WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:00.720 All right. 2 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:03.919 After a bunch of snow and cold weather this morning, 3 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:07.559 it's trying to get warm downtown cloud coverage, but still 4 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:11.160 chilly for April. There's no doubt about that. RSL is 5 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:14.080 back in action. Coming up this weekend against the La Galaxy. 6 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:16.640 We will do a little RSL with Pablo coming up 7 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:18.879 in just a little bit. He apparently is the only 8 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:21.280 good sport over there because he continues to join us 9 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:24.719 even though there are not a lot of awesome things 10 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:27.440 to discuss right now. Good stuff earlier from Tom Habers 11 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:30.800 Show and Tim McMahon, but even though it's April, the 12 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:33.840 Madison Marsh continues. The Final Four is here. Our next guest, 13 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:37.560 our college basketball north star Ken Pomeroy, of course, Kenpalm 14 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:38.159 dot com. 15 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:39.960 Ken, Happy Tuesday, man. How are we doing? 16 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:43.000 We're doing great, spance. How are you? 17 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:43.600 I'm well? 18 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:46.039 So have you been able to take a few deep breaths? 19 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:48.159 Are you currently joining us from a beach with your 20 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:50.640 feet kicked up in a little drink with an umbrella? 21 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:51.679 Like where you at right now? 22 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.240 I'm in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. 23 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:59.000 It's not warm there, Ken, What are you doing there? 24 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.239 I don't know, I don't know. It's hard to explain, 25 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:08.760 but kind as far away from from home as I 26 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:10.959 could as soon as as soon as the tournament started. 27 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:13.519 Look, I've got a brother in law from Calgary, Alberta. 28 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:15.480 I went up there for the wedding. It's a beautiful place. 29 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:17.560 But in April. I mean, if we're dealing with snow 30 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:19.879 and cold in saw Lake, what are you dealing with 31 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:21.079 up in Calgary right now? 32 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:24.120 It's the same thing. It's almost the exact same thing. 33 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.840 But just like Salt Lake, I think next week it's 34 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:31.439 supposed to thaw out and spring will be here and 35 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:34.879 so I'll still be here. So that'll be awesome. 36 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:35.400 Ken. 37 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:37.280 I hate to break it to you, but I have 38 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:40.079 a feather in my cap as far as my college 39 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:42.120 basketball career that you do not. 40 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:43.000 Are you ready for it? 41 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:44.159 Okay? 42 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:44.640 Bring it? 43 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.680 Have you ever covered the college basketball crowd live in 44 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:48.480 Las Vegas? 45 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:52.079 No? 46 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.640 I mean yeah, there's only been one chance to do 47 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:55.200 that so far. 48 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:59.120 So congratulations, Ken Podmore like Spence Palm dot Com, I'm 49 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.439 gonna start my own way side obviously, I kid. Do 50 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.560 you have the context of the origin story for this 51 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:08.879 postseason tournament that Utah basketball was in for one game 52 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:09.879 before losing to Butler. 53 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:12.919 That the ordin story. I mean, I assume that's just 54 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.800 like a TV cash grab for Fox. 55 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:20.400 Right, Yes, but I wondered if somebody like you knew, 56 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.479 like ultimately, hey, why did this come about? We already 57 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:26.520 have the n I T and the CBI, Like, maybe 58 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.439 that's as simple as that. I thought, maybe there was 59 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.400 another side to it. But if you don't know Ken, 60 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:31.520 nobody knows. 61 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:34.039 No. I mean, the n I T is an ESPN property, 62 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.439 and Fox wanted they wanted in on the you know, 63 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:44.319 massive sub NCAA tournament demand you know that's out there, Spence, 64 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.360 and so they started their their own tournament with It 65 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:51.280 was expected to be all teams from you know, their 66 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.280 power leagues that they have under contract, but that didn't 67 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:56.759 quite work out. So they had to invite, you know 68 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.360 a few of these interlopers like Butlers, but they had 69 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:02.319 to invite boys eight and whether George Washington was there, 70 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:05.560 there's like three or four that seems. But yeah, that's 71 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:08.039 the exciting that's the story. I mean, that's pretty much 72 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:08.680 all there is to it. 73 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:13.680 Okay, Well, well let's just move on entirely then, and 74 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.439 now that the season is in the books, we'll do 75 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:18.400 some local stuff that we'll expand back. 76 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:21.319 Now that we'll expand back to. 77 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.800 Of course, the final four that's ahead, the tournament's taking place. 78 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.680 In some of your takeaways, and I'm going to just 79 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.159 kind of give you a little context. And this is 80 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.360 just simply my opinion. It's not coming from a place 81 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:35.639 of sourcing. It's not a situation that anybody has informed 82 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.080 me that this will be the approach. But you know 83 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.560 on the show, when I've talked to you about another guest. 84 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.039 Since the news came down, the Mark Carlin moved on 85 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:46.319 from Craig Smith and Alex Jensen became the higher we're 86 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:48.400 just doing our best to figure out what this new 87 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:50.120 era is going to look like, how Alex is going 88 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.960 to how Alex is going to approach it, and whether 89 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:56.520 it's Josh Eiler, the interim head coach who took over 90 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:58.960 after Craig was fired, with twenty years of experience in 91 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:00.919 the Big twelve, is a play in college and a 92 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:04.199 coach in college, or a guy like Jake Kallen or 93 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:06.719 Keanu Does who had his fifth double double in seven 94 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:08.680 games after Josh kind of played him in a way 95 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:10.919 that Craig just didn't. We're just trying to figure out 96 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:13.240 who will be back, if anybody, And I'm starting to 97 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.519 get the sense Ken did. I don't think anybody's coming back. 98 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:18.720 I don't think he's going to make hires off this 99 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:22.160 current assistant coach coaching staff that's left coaching the team, 100 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:24.639 and I'm not sure he brings any of the players 101 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:25.160 back either. 102 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.040 That's just my guest. Tell me what your thoughts are. 103 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.120 Yeah, I mean that would be my hunch as well. 104 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.759 I don't have any less knowledge about this, and I 105 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:37.000 didn't about the college basketball crown. But the way the 106 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:38.839 way you do business these days, when you bring in 107 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:40.560 a new coaching staff or ringing a new coach to 108 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:45.040 start with, I mean, they rarely pulled over assistance. Occasionally, 109 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.920 you might get one who's willing to stay over who 110 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:52.000 might have some you know, special recruiting knowledge or something 111 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:55.360 like that, or might be a guy who's survived through 112 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:57.399 multiple staffs and there is a local institution. But for 113 00:04:57.439 --> 00:04:59.800 the most part, the staff changes over, and I mean 114 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:03.879 for the most part, the team changes over, you know, 115 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:08.680 not not necessarily entirely. Chare Calhoun was able to convince 116 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.360 you know, two or three key players to stay if 117 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:13.319 Utah state and that was really important to him. But 118 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.959 you know, Danny Sprinkle and he was there, he started 119 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:17.439 over the whole new team and that that worked for 120 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:20.920 him too. And so yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't count 121 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:22.759 on much of the roster as much of the eligible 122 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:25.519 roster coming back. I mean, it does seem like you 123 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.600 can certainly start over with the clean slate in this 124 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:32.360 era of player movement. The flip side of that is like, 125 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:35.120 I don't know how much of a honeymoon Alex is 126 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:36.519 gonna get. I mean, he might get a little bit 127 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.160 because he's Alex Jenson, but you know, if you come 128 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:41.839 out and you know, end up at the bottom of 129 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:44.480 the of the Big twelve next year, like, it's not 130 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.839 going to be a kind of patience for that. I 131 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.600 wouldn't think just because you can go out and get 132 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.279 players now there is there's no he's no longer a 133 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:55.680 rebuilding situation. You don't need three gears to build a roster. 134 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.240 You need, you know, one year to kind of show 135 00:05:58.240 --> 00:05:59.439 what you can do in the transfer portal. 136 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.639 Let me ask you whether you have the Ken palm 137 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:05.199 metric in front of you or the Ken Palm eye 138 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:07.600 test in front of you. Are any of these players, 139 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.399 you know, because I keep reminding our audience and we 140 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:12.879 forget this, and we even forget a little bit with Byu. 141 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:15.279 We'll get to BYU in a moment. By us to 142 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.519 pick to finish ninth in the Big Twelve, Utah was 143 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.199 picked to finish last. So for a team that was 144 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:22.839 picked to finish last, at least they didn't do that. 145 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:25.160 I mean, I guess that's where we're at with the 146 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.040 basketball program around here in Salt Lake City. So they 147 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:32.040 did overshoot expectations. But based off of the knowledge you 148 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:34.160 have of this roster and the games that you watched, 149 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:36.800 are there players eligible to come back that you think 150 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:37.920 Alex should go after? 151 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.360 Well, I guess i'd frame it like that, like yeah, 152 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:47.120 like as are all stars. He's a Big twelve quality player, 153 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.120 I don't know, like a starter level, I don't know, 154 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.720 but like he could be on a roster at other 155 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:55.800 Big twelve schools like Troub Johns can can play a role. 156 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:01.240 After that, you know, you're kind of struggling, like can 157 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:03.000 new Dawes can play a role Like a lot of 158 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:07.879 these guys can can play a role, but pretty easily replaceable. 159 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.639 Advantage of keeping them normally would be like, you do 160 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:12.720 want continuity in your program, like you want guys that 161 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:14.279 have been through the system before, and you don't have to, 162 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:16.680 you know, teach a whole brand new group of ten 163 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.079 guys you know how you want to play the game. 164 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:22.199 But obviously that's not a factor here because you know, 165 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.439 you have a new coach and so you know you're 166 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.199 gonna have to teach everybody a new system anyway. So 167 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.399 from that standpoint, there's not going to be a lot 168 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:34.360 of incentive to bring back role players. But you know, 169 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:37.319 he somehow could to mental sorry to come back. I 170 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:42.120 think that would be of some value, you know. But 171 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:44.680 certainly this roster is going to just be heavily populated 172 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:45.920 from transfers. 173 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.839 Yeah, for sure, for sure, don't Only time will tell. 174 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.720 I think Alex is indicated both publicly and privately that 175 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:53.040 he's in no rush here. 176 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:55.240 He's going to take his time building this thing. 177 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.600 And he is still coaching alongside Jason Kidd and the 178 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.040 Dallas Mavericks, who look like there actually will be in 179 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:04.439 the play in because Phoenix is unserious, so Alex won't 180 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.600 be on the ground. You know, he's obviously his working 181 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.519 He's made two HighRes Wes Wilcox and Raphael Chilius. But 182 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:13.560 you know the rest of the stuff is going to 183 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:17.199 take time, and it makes it impossible to analyze who 184 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:19.560 Utah will be next year because we don't know who's 185 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:21.040 going to play for them. But let me ask you 186 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.560 a question about the Big Twelve, because you read about 187 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:26.920 apparently Kansas has a stacked recruiting class, Houston's going to 188 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:30.600 be awesome again, b YU brings in de Banza. I'm 189 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:32.000 not going to tell you that I've got, Like I 190 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:35.399 can't tell you who UCF is going after. I haven't 191 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:37.799 done a deep dive on all this, but this was 192 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.240 not a conference that was the best team in college 193 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:43.879 basketball this year that went to the the SEC. But 194 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:46.759 year and in year out, the Big Twelve is going 195 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:48.600 to be, if not at the top, close to the top. 196 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.399 So what's a Ken Palm expectation conference wide? 197 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:54.200 How strong will this conference be next year? 198 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.639 When Alex is trying to make his way through year one. 199 00:08:57.639 --> 00:08:59.960 It'll still be It'll be very difficult at the top. 200 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.679 Like you mentioned the key players. You can throw Arizona 201 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:04.639 in there, you can throw Baylor in there, and they 202 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:07.120 picked up a pretty nice transfer from Oregon State this week. 203 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:10.960 So all the all the teams you mentioned, except for 204 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:15.080 probably UCF will still be you know, outstanding teams. I 205 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.759 think the one thing, you know, the one one of 206 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:20.279 the reasons Utah sticked last in the league was partly 207 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.559 because not much was expected from them, but also because 208 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:24.639 there it wasn't obvious like who the worst team would 209 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.120 be in the league, Like all the teams were were decent. 210 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.480 You know, there wasn't a team that you look at 211 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:32.200 and like, oh, yeah, that's that's going to be an 212 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:36.200 easy win. And it'll probably be the case again next year. 213 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.600 I mean, I think I think this year was somewhat 214 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:41.960 of an aberration with the SEC being as strong as 215 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:44.200 it was, but certainly the top three leagues, you know, 216 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.440 the SEC, the Big twelve to Big ten. I mean, 217 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.840 what we're seeing from those three leagues is that almost 218 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:53.120 every team in all those leagues has some talent, and 219 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:56.919 so there are so on the one hand, when you 220 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:59.960 picked last in the league, yeah, you can overachieve, Like 221 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.519 there's probably like seven or eight candidates heading into this 222 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.399 last season that you know could have been picked last 223 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.480 for the league and you thought it over achieved to 224 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.879 some extent. The negative is that learned an easy wins 225 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.519 out there. So if somehow, I mean, it's great that 226 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:17.559 the alex is taking its time, and I I guess 227 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:20.600 in some respect I admire that he was able to 228 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.039 work out this relationship where he could finish things out 229 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:25.720 with the Mavericks and somehow still be the head coach 230 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:29.639 at Utah. But you know, he's still on the trigger 231 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:31.960 to fill out a roster and it doesn't take long 232 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:37.000 before a lot of these you know, attractive transfers are gone. Yeah, 233 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:38.799 I could. I would be a little bit concerned about 234 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:39.679 how next year is going to go. 235 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:44.000 Yeah, you know, trying to talk realistically to you fans 236 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.240 about year one. I think it's important because expectations knew 237 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:50.759 need to be set appropriately. But to your point, Ken, 238 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:53.600 because I used to say, I can remember when b 239 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:56.799 YU when uh, when Bronco menahall left b YU for 240 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.679 Virginia and most anybody that unders too what could come next? 241 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.440 Landing on Coloni rather quickly, And I've talked about this 242 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.480 with Larry Scoviak, Jim Boylan. 243 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:09.840 Coaches. 244 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:12.919 Typically the narrative is in college, like, all right, they 245 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:15.159 need four years, give them four years because that way 246 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:18.360 they get their recruiting cycle in over a four year period. 247 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:20.799 And sometimes here it's even more complicated because you have 248 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.440 the mission stuff and sometimes you need more than that 249 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:25.679 to let you know, recruits that you dialed in when 250 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:27.960 they were seventeen or eighteen that serve a mission, you 251 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.440 need an extra couple of years then to get back 252 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.279 so you can see what sort of hand they've been dealt. 253 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.440 What is what is your take on how long a 254 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:39.600 coach needs now in order to prove to a community 255 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:41.440 that he was the right hire, because you don't to 256 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:43.600 your point, you don't need three or four years anymore 257 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:47.279 to develop a program and build a team. 258 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.879 Yes, I looked at this during the season in terms of, 259 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:54.120 you know, what happens brillly in year one relative to 260 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.960 like expectation? Are coaches that do not meet expectations? Can 261 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:01.960 you write them off of you? And there was actually 262 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:06.519 a amount of predictability there, like you can't completely write 263 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:08.519 them off if they don't. And so I guess, like 264 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:11.120 relative expectations, like you thought the expectation coming to this 265 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:13.960 next season, I mean, you know it's gonna be bottom 266 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.559 quarter of the of the conference. But if they were 267 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.480 to end up ranked say one hundred and sixtieth in 268 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.320 my ratings. You know, they'll probably like preseason, let's say eightieth, 269 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:24.360 they end up like one hundred and sixtieth. That would 270 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:27.399 be that would be a pretty bad sign. Like not 271 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:29.159 you know, not so much that you're gonna fire a 272 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:32.399 guy after one year, but there are reasons for concern 273 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:34.799 at that point. And again it's not true for everyone. 274 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:38.679 You can find rare one off for guys flip it 275 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.480 in year two and overachieve after that, and it's not 276 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.000 really clear like what the transfer portal era, how that 277 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:50.039 changes the dynamic. But certainly, if you underachieve early, not 278 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.879 a great sign. If you overachieve early, probably a really 279 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.000 good sign. So you don't want to put the heat 280 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:57.639 on a guy in year one. But at the same time, 281 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:01.399 history would tell you that actually, like you can, you 282 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:02.960 can learn a lot about a guy in their first. 283 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:08.000 Year, and you can learn a lot about coaching styles, right, 284 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.879 Like I do think it's fair to say to youth 285 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.559 fans curious to know what this will look like under 286 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.440 Alex that, well, number one, you have to have horses. 287 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.919 There's no such thing as a great coach without great players. 288 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:22.240 Okay, So that's Alex's first task and the transfer portal 289 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:25.279 is open. We've already seen big names sign and big 290 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:28.840 names transfer and decide. But what do you anticipate based 291 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:31.080 off of your knowledge of Alex in his time with 292 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.279 the Jazz, in a couple of years with Dallas, and 293 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:36.080 of course being a pedigree, you know, a proteges I 294 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:40.799 should say of Rick majeris what schematically, conceptually do you 295 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:43.080 think the type of coach Alex will be for youth 296 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:44.720 fans to kind of expect next year. 297 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.360 I mean that's a great question, and it's somewhat of 298 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.600 a mystery because I think until you are fully in 299 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:57.240 charge of running a program or running a team, you 300 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:00.679 never really know what a guy is gonna do. I 301 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:04.240 would have I would imagine, yeah, it's really oddouse, Like 302 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.600 I would imagine he's like heavily into the time of Jaris, 303 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:11.159 Like that would that would standard reason. The Jarish style 304 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.559 really like cuts against the grain of what you know, 305 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:18.559 most young coaches are are doing these days. Like the 306 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.799 Jarrifs was very much about you know, controlling the tempo 307 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:25.519 and preventing transition. I mean that was like probably his 308 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:28.879 you know one hallmark was like he's not going to 309 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.799 give up transition buckets, and so he didn't really attack 310 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:36.399 the offensive class. Offensive possessions took a long time. Defensive 311 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:41.799 possessions took even longer. Hard to really hard to really 312 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:45.039 have a super successful offense if you're not willing to 313 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:46.600 take shots early in the shot clock, if you're not 314 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:49.519 willing to take a lot of three pointers, and so 315 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:53.879 you'd have to think, you know, the NBA experience of 316 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:58.919 Alex Jensen would alter that somewhat, like obviously, you know, 317 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:00.720 some of those Jazz teams he would on the bench 318 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:03.519 floor took a ton of three pointers, and so he 319 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:05.720 should be comfortable with that. So I don't know exactly 320 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.240 what he's gonna still hold over from, you know, playing 321 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.200 for and coaching under Majeris, and you know what he's 322 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:14.399 gonna bring with him from the NBA, But hopefully it 323 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:16.639 is more of the latter outside than the former. 324 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:20.440 All Right, moving over now to b YU before we 325 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.000 get to what could be next for them, because you know, 326 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:26.919 if you'd fan and look, it's I'm always careful when 327 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:27.720 I try to try to. 328 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:28.759 Draw these parallels. 329 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:32.679 But it only takes one big time commit and recruit 330 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:35.600 to put your program on the retrojectory, because when a 331 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:38.039 player like aj de Banta decides to play for you 332 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:43.799 and announces that on first take, I ultimately immediately ups 333 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.840 the visibility of your program and other players want to 334 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.440 play for you and with aj and by using the 335 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:51.399 mix with some other recruits. But before we get there, 336 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.440 my question with the Alabama game is simple, because it 337 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:59.200 was you who brought up the dynamic of Brigham Young's 338 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.440 lack of three point defense. You know, that was a 339 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:06.159 metric you had that indicated they're They're not just bad, 340 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.799 they're one of the worst teams in college basketball. So 341 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.759 did Alabama make shots at a historic level or did 342 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:15.559 by you fail guarding the three point line or somewhere 343 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:16.000 in between. 344 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.000 Yeah, I mean, all those factors came into play. It 345 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:25.240 was it was kind of stunning because obviously, how how 346 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:27.320 you defend the three point line is is a choice 347 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:28.639 that you can make game by game. You don't have 348 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:30.840 to do the same thing every game. I mean, yeah, 349 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.120 BYU had this long trend. They actually finished the season 350 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:36.360 fourteenth in terms of fourteenth highest in terms of the 351 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:42.000 amount of three points they allowed, and so obviously that 352 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:47.799 came into play in this game. That said, like Alabama 353 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:53.480 also was just unrealistically hot for the entire game. I mean, 354 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:56.360 there's nothing wrong with allowing a lot of three point 355 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:57.879 of time. So like in general, it's kind of a 356 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.200 sort of a sort of a stylistic choice. And we've 357 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:04.400 seen really good coaches, Jim Beyhein perhaps the most notably, 358 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:08.240 you know, play a style of defense that allows that. 359 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:13.480 It's just a little bit different when you allow Alabama 360 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:17.119 to do that because they're so willing to take shots 361 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:20.039 early in the shot clock. They're willing to take shots 362 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:22.359 from three or four feet beyond the three point line. 363 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:25.200 You know, they have four or five guys on the 364 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.640 court that are all willing to shoot it. So yeah, 365 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:32.559 I mean it was it was certainly there's something a 366 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.480 choice that what you made, and it could have worked 367 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:38.440 out like they you know, I really actually thought even 368 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.359 in the second half that like Alabama was eventually going 369 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:42.119 to go on a run where they missed like ten 370 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:43.720 in a row or something and by You would get 371 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:46.079 back in the game. It just it just never happened. 372 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:47.920 It just seemed like this year's BYU team is a 373 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:50.720 little more capable of instead of relying on kind of 374 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:54.079 a gimmick and you know, forcing their opponent or allowing 375 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:56.359 their opponents to take fifty three pointers. You know, they 376 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:59.519 could play more straight up, more aggressive defense. You know, 377 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:01.440 they have a little bit of rim protection in the middle, 378 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:04.000 so that if you forced Mark seriars are driving the 379 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.680 paint like you're not necessarily you know, just going to 380 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.079 give up an easy bucket to somebody. So yeah, overall, 381 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.200 I thought it was just a little puzzling. There was 382 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:14.599 never really an adjustment made there. 383 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.839 And on the other side, Alabama sold out to take 384 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:21.759 away the three and BYU still continue to hunt for 385 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:23.799 the three because they were getting their asses kick. You 386 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:25.319 got to get back in the game. I get that 387 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:29.680 six of thirty from three to twenty percent. And Foos 388 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.119 played seven minutes and in the seven minutes he played, 389 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:33.000 he went three of four. 390 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:34.720 He had nine points, four rebounds. 391 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:37.240 Like you and I discussed this, One of the things 392 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.079 that I thought that made this BYU team different and 393 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:42.200 a little bit more potent and dangerous than the one 394 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.000 a year ago that went to the tournament also as 395 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:47.480 a SUC seed, if I remember correctly, was their ability 396 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:50.160 to beat in different ways. What do you make of 397 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.119 what they did or did not do offensively to counter 398 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.319 what Alabama took away from them, which was selling out 399 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:56.680 the three. 400 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:00.359 Yeah, ultimately, you can't. I don't think you can fall 401 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:05.759