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Good evening, the sound 54 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.800 of snagging, snapping twigs closed in on the five teenagers 55 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:02.120 enjoying an evening around the blowing campfire at Gitchee Manitou 56 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:06.520 State Park. The night of music and laughter had taken 57 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:10.680 a dark turn. Evil loomed just beyond the tree line, 58 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:14.120 and before the night was over, one of the Midwest's 59 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.520 most horrific mass murders had left its blood stained spewed 60 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:22.120 across the campsite. One managed to survive and would come 61 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:26.280 to be known as the Gitchee Girl. Harrowing memories of 62 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:30.719 the testifying crime sent her spiraling out of control, and 63 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:37.319 she grasps at every avenue to rebuild her life. 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The 73 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:14.319 book that we're featuring this evening is The Getchy Girl, 74 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:18.800 the survivor's inside story of the mass murders that shock 75 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:22.839 the Heartland, with my special guest, journalist and author Phil Hamman. 76 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:25.360 Welcome to the program, and thank you for a green 77 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:26.480 this interview. Phil Hamman. 78 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:32.000 How you doing, Dan, very good, Thank you for joining 79 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.360 me on the program tonight. And I hope I didn't 80 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:35.720 mispronounce your last name. 81 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:39.279 Phil Hammon, like kind of like the Hammond Oregon Hammon. 82 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.279 There we go. Sorry, Thank you very much for clarifying 83 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:48.360 that Haman Hammond, Phil Hammond. Get okay, Thanks, thank you. 84 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:55.399 Let's start off with setting these stage for where this 85 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.680 incredible crime occurs, and this is Sue Falls, South Dakota. 86 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:05.439 So tell us where Sioux Falls South Dakota is in proximity. 87 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:09.560 We talk about Iowa in this in this case, in 88 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:14.759 this story predominantly. So let's talk about Sioux Falls, South Dakota. First. 89 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.079 What's it like. Where is it located? 90 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:21.800 Well, Soup Falls, South Dakota is the largest city in 91 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:25.279 the state of South Dakota, dan And it's located in 92 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:30.600 the very eastern southern part of South Dakota. And it 93 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.120 butts Sooux Falls butts right up, you know, just a 94 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:37.480 few miles away from the Iowa border, Okay. And get 95 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.000 Chi Manitu is a state park. Well, it's a state 96 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:42.319 preserved now it's been turned into a wildlife preserve, but 97 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:44.480 at the time it was a state park. And it's 98 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:49.040 located about twelve miles east of Sioux Falls, South Dakota. 99 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:53.480 And Getchi Manitu. In fact, when I was a kid 100 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:57.519 growing up, I'm from Sioux Falls, South Dakota, I always 101 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.519 thought Getchi Manitude, you know, with the whole park was 102 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:02.319 in the state of Iowa. But I found out during 103 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:04.720 the research for this book that a small portion of 104 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:07.000 it does lie in South Dakota. So that's how close 105 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:08.199 it is. 106 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:12.839 Now. This is also the land of a nihian Nabi 107 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:19.000 Indians and and plays quite a prenominant part in this 108 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:21.079 story as well. So tell us a little bit about 109 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:24.720 the history of Anisian Abi Indians and the reserve and 110 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:25.319 that area. 111 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.480 Well, you know, there are some Indian burial mounds out there. 112 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:33.199 Getchi Manitou actually means great spirit. So around this area 113 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.079 in the Midwest, you know, you have a lot of 114 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:39.279 Native American names, and getchi Manitou is Native American for 115 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:41.920 great spirit. And there are burial mounds out there. That's 116 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:46.240 actually a very beautiful park, a lot of pink outcrop cropping, rocks, 117 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.040 you know, a lot of trails. The Big Sioux River 118 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:51.959 winds through there. It's kind of a kind of a 119 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:54.360 beautiful park. But you know, now it's got such a 120 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:58.120 sinister background that you know, it's it's got a very uh, 121 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.160 you know, you know, heinous reputation. 122 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:09.319 Now, now let's go back to Now this crime occurs 123 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.480 in the early seventy seventy three, but let's go back 124 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:18.160 to Sandra Chesky and describe her life with her siblings. 125 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:21.040 And it's very important some of the things that do 126 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:23.600 happen in her life, and so we'll have to talk 127 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:26.519 about that because it really makes a big difference on 128 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.079 the night in question as well. So let's go back to. 129 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.959 Well, you know, yeah, this girl is a huge survivor 130 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.920 throughout so many different things of her life. Dan, you 131 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.519 know she she does have a little Native American in her, 132 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:42.920 uh you know the you know her her mom and 133 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:46.879 dad end up stay stayed together. She was raised pretty 134 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.639 much in a single mom home, three older brothers. She's 135 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:53.759 the youngest. She was. Actually, she was born in the 136 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.759 backseat of a car. Her mom was trying to get 137 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.680 to the hospital. They had an inexperienced driver when her 138 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:01.120 mother went into labor, and Sam made her arrival in 139 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.240 the back seat of a car. It's kind of an 140 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.839 interesting story. In fact, after the book came out, we 141 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:11.439 didn't know this, but one of a lady contacted her 142 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.639 and said, Sandra, I was actually in the back seat 143 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:17.000 I delivered you. I was a young girl. My mother 144 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:19.639 was the driver, and when we got to the to 145 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:22.879 the rural hospital, you'd already been born. I wrapped you 146 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:24.879 in a towel and took you in. By the time 147 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.319 we got back home, you know, you know what the 148 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:30.480 seats probably looked like after giving birth back there, they 149 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:32.279 were bloody. They took the seat out of the back 150 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:34.600 seat of the car. They set it up against a barn, 151 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.039 and a nosy neighbor thought somebody had been murdered, so 152 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.559 they called the sheriffs who came and investigated and Sandra. 153 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:41.799 So Sandra made her arrival in the backseat of a car, 154 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:45.879 and so some other things that happened to her. Dan 155 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.200 there was a man in her mom's life that didn't 156 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.000 really want the kids around. She was shipped off to 157 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:54.279 a foster family, had real bad experience there. Then when 158 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.039 she did come home, she was shipped off to a mission, 159 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:00.360 a Native American boarding school. And back in those it 160 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:03.039 was a pretty harsh environment, uh, you know, and she 161 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:05.080 was considered too white by a lot of the Native 162 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:08.879 American kids, so she was discriminated against and bullied, and 163 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:11.799 so she had she had a pretty hard life. And 164 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:14.440 you know, and then of course to get umanitu incident 165 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.360 takes place in her life. So this girl has had 166 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:18.279 to overcome a lot. 167 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.879 Now, just not to explain that, to clarify that her 168 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.039 it's not like her mother doesn't want her. It's we 169 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.559 talk about the man in her life not really wanting her. 170 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:32.720 And that's how she ended up in foster home and 171 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.440 that's how she ended up in this boarding house is 172 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:37.919 boarding school as well. But the thing was that she 173 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.039 always implored to her mother and appeal to her mother, 174 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:43.679 and her mother would try to get her back at home. 175 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:49.919 So eventually Sandra is reunited with her mother. Lola, isn't she? 176 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:53.759 Yes, and and and again her mother was a good gal. 177 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:55.799 You know how I can go, and you know, the 178 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.840 mom isn't always calling the shots. And you know, her 179 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.080 mother did always come back. I can take care of her. 180 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.000 But then, of course she was a single mom, not 181 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:07.320 making very much money, trying to raise four children, and 182 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.720 so she has gone working a lot too. But Sandra 183 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.600 always had a good relationship with her mother. Speaks highly 184 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:15.519 of her mother, and you know, there's just circumstances of life, 185 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:17.320 you know, dan as you know how it can go. 186 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:23.399 Now, what type of girl was she we're talking about 187 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:27.960 Now we'll get closer to this summer before the incident 188 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:32.960 in nineteen seventy three, but describe Sandra in terms of 189 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.519 her you know, with her other playmates and other people 190 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:42.200 at school. She has survived again some adverse situations already 191 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.480 in her life, and she's back with her mother and 192 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:47.519 has a brother. She has a good relationship in her family. 193 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:50.000 So just tell us where she's at in terms of 194 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:53.720 sort of relationships with other people and sort of what 195 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:56.039 kind of time is it in her life that summer. 196 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.639 Well, you know, she's a very she makes friends very easily. 197 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:04.519 She's a very bubbly person, very upbeat, very mature, young lady. 198 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:08.360 She had a lot of friends. Okay, she was very outgoing. 199 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:10.600 She was very naive young girl. You know, when a 200 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:12.399 lot of this stuff comes down, you'll find out that 201 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:14.559 a lot of her experiences came from watching The Brady 202 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:18.240 Bunch on TV or Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom. You know, 203 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:20.559 she was pretty, you know, pretty naive about a lot 204 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:23.960 of things in the world. But she was a good kid. 205 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:26.480 You know, she had a lot of friends. She was 206 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.159 very outgoing, very bubbly, very happy. She hung out with 207 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:34.320 her brothers who were older. Some of her friends were 208 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:37.480 a few years older when Sandra. This incident that gets 209 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:40.399 you took place when Sandra was thirteen. Now I've known 210 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:43.919 this girl personally since we've been teenagers. You know, she 211 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.720 was a very beautiful young lady. She didn't look like 212 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.480 she was thirteen. She was thirteen, looking like she was seventeen, 213 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:53.200 but she was still thirteen at the time this took place. 214 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.720 And we're talking about not only talking we're talking about 215 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.159 an innocent time. We're talking about a pretty inno and 216 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:04.440 young girl as well, not very experienced in terms of 217 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.600 it's really odd reading it because now we're talking about 218 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.600 that many years, forty years as a big time spence 219 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:16.919 in terms of how people view things. But she was 220 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.120 a pretty innocent girl in a pretty innocent time in 221 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:21.320 a small town, wasn't she. 222 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.399 Yeah? And you know she lived in a small town 223 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.840 just outside of Sioux Falls now Sue Falls. South Dakota 224 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.679 at that time was about eighty thousand people, but it 225 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.840 was a Midwest dan We were a sheltered environment. I mean, 226 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:35.399 there was not a lot of crime that took place. 227 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:38.919 It was like a small town cety, even though Falls 228 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:40.960 was the largest town in the state of South Dakota. 229 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.240 But she was a good kid, naive, but she was 230 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.159 a very bubbly, happy, outgoing person at this time. 231 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:53.320 To talk about and not to give anything away, but 232 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:57.240 I just want to elaborate on that point. We're talking 233 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:59.639 about a sheriff and the one deputy, aren't. 234 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:03.559 We Yes, well yes, because the murder took place actually 235 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:08.799 in Iowa, Lyon County, just outside of Rock Rapids, Iowa, 236 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:11.679 which is a very small community. And so the jurisdiction 237 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:16.440 fell under the local sheriff there and his one deputy. Okay, 238 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:20.080 so yeah, and that's where the jurisdiction of this murder 239 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.879 took place. So they were heavily involved in this investigation. 240 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.200 Now, Sandra is a normal, you know, normal young lady, 241 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.240 and she's thirteen years old in this summer, and so 242 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.600 tell us the circumstances where she meets a young man 243 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.080 that she's been smitten by. Is this Roger? 244 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:47.600 Roger Ye knew him well, lived right by me. Actually, 245 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:50.600 you know, for the listeners, Dan, I do have a 246 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:53.679 personal connection to this murder. My former best friend was 247 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:55.320 one of the boys murdered out there. I knew all 248 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:57.799 the other teenagers that were murdered. And again I've known 249 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:03.080 Sandra Chesky since we were teenagers. How she met Sandra's thirteen, 250 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.360 Roger Ressem is seventeen. They met at the drive in 251 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.840 movie theater, which was a big place for kids to go. 252 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.159 Sandra came into town with a friend of hers who 253 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.080 was three years older than her. Sandra's looking like she's seventeen. 254 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.279 She happens to run into Roger Wresseam, who is seventeen, 255 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.000 who went to sux Falls, Washington High School, same high 256 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.519 school that I attended, And they just happened to running 257 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:25.639 into each other at the concession stand of the drive 258 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:29.000 in movie theater. They spark up a conversation, they kind 259 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:30.799 of hit it off. Roger gets her phone number and 260 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.600 he calls her up and they start dating. Sandra never 261 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.240 did tell him her real age. She kind of just 262 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.399 kind of avoided that topic and just said that she 263 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.679 went to Harrisburg High School, which was outside of the 264 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:46.039 city of Soux Falls. And you know, that plays itself 265 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.159 out in the book. We talk about that a little more. 266 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:52.600 Now. I talked about experience. So in terms of this 267 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.919 thirteen year old, how experience is is she in this 268 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.919 type of relationship and what does she think this relationship is? 269 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.600 How serious the you take it? And in terms of 270 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:05.200 expressing it with her friend, like her best friend Debbie. 271 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:08.279 Well, you know right away, of course she's all I mean, 272 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:11.519 Roger was a very good looking guy, very outgoing, very 273 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:14.840 well liked young man. I mean, she was just elated, bubbly, 274 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:18.519 I mean, and they had, they dated, they went on dates, 275 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.360 and but it was very innocent. Uh And I will say, 276 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:23.720 I'll tell the reader or your listeners right up front. 277 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.120 Obviously there's going to be a sexual assault that takes 278 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:28.960 place on this young lady later on during this crime. 279 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:31.279 She was a virgin at the time. They had a 280 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:36.360 very innocent relationship. You know, they kissed, held hands. It 281 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:38.480 was it was a typical first love kind of a 282 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:40.000 situation for Sandracewski. 283 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:47.039 Right. How much did her mother, even though she was busy, 284 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.200 you know, going to school, she got a nursing degree, 285 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.840 so she was a very busy woman, tried to take 286 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.919 care of her her children, but she was away from 287 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:59.759 the home a little bit. How much did she know 288 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:04.519 about out her merging interest in boys and this Roger 289 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:06.519 in particular. Do she know anything about that at all? 290 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.360 Well, you know, I you know, I don't believe that 291 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:12.000 her mom. I think her mom knew that she you know, 292 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:14.360 went on some dates with some boys, and you know, 293 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:16.799 but it was kind of a time when I don't 294 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:19.039 think her mom hovered over her. She was always a 295 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.480 good kid. She was responsible, you know, she had her 296 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.480 older brothers looking after her. Now, when her and Roger 297 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:28.639 were on dates. Stuart Baby, which he was Roger's friend, 298 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:31.440 was generally always with him because he drove. Stuart had 299 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.919 a van and Roger didn't, you know, so there was 300 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:37.039 always it was kind of like dates with two three 301 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:39.399 four people all the time. They were always off doing 302 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:42.519 something with a group. Was that kind of a thing, Dan, 303 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.639 And so, yeah, her mom and again that night. You know, 304 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:48.919 people will ask, what's the thirteen year old girl doing 305 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.360 now with those boys. Well, it was nine o'clock. Her 306 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.600 mom was working when they headed out there. You know, 307 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:56.519 of course, she had a little more liberal freedoms than 308 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.600 some girls her age because her mom was gone working 309 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:01.720 late at night. You know, her brothers were you know, older, 310 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:03.919 and so of course she went off with their boyfriend 311 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:05.519 for a date. That night, they went out to get 312 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.039 you Manitud State Park with a group of friends and 313 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:09.759 they were going to build a fire and hang out. 314 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.599 Two of the boys were aspires. They brought a guitar along. 315 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:15.279 They were going to play and sing and you know, 316 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.160 hang out for a few hours. It was get you 317 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.759 Manitud was a very popular hangout for teenagers. They'd go 318 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:22.200 there and build a fire and hang out. 319 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.920 You know, Now these guys are pretty innocent guys. But 320 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.960 you know, like anybody thirteen, you know, I totally can 321 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:36.680 relate thirteen years old somebody at that point when they're partying. 322 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.759 Is there any alcohol involved, there's any drugs involved? 323 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:43.599 They had no alcohol. Somebody had a marijuana joint. One 324 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:45.759 of the older boys pulled out a marijuana joint and 325 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.200 they had it and they and you know, and Vietnam 326 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:50.519 was still playing itself out at that time, Dan, I 327 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:53.720 can't hardly remember going to a get together party as 328 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:55.960 I was grown up during that area where somebody somewhere 329 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:57.720 didn't have a little marijuana. They were out on a 330 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:59.400 back cack or they were down in a basement. A 331 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:01.839 couple of these old boys did have one did have 332 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.079 some marijuana, and I'm assuming it might be one of 333 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.119 the aspiring musicians, you know. And again you know, they 334 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.680 had a marijuana joint and so but they had no alcohol. 335 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:18.920 Pardon me, now, when they first went to this area, 336 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.759 did they notice anything out of the the usual or 337 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.759 anything unusual? I would say? And did they do anything 338 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:29.599 as a result of what they had seen? 339 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.039 When you come into give the listeners a little visual 340 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.000 and you plenty gets you manitud Park, it was like 341 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:37.759 a dirt road, okay, and it was kind of like 342 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:39.559 grass in the center. It was like the two tire 343 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.680 tire had worn a groove on each side, and you 344 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.160 drove back in. And after you went in about a 345 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:47.519 quarter of a mile, there was an old block camp 346 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:50.160 shelter where you could build a fireplace in there. There 347 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.559 was like a picnic table in there. That's where the 348 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:54.640 kids first stopped. They were going to build a fire there. 349 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.279 When they went over there, they found the fire. There 350 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.599 was still hot coals in the fire, and so they 351 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.000 you know, they just assumed that maybe somebody was just 352 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:05.720 there or going to come back, and so they went 353 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:10.440 down along the river always about another seventy five hundred 354 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:12.799 yards to another little area where there was a the 355 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:14.960 ability to build a fire. So they were down closer 356 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:19.759 to the river, up away from this block camp shelter, 357 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:23.759 and that's an old rustic pink stone camp shelter, kind 358 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.119 of a neat looking thing. And then the big Siou 359 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.279 River kind of winds through there. It's kind of a 360 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:29.960 it's not really a stream, but it's not a real 361 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.480 huge river. It's just kind of a medium sized river. 362 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:35.880 And so a lot of trees are on there, and 363 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:37.680 so that's where they went to build their fire. 364 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:44.680 Okay, they were they had picked up Sandra at about 365 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.079 eight o'clock. She thought they might have picked up earlier. 366 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.920 But they had some side tracks or some detours that 367 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:53.799 the young man was driving said he had had to do. 368 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.839 So they were there. I don't know what time, So 369 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.000 maybe you can tell us around what time this was 370 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:04.240 and what they started to do. What was the They 371 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:06.400 had a couple of guitars. Did they start singing? Drink? 372 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:08.759 Of course, they didn't have any alcohol. Yeah. 373 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:12.880 When they Yeah, they got down, they got to get 374 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.839 you manity. They got down to the campsite shelter. It 375 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.759 was about probably about ten o'clock by the time they 376 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:21.400 gathered their wood, you know, got it set in there, 377 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:23.680 got the fire started. You know, they pulled some logs 378 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:25.680 up around the fire. You know, you can kind of 379 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:29.160 visualize the singer's trees all around out croppings of rocks, 380 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:32.079 and so it's probably about ten o'clock at night, but 381 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:34.359 the fog rolls in and out's starting to get foggy, 382 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:38.160 and and so here they're setting around this glowing campfire. 383 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:41.680 You know, they're talking, they're playing, singing some songs. You know, 384 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.240 and this is when they start hearing some strange sounds, 385 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.240 often in the tree line around them. You know, they're 386 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:50.720 hearing snapping of twigs and like brushing sounds, kind of 387 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:54.079 like a cold against a tree lamb, crumbling of leaves. 388 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.359 And every time the kids would go quiet to listen, 389 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:58.480 and the kind of the the sounds would go quiet started 390 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:00.279 spooking them, is what happened. 391 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:06.720 Right, And as a result, what did they what did 392 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:07.079 they do? 393 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:09.799 Well, you know, they at first they you know, they 394 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:12.079 you know, Sandra was getting a little worried. But then 395 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:13.640 you know, the older boys they said it was probably 396 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:16.359 just raccoons or just again you've got to remember their 397 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:20.279 their teenage kids are out for the Nay, this is 398 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:24.000 the Midwest. It's pretty sheltered, you know. They they get spooked, 399 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:25.640 but yet they blow it off. They think, Okay, it's 400 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.440 a raccoon. One of them jokes and says, maybe it's 401 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:29.640