Speaker 1: All right, all right, welcome to sixty agenda. How are
we doing today? Happy Friday. I'm very excited today I
got my very very interesting, awesome guest, Nathaniel Gillis. Uh yeah, no,
I barely even know how to give you an intro.
Speaker 2: I almost just threw you in and just let's go.
We don't need let's just start talking because I was
just so excited.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I got a very exciting conversation ready
for you.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: We're to do a quick deep dive hours so and
we're gonna get into the phenomenon necronotics necronetics rather and
Nathaniel Gillis is here to let us know about it all.
Speaker 3: Welcome in, brother, Thank you Boddy. It's good to be
here and to make new connections. And we've got a
lot to cover, man, So I'm excited absolutely.
Speaker 1: So let me know where they can find you. I
know you have a website full of your research. Definitely
let them know about that. It's pretty cool. I browsed
that yesterday, so it's awesome.
Speaker 3: Thanks buddy. Well, as you guys have already deduced, my
namee Nathaniel Gillis, you can find me on my website.
Paris Imposia. That's my platform. I do weekly videos with
my community and you can follow me. I'm on x
now and I don't know if I like it, but
I'm back on. You can follow me on there, and
you can also follow me on Instagram under my same name,
Nathaniel Gillis Beautiful Perfect.
Speaker 1: I've got a little issue with my audio. Apparently somebody
told me down in the chat. We've got some people
in the chat. Welcome in everybody. Do I sound good
to you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man's good to me.
Speaker 1: Somebody in my last show, I was just in a
show with somebody and the chat was like, you're really low.
So I turned it up and I bet you that's
what it is. I'm probably blaring for that person, right awesome. Yeah,
so yeah, we've got you know, Necronetics is something I've
kind of heard you mentioned.
Speaker 2: I know that you coined the term. Uh.
Speaker 1: It seems like a phenomenon that it's all encompassing when
it comes to the paranormal, the demonic, uh we maybe
even say elementals.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, so it seems to be this uh you know,
perpetuating thing for since antiquity. I would almost say, so,
what's the you on that and also explain what acronotics
and econetic netics is.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: So years and years ago, when I was doing eachy
by research, I started hav these cases where women were
being accosted by entities and the entity would just show
up at the same time of the year, in the
same week, usually like this one specific case I had
a like usually like in October, the second week of
October every year. It was wild. But I got to
the research and I realized that there seems to be
some kind of necromantic species that is perpetuating its own
existence to humanity. And that's why, Like when I was
on Danny Jones and I said that that species would demonize.
I wasn't saying that they may not be demonic or anything,
but I was trying to articulate. Was like, what are they?
My father's finish story of Amino was going in two
homes within an hour of these beings manifesting, and he
was collecting secretions left by the beings. In addition to that,
these beings were combining their secretions with sigils, and so
once I started looking at those case studies, I mean,
they're everywhere in the literature, at least in demonology, and
I kind of asked myself, Okay, if I do buy
into the Nephalie hypothesis, and if I do buy in
to the idea that they're actually disembodied right spirits or
you know, discarnate entities, then we have a problem with
the way we're approaching the ecubus. He has a body,
he's not incorporeal. It is something or someone that seems
to be trying to replicate perhaps what is within it.
So later on I got into Peter J. Carroll's work
The Red Right, which it's from the left hand Path,
but he gets to this idea of creating a love
bond with a woman and pregnating her with a fetus
and then commandeering that as your avatar. And so within
that framework, I came to the conclusion, at least it's
a theory I'm presenting as a theory obviously, that the
incubus is kind of a hybrid.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: He's on the line, right, the knife's edge of being
a demon or demon.
Speaker 1: Well, incubus is a male rhemonic energy versus succubus, which
is female correct.
Speaker 3: Correct correct, And there have been arguments throughout history regarding
you know, is it one entity that appears as a
male and then appears as female. No. Right, again, we're
dealing with something that was leaving secretions, and some people
like Montguseummers and even some Stratamino theorized number one that
it looked like that these secretions came from a recently
deceased person. And so you see here it's it's really
dark stuff. It's really dark magic is with you that
they're performing, and they appear to be, at least in
my mind, a species of practitioners that was kind of
confused by their early demonologists and they thought that's what
I mean when I said they're demonized. It's like, well,
wait a minute, it doesn't seem like a discard of
spirit that has a body. It's corporeal. And so that's
kind of that where necronetics emerged. And then we have
the idea of projecting your consciousness into the fetus is
what they're doing, at least in my theory, so it's
kind of stimpified. That's where necronetics started. And then I
kind of realized that that a lot of these beings
were manifesting two women in the images of their husbands,
and so then I got into this this kind of
research where I'm looking at the interface events and how
that happens, where it's possible that the observer effect is
triggered and they're looking into the eyes of the experience
or taking on literally pulling the mask over their own face.
I'm someone you love, I'm someone you trust, and it
seems to be this is what it's crazy. But it
seems like Peter J. Carroll, without even understanding and doing
incuby research as an occultist, came to the same conclusion.
And so then within history you have this idea of
possession being pregnancy for them. That's not one or the other,
it's the same. And then I got into the DBUUK
research in Softy Israel, which is you know modern suppias
roll now, where you had possessions and pregnancies taking place
in the same body at the same time.
Speaker 2: A d book.
Speaker 1: Is that That's what George Soro said, he has yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wexter Man yeah, And that was what was
so alarming to me. I mean, you know, it's like, Okay,
something's living in you, it's trying to perpetuate and replicated
some existence. So then I got into this, this this
research dealing with interfaces and how the phenomenon will weaponize
our perceptions against us against that other where like when
we make eye contact with these entities, it's almost like
they comment your our consciousness to the point where we
cannot trust anything we're witnessing with our eyes. And I'm
a gonosta stress that for about But it's gonna be
watching this in the future. That's watching it now. See
what we see maybe the least actionable data we have
in interpreting this thing. Okay, there's one of I just
watched Emily Trim, which is one of the Aerial School
witnesses back in uh John MAXs research and John Mack
went there and to the school and investigated the case,
and he'd worked with this individual. This is this females woman. Well,
they asked her at one of the conferences. She was
real sheepish about us, but they said, okay, when these
beings manifested to you, what did they look like? She said, well,
it's weird, she goes, because they can control your perception
of them. And she said that when she first saw
one of these creatures. By the way, this is not necronetics,
but it still has to deal with the interface events
right now, the phenomenon manipulates our perception anyway she goes,
you know, she because I thought it's a gray alien.
It was some kind of gray and as it's approaching me,
its face is changing from a lion to a gray
just fluctuating. And my point as of late is we
know that it's not a lion, right, it's not a
bipedal lion with little, you know, little skinny legs. But
my point though is if they committee manipulate our perception
of believing it's a lion and it's not a lion,
then how do we really know what's great? Something might
be there right, but it might also be weaponizing our
perception against us to where it's literally putting on a mask.
And that's the problem, Like we don't like, we don't
know what we're witnessing anymore. And if the phenomenon can
hide behind that so often and so meticulously, then then
we have a problem in our phenomenology and especially how
we approach us. I mean, how many times we heard
people will lie so I know what I saw. No,
that's probably the least of what we know right now. Unfortunately,
so are.
Speaker 1: You familiar with the Theosophical Society Alice Bailey and her
externalization in the hierarchy. She describes Sanat Kamara, who is
in a send and master from the White Brotherhood that like,
essentially she describes plasma in a weird way, like when
she describes the veil and she describes the astral realm
that she says is merging with the material realm in
this new age. Right, it seems very similar to that.
And what it seems that you're alluding to is that
this phenomenon, when you actually scientifically break it down, not
just perceptually, right, it is kind of manifesting in this
plasma sentient plasma in a way.
Speaker 2: Is that correctly?
Speaker 3: So? Yeah, externalization about the hierarchy dealing with plasma. Our
ancestors would call it ball lightning, like when in the
old uss R parapsychological research, they would call it ball lighting.
They had no concept of an ORB or anything. The
term ORB comes from parapsychology, but it's not ball lightning.
Like our own government in the US tried to replicate
that particular phenomenon right where they were trying to use
layer lasers whether rather to kind of project orbs. The
problem is whatever we're dealing with and this gets really
weird creepy, like they can actually project apparitions. They can
like I remember doctor Lynch telling me years ago where
he had a case where a man was picked up
all of his feet by an and a hand was
like a handprint was around his neck. So, but the
problem is we're dealing with these orbs is there's a
lot of people in the field that kind of look
at like two or three of the characteristics, right data
points regarding these things, and they kind of build an
entire theory like that, like, oh, their gin because their
smokes fire. It's like, well, gin can replicate, right, Like
what's going on there? So I don't know what they are.
I do believe that some of them are projecting consciousness
and went through down on Danny Jones Show right where
USSR per psychological proas psychological research. They're projecting their consciousness
creating a bio field electromagnetic cloud that was scientific scientifically
measured and witnessed, and in the midst of that cloud
there were orbs. So that's where I'm at with it.
But then again, we're dealing with consciousness and that's what
I believe is happening where like it kind of reframes possession.
What is possession exactly? You know, because like early out
of my research, I was doing this investigations and stuff.
I did one investigation whereas a murder took place and
the actual the suspect was possessed. It was a female,
but she had a male guttural voice coming out of
her mouth. She wasn't moving her mouth, but it was
just coming out of her mouth. But I was doing
investigations like that, and then kind of comparing and contrasting
what I was documenting with what I was researching in literature,
and I realized, like, sometimes I think we get possession.
I mean, it's evil, don't get me wrong, But I
think there's a lot more going on than just horns
and hooks. It's way more going on there. But that's
where I'm at.
Speaker 2: You describe something that sounded like voice to skull technology.
Almost sorry, my son ran down here.
Speaker 1: You describe something that sounded like a voice to skull
technology that kind of came from them, And I almost
wonder if they're replicating some of what these deities you know,
or entities can almost do with technology in a way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've tried to do that. I would recommend Nick
Redfern's book The Renalship Conspiracy. But you know, again, like
you said, it's like the phenomenon does exist, but how
much of it is being propped up and manifested by
our own federal government in order to control our perspective
and our pursuit.
Speaker 1: Dude, I love that you're saying that, because I you know,
when the drones were in the air, it was like,
how much of this is being pro It's just I
liken it to this the analogy. I'n't given it on
my show, and this is one reason why I really
wanted to talk to you.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought this up.
Speaker 1: Like the Mayans, you know, back in the day, they
understood astrology, so they would use the eclipses against people
to get them to sacrifice, et cetera. Right, It's kind
of similar in a weird way, where they're creating this
mythology and they're proving it with the manipulation of science
or plasma, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, and I think they've here's the scary thing, man, Like,
we don't know what they're capable of at this point.
You know, I mean agree, I think if we if
we were briefed in and we understood what technology they're
in possess than how they'd weaponize it against us, I
think it would terrify us. You know, we would lose
sleep every night over it. But there are certain things
that that the phenomenon does that you know, we just
do not understand. I mean, I know that goes without saying,
but literally people like to put this stuff in a
box and say, well, they can only do A, B
and C, and it's not true. And so even in
my own like my own research, I had to come
to a point where, like I had to abandon some
of the dog but not like the Christian job or anything,
but like what I grew up hearing about this stuff,
Like my dad always tells me, well, they can't come
into my house because I have a threshold covenant. It's
like no, right, they're playing by different rules because they're
playing a different game entirely. And so that's why when
I got into parapsychology, started working with my colleague Steve Mihra,
it really took me for a while ride because it
was like, Okay, what can they not do? Let's start there,
and that's really where I'm at. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, it's funny because I was talking
to somebody and he mentioned how it says there's familiar
spirits like in the Bible, like they did talk about
this stuff where they could present themselves as a family member.
Speaker 2: So there's all kinds of things that they can do.
Speaker 1: I mean, as you've seen with your your you know,
stories from people. But it's pretty wild that it seems
that they've almost been enough that this takes me back
to my studies with the Nazis and real energy and
how they were doing rituals in the castle and they
were trying to get you know, channel information, and it
seems that you know, they may have gotten the you
know UFO technology out of that anti cre vidigol free
energy type technology. And then after that, of course we
know about paper clips. So it seems that we've almost
continued that and now we're looking at what might be
the perfection of what we could call real energy, which
might be what this phenomenon is just on its face.
Speaker 3: Yes, there that's another conversation that I've been having with
people in the field. It's like, well, you know, there's
this idea well, people, you've heard that, right, Well, what
are these things? Okay, what does a demon need a spaceship?
And it's like, well, why would an alien need an altar?
They don't. Again, it's like the entire field doesn't want
to acknowledge that fact. Now I'm not saying that we're
negetting the point that, okay, we have nuts in both spacecraft,
but a lot of people just don't understand what these
beings and the phenomenon is capable of doing. Look at
James Lakatski's book Future Visions. He's talking literally he has
to clarify with people because they just don't know. And
he's going down the list of the manifestations of the
sky and he says, okay, you have you have solid
objects and you have solid looking objects. Well, aren't those
the same? No, they're not. Whatever we're dealing with can
create physiological constructs to where to the naked eye it
appears to be solid and metallic, but it's not. It's
something else entirely. John Keel tried to articulate this to
the best of his ability, and the Trojan Horse in
other books of his And it seems like in the
field you have people studying UFOs and you have people
studying the actual phenomenon in what La CAATs can even
call them color he have done, thank goodness, is they've
approached this from parapsychology, not from you, not from euthology,
and in doing so, they bridge the gap between two
fields of research. And nobody's talking about this. You know,
it's like, well, they're all aliens. It's like, well, time out.
I'm not negating that aliens exist, right, they may exist
out there. It's a lawful People say this all the time,
and I agree, it's a lot of wasted space. The
problem is is that we have what's called a hitchhiker effect,
and in reality it's an attachment. But what uthology is
trying to do, and those who are in power behind
that movement, they're trying to reframe malevolent hauntings and kind
of astro turf all of it. And then oh, well,
it's just it's all euthology. No, it's not. What scares
me because of this is that if we're going to
negate the presence of elevel of hauntings, we're going to
ignore hundreds, if not thousands of years of behavioral patterns.
And because of it. It's like, Okay, now they're going
to repackage it. It's not an attachment. Sure you may
be going through a levnal haunting, right, but it's a
hitchhiker effect. But what happens with Katski and clm keller
Hur's work again? Now, James Leakatski was the leader of
all SAP, they had a ball SAP and then Calm
keller her was the leading scientists for the National Institute
of Discovery Science skin Walk a ranch. Anyways, what both
of them said was, look, we originally thought we were
studying ufology. Now, okay, everybody that'synting I'm watching, think about this. Okay,
think about it. If somebody else said this, what would
you think about it? Right, Because we've heard this throughout
the field for hundreds of years. We thought we were
studying nuts and bolts extra terrestrials. And then out of nowhere,
researchers from skin Walker, from the Lawrence Livermore app Laboratory
are going home and are being malevolantly, malevolently haunted. I
don't want to get to demonetized, your buddy.
Speaker 2: Hey, I go dangerousers.
Speaker 3: Let's get down here, man. This is this is crazy,
but people have to hear this. They were being haunted
by apparitions of dead children in their homes and people
in the field are going aliens. It's just aliens. Nothing
to see here. And my problem with that is, again,
that is an entirely different field of research. But what
these again, they're phenomenologists. What they've done is they've they've finally,
through the scientific method and through anecdotal evidence, i should say,
stories and experiencers, they've bridged a gap that we were
told never existed. And people dare say they have the
gall to suggest this is love and light. It's all
love and light. And what I'm realizing now and it's
so fascinating because I mentioned this on X and again,
I'm not attacking anybody. I'm just pulling out cases and
kind of zooming in and saying, okay, what is that.
You got people like Matthew Roberts, who was a UAP witness. Okay,
he goes back to his base and he's meeting with
his other co pilots and everything, and they're like, my god,
what was that. He's like, I have no idea. But
he goes home. This is fascinating to me, and he
literally says that he was visited in the night by
a succubus. Now you see both fields coming in line.
And my question to youupology as a whole, is what
part of that research of that model, even the hitchhiker effect,
what part of the hitchhiker effect includes being initiated? Is
what she told him by a succubus encounter? What is that?
Because that again, even the term initiated, it sounds a
lot like you're being initiated into a mystery school, right.
So what we're realizing in real time now is it's
almost like the extraterrestrial hypothesis is just I'm just kind
of like a psio to occuscate the true nature of
the phenomenon. And I'm gonna finish with this real quick.
You could kind of summarize my point. Who's to say
that the real phenomenon is not what goes home with
you after you see the craft. Maybe that's what it is.
It's not just okay, it's an object of this guy. No, no, no, no,
it's when you observe it, when you collapse it by
connecting your consciousness to it. And then now like it's
like it's pathology like a pathogen. Now it mutates, it
follows you home. I'm of the of the conviction now
at least that I think that's the real phenomenon, that's
the real intention of this thing is to get us
to observe what's in the skies. We can actually come
home with us.
Speaker 1: So give over your conscious energy to it, because then,
of course, like a demonic possession, you're now opening yourself
up to being let's say, affected by this spirit now
a little bit more than you were before, because now
you're believing in UFOs.
Speaker 2: You're saying, oh, look, I believe it.
Speaker 1: Right, So there's somebody speaking of that shut out bunkie
right on seven of my friends and I seen two
or three story tall black triangle UFOs in the middle
of town, only a few hundred feet above ground, or
reports of anybody trying to see how that could be
possible or man Nathan is And you know, I mean,
I do think there's a lot of bedrooll black ops
government activity.
Speaker 2: I think probably ninety nine percent of it is that.
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, the phenomenon that was
talked about being elementals before, you know, back in the past.
You know, an ancient antiquity time. If you look at people,
I mean, there's similar stories to what people describe as
the Grays, like abductmm, it's just more metallic and high tech.
So there's a slight difference as you I think, as
you've said, where people will believe it more if it's
kind of like geared towards their time, kind of like
the Bibles kind of geared towards people's time of like
you know, harvesting and tilling, and these are parables about
what people know. Well, it seems that these demonic energies
present themselves with what you would know the same way,
in the same way.
Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly where they kind of go through the
archive of imagery that we have as a species individually
and pluck out an image, stretch it over their face,
and then kind of interact with us. But whatever we're
dealing with is highly highly manipulative. And the reason I
get what the government did again they're like, well, this
is the idea is that we're trying to document and
express its ability to be fluid, right, and it's the
transmissibility of the parable pathogen is what they were trying
to give us. But again that's not euthology. That's hauntings.
That's my level of hauntings. We first, okay, I mean
we have doctor Barry TAFs case the San Pedro haunting.
We've got Virginia Ramirez. And again people don't understand this.
This is something that John Ke was trying to say.
But this intelligence has the ability to make something looked
looks like again physical nuts and bolts. Virginia Ramirez witnessed
her own daughter walking around in her home called out
to her, Okay. She went into her room and said, okay, whatever, whatever,
baby whatever. Two hours later, her daughter gets home from work,
her real daughter. And when they're investigating this, and they're
they're asking Virginia like, you know, are you sure that
what you should? No, no, it was not. It wasn't
like an aperition in the context of like it was
a see through right or translucent. No. She's like, no,
it look like my daughter.
Speaker 2: It looked flesh and bone.
Speaker 3: Right, the aparitional quality. Though again that's a spectrum of course,
but the phenomenon just like okay, hauntings, for instance, the
phenomenon can create physiological constructs in the house sometimes and
most of the time projected by orbs now I mentioned
this is the Danny Jones interview, where you know, altitude
does not diminish its ability their ability to project images.
And in one thing that Lakatski said and even called
Kelliherne mentioned this in this article was where these people
like a part of the Hitchhicker effect was literal UFOs
manifesting in their homes. So if you kind of it's
almost like we need to invert the field. We have
UFO UFOs and homes and hauntings in the sky. It
seems to be and I know people are going to
kind of frown on this, but it really is true.
It seems to be. It's it's it is John Keell's
super spectrum. But it seems to be a singular origin
at least of the paranormal. I'm not saying it's God right,
I'm just saying that whatever that darkness is.
Speaker 1: Like arconic, the arconic demiurgic force.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that, you know, I want to know.
Speaker 1: So actually it's so funny, you know, uh, let me
go ahead and pop this out. Somebody was saying, how
you were just talking about right after the UFO then
you started talking about aperitions inside of a home. Well,
Funky wanted to add on to their story that after
they got home, you know, from that UFO situation with
the Black Triangle, the Exorcist was on TV.
Speaker 2: So it was very similar to that. Everybody exactly synchronicity.
Speaker 1: So I do want to get your idea of the
gnostic like how that fits in here with the Dark
City and everything else, because a lot of people in
here did see my Biblical Hitman episode I did, which
was last week, and you know, I was a little harsh,
I think whenever it came to what I was getting
from you on Danny Jones, we talked on the phone
and I got a lot more of a clear kind
of answer, and I think that, you know, I agree
with your with your testament.
Speaker 2: I do think that that is what's going on.
Speaker 1: I think that the belief in the prison planet itself
is actually making these technocratic grows channel this energy in
order to create that exact prison planet that they believe in.
Speaker 3: So I go, yeah, So again my my reference Dark
City and my references to Dark City because I love
the movie. I'm gonna make a clear I'm not a gnostic.
I but for those who've watched it, if you haven't
watched it. You would, you would understand it if you did.
But what happened was in that movie, you have a
species that abducted. That was That's why that was my context.
They abducted an entire city and then move them onto
another planet and by virtue, and I'm just gonna lay it.
It's it looks like ceremonial magic to me. Right where
they're in dark robes and they're tuning. It's a lot
like Franz Barden's volting mechanism where they're projecting intention consciousness.
There are parasitic species and they control the perception of
the human mind in that movie. So that's what I
was trying to articulate, you know, and sometimes I fail to.
My ADHD kicks in. But it's no different than doctor
Colik Turner's virtual reality scenario that she talks about in
her books, where you know, whatever these beings are during
their abductions, which is what Dark City was, they abduct
the entire city. They cause you to feel what they
want you to, They cause you to see what they
want you to see. And some of us, and even Steve,
my colleague Steve, and I have been looking for ways
to trigger a seam in the dream. Now when people
hear my reference to that movie and I understand it
sometimes where they will be like, Okay, you know he
thinks you know our constant No, I just I really
do just compare that movie to the abduction phenomenon. I mean,
even like General McCastle and with he was like the matrix, right.
But you know, it doesn't mean I'm a gnostic. It
just means that within the context of the abduction scenario,
it is a lot like Dark City.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I think also, you know, if I'm a
have you seen the show from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, weird, weird, weird.
Speaker 1: They end up in a town where they can't get
out of, right, So it's like exactly what you're describing
with Dark City, that these these deities are able to
almost trap you into their own little reality in its
own little area. It's almost like you're out of space
and time. And you know, it's funny they featured ruins
in that show, is like what helped them and everything,
which is very funny when connecting the whole realology and
the occult with the Nazis, because that was something they
were heavily into. So I think all this is really connected.
Whenever you look at it as you're saying.
Speaker 3: It is, it is. And you know, Dark City preceded
the matrix that you even shared some of the production,
like some of the areas a production really even the
implants right again, And that's why I frame it as abduction.
I mean, that's really what we're dealing with. Getting back
to Jeremcastle, and he was one of the consultants for
the Secret Machine novel series where he and they had
suggested at least Lavenda and DeLong and the other one,
the other uh author, that that perhaps what we're witnessing
in the sky some of them are manifestations of ceremonial
magicians performing a ritual in another dimension. And I thought, hm, interesting.
So within that framework, that's that's why I refer to
Dark City, not just because it's a great movie, and
it's not because I'm a gnostic. I'm not. I just
I look at the UFO phenomenon. I see so many
similarities there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, so could you imagine that somebody somewhere saying, like
you know, in Belgium and some like Castle somewhere right
is doing some ceremonial magic. Nobody, I mean like Chattanooga, Tennessee.
You know, you know they're out there and they're like,
oh shit, I got grabbed last night. And it's like
really some dude doing ceremonial magic on them, and it's
manifesting in some odd way through space and time. I
see where you're kind of alluding to where it could
not even be tied to time.
Speaker 2: It could be tied to like.
Speaker 1: You know, past or future almost because these deities, you know,
there is no real times, not linear for them, right,
which is interesting. That's why they can tell you things
that have happened before or after your time, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, that here's something else that's wild. And again
people don't it's not maybe they don't know these cases,
or maybe they do and they just want to stay
far away from them. But we have cases where like
entities like the Deborah mo Ophic case where there was
an individual that performed a Centuria ritual right and in
the middle of the ritual itself an ORB manifested who
chased her out of the house. Next thing you know,
the family wakes up to an entity using soap to
draw in the mirror give me a blood sacrifice. It
was an entity. Now it was a practitioner though it's crazy.
It actually started drawing its own sigils on the wall
in the in the bedroom, and it would actually even
import objects, materialize objects out of thin air in the house.
And so it's it's cases like that that they cause
me to kind of not just recoil, but to question
what is actually going on here, because again it seems
to be like, Okay, is that a demon? Not really,
it seems to be some kind of Again there's that
knife edge. I don't even know what to call them.
Speaker 2: Oh, you've got to have nuances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's got to be nuanced with this stuff,
because not everything's locked. You know, we've blocked things into
this box and material reality and then everything. You know,
there's got to be some nuance. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: So what are they? I mean, I and you probably
heard me mention this in other interviews. I know everybody
that fall me as I talk about it often. And
I need to go across state. We got lightning here, brother,
we got some storms.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyways, and I need to go travel across the
country to to to actually look at some of the footage.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: It is, Yeah, but Anyways, this individual is working with
his father was a famous remote you were, And this
is why I tell everybody question your guides or just
don't even trust them, you know, like I just I
don't trust anything anymore regarding the phenomenon. But anyways, trust
you know, challenge them, make sure like you know, and
question them. Anyways, he had guides and he would leave
his body. And it's what's crazy is he had no
concept of cabalistic magic or anything or you know, he
would just but he he mentioned a golden cord right
that would connect the salt of his body. Is very
strange stuff. But he would meet with his guides and
they were and it was an essential essentially an ufot
you where he's in this metallic room and he sees
these beings and he calls them his guides. Well, what
would happen was they would give him like prophecies and
foreign knowledge and stuff, and he would go back into
his body and then he would call up like a
local celebrity or local politician and give them advice right
from his guides. Well, in one of the sessions, everything
was going according to play and everything was normal until
they realized, like these these aren't my guides. There's something
wrong here. There is and I hate to use the term,
but it's a clinch of the matrix. It's a scene
in the dream where this is an interface. You are
not who you appear to be. You are not who
you claim to be. And it was at that moment
that he pushed back on, not physically, but just mentally, like,
you know, I don't believe you. I don't believe in you.
That's when they put him back in into his body
and from underneath the skin to the surface symbols manifested.
And I have some of some writings from his diary
and he even asked us and I said, okay, because
this son has a gift too, you know. And I
was like, man, like, what did your father believe they were?
You know he's dead now, but you know he stopped,
I believe he stopped working with him entirely. And he
was like, no, no, no, no, I don't you know.
I'm not going any further. But I said, what did
he believe they were? And he said, well, he believed
they were some kind of sorcerer. And that's kind And
people go say that has a negative connotation. Yeah, when
you're putting symbols underneath a man's skin. We have an issue.
So within I guess within the entire field, that's where
necronetics comes in and says, Okay, we're not only documenting
these cases, we're asking the legitimate question what are they?
What are they? And that's why it's kind of the
intersection of Peter Levendo's work. I know we have different
world views, but at least in scholarship, it's like, Okay,
there is something out there that is not just a
disembodied spirit, right, It's not pan either, It's it's something
else and it performs ritual manager.
Speaker 1: So I wonder, you know, I wonder how much of
this gets down to the idea of like the Fallen
Angels and the way that you know, that story is
told and the way that it seems that people open
themselves up to this this phenomena a lot more during
that time, we could say. And then of course things ended,
which could be you know, something that maybe they're recreating now,
trying to reconnect with now, and that might be this
whole concept of New Atlantis from Francis Bacon, where America
is meant to bring that in and when you look
at like what again, I keep going back to this
because I'm like, keep into studying this at the moment.
But just like if you look at what the real
kind of you know, bringing that energy in opening portals,
and then you look concerned, you know, and you kind
of think about that, or you think about what the
atomic bomb is, like really what it is, you know,
splitting of the atom, and and then you start to wonder,
like what is quantum you know, science have to do
with this, you know, spooky action at a distance.
Speaker 2: It's all like, I mean, what is that?
Speaker 1: Like in the in the definition of the name given
by the first guy to study it, he gives it
that connotation. So it's one of those things where I'm like,
this is an evolution of a science, and like, like
Sam Tripley says, it seems to be hardwired mysticism.
Speaker 3: Absolutely love Sam and death Man love Tripley Man, yeah,
him and Kurt by the way, But yeah, I mean,
whatever we're dealing with and people are gonna say this
and they always push back, well, it is technology, and
it's like, okay, we'll roll with that, but it doesn't
really do much for us, like doesn't tell us who's
doing it.
Speaker 2: Have you seen circuit boards. They have damn near sigils
on it, and.
Speaker 1: You know about you know about the concept of like
alchemy and fire and the idea of alchemical chemicalizing fire,
it would actually become electricity. It would actually be similar
to this sentient electromagnetic force that we're talking about, which
is electricity on its face.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, what's the difference.
Speaker 3: What is the difference, and how is that being weaponized
by the others? Now getting back to angel magic in
the book of Opera Mel and the Mage, It's like
the only thing I've ever found right that mirrors this
particular case study where this individual, he's a practitioner, He's
going all across the world trying to understand every esoteric
tradition and finally he meets this woman who claims that
she can fly, and she's like, watch that. She takes
a potion. She goes unconscious and doesn't leave, and she
wakes up and she's like, I flew everywhere. He didn't
I And he's like, no, you didn't, Angelia. You stayed
right there the whole time. So anyways, that that's kind
of what he was doing in his research. But anyways,
he's stubbled upon a particular occultist who was working with sigils,
and he said, okay, and he asked the guy, He goes,
have you ever seen something or an entity specifically use
Egyptian high glyphics in his sidral magic? And the man
looked at him and said, yes, I have, right, he said,
but that is angel magic in whatever they are. And
I'm telling you, I'm just shoot from the hip here.
Just because we may be right in the term or right,
oh yeah, they're falling, does not mean we have the
full synopsis of what they are. What they're doing makes sense,
it's it's not yeah so so, But that's what I'm
met with it. And I'm fascinated by that research, you know.
But that's that's just me. You know.
Speaker 1: What you're reminding me of right now is like the
Zodiac Killer and how he talked and spoke and all
those different sigils.
Speaker 2: But it was a mix of all the killer, Yeah,
and it was a mix of all.
Speaker 1: These different you could say sigils, but they were like,
you had Egypt should hire glyphs, you had symbols from
the naval intelligence, you had symbols from Greek Greek.
Speaker 2: Let So what to me?
Speaker 1: I look at that and go and I think Michael
Achino is directly connected with the Zodiac Killer, if not
one of the killers, but oh point point being, and
then what did he start order of the Nine Angles,
which is deeper into this kind of idea here.
Speaker 2: So I think there's something to that in the acceleration,
this movement being a part of this. And of course Michael.
Speaker 1: Aquino went to the castle I'm talking about, well, Himmler's
Castle and like did a whole ritual there.
Speaker 2: So this connection seems to be really deep.
Speaker 3: It is, it's profound, and it's pathological now. But that's
my frustration with the field right now. They're just trying
to smuggle in new terms to reframe a phenomenon that
they didn't didn't even believe existed, you know. And and
what what really troubles me is is like Matthew Matthew Roberts,
where it's like, Okay, why are you incorporating a demonic
term in your extra terrestrial visitation because it seems to
be and I said this on my one of my
ex posts today or last night, rather that within the
Hitchhiker effect or within the attachment, it seems like euphology
is going to have to acknowledge a new taxonomy of beings.
And in doing that, what what it appears they're going
to do is ignore hundreds of years of researching that
particular pathology that doesn't exist. We're going to repackage it.
Now we're in charge of it. We're the leading authority
on what this is. No, you're not right.
Speaker 2: So it becomes physical and material only. It doesn't become
anything metaphysical or.
Speaker 3: Spiritually, right, right, right, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a technological phenomenon.
Speaker 1: It's advanced technology that we're going to inherit by you know,
et cetera.
Speaker 3: And it bugs me, to be honest with you, because
I see something shaping up that I just don't like.
And it's the rejection of case studies that would actually
give us answers. All right, I mean, you know, like
you're getting in parapsychology.
Speaker 1: People can't form a new religion off of this if
you have the old ideology still permeating.
Speaker 2: So you have to get rid of it, both the
good and the bad.
Speaker 1: Right, So you have to get rid of both the
you know, all of it, you know, the demonology, science,
the whole you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, it's like, okay, they're all extraterrestrials.
It's like, well, I mean even getting And I said
this one in one of my presupposed episodes the other day,
where if we're going to look at the Hitchhiker effect
as my level hauntings, which Lakatski and Clum color her.
They said that that these these researchers were again witnessing
apparitions of dead children, which is as dark as you
can possibly get. Yeah, you know, shadow figures screeching at
them in the night. They're scratched, they're a bit and
their touched there.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the shadow figure before?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I have two whenever I was a kid.
Speaker 3: Weird of that that? I don't know, man. I was
playing my my video game. I was playing Tony Hawk.
I'm a nineties kid, guys, so Tony Hawk, Yeah, boys.
Speaker 2: Let's go music playlist?
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, yeah, man, and I've been playing that. I
was playing that game that night, and you know how
it is like a I don't know how you like
to play a game. But back in the day, I
was like, Okay, all the lights are off, I got
my bright screen, I'm playing this jam into this game,
and I look at it's like, okay, I see something
moving out the core of my eye. I'm like, what
is that? So I look over at the window and
my eyes are adjusting to the darkness again. I was
looking at a bright screen and and there was this
featureless shadow figure looking at me, and then it just
kind of turned at something like that. Yeah, I was out, dude.
I went right into my parents' room, was like, yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 2: Stay to you. It stayed till you left the room.
Speaker 3: I don't know it was there. It was there last
time I saw it, right, I chuck out the deuces
and I got out of there. Man. But you know,
it does appear to those things happened.
Speaker 1: Sorry, but I have those things happen like I were
nights and dude, I'll like it like clockwork, Dude, it's late.
Whenever it gets late, Dude, I'm seeing shit on the
corner of my eyes. I have a single time, and
anytime it hits like a certain time, I'm like just
ignoring it, you know. But I'll be like seeing shit
like moving, and I don't like feed into that shit.
But I also don't even think I think it's just
playing tricks on me whatever, because I have like safety
glasses on, so my it.
Speaker 2: Could be the reflection of the like curved glass whatever.
Speaker 1: But when I was a kid, I definitely but I
get spooped by it more than I would if I
was on day ship, which is interesting. It's like your
mind enters this particular place when you're at night, even
no matter what, even if you're awake, you enter this
place that your that your mind enters when you're in
a dream state at night. And I've noticed this. I've
almost been studying like the state of mind at night.
It's kind of weird. It's different, you know, the energies,
everything about it is.
Speaker 2: It's kind of cool. But yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Whenever I was a kid, I woke up one night
and I saw a shadow figure and it just it
was like right outside of my door, and it just
went right across my.
Speaker 3: Door, like that liminal state, you know. And I don't
even know if this is real or not. So I'm
gonna have to preface that, yeah, you know, preface this
with that. Rather, I remember one day I woke up
and these are things I don't know what to do with.
So people are gonna be like, well, Nathaniel, You're an idiot,
You're dumb. It's like, well, I know, I get it,
but I woke up. It was like maybe eight in
the morning, and you know how you kind of wake
up and your eyes are groggy. What I looked over
and again, I don't know what this means. I'm just
sharing what I witnessed. There was a gnome, a gnome.
He was about this tall, he was in overalls, and
he had a red mole right in his forehead and
he's just looking at me and then he disappeared. So
I don't know what that was. I don't know what
it means. It could have just been me still in
a dream or something. But it's very strange, you know.
I mean, there's so many creepy stories out there like
this with the shadow people. I know that, like the
Amman's case and Gary Indiana. You know, there's such a
connective tissue here that the field is going to have
to acknowledge this because within the framework of the hitchhiker effect,
there is possession and people will say, I don't like,
you know that that's true religious? Okay, fine, strip it
of the religious connotation. There is still the commandeering of consciousness.
That's what the hitchhiker effect can and has done. And
so within this idea, okay, like of the apparitions of
their children, Gary, Indiana, the Ammon's case study that father
Michael Magano went investigated where their eight year old I
think it's eight year old boy is was discovered by
the mother in the closet talking to an invisible entity
and when she asked the child what was it, he said,
it was another kid who was dead. Was an entity? Right? Well,
that young man, that little boy became possessed by an
entity and is now in the act. They didn't want
to do it first of all, so that the family
took him to the hospital, and so you have all
of these nurses, you have the physician there. They're trying
to figure out what's going on with him. He's laughing
at them and stuff, and next thing you know, he
walks backwards up on the wall and then does a flip.
That's when all the nurses and physicians they flipped out, right,
he flipped, but they flipped out and they went and
got the priest. My point though, is that people don't
understand that this hitchhiker effect pre existed eupology by hundreds,
if not thousands of years.
Speaker 2: The hitchhiker effect is describe that for people that may
not so well.
Speaker 3: You know. So essentially what occurs as a researcher will
go to a space, a location where the phenomenon is
more present. They'll go and they'll they'll set up camp,
they'll set up their equipment, they'll try to capture manifestations,
and then next thing you know, things are popping off
in their household right where they go home. Like okay,
like Jay Stratton was that Skinwalker Ranch and while he
was still there, the phenomenon was in his house.
Speaker 2: Wow. See And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like they're like giving people tours in the Skinwalker Ranch, dude,
and he's like, yeah, come towards so we could send
this ship back to your house.
Speaker 2: You know what is that?
Speaker 3: Well, that is a theory that my friend Fringe has
proposed and I read on our accident. It's a brilliant point.
She's a brilliant researcher, or you know, she says she's not,
but she's a great research she's a bod experiencer. Anyways,
The idea, though, is that I kind of box this
in with my own my own theory too, where her
theory was it's possible that they do not want to
disclose the phenomenon because it would activate right a level
of the hitchhiker effect that we've never experienced as a species.
And this gets back to some of the conversations I've
had with my buddy Steve, where if you do pull
the mask off, how will this respond if we have okay,
I mean people don't get this like we've had like
Jim semi Van and other members of the research community
where like their wives disappear, like literally people go missing.
Speaker 1: Do you think this could be partially like Bluebean, like
you know, like the idea of like mailing it to
everybody so everybody kind of receives that that almost hitchhiker
effect in a weird way, you know, because I wonder
how I think that a lot of this technology goes
into this So I kind of view it through like
my lens of like sixty agenda, which is like all
this technology is here, Like.
Speaker 2: Singularity is not about us. It's about us becoming silicon.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's not about AI becoming sentient per se.
Speaker 1: It's about AI becoming sensient enough to recreate itself so
that way we could then symbiotically connect to Yeah, and
so you know what I'm saying, because then it can
almost incarnate itself in with us, you know, in a way.
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if that comes into this somewhere.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you something, man, and this is I
want you to chew on this because it freaked me out.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I heard Tony Robbins give an interview the other day and.
Speaker 2: About the robot dog. What dude, it's like grifting.
Speaker 1: This guy literally talks about how is AI we sold
sold NFTs to another AI use that to make a
real world.
Speaker 2: Real world images of like robot dogs. We could bring
it with them.
Speaker 3: Brother, Yeah, do you mind if I order a dog?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: That's what he said. People, it's insane. Literally, I've never
heard anything like this, and it it really does. It's
unnerving because it's like, yeah he asked him right the inity? Okay, yeah,
they now the language is really coming right where it
was like, yeah, like, do you mind if if I
order a dog and then download myself into the dogs
where I can experience one of your teachings? Right, we
are way far ahead ahead than we ever imagined.
Speaker 1: And then what I took from that is now you're
convincing people that they could get an AI agent and
it will make money for them that they can then
spend in real life, which is like, come on, you're
gripting you.
Speaker 2: This is bullshit. So it robbed me the wrong way.
Speaker 1: It was sold as like an innocent story, but in
that story was wrapped so much propaganda.
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, Tony Robbins.
Speaker 3: Tony Robbins.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot to get into, man, But that's
really where I'm at, and I just you know, I
haven't slept really well in the last few nights because
I've just been kind of hammering at this point trying
to wrap my mind around what we're even talking about.
I mean, okay, like percentage wise, right, Like, who's to
say the phenomenon's not UFOs at all? Right? What is it?
Seventy seventy percent on a level of haunting? Right, So
I mean look at it this way. Okay, it takes
you maybe a thirty second witnessing of craft to have
five years of Hitchhiker. So WIT's crazy, It's insane. I'm okay.
Jay Stratton again, like he was at the Skinwalker ranch
for like two or three days. It was his first
initial visit, and then for the next five years. His
family is malevolly haunted. So yeah, I don't understand that.
And I think that that again La Catskin Color her
and all them, that what they're doing is that, from
my opinion, that's more disclosure than we've ever had. But
it's just not palatable. It's not and I don't want
to use this term weirdly, but it's not sexy enough.
It's not you know, cutting edge and cool. We can't
sell it. It's like, well, you know, no, like whatever
we're dealing with. Okay. For instance, you're talking about the drones. Now,
I know a couple of researchers that were in New
Jersey at the time these drone came out there, and
what was happening is they were sending up their drones
because they did a lot of aerial footage and stuff,
and they would get close to one of these things
and the battery would die and would just fall back down.
I remember one FBI agent is really weird stuff. An
FBI agent was given her testimony as to what occurred,
and she's like, you know, she goes, I was in
the house of my husband. Were eating dinner and we
hear a helicopter right above our house. And she's like,
you know, she goes, I was in the military before
I became an FBI agent. She goes, I've jumped out
of these things, like, you know, so I know what
a helicopter sounds like. And so her and her husband
like hunk her down, you know, like, what's going on.
That's crazy. She's like, it was literally on top of
my roof and then my then my husband goes, you know,
what's weird, baby, She goes, what he goes, There's nothing
shaking in the house. It was just the So I
don't know what's going on there. But my point though is, yeah,
that it's possible that they're not disclosing the real phenomenon,
and perhaps if they did, getting back to French's point,
where if they did, who knows how the hitchhiker affect
would respond.
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that a lot of this has
to do with framing it into the simulation theory in
a weird way, you know, where you know, maybe these
things programmed our reality, you know, and the more we
contact them and connect with them, the more that we
can you know, get technology or knowledge, you know.
Speaker 2: And I believe that they've been operating on those principles
this whole.
Speaker 1: Time, and that is what they what they believe to
an extent. I'm not saying they don't believe it. I
think they do believe it, you know. I just think
that they're in the wrong camp, you know what I mean.
And I think that we're only framing this whole idea
of like simulation and computer because that's what we can
our frame of reference today.
Speaker 2: Like spoken about before, it was a dream. It was
this idea of like the whole.
Speaker 1: Universe is God's brain and he's having a dream and
we're inside of like one neuron inside of his old
brain that's having a dream. And to him it's like this,
but to us it's like all this time that we're
experiencing this was the This was the old Buddhist Hindu
belief right. And so I think that that has been
rebranded as you look at like the matrix, right and
you go, oh, I see, they've just rebranded it into
this technological world, which is why I think it has
a lot to do with uh disincarnate spirits coming back
through technology.
Speaker 3: There we go and that's it would almost be technomancy
in a sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, technology, I've got an episode on that too,
because that is one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent what it is is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of what I'm referring to when
I talk about like the digital temple. There. They're looking
for this third temple, you know, to be built to
like sacrifice animals again. And I think that it's deeper
than that. I think it's you know, man with the
water picture. Water is consciously, sir, consciousness will be poured
into this new temple, which is this digital temple. And
that's why I'm relating these two together in this way,
because I think it's all connected.
Speaker 3: It is connected. In one of the more chilling cases
of abduction I've ever heard. It comes out of R. E. L.
Masters book Aerosy Evil. It's the sexual pathology of demons.
Speaker 2: That's got really weird.
Speaker 1: Well, sexual pathology of demons, I bet you, I bet you.
GE's similar to the what's that book where the sex
Book of Looking Forward?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, there's actually nothing like that in there. Really,
it's it's literally now it's dealing with familiar spirits, dealing
with you know, obviously demons. It's what the book's about,
but mainly like codifying the taxonomy of beings, like what
they do and what they say. But there's very little
of that at all. But there was one specific case
that he docum and this blew my mind because you know,
we have David Jacobs and others that says, okay, you know,
abduction phenomenon just started in like the twenties, and it's like, no,
you know that interface of the abduction phenomenon, you know,
a ride of the twenties. But this particular case study
where a woman was abducted by entities that she called demons,
and the husband gets up in the night and he
sees her of sleeping. The problem was it wasn't her.
This is weird, guys. This is very weird stuff. Now
I can understand, and in times past I've thought about
whether or not that was her and that this was
an actual outer body experience. I don't know. But the
problem is that they took her to the back side
of a mountain and she's told her husband and she's like,
you know, she goes next thing. I know, I'm copulating
with a corpse and with the demon, and I.
Speaker 1: Just think about skinary movie. You remember scary movie. Every
time I hear every time I hear you talk about
every time I hear you talk about some chicken, you know,
screwed by a demon.
Speaker 2: I'm like, just thinking about this weird scary movie.
Speaker 3: You know. Well, what's crazy, though, is that that entire
scenario was a virtual reality thing, right, you know they'd
have that word that that phrase we do now. But
she's like, you know, she goes, I I like, there
was a glitch a scene in the dream and she
realized that none of this was taking place. She was
at the backs of the mountain. She was in some
kind of metallic room. She was being poked and product
by metallic objects. That is a classic abduction scenario, and
it happened in the Middle Ages.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, I had heard. I had heard about
things like that where it's like, yeah, what is that.
I mean, you know, in the metallic part. I didn't
know about that part. You know, I had seen something
that was kind of similar with like elves where they
were like, yes, just like a UFO reduction, but I
think they said shiny you know where it's kind of
like it reminds me of like asked or as gard
or whatever where it's like it's a shiny city up
in the sky and everything, and I think that's you know,
that's probably how they could describe these kind of things.
Speaker 3: But but what do we do with that?
Speaker 2: You know? Right?
Speaker 3: Because and this is what I try to stress in
my lectures and interviews, where people want this to be
so binary, you know, and even within demonology, if we
buy into the idea that it's just this current spirits,
it's like, well there's technonology being employed. Yeah, but then
we have to go and and unfortunately, and people try
to do this in the field and it's kind of
what's kind of lappable where they have to psycho analyze, right,
it's like, well, why would they have us? But it's like, okay,
well what if they found a body again, what would
they do? They would probably do what their fathers did.
What are they you know? Don't mean, so you got
to kind of think like that, right anyways, man, So
I appreciate you having me on, brother, absolutely, Yeah, we
could have this buddy. That was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And definitely come on anytime you want to
and let everybody know where they can find you again,
of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh yeah, man, it was a pleasure for sure.
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I'm just kidding, yeah, up a little wild Wings. That's
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