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Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to Dan today. He reached
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Speaker 2: Brother, All right, thank you.
Speaker 3: So this was a twenty twenty one Elk hunting season.
Speaker 3: I didn't draw my usual tag in in central Idaho
Speaker 3: where I grew up. Usually we hunt in the frank
Speaker 3: Kirch Wilderness, but didn't draw early enough.
Speaker 2: I'm out of state now, I live.
Speaker 3: In Washington, so closest best choice was up in the
Speaker 3: Panhandle of Idaho, so we got our tags there. My
Speaker 3: dad headed out about half a week early before opening day.
Speaker 3: I still had to finish up work for the week,
Speaker 3: and he wanted to scout. Turns out he had actually
Speaker 3: fought on a wild He was a wildland firefighter for
Speaker 3: most of his life and he had been up there, so.
Speaker 2: He knew it. I hadn't, even though I grew up
Speaker 2: in Idaho.
Speaker 3: North Idaho was like a different state to us, So
Speaker 3: I got up there a couple of days before opening season.
Speaker 3: He met me at the base of the mountain and
Speaker 3: we just started winding our way up. It was about
Speaker 3: a two hour drive just to get to the top
Speaker 3: of this ridge line, and then from there just trying
Speaker 3: to find a spot to a flat spot. That's something
Speaker 3: you'll probably hear me say over and over. This was
Speaker 3: probably the most brutal terrain I've hunted in, and I've
Speaker 3: been hunting my entire life, straight up and straight down.
Speaker 3: It was just horrible, heavily wooded. So we just started
Speaker 3: driving along ridge lines trying to find a flat spot
Speaker 3: where we could fit both of our pickups and establish
Speaker 3: a base camp. And we eventually did pretty much hit
Speaker 3: the end of the road on this one ridge line,
Speaker 3: found a spot set up base camp. Since we were
Speaker 3: still about a day out at that point from opening day,
Speaker 3: this we're chilling scouting around a little bit. It was
Speaker 3: pretty much the only time we saw people up on
Speaker 3: that mountain. A lot of locals driving around with their
Speaker 3: kids on side by sides, four wheelers, whatnot, and what
Speaker 3: was funny. Later on, my dad and I actually commented
Speaker 3: to each other. We ran into some locals and they asked, Hey,
Speaker 3: those are your pickups up at such and such spot?
Speaker 3: And we said yeah, and they said, are you guys
Speaker 3: gonna hunt up here? And this is what's weird. I
Speaker 3: talked to least three hunters separate from my dad, and
Speaker 3: he talked to three or four others. All of them
Speaker 3: chuckled and said, you got the place to yourself.
Speaker 2: No one hunts up on that mountain anyways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, have fun, And we thought, hey, great, we don't
Speaker 3: do the road hunting thing not that's a problem if
Speaker 3: people are driving around and just looking that way. It's
Speaker 3: just we I didn't grow up that way. The frank
Speaker 3: Church Wilderness. It's one road in, one road out, and
Speaker 3: it's actually illegal to even drive a bicycle off of
Speaker 3: the main If you can call at a road, we
Speaker 3: just get out there and hook it. Put in a
Speaker 3: lot of mileage scouting. So we thought that was great.
Speaker 3: So opening day comes as predicted, horrible weather. This is
Speaker 3: the first week in October. Way up north. Sleep all
Speaker 3: day the first day from six am to six pm.
Speaker 3: Then it turned to snow, but we just we struck
Speaker 3: out in different directions. That's how we hunt. We don't
Speaker 3: hunt together. It's been that way since I was probably
Speaker 3: eleven years old. We go one way, Dad goes another way.
Speaker 3: We meet back at the truck or base camp at dark.
Speaker 3: First day awful. Second day awful because it snowed, and
Speaker 3: then around the third day it was sunny and clear,
Speaker 3: not a cloud in the sky. We were at base
Speaker 3: camp to staying in our trucks. It was just too
Speaker 3: awful weather. I wasn't gonna biv a whack out on
Speaker 3: the side of that mountain.
Speaker 2: It was horrible. So I went east.
Speaker 3: I went west along the ridge line pretty much hit
Speaker 3: a dead end pretty quick. There's this massive rock formation
Speaker 3: that goes from the top of the mountain all the
Speaker 3: way to the bottom, and it's impassable by foot.
Speaker 2: So I started going.
Speaker 3: South a little bit, ended up coming back by base
Speaker 3: camp and it was roughly noon twelve thirty and decided
Speaker 3: I'd been all over the southwest portion of that mountain
Speaker 3: the previous two days, so let's just head.
Speaker 2: South by southeast.
Speaker 3: I knew my dad was due east on the ridge line,
Speaker 3: so I wasn't worried about bumping into him or anything.
Speaker 3: I'm just winding my way down this slope, and up
Speaker 3: to this point I had seen two deer and they
Speaker 3: were mule's actually up there instead of white tail.
Speaker 2: But nothing else.
Speaker 3: No spoor, no track, no game trails, nothing. So as
Speaker 3: I'm winding down this ridge, I come across the first
Speaker 3: or no, I'm sorry, ridge slope. I come across the
Speaker 3: first game trail i'd seen, and I got pretty excited
Speaker 3: because that meant there at least that animals across that
Speaker 3: awful mountain.
Speaker 2: So I start following it about southeast.
Speaker 3: So heading down the slope, a little bit and came
Speaker 3: into an area that was a little bit open, and
Speaker 3: I could see down below south of me there was
Speaker 3: actually some open grassy areas.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call them meadows, maybe clearings.
Speaker 3: And that got me even more excited, because that's a
Speaker 3: place elk would be grazing around on or dusk. And
Speaker 3: at this point it's close to one o'clock and I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: if I get down there and I keep going, that
Speaker 3: means I have to go up this mountain in the dark,
Speaker 3: and there's grizzly and stuff up there.
Speaker 2: I wasn't too worried about them there. We were pretty
Speaker 2: high up.
Speaker 3: But still I just figured, you know what, let's follow
Speaker 3: this game trail to start. And I'd been standing there,
Speaker 3: I don't know, five ten minutes, just looking down and
Speaker 3: looking to the game trail, which went actually east by northeast,
Speaker 3: so back up the mountain a little bit, which was
Speaker 3: more or less the direction I wanted to head towards
Speaker 3: the last half of the day. And I'm just standing
Speaker 3: there and I could see all the way. There's a
Speaker 3: break in the tree, so I could see these grassy
Speaker 3: areas and they went in steps, and I just made
Speaker 3: a note to myself, Hey, i'll come back tomorrow. Hit
Speaker 3: it early, get down there and see get down there
Speaker 3: before even daylight and lay up somewhere. But I decided
Speaker 3: today I'm gonna follow this game trail and I turned,
Speaker 3: had only gone a few steps, and I hear these
Speaker 3: five distinct knocks, And the best way I could describe them,
Speaker 3: it's if you spelled it out in a comic book.
Speaker 3: Thok fuck, just five evenly spaced fuck. And it was
Speaker 3: coming directly from one of those. What I could tell
Speaker 3: at first probably the furthest clearing somewhere down there. And
Speaker 3: I remember stopping and looking and going, what is someone
Speaker 3: doing down there? Beating on a tree? There's no people
Speaker 3: up here. This is horrible terrain that we haven't seen
Speaker 3: anybody in a couple of days.
Speaker 2: And I just thought, okay, yeah, whatever, that's weird.
Speaker 3: I don't know sound carries, but sure sounds like it
Speaker 3: was about two hundred and fifty three hundred yards down slope,
Speaker 3: and I thought, I don't know what to do, but
Speaker 3: times daylight's burning, I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 2: And so I was.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna keep falling the trail, and then
Speaker 3: I hear two more fuck fuck, and they're from the
Speaker 3: same relative positions. I was like, Okay, you know what,
Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 2: This sounds weird. Let's go see what's going on. And
Speaker 2: at this.
Speaker 3: Point I was just thinking that if these are people,
Speaker 3: what would they be doing down there. This doesn't sound
Speaker 3: like someone cutting wood. It just sounds like someone taking
Speaker 3: a big chunk of wood and just whacking it on
Speaker 3: a tree. I'm like, this doesn't make any sense, but
Speaker 3: all right, let's go find out what it is. I'm bored,
Speaker 3: so I start going down the slope and like I said,
Speaker 3: it would go in steps, so slope down and then
Speaker 3: hit a little bit of grass. In that first little catch,
Speaker 3: I actually saw elk sign. It was a little bit old,
Speaker 3: but it was there, and I stopped because I'm trying
Speaker 3: to listen for additional sounds. I'm looking down there to
Speaker 3: see if there's movement, and it's just still absolutely still
Speaker 3: calm day the only day up there that was even
Speaker 3: remotely like that. Hardly even a blade of grass was moving.
Speaker 3: And I went through that same thought process, what the
Speaker 3: heck is this? I should probably just turn around and
Speaker 3: go back up slope. So probably five minutes went by,
Speaker 3: because I'm looking and listening, and then whack.
Speaker 2: I hear it again.
Speaker 3: So now I'm like, Okay, now I have to go
Speaker 3: figure out what's doing this. So my brain switched from
Speaker 3: this might be a person down there doing who knows
Speaker 3: what to I don't know what type of animal I've
Speaker 3: hunted in the Pacific Northwest my whole life. What animal
Speaker 3: could do that? But I thought, that's the only thing
Speaker 3: that makes sense at this point. I can't imagine a
Speaker 3: person somehow getting up on this mountain not being visible
Speaker 3: to us on the only road, which we were at
Speaker 3: the terminal point of that road, And what would they
Speaker 3: be doing down there doing something like that.
Speaker 2: It just didn't make sense. So I'm going through animals.
Speaker 3: Maybe a bear's messing with a log, maybe something's kicking
Speaker 3: a tree, whatever, I'm gonna find out. So I start
Speaker 3: walking down again, and I'm stopping frequently. I had gone
Speaker 3: into stalking modes. So I'm walking very quietly, trying not
Speaker 3: to even break the crust on the snow, that little
Speaker 3: skiff of snow too much, and listening.
Speaker 2: I hear nothing. The wind's not blowing.
Speaker 3: I started thinking, maybe it's a tree that's bumping into
Speaker 3: another tree, but I would stop and look in a
Speaker 3: slight breeze, maybe five mile an hour breeze would come up,
Speaker 3: but hardly enough to even wiggle, like I said, grass,
Speaker 3: So okay, that's weird, that's not it. But I'm not
Speaker 3: hearing anything. So I'm like I, once again, maybe I
Speaker 3: should just turn around for a gain this happened and
Speaker 3: come back tomorrow.
Speaker 2: And then I get another single knock.
Speaker 3: Okay, whatever it is, it's still down there doing whatever
Speaker 3: it's doing.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 3: And this repeats itself again, and I get a third knock,
Speaker 3: and I'm repeating the same process. I started moving so
Speaker 3: quietly and slowly because I wanted I started getting this
Speaker 3: weird feeling that these knocks were only coming when I
Speaker 3: was stopped, and that didn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't hearing them while I was walking.
Speaker 3: And once again, this whole distance was about two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty maybe three hundred yards, And this whole time
Speaker 3: me closing on where I thought the sound was coming
Speaker 3: from ended up being about fifty minutes. So you can
Speaker 3: see that I wasn't rushing and bashing through trees and
Speaker 3: obscuring any sound.
Speaker 2: I'm listening and.
Speaker 3: It I I'd never heard that sound until I had
Speaker 3: been stopped for minutes, and then I would get a
Speaker 3: single sound and that would keep me going. And by
Speaker 3: the time I had gotten the fourth knock and it
Speaker 3: once again disrepeated itself like that whole pattern. I was
Speaker 3: now getting down off the slope and into level ground
Speaker 3: towards that grassy area. And now I'm probably fifty fifty
Speaker 3: sixty yards out from this grassy area, and at the
Speaker 3: end of it was basically a wall of young trees
Speaker 3: of different height. And as I got I heard that
Speaker 3: last single fourth knock, it really sounded to me like
Speaker 3: it was coming from somewhere behind that screen of trees. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's totally obscured for me. What's behind there's a I'm like, Oka, right,
Speaker 3: I guess I'm gonna have to go right up to
Speaker 3: it and figure out.
Speaker 2: What this is.
Speaker 3: Somehow, I'm level, I'm walking, and to my right there's
Speaker 3: this little I describe it as a long halfpipe in
Speaker 3: the ground.
Speaker 2: It's just it.
Speaker 3: If it was runoff, boy, it cut a nice smooth
Speaker 3: little gulch there. But I knew that in order to
Speaker 3: get into this clearing, I'd have to cross that, and
Speaker 3: once I crossed that, all the trees that I thought
Speaker 3: I was using as cover there was intermittent trees that
Speaker 3: I was trying to move behind a little bit because.
Speaker 2: My thinking is, oh, I'm gonna sneak up on.
Speaker 3: Some animal doing something weird, so let's be quiet and
Speaker 3: see what it's doing and how it's making that sound.
Speaker 2: And I'm getting closer.
Speaker 3: And when I reached the edge of that little dip
Speaker 3: in the ground, I stopped and go, Okay, once you
Speaker 3: cross this, you are now in the clearing and you're
Speaker 3: out in the wide open, so if something's back there,
Speaker 3: it can possibly see you. So I'm just okay, getting ready,
Speaker 3: had my rifle to my not up, but it'll low ready,
Speaker 3: so but stuck in my shoulder, muzzle down towards the ground,
Speaker 3: and I take a deep breath.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, here we go.
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Speaker 3: And right as I'm about to do that comes I
Speaker 3: can only describe it like a slow rate of fire
Speaker 3: machine gun, but it's the deep wood knocks just boom,
Speaker 3: is fast like a machine gun, and but loud, deep,
Speaker 3: not like a stick cracking against a tree, but the
Speaker 3: same deep, thick sounding knocks, but just like rapid fire.
Speaker 3: And I just was like, what the is going on here?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, and I remember saying this in
Speaker 3: my head. I'm like, it's definitely behind those trees, because
Speaker 3: that's where that sound came from.
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, all right, oh boy.
Speaker 3: And now I'm getting a little nervous because I'm like,
Speaker 3: I can't see into those trees, so maybe I should
Speaker 3: skirt out into this clearing and work my way around.
Speaker 2: The trees went in a.
Speaker 3: Imagine a capital j and I was below the foot
Speaker 3: of the jay, and the trees arked around, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll loop around and just keep some distance from these
Speaker 3: trees in case some animal comes back out at me.
Speaker 3: So take a deep breath, get the rifle Steady wants
Speaker 3: to get knock pointing it. Those rules of gun safety.
Speaker 3: I've been handling guns since I was four. I didn't
Speaker 3: have a target, I didn't know what was back there.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to point my firearm at anything. Take
Speaker 3: a deep breath, and I step out in the open.
Speaker 3: And it was like I made it maybe two three steps,
Speaker 3: and this thing I tried describing it to someone else,
Speaker 3: it was like having a bomb go off right in
Speaker 3: front of me.
Speaker 2: This thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that was swinging, but it must
Speaker 3: have been picked up a small tree, and just the
Speaker 3: force and violence behind this was just a kaboom. It
Speaker 3: just smashed into I don't know, it floored me. I literally,
Speaker 3: if someone could have caught me on video, I just
Speaker 3: stumbled backwards, almost tripped and fell over. I've got all
Speaker 3: my gear on my back, my rifle slung in, and
Speaker 3: I just staggered back in shock, and I look up
Speaker 3: and it all I could see was the chest up
Speaker 3: and it. Let me tell you, when I told this,
Speaker 3: I didn't tell my wife this for a year. I
Speaker 3: even told a YouTube channel about this, but I left
Speaker 3: out this part because I could. I'll tell you what
Speaker 3: happened afterwards, but it'll explain it. I when I looked up,
Speaker 3: because I staggered back, I'm looking at my feet tripping
Speaker 3: over grass, and all I can see is this massive
Speaker 3: shoulders neck head and this thing's just standing squared off
Speaker 3: to me, just glit, just looking down at me.
Speaker 2: What people would say, looking down your nose.
Speaker 3: And this is how I told people this story. I
Speaker 3: heard this massive explosive smash, and then it's like film
Speaker 3: reels of my brain got cut out, and I don't
Speaker 3: remember what happened except for what I did next, which
Speaker 3: was I see this thing maybe for one thousand and one,
Speaker 3: one thousand and two, maybe three, probably not more like
Speaker 3: two seconds, and I get off the X it's looking
Speaker 3: right at me. I take a diagonal out into the
Speaker 3: middle of that clearing. Then i'd bring my rifle up
Speaker 3: to my shoulder and I start out rifle pointed right
Speaker 3: at that tree I had. I had the scope at
Speaker 3: one power. I was hunting with an AR ten you know,
Speaker 3: chamber in three oh eight, and I'm backing up in.
Speaker 3: Every single fiber of my being is just screaming to run.
Speaker 3: I knew not to do that, But there's this other
Speaker 3: This is what chokes me up. Is there's that part
Speaker 3: of me, this an experienced hunter, that says, don't run,
Speaker 3: don't turn your back on it. The other part is
Speaker 3: like this little kid sitting in a corner in a
Speaker 3: ball going, this gun's not going to be enough.
Speaker 2: You're not going to be able to stop it before
Speaker 2: it gets you.
Speaker 3: And when I told that to someone else, they said, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the the fear talking.
Speaker 2: That's a three oh eight. It's a powerful rifle.
Speaker 3: You're hunting elk with it, right, And I'm like, I
Speaker 3: know the capability of that round.
Speaker 2: That's what scares me is I could kill it.
Speaker 3: I was talking about stopping it, not killing it.
Speaker 2: Like a bear charge.
Speaker 3: You can kill it, but then it's got a whole
Speaker 3: minute to kill you.
Speaker 2: I meant stop it.
Speaker 3: Whether that minute died right instantly or it died thirty
Speaker 3: minutes later. I wasn't sure if maybe if I got
Speaker 3: all talent ten rounds in that mag into it and
Speaker 3: then switched mags, which I had a spare on my belt,
Speaker 3: maybe that would have. But at this point we're thirty
Speaker 3: five yards apart and I'm backing up, so I'm creating distance.
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to say that was the part of
Speaker 3: my brain that I didn't think about any of that.
Speaker 3: I've I've trained with firearms a lot and done some
Speaker 3: of that stuff. So I'm just thinking I need distance
Speaker 3: because if it comes barreling out of those trees at me,
Speaker 3: I need time to get rounds on it, enough rounds
Speaker 3: hopefully to stop it. And but there's that little part,
Speaker 3: there's that little kid in terror just going. It's not
Speaker 3: gonna it's not gonna work. It's not gonna be enough gun.
Speaker 3: And right when I'm just at that breaking point, I
Speaker 3: make a decision that I do need distance and I
Speaker 3: need to create it quickly. But I can't just turn
Speaker 3: my back and run. So I made the decision as
Speaker 3: I'm backing up, I'm gonna turn, I'm gonna lunge like
Speaker 3: three steps how many yards that is, I'm gonna lunge,
Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna pivot back, bring my rifle up back,
Speaker 3: and then rinse and repeat until I got to the
Speaker 3: mountain slope just enough time to create a gap, but
Speaker 3: not turn my back long enough that if it comes
Speaker 3: out that I'm not gonna be just have this thing
Speaker 3: on me. And I got to the slope and just man,
Speaker 3: I just I went as hard as I physically could.
Speaker 3: I thank god I trained so hard for these hunts
Speaker 3: because this I just went straight up, just crashing through stuff.
Speaker 3: But I still told myself, you have to stop. Let's
Speaker 3: double the distance whatever that is, double what you thought
Speaker 3: you were doing in the clearing. Every twenty feet or so, pivot,
Speaker 3: put that rifle down range to make sure it's not
Speaker 3: right on your button coming. I did that repeatedly up
Speaker 3: this mountain. Probably took me about half an hour to
Speaker 3: get up to the top. And when I saw that road, man,
Speaker 3: I just saw this weird flat spot in front of
Speaker 3: me as my nose is almost touching the slope in
Speaker 3: front of.
Speaker 2: Me, and it was the road.
Speaker 3: And I hit that road, went crashing into the embankment
Speaker 3: on the other side, pivoted, put the rifle between my legs,
Speaker 3: and sat there just waiting for something, this head, to
Speaker 3: this huge head to come popping up over the edge
Speaker 3: of the road, and just and I it didn't. And
Speaker 3: I never heard a single sound ever again after that.
Speaker 3: I was so I was so shook up. I was
Speaker 3: less than a quarter mile from our trucks, and I
Speaker 3: didn't I couldn't figure out what to do. And I
Speaker 3: looked down in the snow that was left, and I
Speaker 3: saw my dad's bootprints from the day before. I'm forty
Speaker 3: at the time, I was forty years old, and I'd
Speaker 3: still hey, Dad, Dad got me out of here. I
Speaker 3: followed him his bootsteps back to camp, got in my truck,
Speaker 3: grabbed the large revolver I normally carry in bear country,
Speaker 3: stuffed my ar ten and the passenger side and just
Speaker 3: broke down.
Speaker 2: I couldn't start my truck.
Speaker 3: I was shaking so badly, just tears and and everything
Speaker 3: running into my beard. I was just I finally got
Speaker 3: the truck started and turned the heat on because I
Speaker 3: was shaking so badly.
Speaker 2: I thought I was going into shock.
Speaker 3: And and I just sat there and I feel like
Speaker 3: a coward, waited for my wait until my dad got
Speaker 3: back to camp and we ate dinner. I didn't say
Speaker 3: a word. He probably thought I was just tired, grumpy
Speaker 3: and went to sleep. And I stayed up all night
Speaker 3: in my truck holding that revolver with the rifle nearby,
Speaker 3: just I don't know, waiting to see if you would
Speaker 3: this thing would show up. And by morning I was
Speaker 3: so exhausted. I was then angry, and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm gonna strap on this revolver, get
Speaker 3: my spare moon clips, grab my ten milimeter, put that
Speaker 3: on my.
Speaker 2: Hip, grab extra mags, and I'm gonna go back down there.
Speaker 2: I wasn't. It was just stupid.
Speaker 3: That lasted about thirty seconds, and then we ate breakfast
Speaker 3: and my dad asked me, He.
Speaker 2: Said, how was it down that slope? Yesterday.
Speaker 3: I said, that's not worth it, It's not worth the time.
Speaker 3: He said, all right, let's just follow this ridge line.
Speaker 3: And we stuck to the ridge line. And I stayed
Speaker 3: out there another nine eight nine days. Didn't say a word,
Speaker 3: you know, to anybody for a long time, other than
Speaker 3: telling the story minus what I saw. It wasn't till
Speaker 3: much later that I didn't know what was going on
Speaker 3: in my brain. Why I could tell this story, why
Speaker 3: I would talk about it.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I work in the medical field, but I don't understand
Speaker 3: that trauma and psych stuff, and I just didn't realize
Speaker 3: what was going on until you know, nightmares, Uh, just daytime.
Speaker 3: I'd be out working in the yard and just something
Speaker 3: would spark my memory and I would just tears would
Speaker 3: just start running out of my eyes and start shaking,
Speaker 3: and it just messed. And you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: I didn't tell my wife. I started drinking more just
Speaker 3: to get to sleep, just shut down. Not all the time,
Speaker 3: but enough. And she told me much later, She said,
Speaker 3: one night, when I asked you when you kept when
Speaker 3: you told me you didn't think you could kill it,
Speaker 3: And I asked you, what did you see? And you
Speaker 3: started telling me and then you stopped and said, nope,
Speaker 3: I didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything.
Speaker 3: And then a year later to almost to the day,
Speaker 3: we're walking around looking at Halloween decorations in our neighborhood
Speaker 3: and someone had one of those ten foot tall skeletons
Speaker 3: out there in their yard and we were looking. I said,
Speaker 3: that's about how tall that thing was. And she looked
Speaker 3: at me and she goes, wait, what do you She's like,
Speaker 3: that is that's what you saw? I said, I didn't
Speaker 3: see a ten foot tall skeleton. I said, but it
Speaker 3: was about that tall. And she just looked at me, like,
Speaker 3: what is wrong with you? Why didn't you tell me
Speaker 3: this before? And I said, I literally couldn't. I could
Speaker 3: not get it out. I was maybe my conscious brain
Speaker 3: was afraid of even talking to people who have YouTube
Speaker 3: channels that talk about sasquatch, that it's all just a
Speaker 3: farce and I'm just going to be made fun of
Speaker 3: and ridiculed.
Speaker 2: And the other part was deeper than that.
Speaker 3: It was like, if you say out loud what you saw, now,
Speaker 3: it really does exist, and you have to accept that
Speaker 3: that you've been out in the woods by yourself hunting
Speaker 3: for the most part your entire life, and this is
Speaker 3: there and it took just a lot of therapy and
Speaker 3: time and you know, quit any you know alcohol thing
Speaker 3: you got that out that wasn't helping anything one bit,
Speaker 3: and yeah, yeah, that's most of it. And to this bay,
Speaker 3: I wasn't a sasquatch guy before. I had listened to
Speaker 3: Wes Germer show a bit before, just because it happened
Speaker 3: across my feed, but which was ironic because I didn't
Speaker 3: have any other sasquatch stuff. It was actually it probably
Speaker 3: linked to a show that debunks this type of thing.
Speaker 3: I was into that stuff when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: but the Lockness Monster was my jam because I love sharks,
Speaker 3: so anything in the water was pretty cool. And I
Speaker 3: grew up in the Pacific Northwest. It's I would have
Speaker 3: seen a sasquatch by now, But yeah, I don't know
Speaker 3: what else to say. I gotta look at it.
Speaker 2: The thing that.
Speaker 3: Got me was, I don't understand the size of this thing.
Speaker 3: Don't think I'm exaggerating when I say ten foot, because
Speaker 3: we were both on level ground and I'd been staring
Speaker 3: at these trees a while, and in relation to me,
Speaker 3: I had a rough approximation that they were, you know,
Speaker 3: seven eight foot and this thing's chess what chest up
Speaker 3: was above these some of these trees that it was
Speaker 3: standing in.
Speaker 2: But just the size. The only way I.
Speaker 3: Guess I could compare it is if you've ever seen
Speaker 3: a cape buffalo or something like that, They're just a
Speaker 3: massive animal. I'm not saying this thing look like a
Speaker 3: bodybuild or anything.
Speaker 1: Big for society who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: It was just a wall of meat and bone and hair.
Speaker 2: It was just so big.
Speaker 3: When it was standing obviously on two legs and glaring
Speaker 3: at me. The only thing I could see of its face.
Speaker 3: And once again I didn't look.
Speaker 2: At it very long.
Speaker 3: I deliberately I glanced and saw it and got this
Speaker 3: broad picture of it. I was not going to look
Speaker 3: that thing in the eyes, and like I said, I
Speaker 3: got out of its eye line of sight and into
Speaker 3: that meadow as quick as I could. But its skin,
Speaker 3: if that's what it was, its skin was must have
Speaker 3: been black, because it's I could just see a strip
Speaker 3: where I guess the nose is and most of the forehead,
Speaker 3: and then it just had like a beard and mustage,
Speaker 3: you know, fully, just like a bearded dude.
Speaker 2: All the way up to his cheek bones.
Speaker 3: The hair came down pretty far in its brow, so
Speaker 3: it wasn't a high forehead. But that's all I saw.
Speaker 3: I didn't see eyes, I didn't see lips. I tried
Speaker 3: not to fill in details and exaggerate. It was just
Speaker 3: like this black tea big beard hair. Its hair wasn't
Speaker 3: long and shaggy. It it looked dense, but not very long.
Speaker 3: And the coloration, I guess the only way I could
Speaker 3: comp is if you look at some older pine trees
Speaker 3: where they start to have a lot of grays in them,
Speaker 3: I guess that would be the predominant color gray, but
Speaker 3: with browns and charcoal colors.
Speaker 2: It was strange, but it was.
Speaker 3: It was like looking at a tree where there's a
Speaker 3: predominant color, but there's some other shades that are so
Speaker 3: subtly blended in that it almost you question, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what color would I say?
Speaker 2: That is? He never made a sound.
Speaker 3: I usually say he because I could see most of
Speaker 3: the chest and it was just flat.
Speaker 2: But that's about it for that Dan.
Speaker 1: That's a wild, wild account, probably one of the more
Speaker 1: intense ones that I have heard. I can definitely see
Speaker 1: how it would have taken you a long time to
Speaker 1: get to the point to share that with people, for sure?
Speaker 1: Is it okay if I ask you some questions about
Speaker 1: that experience?
Speaker 2: Of course? Yeah? All right.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned already that there there were parts of
Speaker 1: it that you didn't look at for certain reasons. Are
Speaker 1: there details of the face that you were able to remember.
Speaker 1: I know you didn't look into the eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think I could have seen the
Speaker 3: eyes anyways. I don't know if it was just heavy
Speaker 3: browed or recess sockets, but.
Speaker 2: It gets more or less look like just a massive
Speaker 2: human head.
Speaker 3: I didn't I could see the whole profile of it
Speaker 3: because it was in I guess the reason I could
Speaker 3: tell you the color is it was in such contrast
Speaker 3: to all those beautiful green, young trees that it was
Speaker 3: standing in the profile. As far as the head didn't
Speaker 3: look particularly conical. It just looked like a big human
Speaker 3: head covered in hair and a beard and mustache and
Speaker 3: just all the.
Speaker 2: Way up to his cheekbones.
Speaker 3: And I thought about it, you know, people I've listened
Speaker 3: to obviously your podcast and some other ones now and
Speaker 3: talking about the nose profile. I couldn't get that any
Speaker 3: real good profile. But it didn't seem overly broad, if
Speaker 3: that makes sense, just because that strip that I assumed
Speaker 3: was its black skin nose was didn't look like it
Speaker 3: was spread out across fairly narrow. As far as I
Speaker 3: told Brian king Sharp, I told him it looked like
Speaker 3: looking into a spartan helmet where you have the eyes
Speaker 3: cut out and then just that vertical line where the
Speaker 3: cheek guards come together. That's about what it was exposed
Speaker 3: on it. Other than his mouth was full beard. It's
Speaker 3: cold up there, so he was getting ready for winter.
Speaker 3: The warmest daytime temp I think was thirty three and
Speaker 3: that was that day. The rest of the time it
Speaker 3: was about twenty four during the day in about fourteen
Speaker 3: at night, so pretty chilly. But like I said, the size, though,
Speaker 3: that's that probably is what broke my brain more than
Speaker 3: seeing something that had a human profile just all of
Speaker 3: a sudden standing there in front of me. It just
Speaker 3: didn't make any sense how big it was and the
Speaker 3: breadth of its shoulders. I looked at my three quarter
Speaker 3: ton pickup when I got when I was aware enough
Speaker 3: to look at that, I'm like, this thing's shoulders are
Speaker 3: as wide as my tailgate. If not, I don't if
Speaker 3: it was standing in front of my truck, I don't
Speaker 3: it might overlap the hood as far as the width
Speaker 3: of its shoulders, and just so big and just dense,
Speaker 3: looking like I compare it to a Cape buffalo. It
Speaker 3: just looked like so much mass just right from that
Speaker 3: just that chest up it's It just seemed really preposterous,
Speaker 3: and and that's why my brain was going, I don't
Speaker 3: know if this gun is going to be enough to
Speaker 3: stop it, to break it down so it can't keep
Speaker 3: running and get me, because that's what I would have
Speaker 3: been going for, just like if a grizzly charges, Yeah, hopefully.
Speaker 2: You can get a headshot and shut it down right away.
Speaker 3: But the other option is you break its bone structure
Speaker 3: with big heavy bullets. And three oh eight is not
Speaker 3: a big heavy bullet.
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 3: Don't know how thick this thing was. But it just
Speaker 3: seemed this is all happening in an instant. And yes,
Speaker 3: I wasn't scared. This was stark terror. It's the only
Speaker 3: time in my life I thought wildland firefire grown up
Speaker 3: and have almost gotten burned over, and not once was
Speaker 3: I in terror. Yeah, maybe a little bit of adrenaline,
Speaker 3: but training kicks in this was just the only thing
Speaker 3: that got me through that was I've had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to train a lot. I'm not military, I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to be military or tactical, but I have trained with
Speaker 3: guys and done the whole shoot and scoot and fire
Speaker 3: and maneuver, just mainly for fun.
Speaker 2: I enjoy firearms.
Speaker 3: And when you can get out and do that with
Speaker 3: somebodies and just have a good time and just forget
Speaker 3: about everything else. But came in handy because I don't.
Speaker 3: I would have either stood there and then he would
Speaker 3: have decided me. That last knock or whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call it was obviously you need to leave and
Speaker 3: for it to show itself. And like I said, it
Speaker 3: was a guy in a bar, puffed up and just
Speaker 3: looking down at you, some big dude, like you need
Speaker 3: to it out of here. And I did, and maybe
Speaker 3: that's all it wanted. And it didn't come after me,
Speaker 3: no vocalizations, no further wood knocks. It was just over
Speaker 3: once I made that break for it. Never heard or
Speaker 3: saw anything the rest of the hunt. And I actually
Speaker 3: went back up there, not to that mountain, but the
Speaker 3: same area actually, as far as the crow is the
Speaker 3: crow flies, I was probably I went back to the
Speaker 3: following weekend because I still had some time. We didn't
Speaker 3: get any ELK, and my dad had to go back home,
Speaker 3: so I just jumped across the border again by myself.
Speaker 3: Got there at nine o'clock at night on the mountain
Speaker 3: and made base camp, and.
Speaker 2: But not on that ridge, and I never heard it.
Speaker 3: I hunted for another three days by myself in the
Speaker 3: lower areas below that mountain. I never heard or saw
Speaker 3: anything again. As far as that goes.
Speaker 1: So to me, that feels like you are almost in
Speaker 1: an area that you were not supposed to be, and
Speaker 1: it's just making sure that you didn't get any closer
Speaker 1: to whatever was going on in that area. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm taking from that so far.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing that's always hung me up is why
Speaker 3: did it keep knocking when if it had stopped I
Speaker 3: was leaving.
Speaker 2: Why did it keep.
Speaker 3: Knocking when I stopped and was hesitating about going further it?
Speaker 3: You know what, I sent an email to someone who's
Speaker 3: actually an ex girlfriend and I said, I just got out.
Speaker 3: I just survived in amb because that's when I was
Speaker 3: stumbling back on the road, I wasn't thinking of anything.
Speaker 3: But when I got in my truck and was finally
Speaker 3: felt somewhat safe. That's the one thing that went through
Speaker 3: my brain is this was a perfect kill zone. It
Speaker 3: was a funnel, trees on all sides except for that
Speaker 3: opening of grass. If I was a hunter, I would
Speaker 3: have been in those trees watching that meadow.
Speaker 2: Why didn't it just let me walk away?
Speaker 3: If it had stopped making those knocks or maybe it
Speaker 3: was a different one, I don't know. That's what's hung
Speaker 3: me up to this day. And a lot of people say, oh,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't do that, and they're not out to get
Speaker 3: you in. I was like, I'm not. If it was
Speaker 3: it would have had me. But what was it doing?
Speaker 2: Was this just?
Speaker 3: I don't think it's coincidence because if I had stopped
Speaker 3: and heard a knock once or twice, sure, but four times,
Speaker 3: and only when I stopped, I wasn't just standing there
Speaker 3: for a couple seconds.
Speaker 2: It could be five minutes, maybe a little bit more.
Speaker 3: And then only when I'm like, ah, this might not
Speaker 3: be worth my time. Fuck I hear it and it
Speaker 3: kept me going. It still could be the a coincidence.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to make anything of it. That's just
Speaker 3: what my brain came to was I got lured into
Speaker 3: an ambush point and let go. I don't think if
Speaker 3: that's the case, I don't think I had anything to
Speaker 3: do with me as a person. I just happened to
Speaker 3: be a lone hunter out there, and maybe they're like, hey,
Speaker 3: let's see if we can make a chance with this one.
Speaker 3: He's by himself or not. Yeah, that's just an idea.
Speaker 3: None of us know.
Speaker 2: I don't even know when I was there.
Speaker 1: It's tricky because it would it have been a different
Speaker 1: story if you were an elk? Is that what they
Speaker 1: were waiting for is an elk to come down? There's
Speaker 1: all these things we don't know. Yeah, but from what
Speaker 1: you remember and from what you were able to see,
Speaker 1: how would you categorize what you saw? Would it be
Speaker 1: something maybe more human looking or ape looking, or just
Speaker 1: something that's not even in those two categories.
Speaker 2: I would lean more towards that, not not in either one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, a humanoid shape as far as bipedal shoulders, head,
Speaker 3: that's it. Even comparing it to a great epe like
Speaker 3: a gorilla or camp or something. It just didn't It
Speaker 3: didn't make any It doesn't. It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: They're not like, they're not that big and square shouldered
Speaker 3: and thick like it just yeah, it's hard. It's hard
Speaker 3: to even categorize it at all other than hey it Yeah,
Speaker 3: it had a human shaped up or towards so and
Speaker 3: I guess it was covered in hair. So I guess
Speaker 3: you could say that's like an eight, but that's it.
Speaker 3: You could say a hyena looks like a dog, and
Speaker 3: it's not. It looks a lot like one.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: And just to clarify, you'd said that you only saw
Speaker 1: things chest and up right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. These trees were so intermingled.
Speaker 3: They were pushing out from the main forest into that
Speaker 3: clearing and so there was a lot of younger ones interlaced,
Speaker 3: and so it was really dense. That's what was worrying
Speaker 3: me is I couldn't see anywhere. You couldn't see anything
Speaker 3: within that grove of trees at all passed. So it
Speaker 3: had I don't know if it must have if it
Speaker 3: was crouched or behind them and came forward a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think it must have been crouched. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you remember was there a smell around at that time?
Speaker 1: Were there any sounds in the forest around that time.
Speaker 2: No, it was pretty quiet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting. Did you ever so this is
Speaker 1: after this all took place. Did you ever look into
Speaker 1: that area to see if there had been any other
Speaker 1: reported things happening related?
Speaker 2: No? I was done. Wow, I wanted like, I said,
Speaker 2: this is later.
Speaker 3: Once I finally this therapist who was a combat vet
Speaker 3: was the one who got me on the right track
Speaker 3: and said because I couldn't even spit it out to him,
Speaker 3: and he said, look, here's what I want you to do.
Speaker 3: Write it all down, the full story from when you
Speaker 3: left your house. I don't care if it takes you
Speaker 3: two months.
Speaker 2: To write this.
Speaker 3: Write every detail, put everything down, include what you're not
Speaker 3: wanting to tell me.
Speaker 2: And when I did that, it was like, okay.
Speaker 3: It took me about a week of setting that thing
Speaker 3: aside before I could describe that scene on paper. And
Speaker 3: then after that I could talk about it, but well,
Speaker 3: tell my wife at least.
Speaker 1: Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: But no, I was like, I don't want anything to
Speaker 2: do with this. I'm done.
Speaker 3: I swore that day. I was like, I'm never going
Speaker 3: hunting again. I'm not even all set foot in a
Speaker 3: city park.
Speaker 2: That's it. I'm not why that's runner around, But once again.
Speaker 3: For some reason, I went back the weekend after by
Speaker 3: myself at night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, I don't I apologize. I didn't look
Speaker 2: into anything.
Speaker 1: So the therapist then, I would guess read all what
Speaker 1: you wrote down. No, really, okay, he.
Speaker 3: Said, when you're done, I want you to go. I
Speaker 3: want you to go burn it. Wow if you can
Speaker 3: where this happened. And I haven't made it back there yet.
Speaker 1: So you still have that paper intact?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that something you think of? Where? Do you
Speaker 1: think you'll ever go back to that area and burn it?
Speaker 1: Or maybe not so much?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think I will, Plus I've had more time
Speaker 3: to think about it, and I don't know. I went
Speaker 3: the following year, spent two and a half weeks in
Speaker 3: the frank Kirk Wilderness. Didn't bother me one bit. I
Speaker 3: was up there by myself for days. My dad had
Speaker 3: to go back home to help my mom, and that
Speaker 3: was fine, no problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just might.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that this really affected you afterwards. You started
Speaker 1: to have dreams as well.
Speaker 3: You said, yeah, those night terrors I the worst though,
Speaker 3: which is fine, I dealt with that stuff before, leet
Speaker 3: prolysis and all that.
Speaker 2: I've had that really bad for over a decade. But
Speaker 2: the worst.
Speaker 3: Part was just being awaken. It's the middle of the
Speaker 3: day once again. This happened at one o'clock in the afternoon,
Speaker 3: and so it was broad daylight. I could just be
Speaker 3: all safe here in our home and just.
Speaker 2: This just.
Speaker 3: Wave of I don't know what would come over me
Speaker 3: and I would just start shaking and just involuntarily crying
Speaker 3: and just have to just do something or I yeah,
Speaker 3: I had no idea what was going on in my
Speaker 3: brain and tell it, you know, went south a little
Speaker 3: bit more. I just couldn't process it, and I obviously
Speaker 3: wasn't talking about it other than I could tell the
Speaker 3: rest of the story.
Speaker 2: It sounded good.
Speaker 3: It sounded almost like a cool hunting story where something
Speaker 3: weird happened. And I think that's what I was trying
Speaker 3: to do in my brain, is build up. If I
Speaker 3: tell a few people minus what I saw, because they'll
Speaker 3: think I'm crazy and.
Speaker 2: I will have to acknowledge what happened. Let's just tell
Speaker 2: the rest of it.
Speaker 3: I heard these crazy knocks, and who knows what happened,
Speaker 3: and yeah, it was fun, right, But in the meantime,
Speaker 3: it's just this ball of whatever just getting compressed tighter
Speaker 3: and tighter in me.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was just something else.
Speaker 1: During the dreams. Were there any times when it felt
Speaker 1: like there was something trying to communicate you at all?
Speaker 2: No, I would either.
Speaker 3: I would catch a sleep prolysis moment of this just
Speaker 3: hulking black figure coming through the door. Or I would
Speaker 3: just wake up already sobbing and not know why, just
Speaker 3: feel scared, like a little kid, just scared, and I'd
Speaker 3: just get out of bed and leave, leave the bedroom.
Speaker 3: And I don't even remember most the dreams really, it
Speaker 3: was just that waking up and start care for no reason,
Speaker 3: just peer.
Speaker 2: Panic already fight or flight out of a dead sleep.
Speaker 1: And have you experienced other things, other strange things before
Speaker 1: this event, or was this the first time in your
Speaker 1: life where you've experienced something that was just out of
Speaker 1: the ordinary.
Speaker 3: Low boy, you'd have to ask that question. I haven't
Speaker 3: told anybody this. I don't know if I should tell you.
Speaker 2: But all right.
Speaker 3: Before that happened, I totally forgot about this even just
Speaker 3: because it was like whatever is it?
Speaker 2: Weird?
Speaker 3: Had no correlate I think this the event of that
Speaker 3: day wiped it out. But the first or second night
Speaker 3: on that mountain, we're sleeping in our trucks and it's
Speaker 3: just pitch black and dark, and I hear this low,
Speaker 3: this sound that is so low pitched that it hurts
Speaker 3: my ears. And I'd blown my ear drums out a
Speaker 3: few times shooting firearms, and but it just hurt and
Speaker 3: I could literally it's like I couldn't hear it, but
Speaker 3: I could put my hand against my truck, and this
Speaker 3: up on this remote black mountaintop with really not much
Speaker 3: of a road and nothing else around us south of us,
Speaker 3: there's not trails, there's nothing. It's just national forest wilderness,
Speaker 3: like awful terrain in this sound. I started it physically
Speaker 3: hurt my ear and I was like, I need to
Speaker 3: go to sleep.
Speaker 2: What is doing this?
Speaker 3: So I was trying to mash my ears against my
Speaker 3: sleeping bag and it just kept going, and I started
Speaker 3: listening to it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this has a rhythm to it. What is
Speaker 2: going on here? And it was.
Speaker 3: I would look at my watch and I could time
Speaker 3: the peaks and valleys. It was very almost in its repetition, mechanical,
Speaker 3: but it was so low that it just it really
Speaker 3: hurt my ears. At one point I even rolled the
Speaker 3: window down put my phone out with a voice recorder.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I got to catch whatever this is.
Speaker 3: I brought it back in and turned it on. I
Speaker 3: turned it, I checked it. Then I couldn't hear anything
Speaker 3: because of that weird sound.
Speaker 2: But later on.
Speaker 3: I played it and no sound came out, but the
Speaker 3: peaks and valleys, the jumps, and just the timing of
Speaker 3: those reverberations showed on my phone on.
Speaker 2: The voice recorder. And this kept happen.
Speaker 3: This went on for over an hour and a half,
Speaker 3: and at one point this small plane, and this is
Speaker 3: the middle of the night, comes flying, comes over really low,
Speaker 3: and I was so tired and getting a little i don't.
Speaker 2: Know, like worried. I'm like, this is really bizarre.
Speaker 3: This sounds like it's coming from one exact direction, which
Speaker 3: was west of me, because I could plug my ear
Speaker 3: facing it and hear nothing. But then when I took
Speaker 3: it away and I faced that direction, I could just
Speaker 3: feel that kind of someone has base in their car
Speaker 3: and their blocks away. But this plane came over and
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, maybe that'll make it shut up. I
Speaker 3: was so tired and exhausted anyways, and sure enough, this
Speaker 3: plane comes over pretty darn low and the sound stops
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, thank goodness. And ten minutes goes
Speaker 3: by and I'm like, oh, I'm falling asleep. And then
Speaker 3: it starts back up, but quicker. The beat is quicker,
Speaker 3: just this deep hum and it just starts picking up
Speaker 3: pace and I'm like, oh no, and it's scary because
Speaker 3: there's nothing else around. I'm like, what is making this
Speaker 3: is so bizarre. And I got out of my truck
Speaker 3: once i flipped from scared to mad again. I'm not
Speaker 3: my truck, and I'm like, all right, if something's gonna
Speaker 3: kill me right now, or come out of the woods.
Speaker 3: And I could still hear it, but and it was
Speaker 3: coming from one direction. Obvious, just based on how I turned.
Speaker 3: You can triangulate that sound. In the morning, I didn't
Speaker 3: really sleep. We got up about four o'clock and my
Speaker 3: dad crawled out of his truck and I said, how
Speaker 3: did you sleep last night with that sound?
Speaker 2: And he said, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: And I said that like super deep, vibrating, weird bass
Speaker 3: sound that went on for a two plus, you know,
Speaker 3: over two hours.
Speaker 2: You didn't feel or hear that. He's like hearing. He's
Speaker 2: not so good anymore. So Nope.
Speaker 3: I went, Okay, that's weird, and then went about our
Speaker 3: day and never really thought much of it.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: Did it affect you in any other parts beside your ears?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, that is really weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like, maybe it's a I don't know,
Speaker 3: some distant mining operation or something.
Speaker 2: We're up in the woods.
Speaker 3: It maybe it is something mechanical and just by the
Speaker 3: nature of how sound carries and chrisp high cold air,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but that was weird.
Speaker 2: It's funny you asked that.
Speaker 3: Because I mentioned that to my kid the other day,
Speaker 3: and of course he had all kinds of speculation and
Speaker 3: thoughts about it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's all sorts of stuff. Is it? Could
Speaker 1: it be an infrasound thing? Hard to say. Did you
Speaker 1: ever experience any strange lights when you're up there?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: And did you hear any other sounds that just did
Speaker 1: not seem to fit the area that you were in?
Speaker 2: No other than that running into.
Speaker 3: A monster sized sasquatch. The rest of the hunting was
Speaker 3: pretty chill. Had a moose break cover right in front
Speaker 3: of me, almost run me over, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots of food up there. There's more. I
Speaker 2: saw more moose in that location, I have my whole life.
Speaker 1: And that alone is a good piece of information too,
Speaker 1: because that's a huge food source. And if you're saying
Speaker 1: there's tons of it up there, there's another piece of evidence.
Speaker 1: Could Yeah, these creatures could definitely be sustained in that
Speaker 1: region due to the huge food source, besides the fact
Speaker 1: that you saw it with your two eyes, which is
Speaker 1: that's number one piece of evidence right there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's lots of food, lots of protein up there.
Speaker 3: There's wolf ran into some wolfires, black and grizzly bear,
Speaker 3: a lot of white tail. I saw a few mealle's
Speaker 3: the moose. I just couldn't believe how much not only
Speaker 3: moose signed but having them just run across the roads
Speaker 3: that was lower down. We dropped off of that mountain after. Coincidentally,
Speaker 3: the day after the day after that happened, we primarily
Speaker 3: hunted low because well, a I was happy too. I
Speaker 3: didn't say anything, but there was no ant. There just
Speaker 3: wasn't enough animal up there at that time of year.
Speaker 3: But no, pretty pretty mellow outside that.
Speaker 1: Do you still have that audio you recorded that night.
Speaker 3: I don't think I do, other than it had those
Speaker 3: perfectly timed blips and no audible sound to it.
Speaker 2: I was just like, what am I going to do
Speaker 2: with this? That was weird? I just wrote it all
Speaker 2: off as right. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did you record any audio or video during the time
Speaker 1: of the encounter or in the same time of day.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I probably have some pictures random things, but no, usually this,
Speaker 3: I don't even carry my cell phone with me.
Speaker 2: There's no reception up there.
Speaker 1: So you didn't have a cell phone with you at
Speaker 1: the time of the encounter.
Speaker 2: Oh, no, it was in my truck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, interesting, I'll.
Speaker 3: Probably break it if I carry it with me in too.
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, I guess other pictures it's worthless up there.
Speaker 1: Did you Did you have any other electronics with you?
Speaker 2: Not on my person?
Speaker 1: Hmm, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I did. I take that back?
Speaker 3: My dad and I carry two way radios, but I
Speaker 3: probably had that turned all the way down.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I did.
Speaker 3: If I if one of us suspects that there's an
Speaker 3: animal close and we need to go into kind of
Speaker 3: stalking mode where well I will shut them down.
Speaker 1: Gotcha?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Makes sense. So back to a previous question, Let's say,
Speaker 1: before this hunting expedition in your life, were there any
Speaker 1: other strange things that you experienced besides all.
Speaker 3: Of this, I've had some odd occurrences hunting that I
Speaker 3: even then, this is way before that happened, that I
Speaker 3: still thought it was weird.
Speaker 2: Do you want me to describe that at all?
Speaker 1: So sometimes it can be interesting. There can be connections
Speaker 1: that come up between the two. Yeah, if it's something
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable sharing.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, nothing here normal.
Speaker 3: I admit, up until this point complete skeptic in all
Speaker 3: this is a kid I would have loved if Sasquatch
Speaker 3: was real, But as I got to an adult, I'm like,
Speaker 3: like a lot of hunters are people that spend a
Speaker 3: lot of time in the outdoors.
Speaker 2: I would have seen one by now at the very least.
Speaker 3: Of course, then you go back into areas like Montana, Idaho, Wyoming,
Speaker 3: and you see how much untouched territory, and you could
Speaker 3: easily go No, there's lots of things that could live
Speaker 3: out here and never be seen by a human. The
Speaker 3: humans don't even go to some of these places that
Speaker 3: I've looked a glass from a ridge line. It's humans
Speaker 3: don't go over here, right, But I was in one
Speaker 3: of those areas in the frank Church. I'd been tracking
Speaker 3: a tailing a herd of elk since before daylight. I
Speaker 3: had cut their sign early, had a headlamp on. My
Speaker 3: dad said he had seen some fresh track and thought
Speaker 3: it would be a good place for me to go,
Speaker 3: and so I cut their track pretty early and followed
Speaker 3: them up this ridge line and just kept going, probably
Speaker 3: five plus miles, and I got to this bench where
Speaker 3: the ridge line went from just a goat trail that
Speaker 3: I could only stand on to this wide bench and
Speaker 3: a burn had a fire had gone through, so all
Speaker 3: the trees were burned.
Speaker 1: Big for society would be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: They were still standing, but just dead skeletons, and there
Speaker 3: was a little bit of grass in there. But I
Speaker 3: followed the herds tracks in there and there's just no cover.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, if they're at the end, I can
Speaker 3: see them and they can see me, and I can't
Speaker 3: see them, so I'll just keep falling their sign and
Speaker 3: maybe catch up to them. I've been tailing them all
Speaker 3: day and I get there about to the middle of
Speaker 3: this bench and it's just it was eerily quiet, just
Speaker 3: no wind, no bugs, no birds. It's just dead silent,
Speaker 3: and I'm in this ghost yard of dead trees. It
Speaker 3: was just creepy.
Speaker 2: But I.
Speaker 3: Got about halfway in and that heard it just literally
Speaker 3: button hooked on me and went back the way we
Speaker 3: had come and dove off the ridge down into this
Speaker 3: just ravine of trees and awfulness. And I'm like, that's
Speaker 3: it for them. I'm not going after him down there,
Speaker 3: And so I stopped behind this down tree that I
Speaker 3: sat behind the root bolt so I could have some shade,
Speaker 3: and I'm just eating.
Speaker 2: In this looking around.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is really cool, this is bizarre, this
Speaker 3: is really quiet. I haven't seen a I think you'd
Speaker 3: see a bird. Those trees are full of bugs.
Speaker 2: And I just.
Speaker 3: Got that prickly on the back of my neck feel
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, I can see halfway one way
Speaker 3: down this across this ridge, but what's behind me? Because
Speaker 3: my back is to this huge down tree. And I
Speaker 3: just grabbed my rifle and pivoted around, just expecting to
Speaker 3: see like a cat or something sneaking up on me.
Speaker 2: And there was nothing, of course, but I just.
Speaker 3: Got up, got my gear on and was like, I'm
Speaker 3: leaving this place, this is this doesn't feel right. That's
Speaker 3: that hasn't happened to me really any other time. I've
Speaker 3: had clothes encounters with bear, some little too close, and
Speaker 3: that's just what it is, bear or bear, And this
Speaker 3: was one of those few times I think something stuck
Speaker 3: in me and I can't see.
Speaker 2: It, so I'm just gonna back away and call it good.
Speaker 1: That is that is very interesting for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was a bad Yeah, that was a bad feeling.
Speaker 3: But never had anything like that again, So I don't
Speaker 3: know if that means anything at all. It was just
Speaker 3: it was a weird thing, and I thought about it later.
Speaker 1: Would you ever want to see or experience what you
Speaker 1: experienced that day again?
Speaker 3: No, nope. I don't think I would gain anything from it.
Speaker 3: I've seen it. I know they're real now.
Speaker 2: I just I don't think it would serve anything.
Speaker 3: I'd be fascinated to see what their anatomy is laid
Speaker 3: out on a slab.
Speaker 2: Not that I'm saying we should go out and kill them.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I been in the medical field my
Speaker 2: whole adult life.
Speaker 3: It'd be fascinating to see how they're structured and other
Speaker 3: than being scared out of your mind, have some time
Speaker 3: to really look at them. But outside of that type
Speaker 3: of scenario, no, I don't want much to do with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense, Dan, this has been a really
Speaker 1: interesting conversation. I'm glad that you reached out to me.
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing that.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1: The good thing about this and sometimes it's not this,
Speaker 1: but sometimes encounters like this make it so the person
Speaker 1: never go in the woods again. And it sounds like
Speaker 1: you're at the point where you're okay with because going
Speaker 1: in the woods.
Speaker 3: I am as much as I don't really want to
Speaker 3: have anything to do with them, and that's fine. They
Speaker 3: probably don't with me either, who is aware before because
Speaker 3: there are other things out there that can kill you
Speaker 3: and treat you like a snack. But I just, yeah,
Speaker 3: I if I hear strange knocking sounds in the woods,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go towards them again. Like it going, well,
Speaker 3: what's this? This is pretty cool, let's figure out what
Speaker 3: this is. I'll probably leave that alone. Jeremiah, I apologize,
Speaker 3: but there's one thing I didn't say about why. I
Speaker 3: thought it may have actually been trying to draw me in,
Speaker 3: but got really pissed off at the end is my rifle.
Speaker 3: I was camoed head to toe. The only thing you
Speaker 3: could see on me was my eyes. The rest was
Speaker 3: camouflage everything, and that includes my rifle. So with that
Speaker 3: rifle held up against my torso it doesn't it looked
Speaker 3: like my jacket. So I actually I wondered, wasn't it. Kay,
Speaker 3: what's this guy doing by himself? Let's get him a
Speaker 3: little closer. And once I got close enough and it
Speaker 3: could clearly see this was a weapon.
Speaker 2: And not just part of my body.
Speaker 3: That's when I came into the open and I had
Speaker 3: the rifle at low ready, so not just held you know,
Speaker 3: vertical with my body, but away. That's when those five
Speaker 3: rapid fire knocks came. And when I decided to ignore that,
Speaker 3: which in retrospect was ridiculous. There it was very clear
Speaker 3: something was not happy with me, and I kept advancing.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's when it's like, all right, enough is enough.
Speaker 3: This guy's got a gun. All right, fund's over. We
Speaker 3: don't want to get shot. But if he's going to
Speaker 3: keep coming, let's square off and show him whose boss.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's just one of those things.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about people that it's a weekend.
Speaker 1: Let's go into the woods trying to find the Bigfoot
Speaker 1: and knock on trees and all that good stuff. Do
Speaker 1: you have any feeling towards people like that or advice
Speaker 1: or no?
Speaker 2: I don't have any. I guess I just have no comment.
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 3: If you want to do that, I you will.
Speaker 2: I won't, right, Yeah, I won't do it.
Speaker 3: But no, I I'm the last one to ask advice.
Speaker 3: I walked right towards wood knocks and tell this thing
Speaker 3: had to get mad enough to show me off that once.
Speaker 3: I guess I could have looked at it longer, but
Speaker 3: that's that whole instinct. Well, don't look up another preyer
Speaker 3: or in the eye and square off with it.
Speaker 2: Otherwise that might work.
Speaker 3: That works with a mountain lion or a black bear,
Speaker 3: they can be pretty easily intimidated, but not something like that.
Speaker 3: He was clearly the one trying to do the intimidating
Speaker 3: and it worked. So no, I just hope people are safe.
Speaker 3: It just seems like.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: I mean, my whole part of my whole problem with
Speaker 3: this whole thing is I don't know what its intentions
Speaker 3: were and what those knocks meant until the end, that
Speaker 3: was pretty clear you need to leave. So that would
Speaker 3: make me very nervous to go out and do that
Speaker 3: and not know.
Speaker 2: What you're saying to them. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: I've heard other I've heard other people say that, but yeah,
Speaker 3: to each their own.
Speaker 2: Just be safe, that's right.
Speaker 3: I'm glad people are getting out in the woods's that's
Speaker 3: I hope for everybody.
Speaker 1: Absolutely be careful.
Speaker 2: I didn't want this. I didn't ask for it. I
Speaker 2: had no.
Speaker 3: Thought in my brain that I would this would ever
Speaker 3: happen to me. Like I said, it just wasn't a
Speaker 3: thing to my brain. I guess that's why I could.
Speaker 3: I walked towards the Knoxes. I'm like, okay, it don't
Speaker 3: think it's a human outdoing this, and I don't know
Speaker 3: of any animals in North America that can do this.
Speaker 3: Let's go figure out what it is. But at no
Speaker 3: point was it like, oh, this might be a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I wasn't versed enough in that they do knocking sounds
Speaker 3: and other stuff like that until I started listening to
Speaker 3: more podcasts.
Speaker 1: And hmm, Danny, did you have any questions for me
Speaker 1: that that didn't come up during recording.
Speaker 3: You actually asked me some of the questions I would
Speaker 3: have asked, so no, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Awesome. If there's anything that if you ever need help
Speaker 1: with this in the future, feel free to reach out. Definitely.
Speaker 1: That's the main reason that I do stuff like this,
Speaker 1: try to help people work through stuff. But yeah, Dan,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking some time to share
Speaker 1: what you experienced up there in northern Idaho.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you for your time here.
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