Speaker 1: Why do UFOs matter to the Christian Church? You spend
a lifetime doing this, Please tell us more about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I would say they matter for this reason.
It's becoming a growing phenomenon that is becoming harder and
harder to deny. You know, I'm in the book. I
give maybe thirty or forty different examples that you know,
from credible eyewitnesses, from credible events, and just to ignore it.
You have a problem. So, as a Christian, I ran
across this problem. I said, well, I don't know if
I have a category for this, how do I How
does this spit into my understanding of the Bible? And
I started doing some research and I ran across this
book called The Truth about UFOs by John Weldon and
John Ackerberg, and is like the lights went on. Of course,
that's the answer right there. As we know that there's
a whole supernatural realm that's existed alongside of us throughout
all of history, and the only type of beings that
the Bible and God has told us about that could
do some of the things that we're seeing are basically
these supernatural beings. And every culture throughout all of history
has every culture, every religion has admitted that we share
this universe with supernatural beings. And it's only in the
twentieth century that basically science became a little bit too
uppity to decide that, well, that's all superstition. We don't
believe that anymore. But anybody who's been around knows there's
all sorts of evidence of supernatural beings that have inhabited
our lives. You know, the simplest ones are like ghosts
and poldergeist. But you go back throughout all of history
and you know ancient Near Eastern, Ancient Egyptian god, the
Arabic Jinn, Greek and Roman gods. Now they probably never
presented themselves the way that mythology has come down to us.
But something started it off. I mean, you know, the
Greeks and Olans weren't stupid. There's something something that was credible,
but yeah, that got them thinking about these things.
Speaker 1: No, it's an amazing story and the relevance of this
couldn't be at a more perfect time because and again
my rant is not as important as what your information
to the audience. And that's why we go ahead and
open the phone lines. We call it a theater of
the mind because obviously we're not watching this in a
video format, which to me gives us more of the
imagination and that theater of the mind. Number for the
Doctor Sky experience one eight eight four to eight, nine
to two two. If you'd like to join, and I
hope you will, ladies and gentlemen. Derek Warfel, author and filmmaker.
This gentleman has a lot of experience with a different twist.
And not to sound like I'm kissing up here, Derek,
this is interesting to me because in my opinion, and
I don't like throwing too many opinions like the guests
to give us more the information, but here it is
to cut to the chase. In my humbled opinion, legacy
and mainstream media is just on this hot torch bed.
You know, it's like hot coals. Everybody's now looking at
this thing is wow. There's an alien invasion maybe imminent.
But the government, in many people's estimation, what is nulling
out this information and little bits, dribbles and dribbles of information,
some of which is good. But I want to take
a different perspective on this, and to some it may
be a little bit challenging. So why is this so relevant?
Tell us this is so important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's relevant, I mean at least for Christians,
because how can I say the messaging that's coming from
encounters with these beings is completely opposite Christianity. I mean,
it's not like it's just sort of like it, it's
completely opposite. They tell us, they tell the people that
have had contact with them that in fact, God did
not create this universe. They essentially were the creators of
us here on planet Earth. They visited Earth, and there
is a very primitive life forms and they see the
DNA here, and so we're there children, not God's children.
I mean, that's the message that they're giving out. And basically,
obviously that's completely opposite Christianity. And they deny that there's
a personal God. They believe there's a God force, but
not a personal God. Well, that undermines all of Christian theology,
because Christian theology says there is a personal God, we
have offended him severely and because of that, there's a
judgment day. Well, if there's no personal God, we haven't
done anything. There's no judgment day. There's no need for
a savior like Jesus Christ. And to them, Jesus Christ
is just an ascended guru and the answer to life
is reincarnation. Well, needless to say that that's almost like
Hinduism or as New Age theology, and that that you
can see is completely opposite. So either they're right or
we're right. And so yeah, that's why it's important. And
I believe there's more and more people well meeting people
who are saying, well, maybe we need to listen to
these beings because look at the crafts that they fly in.
Speaker 1: Well, I know this is very controversial to some and
we're not here. Let me say this. I'm not here
to convince anybody out there that yours is the only
path to this subject matter. But on the same line,
I'm a Christian and I believe very strongly that without
my knowledge, my lack of knowledge in the depth of
what you will bring to the table, I think offers
some very good insight. And to continue on this, what
do space aliens and their followers teach? As you've mentioned
a few of them, there is no personal creator God,
but an impersonal life force ruling the universe, and the
space aliens are the creators. They designed DNA and seated
it on the Earth to evolve. Now, those are some
very controversial things, but it gets into whole Darwinism gets
into all these different very interesting subject So in the
time that we have with you and the callers, you
believe it or not, it looks like we're lighting up
the phone lines as we would expect here with such
a very interesting subject. Again, ladies and gentlemen, taking a
different approach to this. All we continue here is about
these alien spacecraft. Look, I've studied this. You know you
and I have had conversations, right Derek. Look, I've met
and had talks and conversations and actually been part of
doing some deep research the Betty and Barney Hill case.
Betty Hill, I knew her, and I want to sound redundant,
I knew how I'd visit her in somers and look
at her experience that she had. Travis Walton, a good
friend here in Arizona. Stanton Friedman, doctor Stanton Friedman, a
great guy, sadly passed on. But it's so interesting that
we listen. So let me go right to it. Before
we even go to the callers, give us, in your
humble opinion and your fractual information, what is some of
the best evidence that we can say from the Bible
that talks deeply about this connection between other spiritual beings
or whatever supernatural that they might be. What's the best
answer that you could give this audience one of many.
Speaker 2: Well, the Bible does talk about supernatural beings. The Bible
calls them angels. They're also called sons of God or
watchers or you know whatever, and as stars sometimes. And
you know, you look at those beings and you see
how similar these beings that are coming in craft UFO
craft are like the angels described in the Bible. And
the Bible clearly talks about the fact that when God created,
before God created us, he created a whole realm of
supernatural beings to serve him, and he called them angels.
And they're very smart, carry you tell, it's very powerful,
and you know, but at one point in time, one
third of them decided to rebel against their creator, and
they have been at war with God, God, with the
Holy Angels, and with us ever since. And if you
look at this closely, you see that there's that type
of thing that happened throughout all of history, the ancient
Egyptian gods. You look at the ancient Egyptian gods that
fought against Moses and Yahweh or what we believe is
the Judeo Christian God, you know, and in fact, these beings,
it's like literally, if you know, it's the old saying,
if it walks like a duck and it's quacks like
a duck, and it looks like a duck, maybe it's
a duck. And these beings match exactly what a fallen
angel would look like, these angels, these angelic beings. And
so I mean, I spend two whole chapters, one chapter,
just looking at what the Holy Angels look like. And
then you look and you see these quote unquote evil
spirits are very much like the Holy Angels, except that
they try to do things that are not. The Bible
says they come to kill, steal, and destroy, and that
I think it Sherlock Holmes or Arthur Conan Doniol has
said that once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable,
is likely the truth