Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 1: MM. Is that how you sound at night? Does your girlfriend,
Speaker 1: your wife, your partner complain that you snore? Do you
Speaker 1: have sleep abnea where you're spending part of the evening
Speaker 1: when not able to breathe? Do you have a C
Speaker 1: pop machine? Do you wear an appliance to stem off
Speaker 1: sleep abnea? This is Cliff, your host of Destiny, and
Speaker 1: this week we are discussing sleep apnea, this chronic problem
Speaker 1: that is affecting, or should I say afflicting, tens of
Speaker 1: millions of Americans. I myself have been diagnosed with moderate
Speaker 1: sleep apnea. And when you are dealing with the medical establishment,
Speaker 1: most notably allopathy, they want you to get hooked up
Speaker 1: to a seapap machine. They want you to to invest
Speaker 1: a probably close to one thousand dollars for one of
Speaker 1: those machines. And I did it. I was afraid. I
Speaker 1: was shaken when I had my heart attack in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, and I did everything they said to me
Speaker 1: until I figured out it's a lot of scare tactics.
Speaker 1: Their remedies don't work, and there are holistic methods to solving.
Speaker 1: In fact, in many cases eliminating sleep apnea. Now you're
Speaker 1: gonna hear from our guest today who is a medical doctor,
Speaker 1: that the typical remedies or solutions from an alpathic point
Speaker 1: of view are pretty severe. And when I say severe,
Speaker 1: when you're having air forced into your lungs, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of problems that can arise from that. In fact,
Speaker 1: there's a recent settlement from a company that makes these
Speaker 1: seapap machines, these sleep apnea machines. They were sued for
Speaker 1: over a billion dollars because people were getting up a
Speaker 1: respiratory disease, they were having fungus growths because of the
Speaker 1: forced air, and in many extreme cases, people were getting
Speaker 1: cancer because this impure, pready impure air was forcing into
Speaker 1: their lungs and people are getting lung cancer. In fact,
Speaker 1: this is still going on today, and I have stopped
Speaker 1: using the spat machine. I use breathing techniques that you
Speaker 1: hear about today. I've uped my minerals and nutrients, which
Speaker 1: is a huge issue when you have sleep deprivation, which
Speaker 1: is lack of sleep, and if you're like me and
Speaker 1: most people, if you don't get a good quality sleep
Speaker 1: every night, and for me, it's between six and seven hours.
Speaker 1: It is a strain on the body. In fact, it's
Speaker 1: so serious that if you're not paying attention to your sleep,
Speaker 1: you can take years off your life. In other words,
Speaker 1: you can age much quicker, you're more sceptible, you're more
Speaker 1: susceptible to disease, to aches and pains, and it ages you.
Speaker 1: In fact, we're going to learn today that if you
Speaker 1: don't get regular sleep, it can take not a few years,
Speaker 1: but close to a decade. You can die much earlier.
Speaker 1: I think the bigger problem is that you're opened up
Speaker 1: to a lot of different disease processes that are lurking,
Speaker 1: and you know, so you need to get a good
Speaker 1: night's sleep. But I have been looking for someone to
Speaker 1: speak on sleep apnea when I started when I was
Speaker 1: diagnosed back in twenty twenty two. And if you're like me,
Speaker 1: you belong to a health medical establishment. I'm here in
Speaker 1: northern California, so that's Kaiser Permanente, and they have sleep studies.
Speaker 1: And when your doctor is suspicious of your health and
Speaker 1: you're not sleeping well and perhaps you have a medical condition,
Speaker 1: they will assign you a sleep specialist who will give
Speaker 1: you a testing some equipment that you take home overnight.
Speaker 1: In my case, is a device they put over your
Speaker 1: finger and they strap somebody to your chest to band
Speaker 1: your chest, and they test your breathing capacity, your heart rate,
Speaker 1: how much you fidget, and so forth, and they can
Speaker 1: tell if you have sleep apnea. And so that's how
Speaker 1: they determine that I had moderate sleep apnea. That's a
Speaker 1: while ago. I need to get tested again. But this
Speaker 1: is the medical science. This is what lifestyle of Americans
Speaker 1: has developed. We need a quick fix. We don't want
Speaker 1: to work on our health. We want to get a pill.
Speaker 1: We want to get a machine that helps us breathe,
Speaker 1: that helps us journey, that helps us defecate. And it's
Speaker 1: not something you really want to do if you look
Speaker 1: at it closely. And this is what the beauty of
Speaker 1: today's guest is. If you look at the sleep apnea closely,
Speaker 1: it's a direct result of modern living. Processed food, no
Speaker 1: nutrients in the diet, no sunlight, circadian rhythms, all screwed
Speaker 1: up alcohol or drugs, damaging your ability to go to
Speaker 1: sleep naturally. I sleep like a log. I go to
Speaker 1: bed at midnight every night. I get about seven to
Speaker 1: seven thirty. I sleep like a log, you know, And
Speaker 1: well the other thing is people don't get any exercise,
Speaker 1: and that's huge, It's really, really, really big. So my
Speaker 1: guest today is doctor Dylan Petkiss, and I funny enough
Speaker 1: I found him on TikTok and he was doing a
Speaker 1: series of programs promoting his natural therapy and his book
Speaker 1: is called Sleep Apnea Solutions, and that's the theme of
Speaker 1: the program today is holistically adjusting our lifestyle so that
Speaker 1: we can remove or eliminate use or eliminate sleep apnea.
Speaker 1: So I think you're going to enjoy the program today.
Speaker 1: I know I did. I really enjoyed it, so away
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 2: I don't imagine it's a first showing all things where
Speaker 2: your doublin's up, put your mother's side, those lies and
Speaker 2: pangles with a little bit of.
Speaker 1: Really excited about today's guest. I am one who suffers
Speaker 1: from sleep apnea, and we're gonna learn all about sleep apnea.
Speaker 1: And I discovered that there's over eighteen men and about
Speaker 1: seven main women here in the United States to suffer
Speaker 1: similar issues. And uh, you know, I've been doing the
Speaker 1: seepap machine. I've done all kinds of weird remedies, but
Speaker 1: nothing has really helped, and so I been looking for
Speaker 1: somebody to speak on it. And of course here at
Speaker 1: Destiny we're all about holistic treatment because uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we're constantly dealing with the corporate medical model of allopathy.
Speaker 1: And my guest today is doctor Dylan Petkiss and he
Speaker 1: has I found Dylan on Whould you Believe the Internet TikTok,
Speaker 1: and you know he is, you know, trained as a doctor,
Speaker 1: and so he's dealing with this from a very interesting
Speaker 1: perspective and we're gonna learn learn all about it. His
Speaker 1: book is called Sleep Apnea Solution Less. I think it's
Speaker 1: called less Snoring, less cpap just Sleep, which is a
Speaker 1: fantastic title. And so we're gonna get the whole rundown
Speaker 1: today from from Dylan. So Hey, Dylan, welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 1: Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: All right, obviously you wrote the book because you are
Speaker 1: also a sleep apnea victim. Talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: your journey from start to finish in terms of wanting
Speaker 1: to find a solution.
Speaker 3: Gotcha from the start, like when my parents met or
Speaker 3: I mean how much time we got yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 3: so back looking at the date thirteen or fourteen years.
Speaker 3: It's been a while, all right. I was starting to
Speaker 3: have I'm starting to drag, and I was like, am
Speaker 3: I twenties at that time, so starting to drag just
Speaker 3: like tired, et cetera. I was like, oh, maybe just stressed,
Speaker 3: maybe just whatever. I just kept pushing through like a
Speaker 3: lot of people do. And I know I'll kind of
Speaker 3: shove men under the bus here that sometimes we kind
Speaker 3: of wait on things or just kind of keep going.
Speaker 3: So I was doing that, and then you just got
Speaker 3: to a point where it's just like geez. I was
Speaker 3: maybe waking up every sixty ninety minutes, heart beating a
Speaker 3: little fast, always exhausted in the morning, like two, three,
Speaker 3: four cups of coffee. Eventually graduated to caffeine pills because
Speaker 3: I figured that'd be more efficient. God forbid, I actually
Speaker 3: do something, but the problem just you know, take a
Speaker 3: thousand milligrams caffeine, which I don't recommend anyone do in
Speaker 3: case anyone only meant to listen to the first two minutes.
Speaker 3: And then I went to the doctor, like God, primary care,
Speaker 3: We're just like, I don't know, see the sleep specialist,
Speaker 3: sleep specialists. You might have sleep apneah, do the sleep study,
Speaker 3: get the all the schmuts over your head and all
Speaker 3: over the place, and they kind of wrap you like
Speaker 3: a mummy you see on the History Channel. And then
Speaker 3: the nurses at Tech kind of just says sleep normal.
Speaker 3: And then I imagine they laugh in their own head
Speaker 3: when they leave you in the room and then came
Speaker 3: back with moderate sleep apnea. And then the next time
Speaker 3: is in the doctor's office because for some reason, you
Speaker 3: need to wait eight weeks for a physician to tell
Speaker 3: you have twenty five point seven on a piece of paper.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't get it either, but oh yeah, you can
Speaker 3: do a CEPAP. And I was like, okay, maybe, and
Speaker 3: then uh tried that out a couple times and I
Speaker 3: was definitely the camp of like, uh, screw this. This
Speaker 3: doesn't seem very attractive or effective, and they're kind of, well,
Speaker 3: just stick with it. I'm this feels like this is
Speaker 3: making things worse, and I just, you know, win in
Speaker 3: my own journey. Well like took a step back, like, okay,
Speaker 3: like why why is this happening? Because the classic phenotype
Speaker 3: right of sleep APNA is not like mid twenty something
Speaker 3: that is in okay shape, et cetera. It's usually like
Speaker 3: you know, man started between fifteen and seventy, maybe a
Speaker 3: little bit overweight. That was not me. So I had
Speaker 3: to kind of understand like, okay, why is this going on?
Speaker 3: And that led me to really discover, hey, this is
Speaker 3: a lot more around the breathing part than it is
Speaker 3: around just like an obstruction, which is that should feel
Speaker 3: less profound than it is because I'm basically saying a
Speaker 3: sleep breathing disorder, would you probably talk about breathing? Yeah,
Speaker 3: And that's when I start to learn, like, what what
Speaker 3: is what is the main issue with our breathing at night?
Speaker 3: Because when we think about sleep APNA, everyone's mind is
Speaker 3: like okay, like I stop breathing or I'm snoring, but
Speaker 3: we never really understand what's going on. We are understanding
Speaker 3: is typically just led by a doctor who they mean
Speaker 3: well just to like, yeah, you just airway gets blocked
Speaker 3: off at night, right, you know, sun goes up, sun
Speaker 3: goes down. Can't do anything about that, Like it just
Speaker 3: comes to a point where we don't understand why that's happening.
Speaker 3: And when I look back in the research, like some
Speaker 3: of the old, old research from well okay, I just
Speaker 3: said old old, and I'm going to say, nineteen fifties,
Speaker 3: So whoever's offended, don't be too offended. But that was
Speaker 3: like some of the original research on it, and what
Speaker 3: they found was when test participants, like if you made
Speaker 3: them breathe faster at night, it would cause their airway
Speaker 3: to be obstructed. Right, So this is counterintuitive to what
Speaker 3: we are told in which is airways gets blocked off,
Speaker 3: you know, tongue flops back, et cetera, and then that's
Speaker 3: all you can do. It's a breathe event that then
Speaker 3: triggers a collapse in the tissue, which just on face
Speaker 3: value does make sense. You know, patients would sleep apnea.
Speaker 3: They may stop breathing at night anywhere from five to
Speaker 3: you know, forty times per hour. Right, that does not
Speaker 3: and the grand majority of people that does not happen
Speaker 3: during the daytime at all.
Speaker 1: Let me stop you real quickly, Dylan. So, as a
Speaker 1: medical researcher and a trained physician, obviously you understood that
Speaker 1: the commercial medical side of things were like, our solution
Speaker 1: is to see pap machine or you write about this
Speaker 1: in your book. We can do a surgical procedure, or
Speaker 1: we can do pretty much invasive programs, and we're not
Speaker 1: into the holism holistic approach because that's just not our style.
Speaker 1: So it sounds to me like you are like, I'm
Speaker 1: not following your lead. Guy. I'm going to look at
Speaker 1: this from a historical position. And as you're saying, and
Speaker 1: you write about this in your book that in the
Speaker 1: fifties and seventies they began looking at this. Do we
Speaker 1: know if it goes back further than that? Is this
Speaker 1: an industrial complex? A modern society problem of not enough
Speaker 1: thought for and we'll talk about nutrition and exercise in
Speaker 1: a minute, but is this is just part of a
Speaker 1: sedentary lifestyle?
Speaker 3: It partially is I think a lot of the I
Speaker 3: guess modernization of things and now how humans have begin
Speaker 3: to devolve is a huge, huge part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure, because I mean like a lot of these things,
Speaker 3: like because I wasn't so contrariant until I was like
Speaker 3: in it, which I think is a very common pattern
Speaker 3: with like modern medicine. It's good to think on, but
Speaker 3: then you feel the opposite when you're in it, like
Speaker 3: oh yeah, that makes sense on paper, and then you're
Speaker 3: like I don't know about that same thing there. So
Speaker 3: that can be one contributing factor for sure. Because yes, nutrition, Yes,
Speaker 3: different nutrients you have will come together because the big
Speaker 3: link between those factors, right, your environment and your lifestyle,
Speaker 3: how sanitary you are with breathing, The biggest one is
Speaker 3: going to be through your mitochondria. All right, that's what
Speaker 3: produces energy. And if anyone's like powerhouse with a cell,
Speaker 3: awesome is that that's what produces CO two. So just
Speaker 3: like your car produces exhaust and burning energy, your mindochondra
Speaker 3: produced CO two by also burning energy in the form
Speaker 3: of fuel, not diesel or premium, although I think some
Speaker 3: people are trying to eat that nowadays. But beyond that,
Speaker 3: CO two will then tell your brain, hey, this is
Speaker 3: how we should breathe. So when CO two is high
Speaker 3: or metabolic activity is high, it makes sense we should
Speaker 3: breathe more. When it's low, we don't need to breathe
Speaker 3: as much. Now, one of the biggest things we'll seep
Speaker 3: APNA is this thing called respiratory loop gain. Very catchy,
Speaker 3: sound very cool. If you say no, doctor will don't
Speaker 3: know where they we're talking. I mean polemonologists would. If
Speaker 3: you're seeing a pollmonologist, you're probably in the ICU or something,
Speaker 3: and that's your bodies, your brains response to CO two levels,
Speaker 3: and think of it like a breathing thermostat, where if
Speaker 3: there's a certain amount of CO two, there's a certain
Speaker 3: response for you to breathe a certain way. When someone
Speaker 3: has sleep apnea, it's the very over sensitive thermostat the
Speaker 3: moment the temperature goes like up AC kicks on like instantly,
Speaker 3: even when it's not needed. So this happens because a
Speaker 3: lot of times when like you know, you have the
Speaker 3: faster breathing pattern and then you have an obstruction, and
Speaker 3: then immediately after the obstruction, you'll start to breathe fast
Speaker 3: again and start to sort of wire this pathway of
Speaker 3: being very overresponsive to things. So then if we layer
Speaker 3: in these lifestyle things, I'm coming back around to the
Speaker 3: original point this was a detour. Is that like say,
Speaker 3: if you're eating a lot of carbohydrates or something like that,
Speaker 3: like we live in the carbo loca here, that is
Speaker 3: going to impact that sounds like a bad restaurant somewhere,
Speaker 3: but that's going to impact how much CO two is
Speaker 3: going to be produced, and then that's going to impact
Speaker 3: your breathing thermostat. Let's say you're sitting around all the time,
Speaker 3: right you're super sanitary. That's very similar if you have
Speaker 3: a car that you like, never drive, and then like
Speaker 3: three years later you're like, let me take the the
Speaker 3: Chevy and pale out for a spin, because why not.
Speaker 3: The engine is going to kick out more speak, so
Speaker 3: it's going to alter the I think I first a
Speaker 3: little bit there, but the engine's gonna you know, spew
Speaker 3: out some credit here, and that's going to alter how
Speaker 3: much Cotwo is gonna be made. Then your breathing thermostack
Speaker 3: can't properly adjust to it, bad breathing pattern, more appy episodes.
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of times when you see these
Speaker 3: lifestyle interventions, which is funny because a lot of time
Speaker 3: in social media maybe you've seen it, I make this
Speaker 3: incredibly controversial position of maybe lifestyle factors effect you're breathing
Speaker 3: in sleep, which I know is you know, it's up
Speaker 3: there with Gallo saying, you know, I think the Earth
Speaker 3: goes around the sun. Maybe that's the other way. I know,
Speaker 3: very you know, difficult positions to defend across a modern
Speaker 3: human thought point being, if I say, like lifestyle impact
Speaker 3: sleep APNA, people will be like, oh, but like I
Speaker 3: thought it was an obstruction there's something in way this
Speaker 3: and that. But those sating people won't think twice if
Speaker 3: I say, well, you know, if you drink alcohol for
Speaker 3: a bed, or if you eat a really heavy meal
Speaker 3: a couple hours for a bed, or one very very
Speaker 3: common event like people when they stay up a little
Speaker 3: bit later, they go to bed two hours later. Oh,
Speaker 3: I had way more snoring. Yeah, we've made no changes
Speaker 3: to your anatomy. Yeah, and yet you know we've changed
Speaker 3: something where someone's in a different environment. There's you know,
Speaker 3: they're breathing and crap, they're stressed out more. All that's
Speaker 3: going to impact how you breathe. And that's how many
Speaker 3: Appney episodes you have at night.
Speaker 1: So before we get into two more specifics, because what
Speaker 1: I want to do is I want to get into
Speaker 1: the AMA's look at it, the industry of seapap and
Speaker 1: so forth. But before we do any of that, what
Speaker 1: is the basis What is the definition of sleep appney?
Speaker 1: Obviously it's obstructed breathing, but it's it's it's the throat
Speaker 1: closing down on the windpipe basically.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so, uh so, an apnea episode is a
Speaker 3: stop itchin airflow that also happens at the same time
Speaker 3: you have auction levels drop a certain amount for a
Speaker 3: certain amount of time.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 3: That's all an APNA episode is. Sleep apnea is then
Speaker 3: when that happens anywhere, well, it has happened at least
Speaker 3: five or more times per hour over the course of
Speaker 3: the night. So if you sleep eight hours, five time
Speaker 3: is eight. If anyone has a mathematical PhD, you can
Speaker 3: figure that one out about forty events per night. That's
Speaker 3: all it takes, right to then have a sleep apnea
Speaker 3: a diagnosis, and then you know it breaks down to
Speaker 3: different categories. But that's where it starts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a heart episode in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: When I went into the doctor, uh, they put a
Speaker 1: stint in one carnary artery. But the other thing he said,
Speaker 1: have you been tested for sleep apnea? And this is
Speaker 1: the training, And of course I did get tested. I
Speaker 1: came back, it came back with moderate sleep apnea. They
Speaker 1: immediately recommended the SEAPAP machine, which stands for a continuous
Speaker 1: positive airway pressure, and in my case, my insurance covered it.
Speaker 1: But it was still a thousand dollars machine, which is
Speaker 1: not cheap. And I did it twice and I couldn't
Speaker 1: stand it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very typical.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, talk about that because those machines are
Speaker 1: that's the standard recommendation, is these damn machines. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the research has shown if you're a doctor Joe,
Speaker 3: when you're a sleep a specialist, you have one hundred
Speaker 3: patients and you give them all SEPAP within one year,
Speaker 3: within twelve months, which may range from day two to
Speaker 3: day hundred and like three hundred and sixty five, about
Speaker 3: forty percent of them will still be on it. So
Speaker 3: you lose a lot of people right away, and then
Speaker 3: of those forty percent, about half of them will say
Speaker 3: they experience benefit from it at all. So it's one
Speaker 3: of those things where there will be people who they
Speaker 3: love it, and that's great, they name it. I'm not saying,
Speaker 3: you know, no one should stop their receipt PAP. They
Speaker 3: love and their responding well to it awesome, But at
Speaker 3: the same time, we shouldn't sacrifice the silent perhaps even
Speaker 3: gas lit majority for the minority experience and also expert opinion, right,
Speaker 3: because one of those things where you know, mostly medicine
Speaker 3: doctors are probably not a SEAPAP and it makes times
Speaker 3: for me like, yeah, I use this thing. But if
Speaker 3: like you know, any sort of treatments like oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: so you're gonna put this on your face and hope
Speaker 3: you're not clostrochhrobic, and if it stays on, yeah, and
Speaker 3: if it doesn't come off from the middle of the night,
Speaker 3: and also if it doesn't like dry your face out,
Speaker 3: and if you don't react to it, and if you
Speaker 3: aren't using the Phillips ones that gives you like lung cancer.
Speaker 3: You know, if all that happens, might be okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a it's a nefarious industry. In your book,
Speaker 1: you talk about Phillips. The vision sued for one point
Speaker 1: one billion dollars recently because of people having all kinds
Speaker 1: of health issues that use this seepap machine. And but
Speaker 1: then again, if we look at it from historical point
Speaker 1: of view, in the fifties up to the seventies, the
Speaker 1: solution was a tracheometry, you know.
Speaker 4: Which is it is a step up. You give give
Speaker 4: them credit, but it's all it's also it's so invasive.
Speaker 4: It's like, this is the model of allopathy. Is they
Speaker 4: forget about the holistic aspect and they get into the
Speaker 4: commercial machine. They spend billions on making these machines that
Speaker 4: you're telling us that only forty percent of people use
Speaker 4: them after they begin. And then there's all all kinds
Speaker 4: of crazy medical procedures. There's one that you write about
Speaker 4: that I've been seeing. It's called inspire therapy, where they
Speaker 4: shock the system into breathing again. And this is something
Speaker 4: that looks really cool because they don't they show it
Speaker 4: on TV. They don't show the surgical procedure, they don't
Speaker 4: show the tune ups and the adjustments to this procedure.
Speaker 3: They have great advertising, it's good stuff.
Speaker 1: It's horrible, horribly invasive. So this is what we're facebook,
Speaker 1: and this is why you're on the program, Dylan, is
Speaker 1: the fact that they don't go to the to the source,
Speaker 1: which is a holistic approach and look at nutrition, look
Speaker 1: at exercise, look at lifestyle as a causation. So I'm
Speaker 1: kind of speaking over you a little bit, but i
Speaker 1: just want our listeners to get a sense of why
Speaker 1: it's important to go to the source, to go back
Speaker 1: to the beginning and see where you are nutritionally, where
Speaker 1: you are stress wise, where you are on a more
Speaker 1: naturalistic or holistic balance scale as a starting point. When
Speaker 1: you are it's determined that you are a candidate for
Speaker 1: sleep apnea. So can we go back a little bit
Speaker 1: and let's talk about the CPAP machine and the problems
Speaker 1: associated with it, most notably the the the problems with
Speaker 1: the body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely the biggest problem. You can't you can't get
Speaker 3: a custom color on the outside and a lot of
Speaker 3: people on it. So that's not a problem. But uh,
Speaker 3: these just they just don't have personalized medicine like they
Speaker 3: show nowadays. Maybe want a green one, but with let's
Speaker 3: just go through the whole thing. So yeah, so let's
Speaker 3: starry with the Phillips things. So the CPI has like
Speaker 3: a lot of parts, like there's filters and all these things,
Speaker 3: and you know they're going to be using a lot
Speaker 3: of polymers to create that. I know a lot of
Speaker 3: people are are more familiar with microplastics. What I'm about
Speaker 3: to discuss is not microplastics per se, but just the
Speaker 3: idea of if I if I have like if this
Speaker 3: is a plastic bottle, this is a green bottle, and
Speaker 3: it's not a highnech can it's it's mountain values to
Speaker 3: bring everyone. But if you are interacting with this plastic
Speaker 3: thing all the time, you're gonna get some of that
Speaker 3: plastic in you. I think I hope people are starting
Speaker 3: to understand that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Now let's say you have continuous air force from the
Speaker 3: pressure from the sea path and then you have these
Speaker 3: actual like foam particles now coming out of it in
Speaker 3: some of these defective machines. This is what the lawsuit
Speaker 3: was about. And then all these people, you know, get
Speaker 3: lung cancer and all these things that go downhill. That's
Speaker 3: what's known And if anyone's a historian of pharmaceutical tobacco,
Speaker 3: those are kind of the main two. The kind of
Speaker 3: the scheme is, let's make a bunch of money, get ahead,
Speaker 3: and these lossits will happen, and we'll we'll they'll, you know,
Speaker 3: it'll it'll. It'll pan out in terms of revenue and
Speaker 3: then revenue loss from the lawsuits. But with other things
Speaker 3: around seedpaps to consider. One, I do think microplastics are
Speaker 3: going to be an issue with those over time. It
Speaker 3: just kind of makes sense to me. Number two is
Speaker 3: also mold exposure because a lot of people, whether they're
Speaker 3: not taught or told, they use this thing or stored improperly,
Speaker 3: they don't change out the filter that will start to
Speaker 3: become a hotbed of all sorts of interesting things that
Speaker 3: you're then breathing in you know, two date hours airway inflammation,
Speaker 3: and it's like more upper airway like in your mouth
Speaker 3: like setup. Because again, if you're just constantly having air there,
Speaker 3: that's going to create friction. And then what else can
Speaker 3: we go through this? Let's even go electromygnetic because a
Speaker 3: lot of these things has a heating coil. It's gonna
Speaker 3: put electric field on your face. A lot of these
Speaker 3: are hooked up to Wi Fi for some on godly reason.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why you want that. That's going to
Speaker 3: rate you. It's just this whole laundruls of things. Again,
Speaker 3: you know there's someone who might experience a lit benefit
Speaker 3: from it, but there's when something is not amazing, we
Speaker 3: need to ask ourselves like why this is and what
Speaker 3: the risk and benefits are. And I'm like, why there's
Speaker 3: other things that are better? Because kind of to your
Speaker 3: point of where a very common path is good doctor sepap,
Speaker 3: All right, you're in the algorithm, You're you're moving on
Speaker 3: to square. Now you get a seapap that didn't work.
Speaker 3: Have we tried have we tried lecturing the patient? Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's do that, and then maybe let's try different masks.
Speaker 3: Let's may we try bypap, let's try some surgeries out
Speaker 3: and then well, I mean not try it per se,
Speaker 3: but people might get like their uvula taken out, it's
Speaker 3: a little thing hanging down in the back. Maybe they
Speaker 3: get some rotoscoping down their their nose. Maybe you mentioned
Speaker 3: the Inspire, which is thinking about like a pacemaker for
Speaker 3: your tongue in a way that doesn't make it sound
Speaker 3: any more pleasant, but you know it's a device that
Speaker 3: shocks your tongue such that it stays more tone and
Speaker 3: out of your airway. That's like the simplest explanation of it.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 1: my guestterday, doctor Dylan Pitkiss, discussing his new book Sleep
Speaker 1: Apnea Solutions. Will be right back. My guess today is
Speaker 1: doctor Dylan Petkiss. He has written a book called The
Speaker 1: Sleep Apnea Solutions, and we're learning today just how you
Speaker 1: can avoid using a cpath machine or dangerous surgery. Does
Speaker 1: it actually work though this Inspire method? Because I can't
Speaker 1: find any documentation I haven't really looked that deep though,
Speaker 1: But they're saying it's the new miracle procedure. But it's
Speaker 1: a surgical procedure. And what you write about is that
Speaker 1: just because they do it once, it doesn't mean it's
Speaker 1: gonna work. They have to kind of tune it, tune
Speaker 1: it up or or adjust it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so modern medicine is a cure with the story
Speaker 3: of like ten ifs behind it right, like we're gonna
Speaker 3: put this in, and if it's in the right position,
Speaker 3: if the wire went through your neck properly, and if
Speaker 3: you're not reacting to the surgical sites, and if you
Speaker 3: know it settles correctly, and if we find the right cause,
Speaker 3: like it's not just on off, it's more like think
Speaker 3: of like a volume remote. You gotta have different settings
Speaker 3: of different electrical current going through it. If we find
Speaker 3: the right level for you and if you're by because
Speaker 3: sometimes people like like they get to an eight out
Speaker 3: of ten super arbitrary scale, it's not what it is.
Speaker 3: They get to an eight out of ten on the
Speaker 3: shock scale, then like maybe it stops working and like
Speaker 3: maybe they go up, maybe they have to go down
Speaker 3: for a little bit and then back, Like there's this
Speaker 3: whole adjustment period. And then if again it's it's staying fine,
Speaker 3: et cetera, and heaven forbid if you ever need an
Speaker 3: MRI or something. Okay, like there's a lot. Now again,
Speaker 3: there's some people who it works for and rave about it.
Speaker 3: But again it just has so many like if we
Speaker 3: compare it to like some of the things I mentioned,
Speaker 3: just the opposite, like eat earlier at dinner, raise the
Speaker 3: head of your bed. Uh, you know, do some breathing exercises.
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't gotten any email yet in many,
Speaker 3: many years of like, oh man, you know I did
Speaker 3: these breathe exercises and like I can't see anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm blind.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess that person wouldn't be emailing me. They
Speaker 3: you know, they would struggle to find the keyboard. So
Speaker 3: maybe I should have a better example.
Speaker 1: But no, your you're trained is an allopath, and so
Speaker 1: I can hear it in your voice that you're kind
Speaker 1: of disgusted at your your brethren, uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: the medical experimentation that is FDA approved. I don't know
Speaker 1: how Inspire therapy can be improved, but obviously they pushed
Speaker 1: it through and paid tens of billions, tens of millions
Speaker 1: of dollars in the to some of.
Speaker 3: The old technology. It's an old technology, like FDA approval
Speaker 3: for it's it's uh so if you want to think
Speaker 3: like the FDA, I would first encourage you to just
Speaker 3: stop thinking. That's like step one. Step two. Is one
Speaker 3: of the biggest things that allows them to be thing
Speaker 3: forward is if it is similar to something that has
Speaker 3: existed in the past. So INSPIRE is just a type
Speaker 3: of a hypoglossal nerve stimulator. So there's been different iterations
Speaker 3: of this over like decades. Oh really, so this is yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's why like approving slight variations of it or
Speaker 3: large variations, uh, it is pretty easy. Whereas like if
Speaker 3: I wanted to make a device, I don't know, if
Speaker 3: I wanted to make a device out of this bottle
Speaker 3: that helped you breathe better, and all you had to
Speaker 3: do was like blowing it for five minutes. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: a couple million maybe two to four years later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's scary what these doctors are
Speaker 1: doing to people. I as I mentioned, I didn't find
Speaker 1: any use for a CEPAP machine. But before we get
Speaker 1: into the solutions that you offer in your book, which
Speaker 1: are very holistic. Talk about mouthguards, because I've tried using
Speaker 1: the mouthguard. One of the one of the mouth guards
Speaker 1: I use sucks your tongue out to the front of
Speaker 1: your mouth, and I was miserable because I kept freaking out.
Speaker 1: I put it in and I wake up in an
Speaker 1: hour hour later thinking what's going on? But do those
Speaker 1: actually work?
Speaker 3: Those whether it a tongue suction device or like through mouthguard,
Speaker 3: tongue suction. Okay, yah, So it can work because there's
Speaker 3: all these things, right, there's tongue suction, there's like a
Speaker 3: straw you talk on, there's all sorts of different things.
Speaker 3: If that is like you're one in primary issue and
Speaker 3: again it's the only issue. Yeah, it can work. Now
Speaker 3: A big if to it, though, because when like you're
Speaker 3: pulling your tongue forward, not the most comfortable thing, and
Speaker 3: we'll sleep apnea if I do like a little side
Speaker 3: profile here. One of the big problems is the towent
Speaker 3: that the tongue is down and back here, right, and
Speaker 3: it's used to sitting here a lot, so if you
Speaker 3: try to pull forward, it can be a very uncomfortable
Speaker 3: stretch and some people, I mean, it just doesn't really
Speaker 3: jive with them. But again, if if you're able, and
Speaker 3: if that's like the strict only problem, then yeah. But
Speaker 3: like like on the on the converse, let's say the
Speaker 3: tongue is not the problem. It's really like the positioning
Speaker 3: of your jaw, and then you still have the bad
Speaker 3: breathing pattern. Then it's it's not going to be your
Speaker 3: sort of go to thing.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Before we jump into your solutions, I want you
Speaker 1: to address some of the what you call hidden nutritional
Speaker 1: demands of sleep and also hormones for sleep recovery. So
Speaker 1: one of the things about sleep apnea that you discussed
Speaker 1: and sleep in general is that when you don't get
Speaker 1: a good sleep, it deprives the body of nutrients. Talk
Speaker 1: about that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So just like when if car analogy, I mean,
Speaker 3: like if you yeah, let's go the car analogy. I'm
Speaker 3: not a car guy though, so God help us all
Speaker 3: with this one. So you have like an issue you
Speaker 3: with your your brake pad, right, so you're gonna now
Speaker 3: rely on your emergency break Okay, this is shaping up
Speaker 3: to be a good one when you do that all
Speaker 3: the time. Like if you use your emergency breake to
Speaker 3: stop all the time. Your car is gonna wear and
Speaker 3: tear differently, right, especially around the emergency break. And then
Speaker 3: one day you're gon be have no breaks available to
Speaker 3: you with our body. If you're not sitting well or
Speaker 3: you don't sleep all that night, the next day, your
Speaker 3: body is going to be in a different metabolic state.
Speaker 3: So here's you know, say you have good sleep metabolism
Speaker 3: and you have bad sleep metabolism. Okay, bad sleep metabolism
Speaker 3: needs to act a different way to make up for
Speaker 3: like your brain being sluggish, yourselves being tired, et cetera,
Speaker 3: and good state metabolism doesn't need to do that. So
Speaker 3: when you're constantly in bad state metabolism, your body is
Speaker 3: hoping and also strategize and thinking, this is just a
Speaker 3: short term problem. Let's just get through today, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of drive around with the emergency break. The problem
Speaker 3: becomes when you do that all the time in that
Speaker 3: bad state metabolism, bad sleep, and there's going to be
Speaker 3: certain nutrients that will be selectively depleted. So one such
Speaker 3: is that when you're in bad sleep metabolism, you will
Speaker 3: burn sugar preferentially to fat. Right as a result, you
Speaker 3: will use more of those enzymes one of the most
Speaker 3: prominent ones is thiamine or inviting B one and then
Speaker 3: you'll use that up and that's not good for a
Speaker 3: lot of reasons. Number One, that's also a vitamin that
Speaker 3: is essential for a certain part of your brain called
Speaker 3: the mammillary bodies. We're not producing milk care that is
Speaker 3: connected to your breathing centers. So for low thiamine, which
Speaker 3: is a prevalent nutrient in an air of your brain
Speaker 3: that controls breathing, gonna make things worse. So that's like
Speaker 3: probably one of the top ones. There's a whole lot
Speaker 3: of them. So another one being magnesium, because again when
Speaker 3: you're carbohydrometabolism, you will also deplete magnesium. Another one being copper,
Speaker 3: is a big one because of just all the different
Speaker 3: properties and and poor you go much deeper on that.
Speaker 3: Not people shouldn't like go put pennies in their socks
Speaker 3: because of this. But the or take a bunch of it,
Speaker 3: be careful is that when we think about sleep, there's
Speaker 3: different things like the production of melatonin, different enzymes like superoxide, dismutaste,
Speaker 3: all these different things. They rely on copper. And again,
Speaker 3: if we're sleeping poorly, we're inefficient, that's gonna be overused,
Speaker 3: et cetera. And also copper is used very often as
Speaker 3: an antioxidant inside of your cells. You're not sleeping well,
Speaker 3: you're having damage to night, You're gonna have more inflammation
Speaker 3: and then that's going to cause a lot of issues
Speaker 3: and then use up that nutrient there. Also, like certain
Speaker 3: fatty acids will be depleted, right, whether it's like coaline,
Speaker 3: fossilile searing. I mean, these are lippets, I guess, but
Speaker 3: those will be things that just start to go downhill.
Speaker 3: And this is also why let's say someone uses a seatpad,
Speaker 3: appatungue section whatever. Just breathing, Okay, it is a necessary
Speaker 3: part of good sleep, but it is not sufficient. Right,
Speaker 3: Like for if you want to make smores, wood is necessary,
Speaker 3: but you are not going to make OUI guy smores
Speaker 3: just if you have a pile of pine in the
Speaker 3: background and in the in the backyard, you eat all
Speaker 3: the other ingredients. So that's why when people like they're
Speaker 3: breathing better or whatever, or they're using one of these
Speaker 3: treatments and feel better, but they're still like there's something missing.
Speaker 3: And that's because they were depleted of these nutrients that
Speaker 3: are not just going to magically come back because you're
Speaker 3: breathing better.
Speaker 1: I think one of the problems with modern society is
Speaker 1: people don't have a sense of their bodies and they'll
Speaker 1: go to a physician and hoping the physician will be
Speaker 1: able to figure out what they're what's going on, and
Speaker 1: the solution, the bag of solutions for allopathic medicine is
Speaker 1: unfortunately very small. It's it's pharmaceutical drugs, it's surgical procedures,
Speaker 1: and of course if you if you have a cancer
Speaker 1: of some kind, they can address it with radiation, which
Speaker 1: isn't a solution at all. And I think what you're
Speaker 1: offering is for people to begin coming back home and
Speaker 1: going what's your body talking to you about? How are
Speaker 1: you feeling, how are you functioning? And this is where
Speaker 1: these remedies are coming through. I think one of the
Speaker 1: last things I want to mention before we get into
Speaker 1: your solutions is the fact that ce paps the serious thing.
Speaker 1: And I think you write that you can it depletes
Speaker 1: up to ten or more years of your life. You lose,
Speaker 1: you know, years by dealing with this from a non
Speaker 1: holistic point of view, talk just briefly about.
Speaker 3: Yeah safe, Yeah, it's going to reduce life expectancy by
Speaker 3: about eight to ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Quality of like, so there's there's lifespan and health spent. Right,
Speaker 3: lifespan how long are you alive? Right? Modern medicine is
Speaker 3: kind of helping out with that. But then if your
Speaker 3: last like twenty years or a nursing home, do you
Speaker 3: really care if you added twenty years to your life? Right?
Speaker 3: So health span is how healthy are you in those years?
Speaker 3: Sleep apnion will take about like twenty years off of
Speaker 3: the health span. So that means is basically, if you're sixty,
Speaker 3: you're gonna feel like you're eighty. Yeah, And obviously that's
Speaker 3: not what we want. And this happens because well, mortality wise,
Speaker 3: well zooming out. Sleep apnie is a double edged sword
Speaker 3: in that your body is damaging itself at night and
Speaker 3: then also you have no ability to repair at nights.
Speaker 3: It would be you know, if we had one. Okay,
Speaker 3: you have both, and that's how thinks.
Speaker 1: Which is what you're saying is when you're sleeping, the
Speaker 1: body is repairing itself.
Speaker 3: Yes, well should be, but if you're gasping for air
Speaker 3: every twenty seconds, it will not be right. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: so then all the systems will start to fall apart.
Speaker 3: That's why I like, pretty much every single major disease
Speaker 3: goes up by like two threefold in sleep, apnea, whether
Speaker 3: it's strokes, heart attacks, those are the big ones. You know,
Speaker 3: Diabetes goes up, cancer goes up. I mean, I know,
Speaker 3: car accidents are not a disease, but it's still at
Speaker 3: the same endpoint. Those skyrocket just you know, really everything
Speaker 3: just groes dementia way up. Those are all the major
Speaker 3: things from that.
Speaker 1: Okay. In chapter four you get into breathing, talk about
Speaker 1: the sleep method. This is one of your babies here,
Speaker 1: one of.
Speaker 3: Your great acronym, great great acronym here. So sleep stands
Speaker 3: for slow breathing. Is the the S there. And then
Speaker 3: I'm really going to forget my own acronym. I always
Speaker 3: wondered how artists forget their own lyrics, and now I'm
Speaker 3: at this juncture here. So it's lower stress, established go
Speaker 3: arcade rhythm, and then environment is the fourth letter, and
Speaker 3: then P is prioritize nutrition. All right, So right with nutrition?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Yes, so got quized in my own book. I think
Speaker 3: I passed. I haven't studied beyond chapter four, so don't
Speaker 3: but so when looking at that, I know it's five letters.
Speaker 3: The first one is the most important, slow breathing, okay,
Speaker 3: and then the other things are like if you lump
Speaker 3: them all again, they're equally important. Now that being said,
Speaker 3: some people may have a lot of room for improvement
Speaker 3: in one like environmental you have like a moldy pillow. Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't care if you're doing all the fun breathing
Speaker 3: exercise during the day. If you're breathing like mold for
Speaker 3: eight hours, might be a problem. So the first one
Speaker 3: slow breathing. So the basic premise of all of this
Speaker 3: is that firstly, BAPA is fast. Irregular breathing will trigger
Speaker 3: airway collapse. Even like and this holds true if you
Speaker 3: have like nasal polyps, big tongue, big uvula, you have
Speaker 3: a narrow trichea for some reason, those are just like
Speaker 3: things that increase the risk of this being triggered. But
Speaker 3: also that like anatomical basis, this is why you functionally
Speaker 3: develop the fast breathing pattern in the first place, because
Speaker 3: instead of having a bigger airway, you have a smaller airway.
Speaker 3: And if you've ever for fun walked around your day
Speaker 3: breathing through a straw One, it's not fun. Two because
Speaker 3: it's a more you know, a smaller hole, you have
Speaker 3: to breathe faster just to keep up. So when you
Speaker 3: do that, when you have a narrow airway, you're going
Speaker 3: to have a faster breathing pattern by the fault. And
Speaker 3: then it was kind of cascading and gain this sort
Speaker 3: of momentum. So if the problem is fast, the solution
Speaker 3: is slow, right, mind blowing, And a lot of these
Speaker 3: drills revolve around that. So slow breathing and its core
Speaker 3: is just like I mean, we can go over a
Speaker 3: few exercises this year, like let's say you inhale for
Speaker 3: like four and then exhale for eight. Okay, so usually
Speaker 3: having sort of like a ratio of a longer exhale
Speaker 3: to an inhale.
Speaker 1: What's four and eight for an account or count? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the hold the breath you mean you.
Speaker 3: Like inhale, take like four seconds inhale and then take
Speaker 3: eight seconds to exhale. Okay, nice and slow? Okay, all right,
Speaker 3: So let's say we do that. That would take us
Speaker 3: about well, I kind of want to be even. So
Speaker 3: let's say with you five and ten out, we now
Speaker 3: have a breathing rate of four breasts per minute, right,
Speaker 3: And if someone can't figure out how we got there,
Speaker 3: don't worry. There will be a book on that calculation
Speaker 3: coming up next year. I'm joking it. It's just fifteen
Speaker 3: seconds to four, so we're not having the four breast permit.
Speaker 3: Usually just walk around the day someone's at like twelve
Speaker 3: or sixteen seconds. Sorry, twelve or sixteen breast permitt So
Speaker 3: the idea is, you do some drills and you bring
Speaker 3: your breathing rate to slow because you kind of live
Speaker 3: kind of fast if we're backing our thermostat analogy, but
Speaker 3: we bring ourselves to slow so that when you go
Speaker 3: by your day and recalibrate, you're kind of good. A
Speaker 3: little bit slower, just a little bit right. You're not
Speaker 3: gonna like stop breathing, and in doing so, that starts
Speaker 3: to rewire how your brain and your body works together
Speaker 3: to calm down your breathing thermostat to then allow things
Speaker 3: to be slower at nights. That's the big thing. People
Speaker 3: will ask like, well, okay, cool, did ten minutes of
Speaker 3: box breathing or something else? But I don't control how
Speaker 3: I sleep at night. And the good news is you
Speaker 3: don't control how you sleep ever your brain.
Speaker 1: So are you saying by doing this practice that the
Speaker 1: body naturally will conform to that rhythm. Yes, because it's
Speaker 1: more comfortable, or because the body understands that what you're
Speaker 1: trying to do is bring it back to homeostasis or something.
Speaker 3: You're retraining it. So by breathing slower, the main there's
Speaker 3: different things, but the main thing is that your CO
Speaker 3: two levels are going up in your body. Okay, that's
Speaker 3: not a bad thing. It's a natural thing that happens
Speaker 3: when CO two goes up and you're not breathing in
Speaker 3: response to that, you're you're making your thermostat less sensitive,
Speaker 3: you know, all the way to go. We said, the
Speaker 3: big problem is you're breathing thermostats way too sensitive. It
Speaker 3: sees a little bit of CO two and then it
Speaker 3: freaks out makes you breathe. But when you do these exercises,
Speaker 3: see CO two goes up, you're breathing thermostats like, oh
Speaker 3: there's CO two and cautiously you're preventing yourself from breathing. Well,
Speaker 3: you're breathing slower, so then your breathing thermostat is okay.
Speaker 3: With higher amounts of CO two okay, And then as
Speaker 3: a result, you will breathe slower like your Your breathing
Speaker 3: center does not freak out every single time it sees
Speaker 3: the molecule CO two. It feels more safety around that.
Speaker 3: So then at night you follow that pattern or you're
Speaker 3: close to it.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool. So how much is the sleep or excuse me,
Speaker 1: the breathing exercises a critical and the other aspects too.
Speaker 1: Is it all the less stress, the enhanced environment, nutrition
Speaker 1: and the breathing exercises. Is that what's needed for the change?
Speaker 1: Or is the breathing the most important?
Speaker 3: I would say the breathing is going to bring the
Speaker 3: majority of the results. So if I had to make
Speaker 3: a vent diagram, or now we have a vent diagram
Speaker 3: a pie chart, I would say breathing is for of
Speaker 3: the results. Strengthening your airway muscles is probably maybe twenty
Speaker 3: or thirty percent, and then the lifestyle factors are the
Speaker 3: remaining amount.
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, doctor Dylan Petkiss, discussing his new book,
Speaker 1: The Sleep Apnea Solution. Will be right back. My guest
Speaker 1: today is doctor Dylan Petgist. He has written a book
Speaker 1: called The Sleep Apnea Solution, and this is a holistic
Speaker 1: look at treating and resolving sleep apnea. So this is
Speaker 1: the big problem when you write about this is that
Speaker 1: people typically eat too much processed food, they don't exercise enough,
Speaker 1: they are in environments that are completely stress stress related,
Speaker 1: and these all contribute to sleep apnea. So, and I
Speaker 1: know you have case state. In a minute, I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you for a couple of Should I ask you
Speaker 1: for some case studies Betty, Tim John and so on.
Speaker 1: That's probably not gonna be great. Maybe off the top
Speaker 1: of your head, you can provide a suggestion of somebody
Speaker 1: who came in with moderate to severe sleep apnea and
Speaker 1: went through the pet cat a system of breathing.
Speaker 3: The super duper Peccas Powerful Breathing Regimen trademark pending no
Speaker 3: one's steal that name. I know it's really catchy. So
Speaker 3: like for like examples of lifestyle change, people have used
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because obviously you've been doing this for at
Speaker 1: least what a couple of years, and your books filled
Speaker 1: with examples of people who actually follow the programs and
Speaker 1: got relief. M hm. So do you have anybody you
Speaker 1: can refer to who perhaps had moderative severe sleep apnea
Speaker 1: and got relief? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I wasn't sure if you were asking about,
Speaker 3: like someone who changed your diet. So yeah, we have
Speaker 3: a lot of people. So one guy, we'll call him T.
Speaker 3: I guess the just go with initials. So he was
Speaker 3: on the younger side. I think it was that modern severe.
Speaker 3: I don't remember his exact hi. And yes, the breathing
Speaker 3: was a big problem, but his environment was a super
Speaker 3: duper big problem, like really bad mold. So not only
Speaker 3: working on the environmental side of being less exposed to it,
Speaker 3: but then also when you breathe in mold a long time,
Speaker 3: it will colonize your airway, which is exactly as pleasant
Speaker 3: as it sounds. So using certain things like there's a
Speaker 3: it's like an herbal nasal spray. It's like getting punched
Speaker 3: in the face by a regano but the yeah, it's spicy,
Speaker 3: but that will start to break up some like the biofilms,
Speaker 3: et cetera, so that you can breathe through your nose,
Speaker 3: because nasal breathing is of paramount importance for sleep ap
Speaker 3: you know, and then also his body security rhythm was
Speaker 3: like really off, so he was like, you know, up
Speaker 3: super early, waking up all the time at night to
Speaker 3: being able to get his like rhythm into a good place,
Speaker 3: like being sure is like he's getting out in the
Speaker 3: sun and like getting that sort of signal to his
Speaker 3: body and then making sure, you know, his sleep hygiene
Speaker 3: like dark curtains, all that was in place, so he
Speaker 3: could be in a much much better spot around that there.
Speaker 1: So are you recommending this, Stilan? Are You're the one
Speaker 1: that's hearing from this individual and you're saying, okay, it's
Speaker 1: do an analysis of your sleep patterns and what you
Speaker 1: do to prepare for bed kind of thing.
Speaker 3: So when someone's sharing like, hey, this is like my
Speaker 3: night routine, it doesn't oh, it doesn't take me long,
Speaker 3: which I guess is kind of the point of being like, oh, hey,
Speaker 3: like these are kind of the three points of optimization
Speaker 3: around like your behaviors from eight pm to eight am
Speaker 3: when you're trying to get to sleep here and then
Speaker 3: we just like optimize those camputus. So like, what are
Speaker 3: you doing like your night routine? Okay, you have a
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's had a night light. I don't
Speaker 3: think anyone would get that far to me, but like
Speaker 3: they're they get up in the middle of the night
Speaker 3: and then they decide to like read with like all
Speaker 3: the lights on their living room, Like what are we
Speaker 3: doing here? So like things like that, right, or maybe
Speaker 3: like the diet they're eating is just like super like
Speaker 3: supercar heavy, like very low protein, et cetera. So their
Speaker 3: bodies like in that really bad you know, kind of
Speaker 3: in that bad metaialism state, right, Like they're just beating
Speaker 3: it more and more carbs and playing more and more
Speaker 3: than the nutrients. So we want to be able to
Speaker 3: have them focus on those components to restore the whole
Speaker 3: picture there.
Speaker 1: Interesting you mentioned the circadian rhythm. Talk about that because
Speaker 1: that's an important aspect of wellness that I wasn't really
Speaker 1: familiar with. And it seems to me when man Ki
Speaker 1: was more earth centered, when we were out in the
Speaker 1: nature more and sleeping out under the stars and so
Speaker 1: forth and so on, we were much healthier. But talk
Speaker 1: about the circadian rhythm. What it is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So circadian rhythm is when your body does what
Speaker 3: in the simplest essence and the extension of that is
Speaker 3: when your body does what when it's appropriate to do.
Speaker 3: So that's like the biggest thing. So like we live
Speaker 3: our lives and it's like I'm in here with like
Speaker 3: these lights, you know, and then like I don't know,
Speaker 3: it could be two am for all anyone knows. For me,
Speaker 3: maybe I live in I don't know where the heck
Speaker 3: could be two am, Alaska or something I don't know, Singapore.
Speaker 3: And that's how people go about their life, right. It's
Speaker 3: like it's nine PM. You're sitting watching TV and you
Speaker 3: have this light that's hitting your retina and saying, I
Speaker 3: know it's nine pm, but it's actually based on this light,
Speaker 3: it's really one pp And then we wonder, well, why
Speaker 3: why am I not taller? Sort of thing. So it's
Speaker 3: just being able to make sure that you don't have
Speaker 3: things disrupting your bias circa rhythm. So like light at
Speaker 3: the wrong time is like one of the top culprits,
Speaker 3: you know, having too much blue light at well. I
Speaker 3: mean really any sort of artificial light at night is
Speaker 3: going to then disrupt your rhythm. Or maybe you're just
Speaker 3: like in sheer darkness all day. Like if I sit
Speaker 3: in my office all day, it's not very bright it
Speaker 3: comparison outside. So lux is the intensity of brightness perceived
Speaker 3: by the the object. In an office, maybe it's around
Speaker 3: five hundred lucks. Maybe in like a bright annoying office,
Speaker 3: it's like maybe seven hundred. You step outside on a
Speaker 3: cloudy day, it's going to be at least ten thousand lucks.
Speaker 3: Like you're outside Canada, let's say, in Canada, cloudy day,
Speaker 3: because people in Canada are like, oh, there's no sun here.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, there's about, you know, a thousand times
Speaker 3: more light outside than inside, no matter how cloud it is.
Speaker 3: But as humans, if we just are inside offices all day,
Speaker 3: we miss out on that huge signal. And then the
Speaker 3: darkness prevents us from a relative darkness prevents us from
Speaker 3: having a good, healthy circadian rhythm there. So it's kind
Speaker 3: of the two pieces the things that disrupt it, and
Speaker 3: then also not having a signal like being outside in
Speaker 3: the sun to tell your eye, to tell your brain like, hey,
Speaker 3: it's this time of the days, let's do these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought it was interesting you spent time on
Speaker 1: being physically in natural sunlight. You actually say that people
Speaker 1: should go out in the morning and kind of bathe
Speaker 1: for a few minutes in the natural sunlight, which keeps
Speaker 1: this circadian rhythm flowing. You know, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: enhancement of some kind of natural enhancement that we perhaps
Speaker 1: were used to it in an earlier version of humanity.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing, and you just mentioned it
Speaker 1: is reduced light at nighttime. I guess you're right. If
Speaker 1: we're in if we're bathed in artificial light, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a stimulant, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean that's exactly why it is made.
Speaker 3: So like a lot of these environmental things like office work,
Speaker 3: warehouse work, if you look at like, oh geez, I
Speaker 3: forget when this research is. But the basic premise is
Speaker 3: how can we maximize productivity in our workers without like
Speaker 3: killing them today It's kind of the whole basic premise.
Speaker 3: So there's like certain temperatures of light like color temperature,
Speaker 3: not light, not hot to the touch, but like the
Speaker 3: how they're how blue they are if you will and
Speaker 3: there's a certain level, then if you do that, that
Speaker 3: will maximize productivity. And then if you layer in then
Speaker 3: this craze of overcraze of like environmental efficiency. You have
Speaker 3: to have led lights or you're a bad person. Then
Speaker 3: that becomes another like non human alien sort of like
Speaker 3: source of light that is then going to not interact
Speaker 3: well with human biology.
Speaker 1: Right, you have a chapter on the environment which I
Speaker 1: thought was interesting, and you mentioned a couple of things
Speaker 1: like electromagnetic frequency, which is like being around machines that
Speaker 1: are pumping out electricity. If your room's full of devices
Speaker 1: and something that that's not a good thing. Talk about
Speaker 1: that for a minute. Well why would that be a problem.
Speaker 1: Is it the electrical current?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's do ams and one hundred and seconds flat.
Speaker 3: So electromatic field or also know as our electromenic radiations.
Speaker 3: Anytime you have an electron that accelerates, which I know
Speaker 3: we're all like in you know, steady state versus acceleration
Speaker 3: and increasing velocities, it will produce a wave of energy
Speaker 3: in the series of photons in differentquencies. Right, So, if
Speaker 3: I had a phone nearby, I don't know where it is, Like,
Speaker 3: I guess that's my next thing to do. Find my phone.
Speaker 3: It will be around. Like there's different bandlists like nine
Speaker 3: hundred megaherds, eighteen hundred megaherds, even two point four gigaherts.
Speaker 3: Our microwave is about two point four gigahertz. That's what
Speaker 3: that is. So those electrons are making things that jiggle
Speaker 3: very fast across space and time. Our body relies on
Speaker 3: charged particles to move around in a very precise manner,
Speaker 3: like a you know, like figure skater, like Disney figure
Speaker 3: skater like Lilo and Stitch on ice times ten billion
Speaker 3: is what's going on on the side of ourselves. And
Speaker 3: if you have an electromatic field or radiation, whether it's
Speaker 3: from the computer screen, whether it's from my microphone, whether
Speaker 3: it's from the CPU on my computer here going around
Speaker 3: like you know a billion times a second, that is
Speaker 3: going to make my electrically charged positive or negative particles jiggle.
Speaker 3: All right, that's going to make it very harder for
Speaker 3: biology to do its job. Okay, it's not going to
Speaker 3: be a very good is it, Lilo or I don't
Speaker 3: forget what it is, but like you know, it's not
Speaker 3: going to be a great show practically how that pans out.
Speaker 3: So I was talking about like a cepap. It can
Speaker 3: also be like like the number one culprit is like
Speaker 3: people have their cell phone and then they charge it
Speaker 3: on their nightstand and then you have this big electric
Speaker 3: field from the electricity coming from the wall socket to
Speaker 3: the phone, and then you have your phone on right
Speaker 3: it still having still transmitting signals, whether it's to a
Speaker 3: cell phone tower, whether it's to your WiFi, and it's
Speaker 3: doing that a whole lot, and your apps are updating
Speaker 3: all the time, they're always pinging back and forth. That
Speaker 3: is going to then disrupt how your boy does things.
Speaker 3: That's why the research is showing, like you have these things,
Speaker 3: et cetera, it's going to lower, like, for instance, lower
Speaker 3: your production of melatonin, your sleep parma. Not exactly what
Speaker 3: we want if we want to have better sleep here.
Speaker 3: And it's super easy to mitigate too, because like eighty
Speaker 3: to ninety percent of our exposure are things like I
Speaker 3: just mentioned of, where like instead of charging your cell
Speaker 3: phone in your nightstand, maybe charge it in your bathroom
Speaker 3: eleven point seven feet away, and that will like dramatically
Speaker 3: reduce the exposure because it follows like the inverse square
Speaker 3: law here where am I there? Basically the closer you
Speaker 3: are exponentially gets worse, but the further it gets away
Speaker 3: exponentially you're less exposed. So you know, there's little things,
Speaker 3: there's big things too around reducing MS, but those are
Speaker 3: very often overlooked, especially when people have like they have
Speaker 3: a seapap and they wear an R ring on each hand,
Speaker 3: and then they have another tracker, and then they have
Speaker 3: LIKESA and Siri and you know whatever else, and then
Speaker 3: they're like they have their router underneath their bed or
Speaker 3: in their bedroom closet.
Speaker 1: That's horrible. There's too much Wi Fi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd be surprised. I mean, honestly, I would say,
Speaker 3: like if someone likes sometimes like we go over the
Speaker 3: environment people, I mean, it's got to be like probably
Speaker 3: sixty or seventy percent of people who are sleeping really poorly,
Speaker 3: like have the router obnoxiously too close to where they sleep.
Speaker 1: Wow. Amazing. Though, well, hey, it sounds to me like
Speaker 1: you're asking people who have sleep apnea to look at
Speaker 1: their not only their environment, but also their lifestyle. And
Speaker 1: this is a critical issue. Is what you're showing us
Speaker 1: here the modern society that we live with all these
Speaker 1: unseen frequencies and Wi Fi and and not getting out enough,
Speaker 1: not exercising, eating poorly. It's it's the modern society. Is
Speaker 1: this is a modern disease, if you want to call
Speaker 1: it a disease. And you're asking people to look at
Speaker 1: their lifestyles and adjust, and when we do that, how
Speaker 1: effective are we getting to eliminating or reducing sleep apnea?
Speaker 3: Dylan super super effective is the clinical term. So it
Speaker 3: all depends on are we doing the right things and
Speaker 3: already being consistent with them, Because there may be a
Speaker 3: thousand things to do. There will probably be like I
Speaker 3: don't know, twenty two things out of that that's going
Speaker 3: to really work for you versus Debbie versus Joey versus
Speaker 3: like so on and so forth here and somebody just
Speaker 3: has to go through it in layers because like when
Speaker 3: we focus on the breathing, that's going to give you
Speaker 3: a large portion of the results. And for some people
Speaker 3: that may be like all they need, Like we like,
Speaker 3: we have our program and I forget what it is,
Speaker 3: but like I said, an automated email out like seven
Speaker 3: days in, like how you doing, And a lot of
Speaker 3: times people are like, oh my god, it's like a
Speaker 3: whole new world here and that's all they need it okay.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Some people are like I'm a little bit better, like okay, cool,
Speaker 3: And there might be more layers of the onion to
Speaker 3: go through here, so to speak. So it's going to
Speaker 3: really very personal person. But that's kind of the the
Speaker 3: beauty of lifestyle, because let's say I'm I'm twisting your
Speaker 3: arm to do some twenty minutes the slow breathing exercises
Speaker 3: and maybe eat some more protein and all this stuff.
Speaker 3: Maybe I annoy you, maybe I take up a little
Speaker 3: time out of your day, but it's a little bit
Speaker 3: better than having like I don't know, part of your
Speaker 3: throat irreversibly sliced out and be like, well that didn't
Speaker 3: work after three months of recover and you're like, well,
Speaker 3: maybe we'll do something else. Like it's it's a lot
Speaker 3: more modifiable. Yes, it's going to require more input, but
Speaker 3: like that's kind of the point to like have a
Speaker 3: healthy life. It's not just like people shouldn't live like
Speaker 3: Warren Buffett, where you just like drink coke and eat
Speaker 3: McDonald's or whatever, and then when something goes wrong, you
Speaker 3: pay like one point five million dollars to your surgical
Speaker 3: team to take care of something. I mean, yeah, he's
Speaker 3: ninety four, but I think I forget. But that's just
Speaker 3: not going to work for most people. It's the little
Speaker 3: things you do when you're consistent with and like you said,
Speaker 3: just like listening to like, Okay, this breathing worked well,
Speaker 3: this tongue exercise worked well, or they didn't. You need
Speaker 3: to change how you doing or you know, address other things.
Speaker 3: Like there's been people who I think I have some
Speaker 3: like you know videos on like fini me or something
Speaker 3: like that, like they just add it. And again I'm
Speaker 3: not recommending this to an individual, but I'm just saying
Speaker 3: this person was like, yeah, it started taking it and
Speaker 3: my snoring went away. That won't happen for most people, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it will first song because that was like one
Speaker 3: of the big missing things.
Speaker 1: Amazing. The book's called Sleep Apnea Solutions. My guest today
Speaker 1: has been doctor Dylan pet Kiss. You can get the
Speaker 1: book on Amazon, but talk about your program, what people
Speaker 1: can do to sign up with, what the website is
Speaker 1: and more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just go to a bathroom mirror say pecus, pecus, pecus,
Speaker 3: and then it'll just appear on your phone. It'll be
Speaker 3: cure no no. So yeah, we have a program appnearreset
Speaker 3: dot com. And really briefly what it is it you
Speaker 3: get like a dynamic breathing protocol because like you know,
Speaker 3: we just went over like one breathing exercise like the
Speaker 3: five and ten out. But just like exercise, it's it
Speaker 3: should scale, all right, because if you want to lift
Speaker 3: three hundred pounds, you probably shouldn't start there, you know,
Speaker 3: but you need to start somewhere and build your way up.
Speaker 3: So what we have as part of our program is
Speaker 3: like a little system in which, like you start with
Speaker 3: these breathing exercises, next week you build to these et cetera,
Speaker 3: just to make sure like you're on a good progress path.
Speaker 3: And then we also want to make sure you support
Speaker 3: it with that. So we have lots of ways because
Speaker 3: we have questions, So we have like group Q and
Speaker 3: a calls or group chat or cool community four yep,
Speaker 3: and then and then other sorts of things like are
Speaker 3: you know a call more holistic? The calls uh to
Speaker 3: focus on different aspects like okay, my breeding's better, how
Speaker 3: can I improve my deep sleep? Or uh, you know,
Speaker 3: how can I optimize my nutrition? Just like these little
Speaker 3: you know there are like these twenty eight day stretches
Speaker 3: that you just complete week by week, just go through
Speaker 3: a checklist about being about a boom. That's the new
Speaker 3: Jersey and Me coming out, and that's how you do there.
Speaker 3: So that's some people can check out it appnea resets.
Speaker 1: So you have you have your own online I'll just
Speaker 1: call it a clinic that might be another name for it,
Speaker 1: where your people can sign up gets to analyze their
Speaker 1: lifestyle and then go from there. Yes, yes, that's very cool,
Speaker 1: fantastic And as we can close, what's the success rate
Speaker 1: you're having with your it sounds I mean, it sounds
Speaker 1: like a modern health issue. Unseen frequencies, poor diet, poor exercise,
Speaker 1: not enough sun and so forth and so on. It's
Speaker 1: it's like it takes a lot to break down and
Speaker 1: have apnea, and how much time does it take to recover?
Speaker 3: How involved am I? And how involved in this person? Okay,
Speaker 3: that's a good one. So the more you the more
Speaker 3: you participate fully heartfelt, the better your solution. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: so with so, I track a lot of our statistics
Speaker 3: and like our little membership site, and it's also just
Speaker 3: across the board like all these like little like health
Speaker 3: apps you see. Yeah, so this this the supposed standard
Speaker 3: average rate, which I believe if someone buys like a
Speaker 3: like a membership thing, it's like, you know, ten to
Speaker 3: twenty bucks a month whatever. About thirty percent of people
Speaker 3: will use that throughout the month. Seventy percent of people don't,
Speaker 3: all right, just forget about it, which is I feel
Speaker 3: that's very similar to like a physical gym.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Can't speak for those people. And then the people who
Speaker 3: are then active, it's like, yeah, like how active are they?
Speaker 3: But let's say a scenario, it's like they're more active,
Speaker 3: they're raising their hand, et cetera, more involved with us.
Speaker 3: That's something where it can range from. It will be typical.
Speaker 3: I would say two to five months would be a
Speaker 3: good range.
Speaker 1: That's actually very very good.
Speaker 3: There are people in the one month of rage. I
Speaker 3: don't want to count that or like be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: four weeks, this is gone, but a lot of people
Speaker 3: they're in that timeframe and whether they're like yeah, I
Speaker 3: sleep like they're they're tracking their metrics like they have
Speaker 3: like a like a tracker. That's why I'm doing this.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what that became, kind of like confrontational
Speaker 3: tick out a tracker on their hand or wrist, and
Speaker 3: they're seeing numbers that would indicate they're not having appney episodes,
Speaker 3: they're falling in that clinical definition of sleep apne or
Speaker 3: they get a sleep test and it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: like one lady, what she say? She was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: so I was my age. I was I think like
Speaker 3: thirty two in June. It's October right now in June,
Speaker 3: and I think she was in the program for like
Speaker 3: two or three months. And she's like, yeah, I got
Speaker 3: retested my age. I was one and my sleep doctor
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I don't know. Whatever you're doing, keep
Speaker 3: doing it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Well it's funny because I understand the allopathic model,
Speaker 1: and it's too bad there can't be a pet kiss
Speaker 1: institute that people can go to. It's funded by the FDA.
Speaker 1: You're not you're not pushing enough machines and intervention and
Speaker 1: surgical procedures for you to Yeah right, yea qualified for
Speaker 1: the allopathics system, which is sad. It's a sad statement
Speaker 1: about allopathy. It's just so commercial.
Speaker 3: Guy who makes a lot of videos telling people to
Speaker 3: breathe online, that's my that's my business card.
Speaker 1: Well, dude, it's fantastic. It sounds like you're doing a
Speaker 1: great job and wow, it's uh it sounds like it's effective.
Speaker 1: So thank you for joining me, Dylan. I was really
Speaker 1: informative and power more power to you, guy. I appreciate
Speaker 1: what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Although the book is helpful and I read it, it's
Speaker 1: a short read, one hundred and fifty pages. I think
Speaker 1: the website is the best way to go Apnea reset
Speaker 1: dot com, apnea A P N E A R E
Speaker 1: S E T dot com. The website has got a
Speaker 1: lot of free stuff and you get a sense of
Speaker 1: what you need to do in terms of the breathing
Speaker 1: and you know what, it's really lifestyle and this is
Speaker 1: what he's bringing up. It's our insane Western culture that's
Speaker 1: always on the go. It's always on your phone, it's
Speaker 1: always being bombarded by wavelanes, Wi Fi cellular phones, radiation.
Speaker 1: He's talking about e m F elect electromagnetic frequencies. I
Speaker 1: think one of the big ones is and just nutrition.
Speaker 1: People don't take supplements, and if you're in the typical
Speaker 1: Western diet, it's a it's a foods that are having
Speaker 1: a nutrition, corporate farming, you know, not organic meats, vegetables, fish,
Speaker 1: so far as and so on. You know the routine.
Speaker 1: So check out his website and see if you can,
Speaker 1: you know, get more data. And his books available on Amazon.
Speaker 1: I bought the Kindle version for four ninety nine, his
Speaker 1: regular books like twelve. And you know you don't need
Speaker 1: to use the CPAP machines. You know you really don't,
Speaker 1: because this is a way to tune up. And the
Speaker 1: other thing is, if you're to the point where you
Speaker 1: are having sleep abnea, and I admit this is me too,
Speaker 1: you're not paying attention. I was not paying attention to
Speaker 1: my body. I was not paying attention, and sometimes I
Speaker 1: still have I wake up, you know, you know, needing
Speaker 1: to have a breath, you know, oxygen deprive because my
Speaker 1: tongue slipped back and I shut off my airpipe. So
Speaker 1: check it out. This is a way to go. It's
Speaker 1: really something. He's the only one I really think is
Speaker 1: the way to go, because everything else is these tongue holders,
Speaker 1: the mouth appliances. He's even got people putting tape on
Speaker 1: their mouths, so you don't, you know, taking air when
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