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<v Speaker 1>All right, here we go, Fred Rogan or Rodney Peach

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<v Speaker 1>on a five seventy LA Sports.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a big three hour program for you today. Rodney.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing just fine there, Freddy. Getting closer and closer

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<v Speaker 1>the Christmas day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In the holidays, Freddie, in the holidays, all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>all of it. So happy Hanikah, happy Kwanza, happy Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>and all of those things. Freddie, it's right around the corner.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm man it excited. It's my favorite time of year.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, let's get to this off the top.

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<v Speaker 1>A surprise? You ever had a surprise? I mean, do

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<v Speaker 1>you like to be surprised?

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<v Speaker 2>Rodney? I don't. I don't either. I'm not a sur

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<v Speaker 2>Some people love being surprised. My daughter loves it.

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<v Speaker 1>She loves being surprised, and she loves to give people surprises.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm more like you. I don't need a surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me what's going on and I'll be excited. Give

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<v Speaker 1>me the word and let me get ready. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that are you? Are you one of those

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<v Speaker 1>guys that your family or a close friend, they they

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<v Speaker 1>they tell you the surprise. They let you know. Fred

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna give me a surprise. You just act like

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<v Speaker 1>you're surprised your wife, that's fair, your friends, kids that yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's here's why that doesn't happen, because first, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>gives me anything like a surprise, and they know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>bad at them. Hey Dad, we're gonna surprise you. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>that's never been said.

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<v Speaker 2>Never.

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<v Speaker 1>No one ever surprises me because I don't like surprises.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to know what's going on. That's just who

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<v Speaker 1>I am. And if there's gonna be a change in

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<v Speaker 1>my life, I'd like to know about it. If something's

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<v Speaker 1>going to occur, and I want to be in on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of the story of Devin Williams, the

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<v Speaker 1>closer for the Milwaukee Brewers. Now, we mentioned that the

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<v Speaker 1>Dodgers were interested in Devin Williams and Tanner Scott. Tanner

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<v Speaker 1>Scott's going to cost money. And I even said, when

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<v Speaker 1>this news broke, Rodney, my god, get Devin Williams. That

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<v Speaker 1>guy is a stud closer. So the Dodgers were interested.

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<v Speaker 1>People were talking about it, and apparently we've now learned

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<v Speaker 1>that Devin Williams thought he was going to the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>Here listen, was this anything that was on your radar?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you think this was a possibility, To be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really think so. I thought, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thought i'd be going to LA. I was

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<v Speaker 2>what I was being told.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, the Yankee snuck in there under the

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<v Speaker 3>table and you know, got the deal done.

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<v Speaker 1>So Devin Williams was told he was going to LA.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd said, what a great move it would have been. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So he's probably going, let me see where I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>live out there. I mean, I'm going to La. The

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<v Speaker 1>world sooner he's picking it out. You think he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to let me see Manhattan Beach, Newport, you know, Glendale,

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<v Speaker 1>you know Pasadena, La Studio city, where Camp Beverly Hills.

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<v Speaker 2>Where where am I gonna live? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Going through it, so many choices, yes, yes, And then

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<v Speaker 1>he gets the word that you are traded. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess he's looking for the first flight to LAX. But

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<v Speaker 1>then he's re routed from Newark because he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>the Yankees. He even thought he was coming to the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>He thought he would be closing for the Dodgers next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead he will pitch for the Yankees. Now I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know Devin Williams, but just hearing that, he sounded absolutely miserable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't sound very good, right, he didn't sound happy.

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<v Speaker 2>How'd you about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Will, To be honest with you, I thought I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to LA That's what I was being told, But

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<v Speaker 1>then the Yankees snuck in at the last minute.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wonder what happened there.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you think that lands in New York on

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<v Speaker 1>the fan or one of those one of those sports

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<v Speaker 1>radio channels that people call in and talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you think that lands brutal? I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>was honest. I'll give him credit for that, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to suit him. Well there, he better be

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<v Speaker 1>lights out right from day one, but he couldn't because

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<v Speaker 1>he's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>He's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'd be curious to find out, and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>David Vassai will come on and explain what happened. But

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<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers were interested in Devin Williams so much so

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<v Speaker 1>he thought he was coming here. But that didn't work. Crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy. I might fire my agent, might fire my agent.

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<v Speaker 1>If I don't know, you know that I get kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thrown in that kind of loop.

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<v Speaker 2>Red.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's supposed to know these things, right if

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<v Speaker 1>you're the agent, you're supposed to know what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of be in the mix. And they're calling you,

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to figure out, Hey, we need them to

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<v Speaker 1>come in for a physical.

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<v Speaker 2>All those things start to happen. We've got to come

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<v Speaker 2>in for a physical.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to get you know, looking into some flights

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<v Speaker 1>to New York, you know what, we're getting ready for

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. So there's a there is a there's some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of knowledge that is that happens even with the trade.

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<v Speaker 2>At least it should.

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<v Speaker 1>At least it should, and I'm saying that it does,

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody's withholding the information because it can't just happen

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<v Speaker 1>on a whim. I mean it can. You know, people say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we made a last minute deal. But even if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a last minute deal, somebody's calling the team, the agent, somebody, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to make this trade for Devin. Where is

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<v Speaker 1>he right now? We just want to let you know

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<v Speaker 1>because they don't know Devin makes it. I'm retiring, I

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<v Speaker 1>ain't playing for the Yankees. You know, they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that for sure. So there's got to be some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of contact, and then where does that fall Who does

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<v Speaker 1>that fall on?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it the agent?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the club that he's being traded from, But

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<v Speaker 1>it's somebody that's got to let him know, Hey, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a possibility, this is real. These are the two

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<v Speaker 1>teams of all Oh the latest is and you got

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<v Speaker 1>your phone in your hand walking around if you're Devin

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<v Speaker 1>Williams going okay, where's it going to be? But for

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<v Speaker 1>him to say, I thought I was going to LA

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<v Speaker 1>and that blindsided me. It's just that bad business. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>number of levels, a number of levels. Could you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>his phone rings and he goes, Dave Andrew, No, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Brian Cashman.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you call?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm expecting your call. Could you hang out? I'll call

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<v Speaker 1>you back. No, I am the call you're expecting. Congratulations.

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<v Speaker 2>That's bad business, Frid that business.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just don't see how that can happen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it get I get guys, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>certain things happen with like with guys don't know, guys

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<v Speaker 1>get cut or released, you know, And it happened so

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<v Speaker 1>fast that that you know, certain guys that you've heard

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<v Speaker 1>the stories, guys find out through social media that they

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<v Speaker 1>got cut or they got released before trade to go through.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many there's so many factors too that have

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<v Speaker 1>to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>First.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to figure out the guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even even if you don't have a no

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<v Speaker 1>trade clause, there are guys that just say I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to play for that team and I ain't going.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can try to trade me all you want,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm sitting out or I'm retiring. Don't you need

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<v Speaker 1>to know that first? So somebody knows. Somebody knows, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's holding back and just maybe they do it to

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<v Speaker 1>social didn't get ahold of it first. Yeah, Well, as

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<v Speaker 1>a player, I'm mad. I'm upset about that whole situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Not upset at the Yankees. And you went to the

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<v Speaker 1>Yankees because obviously a good organization. But the fake, the

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<v Speaker 1>way it went down, the way it went down, and

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<v Speaker 1>me not knowing and thinking one thing and it happened

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<v Speaker 1>to be another, that's the problem. So he ends up

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<v Speaker 1>with the Yankees, but he was on the Dodger radar

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<v Speaker 1>right now, what you confirm that? Let me give you

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<v Speaker 1>another player that's still out there now, Dodger fans, I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to think about this. You know there were

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<v Speaker 1>three big pictures that were free agents, Blake Snell, Max

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<v Speaker 1>Freed and Corbyn Burns. And the funny thing was we

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<v Speaker 1>had a conversation, oh a month ago and Rodney, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you asked me which one would you pick? And

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<v Speaker 1>I said Corbyn Burns, that'd be if the guy would

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<v Speaker 1>pick you took Blake Snell, and then Max Freed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Corbyn Burns Yep, okay. So the Dodger signed

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<v Speaker 1>Blake Snell, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>They did, Paddy.

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<v Speaker 1>The Yankees agree to a deal with Max Freed. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is Corbyn Burns still sitting there? Why is he still available?

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<v Speaker 1>There's going to want to be a ten year deal. Fred,

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<v Speaker 1>like you hate at okay, you know what? You might

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<v Speaker 1>be a thousand percent right. On the other hand, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>somebody knows something and no one's saying it. But the

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<v Speaker 1>sense now is that Rodney, he might do the old

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<v Speaker 1>Blake sneill give me two years a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can opt out after the first year. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do the short one for more money per year, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll try again. So if he says, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>pay me twenty seven million this year, give me twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven give me thirty, I can opt out after the

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<v Speaker 1>first year if I have a great year. If he

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<v Speaker 1>says that and you're the Dodgers, you bite it that, Yes, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I do, Yes, I do. You're talking about a short

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<v Speaker 1>term deal, guy one of the best in the business. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I bite at that. I buy it that because it

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<v Speaker 1>it leaves your issue Fred with the number of years.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got a guy for two, possibly three. He's

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<v Speaker 1>he's the top three to five pitchers in the league. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not locked in forever. He kind of already know

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<v Speaker 1>what you're gonna get with him because he's a stud.

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<v Speaker 1>So absolutely, I'm jumping all over that two years. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not committed long term. I got an opportunity. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing that deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would too. What about you? I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm doing a heartbeat. Honestly, I doing a heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty seven million, twenty seven that is that the average

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<v Speaker 1>of what Freed got in au per value average out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think think.

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<v Speaker 1>Freed got two hundred and something right, two hundred and eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>May believe he got yeah, stff like that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he got more than that. But I'm just saying make

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<v Speaker 1>it around. How about twenty five thirty twenty five. You're

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<v Speaker 1>on the hook for fifty five million if he stays

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<v Speaker 1>both years. He stays both years and it's it's his option. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>give him an option after the first year, do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just bring him into the rotation.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if that were to happen, and again it's odd

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<v Speaker 1>to me that he's still sitting there, but if that

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<v Speaker 1>That that would be like wow, that would be mind

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<v Speaker 2>They would be I mean, it would be unfair. It

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look what the Dodgers did with the half

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<v Speaker 1>As you got that staff going for you as their room.

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<v Speaker 1>What you make for them in that scenario, you make room. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sore arm. Someone's gonna have to miss a couple of starts. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but soon they're all healthy to start the season, well

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<v Speaker 1>except for Otani, uh, to start the season. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you how do you manage that rotation you got? You

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<v Speaker 2>Can you have that.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody being either pissed off or somebody not being You're

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what you would do. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they've considered this yet, but since we

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<v Speaker 1>discussed it, I will give you the solution. Okay, every

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<v Speaker 1>game you use two guys, so one guy goes five innings,

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<v Speaker 1>one guy goes four. So in this game, it's Blake

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<v Speaker 1>Snell and Corbyn burns. Those are your pictures. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>even need a bullpen the next game. If you have

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<v Speaker 1>that many pitchers, you just split them in half. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think of that plan? Terrible? It's being ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Why you only use two pictures. You don't need a bullpen.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about, Well, you still have to

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm saying if you have that many starting pitchers,

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<v Speaker 1>Then you preserve his arm. Then he's good for when

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<v Speaker 1>So you go into the game planning on using two pitchers,

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<v Speaker 1>two of your starters. Yes, that's how you going into

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<v Speaker 1>every game. That's how I would do it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventh, eight or ninth in and then you

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<v Speaker 1>use the bullpen. But going into it, your starter is

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<v Speaker 2>He can give me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be the first finish it off. The first

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<v Speaker 1>goes four or four or five however you want to

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<v Speaker 1>play it however you want. But I get the guy

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<v Speaker 1>So he goes five innings. Okay, Now look at this,

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<v Speaker 1>you're saving wear and tearing their arms and they're not

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<v Speaker 1>throwing as many innings. So if you sign Corbyn Burns, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What you do. So you would the dumbest thing I've

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<v Speaker 1>You would need twelve people with a six day rotation,

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy your starter and your coat starter, your

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<v Speaker 1>starter's going he's at five innings with only forty seven pitches, right,

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<v Speaker 1>still pulling him at five five innings.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the starter, he's not the coat starter. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna save everybody now for the playoffs. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make that decision in April. That's how Regardless, he's not

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<v Speaker 1>going sixth inning, he's not going into the sixth or

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh inning, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, if.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the coast starter gets to start tomorrow night.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a good things I'm saying. There's always gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be factors that you add on. You just gonna keep

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<v Speaker 1>adding on, adding on like sprinkles and strawberries and nuts

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<v Speaker 1>and everything on it. If the starter happens to go

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<v Speaker 1>You just go from the starter to the bullpen, and

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<v Speaker 1>you use the cot starter as the next starter for

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<v Speaker 1>the next day. Listen, if you had not brought up

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<v Speaker 1>the insane notion of well, where are you gonna pitch everybody?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll find a place to pitch everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be easy for me. I'll find places for everybody

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<v Speaker 2>to pick.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. I would find a place for him to pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>If you could get Corbyn Burns, I would find a

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<v Speaker 1>place for him to pitch. I don't think it would

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<v Speaker 1>be an issue. Wow, Diet, you imagine though, good glass

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<v Speaker 1>now snell Yamamoto, burns Otani in your rotation.

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<v Speaker 2>With and all those guys coming back, the possibility of

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<v Speaker 2>the return of Kershaw.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's too much. They would call unfair. They would

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<v Speaker 1>call they would call bs unfair, dodgers, unfair practices. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's the thing. Last year everybody complained about their hitters.

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<v Speaker 1>That was unfair. They hit too well, they had too

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<v Speaker 1>many guys that could hit too many MVPs in their lineup.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, we won't really improve that this year.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just go get another cy young pitcher. We'll just

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<v Speaker 1>have everybody went to sign Young in our rotation. How

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<v Speaker 1>about we do that. We'll change it up this year.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not stuck on one thing. We could do any

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<v Speaker 1>number of things. I think that makes sense. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be better than the Maddocks, Glavin It Smolt Atlanta Braves

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<v Speaker 1>of the nineties. This would be the greatest rotation built

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<v Speaker 1>in baseball history if they could go out and get him. No,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no guarantee they're gonna sign them. There's no guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>the reaction of the reaction of the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they complain about.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you about Hayton boy, they would be they would

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<v Speaker 1>be beside themselves. I don't know why they would complain.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't go out and sign another real hitter. That

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<v Speaker 1>was their complaint last year. They just went and signed pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>This year, this should make everybody happy. We didn't get one,

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<v Speaker 1>so noo, everybody should be relieved. Now you see, we

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<v Speaker 1>to be crazy. We'll just go sign corpor and Burns instead.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll put him in the rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>God, it's fun to live here, so much fun to

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<v Speaker 1>live here with this team.

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<v Speaker 2>Dodger fans, come on, be happy. There's so much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could be living in Kansas City right

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<v Speaker 1>now with the Royals, which it wouldn't even speak of

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<v Speaker 1>because you're too worried about the Chiefs. Here's the real problem.

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<v Speaker 1>We just can do whatever we want. So we're not

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<v Speaker 1>sure what we should do because we can do anything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we own a monopoly team, a video game team. We're

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<v Speaker 1>playing Madden. Except it's real money. It's real money, and

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's another question about real money.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, we only know it's been reported, but it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be according to reports. Where is Tascar Hernandez?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the deal with Tiascar Hernandez. There are unconfirmed rumors

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<v Speaker 1>that there were at odds over the length of the

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<v Speaker 1>contract and deferred money. Allegedly Tayo doesn't want money. Deferred

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<v Speaker 1>length of contract and deferred money. Now, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you bridge that gap. I think you could convince

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<v Speaker 1>somebody about the deferred money. Yeah, but the length of

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<v Speaker 1>contract is a different story. And that was my concern

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning here Rodney Well, I mean from his standpoint, Look,

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<v Speaker 1>to be a Dodger, very clear. And if you're him,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to try to finish your career here. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to go out as a Dodger, so you want

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<v Speaker 1>to try to get as many years as possible as

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<v Speaker 1>a Dodger. You don't want to play here two more years,

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<v Speaker 1>three years and then you know, in your mid thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>try to go find another team for three years. You'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather play it out as a Dodger. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>happen to play, say it's six years or whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>may be, and then you want to retire, you retire.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you want to, you know, tack on an

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<v Speaker 2>But I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to play here and finish out their career

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<v Speaker 1>at you know, as as a Dodger, win a couple

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<v Speaker 1>more titles and and be done with it the deferment thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can be That can be explained, that

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<v Speaker 1>can be altered, that could be changed in many different

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<v Speaker 1>scenarios to make that work. It is the number of years.

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<v Speaker 1>So what if it's the same number annually but less years?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you be okay with that? It's like twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five? Yeah, say yeah, if he's if he's or

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<v Speaker 1>you would have to bump the annual salary because he's

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<v Speaker 2>You're knocking off the number of years. So instead of.

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<v Speaker 1>But five years, five years, one hundred and twenty million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>But that wouldn't make it because he was getting twenty

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to get twenty one anyway, five years,

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<v Speaker 1>five years one twenty five, five years one twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>for tail And you say.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not doing five years? What would you give him

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<v Speaker 2>for three?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So here's what I think the problem is. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me just tell you what I think the problem is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're willing to give him the money, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're saying, for whatever amount that is, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>add on an extra year. But if we add on

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the problem. I think that's how they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get to the number. So there's saying, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you that extra year, but we have to defer

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<v Speaker 1>part of your salary. He's saying, I don't want anybody deferred.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what this is. Look, initially the feeling

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<v Speaker 1>was he was gonna make twenty a year, Rodney, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>a year Detroit, right out of the blocks, three years sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you heard Yankees five years, one hundred. It's twenty

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<v Speaker 1>million a year. That's what it's going to be. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a scoch more, I would think, but that's really the ballpark. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now we know what we're playing. So what number do

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred. We can't do that. We're not giving you

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<v Speaker 1>five years. Okay, Maybe we'll give you twenty five a

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you want that fourth year?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know what. We really don't want to go,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will. But now we have to start deferring it.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you deferring the entire four years or you deferring

422
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<v Speaker 1>just that last year? I don't know. Maybe you defer

423
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<v Speaker 1>the first two. Mm hmm, there's gonna be you're gonna

424
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<v Speaker 1>get deferred money. That's how we're gonna do this. Yeah,

425
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<v Speaker 1>we deft the first two. We're gonna get you the

426
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<v Speaker 1>four year deal.

427
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<v Speaker 2>Last two.

428
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<v Speaker 1>You make your salary back, and you help us in

429
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<v Speaker 1>these first two years. Right, it's somewhere in there. It's

430
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<v Speaker 1>just where is it? And I think that's the issue.

431
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<v Speaker 1>Where is it? And how does it get us to

432
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<v Speaker 1>that number? Yeah, because this is what I thought from

433
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<v Speaker 1>the beginning too many years.

434
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<v Speaker 2>If the Dodgers are willing to.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Say, okay, all right, we know who you are, we

436
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<v Speaker 1>know how valuable you are, we know what you've done

437
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<v Speaker 1>for the franchise, and in return, in return, we got

438
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<v Speaker 1>to defer a little bit to get that extra year

439
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<v Speaker 1>in there.

440
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<v Speaker 2>I think that's where we're at with this.

441
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<v Speaker 1>And it depends on what that deferment is, right, because

442
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<v Speaker 1>it's not everybody's O tani where you can say, oh, okay,

443
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<v Speaker 1>I only take two million dollars salary, and because I'm

444
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<v Speaker 1>gonna make sixty off the field every single year, if

445
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<v Speaker 1>not more so, I don't need the seventy or sixty

446
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<v Speaker 1>eight seventy million dollars that I was I'm old, I'll

447
00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>just take two of that because all the marketing stuff

448
00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that I do off the field is gonna make up

449
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<v Speaker 1>for it for the next ten years that I'm playing here.

450
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<v Speaker 1>Taylor didn't have that luxury, you know, so depending on

451
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<v Speaker 1>where he is, it just could it could be one

452
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<v Speaker 1>of those I'm not Otani. I'm not making that kind

453
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<v Speaker 1>of money off the field. I want it now. So

454
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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's part of it is how much we gonna

455
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<v Speaker 1>defer it. Could it be half? If it is twenty

456
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<v Speaker 1>a year, then we defer half of that the first

457
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:49.440
<v Speaker 1>two years you get to ten. Who knows, I mean,

458
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<v Speaker 1>we don't know. It's just speculating right here. But hopefully

459
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<v Speaker 1>they get it done because I think he uh, he

460
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<v Speaker 1>was so big for for the Dodgers in their run,

461
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<v Speaker 1>and it would be it would be just just synergy wise,

462
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<v Speaker 1>it would be fantastic to bring him back. First ever

463
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<v Speaker 1>West Coast Hoops Showdown takes place Saturday, December twenty eighth.

464
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<v Speaker 1>UCLA and Gonzaga square off in the first ever college

465
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<v Speaker 1>hoops game to be played at the Intuit Doom at Englewood.

466
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<v Speaker 1>That game will be followed by a matchup between San

467
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<v Speaker 1>Diego and Grand Canyon University. Tickets are on sale now

468
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<v Speaker 1>at ticketmaster dot com. You can't put the toothpaste back

469
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<v Speaker 1>in the tube, But what if you could a very

470
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<v Speaker 1>important decision the Lakers made and it went the wrong way?

471
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<v Speaker 1>Would you do it differently if you could do it again?

472
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<v Speaker 2>That's next. Oh what a classic. I hear you writing

473
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<v Speaker 2>all this.

474
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<v Speaker 1>Queen's run demn s. Happy holidays, y'all ride to Pete

475
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<v Speaker 1>fred Rogan on the two.

476
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<v Speaker 2>Day. Let's go Freddy? All right?

477
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<v Speaker 1>If you had to do it again, you can't. You

478
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 1>can't go backwards, but you can sit and reflect because

479
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:46.880
<v Speaker 1>we learned from things when we think about what we've

480
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<v Speaker 1>done in the past. If you had to do it again,

481
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<v Speaker 1>if you're the Lakers, would you have selected Jason Tatum

482
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<v Speaker 1>over Lonzo Ball? The Lakers had that opportunity. This was

483
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.920
<v Speaker 1>at the height of LaVar Ball and the ball saga

484
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:09.799
<v Speaker 1>nobody wants never mind. Yeah, it was the height of

485
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<v Speaker 1>this and of course Magic and Rob Polinka were there

486
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<v Speaker 1>and they picked Lonzo Ball. They did not pick Jason Tatum. Rodney,

487
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<v Speaker 1>if you could go backwards, you think you'd make the

488
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<v Speaker 1>same choice. Oh no, not even clothes. If you're going

489
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:27.119
<v Speaker 1>backwards and you got a chance to do it.

490
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<v Speaker 2>Do over.

491
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<v Speaker 1>You don't take Lonzo Ball, you take Jason Tatum, for sure.

492
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<v Speaker 1>That's not even a question. Yeah, that's that's not even

493
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:43.799
<v Speaker 1>it's a no brainerd okay. So you would take Lonzo Ball, well,

494
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>you take Jason and Jason Tatum, Jason Tatum. So Magic

495
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.799
<v Speaker 1>was asked that question and he answered, and Jason Tatum's

496
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>agent was asked that question and he answered, and let's

497
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<v Speaker 1>hear the sound.

498
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Of magic.

499
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<v Speaker 4>We were top heavy and forwards. I couldn't take him

500
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 4>because we had Brandon Ingram who was only in his

501
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 4>second year, Julius Rando, Larry Nance Junior. So I had

502
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:19.519
<v Speaker 4>already too many forwards already there was already problems because

503
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 4>they all wanted to play right. And so if I

504
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 4>took another forward, we wouldn't never see this Tatum if

505
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.440
<v Speaker 4>he had end up with the Lakers, because he would

506
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:33.000
<v Speaker 4>have been sitting on that bench because we were already had

507
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 4>Julius and Brandon Ingram starting right. So I'm just happy

508
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 4>that we needed a point guard at that time, and

509
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.559
<v Speaker 4>that's why we took Lonzo Ball, and we didn't need

510
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:50.000
<v Speaker 4>the locker room to have any problems with another young forward.

511
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<v Speaker 4>But I'm happy what's happened for Jason Jason because he's

512
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<v Speaker 4>been amazing with the Celtics.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So that's what Magic is selling. Are you

514
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.039
<v Speaker 2>buying it, Rodney? Yeah?

515
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it's just it happens. It happens in

516
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot, you know, a lot of situations where you

517
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 1>got too young guys playing the same position that you

518
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 1>believe are going to be elite in this league and

519
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>brandon Ingram and Julius Randall and and Larry Nance Jr.

520
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Behind it that that you feel like we're we're loaded

521
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.559
<v Speaker 1>at that position. We're loaded right there. So what we

522
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.359
<v Speaker 1>need is somebody to run the show. And I don't

523
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<v Speaker 1>know any people you know, don't forget at that time,

524
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Lonzo Ball was as big as it got.

525
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<v Speaker 2>And the run that U. C.

526
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<v Speaker 1>L A had and then ended up losing to Kentucky

527
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<v Speaker 1>in the in the NCAA Tournament, but the run that

528
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>they had and the excitement that he brought to this city,

529
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>it was humongous. Fred I mean, I know people don't

530
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 1>want to remember that and remember that time, but it

531
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<v Speaker 1>was big and Lonzo Ball was at the height of it,

532
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 1>and the the center of it. And here's a guy

533
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, six to six second play defense. He

534
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a great shooter, but he could handle the ball

535
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<v Speaker 1>and run the show and play d so at that time,

536
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:16.799
<v Speaker 1>and he was a local kid, so I understood it.

537
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I think everybody believed that Jason Tatum probably was, you know,

538
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.039
<v Speaker 1>at the maybe the better player, but the fit for

539
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:27.799
<v Speaker 1>what the Lakers were looking for.

540
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<v Speaker 2>It made sense.

541
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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was the same that was the same Draftably,

542
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<v Speaker 1>Markel Folts went number one, right, so a lot of people,

543
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<v Speaker 1>I mean he was does not shy away from that

544
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:44.279
<v Speaker 1>to either, because everyone had him number one. For whatever reason,

545
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.960
<v Speaker 1>people had him number one in that draft, and he

546
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>ended up going to the sixers and just was not

547
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the guy people thought he was, but had an unbelievable

548
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<v Speaker 1>college run. And so look, there are a lot of

549
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>things that you can look back on we should have took.

550
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure all the teams that passed on

551
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Brady had passed on my Homes, Like, oh, we had

552
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:06.759
<v Speaker 1>him and down.

553
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.279
<v Speaker 2>In the third round. We should have got him in

554
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<v Speaker 2>the first round.

555
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<v Speaker 1>If we had to go do that over again, we

556
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>were certainly pick Patrick Mahomes are you kidding me, So

557
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.279
<v Speaker 1>it happens, but at that time, being a local UCLA kid,

558
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 1>with all the hype and what they did and mad

559
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:24.559
<v Speaker 1>that run ran to stay in LA and be a Laker,

560
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.799
<v Speaker 1>it made sense. It made sense at the time. Now, Adam,

561
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>you have sound from the agent.

562
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

563
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<v Speaker 5>Jason Tatum's agent, Jeff Wexler, spoke about this, and he

564
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.680
<v Speaker 5>responded to Magic Johnson specifically talking about how Jason Tatum

565
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.279
<v Speaker 5>didn't want to do a workout for the Lakers and

566
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 5>that was part of the reasoning going behind this. Here's

567
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:46.599
<v Speaker 5>what Jason Tatum's agent said.

568
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.079
<v Speaker 6>Magic's correct in what he said, but the way it

569
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.599
<v Speaker 6>was presented was a little different. I mean, everyone knows

570
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<v Speaker 6>that the draft starts in June and guys finish the

571
00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 6>end of March, Madness, and they work out for months.

572
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 6>Will Jason worked out in LA for months, training with

573
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:07.000
<v Speaker 6>Drew Handlin there and the Lakers knew that he was

574
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:11.559
<v Speaker 6>in LA and never called, And in late June they

575
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:13.440
<v Speaker 6>called and wanted to bring him in for a workout,

576
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.799
<v Speaker 6>but by that time everyone knew that they were taking

577
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 6>Lonzo Ball. So when Rob Polinka called me and asked

578
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.680
<v Speaker 6>if they could work Jason out, I said, well, if

579
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 6>you're not going to take them, why are you working

580
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 6>them out? And so I said, get me on a

581
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<v Speaker 6>call with Magic and we'll talk about it.

582
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<v Speaker 3>So he set that up.

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<v Speaker 6>A few days later, get on the call with Magic,

584
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<v Speaker 6>I think it was around June thirteenth, and I said, Magic,

585
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 6>you know everyone knows you're taking Lonzo Ball. He goes, yeah,

586
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.039
<v Speaker 6>well we're really heavy at forward position and we need

587
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:49.759
<v Speaker 6>to take a point guard, and so you know that's

588
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Speaker 6>probably who we're going to take. He says, but we'd

589
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 6>like to look at everybody. And I'm like, well, if

590
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 6>you're not going to take my guy, he's been out

591
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.559
<v Speaker 6>there all summer, he's now in St. Louis, he's working

592
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 6>out for other teams. I'm not gonna fly him back

593
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:03.519
<v Speaker 6>across the country for a workout when you guys aren't

594
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 6>going to take them. And that's that's how it went down.

595
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<v Speaker 1>You know something, I actually buy all of that. I

596
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 1>buy Magic's explanation. I think the agent pretty much confirmed

597
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 1>what Magic said. Yeah, I wish it wasn't that way.

598
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.519
<v Speaker 1>And as it turned out, Larry Nance, Julius Randall, and

599
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Brandon Ingram not even here anymore correct.

600
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<v Speaker 2>But then they were.

601
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<v Speaker 1>And that absolutely makes sense because even when they took

602
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Linzo Ball we were doing the show, I went, now, yeah, no, no, no,

603
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.039
<v Speaker 1>it was not that the Ball family was affecting a

604
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of that too, and it's like, oh, do we

605
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>need them and just say, oh no, don't do it,

606
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<v Speaker 1>don't do it.

607
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 2>I remember that.

608
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:49.559
<v Speaker 1>But at that time, again, much like Markel Folts, people

609
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>had him highly ranked. It was back and forth between

610
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:55.559
<v Speaker 1>him and Tatum and who should go second and all

611
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 1>those things.

612
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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't.

613
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<v Speaker 1>I do remember distinctly that Markel Folts was pretty much

614
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<v Speaker 1>a consensus number one piche.

615
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 2>And you know it's it's it's.

616
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Hindsight's easy, right, It's easy to look up and go, yeah,

617
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:13.559
<v Speaker 1>look at what Jason Tatum's doing now, and he you know,

618
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.800
<v Speaker 1>he's killing it and he's you know, top three to

619
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>four player in the league. Blah blah blah, and they

620
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:20.159
<v Speaker 1>should have Lakers had a chance to get him and

621
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>they didn't get them. That happens every year, happens all

622
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the time. And you know, time will tell on certain guys.

623
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<v Speaker 1>There's guys that been can't miss, guys that didn't didn't

624
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.360
<v Speaker 1>make it, or guys that you know, this guy's gonna

625
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:34.119
<v Speaker 1>be a bust and turns out to be a superstar.

626
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.639
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's it's.

627
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Hard, And I guess the problem is if maybe Magic

628
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 1>plays it differently and says, yeah, no, we're thinking about

629
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<v Speaker 1>taking Jason and have him come out for a workout,

630
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<v Speaker 1>instead of saying maybe we're taking a Lonzo. Probably gonna

631
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<v Speaker 1>take a Lonzo because we need a point guard, which

632
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<v Speaker 1>probably offended the agent and offended Jason Tatum.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know you're not gonna take me. Why you

634
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<v Speaker 2>work why you want me to come in for a workout?

635
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<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, you know, those you know, egos get

636
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<v Speaker 1>involved a lot of times, not only just with the players,

637
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.840
<v Speaker 1>but also with the agents as well. It's like, my

638
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>guy is gonna go in the top five, you know,

639
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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not gonna pander anybody. We've we've got the

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<v Speaker 1>cards on our side. So you had a chance to

641
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<v Speaker 1>see him all summer and you didn't, so why should

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<v Speaker 1>he come in for a workout. I get that part

643
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<v Speaker 1>of it too. All right, next hour, we'll do uh,

644
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<v Speaker 1>we'll do more on the Lakers, the Salta Adam Arsenal

645
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<v Speaker 1>Jonas will also talk some Clippers as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Today.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 2>One Weekly Chat with our good friend Jacob and Ronnie. Jacob,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>Today, Good afternoon, How are you guys doing doing well?

657
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<v Speaker 2>Good, doing good?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Jacob, we were kidding us around the other

659
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<v Speaker 1>day about Magic's personal reasons absence.

660
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Then we find out that he's got a bad foot.

661
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<v Speaker 2>I mean Lebron. I mean Lebron.

662
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<v Speaker 1>When I say Magic, Lebron, Magic h Lebron's personal reason absence.

663
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<v Speaker 1>And then we find out he said he has a

664
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<v Speaker 1>bad foot. I think that might have been a better

665
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<v Speaker 1>play at the beginning of the whole thing, like my

666
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>foot a sore.

667
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it would have been nice so that you know,

668
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.239
<v Speaker 3>there's not a thousand stories going left and right. I mean,

669
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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the day, you know, in the

670
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<v Speaker 3>world of social media, everyone's gonna have their own twist

671
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.960
<v Speaker 3>on it. But you know, as Laker fans, you know,

672
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:30.199
<v Speaker 3>we would understand that he needed a break, and we

673
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.599
<v Speaker 3>were wishing that it was nothing more than just the

674
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 3>need of a break. And he comes back and you know,

675
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<v Speaker 3>you could tell what a bit of rest does for.

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<v Speaker 5>You, Right.

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<v Speaker 3>They not caught a hot team in Memphis, and you know,

678
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.119
<v Speaker 3>you're hoping that they're going to get on a you know,

679
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 3>little run.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's Lebron and he would come out and say,

681
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<v Speaker 1>I just I need a break for a game, four days,

682
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<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be, I'm just taking a break. He

683
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<v Speaker 1>would have got crucified for that, right, he would have

684
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.039
<v Speaker 1>got crucified. People would have not because there's always that

685
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<v Speaker 1>balance of people that either love Lebron hate Lebron. There's

686
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>very few people in the middle that will just you know, understand.

687
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<v Speaker 1>And if he had come out and said I just

688
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<v Speaker 1>need a break, people would have killed him, don't you think.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Absolutely. But I think the other part of it

690
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<v Speaker 3>is you can never you know, you can never keep

691
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<v Speaker 3>everybody happy, right, And I think based on the trajectory

692
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<v Speaker 3>of how he had been playing, you know, they could

693
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<v Speaker 3>have just basically you know, tried to you know, wind

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<v Speaker 3>down his minutes or just give him a night off.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I understand there's all these brand new elite

696
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<v Speaker 3>rules that are going on, and you know, last year

697
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<v Speaker 3>when somebody didn't want to play, they would just say, oh,

698
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<v Speaker 3>he's got a toe problem, or he's got that problem,

699
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<v Speaker 3>or he's you know, his nail fell off or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that. But I mean, I think it was pretty

701
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<v Speaker 3>obvious that he was pushing himself, you know, at a

702
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<v Speaker 3>high level and it wasn't working out and he needed

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<v Speaker 3>to get a rest. And I'm glad he got a

704
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<v Speaker 3>rest because I mean, again, you don't win, you know,

705
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<v Speaker 3>you don't win playoff games in November and December, and

706
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<v Speaker 3>this is a time for the coaching to have to

707
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<v Speaker 3>be you know, to be smart about it. But what

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't very sure about it that every time they

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<v Speaker 3>would ask the coach, he would say, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, I think that kind of set into it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that people started to go rampant with the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Jacob, So, I think the Lakers basically are exactly

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<v Speaker 1>where they're supposed to be. I'm not saying I'm not

714
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<v Speaker 1>saying it bad. That's exactly where they're supposed to what

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<v Speaker 1>do you.

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<v Speaker 3>Think there you go, Fred?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it means don't get too excited, don't get

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<v Speaker 2>too depressed. It's it's right where they should be.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen. I mean we talk about this, right, we talk

720
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<v Speaker 3>about it every year. It's December. Uh, you know, the

721
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:56.480
<v Speaker 3>trade opportunities are opening up. We want to always get

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00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 3>better every year that goes by, and some of our

723
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:04.239
<v Speaker 3>player put more mileage on. You need pressure legs to

724
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<v Speaker 3>play that defense, you know, on the wing and try

725
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<v Speaker 3>to stop some of those guards. And uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I won't disagree with you that you know, we are

727
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<v Speaker 3>where we're going to be. I guess I'd like to

728
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<v Speaker 3>be positive and think about where are we going to be?

729
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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's what I'm kind of looking forward to, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Which direction are we going to go? And what can

731
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<v Speaker 3>we bring on in order to help you know, some

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<v Speaker 3>of those veteran legs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Jacob as this Cup comes down to Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>see in Milwaukee and obviously Lakers won it last year

735
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<v Speaker 1>and and only people that really care about it are

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<v Speaker 1>the players that are involved, teams that are involved in it,

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<v Speaker 1>really because the players, you know, I don't care how

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<v Speaker 1>much money you're making when you get, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars for winning something real quick. That's a that's

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<v Speaker 1>a nice chunk of change in your cut in your pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>But what do you make Because a lot has been

742
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<v Speaker 1>said of the of the NBA and it's lack of ratings,

743
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>it's uh, it's decline and viewership and all those things.

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00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:06.639
<v Speaker 1>What do you make of that? And what can the

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<v Speaker 1>NBA do? And then there's complaints now about the All

746
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<v Speaker 1>Star Game and entertained in the format and what the

747
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>format may be. What can the NBA do to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of boost itself and bring back the fans for watching

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<v Speaker 1>at least during the regular season.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's a great question. I mean, obviously, you

751
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:26.679
<v Speaker 3>know they get paid the big bucks to come up

752
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:28.440
<v Speaker 3>with the ideas. But I mean, you know, I just

753
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:33.159
<v Speaker 3>read that viewership's down twenty eight to thirty three percent. Yeah,

754
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 3>and you can tell even with the NBA Cup. You

755
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 3>can understand that with this Cup unless you got some

756
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:41.119
<v Speaker 3>big markets going at it, I don't know how many

757
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:44.840
<v Speaker 3>people really care about, you know, Oklahoma City winning this

758
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.840
<v Speaker 3>or not. Of course, if you're making half a million

759
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.480
<v Speaker 3>dollars or more, of course, you know people are going

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<v Speaker 3>to be excited about it. I just feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in a in a world where there's so many more options,

762
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<v Speaker 3>and I mean more like even locally here in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States, for people to be watching so many other sports,

764
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<v Speaker 3>it's difficult to continue to keep people engaged. And I

765
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.280
<v Speaker 3>thought it was a good idea to bring this Cup in,

766
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:12.039
<v Speaker 3>but then now you end up seeing you know, Oklahoma

767
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.800
<v Speaker 3>City going to be playing against Milwaukee, and you would think, okay,

768
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.880
<v Speaker 3>people are going to be following Milwaukee, but Milwaukee's had

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<v Speaker 3>their ups and downs as well. I don't know how

770
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<v Speaker 3>much following they got, so I don't know how much

771
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.480
<v Speaker 3>rating they're going to get. I think this NBA Championship,

772
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:27.960
<v Speaker 3>like this NBA Cup Championship, is going to come and go,

773
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.199
<v Speaker 3>and I don't think they're going to get much rating

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00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 3>for it. I haven't watched any of them. I don't

775
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<v Speaker 3>think I'm going to be super excited to watch it.

776
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<v Speaker 3>My kids keep asking me, who do I think is

777
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:38.880
<v Speaker 3>going to win? And I keep saying, I think it's

778
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:41.880
<v Speaker 3>going to be okay. See, but you know, those kids

779
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 3>are watching it because Fantasy, you know, is now getting people,

780
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:49.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, to watch everything, not because that's their favorite team.

781
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:51.400
<v Speaker 3>It's just because they have them as part of their

782
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.199
<v Speaker 3>fantasy team, so they're going to keep watching, which is incredible.

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00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:55.920
<v Speaker 3>It's another conversation on its own.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Jacob, this will be our final time talking

785
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:02.639
<v Speaker 1>to you this year. Any advice for folks during this

786
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:04.599
<v Speaker 1>holiday season if anything happens to.

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<v Speaker 3>Them, Yes, please number one. You know, holidays are coming.

788
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<v Speaker 3>Happy holiday to all of our amazing listeners. I fersontally

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00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 3>want to say thanks to the two of you guys

790
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.519
<v Speaker 3>for everything you've done and your team over there. But

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<v Speaker 3>I will tell you in December, we normally see a

792
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:25.239
<v Speaker 3>rise in motorcycle accidents, and we haven't talked about motorcycle

793
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 3>accidents for a while. The injuries are massive. There are

794
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.480
<v Speaker 3>always a lot more serious than people who get injured

795
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:34.360
<v Speaker 3>in car accidents. And I just want to you know,

796
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 3>I just want to encourage people to put on your helmets,

797
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, be a little bit more careful. People are

798
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.079
<v Speaker 3>driving around trying to get you know, holiday shopping done,

799
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.199
<v Speaker 3>trying to get everything that they need done. People are

800
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:48.199
<v Speaker 3>not paying as much attention and just be very careful.

801
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<v Speaker 3>And when it comes to motorcycle accidents, you really need

802
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 3>to make sure that if you are in one of

803
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.800
<v Speaker 3>those accidents that you do, you know, talk to a lawyer,

804
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.480
<v Speaker 3>make sure that you know your rights, because with motorcycle accidents,

805
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:03.119
<v Speaker 3>your rights disappear real quick because the evidence disappears real quick.

806
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:05.800
<v Speaker 3>And we handle a lot of those, who have handled

807
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 3>thousands of them during my career. And I do hope

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00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.880
<v Speaker 3>that you know people are safe, but if something occurs,

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<v Speaker 3>I want them to know we're there for them throughout

810
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<v Speaker 3>the holidays. We don't stop, we don't close, We're always

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<v Speaker 3>there for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Got right, Jacob, Thank you, Thank you for a terrific year. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you guys. We love you. Have a safe holiday

814
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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk next year.

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<v Speaker 3>I love you, guys, and stay healthy, happy holidays to

816
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<v Speaker 3>your beautiful families, and thank you for all you do.

817
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, if you want to win in one specific division,

819
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 1>we will tell you where the money is being spent.

820
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.320
<v Speaker 1>And when we come back, there's some tweaks to the

821
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<v Speaker 1>NBA All Star Game, so who can wait for that?

822
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<v Speaker 1>You'll have to