WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:01.879 You'll be away five seventeen. 2 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:04.879 Do you want to report a UFO hanging in? 3 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:08.560 We don't want to report every thirty one. 4 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:09.480 Do you wish to report a. 5 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.960 UFO over hey, we want to one of those. 6 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:15.439 Areas thirty one. 7 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.160 Do you wish to find a report of any kind 8 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:17.320 of it? 9 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:22.640 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time areas 10 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:23.120 thirty one? 11 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:24.960 Me neither there. 12 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:30.480 See if it was anybody above us to pass us, 13 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:32.960 Like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of 14 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:39.280 golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten 15 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:40.920 nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over. 16 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:42.640 I go. 17 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.119 I don't know what it was, but it's from at 18 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.679 least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed 19 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.840 out over the top of us. 20 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.479 Ninety one one. 21 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.039 You just called both to be be four. 22 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:58.039 They're after staying. 23 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:06.079 The airplanes here to God on an unidentified object every 24 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:14.239 liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying object. 25 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:19.120 A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share 26 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:24.400 their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had 27 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.519 an encounter, I would like to be on the show. 28 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:47.920 You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 29 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.400 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you 30 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:54.519 all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO 31 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.439 Chronicles podcast. In this episode, we meet Bill coming to 32 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:01.680 us from the state of Bammer and Bill shares his 33 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:05.200 account of witnessing a UFO with his mother and sister 34 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:09.159 in the late nineteen seventies and physical evidence on his 35 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:13.159 property of a perfectly burned circle. And when Bill, a 36 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:16.400 former Marine, got deployed to Egglin Air Force Base in 37 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:19.879 two thousand and nine, he wasn't expecting to stumble into 38 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.759 one of the most secretive radar installations in the world, 39 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:28.719 site CE six. Bill is up next, but first, if 40 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:30.639 you enjoy a show and you would like to help 41 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.639 support the podcast on Patreon, you can do this for 42 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.159 as little as one dollar a month. Head on over 43 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:40.719 to patreon dot com forward slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You 44 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:43.400 can also find a link in the description of this episode. 45 00:02:43.599 --> 00:03:03.199 Any help is very much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello, Bill, 46 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:04.840 Welcome to the podcast. 47 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:06.560 Nice to meet you. 48 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.400 It's nice to meet you too. It is great to 49 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.199 have you with us this evening. And you're calling from 50 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:13.479 the state of Alabama. 51 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:18.240 That's right. I've had this to be my home for 52 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:23.439 let's see, since nineteen eighty three, give or take, because 53 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.639 I've moved and came back a few times. 54 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:29.759 Cool, you've been there. Well, what's your favorite thing about Alabama? 55 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.319 Well, I love the summertime. I have a jeep, so 56 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:37.520 during the summer, I leave my top off and we 57 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:40.560 usually go riding into the canyon and you just can't 58 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:45.520 beat that fresh country air. And where I live is 59 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:49.520 a very scenic area. We have a lot of tourists here. Also, 60 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:54.639 the country group Alabama is actually from here in my city. 61 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.159 I went to high school with a lot of the 62 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:01.960 band members children and actually got to meet a lot 63 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:06.280 of the band members and worked a few of their 64 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:10.439 concerts that they've had over the years. There's a lot 65 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:14.000 of people here that are very musically inclined. Music is 66 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.279 one of the more popular things here. We have a 67 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:20.600 lot of city functions during the summer, you know, where 68 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.800 everybody gets together and it's truly a nice place to 69 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:29.399 bring up a family. Still, it's still small, about fifteen 70 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:32.879 thousand people for the population, but it's growing all the time. 71 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.839 We have a lot of people moving here because because 72 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.079 living here is a lot cheaper than it is up 73 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.160 north throughout west somewhere right well. 74 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:45.519 Shout out to our listeners in Alabama. Great stuff. Okay, now, Bill, 75 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.959 you have some experiences to share with us. Would you 76 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:50.720 like to start the beginning please, sir. 77 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:56.959 Yeah. So I was born in Athens, Georgia, is a 78 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:02.519 home for the University of Georgia is located, and my 79 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.759 family lived in a small town outside of Athens called 80 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:10.839 a Hole, Georgia. I think holds about twelve miles away 81 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:15.439 from Athens. Anyway, we lived there from the time I 82 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:21.000 was born to about nineteen seventy eight, and when I 83 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:27.560 was around four years old, we had a very strange occurrence. 84 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:32.800 One night, I was walking across this little gravel driveway 85 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.040 that we had in this small trailer park had about 86 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:40.759 eight trailers and four on each side, and at the 87 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:44.040 end of the trailer park there was a barb wire 88 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:49.240 fence with a huge pasture right beside it. And that 89 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:53.079 night I was walking across the little road that went 90 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.399 between the trailer park and I caught something out the 91 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.160 corner of my eye, and at first I thought it 92 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:03.079 was a fire, had a glow to it, and I 93 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.959 just froze looking at it. It was off to my right, 94 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:10.360 and I would say it's probably about eighty yards away, 95 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:16.560 just estimating here. I thought, well, I better talk to 96 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:20.199 somebody about this before you know, our houses burned down here. 97 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.720 And then I saw it move slightly. It was just 98 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:30.839 like slowly moving through the trees. I thought, well, it 99 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.480 can't be a fire. It's kind of moving and it's 100 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:37.839 not leaving a trail behind it. So I'm sitting here 101 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:41.680 just staring at this thing, just frozen, looking at it, 102 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.240 trying to figure out what it was. And then I 103 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.199 hear my mother calling my name over to my left, 104 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.920 and I looked over and she's crouched down behind the 105 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:55.759 edge of our trailer, which is across the road, and 106 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:59.639 she's waving for me to come over there. She's calling 107 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:05.240 my name. So I finally was able to move and 108 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:10.040 I went over and got behind her, and I kept 109 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:13.160 trying to look around her to see, you know, what 110 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:16.160 it was. I could tell she was really upset. I mean, 111 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:21.360 something was making her really nervous, and every time I 112 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.560 would try to look around her, she would push me 113 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:29.759 back and we ended up going inside the trailer. I 114 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:34.480 remember the next day we went out to the field 115 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.000 where I'd seen this light the night before, and we 116 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.720 crawled through this little barbar fence, and shortly after we 117 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:47.000 got through the fence, I see this big, huge burnt 118 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:53.720 circle in the pasture. Now, the burnt circle was more 119 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:57.879 centered up on the road compared to where I saw 120 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:01.399 it the night before. I don't know how many feet 121 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.720 it had moved over to my left, but it was 122 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:10.120 more centered up where the road went through the trailer 123 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:12.879 park where we lived. And I remember it just being 124 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.879 like a very surreal feeling and not really knowing what 125 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:21.319 to make of it. It just felt, if I had 126 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:23.720 to put a word to it, it just felt kind 127 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:27.800 of ominous to me. And I was really bewildered by 128 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:32.120 what I was seeing. And for the next several years 129 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:35.279 I just tried to forget all about it. So fast 130 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:40.240 forward to in nineteen eighty nine, we had a UFO 131 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:45.039 flap here in five, Alabama, which is inside the county 132 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:48.639 where I live now. We had cattle mutilations. We had 133 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:53.360 CNN and a lot of the major news networks come here. 134 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.799 They were doing stories about these UFOs people were seeing 135 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:02.480 here and cattle mutilation. Is Linda Moulton Howell. I talked 136 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:05.120 to her she said she came down for that too. 137 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.559 Now at that time when we had them in the 138 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.519 late eighties and early nineties, I don't recall seeing anything 139 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.000 during that time, but I do recall, you know, it 140 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.879 made me have a flashback out of what I saw 141 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:23.000 when I was a kid, and I never talked to 142 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:28.519 anybody about it. Well, shortly after I graduated high school, 143 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:31.679 I went into the Marine Corps in nineteen ninety four 144 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:35.480 and I spent four years in the Marine Corps. I 145 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.200 got out and was going to college. In two thousand 146 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.720 and three, I joined the National Guard, and shortly after 147 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.840 I joined the National Guard, my unit got activated. We 148 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:50.840 went overseas for Operation and during Freedom. I spent three 149 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:53.360 years with the National Guard. I spent a year and 150 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:57.080 a half active duty overseas. I was stop lost while 151 00:09:57.120 --> 00:09:59.279 I was over there. When I came back, I got 152 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:02.320 out my son, he had been born when I was 153 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:06.039 over there, and I needed to get out of the 154 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:09.720 military for a while anyway, So in two thousand and 155 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.240 nine I went back in for the third time. Well, 156 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:15.200 when I went back in for the third time in 157 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.600 two thousand and nine, we got orders to go overseas 158 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:20.840 again and they sent us to Eggland Air Force Base 159 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:25.480 in Fort Walla, Florida. And when we arrived there. At 160 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:29.480 this time, I was with a military police unit. I 161 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:33.799 had three MOSS, which is military occupational especially I was 162 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:38.639 a military policeman. I was a shooting coach, and I 163 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:42.200 was also in food service at the time. At that time, 164 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.200 I was getting ready to deployed with the military police 165 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:49.440 and they sent our unit to Eggland Air Force Base. 166 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.279 And the first day we got there, we have a 167 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:58.639 meeting which they called guard Mount. Guard Mount is the 168 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:02.759 time when they tell you what you're gonna be doing 169 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.080 there on the base. They tell you about the different 170 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.519 areas of the base that you're going to be patrolling, 171 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:14.279 the different sectors. And Eglan is, I believe, the biggest 172 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.200 base in the US, if not the world. It's believed 173 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:23.120 the biggest air force base. So at the briefing there 174 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:26.679 was the guy that was head of security. He came 175 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.919 up and he told us, oh, yeah, by the way, 176 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:33.919 if you get a chance to patrol with the Marine 177 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:38.519 patrol that patrols the waters outside the base, you might 178 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:42.240 get to see some space jump because occasionally space debris 179 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:46.720 falls in the waters surrounding the base. Well, we just 180 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.399 kind of laughed and I didn't give it another dog. 181 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.559 I just remember thinking, well, I'll probably not patrol that 182 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:56.320 area if I have a choice, because I don't want 183 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:01.559 to touch anything that's not from here. So on days 184 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:04.759 that we were out in the field, we're supposed to 185 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:09.159 be doing a marijuana eradication. Now, we worked with the 186 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:13.960 Air Force Security Forces and their contract security people they had, 187 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:20.080 so it was US National Guard, Military Police, Air Force 188 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:25.440 Security Forces, which are their version of military police. That's 189 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.960 what the Air Force caused, their military police and then 190 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:33.639 their contract security people. Okay, so on the days we're 191 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.120 out in the field, we were supposed to be looking 192 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:39.919 for marijuana. The other main function we had there was 193 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.559 to do garrison security with the Air Force Security Forces. 194 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.360 In those days, we would ride on the main side 195 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.120 of the base and you know, just do regular military 196 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.039 police duties like give tickets for speeding parking where you're 197 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:59.440 not supposed to be parking, things like that. So one 198 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:04.120 of the days that I was working in the field, 199 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:07.279 I was teamed up with one of the Air Force 200 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.200 Security Force guys. We hit it off really well and 201 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:17.960 he said he had to go to this site. He 202 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.720 really didn't tell me what it was. We rode up 203 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:27.080 to this strange looking shaped building. I didn't really know 204 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:30.159 what it was at the time. We walk in the 205 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:36.159 building and he goes ahead of me, and I'm standing 206 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:40.279 in this like a lobby of the building and there 207 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:45.200 is an Air Force Security Forces airman to my left 208 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.879 at a podium. He had like a little chick in sheet. 209 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.799 They didn't check our IDs we got in there. We're 210 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:53.759 in uniform anyway, so it wouldn't mattered. And I want 211 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:57.759 to add that all military police have secret security clearance. 212 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.279 They have to have it because they have to be 213 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.039 able to go to any place on a base. If 214 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.159 there's a security breach, you have to call the military 215 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:09.799 police to go arrest people. So you have to be 216 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.240 able to go anywhere on any base your station. Well, 217 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:17.440 he goes ahead of me. He opens the door and 218 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:21.279 he meets a guy in a white lab coat and 219 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:26.200 they're conversing about something. And I look on the wall 220 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:31.000 of this lobby and in gold letters, I see this 221 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.519 science says we monitor all space activity terrestrial and extraterrestrial 222 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:40.919 from planet Earth. Okay, So at that very moment when 223 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:43.919 I read that, I got a funny feeling in my stomach. 224 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:48.399 I immediately recalled the incident I had as a kid. 225 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.519 Something deep down inside me told me to get out 226 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:54.440 of the building, like something was actually talking to me. 227 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:58.720 I don't know if it was some sort of a 228 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.559 telepathic mess. I don't know what it was, but it 229 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:03.360 was clear as day it told me to get out 230 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:11.159 of there. So I started sweating. And finally the guy 231 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:15.279 that I came there with, he comes out, walks out 232 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:18.919 there where I'm at, and we get in his truck 233 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:24.159 and we leave. And before we got to the side, 234 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:27.960 we were talking a lot. You know, We're talking about football. 235 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:30.879 He was telling me that he played college football for Colorado, 236 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:37.440 Colorado State, and he was a kickoff return guy, and 237 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:40.000 we were just, you know, talking about we were talking 238 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:43.320 about religion. That was kind of odd. He was telling 239 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.159 me he was a gesture with you. I had no 240 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.200 idea what that was, and he told. 241 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:48.960 Me what it was. 242 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:52.720 I never heard of that religion. And I remember, you know, 243 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.120 just snippets of the conversation like that we had. And 244 00:15:56.200 --> 00:16:00.320 on the way back, I just remember being silent, like 245 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.159 I don't remember us talking at all. When we left, 246 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.919 and one of the days after that, I'm in a 247 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.399 humbye and I think, I'm just with another guarden member 248 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.360 that day and I had to stop to make a 249 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:18.360 nature call out there, and i'd stopped the humbe and 250 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.159 I heard something over my shoulder and I looked and 251 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:24.279 these guys were just all dressed in black. They were 252 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:28.559 sitting what we'd call Indian style, you know, left leg 253 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.639 over their right leg, and they had their hands on 254 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:35.639 their knees. And there were about twenty guys, ten in 255 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:41.440 each column, looking straight ahead, just acting like you know, 256 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:43.960 I wasn't even there. I waved at them, I let 257 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:47.480 them know that I saw, and they were just stonefaced 258 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:51.480 though time. So I got the humbie and left. And 259 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:55.639 one of the knights that we were there. Right before 260 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.919 we left, we were playing cards one night and our 261 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:02.799 first sergeant came out and made us go inside. Unexplicably, 262 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.200 he he said, everybody come in now. And you know, 263 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.559 I heard something off in the distance, like something was 264 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.079 in the air, but I never got to see what 265 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.240 it was. But we had no curfew, so that kind 266 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:19.599 of surprised us that he wanted us to go in. 267 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:24.680 That night, we left Egglin, and you know, it just 268 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.359 had a very strange sense about the whole place. It 269 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:34.000 was probably one of the strangest bases I'd ever been. 270 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:36.839 On one of the days I worked with one of 271 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.119 the security force guys there. We were eating lunch by 272 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:43.240 this runway that had a huge hangar at the end 273 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:47.440 of it, and I kept watching these planes that didn't 274 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:51.680 have any tail numbers taking off, and I asked him, 275 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.160 I said, what are these planes taking off of hotel numbers? 276 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.000 And he said, well, we refer to him as secret 277 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:04.759 squirrel planes. And I said, why do you refer to 278 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:08.359 them as secret squirrel planes? He said, well, the CIA 279 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.839 has projects that they do here, and that's the plane 280 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.799 they used to fly back and forth, you know, working 281 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:19.240 on all the different projects they have there. So some 282 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:23.319 years go by, and I got out of the National 283 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:28.160 Guard in twenty twelve. We started having some really strange 284 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:32.319 things happening around the house. One morning, I got ready 285 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:36.039 to teach, and it was middle of the winter, and 286 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:39.880 I kept feeling something like cold on the back of 287 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.680 my neck, and I looked behind my blinds and my 288 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:46.480 window was up about six inches. I started seeing like 289 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:51.200 these strange things on my back deck. It looked almost 290 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:53.880 like a division sign. It had like a bar and 291 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:55.759 it had like a little dot above it and a 292 00:18:55.880 --> 00:19:01.359 dot below it. And it was a plane clean place 293 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:04.319 that came up on my back day. Now I have 294 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:10.000 to occasionally pressure wash my back day. This place just 295 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:14.079 showed up on my security camera and when it would rain, 296 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:20.960 it would not absorb water. Okay, Well, on my back 297 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:25.799 fence to my property, something set on my fence. It 298 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.480 was about five foot across that killed all the vegetation 299 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.759 underneath it, which I have pictures of it. There were 300 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:36.240 two indentations where my fences were. Something set down on 301 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:40.359 it from the top, so it wasn't like a deer bed. 302 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.160 Someone had suggested it was a deer bed or something. Well, 303 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:48.160 I live in the city. I have security cameras. I've 304 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:52.079 never seen any deer over here lay down long enough 305 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:54.680 to make a bed out of it. For one, and 306 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:56.680 I used to deer hunt, and I've never seen one 307 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.960 like that. The tree that was across from the indentation, 308 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.720 she was completely scorched on the side. I started seeing 309 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:09.519 these round, circular patterns in my grass that were probably 310 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:13.359 about fifteen to twenty feet across. We started watching the 311 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:16.480 security cameras and some of the stuff I recorded was 312 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:21.799 really really crazy. I started talking to my mother and 313 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:26.200 finally I brought up what happened that night in Georgia. 314 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.079 You know, we had never talked about it, and finally 315 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:32.400 I just broke down and I asked her, I said, 316 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.960 what was that we saw on the field that night? 317 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:39.079 And she about came out of her seat. She said, 318 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.960 you remember that. I said yeah, I said, I've thought 319 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.119 about it for years. I said, we just never talked 320 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.880 about it. And that's when she told me that she 321 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:51.880 had seen it land and she drew a picture of it. 322 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.240 I had a picture that she drew. She had never 323 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:57.920 drawn a picture of it in my life. We had 324 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:02.079 a NYU film student come here and interview me and 325 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:05.759 my mother for about three days. She wanted my mother 326 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:09.000 to show her what it looked like. And it didn't 327 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:11.200 take my mother just a few seconds to draw it, 328 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:16.920 and she said, once she saw a ramp come down 329 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.440 underneath this thing, that's when she got us in the 330 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:24.559 house and locked the door. So when I saw it, 331 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:28.240 I don't know if it had just landed and that 332 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:32.160 it moved over to where she saw it in the 333 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:38.160 middle of the field, But just from what I can 334 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:43.000 remember in it, the position that it was in or 335 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:46.079 the spot that it left on the ground. The next day, 336 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:50.279 I think it moved from where I saw it to 337 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.599 where she saw the ramp come down, So I think 338 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:59.480 when I saw it, it maybe had just landed, and that's 339 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.359 when she in to tell me that they had an 340 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:07.880 experience before that were Ronnie Thomas. He saw it come 341 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.680 over the car, And I remember the story of my 342 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:13.200 grandmother telling me, and my mother was telling me that 343 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.400 people were coming up missing, and they started all writing 344 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:22.559 to work together because it was just scaring them to 345 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:27.160 death from what was happening. These are really strange things, 346 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.920 and a lot of times, you know, I just think 347 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:34.480 I wished that I had never seen anything, because it's 348 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:39.400 so extraordinary to see something like that, and it's also 349 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:44.279 hard to talk about. It's hard to live with it, 350 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:48.359 I think, because you've seen something that you can't really 351 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:50.559 talk to other people about because they look at you 352 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.359 like you're crazy when you talk about it. So there's 353 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:57.240 a limited number of people that I discussed about it. 354 00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.880 You know, if they're curious or something, I'll talk to 355 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.680 about it, but you know, I don't mention it to anybody. 356 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.680 Me and my fiance talk about it because she had 357 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.720 an experienced work her daughters one night they were coming 358 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:14.240 back from a mall, and this was at the time 359 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:17.000 we had the UFO flat in the late eighties. They 360 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:20.480 were coming back on an old country road about twelve 361 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:25.599 miles from here, and they saw these two lights shining 362 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:29.359 on cattle in a field. So they pulled over to 363 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:32.119 the side of the road and they watched these things 364 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:35.880 for about fifteen minutes. And she said, well they would do. 365 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:42.000 They would over like a cow and a light would 366 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:44.799 come on like a flashlight, like a real bright light. 367 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:48.519 And she said it would click off real fast, and 368 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.799 then would go to another one and do the same thing. 369 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:54.200 The light would come on, and there were two crafts 370 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:58.119 doing this, and she said at the end they both 371 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.960 clicked their lights off. The first one shot off. It 372 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:05.319 didn't make a sound, she couldn't hear anything, and a 373 00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:08.680 few seconds later the other one took off. Now her daughter, 374 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:11.640 her youngest daughter, she got on the floorboard of the 375 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.200 car and started crying, want to leave. Her daughters are 376 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:19.000 very educated people. The one that was in the floorboard crime. 377 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.319 She's a teacher now and the other one is a 378 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.319 registered nurse. And they've never talked about it. The only 379 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.599 reason I know about it is because my fiancee told me. 380 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.400 But they've never all three of them, ever talked about it. 381 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:35.920 My mother and I. You know, I'm glad after all 382 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.720 these years we finally shared that experience with each other 383 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:42.799 because it amazed me. Forty something years went by before 384 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:47.160 we even talked about it, and it took Egglin and 385 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:50.799 a few other things happening to kind of jar my 386 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:54.319 memory about it enough to tell me, hey, this is 387 00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:59.240 real and what I experienced was real and we need 388 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:02.359 to discuss it. It still makes my mother feel very 389 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:05.119 uncomfortable about it. The only reason she talked to me 390 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.920 is because I brought it up. He never talked about it. 391 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:12.839 Good stuff that bill interesting us. Some strange stuff that's 392 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:13.839 happened in your life. 393 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:18.720 Yeah, the anomalies, the things happening in the yard. We 394 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:21.000 got to the point where we just started ignoring it 395 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.680 because I couldn't get anybody to come here to look 396 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:28.759 into it. I think when I would call people that 397 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:31.400 actually did this for a living, they were scared to come. 398 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.319 One of the photos that we took with a security 399 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:38.440 camera looks like an angel. It was. I took a 400 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:44.279 still photo of something that looked like people would probably 401 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:47.640