Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 2: These are the.
Speaker 1: Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,
because today you'll hear another account that just might change
the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 2: So stay with us.
Speaker 1: Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his
fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey,
please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes.
Thank you all right, Big for Society got the privilege
of talking to Derek today. Derek is a fisherman, outdoorsman
out there in the great area of the Pacific Northwest,
specifically Oregon, and he's got some interesting things that he's
going to share today. We've been trying to set this
up for a while, so I'm glad that we're able
to get Derek on the show. And welcome to the show, Derek,
how are you today, sir?
Speaker 3: Doing good? My brother, Jeremiah, thank you for asking you.
How about you?
Speaker 1: You know I'm doing good, you know as a time
of time of recording, because I do these ahead of time.
Speaker 2: So right now.
Speaker 1: We just had the first meeting with the on cologists yesterday.
We figured out, you know, we got eighty percent survival chance.
We're gonna go for it. We're gonna we're gonna beat it.
And uh and uh. There's there's a lot of treatment
coming up, probably in the next few weeks, and there's
a few steps before we get there. But God is
good and he is in control.
Speaker 3: So God is that's what we're at, Derek. You just
take your time getting back, brother, no rush, Just just
make sure your health is number one.
Speaker 2: Brother, Yes, sir, So thank you, Derek.
Speaker 1: So so, Derek, is there anything else that you would
like to let the listeners know before we get into
your experiences?
Speaker 3: Were basically the woods are alive, buddy, you know, So
that's that's all I'm going to say there.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: It is so true, especially you know, I've been privileged
to go out to your area of the US a
few times, and man, when you get out there.
Speaker 2: The woods are a live Oh.
Speaker 3: I've seen your Frank K videos. I've seen all your
organ videos. Brother. I definitely keep up on what you
do there. Brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good time.
Speaker 1: So so, Derek, you know, bring us back to there
must have been a time in your life out there
when you realize there is something else going on in
the woods or is it something where you've just you've
grown up there and you've always known that there was
something else, something that may be bigfoot out there.
Speaker 3: Oh oh definitely. Just you know, driving up there when
I was younger, not hard for me to imagine that
at all. I one of the first books I ever
read was John green Sasquatch The Apes among Us. I
wasn't a believer back then when I was a kid.
I just liked to read about animals and you know,
deer Elk, you know, whatever you'd give me, I'll read.
But you know, so I read that book and it
had a lot of the loggers experiences up above Malala Colton, Esticada,
the Glenn Thomas report there, of the digging up on
Tarzan Springs area, just you know a lot of a
lot of things that drew me. Uh my Grandpa built
roads for a guy named deird Orf up above Malala
back in the day he was up he owned a
lot of tracks of land up there, and Grandpa was
always so adamant, Oh there's nothing up there, no bigfoot,
no bigfoot. Well, now that I'm older, I almost wonder
if that's what he was told to say. But so,
you know that that kind of started it off. It
didn't make me a believer, just kind of opened my
eyes to things. Fast forward when I was about thirteen
fourteen when I read the book so fast forward about
ten years. Always went up Esticada Colton, Wala, probably daily,
especially when the evening hit. I just like to go
take drives up on the forest roads, you know, get
up to a viewpoint, sit, you know, just relax. Good
way to relieve the stress. So yeah, we were making
daily trips up above Esticada Colton, not looking for Bigfoot,
you know, just just me and my girlfriend just rolling.
You know, a lot of stress in our lives, so
that was a good way to get rid of it.
So one night, after being to the same spot for
probably a couple of weeks, every night at least we
were rolling up top of this hill. It's about ten
miles outside of Esticado, Oregon. The logging roads, galower clearcuts,
big old growth on the ridges, just just beautiful. Get
up to the top of this turnaround, Corey, and it
was like a bolt of lightning. I don't know if there,
if mama had a baby up there or something, but
the scream. She had to have been probably twenty feet
away from us. It was the most earth shattering the
vibration of my chest from this thing just screaming. I
mean it was. It was amazing. My girlfriend turned to me,
she says, go, I put my truck in the reverse
er spin out. I mean, I used to all animals,
so for me to freak out o where a scream
was just childish, right. So once we started going back
down the mountain, she's like, what do you think that was?
And I said, oh, I know exactly what that was.
I know elk, I know Wolf, I know cougar screams.
You can't kid this one. That was definitely something that
has not been recorded. My brother. It was like a
World War two siren, yet like guttural and like almost
breathing in while it was. It was just the most
amazing sound you're ever gonna hear, so that made me crazy.
I went back up there the next day. I looked
on the side of the hillside where the scream had
emanated from, and it was tore up. There was something
hanging out in that area. Holes dug inside of the hillside,
like something was just digging for something. I found several indentions, impressions,
not quite footprints, but you know, indentions. So fast forward
a few years later, I'm at Harriet Lake, which is
just i'd say three ridges over from the place where
we got screamed at. And if you know the big man,
three ridges over is not much for him to you know,
cover with, you know, fifty inch stripes. Right. So, like
I said, a few years later, at a campsite, we
just got done trout fishing. I'm cooking my trout on
the fire. We're surrounded in the cathedral of old growth
and there's a hillside that shoots up from the back
of the campsite and it's just basically straight almost, with
a bunch of dead trees down trees, you know how
the Oregon woods are. So we're cooking our trout and
my girlfriend says, hey, hey, Derek, trying to make one
of those sounds we heard a little while back up
there on that mountain, and I'm like, no, I'm not
going to try to do that. I really couldn't emulate that.
So I'm like, I'll just try to do some chicken
noises and we'll just see what happens. It was dusk,
about eight eight thirty summertime, so the sun was just
starting to go down up there in the mountains. And
made a couple of chicken noises. It was just a
bugock bagock bagot goofing around, not even trying to, you know,
just seeing, you know, seeing what I can do here.
But then one second of me making that noise, a
tree was pushed over. Okay, now this isn't some little snag,
This isn't some little little tree. I mean, this tree
had to have been six inches eight inches in diameter.
I'm a firm believer that they know where all the
dead trees are. They know their environments so well. It's
kind of like us in our room, right, we know
if anything's out of place. These things are masters of
what they do. Hunting pairs, man. I mean, I tell
you they wonder where we don't find any bones. Well
more than likely they're traveling in groups. You just don't.
When you see one, you're not gonna see more than
likely two or three. They're just hiding in the bushes,
right or whatever. But I'm a firm believer that's why
we don't find any bones is because they travel in pairs,
and when one dies, it's a burial sort of like
a human or vice versa. I mean, you know how
bones get scattered in the woods so quickly. I mean
it coyotes, vultures, raccoons, I mean things like that. So
for people to bring stuff like that, well, there's there's
no big foot because we don't find bones. And it's
it's it's very funny to me, So go back to
the tree cracking thing. Amazing. She looks at me again, says,
we're out. I had my whole tint set up, our
our ice shed, my freaking nice ice chest I just bought.
We had we had everything set out, all our food
on the picnic table, and we were out. I didn't
even bother to pick up any of that stuff. We
just got ran to the car, out to the tree
fell and we were out. Because just the prior experiences,
you know, it's pretty pretty weird. And I didn't hear
a scream that time or anything. It was just the
tree being pushed over, literally and not even a second
after I stopped my calls. So that was interesting. This
tree was big. I walked up there. I went up
there about a month ago just to see what that
hillside was like. I hadn't made it up there for
a few years. And wow, that hillside was tore up.
There was something up there. Man. I didn't find any
footprints up there either, but it's kind of hard man
in this when you got the forest floor like we
have here in Oregon, you gotta get real lucky to
find a footprint. So that was pretty crazy. Walked up there,
checked it out, and I was like, Okay, I could
definitely see a squatch up here, So that's pretty crazy
about and then I, you know, ever since those experiences,
just I've talked to many of people in the area
up here, many friends whose dad has been screened at
or pushed out of a campsite or basically saying things
that have happened to me. So fast forward here after
the harry Lake incident, and this was just a couple
of months ago, I was up with Dicky Prairie, which
is the Malia River corridor where one of the big
fires just ripped through a few years ago. And I'm
at a place called Horse Creek, which is a very
very well knowing Bigfoot hot spot up there above the corridor. Well,
I always look on the sides of the roads. I mean,
I I'm a very observational person, if you know what
I mean. I'm always looking for indentions when we're driving on, like,
you know, see if anything ripped up the hillside alongside
the road. I just try to pick out all the
small things. Right. So we're driving and I tell my buddy,
I'm like, slow down, slow down. I'm like, I see
some indenttions here alongside the road. He's like, oh, there's
nothing up here, dude. I'm like, I'm like, buddy, I'm like,
you're sitting on your couch all day. I'm like, come on, man,
I'm like, don't tell me what's up here. And he's like, okay,
you know, so slowed down, let me get out. Well,
I found fifteen inch to sixteen inches indentions. And I
also found with thing put its hand in the hillside
to you know, get some get some leverage, right right,
next to those fifteen inch tracts were little seven inchtracks.
No pictures, man, they did. They couldn't even come out
because the way the sun was and the way the duck,
you know. So it's like, and I don't have to
prove anything to anybody, you know, if you don't believe
me and take me at my face value, you know,
and I don't really have time for you, you know. So, uh,
that was interesting. The tracks led up to this little point.
It was very steep, and it looked like they had
sat there. Now my guess is that they were maybe
looking for deer. I don't know. These were not put
person footprints. The weight that where these footprints were I
had to been five six hundred pounds, man. I mean
we hadn't had much rain up there recently, so, I mean,
just so many things I kind of, you know, dug
out before. I'm thinking they're big footprints. It's not like
I go directly to bigfoot, you know, I'm thinking, Okay,
maybe it could have been a hunter, could have been
somebody that walked up there to take a leak. You know.
I don't know, But now that I think about it,
I'm pretty dang sure there were squashed prints. So I
get home, look up Horse Creek area. Cliff barrickman of
finding Bigfoot, was up in that area about a year before.
Well no, no, it was a couple of years before,
and a lady had had a sighting of a big
foot crossing the road, probably about maybe a mile down
from this. These footprints that I found. Anyways, the footprints
that he had casted were fifteen inch prints and that's
about the seeing. The ones I measured were about sixteen
fifteen and a half to sixteen, So I figured, well
about a year later, a couple of years later, foot
grew about an inch. That makes maybe sense, you know.
So we go up there two days later to the
same area because I want to see if those prints
are still there. And I got my phone and everything,
and you know, I'm just ready to you know, not
get proof for other people, just to put it in
my portfolio, if you know what I mean. And uh,
there's burned ridges all up that area. They go to
about three four or five thousand feet alongside that corridor there,
and I'm looking directly across from where I had found
the prints and up on this ridge across from the
Walla River and up on a ridge about it was
probably about a good half mile, you know, something to
where you can at least make out what's up on
a ridge, but you can't quite see what it is. Well,
there was two burnt furs up there, huge, huge, They
were just standing like sentinels, you know. And I see
something out of place up there, and it's a black object.
This thing had to be ten feet tall, eight eighteen
feet tall. The thing starts walking around, Okay, could have
been a hiker. I'm not sure. I'm still I didn't
do my due diligence and checked to see if there's
any trails in that specific area. But from what I
saw it do, it walked a couple of circles and
then walked over the ridge. That's when I knew it wasn't.
That's you know, the stumps I was looking at because
I stared at it because I was like, cause I
a stump or is that a you know? It blended
in so low. Well, on the way back down went
up to we went up to table rock and stuff,
hung out for a little bit, and then we came
back down the corridor. I'm looking on that same ridge
because I'm like, slow down, slow, down, buddy. Yo, there's
my buddy. There's nothing up here, you know. Okay, bro,
Well I see it again, but this time it's down
the ridge a little further and basically did the same thing,
kind of looked act like he was looking around. He
slowed down enough for me to see it for about
six to eight seconds, and then it disappears over the
ridge again. I didn't I didn't say anything to him.
I don't want him thinking, you know, it's not about
being like crazy, it's just said. I don't on him
thinking like I'm more you know, smart, smarter than people,
or like more observational. I just keep things to myself sometimes.
So it's very interesting. Brother. You know, we have such
rich law around here. Rich law. Yeah, it just blows
my mind. Then that Devin do Beck that was missing.
Speaker 2: I was going to bring that up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I mean that that first signing that where
we had where we were screamed at that first time.
Had it been maybe half a mile from where Devin
do Beck.
Speaker 2: Was, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I was looking at the map and I was like, man,
that's close, Like it's not that far away. If I'm
looking at the right area, which you're when you're talking
about Harriet Lake that's over by Ripplebrook area.
Speaker 3: Brother, Yep, going towards the lake, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Uh my goodness.
Speaker 1: There are so many things you can read on Oregon
Bigfoot dot com about that area. You can read the
Oregon Bigfoot Highway book by Joe Bieler.
Speaker 3: Oh, Joe Bieler, you should he lives right down the
road for me, basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh my goodness, I am convinced.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Actually, first, whenever I have conversations like this, I always
try to put in a thing where it's like because
I know people listen to this show and they're like,
I'm going to go check it out. Guys, like the
areas that Derek is talking about, like Table Rock Wilderness
and like Ripple Brook Harriet Lake, Like, you do not
just go into these areas. You need to read the
Oregon big Foot Highway. It's very unforgiving place. You need
to have extra gas, extra tires, Like it is wild
out there, and stuff happens and people go, they get
lost and worse recently, as we just discussed, unfortunately, there
are things that happen up in that area, and there's
a lot, a lot of bigfoot activity over the years.
It's you do not play around with the goals.
Speaker 3: No, brother, And if the forest alone will eat you up.
So if it's not our thirty thousand black bears we
have in the state, if it's not our seven thousand cougars,
if it's not you know, or if it's not the
maybe one hundred squats, a couple hundred squats we have,
something's gonna get you. Whether it's the hillside you're gonna
fall down it or I mean, yeah, So definitely use
extreme caution if you're ever going to you know, make
sure you have good walking shoes, make sure your one
foot is solidly in the ground before you take another step.
There's just certain precautions you have to take up here,
because man, it's very easy for things to go sideways.
Some of these roads you drive on, you know, Jeremiah,
I mean I know, you know, Oakred, Jerry and all that.
Some of these logging roads, brother, are you know straight down?
It's funny I was reading one of your one of
the ladies comments that was over your Oakridge video, and
she was saying, or no, you were saying that the
fires are making them uncontrollable down there. In the Eugene area. Brother,
there have been ten fifteen different fires probably in the
past ten years. It's funny. Up here in Portland, we
haven't had much of a deficit ragin. But you go
just south of Portland, Seattle, or I mean not Seattle,
but Salem, Eugene, they've been very dry these past ten
fifteen years. So yeah, there's been a lot of fires
Eugene area. Oak Ridge, Man, is just unbelievable. I've heard
of so many stories MacCready springs up there. It's just
it's amazing. Brother, But I want to bring it back
to the sound of what we heard. There's no way
you can emulate what we heard. There's just no way.
That scream was something that I will never be able
to forget. And if I have to go up there
every day after this, it feels so good to let
this out on a channel that I feel respected. You know,
it's such a good community you have, bro Like, you'll
get your occasional troll but like everybody's respectful on the comments.
Everybody like it's just a beautiful thing what you've got.
And uh, you know you need that, especially when you
feel like an outlier and you I mean Man, I've
known people that have hunted all their lives, but just
because they didn't come across something, or maybe they weren't
even very observational, you know, because knowing these people that
have told me they never found anything, you know, aren't
the most observational people. So you know, but there's just
so many things that blow my mind about this being
ridiculed and over just something that just because somebody hasn't
seen it. Oh it's not really. I'm just we need
to change, whether it's people, if we want to. If
we want to, we need to start believing each other.
We need to start giving people benefit of the doubt,
I mean, the way we treat each other. And that
just goes on to the Bigfoot thing of people not
believing or UFOs or whatever you're seeing. You know, I've
had a couple of experiences with the UFOs, but I
don't know. It could have been satellite from things like that,
so I'm you know, I'm not about to step into
that portal.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, it's UFOs are So it's such a
it's a tricky subject because like you said, there's there's
so many things up there in the sky right now,
with like Starlink and all that stuff, and you just
got to really know what's up there. But man, this
the whole area you're talking about, Like I am convinced.
After So, I was down in oak Ridge and then
I drove up to hang out with frankn Easter Rest
in Peace, just the Cata area, and I didn't even
touch the Oregon Big for Highway, and just going through Detroit,
I was like, Oh my goodness, Like what am I doing?
This is absolutely nuts. I Detroit was weird because it
was the one area where I stopped and I was
talking to people and it was extremely evident that they
did not want to talk about anything weird. And it
was just like, I've never gotten a vibe in Oregon
or out there where it's like you need to leave,
like right now, like.
Speaker 2: Just get out.
Speaker 1: And it was probably the California plates on my rental.
Speaker 2: But that could do it.
Speaker 3: That could do it.
Speaker 1: Brother, the next time, no California plates. But do you so,
do you ever go up you know, we're talking about
Lake Harriet and Ripple Brook and stuff. Do you ever
go up and hang out in the area closer to
Mount Hood like your your zigzag and Welch's and that
whole area for.
Speaker 3: Sure, for sure, always up you know Lolo Pass.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I go up.
Speaker 3: I just Trillium Lake, Still Creek Campground. There are so
many areas, brother, up mountain Hood. It's amazing, brother, it
really is. Jeremiah. If you ever plan on leaving, you're
in Iowa, right or yeah, okay, you ever plan on
leaving there, brother, there's always a place in Oregon. We
always got a place an organ for you, brother, because yeah, yeah,
mount Hood is definitely a stomping ground for me. I
just try to go everywhere. I guess, more places we go,
more place, you know, more chances we have of you know,
having that luck. But it's amazing. It's amazing, drem I
I tell you, it's really skewed my my view of things,
you know, because I remember the timber wars we had
back when I was younger, and these timber wars were
taking place right up where I had my first and
second encounter and third encounter, literally right up on those
same roads where those environment mineralists were blocking them the
roads off, sleeping up in trees. This happened back in
like the early nineties, you know what I mean, where
it was a spotted out controversy. See, and they basically
abruptly shut down logging up in all of our national forests,
turned our national forests into just a bunch of dead
snags and things. But what's funny is about that is
you know, you wonder if a spotted out can shut
down logging. Uh, you just wonder, And why we don't
even if this thing, even if the government doesn't believe people,
I believe, we still need to have some things in
place here. I mean, you've got Scamania County, which is
right across the river from US, and they're the only
county in the United States to have actually a law
again shooting a big foot brother. And I've been up
in that area. I've stayed up there, and oh that's squatchy, man.
I mean, I can just imagine Bigfoot up there on
the Washington side and he just crosses the river over
he to Oregon, and he just goes up to Mount Hood,
kicks it for a little bit and crosses the river back. Oh.
You know, I mean, I don't know, bro, they got
a good imagination, especially with the experiences I've had. You know,
it's not that our Pictureum, you know, just uh, but
one thing I don't want to happen is, you know, uh,
a lot of people. There's already so many people up
in the mountains, brother, I feel they're being very you know,
pushed in the areas they don't want to go. We've
had a lot of fires lately, taken a lot of
their habitat. If you sit and look at a map
of fires in the past ten years in northern Oregon, Man,
it could be another ten twenty years, Jeremiah. And if
if the climate keeps doing what it's doing and we
don't take care of our forests, well, they could be
burned all the way from the west slopes of the Cascade,
from Colton, Esticada, you know, Detroit Lake area, all there
could be a fire that rips all the way across
the cascades. Brother, it could be to that point in
the next.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, yep. I'm having people reach out already
where they're like, because there's fires already, and these are
people that are not in this saraily wanting to come
on the show, but they're like, man, I'm near this
certain fire and there is crazy Bigfoot activity happening, and
it's just like when these fires happened it just it.
It gets the wildlife moving around, and stuff can get
really crazy, which is why I think. You know, the
first time I went to Oakridge, there are fires all
around the town and that's why we had extreme activity
as opposed to the second time. It was a totally
different case and there was activity but not not a
ton of it, but there weren't fires around at that
at that time. So have you ever just just curious
because you're from the area, have you ever watched the
Drumming for Bigfoot documentary from.
Speaker 3: The Night of Franzoni?
Speaker 2: Right or yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah that.
Speaker 1: And you may already know this, but some of that
was filmed an Esticada, like the part with the older
gentleman who lives in the trailer, like that's up in uh,
that's up in Esticado.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe he was drumming around Scookham Lake. I
think it was.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's where. That's where fran Zoni was. But uh,
that's that's such a good documentary. If people haven't haven't
watched that? And and also I really like Estercada. Have
you do you keep up to date with I have
a friend who interviews people about Bigfoot in that area. Oregon,
bigfoot fades.
Speaker 3: Blonde girl. Yeah for sure, sure, yeah, oh yeah, yet
she's you know, you guys are doing God's work, brother, you.
Speaker 2: Know, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Trying to trying to so, man, I did want to
ask a few specific questions. So the sighting you had,
how far away was that?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 1: Would you estimate that it was up there? You were
looking at it?
Speaker 3: The one at Horse Creek? It had to been old brother,
it was. It was. We were on like I said,
about a half a mile three quarters of a mile
up on the ridge there. We were at an elevation
at about about fifteen hundred feet. He had to be
about i'd say three thirty five hundred feet up on
a up on a higher ridge. Brother, I the more
I think about it, No, that wasn't a hiker, you know.
I got to quit telling my stuff that myself that
because you know, your mind have played tricks on you.
But I know what I saw. I just sometimes I
wonder why me, you know, because it's really strange, am
I Some sometimes people go their lives without like really
experiencing any kind of I just don't know, but I had.
I had a very hard time past I'd say six
months just trying to you know, stomach everything that I've experienced,
because I you know, sometimes I'm like, what's the message like?
But I've had some very profound experiences also with other things,
So I just chalk it up to that just maybe
I'm a special type of person. I try to respect
people as much as I can and no judgment. Who
am I to judge anybody? And I just try to
live a you know, keep my side of the street
clean and uh that way. Next time I do have
an experience, hopefully people will, hopefully my family and things
will believe me more right. I mean, it's it's a yeah, sure,
it's a very funny thing. Buddy. They'll listen to you,
but then they'll just walk away, and it's like a
repy not trying to make you a believe. I just
need to get this off my chest because it's driving
me insane. Basically, I look up reports all the time
and stuff. It's really an obsession, is what it's became.
But yeah, it's funny, you know, reading that book when
I was younger, and not, like I said, it's not
like I really it's not like I believe it. I
just kind of thought it was a fairy tale really
until like I said, ten, ten, fifteen years later, I'm
up in that same area and uh yeah, get the
shot of my life. Brother. Amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, And
I will never forget any of any of these experiences
that I've had, and I just hope to have more.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that area that you're talking about
in Malala is close to Man, there was this one
interview I did a while back whereas an older gentleman
and he was telling this story about being up on
that road at a campsite and they were like pretty
much one chased them into their campsite. Wild wild stuff,
but just that, man, the stories you hear that happened
in that area are are pretty intense. Have you ever
heard any crazy stories around the Malala area or Oregon
Bigfoot Highway?
Speaker 2: Anything weird that.
Speaker 1: That that sticks out to you? And if not, that's
that's no sweat.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, brother, Oh yeah. One of the first during
high school, you know, after reading the books and everything,
when I was younger and then I had a buddy
that they were there were a bunch of bunch of
my friends partying up on Goat Mountain, which is where
Frank k would have, well, you know, find all the
track cast and everything. Well they're up there, it's two
thirty in the morning. They're basically doing the same thing
that I was, making a bunch of whoops and you know,
being stupid. Basically, well, I guess the tree got pushed
over on the campfire, put the dang thing out. Everybody
left within a split second. There was no screams or anything,
but they hurt something rushing around, rattling around the brush.
But yeah, next thing, you know, they said it was
a pretty good sized snag just got pushed over and
basically right onto the fire. Made it just boom boom,
and all the ashes, you know, all the sparks went everywhere,
and I guess they were out. But Goat Mountain is
another area that I've had. You know, you found some
strict stick structures and things like that. Never been screamed
that up there or anything. But like I said, Goat
mount is probably the way the crow flies, maybe a
mile or two from where I've where I had my
other experiences. So yeah, either it's a very territorial couple
of them up there, or we have no idea and
there could be like you know, I don't know, you know,
I said, and I think about what the population would
be in Oregon, you know, and I wouldn't assume it'd
be more than a few hundred animals, you know, like, well,
squatch is what I'm talking about, right exactly? You know
they're not. I mean, it was a really thing, can't
trail He just passed Tom Cantreill. The things I was
watching on his video there on the flash and beauty
of how he was saying that he actually they took
him up into the mountains and showed him where they met,
and he said there was up to eighteen adults in
sitting in the circle. And so what they would do
in Washington, what he was saying they were doing was
they would the sentinel, the big guy would tell him
which way to go to go find mates. So you
would send some to Oregon, I guess, well south, he
would send some north and he would just you know,
these things are much more intelligent when we'll ever know. Brother,
I have a feeling they're like an ancient human from
all the descriptions that I read. The brow line, the
the way the lips are, I mean, it just really
sounds to me it could almost be like a just
just an ancient human. Brother, That's that's all I can
pinpoint to two. I don't believe this is a gorilla
and maybe maybe part gorilla my hybrid type thing, but
it's not. No, this thing, this thing is very intelligent, brother.
I tell you. It's very obsessied. It's very It makes
me very obsessive feeling. But I don't think it's a
bad thing. I think I could have other worst things
that are that I'm obsessed about, if you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1: So uh oh, totally yeah, yeah, this is not the
worst thing. Definitely to be obsessed about it. It's so
to soapbox for a minute. I am convinced after visiting
out there. Not I haven't even camped out there yet
at hopefully someday that will happen. But man, dude, I
was I don't talk about this all. I was supposed
to go camping with Frank Kineister, like we were going
to do like expeditions out there, and then life took
him too quick.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I was like, just that's heartbreaking. But I am convinced
that this area es de Caada Malala. And then you've
got mount Hood, like, oh, there's a reason Cliff is there,
like it is going to be discovered there. And Frank
was so close.
Speaker 3: He was so close, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't even know you know, yep, But yeah,
it's it's gonna happen out there for sure. It's because man,
like you go up where rhododendron and welches are and
then it's crazy because like you can take that road
from where's it Welches and like it kind of goes
into that wilderness and then it's like all bets.
Speaker 2: Are off, all bets are off.
Speaker 1: You had that sighting that Cliff just talked about within
the last few months on that golf course, right Welches, right,
And I mean like, yeah, it's because you're you're putting
civilization down on this wedge into the wilderness. It's crazy,
it is, But I think I think it's going to
be around that area. Oh well, then you got bull
Run is crazy as well.
Speaker 3: The whole bull Run bull Run brother, let me tell
you the watershed up there's protected. Nobody's let in there
except the workers. I've read. I've read several stories of
bull Run workers where they've either heard I I haven't
really seen any that they had said they had seen
a site they had had actual sighting, but it's so
thick in there, man. The only way you're really going
to see one is if it runs right across the
road in front of you. What's funny about Cliff Berrickman
was that he had called me. This my first sighting
when I got well, not sighting, but when I got
screamed that that first time I had called Cliff and
he had not done finding Bigfoot yet, he was just
starting to do it, and he called me. He had
called me and he's like, hey, you know, if you
can take me up there, I'm going to be doing
a show, and you know, blah blah blah. Well, I
said and thought about it for a minute, and I
was like, you know what if I do this, there's
going to be a thousand people up there. I don't
want this guy. I don't want this girl or guy
whatever it was of screamed at me. I don't want
him bugged. You know, I wouldn't want to be bugged
if I was up there. I just want to be
sitting in my ferns and looking at the trees and
waiting for a deer to come by so I can
break its neck, you know, Another theory on how they
hunt real quick is uh, I believe they hunt pairs
and one like they basically funnel him now and then
I believe they use like drag him down kind of
like grab onto the neck. I don't know. I've had
a vision to where like they put all their wait
onto the neck, drag the animal down, either grab him
by the horn or the ears, maybe the ears because
the ears are sensitive, and just pull down. And you know,
I've had a vision of the big old squatches breaking
up Elk's neck was like with no problem at all.
The handprint, brother, I forgot to go back to that,
the handprint that I found in the side of the
hillside there at Horse Creek next to those fifteen inch prints. Brother,
that hand was twice the size of mine at least
so and there had been no raining up there, like
I said, for yeah a long time. So yeah, Jeremiah,
I don't know. It's just like I said, it's great
to have a channel like yours to where I can
listen to like minded stories and not feel so such
feel like an outsider. And yeah, brother, I love listening
to like all your like you have so many Sandy
Oregon and scatpoos and ray in ears, so many stories from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's near.
Speaker 1: Yeah, has a story to be told, Yes, one day,
and I hope I am the one that gets to
be able to tell it. Yeah, there is a developing
story on multiple fronts in or near Oregon. Right now,
we'll leave it at that. One more question for you, Derek,
just just in case something hits. Do you know anything?
Have you heard any accounts from the Lolo Pass area? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, buddy, there's a there's a man who
rides horses up there. I can't remember Northwest Sasquatch Studies. Wait,
he's been on your show, bro, Gary, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
the guy dude, he's like, well, he's like he's kind
of like I feel like me, like we draw him
in or something like. It's it's just a strange thing
how these people we can have so many experiences, and
some people will go ten lifetimes and never have even
one experience. So it just makes me wonder, is it
a frequency I'm given? Like I don't know, I really
don't know whether, but yeah, Lolo Pass is a hot
dad brother.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Uh you got Sandy Ridge up in that area, you
got uh the power lines. Just basically a tip for
everybody before I go here is just drive forest roads,
look for game trails, look for look for messed up
uh you know, vegetation along the side of the road,
and just follow it. You know, make your own trail.
Don't if you're if you're planning on finding bigfoot, I wouldn't.
Uh you know, you'll see them on a trail that's
heavily used. But I just think if you make your
own trail and do you know, you know, do your
own due diligence, and I think you'd be a lot more.
And the other thing about the camera thing, Oh why
we had a picture. Well, you know what, bro, I
don't really see somebody being like, hey, Bigfoot, can you
stand there for a second smile. We're probably so enamored
with what we're seeing. I mean the eye content. I mean, dude,
I've I've been told from some Indian friends, warm Spring
Indian Reservation friends that I have. It's on the east
side of mountain Hood. They told me, you know, their elders,
uh no eye contact. They would open their hands out
like this kind of like a no threat. Uh no threat.
You know, don't your posture, make sure your posture, stoopid,
don't don't bluff yourself up any Just act like he's
the boss, which he is, and let him do his thing. Uh. Yeah, brother,
there's just so much stuff besides my own experiences of
friends and stories and things like that. Yeah, it's pretty amazing, bro, you.
Speaker 1: Got to incredible. It's just it's it's such a fun.
If your life can intersect with that area and you're
into Bigfoot, you will have memories that will last forever.
Speaker 3: Oh brother, the.
Speaker 1: Woods, the woods will teach you something. Just please be
careful and don't go out by yourself unless you're like
Grizzly Adams there. I really wouldn't recommend it yet now
this channel does not recommend it. But but Derek, it
has been such a pleasure talking to you. Thank you
so much for hanging out with me today and it's
just been a great conversation about about the Pacific Northwest
and the mystery of Bigfoot in what you've experienced. And
thank you so much for coming on today, sir.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jeremiah much love my brother, Thank you so much.
I'll leave, you'll see my comments and I'll leave your
best wishes and we'll keep watching.
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