Speaker 1: You'll be away five seventeen.
Speaker 2: Do you want to report a UFO hanging in?
Speaker 1: We don't want to report every thirty one.
Speaker 3: Do you wish to report a.
Speaker 2: UFO over hey, we want to one of those.
Speaker 1: Areas thirty one.
Speaker 3: Do you wish to find a report of any kind
Speaker 3: of it?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time areas
Speaker 4: thirty one?
Speaker 1: Me neither there.
Speaker 2: See if it was anybody above us to pass us,
Speaker 2: Like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of
Speaker 2: golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten
Speaker 2: nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over.
Speaker 3: I go.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but it's from at
Speaker 2: least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
Speaker 2: out over the top of us.
Speaker 1: Ninety one one.
Speaker 2: You just called both to be be four.
Speaker 1: They're after staying.
Speaker 4: The airplanes here to God on an unidentified object every
Speaker 4: liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 3: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
Speaker 3: their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
Speaker 3: an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
Speaker 3: You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 3: all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO
Speaker 3: Chronicles podcast. In this episode, we meet Bill coming to
Speaker 3: us from the state of Bammer and Bill shares his
Speaker 3: account of witnessing a UFO with his mother and sister
Speaker 3: in the late nineteen seventies and physical evidence on his
Speaker 3: property of a perfectly burned circle. And when Bill, a
Speaker 3: former Marine, got deployed to Egglin Air Force Base in
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, he wasn't expecting to stumble into
Speaker 3: one of the most secretive radar installations in the world,
Speaker 3: site CE six. Bill is up next, but first, if
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Speaker 3: Any help is very much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello, Bill,
Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you.
Speaker 3: It's nice to meet you too. It is great to
Speaker 3: have you with us this evening. And you're calling from
Speaker 3: the state of Alabama.
Speaker 1: That's right. I've had this to be my home for
Speaker 1: let's see, since nineteen eighty three, give or take, because
Speaker 1: I've moved and came back a few times.
Speaker 3: Cool, you've been there. Well, what's your favorite thing about Alabama?
Speaker 1: Well, I love the summertime. I have a jeep, so
Speaker 1: during the summer, I leave my top off and we
Speaker 1: usually go riding into the canyon and you just can't
Speaker 1: beat that fresh country air. And where I live is
Speaker 1: a very scenic area. We have a lot of tourists here. Also,
Speaker 1: the country group Alabama is actually from here in my city.
Speaker 1: I went to high school with a lot of the
Speaker 1: band members children and actually got to meet a lot
Speaker 1: of the band members and worked a few of their
Speaker 1: concerts that they've had over the years. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people here that are very musically inclined. Music is
Speaker 1: one of the more popular things here. We have a
Speaker 1: lot of city functions during the summer, you know, where
Speaker 1: everybody gets together and it's truly a nice place to
Speaker 1: bring up a family. Still, it's still small, about fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand people for the population, but it's growing all the time.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of people moving here because because
Speaker 1: living here is a lot cheaper than it is up
Speaker 1: north throughout west somewhere right well.
Speaker 3: Shout out to our listeners in Alabama. Great stuff. Okay, now, Bill,
Speaker 3: you have some experiences to share with us. Would you
Speaker 3: like to start the beginning please, sir.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was born in Athens, Georgia, is a
Speaker 1: home for the University of Georgia is located, and my
Speaker 1: family lived in a small town outside of Athens called
Speaker 1: a Hole, Georgia. I think holds about twelve miles away
Speaker 1: from Athens. Anyway, we lived there from the time I
Speaker 1: was born to about nineteen seventy eight, and when I
Speaker 1: was around four years old, we had a very strange occurrence.
Speaker 1: One night, I was walking across this little gravel driveway
Speaker 1: that we had in this small trailer park had about
Speaker 1: eight trailers and four on each side, and at the
Speaker 1: end of the trailer park there was a barb wire
Speaker 1: fence with a huge pasture right beside it. And that
Speaker 1: night I was walking across the little road that went
Speaker 1: between the trailer park and I caught something out the
Speaker 1: corner of my eye, and at first I thought it
Speaker 1: was a fire, had a glow to it, and I
Speaker 1: just froze looking at it. It was off to my right,
Speaker 1: and I would say it's probably about eighty yards away,
Speaker 1: just estimating here. I thought, well, I better talk to
Speaker 1: somebody about this before you know, our houses burned down here.
Speaker 1: And then I saw it move slightly. It was just
Speaker 1: like slowly moving through the trees. I thought, well, it
Speaker 1: can't be a fire. It's kind of moving and it's
Speaker 1: not leaving a trail behind it. So I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: just staring at this thing, just frozen, looking at it,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what it was. And then I
Speaker 1: hear my mother calling my name over to my left,
Speaker 1: and I looked over and she's crouched down behind the
Speaker 1: edge of our trailer, which is across the road, and
Speaker 1: she's waving for me to come over there. She's calling
Speaker 1: my name. So I finally was able to move and
Speaker 1: I went over and got behind her, and I kept
Speaker 1: trying to look around her to see, you know, what
Speaker 1: it was. I could tell she was really upset. I mean,
Speaker 1: something was making her really nervous, and every time I
Speaker 1: would try to look around her, she would push me
Speaker 1: back and we ended up going inside the trailer. I
Speaker 1: remember the next day we went out to the field
Speaker 1: where I'd seen this light the night before, and we
Speaker 1: crawled through this little barbar fence, and shortly after we
Speaker 1: got through the fence, I see this big, huge burnt
Speaker 1: circle in the pasture. Now, the burnt circle was more
Speaker 1: centered up on the road compared to where I saw
Speaker 1: it the night before. I don't know how many feet
Speaker 1: it had moved over to my left, but it was
Speaker 1: more centered up where the road went through the trailer
Speaker 1: park where we lived. And I remember it just being
Speaker 1: like a very surreal feeling and not really knowing what
Speaker 1: to make of it. It just felt, if I had
Speaker 1: to put a word to it, it just felt kind
Speaker 1: of ominous to me. And I was really bewildered by
Speaker 1: what I was seeing. And for the next several years
Speaker 1: I just tried to forget all about it. So fast
Speaker 1: forward to in nineteen eighty nine, we had a UFO
Speaker 1: flap here in five, Alabama, which is inside the county
Speaker 1: where I live now. We had cattle mutilations. We had
Speaker 1: CNN and a lot of the major news networks come here.
Speaker 1: They were doing stories about these UFOs people were seeing
Speaker 1: here and cattle mutilation. Is Linda Moulton Howell. I talked
Speaker 1: to her she said she came down for that too.
Speaker 1: Now at that time when we had them in the
Speaker 1: late eighties and early nineties, I don't recall seeing anything
Speaker 1: during that time, but I do recall, you know, it
Speaker 1: made me have a flashback out of what I saw
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and I never talked to
Speaker 1: anybody about it. Well, shortly after I graduated high school,
Speaker 1: I went into the Marine Corps in nineteen ninety four
Speaker 1: and I spent four years in the Marine Corps. I
Speaker 1: got out and was going to college. In two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, I joined the National Guard, and shortly after
Speaker 1: I joined the National Guard, my unit got activated. We
Speaker 1: went overseas for Operation and during Freedom. I spent three
Speaker 1: years with the National Guard. I spent a year and
Speaker 1: a half active duty overseas. I was stop lost while
Speaker 1: I was over there. When I came back, I got
Speaker 1: out my son, he had been born when I was
Speaker 1: over there, and I needed to get out of the
Speaker 1: military for a while anyway, So in two thousand and
Speaker 1: nine I went back in for the third time. Well,
Speaker 1: when I went back in for the third time in
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, we got orders to go overseas
Speaker 1: again and they sent us to Eggland Air Force Base
Speaker 1: in Fort Walla, Florida. And when we arrived there. At
Speaker 1: this time, I was with a military police unit. I
Speaker 1: had three MOSS, which is military occupational especially I was
Speaker 1: a military policeman. I was a shooting coach, and I
Speaker 1: was also in food service at the time. At that time,
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to deployed with the military police
Speaker 1: and they sent our unit to Eggland Air Force Base.
Speaker 1: And the first day we got there, we have a
Speaker 1: meeting which they called guard Mount. Guard Mount is the
Speaker 1: time when they tell you what you're gonna be doing
Speaker 1: there on the base. They tell you about the different
Speaker 1: areas of the base that you're going to be patrolling,
Speaker 1: the different sectors. And Eglan is, I believe, the biggest
Speaker 1: base in the US, if not the world. It's believed
Speaker 1: the biggest air force base. So at the briefing there
Speaker 1: was the guy that was head of security. He came
Speaker 1: up and he told us, oh, yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: if you get a chance to patrol with the Marine
Speaker 1: patrol that patrols the waters outside the base, you might
Speaker 1: get to see some space jump because occasionally space debris
Speaker 1: falls in the waters surrounding the base. Well, we just
Speaker 1: kind of laughed and I didn't give it another dog.
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking, well, I'll probably not patrol that
Speaker 1: area if I have a choice, because I don't want
Speaker 1: to touch anything that's not from here. So on days
Speaker 1: that we were out in the field, we're supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing a marijuana eradication. Now, we worked with the
Speaker 1: Air Force Security Forces and their contract security people they had,
Speaker 1: so it was US National Guard, Military Police, Air Force
Speaker 1: Security Forces, which are their version of military police. That's
Speaker 1: what the Air Force caused, their military police and then
Speaker 1: their contract security people. Okay, so on the days we're
Speaker 1: out in the field, we were supposed to be looking
Speaker 1: for marijuana. The other main function we had there was
Speaker 1: to do garrison security with the Air Force Security Forces.
Speaker 1: In those days, we would ride on the main side
Speaker 1: of the base and you know, just do regular military
Speaker 1: police duties like give tickets for speeding parking where you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to be parking, things like that. So one
Speaker 1: of the days that I was working in the field,
Speaker 1: I was teamed up with one of the Air Force
Speaker 1: Security Force guys. We hit it off really well and
Speaker 1: he said he had to go to this site. He
Speaker 1: really didn't tell me what it was. We rode up
Speaker 1: to this strange looking shaped building. I didn't really know
Speaker 1: what it was at the time. We walk in the
Speaker 1: building and he goes ahead of me, and I'm standing
Speaker 1: in this like a lobby of the building and there
Speaker 1: is an Air Force Security Forces airman to my left
Speaker 1: at a podium. He had like a little chick in sheet.
Speaker 1: They didn't check our IDs we got in there. We're
Speaker 1: in uniform anyway, so it wouldn't mattered. And I want
Speaker 1: to add that all military police have secret security clearance.
Speaker 1: They have to have it because they have to be
Speaker 1: able to go to any place on a base. If
Speaker 1: there's a security breach, you have to call the military
Speaker 1: police to go arrest people. So you have to be
Speaker 1: able to go anywhere on any base your station. Well,
Speaker 1: he goes ahead of me. He opens the door and
Speaker 1: he meets a guy in a white lab coat and
Speaker 1: they're conversing about something. And I look on the wall
Speaker 1: of this lobby and in gold letters, I see this
Speaker 1: science says we monitor all space activity terrestrial and extraterrestrial
Speaker 1: from planet Earth. Okay, So at that very moment when
Speaker 1: I read that, I got a funny feeling in my stomach.
Speaker 1: I immediately recalled the incident I had as a kid.
Speaker 1: Something deep down inside me told me to get out
Speaker 1: of the building, like something was actually talking to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was some sort of a
Speaker 1: telepathic mess. I don't know what it was, but it
Speaker 1: was clear as day it told me to get out
Speaker 1: of there. So I started sweating. And finally the guy
Speaker 1: that I came there with, he comes out, walks out
Speaker 1: there where I'm at, and we get in his truck
Speaker 1: and we leave. And before we got to the side,
Speaker 1: we were talking a lot. You know, We're talking about football.
Speaker 1: He was telling me that he played college football for Colorado,
Speaker 1: Colorado State, and he was a kickoff return guy, and
Speaker 1: we were just, you know, talking about we were talking
Speaker 1: about religion. That was kind of odd. He was telling
Speaker 1: me he was a gesture with you. I had no
Speaker 1: idea what that was, and he told.
Speaker 2: Me what it was.
Speaker 1: I never heard of that religion. And I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: just snippets of the conversation like that we had. And
Speaker 1: on the way back, I just remember being silent, like
Speaker 1: I don't remember us talking at all. When we left,
Speaker 1: and one of the days after that, I'm in a
Speaker 1: humbye and I think, I'm just with another guarden member
Speaker 1: that day and I had to stop to make a
Speaker 1: nature call out there, and i'd stopped the humbe and
Speaker 1: I heard something over my shoulder and I looked and
Speaker 1: these guys were just all dressed in black. They were
Speaker 1: sitting what we'd call Indian style, you know, left leg
Speaker 1: over their right leg, and they had their hands on
Speaker 1: their knees. And there were about twenty guys, ten in
Speaker 1: each column, looking straight ahead, just acting like you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't even there. I waved at them, I let
Speaker 1: them know that I saw, and they were just stonefaced
Speaker 1: though time. So I got the humbie and left. And
Speaker 1: one of the knights that we were there. Right before
Speaker 1: we left, we were playing cards one night and our
Speaker 1: first sergeant came out and made us go inside. Unexplicably,
Speaker 1: he he said, everybody come in now. And you know,
Speaker 1: I heard something off in the distance, like something was
Speaker 1: in the air, but I never got to see what
Speaker 1: it was. But we had no curfew, so that kind
Speaker 1: of surprised us that he wanted us to go in.
Speaker 1: That night, we left Egglin, and you know, it just
Speaker 1: had a very strange sense about the whole place. It
Speaker 1: was probably one of the strangest bases I'd ever been.
Speaker 1: On one of the days I worked with one of
Speaker 1: the security force guys there. We were eating lunch by
Speaker 1: this runway that had a huge hangar at the end
Speaker 1: of it, and I kept watching these planes that didn't
Speaker 1: have any tail numbers taking off, and I asked him,
Speaker 1: I said, what are these planes taking off of hotel numbers?
Speaker 1: And he said, well, we refer to him as secret
Speaker 1: squirrel planes. And I said, why do you refer to
Speaker 1: them as secret squirrel planes? He said, well, the CIA
Speaker 1: has projects that they do here, and that's the plane
Speaker 1: they used to fly back and forth, you know, working
Speaker 1: on all the different projects they have there. So some
Speaker 1: years go by, and I got out of the National
Speaker 1: Guard in twenty twelve. We started having some really strange
Speaker 1: things happening around the house. One morning, I got ready
Speaker 1: to teach, and it was middle of the winter, and
Speaker 1: I kept feeling something like cold on the back of
Speaker 1: my neck, and I looked behind my blinds and my
Speaker 1: window was up about six inches. I started seeing like
Speaker 1: these strange things on my back deck. It looked almost
Speaker 1: like a division sign. It had like a bar and
Speaker 1: it had like a little dot above it and a
Speaker 1: dot below it. And it was a plane clean place
Speaker 1: that came up on my back day. Now I have
Speaker 1: to occasionally pressure wash my back day. This place just
Speaker 1: showed up on my security camera and when it would rain,
Speaker 1: it would not absorb water. Okay, Well, on my back
Speaker 1: fence to my property, something set on my fence. It
Speaker 1: was about five foot across that killed all the vegetation
Speaker 1: underneath it, which I have pictures of it. There were
Speaker 1: two indentations where my fences were. Something set down on
Speaker 1: it from the top, so it wasn't like a deer bed.
Speaker 1: Someone had suggested it was a deer bed or something. Well,
Speaker 1: I live in the city. I have security cameras. I've
Speaker 1: never seen any deer over here lay down long enough
Speaker 1: to make a bed out of it. For one, and
Speaker 1: I used to deer hunt, and I've never seen one
Speaker 1: like that. The tree that was across from the indentation,
Speaker 1: she was completely scorched on the side. I started seeing
Speaker 1: these round, circular patterns in my grass that were probably
Speaker 1: about fifteen to twenty feet across. We started watching the
Speaker 1: security cameras and some of the stuff I recorded was
Speaker 1: really really crazy. I started talking to my mother and
Speaker 1: finally I brought up what happened that night in Georgia.
Speaker 1: You know, we had never talked about it, and finally
Speaker 1: I just broke down and I asked her, I said,
Speaker 1: what was that we saw on the field that night?
Speaker 1: And she about came out of her seat. She said,
Speaker 1: you remember that. I said yeah, I said, I've thought
Speaker 1: about it for years. I said, we just never talked
Speaker 1: about it. And that's when she told me that she
Speaker 1: had seen it land and she drew a picture of it.
Speaker 1: I had a picture that she drew. She had never
Speaker 1: drawn a picture of it in my life. We had
Speaker 1: a NYU film student come here and interview me and
Speaker 1: my mother for about three days. She wanted my mother
Speaker 1: to show her what it looked like. And it didn't
Speaker 1: take my mother just a few seconds to draw it,
Speaker 1: and she said, once she saw a ramp come down
Speaker 1: underneath this thing, that's when she got us in the
Speaker 1: house and locked the door. So when I saw it,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it had just landed and that
Speaker 1: it moved over to where she saw it in the
Speaker 1: middle of the field, But just from what I can
Speaker 1: remember in it, the position that it was in or
Speaker 1: the spot that it left on the ground. The next day,
Speaker 1: I think it moved from where I saw it to
Speaker 1: where she saw the ramp come down, So I think
Speaker 1: when I saw it, it maybe had just landed, and that's
Speaker 1: when she in to tell me that they had an
Speaker 1: experience before that were Ronnie Thomas. He saw it come
Speaker 1: over the car, And I remember the story of my
Speaker 1: grandmother telling me, and my mother was telling me that
Speaker 1: people were coming up missing, and they started all writing
Speaker 1: to work together because it was just scaring them to
Speaker 1: death from what was happening. These are really strange things,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times, you know, I just think
Speaker 1: I wished that I had never seen anything, because it's
Speaker 1: so extraordinary to see something like that, and it's also
Speaker 1: hard to talk about. It's hard to live with it,
Speaker 1: I think, because you've seen something that you can't really
Speaker 1: talk to other people about because they look at you
Speaker 1: like you're crazy when you talk about it. So there's
Speaker 1: a limited number of people that I discussed about it.
Speaker 1: You know, if they're curious or something, I'll talk to
Speaker 1: about it, but you know, I don't mention it to anybody.
Speaker 1: Me and my fiance talk about it because she had
Speaker 1: an experienced work her daughters one night they were coming
Speaker 1: back from a mall, and this was at the time
Speaker 1: we had the UFO flat in the late eighties. They
Speaker 1: were coming back on an old country road about twelve
Speaker 1: miles from here, and they saw these two lights shining
Speaker 1: on cattle in a field. So they pulled over to
Speaker 1: the side of the road and they watched these things
Speaker 1: for about fifteen minutes. And she said, well they would do.
Speaker 1: They would over like a cow and a light would
Speaker 1: come on like a flashlight, like a real bright light.
Speaker 1: And she said it would click off real fast, and
Speaker 1: then would go to another one and do the same thing.
Speaker 1: The light would come on, and there were two crafts
Speaker 1: doing this, and she said at the end they both
Speaker 1: clicked their lights off. The first one shot off. It
Speaker 1: didn't make a sound, she couldn't hear anything, and a
Speaker 1: few seconds later the other one took off. Now her daughter,
Speaker 1: her youngest daughter, she got on the floorboard of the
Speaker 1: car and started crying, want to leave. Her daughters are
Speaker 1: very educated people. The one that was in the floorboard crime.
Speaker 1: She's a teacher now and the other one is a
Speaker 1: registered nurse. And they've never talked about it. The only
Speaker 1: reason I know about it is because my fiancee told me.
Speaker 1: But they've never all three of them, ever talked about it.
Speaker 1: My mother and I. You know, I'm glad after all
Speaker 1: these years we finally shared that experience with each other
Speaker 1: because it amazed me. Forty something years went by before
Speaker 1: we even talked about it, and it took Egglin and
Speaker 1: a few other things happening to kind of jar my
Speaker 1: memory about it enough to tell me, hey, this is
Speaker 1: real and what I experienced was real and we need
Speaker 1: to discuss it. It still makes my mother feel very
Speaker 1: uncomfortable about it. The only reason she talked to me
Speaker 1: is because I brought it up. He never talked about it.
Speaker 3: Good stuff that bill interesting us. Some strange stuff that's
Speaker 3: happened in your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the anomalies, the things happening in the yard. We
Speaker 1: got to the point where we just started ignoring it
Speaker 1: because I couldn't get anybody to come here to look
Speaker 1: into it. I think when I would call people that
Speaker 1: actually did this for a living, they were scared to come.
Speaker 1: One of the photos that we took with a security
Speaker 1: camera looks like an angel. It was. I took a
Speaker 1: still photo of something that looked like people would probably
Speaker 1: think is like a Virgin Mary type of apparition is
Speaker 1: what it looked like. For a few nights, there was
Speaker 1: this light shining through the rails on my back deck.
Speaker 1: My back deck, SI's only like two or three feet
Speaker 1: off the ground. There was something a light through my rails.
Speaker 1: And this went on for two or three nights. There's
Speaker 1: nothing that low that can shine a light through my rails.
Speaker 1: When I went out to look at where that light
Speaker 1: was coming from, there was a burntmark in my grass,
Speaker 1: like a strip of burnt grass. And I took pictures
Speaker 1: of this where that light was coming from. It was
Speaker 1: some of the strangest things that I'd ever seen. And
Speaker 1: like I said, we got to the point where we
Speaker 1: just ignored it because it was driving us crazy. We
Speaker 1: would come home, our back sliding glass door would be
Speaker 1: open slightly, you know, just enough to let us know,
Speaker 1: you know, that something opened it. I don't know who
Speaker 1: or what did it. And one day we got a
Speaker 1: visit by two guys in a black suv. What happened
Speaker 1: was my son called me. He said he was at
Speaker 1: Walmart with a flat tar. Walmart's on the other end
Speaker 1: of town here. Well, my fiance, she had just pulled
Speaker 1: up in the driveway and this big black suv pulled
Speaker 1: right up to her bumper and these two guys got out.
Speaker 1: She said one was well dressed. He had long hair,
Speaker 1: but she said it was really well kept, and the
Speaker 1: other guy had short hair. She said they parked right
Speaker 1: up on her bumper and they were out of their
Speaker 1: vehicle before she even got out. So that made her
Speaker 1: kind of nervous because years ago she had a home invasion.
Speaker 1: A guy had escaped out of jail and held her
Speaker 1: at gunpoint, so that made her very uneasy. Anyway, they
Speaker 1: said they were roofers. They said that they wanted to
Speaker 1: inspect our roof because there had been flood damage in
Speaker 1: the area and we were under a drought warning. We
Speaker 1: were under a no burned ordinance when these guys came.
Speaker 1: And I've never seen a roofer in a black, shiny
Speaker 1: suv in Alabama. If a roofer comes to your house,
Speaker 1: most time they're in an old, beat up truck with
Speaker 1: a ladder on it. But these guys were in a
Speaker 1: very nice suv. She said it was very black and shiny.
Speaker 1: They were really pushy about wanting to get up on
Speaker 1: the roof. Now I had posted some videos on YouTube
Speaker 1: about some of the things we were capturing on the video,
Speaker 1: and I had talked to some kind of astronomy group
Speaker 1: that was over in Huntsville, and you know, the Space
Speaker 1: Command is considering moving to Huntsville, Alabama, which is only
Speaker 1: about seventy miles from here. I've often wondered if they
Speaker 1: were sent to take a look at some of the
Speaker 1: things that we were recording, because some people said, oh,
Speaker 1: those are bugs. Okay, yeah, some were probably bugs, but
Speaker 1: some weren't like anything I'd ever seen, which I still
Speaker 1: have some of the pictures I could show you brange
Speaker 1: of property.
Speaker 3: Now, are you still getting things happen?
Speaker 1: Probably if I actually looked at the cameras, if I
Speaker 1: started looking at them. A lot of times we see
Speaker 1: some really really strange things on the camera. So unless
Speaker 1: it's something like something comes up missing or we hear noises,
Speaker 1: we don't really look at them anymore because it was
Speaker 1: driving us crazy.
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Speaker 3: Let's go back to your childhood experience quite a long
Speaker 3: time ago. Now you've still got quite a clear memory
Speaker 3: of what happened in how.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very profound what I saw, and it
Speaker 1: just kind of burned into myself. What I saw. I've
Speaker 1: never seen anything like it since. I've never seen anything
Speaker 1: that looked like a glowing fire on the ground except
Speaker 1: a glowing fire on the ground. It was such a
Speaker 1: like a brilliant light that once you see something like that, extraordinary,
Speaker 1: I guess is the best word I can come up with.
Speaker 1: It's something I never forget, and sometimes I think it
Speaker 1: was meant for me to see it, so I would
Speaker 1: never forget it. I've tried over the years to just
Speaker 1: ignore what I saw. And when my mother confirmed, you know,
Speaker 1: that that happened, she went into detail more about it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out why it took us so long
Speaker 1: to talk about it. But I've heard, you know, other
Speaker 1: people say sometimes that happens with UFO witnesses, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes that they don't realize till after the fact something happened. Well,
Speaker 1: I remembered it happening at the time, and it just
Speaker 1: always kind of stayed in the back of my mind,
Speaker 1: and I had always meant to bring it up to
Speaker 1: my mother, but I just never did. And when I
Speaker 1: went to Eglin and what happened. After I went to Egland,
Speaker 1: I wanted to find out more about this place that
Speaker 1: I saw, so I got on ready That's how ended
Speaker 1: up on readit and lo and behold, one day I
Speaker 1: saw a picture of site C six because at the
Speaker 1: time I did not know it had an actual name
Speaker 1: to it. And I found the article under what you
Speaker 1: call machine porn and read it and there were these
Speaker 1: two guys talking about the site and this one guy
Speaker 1: said he worked there, So I sent him a private
Speaker 1: message and I asked him if he'd be willing to
Speaker 1: talk to me because I was really intrigued by what
Speaker 1: I saw there. I saved the chat transcripts, which I
Speaker 1: gave Turol's co Heart and News Nation. They saw the
Speaker 1: transcripts that I had with the guy that worked there.
Speaker 1: He said he worked there from nineteen eighty one to
Speaker 1: eighty four. He described the place on the inside, so
Speaker 1: I knew that he was telling the truth, and he
Speaker 1: told me during the Gulf Breeze sightings, side CECI was
Speaker 1: tracking him because he had friends that worked there after
Speaker 1: he left. He said that they had begged him to
Speaker 1: stay there. He said that when they were observing those radars,
Speaker 1: the radar texts, if you fell asleep, he said, the
Speaker 1: gardener coming there and escort you out with weapons. So
Speaker 1: it was very imperative that you stayed awake and watch
Speaker 1: the screens. And that radar is so powerful it contract
Speaker 1: objects twenty two thousand nautical miles into space inside of
Speaker 1: a break fruit, and it contracted thousands of objects at
Speaker 1: one time. And you can actually google this and it'll
Speaker 1: tell you about it. Now Chris Mellan. He has came
Speaker 1: out and said many times about the capabilities of the
Speaker 1: radars we have in the US, but he won't ever
Speaker 1: call SIGHTSEE six by name. I've noticed now what I believe,
Speaker 1: and this is something that came up today on an
Speaker 1: interview I did, is why Chris Mellan won't mention Site
Speaker 1: SEA by name. Well, maybe he signed an NDA where
Speaker 1: he can't. He can only talk about maybe public knowledge
Speaker 1: that they're willing to share with the public, because, like
Speaker 1: I said, you can google Site C six and it'll
Speaker 1: tell you all these capabilities I just told you. But
Speaker 1: what they want to you is that they also track
Speaker 1: you aps, which they have the capabilities to do there,
Speaker 1: and the radar tech that worked there told me that
Speaker 1: they tracked them. He also got into HARP, which I
Speaker 1: don't know much about. HARP. All I know is some
Speaker 1: kind of weather manipulation type of program that the military had.
Speaker 1: Supposedly they gave it over to some civilians to work
Speaker 1: it now, but he knew a lot of the technical
Speaker 1: parts of it and explain to me about a little
Speaker 1: bit about HARP. And he also told me one of
Speaker 1: his friends that work there died, like they told him
Speaker 1: the guy had committed suicide, but he said there was
Speaker 1: never a body like they never had a funeral for him.
Speaker 1: And he worked at the site and he said one
Speaker 1: night when he worked there, they had brought something covered
Speaker 1: on a truck up there to the site. And he
Speaker 1: said they never did that before, and he thought that
Speaker 1: was really odd. But he was getting on up there
Speaker 1: in his years. The only reason he agreed to talk
Speaker 1: to me is because I was military as well. He
Speaker 1: just confirmed just some of the hunches I had about
Speaker 1: the place. A lot of units would put, you know,
Speaker 1: some kind of mission statement like that up on the wall,
Speaker 1: like we monitor all space activity terrestrial and extraterrestrial from
Speaker 1: planet Earth, as like a joke. Well, I kind of
Speaker 1: felt like there was more to that, and I was
Speaker 1: right when he confirmed my suspicions. After talking to him,
Speaker 1: and I saved all the chat in scripts that I
Speaker 1: had with him, and I gave him to Ross Cauthart,
Speaker 1: and I also gave him to Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp.
Speaker 1: I was talking about a lady by the name of
Speaker 1: Amy Escridge, now Amy Escridge. She was working on some
Speaker 1: kind of propulsion system in Huntsville. Now, what's interesting about
Speaker 1: her is after she died, David Brush came forward in
Speaker 1: Huntsville where she was working, and that's where he first
Speaker 1: approached Jeremy Corbel and George Napp because he got nervous.
Speaker 1: I believe she was one of the people that David
Speaker 1: Grush was referring to that was killed trying to keep
Speaker 1: this stuff a secret. And if you look on YouTube
Speaker 1: under Amy Escridge, she made some videos claiming that people
Speaker 1: were trying to kill her. And I believe this is
Speaker 1: what spooked David Grush into coming out and spilling the
Speaker 1: beans and becoming a whistleblower. She's a very interesting person
Speaker 1: and I think her death is what put David Grush
Speaker 1: over the edge to come out and blow the whistle
Speaker 1: on all this stuff. He knows it all originated over
Speaker 1: in Huntsville, and I think it's very interesting also that
Speaker 1: after we had that big UFO flap in the late
Speaker 1: eighties and we had cattle mutilations also, and there's videos
Speaker 1: on YouTube with interviewing people a combination of all these
Speaker 1: articles and interviews that people have given over the years
Speaker 1: about UFOs, and they had the five UFO on there
Speaker 1: had an interview with the police chief and some of
Speaker 1: the police that were the cattle mutilation investigations. Very interesting.
Speaker 1: Five UFO, it's fyffe UFO. How long were you we
Speaker 1: were there? My unit was there for two weeks for
Speaker 1: the Alabama National Guard. That's designated Alabama National Guard Training Site.
Speaker 1: And it's still there. I was down at Eggland back
Speaker 1: in April or wedding. There's still signs saying, you know,
Speaker 1: this way like to the Alabama National Art Training Site.
Speaker 1: So it's still there for all these years.
Speaker 3: And it's a powerful radar they got. So yeah, so
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two thousand norqual miles. So that is about
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand regular miles, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And see that radar extends all the way to
Speaker 1: the Quaduling Atoll in the Pacific Ocean. See, so they
Speaker 1: basically have a three sixty view of the Earth and
Speaker 1: they connect to other radars. And when they're telling people
Speaker 1: that all they have is these grainy photos of these UFOs,
Speaker 1: you know, when they have these UAP hearings, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot. Basically, it's just straight up lock.
Speaker 1: They have very high resolution photos of these craft and
Speaker 1: if they can track an object the size of a
Speaker 1: break for twenty two thousand nautical miles out. You know,
Speaker 1: they've got better photos of UAPs and see that also
Speaker 1: shows you something else that tells you they know from
Speaker 1: where they come from and where they go once they
Speaker 1: get here. See, that's why they don't want to acknowledge this,
Speaker 1: because it opens up a whole other can of worms
Speaker 1: when they acknowledge this fact. Sy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that kind of radius that would probably extend
Speaker 3: out to geostationary orbit quite a way. They probably know about,
Speaker 3: you know, just about every seatellite orbit in the Earth.
Speaker 1: And like I said, they can track thousands of objects
Speaker 1: at once, and if something shows any kind of intelligent control,
Speaker 1: they're going to see it there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure they get a lot of it.
Speaker 3: So the statement you saw in the wall was we
Speaker 3: monitor or space activity terrestrial and extraterrestrial from planet Earth.
Speaker 1: And that's it. That's right. And what's funny. Doctor Stephen
Speaker 1: Grier just came out with a documentary and I got
Speaker 1: invited to one of his conferences a few years ago.
Speaker 1: It was the National Press Club conference he had up
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. And they sent me an email
Speaker 1: asking me if what I saw was ARV I didn't
Speaker 1: know what that was. I was like, what is an ARV.
Speaker 1: I saw UFO, but I don't know what an ARV is.
Speaker 1: It was an alien reproduction vehicle. And I'm glad I
Speaker 1: didn't go because there was a guy there claiming that
Speaker 1: he was in Indonesia and they were dropped off there
Speaker 1: without communication devices, and they were seeing bodies loaded into
Speaker 1: a UFO and it was just a crazy story. And
Speaker 1: the guy claimed to be in the Marines and said, well,
Speaker 1: for one, Marines wouldn't be dropped off on a real
Speaker 1: world mission without a radio, for one, And that would
Speaker 1: never happen. And if it did happen, other Marines that
Speaker 1: were with him would have vouched for his story. I
Speaker 1: have plenty of friends that vouched for the integrity of
Speaker 1: things that I say that I still keep in touch
Speaker 1: with to this day, and they have passed this guy's
Speaker 1: story off as legit. And I'm here to tell you
Speaker 1: it would never happen the way he described it. And
Speaker 1: this guy was basically kicked out of the Marine Corps.
Speaker 1: It went ua, which is unauthorized absence, and he received
Speaker 1: a general under Honorable Circumstances discharge, which means he didn't
Speaker 1: have the option to reenlist. He had to get out
Speaker 1: after his enlistment because of something he did. It was
Speaker 1: a disciplinary issue. And they've tried selling this story to
Speaker 1: the public and you won't find one marine that believes
Speaker 1: that story.
Speaker 3: But you know, you're always going to get people which
Speaker 3: do that, which come forward and flights of fantasy and
Speaker 3: all that, and it kind of sells it really because
Speaker 3: it might is the water a bit from people which
Speaker 3: you know want to come forward exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know what happens when people report those stories
Speaker 1: as legitimate, It destroys their own credibility. Ross Cothart has
Speaker 1: come out telling stories about this guy that claims that
Speaker 1: he can summon UFOs and what happens is he trusts somebody.
Speaker 1: Somebody's telling him a story that he wholeheartedly believes hook
Speaker 1: Line and Sinker, and what they're doing is they're destroying
Speaker 1: his credibility because people are smarter than that they can
Speaker 1: see through these stories. He doesn't realize he's destroying his
Speaker 1: own credibility by reporting these ridiculous stories, but he thinks
Speaker 1: the person he's talking to he can trust. And the
Speaker 1: stories have gotten more ridiculous over the last few months
Speaker 1: than I mean they have been in the past, and
Speaker 1: they keep getting I mean just crazy. Just a lot
Speaker 1: of people have lost interest and stop subscribing to a
Speaker 1: lot of these people because the stories have become so outrageous,
Speaker 1: And that's what the intelligence community wants to happen. They
Speaker 1: want people to lose interest in these stories. And when
Speaker 1: people hear these, you know, outlandish stories like that, they
Speaker 1: start thinking, well, I keep trust this guy. He's telling
Speaker 1: this crazy story, and it's all by design. It keeps
Speaker 1: the subject matter quiet because people stop believing them and
Speaker 1: they wonder, hey, where did my viewership go? Well, you're
Speaker 1: telling stories about some guy that says he can summon
Speaker 1: UFOs and one that claims that alien bodies or human
Speaker 1: bodies were loaded into a UFO. My question was, if
Speaker 1: you were down in the jungle and you see a
Speaker 1: UFO and a clearing, the helicopter that comes and picks
Speaker 1: you up is going to be able to see that
Speaker 1: UFO from the air? Correct? That's the problem I have
Speaker 1: with that story too. And what if somebody gets wounded
Speaker 1: out there? How are you going to call for them
Speaker 1: to be picked up? If you were dropped off with
Speaker 1: no communications whatsoever. As the story goes what if you
Speaker 1: have to leave the area early. There's so many things
Speaker 1: that could happen. And that's also against Marine Corps field doctrine.
Speaker 1: And you can't get one guy that served with him
Speaker 1: to back that story. That's especially with Marines.
Speaker 3: I think, you know when they put a call light
Speaker 3: for whistledlows and that it basically brings a whole crowd out.
Speaker 1: I spoke with Ross. You know, he interviewed me and
Speaker 1: at the end he said, I don't believe you saw
Speaker 1: a thing, and I thought, well, I just filled my
Speaker 1: guts to this guy. And you know, it was my
Speaker 1: first big interview, and you know, it wasn't a podcast interview,
Speaker 1: it was national news, and I think he kind of
Speaker 1: failed to realize how nervous I was talking about it.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure my nervousness came out in that interview
Speaker 1: because it was the first time I'd ever talked about it,
Speaker 1: especially nationally, and you know, it took a while they
Speaker 1: were trying to get lighting right, and it was just
Speaker 1: very off putting to me. What I was going to
Speaker 1: do was tell Ross my story and be done. He
Speaker 1: kept interrupting what I was trying to tell and it
Speaker 1: was just it didn't go like what I thought it was. So,
Speaker 1: you know, now more just comfortable talking about it on
Speaker 1: podcasts because I can relax more, the interview's not rushed.
Speaker 1: I just feel like people hear me out more and
Speaker 1: better on podcasts than what he was doing. And and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie. I mean, it hurt a
Speaker 1: little bit because he has, in my opinion, aired some
Speaker 1: ridiculous stories, especially lately, and I think he'll air that,
Speaker 1: but he won't air what I told him. So I
Speaker 1: think it all really came down to how nervous I was.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't ratings material. What he wanted to
Speaker 1: know was if I saw uf on Eglin. That was
Speaker 1: what he kept asking. I was like, no, I didn't
Speaker 1: see one. When night there was something blind around and
Speaker 1: they wanted us come inside because they didn't want us
Speaker 1: to see whatever it was. But I told him, I
Speaker 1: said I couldn't see it. That wasn't what the main
Speaker 1: thing I was trying to get across to him. What
Speaker 1: I was trying, you know, mainly to make him understand
Speaker 1: was the capabilities they have at Egglin and what they're
Speaker 1: doing there and all these grainy photos that they show
Speaker 1: when they have these UAP hearings, they said, oh, this
Speaker 1: is this is all we captured, you know, by the cockpit.
Speaker 1: You know, they'll show cockpit pictures, you know, these grainy
Speaker 1: photos and things, which I'm surprised they admit to that much.
Speaker 1: I know that they have the capabilities to have better
Speaker 1: resolution pictures that they have. Chris Millan talks about it
Speaker 1: all the time, but he won't mention Sight C six
Speaker 1: on Egglin by name. That He'll pretty much tell you
Speaker 1: the capabilities that our radars have, but he always stopped
Speaker 1: short of saying Sight C six specifically.
Speaker 3: When it comes to the grainy stuff. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: they're not really going to release any good, juicy stuff
Speaker 3: to the public. You know, it's just it's just a
Speaker 3: reality of it.
Speaker 1: They would have to answer a lot more questions if
Speaker 1: they did exactly.
Speaker 3: As far as the capabilities of some of these sites,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure there's sites around the US, probably
Speaker 3: around the world that are very high advanced Egglin C six,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's pretty well knowniced. I absolutely believe
Speaker 3: they're already monitoring the skies things from outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I'll talk now, maybe once a month
Speaker 1: or something like that. I tried to contact Jeremy Corbel too,
Speaker 1: and the only email I got back was, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: your story is a little piece of the puzzle. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you know, I'm telling you here that
Speaker 1: they have these capabilities, you know, and they're telling the
Speaker 1: American public they don't. This new whistleblower, this brown guy
Speaker 1: that Corbell interviewed, he came out and he was talking
Speaker 1: about they have the capabilities to monitor these things and
Speaker 1: that God exists. And they did a two hour segment
Speaker 1: and all I got out of that two hour segment
Speaker 1: was that they have the capabilities to monitor UFOs and
Speaker 1: that Seanka Patrick Lotte. It took them two episodes to
Speaker 1: say those two things.
Speaker 3: Does not surprise me. So when did you know you'd
Speaker 3: have this very early experience. Did you have much of
Speaker 3: an interest in the subject in UFOs and.
Speaker 1: That not really?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I always when I was growing up, you know, I
Speaker 1: was too busy playing sports. I was in the boy Scouts,
Speaker 1: you know, doing things like that. I was never interested
Speaker 1: in UFOs at all. I always thought that basically, I
Speaker 1: always thought that, you know, people that claimed all this
Speaker 1: stuff were crazy. That's what I always, you know, felt
Speaker 1: like and then I started, you know, having some memories about,
Speaker 1: you know, what happened to me when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and thought, well, maybe they're not so crazy. And when
Speaker 1: my mother verified it. My sister was with us too,
Speaker 1: but she was way too young to remember it. She
Speaker 1: was only like a year or two old when it happened.
Speaker 1: And some of the things that have been seen over
Speaker 1: the years, like the big UFO flap we had here
Speaker 1: in the late eighties and calmulations we had in the area,
Speaker 1: those are just things you can't ignore.
Speaker 3: So when did you start thinking that maybe the experience
Speaker 3: you had in seventy seven, seventy eight, it was maybe
Speaker 3: maybe could be related to the subject.
Speaker 1: When I started being aggravated by the subject, like when
Speaker 1: we started seeing things on the cameras, things in the yard,
Speaker 1: just things that would not let it go, Like it
Speaker 1: was like it was saying, Hey, pay attention to me,
Speaker 1: you know, pay attention. It just got to the point
Speaker 1: I couldn't ignore it anymore, and so I started going
Speaker 1: over things you know, that I saw personally as a kid,
Speaker 1: that my family experienced as well. So multiple people in
Speaker 1: my family experienced it, Multiple people here in my city
Speaker 1: and county experienced things. And then what I saw at
Speaker 1: egg Line, and that puting on the cake for me
Speaker 1: that hey, the government knows these things are here, so
Speaker 1: why the cover up? You know, why do they not
Speaker 1: want people to know about it? I have a good
Speaker 1: idea of why they don't want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: and I think it's because these things aren't good. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they're taking people's cattle and there's people that came
Speaker 1: forward and said they were abducted, that's not something that
Speaker 1: you would want to share with the public to make
Speaker 1: them feel safe. Their job is to make us feel safe.
Speaker 1: And if they came out and admitted all this stuff,
Speaker 1: it's true, it would it would cause panic. I mean,
Speaker 1: the more I've learned about it, the more I understand
Speaker 1: why they want to keep it quiet. But I would
Speaker 1: just like to know, just for the sake of knowing,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, what is it? So I can quit
Speaker 1: wondering about it. That's why I say a lot of
Speaker 1: times I wished I hadn't seen anything.
Speaker 3: And when you spoke to your mother about it, and
Speaker 3: she and said to you that she described something landing
Speaker 3: with free legs and a round, well.
Speaker 1: It shocked me when she mentioned all that stuff and
Speaker 1: she drew it out. I mean it didn't take her
Speaker 1: a few seconds, and she drove it like she drew
Speaker 1: it and like she just saw it a second ago.
Speaker 1: And I can understand why she drew it so fast,
Speaker 1: because what I saw was so profound myself that I'll
Speaker 1: never forget it as young as I was. You know,
Speaker 1: there's some things that are traumatic when you see and
Speaker 1: when you're a kid that you'll never forget. That just
Speaker 1: kind of and I think when you when you experience
Speaker 1: things as a child, they stay with you longer anyway.
Speaker 1: You know, you could when you grow up to be
Speaker 1: an adult. A lot of times you forget what she
Speaker 1: did yesterday. When you're a kid, when you see something
Speaker 1: that's really extraordinary, you don't never forget that. You need
Speaker 1: like traumatic experience you have as a child, I mean,
Speaker 1: it stays with you for life. And that's one of
Speaker 1: those experiences that stay with me. It's something that I've
Speaker 1: talked to my son about it. I don't really talk
Speaker 1: about it around him very much because I don't want
Speaker 1: to freak him out about it. The only people really
Speaker 1: that I have in depth conversations with is people that
Speaker 1: have experienced these things, like you know, my mother. My
Speaker 1: mother and I we've since kind of drifted apart. Sadly enough,
Speaker 1: we don't speak very much anymore, but we have this
Speaker 1: experience that will bond us forever together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can get
Speaker 3: that get that back on track again. You've never ever
Speaker 3: mentioned anything which happened prior to the experience in whome.
Speaker 1: What happened was me and my fiance had talked about.
Speaker 1: We just happened to mention our experiences with each other.
Speaker 1: Her daughters never ever have talked about what they saw together,
Speaker 1: but me and my fiance shared our own experiences together,
Speaker 1: so we have a bond. We've had sightings together. We
Speaker 1: saw something a few months back going down the main
Speaker 1: street of town that blew us away. We pulled over
Speaker 1: on the side of the road. There were these thousands
Speaker 1: of objects in the sky. They were swirling around. They
Speaker 1: looked silver in color. They looked like kind of like
Speaker 1: the wind bow. They looked like a flock of birds,
Speaker 1: but they were really high in the sky. They weren't birds,
Speaker 1: but we saw them go straight up. We saw them
Speaker 1: swirl around and then they split in two. But when
Speaker 1: they split in two, they swore around on the ends.
Speaker 1: Then they joined back together, and then they shot right
Speaker 1: back up out of the sky. We pulled over. I
Speaker 1: got video of it. I got a steel picture that
Speaker 1: shows like six or seven things in the still. They
Speaker 1: look white, and I couldn't really get them a good
Speaker 1: picture of them. We couldn't believe nobody else was seeing
Speaker 1: them because we just sat there with our mouth open.
Speaker 1: It was broad daylight. There was hardly a cloud in
Speaker 1: the sky when we saw it. And I've seen videos
Speaker 1: over the internet where these things have been spotted in
Speaker 1: like Ohio. I saw one and then over in I
Speaker 1: think it was Florida, and people are like, what is this?
Speaker 1: And it was the same thing we saw, except ours
Speaker 1: were more together. They looked they moved like a flock
Speaker 1: of birds move almost. But we One night, I was
Speaker 1: out on my back porch with the night vision. I
Speaker 1: have night vision, and this was when they were having
Speaker 1: all the drone sightings. Here something that looked like a
Speaker 1: drawn It flew over the house and it hovered below
Speaker 1: this house next to mine, and I put the night
Speaker 1: vision on it, and this red beam shot past us
Speaker 1: and it made us both jump when it did it,
Speaker 1: and a few nights after that. It was about two
Speaker 1: thirty three o'clock in the morning. I heard this buzzing
Speaker 1: sound and I looked out the blinds and there was
Speaker 1: something hovering over at my fence line. And I was
Speaker 1: just tired. I didn't care what it was that I
Speaker 1: could tell us over and over the fence right there
Speaker 1: because it was loud enough. It woke me up and
Speaker 1: I just went back to bed. There are so many
Speaker 1: things like that that if you're looking for it, you'll
Speaker 1: find it, and I just got tired of looking for it.
Speaker 3: So what made you want to come out and share
Speaker 3: your account with us?
Speaker 1: Because I know the stories that the government is telling people,
Speaker 1: like when they had these UAP hearings and they play
Speaker 1: dumk that that's not the truth. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: know the capabilities of what they can do at Eglin,
Speaker 1: you can put two and two together and you know
Speaker 1: that they're not telling the truth. And the big question
Speaker 1: is why, And you know that it's real. What real is?
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a big question. What is this
Speaker 1: real thing? How much do they know? But I do
Speaker 1: know enough to know that they have a lot of knowledge.
Speaker 1: If that radar facility at Eglin's been there since I
Speaker 1: think nineteen sixty five, so it's been there a long time.
Speaker 1: It barned once and they rebuilt it. I think people
Speaker 1: have a right to know that the government knows a
Speaker 1: lot more than what they're willing to admit to. And
Speaker 1: if you know where to look, you know where to
Speaker 1: start asking questions.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people have a little piece
Speaker 3: of a puzzle. Do you believe that the government are
Speaker 3: going to be the ones that release stuff or do
Speaker 3: you think is going to come from people just sharing storm.
Speaker 1: From a normal person if it comes out? Because what
Speaker 1: what people don't understand why Egglin is so important, Because
Speaker 1: if you realize they can do that, you know that
Speaker 1: they know where they come from and where they go
Speaker 1: once they get here. I'll give you an example. Lonnie
Speaker 1: is the more you've ever heard of Lonnie is the
Speaker 1: more the policeman. Ye. Yeah, this core of anciding. There
Speaker 1: were government people that showed up at that site before
Speaker 1: he called anybody. And what I understand, government people, military
Speaker 1: people showed up there where he had that incident before
Speaker 1: he even called for backup. That's one reason I think
Speaker 1: it goes back that far that they've been tracking on
Speaker 1: that far back. They that's why they know when something
Speaker 1: goes down, that's why they are able to scramble people
Speaker 1: so quickly to get them. You know, David Grush come
Speaker 1: out and said that these things that they had, several
Speaker 1: of them craft that is and if they can track
Speaker 1: objects like that, then they know when they crash, they
Speaker 1: know where to go get them. And it really makes
Speaker 1: sense of how they get to places so quickly. That's
Speaker 1: why Egglin's important. I've had some really over the top
Speaker 1: criticisms and people sending me ugly message. I could show
Speaker 1: you some very ugly messages I've gotten on Reddit talking
Speaker 1: about this stuff. I mean timber Chet, congressman from Tennessee,
Speaker 1: you know, he likes to say when you're over the target,
Speaker 1: that's when they start shooting at you. And I believe
Speaker 1: I'm close to the truth that they don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about because I've just gotten some really over the
Speaker 1: top criticism just by saying that they track UFOs from
Speaker 1: Egland C six. I mean, if there's nothing to that,
Speaker 1: why criticize me so harshly? You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But then again, you're all singing at people which say, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I did spend a little bit of time there, you know,
Speaker 3: and this is what I witnessed, this is what I heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people that have talked to me
Speaker 1: that were stationed on England say they've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of crazy things there. Now, I never really saw any
Speaker 1: crazy things there except for the radar side. I try
Speaker 1: to be as honest as I can, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't try to inflate my story or exaggerated or anything.
Speaker 1: I just try to say, hey, this is what I saw,
Speaker 1: this is what I believe. And that's after me being
Speaker 1: a military policeman for ten years. And I do have
Speaker 1: a bachelor's degree in criminal justice with a minor in psychology,
Speaker 1: so you know, I do know a little bit about
Speaker 1: you know, investigative work and trying to find out the
Speaker 1: answers to things. This place just really got my attention.
Speaker 1: But had I not experienced what I did when I
Speaker 1: was in Georgia when I was, I would have never
Speaker 1: gave sat C six a second thought. I'd have just
Speaker 1: been like, oh, this is a cool place, and I'd
Speaker 1: have never dug any deeper. I would have never tried
Speaker 1: to find out more about the place and say that's
Speaker 1: what I was trying to tell ralse I could not
Speaker 1: tell one story without telling the other. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They were just one contributed to the other.
Speaker 3: Well, of course, I mean their experiences that have happened
Speaker 3: to you. Very often the case. I've had hundreds of
Speaker 3: guests on here over the years, and you know, they
Speaker 3: come on really just to say one story which happened
Speaker 3: maybe a few years ago. But then they started the
Speaker 3: beginning they say, well, this is something which happened to
Speaker 3: me and my mother when I was a kid, and
Speaker 3: then this happened all these ever strange occurrences and experiences,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's still part of the puzzle really.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, it was good speaking with you man, Bill.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you coming on and sharing all that
Speaker 3: for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Are you welcome?
Speaker 3: It was great meeting you tonight. Okay, take care of yourself.
Speaker 1: All right, have a good day, man. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Well, that is all for this episode. Keep updated and
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Speaker 3: if you have an encounter that you'd like to share
Speaker 3: on the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles
Speaker 3: at gmail dot com, or you can reach out to
Speaker 3: me via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles
Speaker 3: podcast dot com. A big thank you to Bill for
Speaker 3: sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I will
Speaker 3: be back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep
Speaker 3: watching the skies. Goodbye to
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