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Speaker 1: What is up? Fela Siko's I'm Dana Valley coming at

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I N D I s c h TYE. How the

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heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Doing great? I'm so glad to be back. I tell

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you every time my favorite podcast I do every single year.

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How many years? I mean, I don't want to put

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you on the spot. It feels like this is I mean,

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we've done this for a while.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I think this is like year seven of

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look Aheads. It might be year six for you, feels right.

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I said year five when I was talking to Justin

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Rowan the other day, and then I realized I was like,

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oh no, this is like his seventh year doing it

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after we got off, which is which is a little

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insane when you actually think about.

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Speaker 2: It, Rogers, I've been doing I've been doing this stuff

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out and off since like twenty fifteen, so it's like

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year ten over all. That to me is like absolutely insane.

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Speaker 1: I started in twenty eleven. Feel ancient. Nice, Yes, Like

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coming fresh out of when everyone was planning around Lebron's

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free agency is like kind of when I like I

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entered right after that. We're obviously here to talk about

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nothing except be honest, attend to Koupo trade packages.

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Speaker 2: Because that's thirty five of them, yep.

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Speaker 1: Thirty five packages, one for each team, and then doubling

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up on some No, we're here talking about the box

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you ended up having. If you had told me they

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didn't trade Giannis this offseason, I would have won believed you.

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But if you would have also have told me that

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they ended up having one of the most fascinating off seasons,

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I wouldn't have believed you. They went ahead and they

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did that. So we have to start there is before

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digging into just like fits individual moves, what did you

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just make of everything that happened this summer?

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Speaker 2: It was, it was insane. I certainly didn't see it coming.

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And actually the funniest thing was somebody, somebody who follows

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me asked me like a month before free agency, like, oh,

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couldn't they wave and stretch Dame and f cap space?

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And I was like, no, that's that's ludicrous, Like they

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they certainly wouldn't do that, I think, you know whatever,

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And then of course they did, and they end up

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signing Miles Turner. So I had to go apologize and

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give that person a shout out because like, what a call?

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What a call? Right there? Uh? And I we trod

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ourselves on like really annoying the Bucks and their options

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and being creative and like they could do sign and trades,

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they could do, you know, be over the cap and

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then have the full MLLE. That was our big excitement

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of this summer, was like, oh my god, full MLLE.

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But they'll probably have to split it and use a

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lot on Gary Trent and then a lot, but whatever,

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maybe they can add like one more nice role player

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and then they go ahead and wave and stretch Damian Lillard,

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which I think the skepticism of that move long term

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is obviously fair and thinking it wasn't worth it to

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add Miles Turner. I understand where folks are coming from

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with that. I do, and I've always been a team

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never stretch guys. So maybe I'm just a bootlicker here.

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I just think it was gonna be dead money on

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their books this year no matter what, because he wasn't

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going to play. Damian Lillard and Jannis just turned thirty

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in December about half a year ago, and they I

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just don't think they were ever interested in this concept

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of a gap year of like, oh well, trade Dame

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if he gets healthy toward the end of the year

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and you know, accumulate our picks and reset the books

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a little bit. And I just don't think. I don't

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think it's even necessarily about like, oh, Yiannis wouldn't tolerate that.

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I think John Horace has been pretty fanatical trying to

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win no matter the cost of assets, of salary cap whatever,

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every single year since the Honest became that level of player.

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And he said as much at the Miles Turner press conference.

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It was pretty funny, actually, he was asked like, oh,

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the East is open, so is that why you did

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this dame thing, and he's like, no, we just do

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this stuff like this is just what we do, Like

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we just really want to win right now with the honest,

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and they're clearly going to pay for it in the

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latter years of it. But I admire that fanaticism. I think,

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you know what, you have a guy like this, You're

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probably not gonna have another guy like this for fifty

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eight years ish, that's what it took the last time

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till now you might as well. So we can talk

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about the individual moves and everything. But I like that

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they just continue to be like, you know what, let's

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just in for a penny, in for a pound. We

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want to win with the honest on our basketball team.

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I think it's a good a good general approach, even

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if you disagree with how they go about it.

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Speaker 1: So I definitely think the approach is debatable. But I've

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seen like too many just trying to correlate what Phoenix

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did versus what Milwaukee did. And what Milwaukee did wasn't

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just to cut its payroll so that it could lessen

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its tax bill. It was to get someone who's actually

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a perfect fit alongside their best player. And you don't

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get to frame it as Phoenix will like they needed

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to do this so Devin Booker would stay. Devin Booker

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signed the contract, while the Suns actively got worse when

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you think about it, because Bradley Buhle is I guess

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you could say addition by subtraction. They have Jalen Green,

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Dillan Brooks, now whatever you traded Kevin Durant, So in theory,

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you're worse, and he signed the extension. Anyway. What I

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also think that you mentioned that's really important. I think

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sometimes people miss is the concept of a gap year

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in Milwaukee never really made any sense. They don't own

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their own first round picks. I like some of their

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young guys, but like, is aj Green gonna make an

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All Star Game in two years because he went through

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a gap year during the twenty five twenty six season.

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Probably not. And you bring it back to Giannis the

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dead money in this situation, if you don't have Giannis,

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it doesn't fucking matter. If we might, I think reasonable

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minds will disagree with how good are the Bucks after this?

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It seems to me that they very still need another

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move or two if they want, even as wide open

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as the East is. But what you did, I would argue,

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and this was my reading. You could tell me if

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I'm wrong. At the bare minimum was you bought yourself

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this season with Yiannis attent to Kumpo, so you can

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turn around next summer. You'll have three first round picks

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to trade. Maybe someone shakes loose and becomes available, and

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if it doesn't work out, you still got another year

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with one of the greatest players in NBA history, who,

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as you just said, is not going to come around

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for another three, four or five generations, however long it takes.

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like they should have done something. No, this wasn't. I

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totally get it. But like, if you think a Yani's

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trade is inevitable, that actually makes this dead money matter

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less because where were the bucks going without Gianna's. Okay,

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we just set twenty two point five million dollars on

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cap space on fire per year. It's gonna take you

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three years at least to recover from losing you honest,

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if you don't own your own pick. So I understand

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what they did. My level of support has waxed and waned,

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but as we've gotten into we haven't done our offseason

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grades around on this podcast yet, and I've started to

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think more about it, I land closer to where you

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are where it's just I respect it. They didn't necessarily

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have all these other options on the table, and you

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have Giannis now, as you mentioned, he turned thirty, so

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unless Miles Turners do for a downturn, and I think

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some people are just assigning too much value to the

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way he played in the finals and the team that

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he was going to do. Kluma Saint Thunder are one team.

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There's no other team like them in the NBA. So

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I think I support what they did. And I've just

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been the hashtag. You mentioned this before, we helped on

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the hashtag discourse around it. I just I think it

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misses too many of the marks. It's not just a

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misunderstanding here and there. It feels like a fundamental misinterpretation

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of where the Bucks actually were at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think to your point of and I

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don't understand why the concept is like, oh, and you know,

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they added Miles Turner and that's all they're ever gonna

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do in this iteration of the team. Like, I think

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they're very aggressive in trade talks. I think they've been

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linked to like everyone from Kaminga to like other players

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on the market. I don't think they're gonna go get

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Kaminga like they it's.

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Speaker 1: A terrible peace, don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, terrible fit frankly, but I think they just always

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pop up everywhere. They have two picks currently, or they

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have a pick and a swap. Excuse me, they could

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trade right now thirty one and thirty two, and as

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we saw like with Denver doing that, like one future

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Denver pick turned Michael Porter Junior into Cam Johnson, which

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you know, in the in the near term. I think

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Milwaukee has that Kusma contract and a first in a

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swap to trade as well. I don't think. I don't.

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they're always exploring, Like I don't. I don't think they're done.

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trying to compete with the Honest, even if you're not.

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try and keep him, which maybe it is. I also

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just think they really want to be as good as

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they can, and the Honest's early thirties, because as well

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as he's aged so far, you just never know. And

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like they did the gap year, and I don't think

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he ended up being particularly healthy that year anyway, But like, Okay, great,

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you signed Paul George. That doesn't age well, and now

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we don't know if MB's gonna have another healthy season.

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that and go, yeah, we don't want to miss them.

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without knowing it by saying like, oh, we're going to

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gear up for the next three I just don't think

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that's how they want to approach it. Whereas like Tatum

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and Halliburton are so young and the injuries are so

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severe to them, those teams I think are fine doing that,

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and it makes a lot of sense. I don't think

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it did for Milwaukee, but they kind of squeeze an

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extra player acquisition out of this, because you could say, oh,

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why not like dump Dame's contract via trade, and then

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you know you don't have all this dead money and

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it's like, well, great, that's obviously going to cost a lot.

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or turn them into like a mediocre player, I mean

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you send him back for like Jeremy Grant, Like okay,

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so now you have no picks and you have Jeremy

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Grant versus this way. You take the dead money hit

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for five years, which is going to be difficult for them,

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but you get Miles Turner and you still have your

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picks and you can still go then do something else.

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possible asset acquisition out of this in terms of we

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can make our trade later if we want to or

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if we have the availability to, and we add Turner

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in the short term for you know, basically just exchanging

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dead money for Miles Turner. Not a big contract, but

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I don't think they have an issue with that one.

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Speaker 1: So Miles Turner, aside from the age difference between him

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and Rolo, let's let's start with offense. Where do you

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see him making the biggest difference? Upgrade change however you

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Speaker 2: It, Yeah, I think just I think both ends it's

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gonna be the mobility right like as great as Brook

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Lopez as a Buck has been, certainly no one would

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watch him play from Milwaukee and just go like, oh, yeah,

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that guy is. You know, you can't if you're too slow,

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He's gonna punish you. He he was the too slow guy,

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versus his early Bucks days, but that half step here

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or there has really added up. And I think even

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even when he's been able to be in drop and

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around the rim on defense, Lopez like not quite the

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same impact this last year as years passed, not quite

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getting over quick enough, whereas Turner I think is just

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so fast. So I think offensively, I'm excited to see,

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you know, of course the pick and pop is there.

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game than Lopez, so I think that makes some exciting combos.

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I think we'll see more of Janni's ball handling and

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pick and roll, which was secretly always very devastating when

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Lopez would roll for him. So I think Turner, there's

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a bunch of options there, and the more comfortable mid

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range should present some opportunities for that as well. But

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also just like, you know, being able to like cut

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and dunk or get to the rim a little bit

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more than Lopez was in the later years. I think

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kind of fits with their whole ethos of like we

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still want the stretch big, like that's still very important

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to go with Yannis, of course, but the whole team

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is like we don't want the old guys, we don't

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want the non athletes. We're gonna have athletes and shooting

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around Giannis. Turner checks both boxes while bringing you a

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lot of what Brooke did and to your point from earlier,

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like you said, kind of a perfect front court fit

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Speaker 1: You have any concerns about So he was very dependent

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on the playmaking in Indiana around him, and you zero

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it to just Tyre's Haliburt, and over the last three

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years playoffs in regular season his three point percentage dipped

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by basically eight points without Haliburt on the court. I

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know Jannis has improved as a passer, and we'll get

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into that, but do you have any level of concern about, well,

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what does this look like in Milwauwaukee when you're going

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from Tyre's Haliburton as your best pass or even let's

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say Pascal Siakam or one of their TJ McConnell's your

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second best passer versus Milwaukee where it's Yannis and then

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like now we're getting into like a bunch of dudes

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after that, not as.

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Speaker 2: Much, because I think he's gonna be Yannis a lot

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in terms of their minutes, if I had to guess,

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Yannis a affects floor gravity in a way that nobody

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on Indiana can. And I just think we've seen it's

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been pretty rare that a shooter comes to Milwaukee and

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dips in how well they hit their threes. It was

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kind of a running joke that players would in the

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playoffs earlier in the Honest tenure. But these days, most

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of the time when they bring someone in, especially in

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the regular season, they're able to feast on those looks

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because you just even without the second star, so to speak,

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you just can't only send one player at the Honest,

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and usually that help is going to come from the big,

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especially if it's a stretch big, or maybe you know

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someone else on the floor who's not as capable of

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a shooter, although again they don't They're not going to

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roll out many of those this season. So I think

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Giannis is good at setting up players as great at

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setting up players as a playmaker, and there's just the

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gravity opening continue to knock them down. Will see, of course,

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but I'm a pretty big believer that Yannis is fit

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next to a player like that should compensate for losing

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the like excellent playmaking of Halibert.

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Speaker 1: You kind of mentioned already that Turner would be suited

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to play either different styles defensively or more aggressive styles defensively.

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Do you believe that Doc Rivers is going to like

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kind of test the limits of that additional layer of

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versatility from him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think Doc has been a

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pretty funky defensive coach as the Bucks since he took

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over Milwaukee. I think most people's issues with him are

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more lineup based than like schematically what they're running on offense.

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We wanted more Dame and Giannis pick and roll, but

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that dated back before Doc as well. I don't know, really,

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I think there was a lot going on in that

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particular subject matter. But I think they've they've used more

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zone than we ever saw under Bud and I think

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Turner could play. Like they can do a pretty devastating

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around the basket zone with Turner and Yannis manning at

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those areas, although they often do it with the all

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their lineups too. But I think, uh, they'll be able

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to switch more as well. Which the last season, like

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they were zero and four against the Knicks or oh

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and three or four and oh and four against the Calves,

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And I think especially against the Knicks, they just had

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nothing for Towns outside of Giannis, like they Brooke just

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couldn't do it. And you know, if brook is on

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the court, you kind of need to regard Towns like

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they I think they tried maybe Bridges for a little bit.

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It didn't go very well, trying to just kind of

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leave him open. But Towns was too quick for Lopez

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and too strong for Portous when they would try him

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as well. And I just think Turner being able to

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move so like you can switch if there's a switch

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big there, I think their default will still be dropped

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and that's fine. Even if he's a little less effective

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than Lopez, He'll be able to recover out more. I

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think they will do probably more switching, probably more zone, uh,

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and even just like hedging and stuff like that, where

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it just became more and more difficult for Lopez to

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do anything but the traditional drop.

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Speaker 1: On the front. What are your impressions of them going

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like by the end of last year, like in a

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full on point Honis experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it a lot. I think I'm glad

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that they balance it with the unproven point guards with him,

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so it's not totally just like he brings the ball

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up every time and initiates every offensive set. I think

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there's a lot of that, of course, but they do

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have almost the release valves of whether it's going to

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be Kevin Porter, Junior, Ryan Rollins, or Cole Anthony out

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there with him. I think they'll always be at least

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one of those players and pretty much every lineup if

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I had to guess who can do a little bit

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of slashing, a little bit of playmaking or even KP

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Jay's case ended up he had a really nice lob

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chemistry with the Honest, and that was a play they

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ran a lot down the stretch. I think he probably

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gets to start we probably see some more of that

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as well. But I'm a fan of the point Honest,

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and I think crucially he is too. He talked about

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after the Pacers series seeing that as kind of his

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next evolution of a player, kind of being more of

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the all handler or at least like the heliocentric kind

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of option, And I think it makes a lot of sense.

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I think they're kind of forced into it, so it

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has to make sense. But also Giannis was an incredibly

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effective player in that role, and I think he's learned

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ways to do it that aren't quite as taxing as

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early career. Honest. So if you're thinking about like twenty twenty,

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like he's just gonna run straight downhill every time, that

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would not be sustainable. I think he's become a much

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better post playmaker and feeling out the defense and then

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making the read versus you know, running full speed at

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the rim and then passing it the last second. I

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don't think that would be sustainable. But I think he

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has developed, and the mid range development has helped here

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more of an in between game where he can really

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feel out the floor and then just it becomes easier

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for him to see who's the cutter, who's the open shooter,

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or should I take this myself.

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Speaker 1: Looking at it through the lens of like the entire

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season perspective, Do you think that they have surrounded him

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now with then enough supplementary shooters who can also kind

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of play with pace, because that is the pathway to

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like also optimizing point you honest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think they have a lot

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of spacing. The roster is set up that there's always

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going to be the stretch big out there with him,

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whether it's Turner or Bobby Portis, and they're always going

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to have the one probably playmaker, the guards we talked about,

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and then the mix of AJ Green, Gary Trent Junior,

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a mere coffee who's on a camp deal but I

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would guess is going to make the team. And Torrian Prince,

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who was like kind of the forgotten led the NBA

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in three point shooting for like three quarters of the

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season and kind of fell off down the stretch, had

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a bad playoffs, but still a very effective kind of

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catch and shoot player on a ve minimum. So those

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four guys, I think the big question mark, of course,

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is Kyle Kuzma. How much does he play, how well

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does he shoot the ball? I don't know if we're

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going to see Gary Harris very much. He's got been

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a guy who's been streaky and I think kind of

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falling off entirely in the last two years in Orlando.

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But maybe he can contribute there as well. But I

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think I think playmaking is a little bit of an issue.

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I think the actual three is a little bit of

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an issue. But in terms of like shooting, I think

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they've done a very good job of putting enough of

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that to space the floor around gian Us.

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Speaker 1: There will be like a if he plays like a

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twenty something game stretch where it feels like a Gary

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Harrison renaissance. He's good for one of those, like I

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think every other year, so he might be due for

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one after the season he had last year.

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Speaker 2: If we could tap into whatever Bucks Wesley Matthews tapped

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into for his tenure, I mean, that was one of

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the great random role player but was so indispensable two

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different tenures on the Bucks. So if Harris has any

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of that, by all means, please like uncork it and

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be a bench option. But they just have so many

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like twos who kindamascueradus threes that I'm not sure if

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the role is even gonna be there for him. But

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Doc does love his vets, so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they have enough. When you're kind of

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moving beyond Giannis and creation there, who is there? I

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don't know what you wanted. Their second best ball handler,

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their second best creator, their second most important offensive player,

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and if it's Turner, then their third most important offensive player.

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That's the when I look at their rotation, their depth chart,

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this is where I start to run into it. Not

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that I can't see the vision, but it's okay. I

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don't really know who to identify here as that player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like they took dual dart throws on

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Kevin Porter Junior and Ryan Rollins and they're just like,

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we think, at least one of these guys will be

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a plus point guard kind of player, and let's see

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which one. I would assume that Porter Junior gets the start.

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He was very effective on the stretch. He shot the

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three ball and the mid ranger very well. As a buck,

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he dunked a lot, which Giannis was reacting in these

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games like wait, I'm allowed to have a point guard.

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He drives to the basket and dunks like he wasn't

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really used to seeing that. And I do think again

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that combat with Giannis really did work when they would

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have actions together. Rollins more of a less flashy player. Obviously, again,

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like KPJ, off court reasons to certainly not be a

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fan of him, which I emphasize and agree with a

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player who had a fifty point game against the Bucks

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in the past, who's average nineteen per game five and five, like,

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there is some level of production there that he tapped

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kind of back into as a Buck. I think he

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was like fifteen four and four in the regular season

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for Milwaukee and had an up and down playoffs, but

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was not totally ineffective, so there's more of a production

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track record. Rollins is like the mystery box kind of

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the underlying metrics are insane. How effective he was defensively.

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He shot the three ball really well. He played that

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year almost entirely with a separated shoulder that he got

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surgery to fix this offseason, but that was most of

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his season and still kind of performed and shot the

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ball well. His first real game in the rotation he

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had five steals against the Raptors and then hurt the

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shoulder in that game and then missed some time and

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then basically played through it. So I don't want to

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get too optimistic about Ryan Rollins. But there's someone there's

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something there for sure, at least like a low key,

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off ball kind of two combo guard player, but maybe more.

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And then Cole Anthony to me is just kind of steady,

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probably more of a bench player. I don't think he

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would start, but I think their idea is, let's see

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if we can continue getting this level of play out

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of Porter Junior, Let's see what Rollins is. Hopefully one

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of them works, and if not, then probably shift some

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more shots to Trent, who's been a nearly twenty point

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game scorer in the past, Like not really a shot creator,

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but can help you get some points on the board

476
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,559
at least, And then that's maybe where if all that

477
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:31,640
stuff isn't adding up to enough, I'd assume they'd go shopping.

478
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,839
But I'm fairly confident they'll get enough point guard play.

479
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,880
Those guys stepped up admirably at the end of the

480
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,680
year with Dame out and kind of combined to basically

481
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,079
mirror Dame's production. Of course, that's less valuable across two

482
00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:46,680
spots and it is one, but they ended up getting

483
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,759
there in kind of tandem.

484
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 1: You've mentioned Gary Trent Junior, I feel like him coming back.

485
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,799
You meant you mentioned the top of the podcast over

486
00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:55,960
and who's part of our mid level on Gary Trent Junior.

487
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,000
Them getting him back how they did is just low key.

488
00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,200
I tend to over romanticize that archetype of player, and

489
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,680
we've kind of seen now, oh, these guys play well,

490
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,839
but there's never that big contract waiting for them. But

491
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,400
to just go into the offseason, you only have his

492
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,279
non bird rights to come out with that contract and

493
00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:13,319
we'll see what happens next summer. Like what was the

494
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,319
wink wing that was going on here? Yeah, stroke of

495
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,880
brilliance in the moment though by Milwaukee that's another off

496
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,759
season thing they did. How that deserves a shout out?

497
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,559
How what do you view as like whether it's a

498
00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:27,079
full lineup or maybe like two or three guys that

499
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,839
you you want to make sure on the court during

500
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,720
those non ya Honest minutes to keep the offense humming.

501
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:35,799
I think Rollins and or like KPJ seemed like easy ones,

502
00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:38,319
like I'm sure we'll see I would assume just my

503
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,799
guess would be like we'll see plenty of KPJ, like

504
00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:43,519
Stacker from Be Honest, because he's probably their best combo

505
00:23:43,599 --> 00:23:48,440
of self creator and also passer aside from you, I think, yeah,

506
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,839
I don't know, I have no answers.

507
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: I think Cole Anthony's going to be important for that

508
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,759
because I think KPJ there's at least a shooting upside

509
00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:59,440
that we really haven't seen from Anthony. And you know, granted,

510
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,079
he is played in like the Thunderdome of bad spacing,

511
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,200
so maybe being on the Bucks could maybe help him

512
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,200
a little bit, Like I think just a lot of

513
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,160
shooters have struggled there, including.

514
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,799
Speaker 1: He's gonna get lost in all that space. I hope

515
00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:12,279
he doesn't.

516
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: He's not gonna know what to do with it. And

517
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,200
I forgot his dad, Greg Anthony played for the Bucks.

518
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,400
He's got his old Bucks number, so that's a cool

519
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,799
like subplot as well. But this is random. I think

520
00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:24,359
you'll appreciate this. I'm guessing you didn't, because there's no

521
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,160
reason for you too. Did you see the video of

522
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,759
Cole Anthony signing with the Bucks, no actually signing the deal.

523
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,240
So they they gave him a pen, a Bucks pen

524
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:35,400
that had his name like engraved on it or something,

525
00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:38,880
and he reacted like he had never seen anything like

526
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,680
this before. And I just wonder, like what goes on

527
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,240
in Orlando because he signed like what like a fifty

528
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:45,559
million dollar four year deal and they didn't They just

529
00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:47,720
gave him like a BIC. I don't know, but I

530
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:49,880
don't know. If we know, maybe he needs to spice

531
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,440
up the pen games what I learned.

532
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the Devout family's in charge of that, so yeah,

533
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,920
that does not surprise me.

534
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,039
Speaker 2: That was my takeaway too. But I think Anthony just

535
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:02,640
to come in and like I've comped him to, like

536
00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:05,799
are the Bucks trying to find their own TJ McConnell

537
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,720
kind of player, like just come in, score for himself,

538
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,359
kind of just keep things moving. I don't think he's

539
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,640
as good as as TJ. I don't think anyone's as

540
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,160
good as you know, NBA playoffs TJ, who became like

541
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,000
one of the best players in the league for a

542
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,400
month plus there. But I think he'll be important. And

543
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,200
then Portis, of course is their standard, Like we need

544
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,799
someone to get shots up, Bobby Port is comfortable doing it.

545
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,680
He actually played a lot more with the Honest and

546
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:29,920
was more of an off ball player, but on this team,

547
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,880
pretty confident he'll continue to get his diet of like

548
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,400
mid range looks, especially when he's not playing with the

549
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,000
honest It'll be interesting to see if Simms is in

550
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:42,279
the rotation. Not for offense by any means, but they

551
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,480
love when he gave them defensively down the stretch, and

552
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:47,519
like they would just have these runs where he would

553
00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:50,200
come out and they would not score at all, but

554
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,480
they wouldn't give up the lead in the yet nam

555
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,920
and the honest minutes because the other team wouldn't score either.

556
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:58,000
So maybe their approach will just be like, send Sims

557
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,400
out there and see if we can just play like

558
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,480
a two to zero game for five minutes. But I

559
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:06,599
think Kevin Porter, Junior Cole Anthony, Bobby Portis will be

560
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:09,640
big players to just like kind of keep offense moving

561
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,839
to some extent in the non be honest minutes.

562
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,519
Speaker 1: There was a lot made about Giannie's quote unquote defensive

563
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:21,400
slippage last year. I think part of that was something

564
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,119
took hold earlier in the season and people never moved

565
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,319
off it. Just my view of it. I also think

566
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,640
there probably was some defensive slippage there. When you're looking

567
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,240
at some of like the ball containment stuff, maybe where

568
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,799
do you land on that whole thing? Where do you

569
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,440
land on Gianni's defensive value right now. And I think

570
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,599
we should also just couch this by saying, I think

571
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,279
people get too caught up still after all these years

572
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,720
of Giannis is not supposed to be defending the other

573
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:46,160
team's best player. That has never been peak. Gianni's on

574
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,119
the defensive end, like that's never been his like primary job,

575
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,119
And it just amazes me how much it still gets

576
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,319
talked about as like a void.

577
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think there's a little

578
00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,960
bit of slippage in the sense of I think he's

579
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:03,960
begun doing the Lebron thing to a certain extent of

580
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:09,440
just like I no, thankfully, not that, thankfully, none of that,

581
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,599
not a big Actually he's back on he does TikTok

582
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,519
now and they call him he just like does every

583
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,559
filter and he's clearly not native to this world of

584
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,920
like being digital. But it's very funny stuff.

585
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:24,039
Speaker 1: Well he's like is he trying to just like be

586
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,880
part of the new generator? He did that. I don't

587
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,200
even know who the content person was, but I saw

588
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,279
the boat. Yeah, okay, I saw the How does that

589
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:33,359
collab even happen? Why is it on a boat?

590
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: Like I just know, Well, the funny thing about that

591
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:38,440
was he So he was on a street he did

592
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,440
a live TikTok or whatever with his wife like us

593
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,279
two weeks before that, and he goes, I'm going to

594
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:46,039
be a streamer because I think it was because he

595
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:49,000
saw how much money the streamers were making and Giannis

596
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:51,839
loves money, and she's like, you shouldn't be a stream

597
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,359
He's like, I'm going to be a streamer, and he

598
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,839
goes with this kay snawders like the number one streamer

599
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,960
right now through like the streets of Greece, and so

600
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:01,160
many people came up in surrounded them, and the honest

601
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,640
were just like horrified, like what is this? Like this

602
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,559
doesn't happen to me and Greece like and the guy's

603
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,400
telling them all these stories about oh yeah, people run

604
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,000
up to me, someone pulled out my hair and be honest,

605
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,200
is just like Giannis left early. I don't think Giannics

606
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,680
is gonna be a stream runing. I think that I didad.

607
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: He's had some good like I mean, we all know

608
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,079
the championship stuff like Bob video at that, but also

609
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,839
him and his wife, was there a bug or something

610
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,599
in their room? Yeah, posted that one too.

611
00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: That was hysterical a funny guy man. But the defensive side,

612
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,079
I think the Lebron but by what I meant by

613
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,519
the Lebron thing was coasting more, especially regular season. On

614
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,480
the defensive end. I think obviously the season ends with

615
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,240
the low light of Halliburton getting by him in the playoffs.

616
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,319
I just think that one was maybe a little more exhaustion,

617
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,400
but still not the best player in the world. I

618
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,680
do wonder if maybe some more of that will be

619
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,519
tapped into this year because these last two years they've

620
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:56,200
kind of had to buy necessity become an offense first

621
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,160
team because you know you're building around Damian Lillard. I

622
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,799
don't think that's really honest his comfort zone. I don't

623
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:04,640
think he likes winning like one thirty to one twenty games.

624
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,440
I think prefer winning defensively if possible, like margin aside.

625
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,839
I just think the way he came up with the

626
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,000
Bucks and when they won, that's really what they were.

627
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:17,279
So I do wonder, like, will we see more from

628
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:19,319
him on the defensive end. It's gonna be hard. Obviously

629
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,599
he's gonna have to carry more offensive load than ever,

630
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,359
but with Turner with more options, like maybe they can

631
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,240
lean more into defense. We'll see though I just think

632
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,160
it may look even like there's more slippage this year

633
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,039
because of his offensive load. But I would imagine we'll

634
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:36,400
see better going forward than we did in that they'll

635
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,319
clip against tyres in the playoffs.

636
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,519
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a chance that I'm not saying

637
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,720
he'll be friskier, but that if it gets easier, just

638
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:44,559
because if you have a full season of kind of

639
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,880
the guards that are in front of you now, it

640
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,079
should make everything easier on him. And I would like

641
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,279
even turn Or, even though Turner wasn't there last year.

642
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're like this new philosophy of like

643
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,359
the weak link defense in the NBA. I do think

644
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,720
that could lead to Bucks team defense that's a little better,

645
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:04,240
and then maybe that helps Giannis's job too, because obviously

646
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,200
Dame would fight and he had some nice defensive moments.

647
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,400
I think he had like more blocks than threes in

648
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,799
the playoffs last year, which is obviously sad with the injury,

649
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,079
but just a weird kind of fighting through injuries and

650
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,839
stuff for him. But they it's just clearly like every

651
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:20,920
team was going to target him, and I don't think

652
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,119
they really have many players who are as targetable on

653
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,519
that end on this year's team.

654
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,079
Speaker 1: Any other Yiannis related things you'd like to get off

655
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:30,279
your chest before we move on.

656
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:33,799
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see how the mid range does

657
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:36,039
again this year, because, like quietly, it was just like

658
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:39,039
a top ten high volume mid range shooter last season

659
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,880
and really changed the way that teams defend him. And

660
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,680
I think that evolution plus the team. You know, there's

661
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,839
not the second star who's there, but I think it's

662
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,799
a team that probably fits better around Giannis in totality

663
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:54,519
in terms of like just the player's skill sets and everything.

664
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:58,240
I think he's probably gonna have a pretty good shot

665
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,279
to win MVP. I know some Bucks fans like that's

666
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,680
the point of this season. I don't really ascribe to that,

667
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:03,880
Like I think they should just try to be the

668
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,279
best team they can be. But I think he will

669
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:09,079
be set up to again score thirty, again, shoot sixty

670
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:12,119
percent from the field, and really be like the driving

671
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,119
force of the Bucks the way that Nikola Jokic has

672
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,200
for the Nuggets for the last several years.

673
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,839
Speaker 1: I will say him shooting some of his mid range

674
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,160
slashes from this past year, including I think he was

675
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,160
at like forty four percent on long tunes. Yeah, I

676
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,279
just want the free throw percentage in the seventies.

677
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:30,759
Speaker 2: That would be great. The sixties, high sixties would be great.

678
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,240
Seventies would be like suddenly he's scoring thirty six points

679
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,119
a game, I think, or it'd probably be a pretty

680
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,359
drastic jump just from that alone.

681
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,599
Speaker 1: So the Bucks have a handful of just returning wild

682
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:44,200
cards or projects, whatever bucket you want to classify them

683
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,039
under some whonever. You just go through them and get

684
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,440
your thoughts on whatever it is, what you'll be watching,

685
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,440
what you think their role might be next season with

686
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:51,480
this team.

687
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:52,759
Speaker 2: I love it. Let's do it.

688
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: Let's begin with aj Green and well, let's start here quickly.

689
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:57,519
Do you think there's because this is the part of

690
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,640
the podcast that could be most dated even before it's released.

691
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,079
Do you think he gets an extension?

692
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: I think he does. I am side eyeing the hold

693
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:12,480
up here because I wonder are is I remember I

694
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:15,440
mentioned they could be looking at trade possibilities and stuff like.

695
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,319
That's the only reason I could see it not getting done.

696
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:21,319
John Horse said, like the day he became eligible, it

697
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,519
was right during the Turner stuff. But like touch base

698
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:26,200
with his agent and everything, and talks are going good.

699
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:29,559
I can't imagine they're that far apart salvy wise, although

700
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:31,799
it was a summer where very few Bucks players ended

701
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,720
up getting paid, so I don't know if that factors

702
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,839
in or out, but I think it gets done unless

703
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:40,359
there's just like something larger than that looming. But I

704
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,960
can't imagine there's not interest on both sides the Bucks.

705
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,759
Obviously he's played so well, and I mean aj Green,

706
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,559
I think lock in a spot where maybe you're starting

707
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:51,799
this year and you're one of the team's most important players.

708
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,160
And again, a shooter on a honest team tends to

709
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,599
be a pretty good place to be for these kind

710
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,079
of players.

711
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,599
Speaker 1: So if he doesn't get an ext time, you think

712
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,839
that might mean there would be something afoot mid the

713
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:04,599
season in terms of a trade.

714
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: Uh, that's that's the only thing I would be looking

715
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,119
at because he's going to be an unrestricted free agent.

716
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,640
So it's not like the Bucks can just say, like,

717
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,920
we'll figure it out, like you don't want to you

718
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,799
don't want to let him potentially walk. I mean, they've

719
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:18,079
been able to retain players like Gary Trent, Ryan Rollins

720
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:21,799
was unrestricted after they pulled his QO, like Bobby Portois. Again,

721
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,240
they kind of had their own deal done, so it's

722
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:28,400
not like they've they've historically been unable to keep unrestricted

723
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,440
free agents. But you know, when you look at the

724
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,880
shooting percentages of aj Green over the career, like, there's

725
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,319
going to be a ton of interest, So I can't

726
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:37,720
imagine they'd prefer to go there. So yeah, I don't.

727
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:39,359
I don't see what else would hold it up.

728
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: So what are you looking at with him this year?

729
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,039
What type of role do you expect him to have,

730
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,559
like off rip for this team?

731
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think right now, the way the roster is,

732
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:50,079
he should be either starting or like the first player

733
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,759
coming off of the bench. I think personally I would

734
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,759
have him and Trent starting together as the undersized two

735
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:57,920
and three. And just you know, you look around the East,

736
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,200
I don't think there's a ton of teams that will

737
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,160
punish you for being a little small at the three.

738
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,960
With the injuries to Manly Tatum, I think Boston's the

739
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,039
one where you're like, oh, that's really hard to do.

740
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,519
The Knicks, I guess, but I'm not as worried about it. Frankly,

741
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,719
We'll see how they end up playing. But just the

742
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,079
the lineup data with Jannis Trenton Green on the floor

743
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,840
last season was just pretty outrageous, And I just think

744
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,519
it's it's simple right, like shooters, and it's not just

745
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,639
a three point percentage. Both of those guys will put

746
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,079
it up fast and they're not going to hesitate, whereas

747
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,519
I think that's where Prince had fallen off, where he

748
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,719
takes them a little longer, like teams would stop him

749
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,280
from actually getting the shot up. But Yiannis and like

750
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,119
quick twitch shooters, it's just extremely difficult to guard. So

751
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,400
I think those two players and Giannis are going to

752
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,599
play a lot together, and I think the Bucks something's

753
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,480
wrong if they're not winning those minutes by a pretty

754
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,679
large portion. So I think Green is actually going to

755
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,880
be one of their most important players. I think he's

756
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,480
not talked about as such because like it's not gonna

757
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,639
be because he develops like some insane new part of

758
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,239
his game. It's just his limited skill set is a

759
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,719
very very important one with.

760
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: Yaps, assuming we can buy into the jumper. What's the

761
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,760
next frontier for mister Ryan Rollins.

762
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 2: Playmaking? I think he as he gets downhill, he's had

763
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,599
some nice dunks. He's a good defender, He's six to two,

764
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:21,320
but he has like a six to nine wings band,

765
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,719
so he can really guard a lot of different players.

766
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,880
He generates steals if the jumper is real, then it's

767
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,880
playmaking and obviously he's never gonna be Chris Paul, but

768
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,360
just being able to make quicker decisions when he's driving.

769
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,039
I think that's probably what he's worse at as a

770
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:37,960
point guard in the NBA right now, which is a

771
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,920
big thing to be worse at, which is why I

772
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,480
wonder you bring in Anthony and then maybe play rollins

773
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:44,000
with those guards a little bit more.

774
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: Chris Livingston surprised. I'm kind of surprised that he's back.

775
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,920
Not gonna lie, but I guess after summer league makes sense.

776
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,559
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's interesting. We kind of debated this on

777
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:01,599
our show. I'll say in August not doing win this drafts,

778
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,320
but it still feels odd that they did it. He's

779
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,119
had a good summer league for two years in a row.

780
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:10,960
His good summer league last year and twenty four resulted

781
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,199
in zero opportunities to play at any point throughout the season,

782
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,679
and with all the players we're talking about, I'm not

783
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,280
sure that's going to change. Frankly, he is a three

784
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,519
sized player. They do need more of those, But do

785
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,800
I really see him earning brun over Torrian Prince, Kyle Kuzma.

786
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,599
Maybe a mere coffee, Not really, but he needs to

787
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,679
hit the shot consistently. He guarded full court in Summer League,

788
00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:34,400
which is interesting because I've always thought of him as

789
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,840
kind of a foot speed limited player. It seems like

790
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,039
he's working on that tenacious rebounder, can really slam it,

791
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,480
but needs to hit that shot more. That had kind

792
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,159
of fallen off last year. It looked good in Summer League.

793
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,559
We'll see, but yeah, it is a little The full

794
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:50,960
one year deal was a little surprising to me, but

795
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:52,320
he did play well in Summer League.

796
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,519
Speaker 1: Andre Jackson Junior. I want to like him, but I

797
00:36:58,079 --> 00:36:59,800
don't know what he's going to bring offensively.

798
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: He's just he's one of the most interesting Bucks players

799
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,280
I can remember, because the big question coming in was like, oh,

800
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,639
he's not going to be able to shoot, and that's

801
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:12,079
an issue, and his two years of shooting like has

802
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:14,920
knocked down shots at a very high level. I'm without

803
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,360
looking up for thirty eight thirty nine percent this last year.

804
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,280
But no one ever thinks they're going to go in

805
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,000
and no one guards him. His big issue is like

806
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,239
he is a god given athlete who got an invite

807
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,639
to the dunk contest, and he will not dunk the

808
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,760
ball unassisted in any circumstance. He will catch the ball

809
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,719
by the paint or in the paint and just immediately

810
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,039
pass it back out like he is like one of

811
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,400
the weirdest, most contradictory, hardest to define players. He's a

812
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,039
good defender because of the athleticism, He's not a great

813
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,880
like tools defender, if that makes sense. Like again, someone

814
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,360
like a Wesley Matthews late stage, I think was a

815
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,599
better defender even though he couldn't do anything that Ajax

816
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:56,800
can athletically, just like that knowing like how to get

817
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,559
the ball and everything like shut down Shaye Gilds Alexander

818
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:02,599
in the NBA Cup, which was like the seminal moment

819
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:05,039
for the Bucks this last year, and then they acquired

820
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:07,800
Kuzma and his role disappeared. The hardest player to define

821
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,559
they push back is guarantee date he may be packing

822
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:13,320
the bags for a mere coffee or for the Nasistetakumbo

823
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,119
TVD on that, but right now he's still on the

824
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:19,480
team and one of their better perimeter defenders. But I'm

825
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:21,599
not sure there's really gonna be a role for him this.

826
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:25,679
Speaker 1: Year, which is bizarre because I think him coming in

827
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,000
and was that twenty twenty three, if you had said, okay,

828
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,400
fast forward two years, he will shoot almost thirty nine

829
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,920
threes to those two seasons, you'd be like shit, like

830
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,599
he's gonna start.

831
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he starts half the games both years and he

832
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,639
ends up not playing by the end. I just I

833
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:43,679
don't think they feel like they can trust him offensively

834
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:46,559
because he's just like the decision making isn't really there,

835
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:48,719
and you know, he just wants to pass everything, and

836
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,559
he'll also do like you know, driving with yanis two

837
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,719
on one and he's like trying to throw behind the

838
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,559
back pass and it goes out of bounds. Just like,

839
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,280
just don't do that. We don't need Magic Johnson. Just

840
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,840
give it to be honest and get out of the way,

841
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,880
and that's almost always the right call. And things like

842
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,159
that too, I think kind of probably drive Doc crazy.

843
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: Where are we at on Tyler Smith?

844
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, a really bad summer league for him. I'm still

845
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,760
optimistic that he's going to become some sort of an

846
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,639
NBA bench player. I just think I think the shot

847
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:21,079
is real. He couldn't make any of them in Summer League.

848
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,679
But that summer league you look at last year the NBA,

849
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,800
he was okay in the G League at higher volume.

850
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,239
It was like, I want to say, thirty seven ish percent,

851
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:30,519
So he can tighten it up. He was working on

852
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:32,280
his mechanics. I got to talk to him a couple

853
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,519
of times in Oshkosh, where the Bucks G League team plays.

854
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,519
But he's actually I think he's more athletic than people think.

855
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,159
He has some nice rebounds and dunks I've seen. He

856
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:44,320
had a nice block that Doc challenged because they called

857
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,360
it a foul, but it wasn't, which was a cool

858
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,719
moment for him when he got, you know, kind of

859
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,800
end of gameplay with the Bucks. So I think they're

860
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,880
just kind of holding on and seeing how he develops.

861
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,199
But like a six' nine guy six' ten who's athletic and,

862
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,760
CAN shoot i just feel like THERE'S an nba. PLAYER

863
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,000
there i don't know if there's going to be a

864
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,719
role for him this, year YET but i. WOULD like

865
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,119
i like that they're holding Stock and i'm going to do.

866
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: The same now You Have Portis, turner yannis so the

867
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,400
big man rotation's effectively sat but he Did Mention jericho.

868
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,800
Sims before is this a breaking case of emergency, type

869
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,559
thing or do you think that maybe they'll play Him in.

870
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:22,639
Portus together if they want to Really tether yannis and turn,

871
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:24,320
her together then do you try and by Time with

872
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,280
Portis and sims on.

873
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: The, court yeah we really have been proponents of having

874
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,719
those two be a, unit together Just because portis can

875
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,960
do so, much offensively, but defensively he just can't play

876
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,639
the true big role like he's an okay actually. Switch

877
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,639
defender obviously you don't want Him On, luka donsich but

878
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,960
you know on bigger wings like. Average players he does

879
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,360
find there you ask him to drop and it goes,

880
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,400
really Bad like zone hasn't been, Very Good whereas sims

881
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:53,280
is A really i think strong defensive player at, the

882
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,760
five sometimes gets a little bullied on, the Glass but

883
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,199
portis is a, good REBOUNDER so i think there's some real.

884
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,119
SYNERGY there i just think there's probably we already talked

885
00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:03,519
about some of the smalls playing up a. Little bit

886
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,000
then you can't really also play a ton. OF bigs

887
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,480
i think it's most likely to at least to start

888
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,199
the Year that sims is ready there for when one

889
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,159
of those three players, misses time which that's the one

890
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:18,840
thing that was under explored probably About losing lopez is

891
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,039
outside of the back, surgery year he plays eighty games every.

892
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:25,119
Single year that's really RARE for. NBA centers i think

893
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,639
they feel Good about sims coming In when turner misses,

894
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,000
a Game when gatus misses, some time and just giving

895
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:33,360
them some more, big Minutes especially turner if he plays sixty,

896
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,119
FIVE games i Would assume sims is getting like twenty

897
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:38,480
minutes per game in those. Other Seventeen.

898
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,519
Speaker 1: The kyle kluzma social media caption hype train has left.

899
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: The station he's got, a newsletter he's got a. YouTube

900
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,440
series he's been crushing on the content. Front.

901
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: Man yeah Him And Michael porter Junior both and that

902
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,599
is sarcasm tone from Me And Michael. Porter junior what

903
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,840
were your early impressions of the fit post trade and

904
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,360
like kind of having to untether That, from, okay well

905
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,800
look at what they gave up to.

906
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,039
Speaker 2: Get, him, YEAH yeah I mean i think they equally

907
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:10,480
wanted the future cap Flexibility And, KYLE kuzma i think

908
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,239
it was like those were neck and neck in them

909
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,039
and making. The move the cap piece clearly helped them

910
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:18,280
do some other things. This Summer the kuzma piece started. Out,

911
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,400
GREAT actually i think it has been forgotten and how

912
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,119
bad the, playoffs were but he came in to be

913
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,400
like the defender who scores a bit, for them and

914
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,639
he really. Did it like he had some ok. Offensive

915
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:31,039
games he, had actually Ironically against luca was like probably

916
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,599
as defensive top moment as, a buck we had some

917
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:36,480
really good possessions. GUARDING him I don't i think he

918
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:40,360
struggled to guards any players smaller, than that which was

919
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,159
an issue for them as. A whole but as a

920
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,800
wing defender he had some. Okay moments AND then i

921
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,920
thought in the playoffs they did a good job of

922
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,920
putting him in a role that, made sense which is

923
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,159
like you're gonna come in and like we're gonna give

924
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:53,960
you a, couple touches you're gonna be, a slasher you're

925
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,920
gonna be, a cutter and they need a six to

926
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:58,760
nine guy who does all, Those things like even if

927
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,119
the shot was like thirty five five percent thirty, four

928
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,519
percent he was like a good wing defender at the

929
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:05,840
three who could slash AND cut i think that. Would

930
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,920
work he couldn't make. A layup it's, just like, all,

931
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,719
right well then there's a lot of things now where

932
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,000
there's no. Things left he Couldn't guard siakam. That well

933
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:17,119
he clearly could Not guard haliburton, at all and there

934
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:18,440
was just nothing left for him to do in his

935
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:21,480
role vanished entirely by the end of. The series so

936
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:24,400
you'd hope he can be better. Than that i'm not

937
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,800
sure he could be any worse than he was in.

938
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,800
THE playoffs i still think it's hard to look at like,

939
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,519
asset wise, this team whether it's, this year this, trade deadline,

940
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:35,840
next summer he's going to be expiring then and not,

941
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,559
say like ultimately they're going to turn this money into

942
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:41,559
a player who fits better unless he comes out and,

943
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,239
you know thirty seven percent from three and doesn't miss layups,

944
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,519
or something which is. CERTAINLY possible i think they're going

945
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:49,840
to give him, an Opportunity but i'm not real high,

946
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,079
on IT and I think i had him ninth In

947
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,960
my bucks rotations rankings in terms, of like WHO do

948
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,119
i think are the best players in. THE team i

949
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:00,159
the way he played in whole Is. A buck i

950
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:00,719
just couldn't put.

951
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: Him, ANYHOT yeah i probably would like to, see HIM

952
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,119
and i know it dipped like a little bit when

953
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:09,880
he Went from Washington to milwaukee for. Obvious reasons i'd

954
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,519
like to see him take fewer mid rangers and be

955
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,760
nice if he shot or if his corner threes. Went

956
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,440
in that could feel like it could be pretty useful

957
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,480
on this. Theme, massive yeah what's your level of, hope

958
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,840
though because there's value in them rebooting his value.

959
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: If they want to move him in. A, trade, yeah

960
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:28,920
YEAH so i think they're gonna. TRY to i think

961
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,039
they'd be smartest to bring him off the, bench still

962
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,400
just because obviously when you try to reboot a, player's

963
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,599
value it can. Go poorly, you know it's not. Always

964
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,320
automatic upside, in THAT and i do think they should

965
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,239
probably try and limit his minutes with the honest just because,

966
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,760
you know the spacing impact. Is real they kind of

967
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,840
operate in similar spaces on. The floor the three the

968
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,960
jumbo Lineup With Kuzma janis lopez. Didn't work, Maybe again

969
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,039
turner's a lot. More mobile maybe it, could Work but

970
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:57,159
i'm not high. ON that I hope i could.

971
00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: Rather See Portois turner yiannis at this point then who's?

972
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,079
Speaker 2: The, street, yeah absolutely like and? WHY not i think

973
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:08,079
we probably will see that at. Some point doc loves.

974
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,119
Big lineups you Cannot.

975
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,559
Speaker 1: The east is. BIG man.

976
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,559
Speaker 2: I think, we're like we're done with. Small ball it's

977
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,760
like just functional big guys who can shoot. And.

978
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,079
Speaker 1: MOVE now i, will, say Though the Rockets unless, I'm

979
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,440
like i'm probably am like forgetting. Another team Like the

980
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:26,440
rockets have done the pivot to where, it's, like oh

981
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:28,880
you're not even worried about one of your bigs being.

982
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,079
A shooter you're just gonna play and then you're gonna

983
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,360
have wings around them that aren't necessarily shooters if you

984
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,519
look Like. A thompson, SO yeah i mean there's like stuff,

985
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:39,400
is changing and it's not just it's like bigs with

986
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,039
skill and size who. Could shoot but it's not even

987
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:43,400
Bigs because. Turner is it's the other THING that i

988
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,000
couldn't not to bring it Back, to Turner but pacers

989
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,599
fans that kind of remembered what he did in, the

990
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:49,320
finals and then they look at the numbers With that

991
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,679
haliburt and it's there are like five guys IN the

992
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,639
nba who actually fit the floor spacing rim. Protector model

993
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,760
he is one of them and has been the longest tenured,

994
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,199
ONE probably i mean like LONGER. Than kp lopez was

995
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,960
like a late career. Renaissance there so you see like

996
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,280
Something the rockets. Are doing i'm now wondering if It.

997
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,159
Becomes cleveland was that for a, little bit But now

998
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:13,239
mobiley can just shoot threes and he'll probably develop a

999
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,800
mid range game for all we know at. This Point

1000
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:16,760
so i'm like kind of Looking, at, houston, is well

1001
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,800
what's the next team that's gonna try to just be

1002
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,199
really big and not care about the Floor spacing as,

1003
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:22,039
a Result.

1004
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,559
Speaker 2: The, houston offense this is totally out of. Left field

1005
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,679
justly just, feel like is it gonna? Be good because we've, seen,

1006
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,599
like oh JUST drop kd on teams and the offense

1007
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,800
will because it hasn't always. Been good I'm just i'm

1008
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,199
interested to SEE how i.

1009
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:38,519
Speaker 1: Think if they're able to retain their offensive, rebounding element

1010
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,800
especially during the Minutes that KDE's not on, the court

1011
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,360
because like there's gonna be fewer misses available to GRAB

1012
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,079
with kd on, the floor you. Would Think and, i'm,

1013
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,840
also uh you probably don't, know THIS but i will

1014
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,960
like Die For reed shepherd's stock IN. The NBA so

1015
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:54,400
i think that he's going to have like a material

1016
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:57,960
imprint on how their offense is. This year that was.

1017
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,199
A tangent we didn't take.

1018
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: That, play yeah. It wasn't what, were, We oh kuzma

1019
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,639
thirty three percent confident that he'll be like A helpful buck,

1020
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,840
this year like a third of. THE time i could,

1021
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:07,840
See it and then.

1022
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: That could be layp percentage in.

1023
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 2: Certain games so there in lies the, is sho.

1024
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: Didn't you shoot like seventy percent at the rim while

1025
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,079
he Was in milwaukee. Though too we're sitting here making

1026
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:16,320
fun of.

1027
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,079
Speaker 2: His, layoffs yeah but then seven percent probably in. The,

1028
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:22,400
Playoffs yeah it's like it's Like the, turner thing the

1029
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,679
last thing sticks in your mind and a.

1030
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: Thirty one pert the room four thirteen in. THE playoffs

1031
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,960
i did not know it was. That low, my god over.

1032
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,159
Speaker 2: AND over i think he had a he had an.

1033
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:34,159
Over game, it's like ohver a lot of shots and

1034
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:37,320
they were almost all at. The rim it's. Really Bad

1035
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:40,199
the turner thing to like your finals thing that you

1036
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,400
mentioned a couple. Of times If the bucks get to

1037
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,039
the finals and then, he's bad the best move they

1038
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:46,719
could have. Ever made they have not won a playoff

1039
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,639
series since twenty, twenty two so by, All Means miles

1040
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:52,480
turner have three good playoff series and then one. Bad

1041
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:54,559
one that that that would work for us at.

1042
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: This, point well having their two best players available for

1043
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,280
an entire playoff series would be like quite.

1044
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,119
Speaker 2: The, accomplishment also that does not Happen since bulls twenty,

1045
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:04,159
twenty two so that would.

1046
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: Be great that, Was though was That the yanna's? Back,

1047
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,039
year no that was and that was.

1048
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: The Next year jis got hurt Against.

1049
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,199
Speaker 1: The, heat yeah they've entered they're like REMEMBER the, okc

1050
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,800
era they made the finals and like every year, after

1051
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,519
that someone was, just critical was injured in. The playoffs

1052
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,639
they've entered that phase of, their development except the personnel's

1053
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:24,800
now Shifting around giannis.

1054
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: Of course, BUT yeah i think they're, just like let's

1055
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,079
get a lot of young guys who play a lot,

1056
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:31,800
and hopefully, you know they're All hopefully yannas, is available

1057
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,880
because if, he's not, nothing matters and then hopefully all

1058
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,280
these guys are young and they can make it through the,

1059
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,840
season unscathed which just they kept having problems with their

1060
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,440
key players.

1061
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,679
Speaker 1: Doing THAT so i was listening to an episode Of

1062
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,079
the eurostep podcast you might have heard, of it and

1063
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,480
one of the co hosts said that he believes this

1064
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:50,280
team has a much higher defensive ceiling than. OFFENSIVE ceiling

1065
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:53,920
i found, that interesting not because, it's outlandish BUT because

1066
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,800
i actually hadn't given it, much thought and so that

1067
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,519
prompted me to give. It THOUGHT and I think. I

1068
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:01,760
agree and so what goes into that? Specific you it.

1069
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,880
Was you for anyone who's listening and didn't catch, that

1070
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,280
bit what goes into that line of thinking?

1071
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:12,039
Speaker 2: For, YOU yeah, i, think, well first they don't have

1072
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:15,920
a second guy who raises your water, level offensively like.

1073
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,239
BY default i think they're gonna be an okay offense

1074
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,320
because it's spacing plusy. Honest works, of Course the nney

1075
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,559
honest minutes will, be difficult but, YOU know i THINK

1076
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:27,199
they'll i think they'll, manage ENOUGH but i think that

1077
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,119
will drag down their overall offense to, You know i'd

1078
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,280
say middle of the pack league wide IS what i. Would,

1079
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,280
EXPECT defensively i think their ceiling is a top five

1080
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,719
defense uh, in there JUST because i think they have

1081
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,840
a lot of solid at. WORST defenders i think someone

1082
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,480
Like A ryan rollins is, you know maybe league wide

1083
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:48,519
underrated had a big impact. On them as a, PERIMETER

1084
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:51,320
defender I thought trent. WAS solid i thought their point guards,

1085
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,039
were GOOD like kpj was a pretty, good defender kind

1086
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:58,039
of off and on would have like these dramatic steals

1087
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:00,440
and dunks and then would get totally long the. Next

1088
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,480
POSSESSION but i think the net result was OKAY and

1089
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,679
i but really it's about the. FRONT court i Think

1090
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:13,119
The yannis turner. FRONT court i am not as EXCITED

1091
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:16,280
as i was about The yannest, dame offense but like

1092
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,320
eighty percent as excited About The turner yanni's DEFENSE as

1093
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,320
i was, for that JUST because i Remember when lopez

1094
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:26,920
was A defensive player Of the year caliber player and

1095
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,760
you Miss A drew Holliday Or, eric bledsoe, of course

1096
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,840
but those guys anchored. That defense really it was, the

1097
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,639
paint and, you know trying to chase guys into it.

1098
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:38,199
Was important they're going to need to be able to.

1099
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,320
Navigate screens we'll see how their players do with that overall.

1100
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,679
This YEAR green i think is a good, defender too by,

1101
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,079
the way but those guys can really eat up the

1102
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,239
paint and they've never had two mobile shot, blockers BEFORE

1103
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,400
and i just can't wait to see what it. Looks

1104
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,119
LIKE and i think it's just going to be extremely

1105
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,320
hard to score around. The basket and as, we know

1106
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:01,440
you know the games and teams don't shoot, lights out

1107
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:04,960
it's generally very difficult to win if you can't score

1108
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,599
around the basket. At all that's like the number one

1109
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,360
defensive thing where if you can protect, the rim you'll

1110
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,760
be at, least solid and if, you can't it's very

1111
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:13,159
hard to.

1112
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: Be good who is like their best you want to

1113
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,320
call them wing stopper or primary wing checker on? This team?

1114
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:23,079
Speaker 3: IS it.

1115
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 2: I wonder if they'll be honest to it more depending

1116
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,159
on the player they'd like to have him off ball

1117
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,199
and as, The, roamer uh it'd Probably be and people are,

1118
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,599
Gonna laugh I'd say Rollins. ARE green I think green

1119
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,320
actually was a tremendous defender for most of. Last season

1120
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,039
had like a couple of tough weeks, in there but

1121
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,960
he's just sturdy and solid and he moves his. Feet

1122
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,960
well the big thing will be does he get called?

1123
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,079
FOR fouls i think he got in his head a

1124
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,760
little bit because he's a young player and you just

1125
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,039
don't get that whistle benefit of the doubt against good.

1126
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:57,679
Offensive players then he kind of started reaching and being

1127
00:51:57,679 --> 00:51:59,559
too aggressive and then really would get in a foul,

1128
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:01,679
of trouble but then clear it up down, THE stretch

1129
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,360
i think in a. Nice Way, BUT rollins i think

1130
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,679
one of the few good moments of the playoff Run.

1131
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:12,119
Against indiana he really had stymied their fast break offense

1132
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:14,360
when they played him because he would Pick up haliburt in,

1133
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,320
full court, kind of, you know reversing What the pacers did,

1134
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,320
to teams and it had a big impact on what

1135
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,079
they were able to do Offensively. Against Milwaukee so I'd

1136
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,119
say rollins is. Their best AND then I think green is.

1137
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,639
Up there and then it's like a lot of guys

1138
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:28,000
who are, just okay.

1139
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: Are you ready to enter the cookie cutter portion of?

1140
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:36,360
The podcast let's. Cut cookies what is your primary concern

1141
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,760
for this team entering This is we've talked about a couple,

1142
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,559
of them but what is your what's your biggest?

1143
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:45,599
Speaker 3: Single, ONE yeah i just think it's the fact that

1144
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:50,519
there's not a clear three that, makes SENSE and i

1145
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:53,280
think that could, Be Okay but i'm a little worried

1146
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,280
About how doc handles that problem VIS.

1147
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: A vi do you Just play Trent and green at

1148
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,440
the two three and figure it, out out WHICH is

1149
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,599
i think the, optimal answer or do, you, Say Well

1150
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,599
kyle Kuzma And torrian prince are, our three so they're

1151
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:09,440
gonna play a combined forty minutes, per NIGHT which i

1152
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,239
think would really lower the ceiling and floor of what

1153
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,000
the team. Could DO so i think it's that and

1154
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,079
that if they, added someone even if it wasn't an,

1155
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:22,199
Amazing player but just like if You turn KUZMA Into rj, barrett,

1156
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,400
somehow somehow then the team makes more sense and you lose,

1157
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,960
That DOWNSIDE and i JUST think i would believe in

1158
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,960
them more as a week to, week product whereas RIGHT

1159
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,400
now i think that's a problem that they can solve with.

1160
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,280
This Roster but i'm just not Sure how doc's gonna.

1161
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: Approach it what's an underrated strength or something about this

1162
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,159
team that you don't think is receiving.

1163
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: ENOUGH attention i think the point guard room is. ACTUALLY

1164
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:49,440
good i don't think. IT'S great i think there's just

1165
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,320
so many really good point guards in. The LEAGUE but

1166
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,559
i see it discussed as though they just HAVE no

1167
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,599
nba players in, that room and even if you ACKNOWLEDGE

1168
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,800
that kpj is, a risk which certainly is a huge

1169
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:02,760
to not be, GOOD again I think rollins will be

1170
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,760
at least like a MODERATELY good, nba PLAYER and I

1171
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,159
Think cole anthony is like a very solid backup, Point

1172
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:10,960
GUARD so i don't see that as the big hole.

1173
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,199
Many do it's clearly they Don't Have damian Lillard Or drew,

1174
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:16,440
holliday ANYMORE but i think some of those players are

1175
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,400
better than, people THINK and i think they have enough

1176
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,079
production there to get through. Games with janis also kind

1177
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:23,880
of being a point guard in, some sense.

1178
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: So stuff changes all, the time but at, full strength

1179
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,320
what do you think the top ten rotation looks like for?

1180
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,679
This team when you're trying to isolate the start feels

1181
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,880
like most of the starters are set, In stone, but

1182
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,119
like who do you think it up being the top

1183
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:37,519
ten most?

1184
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 2: Used, players Yeah so i'll say my preferred would BE

1185
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:46,920
and i think this is Quasi Realistic, Porter Junior, Trent Green,

1186
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,920
giannis turner and then the back line Is Basically Cole

1187
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,880
anthony rollins as the combo guard will say two and

1188
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:02,800
then probably then prints kuzma yanis With like simms is

1189
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,119
the in case of, emergency GUY and i Guess A

1190
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,320
mere coffee. There too if he's there Along With.

1191
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: GARY harris i still can't Believe A mere coffee only

1192
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,159
got a. Camp deal, it's, like.

1193
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: YEAH well I think i think they're gonna find a spot,

1194
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,639
for him but uh not yet they.

1195
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:20,079
Speaker 1: Have not what do You think doc is gonna wind

1196
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:23,320
up favoring the smaller looks or let's just say the

1197
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,960
looks that maybe don't have a, true wing or do

1198
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,760
you think he'll veer in the other direction because you

1199
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,360
said he likes, big lineup so where it's maybe we

1200
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,480
see the, three bigs Or it's kuzma's just playing a

1201
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:33,920
ton of like a shit ton of Three.

1202
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,159
Speaker 2: HIGH probably i. Don't know it's really interesting last year

1203
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:42,239
he during the regular season he wanted. The bigs during

1204
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,280
the playoffs he did get, one over and he eventually

1205
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,880
ended up just going with like the one young Point

1206
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:53,559
Guard Green trent Jannis and lopez or Even Smaller portis

1207
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:56,199
janis ended up being their their stretching, front court and

1208
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:58,480
those two actually played really well together down the stretch.

1209
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:02,000
Last year And all doc, loves media so he's done

1210
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:05,079
like five things he keeps talking about like we need to,

1211
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:07,639
be fast we need to, be stretchy like, you know

1212
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:09,360
we saw this is how we played with the honest at,

1213
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,280
point guard and that is how he got in. The

1214
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,760
playoffs eventually took him, too long but he GOT so

1215
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,719
i want to believe that he will go with. SMALLER

1216
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,960
groups i think they have to to. Be good i'm

1217
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,880
a little worried it'll be the. Bigger groups but you

1218
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,840
do look At like Game. Five indiana, You know Kuzma

1219
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,920
and prince barely played and they Basically Ran trenton green into.

1220
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,760
The ground so that is where. They got they have

1221
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,199
given that. Lip service they have built a roster that

1222
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:34,800
makes sense to.

1223
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:35,119
Speaker 3: Do that.

1224
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: We'll see i'm not. Totally sold we call It doc

1225
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,360
holm syndrome of like buying Into what doc says versus

1226
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:41,599
how he.

1227
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: ACTUALLY coaches i missed The The bleacher report. Quote graphic

1228
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,639
we need to get to the season so we Get

1229
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:51,079
more doc. QUOTE graphics i gotta call my.

1230
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: Throat guy nobody should ask for. THIS job i think

1231
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:55,559
was a.

1232
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:58,039
Speaker 1: GOOD one i thought it WAS a i was a.

1233
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,480
GOOD one i thought it was a was That the.

1234
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:03,400
Luca trade was That The. LUCA traders i.

1235
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 2: Think that Was the. Luca trade he had another one

1236
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,039
where just like we were halfway To can kun when

1237
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:11,039
they lost right Before The. All, stars yeah that was

1238
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:12,519
one of. My favorites that was a.

1239
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: Good, one look people have a lot of valid Criticisms.

1240
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,199
ABOUT doc i actually wonder if this is the type

1241
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:21,400
of roster because the thing that's tattooed into. My memory

1242
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,760
do you Remember that clippers team where Was Either danilo

1243
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,199
Gallinari Or tobias harris was their. Best player he seems

1244
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:29,440
more wired for that type. Of TEAM and I know

1245
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:33,079
yannis as your tent pole guy is so much different

1246
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:36,239
than a team that has no. Traditional star but, after

1247
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,159
that it feels, Like, more oh this Could be doc's vibe,

1248
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,440
this Year so i'll make sure. With that and if,

1249
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,320
nothing else like he's just gonna, say shit so other.

1250
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,280
Coaches wouldn't so you have to.

1251
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: APPRECIATE that i learned to divorce and just Enjoy the

1252
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,840
Doc as order experience because. It's great he is one

1253
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,400
of our nation's. Great orders he Goes On bill simmons

1254
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:57,599
and just sticks up For the bucks and. It's awesome

1255
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,960
but then you watch him coach Just Like jesus christ,

1256
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:03,280
but yeah like they when they didn't have any players

1257
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,199
The first, indiana series he had gallop out there as

1258
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:08,840
like a five playing zone and it worked for a couple,

1259
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,159
of games, and like remember They pushed indiana to six

1260
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:13,280
With no Johannest and dame getting hurt as Well and

1261
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:16,199
chris on half, a leg, and yeah those are the

1262
00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:18,880
moments he tends to. Do well so we'll see how.

1263
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,119
It goes but it is kind of h honest and cobble.

1264
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:24,000
THINGS together, I mean i'll say it's, it's yeah it's

1265
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:26,280
like a good, front court and then cobble the. Rest

1266
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,599
together so that's kind of, His challenges like how do

1267
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:30,599
we figure out the, right, one, two THREE because i

1268
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:33,599
think the four or five is relatively firm at.

1269
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:37,519
Speaker 1: This point this question is to a large extent. Matchup

1270
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:39,639
dependent but what do you think winds up being their

1271
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:40,920
go to? Closing unit.

1272
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,039
Speaker 2: GOOD question i think they'll probably be able to stay

1273
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:49,880
bigger than they were in. YEARS past i would usually

1274
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,280
say a small, ball GROUP but i think they probably will. Be,

1275
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,960
TURNERY honest i think he's just too good and flexible

1276
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,360
enough that he probably won't get played off the floor,

1277
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,199
very often or at Least the bucks will try and

1278
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,800
not let. That happen i'm gonna say. THOSE two I

1279
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,920
think Green. AND trent i just think what they've proven

1280
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,760
a shooters and the chemistry with the honest is just.

1281
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,760
TOO strong i looked. It Up gary trent, really bad

1282
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,920
like first, eight games didn't shoot under forty percent in a.

1283
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,280
Single Month after october it was just. Remarkably Consistent and

1284
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,840
green only dipped like. Thirty SEVEN so i think those

1285
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,119
two will be, out there AND then i think it'll

1286
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:25,519
Be Probably Kevin. PORTER junior i would like To see

1287
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:29,079
rollins for, the DEFENSE but i would. WE'LL see i

1288
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:30,599
think it'll be one of, those TWO but i think

1289
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:33,440
the other. FOUR players i feel pretty confident in which

1290
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:34,000
four will be.

1291
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:37,639
Speaker 1: Out there what's, a weirdo quirky or off the beaten

1292
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:41,079
path lineup you'd like to see doc try out? THIS year.

1293
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,679
Speaker 2: I think there almost. All are that's the difficulty of

1294
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:48,360
it is like the team is kind of so strange

1295
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,199
that there's there's. No choice we got a small Sample

1296
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,199
Of sims yannis lineups and they the spacing is. So

1297
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,719
bad but maybe like those two and then Like a

1298
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:06,000
rollins and two shooters and, just see like does it.

1299
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:09,199
Work enough they were. PRETTY good, i mean most Guys

1300
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:11,199
with giannis had a pretty good net rating, last year

1301
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:14,400
But Some sims giannis just, to, see like let's just

1302
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,280
have some, two big switchable guys, out there and, You

1303
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,039
know rex stuff Defensively and sims tries really hard and,

1304
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:23,000
runs around really loves to. Set screens one of my

1305
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,679
favorite things about. A player he will sprint across the

1306
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:28,360
floor just had a screen For like Tory. And prince

1307
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:31,719
takes a special kind of guy to. Do That so, I'll,

1308
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:34,079
SAY sims i WANT to i want to Talk about sims.

1309
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: A LITTLE so i want to see a three, big

1310
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,320
UNIT but i want it to be. AND put, i

1311
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,880
Mean Have aj Green And Gary trent junior, out there

1312
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,000
it's just like the. Back court then Give Me turner

1313
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:49,599
giannis and get let's See Some tyler smith. Minutes, THERE

1314
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:51,320
oh i would just like to see what that lineup.

1315
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,280
Looks like and, you're right BECAUSE when i was trying

1316
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,079
to come up with a quirky lineup for, THIS team

1317
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:57,760
i try to pick one, that's, Like oh doc won't

1318
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,639
like the coach probably won't. Try this and it's JUST

1319
01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:02,960
when i was putting together combinations, like well NO like

1320
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,920
i could see that making. THE court i could see

1321
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:05,559
that one making.

1322
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,239
Speaker 2: The, court SERIOUSLY like i was expecting you, to Say

1323
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,000
Like Yannis turner portis and those, two SHOOTERS like i

1324
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,840
could see him running that, out there and like.

1325
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: Fuck it Let's Go tyler smith and then we'll Throw

1326
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,920
a torrian prince at. THE one i don't need to see,

1327
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,440
kuz there so let's see what.

1328
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,239
Speaker 2: That looks you lost me with, Prince too, but yeah

1329
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,119
you were cooking for a.

1330
01:01:26,159 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: Second there you could get you could get to some

1331
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,639
really funky but it's kind of lame To say yannis

1332
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:32,719
is the big but you get some really Nifty. Like

1333
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,280
yannis plus like all these guard type lineups would be

1334
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:36,679
a lot of.

1335
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:39,679
Speaker 2: Fun, TOO yeah i could see, them experimenting especially if

1336
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:41,480
someone was out or something like the other team was,

1337
01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:46,159
really small but Like A Rollin's, Trent Green, prince yannis

1338
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:48,920
and it's just like everyone's a forty percent catch and

1339
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,000
shoot guy And then yannis just wrecking stuff in. The.

1340
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,719
MIDDLE uh i wouldn't be shocked if we see a

1341
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,199
little bit. Of THAT but i think there's gonna be

1342
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:58,079
a Lot Of yannis Portis And. JANNEST turner i think

1343
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:00,639
they like to be big but, also shooting but the

1344
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:01,280
small stuff is.

1345
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,679
Speaker 1: Fun too before we get, into predictions is there anything

1346
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:06,840
else we haven't talked about with this team that you

1347
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,639
think needs to. BE discussed.

1348
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:12,079
Speaker 2: I think we've hit most all.

1349
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:12,559
Speaker 1: Of it.

1350
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if there's. LIKE any i think

1351
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,719
we've done a pretty, good, job honestly of going. ALL

1352
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,719
over i do think there's always the chance they just

1353
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,599
like they're better than, we THINK but i think we'll

1354
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:30,320
cover that. In predictions, But overall i'm excited about their.

1355
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,360
FRONT court i guess there's their front court. IN general

1356
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,519
i think it's probably gotten underrated how good that, unit

1357
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:36,480
IS and i, get it like the lack of a

1358
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:38,480
three in the point guard room kind of stand out

1359
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:40,599
on the, Other END but i do think there's not,

1360
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,000
many teams, if any who have a better like front

1361
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:47,960
court Group, Than Jannis, Miles Turner, bobby porters And then

1362
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,039
simms is like the depth.

1363
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: GUY there i guess the one thing we could have,

1364
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,119
talked about especially because you mentioned it earlier in, the

1365
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:56,719
podcast is them having the pick the swap. To trade

1366
01:02:57,199 --> 01:03:00,880
do you actually think they would move, this, year BECAUSE

1367
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,119
as i mentioned at, the top like, MY head i

1368
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:05,360
viewed it as they're getting through, this year so they

1369
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,280
can dangle up, to three like outright first round picks.

1370
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: Next, YEAR yeah i think, they WOULD like i think

1371
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,239
they'd be okay, doing that but they're they're. There again

1372
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:16,599
they're just not a team that like plans out, stuff,

1373
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:19,239
like oh we'll do something in. A year if there's

1374
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,760
something available now that, THEY like i don't think they'll

1375
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,480
just throw it for. LIKE anything i don't think they're

1376
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,559
gonna go give a pick and a swap to get

1377
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,079
Like A zach lavigne kind. Of player they couldn't anyway

1378
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:33,400
with the, salaries NOW but i think if the, right

1379
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,719
opportunity the one that they felt, was right they would

1380
01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:39,320
they would trade. IT now i DON'T think i had

1381
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,679
a similar plan for them to have, three total and

1382
01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:44,320
then they Traded For damian lillard like a few months

1383
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,000
before they could. Do THAT so i don't think they're

1384
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,079
gonna find A. DAM september.

1385
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,239
Speaker 1: I would probably bet against them trading the first round pick.

1386
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,239
Or swap they aren't in an interesting POSITION because i

1387
01:03:57,239 --> 01:03:59,119
think we talked about this before, the podcast is like

1388
01:03:59,239 --> 01:04:01,800
basically they're in higher roster Except For kyle kuzma And

1389
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,519
aj Green and giannis can't, be traded so once the trade,

1390
01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:07,079
Eligibility lifts i'm not su you're doing something now That

1391
01:04:07,159 --> 01:04:10,280
involves Kuzma and GREEN and i, just Again given, KUZMA'S

1392
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:11,960
value i don't know what the deal is that would

1393
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,239
excite Me If, i'm milwaukee or that would excite, me

1394
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:17,400
Frankly if i'm another team with him. In it so

1395
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:20,559
you could Then, be Okay it's december fifteenth Or in january,

1396
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:23,320
like it are we good enough? To justify so there

1397
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,239
won't be that. Immediate pressure not that teams ever, feel

1398
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:27,760
IT but i think, last, year look we saw some

1399
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,159
teams Act the Lakers, getting Smith the warriors going out And.

1400
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:33,000
Getting shrewter we saw a couple of, things happen like.

1401
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:35,760
Earlier on they're kind of in they can, play though

1402
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,920
like we really can't do anything, right now card like

1403
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,320
we need to wait until all these trade.

1404
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:43,119
Speaker 4: Restrictions, lift yeah but then even when they, lift though

1405
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:47,880
like unless You're trading Horters, or turner they just signed

1406
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,840
a bunch of guys to minimums mostly so they don't

1407
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:50,280
they don't have.

1408
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,199
Speaker 2: THAT much i guess The Part porter junior is like

1409
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,920
five million rollins is like, four million but they're not

1410
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,559
gonna have a bunch of like super tradable salaries, come

1411
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:03,000
up and so it. Still matters it still obviously opens

1412
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:06,360
up a lot more flexibility for like lumping, salaries together

1413
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,159
but it is it's hard for me to even like

1414
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:12,199
reframe of they could bring in so many more PLAYERS

1415
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:15,079
than i, would think not, value wise but salary wise

1416
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,360
now that they're out of all, the aprons because the

1417
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,239
trade windows just feel so so loose now versus where

1418
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:24,199
they had to play the last. Two years so.

1419
01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: As we're looking ahead to, next season as the roster,

1420
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:31,639
currently stands and we're recording this in the dead smack

1421
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,840
in the Middle, of august how many games do you

1422
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,760
Have these bucks winning and where do you see them

1423
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,679
landing Inside the east for the.

1424
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: REGULAR season i think they're going to be a top.

1425
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:46,360
FOUR team i think they'll win probably around when they did.

1426
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,880
Last year they won forty eight games, last YEAR which

1427
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,440
i think kind of went under reported just with like

1428
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,719
everything going on with their team and the injuries and

1429
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,320
always losing To. The PACERS but i think they're going

1430
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,840
to kind of be. There AGAIN so I think Cleveland

1431
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,159
and knicks will definitely be better in the regular season

1432
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,679
and probably in the playoffs two pending some sort of a.

1433
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,320
Roster move but there's so much talent on, THOSE teams

1434
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,039
i think they're gonna be in. The mix Then, With, Orlando,

1435
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,119
ATLANTA detroit i think that's kind of the NEXT tier.

1436
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:18,639
I have i Think the bucks will be probably like

1437
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:22,280
the second or third best of that, group overall even

1438
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,719
though they clearly don't have the, you know, the best

1439
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:27,239
second best guy versus any of. THOSE teams i think

1440
01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:29,760
their advantage with the first best guy and their level

1441
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,599
of depth overall will get. Them there and they're just

1442
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,079
suited to play modern basketball in a way they really

1443
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:36,880
haven't been quite. A.

1444
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: While now THE more, i think THE more I think

1445
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:46,000
I like Orlando and atlanta better, than them but Nothing, after,

1446
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:49,199
cleveland frankly but we have to Put the knicks in there.

1447
01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:52,239
After That the east does fit like because If the sixers,

1448
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,199
are healthy like, you, could Yeah the sixers got the.

1449
01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:57,039
THREE seed i don't think it's going. To Happen joelle

1450
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:00,119
beid's basically been eliminated from awards ballots based on the

1451
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:02,039
number back to backs that they have, this year where they.

1452
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:06,960
Had sixteen so it's so wide open, after THAT and

1453
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,719
i think that you, could say if you had to pick,

1454
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,320
A number I think i would would, probably SAY like

1455
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,880
i would guarantee that three teams will, be better which

1456
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,679
feels like Then the bucks could land four. Or five

1457
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:17,599
six feels like the range when you look At, the Pistons,

1458
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:20,199
the hawks what happens with. THE sixers i don't think

1459
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:22,800
there's a team like Maybe the raptors could come out of.

1460
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,480
Left field but In, the east it doesn't feel like

1461
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:27,639
there's a healthy amount of, wild Cards like philly is

1462
01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:28,840
the wild card For.

1463
01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:31,719
Speaker 2: THE east, i mean you could Even say, milwaukee IS

1464
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,920
and i. WOULDN'T like i don't think, it's DISRESPECTFUL like

1465
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,639
i think there's like if, you're, honest missus like, you

1466
01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:39,559
know a, long period they're going to be hard pressed

1467
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:41,880
to go five hundred than. THOSE games i. DON'T know

1468
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:43,840
i know some people are really high in. THE heat

1469
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,280
i personally can't, get THERE and i like the norm,

1470
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,039
pol THING but i can't get there with them being

1471
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:51,760
actually good and most of the BAD teams i think

1472
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,679
kind of want to. BE bad i. Don't Know does

1473
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:54,920
charlotte do anything.

1474
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: For you depending on. THE day, i mean like they

1475
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,800
have they all of a sudden got very. GUARD heavy

1476
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:02,760
I like Musa, dia batte but don't like their center.

1477
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,639
Situation Overall but i'm excited.

1478
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: To, see yeah they need them to Be but.

1479
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: LaMelo And brandon miller plus, Actual, Shooting yeah i'm interested.

1480
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,199
To see but YOU could i talked Myself into charlotte,

1481
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:15,800
last year like there's a LOT of nba bodies and

1482
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,600
intriguing players on, the ROSTER but i don't think they

1483
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,680
call ace into, YOU know i don't, HAVE like I

1484
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,359
don't they're not on the same Level as Brooklyn, and

1485
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,560
WASHINGTON where i think they're gonna be just. Regiously bad

1486
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,720
but they're More, like chicago except there they are playing

1487
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,399
LIKE a i think they're playing a better end game

1488
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,000
than whatever The hell chicago continues.

1489
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:37,279
Speaker 2: To, DO yeah, i yeah that don't don't really know

1490
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:39,520
what's going, on there, BUT yeah i think the Interesting

1491
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,399
conversation i've seen, is like who's gonna Be, Better indiana Boston.

1492
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,800
Or milwaukee i've seen that put out there AND THAT

1493
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,600
i i don't mean to be disrespectful to, those TEAMS

1494
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,479
but i just can't get there with their front. Court

1495
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,800
situations and Then obviously indiana to, you Know no Halibert

1496
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,960
and notatum, of course but those injuries plus some of

1497
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,520
the guys they're rolling out at the four. OR FIVE

1498
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,359
i i Just think milwaukee has a, higher floor, you

1499
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:04,920
know pending something dramatic with, be honest than those teams.

1500
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,039
Speaker 1: Like that i'm not going to, predict IT but i

1501
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:11,039
think you could talk me into a scenario in Which

1502
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:12,960
the pacers are better Than the bucks when you look

1503
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,279
at all the pieces in place and how driven they

1504
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,319
will still be to. WIN games I think boston is

1505
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:20,279
very clearly telegraphed that at some point this season that

1506
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:22,520
is not going to be like even on their top

1507
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,239
five list. Of priorities so.

1508
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 2: They Don't the bucks don't see Them, until February and,

1509
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,920
i'm like one of the chances that one or Both

1510
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,880
of White and brown are not playing in games, By them,

1511
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,039
We'll see we'll.

1512
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: See against those like extended absences where it sounds like

1513
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,880
a made up injury to a made up like fictitious. Body,

1514
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,880
part yeah those are definitely coming down. The pipeline is there,

1515
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,800
a team whether it's a contender or just a team

1516
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,880
In the east that you are particularly interested in as,

1517
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,159
a matchup Like haw milwaukee matches Up with whether it's

1518
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:54,479
from a point, Of oh, i'm CONCERNED or i Think

1519
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,600
the bucks actually match up with this team better than other.

1520
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:57,439
PEOPLE think.

1521
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:01,359
Speaker 2: I think they. MATCH uh i think the top two

1522
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,960
they match up with. BETTER now, i think both In

1523
01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:08,960
targeting dame and in Kind of lopez's lack, of athleticism

1524
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,800
they had some really built in difficult Things with Cleveland And,

1525
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,640
New York and i'm NOT saying i think those are

1526
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,960
like great matchups For the, bucks NOW but i think

1527
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,680
they'll actually be more live, and hey they can have

1528
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,680
a worst record against those teams this year than they did,

1529
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,520
last YEAR but I think i think they'll be more

1530
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,359
live in those matchups than. THEY were I think giannis

1531
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:28,560
missed one or two Against the cavs like it wasn't

1532
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,239
there was some things that went, into it but they

1533
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:32,359
were kind of dead on arrival against. Those teams for the.

1534
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,720
MOST part i THINK they'll i think they'll be a

1535
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,560
little better Against THOSE but i think everyone's excited to

1536
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,800
see how their team matches up Against, the HAWKS and i.

1537
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,319
Am too that's a fun team that's going to be

1538
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:45,640
a challenging one, to play and that they've Given. The

1539
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,159
buck they've Given the bucks some problems with like some of,

1540
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:51,439
the Athleticisms so i'm really excited to see those. Matchups,

1541
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,039
too ty this was great.

1542
01:10:53,079 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 1: As always thank you for giving me so much of.

1543
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,479
Your time thank you for. Coming back are you able

1544
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,680
just to tell, our listeners our viewers where they can

1545
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,479
find you and all the fantastic that you?

1546
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: Put out absolutely wherever you get this great pod which you, should, subscribe,

1547
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,520
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1548
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,359
you can Find the eurostep there those places, as well

1549
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,640
and as you, said earlier Very graciously Dan at Tiwindish,

1550
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,920
On Twitter, Blue. SKY instagram i think those are pretty

1551
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,720
much the. Main ONES but i, Where, else no none of,

1552
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,279
those those none of. Those yet yeah we'll, see you,

1553
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:27,960
but no not. Right now so just those Family those.

1554
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,039
Speaker 1: The links to his social media handle And the eurostep

1555
01:11:32,039 --> 01:11:34,199
podcast will be in the YouTube. PODCAST description i would

1556
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:36,399
just like to echo once Again the eurostep does a,

1557
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,680
fantastic job one of my favorite podcasts. Out, There ty

1558
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,960
thank you so much. As always as you know, By

1559
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,159
now i'll be pestering you again in, the future and until,

1560
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,000
NEXT time i leave everybody with a shout out to

1561
01:11:46,039 --> 01:11:49,720
the One the Only Mister, Frank, nila keena