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Speaker 2: Hello, Dan Rayfiel, good to be back.

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Speaker 1: We had world title main events in New York City

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Let's begin with the Ring six card the des Own

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pay per views Saturday night at Madison Square Garden. I

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have to say you and I many others believe that

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Shaquur Stevenson was going to win. He dominated. I'm saying

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that over Tea Fimo Lopez from beginning to end. The

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judges agreed, all three of them only gave Lopez one

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round in the fight. So Shakur moves up and makes

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history winning a fourth world title in a fourth different

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weight division already in his career.

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Speaker 2: Very impressive.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that, what are your thoughts as that headlined

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the show at the Garden and there was not a

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lot of drama because Stevenson, I'm saying this was good,

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if not really good, and Lopez did almost nothing throughout

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that main event.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought Chakur was better than just good. I

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thought he was absolutely fucking brilliant. I thought he did

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exactly what he wanted to do. He did how he wanted,

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when he wanted, where he wanted. He wasn't boring, he

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didn't run, He stood in the pocket for virtually the

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whole fight and fought the man and just moved out

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of the way, and you know, hit and don't get hit.

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But he wasn't on the back foot, he wasn't running.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: It was it was a I thought, a tremendous performance.

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I had visions of you know, our boy Winky Right

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and Felix Trinidad. I had visions of Bernard Hopkins and

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Kelly Pavlick. You know, you can just go down the

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line of the brilliant masterpieces in fights between two top guys.

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I mean, it was that type of matchup. You mentioned

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that the judges gave Tiafimo only one round, so all

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three judges scored the fight one nineteen to one oh nine,

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which is how I had it, same, same, same scorecard,

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and the judges all gave Tiafimo the eighth round where

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he landed some nice body shots and maybe like a

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good right hand to the head. And I think the

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feeling I think from a lot of people, including some

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of what with the broadcasters were saying, was that was

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kind of around where maybe like Chakort just kind of

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took his foot off the gas a little bit, kind

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of took a little breather, and that allowed Tamo to

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do a little bit more than he had done. But

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like you, I thought that Sirkar was gonna win this fight.

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eight four, maybe nine to three. I wasn't necessarily expecting

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like a you know, I could have even been a

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shutout possibly for him to win basically every single second

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of every single round and do it in Sometimes you

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can win a fight and the scorecards look a little wide,

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but if you watch eat the individual three minute segment,

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there's competition each round. I didn't even feel like there

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was competition in most of the rounds.

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Speaker 1: They were easy to score for the most Yeah, every

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one of them were easy to score. And that's because

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Stevenson was using that right jab and then working off

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of it with a one to two enough and moving enough,

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and I mean, we're just we're gonna keep it real

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throughout this podcast. Teyo Fimo Lopez, if he had a plan,

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Speaker 2: Sergio mora Is the.

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Speaker 1: Analyst, kept saying, if this fight stays at this distance,

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this is this is gonna get dominated.

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at his pace, at his everything. It was our show

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for a t Fimo, who just was never in the

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fight for even a second, And I thought, you know,

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going into the fight, you think of t Femo some

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people do as a more of a puncher. Now, I've

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been saying steadfastly for the last couple of years that

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while he could definitely crack at one hundred and thirty

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five pounds, absolutely is not a puncher in any way,

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shape or form at a one point forty where his

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against a much lesser level opponent, and he hasn't come

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get knouts because you're fighting the best fighters. But he's

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not even getting knocked downs. He's not really doing any

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real damage. So I didn't see him as a puncher.

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puncher either, it never has been. But I frankly thought

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he looked stronger than t Fmo in this fight. His

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body looked fantastic at one hundred and forty pounds. He

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was an unbelievable condition. Not to say that that t

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Fimo wasn't, but I feel like he was the stronger guy,

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and they made a point where you could hear him

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telling his grandfather Wally Moses, who was his trainer, in

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the corner after round two, I'm the stronger guy. And

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if you're you already know you're the better defensive guy.

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now you're the stronger. I also, that's that's three stritching.

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you know, he did exactly as he pleased. He hit

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him with the jab, was on point. He talked about

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that also after the fight. I thought his jab was spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Landed, won one hundred and fifteen, one hundred and twenty others.

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landed in a fight. And compy Box is tracked.

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Speaker 2: You love my lines.

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Speaker 1: It was like Lionel Richie all night long with that

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right jab and Lopez could not get out of the

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way of it. It was there was a difference in

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Speaker 3: So I feel I think that, unless I'm mistaken, I

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believe that compy Box has literally tracked every single fight

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of teeth of Shakor's entire career. He landed one hundred

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and five jabs forty you know, out of two hundred

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and fifty two. That was the most he ever landed

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in a single fight. He landed overall forty four percent.

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that's that's big numbers. He was fifty percent on his

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power shots. He never let Lopez, you know, he outlanded

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only round he didn't outland him was in that eighth

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round where t Femo got the nod on the judges cards.

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of twelve rounds. I mean, the coffee box don't lie

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in the in this respect, and they take a look

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at now sometimes you know you can make you know,

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it's it doesn't paint the whole picture. I think in

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this fight it absolutely paints the picture. Here's the thing

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about it. Also, not only did she cor win and

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the way he won, I don't feel like he ever

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had to get out of like basically first year, he

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wasn't he wasn't pushed to the wall to do what

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sparring session.

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Speaker 2: All right, he said that.

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Speaker 1: So that brings us back to and you actually commented

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about this on social media and we read it in

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the sub stack the end corner advice from senior, the

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lack thereof or almost like there wasn't a plan. How

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do you not have some kind of a cut man

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to help with the blood flow that started in the

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back half of the fight and he's bleeding the whole

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rest of the fight.

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Speaker 2: This, I mean, let's say it.

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Speaker 1: He had some clownish behavior all throughout fight week. He

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was clowning a bunch and he is that type of

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personality clowning a bunch before this fight. But this was

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a clown show in the corner to not even be

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able to help him or make an adjustment at all.

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So I don't know how much it would to help Dan,

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but you go ahead because you were pointing it out.

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Speaker 3: Also well, first of all, on the one hand, the father,

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if you're gonna cast blame and doubt on his performance

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in the fight again, Chaquara, that's absolutely fair. You gotta

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give him some credit because whatever we think about him,

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his son did win the lightweight championship and unified and

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the Junior welterweight championship with the Dad also, So there's

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been good and there's been Dad, but he's never really

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been on x's and o's guys. He's more of like

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a motivator compared to the specific instructions that Wilely Moses

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was given to Shakur. But this fight in particular was

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as bad as it got in the corner. First of all,

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the cutman is inexcusable. There's a lot of good cutman

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and not to say that, you know, you got to

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take care of the cut, but I didn't feel like

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the Lopez cut was that bad, but it bled down

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his face the whole freaking fight after it got cut

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in like round six or seven, And so that was

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that was absolutely pathetic. That reminded me of the misery

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of Kelly Pablock on the night that he lost the

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middleweight title to Sergio Martinez because his team is too

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fucking cheap to pay a real top notch cutman what

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they need to as an insurance policy, and they hired

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like the local friend who came in with a bunch

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of fucking diapers and tissues or whatever and tried to

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Speaker 1: Shit was that this was not much better in a

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Speaker 2: I mean he just cut.

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Speaker 1: The cut looked worse like in the eleventh and the

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twelfth round. I mean it clearly was a longer cut.

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I don't know that it wouldn't matter to any here's

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Speaker 3: Even if you have a shitty cutman, usually when you

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least for the first few seconds they get hit, the

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cuts closed. He was getting off the stool when the

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belly to go back into the fight and the blood

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was dripping down his face. That was absolutely so that.

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I don't even remember who the cut in his name was,

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but he sucked ask completely and his father. I mean,

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here's what I wrote. I wrote this on my piece

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He's offering no serious instruction. One of the things he

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yelled at his son after the fourth round was you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not profound, isn't it. That's profound In the

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sport of boxing.

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Speaker 3: Right after the seventh round, he's like, give me power.

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Speaker 2: Kind of like, that's kind of like Doctor Frankenstein.

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Speaker 3: It's a love I actually I almost felt bad for

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TeaF you well, because yeah, boxing is an individual sport,

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but you're supposed to get some comfort, some instruction, some motivation,

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some motivation, some support from your team in the corner

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for your one minute.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you nothing again?

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Speaker 1: This has been a clown thing on and off for years,

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and it was there again. I don't know how much

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it would have mattered, because again, Stevenson was that good.

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Speaker 3: That's the point. I it's not that he would have

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won the fight if the corner was better. I feel

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like it actually hurt him. It made it worse than

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Fimo's performance, you cannot have complete and utter ineptitude in

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the corner. I mean it is like absolutely pathetic.

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Speaker 2: All right, Back to the winner.

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Speaker 1: Back to Stevenson, so again, fourth world title in four

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weight divisions.

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Speaker 3: It's more than four world titles because he unified titles

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that one.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, But again he steps up immediately and

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wins the WBO Junior Welterweight tel do you believe.

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Speaker 3: And the lineal title. By the way, he's the man

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who beat the man who beat the man.

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Speaker 1: So he will Will he stay at that division? I

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know Connor Binn got into the ring and they did

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the whole WWE Wrestling promo yelling at each other.

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Speaker 2: What do we think?

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna move back down to lightweight where there

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might be a tasty unification there?

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Speaker 2: You know, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: Here's the problem. You'd like to see him if he could,

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if you want to go back to undred thirty five

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pounds to unify. The problem is there's no fight at

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one thirty five. That would be a big deal for

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him to go into too, unified, because if he is

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the WBC champion, Abdulla Mason is the WBO champion. I

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guarantee you top ranks not making that fight. I've Dulla

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Mason ain't ready for that at this point. He's twenty

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twenty years old or twenty one years old. He just

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won the title. No chance of that happening, in my opinion.

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Raymond Maretaya obviously got the very good performance in in

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the victory against Andy Ckruz last week. That's not I mean,

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there's nothing wrong with that fight, Don't get me wrong.

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I'd be happy to see it, But I mean, I

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wouldn't really give Maurtaia much of a shot in that

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fight at all. But even if I did, Maritaya is

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not bringing money to the table for Shakur the way

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other opponents are. So neither of those are like big

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deal unifications in the scheme of the financial part of

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the business. The WBA title is vacant, so there's not

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even anybody there to unify with at the moment. So

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I just don't see there being that kind of big

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fight at lightweight. Now, at junior welterweight, there's a lot

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more names and activity around it. I mean, you know,

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you got Gary Antlin Roussell, He's has a fight coming up.

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You got Dolphin Smith, who just looked really good in

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a great fight against Sabrill Matias win a title. Richardson

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Hitchins has the IBF title. Uh, he's going to be

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on a on A on a Ring magazine card coming

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up in February. But I don't know how sexy those are,

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so you know they're gonna have to figure it out.

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I mean the Connor Ben thing. I mean, if they

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make the fight, I mean, I'm fine with it, but

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I feel like the Connor Ben people, Eddie Hearn, Keith Connelly,

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Nigel Ben the kid, they want to go after a

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WBC title in that walterweight division, and this would just

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be a non title fight, and frankly, the way that

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your Court looked and as sort of limited as Connor

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may be, I don't think that's a really good fight

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for Connor anyway.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing is it's a let's be honest,

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it's a tall ask to suddenly say to Shakuerz Steveson,

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now go fight a fight at one forty seven if

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that would to be the limit at welterweight. When he

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was just fighting at one thirty five. Uh, and he

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only fought at one thirty five for a couple of fights. Uh,

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And now you're fighting in one seven. That would be

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a lot.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think at the end of his career, sch

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Court probably will be as heavy as one point fifty

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four in my opinion, but I just don't see the

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reason to go to that level. And even if he

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did the the tell if you will why it won't

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happen is because when they were going back and forth

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and jabbering in the in the ring, Shakur was yelling

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it out, giving me the give me the rehydration clause,

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the way you gave to Chris Eubank or the way

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that Chris you Bank gave to Connor Ben, and they're not.

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You know, Connor Ben's not gonna do that, and trust me,

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their team is not stupid enough. Connor Ben's team is

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not stupid enough to give that up. So it's all

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well and good for them to gibber jabber like that,

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but I don't think that's happening. And even Eddie barn

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he came out in his post fight press conference and

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some other comments he made that he his preference would

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be to go for a title. So, like I said

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in the in the immediate aftermath, okay, fine, they're gonna

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gibber jabber and make noise, but I don't see it happen.

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And if it does, great, but I doubt it.

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Speaker 1: All right, So we'll see what happens with Shakour. A

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great performance by him, and I'll I'll say this, give

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me your take, and then we're gonna move on to

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the rest of card. You definitely you have to put

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that guy right now on the pound for poundless how high,

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because he keeps winning impressively, moving up in divisions and

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winning world titles. He's got the skill set and that

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was a great That was a great performance for him.

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That was a near shutout performance in a main event

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where he was the underdog.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he already was probably top ten obviously going

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into the fight.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like based on attrition, meaning the retirement

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of a Crawford for example, which opens up a space

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up top and moves everybody up a little bit. You know,

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he goes into that probably into that top four or

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five or six. I mean, you know, we know the guys,

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the candidates there. You got Alexander Husick and who was

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there at the fight. We have Noya in a way,

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there's Bam Rodriguez, There's Dmitri Bivol, There's maybe Arthur better Beev,

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there's Chaquar Stevenson. Those are the general guys. You know,

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there's other guys who've been rising up, maybe not as high,

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like a David benavidt is that type of fighter. But

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no doubt about it that of course Stevenson just on

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the eye test alone, the defense, the speed, skills, the accomplishment,

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He's one of the best fighters in boxing period. I Mean.

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Anybody that doesn't say that is just not either is

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just a hater or doesn't watch boxing.

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Speaker 1: And doesn't understand what they're watching when they see it.

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All right, let's move to the rest of the car

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Keyshawn Davis does get a final round stoppage. It was

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a battle in his return at junior welterweight non title

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fight with Jamaine Ortiz. He eventually did get the TKO,

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got a knockdown where the referee, Thomas Taylor stopped the

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fight in the middle of the count that Keishawn was

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the better fighter throughout the fight, but eventually got the TKOL. Right,

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what are your thoughts on his return in the win?

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Speaker 3: Well, his twenty twenty five was so utterly disastrous, so

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utterly turbulent and tumultuous that you wondered is he ever

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going to get a shit together? He had had a

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great start to his career. He ended up winning a

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lightweight title and you're like, Okay, this guy's going to

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the moon. As far as he started, because he's drawn

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big crowd at home. He's got a very appealing personality.

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You know, he can talk on the mic. He can

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be introspective and thoughtful. I mean, just a lot of

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things to like about him. You know, a good old

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fashioned American, an Olympic medal winner, had a lot going

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for him, had a good team behind him. You know,

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had been featured on a lot of the ESPN shows,

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so he was getting some good exposure. You know, he

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fought at home and drug crowd. He drew crowd in

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New York City, so there was nothing not to like.

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And then all of a sudden, can't make the weight,

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ends up killing you know, wrecking that show gets stripped

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to the title. You know, gets in the melee underneath

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the arena. You know, him and the brother attacked the

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other guy in the dressing room, he admits later on,

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and then he says he's retired, which was all bullshit.

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He says later that the reason he was overweight he

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was to hit a drinking problem. So hopefully he says

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he's got that under control. I hope he's right. He

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switched up his whole team, He got a new manager

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and James Prince. He split with Brian McIntyre, got a

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new trainer and dedicated himself. And if you know what if,

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if if he can take his twenty twenty five and

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just put that in the rear view mirror for good,

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put it in the trash can. Yeah, exactly, in the

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trash heap, and get back on the straight and narrow.

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Stay off the drink. You know, train your eer end off,

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be a good citizen, don't get in fights in arenas,

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you know, don't act like a dick. Make weight and

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put on the kinds of performances he did against Jamaine Ortiz.

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He's gonna be back as a champion and then I'll

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do this in the future. One hundred and forty pounds

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teems to suit him very well. He showed power. What

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I was impressed by is if you take a look

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at Jamaine Ortiz, who's you know, a good fighter, but

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maybe not an elite fighter. He did in his only

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previous losses, had competitive decisions against Vessely Lomachenko. That was

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in a non title fight, but was competitive as heck

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challenged Tia Fimo for the junior walterweight title. I thought

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he won that fight. It was a horrible fight, but

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I thought he did enough to get the victory. Was

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it turned out a very close decision that went in

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tia Fimo's direction. But if you can come into a

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fight against Kishan knowing that your only losses were to

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the caliber a fighter of a Loma Chenko and a

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tia Fimo Lopez at you know, in a world title fight,

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and also against Loma who was, you know, being a

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champion in multiple divisions. And now Keishon Davis not only

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beats you more decisively than they did, he knocks you

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out in the twelfth round. That's a very big feather

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in the Keishon Davis cap. So we dropped him with

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a great body shot in the eleventh round. He was digging, digging,

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digging like he was looking for you know, gold, twelfth round.

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Dropped in the eleventh round also, well right, right, yeah,

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So what I'm saying is it's like he was in

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there digging, like he was out there panning for gold,

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you know what I mean. He was just kept on

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going to the body. So he drops him in eleventh,

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almost stopped him in that round, and then in the

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twelfth round he had already busted up his face and

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bruised it and opened up a cut on one of

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those big things of swelling, so he's now bleeding. And then,

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like you said, he hits him with not just a body,

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not just a good a good shot to the to

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the head, but put together the punches and you know,

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knocked him down a good combination. And that's all. She wrote.

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Thomas Taylor with the right stoppage. I mean, there was

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only a few seconds left in the fight, but you

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can't let him continue. He probably wouldn't have beat the

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count anyway, So look for a return fight your first division,

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in your first fight in the division, I don't think

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you'd asked for anything more than that performance. I mean,

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he showed that he was in good shape. He seemed

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like he was in good spirits, and you know, I

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hope you can keep a shit together and if.

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Speaker 1: He can, we shall see if he can stay out

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of trouble.

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Speaker 3: Remember face, it's going to be a champ at one

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hundred and for well, you.

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Speaker 1: Say that, but failed marijuana test before he admitted drinking problem.

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We've obviously had problems making weight or whatever. I don't

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think it's a guarantee that he's going to be a

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world champion in anything.

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Speaker 3: Again, I think it's pretty guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, stay tuned, all right, So we moved down the card,

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and again we have not mentioned this. One of the

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world title fights was lost on the weigh in day

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when Carlos Adamis didn't come close to it even he

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didn't even make the way in because he had passed

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out and gone to the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Right, it wasn't even at the way in.

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Speaker 3: No, he never, he never. He was in his weight

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cut and he had I got sick or ill or

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something happened, and you you reported.

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Speaker 1: I saw it on social media that he had been

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as much as one hundred and eighty pounds twenty over

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the middleweight limit in recent weeks, if not the last

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couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: I would told there was in the last fourteen days

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he was one hundred pathetic.

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Speaker 1: That's pathetic and not taking your training seriously and being

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way too overweight. I mean, it surprises me that somebody

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from his team and from whomever didn't sound the alarm

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00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,680
like earlier in the week when he's clearly he we

475
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,079
don't know this alright, I'm speculating, but he clearly had

476
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,480
to be several pounds overweight at least maybe even as

477
00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:27,480
much as ten pounds overweight in fight week if he's

478
00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:31,000
one hundred and eighty two weeks ago. So again, Adamas

479
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,599
loses out on a title fight and on the payday

480
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,720
because he couldn't make weight. So we lost that title fight,

481
00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:41,799
and that moved the Bruce Shoeshoe Carrington title fight up

482
00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:47,000
in significance for the WBC's featherweight championship, and he ends

483
00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:49,480
up getting a knockout with Carlos Castro, but he had

484
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,200
some problems earlier in the fight before this put it away.

485
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a good fight. This was a good

486
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,799
test for Shoeshoe Carrington. I've made the point in many

487
00:20:57,799 --> 00:21:00,240
times that I'm a fan of Carrington's. He's got a

488
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,000
fun fighting style, he's obviously very talented, he's got a

489
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,839
great personality. But he had never beaten anybody. So I'm like,

490
00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:07,440
why are we giving this guy? Why are we making

491
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,160
a you know, at one point top Rang was trying

492
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,400
to link him to an inn aaight fighter. I'm like,

493
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,640
what are you doing. I mean, that's, first of all, anyway,

494
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,279
it's not even a featherweight at this point. And second

495
00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:16,519
of all, you know, the guy in Carrington then beat

496
00:21:16,519 --> 00:21:18,400
a soul and the one time he even took like

497
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,759
a half step up against Sagawa, that was the fight

498
00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:22,279
we end up getting, Like I forget think it was

499
00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:24,519
a split decision or majority decision. A lot of people

500
00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:27,279
thought he lost that fight, so you know, he hadn't

501
00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:30,240
fought anybody, now, okay, at least Castro, and he gets

502
00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:33,480
an interim title, which was ridiculous against a nobody. But

503
00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:36,839
I was glad that when Fulton vacated the title, they

504
00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:40,119
didn't automatically just elevate Carrington. They made him fight for

505
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,559
the vacant title, which is good for the sport, but

506
00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:44,279
it's also good for the fighter that wins because you

507
00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:46,319
don't go in as an interim and then all of

508
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,960
a sudden you're elevated, and then when you win, they

509
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,279
don't announce you as the new champion, which is one

510
00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:52,559
of the biggest moments of a boxer's career. So they

511
00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:54,519
match him up. Who was this was? The next guy

512
00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:57,519
in line was Carlos Castro was a pretty good fighter

513
00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:01,599
who had took a loss to Fulton by split decision

514
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,359
that a lot of people thought he won. He scored

515
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,279
a knockdown in that fight. He had been in the

516
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,559
ring with some other good opponents in the past. Anyway,

517
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,839
that was a good matchup. So it was a very

518
00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:14,440
big step up in my opinion, uh for Carrington to take.

519
00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:17,319
And as you mentioned, he was doing fairly well in

520
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,319
the first three rounds, he was clearly winning the fight.

521
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,279
In the fourth round, he got absolutely rocked to his

522
00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:23,519
boots by a right hand. Thought, maybe he's gonna get

523
00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:26,200
knocked down. Now it's time to like, see how is

524
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,640
he going to react, how is the how is he

525
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,839
gonna respond? Is he gonna fold up? Or is he

526
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,680
gonna suck it up? And and and get through the situation?

527
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,759
And you know what took credit to him. He got

528
00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:37,400
through the situation. He got a shit together. He said

529
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,240
he'd never been buzzed or rock like that before in

530
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,920
a fight in his whole life. And he did what

531
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,079
he had to do to survive. And there was still

532
00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:45,519
a lot of time left in the round when that happened.

533
00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:47,119
It was probably about you at least a minute and

534
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,559
a half or so left in the round. Got through

535
00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:51,640
the round and then shook it off and came back

536
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,920
and pretty much dominated the rest of the fight. And

537
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,079
then in the ninth round scored. You know, a sensational knockout,

538
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,599
and that's the way you win a world title, overcoming

539
00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:02,119
a little bit of a diversity as Corni spectacular knockout

540
00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:04,359
in front of a big crowd and instead of you

541
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,759
know you already have being elevated bullshit. Uh, the ring

542
00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:11,160
announcer says, and the new WBC featherweight Champ of the world.

543
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,559
And that was a great moment. And you know he

544
00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:16,160
then you know, made his comments afterwards and now he's

545
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,000
calling out everybody. I have no doubt he'll take. The

546
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,279
fights have offered Raphael Espinoza, who's in the same promotional

547
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:24,119
company with Top Rank, Angelo Leo, who Top Rank has

548
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,480
some involvement with, and Nick Ball who's got a fight

549
00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:30,119
coming up next week, who's with Frank Warren. Any of

550
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,200
those matchups will be intriguing in my opinion, for.

551
00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: He's a talker and he got the knockout. He's a

552
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,759
New York guy, so there's some.

553
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: Know they made the point, I guess. I mean, I

554
00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:41,400
never did my own research on this, but they were

555
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,640
saying that he's the first ever fighter from Brooklyn to

556
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,480
win a world title. In that iteration of the Garden

557
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:51,559
because there's been a few, you know, you'd think, I mean,

558
00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:53,400
there's been guys who've defended titles.

559
00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: Win a title, win the specific specifics is to win

560
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,759
a title in this version of the Garden in New

561
00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:01,039
York or News.

562
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: Also, he's also the latest fighter from a very storied

563
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,400
area of Brooklyn, Brownsville that's produced a number of world

564
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:13,880
champions Mike Tyson, Riddick Bow, Shannon Briggs, Daniel Jacobs, others

565
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,920
as well. Danny j I said Danny Jacobs. Also, you know,

566
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,359
there's there's been others that have come along in that line.

567
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,079
That's a pretty good lineage to follow if you can

568
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,839
come from a place like that, and you know, you've

569
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:27,119
got ye Zab Judah's another one that came from that

570
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,759
area that won a world tide. I mean, there's been

571
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:30,599
a bunch of guys over the years. So he's the

572
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,880
next to mine. And he's a really fun fighter to

573
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,519
watch and got a great personality. And I hope he

574
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:37,920
stays around and and does well for a long time

575
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,680
because guys like that are good for boxing. You know,

576
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,039
he may not have fought anybody going into the Cashow fight,

577
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,119
but it wasn't because he wasn't willing to do so.

578
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,519
He's willing to fight the best guys.

579
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,559
Speaker 1: And he got to win there, and we should see

580
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:52,359
him again, we would think fairly soon here in twenty

581
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,839
twenty six. Let's be active. We like activity. All right, Well,

582
00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:59,319
we'll go over the rest of the undercard. We mentioned

583
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,799
Austin amer Williams fall the last minute replacement and won

584
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:07,400
by decision. But I don't know you and I've never

585
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,519
talked about this. I don't know that I have ever

586
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,599
seen in something that wasn't a spoof a fighter lose

587
00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:17,400
his hair piece in a fight, like Jirell Big Baby

588
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:19,240
Miller did in the.

589
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:20,799
Speaker 2: Fight with.

590
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: Kingsley Ibe.

591
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: So give me more because it it became a social

592
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,680
media sensation.

593
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 3: This was ridiculous.

594
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: I saw it everywhere where.

595
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,799
Speaker 1: He had like the convertible hair piece flapping, and then

596
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:36,920
they pulled it off and then the hair piece they

597
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,799
literally had it at ringside in its own seat and

598
00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:41,359
put photos on social media.

599
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: Do you know who actually caught it? Yeah, go ahead,

600
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,400
give me the d the WBO heavyweight.

601
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: Yes, because he's the one that tweeted the photo that

602
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,920
it was in the chair beside him.

603
00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: Like, does anybody want to come to.

604
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: See Jerald Miller. First of all, you know, there's lots

605
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,559
of puns we could take. I wrote that he had

606
00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,400
a hairy moment against exactly it was a hair raising victory.

607
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,240
We go on down the line, uh, I mean the

608
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,720
fight itself, like overall was like just the the you know,

609
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:10,720
an okay heavyweight fight. Nothing we would be talking about

610
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,319
for days at a time. This will people be watching

611
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:14,799
this clip for a long time, you know if they

612
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,759
remember when we were kids married George Michaels Sports Machine, Yes,

613
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:18,519
where you'd see.

614
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: Like Sunday Night with all the highlights right in the

615
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,079
in the nineties and the two thousands.

616
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,799
Speaker 3: Or when sports Hutter was a watchable program and they

617
00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:27,880
would do like the plays of the week. This, this

618
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000
clip of the hair flapping up and down would absolutely

619
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,119
be on all those shows, no doubt about it. This

620
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,839
is before we had such things as Instagram and TikTok

621
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,839
and Twitter.

622
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,839
Speaker 1: It makes me harken back to Christmas vacation and ancle

623
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,920
Los sent his herpyece and it catches on fire and

624
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,319
they're trying to put the fire out and all of.

625
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:47,519
Speaker 3: That with the this was just money shoah. So in

626
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:49,599
the second round. There was probably like, I don't know,

627
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,799
thirty seconds left in the round and he gets hit

628
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,960
with a with a shot and you look and you

629
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,079
see like his hair moves, but okay, you're not really

630
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,880
You're like, what's that about? And then he gets hit

631
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,240
with other shot and now it moves even more. And

632
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,079
then if he's getting hit with a couple more shots

633
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:05,839
and it flips up, like you said, like a convertible.

634
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:08,880
He got Todd Grisham, who's doing the commentary, like what

635
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,079
is going on? Like he was, he was speaking for

636
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,720
everybody like I can't believe what I'm saying, not because

637
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,559
it was a great moment in the fight, because it

638
00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:18,920
was just so bizarre and so strange. And then the

639
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,240
bell rang and before the the one minute rest period

640
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,160
was over. While the ringing, while the crowd's going crazy

641
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,480
because they saw it. It's on the big screens and

642
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:32,119
the commentators talking about it. Uh, Jerald Miller gets up

643
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,400
off the stool before the next round starts, and he

644
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:36,559
you know, he ripped off. You know, it's just still

645
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,880
taped down or like on the back, it was still like.

646
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:40,759
Speaker 2: Whatever adhesive or whatever.

647
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 3: He pulls that ship right off and Nanny threw it

648
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:43,680
into the crowd and.

649
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: The which by which, by the way, there are nerve endings,

650
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,640
and that probably had to hurt a little bit and

651
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,160
wake you up even more if you were a little uh.

652
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's so silly as anything we've seen.

653
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,799
Speaker 3: He tells the story. I don't know if I believe

654
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,400
this or not, but he says, a couple of days

655
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,400
before the fight, he was visiting his mother, who I

656
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,480
guess he lives in Brooklyn. He's from Brooklyn. I think

657
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:04,319
he lives in Florida. He's visiting his mother. He goes

658
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,440
to like take a shower. He's he must have stayed

659
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,039
over or whatever he was doing, and he accidentally, instead

660
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:12,119
of shampoo, used like ammonia or some kind of bleach

661
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,319
and it made his hair fall out. So when the

662
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:16,000
hair fell out, he had his manager get him a

663
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,759
you know, he said, go get me one of those

664
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:18,400
means and he.

665
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: They they adhesive or whatever are on his head. Oh

666
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,079
my god. All right.

667
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,079
Speaker 1: So, the only thing that I'm going to say, and

668
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,880
I'm trying to say it with a straight voice after

669
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,240
this hair raising experience, Rayphael, is there any relevance for

670
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,279
Jarell Big Baby Miller in the heavyweight division. He got

671
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:41,440
a split decision. Or is this just a clown show

672
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,799
at this point for things like this and failed drug

673
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:44,960
tests and whatever else.

674
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean he is, he is clown show ish. But

675
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,039
here's the reality of the business. He's a heavyweight who's

676
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:54,000
twenty seven one two twenty two knockouts. He has a

677
00:28:54,000 --> 00:29:01,000
good chin, he has a personality, he has ah, he's

678
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,960
a known quantity. You know, some is for good, some

679
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:04,720
is for bad. But if you follow boxing and you

680
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:06,759
follow heavyweights, at this point, I would think you know

681
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:10,119
who Jeral Miller is. So he is a good b

682
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:13,519
side for anybody coming up. He's made some good fights.

683
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:15,440
You know, the fight, not this fight in particular, but

684
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,480
the previous fight is he'd been coming off like a

685
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:20,720
seventeen month layoff. Unfortunately for him. His last fight had

686
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,720
been a very good fight that he fought against Andy

687
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,839
Ruiz in the in the in the Read season card.

688
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,759
That was the one that was in August of twenty

689
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:32,440
twenty four, headlined by Terrence Crawford. That was a good fight.

690
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,799
It was a draw. So he'll always get work because

691
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,319
he's got a name, and he's got a good record

692
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:39,680
and he's durable and he'll you know, he'll come to fight.

693
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,920
Can he become the heavyweight champion? I mean at this point,

694
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,279
with all the things that have gone on, and he's

695
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,599
thirty seven years old. At this point, it's a lot

696
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:50,759
of water under that bridge, I mean above that opportunity.

697
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:54,359
When he tested positive and blew the fight against Anthony Joshua.

698
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:57,599
And you know, the crazy thing is he's fought. He's

699
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,119
from Brooklyn, and that fight between him and Joshua was

700
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,680
supposed to be at Madison Square Garden and obviously he

701
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,240
fell out and Ruiz filled in and got the upset

702
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,359
and that was history. He's never fought at Madison Square Guarden.

703
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,640
No one tell the fight the other night, so that

704
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,079
was a first rihim. And but remember he was fighting

705
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,079
Kings of the Ibay, who's not exactly a world beater,

706
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,599
and you know, he struggled to get the victory in

707
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:18,440
my opinion.

708
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,559
Speaker 1: All right, and as I mentioned again, Austin Amil Williams

709
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,680
got the win. And the fighter that Turkey al Chic

710
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,039
has been propping up is Ziad al al my youth.

711
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,240
He was actually beaten by Kevin Castillo right also on

712
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:34,720
this card.

713
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:36,279
Speaker 2: Just to a quick recap of that.

714
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,839
Speaker 3: Well quickly. I mean, I'm a youth like he looked

715
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,640
good the first round he scored a knockdown against Castillo.

716
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,880
I mean, Castillo was just a you know, a regular

717
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,880
type opponent, you know, nothing spectacular, was five to two

718
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,599
and one coming into the fight, no knockouts in his victories,

719
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,400
and you're like, Okay, this guy who was not known

720
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,319
for having a big punch. I mean, he came into

721
00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:00,599
the fight Almanouf as seven oh and one with only

722
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,839
one knockout, and so when you see him drop the

723
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,319
guy in the first round, You're like, oh, wow, okay,

724
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,279
so maybe he's Allo something and he's gonna take care

725
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,680
of business. And then he pretty much lost every round

726
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,079
the rest of the fight, or most of the rounds

727
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:11,440
the rest of the fight. And he was an eight rounder,

728
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:14,039
and the judges did a good job. They gave Becausetio

729
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:16,960
the victory. He deserved seventy eight to seventy three and

730
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,440
seventy seven to seventy four in the other two squorecards.

731
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,200
So you know, I'm not sure where he's going from here.

732
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,359
He's got a lot I mean, I'm though Eddie Futch

733
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,000
or Robert Garcia or Teddy Allis or you know, I'm

734
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,640
no trainer, you know whatever, But you watch the guy

735
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,400
fight for like a minute, and you can tell there's

736
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,680
a lot of defense, of a lot of technical deficiencies

737
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:37,240
that he does that are just gonna that need to

738
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:39,200
change if he's gonna go anywhere. I mean, he has

739
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,599
been brought along by read season folks in Turkey. They're looking,

740
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:45,240
of course, you know, for them, they would take great

741
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,839
pride if they can find, you know, a top fighter

742
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,759
or a world champion from Saudi Arabia. I don't think

743
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,240
Almanoff is that guy. There may be somebody else in

744
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,519
the future, but I don't think he's the one.

745
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on in our recap mode to

746
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:04,119
Sam Puerto Rico and the Xander Zaiaz Unified title fight

747
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,720
at one fifty four. That was the top rank main

748
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:10,680
event with a Boss Barreu. Zia's end up ended up

749
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,599
getting a split decision victory.

750
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,839
Speaker 2: More on that in a moment.

751
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: He was impressive throughout this fight, Obviously, home crowd behind

752
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:24,079
him and seemed to boy him and inspire him, especially

753
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:26,559
when Beru had a pretty good round late in the

754
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,200
fight and then zaias came on as the as the

755
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,920
final championship rounds ten, eleven, and twelve took place. That's

756
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,079
at least my analysis of it. What did you think

757
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:37,079
as he ultimately gets to win and is now the

758
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,160
WBO and WBA one hundred and fifty four pound champion.

759
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: I thought this was a really good fight, Number one good,

760
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:46,359
you know, entertaining. I mean, if you took the time

761
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,119
to watch it, you didn't walk away disappointed. I sort

762
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:51,039
of figured going in this would be an entertaining fight.

763
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,759
I like the sportsmanship and the class between Xander Zyaz

764
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,079
and a Boss Barut. I mean, as detailed in the

765
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,240
pre fight, they've known each other for years. They had

766
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,880
sparred probably, you know, eighty to one hundred rounds together.

767
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,160
I woul't necessarily say they're good friends, but they certainly

768
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,640
have tremendous respect for each other. But their competitors, and

769
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,680
obviously it was a big deal. They they both deserve

770
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:14,480
credit for in their first defense, they didn't go the

771
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,920
easy route and go for some soft touch. Xander Zias

772
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,279
easily could have just taken whoever and gone home to

773
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,880
Puerto Rico, but he wanted to bring his fans, you know,

774
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,920
a quality fight. You know, he's from Puerto Rico, but

775
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,799
he lives in Florida, but he hasn't fought in Puerto

776
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:29,039
Rico for you know, got to go back to as

777
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:31,160
very very early in his career, you know, when he

778
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,400
wasn't even a main event guy. So he figured his

779
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,079
you know, his thing he always talked about was when

780
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:38,319
I become a champion, I want to bring home a

781
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:40,559
real fight to my people. So instead of taking a

782
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:43,799
soft he brought home another champion. You know, a guy

783
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,240
that was you know who's coming off a great victory

784
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,000
in a super exciting fight against Teez that took place

785
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,920
only about a month apart from when Xander won his title.

786
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,119
Xander won his title, I want to say, in July,

787
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,079
and Barreu won the interim title in August and then

788
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,240
was elevated when offered officially went to super middleweight for

789
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:04,519
the Canelo fight. So these were two guys who were

790
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,160
putting on the line against a real opponent in their

791
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,039
first defense, barw having the stones to go to the

792
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:12,880
lions Den, and they produced a really good fight. Now

793
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,400
we talked about the so he wins the fight, and

794
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:17,519
like you said, there were some very good moments light

795
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:21,280
in the fight, as the commentators were talking about Zanner.

796
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,559
In my opinion, I think anybody watching he did not

797
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,400
have to go in there and lay ball to the

798
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,239
wall in the twelfth round because he was definitely winning

799
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,199
the fight. But he did, and it made it exciting,

800
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,880
and he said, you know, that's the way champions fight,

801
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,000
So I can appreciate where he's coming from. He wanted

802
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,280
to give the fans a show and always that.

803
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: Always make sure because we go to the scorecards and

804
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,079
we have an eight to four for Barrew, which not

805
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,119
on this planet, that island of Puerto Rico any other continent.

806
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: Did he win eight rounds of the fight the.

807
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 3: Way the judges had it, where two judges had it

808
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,000
one sixteen to one twelve, which is eight to four

809
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:57,280
in favor of Xander's eyes. And as you mentioned, the

810
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,519
third judge and we will name checking her Oliver Bryan,

811
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,719
who stinks out loud, obviously they gave he gave the

812
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,440
score as you mentioned, one sixteen to one to twelve

813
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,519
in favor of Brew. Now, Buru was competitive and he

814
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,280
probably legitimately won four rounds in the fight, but he

815
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,320
didn't win eight rounds in the fight. Under no possible

816
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,760
circumstances did he win eight rounds in the fight. So

817
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,360
that is just I mean, it's we sound like a

818
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,719
broken fucking record sometimes. I mean, we always talk about

819
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,960
the range of acceptable scores. If you want to tell

820
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,480
me that you thought that it was seven to five

821
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,199
in favor of uh xanders Ayas, or you want to

822
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,239
tell me he was eight to four in favor of Xandersias,

823
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,400
that those are the two probably the right scores, you know,

824
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,719
if you really really really wanted to bend over backwards

825
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,679
because you maybe give you know, maybe make it for

826
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,920
Xander for nine to three, you know where because Breuw

827
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,719
was one of some of those rounds, you know, like

828
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,679
you know, I figured like six, seven, eight nine, like

829
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,440
in there he was doing okay. So the way I

830
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:51,960
look at us like this, don't ever forget your boy,

831
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:53,599
Oliver Brian.

832
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: I go, I go a step beyond.

833
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: At at least the right guy won the fight. I

834
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:57,280
got you.

835
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,679
Speaker 1: I've said this for years. You've got to start firing

836
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,000
these people. You're never going to work another fight again

837
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,960
if you keep giving incompetence scorecards in championship for at

838
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:11,440
least at the championship level, you got to start firing him.

839
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:16,280
You gotta hold him accountable, whether it's bad referee, bad judge, whatever.

840
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,519
Otherwise this just continues to go on. There's no message.

841
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:22,559
Since there's no deterrent, there's no I can't argue. But

842
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,199
if I'm not being what if I'm not on on

843
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,960
point here? That was just bad but again the right

844
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:28,639
good win.

845
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: Yes.

846
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: The thing that I also liked about Xander is that

847
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,519
even when he had that rocky moment in the ninth round,

848
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,719
I mean not not not Zius, when he landed on

849
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,559
brew in the ninth round and he you know, he

850
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,360
shook him up pretty good, you know, Brudy not fulled up.

851
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,840
I mean, he's got a good shin. The dude was

852
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,599
there to compete the same way. You know, he came

853
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:48,519
into the Tas fight as an unknown guy for the

854
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:51,760
most part, but that doesn't mean that they can't fight.

855
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,800
And he was a good amateur and uh, you know, okay,

856
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,639
so he didn Pete Andersias, but he should definitely have

857
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,000
his name mentioned still among the top ten guys in

858
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,840
the one hundred and fifty four pound division, which is

859
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,719
a pretty good feat around these days because the one

860
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,320
to fifty four weight class you know, too many people.

861
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,760
Is the best division of boxing as far as the

862
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,920
depth coast, and it'll be very interesting is what they

863
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,400
can get for Xander's eyas going forward in that in

864
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,519
that very loaded division with a lot of you know,

865
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,599
good good champions and good good contenders as well. I

866
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:23,079
mean he wanted Fondor. Remember he signed an agreed to

867
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,360
the Fundora fight. Fandora is the one that dealt on him.

868
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,519
That's why he ended up getting the vacant title fight.

869
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:30,559
And we'll talk about the other guy that won a

870
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:31,599
title in that division also.

871
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,079
Speaker 2: We're about to talk about that next too.

872
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:34,519
Speaker 3: But now Sanders got two of the belts in the

873
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:35,519
hottest division of boxing.

874
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: That's right. There's some interesting names in the.

875
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 3: But there's also Virgil of Artis and Boots Ennis and

876
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:41,840
you know other good fighters in the weight class.

877
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: All right, So that moves us then to earlier in

878
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,400
the day, our time in Newcastle, England, our time in

879
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,719
the United States, and that is the Josh Kelly upset

880
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,119
of Bakram rtaz Alayev to win the IBF version of

881
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:56,760
the one hundred and fifty four pound title.

882
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: So Kelly gets the win, and.

883
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,119
Speaker 1: I fought again and I did not see the full fight,

884
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:05,519
but I thought in seeing the highlights, he definitely controlled

885
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,920
the action and took obviously martaz Elayev's best punches, something

886
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:10,559
that Tim.

887
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,639
Speaker 2: Zou was not able to do.

888
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,039
Speaker 1: Obviously when we last saw the Russian score that emphatic

889
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,119
third round knockout in October of twenty twenty four. All right,

890
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:22,039
I'll just put it to you like this, How surprised

891
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,760
were you that Bachram couldn't get to him, couldn't knock

892
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,519
him out and uh and instead gets beaten by decision

893
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,519
and an upset by Josh Kelly to become the new champ. Yeah.

894
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, A lot of people might look at

895
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,679
it and say, okay, like Kelly won a majority decision

896
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,079
in his hometown, it must have been home cooking. Well,

897
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:39,960
if you watch the fight, it really wasn't like the

898
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,960
majority decision. Wherever the fight was, it could have been

899
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,039
in Russia, it could have been in his hometown. Wherever

900
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,079
it was, that was that was good scoring. I can't

901
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:48,840
I can't quarrel with it. One judge had it one

902
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,559
thirteen to one thirteen, which very very much was reasonable,

903
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,679
and the other judges had it one fifteen to one

904
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,280
eleven and one fourteen to one thirteen. We're gonna get

905
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,880
that at one fourteen to one thirteen card in a

906
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,519
minute by my boy Steve Gray.

907
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,679
Speaker 2: We're gonna get there in the Yeah, here we go again.

908
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,039
Speaker 3: But as far as the fight itself goes, look, martaz

909
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:08,320
Lav hadn't fought for fifteen months, but it didn't seem

910
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,199
like he was like out of sorts or not sharp

911
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,719
or anything like that. You know, he just I always

912
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,239
look at it like this, like I think because boxers

913
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,199
only fight once twice a year, that we are hyper

914
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,639
sensitive to how they perform in those fights. If they

915
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,440
were fighting more often, it might be not quite as much.

916
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:27,679
Like you know, if you watch like the Major League Baseball,

917
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,360
they play every day. So if there's a game that

918
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,920
goes one way on Tuesday, he forgot about it by

919
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,199
Wednesday or Thursday because they're playing another game, in another game,

920
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,920
in another game. In boxing, though, you get so caught up

921
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,440
in it. So the most recent memory of martaz Leav

922
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:43,840
was the absolute devastation of tim Zo. So I believe

923
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,519
in some people's minds they made him out to be

924
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,079
like this beast that he really isn't. He had a

925
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:49,880
great night that night. You can't take it away from him.

926
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:53,079
But I think he's not maybe as great as he

927
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:56,639
looked against Zoo, and he's probably not what he was

928
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,519
when we saw, you know, the deficiencies against Josh Kelly.

929
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:03,320
He's good fighter and but not a world beater. Uh.

930
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,400
And in this fight Josh Kelly showed when I've told

931
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,079
you about Josh Kelly where I have been completely unimpressed,

932
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:11,400
even all the hype he had coming out of the Olympics,

933
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,840
and fought a bunch of nobody's and even against nobody

934
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,079
sometimes didn't look that good. But you can't take away

935
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:18,840
from the fact he got the opportunity when a lot

936
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,119
of guys didn't want to fight matazze alive. The reason

937
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,239
he got the shot is because Lubin, you know, dragged

938
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,840
it out to the Day of the Poor Person and

939
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,039
then pulled out and went to fight Virgil Artis instead.

940
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,760
And so good Kelly gets to fight, and he he

941
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,960
he lived up to the hype that.

942
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: We took advantage of the opportunity.

943
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So you got to give him credit. Uh, he

944
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:38,480
did it? Surprise?

945
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: Did it surprise that that martaz Eliev could not get

946
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,960
to him, could not hurt him, knock him down, maybe

947
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,800
stop it, man, But I'm not talking about the dramatic

948
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,840
moments at the end.

949
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 3: No, it didn't surprise me because I don't view Martaze

950
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,320
Aliab as the puncher that he looked like against Tim Zoo.

951
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,039
And I say that because I also watched him fight

952
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:56,760
like Jack Colka, you said.

953
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: It in advance of the fight too, that maybe the

954
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,159
Zoo night was an aberration or he caught Zoo, And

955
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:03,880
it doesn't necessarily mean that Martaze Alive is going to

956
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,800
be the conquering hero.

957
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,679
Speaker 3: So there was there was both guys scored knockdowns. So

958
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,199
Maurtazz Alive was down in the fourth round. That was

959
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,159
a flash knockdown. He touched the glove down, didn't think

960
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:15,800
he was hurt.

961
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: And caught him coming in. Kelly with a left hand

962
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,519
knocked him off balance. But it's still clearly clearly a

963
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,800
knockdown because he put his glove down to keep from

964
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,679
going down on his butt.

965
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: Clearly.

966
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:29,119
Speaker 3: Now fast forward to the ninth round and he gets

967
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,280
a knockdown against Josh Kelly, but this was a hard knockdown.

968
00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:34,480
This was a knockdown where Kelly spoke about in his

969
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:36,119
interview afterwards, and he wasn't sure he was gonna be

970
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,280
able to continue. He said he was lifted by the crowd,

971
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,800
which was his hometown crowd. Without without you guys, I

972
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,159
don't know if I would have been able to get up.

973
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:44,320
So he shot a lot of balls to finish that,

974
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:46,159
and there was still some time left in the round

975
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:48,559
and he was able to get through the crisis and

976
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:50,480
and go on, uh you know, for the for the

977
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:53,280
championship Browns uh uh you know, ten eleven and twelve

978
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:57,320
and and pull out a close fight. I mean, it's

979
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,800
not going to go down as a classic. There was

980
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,960
a lot of movement, a lot of whole but he

981
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,760
got the job done. That's the bottom line. I mean,

982
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,119
you know, in that situation, you know, it's the old saying,

983
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,920
you know, win today, look good tomorrow. That the most

984
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,039
important thing was win the title, and he did that.

985
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,480
And now let's get to the Steve grey cart all right.

986
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,679
Speaker 1: So let's get to that, which again on the math,

987
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,159
each fighter had a knockdown, so that kind.

988
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: Of keeps it even.

989
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: But the score is going to be a little wonky

990
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,440
when each fighter has lost a point in the fight.

991
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: But then it got wonkier go ahead.

992
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: I've been watching boxing. I've been watching boxing since about

993
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,239
seven eight years old. Okay, I'm fifty five years old.

994
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,280
I've been covering boxing for over twenty six years at

995
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:44,480
this point. I've seen crazy shit, I've seen expected things whatever.

996
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,320
I've covered a ton of fights at ringside, from the

997
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,519
biggest fights in the world to club shows, and I

998
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:55,000
can say with I think certainty. I mean I maybe

999
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,119
if somebody could find an example, I'd be willing to

1000
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,360
tell you I am wrong. I have never, in my life,

1001
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,280
as a fan, just watching fights or as a journalist

1002
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,239
covering fights, seen a refer a judge rather in an

1003
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:13,239
in any fight, much less a close world championship fight

1004
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,360
that is so significant, score the twelfth round of about

1005
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,159
ten ten, and that ten ten round costs Mataza a draw,

1006
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,760
which means he would have kept the title, and it

1007
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,760
changes the entire course of his life in his career,

1008
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,280
and Josh Kelly's life in his career and boxing as

1009
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,480
we know it today. So if he scores that fight

1010
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,400
and he gives Murtaz for.

1011
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,679
Speaker 1: The twelfth round, if he scores it for one of them,

1012
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,960
yeah yeah, but he gives.

1013
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,599
Speaker 3: It to Martaza if he ends up getting a draw

1014
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:44,000
in the fight.

1015
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,559
Speaker 1: Well, I long believe, while we're just on the soapbox,

1016
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:49,920
that in world championship fights, you should never be allowed

1017
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,000
to score around ten ten.

1018
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: Period. When you say that he can't win, totally agree.

1019
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:57,800
You're hired to do that. Anybody can score around ten

1020
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,599
to ten. You're supposed to be the expert. You're supposed

1021
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,880
to be the one that can split the hairs when

1022
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,320
it's that close. And yes, at times like I might

1023
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,880
score a ten town round on my own scorecards which

1024
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,360
are not official obviously, once or twice a year, because

1025
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,599
there's a first round where they combined to throw like

1026
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:16,400
three punches and nothing lands, and you know that's an

1027
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,639
even round. But even rounds should be extremely rare, and

1028
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,559
as you said, should never happen in the twelfth round

1029
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:24,679
of a world championship fight. So in the last time

1030
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,880
that the ABC, the Association of Boxing Commissions went over

1031
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,679
their handbook, their rule book, or made their recommendation and

1032
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,599
change some of their language. Now, obviously you know he

1033
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:35,440
works with the British Boxing Board of Control. They are

1034
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,559
not overseen by the Association of Boxing Commissions was here

1035
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,760
in the United States, but one of the things they

1036
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,559
added into their rules and rigs was and I forget

1037
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,679
the exact language, but they basically change it to like,

1038
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,199
don't score even rounds now. I mean, it's not I'm

1039
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:54,880
overstating that they wrote, but they strongly encourage their members

1040
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,679
to pick a winner in the round. And I would say,

1041
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,840
by extrapolation, in the twelfth around him a fucking world

1042
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,119
title fight, you don't fucking round.

1043
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: Pick a winner.

1044
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:08,559
Speaker 1: Agreed, Agreed, all right, So bad scoring is not just

1045
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,639
exclusive to the United States or this case in Puerto Rico,

1046
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:17,599
but it's also been there and questionable judging and questionable referreing.

1047
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:21,199
All right, all things aside, Kelly does get the victory,

1048
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,559
and so later in the night we saw Jiron Innis

1049
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:28,000
in New York sitting ringside when Kelly won the fight.

1050
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:31,400
Earlier in the day, I'm going, there's your possible Jiron

1051
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:34,559
Innis fight for the IBF belt.

1052
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: What do I know at.

1053
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,599
Speaker 1: One fifty four, if they can't make the Ortiz thing happen,

1054
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,280
there's the possibility for Jiron Nis at junior middleweight to

1055
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,239
go get a world title.

1056
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: Even if that I would be a little surprised if

1057
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,800
they would serve up Josh called a Bootsennis in the

1058
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,400
next fight, because he can draw a big crowd and

1059
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,840
make some real money fighting at home against you know,

1060
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,199
another good contender, but not somebody on the level of

1061
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,719
a boot Tennis, So uh, you know, he's not a

1062
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,760
mandatory at this point. So I just I'm skeptical that

1063
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,840
it will happen. I mean, they're both with Mattrooms, so

1064
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,920
it's not out of the realm of possibility. But I

1065
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,719
feel like they still have hope to make the Virginal

1066
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,800
Ortis fight, even though as I said to you before,

1067
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:12,840
it most certainly will not be on that March twenty

1068
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,079
eight date that had been set aside. But we're gonna

1069
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:16,960
have some more clarity about that. I think this week

1070
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:20,360
we'll see what happened. Now Oscar de la Hoya and

1071
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,679
Golden Boy they did finally a counter lawsuit against Rick Margian,

1072
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:27,800
who was the manager of Virginal Artis, that they claim

1073
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,800
as the one that was screwing up the deal, not them.

1074
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,119
But we'll let the lawyers and the courts figure that out.

1075
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,039
But that could potentially, you know, side, make things sideways

1076
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,280
going forward. But I feel like there'll be some type

1077
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:40,880
of resolution.

1078
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: They said on the Desonne broadcast that that's what they expected.

1079
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,639
They were talking about it and said that they expected

1080
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,400
that there would be some kind of at least immediate

1081
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,039
ruling on can Virgil Ortiz go accept the Ennis deal

1082
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,159
if he wants it? Because again, we're not going to

1083
00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:59,639
go over all of it. But one of the main

1084
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:03,079
point is they wrote a letter or tease his side

1085
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:05,760
to Golden Boys saying we don't have a promotional deal

1086
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,519
with you anymore because the deal expired when you didn't

1087
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:11,119
renew with his own right.

1088
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: So but oscars have to do besides just finding a

1089
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:15,400
lawsuit against Bridge if they want to, if they want

1090
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,760
to get a court to uphold their promotional contract, they're

1091
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,360
gonna have to file to get an injunction against them, which.

1092
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: I and I'm surprised that that the other side doesn't

1093
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,360
get the injunction that says we're free, we're free to negotiating.

1094
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: But they're not going to go get an injunction because

1095
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,000
they're gonna wait till the other side doesn't. Why would

1096
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,519
they do that and risk it. They don't have the

1097
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:35,920
the they feel like they can do go do what

1098
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,000
they want to do. So but here's the point though,

1099
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,079
and I say this that, from the experience of having

1100
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,880
covered a number of these types of suits, even if

1101
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,719
they if Oscar and Golden Boy try to get an injunction, again,

1102
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,800
I'm not saying that it's definitely gonna be this way,

1103
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,920
but this is the way that it generally happens. The

1104
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,519
court is not inclined to uphold or are to to

1105
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,760
to not allow somebody to pursue their living. So what

1106
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,519
Golden Boy probably could the best case scenario for them

1107
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:08,480
would be is if they did seek an injunction, would

1108
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:10,280
be that the judge would say, no, no, no, I'm not

1109
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,960
going to enjoin the fighter from making a living. But

1110
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:15,599
what I will do is, pending the outcome of this

1111
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,480
case as it winds its way through the courts, is

1112
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:21,159
we will take X number of dollars or X number

1113
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,039
of percentage of the purse or whatever it is, and

1114
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:25,519
we will put it in scrow, and he can go

1115
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:27,760
and do his business, and you'll fight it out, and

1116
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,679
then if you win and get the money, and if

1117
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:30,559
he wins, he gets.

1118
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: What could also happen though, and this is what they

1119
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,679
wanted because I read that, and I read you're writing

1120
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:37,400
on it, and I read some other analysis of it.

1121
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,760
They just want an immediate ruling from the judge. He's

1122
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,320
a free agent. He's a free agent black and White

1123
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,119
in the contract we notified them on January the eighth,

1124
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:47,119
Dala Hoya.

1125
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,199
Speaker 2: And Golden Boy. He is a free agent.

1126
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: Agree with us judge, and if the judge agrees, then

1127
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,199
they can go make the deal in Marigean can negotiate it,

1128
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,559
and the lawyer can negotiate it whoever else.

1129
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: Again, I'm not saying it won't happen or that it's

1130
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,280
not possible. Again, in my experience, it's highly unlikely that

1131
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,880
the court will offer summary judgment, which means say you're

1132
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,400
good to go, case dismissed. That's probably not gonna happen. So,

1133
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,239
but but getting back to the fight itself and what

1134
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,559
this means in terms of like Josh Kelly and Boots Ennis.

1135
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,519
Before Boots goes to try to make a fight with

1136
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,159
Kelly or any other fighter in the way class, their

1137
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,880
goal is to still try apparently to get the Virgil

1138
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,280
fight done. So let them take the next little week,

1139
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,480
you know, week or two or whatever to see what

1140
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,920
they can get and hopefully we'll see that fight. Because

1141
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,039
don't forget the zone still wants that fight. I'm not

1142
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:37,519
saying the Zone wouldn't do Boots Ennis against Josh Kelly,

1143
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,280
but if Boots Ennis against Virgil Ortiz on the the

1144
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,599
Zone wish list is a ten, Boots against Josh Kelly

1145
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:46,639
is probably like a fucking two, you know what I mean.

1146
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,119
It doesn't mean anything, not that it's not a bad fight.

1147
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to scale it just mean shit, doesn't

1148
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:54,679
It certainly doesn't mean anything in the United States.

1149
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: They want a big American fight that they can say

1150
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,079
is a pay per view worthy fight, so they continue

1151
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:01,840
to sell the Ultimate Plan. Don't ever fucking forget.

1152
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:04,519
Speaker 1: That, well, right, because that's that's part of the hook

1153
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,400
for what they've done with their model, which again we're

1154
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,079
not going to spend five more minutes on this where

1155
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:11,719
they're charging you much more and still charging you for

1156
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,119
pay per views, but they're giving you a discount if you,

1157
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:17,920
as you said, if you have the Ultimate Plan, all right,

1158
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:18,320
if you want to.

1159
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,119
Speaker 3: Listen, I'll just put it to you like this. If

1160
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,360
you are a die hard, which I assume if you're

1161
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,679
listening to you and me ramble about boxing, you're a

1162
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:28,519
fucking dur deranged diehard. So that's for you. That's what

1163
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:31,400
the ultim plan is for. So if you are that

1164
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:33,639
caliber of a fan and you buy all the pay

1165
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,159
per views and you watch the Magualen Matximum shows, and

1166
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:38,679
you watch the MVP shows and the Golden Boy and

1167
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,199
the fucking crazy shit they show from Germany, if that's

1168
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,199
your cup of tea, then frankly, the money they're charging

1169
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,280
for the Open Plan, for my way of looking at it,

1170
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,199
is actually probably worth it if you are that level

1171
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,320
of a fan. So that's why they're trying to get

1172
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,440
these types of fights done. That's why they got Ryan

1173
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,599
Garcia and Barrios. That's why we saw a Ta female

1174
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:59,320
with Cha Kor. That's why we're gonna get the fight hopefully,

1175
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,360
you know, the next few months between Virgil and Ennis.

1176
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,159
Those are the types of fights that they have to

1177
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:06,360
just apply us on a month.

1178
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:08,559
Speaker 1: By more otherwise they're screwing you out of what they're

1179
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:11,639
charging you. There you go, all right, so we gave

1180
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:14,199
you a lot on the recaps. Let's move into some

1181
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,360
news before we are done. It is now official and

1182
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,679
announced Deontay Wilder, the former WBC heavyweight titleholder, and Derek

1183
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,480
Cesorro will fight in the O two Arena in London.

1184
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:30,639
Date is April the fourth. Give me a little more

1185
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:32,239
on this because we have talked about it a couple

1186
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,039
of times here on the Pot.

1187
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: It's now official.

1188
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,639
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, now it's official. I mean they they were

1189
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:38,679
both in New York over the weekend for the for

1190
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,360
the fight that took place at Madison Square Garden. They

1191
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,840
both attended the Ring Magazine Awards dinner that took place

1192
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,000
on Friday night. They're gonna do on Monday, they're gonna

1193
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:49,519
have it's not like a full press a press conference,

1194
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,039
but they're gonna do some interviews and photo ops and

1195
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,920
things like that, and then on later in the week.

1196
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,199
I believe it's on Wednesday, they will be in London

1197
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,000
for the full Blast you know, official kickoff Press Corp

1198
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,719
still do that yet. It is on Wednesday. As I

1199
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,920
look at my email blast about it. They're billing it

1200
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,079
as the one hundredth because it's the fiftieth fight for

1201
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,039
Deonta and the fiftieth fight for Tesaau, So there's that

1202
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:13,800
little hook to it. I mean, two very well known

1203
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,239
guys in the division. May not be for a title,

1204
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,079
but it's gonna be a popular fight. They did announce

1205
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:19,760
it will be on his own, not a pay per

1206
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:25,599
view apparently, and two guys you know, playing out the string,

1207
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:28,039
but two guys that still have desires to do something

1208
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:30,840
more than just fight each other, I guess, and we

1209
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,559
will see it happened. So I reported on it, as

1210
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:34,480
you mentioned, like about a week or so ago. It's

1211
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,559
now official. What's interesting is the group that's promoting it.

1212
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:41,760
You know, you figure, okay, Chasaura has been with Queensberry

1213
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,079
and he's been with matrimat times. So while Queensberry is

1214
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:48,000
apparently involved because their logos all over the press release,

1215
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:51,840
the main promoter is if you're you know, the the

1216
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,440
Misfits crew that does those wax Fits boxing right right,

1217
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:58,519
So they have apparently a division that's not the nonsense,

1218
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,400
but they have something called Misfits Pro.

1219
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: Which is is that the non Misfits. I don't know

1220
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,599
how we delineate distinguish.

1221
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: I mean, as a fan, I mean, you shouldn't really

1222
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,280
care who the promoter is other than the fact that

1223
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,800
sometimes will impact the level of the undercard. But so yeah,

1224
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,320
that's the story. So m MF Pro and Queensberry are

1225
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,400
promoting this event. Uh, and the press conference like I said,

1226
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,320
is gonna be Wednesday in London. They'll do a smaller

1227
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,079
media thing on Monday in New York City. And uh,

1228
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,760
if you like slobbery, knocker heavyweight fights with good names

1229
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,039
and guys that can knock a guy out and do whatever,

1230
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,400
you know, maybe you'll enjoy this fight. Now. You know,

1231
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,679
Deontay has not been in great fights in recent times,

1232
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,840
but when he does land that big right hand, he

1233
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,880
can turn out the lights and chesoora. You know, he's

1234
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,360
been on a pretty good run. He's won like three

1235
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,519
fights in a row against some pretty decent level of opponent.

1236
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:45,760
There you go, it is what.

1237
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: It is when he lands that big right hand. I

1238
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,239
think he's still an if he can do that anymore.

1239
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,519
But you know what we'll find out. We'll find out

1240
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,400
coming in Aple. Do either one of them have anything

1241
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,320
left when it's the heavy I'm gona.

1242
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 3: Tell you right now, though, this fight will do a

1243
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,679
very big credit the to a r Yes, and it'll

1244
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,239
have some is well known by the Britain. He thought

1245
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,960
Tyson Fury three times and Chasor is like a beloved

1246
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:05,880
cult figure.

1247
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: And this will have some pay per view value, not

1248
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,039
only in the UK, but in the United States.

1249
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:11,519
Speaker 3: Well it's not. I just sit you. I don't think

1250
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:12,599
it's a paper gew They're not going.

1251
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,639
Speaker 2: To make it a pay for you Well, stay tuned.

1252
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,400
Who knows, but at least it will have the interest

1253
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,519
in this country as well.

1254
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 3: All right.

1255
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 1: Another note, the Boxing Writers Association and The Ring Magazine

1256
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,039
have announced their awards for twenty twenty five. You and

1257
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:30,639
I have gone over our feelings on Fight of the Year,

1258
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,719
Fighter of the Year, Knockout of the Year. You've written

1259
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,840
about it on your sub stack. So what about their

1260
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,000
official awards coming out and how it was either similar

1261
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:39,639
or different?

1262
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?

1263
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,199
Speaker 3: Okay, So the Boxing Writers Association America, which has been

1264
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,719
doing these awards, you know, for decades and decades, as

1265
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,760
as the Ring Magazine just coincidental, I guess. The announcement

1266
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,800
of their of the winners was. I think both on Friday,

1267
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,559
both on the same day. I voted in the in

1268
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:56,599
the BWA Awards like I've been doing for the last

1269
00:54:56,599 --> 00:55:00,239
twenty something years, and no no surprise here in both

1270
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,280
The Ring Magazine and in uh the b w A

1271
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,840
A Terrence Crawford was the winner of the Fighter of

1272
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,320
the Year. We don't have to you know, go through

1273
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,239
chapter and verse, but you know, he did what he

1274
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,320
did against Canelo and then walked off into the sunset

1275
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,599
as the undisputed champion. Uh at minima, although I've gotten

1276
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,320
tripped I guess a couple of weeks earlier by the WBC.

1277
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,880
But nonetheless, I mean he was the winner the Fight

1278
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,440
of the Year also, and I picked him as you know,

1279
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,800
for what it's worth on my Fight Free Night substack

1280
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:25,960
the Fight of the Year also. And I like this

1281
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:28,400
that there's a uniformity to to the to the picks

1282
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,360
that with you know, and they're they're not the same

1283
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,000
group of people that are voting necessarily. Uh. The U

1284
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,639
Bank connor Ben one was the fight of the year

1285
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,320
by which we which we agreed on. Yes, so the

1286
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,280
b w a A it won that which I of

1287
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,880
course voted for, and it was also the same pick

1288
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,440
in the uh in the Ring magazine. So uh, now

1289
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,559
where there was some difference of opinion, uh, I feel

1290
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:52,280
and I believe that the Ring Magazine got it wrong,

1291
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,480
but that's just my view. The Trainer of the Year

1292
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:56,360
that was picked by the b w a A. And keep

1293
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,480
in mind that's a much larger group of people voting

1294
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,320
than a small group of people that are making the

1295
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,480
pick for the ring, but nonetheless the ring has the

1296
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:05,000
history of one hundred years of making these picks. Also

1297
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:07,840
Robert Garci, who I picked as the Trainer of the Year,

1298
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,960
and also who was the winner in the BWAA Awards,

1299
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,280
so he got that bw A A. It was a

1300
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,599
second year in a row, and in the Ring magazine

1301
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:19,559
it was Shingo in a way, who of course had

1302
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,760
his son Nayoya make four title defenses of the undisputed

1303
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,000
junior featherweight Championship. His other son Takuma became a bandonmwaight champion,

1304
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:29,559
so of course he had a great year also, but

1305
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:31,119
I feel like Robert, you know, was doing it with

1306
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:34,400
a lot more people at a not necessarily a family

1307
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,679
member type situation. Either. In terms of the knockout of

1308
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:39,719
the Year, again I picked this as my knockout of

1309
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,480
the year. I voted for it in the b w

1310
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:44,559
A poll. It did win the b w A and

1311
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:46,440
it also won in the Ring magazine, and that was

1312
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,119
a sensational knockout. When then w BO welterweight champion Brian

1313
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:54,320
Norman went to Japan and had a spectacular fifth round

1314
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,880
knockout against Jin Sasaki, who actually put something up on

1315
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,960
his own social media which was translated into English, where

1316
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:02,880
you know, if you're the guy that got knocked out

1317
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,760
and that wins the knock out of the year, most

1318
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,159
guys might be not too embracing him, that kind of

1319
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:09,119
like kind of sheepish, kind of embarrassed about it. But

1320
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:12,599
Sasaki was like, look, basically I'm paraphrasing, He's like, shit happens.

1321
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:15,119
I'm happy to get the award, you know, right, I mean,

1322
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:16,840
at least he had a good sense of humor about it,

1323
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,880
and he also said, and make sure to pay attention

1324
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,000
because I'm coming back. He has a fight coming up

1325
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,840
in a few weeks, I guess, which will be his

1326
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,119
first fight since that absolutely ridiculous knockout that he suffered.

1327
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:30,119
So most of the awards were in concert with each other.

1328
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:32,960
Now the organizations offered up some awards that the other

1329
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,599
one doesn't like. The BWAA does not give out a

1330
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,159
prospect of the year, for example, in the Ring magazine,

1331
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,199
they do give that a prospect of the year, and

1332
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,960
for what it's worth, it match the prospect of the

1333
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,880
year that I picked. My twenty six consecutive Prospect of

1334
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,039
the Year, which was Emiliano Vargas, the outstanding Young Junior

1335
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:51,719
welterweight with top rank, the son of the former champion

1336
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,000
Fernando Vargas. So I was thrilled also by the way,

1337
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:57,360
and I watched the Ring Magazine they did a beautiful ceremony,

1338
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,760
a beautiful dinner awards thing, only it was like maybe

1339
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,719
an hour and a half UH in New York on

1340
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,960
Friday night before the big show on Saturday. They they

1341
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,400
gave out a Lifetime Achievement Award and while the winner

1342
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,079
was not present, filmed the beautiful video that they played

1343
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:11,760
that was, you know, a couple of minutes long. My

1344
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,480
dear friend Larry Merchant was given the Lifetime a Chief

1345
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:17,960
and so it was beautiful to see that. You know,

1346
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:20,800
it's a word season and UH. They did also differ

1347
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,320
by the way in terms of the upset of the year.

1348
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,639
So in the in the UH, in the b W

1349
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,800
A A. But I guess we don't pick an upset

1350
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,039
of the year. But in the in the UH Ring Magazine,

1351
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:35,159
they also picked Armando Resendez's victory against Kayla plant which

1352
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:38,119
was a tremendous upset. I mean that was you know,

1353
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:40,840
most people had never heard of Armando Resendez and Kayla

1354
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,639
Plant was supposed to be fighting to set up the

1355
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:45,960
fight against Charlot. So you know, it didn't quite go

1356
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:50,000
that way. Shit happens, it does. Manager of the Year

1357
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:52,360
in the b w A was Keith Connolly, which was

1358
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,280
to me a slam dunk. There's plenty of good managers,

1359
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,400
but you know, he had, you know, a tremendous year

1360
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,519
for his clients and just did all kinds of work.

1361
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:02,159
They didn't pick one in the in the Ring magazine.

1362
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,840
There was a difference in the female boxer the year. Also,

1363
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,880
by the way, for the Ring Magazine, they picked the

1364
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,079
excellent Japanese champion and whose name has escaped me at

1365
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,440
the moment, but I'm going to look it up here. Yeah,

1366
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:20,320
Miszuki Herouda. She continued to be undefeated, made a number

1367
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,039
of title defenses. You know, obviously she was a great candidate.

1368
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:25,760
I think she fought four times and defended her title.

1369
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:29,920
The Boxing Writers Association of America picked MICHAELA. Mayer, who

1370
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,400
won her both of her fights. She won a title

1371
00:59:33,639 --> 00:59:35,880
or she defended the title in the welterweight division, and

1372
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,639
then she moved up. I guess no yeah, she defended

1373
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:40,800
it in the rematch against Sandy Ryan, and then she

1374
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,320
went up to one fifty four and won three of

1375
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,440
the belts in that way class against against Spencer. She

1376
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,599
was hoping to fight Lauren Price for undisputed at Walter

1377
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:50,079
Way and she couldn't get as I said, fuck it,

1378
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,760
and she went up to the next tow weight class.

1379
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: So the point the.

1380
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,079
Speaker 3: Point of it, though, is in the in the calendar

1381
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:58,480
year of twenty twenty five, whatever, those types of awards

1382
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,559
that you're picking, whether it's you and I is individual

1383
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:05,159
or the organizations, they really were not that complicated. Everybody

1384
01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:07,079
seemed to pretty much agree on who the winners were.

1385
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:10,239
Speaker 1: Or we can look at it as we were trendsetters

1386
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,119
and they agreed with the people that know what they're

1387
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:13,480
talking about, Dan Rayfield and TJ.

1388
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: Reeves.

1389
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,239
Speaker 2: I kind of look at it like that.

1390
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 3: All right.

1391
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: One more quick note here before we are done, and

1392
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,199
that is no Ninto Dunair, who seems to be able

1393
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:24,000
to fight on forever at Banham Waite. It's going to

1394
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,119
keep fighting on here at Banham Waite. Here, give me

1395
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:27,800
the latest on this real quick.

1396
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm not surprised. I guess. I mean,

1397
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,480
he did have a very competitive loss in his last

1398
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,039
fight that was recently. I was like, how long ago

1399
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:37,199
was that, TJ? Like a month ago? Yes, it wasn't

1400
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:40,559
really that long ago that he had lost December in Japan. Yes, right,

1401
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:43,280
he was the interim title holder at that point. He

1402
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,599
was taking on the champion. He lost a split decision,

1403
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:48,880
and you're like, you know what, he's in his forties.

1404
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:51,719
You know, he's lost now a couple of fights in

1405
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,480
recent times, and you know, maybe it's going to be

1406
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:53,880
time to.

1407
01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: At some point it's over.

1408
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Speaker 1: And I know you were saying it as much as

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he's had a Hall of Fame career, at some point

1410
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:01,519
it's over.

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Speaker 2: But he's apparently gonna fight on right apparently.

1412
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's not taking great punishment in

1413
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:10,320
these fights, so that's a good thing. At least doesn't

1414
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appear to be the case. So he's gonna be on

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a card. It's a good like if you're into the

1416
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Japanese type championship fights, which you now. I love the

1417
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,320
streaming service in Japan that does a lot of these

1418
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,960
events called You Next. They have a card that will

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01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,920
take place in Yokohama. It's on March fifteenth, and in

1420
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,440
that in the one of the fights on the card

1421
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:33,119
is the flyweight WBO champion Anthony Olaskagua, who's from Los

1422
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:36,440
Angeles but has been making a living fighting and defending

1423
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,400
his title in Japan. He takes out of Japanese Jukiya Imora.

1424
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:43,159
That'll be one of the fights. But in terms of

1425
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,840
don't Air, this will be a he's forty three years

1426
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,599
old and he's gonna be in Hall of Fame, but

1427
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:49,840
he's gonna have to wait a few years after he retires.

1428
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,880
The question is will he ever retire? So he's in

1429
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,320
a WBA bandon weight eliminator, not unreasonable despite coming off

1430
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,840
of the loss, given how close that fight was. He'll

1431
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,480
be in another eliminator, this time against Masuda, which is

1432
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:03,559
hilarious to me because here you have Donair who's forty

1433
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:05,800
three and nine, who's forty three years old, and he's

1434
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,239
taken a guy with nine wins and one loss was

1435
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:10,719
only twenty eight years old, so the gap and experience

1436
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,639
and age is just dramatic. And he and and the

1437
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:16,320
fight that he lost, by the way, was only in December,

1438
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,519
so you know, for a guy in his forties like that,

1439
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:20,719
and you know it's a pretty quick turnaround. He had

1440
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,159
given your boys to assume me a tremendous battle, but

1441
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:26,519
came up a little bit short in that, uh in

1442
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:28,920
that title fight. So he's going to keep on going on.

1443
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,400
And by the way, on the rest of the card,

1444
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,920
your boy uh not Neilmtrong. He's going to defend the

1445
01:02:34,519 --> 01:02:37,800
uh the WBC Junior Flyway title on this card against

1446
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,440
another Japanese.

1447
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: Hey fresh Mark.

1448
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 3: Right, well we go by Famamon.

1449
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: Yes, he'll be on the card too in March. Man.

1450
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:46,679
So we've got it all.

1451
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: We've got it all here, including Donair fighting on listen

1452
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,960
full recap. Nice job for all the cards again, New

1453
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:58,639
York City, Puerto Rico, England. If you enjoy us, make

1454
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:02,440
sure you're following, subscribing, spread the word, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify,

1455
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,320
get on Dan, Substack, the Fight, Freaking Night, Substack, and newsletter.

1456
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:12,519
We we conclude the first uh week of February. Here

1457
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,239
we conclude with a Sunday, starting a new week. I

1458
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:17,360
guess I should say in a new month here in February.

1459
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:18,239
Here we go with that.

1460
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,639
Speaker 2: Anything else were good here off the off the weekend.

1461
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we're good I mean we're taping this. Uh,

1462
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,440
but while we're doing this, the second zoofa boxing cards on,

1463
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:30,320
all right, and uh, we'll see what happens. I'm gonna

1464
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,039
will be when we get finished taping this, I'm gonna

1465
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:32,559
go pop it on.

1466
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,679
Speaker 2: So pop it on and you'll get a full recap

1467
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:35,960
on his substance.

1468
01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 3: That I've been writing a lot.

1469
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: But we mentioned, we mentioned in the preview mode that

1470
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,679
those fights would be going on while we do this

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01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:44,519
Sunday and the Monday and get it out of the oven.

1472
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,199
So if you're curious, find the results there on card

1473
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:48,800
number two.

1474
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 3: These will come down a little bit next week after

1475
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,719
a big week in this we we got.

1476
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:56,159
Speaker 1: We've got ball and figure roast a title fight.

1477
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, matrim has always produced this fun fights. They've got

1478
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,239
one of these. I was in Mexico with the newly

1479
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,639
crowned w BO Bantamway champion, Christian Medina defending against a

1480
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:08,559
former title or in Adrian Curio. I can't imagine that's

1481
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:11,440
not gonna be anything but a brawl, all right, So we.

1482
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:12,679
Speaker 2: Look forward to those later in the week in the

1483
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:13,280
preview mode.

1484
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: Other than that, have a good week, my friends, gets

1485
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,320
off here tonight there goes Dan Rayfield.

1486
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm merely t J Reeves. You've been with us on

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the Fight Preach United Recap podcast