Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Fred Rogan or Rodney Peach
Speaker 1: on a five seventy LA Sports.
Speaker 2: We've got a big three hour program for you today. Rodney.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing just fine there, Freddy. Getting closer and closer
Speaker 1: the Christmas day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the holidays, Freddie, in the holidays, all of that,
Speaker 1: all of it. So happy Hanikah, happy Kwanza, happy Christmas
Speaker 1: and all of those things. Freddie, it's right around the corner.
Speaker 1: I'm man it excited. It's my favorite time of year.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's get to this off the top.
Speaker 1: A surprise? You ever had a surprise? I mean, do
Speaker 1: you like to be surprised?
Speaker 2: Rodney? I don't. I don't either. I'm not a sur
Speaker 2: Some people love being surprised. My daughter loves it.
Speaker 1: She loves being surprised, and she loves to give people surprises.
Speaker 2: But I'm more like you. I don't need a surprise.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Tell me what's going on and I'll be excited. Give
Speaker 1: me the word and let me get ready. Are you
Speaker 1: the ones that are you? Are you one of those
Speaker 1: guys that your family or a close friend, they they
Speaker 1: they tell you the surprise. They let you know. Fred
Speaker 1: they're gonna give me a surprise. You just act like
Speaker 1: you're surprised your wife, that's fair, your friends, kids that yeah.
Speaker 1: And here's here's why that doesn't happen, because first, nobody
Speaker 1: gives me anything like a surprise, and they know I'm
Speaker 1: bad at them. Hey Dad, we're gonna surprise you. Actually
Speaker 1: that's never been said.
Speaker 2: Never.
Speaker 1: No one ever surprises me because I don't like surprises.
Speaker 1: I like to know what's going on. That's just who
Speaker 1: I am. And if there's gonna be a change in
Speaker 1: my life, I'd like to know about it. If something's
Speaker 1: going to occur, and I want to be in on it.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the story of Devin Williams, the
Speaker 1: closer for the Milwaukee Brewers. Now, we mentioned that the
Speaker 1: Dodgers were interested in Devin Williams and Tanner Scott. Tanner
Speaker 1: Scott's going to cost money. And I even said, when
Speaker 1: this news broke, Rodney, my god, get Devin Williams. That
Speaker 1: guy is a stud closer. So the Dodgers were interested.
Speaker 1: People were talking about it, and apparently we've now learned
Speaker 1: that Devin Williams thought he was going to the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Here listen, was this anything that was on your radar?
Speaker 2: Did you think this was a possibility, To be honest,
Speaker 2: I didn't really think so. I thought, you know, I
Speaker 2: kind of thought i'd be going to LA. I was
Speaker 2: what I was being told.
Speaker 3: And you know, the Yankee snuck in there under the
Speaker 3: table and you know, got the deal done.
Speaker 1: So Devin Williams was told he was going to LA.
Speaker 1: I'd said, what a great move it would have been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he's probably going, let me see where I'm gonna
Speaker 1: live out there. I mean, I'm going to La. The
Speaker 1: world sooner he's picking it out. You think he's going
Speaker 1: to let me see Manhattan Beach, Newport, you know, Glendale,
Speaker 1: you know Pasadena, La Studio city, where Camp Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: Where where am I gonna live? Right?
Speaker 1: Going through it, so many choices, yes, yes, And then
Speaker 1: he gets the word that you are traded. So I
Speaker 1: guess he's looking for the first flight to LAX. But
Speaker 1: then he's re routed from Newark because he's going to
Speaker 1: the Yankees. He even thought he was coming to the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: He thought he would be closing for the Dodgers next year.
Speaker 1: Instead he will pitch for the Yankees. Now I don't
Speaker 1: know Devin Williams, but just hearing that, he sounded absolutely miserable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't sound very good, right, he didn't sound happy.
Speaker 2: How'd you about this?
Speaker 1: Will, To be honest with you, I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to LA That's what I was being told, But
Speaker 1: then the Yankees snuck in at the last minute.
Speaker 2: So I wonder what happened there.
Speaker 1: How do you think that lands in New York on
Speaker 1: the fan or one of those one of those sports
Speaker 1: radio channels that people call in and talk about it.
Speaker 1: How do you think that lands brutal? I mean, he
Speaker 1: was honest. I'll give him credit for that, but that's
Speaker 1: not going to suit him. Well there, he better be
Speaker 1: lights out right from day one, but he couldn't because
Speaker 1: he's really good.
Speaker 2: He's really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'd be curious to find out, and eventually
Speaker 1: David Vassai will come on and explain what happened. But
Speaker 1: the Dodgers were interested in Devin Williams so much so
Speaker 1: he thought he was coming here. But that didn't work. Crazy,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I might fire my agent, might fire my agent.
Speaker 1: If I don't know, you know that I get kind
Speaker 1: of thrown in that kind of loop.
Speaker 2: Red.
Speaker 1: You know, he's supposed to know these things, right if
Speaker 1: you're the agent, you're supposed to know what's going on
Speaker 1: and kind of be in the mix. And they're calling you,
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out, Hey, we need them to
Speaker 1: come in for a physical.
Speaker 2: All those things start to happen. We've got to come
Speaker 2: in for a physical.
Speaker 1: We got to get you know, looking into some flights
Speaker 1: to New York, you know what, we're getting ready for
Speaker 1: this thing. So there's a there is a there's some
Speaker 1: sort of knowledge that is that happens even with the trade.
Speaker 2: At least it should.
Speaker 1: At least it should, and I'm saying that it does,
Speaker 1: and somebody's withholding the information because it can't just happen
Speaker 1: on a whim. I mean it can. You know, people say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we made a last minute deal. But even if it's
Speaker 1: a last minute deal, somebody's calling the team, the agent, somebody, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're about to make this trade for Devin. Where is
Speaker 1: he right now? We just want to let you know
Speaker 1: because they don't know Devin makes it. I'm retiring, I
Speaker 1: ain't playing for the Yankees. You know, they don't know
Speaker 1: that for sure. So there's got to be some sort
Speaker 1: of contact, and then where does that fall Who does
Speaker 1: that fall on?
Speaker 2: Is it the agent?
Speaker 1: Is it the club that he's being traded from, But
Speaker 1: it's somebody that's got to let him know, Hey, this
Speaker 1: is a possibility, this is real. These are the two
Speaker 1: teams of all Oh the latest is and you got
Speaker 1: your phone in your hand walking around if you're Devin
Speaker 1: Williams going okay, where's it going to be? But for
Speaker 1: him to say, I thought I was going to LA
Speaker 1: and that blindsided me. It's just that bad business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: number of levels, a number of levels. Could you imagine
Speaker 1: his phone rings and he goes, Dave Andrew, No, this
Speaker 1: is Brian Cashman.
Speaker 2: Why are you call?
Speaker 1: I'm expecting your call. Could you hang out? I'll call
Speaker 1: you back. No, I am the call you're expecting. Congratulations.
Speaker 2: That's bad business, Frid that business.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't see how that can happen,
Speaker 1: you know, and it get I get guys, you know,
Speaker 1: certain things happen with like with guys don't know, guys
Speaker 1: get cut or released, you know, And it happened so
Speaker 1: fast that that you know, certain guys that you've heard
Speaker 1: the stories, guys find out through social media that they
Speaker 1: got cut or they got released before trade to go through.
Speaker 1: There's so many there's so many factors too that have
Speaker 1: to happen.
Speaker 3: First.
Speaker 2: Got to figure out the guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, even even if you don't have a no
Speaker 1: trade clause, there are guys that just say I don't
Speaker 1: want to play for that team and I ain't going.
Speaker 1: So you can try to trade me all you want,
Speaker 1: but I'm sitting out or I'm retiring. Don't you need
Speaker 1: to know that first? So somebody knows. Somebody knows, and
Speaker 1: that's holding back and just maybe they do it to
Speaker 1: social didn't get ahold of it first. Yeah, Well, as
Speaker 1: a player, I'm mad. I'm upset about that whole situation.
Speaker 1: Not upset at the Yankees. And you went to the
Speaker 1: Yankees because obviously a good organization. But the fake, the
Speaker 1: way it went down, the way it went down, and
Speaker 1: me not knowing and thinking one thing and it happened
Speaker 1: to be another, that's the problem. So he ends up
Speaker 1: with the Yankees, but he was on the Dodger radar
Speaker 1: right now, what you confirm that? Let me give you
Speaker 1: another player that's still out there now, Dodger fans, I
Speaker 1: want you to think about this. You know there were
Speaker 1: three big pictures that were free agents, Blake Snell, Max
Speaker 1: Freed and Corbyn Burns. And the funny thing was we
Speaker 1: had a conversation, oh a month ago and Rodney, I
Speaker 1: think you asked me which one would you pick? And
Speaker 1: I said Corbyn Burns, that'd be if the guy would
Speaker 1: pick you took Blake Snell, and then Max Freed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Corbyn Burns Yep, okay. So the Dodger signed
Speaker 1: Blake Snell, Yes.
Speaker 2: They did, Paddy.
Speaker 1: The Yankees agree to a deal with Max Freed. Why
Speaker 1: is Corbyn Burns still sitting there? Why is he still available?
Speaker 1: There's going to want to be a ten year deal. Fred,
Speaker 1: like you hate at okay, you know what? You might
Speaker 1: be a thousand percent right. On the other hand, maybe
Speaker 1: somebody knows something and no one's saying it. But the
Speaker 1: sense now is that Rodney, he might do the old
Speaker 1: Blake sneill give me two years a lot of money,
Speaker 1: and I can opt out after the first year. I'll
Speaker 1: do the short one for more money per year, and
Speaker 1: then I'll try again. So if he says, you know what,
Speaker 1: pay me twenty seven million this year, give me twenty
Speaker 1: seven give me thirty, I can opt out after the
Speaker 1: first year if I have a great year. If he
Speaker 1: says that and you're the Dodgers, you bite it that, Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: I do, Yes, I do. You're talking about a short
Speaker 1: term deal, guy one of the best in the business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bite at that. I buy it that because it
Speaker 1: it leaves your issue Fred with the number of years.
Speaker 1: So you got a guy for two, possibly three. He's
Speaker 1: he's the top three to five pitchers in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not locked in forever. He kind of already know
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get with him because he's a stud.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, I'm jumping all over that two years. I'm
Speaker 1: not committed long term. I got an opportunity. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm doing that deal.
Speaker 2: I think I would too. What about you? I think
Speaker 2: I think I'm doing a heartbeat. Honestly, I doing a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven million, twenty seven that is that the average
Speaker 1: of what Freed got in au per value average out.
Speaker 2: I think think.
Speaker 1: Freed got two hundred and something right, two hundred and eighteen.
Speaker 1: May believe he got yeah, stff like that. I think
Speaker 1: he got more than that. But I'm just saying make
Speaker 1: it around. How about twenty five thirty twenty five. You're
Speaker 1: on the hook for fifty five million if he stays
Speaker 1: both years. He stays both years and it's it's his option. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give him an option after the first year, do it.
Speaker 1: Let's just bring him into the rotation.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Now, if that were to happen, and again it's odd
Speaker 1: to me that he's still sitting there, but if that
Speaker 1: were to happen, Now you look at the pitching staff,
Speaker 1: Blake Snell, corn Burn, saw young guys whit Snell, Corbyn
Speaker 1: burns class now Yamamoto Otani when he's ready to go,
Speaker 1: whatever young guy is ready to go with the rest
Speaker 1: of the group. If they get Sazaki, that would be
Speaker 1: the greatest rotation in baseball. That would be like the
Speaker 1: old Baltimore Oriel rotation when they had four man rotations.
Speaker 1: That that would be like wow, that would be mind
Speaker 1: me believe if they could do that.
Speaker 2: They would be I mean, it would be unfair. It
Speaker 2: would be unfair.
Speaker 1: I mean, look what the Dodgers did with the half
Speaker 1: the rotation or three fourths of the rotation hurt this year,
Speaker 1: and they way they were able to go and dominate
Speaker 1: most of it and then win the World Series and
Speaker 1: figure out how to work the bullpen the way they did.
Speaker 1: As you got that staff going for you as their room.
Speaker 1: Here's a question, though, is their room? You know you
Speaker 1: got all these guys, is that what are you gonna
Speaker 1: go for an eight man rotation?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: What you make for them in that scenario, you make room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll find a place. Don't worry about it, because someone
Speaker 1: is gonna get you know what. Someone's gonna get a
Speaker 1: sore arm. Someone's gonna have to miss a couple of starts. Okay,
Speaker 1: but soon they're all healthy to start the season, well
Speaker 1: except for Otani, uh, to start the season. How do
Speaker 1: you how do you manage that rotation you got? You
Speaker 1: got six guys at six legitimate starters? I know, I
Speaker 1: mean what do you do?
Speaker 2: Can you have that.
Speaker 1: Somebody being either pissed off or somebody not being You're
Speaker 1: not getting the most out of your staff.
Speaker 2: Here's what you would do. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't think they've considered this yet, but since we
Speaker 1: discussed it, I will give you the solution. Okay, every
Speaker 1: game you use two guys, so one guy goes five innings,
Speaker 1: one guy goes four. So in this game, it's Blake
Speaker 1: Snell and Corbyn burns. Those are your pictures. You don't
Speaker 1: even need a bullpen the next game. If you have
Speaker 1: that many pitchers, you just split them in half. What
Speaker 1: do you think of that plan? Terrible? It's being ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Why you only use two pictures. You don't need a bullpen.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about, Well, you still have to
Speaker 2: bullpen guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying if you have that many starting pitchers,
Speaker 1: then a guy doesn't have to go all the time.
Speaker 1: Then you preserve his arm. Then he's good for when
Speaker 1: he needs to be good at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: So you go into the game planning on using two pitchers,
Speaker 1: two of your starters. Yes, that's how you going into
Speaker 1: every game. That's how I would do it. And then
Speaker 1: if it plays out where you use the bullpen later
Speaker 1: in the seventh, eight or ninth in and then you
Speaker 1: use the bullpen. But going into it, your starter is
Speaker 1: gonna give me four, and the next guy coming in,
Speaker 1: the second starter is going to try to give me
Speaker 1: three or four correct, whatever whatever.
Speaker 2: He can give me.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the first finish it off. The first
Speaker 1: guy goes five, the starter, yeah, then the coast starter
Speaker 1: goes four or four or five however you want to
Speaker 1: play it however you want. But I get the guy
Speaker 1: that starts should have the right to win the game.
Speaker 1: So he goes five innings. Okay, Now look at this,
Speaker 1: you're saving wear and tearing their arms and they're not
Speaker 1: throwing as many innings. So if you sign Corbyn Burns, that's.
Speaker 2: What you do. So you would the dumbest thing I've
Speaker 2: ever heard.
Speaker 1: You would need twelve people with a six day rotation,
Speaker 1: and the guy your starter and your coat starter, your
Speaker 1: starter's going he's at five innings with only forty seven pitches, right,
Speaker 1: he's throwing a one hitter. Yeah, shut out, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: still pulling him at five five innings.
Speaker 2: He's the starter, he's not the coat starter. That's right.
Speaker 1: We're gonna save everybody now for the playoffs. We're gonna
Speaker 1: make that decision in April. That's how Regardless, he's not
Speaker 1: going sixth inning, he's not going into the sixth or
Speaker 1: the seventh inning, all.
Speaker 2: Right, if.
Speaker 1: But then the coast starter gets to start tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: So there's a good things I'm saying. There's always gonna
Speaker 1: be factors that you add on. You just gonna keep
Speaker 1: adding on, adding on like sprinkles and strawberries and nuts
Speaker 1: and everything on it. If the starter happens to go
Speaker 1: and he's rolling and he's dealing, and he goes to
Speaker 1: six or seventh inning, then you scrap the coast starter.
Speaker 1: You just go from the starter to the bullpen, and
Speaker 1: you use the cot starter as the next starter for
Speaker 1: the next day. Listen, if you had not brought up
Speaker 1: the insane notion of well, where are you gonna pitch everybody?
Speaker 1: I'll find a place to pitch everybody.
Speaker 2: It'll be easy for me. I'll find places for everybody
Speaker 2: to pick.
Speaker 1: That's right. I would find a place for him to pitch.
Speaker 1: If you could get Corbyn Burns, I would find a
Speaker 1: place for him to pitch. I don't think it would
Speaker 1: be an issue. Wow, Diet, you imagine though, good glass
Speaker 1: now snell Yamamoto, burns Otani in your rotation.
Speaker 2: With and all those guys coming back, the possibility of
Speaker 2: the return of Kershaw.
Speaker 1: Oh that's too much. They would call unfair. They would
Speaker 1: call they would call bs unfair, dodgers, unfair practices. Okay,
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. Last year everybody complained about their hitters.
Speaker 1: That was unfair. They hit too well, they had too
Speaker 1: many guys that could hit too many MVPs in their lineup.
Speaker 1: All right, well, we won't really improve that this year.
Speaker 1: We'll just go get another cy young pitcher. We'll just
Speaker 1: have everybody went to sign Young in our rotation. How
Speaker 1: about we do that. We'll change it up this year.
Speaker 1: We're not stuck on one thing. We could do any
Speaker 1: number of things. I think that makes sense. That would
Speaker 1: be better than the Maddocks, Glavin It Smolt Atlanta Braves
Speaker 1: of the nineties. This would be the greatest rotation built
Speaker 1: in baseball history if they could go out and get him. No,
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee they're gonna sign them. There's no guarantee
Speaker 1: the reaction of the reaction of the rest of the
Speaker 1: league if they did that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they complain about.
Speaker 1: Tell you about Hayton boy, they would be they would
Speaker 1: be beside themselves. I don't know why they would complain.
Speaker 1: They didn't go out and sign another real hitter. That
Speaker 1: was their complaint last year. They just went and signed pictures.
Speaker 1: This year, this should make everybody happy. We didn't get one,
Speaker 1: so noo, everybody should be relieved. Now you see, we
Speaker 1: didn't get them. We're not those guys. We're not going
Speaker 1: to be crazy. We'll just go sign corpor and Burns instead.
Speaker 2: We'll put him in the rotation.
Speaker 1: God, it's fun to live here, so much fun to
Speaker 1: live here with this team.
Speaker 2: Dodger fans, come on, be happy. There's so much fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could be living in Kansas City right
Speaker 1: now with the Royals, which it wouldn't even speak of
Speaker 1: because you're too worried about the Chiefs. Here's the real problem.
Speaker 1: We just can do whatever we want. So we're not
Speaker 1: sure what we should do because we can do anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we own a monopoly team, a video game team. We're
Speaker 1: playing Madden. Except it's real money. It's real money, and
Speaker 1: that's okay. We're good.
Speaker 2: Now here's another question about real money.
Speaker 1: And look, we only know it's been reported, but it
Speaker 1: seems to be according to reports. Where is Tascar Hernandez?
Speaker 1: What's the deal with Tiascar Hernandez. There are unconfirmed rumors
Speaker 1: that there were at odds over the length of the
Speaker 1: contract and deferred money. Allegedly Tayo doesn't want money. Deferred
Speaker 1: length of contract and deferred money. Now, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you bridge that gap. I think you could convince
Speaker 1: somebody about the deferred money. Yeah, but the length of
Speaker 1: contract is a different story. And that was my concern
Speaker 1: from the beginning here Rodney Well, I mean from his standpoint, Look,
Speaker 1: he bet on himself, he had a great year, wants
Speaker 1: to be a Dodger, very clear. And if you're him,
Speaker 1: you want to try to finish your career here. You
Speaker 1: want to go out as a Dodger, so you want
Speaker 1: to try to get as many years as possible as
Speaker 1: a Dodger. You don't want to play here two more years,
Speaker 1: three years and then you know, in your mid thirties,
Speaker 1: try to go find another team for three years. You'd
Speaker 1: rather play it out as a Dodger. And if you
Speaker 1: happen to play, say it's six years or whatever it
Speaker 1: may be, and then you want to retire, you retire.
Speaker 1: But if you want to, you know, tack on an
Speaker 1: extra year, then that's gravy and you can give a
Speaker 1: home count, hometown discount, or goes and will else to
Speaker 1: play for a year with.
Speaker 2: But I get it.
Speaker 1: They want to play here and finish out their career
Speaker 1: at you know, as as a Dodger, win a couple
Speaker 1: more titles and and be done with it the deferment thing.
Speaker 2: I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think you can be That can be explained, that
Speaker 1: can be altered, that could be changed in many different
Speaker 1: scenarios to make that work. It is the number of years.
Speaker 1: So what if it's the same number annually but less years?
Speaker 1: Would you be okay with that? It's like twenty five
Speaker 1: twenty five? Yeah, say yeah, if he's if he's or
Speaker 1: you would have to bump the annual salary because he's
Speaker 1: knocking off.
Speaker 2: You're knocking off the number of years. So instead of.
Speaker 1: But five years, five years, one hundred and twenty million dollars,
Speaker 1: But that wouldn't make it because he was getting twenty
Speaker 1: he was going to get twenty one anyway, five years,
Speaker 1: five years one twenty five, five years one twenty five
Speaker 1: for tail And you say.
Speaker 2: You're not doing five years? What would you give him
Speaker 2: for three?
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's what I think the problem is. Let
Speaker 1: me just tell you what I think the problem is.
Speaker 1: I think they're willing to give him the money, but
Speaker 1: I think they're saying, for whatever amount that is, we'll
Speaker 1: add on an extra year. But if we add on
Speaker 1: an extra year, then we want to start deferring it.
Speaker 1: I think that's the problem. I think that's how they're
Speaker 1: trying to get to the number. So there's saying, we'll
Speaker 1: give you that extra year, but we have to defer
Speaker 1: part of your salary. He's saying, I don't want anybody deferred.
Speaker 1: I think that's what this is. Look, initially the feeling
Speaker 1: was he was gonna make twenty a year, Rodney, twenty
Speaker 1: a year Detroit, right out of the blocks, three years sixty.
Speaker 1: Then you heard Yankees five years, one hundred. It's twenty
Speaker 1: million a year. That's what it's going to be. Maybe
Speaker 1: a scoch more, I would think, but that's really the ballpark. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we know what we're playing. So what number do
Speaker 1: you want to get to? I want to get to
Speaker 1: one hundred. We can't do that. We're not giving you
Speaker 1: five years. Okay, Maybe we'll give you twenty five a
Speaker 1: year for three years and get you to seventy five.
Speaker 2: Right, you want that fourth year?
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what. We really don't want to go,
Speaker 1: but we will. But now we have to start deferring it.
Speaker 1: Are you deferring the entire four years or you deferring
Speaker 1: just that last year? I don't know. Maybe you defer
Speaker 1: the first two. Mm hmm, there's gonna be you're gonna
Speaker 1: get deferred money. That's how we're gonna do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we deft the first two. We're gonna get you the
Speaker 1: four year deal.
Speaker 2: Last two.
Speaker 1: You make your salary back, and you help us in
Speaker 1: these first two years. Right, it's somewhere in there. It's
Speaker 1: just where is it? And I think that's the issue.
Speaker 1: Where is it? And how does it get us to
Speaker 1: that number? Yeah, because this is what I thought from
Speaker 1: the beginning too many years.
Speaker 2: If the Dodgers are willing to.
Speaker 1: Say, okay, all right, we know who you are, we
Speaker 1: know how valuable you are, we know what you've done
Speaker 1: for the franchise, and in return, in return, we got
Speaker 1: to defer a little bit to get that extra year
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: I think that's where we're at with this.
Speaker 1: And it depends on what that deferment is, right, because
Speaker 1: it's not everybody's O tani where you can say, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I only take two million dollars salary, and because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make sixty off the field every single year, if
Speaker 1: not more so, I don't need the seventy or sixty
Speaker 1: eight seventy million dollars that I was I'm old, I'll
Speaker 1: just take two of that because all the marketing stuff
Speaker 1: that I do off the field is gonna make up
Speaker 1: for it for the next ten years that I'm playing here.
Speaker 1: Taylor didn't have that luxury, you know, so depending on
Speaker 1: where he is, it just could it could be one
Speaker 1: of those I'm not Otani. I'm not making that kind
Speaker 1: of money off the field. I want it now. So
Speaker 1: maybe it's part of it is how much we gonna
Speaker 1: defer it. Could it be half? If it is twenty
Speaker 1: a year, then we defer half of that the first
Speaker 1: two years you get to ten. Who knows, I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't know. It's just speculating right here. But hopefully
Speaker 1: they get it done because I think he uh, he
Speaker 1: was so big for for the Dodgers in their run,
Speaker 1: and it would be it would be just just synergy wise,
Speaker 1: it would be fantastic to bring him back. First ever
Speaker 1: West Coast Hoops Showdown takes place Saturday, December twenty eighth.
Speaker 1: UCLA and Gonzaga square off in the first ever college
Speaker 1: hoops game to be played at the Intuit Doom at Englewood.
Speaker 1: That game will be followed by a matchup between San
Speaker 1: Diego and Grand Canyon University. Tickets are on sale now
Speaker 1: at ticketmaster dot com. You can't put the toothpaste back
Speaker 1: in the tube, But what if you could a very
Speaker 1: important decision the Lakers made and it went the wrong way?
Speaker 1: Would you do it differently if you could do it again?
Speaker 2: That's next. Oh what a classic. I hear you writing
Speaker 2: all this.
Speaker 1: Queen's run demn s. Happy holidays, y'all ride to Pete
Speaker 1: fred Rogan on the two.
Speaker 2: Day. Let's go Freddy? All right?
Speaker 1: If you had to do it again, you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't go backwards, but you can sit and reflect because
Speaker 1: we learned from things when we think about what we've
Speaker 1: done in the past. If you had to do it again,
Speaker 1: if you're the Lakers, would you have selected Jason Tatum
Speaker 1: over Lonzo Ball? The Lakers had that opportunity. This was
Speaker 1: at the height of LaVar Ball and the ball saga
Speaker 1: nobody wants never mind. Yeah, it was the height of
Speaker 1: this and of course Magic and Rob Polinka were there
Speaker 1: and they picked Lonzo Ball. They did not pick Jason Tatum. Rodney,
Speaker 1: if you could go backwards, you think you'd make the
Speaker 1: same choice. Oh no, not even clothes. If you're going
Speaker 1: backwards and you got a chance to do it.
Speaker 2: Do over.
Speaker 1: You don't take Lonzo Ball, you take Jason Tatum, for sure.
Speaker 1: That's not even a question. Yeah, that's that's not even
Speaker 1: it's a no brainerd okay. So you would take Lonzo Ball, well,
Speaker 1: you take Jason and Jason Tatum, Jason Tatum. So Magic
Speaker 1: was asked that question and he answered, and Jason Tatum's
Speaker 1: agent was asked that question and he answered, and let's
Speaker 1: hear the sound.
Speaker 2: Of magic.
Speaker 4: We were top heavy and forwards. I couldn't take him
Speaker 4: because we had Brandon Ingram who was only in his
Speaker 4: second year, Julius Rando, Larry Nance Junior. So I had
Speaker 4: already too many forwards already there was already problems because
Speaker 4: they all wanted to play right. And so if I
Speaker 4: took another forward, we wouldn't never see this Tatum if
Speaker 4: he had end up with the Lakers, because he would
Speaker 4: have been sitting on that bench because we were already had
Speaker 4: Julius and Brandon Ingram starting right. So I'm just happy
Speaker 4: that we needed a point guard at that time, and
Speaker 4: that's why we took Lonzo Ball, and we didn't need
Speaker 4: the locker room to have any problems with another young forward.
Speaker 4: But I'm happy what's happened for Jason Jason because he's
Speaker 4: been amazing with the Celtics.
Speaker 2: All right, So that's what Magic is selling. Are you
Speaker 2: buying it, Rodney? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just it happens. It happens in
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, a lot of situations where you
Speaker 1: got too young guys playing the same position that you
Speaker 1: believe are going to be elite in this league and
Speaker 1: brandon Ingram and Julius Randall and and Larry Nance Jr.
Speaker 1: Behind it that that you feel like we're we're loaded
Speaker 1: at that position. We're loaded right there. So what we
Speaker 1: need is somebody to run the show. And I don't
Speaker 1: know any people you know, don't forget at that time,
Speaker 1: Lonzo Ball was as big as it got.
Speaker 2: And the run that U. C.
Speaker 1: L A had and then ended up losing to Kentucky
Speaker 1: in the in the NCAA Tournament, but the run that
Speaker 1: they had and the excitement that he brought to this city,
Speaker 1: it was humongous. Fred I mean, I know people don't
Speaker 1: want to remember that and remember that time, but it
Speaker 1: was big and Lonzo Ball was at the height of it,
Speaker 1: and the the center of it. And here's a guy
Speaker 1: that's you know, six to six second play defense. He
Speaker 1: wasn't a great shooter, but he could handle the ball
Speaker 1: and run the show and play d so at that time,
Speaker 1: and he was a local kid, so I understood it.
Speaker 1: I think everybody believed that Jason Tatum probably was, you know,
Speaker 1: at the maybe the better player, but the fit for
Speaker 1: what the Lakers were looking for.
Speaker 2: It made sense.
Speaker 1: I mean it was the same that was the same Draftably,
Speaker 1: Markel Folts went number one, right, so a lot of people,
Speaker 1: I mean he was does not shy away from that
Speaker 1: to either, because everyone had him number one. For whatever reason,
Speaker 1: people had him number one in that draft, and he
Speaker 1: ended up going to the sixers and just was not
Speaker 1: the guy people thought he was, but had an unbelievable
Speaker 1: college run. And so look, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: things that you can look back on we should have took.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure all the teams that passed on
Speaker 1: Brady had passed on my Homes, Like, oh, we had
Speaker 1: him and down.
Speaker 2: In the third round. We should have got him in
Speaker 2: the first round.
Speaker 1: If we had to go do that over again, we
Speaker 1: were certainly pick Patrick Mahomes are you kidding me, So
Speaker 1: it happens, but at that time, being a local UCLA kid,
Speaker 1: with all the hype and what they did and mad
Speaker 1: that run ran to stay in LA and be a Laker,
Speaker 1: it made sense. It made sense at the time. Now, Adam,
Speaker 1: you have sound from the agent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Jason Tatum's agent, Jeff Wexler, spoke about this, and he
Speaker 5: responded to Magic Johnson specifically talking about how Jason Tatum
Speaker 5: didn't want to do a workout for the Lakers and
Speaker 5: that was part of the reasoning going behind this. Here's
Speaker 5: what Jason Tatum's agent said.
Speaker 6: Magic's correct in what he said, but the way it
Speaker 6: was presented was a little different. I mean, everyone knows
Speaker 6: that the draft starts in June and guys finish the
Speaker 6: end of March, Madness, and they work out for months.
Speaker 6: Will Jason worked out in LA for months, training with
Speaker 6: Drew Handlin there and the Lakers knew that he was
Speaker 6: in LA and never called, And in late June they
Speaker 6: called and wanted to bring him in for a workout,
Speaker 6: but by that time everyone knew that they were taking
Speaker 6: Lonzo Ball. So when Rob Polinka called me and asked
Speaker 6: if they could work Jason out, I said, well, if
Speaker 6: you're not going to take them, why are you working
Speaker 6: them out? And so I said, get me on a
Speaker 6: call with Magic and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 3: So he set that up.
Speaker 6: A few days later, get on the call with Magic,
Speaker 6: I think it was around June thirteenth, and I said, Magic,
Speaker 6: you know everyone knows you're taking Lonzo Ball. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 6: well we're really heavy at forward position and we need
Speaker 6: to take a point guard, and so you know that's
Speaker 6: probably who we're going to take. He says, but we'd
Speaker 6: like to look at everybody. And I'm like, well, if
Speaker 6: you're not going to take my guy, he's been out
Speaker 6: there all summer, he's now in St. Louis, he's working
Speaker 6: out for other teams. I'm not gonna fly him back
Speaker 6: across the country for a workout when you guys aren't
Speaker 6: going to take them. And that's that's how it went down.
Speaker 1: You know something, I actually buy all of that. I
Speaker 1: buy Magic's explanation. I think the agent pretty much confirmed
Speaker 1: what Magic said. Yeah, I wish it wasn't that way.
Speaker 1: And as it turned out, Larry Nance, Julius Randall, and
Speaker 1: Brandon Ingram not even here anymore correct.
Speaker 2: But then they were.
Speaker 1: And that absolutely makes sense because even when they took
Speaker 1: Linzo Ball we were doing the show, I went, now, yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was not that the Ball family was affecting a
Speaker 1: lot of that too, and it's like, oh, do we
Speaker 1: need them and just say, oh no, don't do it,
Speaker 1: don't do it.
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 1: But at that time, again, much like Markel Folts, people
Speaker 1: had him highly ranked. It was back and forth between
Speaker 1: him and Tatum and who should go second and all
Speaker 1: those things.
Speaker 2: I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I do remember distinctly that Markel Folts was pretty much
Speaker 1: a consensus number one piche.
Speaker 2: And you know it's it's it's.
Speaker 1: Hindsight's easy, right, It's easy to look up and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: look at what Jason Tatum's doing now, and he you know,
Speaker 1: he's killing it and he's you know, top three to
Speaker 1: four player in the league. Blah blah blah, and they
Speaker 1: should have Lakers had a chance to get him and
Speaker 1: they didn't get them. That happens every year, happens all
Speaker 1: the time. And you know, time will tell on certain guys.
Speaker 1: There's guys that been can't miss, guys that didn't didn't
Speaker 1: make it, or guys that you know, this guy's gonna
Speaker 1: be a bust and turns out to be a superstar.
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's.
Speaker 1: Hard, And I guess the problem is if maybe Magic
Speaker 1: plays it differently and says, yeah, no, we're thinking about
Speaker 1: taking Jason and have him come out for a workout,
Speaker 1: instead of saying maybe we're taking a Lonzo. Probably gonna
Speaker 1: take a Lonzo because we need a point guard, which
Speaker 1: probably offended the agent and offended Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2: And you know you're not gonna take me. Why you
Speaker 2: work why you want me to come in for a workout?
Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know, those you know, egos get
Speaker 1: involved a lot of times, not only just with the players,
Speaker 1: but also with the agents as well. It's like, my
Speaker 1: guy is gonna go in the top five, you know,
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna pander anybody. We've we've got the
Speaker 1: cards on our side. So you had a chance to
Speaker 1: see him all summer and you didn't, so why should
Speaker 1: he come in for a workout. I get that part
Speaker 1: of it too. All right, next hour, we'll do uh,
Speaker 1: we'll do more on the Lakers, the Salta Adam Arsenal
Speaker 1: Jonas will also talk some Clippers as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Today.
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Speaker 2: One Weekly Chat with our good friend Jacob and Ronnie. Jacob,
Speaker 2: how are you.
Speaker 3: Today, Good afternoon, How are you guys doing doing well?
Speaker 2: Good, doing good?
Speaker 1: You know, Jacob, we were kidding us around the other
Speaker 1: day about Magic's personal reasons absence.
Speaker 2: Then we find out that he's got a bad foot.
Speaker 2: I mean Lebron. I mean Lebron.
Speaker 1: When I say Magic, Lebron, Magic h Lebron's personal reason absence.
Speaker 1: And then we find out he said he has a
Speaker 1: bad foot. I think that might have been a better
Speaker 1: play at the beginning of the whole thing, like my
Speaker 1: foot a sore.
Speaker 3: I mean, it would have been nice so that you know,
Speaker 3: there's not a thousand stories going left and right. I mean,
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know, in the
Speaker 3: world of social media, everyone's gonna have their own twist
Speaker 3: on it. But you know, as Laker fans, you know,
Speaker 3: we would understand that he needed a break, and we
Speaker 3: were wishing that it was nothing more than just the
Speaker 3: need of a break. And he comes back and you know,
Speaker 3: you could tell what a bit of rest does for.
Speaker 5: You, Right.
Speaker 3: They not caught a hot team in Memphis, and you know,
Speaker 3: you're hoping that they're going to get on a you know,
Speaker 3: little run.
Speaker 1: If it's Lebron and he would come out and say,
Speaker 1: I just I need a break for a game, four days,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, I'm just taking a break. He
Speaker 1: would have got crucified for that, right, he would have
Speaker 1: got crucified. People would have not because there's always that
Speaker 1: balance of people that either love Lebron hate Lebron. There's
Speaker 1: very few people in the middle that will just you know, understand.
Speaker 1: And if he had come out and said I just
Speaker 1: need a break, people would have killed him, don't you think.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely. But I think the other part of it
Speaker 3: is you can never you know, you can never keep
Speaker 3: everybody happy, right, And I think based on the trajectory
Speaker 3: of how he had been playing, you know, they could
Speaker 3: have just basically you know, tried to you know, wind
Speaker 3: down his minutes or just give him a night off.
Speaker 3: I mean, I understand there's all these brand new elite
Speaker 3: rules that are going on, and you know, last year
Speaker 3: when somebody didn't want to play, they would just say, oh,
Speaker 3: he's got a toe problem, or he's got that problem,
Speaker 3: or he's you know, his nail fell off or something
Speaker 3: like that. But I mean, I think it was pretty
Speaker 3: obvious that he was pushing himself, you know, at a
Speaker 3: high level and it wasn't working out and he needed
Speaker 3: to get a rest. And I'm glad he got a
Speaker 3: rest because I mean, again, you don't win, you know,
Speaker 3: you don't win playoff games in November and December, and
Speaker 3: this is a time for the coaching to have to
Speaker 3: be you know, to be smart about it. But what
Speaker 3: I wasn't very sure about it that every time they
Speaker 3: would ask the coach, he would say, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I think that kind of set into it,
Speaker 3: you know that people started to go rampant with the story.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jacob, So, I think the Lakers basically are exactly
Speaker 1: where they're supposed to be. I'm not saying I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it bad. That's exactly where they're supposed to what
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 3: Think there you go, Fred?
Speaker 2: I mean it means don't get too excited, don't get
Speaker 2: too depressed. It's it's right where they should be.
Speaker 3: Listen. I mean we talk about this, right, we talk
Speaker 3: about it every year. It's December. Uh, you know, the
Speaker 3: trade opportunities are opening up. We want to always get
Speaker 3: better every year that goes by, and some of our
Speaker 3: player put more mileage on. You need pressure legs to
Speaker 3: play that defense, you know, on the wing and try
Speaker 3: to stop some of those guards. And uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I won't disagree with you that you know, we are
Speaker 3: where we're going to be. I guess I'd like to
Speaker 3: be positive and think about where are we going to be?
Speaker 3: I mean that's what I'm kind of looking forward to, right,
Speaker 3: Which direction are we going to go? And what can
Speaker 3: we bring on in order to help you know, some
Speaker 3: of those veteran legs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Jacob as this Cup comes down to Okay,
Speaker 1: see in Milwaukee and obviously Lakers won it last year
Speaker 1: and and only people that really care about it are
Speaker 1: the players that are involved, teams that are involved in it,
Speaker 1: really because the players, you know, I don't care how
Speaker 1: much money you're making when you get, you know, a
Speaker 1: million dollars for winning something real quick. That's a that's
Speaker 1: a nice chunk of change in your cut in your pocket.
Speaker 1: But what do you make Because a lot has been
Speaker 1: said of the of the NBA and it's lack of ratings,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's decline and viewership and all those things.
Speaker 1: What do you make of that? And what can the
Speaker 1: NBA do? And then there's complaints now about the All
Speaker 1: Star Game and entertained in the format and what the
Speaker 1: format may be. What can the NBA do to kind
Speaker 1: of boost itself and bring back the fans for watching
Speaker 1: at least during the regular season.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a great question. I mean, obviously, you
Speaker 3: know they get paid the big bucks to come up
Speaker 3: with the ideas. But I mean, you know, I just
Speaker 3: read that viewership's down twenty eight to thirty three percent. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you can tell even with the NBA Cup. You
Speaker 3: can understand that with this Cup unless you got some
Speaker 3: big markets going at it, I don't know how many
Speaker 3: people really care about, you know, Oklahoma City winning this
Speaker 3: or not. Of course, if you're making half a million
Speaker 3: dollars or more, of course, you know people are going
Speaker 3: to be excited about it. I just feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: in a in a world where there's so many more options,
Speaker 3: and I mean more like even locally here in the
Speaker 3: United States, for people to be watching so many other sports,
Speaker 3: it's difficult to continue to keep people engaged. And I
Speaker 3: thought it was a good idea to bring this Cup in,
Speaker 3: but then now you end up seeing you know, Oklahoma
Speaker 3: City going to be playing against Milwaukee, and you would think, okay,
Speaker 3: people are going to be following Milwaukee, but Milwaukee's had
Speaker 3: their ups and downs as well. I don't know how
Speaker 3: much following they got, so I don't know how much
Speaker 3: rating they're going to get. I think this NBA Championship,
Speaker 3: like this NBA Cup Championship, is going to come and go,
Speaker 3: and I don't think they're going to get much rating
Speaker 3: for it. I haven't watched any of them. I don't
Speaker 3: think I'm going to be super excited to watch it.
Speaker 3: My kids keep asking me, who do I think is
Speaker 3: going to win? And I keep saying, I think it's
Speaker 3: going to be okay. See, but you know, those kids
Speaker 3: are watching it because Fantasy, you know, is now getting people,
Speaker 3: you know, to watch everything, not because that's their favorite team.
Speaker 3: It's just because they have them as part of their
Speaker 3: fantasy team, so they're going to keep watching, which is incredible.
Speaker 3: It's another conversation on its own.
Speaker 1: All right, Jacob, this will be our final time talking
Speaker 1: to you this year. Any advice for folks during this
Speaker 1: holiday season if anything happens to.
Speaker 3: Them, Yes, please number one. You know, holidays are coming.
Speaker 3: Happy holiday to all of our amazing listeners. I fersontally
Speaker 3: want to say thanks to the two of you guys
Speaker 3: for everything you've done and your team over there. But
Speaker 3: I will tell you in December, we normally see a
Speaker 3: rise in motorcycle accidents, and we haven't talked about motorcycle
Speaker 3: accidents for a while. The injuries are massive. There are
Speaker 3: always a lot more serious than people who get injured
Speaker 3: in car accidents. And I just want to you know,
Speaker 3: I just want to encourage people to put on your helmets,
Speaker 3: you know, be a little bit more careful. People are
Speaker 3: driving around trying to get you know, holiday shopping done,
Speaker 3: trying to get everything that they need done. People are
Speaker 3: not paying as much attention and just be very careful.
Speaker 3: And when it comes to motorcycle accidents, you really need
Speaker 3: to make sure that if you are in one of
Speaker 3: those accidents that you do, you know, talk to a lawyer,
Speaker 3: make sure that you know your rights, because with motorcycle accidents,
Speaker 3: your rights disappear real quick because the evidence disappears real quick.
Speaker 3: And we handle a lot of those, who have handled
Speaker 3: thousands of them during my career. And I do hope
Speaker 3: that you know people are safe, but if something occurs,
Speaker 3: I want them to know we're there for them throughout
Speaker 3: the holidays. We don't stop, we don't close, We're always
Speaker 3: there for them.
Speaker 2: Got right, Jacob, Thank you, Thank you for a terrific year. Seriously,
Speaker 2: thank you guys. We love you. Have a safe holiday
Speaker 2: and we'll talk next year.
Speaker 3: I love you, guys, and stay healthy, happy holidays to
Speaker 3: your beautiful families, and thank you for all you do.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if you want to win in one specific division,
Speaker 1: we will tell you where the money is being spent.
Speaker 1: And when we come back, there's some tweaks to the
Speaker 1: NBA All Star Game, so who can wait for that?
Speaker 1: You'll have to