WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:14.960 Welcome to Destiny. 2 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.359 Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. 3 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:39.520 MM. Is that how you sound at night? Does your girlfriend, 4 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:45.520 your wife, your partner complain that you snore? Do you 5 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:48.759 have sleep abnea where you're spending part of the evening 6 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:51.600 when not able to breathe? Do you have a C 7 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:56.520 pop machine? Do you wear an appliance to stem off 8 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:01.439 sleep abnea? This is Cliff, your host of Destiny, and 9 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:07.680 this week we are discussing sleep apnea, this chronic problem 10 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:13.040 that is affecting, or should I say afflicting, tens of 11 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:18.519 millions of Americans. I myself have been diagnosed with moderate 12 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:25.560 sleep apnea. And when you are dealing with the medical establishment, 13 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:29.719 most notably allopathy, they want you to get hooked up 14 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:35.120 to a seapap machine. They want you to to invest 15 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:37.920 a probably close to one thousand dollars for one of 16 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:42.519 those machines. And I did it. I was afraid. I 17 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.040 was shaken when I had my heart attack in twenty 18 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:50.359 twenty two, and I did everything they said to me 19 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.640 until I figured out it's a lot of scare tactics. 20 00:01:54.200 --> 00:02:00.599 Their remedies don't work, and there are holistic methods to solving. 21 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:06.719 In fact, in many cases eliminating sleep apnea. Now you're 22 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:10.159 gonna hear from our guest today who is a medical doctor, 23 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:18.960 that the typical remedies or solutions from an alpathic point 24 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:23.680 of view are pretty severe. And when I say severe, 25 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:27.080 when you're having air forced into your lungs, there's a 26 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:29.960 lot of problems that can arise from that. In fact, 27 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:37.319 there's a recent settlement from a company that makes these 28 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:42.439 seapap machines, these sleep apnea machines. They were sued for 29 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:46.800 over a billion dollars because people were getting up a 30 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:51.960 respiratory disease, they were having fungus growths because of the 31 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:56.360 forced air, and in many extreme cases, people were getting 32 00:02:56.400 --> 00:03:02.639 cancer because this impure, pready impure air was forcing into 33 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:07.240 their lungs and people are getting lung cancer. In fact, 34 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:11.599 this is still going on today, and I have stopped 35 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:15.479 using the spat machine. I use breathing techniques that you 36 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.479 hear about today. I've uped my minerals and nutrients, which 37 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:23.360 is a huge issue when you have sleep deprivation, which 38 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:26.960 is lack of sleep, and if you're like me and 39 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.080 most people, if you don't get a good quality sleep 40 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:33.400 every night, and for me, it's between six and seven hours. 41 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:37.400 It is a strain on the body. In fact, it's 42 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:41.080 so serious that if you're not paying attention to your sleep, 43 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.479 you can take years off your life. In other words, 44 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:49.080 you can age much quicker, you're more sceptible, you're more 45 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:54.400 susceptible to disease, to aches and pains, and it ages you. 46 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:56.159 In fact, we're going to learn today that if you 47 00:03:56.240 --> 00:04:00.360 don't get regular sleep, it can take not a few years, 48 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.240 but close to a decade. You can die much earlier. 49 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.280 I think the bigger problem is that you're opened up 50 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:11.840 to a lot of different disease processes that are lurking, 51 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.039 and you know, so you need to get a good 52 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.759 night's sleep. But I have been looking for someone to 53 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:22.360 speak on sleep apnea when I started when I was 54 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:27.439 diagnosed back in twenty twenty two. And if you're like me, 55 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:31.439 you belong to a health medical establishment. I'm here in 56 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:36.279 northern California, so that's Kaiser Permanente, and they have sleep studies. 57 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:42.079 And when your doctor is suspicious of your health and 58 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.720 you're not sleeping well and perhaps you have a medical condition, 59 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:52.319 they will assign you a sleep specialist who will give 60 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:56.399 you a testing some equipment that you take home overnight. 61 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.240 In my case, is a device they put over your 62 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:06.759 finger and they strap somebody to your chest to band 63 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:12.720 your chest, and they test your breathing capacity, your heart rate, 64 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.560 how much you fidget, and so forth, and they can 65 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:21.000 tell if you have sleep apnea. And so that's how 66 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:24.079 they determine that I had moderate sleep apnea. That's a 67 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:27.000 while ago. I need to get tested again. But this 68 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:31.839 is the medical science. This is what lifestyle of Americans 69 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.600 has developed. We need a quick fix. We don't want 70 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:39.120 to work on our health. We want to get a pill. 71 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:41.920 We want to get a machine that helps us breathe, 72 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:47.279 that helps us journey, that helps us defecate. And it's 73 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:49.800 not something you really want to do if you look 74 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.639 at it closely. And this is what the beauty of 75 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:55.600 today's guest is. If you look at the sleep apnea closely, 76 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:02.040 it's a direct result of modern living. Processed food, no 77 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:06.600 nutrients in the diet, no sunlight, circadian rhythms, all screwed 78 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:12.120 up alcohol or drugs, damaging your ability to go to 79 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:14.920 sleep naturally. I sleep like a log. I go to 80 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.480 bed at midnight every night. I get about seven to 81 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:22.519 seven thirty. I sleep like a log, you know, And 82 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:25.000 well the other thing is people don't get any exercise, 83 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:29.279 and that's huge, It's really, really, really big. So my 84 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:34.240 guest today is doctor Dylan Petkiss, and I funny enough 85 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:39.160 I found him on TikTok and he was doing a 86 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:46.279 series of programs promoting his natural therapy and his book 87 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:49.839 is called Sleep Apnea Solutions, and that's the theme of 88 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:56.000 the program today is holistically adjusting our lifestyle so that 89 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:02.800 we can remove or eliminate use or eliminate sleep apnea. 90 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:04.920 So I think you're going to enjoy the program today. 91 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:08.879 I know I did. I really enjoyed it, so away 92 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:09.279 we go. 93 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:37.160 I don't imagine it's a first showing all things where 94 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:41.800 your doublin's up, put your mother's side, those lies and 95 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:44.160 pangles with a little bit of. 96 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:53.279 Really excited about today's guest. I am one who suffers 97 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:56.560 from sleep apnea, and we're gonna learn all about sleep apnea. 98 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:01.399 And I discovered that there's over eighteen men and about 99 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.040 seven main women here in the United States to suffer 100 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:10.480 similar issues. And uh, you know, I've been doing the 101 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:14.759 seepap machine. I've done all kinds of weird remedies, but 102 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:18.079 nothing has really helped, and so I been looking for 103 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.519 somebody to speak on it. And of course here at 104 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:26.040 Destiny we're all about holistic treatment because uh, you know, 105 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:31.839 we're constantly dealing with the corporate medical model of allopathy. 106 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.960 And my guest today is doctor Dylan Petkiss and he 107 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:43.120 has I found Dylan on Whould you Believe the Internet TikTok, 108 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:47.679 and you know he is, you know, trained as a doctor, 109 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:52.039 and so he's dealing with this from a very interesting 110 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.080 perspective and we're gonna learn learn all about it. His 111 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:02.080 book is called Sleep Apnea Solution Less. I think it's 112 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:07.120 called less Snoring, less cpap just Sleep, which is a 113 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:12.000 fantastic title. And so we're gonna get the whole rundown 114 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:16.279 today from from Dylan. So Hey, Dylan, welcome to Destiny. 115 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:17.519 Great to have you on the program. 116 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:18.720 Thanks for having me. 117 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:23.120 All right, obviously you wrote the book because you are 118 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:28.840 also a sleep apnea victim. Talk a little bit about 119 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:34.279 your journey from start to finish in terms of wanting 120 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:35.120 to find a solution. 121 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:39.720 Gotcha from the start, like when my parents met or 122 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:47.600 I mean how much time we got yeah, so yeah, 123 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:53.559 so back looking at the date thirteen or fourteen years. 124 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:57.600 It's been a while, all right. I was starting to 125 00:09:57.639 --> 00:09:59.639 have I'm starting to drag, and I was like, am 126 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:03.360 I twenties at that time, so starting to drag just 127 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.919 like tired, et cetera. I was like, oh, maybe just stressed, 128 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:09.080 maybe just whatever. I just kept pushing through like a 129 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:12.039 lot of people do. And I know I'll kind of 130 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:16.080 shove men under the bus here that sometimes we kind 131 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.600 of wait on things or just kind of keep going. 132 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:21.440 So I was doing that, and then you just got 133 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.919 to a point where it's just like geez. I was 134 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.240 maybe waking up every sixty ninety minutes, heart beating a 135 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:32.559 little fast, always exhausted in the morning, like two, three, 136 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:35.639 four cups of coffee. Eventually graduated to caffeine pills because 137 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.240 I figured that'd be more efficient. God forbid, I actually 138 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:40.720 do something, but the problem just you know, take a 139 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:45.519 thousand milligrams caffeine, which I don't recommend anyone do in 140 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.039 case anyone only meant to listen to the first two minutes. 141 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.120 And then I went to the doctor, like God, primary care, 142 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.000 We're just like, I don't know, see the sleep specialist, 143 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:59.799 sleep specialists. You might have sleep apneah, do the sleep study, 144 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.320 get the all the schmuts over your head and all 145 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:05.080 over the place, and they kind of wrap you like 146 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.919 a mummy you see on the History Channel. And then 147 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.960 the nurses at Tech kind of just says sleep normal. 148 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:13.679 And then I imagine they laugh in their own head 149 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.120 when they leave you in the room and then came 150 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:24.000 back with moderate sleep apnea. And then the next time 151 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.039 is in the doctor's office because for some reason, you 152 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.720 need to wait eight weeks for a physician to tell 153 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.480 you have twenty five point seven on a piece of paper. 154 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:32.320 Yeah. 155 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:35.039 I don't get it either, but oh yeah, you can 156 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:41.159 do a CEPAP. And I was like, okay, maybe, and 157 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:44.200 then uh tried that out a couple times and I 158 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:47.320 was definitely the camp of like, uh, screw this. This 159 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:51.519 doesn't seem very attractive or effective, and they're kind of, well, 160 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:55.320 just stick with it. I'm this feels like this is 161 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:59.360 making things worse, and I just, you know, win in 162 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.279 my own journey. Well like took a step back, like, okay, 163 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:07.200 like why why is this happening? Because the classic phenotype 164 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.039 right of sleep APNA is not like mid twenty something 165 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:15.200 that is in okay shape, et cetera. It's usually like 166 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:19.519 you know, man started between fifteen and seventy, maybe a 167 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.559 little bit overweight. That was not me. So I had 168 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:25.320 to kind of understand like, okay, why is this going on? 169 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:28.679 And that led me to really discover, hey, this is 170 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:33.240 a lot more around the breathing part than it is 171 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.919 around just like an obstruction, which is that should feel 172 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:41.360 less profound than it is because I'm basically saying a 173 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:46.080 sleep breathing disorder, would you probably talk about breathing? Yeah, 174 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.200 And that's when I start to learn, like, what what 175 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.320 is what is the main issue with our breathing at night? 176 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.960 Because when we think about sleep APNA, everyone's mind is 177 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:59.919 like okay, like I stop breathing or I'm snoring, but 178 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:03.840 we never really understand what's going on. We are understanding 179 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:08.240 is typically just led by a doctor who they mean 180 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:11.440 well just to like, yeah, you just airway gets blocked 181 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:14.840 off at night, right, you know, sun goes up, sun 182 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:17.039 goes down. Can't do anything about that, Like it just 183 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:21.159 comes to a point where we don't understand why that's happening. 184 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:25.000 And when I look back in the research, like some 185 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:28.360 of the old, old research from well okay, I just 186 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:30.679 said old old, and I'm going to say, nineteen fifties, 187 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:34.200 So whoever's offended, don't be too offended. But that was 188 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:35.919 like some of the original research on it, and what 189 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:40.919 they found was when test participants, like if you made 190 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:43.600 them breathe faster at night, it would cause their airway 191 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:49.320 to be obstructed. Right, So this is counterintuitive to what 192 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.759 we are told in which is airways gets blocked off, 193 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.519 you know, tongue flops back, et cetera, and then that's 194 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:01.320 all you can do. It's a breathe event that then 195 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:06.320 triggers a collapse in the tissue, which just on face 196 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:10.440 value does make sense. You know, patients would sleep apnea. 197 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.000 They may stop breathing at night anywhere from five to 198 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:17.639 you know, forty times per hour. Right, that does not 199 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:19.639 and the grand majority of people that does not happen 200 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:21.200 during the daytime at all. 201 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.639 Let me stop you real quickly, Dylan. So, as a 202 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:32.159 medical researcher and a trained physician, obviously you understood that 203 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:36.120 the commercial medical side of things were like, our solution 204 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.320 is to see pap machine or you write about this 205 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.080 in your book. We can do a surgical procedure, or 206 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:50.600 we can do pretty much invasive programs, and we're not 207 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.759 into the holism holistic approach because that's just not our style. 208 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.000 So it sounds to me like you are like, I'm 209 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.600 not following your lead. Guy. I'm going to look at 210 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:06.600 this from a historical position. And as you're saying, and 211 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.200 you write about this in your book that in the 212 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:13.919 fifties and seventies they began looking at this. Do we 213 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.720 know if it goes back further than that? Is this 214 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:24.399 an industrial complex? A modern society problem of not enough 215 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:28.799 thought for and we'll talk about nutrition and exercise in 216 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:32.039 a minute, but is this is just part of a 217 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:33.279 sedentary lifestyle? 218 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:39.840 It partially is I think a lot of the I 219 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:44.000 guess modernization of things and now how humans have begin 220 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:49.279 to devolve is a huge, huge part of it. Yeah, 221 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:51.919 for sure, because I mean like a lot of these things, 222 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.919 like because I wasn't so contrariant until I was like 223 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:57.600 in it, which I think is a very common pattern 224 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:01.559 with like modern medicine. It's good to think on, but 225 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.240 then you feel the opposite when you're in it, like 226 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:06.720 oh yeah, that makes sense on paper, and then you're 227 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:11.200 like I don't know about that same thing there. So 228 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:17.120 that can be one contributing factor for sure. Because yes, nutrition, Yes, 229 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:22.159 different nutrients you have will come together because the big 230 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.679 link between those factors, right, your environment and your lifestyle, 231 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.799 how sanitary you are with breathing, The biggest one is 232 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:32.440 going to be through your mitochondria. All right, that's what 233 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.559 produces energy. And if anyone's like powerhouse with a cell, 234 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:41.360 awesome is that that's what produces CO two. So just 235 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.279 like your car produces exhaust and burning energy, your mindochondra 236 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:48.960 produced CO two by also burning energy in the form 237 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:52.039 of fuel, not diesel or premium, although I think some 238 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.200 people are trying to eat that nowadays. But beyond that, 239 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:59.120 CO two will then tell your brain, hey, this is 240 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.320 how we should breathe. So when CO two is high 241 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:03.799 or metabolic activity is high, it makes sense we should 242 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:07.720 breathe more. When it's low, we don't need to breathe 243 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.279 as much. Now, one of the biggest things we'll seep 244 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:17.680 APNA is this thing called respiratory loop gain. Very catchy, 245 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:21.039 sound very cool. If you say no, doctor will don't 246 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.400 know where they we're talking. I mean polemonologists would. If 247 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.519 you're seeing a pollmonologist, you're probably in the ICU or something, 248 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:31.519 and that's your bodies, your brains response to CO two levels, 249 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:35.000 and think of it like a breathing thermostat, where if 250 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:37.000 there's a certain amount of CO two, there's a certain 251 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:41.440 response for you to breathe a certain way. When someone 252 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.960 has sleep apnea, it's the very over sensitive thermostat the 253 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:50.039 moment the temperature goes like up AC kicks on like instantly, 254 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:55.480 even when it's not needed. So this happens because a 255 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:57.759 lot of times when like you know, you have the 256 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:01.079 faster breathing pattern and then you have an obstruction, and 257 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:04.240 then immediately after the obstruction, you'll start to breathe fast 258 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:06.839 again and start to sort of wire this pathway of 259 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.720 being very overresponsive to things. So then if we layer 260 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.359 in these lifestyle things, I'm coming back around to the 261 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:19.160 original point this was a detour. Is that like say, 262 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:23.400 if you're eating a lot of carbohydrates or something like that, 263 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:28.000 like we live in the carbo loca here, that is 264 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:31.960 going to impact that sounds like a bad restaurant somewhere, 265 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.160 but that's going to impact how much CO two is 266 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.079 going to be produced, and then that's going to impact 267 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:44.319 your breathing thermostat. Let's say you're sitting around all the time, 268 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:49.759 right you're super sanitary. That's very similar if you have 269 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:54.039 a car that you like, never drive, and then like 270 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.480 three years later you're like, let me take the the 271 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:00.759 Chevy and pale out for a spin, because why not. 272 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:06.039 The engine is going to kick out more speak, so 273 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.880 it's going to alter the I think I first a 274 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.000 little bit there, but the engine's gonna you know, spew 275 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:14.480 out some credit here, and that's going to alter how 276 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.359 much Cotwo is gonna be made. Then your breathing thermostack 277 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:21.079 can't properly adjust to it, bad breathing pattern, more appy episodes. 278 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:22.599 That's why a lot of times when you see these 279 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.200 lifestyle interventions, which is funny because a lot of time 280 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:29.319 in social media maybe you've seen it, I make this 281 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:35.759 incredibly controversial position of maybe lifestyle factors effect you're breathing 282 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.279 in sleep, which I know is you know, it's up 283 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:41.880 there with Gallo saying, you know, I think the Earth 284 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:44.359 goes around the sun. Maybe that's the other way. I know, 285 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:50.200 very you know, difficult positions to defend across a modern 286 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:55.839 human thought point being, if I say, like lifestyle impact 287 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.440 sleep APNA, people will be like, oh, but like I 288 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:00.720 thought it was an obstruction there's something in way this 289 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:04.599 and that. But those sating people won't think twice if 290 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.880 I say, well, you know, if you drink alcohol for 291 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.319 a bed, or if you eat a really heavy meal 292 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.920 a couple hours for a bed, or one very very 293 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:17.839 common event like people when they stay up a little 294 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:19.880 bit later, they go to bed two hours later. Oh, 295 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:24.000 I had way more snoring. Yeah, we've made no changes 296 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:29.799 to your anatomy. Yeah, and yet you know we've changed 297 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:32.079 something where someone's in a different environment. There's you know, 298 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:36.279 they're breathing and crap, they're stressed out more. All that's 299 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:37.920 going to impact how you breathe. And that's how many 300 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:39.279 Appney episodes you have at night. 301 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:42.319 So before we get into two more specifics, because what 302 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:44.000 I want to do is I want to get into 303 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:48.480 the AMA's look at it, the industry of seapap and 304 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:51.880 so forth. But before we do any of that, what 305 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:56.240 is the basis What is the definition of sleep appney? 306 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:02.079 Obviously it's obstructed breathing, but it's it's it's the throat 307 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.839 closing down on the windpipe basically. 308 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:09.720 Right, Yeah, so, uh so, an apnea episode is a 309 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:14.079 stop itchin airflow that also happens at the same time 310 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:18.000 you have auction levels drop a certain amount for a 311 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:19.000 certain amount of time. 312 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:19.839 M hm. 313 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:24.720 That's all an APNA episode is. Sleep apnea is then 314 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:27.960 when that happens anywhere, well, it has happened at least 315 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:32.960 five or more times per hour over the course of 316 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.960 the night. So if you sleep eight hours, five time 317 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:38.599 is eight. If anyone has a mathematical PhD, you can 318 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:42.960 figure that one out about forty events per night. That's 319 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:46.039 all it takes, right to then have a sleep apnea 320 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:48.319 a diagnosis, and then you know it breaks down to 321 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:50.720 different categories. But that's where it starts. 322 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:55.519 Yeah, I had a heart episode in twenty twenty two. 323 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:59.400 When I went into the doctor, uh, they put a 324 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:02.839 stint in one carnary artery. But the other thing he said, 325 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:06.160 have you been tested for sleep apnea? And this is 326 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:09.000 the training, And of course I did get tested. I 327 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:13.400 came back, it came back with moderate sleep apnea. They 328 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:19.240 immediately recommended the SEAPAP machine, which stands for a continuous 329 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:26.759 positive airway pressure, and in my case, my insurance covered it. 330 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.319 But it was still a thousand dollars machine, which is 331 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.519 not cheap. And I did it twice and I couldn't 332 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:34.039 stand it. 333 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:37.200 Yeah, that's very typical. 334 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.839 I mean, yeah, talk about that because those machines are 335 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:48.319 that's the standard recommendation, is these damn machines. Yeah. 336 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:53.119 Yeah. So the research has shown if you're a doctor Joe, 337 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:56.319 when you're a sleep a specialist, you have one hundred 338 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:01.160 patients and you give them all SEPAP within one year, 339 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:04.839 within twelve months, which may range from day two to 340 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:08.400 day hundred and like three hundred and sixty five, about 341 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:12.359 forty percent of them will still be on it. So 342 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:16.000 you lose a lot of people right away, and then 343 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:18.839 of those forty percent, about half of them will say 344 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:25.839 they experience benefit from it at all. So it's one 345 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:28.319 of those things where there will be people who they 346 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:30.680 love it, and that's great, they name it. I'm not saying, 347 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.000 you know, no one should stop their receipt PAP. They 348 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:35.920 love and their responding well to it awesome, But at 349 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:42.359 the same time, we shouldn't sacrifice the silent perhaps even 350 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:54.039 gas lit majority for the minority experience and also expert opinion, right, 351 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.680 because one of those things where you know, mostly medicine 352 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:00.200 doctors are probably not a SEAPAP and it makes times 353 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.839 for me like, yeah, I use this thing. But if 354 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:06.440 like you know, any sort of treatments like oh, yeah, 355 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:09.920 so you're gonna put this on your face and hope 356 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:14.599 you're not clostrochhrobic, and if it stays on, yeah, and 357 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.200 if it doesn't come off from the middle of the night, 358 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:18.240 and also if it doesn't like dry your face out, 359 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:19.920 and if you don't react to it, and if you 360 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:22.920 aren't using the Phillips ones that gives you like lung cancer. 361 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:30.680 You know, if all that happens, might be okay. 362 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:35.000 Yeah, but it's a it's a nefarious industry. In your book, 363 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:40.960 you talk about Phillips. The vision sued for one point 364 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:47.599 one billion dollars recently because of people having all kinds 365 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:54.920 of health issues that use this seepap machine. And but 366 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.920 then again, if we look at it from historical point 367 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:02.440 of view, in the fifties up to the seventies, the 368 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.240 solution was a tracheometry, you know. 369 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.960 Which is it is a step up. You give give 370 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:13.880 them credit, but it's all it's also it's so invasive. 371 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:18.519 It's like, this is the model of allopathy. Is they 372 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.839 forget about the holistic aspect and they get into the 373 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:27.720 commercial machine. They spend billions on making these machines that 374 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:30.519 you're telling us that only forty percent of people use 375 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:34.160 them after they begin. And then there's all all kinds 376 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:41.440 of crazy medical procedures. There's one that you write about 377 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.400 that I've been seeing. It's called inspire therapy, where they 378 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:50.119 shock the system into breathing again. And this is something 379 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:52.720 that looks really cool because they don't they show it 380 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:55.759 on TV. They don't show the surgical procedure, they don't 381 00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:59.440 show the tune ups and the adjustments to this procedure. 382 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.920 They have great advertising, it's good stuff. 383 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:07.519 It's horrible, horribly invasive. So this is what we're facebook, 384 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.039 and this is why you're on the program, Dylan, is 385 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:13.720 the fact that they don't go to the to the source, 386 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:17.440 which is a holistic approach and look at nutrition, look 387 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:23.759 at exercise, look at lifestyle as a causation. So I'm 388 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:25.559 kind of speaking over you a little bit, but i 389 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:29.039 just want our listeners to get a sense of why 390 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.160 it's important to go to the source, to go back 391 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:36.039 to the beginning and see where you are nutritionally, where 392 00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:39.640 you are stress wise, where you are on a more 393 00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:47.440 naturalistic or holistic balance scale as a starting point. When 394 00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:52.240 you are it's determined that you are a candidate for 395 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.000 sleep apnea. So can we go back a little bit 396 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:02.200 and let's talk about the CPAP machine and the problems 397 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:10.559 associated with it, most notably the the the problems with 398 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:12.240 the body. 399 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:15.440 Yeah, definitely the biggest problem. You can't you can't get 400 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:17.799 a custom color on the outside and a lot of 401 00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:19.759