Speaker 1: I'm fascinated and candidly I'm impressed. I never really could
Speaker 1: understand what the two week pause meant or what.
Speaker 2: It was for.
Speaker 1: What was left to negotiate, What were we going to
Speaker 1: expect the Okrainians to offer? In many ways, it was
Speaker 1: much like a Trump deal. I mean, he's trying to
Speaker 1: make a deal to buy an apartment, but all of
Speaker 1: a sudden the apartment was destroyed, So where's the negotiation.
Speaker 1: So I think the use of deception and trickery in
Speaker 1: this case, first of all, was successful. The second of
Speaker 1: all saved the potential loss of American lives.
Speaker 2: And we're back to Liberty Lockdown as Clint Russell, thank
Speaker 2: you fortuning in once again, and I am joined by
Speaker 2: a very special guest as always, Miss Josie the red
Speaker 2: Hit of libertay.
Speaker 3: Hi, thank you for having me on your show.
Speaker 2: Obviously, we did the conversation with the guys, including Sam Tripoli,
Speaker 2: and you and I weren't on at the same time,
Speaker 2: so I figured let's have a little deeper conversation about
Speaker 2: some of the topics that were covered. First off, I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about how you think the I
Speaker 2: know you're not like as hardened to paint crazy anti
Speaker 2: war as I am. You don't focus on geopolitics nearly
Speaker 2: as much as I do. You're more domestic constitutional, border issues,
Speaker 2: things like that, and culture issues.
Speaker 4: I think that we have new access lines being drawn.
Speaker 4: So in the same way we're seeing countries align with
Speaker 4: Iran or align with America or align with Israel, we're
Speaker 4: seeing influencers kind of do the same thing, and they're
Speaker 4: trying to And the thing is President Trump ran on
Speaker 4: a non interventionist policy, so all we're doing is holding
Speaker 4: him accountable to that. And they're trying to say those
Speaker 4: people are fake MAGA. And you take someone like Ohen Shroyer,
Speaker 4: for instance, who's been a major major target at this
Speaker 4: and saying he's fake mag when he's literally gone to
Speaker 4: jail for his beliefs and his support of President Trump.
Speaker 2: Well, and not just Owen, but Steve Bannon. You know,
Speaker 2: Steve Bannon's been very outspoken, and he literally went to
Speaker 2: jail for an extended period of time because he refused
Speaker 2: to turnover basically the private conversations that he had had
Speaker 2: with Trump before j six. You don't get much more
Speaker 2: loyal than Steve Bannon, And for a lot of the
Speaker 2: people to be upset with him is it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: you just want war. Like that's my read of things.
Speaker 2: There's all these allegations right that Kataris are paying people
Speaker 2: like you and I to basically want Trump to do
Speaker 2: what he said, which is to not get us in
Speaker 2: another Middle Eastern war, and yet they're accusing us of
Speaker 2: being bought and paid for to do that. Look, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's all of them. It's certainly not. But
Speaker 2: I do think that there's a distinct possibility that some
Speaker 2: right wing influencer accounts are in fact being paid, as
Speaker 2: they accuse us of sewing division, to in fact be
Speaker 2: doing that very thing that they are sewing division in
Speaker 2: hopes of basically alienating the Nona Advenus anti war camp,
Speaker 2: the libertarian camp, out of the coalition so that then
Speaker 2: the old school neo con guard can get in there
Speaker 2: at the behest of both Israel and the military dustrial complex.
Speaker 2: That's my gut instinct, in my crazy.
Speaker 4: Use your enemy of that which you are guilty accusing
Speaker 4: you and I or I don't know, Sortovich Pozobic of
Speaker 4: being talking heads for Qatar, which also kind of came
Speaker 4: out of nowhere, and it's just it's just not true,
Speaker 4: like I'm not getting paid for that. You're not getting
Speaker 4: paid for that, you know. I'd like, yeah, I work
Speaker 4: for like timcast or something, but.
Speaker 2: Well, he's also not dictating your talking points.
Speaker 4: So I'm allowed to have free speech over on IRL
Speaker 4: and when I work for Timcasts, And that's what's so
Speaker 4: great about working there. I can think of other places
Speaker 4: if I got hired there that I wouldn't have those
Speaker 4: speech rights.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I wonder what space she's talking about. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: would say Daily Wire you probably couldn't do it. The Blaze,
Speaker 2: you probably couldn't do it because despite the fact that
Speaker 2: you know, generally speaking, I like Clembeck when it comes
Speaker 2: to Israel, he is not exactly an impartial observer. I
Speaker 2: also find it fascinating. I was obviously in California to
Speaker 2: do freedom Fests. I spoke with Angel McCardel and Bret
Speaker 2: Weinstein on stage. Hopefully I'll be able to get that
Speaker 2: interview out to you guys. But I came back to
Speaker 2: a busted PC soundction issue that took me three days
Speaker 2: to remedy. So I'm back in business now. When I
Speaker 2: first got back the day that I got back was
Speaker 2: the Tucker Carlson versus Ted CRU's showdown, and I thought
Speaker 2: it was just spectacular. I thought that Tucker really hammered
Speaker 2: him on so many of the one oh one arguments
Speaker 2: for intervention in why Israel is our greatest ally and
Speaker 2: YadA YadA yah, and I was like, Oh, finally, finally
Speaker 2: someone did it. You know what's really remarkable about Tucker
Speaker 2: is that what he's saying is not that remarkable. That
Speaker 2: it is only remarkable because it's so rare, because there
Speaker 2: is any single fucking journalist in this country hardly that
Speaker 2: asked real questions that goes like, yeah, what does Israel
Speaker 2: do for us? You know, like what intel are you
Speaker 2: functioning off of? How do you know that they're going
Speaker 2: to have nukes in a couple of weeks? Journalists just
Speaker 2: never follow up. They just go like, oh, okay, you know,
Speaker 2: let's go to war.
Speaker 4: I really like the part of that interview where he
Speaker 4: got Ted Cruz to essentially say we are at war
Speaker 4: with Iran and he's like, well, you're breaking news right now, because.
Speaker 2: He's like, we're vohminam right now, well not.
Speaker 4: US, but Israel, and like almost like we're giving him
Speaker 4: permission when it's like no, I mean, like, philosophically, we
Speaker 4: support that. And then Ted Cruz was like, you're being
Speaker 4: so smug or something like that, and it's like, no,
Speaker 4: he's just asking you questions that you're not used to
Speaker 4: being asked.
Speaker 2: I did like Tucker's responsor He's like, could you be
Speaker 2: a little less smugg He's like, you're right, I should be.
Speaker 2: That's one of my yeah, one of my foibles or
Speaker 2: whatever he said. But yeah, it's it's time, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I think that That's been my greatest frustration with
Speaker 2: the you know, maga influencer class. That is, even though
Speaker 2: they would say that they're not you know, Laura lumers
Speaker 2: of the world. As I've said many times, I know her,
Speaker 2: I like her, but Jesus Christ, war is afoot. She
Speaker 2: and I couldn't be more far apart. And you know,
Speaker 2: there's this constant accusations of like us accusing Trump of
Speaker 2: wanting to go to war or him already being at war,
Speaker 2: and it's like, look, I'm not accusing him of anything.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck's happening. All I'm saying
Speaker 2: is that if you're like an adult human being that
Speaker 2: lived through one through three, which she is. She was young,
Speaker 2: but she lived through You have to remember this, like
Speaker 2: you have to remember the arc that led to the
Speaker 2: greatest catastrophe in foreign policy history in my lifetime at least,
Speaker 2: which was the War on Terror. And it's like, we
Speaker 2: are speed running that, and anybody who lived through that
Speaker 2: knows that we're speed running it. It's all of the similarities,
Speaker 2: all of the hallmarks exist the exact same way. And
Speaker 2: yet if I just go like, hey, I'm seeing some
Speaker 2: stuff here that looks like the hallmarks of us going
Speaker 2: to an unnecessary, illegal, unconstitutional, undeclared war again, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: That are your boys aren't going to die in Israel?
Speaker 4: It's like, so we're not going to go to work.
Speaker 4: They're screaming for war at one side of their mouth,
Speaker 4: and then they're saying, well, we're not going to send
Speaker 4: humans there, like we're not gonna have boots on the ground, Like,
Speaker 4: how could you even think that we would even do that.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, that's because we've done it before. We're
Speaker 4: watching the same playbook.
Speaker 2: We have over twenty years of experience doing exactly that,
Speaker 2: and you that we're panicking to say that we might
Speaker 2: be doing it again. Oh and by the way, it
Speaker 2: happens to be the seventh nation out of a list
Speaker 2: of seven that was detailed by General Wesley. At some
Speaker 2: point you just have to accept the fact that this
Speaker 2: looks like a multi decade plan at the behest of
Speaker 2: another country's foreign policy that is not at the benefit
Speaker 2: of the American people.
Speaker 4: So what happened to each of these countries after they
Speaker 4: were overthrown? So did they essentially get I mean, you
Speaker 4: know more about geopolitics than I do. I've been overthrown
Speaker 4: and then they were regime changed each of them. What's
Speaker 4: the state of these countries on the Wesley Clerk list?
Speaker 2: No, not good. It's Libya, Yemen. They've both been hit hard.
Speaker 2: Iraq Afghanistan toppled entirely. I think it was one of them,
Speaker 2: and we bombed the hell out of it.
Speaker 3: It was run by gangs for a while.
Speaker 2: And also we were bombing them during that period too.
Speaker 2: Point being and Libya, Libya is the sixth and that's
Speaker 2: a fucking open air slave market. So it's like none
Speaker 2: of them have gone well. So I think that's the
Speaker 2: biggest argument in the invention is Camp's corner, that's like irrefutable.
Speaker 2: You know, if you had this list of seven nations
Speaker 2: and they were all led I didn't love the leadership
Speaker 2: of most of those countries. Some of them weren't terrible,
Speaker 2: but most of them were not good. But if your
Speaker 2: track record was, Okay, we're going to conquer all these
Speaker 2: countries through an intervention or invasion or bombing campaigns or
Speaker 2: CIA coups, and as a consequence, yeah, democracy broke out,
Speaker 2: peace broke out, everyone stopped fighting, guns stopped shooting, and
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well then you know, I'll listen to
Speaker 2: what you have to say about it, Ron, But it's
Speaker 2: like the six other ones were disasters.
Speaker 3: What do you think? What is the reason I'm not in.
Speaker 2: The money camp. I think when I was a young libertarian,
Speaker 2: I looked at it that way much more. I definitely
Speaker 2: bought into the what I think is largely a lie,
Speaker 2: honestly at this point that it was about getting the oil.
Speaker 2: You know, we got to get the oil from Iraq.
Speaker 2: Halliburton and Blackwater and these other companies. They made a
Speaker 2: fortune in rebuilding. You know, if you want to make
Speaker 2: an argument about the money, the argument is the rebuilding
Speaker 2: money that's where a lot of money is. So you
Speaker 2: rebelize the country and then bring in American contractors to
Speaker 2: build things up. Okay, there's some money being made there,
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. But I think those are like
Speaker 2: campaign donations that are offset by those contracts. I think
Speaker 2: it's a power play. I think it's about soft power
Speaker 2: brought about through hard power, so you topple a dictator
Speaker 2: that does not do your bidding, does not go along
Speaker 2: with you. But in that region, it's more about what
Speaker 2: Israel wants, in my opinion, and then once you replace
Speaker 2: them with a leadership that's a little bit more amicable,
Speaker 2: or a country that's just so fucked up that they
Speaker 2: can't pose a threat to Israel, it's like, Okay, mission accomplished.
Speaker 2: I think that's what it's been.
Speaker 4: So it's like break your legs and sell you crutches.
Speaker 2: Yeah kind of. And I think the other thing that
Speaker 2: really drives me nuts is that to paint it as humanitarian.
Speaker 2: It's like, ugh, you don't give I mean, come on, like,
Speaker 2: does anyone after twenty plus years of bombing and sanctioned
Speaker 2: regimes and starving and all this just madness? Can anyone
Speaker 2: look at that and go like, Oh, it's clear to
Speaker 2: me that you guys care about these people. Is it
Speaker 2: not clear that they don't care about these people that
Speaker 2: they're obviously collateral damage in war of conquest.
Speaker 4: During COVID overthrowing of leadership of countries that weren't compliant
Speaker 4: with Big Pharma. I think there were three to five
Speaker 4: residents of different Third World countries taken out because they
Speaker 4: weren't compliant with.
Speaker 3: The shot they came up with it. Baxteroris like, Oh,
Speaker 3: this guy just had heart disease. This one.
Speaker 4: It was totally unrelated assassination that happened during COVID, and
Speaker 4: nobody really noticed because we were all distracted by COVID.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know that there was some overthrows in civil
Speaker 2: wars and stuff that happened in Africa. It's not as
Speaker 2: if Haiti is not known for having revolutions anyways. It
Speaker 2: could just be coincidental. It could be the fact that
Speaker 2: the economy was fucked up and there's lockdowns and therefore
Speaker 2: there's real discontent amongst the people. I don't even know
Speaker 2: if Haiti had lockdowns, to be honest, but yeah, there's
Speaker 2: just a lot of manipulation of the masses in a
Speaker 2: way that I think I didn't give full credence to
Speaker 2: when I was younger breaking news.
Speaker 4: What happened According to the Washington Post, b two bombers
Speaker 4: fly across Spacific as Trump contemplates Iran strike, and the
Speaker 4: lead headline that popped down for me said, there's been
Speaker 4: three American strikes on Iran nuclear facilities.
Speaker 2: So we're bombing Iran.
Speaker 4: No, I just want to read it real quick. What
Speaker 4: the Washington Post will do is they'll put something like that.
Speaker 4: That was the headline. That's what grabbed me. I'm sure
Speaker 4: you saw my face, but I'm reading through it now
Speaker 4: just to make sure that they weren't just trying to
Speaker 4: pull you in to read the article.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 3: Now they're saying, yeah.
Speaker 4: So it looks like when they wrote the article they
Speaker 4: were flying across That was hours ago, yep. And now
Speaker 4: that's been updated to say that they're bombing.
Speaker 3: Happy World War three? Everybody that sucks.
Speaker 2: Man. You know it's funny too, because what is it? Saturday?
Speaker 2: It's Saturday, right, Saturday? Yeah, I said, I told people
Speaker 2: that were asking me on X on Wednesday, I said
Speaker 2: I expected to happen Friday, so I was off by
Speaker 2: a day but that was like just reading the tea leaves.
Speaker 2: You know, this is why is it really Republican panic?
Speaker 3: That's the That's what it is. It's so corny.
Speaker 4: They think it's way too It's just a nickname, and
Speaker 4: they're so bad at nicknames because the neocons, like the left,
Speaker 4: cannot mean. So I'm trying to vet that right now. No,
Speaker 4: I don't trust the Washington Post.
Speaker 2: It'll be all over X if you want to. I'm
Speaker 2: so bombed. This is point that I'm sure everyone in
Speaker 2: my audience is capable of making, but I got to
Speaker 2: make it.
Speaker 4: Anyways, it's a confirmed Donald Trump announced it. Want me
Speaker 4: to read this sure from Donald Trump on truth. We
Speaker 4: have completed our very successful attack on three nuclear sites
Speaker 4: in Iran, including four dough Nantes, Nantance and.
Speaker 3: What the fuck.
Speaker 4: Yes, all planes are now outside of Iran airspace. A
Speaker 4: full payload of bombs was dropped on the primary site, Pordoh.
Speaker 4: All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to
Speaker 4: our great American warriors. There is not another military in
Speaker 4: the world that could have done this. Now is the
Speaker 4: time for peace. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Speaker 4: That was an act of war. No kidding, and there
Speaker 4: will be retribution onto America. It'll likely be our military sites.
Speaker 4: No one's saying that there are not sleeper cells in
Speaker 4: America that they could activate right now because that happened.
Speaker 2: Well, I've always believed that if there were sleeper cell,
Speaker 2: like you know, Laura Lumer claims there's two million potections,
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some. I'm just saying if they had
Speaker 2: not even two million, if they had a thousand that
Speaker 2: were like really ready to just strap on vests and
Speaker 2: go ballistic, you would see some of that during the
Speaker 2: war in Gaza, because there's so much anger at America
Speaker 2: for supporting Israel during that process. So the fact that
Speaker 2: we haven't makes me feel like it's largely overblown, that
Speaker 2: it's largely you know, right wing propaganda like that. It's
Speaker 2: funny too that they always bring it up, because it's
Speaker 2: like that's panicin' if you will. But yeah, there's I
Speaker 2: think that the real danger. And this is the point
Speaker 2: that I kept trying to make to Laura lomer Is.
Speaker 2: I was trying to be friendly about it, but still
Speaker 2: very frustrated. She kept saying, you know, what is the
Speaker 2: fucking big deal? Like, look, Laura if you bomb another
Speaker 2: country and they're not just a total bitch about it,
Speaker 2: They're gonna respond. And guess what. Iran unfortunately has stationed
Speaker 2: their country directly next to dozens of American military bases. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. What I meant to say was that America
Speaker 2: station dozens of military bases all around Iran, as we've
Speaker 2: done with China and other countries in Russia, they have
Speaker 2: within their reach. As you know, Dave Smith always says
Speaker 2: they can touch us. We don't have escalation dominance, and
Speaker 2: therefore it's almost undoubted that they're going to fucking respond.
Speaker 2: And if an American soldier gets killed, which probably will happen,
Speaker 2: then we're at war.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's an active war.
Speaker 4: And I've tried to explain this and they're like, well,
Speaker 4: it's different because Iran is a terrorist state and America
Speaker 4: is a superpower. So if they bombed our nuclear facilities
Speaker 4: then that would be an act of war because we're
Speaker 4: bigger than them. But if we bomb their's, they're terrorists,
Speaker 4: and so it's different. Right, I'm like this, there's no
Speaker 4: logic behind this.
Speaker 2: Well, if you try and hold an equal moral standard
Speaker 2: to both sides, they accuse you of moral relativism, which
Speaker 2: is so bizarre because it's like, no, I'm actually trying
Speaker 2: to apply the same morality to both sides, not to
Speaker 2: say that we're both equally bad or good or anything
Speaker 2: like that. I'm just saying, is there a standard that
Speaker 2: we can actually evaluate this who is the aggressor? Who
Speaker 2: is behaving in a moral fashion? Like is it a
Speaker 2: moral to bomb kids? Or isn't it like because I
Speaker 2: would say it is always it's very amral to bomb kids,
Speaker 2: but it does seem as if like it's it's almost
Speaker 2: certainly going to be a city. Like we've already seen
Speaker 2: Iron's response against Israel. I don't think that they can
Speaker 2: allow for this to happen without without striking American basis.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: I really do. I hope that they just go, all right,
Speaker 2: you've destroyed our nuclear facilities, uncle mercy. But like, if
Speaker 2: they do that, they're at Israel's mercy for the rest
Speaker 2: of their existence. They'll never be able to defend themselves ever.
Speaker 4: You know, I was just thinking, we don't see each
Speaker 4: other very often, but every time we do, there's enormous news.
Speaker 4: When Donald Trump got shot we just happened to be
Speaker 4: in Vegas and now we're doing this interview and world
Speaker 4: War three starts go kind of jinx is this client?
Speaker 2: Well, let me explain I think most people know this too.
Speaker 2: Let me explain kind of the alliance and why a
Speaker 2: lot of people think that, like it's fearmongering to say
Speaker 2: that this might be amount to World War three, But like,
Speaker 2: you have to understand that Russia has been at war
Speaker 2: with Ukraine via our proxy, which is Ukraine. Russia and
Speaker 2: Iran are extremely close allies. Syria was their ally, it's
Speaker 2: already gone. Russia has obviously been in this war for years,
Speaker 2: so they feel very much under threat as well. They
Speaker 2: cannot see the rather big ally in the Middle East
Speaker 2: go down without a fight. So unless they make a
Speaker 2: deal with Trump and they're like, all right, we're now
Speaker 2: members of the West. But does anybody see that happening?
Speaker 2: I don't. So basically, we're now in a position where
Speaker 2: Putin is going to feel in my opinion, I could
Speaker 2: be wrong, but it looks highly likely that he's going
Speaker 2: to feel as if we have to defend a Ron.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it feels to me like Iran as Russia is
Speaker 4: Israel Essentially, they always felt like, We're going to take
Speaker 4: care of this little country. It's the way that America
Speaker 4: treats Israel, even though I feel like there's more of
Speaker 4: Israel running the US than US taking care of Israel.
Speaker 4: But it's like we're always going to have your back,
Speaker 4: and that's how it's always felt to me with Russia
Speaker 4: and Iran. So and now we sort of came at
Speaker 4: Putin and now we have another superpower that we're dealing with.
Speaker 4: We're not dealing with the small terrorist state that's on
Speaker 4: its knees. As Ted Cruz said, well, everybody else is saying,
Speaker 4: it's the biggest threat in the world. The thing about
Speaker 4: the neocons, they really have to get on the same
Speaker 4: page and have one unified message.
Speaker 2: You'd think, but they don't actually because they can pivot
Speaker 2: from There was comparisons of Saddam Hussein to Hitler. I remember,
Speaker 2: you know Putin, also Hitler, you know Supreme Leader. Obviously
Speaker 2: Hitler is Jijinping certainly Hitler. It's like they don't have
Speaker 2: have to pick one because they just apply the same
Speaker 2: fucking script to the same to whatever country they want,
Speaker 2: whatever country is in their crosshairs at any given moment,
Speaker 2: and there will always be about a third of America
Speaker 2: that just goes like yep bomb.
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about that, it's the same way.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know they're always accuse your enemy of
Speaker 4: that which you're guilty. So well, write what do the
Speaker 4: Marxists do? They take one thing and they take the
Speaker 4: same storyline and they apply it to the one thing.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's like blm, how do we get
Speaker 4: black people to be in power?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 4: Well, we got to abolish the family of religion, nations, orders, truth,
Speaker 4: and how do we overthrow the banks and the capitalists.
Speaker 4: We got to overthrow family and religion and history and truth.
Speaker 4: It's all the same script, and that's what they do.
Speaker 4: They're like, well, we got to do this because that's Hitler.
Speaker 4: Well we got to overthrow this country because it's Hitler.
Speaker 2: And as you probably are aware, the root ideology of
Speaker 2: neo conservatism gets its rise from Bolshevism. So it's like
Speaker 2: it's not really a quindence. I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people would think like, oh, you think the woke and
Speaker 2: the neo cons are like the same. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they can't. Actually they are in a lot a lot
Speaker 2: of ways, like profound deep ways.
Speaker 4: Speaking of Bolsheviks, isn't it interesting that we are kind
Speaker 4: of force fed.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, trotzkyes, I said, Bolsheviks ahead.
Speaker 4: Oh, we're kind of force fed Hitler and killing the Jews,
Speaker 4: but we're not taught about the Bolshevik resolution at all.
Speaker 2: Oh that's weird. Why is that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, given the news that just broke, it's just one
Speaker 2: of those things that, like you either laugh about it
Speaker 2: a little bit or you cry. I don't think anyone's
Speaker 2: gone any harder than I have against this, I really,
Speaker 2: you know. I was lamenting this last night on X
Speaker 2: to Justin Imash because he was saying, there's a reason
Speaker 2: that I rarely endorse other politicians, And he's like, the
Speaker 2: reason is because I've almost never known anybody that went
Speaker 2: to DC and actually maintained their principles, their values, did
Speaker 2: what they.
Speaker 3: Promised Thomas Massey and that's about it.
Speaker 2: Right, and ran to an extent. For sure, I'm sure
Speaker 2: he would give those guys a pass, or he would
Speaker 2: probably endorse them if they needed it, which they don't.
Speaker 2: But I think for me, what I've struggled with most
Speaker 2: about this presidency is that this was the first time
Speaker 2: I really felt as if I didn't know, but I
Speaker 2: had a vibe. I had a feel for Tulsi you,
Speaker 2: I mean, you've interviewed her too. I had a vibe
Speaker 2: certainly for Cash Mattel. I spent a couple hours with
Speaker 2: the guy and talk to him at length. RFK Junior,
Speaker 2: I've met Trump. I didn't meet, but you know, we
Speaker 2: were at the same event. And then the vague obviously
Speaker 2: elon who you know to a certain extent. And it's like,
Speaker 2: I've never felt as if I had any any sense
Speaker 2: of the moral character, the internal drives of these of
Speaker 2: any other White House ever. I just felt as if
Speaker 2: like this was our best chance of having an administration
Speaker 2: that we could influence to do a little bit of good,
Speaker 2: just a little bit. And it's like, if we end
Speaker 2: up in a fucking I mean, if we end up
Speaker 2: in a full on war with Iron, which looks likely,
Speaker 2: if we end up in World War three, well then
Speaker 2: I made a huge fucking mistake. I made a huge
Speaker 2: fucking no.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: In fairness absolutely got to happen with a Kamala Harris obviously,
Speaker 2: but I really thought that Trump would try and avoid this, and.
Speaker 4: He is not because we know Kamala Harris is more
Speaker 4: of a communist than a neocon.
Speaker 2: So but as we just described, there's some same roots.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, so I think we would have probably gone in,
Speaker 4: but it would have been a different angle.
Speaker 2: I think it would have just been Ukraine. I think
Speaker 2: it would have been Ukraine. I think we would escalated
Speaker 2: heavy in Ukraine. This just happened. It is a bombing campaign.
Speaker 2: It does not mean necessarily that Iron will respond. They
Speaker 2: may just eat it. They might, but if they respond,
Speaker 2: and if they kill any quantity of American troops, I
Speaker 2: think you know as well as I do that we're
Speaker 2: in a football and war.
Speaker 4: This is I mean, I'm a libertarian, so most of
Speaker 4: my followers are pretty like small l like I am.
Speaker 4: I have a lot of Massy and Ram Paul and
Speaker 4: Ron Paul disciples. But I shared this post about Trump
Speaker 4: and I wrote, pray for our troops. There will be retribution,
Speaker 4: and the comments are like, no ground troops planes are
Speaker 4: almost home. I smell success. It's like, yeah, now you
Speaker 4: smell success, But what you're gonna smell when they you
Speaker 4: think they're just gonna get on their knees.
Speaker 2: I don't think people understand the nature of the dynamic
Speaker 2: here now that, as I've said many times, that does
Speaker 2: not mean that Iran will not just eat this. They
Speaker 2: may say, look, if we fucking strike American troops in
Speaker 2: the region, which we have, they have full capacity to do.
Speaker 2: So that's a fact that they absolutely could if they
Speaker 2: wanted to. There is a chance, given that America is
Speaker 2: still very powerful militaristically, that they just go, We're not
Speaker 2: going to do it once you've already committed to bombing Israel,
Speaker 2: which if it's accurate that Israel has two hundred nuclear
Speaker 2: warheads and obvious capacity to reach around with them where
Speaker 2: it's like this is kind of a point of no return.
Speaker 2: And if they feel that way, if they feel as
Speaker 2: if they cannot just stop, if they feel as if
Speaker 2: if they stop, Israel is going to come in and
Speaker 2: take them out anyways, then they're not going to stop,
Speaker 2: and they are going to escalate, and they're going to
Speaker 2: try and get Russia and China involved on their side,
Speaker 2: and if that happens, then we are fully in World
Speaker 2: War three. And I don't think anybody understands really how
Speaker 2: fucking insanely dangerous all this is.
Speaker 3: Let's get canceled and talk about greater Israel.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, I mean there have been plans that
Speaker 2: have been talked about openly, including a map that Netanyahu
Speaker 2: showed before October seventh that included, you know, West Bank, Gaza,
Speaker 2: portions of I think it was Turkey, portions of Iran,
Speaker 2: portions of Syria that all become part of greater Israel.
Speaker 3: Excellent. So what's the overlap with the Wesley Clark prediction
Speaker 3: and great it.
Speaker 2: Happens to be like two thirds of them?
Speaker 3: Interesting? This is very fascinating.
Speaker 2: We're learning together. I mean, this is this is why
Speaker 2: I came to the conclusions I have. It's not like
Speaker 2: I'm just fucking making it up. I just know what
Speaker 2: this list said, and you guys are taking them. You're
Speaker 2: doing it. So what's your what's your your bet? Does
Speaker 2: Iran respond heavily?
Speaker 4: I think Aronald Bama base, I don't think they'll activate
Speaker 4: a sleeper cell. I think they probably have. They're two disorganized.
Speaker 4: I'm sure there are sleeper cells. We have like twenty
Speaker 4: million illegal people in our country and they're unvetted, and
Speaker 4: I'm sure that they're sleeper cells. I feel like we've
Speaker 4: had one or two activate on a very very small scale,
Speaker 4: or try to in the last four years.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if you want to go down the really
Speaker 2: dark path, Alex Jones and others, you know, people that
Speaker 2: I generally respect, have been beaten this strum for a
Speaker 2: long time that there are you know, there's sleeper cells.
Speaker 2: They don't really talk about Iran all that often. It
Speaker 2: was sometimes it was like Muslim terrace, but oftentimes it
Speaker 2: was like CCP. And my great fear is that if
Speaker 2: that's true, which I just as I already said earlier,
Speaker 2: I am not convinced that it's true that there's thousands
Speaker 2: of thousands of sleeper cells, if you end up in
Speaker 2: World War three, it's not going to be like Iraq
Speaker 2: war Persian golf type shit. It's going to be fucking
Speaker 2: chaos here. And we've never dealt with that, like, not
Speaker 2: since Pearl Harbor. And even then we didn't really feel
Speaker 2: with like deal with war on our soil. It was
Speaker 2: just like one attack and then it was war over
Speaker 2: there the entire time. So that's my great fear, man
Speaker 2: given given our cultural divide, like the racial divide, all
Speaker 2: these other things that have been you know, worsened because
Speaker 2: of cultural Marxism, like, we're not going to handle that, Like,
Speaker 2: if we have war on our soil, we're going to
Speaker 2: fall apart.
Speaker 4: They're going to attack the power grid. I don't think
Speaker 4: they need thousands. I think they need just a few
Speaker 4: guys willing, like you said, to just strap a vest
Speaker 4: on and go for it.
Speaker 3: Pearl Harbor. I believe was unsolicited.
Speaker 4: I believe that just kind of I mean, America hadn't
Speaker 4: declared war at that point. It kind of the attack
Speaker 4: kind of just happened, kind of an unsolicited attack. No,
Speaker 4: did America drop a bomb before, Okay.
Speaker 2: But what we did do is that we you know,
Speaker 2: Japan's and island, and we put a full oil embargo
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 2: We basically gave them no option. If you're in a
Speaker 2: war and another country says you're not allowed to have
Speaker 2: any oil, how would you respond to that? You go like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're at war then, like obviously we're at war. So, yes,
Speaker 2: it was a sneak attack. Do you think that Japan,
Speaker 2: this tiny little island, was like, yeah, we really want
Speaker 2: to fight America, Like no.
Speaker 3: That's why they fought a tiny little island.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, that story is a little bit complex,
Speaker 2: but anyways, you were going to make a point to
Speaker 2: try and connect that to this situation. So what was
Speaker 2: the point?
Speaker 4: I was going in a direction, but then I had
Speaker 4: a question, and then my brain that's.
Speaker 2: Fair that happens. I'm kind of scatterbrained as a consequence
Speaker 2: of this breaking news because I haven't had time to
Speaker 2: internalize what it could mean. So, I mean, you guys
Speaker 2: are getting to watch my real time reaction to what
Speaker 2: comes next, and it's not good.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm really glad my live reaction when Trump got
Speaker 4: shot was not recorded.
Speaker 3: I started crying.
Speaker 2: She did, I was there, we were I had just
Speaker 2: this was actually to tie back into the other story
Speaker 2: that was right after I had done the panel with
Speaker 2: Cash butt Well, and then Trump's face was grazed by a.
Speaker 4: Bullet and I'm just like, I just started crying and
Speaker 4: Clint's like, are you okay? What's the matter, And I'm like,
Speaker 4: I have no idea. I don't know why I'm doing this.
Speaker 4: It was just the strangest reaction to me. It was
Speaker 4: just such massive news. But I'm handling World War three
Speaker 4: pretty well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are, actually hand You're handling World War three
Speaker 2: much better than you handled Trump almost getting.
Speaker 4: Shot, but I hadn't endorsed Trump or anything at that point.
Speaker 4: I was still on the fence. I endorsed him that night.
Speaker 2: No, you posted it that night, I remember, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that was concerning. And those are the type
Speaker 2: of moments, like just history changing moments, you know, like
Speaker 2: if you see a president assassinated, the course of your
Speaker 2: country changes. Like even from a libertarian perspective, you don't
Speaker 2: have to like it. You don't have to respect the
Speaker 2: presidency or the White House or the government or any
Speaker 2: of that. It just changes history. It does because a
Speaker 2: lot of people do believe in the government, they do
Speaker 2: believe in the authority of the president everything else. And like,
Speaker 2: if that happens, it just totally takes whatever course you're on,
Speaker 2: and it puts it on a new one. Whether it's
Speaker 2: good or bad, it's new. This is a course changer that,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, derails Trump's lay legacy. Unless he get
Speaker 2: unless he just buy a miracle, Uran just goes, We're done.
Speaker 2: If that doesn't happen, this ruins Trump's legacy. It ruins
Speaker 2: I'm telling you what, I honestly think. I think that
Speaker 2: this destroys America. First, Maga, It's over. It will be
Speaker 2: a complete civil war. I don't mean that in actual
Speaker 2: fighting per se, but it'll be a civil war divide
Speaker 2: between the Maga America first. You'll have the Trump sick
Speaker 2: offense you can do no wrong, and you'll have the
Speaker 2: actual America first, people that meant it when they said it,
Speaker 2: no more wars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the next forty eight hours are going to be
Speaker 4: really telling, really crucial, and I warn everybody there's going
Speaker 4: to be fog of war, which is just used.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be we're in it right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know anything that's happening right now.
Speaker 2: For sure. The propaganda's going to get heavier.
Speaker 4: It's going to get very heavy, and you just have
Speaker 4: to use discernment everything that you hear. There's going to
Speaker 4: be a lot out of Israel. The Israel channels are
Speaker 4: the biggest pushers of the propaganda. Also mainstream media they
Speaker 4: don't really love this war. The mainstream media. They're a
Speaker 4: different kind of neocon that they don't really love the
Speaker 4: defense of Israel.
Speaker 3: They're not the Republican neo konos.
Speaker 2: Fox News has been being the.
Speaker 3: One Fox News. I'm talking MSNBC.
Speaker 2: Well because they always have to paint it as Trump
Speaker 2: being the bad guy no matter what. But I'll tell
Speaker 2: you I would be surprised, particularly if American troops get
Speaker 2: hit in response, which is probable. I bet you CNN, MSNBC,
Speaker 2: MSNBC they all get behind Trump. I know that sounds
Speaker 2: crazy and people won't even believe me when I say it,
Speaker 2: but I'd be surprised. Not all of them, but a
Speaker 2: big chunk of them are going to start to say, like, God,
Speaker 2: you know, defend our country.
Speaker 3: Once we're at war. We need the unified front.
Speaker 4: And the thing is that people that own the news stations,
Speaker 4: whoever owns the information, they know that we need a
Speaker 4: unified front behind a war.
Speaker 2: That we are You're barely old enough to remember, but
Speaker 2: I know you remember a little bit. Was the feeling
Speaker 2: after nine to eleven, Yes, And it's like there has
Speaker 2: never been a high or high in terms of in
Speaker 2: my lifetime, in terms of patriotism, bloodless, like let's get vengeance,
Speaker 2: you know, and none of that exists right now. So
Speaker 2: we are entering into the biggest war. Ran is a
Speaker 2: bigger foe than any other war that we've ever been
Speaker 2: in hot because Russia is a proxy war still no,
Speaker 2: hopefully that says that way. Yes, this is the biggest
Speaker 2: foe we've ever taken on, and we are entering it
Speaker 2: with the least public support for a war in my lifetime.
Speaker 2: That's fucking crazy. They just stopped caring what we have
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 4: And there was a vigil and I'm talking Massachusetts. This
Speaker 4: is where and I mean this area that I grew
Speaker 4: up in. They are hippies. They are the lesbian, liberal
Speaker 4: hippie farmers, Okay, And they were having this vigil in
Speaker 4: the street and everybody was singing God bless America and
Speaker 4: just America, the beautiful and I'm talking these are the
Speaker 4: people who who cry and gag when you say Donald
Speaker 4: Trump and I think America is racist and all that.
Speaker 4: It was after nine to eleven, the day after nine
Speaker 4: to eleven. This is the feeling that there was in
Speaker 4: the most liberal area of the most liberal state.
Speaker 2: And that was a nationwide sensation. I mean it was
Speaker 2: obviously New York was not some big George Bush country,
Speaker 2: and they were. They couldn't have been more behind it.
Speaker 2: Everybody was behind it. And you know, I wasn't behind
Speaker 2: the broader war on terror, but I certainly in the
Speaker 2: immediate aftermath was like, whoever did that has to pay,
Speaker 2: you know, because even from a libertarian perspective, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not interventionist, but that doesn't mean I don't believe
Speaker 2: in self defense not aggression, right, and we had been
Speaker 2: aggressed upon. Now the story complicates once you start to
Speaker 2: like really dig into who was involved with all that,
Speaker 2: Like all right, maybe I don't know did we've res
Speaker 2: upon ourselves? But you know what I'm saying, It was
Speaker 2: like anyways, point being to contrast that period to this period,
Speaker 2: it couldn't be more different. You had I don't know
Speaker 2: what the numbers were, but I would imagine it was
Speaker 2: eighty to ninety percent people that were in support of
Speaker 2: like just go blow up something, you know, they were
Speaker 2: like get them yep. And that's not how we feel
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: And I mean a lot of it.
Speaker 4: We were in high school, so we were at an
Speaker 4: age where they say the millennials of zennials or whatever,
Speaker 4: like we're watching World War threefold and we also watched
Speaker 4: the towers fall from math class in the Great Recession
Speaker 4: while we're trying to buy a house. Yeah, we're trying
Speaker 4: to raise kids during COVID. I mean the we Millennials
Speaker 4: get a lot of shit, but we've been.
Speaker 3: Through a lot of shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been hard, man, it's been hard. And honestly though,
Speaker 2: like you know, zoomers also get a lot of shit,
Speaker 2: and I've got a lot of sympathy for them because,
Speaker 2: like everything we've gone through to a certain extent, they've
Speaker 2: gone through. They were like younger, so they didn't they've
Speaker 2: not felt it as poignantly. But then they also had
Speaker 2: like the social media, online dating, and then also like
Speaker 2: the hard woke education and the progress sexual progressivism. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is where I start to lean into, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is fucking psychological warfare. And it makes you wonder
Speaker 2: if we've been in World War three for a long time.
Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised because the warfare that
Speaker 4: we're getting is on the internet, you know, so it's
Speaker 4: like an information warfare. So we have been at World
Speaker 4: War three because we've had China or whatever changing the
Speaker 4: algo on TikTok so that the kids, their kids in
Speaker 4: China if they can't use TikTok, but when they could,
Speaker 4: they would have like math lessons, yeah, and things to
Speaker 4: make them smarter.
Speaker 2: School lessons and things like that. I think that it
Speaker 2: could be just a product of cultural differences that young
Speaker 2: people in China are just raised to be like good,
Speaker 2: productive people, kind of how older generations in America were,
Speaker 2: And perhaps the algorithm is just a product of we
Speaker 2: show you what you want to see, and they wanted
Speaker 2: to see that, or their parents don't allow them to
Speaker 2: see the other stuff, and they just respect their parents
Speaker 2: so they don't do it. I could be wrong, though,
Speaker 2: I mean, it could certainly be psychological warfare, and it's
Speaker 2: undoubtedly true that American social media companies do that to foreign
Speaker 2: countries at the best of the CIA and things like
Speaker 2: that too.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's probably a mix of we're going to
Speaker 4: keep raising our children this way and this is all
Speaker 4: our children can say because we are a communist eight.
Speaker 2: Right, But you know, I think the unfortunate reality is
Speaker 2: too like if a if a country is filled with
Speaker 2: children that want brain rot content, are you doing anything wrong?
Speaker 2: Because like from a purely American lase a fair capitalist model,
Speaker 2: you should just like the ilgo ought to be giving
Speaker 2: you what you want to see that keeps you on
Speaker 2: the app longer. So if you're the type of person
Speaker 2: that wants terrible things to be filling your brain. Well,
Speaker 2: then you get what you asked for, you know.
Speaker 4: And that goes back to American culture, like parents raising
Speaker 4: kids to want to see the terrible things their parents
Speaker 4: barely raising kids. Kids really are raising themselves.
Speaker 2: That's the problem in my opinion, that's the big problem.
Speaker 2: And you're a very attentive parent, so you can speak
Speaker 2: to this better than I can. But I know, you know,
Speaker 2: I was a latch key kid, you know, to a
Speaker 2: large extent, and you know, some people would say that
Speaker 2: means that you're raising yourself, but like, I wasn't raising myself.
Speaker 2: With the Internet, I was like almost a professional roleerplayer.
Speaker 2: But I was really good at it. I actually dropped
Speaker 2: into the bowl at the Carlsbad skate Park with Tony
Speaker 2: Hawk when I was nine years old. Wow, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was very good. Anyways, setting that aside, I'm gay. This
Speaker 2: is fully out of the closet now. But what I
Speaker 2: mean is I was raising myself, but I was doing
Speaker 2: like you were developing your self endeavors and athletic endeavors,
Speaker 2: and I had real friends, and like, it just doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like the kids raising themselves today are doing that.
Speaker 2: Like they're raising themselves on a laptop or an iPad,
Speaker 2: and it's like that isn't good.
Speaker 4: Yep, because they're getting so we might get our influence
Speaker 4: when we were kids. We might have got it from
Speaker 4: our friends or maybe an uncle or an aunt that
Speaker 4: we would go see when our mom wasn't home because
Speaker 4: we were latch key kids, and she'd be home for dinner.
Speaker 4: You know, if we go out and play, we come
Speaker 4: home when the street lights came on. It was just
Speaker 4: the way that our world worked, or my world worked anyway.
Speaker 4: I don't want to make any assumptions about you, but
Speaker 4: you know, I'd still have my mom, She'd still be
Speaker 4: in the house. I wasn't raising myself in that sense.
Speaker 4: I was able to develop myself and make bad choices
Speaker 4: that I learned from and make good choices that I
Speaker 4: learned from. Right now, we have a lot of work
Speaker 4: from home. I'm very less to be able to do that.
Speaker 4: And I have great kids, great kids, you know, And
Speaker 4: I know a lot of parents say that, but I
Speaker 4: actually do. They're not raising themselves on the internet. They
Speaker 4: play outside, they go for bike rides, they play sports,
Speaker 4: and they do clubs and all the things that kids
Speaker 4: should be doing.
Speaker 2: Basically being raised in the same style that we were exactly.
Speaker 4: Yes, my oldest daughter has a Discord and she only
Speaker 4: talks to her friends from school on it. I'm guilty
Speaker 4: of the weird chatrooms. I was in the Will Smith
Speaker 4: chatroom growing up. That was my favorite chat room. It
Speaker 4: was just on his website, Willsmith dot com and he
Speaker 4: had a chat room. So I would go hang out
Speaker 4: in the Will Smith chatroom and I thought it was
Speaker 4: so cool. So AOL is where we would talk to
Speaker 4: our friends, you know, on that we knew in real life.
Speaker 3: And that's what the kids do with Discord.
Speaker 4: Then my middle daughter she likes to game and she
Speaker 4: games with her cousin and her friend up in Massachusetts
Speaker 4: because we live in Florida.
Speaker 3: So they use the Internet to talk to people that they.
Speaker 4: Actually know they know in real life, and that's it.
Speaker 4: That's the extent of their Internet use. You know, they
Speaker 4: don't have well MJ. My older daughter does have a
Speaker 4: figure account if you know anything about she has my
Speaker 4: figure she runs my Figure O fan account. But that's
Speaker 4: the extent of their Internet use.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think it's just a much healthier way
Speaker 2: to do things. And you know, this is kind of
Speaker 2: what I said during that conversation with Tripoli and then
Speaker 2: was like, I hate feeling like a Luddite. I hate it,
Speaker 2: but I can't help but acknowledge that, like, and granted
Speaker 2: it could be correlation causation, and maybe this is wrong
Speaker 2: to connect these, but like our culture has degraded so
Speaker 2: rapidly under this all encompassing internet framework. It's like, it's
Speaker 2: just so obvious to me. And that doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: I don't love the Internet. It's changed my life and
Speaker 2: improved my life in many many ways. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, like on net, can we really argue that
Speaker 2: it's been like the best thing ever? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: There is a dopamine addiction that we're dealing with. It
Speaker 4: is a massive addiction. I use the Internet for work primarily,
Speaker 4: You too, same thing. We primarily use it for work.
Speaker 4: And I think that that's a reason why my kids
Speaker 4: aren't big Internet kids, because they see me use it
Speaker 4: for work and they're like, well, mom does it and
Speaker 4: it's boring exactly, It's gay and retarded, you know. So
Speaker 4: then that's just the way that it is. And I'm
Speaker 4: totally okay with them thinking that when it comes to Instagram,
Speaker 4: for instance, and even women my age, they deal with
Speaker 4: seeing people live the perfect lives, have the perfect homes,
Speaker 4: see the perfect kids, and people put their best moments
Speaker 4: up on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Well because keeping up with the Joneses has always been
Speaker 2: a phenomenon. But the Joneses was just the wealthy family
Speaker 2: in your town. It wasn't the wealthiest person in the
Speaker 2: world Dubai, you know. And it's like, at this point,
Speaker 2: even if you're like really successful by like any other standards,
Speaker 2: if you're in the top one percent, your life sucks
Speaker 2: compared to a lot of people on earth. Just the truth.
Speaker 2: You ain't in the just because you're in the top
Speaker 2: one percent. You're making three four hundred and five hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year. You ain't flying on a private jet.
Speaker 2: You may not even be fine for first class, depending
Speaker 2: on how many kids you got at home. I think
Speaker 2: it just exasperated the issues with keeping up with.
Speaker 3: The jones That's actually a really good point.
Speaker 4: A lot of people get depressed and then they get mad,
Speaker 4: and so Instagram will respond with things like we're going
Speaker 4: to remove the likes so that nobody could see how
Speaker 4: many likes they have. And this is going to fix us, Like, no,
Speaker 4: that's going to make them crave it somewhere else because
Speaker 4: they felt the likes exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know Elon was talking about that for a
Speaker 2: while and both you and I were like, Nope, don't
Speaker 2: want that. No.
Speaker 4: See, with likes on X and with political stuff, it
Speaker 4: comes down to consensus. This is where ratioing comes from.
Speaker 4: It's like, all right, if there's one hundred comments and
Speaker 4: one like you had a bad idea, and people need
Speaker 4: to know that that was a bad idea, and that's
Speaker 4: how they read it, and they can to about a
Speaker 4: ninety percent accuracy, I would estimate.
Speaker 3: Sometimes, you know, you.
Speaker 4: Get dogpiled by the left and they're just trying to
Speaker 4: ratio you. Like so it's a plan to ratio. It's
Speaker 4: not just this natural conclusion that this was a dumb
Speaker 4: thing to say. It's that we need to make this
Speaker 4: look like it was a dumb thing so size.
Speaker 2: It does allow for kind of community, the policing of
Speaker 2: wrong think, if you will, in a way that's like
Speaker 2: it's passive though it's not aggressive, it's not state violence.
Speaker 2: It's just like everyone thinks that you sound like a creep, right,
Speaker 2: you know, that type of shit, so there is value
Speaker 2: in it. But I do want to just circle back
Speaker 2: to the topic to Jor because we're gonna end here soon.
Speaker 2: What do you think? Where are we going?
Speaker 3: It looks like World War three? And I think that
Speaker 3: once they.
Speaker 4: Pulled World War three, yeah, worlder three, they pulled the
Speaker 4: Tulsi into it, and that was the last person we
Speaker 4: thought would break and once they got.
Speaker 2: We need to explain that. Do you want to explain
Speaker 2: it or should I.
Speaker 3: You can explain it.
Speaker 2: So six weeks ago, maybe two months.
Speaker 4: Ago it was March when she had the first interview,
Speaker 4: was late March.
Speaker 2: I thought, okay, so three months ago, yep. She gives
Speaker 2: her testimony in front of I think it was a congress, yep.
Speaker 2: And she gives her annual assessment, and she's very explicit that, well, yes,
Speaker 2: Ron has continued to produce uranium at sixty percent purity
Speaker 2: or whatever it's called, and therefore like that's not good.
Speaker 2: But they have not made the decision to restart their
Speaker 2: nuclear program, which was suspended in two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: So this is not like a country that's obviously angling
Speaker 2: for a nuclear weapon. In fact, they have demonstrated pretty
Speaker 2: clearly that they were not trying to build one because
Speaker 2: they could have. And she posts the testimony in which
Speaker 2: she says what I just said, and she goes, in fact,
Speaker 2: they could be. You know, they could have a nuclear
Speaker 2: weapon in two weeks if they wanted to. And it's
Speaker 2: like that is such a huge like shift. The sentiment was,
Speaker 2: as of three months ago, they're not going for noakes.
Speaker 2: The sentiment of her revising that statement today was yes
Speaker 2: they are. And the fact that that proceeded within less
Speaker 2: than twenty four hours to us bonding them, I don't
Speaker 2: think is a coincidence.
Speaker 4: I knew she was the last in line. Soon as
Speaker 4: she got behind it, it was over. As soon as
Speaker 4: she did, I'm like, yeah, it's over.
Speaker 3: We're going to war.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: And the response to Tulsi in general, by the I
Speaker 4: guess the maga with the neocons is that Tulsi lied
Speaker 4: to Congress and so lose her job. I'm like, no,
Speaker 4: she literally didn't lie to Congress.
Speaker 2: She actually told the truth.
Speaker 3: I told the truth.
Speaker 2: It's so disappointing men, and therefore gave guests you could say,
Speaker 2: cassas belly like cause for war against them, even though
Speaker 2: nations have a right to build nuclear weapons. They have
Speaker 2: a right to defend themselves. I don't like the leadership
Speaker 2: of Iran. I don't want anyone to have nukes, including
Speaker 2: my own country, But it doesn't change the fact that
Speaker 2: if we have massive nuclear arsenals, and if people are
Speaker 2: autonomous sovereign nations they ought to be, they ought to
Speaker 2: have the right to defend themselves too. Now these weapons
Speaker 2: are so dangerous that all grant that it's existential, like
Speaker 2: if you get nuclear weapon in the hands of a
Speaker 2: mad man, it's an existential threat. The truth is is
Speaker 2: that in many instances, I think America is led by
Speaker 2: mad men, and we have thousands of nuclear weapons, and
Speaker 2: Russia's got them, China's got them, and France has got them,
Speaker 2: and Pakistan's got them, and the UK's got them North Korea.
Speaker 3: So and Israel.
Speaker 2: Do the people have a right to defend themselves from Israel,
Speaker 2: who is obviously aggressing upon them in a very fucking
Speaker 2: savage way. Do they not have a right to try
Speaker 2: and defend themselves with a nuclear arsenal given that their
Speaker 2: aggressor has hundreds of nuclear weapons themselves.
Speaker 4: The goal is to wipe them out, And there is
Speaker 4: something I would like to address and I'll use your
Speaker 4: show to do it.
Speaker 3: If you don't mind, feel free.
Speaker 4: Comparing every war that you want to get into is
Speaker 4: not the Revolutionary war. The Revolutionary War was a civil
Speaker 4: war separated by an ocean, and you had the king
Speaker 4: of these countries literally arming people to kill women and children.
Speaker 4: He was arming natives, he was arming Canadians, he was
Speaker 4: arming the Hessians. He was bringing colonists out to the
Speaker 4: ocean and saying, we're either going to walk the plank.
Speaker 4: We're going to throw you overboard, or you're going to
Speaker 4: go back and kill your whole family and all of
Speaker 4: your friends. And those are your choices. So and if
Speaker 4: you don't believe me, you can read the last seven
Speaker 4: grievances and the Declaration of Independence and that'll cover all
Speaker 4: of them. So it wasn't just about taxes. We weren't
Speaker 4: mad about the taxes. Comparing an offense strategy to a
Speaker 4: defensive strategy where you're really just trying to stop a
Speaker 4: tyrant king from killing everybody, it's not the same thing.
Speaker 4: And this is what I get the most of this
Speaker 4: is the you know, because I'm anti war, and they'd
Speaker 4: be like, wo, how can you be anti war if
Speaker 4: you are all about the revolutionary one, I'm like defensive exactly.
Speaker 4: I'm a non interventionist, and there was no intervention.
Speaker 2: I don't know any libertarian that doesn't support the vast
Speaker 2: majority of libertarians recognize that the Revolutionary War, the American Revolution,
Speaker 2: is one of the only wars that's been just like
Speaker 2: because we don't support them very many wars, but like
Speaker 2: that is crystal clear a just war.
Speaker 4: Also, other grievances they had King George there were two
Speaker 4: tiers of justice where he would actually take Americans and
Speaker 4: have them tried in England. So you got in trouble,
Speaker 4: you were gonna have to sail on a ship and
Speaker 4: go all the way to England to have your trial.
Speaker 4: So you wouldn't have a jury of your peers. He
Speaker 4: would have mock trials for regular probably.
Speaker 2: Helped formulate the Constitution, didn't it make sure that you're
Speaker 2: tal appeers because they're like, you're not going to ship
Speaker 2: you at England.
Speaker 4: Also, quartering troops that's another one. Quartering troops that's another one.
Speaker 4: You know. So a lot of the Bill of Rights
Speaker 4: is framed around these abuses that King George did to
Speaker 4: the American colonists and to be like, well, it's literally
Speaker 4: just like the revolution to go bomb Iran nuclear facilities
Speaker 4: is the dumbest, the most, the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: Well, completely agree, I would say I don't actually hear
Speaker 2: much of that. What I hear a lot of is
Speaker 2: it's every every war is always World War two. Every
Speaker 2: war's World War two, and every leader that were is
Speaker 2: our enemy is always Hitler or Stalin or whatever, and
Speaker 2: it's just not you know, like, it doesn't mean that,
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that they're not bad. Also, some of
Speaker 2: them are actually genuinely bad, and in fact, everything that
Speaker 2: you think you know about World War Two is probably
Speaker 2: not accurate. It's a good thought experiment just to think
Speaker 2: about what the mainstream narrative, what the history books will
Speaker 2: actually say about the past five years, and think about
Speaker 2: how unbelievably different that will read compared to what you
Speaker 2: think transpired. Now, extrapolate that back to before the Internet
Speaker 2: and seventy five plus years ago in World War Two.
Speaker 2: Do you think that it would actually reflect the reality
Speaker 2: given that they had no independent reporting or social media
Speaker 2: by which you can get other counter narratives out there,
Speaker 2: or would it probably be more fucking delusional and detached
Speaker 2: from reality. I think the answer is the letter.
Speaker 4: It's going to be ridiculous looking back in history from
Speaker 4: twenty thirteen to about twenty twenty that is completely made up.
Speaker 4: All of the real news was completely censored in that time,
Speaker 4: so there's really no evidence of Like I use when
Speaker 4: I do all my research, I use artifacts or documents.
Speaker 4: I use stuff right from that time period because I
Speaker 4: can check them against each other, and that helps me
Speaker 4: kind of gauge what's truth and what's not by what witnesses.
Speaker 4: Witness I can read through trial documents and everything because
Speaker 4: they've preserved it all so well. We don't have that
Speaker 4: for that period of time. So that's going to be
Speaker 4: a really interesting period of time. The Obama presidency it's
Speaker 4: going to be very interesting, and then the beginning of
Speaker 4: the Trump presidency going to be very interesting too.
Speaker 2: It's all disas from reality in my opinion.
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