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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of The Chicks on the Right Podcast. Man,

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do we ever have a treat for everybody in our

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audience today? We are so excited to welcome Kirk Cameron

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to our show. Of course, he's an actor, author, producer, speaker,

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host of The Kirk Cameron Show, and we wanted to

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have you on, Kirk to ask you about your faith,

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your conservative values, thoughts on today's culture. But before we

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get to any of that, we wanted to find out

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if you remember meeting us in Todd Stearns's Fox studio

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back in twenty eighteen, because we remember it well.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think so. The short answer is no,

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and so let's let's just get that out of the

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way now to hurt your feelings. I'm sorry, not at all.

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Here is here. I think I've detected the reason because

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this is not the first time I forget my own

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like set by my own cousins' names from New Jersey

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week when we get together for weddings and funerals. Yeah,

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and I think I have a theory. It's because since

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I was a child, I was trained to have my

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short term ram memory filled with a new script and

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then exit it, delete it for new material that I

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had memorized for the next week's episode of Growing Pains,

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And so you know, if it's not locked into my

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like twenty year deep deep brain memory, it's just gone.

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Speaker 3: After least.

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Speaker 2: Is that fly?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, totally flies.

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Speaker 1: So we wanted to show you a picture of the

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three of us that we had. This again, this isn't

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Todd Starm Radio studio back at Fox.

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Speaker 3: This is my twine.

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Speaker 1: But the reason that we took note of it and

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that we will never forget it, it is because you

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and Daisy looked fantastic together, you and me. You were

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so scared of me and like gave me such side

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I and so that's why forever for me, it's like

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one of those funny memories where I'm like, Kirk camer

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gave me saidea.

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Speaker 3: You guys, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't remember, but it looked like, yeah, so I must

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have felt something sketchy.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, she is scary.

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Speaker 4: She's very very scary with her huge smile on those

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big white thief she's very very intimidating.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you ladies for having me on Chicks on

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the Right. I'm looking forward to talking with you about

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the culture and about the state of family and politics

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and spirituality or whatever it is that you guys want

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to run with.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're so excited to have you on. You're part

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of at least I will speak for myself. I think

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I also speak for MO. You're part of my childhood. Basically,

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I feel like we grew up with you.

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Speaker 3: So it's wait a minute, wait.

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Speaker 2: A minute, it's all coming back to me now. I

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don't remember meeting you on the Todd Starnshell, but I

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thought you looked familiar from back in the nineteen eighties. Yeah,

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it was the television screen.

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Speaker 3: It was me other direction, totally me.

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Speaker 4: We are both familiar, all gen xers. We grew up together.

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So it's really just a pleasure to have you on

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our show. We're gonna launch right it. So the first

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thing I want to ask you about is there have

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been a lot of stories over the past at least

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really past year a couple of weeks, there have been

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a lot that have popped up, really at least in

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my socials, but about toxic masculinity and how I feel

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like it's making a It's really weird that it's like

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we're even talking about masculinity making a comeback. It should

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have never gone out of style. But I feel like

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it's coming back, like the pendulum is swinging back. And

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I just I want to see what you think about

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masculinity making a comeback. As a father, a man of faith,

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what you think about you know, or how you feel

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about men and how they've been treated over the past,

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you know, ten twenty years and masculinity making a comeback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that's a good question. I've not

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talked about it per se, but and now that you ask,

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you know, I just I think that the men who

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have allowed masculinity to be minimized should lose their man card.

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I mean, it's just inherently a lack of masculinity to

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allow masculinity as men to fall by the wayside or

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to be defined by feminists who would like to tell

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men what it actually means to be a man. And

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so we've also seem to have been confused about what

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masculinity actually is. So with the advent of trans men

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and males having children, babies getting pregnant, this has all

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become very very confusing for our young boys. And I've

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got three sons who talk with me about dad, what

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does it mean to be a man in today's culture,

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when Harry Styles is wearing a dress and half the

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dudes I know are painting their nails, and you know,

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we don't want to be judgmental, we want to be loving.

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there any Is there any objective objectivity to gender and

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to and to sex. So I think that masculinity, according

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to my worldview, is something that's inherent in good families,

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in good societies, and that men and women are compliment

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each other, and that women don't make don't make great

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worlds without men, and men don't make great worlds without women.

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I don't think we're meant to. God could have made

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Adam and Steve, but he didn't. He made Adam and Eve,

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terms of their gender, he made them a harmony between

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male and female, and together they produce this miracle called children,

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and they populate a world full of people who are

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meant to love God and love one another and and

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be a blessing. So I'm thrilled to the degree that

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real masculinity is making a comeback. And I too, have

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met lots of people who have talked about uh, this

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need to figure it out again and get back to it,

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because we see the results of bad ideologies, you know,

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as soon as as soon as masculinity becomes toxic by

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pointing out some bad versions of masculinity, that's the slippery

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slope that sees masculinity go down the drain altogether. That's

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not good for men, and it's definitely not good for women.

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Speaker 3: It's not good for society.

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Speaker 2: And and and my daughters are asking the same question, Dad,

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where are all the men? Don't I don't want it right, Like,

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we're all for compassion in men, we're all for uh,

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these kinds of things. But the last thing I want

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is a feminine man. Where's the guy in, you know,

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with the boots and the forward truck, who's going to

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be ready to save me from someone or something that's

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trying to hurt me. I want to protect her and

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I want to provide her. I want someone who's going

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to be a spiritual leader in my life. I want

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someone who's got some testosterone that manifests in solid masculinity.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And you and your wife, Chelsea, you've been married for

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over three decades and you're such a good example for

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a traditional man, woman, family marriage. And so a lot

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of people I know had difficulty in the election when

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it came to especially evangelicals. A lot of people have

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trouble with Trump and sort of his brashness and his style.

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Shall we say, And I know you were asked recently

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how to square Trump's behavior within scripture? And I thought

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that was an interesting question that you were asked, and

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you had an interesting answer. I was hoping you could

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share it with our audience.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't remember exactly what I said, but i'll

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I'll hit refresh and try it again. Jordan Peterson said

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something very interesting. He said, if you're worried about the

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danger of strong men, wait till you see what dangerous

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thing weak weak men are capable of. And uh, we

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don't need weak men. We need strong men. Now. We

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don't need meet men who are domineering and who take

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dominion over women or over other men. What we want

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is to under to have a good understanding of what

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it means to be strong and courageous, what it means

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to be protective and to be a leader. And so

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with regard to Donald Trump squaring with biblical values, I

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would I would say that, you know, we could talk

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about the category of morality. We could talk about the

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category of politics and policy, his personal life, his public life.

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There are many things for which I am very grateful,

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and one of them is that the nation did not

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choose the horrible, wicked alternative of a democratic party that's

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been hijacked by an extreme leftist regime that is careening

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us straight down the sewer hole toward tyranny and bondage.

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The federal government, as is true in the history of

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all nations, is always looking to expand. George Washington likened

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it to a fire. He said, you know, government is

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like a fire. It's good when it remains a servant.

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If I make a little fire, I can cook my

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eggs on it. I can make a campfire in my

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backyard in the fire pit, and I can roast marshmallows

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with my kid and warm my hands by its heat.

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But if it grows and it's uncontained, it begins to

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spread and it will consume everything in order to grow bigger.

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And now you have a southern California wildfire that consumes

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ten thousand acres and one hundred thousand structures, and it

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is massively damaging. That's what's happened in China, That's what's

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happened in other nations around the world where liberty has

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been consumed and devoured, and that could happen in the

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United States of America too. So with regard to Donald Trump, yes,

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people can say, well, what's with all of the powerful

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mandates and this top down ordering. Yeah, we're in trouble

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right now. But I think he sees himself as someone

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who's got four years to make good on the promises

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of draining the swamp and trying to turn the ship

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around before we go off go over the falls. And

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so ultimately I like that he is protecting women, that

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he is protecting the borders. I love that he is

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doing so much for the pro life movement and protecting babies.

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I love what he's doingmically. I also I love that

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he acknowledges that he's going to be gone in four

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years and says, guys, this is just something tory, like

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a chiropractic adjustment. I'm going to try to put this

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right lesson. But ultimately, you guys are the muscles that

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need to hold it here, and if you don't, the

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whole thing's going to get out of joint again. So right, Like,

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I'm helpful, but this is not the way you want

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to run your country long term.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's kind of like rewriting the narrative and it

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goes back to the whole masculinity thing. I think conservatism

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is obviously part of that, where you know, Mack and

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I we've been doing this for I don't even know

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how many, like almost sixteen years now, we've been chicked

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on the right and that pendulum. It just we saw

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it swing so far to the left and we were like,

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is it ever going to come back?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, And I.

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Speaker 4: Feel like it's starting to come back because I look

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at gen zers.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have a fifteen year old.

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Speaker 4: You know, we have older kids that are millennials, but

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we also have a fifteen year old, and I see

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people kids her age that are openly Christian, openly conservative.

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They're doing that more so than the previous generation, or

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at least what I've seen I think, I mean, and

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I'm and it's refreshing to see that. Like they're just

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like loud and proud about it. They're loud and proud

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of it because we saw for so many years a

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lot of people would write us and say I'm conservative,

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but I'm afraid to say it out loud, you know.

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And now we're seeing kids going, yeah, I'm Christian, Yeah

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I'm conservative. Yeah, I'm going to say it out loud,

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and I love that. What do you what are your

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feelings on that? Do you think that that's going to continue?

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Speaker 2: So you know, my my crystal ball broke. So my

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thought is that, uh, it's good. Yeah, Conservatives and people

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of biblical faith are are saying I'm gonna I want

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to come out of the closet and I want to

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be loud. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not a fan

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of being proud, but I understand in the good sense

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you you want to represent your values. But being loud

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and being proud doesn't make you right. We have other

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groups who are loud and proud, and it's not right.

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It's actually damaging children, leading to chemical castration and physical

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mutilation of boys and girls in the name of being

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loud and proud. And so just like the Rainbow religion

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used to be in the closet, but now out of

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the closet, loud and proud with parades, Conservatives have felt

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like they've been in the closet when the pendulum swung

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that left way, and now they're coming out and being

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loud and proud. So I think that what our hope

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is is not a choice between left or right and

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being loud and proud. It's really the age old choice

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between up or down. It's either up to the ways

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of God, which lead to maximum liberty under law and

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Heaven's principles of truth, beauty and goodness, or we go

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down to the ant heap of totalitarianism and bondage. So

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we just need to really get back to the issue

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of the heart. I think the heart of the issue

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is always the issue of the heart. Do we love

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God and his truth and his ways. Are we going

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to follow them which have always led led historically to

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liberty and goodness and blessing. Or are we going to

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follow our own ways, which lead to tyranny and confusion

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and stress and the breakdown of family and the overreach

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of government.

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Speaker 4: But if there's one thing I think I was just

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going to say, there's one thing for sure that in

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the United States, nobody should live in fear of how

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they feel about you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: No, we shouldn't live in fear if I can if

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it truly. Except without the fear of the Lord, everything

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falls apart because you will then begin to fear other people.

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begin to fear that you'll be persecuted because of your values.

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their head back into their turtle shell because they don't

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want to get their head chopped off. So, yes, we

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don't want to be afraid of doing what's right, right right.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think to Daisy's point, you know when

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she and we mean it in a positive way in that, yes,

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so many people have been afraid to speak out, and

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it's been so I mean, we cannot tell you the

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number of messages we get from people who are like,

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can you say this on your show, but don't put

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my name on it because I don't want I'm afraid

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for my job, I'm afraid what my friends will think.

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particularly young people now that pendulum is swinging so that

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they are become especially men I mean, Democrats are right

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now spent about to spend twenty million dollars to figure

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out how they lost young men to the MAGA movement,

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and the answer is so clear that they've done everything

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they can.

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Speaker 3: To demonize them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to demonize them, to make them feel toxic, right,

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to find their voices. And I think that's what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Listen, we share a brain, so you targetly.

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Speaker 2: It's refreshing to hear it's refreshing. I love to hear

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that I know exactly what you're talking about. And that's

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why I you know, I just during COVID, I made

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one hundred consecutive campfires in my backyard talking about courage

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and bravery because we were under house arrest essentially in California,

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under lockdown by our governor, and we couldn't get six

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feet from another human being or go to school or

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work or church or anything. And so I love that

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people are feeling brave and courageous. We need it now

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more than ever.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever think about leaving California?

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Speaker 2: I did, didn't you? I not only thought about it,

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I actually did it. I now live in the state

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of Tennessee. We've lived here for about a year, Okay.

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Speaker 3: And it was COVID that drove you to do that, correct.

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Speaker 2: No, it was our children that drew us to do that.

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Our children grew up, they moved out of the house,

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and several of them lived in Tennessee. So we moved

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to be with them because we want to be with

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our kids. And then all of our kids moved here,

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and now we have a granddaughter here. So Sunday night

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dinners are back in full swing. So great, and it's great.

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We absolutely Tennessee, both California and Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tennessee's beautiful. I went to undergrad school in Tennessee.

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It's beautiful. And then once you're there, you're like, why

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did I ever? Why did I wait to come here

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because it's so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can give people one reason to wait, and

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that is the books.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So if you're not ready for a mosquito as your

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state bird, don't come to the South.

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Speaker 3: That's true. It's true. Yeah, it is true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Daisy's in Texas and I'm in South Carolina,

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and we have our share of everything.

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Speaker 2: Is California is just like bug free essentially in comparison.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but California does have its faults, as you've

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pointed out. I wonder, I mean, I know you said

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that your kids are what drew you out of California,

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kids were still there, would you have stayed? Or do

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you think you all would have been like Gavin Newsom

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is ruining the state.

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Speaker 3: We're out of here.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's hard to say. We love so much

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about California. We have Napa Valley, we have Yosemite, we

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have the ocean and the beach, we have the mountains,

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we have great weather three sixty five. So we love

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a lot about Tennessee. And God and his providence has

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us here for now. This may just be a strategic

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retreat where we learn how to build communities that are

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centered around faith and family and liberty and then go

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back and begin to plant those types of things in

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places like San Francisco and southern California where they need

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it so desperately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I have a question about the Firefly the Firefly Foundation.

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I get to say that fifteen times fast and Camp firefly.

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Can you talk about those because I didn't know that

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you did this and how did you get into doing this?

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Because this was started back in what nineteen ninety.

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with my now wife Chelsea. We played boyfriend and girlfriend

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at the time.

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Speaker 3: We remember I was so jealous of her. Oh my gosh, right,

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she's so beautiful. Jealous she is still she still is.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I didn't even know the hidden beauty in

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her until we had six children and I saw that

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whole side of my wife, which is just angelic. And

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now we've been holding a camp for terminally ill chill

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in their families for thirty five years, and it started

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when we were on the set of Growing Pains, meeting

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children through the Make a Wish Foundation and the Starlight Foundation,

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whose wish was to meet the cast of Growing Pains.

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So they would come with their mom and dad and

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brothers and sisters and take a picture and then you know,

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sign an autograph and they were gone, and we wanted

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to do something more to help them during this difficult chapter.

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So we started an all expense paid week long vacation

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and invited not just the sick kids, like so many

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camps do, and thank God for those camps, but the

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moms and dads were never able to participate in the

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activities and the siblings often get sidelined because of all

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the attention that needs to go to the sick kids.

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and so it's an intimate group of about seven families,

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and we spend a whole week personally with them and

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with our kids, doing everything from mom's makeovers, Queen for

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the Day, pool parties and pinatas with Mexican food and

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Hawaiian lu Al's on the beach and water skiing and

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a wild animal park and golfing and everything to make

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memories and find time to just connect as people who

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love our families and we cherish our children. It's called

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Campfirefly Love It and we're coming up on year thirty

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six this summer, and we would love if people would

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go check us out at the website and pray about

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supporting these families so that we can love them well.

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It's at campfirefly dot com and it's in Georgia, right,

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It's in Georgia. It's at a family resort in Georgia

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called Calloway Gardens.

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Speaker 4: I know exactly where that I grew up in Georgia,

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so I know exactly where that is. It's just fantastic.

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I hope people will definitely check that out.

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Speaker 2: I hope so. I hope so too. We want to

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keep doing this, yes, but we need we need help

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and support absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So tell people because I don't know if everyone knows

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that you are an author of a kid's BOOKOK right, yes,

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so talk about that, and then also let our audience

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know what other projects you have going on currently and

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where people can keep up with you.

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Speaker 2: So there's this really wonderful company called Brave Books, and

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Brave has this Book of the Month club where they

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send a brand new book with a pro God pro

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America value to your doorstep every month. And these are

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books that teach children about the fruit of the spirit,

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like love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, self control,

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and the First Amendment and the Second Amendment and all

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kinds of great things like warning about socialism, understanding the

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importance of telling the truth to your parents, and overcoming

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your own fears, how to navigate the lives of culture.

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So I wrote a book called As You Grow, and

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I had a great idea to go to a public

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library and read it as a story hour to children,

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and I was denied by over fifty woke libraries that

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previously held drag Queen's story hours.

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Speaker 1: In those you have shown up in a dress.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I bet.

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Speaker 2: If I came in fishnet stockings and high heels, I would.

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Speaker 3: Have been welcome totally DS But yep.

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Speaker 2: That outfit never looked good on me. And so I

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went as I was. And when we showed up, we

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were greeted by thousands and thousands of parents and grandparents

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who want to return to the values that they know

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built this country and will lead to their children's blessing

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and protection. So we've written many of these books, and

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we've also turned them into beautiful colorized, animated plus live

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action television episodes in a new series called Aggy and

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Mister Kirk. So think of mister Rogers neighborhood for our generation,

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for families today, with sesame street like puppets, including a

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little green, adorable iguana named Iggy that I'm raising in

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my treehouse in mister Kirk's backyard, and he has to

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learn all of these lessons that normal five year olds

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have to learn, like identity and trusting God and telling

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the truth, what do you do when you wet the bed?

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And forgiveness. And he has friends, including a vulture named

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Culture who's always lying to him and deceiving him. And

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he's got to rely on his mom and dad for wisdom,

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and he has access to a base Chat GPT, a

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non woke supercomputer who can tell him the truth. And

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it's just a runaway hit on Brave Plus. It's just

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about to be released on the Angel Studios app where

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you watch the Chosen and Pure flicks, so it's very exciting.

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It's called Iggy and Mister Kirk and people can can

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find out and watch it at braveplus dot com or

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download the Brave Plus app on your phone or TV awesome.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got a show or a couple of

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different shows.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about those well. I host a talk show

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on Monday nights called Takeaways, where I interview everybody from

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astronauts to atheists, pastors to politicians. Is really fun. I

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learn a lot. And I just launched a brand new podcast.

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It's called The Kirk Cameron Show, where I tackle politics

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and culture from a biblical perspective and help families find

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truth in a culture of chaos and find hope and peace.

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And new episodes drop every Monday, Wednesday, Friday on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Awesome very well, it's been a joy to talk with you,

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and I do forgive you for the side I'm.

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Speaker 3: Going to be over it now.

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad we got to show you the picture, honestly,

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because I've thought about it so many times and we

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posted about it, and I've it's been my claim to

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fame really that I got side eye from Kirk Cameron.

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Speaker 3: I got her growing pains. Basically, glad.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I could, uh glad I could make for

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a good a good story totally.

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Speaker 4: It's what a pleasure. It's just been a joy talking

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to you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we appreciate you you as well. Thank you for

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all your important work. Keep it up. We really needed

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paint