1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,839 Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,639 In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to 3 00:00:05,679 --> 00:00:08,400 bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've 4 00:00:08,439 --> 00:00:12,759 seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,719 to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,719 and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. 7 00:00:20,719 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: These are the. 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, 9 00:00:24,879 --> 00:00:28,359 because today you'll hear another account that just might change 10 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:30,160 the way you see the woods forever. 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,239 Speaker 2: So stay with us. 12 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,679 fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey, 14 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:42,359 please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes. 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,399 Thank you all right, Big for Society got the privilege 16 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:50,000 of talking to Derek today. Derek is a fisherman, outdoorsman 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,520 out there in the great area of the Pacific Northwest, 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,359 specifically Oregon, and he's got some interesting things that he's 19 00:00:57,399 --> 00:00:59,719 going to share today. We've been trying to set this 20 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:02,159 up for a while, so I'm glad that we're able 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,519 to get Derek on the show. And welcome to the show, Derek, 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:07,480 how are you today, sir? 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 3: Doing good? My brother, Jeremiah, thank you for asking you. 24 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:13,120 How about you? 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,799 Speaker 1: You know I'm doing good, you know as a time 26 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,799 of time of recording, because I do these ahead of time. 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: So right now. 28 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: We just had the first meeting with the on cologists yesterday. 29 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,640 We figured out, you know, we got eighty percent survival chance. 30 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,239 We're gonna go for it. We're gonna we're gonna beat it. 31 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:38,159 And uh and uh. There's there's a lot of treatment 32 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,680 coming up, probably in the next few weeks, and there's 33 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:42,680 a few steps before we get there. But God is 34 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:44,120 good and he is in control. 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,879 Speaker 3: So God is that's what we're at, Derek. You just 36 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,239 take your time getting back, brother, no rush, Just just 37 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:50,560 make sure your health is number one. 38 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: Brother, Yes, sir, So thank you, Derek. 39 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:56,359 Speaker 1: So so, Derek, is there anything else that you would 40 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,760 like to let the listeners know before we get into 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,120 your experiences? 42 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:06,879 Speaker 3: Were basically the woods are alive, buddy, you know, So 43 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,360 that's that's all I'm going to say there. 44 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: I love it. 45 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: It is so true, especially you know, I've been privileged 46 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,400 to go out to your area of the US a 47 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,680 few times, and man, when you get out there. 48 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,039 Speaker 2: The woods are a live Oh. 49 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 3: I've seen your Frank K videos. I've seen all your 50 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:29,360 organ videos. Brother. I definitely keep up on what you 51 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:30,039 do there. Brother. 52 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good time. 53 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:38,439 Speaker 1: So so, Derek, you know, bring us back to there 54 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,240 must have been a time in your life out there 55 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,680 when you realize there is something else going on in 56 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:47,280 the woods or is it something where you've just you've 57 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:49,719 grown up there and you've always known that there was 58 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:53,000 something else, something that may be bigfoot out there. 59 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: Oh oh definitely. Just you know, driving up there when 60 00:02:56,439 --> 00:02:59,919 I was younger, not hard for me to imagine that 61 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:03,319 at all. I one of the first books I ever 62 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:09,120 read was John green Sasquatch The Apes among Us. I 63 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:10,840 wasn't a believer back then when I was a kid. 64 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:13,000 I just liked to read about animals and you know, 65 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,439 deer Elk, you know, whatever you'd give me, I'll read. 66 00:03:17,039 --> 00:03:20,039 But you know, so I read that book and it 67 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:26,120 had a lot of the loggers experiences up above Malala Colton, Esticada, 68 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,319 the Glenn Thomas report there, of the digging up on 69 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:35,520 Tarzan Springs area, just you know a lot of a 70 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,680 lot of things that drew me. Uh my Grandpa built 71 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:43,280 roads for a guy named deird Orf up above Malala 72 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,800 back in the day he was up he owned a 73 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,280 lot of tracks of land up there, and Grandpa was 74 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:51,080 always so adamant, Oh there's nothing up there, no bigfoot, 75 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:53,960 no bigfoot. Well, now that I'm older, I almost wonder 76 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,199 if that's what he was told to say. But so, 77 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:00,479 you know that that kind of started it off. It 78 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,680 didn't make me a believer, just kind of opened my 79 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:08,680 eyes to things. Fast forward when I was about thirteen 80 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,240 fourteen when I read the book so fast forward about 81 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:18,279 ten years. Always went up Esticada Colton, Wala, probably daily, 82 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,040 especially when the evening hit. I just like to go 83 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:23,360 take drives up on the forest roads, you know, get 84 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:27,040 up to a viewpoint, sit, you know, just relax. Good 85 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:31,240 way to relieve the stress. So yeah, we were making 86 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:36,199 daily trips up above Esticada Colton, not looking for Bigfoot, 87 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,959 you know, just just me and my girlfriend just rolling. 88 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,199 You know, a lot of stress in our lives, so 89 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,920 that was a good way to get rid of it. 90 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:48,720 So one night, after being to the same spot for 91 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:55,040 probably a couple of weeks, every night at least we 92 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,800 were rolling up top of this hill. It's about ten 93 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,800 miles outside of Esticado, Oregon. The logging roads, galower clearcuts, 94 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:08,120 big old growth on the ridges, just just beautiful. Get 95 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:12,680 up to the top of this turnaround, Corey, and it 96 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,959 was like a bolt of lightning. I don't know if there, 97 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,199 if mama had a baby up there or something, but 98 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,079 the scream. She had to have been probably twenty feet 99 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:28,399 away from us. It was the most earth shattering the 100 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,920 vibration of my chest from this thing just screaming. I 101 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:35,399 mean it was. It was amazing. My girlfriend turned to me, 102 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,959 she says, go, I put my truck in the reverse 103 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,839 er spin out. I mean, I used to all animals, 104 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,639 so for me to freak out o where a scream 105 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:48,000 was just childish, right. So once we started going back 106 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,160 down the mountain, she's like, what do you think that was? 107 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,639 And I said, oh, I know exactly what that was. 108 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,639 I know elk, I know Wolf, I know cougar screams. 109 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,959 You can't kid this one. That was definitely something that 110 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,279 has not been recorded. My brother. It was like a 111 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:09,399 World War two siren, yet like guttural and like almost 112 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,759 breathing in while it was. It was just the most 113 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,959 amazing sound you're ever gonna hear, so that made me crazy. 114 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,720 I went back up there the next day. I looked 115 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:22,680 on the side of the hillside where the scream had 116 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,480 emanated from, and it was tore up. There was something 117 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:31,639 hanging out in that area. Holes dug inside of the hillside, 118 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:37,639 like something was just digging for something. I found several indentions, impressions, 119 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:45,199 not quite footprints, but you know, indentions. So fast forward 120 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,279 a few years later, I'm at Harriet Lake, which is 121 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,920 just i'd say three ridges over from the place where 122 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,040 we got screamed at. And if you know the big man, 123 00:06:56,519 --> 00:07:00,279 three ridges over is not much for him to you know, 124 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,079 cover with, you know, fifty inch stripes. Right. So, like 125 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,800 I said, a few years later, at a campsite, we 126 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,279 just got done trout fishing. I'm cooking my trout on 127 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:14,480 the fire. We're surrounded in the cathedral of old growth 128 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,680 and there's a hillside that shoots up from the back 129 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,120 of the campsite and it's just basically straight almost, with 130 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:27,439 a bunch of dead trees down trees, you know how 131 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:33,319 the Oregon woods are. So we're cooking our trout and 132 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:36,040 my girlfriend says, hey, hey, Derek, trying to make one 133 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:38,560 of those sounds we heard a little while back up 134 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,800 there on that mountain, and I'm like, no, I'm not 135 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:42,959 going to try to do that. I really couldn't emulate that. 136 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:44,639 So I'm like, I'll just try to do some chicken 137 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,160 noises and we'll just see what happens. It was dusk, 138 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:51,160 about eight eight thirty summertime, so the sun was just 139 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:53,800 starting to go down up there in the mountains. And 140 00:07:55,639 --> 00:07:57,600 made a couple of chicken noises. It was just a 141 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:01,319 bugock bagock bagot goofing around, not even trying to, you know, 142 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:04,000 just seeing, you know, seeing what I can do here. 143 00:08:04,839 --> 00:08:08,600 But then one second of me making that noise, a 144 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,199 tree was pushed over. Okay, now this isn't some little snag, 145 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:17,519 This isn't some little little tree. I mean, this tree 146 00:08:17,519 --> 00:08:22,480 had to have been six inches eight inches in diameter. 147 00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:25,079 I'm a firm believer that they know where all the 148 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,839 dead trees are. They know their environments so well. It's 149 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,519 kind of like us in our room, right, we know 150 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,200 if anything's out of place. These things are masters of 151 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:40,399 what they do. Hunting pairs, man. I mean, I tell 152 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,759 you they wonder where we don't find any bones. Well 153 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:45,840 more than likely they're traveling in groups. You just don't. 154 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,039 When you see one, you're not gonna see more than 155 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,960 likely two or three. They're just hiding in the bushes, 156 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:52,840 right or whatever. But I'm a firm believer that's why 157 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,679 we don't find any bones is because they travel in pairs, 158 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,120 and when one dies, it's a burial sort of like 159 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,919 a human or vice versa. I mean, you know how 160 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,480 bones get scattered in the woods so quickly. I mean 161 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:10,320 it coyotes, vultures, raccoons, I mean things like that. So 162 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:12,600 for people to bring stuff like that, well, there's there's 163 00:09:12,639 --> 00:09:15,679 no big foot because we don't find bones. And it's 164 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:18,840 it's it's very funny to me, So go back to 165 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:25,840 the tree cracking thing. Amazing. She looks at me again, says, 166 00:09:25,879 --> 00:09:29,240 we're out. I had my whole tint set up, our 167 00:09:29,399 --> 00:09:32,639 our ice shed, my freaking nice ice chest I just bought. 168 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,679 We had we had everything set out, all our food 169 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,559 on the picnic table, and we were out. I didn't 170 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,639 even bother to pick up any of that stuff. We 171 00:09:40,799 --> 00:09:42,919 just got ran to the car, out to the tree 172 00:09:42,919 --> 00:09:46,799 fell and we were out. Because just the prior experiences, 173 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:50,600 you know, it's pretty pretty weird. And I didn't hear 174 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,600 a scream that time or anything. It was just the 175 00:09:53,639 --> 00:09:56,559 tree being pushed over, literally and not even a second 176 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:02,559 after I stopped my calls. So that was interesting. This 177 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,679 tree was big. I walked up there. I went up 178 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:09,000 there about a month ago just to see what that 179 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,799 hillside was like. I hadn't made it up there for 180 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,960 a few years. And wow, that hillside was tore up. 181 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,600 There was something up there. Man. I didn't find any 182 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,279 footprints up there either, but it's kind of hard man 183 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,039 in this when you got the forest floor like we 184 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,159 have here in Oregon, you gotta get real lucky to 185 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:27,360 find a footprint. So that was pretty crazy. Walked up there, 186 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,960 checked it out, and I was like, Okay, I could 187 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,240 definitely see a squatch up here, So that's pretty crazy 188 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,960 about and then I, you know, ever since those experiences, 189 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,080 just I've talked to many of people in the area 190 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:44,279 up here, many friends whose dad has been screened at 191 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:47,919 or pushed out of a campsite or basically saying things 192 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,519 that have happened to me. So fast forward here after 193 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,720 the harry Lake incident, and this was just a couple 194 00:10:54,759 --> 00:10:56,799 of months ago, I was up with Dicky Prairie, which 195 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:01,799 is the Malia River corridor where one of the big 196 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,600 fires just ripped through a few years ago. And I'm 197 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,279 at a place called Horse Creek, which is a very 198 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:15,879 very well knowing Bigfoot hot spot up there above the corridor. Well, 199 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,559 I always look on the sides of the roads. I mean, 200 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,159 I I'm a very observational person, if you know what 201 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,480 I mean. I'm always looking for indentions when we're driving on, like, 202 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:30,240 you know, see if anything ripped up the hillside alongside 203 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,080 the road. I just try to pick out all the 204 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,879 small things. Right. So we're driving and I tell my buddy, 205 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:38,320 I'm like, slow down, slow down. I'm like, I see 206 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,360 some indenttions here alongside the road. He's like, oh, there's 207 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,279 nothing up here, dude. I'm like, I'm like, buddy, I'm like, 208 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,519 you're sitting on your couch all day. I'm like, come on, man, 209 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,000 I'm like, don't tell me what's up here. And he's like, okay, 210 00:11:51,039 --> 00:11:53,879 you know, so slowed down, let me get out. Well, 211 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:59,279 I found fifteen inch to sixteen inches indentions. And I 212 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,720 also found with thing put its hand in the hillside 213 00:12:02,159 --> 00:12:06,919 to you know, get some get some leverage, right right, 214 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,639 next to those fifteen inch tracts were little seven inchtracks. 215 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,279 No pictures, man, they did. They couldn't even come out 216 00:12:14,279 --> 00:12:16,519 because the way the sun was and the way the duck, 217 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,480 you know. So it's like, and I don't have to 218 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,039 prove anything to anybody, you know, if you don't believe 219 00:12:21,039 --> 00:12:23,200 me and take me at my face value, you know, 220 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,519 and I don't really have time for you, you know. So, uh, 221 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:31,840 that was interesting. The tracks led up to this little point. 222 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:34,200 It was very steep, and it looked like they had 223 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,960 sat there. Now my guess is that they were maybe 224 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,480 looking for deer. I don't know. These were not put 225 00:12:40,519 --> 00:12:46,200 person footprints. The weight that where these footprints were I 226 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,639 had to been five six hundred pounds, man. I mean 227 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,039 we hadn't had much rain up there recently, so, I mean, 228 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,519 just so many things I kind of, you know, dug 229 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,519 out before. I'm thinking they're big footprints. It's not like 230 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,320 I go directly to bigfoot, you know, I'm thinking, Okay, 231 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,320 maybe it could have been a hunter, could have been 232 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:06,879 somebody that walked up there to take a leak. You know. 233 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,960 I don't know, But now that I think about it, 234 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,639 I'm pretty dang sure there were squashed prints. So I 235 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:17,200 get home, look up Horse Creek area. Cliff barrickman of 236 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:22,519 finding Bigfoot, was up in that area about a year before. 237 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:24,639 Well no, no, it was a couple of years before, 238 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,360 and a lady had had a sighting of a big 239 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,720 foot crossing the road, probably about maybe a mile down 240 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,759 from this. These footprints that I found. Anyways, the footprints 241 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:40,600 that he had casted were fifteen inch prints and that's 242 00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:44,559 about the seeing. The ones I measured were about sixteen 243 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,559 fifteen and a half to sixteen, So I figured, well 244 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,240 about a year later, a couple of years later, foot 245 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,559 grew about an inch. That makes maybe sense, you know. 246 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,159 So we go up there two days later to the 247 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,399 same area because I want to see if those prints 248 00:13:59,399 --> 00:14:01,600 are still there. And I got my phone and everything, 249 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,279 and you know, I'm just ready to you know, not 250 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,080 get proof for other people, just to put it in 251 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:10,840 my portfolio, if you know what I mean. And uh, 252 00:14:10,919 --> 00:14:13,440 there's burned ridges all up that area. They go to 253 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:19,679 about three four or five thousand feet alongside that corridor there, 254 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,200 and I'm looking directly across from where I had found 255 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,480 the prints and up on this ridge across from the 256 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:29,919 Walla River and up on a ridge about it was 257 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:35,879 probably about a good half mile, you know, something to 258 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:37,519 where you can at least make out what's up on 259 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:40,080 a ridge, but you can't quite see what it is. Well, 260 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,000 there was two burnt furs up there, huge, huge, They 261 00:14:44,039 --> 00:14:48,200 were just standing like sentinels, you know. And I see 262 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,279 something out of place up there, and it's a black object. 263 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:53,919 This thing had to be ten feet tall, eight eighteen 264 00:14:53,919 --> 00:14:58,200 feet tall. The thing starts walking around, Okay, could have 265 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,320 been a hiker. I'm not sure. I'm still I didn't 266 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,080 do my due diligence and checked to see if there's 267 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,519 any trails in that specific area. But from what I 268 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:09,799 saw it do, it walked a couple of circles and 269 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,559 then walked over the ridge. That's when I knew it wasn't. 270 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,519 That's you know, the stumps I was looking at because 271 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:18,679 I stared at it because I was like, cause I 272 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:20,960 a stump or is that a you know? It blended 273 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,360 in so low. Well, on the way back down went 274 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,000 up to we went up to table rock and stuff, 275 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,440 hung out for a little bit, and then we came 276 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,960 back down the corridor. I'm looking on that same ridge 277 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:32,799 because I'm like, slow down, slow, down, buddy. Yo, there's 278 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:35,399 my buddy. There's nothing up here, you know. Okay, bro, 279 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:39,600 Well I see it again, but this time it's down 280 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:43,200 the ridge a little further and basically did the same thing, 281 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:45,039 kind of looked act like he was looking around. He 282 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,879 slowed down enough for me to see it for about 283 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,759 six to eight seconds, and then it disappears over the 284 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,159 ridge again. I didn't I didn't say anything to him. 285 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,000 I don't want him thinking, you know, it's not about 286 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,399 being like crazy, it's just said. I don't on him 287 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,960 thinking like I'm more you know, smart, smarter than people, 288 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,000 or like more observational. I just keep things to myself sometimes. 289 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,519 So it's very interesting. Brother. You know, we have such 290 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:18,279 rich law around here. Rich law. Yeah, it just blows 291 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,000 my mind. Then that Devin do Beck that was missing. 292 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: I was going to bring that up. 293 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I mean that that first signing that where 294 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:28,120 we had where we were screamed at that first time. 295 00:16:28,679 --> 00:16:31,919 Had it been maybe half a mile from where Devin 296 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:32,519 do Beck. 297 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: Was, Yeah, exactly. 298 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: I was looking at the map and I was like, man, 299 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,519 that's close, Like it's not that far away. If I'm 300 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:42,480 looking at the right area, which you're when you're talking 301 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,919 about Harriet Lake that's over by Ripplebrook area. 302 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: Brother, Yep, going towards the lake, yep, yep, yep. 303 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: Uh my goodness. 304 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: There are so many things you can read on Oregon 305 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,759 Bigfoot dot com about that area. You can read the 306 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,000 Oregon Bigfoot Highway book by Joe Bieler. 307 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,799 Speaker 3: Oh, Joe Bieler, you should he lives right down the 308 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,200 road for me, basically. 309 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh my goodness, I am convinced. 310 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:06,039 Speaker 3: So. 311 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: Actually, first, whenever I have conversations like this, I always 312 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,519 try to put in a thing where it's like because 313 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:15,440 I know people listen to this show and they're like, 314 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:18,400 I'm going to go check it out. Guys, like the 315 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,079 areas that Derek is talking about, like Table Rock Wilderness 316 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:26,359 and like Ripple Brook Harriet Lake, Like, you do not 317 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,279 just go into these areas. You need to read the 318 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:33,480 Oregon big Foot Highway. It's very unforgiving place. You need 319 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:37,079 to have extra gas, extra tires, Like it is wild 320 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,400 out there, and stuff happens and people go, they get 321 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:47,799 lost and worse recently, as we just discussed, unfortunately, there 322 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:50,000 are things that happen up in that area, and there's 323 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:52,880 a lot, a lot of bigfoot activity over the years. 324 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,799 It's you do not play around with the goals. 325 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:59,039 Speaker 3: No, brother, And if the forest alone will eat you up. 326 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,119 So if it's not our thirty thousand black bears we 327 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,839 have in the state, if it's not our seven thousand cougars, 328 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,480 if it's not you know, or if it's not the 329 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,039 maybe one hundred squats, a couple hundred squats we have, 330 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:13,440 something's gonna get you. Whether it's the hillside you're gonna 331 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,880 fall down it or I mean, yeah, So definitely use 332 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,599 extreme caution if you're ever going to you know, make 333 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:22,400 sure you have good walking shoes, make sure your one 334 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,680 foot is solidly in the ground before you take another step. 335 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,000 There's just certain precautions you have to take up here, 336 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:32,519 because man, it's very easy for things to go sideways. 337 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:36,000 Some of these roads you drive on, you know, Jeremiah, 338 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:38,000 I mean I know, you know, Oakred, Jerry and all that. 339 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,599 Some of these logging roads, brother, are you know straight down? 340 00:18:43,079 --> 00:18:45,359 It's funny I was reading one of your one of 341 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,519 the ladies comments that was over your Oakridge video, and 342 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:50,680 she was saying, or no, you were saying that the 343 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,839 fires are making them uncontrollable down there. In the Eugene area. Brother, 344 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,119 there have been ten fifteen different fires probably in the 345 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,559 past ten years. It's funny. Up here in Portland, we 346 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,279 haven't had much of a deficit ragin. But you go 347 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,640 just south of Portland, Seattle, or I mean not Seattle, 348 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,960 but Salem, Eugene, they've been very dry these past ten 349 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:16,359 fifteen years. So yeah, there's been a lot of fires 350 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,759 Eugene area. Oak Ridge, Man, is just unbelievable. I've heard 351 00:19:20,759 --> 00:19:26,720 of so many stories MacCready springs up there. It's just 352 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:30,519 it's amazing. Brother, But I want to bring it back 353 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:33,599 to the sound of what we heard. There's no way 354 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,200 you can emulate what we heard. There's just no way. 355 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,640 That scream was something that I will never be able 356 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,720 to forget. And if I have to go up there 357 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,519 every day after this, it feels so good to let 358 00:19:47,559 --> 00:19:51,519 this out on a channel that I feel respected. You know, 359 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,960 it's such a good community you have, bro Like, you'll 360 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,519 get your occasional troll but like everybody's respectful on the comments. 361 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:01,920 Everybody like it's just a beautiful thing what you've got. 362 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,960 And uh, you know you need that, especially when you 363 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,400 feel like an outlier and you I mean Man, I've 364 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,240 known people that have hunted all their lives, but just 365 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:14,640 because they didn't come across something, or maybe they weren't 366 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,960 even very observational, you know, because knowing these people that 367 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,680 have told me they never found anything, you know, aren't 368 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,400 the most observational people. So you know, but there's just 369 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,039 so many things that blow my mind about this being 370 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,680 ridiculed and over just something that just because somebody hasn't 371 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,839 seen it. Oh it's not really. I'm just we need 372 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,640 to change, whether it's people, if we want to. If 373 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,519 we want to, we need to start believing each other. 374 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,279 We need to start giving people benefit of the doubt, 375 00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:46,960 I mean, the way we treat each other. And that 376 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,720 just goes on to the Bigfoot thing of people not 377 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:55,720 believing or UFOs or whatever you're seeing. You know, I've 378 00:20:55,759 --> 00:20:58,720 had a couple of experiences with the UFOs, but I 379 00:20:58,759 --> 00:21:00,799 don't know. It could have been satellite from things like that, 380 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,759 so I'm you know, I'm not about to step into 381 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:03,839 that portal. 382 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:10,279 Speaker 1: But yeah, man, it's UFOs are So it's such a 383 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:13,640 it's a tricky subject because like you said, there's there's 384 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,920 so many things up there in the sky right now, 385 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,839 with like Starlink and all that stuff, and you just 386 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:26,079 got to really know what's up there. But man, this 387 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:29,079 the whole area you're talking about, Like I am convinced. 388 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,599 After So, I was down in oak Ridge and then 389 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,559 I drove up to hang out with frankn Easter Rest 390 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:42,039 in Peace, just the Cata area, and I didn't even 391 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:46,079 touch the Oregon Big for Highway, and just going through Detroit, 392 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,440 I was like, Oh my goodness, Like what am I doing? 393 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,599 This is absolutely nuts. I Detroit was weird because it 394 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,440 was the one area where I stopped and I was 395 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,880 talking to people and it was extremely evident that they 396 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,200 did not want to talk about anything weird. And it 397 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:06,519 was just like, I've never gotten a vibe in Oregon 398 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,359 or out there where it's like you need to leave, 399 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:09,839 like right now, like. 400 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 2: Just get out. 401 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: And it was probably the California plates on my rental. 402 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:15,799 Speaker 2: But that could do it. 403 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:16,519 Speaker 3: That could do it. 404 00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:23,799 Speaker 1: Brother, the next time, no California plates. But do you so, 405 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,240 do you ever go up you know, we're talking about 406 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,680 Lake Harriet and Ripple Brook and stuff. Do you ever 407 00:22:31,839 --> 00:22:35,680 go up and hang out in the area closer to 408 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:39,440 Mount Hood like your your zigzag and Welch's and that 409 00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:41,240 whole area for. 410 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 3: Sure, for sure, always up you know Lolo Pass. 411 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I go up. 412 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,559 Speaker 3: I just Trillium Lake, Still Creek Campground. There are so 413 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,079 many areas, brother, up mountain Hood. It's amazing, brother, it 414 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,039 really is. Jeremiah. If you ever plan on leaving, you're 415 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:04,759 in Iowa, right or yeah, okay, you ever plan on 416 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:07,640 leaving there, brother, there's always a place in Oregon. We 417 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,920 always got a place an organ for you, brother, because yeah, yeah, 418 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:15,480 mount Hood is definitely a stomping ground for me. I 419 00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:21,440 just try to go everywhere. I guess, more places we go, 420 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,559 more place, you know, more chances we have of you know, 421 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,279 having that luck. But it's amazing. It's amazing, drem I 422 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,559 I tell you, it's really skewed my my view of things, 423 00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:40,240 you know, because I remember the timber wars we had 424 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:43,680 back when I was younger, and these timber wars were 425 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,880 taking place right up where I had my first and 426 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,839 second encounter and third encounter, literally right up on those 427 00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:52,839 same roads where those environment mineralists were blocking them the 428 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,839 roads off, sleeping up in trees. This happened back in 429 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:58,559 like the early nineties, you know what I mean, where 430 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:02,920 it was a spotted out controversy. See, and they basically 431 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,839 abruptly shut down logging up in all of our national forests, 432 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:10,759 turned our national forests into just a bunch of dead 433 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,440 snags and things. But what's funny is about that is 434 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,279 you know, you wonder if a spotted out can shut 435 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:24,680 down logging. Uh, you just wonder, And why we don't 436 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,880 even if this thing, even if the government doesn't believe people, 437 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,079 I believe, we still need to have some things in 438 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,079 place here. I mean, you've got Scamania County, which is 439 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,160 right across the river from US, and they're the only 440 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,559 county in the United States to have actually a law 441 00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:42,039 again shooting a big foot brother. And I've been up 442 00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:45,079 in that area. I've stayed up there, and oh that's squatchy, man. 443 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,119 I mean, I can just imagine Bigfoot up there on 444 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,359 the Washington side and he just crosses the river over 445 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,720 he to Oregon, and he just goes up to Mount Hood, 446 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,160 kicks it for a little bit and crosses the river back. Oh. 447 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,039 You know, I mean, I don't know, bro, they got 448 00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,680 a good imagination, especially with the experiences I've had. You know, 449 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,319 it's not that our Pictureum, you know, just uh, but 450 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,680 one thing I don't want to happen is, you know, uh, 451 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:09,920 a lot of people. There's already so many people up 452 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,599 in the mountains, brother, I feel they're being very you know, 453 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,039 pushed in the areas they don't want to go. We've 454 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:17,200 had a lot of fires lately, taken a lot of 455 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,400 their habitat. If you sit and look at a map 456 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,319 of fires in the past ten years in northern Oregon, Man, 457 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,759 it could be another ten twenty years, Jeremiah. And if 458 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:30,799 if the climate keeps doing what it's doing and we 459 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:32,920 don't take care of our forests, well, they could be 460 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,319 burned all the way from the west slopes of the Cascade, 461 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,000 from Colton, Esticada, you know, Detroit Lake area, all there 462 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,599 could be a fire that rips all the way across 463 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,640 the cascades. Brother, it could be to that point in 464 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,279 the next. 465 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:51,039 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, yep. I'm having people reach out already 466 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:58,039 where they're like, because there's fires already, and these are 467 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,960 people that are not in this saraily wanting to come 468 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,519 on the show, but they're like, man, I'm near this 469 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:10,559 certain fire and there is crazy Bigfoot activity happening, and 470 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,240 it's just like when these fires happened it just it. 471 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,799 It gets the wildlife moving around, and stuff can get 472 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,599 really crazy, which is why I think. You know, the 473 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,759 first time I went to Oakridge, there are fires all 474 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,640 around the town and that's why we had extreme activity 475 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:29,240 as opposed to the second time. It was a totally 476 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,880 different case and there was activity but not not a 477 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,000 ton of it, but there weren't fires around at that 478 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:42,440 at that time. So have you ever just just curious 479 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,680 because you're from the area, have you ever watched the 480 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,680 Drumming for Bigfoot documentary from. 481 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: The Night of Franzoni? 482 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: Right or yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah that. 483 00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:59,279 Speaker 1: And you may already know this, but some of that 484 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,759 was filmed an Esticada, like the part with the older 485 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:06,440 gentleman who lives in the trailer, like that's up in uh, 486 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,799 that's up in Esticado. 487 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe he was drumming around Scookham Lake. I 488 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,480 think it was. 489 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's where. That's where fran Zoni was. But uh, 490 00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:20,880 that's that's such a good documentary. If people haven't haven't 491 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,480 watched that? And and also I really like Estercada. Have 492 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:28,200 you do you keep up to date with I have 493 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,400 a friend who interviews people about Bigfoot in that area. Oregon, 494 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,599 bigfoot fades. 495 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 3: Blonde girl. Yeah for sure, sure, yeah, oh yeah, yet 496 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,559 she's you know, you guys are doing God's work, brother, you. 497 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 2: Know, absolutely. 498 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,599 Speaker 1: Trying to trying to so, man, I did want to 499 00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,839 ask a few specific questions. So the sighting you had, 500 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,119 how far away was that? 501 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: Again? 502 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: Would you estimate that it was up there? You were 503 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,480 looking at it? 504 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,319 Speaker 3: The one at Horse Creek? It had to been old brother, 505 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,400 it was. It was. We were on like I said, 506 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,519 about a half a mile three quarters of a mile 507 00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:12,920 up on the ridge there. We were at an elevation 508 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,319 at about about fifteen hundred feet. He had to be 509 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,119 about i'd say three thirty five hundred feet up on 510 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,200 a up on a higher ridge. Brother, I the more 511 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,880 I think about it, No, that wasn't a hiker, you know. 512 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,240 I got to quit telling my stuff that myself that 513 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,799 because you know, your mind have played tricks on you. 514 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,640 But I know what I saw. I just sometimes I 515 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,440 wonder why me, you know, because it's really strange, am 516 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,759 I Some sometimes people go their lives without like really 517 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,720 experiencing any kind of I just don't know, but I had. 518 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,680 I had a very hard time past I'd say six 519 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:51,279 months just trying to you know, stomach everything that I've experienced, 520 00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:54,119 because I you know, sometimes I'm like, what's the message like? 521 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,160 But I've had some very profound experiences also with other things, 522 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,079 So I just chalk it up to that just maybe 523 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:05,640 I'm a special type of person. I try to respect 524 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,240 people as much as I can and no judgment. Who 525 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,319 am I to judge anybody? And I just try to 526 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,920 live a you know, keep my side of the street 527 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,119 clean and uh that way. Next time I do have 528 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,519 an experience, hopefully people will, hopefully my family and things 529 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,839 will believe me more right. I mean, it's it's a yeah, sure, 530 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,200 it's a very funny thing. Buddy. They'll listen to you, 531 00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:30,079 but then they'll just walk away, and it's like a 532 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,799 repy not trying to make you a believe. I just 533 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,680 need to get this off my chest because it's driving 534 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,599 me insane. Basically, I look up reports all the time 535 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,200 and stuff. It's really an obsession, is what it's became. 536 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,200 But yeah, it's funny, you know, reading that book when 537 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,319 I was younger, and not, like I said, it's not 538 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:50,880 like I really it's not like I believe it. I 539 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,480 just kind of thought it was a fairy tale really 540 00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:56,960 until like I said, ten, ten, fifteen years later, I'm 541 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,720 up in that same area and uh yeah, get the 542 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,920 shot of my life. Brother. Amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, And 543 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,799 I will never forget any of any of these experiences 544 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:09,519 that I've had, and I just hope to have more. 545 00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:13,799 Speaker 1: You know, I think that area that you're talking about 546 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,759 in Malala is close to Man, there was this one 547 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,559 interview I did a while back whereas an older gentleman 548 00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:22,680 and he was telling this story about being up on 549 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,480 that road at a campsite and they were like pretty 550 00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,079 much one chased them into their campsite. Wild wild stuff, 551 00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:34,160 but just that, man, the stories you hear that happened 552 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,359 in that area are are pretty intense. Have you ever 553 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,599 heard any crazy stories around the Malala area or Oregon 554 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:43,359 Bigfoot Highway? 555 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: Anything weird that. 556 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: That that sticks out to you? And if not, that's 557 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:49,920 that's no sweat. 558 00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, brother, Oh yeah. One of the first during 559 00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,839 high school, you know, after reading the books and everything, 560 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:57,400 when I was younger and then I had a buddy 561 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,440 that they were there were a bunch of bunch of 562 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,319 my friends partying up on Goat Mountain, which is where 563 00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,000 Frank k would have, well, you know, find all the 564 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,480 track cast and everything. Well they're up there, it's two 565 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,440 thirty in the morning. They're basically doing the same thing 566 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,839 that I was, making a bunch of whoops and you know, 567 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,599 being stupid. Basically, well, I guess the tree got pushed 568 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,839 over on the campfire, put the dang thing out. Everybody 569 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,160 left within a split second. There was no screams or anything, 570 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,000 but they hurt something rushing around, rattling around the brush. 571 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:29,119 But yeah, next thing, you know, they said it was 572 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,759 a pretty good sized snag just got pushed over and 573 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:37,759 basically right onto the fire. Made it just boom boom, 574 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:40,880 and all the ashes, you know, all the sparks went everywhere, 575 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,920 and I guess they were out. But Goat Mountain is 576 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,119 another area that I've had. You know, you found some 577 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,559 strict stick structures and things like that. Never been screamed 578 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:54,720 that up there or anything. But like I said, Goat 579 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,920 mount is probably the way the crow flies, maybe a 580 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,079 mile or two from where I've where I had my 581 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:07,599 other experiences. So yeah, either it's a very territorial couple 582 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,000 of them up there, or we have no idea and 583 00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:12,519 there could be like you know, I don't know, you know, 584 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,680 I said, and I think about what the population would 585 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,640 be in Oregon, you know, and I wouldn't assume it'd 586 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,880 be more than a few hundred animals, you know, like, well, 587 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,119 squatch is what I'm talking about, right exactly? You know 588 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,440 they're not. I mean, it was a really thing, can't 589 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,359 trail He just passed Tom Cantreill. The things I was 590 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,000 watching on his video there on the flash and beauty 591 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,920 of how he was saying that he actually they took 592 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,079 him up into the mountains and showed him where they met, 593 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,720 and he said there was up to eighteen adults in 594 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,119 sitting in the circle. And so what they would do 595 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,680 in Washington, what he was saying they were doing was 596 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,599 they would the sentinel, the big guy would tell him 597 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,440 which way to go to go find mates. So you 598 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,680 would send some to Oregon, I guess, well south, he 599 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,279 would send some north and he would just you know, 600 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,880 these things are much more intelligent when we'll ever know. Brother, 601 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,279 I have a feeling they're like an ancient human from 602 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,440 all the descriptions that I read. The brow line, the 603 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,279 the way the lips are, I mean, it just really 604 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,759 sounds to me it could almost be like a just 605 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,079 just an ancient human. Brother, That's that's all I can 606 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,200 pinpoint to two. I don't believe this is a gorilla 607 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,680 and maybe maybe part gorilla my hybrid type thing, but 608 00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,480 it's not. No, this thing, this thing is very intelligent, brother. 609 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,920 I tell you. It's very obsessied. It's very It makes 610 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,920 me very obsessive feeling. But I don't think it's a 611 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,960 bad thing. I think I could have other worst things 612 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,720 that are that I'm obsessed about, if you know what 613 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,039 I mean. 614 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,759 Speaker 1: So uh oh, totally yeah, yeah, this is not the 615 00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:53,240 worst thing. Definitely to be obsessed about it. It's so 616 00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:57,839 to soapbox for a minute. I am convinced after visiting 617 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,000 out there. Not I haven't even camped out there yet 618 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,799 at hopefully someday that will happen. But man, dude, I 619 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,360 was I don't talk about this all. I was supposed 620 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,559 to go camping with Frank Kineister, like we were going 621 00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,960 to do like expeditions out there, and then life took 622 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,599 him too quick. 623 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 3: Man. 624 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,079 Speaker 1: I was like, just that's heartbreaking. But I am convinced 625 00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:25,159 that this area es de Caada Malala. And then you've 626 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,880 got mount Hood, like, oh, there's a reason Cliff is there, 627 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:30,800 like it is going to be discovered there. And Frank 628 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,719 was so close. 629 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,079 Speaker 3: He was so close, dude. 630 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't even know you know, yep, But yeah, 631 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,800 it's it's gonna happen out there for sure. It's because man, 632 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,079 like you go up where rhododendron and welches are and 633 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:52,000 then it's crazy because like you can take that road 634 00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,480 from where's it Welches and like it kind of goes 635 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:01,119 into that wilderness and then it's like all bets. 636 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,079 Speaker 2: Are off, all bets are off. 637 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:08,159 Speaker 1: You had that sighting that Cliff just talked about within 638 00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:11,519 the last few months on that golf course, right Welches, right, 639 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,400 And I mean like, yeah, it's because you're you're putting 640 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,639 civilization down on this wedge into the wilderness. It's crazy, 641 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,400 it is, But I think I think it's going to 642 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,039 be around that area. Oh well, then you got bull 643 00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:28,159 Run is crazy as well. 644 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 3: The whole bull Run bull Run brother, let me tell 645 00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:34,079 you the watershed up there's protected. Nobody's let in there 646 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,039 except the workers. I've read. I've read several stories of 647 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,440 bull Run workers where they've either heard I I haven't 648 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,119 really seen any that they had said they had seen 649 00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,119 a site they had had actual sighting, but it's so 650 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,800 thick in there, man. The only way you're really going 651 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,519 to see one is if it runs right across the 652 00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:53,960 road in front of you. What's funny about Cliff Berrickman 653 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,880 was that he had called me. This my first sighting 654 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,559 when I got well, not sighting, but when I got 655 00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:04,119 screamed that that first time I had called Cliff and 656 00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:07,000 he had not done finding Bigfoot yet, he was just 657 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:09,239 starting to do it, and he called me. He had 658 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,639 called me and he's like, hey, you know, if you 659 00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,000 can take me up there, I'm going to be doing 660 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:17,039 a show, and you know, blah blah blah. Well, I 661 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:18,440 said and thought about it for a minute, and I 662 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,320 was like, you know what if I do this, there's 663 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,360 going to be a thousand people up there. I don't 664 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,480 want this guy. I don't want this girl or guy 665 00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,320 whatever it was of screamed at me. I don't want 666 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,119 him bugged. You know, I wouldn't want to be bugged 667 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:33,480 if I was up there. I just want to be 668 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,840 sitting in my ferns and looking at the trees and 669 00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:37,519 waiting for a deer to come by so I can 670 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:41,039 break its neck, you know, Another theory on how they 671 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:44,280 hunt real quick is uh, I believe they hunt pairs 672 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,760 and one like they basically funnel him now and then 673 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:55,360 I believe they use like drag him down kind of 674 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,639 like grab onto the neck. I don't know. I've had 675 00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:00,280 a vision to where like they put all their wait 676 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,760 onto the neck, drag the animal down, either grab him 677 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,840 by the horn or the ears, maybe the ears because 678 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,079 the ears are sensitive, and just pull down. And you know, 679 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,079 I've had a vision of the big old squatches breaking 680 00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:14,880 up Elk's neck was like with no problem at all. 681 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:16,960 The handprint, brother, I forgot to go back to that, 682 00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:18,920 the handprint that I found in the side of the 683 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,039 hillside there at Horse Creek next to those fifteen inch prints. Brother, 684 00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:29,400 that hand was twice the size of mine at least 685 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,800 so and there had been no raining up there, like 686 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,440 I said, for yeah a long time. So yeah, Jeremiah, 687 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,159 I don't know. It's just like I said, it's great 688 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:39,800 to have a channel like yours to where I can 689 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,039 listen to like minded stories and not feel so such 690 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:50,760 feel like an outsider. And yeah, brother, I love listening 691 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,960 to like all your like you have so many Sandy 692 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,920 Oregon and scatpoos and ray in ears, so many stories from. 693 00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's near. 694 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, has a story to be told, Yes, one day, 695 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,320 and I hope I am the one that gets to 696 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:14,719 be able to tell it. Yeah, there is a developing 697 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,880 story on multiple fronts in or near Oregon. Right now, 698 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,679 we'll leave it at that. One more question for you, Derek, 699 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,480 just just in case something hits. Do you know anything? 700 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,239 Have you heard any accounts from the Lolo Pass area? Oh? 701 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, buddy, there's a there's a man who 702 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:38,559 rides horses up there. I can't remember Northwest Sasquatch Studies. Wait, 703 00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:42,320 he's been on your show, bro, Gary, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 704 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,679 the guy dude, he's like, well, he's like he's kind 705 00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,400 of like I feel like me, like we draw him 706 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,320 in or something like. It's it's just a strange thing 707 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,480 how these people we can have so many experiences, and 708 00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:54,079 some people will go ten lifetimes and never have even 709 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:56,679 one experience. So it just makes me wonder, is it 710 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,480 a frequency I'm given? Like I don't know, I really 711 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,920 don't know whether, but yeah, Lolo Pass is a hot 712 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,679 dad brother. 713 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: Man. 714 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,679 Speaker 3: Uh you got Sandy Ridge up in that area, you 715 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:15,840 got uh the power lines. Just basically a tip for 716 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,320 everybody before I go here is just drive forest roads, 717 00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,840 look for game trails, look for look for messed up 718 00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,559 uh you know, vegetation along the side of the road, 719 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,119 and just follow it. You know, make your own trail. 720 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,480 Don't if you're if you're planning on finding bigfoot, I wouldn't. 721 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,760 Uh you know, you'll see them on a trail that's 722 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,679 heavily used. But I just think if you make your 723 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,840 own trail and do you know, you know, do your 724 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,280 own due diligence, and I think you'd be a lot more. 725 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,199 And the other thing about the camera thing, Oh why 726 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,760 we had a picture. Well, you know what, bro, I 727 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,800 don't really see somebody being like, hey, Bigfoot, can you 728 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,280 stand there for a second smile. We're probably so enamored 729 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,800 with what we're seeing. I mean the eye content. I mean, dude, 730 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,639 I've I've been told from some Indian friends, warm Spring 731 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,880 Indian Reservation friends that I have. It's on the east 732 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,719 side of mountain Hood. They told me, you know, their elders, 733 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,159 uh no eye contact. They would open their hands out 734 00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:14,480 like this kind of like a no threat. Uh no threat. 735 00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:18,360 You know, don't your posture, make sure your posture, stoopid, 736 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,119 don't don't bluff yourself up any Just act like he's 737 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:28,000 the boss, which he is, and let him do his thing. Uh. Yeah, brother, 738 00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,400 there's just so much stuff besides my own experiences of 739 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,320 friends and stories and things like that. Yeah, it's pretty amazing, bro, you. 740 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,119 Speaker 1: Got to incredible. It's just it's it's such a fun. 741 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:44,039 If your life can intersect with that area and you're 742 00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:47,199 into Bigfoot, you will have memories that will last forever. 743 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 3: Oh brother, the. 744 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 1: Woods, the woods will teach you something. Just please be 745 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,960 careful and don't go out by yourself unless you're like 746 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,639 Grizzly Adams there. I really wouldn't recommend it yet now 747 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:04,760 this channel does not recommend it. But but Derek, it 748 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,840 has been such a pleasure talking to you. Thank you 749 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,559 so much for hanging out with me today and it's 750 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:16,159 just been a great conversation about about the Pacific Northwest 751 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,079 and the mystery of Bigfoot in what you've experienced. And 752 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:20,760 thank you so much for coming on today, sir. 753 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,679 Speaker 3: Thank you, Jeremiah much love my brother, Thank you so much. 754 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,199 I'll leave, you'll see my comments and I'll leave your 755 00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:29,679 best wishes and we'll keep watching. 756 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,559 Speaker 1: Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something 757 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:36,840 directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're 758 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,599 in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've 759 00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,480 seen something that no one can explain, or if you're 760 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,760 a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told 761 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,199 to stay quiet. If you're a pilot who's seen something 762 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,239 strange down on the ground, or if you're with the 763 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,239 FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled 764 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,159 upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if 765 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:03,719 you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's 766 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,360 heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If 767 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,079 you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field, 768 00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:14,239 or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something 769 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,719 happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're 770 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,639 a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under 771 00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:25,000 contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report. 772 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:28,039 If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a 773 00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,519 spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith, 774 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,360 or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or 775 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,039 anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, 776 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,559 then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous. 777 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,840 You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. 778 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,760 The world needs to hear what you've been forced to 779 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,559 carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story, 780 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:01,960 We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank 781 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,840 you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. 782 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,320 Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is 783 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,480 bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth 784 00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,400 is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you 785 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,199 enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe to the 786 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,599 channel on YouTube hit the bell so you don't miss 787 00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:21,039 the next episode, and share this with a friend who's 788 00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:24,880 into mysteries, monsters, or the unexplained. And if you're listening 789 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,800 to us on Spotify or Apple Podcast, please follow the 790 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,440 show there and leave us a five star positive review 791 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:34,800 because all that helps more people discover the show. 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Thanks 801 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,760 again for following along with the Bigfoot Society until next time, 802 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,599 Keep your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop 803 00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:12,800 asking what else might be out there? And see you 804 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,360 in the woods.