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I 10 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:34,880 often say that if you don't understand the outcome, reassess 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,560 your assumptions, right, and so my assumption for a long 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,439 time was that the people who are anchors, particularly at 13 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:47,759 the major networks, that that they are trying to do 14 00:00:47,799 --> 00:00:52,000 a good job, and they're you know, they're they're trying 15 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:54,840 to pursue stories, and you know they're they're trying to 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,920 bring light to certain things. Yes, they have bias, But 17 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:07,359 now I'm forced to reassess that assumption, specifically with Margaret 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,879 Brennan from Cbsnews dot com or not dot com. Well, 19 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,439 I guess they'll probably just be a dot com at 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,719 some point, But yeah, I assume that you get to 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,000 the top anchor chair at one of the big three. 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,000 You know, ABC, CBS and NBC that that you're there for. 23 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,519 You know the reasons I outlined, rather than to just 24 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:39,519 get posterized by every Republican that comes on your show. 25 00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:44,120 And apparently I was mistaken. This is what Margaret Brennan 26 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:49,840 chooses to be. She wants to be a meme for 27 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:56,599 the right. That's the only Like, I cannot explain how 28 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,959 somebody can keep doing the things that she's doing repeated 29 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:03,519 over and over again, unless, of course she's just stupid. 30 00:02:03,599 --> 00:02:06,079 And like, I'm trying not to make that assumption, but 31 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:09,319 I will go back and reassess my assumptions if this persists. 32 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,479 But right now I'm going with the she intentionally is 33 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:16,439 trying to get clicks or something, so she wants to 34 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:21,400 be I say, posterized. You know what that means. Posterized 35 00:02:21,439 --> 00:02:26,199 means it's like you've seen the famous pictures of basketball 36 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,360 players when they dunk the ball and there's always like 37 00:02:29,439 --> 00:02:34,639 some defender underneath them that's just getting worked, you know, 38 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:39,240 like somebody somebody's there to defend the goal and a 39 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,719 basketball player comes along and just dunk so on top 40 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:44,639 of them, and that guy underneath is like cringing and 41 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,240 recoiling and somebody's like, eh, jamming the ball, and it's 42 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,439 just it's like, oh, you got postterized, because then they 43 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:52,080 take that picture and they turn it into the poster 44 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:54,879 for the guy who's doing the dunking. Right, So it 45 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,479 seems like Margaret Brennan is simply interested in being the 46 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,280 person getting dunked on all the time, because man, she's 47 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,639 been getting dunked on a lot over the last bi 48 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,199 like what well since November, because Margaret Brennan, you'll recall, 49 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:09,800 she was one of the moderators at the vice presidential debate. 50 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:15,280 She cut off JD. Vance's microphone during that debate when 51 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,240 he was fact checking. He was correcting something that either 52 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:24,759 she or Walls had said, I forget and she didn't 53 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:26,479 want to hear it, so she cuts them off and 54 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,520 then that launches all of these dunks on her. So 55 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:34,919 over the weekend after JD. Vance does the speech in Europe, 56 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:36,960 and I covered all of that in the first two 57 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,840 hours of the program. If you didn't listen, go back 58 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:41,120 at the podcast thepepod dot com. Go back and get 59 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,840 the podcast and listen to the highlights of his speech 60 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:49,280 where he's basically saying just essentially, like you're elected to 61 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,680 represent your citizens, you should not be censoring them because 62 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:54,639 the things that they want or the things they are 63 00:03:54,680 --> 00:04:00,599 saying is of a different opinion than you shouldn't be 64 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,719 trying to clamp down on them because like, for example, 65 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:10,199 they want to limit migration into their country and you 66 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:13,879 censoring that speech. Or I got a message here also 67 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:18,199 from Chris, because one of the other examples jd Vance 68 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,519 mentioned was the free access zones and the praying in 69 00:04:23,639 --> 00:04:27,000 the privacy of your own house in a free access 70 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:32,199 zone could get you in legal trouble. And so Chris 71 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,360 wants to know, do you happen to know why Scotland 72 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,680 made such a draconian law as to punish somebody for 73 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,759 engaging in silent prayer even in the privacy of their 74 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:46,079 own home. So the free access zone is around abortion clinics. 75 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,480 So imagine, if you will, you live in a house 76 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:53,480 and then right across the street opens up an abortion clinic, 77 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,680 and then they map out an area around the abortion 78 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,319 clinic to be a quote free action excess zone, and 79 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:07,600 so you are now banned from praying silently in that zone. 80 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,199 And so as a form of protest of abortion right, well, 81 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,399 if I'm living in this house and you move in 82 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:16,759 across the street from me, and now I find myself 83 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:19,439 in a free access zone. You're saying, now I can 84 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:23,720 no longer pray privately in my own home against abortion. 85 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,959 First off, again, how would you even know that, unless, 86 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,560 of course, there's somebody in your family that's pro abortion, 87 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:31,800 and they rat you out because they know your anti abortion, 88 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,519 So they rat you out, your roommate teenager because man teenagers, 89 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,279 but like they would rat you out. And again, this 90 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:45,319 is one of the hallmarks of every authoritarian society. Family 91 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:49,600 members and neighbors reporting each other to the Stazi, to 92 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,759 the secret police. That's where all of the tips came from, 93 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,560 well the vast majority of them. It's one of the 94 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,959 dirty secrets about these authoritarian regimes. So after Vance made 95 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,319 his speech, then you get the German defense minister Boris 96 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,879 Pistorius gets up there and he's like, we have to 97 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:10,399 defend democracy. You know, we let everybody speak, which isn't true. 98 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:15,759 You don't you employ social media censorship tools to prevent 99 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,519 people from speaking, because you don't allow them to say 100 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:22,600 things that you think are you know, destructive to the democracy. 101 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:30,399 So then against this backdrop you've got CBS News Margaret Brennan. 102 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,120 Over the weekend, she has on the program for an 103 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:42,680 interview Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, and she makes an argument. 104 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,040 I must admit I had never heard this argument before 105 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:49,160 she articulated it, but then I went and looked into it. 106 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:54,639 But here's here's the argument she advances to Marco Rubio. 107 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:58,319 Speaker 3: Well, he was standing in a country where free speech 108 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,759 was weaponized to took a genocide, and he met with 109 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,800 the head of a political party that has far right 110 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:13,480 views and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context 111 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,720 of that was changing the tone of it. And you 112 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,079 know that that the censorship. 113 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,839 Speaker 4: Disagree with you specifically about the right. Now I have 114 00:07:22,879 --> 00:07:26,600 to disagree with you. The free speech was not used 115 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:29,079 to conduct a genocide. The genocide was conducted by an 116 00:07:29,079 --> 00:07:32,519 authoritarian Nazi regime that happened to also be genocidal because 117 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:34,920 they hated Jews, and they hated minorities, and they hated 118 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,800 those that they had a list of people they hated, 119 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:39,439 but primarily the Jews. There was no free speech in 120 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:42,279 Nazi Germany. There was none. There was also no opposition 121 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:44,839 in Nazi Germany. They were a sole and only party 122 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:47,279 that governed that country. So that's not an accurate reflection 123 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:47,879 of history. 124 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:52,279 Speaker 2: Correct. I never heard this argument that free speech led 125 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:55,680 to the Nazis? Did you ever have you ever heard this? 126 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,399 Apparently this is making the rounds on the left that yeah, 127 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,959 I looked in to it over the last twenty four 128 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,199 hours and sure enough, this is what the leftists are saying. 129 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,399 And that's why Margaret Brennan advanced it, is that somewhere 130 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,839 somebody sent out the talking points that. 131 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: Actually the free speech allowed the Nazis to occur, and 132 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:25,959 it's not true, much like the you know, the Second Amendment, 133 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:31,839 or i should say gun ownership issues in Germany, same 134 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:33,360 sort of, same sort of thing. 135 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: Like the left doesn't know these these historical points that 136 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,919 the right does because the right has had to argue 137 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:46,159 this stuff for dar near forty years. 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So she 174 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,799 makes this argument that, you know, the Nazis rose to 175 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,919 power because of free speech. Again, I had never heard 176 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,080 this dumbassory before, but I'd say, you know what I 177 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,399 got to take a look into it, is that even true. 178 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,559 I don't think it's true. But I kind of remember 179 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:15,039 something about Hitler being elected with not even a majority 180 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:18,720 of the votes because there were all these different parties 181 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:21,240 and people and whatever, and so like he got like 182 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:23,519 thirty something percent, and that's how he ended up getting 183 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,639 in and then you know him being an authoritarian dictator 184 00:11:27,759 --> 00:11:29,879 like that's and then he went about, you know, murdering 185 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:35,000 a bunch of people anyway. So so I started looking 186 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:37,720 into this theory. And there's actually a name for this. 187 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:41,799 There's a name for what she espoused to Marco Rubio, 188 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:50,200 which is the Viymar fallacy, the Vymar fallacy. And we 189 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:52,960 have somebody who shall explain it for us. This is 190 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,919 Nadine Strassen. She is a senior fellow at fire dot 191 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:02,200 org and a former ACLU president. 192 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 5: If Germany had only had anti hate speech laws and 193 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:13,279 had censored the Nazi speech, Hitler would not have risen 194 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,480 to power, the Holocaust would not have happened. 195 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:20,159 Speaker 2: Okay, that's the theory. This is from fire. 196 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:26,519 Speaker 5: Some experts refer to that theory as the Weimar fallacy, 197 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,639 referring to the Weimar Republic from nineteen eighteen to nineteen 198 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,600 thirty three, and the word fallacy because it is in 199 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,559 fact not true that there was free speech for hate speech, 200 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:45,919 including Nazi speech, during the Weimar Republic. To the contrary, 201 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:53,799 Germany then had multiple laws that restricted hate speech, insulting speech, 202 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,519 speech that advocated or might incite violence against various groups, 203 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:05,279 including religious groups, laws against defaming or insulting a religion, 204 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:10,159 including the Jewish religion, and all of those laws were 205 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:16,039 very strictly enforced, including by the leading Jewish organization at 206 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,879 the time. There was a very large organization I think 207 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,639 is quite similar in concept to the Anti Defamation League 208 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:26,279 in the United States that had offices all over Germany 209 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:30,039 and made sure that all of these laws were regularly 210 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:35,360 enforced through both criminal prosecution and civil lawsuits. And many 211 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,759 of the leading Nazis were repeatedly prosecuted and convicted and 212 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,879 even served prison times. There were court orders suppressing the 213 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:53,240 publication of various Nazi newspapers. Pamphlets that were anti Semitic 214 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:59,759 were punished and were suppressed. Hitler himself was actually banned 215 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:05,559 from public speaking for several years. We obviously know that 216 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:11,279 despite the speech suppression the punishment of speech, it was 217 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:17,159 hardly effective in preventing the rise of Nazism. To the contrary, 218 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,720 the Nazis themselves as well as many historians, believe that 219 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:28,440 the net impact of those laws censoring Nazis speech was 220 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:33,840 to amplify their message, to give them attention that they 221 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:38,440 otherwise would never have received and to gain sympathy that 222 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,840 they otherwise never would have received. This is a common 223 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,759 phenomenon that provocateurs to this day seek to take advantage 224 00:14:47,759 --> 00:14:52,440 of the so called forbidden fruits phenomenon that people become 225 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:57,320 more interested in an idea or an expression when it 226 00:14:57,399 --> 00:15:01,240 gets the publicity of being s to censorship. 227 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,399 Speaker 2: Well, now, Margaret Brennan is an idiot. Okay, no, she 228 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,240 could just be misinformed, but you would think before you 229 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:14,480 go into this line of questioning that you would ask 230 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:18,919 whether it's true or not right, or maybe she just 231 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:24,039 relied on like maybe she's a you know, Anchorman Ron 232 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,759 Burgundy kind of a character where he just puts something 233 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:28,759 in front of her and she reads it, and maybe 234 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:31,679 some producer, you know, all of twenty two years old, 235 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,120 saw it on a Reddit thread or something and they're like, oh, yeah, 236 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,480 this is it. Ask Rubio this. You know that's possible too, 237 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,480 But yeah, like I could see how that would backfire, 238 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,759 especially if you've got these Jewish organizations that are helping 239 00:15:47,799 --> 00:15:51,559 to shut down your speech. You then use that to say, 240 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,639 see that the Jews control the media. The Jews won't 241 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,799 let me tell you how awful they are. Look at this, 242 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,480 they're throwing me in jail, right, So it's like the 243 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:05,840 opposite of what Brennan said to Rubio, And good for 244 00:16:05,919 --> 00:16:09,799 Rubio for pushing back on her dumb assery. All right, 245 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:11,639 if you're listening to this show, you know I try 246 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:13,440 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 247 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,519 I know you do too, And you've probably heard me 248 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:19,799 say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because 249 00:16:19,799 --> 00:16:22,480 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 250 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:25,840 been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and 251 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:28,960 it's a website and it combines news from around the 252 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,639 world in one place so you can compare coverage and 253 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:35,600 verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, 254 00:16:35,919 --> 00:16:38,960 dot news slash pete. I put the link in the 255 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,200 podcast description too. 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All right, 266 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:21,599 so we have established that CBS's Maggie or Margaret Brennan 267 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,400 might be an idiot, but also she was wrong that 268 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:29,799 Hitler did not rise to power because of free speech. 269 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:33,559 In fact, there were all sorts of restrictions on free 270 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:38,559 speech in the Weimar Republic and that was actually helpful 271 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:42,000 to the Nazis because they got to play victim. You know, 272 00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:44,880 they're being oppressed and suppressed and they won't let you 273 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,359 know the truth and all of that stuff. So that's 274 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,599 the first thing that's CBS News. And then last night 275 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:59,240 CBS runs their sixty minutes magazine program. Does anybody even 276 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:01,599 watch it? The only time I ever see anything from 277 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,839 that show is when people are pulling clips to talk 278 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:08,440 about how stupid they are, or if it happens to 279 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,640 come on because I haven't changed the station after an 280 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:15,599 NFL show or a game, right if I'm watching the 281 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,720 Panthers and then like you know, usually they're they've lost, 282 00:18:20,759 --> 00:18:23,160 and I'm you know, I walk away at some point 283 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,440 usually you know, around the third quarter, and and then 284 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,119 I come back in it's like, oh man, what is 285 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,759 this sixty minutes that you know? And then I turn 286 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:35,440 it off last night sixty minutes and I have the 287 00:18:35,519 --> 00:18:45,599 story right here. The headline is Germany is prosecuting online trolls, 288 00:18:46,599 --> 00:18:55,279 which that to any legitimate media outfit that values freedom 289 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:59,079 of speech and the free press, that should automatically give 290 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,839 you pause. That should be sort of the the bright 291 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:08,680 red warning sign that something has gone awry in Germany. Right, 292 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:15,160 They're prosecuting online trolls, and it says here's how the 293 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:20,759 country is fighting hate speech on the internet. Spoiler alert. 294 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:26,200 It's not just quote hate speech, it's name calling too. 295 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,839 So if you call I learned a word by the way, 296 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:35,200 I learned a word. Umm, I don't want to mispronounce 297 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,519 it because it's a oh yeah, here we go. A 298 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:44,240 guy by the name of Groat, that's his name, and 299 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,440 somebody sent out a tweet and called they called him 300 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:57,160 a Pimmel PI M M E L Pimmel, and that 301 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,039 is a German word for the male anatomy. So Groat 302 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,119 got called a Pimmel and he was very mad. His 303 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:14,079 complaint triggered a police raid and accusations of excessive censorship 304 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:20,039 by the government. Accusations, Yes, that's censorship. If I can't 305 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:23,799 call an elected official a pimol, I don't want to 306 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:25,839 live in that society. I don't even know, Like I 307 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,400 didn't even know what pimmel meant, you know, And it 308 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:32,920 like of all the things to call somebody, really like, 309 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:38,200 it's not even you're a pimll. It doesn't even land, 310 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,960 you know, it's it doesn't have any kind of you know. 311 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,319 And I want my insults to carry some weight. I 312 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,039 want the weight of the word to land to do 313 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,559 maximum amount of damage, right, and Pimble is just not 314 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,119 getting it done, okay, which would be a different kind 315 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,839 of problem. But anyway, here is a clip from this 316 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:05,000 sixty minutes program. I don't know, I think your name 317 00:21:05,079 --> 00:21:09,759 is Ashley or something. The reporter you're gonna hear, and 318 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:15,200 she's interviewing these three German prosecutors, none of whom are 319 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:20,200 named Hitler, which was weird, but three prosecutors who are taught. 320 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:23,400 Listen to the way they talk about going after people 321 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,359 and the punishments that they are enforcing for simply saying 322 00:21:28,519 --> 00:21:34,319 things online that are hurtful, that are offensive. You offended somebody. 323 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,799 Speaker 6: It's illegal to display Nazi symbolism, a swastika, deny the Holocaust. 324 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,680 That's that's clear. Is it a crime to insult somebody 325 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:47,559 in public? Yes, yes, and it's a crime to insult 326 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:48,519 them online as well. 327 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:49,039 Speaker 2: Yes. 328 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 7: The fine could be even higher if you insult someone 329 00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:58,039 in the Internet. Why because in Internet it stays there. 330 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,000 If we are talking at face to four, you insert 331 00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:03,640 me and sold you, Okay, finish. But if you in 332 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,880 the internet, ifie and selled you or a politician, that sticks. 333 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 8: Around forever, the prosecutors explain. German law also prohibits the 334 00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:17,119 spread of malicious gossip, violent threats, and fake quotes. If 335 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,440 somebody posts something that's not true and then somebody else 336 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:25,000 reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime? 337 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:27,839 Speaker 7: In the case of reposting it as a crime as well, 338 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,359 because the reader can't distinguished whether you just invented this 339 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:33,839 or just reposted it. 340 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 2: That's the same for us. 341 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 8: The punishment for breaking hate speech laws can include jail 342 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,200 time for repeat offenders, but in most cases a judge 343 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,079 levey's a stiff mine and sometimes keeps their devices. 344 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,279 Speaker 6: How do people react when you take their phones from them, 345 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,440 they are shocked. 346 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: It's the kind of punishment if you lose your smartphone. 347 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:58,759 It's even worse than the fine you have to pick use. 348 00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:02,960 Your whole life is typically on your phone. Now you 349 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:09,440 can't access all your necessary data to conduct daily things. 350 00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:16,960 Isn't that a writ Oh my goodness, Guy Benson, Fox 351 00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:20,079 News contributor. He pointed out, if you look at the 352 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,839 faces of these three German prosecutors and the American correspondent 353 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:29,079 as they chortal over German citizen's bewilderment when their smartphones 354 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:31,839 are confiscated by the police for posting content deemed to 355 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:39,440 be insulting, hateful, and false, they're laughing about it. We've 356 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,240 become so reliant to do everything in our lives on 357 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,119 our phones, and so you take it because you called 358 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,160 a politician a pimmel, And so what judge takes and 359 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:54,039 finds you like one of the numbers I saw was 360 00:23:54,119 --> 00:24:00,759 like almost four thousand euros. And if you repost, retweet 361 00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:06,759 or like something that the German prosecutors think is too 362 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:11,279 offensive or as false, then you can have your phone 363 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,039 taken as well. Why would anybody engage in any kind 364 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,279 of public discussion of anything and of course, that's kind 365 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:22,759 of the point. It's to keep people scared so they 366 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:28,960 don't participate in their self government. And then, of course 367 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,720 you give preferential status to other people, protected people, privileged people, 368 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,480 so they can say stuff, they can do marches, right, 369 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,079 they can do a whole bunch of things, and they're 370 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,279 allowed to run wild. And that's why you're seeing the 371 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,880 rise of these populist right wing parties in Germany. It's 372 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,960 the same dynamic folks, and they will not learn from 373 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,640 their previous mistakes in the Weimar Republic. Apparently. All right, 374 00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:58,440 I hope you had a happy holiday season. But tell 375 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,039 me if something like this happened that your house, Your 376 00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:03,519 family and friends are gathered around. 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Just laughing and cheering somebody calling elon 397 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,440 a similar word on TV like a week ago? Or 398 00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:17,440 is that different? Yes, that's different because Democrats did it. 399 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:22,400 It's always different when they do it. Hey, these are 400 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,319 the same people, think about it that spread lies about 401 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,000 JD Vance and a couch thought it was hilarious, right, 402 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:35,559 and now they're over highlighting how the German government will 403 00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:39,480 take your phone and find you thousands of dollars if 404 00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:43,440 you call a politician a Pimmel? Can I say Pimmel 405 00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:45,960 on the FCC era, I think I can. No, you 406 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,720 don't think I can. It's just no, it's an anatomical 407 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:55,000 correct term. That's all. That's Hey, can we bleep that 408 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,440 just to be safe? Stephen Miller, a writer for The Spectator, 409 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,440 He says so on CBS News Today. In one single day, 410 00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:08,680 their lead Sunday morning show hosts claimed free speech led 411 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,559 to a holocaust in World War II, and then their 412 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:16,519 most recognizable news program featured pandering interviews and an endorsement 413 00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:21,200 of German criminalization of speech laws. Also, this was all 414 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,240 in service against a sitting Vice president, whom the same host, 415 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,000 Margaret Brennan, during a nationally televised debate, cut the microphone 416 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,200 while Vance was calmly debating an opposition parties border policy. 417 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,519 He says, so, I just hope everybody is pretty clear 418 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,599 eyed on what is happening and what corporate media conglomerates 419 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,000 are screaming at you in the face about what they think, 420 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,680 believe and will act on. Right, this is what we 421 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,400 like to refer to as a clarifying moment. Very clear, Right, 422 00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:01,000 this is very clear what's going on. They're talking about 423 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:08,599 in positive terms speech laws to imprison to fine, to 424 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:15,680 punish people for calling politicians anatomical parts. They think it's 425 00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:20,640 they think it's just fine. Dozens of police teams across 426 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:24,519 Germany raided homes before dawn in a coordinated crackdown on 427 00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,640 a recent Tuesday. The state police were not looking for 428 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:30,880 drugs or guns. They were looking for people suspected of 429 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,839 posting hate speech. John Ly, as prosecutors explain it, the 430 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,880 German constitution protects free speech, but not hate speech. See 431 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,559 that's a different thing. And here's where it gets tricky, 432 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,480 says sixty Minutes. German law prohibits speech that could incite 433 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:54,720 hatred or is deemed insulting. You can't even insult people 434 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,160 on social media, which I think that's the whole point 435 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:03,480 for its existence. Perpetrators are sometimes surprised to learn that 436 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:08,160 what they post online is illegal. According to doctor Mathoo's Fink, 437 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,559 one of the state prosecutor, I think that's how he 438 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:13,559 pronounces it, one of the state prosecutors tasked with policing 439 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:20,799 Germany's robust hate speech laws. Authorities are prosecuting online trolls 440 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,559 in an effort to protect discourse and democracy. You knew 441 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,960 that was coming, right, Yeah, Sorry, you can't call that 442 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:35,279 politician a pimmel because if you do, democracy dies. We're 443 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,480 just protecting discourse. You see, it is a crime to 444 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,160 publicly insult or. It can be a crime to publicly 445 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:51,079 insult somebody in Germany. The other two voices you heard 446 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:55,559 on that clip Svenja mining house or Mainning mainging house, 447 00:29:55,759 --> 00:30:01,240 something or other, Frank Michael lau whatever. In twenty fifteen, 448 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:05,319 a video of a local politician named Walter Lubke went 449 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,880 viral after he defended then Chancellor Angela Merkle's progressive immigration policy. 450 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,480 Loubkey was fatally shot in the head after he made 451 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:20,039 that speech. The video went viral and he was murdered 452 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,279 four years later. He was murdered four years Okay, so 453 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,039 that's the reason why they passed this law. Supposedly, that's 454 00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:33,359 what Although the law was sorry, it was a decade's 455 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:38,160 old law, but it was then strengthened after this guy's 456 00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:42,359 murder in twenty fifteen or twenty nineteen. Then after a 457 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,160 man with links to Neo Nazis was arrested in that case, 458 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:49,359 Germany ramped up the creation of its online hate task forces. 459 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,799 There are sixteen units across the country Lao, a career 460 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,400 criminal prosecutor, leads the Lower Saxony Unit, which works on 461 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,480 around thirty five hundred cases a year. Nine investigators work 462 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,160 out of the office. They get hundreds of tips a 463 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:12,160 month from police, watchdog groups and victims. His unit. This 464 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:14,359 is the secret police. Guys like, that's what this is. 465 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,319 This is like the Stasi kind of thing. They have 466 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,960 successfully prosecuted about seven hundred and fifty hate speech cases 467 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:27,079 over the last four years. To build their cases, they 468 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,480 scour social media and use public and government data so 469 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,240 they so they're just sitting there looking at it Facebook 470 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,079 all day. You've got seven hundred fifty cases you have. 471 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:41,000 I don't even know how hundreds of these people employed 472 00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,720 to just look at comments on Facebook, which I think 473 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:47,559 is probably I think that was one of the layers 474 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:51,400 of hell right in Dante's Invernto. I think that was there. 475 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,799 I'm pretty sure it was in the book. All Right, 476 00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:57,160 that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 477 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,240 for listening. I could not do the show without your 478 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:02,039 support and the support of the businesses that advertise on 479 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,880 the podcast, So if you'd like, please support them too 480 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,599 and tell them you heard it here. 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