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Speaker 1: You heard the voice of my guest in studio empower
Speaker 1: You sevenar to night, seven pm. You can either log
Speaker 1: on empower Youoamerica dot org or show up in person.
Speaker 1: Two twenty five Northland Boulevard formerly Framed, USA, where the
Speaker 1: empower You America's seminar, or rather studio still exists. Thank
Speaker 1: you as always to Dan Ragnell for the original concept
Speaker 1: for these wonderful learning opportunities and educational opportunities and dedication
Speaker 1: of the space to have these in studio. Mark Burrell,
Speaker 1: he is an author, talked to him before his book
Speaker 1: Rediscovering the American Covenant Roadmap to Restore America, which was
Speaker 1: published a couple of years ago, argues that American Declaration
Speaker 1: of Independence functions as our national founding covenant, following a
Speaker 1: Biblical template for establishing community or nation. It's aimed at
Speaker 1: pastors and church leaders, although you can feel free to
Speaker 1: enjoy it yourself. Today and tonight we'll be diving in
Speaker 1: a little bit to his new book, The Duty Is Ours.
Speaker 1: It's a concise overview of what God desires for nations,
Speaker 1: at least as he perceives it, including how to establish
Speaker 1: a governation that in a way that honors God. Discusses
Speaker 1: biblical responses for Christians out there who when governed justly
Speaker 1: or unjustly, offering a framework for guiding a wayward nation
Speaker 1: back to God. He has a podcast, check it out
Speaker 1: Liberty Talk Podcast, where he analyzes curve events through the
Speaker 1: biblical lens. He also cool enjoys restoring antique cars. I
Speaker 1: think that's an awesome hobby. Welcome and thanks for coming
Speaker 1: to the studio. Mark Barrell, it's great to see you again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Brian. How did you get involved with this? I know
Speaker 1: you have an engineering backworn you were a background you
Speaker 1: worked at Procter and Gamble and a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: different roles in manufacturing, engineering, et cetera. But how did
Speaker 1: you get involved in your biblical analysis, not only in
Speaker 1: rediscovering the American Covenant, but The Duty is Ours? The
Speaker 1: book we have I have in my hand here and
Speaker 1: thanks for the copy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it started about thirty years ago. I really
Speaker 3: had a lot of questions about my faith and having
Speaker 3: an engineering and a science background, I felt like there
Speaker 3: ought to be some reasonable answers to a lot of
Speaker 3: the questions that I had, and so I started trying
Speaker 3: to find people get answered those questions. And I was
Speaker 3: fortunate enough to find a mentor who was strong in theology,
Speaker 3: and when I started sharing some of the questions I had,
Speaker 3: he said, well, you just need systematic theology. I'll take
Speaker 3: you through it. And so systematic theology is essentially applying
Speaker 3: the scientific method to the Bible. So if you have
Speaker 3: a question on what does God say about prayer? Or
Speaker 3: who is God? What is he like? What are his
Speaker 3: nature and attributes? Basically the approaches just go through the Bible,
Speaker 3: pull out all the verses that seem to talk about that,
Speaker 3: arrange them, and figure out what the interpretation is that
Speaker 3: seems to answer that question. And if you do that faithfully,
Speaker 3: you'll find that the Bible does provide a pretty coherent
Speaker 3: answer to most of the questions of life. So that's
Speaker 3: how I got started in really understanding the Bible.
Speaker 1: Okay, now walk me through how this works. Because my
Speaker 1: approach to the Morning Show is now and has always been.
Speaker 1: I have never said out loud what religion. I am,
Speaker 1: Everything I utter, my principles are based purely on logic
Speaker 1: and reason and are supported regardless of what religion you
Speaker 1: follow Islam, Judaism, Christianity. You know, there's a bottom line principle,
Speaker 1: government's going to work or it's not. Two and two
Speaker 1: is always four. It doesn't matter what you believe in.
Speaker 1: And I can make my arguments to any person of
Speaker 1: any faith. Now from that approach, does your scientific approach
Speaker 1: to looking at the Bible apply logically and reasonably to
Speaker 1: people who may not carry a faith or maybe of
Speaker 1: a different faith than Christianity To understand where I'm coming
Speaker 1: from on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think the question is if you look
Speaker 3: at all the facts, I mean, you can look at
Speaker 3: how does what does the Bible say about all these things?
Speaker 3: And then you can look at life and say what
Speaker 3: can I observe about all these things? And if you
Speaker 3: look at the two my experience has been that you
Speaker 3: can see a match, but everyone's going on their own
Speaker 3: personal faith journey. And that's really the key behind the
Speaker 3: phrase pursuit of happiness and a declaration of independence that
Speaker 3: Framers actually meant that they wanted to respect everyone's liberty
Speaker 3: to go through their own personal faith journey up to
Speaker 3: an including choosing not to follow God.
Speaker 1: That's why we don't have a theocracy. They lived through
Speaker 1: the Church of England. They saw what happened when you
Speaker 1: have a religion that is well governments supported or mandated
Speaker 1: taxes are paid to support the English Church. You may
Speaker 1: be getting a message by the way, right, you may
Speaker 1: be getting a message you don't believe in, but you're
Speaker 1: stuck with it because your government is ed to a
Speaker 1: specific religion. Our framers knew that.
Speaker 3: Yep, they did. In fact, one of the things Jefferson
Speaker 3: is accused of is being anti church. But one of
Speaker 3: the things he was pushing when they were disestablishing the church,
Speaker 3: for instance in Virginia in the seventeen seventies, is he
Speaker 3: was arguing that the state should not be paying for
Speaker 3: the churches. The churches should be on their own right,
Speaker 3: which is the model we adopted in America. Which is
Speaker 3: the right model.
Speaker 1: It's the capitalist method for you got to do. You
Speaker 1: have to proselytize, You have to convince people why they
Speaker 1: should be following your specific faith. You have to weigh,
Speaker 1: you know, other faiths against the one that you're pushing
Speaker 1: and show why your faith is the right way to go.
Speaker 1: It's better for you as a human being. It'll help
Speaker 1: you grow and thrive and survive. And as I go
Speaker 1: to prayer, you know, I'm a prayerful man, and the
Speaker 1: reason is it because it helps me be introspective. I
Speaker 1: don't believe that I'm praying to a God that is
Speaker 1: going to help me win the lottery. I believe I
Speaker 1: am speaking to someone who is all seeing, all knowing being,
Speaker 1: so I can't lie. If I got a problem in
Speaker 1: my life, I have to understand that that problem may
Speaker 1: be my responsibility. And the point of prayer for me
Speaker 1: is to walk through that I'm having this problem. God,
Speaker 1: you know, can you help me find a solution? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's walk through why I am where I am with
Speaker 1: any given problem. Maybe it is my fault. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: the fault of something completely out of my hands. But
Speaker 1: I don't I'm thinking. I'm never ever saying God, can
Speaker 1: you please help me win the lottery? Or God, can
Speaker 1: you help the Bengals win this weekend. I believe God
Speaker 1: has a hands off approach about that. Otherwise we would
Speaker 1: have plague, pestilence, war, famine, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean the whole intent of prayer
Speaker 3: is to communicate with God and listen and try and
Speaker 3: be introspective about the things that are going on in
Speaker 3: your life and what can you do about those?
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, And you get that's very helpful to
Speaker 1: someone as long as they're willing to put down that
Speaker 1: idea that you know, God is the hand or out
Speaker 1: of holiday treats. That's the importance of prayer for me.
Speaker 1: Now walking through your scientific approach, is there any can
Speaker 1: you give an illustration of how that works on any
Speaker 1: given area of government for me this morning for my list,
Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk about that, I know in depth.
Speaker 1: I don't want to click overview.
Speaker 3: Would be So, for instance, does God care about the nations?
Speaker 3: If you look around the world today, I mean, the
Speaker 3: nations are in a mess. It would be easy for
Speaker 3: someone to conclude that God doesn't care about the nations.
Speaker 3: We're sort of on our own. Yet if you look
Speaker 3: start in Genesis, actually Genesis one twenty eight, he says,
Speaker 3: I want the nations to be fruitful, increase in number,
Speaker 3: and fill the earth. It's very simple. And then after
Speaker 3: the flood he says the same thing. I want the
Speaker 3: nations to be fruitful, increase in number, and phill the earth.
Speaker 3: And then he adds one thing, because remember the question
Speaker 3: after the flood is what's going to be different going forward?
Speaker 3: We just wiped out mankind because of the rampant violence
Speaker 3: and the rampant evil. So what's going to be different?
Speaker 3: And in Genesis nine, verses five and six, he says,
Speaker 3: I demand an accounting for the shedding of innocent blood.
Speaker 3: And he says it three times. And that is where
Speaker 3: the institution of civil government actually comes from in the Bible.
Speaker 3: So you can start to piece together. Okay, God desires
Speaker 3: nations to be fruitful, he wants nations to govern justly.
Speaker 3: Then the next question is, well, how do you start
Speaker 3: a nation? And how do you govern justly? And so
Speaker 3: that's what I'll be talking about tonight.
Speaker 1: I always had this vision along those lines. When you
Speaker 1: think about Moses going up on the mount and bringing
Speaker 1: down the Ten commandments. He went up there, it happened,
Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah, he was, he was. He was
Speaker 1: being very contemplative. He's speaking with God. Maybe maybe God
Speaker 1: delivered them physically to him, or maybe he was rebeing
Speaker 1: reflective about the state of the world and analyzing where
Speaker 1: all the problems come from looking down at the masses
Speaker 1: and fighting and sleeping with each other and covetying and
Speaker 1: andret Where are the where what are the core reasons
Speaker 1: for our disfunction and our inability to get along with
Speaker 1: each other? And by analyzing those you come up with
Speaker 1: I think the Ten Commandments are a wonderful, non necessary
Speaker 1: and doesn't even have to be religious based. Even believing
Speaker 1: in a God is important because it's humble to man.
Speaker 1: There is something beyond you which keeps you down a
Speaker 1: little bit in terms of your cockiness. But all the
Speaker 1: other ones simply don't kill anybody, covet if you could
Speaker 1: wipe out any sin and I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 1: label them in terms of priority. But if people were
Speaker 1: just no longer envious, covetous and greedy, they wouldn't look
Speaker 1: at someone every day and go, you've got more than me,
Speaker 1: I deserve more? Why how come you got? You know what,
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Speaker 1: Hey twenty here fifty five KRC, The talk station Brian
Speaker 1: Thomas with Mark Burrell. How are you seminar tonight? You
Speaker 1: should check it out online. You can watch comfortably from
Speaker 1: your own home and the power you America dot org,
Speaker 1: just RSVP and stream the video connection or show up
Speaker 1: at two twenty five Northland Boulevard. Should be a fascinating
Speaker 1: conversation on the biblical connections. Biblical principles to shape and
Speaker 1: how they shape the Declaration of Independence, but how they
Speaker 1: are a guide for well, maybe writing the ship that
Speaker 1: is the current disaster we find ourselves in right now,
Speaker 1: my words, not yours, Mark, before we dive back into it,
Speaker 1: because I know you have an anecdote or two you
Speaker 1: want to pass along. But you also teamed up with
Speaker 1: Building Blocks for Liberty, Jim Lewis's group, and they're doing
Speaker 1: the sixteen nineteen project film.
Speaker 3: They're doing that this Saturday, ten o'clock at the Freedom Church,
Speaker 3: So show up a little early so you can sign.
Speaker 1: Up, but we'd love to see you there ten am,
Speaker 1: ten am the Freedom Church. Wonderful. Now moving over, what
Speaker 1: is the rule of the church insofar as the election
Speaker 1: is concerned or government generally speaking. I'm on record I've
Speaker 1: said a gazillion times. If you're in the congregation and
Speaker 1: the guy or gow in the front of the room
Speaker 1: is telling you to vote for some huge social welfare
Speaker 1: program through government, then they are abdicating the responsibility as
Speaker 1: let's say a Christian, because it's the Christian individual's obligation
Speaker 1: to help out one's fellow man, not the state. Right,
Speaker 1: those are two separate obligations. State got its own, people
Speaker 1: have their own, but off roading that is really removing one.
Speaker 1: Are the points of the church, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Church is to be the conscience of society
Speaker 3: and Christians are to be adopting a Judeo Christian moral
Speaker 3: and ethical framework. Let me say it that perfect and
Speaker 3: the moral and ethical framework should guide not only your
Speaker 3: personal actions, but also how you live your life with
Speaker 3: your family, but also how you live in community. And
Speaker 3: so when you're governing authorities are governing unjustly or they're
Speaker 3: proposing policies and laws that do not match with moral
Speaker 3: and ethical behavior, this is when Christians need to speak up.
Speaker 1: Going back to my point on being covetous, and that's
Speaker 1: class warfare, brother, right there, that's Marxism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're spot on with the covetous thing. If
Speaker 3: there is one that is like a dark horse on
Speaker 3: the list, it's that one. It is and progressive us
Speaker 3: that in order to get people to get upset and
Speaker 3: you know, storm the gates and get some of these
Speaker 3: laws passed that are really unethical, they shouldn't be passed.
Speaker 3: But the point of the church is that we're supposed
Speaker 3: to be the conscience of society, and the way Christians
Speaker 3: do that is by at a minimum, is by voting.
Speaker 3: And they should be voting their conscience, and their conscience
Speaker 3: should be informed by biblical principles. And this is really
Speaker 3: the target audience that I have for my ministry and
Speaker 3: the books that I've been writing. Because when I started
Speaker 3: this journey about twenty years ago, thirty years ago, I
Speaker 3: had lots of questions. I didn't understand how the revolution
Speaker 3: could have been biblically justifiable if Jesus said you should
Speaker 3: pay her taxes and supposedly it was all about taxation
Speaker 3: without representation. For me, that was a conflict. So I
Speaker 3: understand that there's lots of questions about the founding and
Speaker 3: whether or not it violated Romans thirteen, or it's in
Speaker 3: conflict with evangelism. All those topics I had to work
Speaker 3: through and I put them in. The first book has
Speaker 3: all of it. It's very detailed. The second book is
Speaker 3: a quicker read for the general congregation, and that's really
Speaker 3: my target audience. Brian. I'm trying to get the church
Speaker 3: to realize that they have a citizenship duty and we
Speaker 3: need to step up and we need to get involved
Speaker 3: in politics at a minimum by voting.
Speaker 1: So your first book was for all the pastors, ministers, rabbis.
Speaker 1: I'm mom what I have read this and advance these
Speaker 1: principles to your congregation. This book is when you're in
Speaker 1: church where they're not doing that for the congregation to
Speaker 1: stand up and say, hey, pastor Rabbi, I'm aut whatever,
Speaker 1: this is what we need to do, and you are
Speaker 1: misdirecting the conversation by pushing this, say covetous proposal, or
Speaker 1: however you want to characterize it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the way I would say it is that book
Speaker 3: when you're holding up the duty is ours is a
Speaker 3: cliff note biblical defense for the fact that Christians should
Speaker 3: be engaged and in fact, in America's case, our declaration
Speaker 3: of independence is actually our national founding Covenant. And the
Speaker 3: punchline at the end of the seminar tonight is to
Speaker 3: the biblical roadmap to restore America is that we need
Speaker 3: to revisit our national founding Covenant and recommit like our
Speaker 3: founders did.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what it's going to be a
Speaker 1: fascinating conversation. Mark. I've really enjoyed our conversation this morning,
Speaker 1: Mark Burrell tonight seven PM and Poweroamerica dot org makes
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