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Speaker 1: a second look at everything. Well, guys, I took a
Speaker 1: trip down the rabbit hole. Robert Seffer is a guy
Speaker 1: that I followed and listened to his stuff for quite
Speaker 1: a while. Very fascinating guy. He's got some really good
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Speaker 1: If you like listening to the stuff that I talk about,
Speaker 1: he probably goes in a lot deeper and more esoteric
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was an esotericist for quite a while, dealing
Speaker 2: with some pretty dark stuff during a rather depressing and
Speaker 2: dark time in my past.
Speaker 1: M well, man, I guess we can get into the
Speaker 1: meat of the matter. So sixteen sixty six Robert Zephyr,
Speaker 1: honestly just the date. You know, you've got the triple
Speaker 1: sixes and it's like, man, what is this book? About
Speaker 1: It's kind of a one of those books is kind
Speaker 1: of like a schmortgage board. It kind of launches you
Speaker 1: off at this certain date, but it spiderwebs off quite
Speaker 1: a bit, it does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we see a lot of big names pop
Speaker 2: up through this each Let's see what's her name, Blovotsky,
Speaker 2: And we're going to talk about Rabbi Zevy here in
Speaker 2: a little bit. I mean, there's just you know, an
Speaker 2: Adam Weishap, the creator of the Illuminati. There's so many
Speaker 2: names in this text that it pulls you into a
Speaker 2: rabbit hole and just keeps sucking you further and encouraging
Speaker 2: really to dig into these things a little bit more
Speaker 2: than the surface level that's really treated in this text.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because this book right here honestly could be
Speaker 1: a springboard into many other rabbit holes. Like you said,
Speaker 1: it kind of touches and goes on a lot of
Speaker 1: different things, but he makes all these connection points to these,
Speaker 1: you know, various rabbit holes. But and I told you
Speaker 1: pre roll, this was something that I've not really tooken
Speaker 1: a deep dive in, so a lot of this was
Speaker 1: new material for me. So it was kind of exciting
Speaker 1: for me. But one thing. Man, I got my notes here, guys,
Speaker 1: so as I read this, I took me some notes,
Speaker 1: so you'll see me kind of look into the side
Speaker 1: for mental references. But you know, I guess starting off
Speaker 1: with you know, Rabbi Zev. This was a guy that
Speaker 1: I had never even heard of, and the title of
Speaker 1: Messiah is attached to this guy. And most of the time,
Speaker 1: you know, us as Christians, we hear the word Messiah,
Speaker 1: we think of Jesus Christ. But this is a manned
Speaker 1: This is a man in sixteen sixty six that came
Speaker 1: forward and claimed to be that Messiah. Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of zeb before? Bt?
Speaker 2: Yes, Zev is actually one of the names that will
Speaker 2: pop up for anybody who studies Cabala, specifically through anything
Speaker 2: Golden Dawn related or even some of the Thelma information.
Speaker 2: You'll find Rabbi Zev mentioned through various texts written by
Speaker 2: a whole lot of different people, because he's kind of
Speaker 2: paramount in some of the deranged things that develop within
Speaker 2: those more wink wink nudge nudge communities in the occult world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought it was just crazy, because you know,
Speaker 1: he comes out and actually it's somebody else that propagates
Speaker 1: him to you know, come out and say he's the messiah. Honestly,
Speaker 1: he kind of had some nudges from some other people,
Speaker 1: but he had like over i think it said one
Speaker 1: over one million followers in his prime. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that he really made this man significant was
Speaker 1: his claims that he planned to redeem the world through
Speaker 1: acts of sin and even used the Talmuds you kind
Speaker 1: of back up his claims. So it's like, not only
Speaker 1: are you claiming to be a messiah, but you're telling
Speaker 1: people to do sex, drugs in rock and roll and
Speaker 1: all this tibacher to redeem the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean it stands right against what Paul
Speaker 2: writes and what is it Romans where he says, shall
Speaker 2: we continue and sin so that grace will abound by
Speaker 2: no means? And so it really flies in the face
Speaker 2: of Christianity when this central concept being discussed here is
Speaker 2: this inversion that we need to be more sinful to
Speaker 2: bring in more grace.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he only had a ten year run.
Speaker 1: He died in sixteen seventy six, but his work kind
Speaker 1: of carried on through a nook, you said. Another cobblist
Speaker 1: of Jacob Frank, right, and that was another guy that
Speaker 1: I'd never heard of, but i'd heard that Frankist title.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you start looking into some of these
Speaker 2: shootof cults that develop within the post Temple Judaism, if
Speaker 2: you will, right off the bat, early early first century,
Speaker 2: we start seeing the Mezerits. They're the first to show
Speaker 2: up on the scene, and there are several other Masonic
Speaker 2: figures that pop up throughout history. But when we get
Speaker 2: to Rabbi zev it's a little bit different in what
Speaker 2: he's wanting people to do. He's talking about this inversion behavior.
Speaker 2: And then yes, we lead into Jacob Frank who starts
Speaker 2: the Frankests and these guys. This is where a lot
Speaker 2: of the i'll use the word Pizzagate stuff is kind
Speaker 2: of early seventeenth century going on. So there's a lot
Speaker 2: of children's stuff going on that's real bad, real nasty.
Speaker 2: Some serious Mulloch worship, if you will, abortion things like
Speaker 2: that are spawning and kicking off within this particular Judaism
Speaker 2: if you will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll kind of dive into that. I want
Speaker 1: to just kind of give like a little kind of
Speaker 1: quick synopsis in whatever you know, rabbit holes, you think
Speaker 1: is worth exploring. I want to have just this as
Speaker 1: just a free conversation here. But another thing, like you
Speaker 1: had mentioned, is all these different connection points. And Jacob
Speaker 1: Frank actually one of his big things is he entered
Speaker 1: into this alliance with the Adam Weisshaup and Mayor Amstel
Speaker 1: of the Rothschilds. So here you even have some Illuminati, right, yes,
Speaker 1: but they claimed that, you know, through their infiltration of
Speaker 1: the secret societies like the Freemasons and things like that
Speaker 1: would help kind of carry out this global agenda that
Speaker 1: they had. And basically, I think if I read it correctly,
Speaker 1: that they were saying, like the the Freemason lodges was
Speaker 1: the nurseries for the Illuminati that they had these guys
Speaker 1: just kind of infiltrate and pick some of these guys out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's kind of like
Speaker 1: the secret club within the club kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Recruiting out of the Masons is pretty common. The Golden
Speaker 2: Dawn does it, uh, the uh Rosa Christians do it.
Speaker 2: So there's no real small surprise. I mean even within Mason,
Speaker 2: even within Freemasonry, the Scottish right will come and pull
Speaker 2: some people out of other rights into theirs. This is
Speaker 2: where we have the thirty three. It doesn't exist in
Speaker 2: some of the other rights. But to be a thirty
Speaker 2: three degree meason, you have to be a Scottish right mason.
Speaker 2: So there's a whole lot of stuff going on, absolutely, man.
Speaker 1: And another thing too, kind of carrying on with this
Speaker 1: guy here, this Frank, and we'll circle back to Zebby.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I just kind of want to give
Speaker 1: a little little quick timeline. It's good, but uh, during
Speaker 1: during this time uh with the Zeby and he has
Speaker 1: one million followers. Uh if you think about that, I
Speaker 1: mean that's a big number anyway, but during this time frame,
Speaker 1: this was basically half of the Jewish population in the
Speaker 1: seventeenth century. So, I mean this guy was really significant.
Speaker 1: And you had mentioned the frank guy that carried the
Speaker 1: torch on his teachings is known today as Louannick Cabal.
Speaker 1: Is that am I saying that? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Isaac Luria, So yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And then what's crazy too stands out in my mind
Speaker 1: was I remember reading can you remember the guy what's
Speaker 1: the guy's name that kind of breathed life into Zebby
Speaker 1: and told him, Hey, you know you're the Messiah, you
Speaker 1: need to go forward and do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, because that was the name that I
Speaker 2: didn't decide to write down because Zev was kind of
Speaker 2: like the main character in the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So well, when you look at Zev's story, if
Speaker 2: I can remember correctly part of what was going on,
Speaker 2: give me a minute here, because this is what was
Speaker 2: this Western Anatolia the time seventeenth century, and we wanted
Speaker 2: Zev was kind of being pushed around. I think there's
Speaker 2: some there was a sultan involved, Ottoman Empire.
Speaker 1: Rabbi Nathan.
Speaker 2: It's Nathan, that's it. Yeah, Rabby Nathan's this guy which
Speaker 2: is a real funny name. He could be pulling this
Speaker 2: in Nathan of Gaza. Nathan of Gaza.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh well I thought was crazy? Is you know,
Speaker 1: he was pushed to jump into this messiah role and honestly,
Speaker 1: with the times that we're in, it kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of Trump. You know. What's going on here is
Speaker 1: like he come in and his faith advisors all gathered
Speaker 1: around him and you know, basically build him up to
Speaker 1: be this messiah figure and tell him. You know, saying
Speaker 1: no to Donald Trump is like saying no to God.
Speaker 1: And you have the Jewish people painting him as the
Speaker 1: second coming of Cyrus and even calling him the Messiah,
Speaker 1: and he's doing this holy war right now, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of like with all that talk, now he actually
Speaker 1: believes it. You know. He posted that picture all over
Speaker 1: social media of him as a quote unquote doctor. I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, you know, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Rabbi Nathan's pushing this guy into into being this messiah.
Speaker 2: And you got Paula White doing it to Donald Trump. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: that's what I see too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he ends up getting captured and this is
Speaker 1: what I thought was even the if it wasn't insane
Speaker 1: enough for you folks, he gets captured by this Sufi
Speaker 1: king or prince and basically tells him convert or die.
Speaker 1: You're going to become a Muslim or I'm going to
Speaker 1: cut your head off. And the dude says, okay, ick
Speaker 1: my head, I'm going to convert. But he lost a
Speaker 1: little bit of his followers, but a lot of them
Speaker 1: doubled down and said, no, no, no, he has to
Speaker 1: do this. It's part of him redeeming the world. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a principle within Judaism anyways that you're allowed
Speaker 2: to do these things to save your self.
Speaker 1: And that blewed my mind. Right, I'd never heard of that,
Speaker 1: And like we had briefly mentioned, so he you know,
Speaker 1: condones these unholy practices of orgies. That's ultimately what got
Speaker 1: him kicked out the Samaria in sixteen fifty and had
Speaker 1: him wandering and stuff like that. That's how he ended
Speaker 1: up getting captured by this you know, Sufi king. But
Speaker 1: this whole divine spark thing, I'd never heard of that,
Speaker 1: And this if you don't care, bt, I know you're
Speaker 1: real versed on this stuff. Kind of give them an
Speaker 1: overview of, you know, their ideology. Why, you know, what
Speaker 1: are these divine sparks, how do they affect the redemption
Speaker 1: of the world, and why they think this tibautry is
Speaker 1: a way to salvation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is where we have to dig a
Speaker 2: little bit into Jacob Frank because he's the one that
Speaker 2: illuminates or writes down a lot of this information. But
Speaker 2: we can go ahead and speculate and talk about it
Speaker 2: a little bit here. Absolutely, so when we start digging
Speaker 2: around and looking at some of these various cults, I'm
Speaker 2: Rabbi zev is what I put into an apocalyptic cult.
Speaker 2: He's right up there with Jim Jones in my opinion,
Speaker 2: he's there with some of the early Jovah's witnesses, and
Speaker 2: he's he's basically someone who gets a lot of popularity
Speaker 2: by talking about how the end of the world is
Speaker 2: going to come about by doing certain things. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: that's all well and good to talk about how the
Speaker 2: end of the world's going to come by us doing things. Well,
Speaker 2: the thing was, and what makes it really compelling and dangerous, Dude,
Speaker 2: this is so dangerous is because psychologically humans know we're failures.
Speaker 2: We're going to fail. Even as Christians, we know we're
Speaker 2: centers and we're going to fall off and miss the
Speaker 2: mark continually. Well, Rabbi's v shows up and he's like, yes,
Speaker 2: it's this human sense of failure that is actually what's
Speaker 2: going to help bring about the end of the world
Speaker 2: and the return of the Davidic Kingdom so on and
Speaker 2: so forth, and the real Messiah or whatever's going to
Speaker 2: come or he's the Messiah, He's going to bring about
Speaker 2: the return of the Davidic Kingdom. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: a dude's about sixteen hundred and sixty six years late.
Speaker 2: He already came, but you know they don't buy that.
Speaker 2: So we're dealing with the world doc that is really
Speaker 2: struggling with guilt contradictions, that sin itself may actually serve
Speaker 2: as a divine plan. So it frees up a lot
Speaker 2: of people to go, Okay, I can go ahead and
Speaker 2: engage and do these acts, and I know that they
Speaker 2: are sanctioned by God because Rabbi Zev says so, and
Speaker 2: rabbiz V has the backing of another guy, Rabbi Nathan,
Speaker 2: And so we're looking at all of this and it's
Speaker 2: a big phenomena. Dude. Anytime anybody can get some kind
Speaker 2: of permission to continue behaving in their darkness, that is
Speaker 2: usually where you're going to get some of the cultural followings.
Speaker 2: And this is no different.
Speaker 1: Mm No, I totally agree. And so basically, the way
Speaker 1: I understood it when I was reading this is like
Speaker 1: they believed that God, when he was creating everything, he
Speaker 1: put his essence. Basically, he downgraded hisself and divided hisself
Speaker 1: into these uh eleven.
Speaker 2: Ten technically, so when we're starting to talk about the sparks,
Speaker 2: the ten Sepharroth, that's what we're calling. We're depending on
Speaker 2: who you're talking about. There's ten of them. There's an
Speaker 2: eleventh that's called and that was actually explored by Alistair
Speaker 2: Crole and it may or may not exist within the
Speaker 2: Cabbalistic Tree of Life. That's the that's the name of
Speaker 2: the item. So if you google the Cabalistic Tree of Life,
Speaker 2: you're going to see usually a map with ten spheres,
Speaker 2: the bottom of which is going to be here Earth Malcouth,
Speaker 2: and above it's Yasad that's the moon, and then and
Speaker 2: then at the tip top I do believe is Keer.
Speaker 2: I can't remember, it's Kefer or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't have my map. Yeah, okay, I see it. But
Speaker 2: even above that is as three emanitions of God, the
Speaker 2: A and the A and the a and sofor and
Speaker 2: so God being this, being light and being true white light,
Speaker 2: cannot basically, after the fall of atom, give his light
Speaker 2: to mankind because it's just too much. It's too much
Speaker 2: bright too. We wouldn't be able to deal with it.
Speaker 2: So he sends it down in these ten other spheres,
Speaker 2: and they're usually associated with planets.
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Speaker 3: people never think about what they're we do because preparedness
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Speaker 2: And that that kind of makes a little bit of
Speaker 2: sense because of how many planets are in our Solar system.
Speaker 2: And yes, Pluto is still a planet. I don't really care, Neil,
Speaker 2: you can suck it. Pardon my language, but Pluto's a planet.
Speaker 2: Pluto is very much part of the Coblist decree of life.
Speaker 2: The Babylonians knew there was a planet out there, and
Speaker 2: they knew it was there, so it's it's all part
Speaker 2: of these ancient, ancient ideas of God being incapable of
Speaker 2: interacting with humanity and having to do it through some
Speaker 2: kind of sphere, and it would require an intermediary and
Speaker 2: occultist and esotericis to be able to reach.
Speaker 1: Out and.
Speaker 2: Draw that light that spark down. Is that your question
Speaker 2: about the stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just kind of want him to because
Speaker 1: we have the opposition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could talk about the Kleepoat, which is the
Speaker 2: the dark opposite. I mean, there's due to the fact
Speaker 2: that when God that they're.
Speaker 1: Talking about in this book, that they have to go
Speaker 1: and cleanse to restore. Yeah, that's the opposite tree.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. And that's and that's kind of the goal
Speaker 2: of anes Cobblist too, the tree of life. The Tree
Speaker 2: of Life is given basically as a what we should be,
Speaker 2: what mankind should be, but we have this shadow it's
Speaker 2: it's something I explore on my podcast all the time,
Speaker 2: is the youngiin concept of the shadow self, and this
Speaker 2: is just something that's part of us. Well, that's the
Speaker 2: in Cabala, that's the cleep vote, that's the dark spheres.
Speaker 2: And they're pretty much opposites exactly as you see them.
Speaker 2: So if you see malcouth as earth here and all
Speaker 2: that's kind of in this world, that would be good
Speaker 2: and true and beautiful. The opposite cleap vote would be
Speaker 2: a malcouth but it's disordered, it's debauchery, it's sin, and
Speaker 2: you have to cleanse those by doing the things within
Speaker 2: that particular sphere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just gives you an excuse to party all night.
Speaker 1: I think it's just you know, hey, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just somebody's got to do it. You know, it's right, because.
Speaker 2: Being held accountable for your abuses is the hardest thing
Speaker 2: to deal with in life. Yes, absolutely, But.
Speaker 1: I got here. The notes says that, you know, Kabbola
Speaker 1: became a mystical mix of pagan teachings that predated the
Speaker 1: Torah and gnostic elements of Judaism, and texts like the
Speaker 1: Zohar say not to destroy evil, but to return it
Speaker 1: to the source, join the left with the right, and
Speaker 1: uplift the fallen sparks. And that's kind of what we
Speaker 1: just talked about there.
Speaker 2: Well, they get that idea because God says in I
Speaker 2: can't remember what book, I create good and I create evil,
Speaker 2: So you have to return evil back to God.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Madame Lebotsky's even tied into this, and she actually
Speaker 1: like condemns one section of this teaching and kind of
Speaker 1: praises the other. But she says that the Kabbalistic works
Speaker 1: of today are mistaken and only fragments of the true faith,
Speaker 1: which is the key to all religious systems. And she
Speaker 1: claimed that the Chaldean version of Kablo was most likely
Speaker 1: the Athanic version and the oldest, which uh, the Kaldian
Speaker 1: Kabbala Uh in the book of Numbers, you have the
Speaker 1: wisdom of the Hebrew initiates, is what they claimed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, shel Dian's the Chaldeans, the people in
Speaker 2: what is this southern Messopanamia which is modern day Iraq.
Speaker 1: Su Persia.
Speaker 2: Once upon a time it's a neo babylon area. So
Speaker 2: the problem with when you start looking at Kabala, I
Speaker 2: don't find it has any pagan roots. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of an interesting thing for me to say that, knowing
Speaker 2: what I know, I don't find paganism within it. I
Speaker 2: think this is a natural spur spawn of developing and
Speaker 2: looking at something like the Torah without any kind of
Speaker 2: vowel notes. So if you put when you start putting
Speaker 2: the vowel signs into the scripture, which is what we have,
Speaker 2: so we know in the beginning of barrow sheet, right,
Speaker 2: we know what the vowel sounds should be. Well, we
Speaker 2: didn't have that once upon a time, and a lot
Speaker 2: of these people believe that the Torah without the vowel
Speaker 2: sounds is the more pure Tora. And you can start
Speaker 2: putting letters together and forming other words from it, kind
Speaker 2: of like I'm going to call it a Torah code,
Speaker 2: and I don't mean it like Bible code style stuff.
Speaker 2: I just simply mean that you could put the beginning
Speaker 2: of this word together with the ending of that word,
Speaker 2: and you have a different word altogether. And these cliff
Speaker 2: quotes starts showing up. When we're talking about God creating
Speaker 2: the stars and the heavens to give us our calendar.
Speaker 2: He's talking about the planets, and so I don't find
Speaker 2: paganism in there, but you know, some people may think, so,
Speaker 2: I think this is this something that spawns right out
Speaker 2: of Isaac Luria, and I think that's the eleventh century.
Speaker 2: I don't have my note for Isaac Luria, but the
Speaker 2: Zohar begins right around there with him. And that's what
Speaker 2: he's doing. He's taking the letters. You know, So if
Speaker 2: I said, like in the beginning sheet beth resh Shin
Speaker 2: and talve, and he's taking the letters that would follow after,
Speaker 2: and if you were to begin baras sheet with an
Speaker 2: LF so because the Bible begins with a bee in
Speaker 2: the tour.
Speaker 1: Right, doc.
Speaker 2: So if you changed baracheet to begin with an LF
Speaker 2: and said, it would say ah bahra sheet. So basically
Speaker 2: the verse changes the father of the Beginnings creates the world.
Speaker 2: It changes the entire translation of scripture. And this is
Speaker 2: what's going on, right, And so they can add letters
Speaker 2: to make the words more true because they're getting this
Speaker 2: from I mean, they got their tinfoil hat on and
Speaker 2: they're receiving signals from sky or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what I thought was weird too, is like,
Speaker 1: you know, this stems and kind of branches off into
Speaker 1: what you called the you know, the sabat and cults
Speaker 1: like we had mentioned, but just the how paradoxical they are.
Speaker 1: You know, it says that the guiding principle of their
Speaker 1: faith was their movement. Whoever it is as they appear
Speaker 1: is not a true believer. True faith must always be concealed.
Speaker 1: It was their duty to deny it publicly. Literally wolves
Speaker 1: and sheep's clothing here, and they said, this is part
Speaker 1: of you know, what Zebby was doing. He was fulfilling
Speaker 1: this this law here. It's just it's so hard to
Speaker 1: keep up with man and then wrap your mind around.
Speaker 1: But after his death we see this set continue and
Speaker 1: I got in some of my notes here they talk
Speaker 1: about the wife sharing. That was something that they were
Speaker 1: real big on. And you see that with John d
Speaker 1: You see that with so many of these, you know,
Speaker 1: esoteric type people. You mentioned Alestra Crowley, he was all
Speaker 1: about this sex magic. But kind of it looks like
Speaker 1: this is kind of where it stems from. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the Eyes Wide Shut movie, Jeffrey Epstein and all these
Speaker 1: kinds of things. And even coming back to Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: I mean his book The Art of the Deal, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of woven in there he mentions that he has
Speaker 1: a Kabbalistic teacher.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, there's this. So one of the things that
Speaker 2: I find and I found this basically throughout this Texas
Speaker 2: we pull up specific names, right, so, Savi Blovotsky, Nathan
Speaker 2: so on and so forth. Right, Doc, So what's going
Speaker 2: on here? And this is very common within Colts Right,
Speaker 2: it's I have the secret knowledge and you don't. Therefore
Speaker 2: for you to get it, you have to do what
Speaker 2: come to me to receive this. Right. It's uh, I
Speaker 2: really believe Colts Dry draw some of the most narcissistic
Speaker 2: and disgusting people of human society to them to where
Speaker 2: they form, not to them, but where they form them
Speaker 2: and it and it just takes a little bit to
Speaker 2: poke somebody. I mean, come on, somebody had to been
Speaker 2: poking Jim Jones to do what he did. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure he didn't just think about in the blue someone
Speaker 2: that he had to have a rab by Nathan poke
Speaker 2: them along, say hey, you're this, You're that. Same with Blavonsky.
Speaker 2: She didn't come up out of know her. She had
Speaker 2: somebody pushing her to start doing this too. They all do, Crowley,
Speaker 2: Did they all have somebody pushing them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And that's as Christians. I mean, it's pretty plain
Speaker 1: to see the fallen angel you know, demonic rem kind
Speaker 1: of coming into that because the one thing I've always noticed, ah,
Speaker 1: you see that the the colin card or footprints you know,
Speaker 1: of these fallen angels and Napoline with this sex stuff.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like their calling card when you see
Speaker 1: sexual perversion and all this kind of stuff. I mean
Speaker 1: that that is their calling card. Like that Jacob guy,
Speaker 1: I mean he insisted u child sacrifice, rape, incest, drinking
Speaker 1: of blood was not only acceptable but necessary and that
Speaker 1: Jacob slipped with his followers. But he what's even more
Speaker 1: sick is that he slipped with his daughter, right. And uh,
Speaker 1: she even give her some kind of little exoteric you know,
Speaker 1: position and name in the cult. And she was known
Speaker 1: as the Lady or the Holy Matron, you know, which
Speaker 1: his mother. Yeah. Uh, and then we have this Chris
Speaker 1: Bloodsoe stuff going on today. What does he say, All
Speaker 1: these orbs and stuff appear to him, and uh, she
Speaker 1: manifests and calls herself the lady.
Speaker 2: Right, there's a lot going on, Chris. He said, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to remember back, but either Christis I think he
Speaker 2: have his dad because his dad's kind of part of
Speaker 2: this too. Uh. Mister the senior Bloodsoe said that God
Speaker 2: appeared him and said my name is I think that's
Speaker 2: what it was. I mean, if somebody's listening, they can
Speaker 2: look at that. Just go and look at that, because
Speaker 2: it's some of the most interesting things that God shows
Speaker 2: up and says, hey, my name is this. Well we
Speaker 2: know that's not what it is, because God reveals his
Speaker 2: name to Moses.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he precent. I was trying to pull up
Speaker 1: like an image of him that way people can kind
Speaker 1: of have like a reference if you've seen this guy
Speaker 1: on you know, he's been on a lot of big shows.
Speaker 1: Is called the Sean Ryan Show and a bunch of
Speaker 1: other ones. Right, Yeah, But he claims that he's in
Speaker 1: contact with the Lady and she tells him all this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and gives him, you know, revelations and
Speaker 1: prophecies and all these kinds of things. And that's a
Speaker 1: really interesting thing.
Speaker 2: You bring that up. You're familiar with the Babylon Working
Speaker 2: and the Crowley Cattle.
Speaker 1: There's like thirty thousand foot view, like I know him,
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, so by the guy I got in
Speaker 1: the desert and.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm sorry, we're rabbit holing here for a
Speaker 2: little bit, but give me a second.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: So the Babylon Working, you brought up this idea of
Speaker 2: the spirit appearing and saying, hey, I'm the Lady or
Speaker 2: I'm the matron or whatever. Okay, and the Babylon Working.
Speaker 2: One of the main goals is you have to have
Speaker 2: what's known as the Red Woman or the oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: is it the Crimson Lady or something like that. It's
Speaker 2: been a while since I've looked at I mean, it's
Speaker 2: a born again Christian. I really tried to stay away
Speaker 2: from where I came from, so a lot of this
Speaker 2: is just from lived memory. But you do this big
Speaker 2: time ritual and you make the Lady the Horror of
Speaker 2: Babylon show up, is basically what you're having. So that's
Speaker 2: what that lady is. That lady is quite literally what
Speaker 2: John writes about his apocalypses or the Book of Revelation.
Speaker 2: The the Horror of Babylon is who that is.
Speaker 1: And one thing I found too, because I'm recently I've
Speaker 1: been doing some studies and some of this kind of
Speaker 1: stuff for my next book I'm working on. But a
Speaker 1: lot of these people that say they're from this dragon court,
Speaker 1: you know, this serpent seed, tracing their lineage back to
Speaker 1: you know, semil and Lilith and all this kind of stuff, right,
Speaker 1: they that's where you get all these terms like vampire
Speaker 1: and wirewolf because that was these people. It's just it
Speaker 1: got you know, fantasized and really blew out of proportion
Speaker 1: and stretched because they yeah, they were really pale skinned.
Speaker 1: They were the fair folk. And yes they seen them
Speaker 1: sleeping and coming in out of out of tombs a lot.
Speaker 1: But that's because they practiced ancestor worship. And yes they
Speaker 1: did drink blood, but it was you know, menstrual blood
Speaker 1: from people in their bloodline because it, you know, they
Speaker 1: believed that it brought them power and things like that.
Speaker 1: And I thought about that, that horror of Avalon, because
Speaker 1: it was like a Eucharist for these people. They would
Speaker 1: take this blood, this menstrual blood of their dragon princesses
Speaker 1: and consume it. And then you have this scarlet lady
Speaker 1: riding a dragon with this cup and in the Greek
Speaker 1: it says with her cup of poorna lot abominations, it
Speaker 1: says Poornella. So I like, is that the menstrual blood?
Speaker 1: And she's writing this dragon and they say that Vladimir
Speaker 1: he was like one of the first ones to go
Speaker 1: through like their magi teachings and secret teachings, and it
Speaker 1: says the people that were selected to go through this
Speaker 1: were said to have ridden the dragon. Right, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that blew my mind.
Speaker 2: And then real dark stuff in history. I mean you
Speaker 2: start looking at both sides of this, because look, dude,
Speaker 2: the cults that are around, or I should the esoteric
Speaker 2: orders that are around today. Much of their things comes
Speaker 2: back to Jacob Frank comes back to Zen, goes back
Speaker 2: to Isaac Luria, goes back to people who aren't counter cultural,
Speaker 2: like Christianity. Christians, we're countercultural, right. We don't believe in
Speaker 2: aborting our babies. We don't believe in drinking other people's blood.
Speaker 2: You see, we don't do all these things that some
Speaker 2: other aspects of culture are absolutely completely okay with. And
Speaker 2: that's what you're supposed to be as a Christian counter cultural.
Speaker 2: These people are the drivers of accepted reality. They want
Speaker 2: certain things to be permissible, to give them permission to
Speaker 2: engage in them, so that their morality is no longer
Speaker 2: subjective or subjucated to the laws of God.
Speaker 1: Good point, man. Yeah, as Will said, and like you said,
Speaker 1: it stems back, and I want to kind of get
Speaker 1: into like what they're in go was what they're trying
Speaker 1: to push, and we'll get there. I actually have in
Speaker 1: my note like their goals and stuff. But it was
Speaker 1: very strategic, you know for those that's you know, wondering, well,
Speaker 1: how did it get here? I mean it was by
Speaker 1: design and it was so strategic, like that saying, you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to know where something's really rooted or
Speaker 1: where it comes from followed the money, right, so this
Speaker 1: Jacob frank guy or Jason Frank, he gets financed at
Speaker 1: Frankfurt and at the time this was the headquarters for
Speaker 1: the Jesuits and Adam Weisshaup, the founder of the Illuminati,
Speaker 1: and this was all funneled through the Rothschild's brothers and
Speaker 1: their financial empire. They were the ones putting forth all
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff and laying out the money for
Speaker 1: the plan, so to speak, and they formed their Illuminati.
Speaker 1: And everybody knows seventeen seventy six, you know, that was
Speaker 1: lines up with the you know, the American Revolution and
Speaker 1: things like that, and yeah, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't realize it was on May first. And I didn't
Speaker 1: realize this till I read this book and I've seen
Speaker 1: that because Robert Seiffer didn't point this out, but I
Speaker 1: knew this myself. You know, May first, that's bail taine, right, right,
Speaker 1: So they kicked this off on baill taneh. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what your thoughts on that was, or if you
Speaker 1: had anything to throw in there.
Speaker 2: The particular reason for doing it on that day of
Speaker 2: the year. I'm not one of the things within esotericism
Speaker 2: see that's that's usually Wicka Wicker really loves to pay
Speaker 2: attention to the feasts of the year. You know, it's
Speaker 2: it's honestly a joke. But because power isn't specifically on
Speaker 2: any particular day for the esotericist. So typically when you
Speaker 2: start seeing any kind of big thing being done on
Speaker 2: a on what would be considered a high holy Wicken
Speaker 2: pagan day, their thumb in their nose at us that's
Speaker 2: what that is. It's like I can do this and
Speaker 2: you guys can do literally nothing about it. And then
Speaker 2: it's at the same time waving their flag around and
Speaker 2: just trying to show it to the least common denominator
Speaker 2: that they are serving the serpent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which they were talking about how they believed in numbers.
Speaker 1: And this is something you see too in the Kabbala
Speaker 1: and some of this more esoteric stuff and you get
Speaker 1: into you know, jamatria and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But he was saying in his book here that you know,
Speaker 1: May was the fifth month, the first When you add
Speaker 1: those together, you know, five and one is six seventeen
Speaker 1: seventy six, which adds up to twenty one six plus
Speaker 1: twenty one equals twenty seven and this all goes back
Speaker 1: to this, you know, cabbalistic power in the numbers. But
Speaker 1: they reportedly had six main goals. And listen to this, guys,
Speaker 1: and tell me if this does not sound familiar or
Speaker 1: if we're not here. One Abolish all monarchs and governments.
Speaker 1: To abolish private property and inheritances. Three, Abolish nationalism and patriotism.
Speaker 1: Abolish family and marriages, communal education, and the abolishment of
Speaker 1: all religions right.
Speaker 2: Right, which would actually be a replacement of a religion
Speaker 2: with a different religion altogether.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Because humans, we are religious by nature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're sacrificial by nature too, whether we admit
Speaker 1: it or not. But you know, the smart people realize
Speaker 1: that we have the choice of what we sacrifice. You know.
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Speaker 1: and be sure and tell them that Doc Brown from
Speaker 1: Prometheus Lynn sent you Torches High guys. And what I
Speaker 1: mean by that, I'm not trying to be esoteric or
Speaker 1: anything like that. What I mean by that is like,
Speaker 1: if there's something you want you have to choose to sacrifice,
Speaker 1: you know, your time to work to earn the money
Speaker 1: to get that said thing. Or if you don't like
Speaker 1: listening to ads you know on your favorite podcast, you
Speaker 1: know you have to sacrifice a coffee a month to
Speaker 1: bypass the ads, you know. I mean, there's just things
Speaker 1: in life. Whatever decisions you make, you know they are sacrifices,
Speaker 1: so to speak. And then I guess going into this here,
Speaker 1: where was it at this whole Rothschild item wisehawp jesuit order,
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff we were kind of talking
Speaker 1: pre roll. Uh this even goes into the whole Zionism
Speaker 1: and modern state of Israel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was wondering when political Zionism would pop up.
Speaker 2: This is a really big one too, because that's Hurtzel
Speaker 2: I think his name was. That might be mispronounced. I apologize,
Speaker 2: but he's the one that basically said, hey, if we
Speaker 2: had a Jewish state, it would end anti Semitism. That
Speaker 2: sounds good, right, That sounds like a good idea because
Speaker 2: just a little while, you know, we have some we
Speaker 2: have some really weird stuff kicking off throughout like World
Speaker 2: War two. Hurzel's before World War Two, he's like eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: I think it is.
Speaker 2: Schofield Scofield was one of Hurtzel's buddies. And to get
Speaker 2: people on board, well, one of the biggest people you
Speaker 2: need to get on boards Christians. If you can get
Speaker 2: Christians on board to support the idea of a political Zionism,
Speaker 2: you could you could really do something. So Schofield was
Speaker 2: basically wrapped into that. So anybody's got a Schofield Bible, surprise, surprise,
Speaker 2: you're a Prosionist or the author was a Prosionist.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, which all sponts.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a child, it's a great grandchild of
Speaker 2: the stuff that Zabi starts with Jacobs Frank.
Speaker 1: Starts and so yeah, comes from this. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find this guy's name because I just uh didn't want
Speaker 1: to just be totally spitballing off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: But uh, it was with the rothschilds uh, this modern
Speaker 1: state of Israel. And you mentioned his name earlier. He
Speaker 1: was kind of like the guy that got this all started. Uh.
Speaker 1: And like I mentioned, these are the power players man, Uh,
Speaker 1: the roth Child's Uh they control uh that lot. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say here, yes, the the media, the money.
Speaker 1: Uh during this time when they were trying to form
Speaker 1: this Zionist movements. Yeah, it said that they controlled three
Speaker 1: media companies in Europe. Ah, let me think Germany, uh,
Speaker 1: in England, France, all these different places to try to
Speaker 1: form and get everybody into this, you know, nudging or
Speaker 1: pushing of this this idea here and the Rothchilds wanted
Speaker 1: to make another state of Israel and according now this
Speaker 1: is you know, this is subjective, guys, and this is
Speaker 1: from Robert Seffer's point of view. And me and BT
Speaker 1: was even talking about this. It's one of those things
Speaker 1: that's kind of muddy. You got to figure out, you know, well,
Speaker 1: this is this one person's point of view, and the
Speaker 1: yesty read this, this and this, and but they formed
Speaker 1: their opinion of that. So it's kind of like perspectual
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But they were saying in his book
Speaker 1: that you know, the Jewish people owned all these you know,
Speaker 1: media companies, they owned the banks and all this other
Speaker 1: stuff through the Rothschilds, and that they've been kicked out
Speaker 1: of all these other nations and they led what was
Speaker 1: that revolt in Russia?
Speaker 2: Ah, you talk about when they killed millions of Christians?
Speaker 1: Yes, oh right, that's I know, right.
Speaker 2: Because we're talking about this book and so many it's
Speaker 2: set up to look at the it's the Bolshevik revolution.
Speaker 1: Yes, Bolshevik, and that failed and they were kicked out
Speaker 1: and they it said or he claims that they all
Speaker 1: fled to Germany and that the Germans took them in. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he said in his book, you know that they
Speaker 1: were living their best lives in Germany, that Germany was
Speaker 1: good to them and they got to start all their
Speaker 1: businesses and they thrived. But this Zionist movement moved in
Speaker 1: and World War One happened, and they basically found out
Speaker 1: that the Jewish people and the Zionist movement are the
Speaker 1: ones that brought America into the war, and told them,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, we'll help you guys out and we'll
Speaker 1: bring America into the war, but we won't do that
Speaker 1: unless you give us, you know, a piece of Palestine
Speaker 1: and let us form this Sionis nation. And that was
Speaker 1: the whole reason that America even entered the war to
Speaker 1: begin with. So when the Germans found out about this
Speaker 1: that they were pissed that they were stabbed in the
Speaker 1: back by the people they allowed to come in their
Speaker 1: country and thrive when no one else would take them.
Speaker 1: So they started, you I mean, putting some pressure you know,
Speaker 1: on them, and it would sturn up some animosity in Germany.
Speaker 1: And basically they were like slaves to the Rothschilds and
Speaker 1: these Jewish communities because the banks, all the sanctions put
Speaker 1: on them from America and World War one that people
Speaker 1: were going bankrupt, losing their houses, and the Jewish people
Speaker 1: and the roth Childs are taking all the land and money,
Speaker 1: and they basically they had a federal reserve over there.
Speaker 1: It was their money, all this money being loaned out
Speaker 1: in debt. So, supposedly, according to Robert Zephyr, here's where
Speaker 1: Hitler rolls in and throws away this banking system starts over,
Speaker 1: starts printing his own notes and giving interest free loans
Speaker 1: and stimulating the economy. And this is why World War
Speaker 1: II happened, was because basically they kicked out the Rothschilds
Speaker 1: and the Jewish families and the bankers and they made
Speaker 1: their own money. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just Ibraham Lincoln wanted a debt, an interest
Speaker 2: free currency, and he was killed in a theater. And
Speaker 2: I do believe United States President Andrew Jackson was murdered
Speaker 2: for it too. Well yeah, yeah, he got shot at
Speaker 2: his head. I don't it was an assassination attempt. But
Speaker 2: you know, he survived that one. But but anytime we
Speaker 2: seem to have these interest free currency stuff going on, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is this is kind of a thing because well
Speaker 2: we see, we see Hitler arrests h Louis de Roth's
Speaker 2: child and and puts him under under arrest, and and
Speaker 2: then they start working on removing these particular Jews from
Speaker 2: their country. But there's a lot going on here. It's
Speaker 2: you know, there's there. They don't just have the media.
Speaker 2: Doc they have the media, they have the banks, but
Speaker 2: they also have the education system. And some people really
Speaker 2: miss that part of it, these same individuals who ran
Speaker 2: the education system. Mind you, we've been talking about pervert
Speaker 2: sexual actions, pervert sexual behaviors, pervert perversions of true and
Speaker 2: good and beautiful things. Right in nineteen thirty three, on
Speaker 2: I think it's May sixth or May tenth, nineteen thirty three,
Speaker 2: a student body burnt gets into the Institute of Science
Speaker 2: or something like that. I could probably find the correct
Speaker 2: name here if you give me a second, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: It's run by this dude, and his main goal in
Speaker 2: life was to promote and encourage people to explore being
Speaker 2: a different gender. Gender ideology was a big sexual science.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what it's called, the Institute for Sexual Science,
Speaker 2: and that was founded by Magnus Hirschfield. Okay, so this
Speaker 2: whole time we're pulling on the same thread. We're talking
Speaker 2: about this abuse of our bodies for sin. This dude
Speaker 2: pioneers the LGBTQ stuff going on in Germany, and we're
Speaker 2: dealing with a culture and a society that have been
Speaker 2: way back in their history some of the most chased
Speaker 2: clean kinds of people, even back when they're basically barbarians.
Speaker 2: We have individuals who have higher levels of morality than
Speaker 2: other barbarians of their own time. It's all documented. And
Speaker 2: so here's this dude. He's a Jew, and he's promoting
Speaker 2: LGBTQ work, and he's part of one of these probably
Speaker 2: cults that's designed to say, hey, it's okay to engage
Speaker 2: in child sacrifice, to child trafficking, etc. And this is
Speaker 2: kind of a disgusting situation. So it's not merely the
Speaker 2: control of media. It's also the control of the education system.
Speaker 2: And when that starts getting looked at, you really start
Speaker 2: going there's something nefarious going on, and you may start
Speaker 2: to figure out why they've been kicked out of one
Speaker 2: hundred and what seven countries throughout time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was one thing he talked about in
Speaker 1: the book too. He's like, you know, the victors get
Speaker 1: to write the story. He said, anytime you see good
Speaker 1: versus evil, black versus white that you know, that should
Speaker 1: throw up some red flags because it's never that cut
Speaker 1: and dry. And when you control the narrative, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can paint any kind of scenario you want. And he
Speaker 1: was saying too that there was were the Rothschilds and
Speaker 1: the Jewish people had all the money and the influence
Speaker 1: and the newspapers. They got to spend the narrative and
Speaker 1: they started printing and all their media across the world
Speaker 1: painting Nazi Germany in this bad light and turned the
Speaker 1: world against them, made them to be the boogeyman. And
Speaker 1: where they had all the money in control, there was
Speaker 1: only two political parties allowed in Germany at the time.
Speaker 1: It was the Nazi Party and the Zionist Party. So
Speaker 1: where they were getting all this pressure from the Nazi Party,
Speaker 1: they only had one other option to go to, and
Speaker 1: it was this Zionist Party, and that was by design
Speaker 1: that way they could get their Palestine movement. But one
Speaker 1: thing I thought was so wild was the word Holocaust.
Speaker 1: I never knew this till I read this book BT,
Speaker 1: and it blew my mind. We keep hearing about you know,
Speaker 1: every time you hear that word, you think of the
Speaker 1: Jewish people. Right. The first public mention of the word
Speaker 1: holocaust in regards to World War two came in nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty six from the Zionist Labor Leader and that's that
Speaker 1: company I talked about cham Weisman, and I might be
Speaker 1: mispronouncing that, but he says while addressing the World Zionist
Speaker 1: Congress he would later become their first president. He said
Speaker 1: this and quote, perhaps only two million Jews will survive
Speaker 1: the upcoming Holocaust, but they will be strong and good
Speaker 1: for the Land of Israel. The rest of it will
Speaker 1: be blown into the dust pile of history. And the
Speaker 1: first time or the origins of this word, when you
Speaker 1: go back into the ancient you know, Hebrew context, this
Speaker 1: was talking about a sacrifice, a sacrificial animal. Right. So
Speaker 1: this guy was pretty much saying, you know, he when
Speaker 1: he was looking at these Jewish people as people, he's
Speaker 1: looking at him like sacrificial animals. And he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the upcoming Holocaust, Yeah we may lose, you know, it's you,
Speaker 1: me and Jews, but it will be strong and good
Speaker 1: for the land of Israel.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I think there's yeah, I think there's something that needs
Speaker 2: to be said too, is I'm not against individuals who
Speaker 2: have a judaic faith. You could be yes, I don't
Speaker 2: care at all in their judaism. It's it's yes, right.
Speaker 2: The problem is is individuals who are disgusting reprobates of
Speaker 2: human existence that cause a lot of people to hate
Speaker 2: the entire body. And this is seen throughout time. Yes,
Speaker 2: this is this goes all over the place. A couple
Speaker 2: of people do, a couple of bad apples seem to
Speaker 2: sour the entire bunch, and that's what happens. And we're
Speaker 2: only pointing us the people who are nefarious, who are
Speaker 2: the ages of evil, And we're not talking about the
Speaker 2: positive things that have come through judaic movements throughout culture,
Speaker 2: throughout time, throughout history, because there are positive things that
Speaker 2: have come from them. But every time someone does these
Speaker 2: really big bad things, this is kind of where we're stuck.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, it's like we hate
Speaker 2: all of these people. I mean, Martin Luther hated that
Speaker 2: he was an anti Semier. He didn't like them at all,
Speaker 2: But that's not the case for most people today. The
Speaker 2: problem is these individuals who put a bad taste in
Speaker 2: their mouth when we see bad people doing bad things
Speaker 2: and they're tied to something. Well, the thing is political
Speaker 2: Zionism is not Judaism. I don't really care.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's a separation that's right now. I totally agree.
Speaker 1: And that's something that drives me wild in our conspiracy community.
Speaker 1: Prime example, I'm friends with the River Winds, you know,
Speaker 1: Chief Joseph and Laura Land. They're my neighbors. I mean
Speaker 1: they live, you know, twenty minutes down the road. Love
Speaker 1: those guys. But they really support Israel, you know, and
Speaker 1: they love tapping into you know, the Hubraic faith and
Speaker 1: kind of the feasts and holy days and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And I'm well aware of it, and I love looking
Speaker 1: into it because you see all the little hidden nuggets,
Speaker 1: you know, within the Bible. Once you get that, you know,
Speaker 1: ancient Hubreic perspective and the feasts and holy days, how
Speaker 1: there's so many you know, prophecies woven into these feasts
Speaker 1: and holy days into the Bible, all pointing to Jesus.
Speaker 1: I love that stuff. But like you, I call out
Speaker 1: the bad eggs and they happened to be quote unquote Jewish,
Speaker 1: and then everybody's like, oh, they're all bad you know,
Speaker 1: and that's a very broad brush and you can't just
Speaker 1: hate an entire racer group of people for the bad eggs.
Speaker 1: But that's what's happening. And I posted some pictures and
Speaker 1: video clips of me participating in a Last Supper of
Speaker 1: Satyr and immediately had people just coming at me, call
Speaker 1: me a little hat person, lover and all this stuff
Speaker 1: and just losing their minds over It's like, guys, this
Speaker 1: is where we got our faith, this is where our
Speaker 1: Messiah came through. You know, you can't just look at
Speaker 1: the evil, wicked ones that happened to be flying this
Speaker 1: banner and just say the whole thing is bad. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Something that I like to do is is I do
Speaker 2: want to take a bit of time if you don't
Speaker 2: mind talking about a little bit of psychology, because it's like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't think it'd be right for us to leave
Speaker 2: kind of an episode like this to say, well, why
Speaker 2: do these people believe in these like apocalyptic things that
Speaker 2: they're willing to do heinous things to promote this apocalypse
Speaker 2: and then the apocalypse never comes?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: We see this with Jehovah's witness. You know, Jesus is
Speaker 2: going to come on you know, Sunday June first, eighteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine, and the guy's like, oops, I miscalculated, I
Speaker 2: mean December first this year. And then it's like here,
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, I miscalculated that it was a physical return.
Speaker 2: I meant a spiritual return, and he's already come spiritual.
Speaker 2: You know, these this is a psychological thing that happens
Speaker 2: to people, and I think it's something worth exploring, Right,
Speaker 2: somebody should probably look at that kind of dynamic, because
Speaker 2: people don't abandon those beliefs when the apocalypse or the
Speaker 2: return of Jesus or the return of the Modi for
Speaker 2: some Islam doesn't come. Instead of breaking away, what happens
Speaker 2: is they they lead. It leads to a much deeper commitment, right,
Speaker 2: and it gets reinforced by new explanations like a new
Speaker 2: Schofield Bible. You know, we get these new things that
Speaker 2: come along for this pro political Zionism. And if you
Speaker 2: start looking at it, it's because, dude, people don't easily
Speaker 2: relinquish these frameworks that basically give meaning to their world. Right.
Speaker 2: You're so wrapped up in this and so when reality
Speaker 2: contradicts your expectations, we get what's called cognitive dissonance, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are a little bit more
Speaker 2: in the NPC, they don't really process a lot of
Speaker 2: things in a rational way. This happens. But what happens
Speaker 2: is instead of giving it a they just go, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to accept this new reinterpretation because when Zavvi
Speaker 2: stops off the scene, right, Jacob Frank kind of picks
Speaker 2: it up. This is what we see. And so what
Speaker 2: happens is they get a new reinterpretation. It leads to
Speaker 2: a new development of ideas that just carries these same
Speaker 2: kind of people forward in time.
Speaker 1: And they get the hold on to something that's right.
Speaker 2: It shapes their movements, it shapes their philosophies long past
Speaker 2: these original false events didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And I think.
Speaker 2: Psychologically speaking that really well psychologically speak, that speaks to
Speaker 2: the human heart, the human mind, the human incapability to
Speaker 2: go I was wrong, this guy was wrong, and have
Speaker 2: to go and continue to believe in things even though
Speaker 2: the evidence shows otherwise. And that's that's in my opinion,
Speaker 2: why a lot of the individuals who grew up in
Speaker 2: an environment that was like, yeah, Israel's going to build
Speaker 2: another temple, They're going to sacrifice another red heifer, and
Speaker 2: Jesus is going to come back. Ezekiel does excuse me.
Speaker 2: The prophets do speak about a second temple, and Paul
Speaker 2: gives us that answer. He says that you are the
Speaker 2: temple of the Holy Spirit, and God dwells within you
Speaker 2: if you are in Christ. So we know where that
Speaker 2: temple comes from. It's not another building. Even the prophets
Speaker 2: say that it's going to be not of flesh. But
Speaker 2: individuals who want to push and try to continue this
Speaker 2: narrative are going to keep pushing, keep reinterpreting events to
Speaker 2: hold on to this cognitive dissonance that they're experiencing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point, man, And that's something
Speaker 1: that I've always struggled with because I was like the
Speaker 1: old ways, you know, the temple and sacrificing and things
Speaker 1: like that. For that is, you know, the oldsmobile cutlass
Speaker 1: And here comes along, you know, Jesus in his perfect sacrifice,
Speaker 1: We no longer need a temple, for the spirit of
Speaker 1: God dwells within you. That temple veil was torn top
Speaker 1: to bottom, that that thing separating us from the presence
Speaker 1: of God is now gone. So now we got the corvette.
Speaker 1: We got the you know, the drop top corvette, letting
Speaker 1: the hair blow through our you know, the wind blow
Speaker 1: through our hair. Why the hell would we go back
Speaker 1: to the Oldsmobile cutlass? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to violate the principle within. I mean,
Speaker 2: it violates Christianity, right because the villain of Christianity is
Speaker 2: we the Messiah. Can we acknowledge him? And we are
Speaker 2: little Christ's way? That's what we're supposed to be.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, and yeah, that's just something that really I
Speaker 1: always kind of blew my mind that people, you know,
Speaker 1: clung on to that, and it just didn't make any
Speaker 1: sense to me. And we missed and I say we
Speaker 1: I talk about humanity. We misinterpreted the coming of the missile.
Speaker 1: You know, we thought he was going to be this
Speaker 1: political leader, free theom from Rome. He showed up in
Speaker 1: a completely opposite way of what everybody was expecting and wanting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think now, because we're so smart that we
Speaker 1: got it all figured out, and we know, you know,
Speaker 1: a third temple has to be built, we know this, this,
Speaker 1: this and this has to happen, and then boom, we
Speaker 1: get our you know, our Christ returning. And so it's
Speaker 1: like we got it wrong so many times, thinking we
Speaker 1: had it figured out and had it completely wrong, and
Speaker 1: they were so like you had mentioned. I love that
Speaker 1: they were so clung to their cognitive dissonance they missed
Speaker 1: the Messiah right in front of their face. So why
Speaker 1: do we think we're any different now?
Speaker 2: So yeah, talking about this book just kind of my
Speaker 2: little closing thought, dude, if you don't mind, is this
Speaker 2: is Robert Spain's book sixteen sixty six, Redemption through Sin.
Speaker 2: I had to go into this book prayerfully. I really
Speaker 2: had to talk to the Lord about it, and you know,
Speaker 2: just you know, when I reached out and I talked
Speaker 2: to you, I was actually already kind of working on
Speaker 2: this thinking about this text because like I said, I
Speaker 2: was an esotericist for a long time and I got
Speaker 2: into some pretty dark stuff. And this book brings up
Speaker 2: a lot of those memories, a lot of the things
Speaker 2: in my past that I that the Lord has washed away.
Speaker 2: My baptist I was baptized and I was born again
Speaker 2: and as a new believer when I was thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: Thirty years old, so that was thirteen years ago now,
Speaker 2: and so it's it's been a long time to go
Speaker 2: and go Okay, I need to look at this. I'm
Speaker 2: going to look at this with Doc Brown. I'm going
Speaker 2: to see what's going on here, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: have to go through it, prayerfelly. So anybody wants to
Speaker 2: read the book, I'm pretty sure you're going to put
Speaker 2: it in the show notes. But by all means, if
Speaker 2: you're going to read it, do it perfectly. There's some
Speaker 2: really dark stuff here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Amen, and uh, I guess before we let you go,
Speaker 1: of course I want you to plug everything again, of
Speaker 1: course in case somebody missed it. But uh, in your opinion,
Speaker 1: I don't mean to put you on spot but with
Speaker 1: you reading this and with your background, do you think
Speaker 1: that Robert Seffer's, you know, opinions and point of view
Speaker 1: with some of these things are are spot on?
Speaker 2: Do you think esotericism? His esotericism spot on? The stuff
Speaker 2: that he says about Crowley and here's spot on Blovotsky.
Speaker 2: Everybody that he brings up by name is one accurate.
Speaker 2: We didn't get into like the Skull and Bone Society
Speaker 2: stuff that's kind of mentioned in here, But are the
Speaker 2: templars that are mentioned in here? But this is all
Speaker 2: you know, this is all a cult history one on
Speaker 2: one really and so spare captures that really well, there
Speaker 2: are some things that are conjecture, some things that are speculative.
Speaker 2: Some of his conclusions drawn may not be accurate. But
Speaker 2: once again, who controls the media, who controls your mind?
Speaker 2: And who controls your heart is really the question.
Speaker 1: Oh awesome, man, will bet thank you man. I know
Speaker 1: you said you had an hour and you had some
Speaker 1: stuff you had to get off here and do. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, brother, But one more time before
Speaker 1: we leave. If I enjoyed you and want to find you,
Speaker 1: where can I find you? Brother? That's right?
Speaker 2: So I'm on Truth and Shadow Podcast. Truth and Shadow Podcast.
Speaker 2: You can find me anywhere if you google that. I'm
Speaker 2: on iTunes, Spotify, I'm everywhere. A lot of the episodes
Speaker 2: are going to be interviews. I interview a lot of
Speaker 2: different people.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: If you're a Christian and you're listening to this, I
Speaker 2: do interview people who are still practicing occultists. I do
Speaker 2: that because I need people to understand that these people
Speaker 2: believe in reality, that these things that they believe in
Speaker 2: are true, that these things because they are true. We
Speaker 2: have a light side, we have a dark side, and
Speaker 2: these things exist. But I spend a lot of time
Speaker 2: talking to a lot of Christians. I have a handful
Speaker 2: of really good episodes. I cannot tell students to go
Speaker 2: look at episode one twenty three enough. This is with
Speaker 2: Tim nichols Ay nichols Worth Bible Reviews. We do a
Speaker 2: really good job looking at at bibles and what people
Speaker 2: should probably buy when it comes to buying a Bible.
Speaker 2: I strongly recommend people read that. So once again, that's
Speaker 2: episode one twenty three. Please give it a listen, give
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Speaker 2: I am BT Wallace.
Speaker 1: Awesome man, Thank you so much, BT guys. Be sure
Speaker 1: to check you out. Love you guys, and just remember
Speaker 1: how the difference between the nome and the unknown, that
Speaker 1: is the journey. So good journey, my friends.
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Speaker 2: The same.
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