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Speaker 1: Why do UFOs matter to the Christian Church? You spend

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a lifetime doing this, Please tell us more about this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I would say they matter for this reason.

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It's becoming a growing phenomenon that is becoming harder and

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harder to deny. You know, I'm in the book. I

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give maybe thirty or forty different examples that you know,

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from credible eyewitnesses, from credible events, and just to ignore it.

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You have a problem. So, as a Christian, I ran

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across this problem. I said, well, I don't know if

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I have a category for this, how do I How

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does this spit into my understanding of the Bible? And

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I started doing some research and I ran across this

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book called The Truth about UFOs by John Weldon and

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John Ackerberg, and is like the lights went on. Of course,

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that's the answer right there. As we know that there's

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a whole supernatural realm that's existed alongside of us throughout

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all of history, and the only type of beings that

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the Bible and God has told us about that could

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do some of the things that we're seeing are basically

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these supernatural beings. And every culture throughout all of history

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has every culture, every religion has admitted that we share

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this universe with supernatural beings. And it's only in the

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twentieth century that basically science became a little bit too

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uppity to decide that, well, that's all superstition. We don't

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believe that anymore. But anybody who's been around knows there's

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all sorts of evidence of supernatural beings that have inhabited

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our lives. You know, the simplest ones are like ghosts

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and poldergeist. But you go back throughout all of history

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and you know ancient Near Eastern, Ancient Egyptian god, the

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Arabic Jinn, Greek and Roman gods. Now they probably never

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presented themselves the way that mythology has come down to us.

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But something started it off. I mean, you know, the

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Greeks and Olans weren't stupid. There's something something that was credible,

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but yeah, that got them thinking about these things.

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Speaker 1: No, it's an amazing story and the relevance of this

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couldn't be at a more perfect time because and again

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my rant is not as important as what your information

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to the audience. And that's why we go ahead and

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open the phone lines. We call it a theater of

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the mind because obviously we're not watching this in a

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video format, which to me gives us more of the

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imagination and that theater of the mind. Number for the

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Doctor Sky experience one eight eight four to eight, nine

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to two two. If you'd like to join, and I

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hope you will, ladies and gentlemen. Derek Warfel, author and filmmaker.

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This gentleman has a lot of experience with a different twist.

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And not to sound like I'm kissing up here, Derek,

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this is interesting to me because in my opinion, and

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I don't like throwing too many opinions like the guests

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to give us more the information, but here it is

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to cut to the chase. In my humbled opinion, legacy

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and mainstream media is just on this hot torch bed.

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You know, it's like hot coals. Everybody's now looking at

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this thing is wow. There's an alien invasion maybe imminent.

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But the government, in many people's estimation, what is nulling

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out this information and little bits, dribbles and dribbles of information,

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some of which is good. But I want to take

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a different perspective on this, and to some it may

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be a little bit challenging. So why is this so relevant?

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Tell us this is so important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's relevant, I mean at least for Christians,

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because how can I say the messaging that's coming from

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encounters with these beings is completely opposite Christianity. I mean,

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it's not like it's just sort of like it, it's

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completely opposite. They tell us, they tell the people that

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have had contact with them that in fact, God did

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not create this universe. They essentially were the creators of

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us here on planet Earth. They visited Earth, and there

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is a very primitive life forms and they see the

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DNA here, and so we're there children, not God's children.

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I mean, that's the message that they're giving out. And basically,

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obviously that's completely opposite Christianity. And they deny that there's

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a personal God. They believe there's a God force, but

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not a personal God. Well, that undermines all of Christian theology,

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because Christian theology says there is a personal God, we

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have offended him severely and because of that, there's a

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judgment day. Well, if there's no personal God, we haven't

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done anything. There's no judgment day. There's no need for

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a savior like Jesus Christ. And to them, Jesus Christ

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is just an ascended guru and the answer to life

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is reincarnation. Well, needless to say that that's almost like

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Hinduism or as New Age theology, and that that you

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can see is completely opposite. So either they're right or

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we're right. And so yeah, that's why it's important. And

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I believe there's more and more people well meeting people

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who are saying, well, maybe we need to listen to

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these beings because look at the crafts that they fly in.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know this is very controversial to some and

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we're not here. Let me say this. I'm not here

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to convince anybody out there that yours is the only

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path to this subject matter. But on the same line,

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I'm a Christian and I believe very strongly that without

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my knowledge, my lack of knowledge in the depth of

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what you will bring to the table, I think offers

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some very good insight. And to continue on this, what

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do space aliens and their followers teach? As you've mentioned

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a few of them, there is no personal creator God,

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but an impersonal life force ruling the universe, and the

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space aliens are the creators. They designed DNA and seated

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it on the Earth to evolve. Now, those are some

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very controversial things, but it gets into whole Darwinism gets

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into all these different very interesting subject So in the

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time that we have with you and the callers, you

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believe it or not, it looks like we're lighting up

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the phone lines as we would expect here with such

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a very interesting subject. Again, ladies and gentlemen, taking a

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different approach to this. All we continue here is about

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these alien spacecraft. Look, I've studied this. You know you

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and I have had conversations, right Derek. Look, I've met

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and had talks and conversations and actually been part of

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doing some deep research the Betty and Barney Hill case.

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Betty Hill, I knew her, and I want to sound redundant,

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I knew how I'd visit her in somers and look

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at her experience that she had. Travis Walton, a good

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friend here in Arizona. Stanton Friedman, doctor Stanton Friedman, a

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great guy, sadly passed on. But it's so interesting that

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we listen. So let me go right to it. Before

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we even go to the callers, give us, in your

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humble opinion and your fractual information, what is some of

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the best evidence that we can say from the Bible

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that talks deeply about this connection between other spiritual beings

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or whatever supernatural that they might be. What's the best

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answer that you could give this audience one of many.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Bible does talk about supernatural beings. The Bible

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calls them angels. They're also called sons of God or

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watchers or you know whatever, and as stars sometimes. And

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you know, you look at those beings and you see

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how similar these beings that are coming in craft UFO

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craft are like the angels described in the Bible. And

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the Bible clearly talks about the fact that when God created,

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before God created us, he created a whole realm of

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supernatural beings to serve him, and he called them angels.

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And they're very smart, carry you tell, it's very powerful,

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and you know, but at one point in time, one

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third of them decided to rebel against their creator, and

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they have been at war with God, God, with the

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Holy Angels, and with us ever since. And if you

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look at this closely, you see that there's that type

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of thing that happened throughout all of history, the ancient

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Egyptian gods. You look at the ancient Egyptian gods that

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fought against Moses and Yahweh or what we believe is

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the Judeo Christian God, you know, and in fact, these beings,

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it's like literally, if you know, it's the old saying,

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if it walks like a duck and it's quacks like

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a duck, and it looks like a duck, maybe it's

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a duck. And these beings match exactly what a fallen

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angel would look like, these angels, these angelic beings. And

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so I mean, I spend two whole chapters, one chapter,

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just looking at what the Holy Angels look like. And

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then you look and you see these quote unquote evil

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spirits are very much like the Holy Angels, except that

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they try to do things that are not. The Bible

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says they come to kill, steal, and destroy, and that

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I think it Sherlock Holmes or Arthur Conan Doniol has

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said that once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable,

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is likely the truth