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Speaker 1: All right, all right, welcome to sixty agenda. How are

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we doing today? Happy Friday. I'm very excited today I

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got my very very interesting, awesome guest, Nathaniel Gillis. Uh yeah, no,

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I barely even know how to give you an intro.

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Speaker 2: I almost just threw you in and just let's go.

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We don't need let's just start talking because I was

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just so excited.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I got a very exciting conversation ready

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for you.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: We're to do a quick deep dive hours so and

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we're gonna get into the phenomenon necronotics necronetics rather and

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Nathaniel Gillis is here to let us know about it all.

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Speaker 3: Welcome in, brother, Thank you Boddy. It's good to be

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here and to make new connections. And we've got a

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lot to cover, man, So I'm excited absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So let me know where they can find you. I

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know you have a website full of your research. Definitely

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let them know about that. It's pretty cool. I browsed

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that yesterday, so it's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thanks buddy. Well, as you guys have already deduced, my

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namee Nathaniel Gillis, you can find me on my website.

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Paris Imposia. That's my platform. I do weekly videos with

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my community and you can follow me. I'm on x

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now and I don't know if I like it, but

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I'm back on. You can follow me on there, and

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you can also follow me on Instagram under my same name,

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Nathaniel Gillis Beautiful Perfect.

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Speaker 1: I've got a little issue with my audio. Apparently somebody

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told me down in the chat. We've got some people

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in the chat. Welcome in everybody. Do I sound good

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to you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Man's good to me.

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Speaker 1: Somebody in my last show, I was just in a

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show with somebody and the chat was like, you're really low.

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So I turned it up and I bet you that's

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what it is. I'm probably blaring for that person, right awesome. Yeah,

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so yeah, we've got you know, Necronetics is something I've

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kind of heard you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: I know that you coined the term. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a phenomenon that it's all encompassing when

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it comes to the paranormal, the demonic, uh we maybe

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even say elementals.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, so it seems to be this uh you know,

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perpetuating thing for since antiquity. I would almost say, so,

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what's the you on that and also explain what acronotics

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and econetic netics is.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So years and years ago, when I was doing eachy

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by research, I started hav these cases where women were

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being accosted by entities and the entity would just show

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up at the same time of the year, in the

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same week, usually like this one specific case I had

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a like usually like in October, the second week of

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October every year. It was wild. But I got to

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the research and I realized that there seems to be

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some kind of necromantic species that is perpetuating its own

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existence to humanity. And that's why, Like when I was

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on Danny Jones and I said that that species would demonize.

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I wasn't saying that they may not be demonic or anything,

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but I was trying to articulate. Was like, what are they?

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My father's finish story of Amino was going in two

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homes within an hour of these beings manifesting, and he

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was collecting secretions left by the beings. In addition to that,

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these beings were combining their secretions with sigils, and so

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once I started looking at those case studies, I mean,

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they're everywhere in the literature, at least in demonology, and

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into the Nephalie hypothesis, and if I do buy in

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to the idea that they're actually disembodied right spirits or

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you know, discarnate entities, then we have a problem with

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the way we're approaching the ecubus. He has a body,

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he's not incorporeal. It is something or someone that seems

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to be trying to replicate perhaps what is within it.

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The Red Right, which it's from the left hand Path,

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but he gets to this idea of creating a love

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bond with a woman and pregnating her with a fetus

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and then commandeering that as your avatar. And so within

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that framework, I came to the conclusion, at least it's

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a theory I'm presenting as a theory obviously, that the

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incubus is kind of a hybrid.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 3: He's on the line, right, the knife's edge of being

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Speaker 1: Well, incubus is a male rhemonic energy versus succubus, which

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is female correct.

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Speaker 3: Correct correct, And there have been arguments throughout history regarding

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male and then appears as female. No. Right, again, we're

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dealing with something that was leaving secretions, and some people

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like Montguseummers and even some Stratamino theorized number one that

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it looked like that these secretions came from a recently

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deceased person. And so you see here it's it's really

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dark stuff. It's really dark magic is with you that

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they're performing, and they appear to be, at least in

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my mind, a species of practitioners that was kind of

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confused by their early demonologists and they thought that's what

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spirit that has a body. It's corporeal. And so that's

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the idea of projecting your consciousness into the fetus is

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what they're doing, at least in my theory, so it's

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kind of stimpified. That's where necronetics started. And then I

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kind of realized that that a lot of these beings

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were manifesting two women in the images of their husbands,

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research where I'm looking at the interface events and how

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that happens, where it's possible that the observer effect is

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triggered and they're looking into the eyes of the experience

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or taking on literally pulling the mask over their own face.

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I'm someone you love, I'm someone you trust, and it

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seems to be this is what it's crazy. But it

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seems like Peter J. Carroll, without even understanding and doing

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incuby research as an occultist, came to the same conclusion.

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possession being pregnancy for them. That's not one or the other,

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it's the same. And then I got into the DBUUK

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research in Softy Israel, which is you know modern suppias

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roll now, where you had possessions and pregnancies taking place

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in the same body at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Is that That's what George Soro said, he has yeah.

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so alarming to me. I mean, you know, it's like, Okay,

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something's living in you, it's trying to perpetuate and replicated

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some existence. So then I got into this, this this

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research dealing with interfaces and how the phenomenon will weaponize

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our perceptions against us against that other where like when

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we make eye contact with these entities, it's almost like

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they comment your our consciousness to the point where we

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cannot trust anything we're witnessing with our eyes. And I'm

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a gonosta stress that for about But it's gonna be

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watching this in the future. That's watching it now. See

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what we see maybe the least actionable data we have

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in interpreting this thing. Okay, there's one of I just

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watched Emily Trim, which is one of the Aerial School

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witnesses back in uh John MAXs research and John Mack

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went there and to the school and investigated the case,

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and he'd worked with this individual. This is this females woman. Well,

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they asked her at one of the conferences. She was

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real sheepish about us, but they said, okay, when these

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beings manifested to you, what did they look like? She said, well,

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it's weird, she goes, because they can control your perception

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of them. And she said that when she first saw

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one of these creatures. By the way, this is not necronetics,

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but it still has to deal with the interface events

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right now, the phenomenon manipulates our perception anyway she goes,

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you know, she because I thought it's a gray alien.

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its face is changing from a lion to a gray

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just fluctuating. And my point as of late is we

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know that it's not a lion, right, it's not a

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bipedal lion with little, you know, little skinny legs. But

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my point though is if they committee manipulate our perception

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of believing it's a lion and it's not a lion,

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then how do we really know what's great? Something might

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be there right, but it might also be weaponizing our

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perception against us to where it's literally putting on a mask.

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And that's the problem, Like we don't like, we don't

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know what we're witnessing anymore. And if the phenomenon can

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hide behind that so often and so meticulously, then then

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we have a problem in our phenomenology and especially how

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we approach us. I mean, how many times we heard

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people will lie so I know what I saw. No,

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that's probably the least of what we know right now. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: You familiar with the Theosophical Society Alice Bailey and her

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externalization in the hierarchy. She describes Sanat Kamara, who is

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in a send and master from the White Brotherhood that like,

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essentially she describes plasma in a weird way, like when

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she describes the veil and she describes the astral realm

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that she says is merging with the material realm in

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this new age. Right, it seems very similar to that.

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this phenomenon, when you actually scientifically break it down, not

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just perceptually, right, it is kind of manifesting in this

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plasma sentient plasma in a way.

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Speaker 2: Is that correctly?

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Speaker 3: So? Yeah, externalization about the hierarchy dealing with plasma. Our

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ancestors would call it ball lightning, like when in the

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old uss R parapsychological research, they would call it ball lighting.

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term ORB comes from parapsychology, but it's not ball lightning.

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that particular phenomenon right where they were trying to use

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layer lasers whether rather to kind of project orbs. The

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problem is whatever we're dealing with and this gets really

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weird creepy, like they can actually project apparitions. They can

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like I remember doctor Lynch telling me years ago where

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he had a case where a man was picked up

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all of his feet by an and a hand was

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like a handprint was around his neck. So, but the

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entire theory like that, like, oh, their gin because their

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smokes fire. It's like, well, gin can replicate, right, Like

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what's going on there? So I don't know what they are.

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and went through down on Danny Jones Show right where

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USSR per psychological proas psychological research. They're projecting their consciousness

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creating a bio field electromagnetic cloud that was scientific scientifically

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measured and witnessed, and in the midst of that cloud

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there were orbs. So that's where I'm at with it.

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of my research, I was doing this investigations and stuff.

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I did one investigation whereas a murder took place and

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the actual the suspect was possessed. It was a female,

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but she had a male guttural voice coming out of

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her mouth. She wasn't moving her mouth, but it was

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just coming out of her mouth. But I was doing

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investigations like that, and then kind of comparing and contrasting

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what I was documenting with what I was researching in literature,

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and I realized, like, sometimes I think we get possession.

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I mean, it's evil, don't get me wrong, But I

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think there's a lot more going on than just horns

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and hooks. It's way more going on there. But that's

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Speaker 2: You describe something that sounded like voice to skull technology.

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Speaker 1: You describe something that sounded like a voice to skull

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technology that kind of came from them, And I almost

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wonder if they're replicating some of what these deities you know,

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or entities can almost do with technology in a way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've tried to do that. I would recommend Nick

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Redfern's book The Renalship Conspiracy. But you know, again, like

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much of it is being propped up and manifested by

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our own federal government in order to control our perspective

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Speaker 1: Dude, I love that you're saying that, because I you know,

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when the drones were in the air, it was like,

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how much of this is being pro It's just I

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liken it to this the analogy. I'n't given it on

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my show, and this is one reason why I really

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wanted to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought this up.

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Speaker 1: Like the Mayans, you know, back in the day, they

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understood astrology, so they would use the eclipses against people

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to get them to sacrifice, et cetera. Right, It's kind

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of similar in a weird way, where they're creating this

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mythology and they're proving it with the manipulation of science

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or plasma, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, and I think they've here's the scary thing, man, Like,

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we don't know what they're capable of at this point.

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we were briefed in and we understood what technology they're

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in possess than how they'd weaponize it against us, I

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think it would terrify us. You know, we would lose

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sleep every night over it. But there are certain things

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that that the phenomenon does that you know, we just

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do not understand. I mean, I know that goes without saying,

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but literally people like to put this stuff in a

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box and say, well, they can only do A, B

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and C, and it's not true. And so even in

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my own like my own research, I had to come

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to a point where, like I had to abandon some

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of the dog but not like the Christian job or anything,

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but like what I grew up hearing about this stuff,

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Like my dad always tells me, well, they can't come

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into my house because I have a threshold covenant. It's

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like no, right, they're playing by different rules because they're

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playing a different game entirely. And so that's why when

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I got into parapsychology, started working with my colleague Steve Mihra,

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it really took me for a while ride because it

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was like, Okay, what can they not do? Let's start there,

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and that's really where I'm at. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, it's funny because I was talking

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to somebody and he mentioned how it says there's familiar

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spirits like in the Bible, like they did talk about

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this stuff where they could present themselves as a family member.

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Speaker 2: So there's all kinds of things that they can do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as you've seen with your your you know,

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stories from people. But it's pretty wild that it seems

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that they've almost been enough that this takes me back

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to my studies with the Nazis and real energy and

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how they were doing rituals in the castle and they

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were trying to get you know, channel information, and it

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seems that you know, they may have gotten the you

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know UFO technology out of that anti cre vidigol free

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energy type technology. And then after that, of course we

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know about paper clips. So it seems that we've almost

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continued that and now we're looking at what might be

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the perfection of what we could call real energy, which

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might be what this phenomenon is just on its face.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there that's another conversation that I've been having with

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people in the field. It's like, well, you know, there's

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this idea well, people, you've heard that, right, Well, what

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are these things? Okay, what does a demon need a spaceship?

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And it's like, well, why would an alien need an altar?

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They don't. Again, it's like the entire field doesn't want

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to acknowledge that fact. Now I'm not saying that we're

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negetting the point that, okay, we have nuts in both spacecraft,

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but a lot of people just don't understand what these

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beings and the phenomenon is capable of doing. Look at

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James Lakatski's book Future Visions. He's talking literally he has

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to clarify with people because they just don't know. And

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he's going down the list of the manifestations of the

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sky and he says, okay, you have you have solid

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objects and you have solid looking objects. Well, aren't those

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the same? No, they're not. Whatever we're dealing with can

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create physiological constructs to where to the naked eye it

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appears to be solid and metallic, but it's not. It's

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something else entirely. John Keel tried to articulate this to

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the best of his ability, and the Trojan Horse in

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other books of his And it seems like in the

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field you have people studying UFOs and you have people

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studying the actual phenomenon in what La CAATs can even

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call them color he have done, thank goodness, is they've

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approached this from parapsychology, not from you, not from euthology,

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and in doing so, they bridge the gap between two

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fields of research. And nobody's talking about this. You know,

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it's like, well, they're all aliens. It's like, well, time out.

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I'm not negating that aliens exist, right, they may exist

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out there. It's a lawful People say this all the time,

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and I agree, it's a lot of wasted space. The

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problem is is that we have what's called a hitchhiker effect,

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and in reality it's an attachment. But what uthology is

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trying to do, and those who are in power behind

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that movement, they're trying to reframe malevolent hauntings and kind

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of astro turf all of it. And then oh, well,

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it's just it's all euthology. No, it's not. What scares

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me because of this is that if we're going to

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negate the presence of elevel of hauntings, we're going to

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ignore hundreds, if not thousands of years of behavioral patterns.

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And because of it. It's like, Okay, now they're going

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to repackage it. It's not an attachment. Sure you may

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be going through a levnal haunting, right, but it's a

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hitchhiker effect. But what happens with Katski and clm keller

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Hur's work again? Now, James Leakatski was the leader of

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all SAP, they had a ball SAP and then Calm

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keller her was the leading scientists for the National Institute

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of Discovery Science skin Walk a ranch. Anyways, what both

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of them said was, look, we originally thought we were

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studying ufology. Now, okay, everybody that'synting I'm watching, think about this. Okay,

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think about it. If somebody else said this, what would

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you think about it? Right, Because we've heard this throughout

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the field for hundreds of years. We thought we were

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studying nuts and bolts extra terrestrials. And then out of nowhere,

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researchers from skin Walker, from the Lawrence Livermore app Laboratory

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are going home and are being malevolantly, malevolently haunted. I

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don't want to get to demonetized, your buddy.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I go dangerousers.

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Speaker 3: Let's get down here, man. This is this is crazy,

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but people have to hear this. They were being haunted

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by apparitions of dead children in their homes and people

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in the field are going aliens. It's just aliens. Nothing

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to see here. And my problem with that is, again,

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that is an entirely different field of research. But what

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these again, they're phenomenologists. What they've done is they've they've finally,

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through the scientific method and through anecdotal evidence, i should say,

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stories and experiencers, they've bridged a gap that we were

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told never existed. And people dare say they have the

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gall to suggest this is love and light. It's all

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love and light. And what I'm realizing now and it's

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so fascinating because I mentioned this on X and again,

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I'm not attacking anybody. I'm just pulling out cases and

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kind of zooming in and saying, okay, what is that.

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You got people like Matthew Roberts, who was a UAP witness. Okay,

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he goes back to his base and he's meeting with

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his other co pilots and everything, and they're like, my god,

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what was that. He's like, I have no idea. But

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he goes home. This is fascinating to me, and he

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literally says that he was visited in the night by

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a succubus. Now you see both fields coming in line.

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And my question to youupology as a whole, is what

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part of that research of that model, even the hitchhiker effect,

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what part of the hitchhiker effect includes being initiated? Is

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what she told him by a succubus encounter? What is that?

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Because that again, even the term initiated, it sounds a

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lot like you're being initiated into a mystery school, right.

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So what we're realizing in real time now is it's

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almost like the extraterrestrial hypothesis is just I'm just kind

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of like a psio to occuscate the true nature of

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the phenomenon. And I'm gonna finish with this real quick.

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You could kind of summarize my point. Who's to say

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that the real phenomenon is not what goes home with

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you after you see the craft. Maybe that's what it is.

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It's not just okay, it's an object of this guy. No, no, no, no,

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it's when you observe it, when you collapse it by

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connecting your consciousness to it. And then now like it's

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like it's pathology like a pathogen. Now it mutates, it

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follows you home. I'm of the of the conviction now

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at least that I think that's the real phenomenon, that's

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the real intention of this thing is to get us

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to observe what's in the skies. We can actually come

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home with us.

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Speaker 1: So give over your conscious energy to it, because then,

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of course, like a demonic possession, you're now opening yourself

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up to being let's say, affected by this spirit now

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a little bit more than you were before, because now

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you're believing in UFOs.

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Speaker 2: You're saying, oh, look, I believe it.

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Speaker 1: Right, So there's somebody speaking of that shut out bunkie

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right on seven of my friends and I seen two

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or three story tall black triangle UFOs in the middle

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of town, only a few hundred feet above ground, or

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reports of anybody trying to see how that could be

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possible or man Nathan is And you know, I mean,

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I do think there's a lot of bedrooll black ops

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government activity.

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Speaker 2: I think probably ninety nine percent of it is that.

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Speaker 1: And I think that you know, the phenomenon that was

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talked about being elementals before, you know, back in the past.

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You know, an ancient antiquity time. If you look at people,

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I mean, there's similar stories to what people describe as

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the Grays, like abductmm, it's just more metallic and high tech.

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So there's a slight difference as you I think, as

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you've said, where people will believe it more if it's

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kind of like geared towards their time, kind of like

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the Bibles kind of geared towards people's time of like

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you know, harvesting and tilling, and these are parables about

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what people know. Well, it seems that these demonic energies

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present themselves with what you would know the same way,

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in the same way.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly where they kind of go through the

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archive of imagery that we have as a species individually

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and pluck out an image, stretch it over their face,

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and then kind of interact with us. But whatever we're

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dealing with is highly highly manipulative. And the reason I

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get what the government did again they're like, well, this

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is the idea is that we're trying to document and

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express its ability to be fluid, right, and it's the

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transmissibility of the parable pathogen is what they were trying

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to give us. But again that's not euthology. That's hauntings.

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That's my level of hauntings. We first, okay, I mean

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we have doctor Barry TAFs case the San Pedro haunting.

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We've got Virginia Ramirez. And again people don't understand this.

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This is something that John Ke was trying to say.

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But this intelligence has the ability to make something looked

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looks like again physical nuts and bolts. Virginia Ramirez witnessed

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her own daughter walking around in her home called out

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to her, Okay. She went into her room and said, okay, whatever, whatever,

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baby whatever. Two hours later, her daughter gets home from work,

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her real daughter. And when they're investigating this, and they're

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they're asking Virginia like, you know, are you sure that

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what you should? No, no, it was not. It wasn't

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like an aperition in the context of like it was

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a see through right or translucent. No. She's like, no,

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it look like my daughter.

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Speaker 2: It looked flesh and bone.

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Speaker 3: Right, the aparitional quality. Though again that's a spectrum of course,

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but the phenomenon just like okay, hauntings, for instance, the

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phenomenon can create physiological constructs in the house sometimes and

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most of the time projected by orbs now I mentioned

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this is the Danny Jones interview, where you know, altitude

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does not diminish its ability their ability to project images.

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And in one thing that Lakatski said and even called

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Kelliherne mentioned this in this article was where these people

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like a part of the Hitchhicker effect was literal UFOs

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manifesting in their homes. So if you kind of it's

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almost like we need to invert the field. We have

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UFO UFOs and homes and hauntings in the sky. It

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seems to be and I know people are going to

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kind of frown on this, but it really is true.

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It seems to be. It's it's it is John Keell's

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super spectrum. But it seems to be a singular origin

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at least of the paranormal. I'm not saying it's God right,

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I'm just saying that whatever that darkness is.

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Speaker 1: Like arconic, the arconic demiurgic force.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that, you know, I want to know.

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Speaker 1: So actually it's so funny, you know, uh, let me

469
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:24,200
go ahead and pop this out. Somebody was saying, how

470
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,039
you were just talking about right after the UFO then

471
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,559
you started talking about aperitions inside of a home. Well,

472
00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:30,960
Funky wanted to add on to their story that after

473
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,799
they got home, you know, from that UFO situation with

474
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:37,759
the Black Triangle, the Exorcist was on TV.

475
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: So it was very similar to that. Everybody exactly synchronicity.

476
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: So I do want to get your idea of the

477
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:46,880
gnostic like how that fits in here with the Dark

478
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,279
City and everything else, because a lot of people in

479
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,559
here did see my Biblical Hitman episode I did, which

480
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,480
was last week, and you know, I was a little harsh,

481
00:26:57,559 --> 00:26:59,759
I think whenever it came to what I was getting

482
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:01,839
from you on Danny Jones, we talked on the phone

483
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,920
and I got a lot more of a clear kind

484
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,079
of answer, and I think that, you know, I agree

485
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:08,240
with your with your testament.

486
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: I do think that that is what's going on.

487
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: I think that the belief in the prison planet itself

488
00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:19,039
is actually making these technocratic grows channel this energy in

489
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,960
order to create that exact prison planet that they believe in.

490
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: So I go, yeah, So again my my reference Dark

491
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,640
City and my references to Dark City because I love

492
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,039
the movie. I'm gonna make a clear I'm not a gnostic.

493
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,759
I but for those who've watched it, if you haven't

494
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,359
watched it. You would, you would understand it if you did.

495
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:41,559
But what happened was in that movie, you have a

496
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,559
species that abducted. That was That's why that was my context.

497
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:50,200
They abducted an entire city and then move them onto

498
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:54,319
another planet and by virtue, and I'm just gonna lay it.

499
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:57,599
It's it looks like ceremonial magic to me. Right where

500
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,160
they're in dark robes and they're tuning. It's a lot

501
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,480
like Franz Barden's volting mechanism where they're projecting intention consciousness.

502
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:13,319
There are parasitic species and they control the perception of

503
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,839
the human mind in that movie. So that's what I

504
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,680
was trying to articulate, you know, and sometimes I fail to.

505
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,119
My ADHD kicks in. But it's no different than doctor

506
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,160
Colik Turner's virtual reality scenario that she talks about in

507
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,880
her books, where you know, whatever these beings are during

508
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,240
their abductions, which is what Dark City was, they abduct

509
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:35,759
the entire city. They cause you to feel what they

510
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,000
want you to, They cause you to see what they

511
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:41,559
want you to see. And some of us, and even Steve,

512
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,160
my colleague Steve, and I have been looking for ways

513
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,039
to trigger a seam in the dream. Now when people

514
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:53,799
hear my reference to that movie and I understand it

515
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:56,480
sometimes where they will be like, Okay, you know he

516
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:58,960
thinks you know our constant No, I just I really

517
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,200
do just compare that movie to the abduction phenomenon. I mean,

518
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:07,240
even like General McCastle and with he was like the matrix, right.

519
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,160
But you know, it doesn't mean I'm a gnostic. It

520
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,720
just means that within the context of the abduction scenario,

521
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:12,839
it is a lot like Dark City.

522
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,039
Speaker 1: Well, well, I think also, you know, if I'm a

523
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:17,640
have you seen the show from.

524
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:20,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, weird, weird, weird.

525
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,799
Speaker 1: They end up in a town where they can't get

526
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,000
out of, right, So it's like exactly what you're describing

527
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,160
with Dark City, that these these deities are able to

528
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,480
almost trap you into their own little reality in its

529
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:33,880
own little area. It's almost like you're out of space

530
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,160
and time. And you know, it's funny they featured ruins

531
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:39,960
in that show, is like what helped them and everything,

532
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,000
which is very funny when connecting the whole realology and

533
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,640
the occult with the Nazis, because that was something they

534
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,400
were heavily into. So I think all this is really connected.

535
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,240
Whenever you look at it as you're saying.

536
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: It is, it is. And you know, Dark City preceded

537
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:58,559
the matrix that you even shared some of the production,

538
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,960
like some of the areas a production really even the

539
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,680
implants right again, And that's why I frame it as abduction.

540
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:09,200
I mean, that's really what we're dealing with. Getting back

541
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,240
to Jeremcastle, and he was one of the consultants for

542
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:17,559
the Secret Machine novel series where he and they had

543
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:22,079
suggested at least Lavenda and DeLong and the other one,

544
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,519
the other uh author, that that perhaps what we're witnessing

545
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:31,400
in the sky some of them are manifestations of ceremonial

546
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:37,559
magicians performing a ritual in another dimension. And I thought, hm, interesting.

547
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,960
So within that framework, that's that's why I refer to

548
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,599
Dark City, not just because it's a great movie, and

549
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,359
it's not because I'm a gnostic. I'm not. I just

550
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,880
I look at the UFO phenomenon. I see so many

551
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,519
similarities there. Yeah.

552
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:53,599
Speaker 1: So, so could you imagine that somebody somewhere saying, like

553
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:57,319
you know, in Belgium and some like Castle somewhere right

554
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,519
is doing some ceremonial magic. Nobody, I mean like Chattanooga, Tennessee.

555
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,960
You know, you know they're out there and they're like,

556
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,279
oh shit, I got grabbed last night. And it's like

557
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:09,119
really some dude doing ceremonial magic on them, and it's

558
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,559
manifesting in some odd way through space and time. I

559
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,119
see where you're kind of alluding to where it could

560
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:16,400
not even be tied to time.

561
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:17,839
Speaker 2: It could be tied to like.

562
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,759
Speaker 1: You know, past or future almost because these deities, you know,

563
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:24,240
there is no real times, not linear for them, right,

564
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,880
which is interesting. That's why they can tell you things

565
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,039
that have happened before or after your time, you know

566
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:29,599
what I'm saying.

567
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: So, yeah, that here's something else that's wild. And again

568
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:38,640
people don't it's not maybe they don't know these cases,

569
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:40,160
or maybe they do and they just want to stay

570
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,440
far away from them. But we have cases where like

571
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:49,200
entities like the Deborah mo Ophic case where there was

572
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,319
an individual that performed a Centuria ritual right and in

573
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,240
the middle of the ritual itself an ORB manifested who

574
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,359
chased her out of the house. Next thing you know,

575
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,160
the family wakes up to an entity using soap to

576
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:06,720
draw in the mirror give me a blood sacrifice. It

577
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,720
was an entity. Now it was a practitioner though it's crazy.

578
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,000
It actually started drawing its own sigils on the wall

579
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,640
in the in the bedroom, and it would actually even

580
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,240
import objects, materialize objects out of thin air in the house.

581
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,839
And so it's it's cases like that that they cause

582
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,440
me to kind of not just recoil, but to question

583
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,680
what is actually going on here, because again it seems

584
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,240
to be like, Okay, is that a demon? Not really,

585
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,240
it seems to be some kind of Again there's that

586
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,200
knife edge. I don't even know what to call them.

587
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: Oh, you've got to have nuances.

588
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's got to be nuanced with this stuff,

589
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:48,000
because not everything's locked. You know, we've blocked things into

590
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,359
this box and material reality and then everything. You know,

591
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,599
there's got to be some nuance. Yeah, I agree with that.

592
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,319
Speaker 3: So what are they? I mean, I and you probably

593
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,680
heard me mention this in other interviews. I know everybody

594
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,680
that fall me as I talk about it often. And

595
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:07,880
I need to go across state. We got lightning here, brother,

596
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,640
we got some storms.

597
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

598
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyways, and I need to go travel across the

599
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,880
country to to to actually look at some of the footage.

600
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: There.

601
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: It is, Yeah, but Anyways, this individual is working with

602
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,160
his father was a famous remote you were, And this

603
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,079
is why I tell everybody question your guides or just

604
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,799
don't even trust them, you know, like I just I

605
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,880
don't trust anything anymore regarding the phenomenon. But anyways, trust

606
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,480
you know, challenge them, make sure like you know, and

607
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,640
question them. Anyways, he had guides and he would leave

608
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,960
his body. And it's what's crazy is he had no

609
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,039
concept of cabalistic magic or anything or you know, he

610
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:52,160
would just but he he mentioned a golden cord right

611
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,000
that would connect the salt of his body. Is very

612
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,920
strange stuff. But he would meet with his guides and

613
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:00,200
they were and it was an essential essentially an ufot

614
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,680
you where he's in this metallic room and he sees

615
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,480
these beings and he calls them his guides. Well, what

616
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,440
would happen was they would give him like prophecies and

617
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:11,199
foreign knowledge and stuff, and he would go back into

618
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,400
his body and then he would call up like a

619
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,360
local celebrity or local politician and give them advice right

620
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,159
from his guides. Well, in one of the sessions, everything

621
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,199
was going according to play and everything was normal until

622
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,519
they realized, like these these aren't my guides. There's something

623
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,519
wrong here. There is and I hate to use the term,

624
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,119
but it's a clinch of the matrix. It's a scene

625
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,199
in the dream where this is an interface. You are

626
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,320
not who you appear to be. You are not who

627
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,199
you claim to be. And it was at that moment

628
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,880
that he pushed back on, not physically, but just mentally, like,

629
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,599
you know, I don't believe you. I don't believe in you.

630
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,079
That's when they put him back in into his body

631
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,360
and from underneath the skin to the surface symbols manifested.

632
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,159
And I have some of some writings from his diary

633
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,719
and he even asked us and I said, okay, because

634
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,000
this son has a gift too, you know. And I

635
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,320
was like, man, like, what did your father believe they were?

636
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,079
You know he's dead now, but you know he stopped,

637
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,039
I believe he stopped working with him entirely. And he

638
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:14,320
was like, no, no, no, no, I don't you know.

639
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,920
I'm not going any further. But I said, what did

640
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,159
he believe they were? And he said, well, he believed

641
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,000
they were some kind of sorcerer. And that's kind And

642
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,639
people go say that has a negative connotation. Yeah, when

643
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:32,440
you're putting symbols underneath a man's skin. We have an issue.

644
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,159
So within I guess within the entire field, that's where

645
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,880
necronetics comes in and says, Okay, we're not only documenting

646
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,639
these cases, we're asking the legitimate question what are they?

647
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,679
What are they? And that's why it's kind of the

648
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,039
intersection of Peter Levendo's work. I know we have different

649
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,440
world views, but at least in scholarship, it's like, Okay,

650
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,639
there is something out there that is not just a

651
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,559
disembodied spirit, right, It's not pan either, It's it's something

652
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,519
else and it performs ritual manager.

653
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: So I wonder, you know, I wonder how much of

654
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,039
this gets down to the idea of like the Fallen

655
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:19,119
Angels and the way that you know, that story is

656
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,320
told and the way that it seems that people open

657
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,920
themselves up to this this phenomena a lot more during

658
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,280
that time, we could say. And then of course things ended,

659
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,000
which could be you know, something that maybe they're recreating now,

660
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:36,039
trying to reconnect with now, and that might be this

661
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,280
whole concept of New Atlantis from Francis Bacon, where America

662
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,400
is meant to bring that in and when you look

663
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,519
at like what again, I keep going back to this

664
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:45,360
because I'm like, keep into studying this at the moment.

665
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,719
But just like if you look at what the real

666
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,800
kind of you know, bringing that energy in opening portals,

667
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,760
and then you look concerned, you know, and you kind

668
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,159
of think about that, or you think about what the

669
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,320
atomic bomb is, like really what it is, you know,

670
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,079
splitting of the atom, and and then you start to wonder,

671
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:04,440
like what is quantum you know, science have to do

672
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:07,199
with this, you know, spooky action at a distance.

673
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: It's all like, I mean, what is that?

674
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: Like in the in the definition of the name given

675
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,159
by the first guy to study it, he gives it

676
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,159
that connotation. So it's one of those things where I'm like,

677
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,360
this is an evolution of a science, and like, like

678
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,360
Sam Tripley says, it seems to be hardwired mysticism.

679
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely love Sam and death Man love Tripley Man, yeah,

680
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,519
him and Kurt by the way, But yeah, I mean,

681
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,039
whatever we're dealing with and people are gonna say this

682
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:36,280
and they always push back, well, it is technology, and

683
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,679
it's like, okay, we'll roll with that, but it doesn't

684
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,039
really do much for us, like doesn't tell us who's

685
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:41,440
doing it.

686
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: Have you seen circuit boards. They have damn near sigils

687
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:44,760
on it, and.

688
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,159
Speaker 1: You know about you know about the concept of like

689
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:52,000
alchemy and fire and the idea of alchemical chemicalizing fire,

690
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,079
it would actually become electricity. It would actually be similar

691
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:58,000
to this sentient electromagnetic force that we're talking about, which

692
00:37:58,039 --> 00:37:59,719
is electricity on its face.

693
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 2: So I'm like, what's the difference.

694
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,559
Speaker 3: What is the difference, and how is that being weaponized

695
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:08,360
by the others? Now getting back to angel magic in

696
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,800
the book of Opera Mel and the Mage, It's like

697
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,639
the only thing I've ever found right that mirrors this

698
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,960
particular case study where this individual, he's a practitioner, He's

699
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,960
going all across the world trying to understand every esoteric

700
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,880
tradition and finally he meets this woman who claims that

701
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,440
she can fly, and she's like, watch that. She takes

702
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,679
a potion. She goes unconscious and doesn't leave, and she

703
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,840
wakes up and she's like, I flew everywhere. He didn't

704
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,000
I And he's like, no, you didn't, Angelia. You stayed

705
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:41,400
right there the whole time. So anyways, that that's kind

706
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,400
of what he was doing in his research. But anyways,

707
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,840
he's stubbled upon a particular occultist who was working with sigils,

708
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:53,079
and he said, okay, and he asked the guy, He goes,

709
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:58,599
have you ever seen something or an entity specifically use

710
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:05,280
Egyptian high glyphics in his sidral magic? And the man

711
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,480
looked at him and said, yes, I have, right, he said,

712
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:15,000
but that is angel magic in whatever they are. And

713
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,239
I'm telling you, I'm just shoot from the hip here.

714
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,480
Just because we may be right in the term or right,

715
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:26,199
oh yeah, they're falling, does not mean we have the

716
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,480
full synopsis of what they are. What they're doing makes sense,

717
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:34,400
it's it's not yeah so so, But that's what I'm

718
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,599
met with it. And I'm fascinated by that research, you know.

719
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,360
But that's that's just me. You know.

720
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: What you're reminding me of right now is like the

721
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:45,239
Zodiac Killer and how he talked and spoke and all

722
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,119
those different sigils.

723
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:49,039
Speaker 2: But it was a mix of all the killer, Yeah,

724
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,880
and it was a mix of all.

725
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,679
Speaker 1: These different you could say sigils, but they were like,

726
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,599
you had Egypt should hire glyphs, you had symbols from

727
00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:59,440
the naval intelligence, you had symbols from Greek Greek.

728
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: Let So what to me?

729
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: I look at that and go and I think Michael

730
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:06,920
Achino is directly connected with the Zodiac Killer, if not

731
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,599
one of the killers, but oh point point being, and

732
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:12,280
then what did he start order of the Nine Angles,

733
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,840
which is deeper into this kind of idea here.

734
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: So I think there's something to that in the acceleration,

735
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:20,719
this movement being a part of this. And of course Michael.

736
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: Aquino went to the castle I'm talking about, well, Himmler's

737
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,199
Castle and like did a whole ritual there.

738
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 2: So this connection seems to be really deep.

739
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 3: It is, it's profound, and it's pathological now. But that's

740
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,760
my frustration with the field right now. They're just trying

741
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,639
to smuggle in new terms to reframe a phenomenon that

742
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,719
they didn't didn't even believe existed, you know. And and

743
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,559
what what really troubles me is is like Matthew Matthew Roberts,

744
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:54,519
where it's like, Okay, why are you incorporating a demonic

745
00:40:54,679 --> 00:41:00,159
term in your extra terrestrial visitation because it seems to

746
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,639
be and I said this on my one of my

747
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,320
ex posts today or last night, rather that within the

748
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,920
Hitchhiker effect or within the attachment, it seems like euphology

749
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,079
is going to have to acknowledge a new taxonomy of beings.

750
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,440
And in doing that, what what it appears they're going

751
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,519
to do is ignore hundreds of years of researching that

752
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,280
particular pathology that doesn't exist. We're going to repackage it.

753
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,079
Now we're in charge of it. We're the leading authority

754
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:30,400
on what this is. No, you're not right.

755
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:33,079
Speaker 2: So it becomes physical and material only. It doesn't become

756
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:34,239
anything metaphysical or.

757
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: Spiritually, right, right, right, exactly.

758
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a technological phenomenon.

759
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: It's advanced technology that we're going to inherit by you know,

760
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,239
et cetera.

761
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: And it bugs me, to be honest with you, because

762
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,000
I see something shaping up that I just don't like.

763
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:54,400
And it's the rejection of case studies that would actually

764
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:57,159
give us answers. All right, I mean, you know, like

765
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:58,360
you're getting in parapsychology.

766
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: People can't form a new religion off of this if

767
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,159
you have the old ideology still permeating.

768
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: So you have to get rid of it, both the

769
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,599
good and the bad.

770
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: Right, So you have to get rid of both the

771
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,719
you know, all of it, you know, the demonology, science,

772
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,559
the whole you know.

773
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, it's like, okay, they're all extraterrestrials.

774
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,639
It's like, well, I mean even getting And I said

775
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:21,239
this one in one of my presupposed episodes the other day,

776
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,280
where if we're going to look at the Hitchhiker effect

777
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,199
as my level hauntings, which Lakatski and Clum color her.

778
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,039
They said that that these these researchers were again witnessing

779
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:37,239
apparitions of dead children, which is as dark as you

780
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,119
can possibly get. Yeah, you know, shadow figures screeching at

781
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:43,719
them in the night. They're scratched, they're a bit and

782
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,639
their touched there.

783
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,119
Speaker 2: Have you seen the shadow figure before?

784
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:47,559
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was a kid.

785
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,159
Speaker 2: I have two whenever I was a kid.

786
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,039
Speaker 3: Weird of that that? I don't know, man. I was

787
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,239
playing my my video game. I was playing Tony Hawk.

788
00:42:56,119 --> 00:43:01,079
I'm a nineties kid, guys, so Tony Hawk, Yeah, boys.

789
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: Let's go music playlist?

790
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,559
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, yeah, man, and I've been playing that. I

791
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:12,400
was playing that game that night, and you know how

792
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,280
it is like a I don't know how you like

793
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,519
to play a game. But back in the day, I

794
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,639
was like, Okay, all the lights are off, I got

795
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,079
my bright screen, I'm playing this jam into this game,

796
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,039
and I look at it's like, okay, I see something

797
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:26,199
moving out the core of my eye. I'm like, what

798
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,320
is that? So I look over at the window and

799
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,159
my eyes are adjusting to the darkness again. I was

800
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,960
looking at a bright screen and and there was this

801
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,199
featureless shadow figure looking at me, and then it just

802
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,039
kind of turned at something like that. Yeah, I was out, dude.

803
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:43,079
I went right into my parents' room, was like, yeah,

804
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:44,199
I don't.

805
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,159
Speaker 2: Stay to you. It stayed till you left the room.

806
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:49,559
Speaker 3: I don't know it was there. It was there last

807
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,119
time I saw it, right, I chuck out the deuces

808
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,400
and I got out of there. Man. But you know,

809
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:58,320
it does appear to those things happened.

810
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: Sorry, but I have those things happen like I were

811
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:06,360
nights and dude, I'll like it like clockwork, Dude, it's late.

812
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,519
Whenever it gets late, Dude, I'm seeing shit on the

813
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:10,800
corner of my eyes. I have a single time, and

814
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,000
anytime it hits like a certain time, I'm like just

815
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:15,960
ignoring it, you know. But I'll be like seeing shit

816
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:18,159
like moving, and I don't like feed into that shit.

817
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,000
But I also don't even think I think it's just

818
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:21,840
playing tricks on me whatever, because I have like safety

819
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,079
glasses on, so my it.

820
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: Could be the reflection of the like curved glass whatever.

821
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,119
Speaker 1: But when I was a kid, I definitely but I

822
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,079
get spooped by it more than I would if I

823
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:32,519
was on day ship, which is interesting. It's like your

824
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,760
mind enters this particular place when you're at night, even

825
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,559
no matter what, even if you're awake, you enter this

826
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,000
place that your that your mind enters when you're in

827
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:43,599
a dream state at night. And I've noticed this. I've

828
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,719
almost been studying like the state of mind at night.

829
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,960
It's kind of weird. It's different, you know, the energies,

830
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:49,920
everything about it is.

831
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: It's kind of cool. But yeah, yeah, it's interesting.

832
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: Whenever I was a kid, I woke up one night

833
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,440
and I saw a shadow figure and it just it

834
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:58,360
was like right outside of my door, and it just

835
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,760
went right across my.

836
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 3: Door, like that liminal state, you know. And I don't

837
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,719
even know if this is real or not. So I'm

838
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,840
gonna have to preface that, yeah, you know, preface this

839
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,480
with that. Rather, I remember one day I woke up

840
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,400
and these are things I don't know what to do with.

841
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,920
So people are gonna be like, well, Nathaniel, You're an idiot,

842
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,679
You're dumb. It's like, well, I know, I get it,

843
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,360
but I woke up. It was like maybe eight in

844
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,079
the morning, and you know how you kind of wake

845
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:26,199
up and your eyes are groggy. What I looked over

846
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:28,920
and again, I don't know what this means. I'm just

847
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,599
sharing what I witnessed. There was a gnome, a gnome.

848
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,280
He was about this tall, he was in overalls, and

849
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,239
he had a red mole right in his forehead and

850
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,079
he's just looking at me and then he disappeared. So

851
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:44,559
I don't know what that was. I don't know what

852
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,119
it means. It could have just been me still in

853
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:50,159
a dream or something. But it's very strange, you know.

854
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,079
I mean, there's so many creepy stories out there like

855
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:56,039
this with the shadow people. I know that, like the

856
00:45:56,119 --> 00:46:01,280
Amman's case and Gary Indiana. You know, there's such a

857
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,880
connective tissue here that the field is going to have

858
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,320
to acknowledge this because within the framework of the hitchhiker effect,

859
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:11,800
there is possession and people will say, I don't like,

860
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,960
you know that that's true religious? Okay, fine, strip it

861
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:18,599
of the religious connotation. There is still the commandeering of consciousness.

862
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,920
That's what the hitchhiker effect can and has done. And

863
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:26,920
so within this idea, okay, like of the apparitions of

864
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,000
their children, Gary, Indiana, the Ammon's case study that father

865
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:34,960
Michael Magano went investigated where their eight year old I

866
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,840
think it's eight year old boy is was discovered by

867
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,280
the mother in the closet talking to an invisible entity

868
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,559
and when she asked the child what was it, he said,

869
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:53,800
it was another kid who was dead. Was an entity? Right? Well,

870
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,480
that young man, that little boy became possessed by an

871
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:01,360
entity and is now in the act. They didn't want

872
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,840
to do it first of all, so that the family

873
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,639
took him to the hospital, and so you have all

874
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:08,360
of these nurses, you have the physician there. They're trying

875
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,039
to figure out what's going on with him. He's laughing

876
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:12,840
at them and stuff, and next thing you know, he

877
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,239
walks backwards up on the wall and then does a flip.

878
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,519
That's when all the nurses and physicians they flipped out, right,

879
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,840
he flipped, but they flipped out and they went and

880
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:30,360
got the priest. My point though, is that people don't

881
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:36,119
understand that this hitchhiker effect pre existed eupology by hundreds,

882
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:37,440
if not thousands of years.

883
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: The hitchhiker effect is describe that for people that may

884
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,000
not so well.

885
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 3: You know. So essentially what occurs as a researcher will

886
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,760
go to a space, a location where the phenomenon is

887
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,960
more present. They'll go and they'll they'll set up camp,

888
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:55,880
they'll set up their equipment, they'll try to capture manifestations,

889
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,760
and then next thing you know, things are popping off

890
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,239
in their household right where they go home. Like okay,

891
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,199
like Jay Stratton was that Skinwalker Ranch and while he

892
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,719
was still there, the phenomenon was in his house.

893
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: Wow. See And that's the thing.

894
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: It's like they're like giving people tours in the Skinwalker Ranch, dude,

895
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:19,159
and he's like, yeah, come towards so we could send

896
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:20,280
this ship back to your house.

897
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:21,639
Speaker 2: You know what is that?

898
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: Well, that is a theory that my friend Fringe has

899
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:27,519
proposed and I read on our accident. It's a brilliant point.

900
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,840
She's a brilliant researcher, or you know, she says she's not,

901
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,920
but she's a great research she's a bod experiencer. Anyways,

902
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,559
The idea, though, is that I kind of box this

903
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:42,199
in with my own my own theory too, where her

904
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,920
theory was it's possible that they do not want to

905
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:52,000
disclose the phenomenon because it would activate right a level

906
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,559
of the hitchhiker effect that we've never experienced as a species.

907
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,159
And this gets back to some of the conversations I've

908
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,719
had with my buddy Steve, where if you do pull

909
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:06,400
the mask off, how will this respond if we have okay,

910
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,079
I mean people don't get this like we've had like

911
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:13,199
Jim semi Van and other members of the research community

912
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:19,280
where like their wives disappear, like literally people go missing.

913
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:24,039
Speaker 1: Do you think this could be partially like Bluebean, like

914
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,119
you know, like the idea of like mailing it to

915
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,960
everybody so everybody kind of receives that that almost hitchhiker

916
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,039
effect in a weird way, you know, because I wonder

917
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,719
how I think that a lot of this technology goes

918
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,280
into this So I kind of view it through like

919
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,079
my lens of like sixty agenda, which is like all

920
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:43,559
this technology is here, Like.

921
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 2: Singularity is not about us. It's about us becoming silicon.

922
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:48,079
Speaker 3: You know.

923
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: It's not about AI becoming sentient per se.

924
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,199
Speaker 1: It's about AI becoming sensient enough to recreate itself so

925
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,840
that way we could then symbiotically connect to Yeah, and

926
00:49:57,039 --> 00:49:58,960
so you know what I'm saying, because then it can

927
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:02,639
almost incarnate itself in with us, you know, in a way.

928
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,039
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if that comes into this somewhere.

929
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,679
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you something, man, and this is I

930
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,840
want you to chew on this because it freaked me out.

931
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:11,519
Speaker 2: Now.

932
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: I heard Tony Robbins give an interview the other day and.

933
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: About the robot dog. What dude, it's like grifting.

934
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: This guy literally talks about how is AI we sold

935
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sold NFTs to another AI use that to make a

936
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real world.

937
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: Real world images of like robot dogs. We could bring

938
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:36,320
it with them.

939
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Speaker 3: Brother, Yeah, do you mind if I order a dog?

940
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:40,199
Speaker 2: Yeah?

941
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,159
Speaker 3: That's what he said. People, it's insane. Literally, I've never

942
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,239
heard anything like this, and it it really does. It's

943
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,239
unnerving because it's like, yeah he asked him right the inity? Okay, yeah,

944
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,599
they now the language is really coming right where it

945
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,719
was like, yeah, like, do you mind if if I

946
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,880
order a dog and then download myself into the dogs

947
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,000
where I can experience one of your teachings? Right, we

948
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,960
are way far ahead ahead than we ever imagined.

949
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,199
Speaker 1: And then what I took from that is now you're

950
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,039
convincing people that they could get an AI agent and

951
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,000
it will make money for them that they can then

952
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:16,199
spend in real life, which is like, come on, you're

953
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:16,679
gripting you.

954
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: This is bullshit. So it robbed me the wrong way.

955
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: It was sold as like an innocent story, but in

956
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,199
that story was wrapped so much propaganda.

957
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, Tony Robbins.

958
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,159
Speaker 3: Tony Robbins.

959
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: Man.

960
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,679
Speaker 3: So there's a lot to get into, man, But that's

961
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,400
really where I'm at, and I just you know, I

962
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,760
haven't slept really well in the last few nights because

963
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,360
I've just been kind of hammering at this point trying

964
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,440
to wrap my mind around what we're even talking about.

965
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,199
I mean, okay, like percentage wise, right, Like, who's to

966
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,719
say the phenomenon's not UFOs at all? Right? What is it?

967
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,840
Seventy seventy percent on a level of haunting? Right, So

968
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,679
I mean look at it this way. Okay, it takes

969
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,159
you maybe a thirty second witnessing of craft to have

970
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:09,000
five years of Hitchhiker. So WIT's crazy, It's insane. I'm okay.

971
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:11,519
Jay Stratton again, like he was at the Skinwalker ranch

972
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:13,679
for like two or three days. It was his first

973
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,199
initial visit, and then for the next five years. His

974
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,440
family is malevolly haunted. So yeah, I don't understand that.

975
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,320
And I think that that again La Catskin Color her

976
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,800
and all them, that what they're doing is that, from

977
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:36,079
my opinion, that's more disclosure than we've ever had. But

978
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:40,079
it's just not palatable. It's not and I don't want

979
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:43,199
to use this term weirdly, but it's not sexy enough.

980
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,199
It's not you know, cutting edge and cool. We can't

981
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,440
sell it. It's like, well, you know, no, like whatever

982
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:53,039
we're dealing with. Okay. For instance, you're talking about the drones. Now,

983
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:56,280
I know a couple of researchers that were in New

984
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:02,480
Jersey at the time these drone came out there, and

985
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,239
what was happening is they were sending up their drones

986
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,719
because they did a lot of aerial footage and stuff,

987
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:12,159
and they would get close to one of these things

988
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,440
and the battery would die and would just fall back down.

989
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,000
I remember one FBI agent is really weird stuff. An

990
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:22,480
FBI agent was given her testimony as to what occurred,

991
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:24,000
and she's like, you know, she goes, I was in

992
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:28,079
the house of my husband. Were eating dinner and we

993
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,840
hear a helicopter right above our house. And she's like,

994
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,039
you know, she goes, I was in the military before

995
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:38,760
I became an FBI agent. She goes, I've jumped out

996
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,360
of these things, like, you know, so I know what

997
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,039
a helicopter sounds like. And so her and her husband

998
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:47,239
like hunk her down, you know, like, what's going on.

999
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,000
That's crazy. She's like, it was literally on top of

1000
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,119
my roof and then my then my husband goes, you know,

1001
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,639
what's weird, baby, She goes, what he goes, There's nothing

1002
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:02,440
shaking in the house. It was just the So I

1003
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,880
don't know what's going on there. But my point though is, yeah,

1004
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:13,039
that it's possible that they're not disclosing the real phenomenon,

1005
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,119
and perhaps if they did, getting back to French's point,

1006
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:21,000
where if they did, who knows how the hitchhiker affect

1007
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,119
would respond.

1008
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that a lot of this has

1009
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,880
to do with framing it into the simulation theory in

1010
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,440
a weird way, you know, where you know, maybe these

1011
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,280
things programmed our reality, you know, and the more we

1012
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,679
contact them and connect with them, the more that we

1013
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,760
can you know, get technology or knowledge, you know.

1014
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,679
Speaker 2: And I believe that they've been operating on those principles

1015
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:44,280
this whole.

1016
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: Time, and that is what they what they believe to

1017
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,480
an extent. I'm not saying they don't believe it. I

1018
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:51,159
think they do believe it, you know. I just think

1019
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:52,920
that they're in the wrong camp, you know what I mean.

1020
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,599
And I think that we're only framing this whole idea

1021
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:58,440
of like simulation and computer because that's what we can

1022
00:54:58,519 --> 00:54:59,639
our frame of reference today.

1023
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:02,559
Speaker 2: Like spoken about before, it was a dream. It was

1024
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:03,880
this idea of like the whole.

1025
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,679
Speaker 1: Universe is God's brain and he's having a dream and

1026
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,960
we're inside of like one neuron inside of his old

1027
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,559
brain that's having a dream. And to him it's like this,

1028
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,360
but to us it's like all this time that we're

1029
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,440
experiencing this was the This was the old Buddhist Hindu

1030
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:19,880
belief right. And so I think that that has been

1031
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,880
rebranded as you look at like the matrix, right and

1032
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,119
you go, oh, I see, they've just rebranded it into

1033
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:28,840
this technological world, which is why I think it has

1034
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,599
a lot to do with uh disincarnate spirits coming back

1035
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:33,440
through technology.

1036
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: There we go and that's it would almost be technomancy

1037
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:38,199
in a sense.

1038
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, technology, I've got an episode on that too,

1039
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:43,320
because that is one.

1040
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 2: Hundred percent what it is is.

1041
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of what I'm referring to when

1042
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,440
I talk about like the digital temple. There. They're looking

1043
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,239
for this third temple, you know, to be built to

1044
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,559
like sacrifice animals again. And I think that it's deeper

1045
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:58,199
than that. I think it's you know, man with the

1046
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,360
water picture. Water is consciously, sir, consciousness will be poured

1047
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,920
into this new temple, which is this digital temple. And

1048
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,239
that's why I'm relating these two together in this way,

1049
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,559
because I think it's all connected.

1050
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,519
Speaker 3: It is connected. In one of the more chilling cases

1051
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:16,119
of abduction I've ever heard. It comes out of R. E. L.

1052
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,480
Masters book Aerosy Evil. It's the sexual pathology of demons.

1053
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: That's got really weird.

1054
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: Well, sexual pathology of demons, I bet you, I bet you.

1055
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,000
GE's similar to the what's that book where the sex

1056
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:32,000
Book of Looking Forward?

1057
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, there's actually nothing like that in there. Really,

1058
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:41,519
it's it's literally now it's dealing with familiar spirits, dealing

1059
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:44,840
with you know, obviously demons. It's what the book's about,

1060
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:50,960
but mainly like codifying the taxonomy of beings, like what

1061
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,639
they do and what they say. But there's very little

1062
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:57,599
of that at all. But there was one specific case

1063
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:02,599
that he docum and this blew my mind because you know,

1064
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:05,159
we have David Jacobs and others that says, okay, you know,

1065
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,639
abduction phenomenon just started in like the twenties, and it's like, no,

1066
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,639
you know that interface of the abduction phenomenon, you know,

1067
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,159
a ride of the twenties. But this particular case study

1068
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:24,480
where a woman was abducted by entities that she called demons,

1069
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:28,239
and the husband gets up in the night and he

1070
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,119
sees her of sleeping. The problem was it wasn't her.

1071
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:35,440
This is weird, guys. This is very weird stuff. Now

1072
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,840
I can understand, and in times past I've thought about

1073
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,440
whether or not that was her and that this was

1074
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,199
an actual outer body experience. I don't know. But the

1075
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,480
problem is that they took her to the back side

1076
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,960
of a mountain and she's told her husband and she's like,

1077
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:53,199
you know, she goes next thing. I know, I'm copulating

1078
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:59,239
with a corpse and with the demon, and I.

1079
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,679
Speaker 1: Just think about skinary movie. You remember scary movie. Every

1080
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:03,440
time I hear every time I hear you talk about

1081
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,840
every time I hear you talk about some chicken, you know,

1082
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:06,880
screwed by a demon.

1083
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,519
Speaker 2: I'm like, just thinking about this weird scary movie.

1084
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:13,679
Speaker 3: You know. Well, what's crazy, though, is that that entire

1085
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,639
scenario was a virtual reality thing, right, you know they'd

1086
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:21,000
have that word that that phrase we do now. But

1087
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:23,480
she's like, you know, she goes, I I like, there

1088
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:26,000
was a glitch a scene in the dream and she

1089
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:29,360
realized that none of this was taking place. She was

1090
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,519
at the backs of the mountain. She was in some

1091
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:33,760
kind of metallic room. She was being poked and product

1092
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,719
by metallic objects. That is a classic abduction scenario, and

1093
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:39,840
it happened in the Middle Ages.

1094
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, I had heard. I had heard about

1095
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,639
things like that where it's like, yeah, what is that.

1096
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,239
I mean, you know, in the metallic part. I didn't

1097
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,159
know about that part. You know, I had seen something

1098
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:52,840
that was kind of similar with like elves where they

1099
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,239
were like, yes, just like a UFO reduction, but I

1100
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,559
think they said shiny you know where it's kind of

1101
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:01,079
like it reminds me of like asked or as gard

1102
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:03,599
or whatever where it's like it's a shiny city up

1103
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:05,599
in the sky and everything, and I think that's you know,

1104
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:07,719
that's probably how they could describe these kind of things.

1105
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: But but what do we do with that?

1106
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:10,119
Speaker 2: You know? Right?

1107
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,559
Speaker 3: Because and this is what I try to stress in

1108
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,320
my lectures and interviews, where people want this to be

1109
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,000
so binary, you know, and even within demonology, if we

1110
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:23,760
buy into the idea that it's just this current spirits,

1111
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,039
it's like, well there's technonology being employed. Yeah, but then

1112
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:30,440
we have to go and and unfortunately, and people try

1113
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,559
to do this in the field and it's kind of

1114
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:34,639
what's kind of lappable where they have to psycho analyze, right,

1115
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:37,000
it's like, well, why would they have us? But it's like, okay,

1116
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,280
well what if they found a body again, what would

1117
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,639
they do? They would probably do what their fathers did.

1118
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:44,639
What are they you know? Don't mean, so you got

1119
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,400
to kind of think like that, right anyways, man, So

1120
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:50,519
I appreciate you having me on, brother, absolutely, Yeah, we

1121
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:51,800
could have this buddy. That was fun.

1122
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And definitely come on anytime you want to

1123
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:56,239
and let everybody know where they can find you again,

1124
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:56,679
of course.

1125
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh yeah, man, it was a pleasure for sure.

1126
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: It was great. You can find you in check and Wings.

1127
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,960
I'm just kidding, yeah, up a little wild Wings. That's

1128
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,400
where you can find Let's Go. You can find me

1129
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,519
on parasymposia dot com. That's my platform. If you guys want,

1130
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:13,960
anybody want to wants to contact me, there's a contact

1131
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:17,400
bar up there on the right of my platform anyway,

1132
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,840
so you can follow me on Instagram. I thank you Giles,

1133
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,000
and follow me on X. I am on X now

1134
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:23,440
do that?

1135
01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: Do that?

1136
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, definitely look forward to another conversation and welcome

1137
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:30,960
back on anytime and otherwise I'll be back for everybody

1138
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:32,840
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1139
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,920
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1140
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,880
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1141
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,880
Make sure to like follow all those good things one

1142
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1143
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Speaker 2: Go ahead and like and share the show. Love y'all,

1144
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