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Speaker 1: Hi u er hello, when good morning you too.

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Speaker 2: It looks like you're playing the drum for you're at

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this jockey. I can't tell him that picture. We're seeing

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a guy with headphones on, but I'll touch them.

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Speaker 1: I am a radio personality. We don't plays as a

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friend once told me recently says, you don't play discs

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anymore our computer.

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Speaker 2: It's true. I'm aging myself. I was a disc jackie.

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How I work my way through college.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about your multiple books and everything that you

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do in in igniting a child's imagination.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we've got lots of books, and right

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now the new books coming out are a new early

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reader chapter book series called Stinky's Stories, and I think

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that's really going to encourage kids to start reading. Definitely.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun and it's very silly, and

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we're hoping that kids don't just learn to read, but they.

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Speaker 2: Love to reading and they have fun reading, because I

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think that's the whole at this particular, just for kids

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kindergarten through second third grade, and that's when you're just

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sort of learning to read, and if it's more fun,

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then you don't want to do it a little more often.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I have neighbors that have got children that

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are perfect for this journey with your writing. And it's

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so fun to watch them, you know, as they get

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into the story and they explain it. They'll read a

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page and then they come back and explain it what

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just happened.

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Speaker 2: And they pick up on the characters. And there's a

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lot of funny voices in this book, So I think

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they'll have fun doing that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the people reading too, the children will also

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really enjoy it. There's so many funny characters and fun

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voices to play with, and then the kids will probably

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want to do it the second time around, do it themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We've done a lot of books. I've done I

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think seventy six books have been published, but these are

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the first ones for this early reader's group. And that's

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kind of fun because that sort of paves the way

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for all the other books. They're not going to want

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to read the rest of my collection if they don't

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have fun reading, So this will make reading a lot

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of fun.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think though, that as we try to get

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more children to read, we should also teach them how

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to write. That's always been one of my things with teachers.

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Is that okay, now you go write your story. Go

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get let me see what you're thinking about.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the great things about Stinky stories,

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as they're constructed around the kids don't like the way

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a story like Jack and the Beanstock or The Boy

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Cried Wolf ends, and they say, well, and Stinky advises

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them all would just use your imagination, we can come

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up with a new ending. So I think this will

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encourage kids to start making up stories of their own

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and going and it's sort of a shaggy dog story,

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weaves all over the place, sort of improvisational spirit to

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it all, and I think kids will see how much

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fun it is making up a story as well as

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reading one.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like a child still when you're writing.

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Speaker 3: At you? Well, I'll tell you he's a twelve year

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old or an eight year old in the best sense

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of the word. He really is. I mean he lives

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in that mindset because he spends so much time with kids.

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He does a lot of school visits, and it's just

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a lot of fun. I tell you, it's a fun

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way to live.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, never try to lose a childish delight

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with everything.

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Speaker 1: Was this the style of books that you grew up reading.

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Then did you get it from like the weekly Reader

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like we did used to do in elementary school?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think more I grew up we had c

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Dig Run, Run, Dig Run, and we did have the

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Weekly Reader. But my love of reading and storytelling came

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more from watching Rocky and Bullinko, particularly the fractured fairy tales.

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I always loved the fractured fairy tales where they took

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an existing story and they sort of turned it out

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at the air. And that's kind of what we've done

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with stinky stories. So I guess I've come full circle

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to child I was when I was in second grade.

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Speaker 1: Now, JJ, were you in Radio two? Because you've got

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a fantastic voice.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 3: I actually started in musical theater and then I started

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doing voiceovers, but never radio, I mean radio commercials.

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Speaker 2: And what was really fun as we got to do

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the stinky story audio books.

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Speaker 1: You did, Yes, you did?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: It was really fun.

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Speaker 2: She did most of the heavy lifting. I just did

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the goofy voices.

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Speaker 3: All the little guest stars that always steal the shows.

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Speaker 1: So do you get to sit down and watch the

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reactions of kids because the words that you have on

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the page are just so powerful and so entertaining.

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Speaker 2: From time to time I do a lot of in

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person's school visits or getting ready to hit the road

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again as the school year starts, and there you get

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to see the kids laugh because that is as you know,

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as a radio personality, you probably say something funny on

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the air and three days later people go, hey, that

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was funny. I remember when I was doing it working

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my way through college. Oh you were funny on Saturday,

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they would tell you. On Tuesday, here Wednesday, So yeah,

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you too missed that immediate reaction, which is why we

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love going to the schools. And sometimes we'll go to

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bookstores and do events and get to meet the kids.

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And one of my favorite pictures I haven't behind me

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on the wall here a photographer took this school visit

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every single teach, your parent, adult, and the whole auditorium

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is laughing.

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Speaker 1: So developing your characters, especially with the stinky stories, I mean,

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how do you It's got to be a collaboration between

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the two of you and designing each one so perfectly.

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Speaker 2: It sure is. We started out you had stinky first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we love to. We're very silly around our house,

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so we make up voices for everything, like the chairs.

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Speaker 2: Like oh I have a broken leg, I'm so sad.

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Speaker 3: So we always have like silly things going on around

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our house and silly voices. And I grew up with

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millions of stuffed animals and I love them. And Stinky

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is a stuffy in the library. He lives in the library,

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And so we started talking about when I was a

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child and I had all these stuffed animals and coming

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up with voices, and I had stories for them. And

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Chris when he goes to speak with kids, he's in

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the library a lot, and he's seeing all these stuffed animals.

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Speaker 2: A story, well, in my school visit, I usually improvise

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a story with the kids because I spent a lot

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of time doing in front of comedy and I would

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always make up a story about the stuffed animals what

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they do at night when the kids aren't in the library.

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So that led to it. And then like any story,

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you know, you're right, you got Stinky, who's your main character. Well,

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we need someone to encourage him. So as Wag's the dog,

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that's great and then there's also there's always a naysayer,

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and that's mister Stuffington who's like, oh, the story is over,

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we can't take it any further.

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Speaker 3: Then that's Jerry. The draft was very confused.

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Speaker 2: What's going in here?

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Speaker 3: She doesn't know what's happening.

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Speaker 2: And then you have the kids and so yeah, you've

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always when you're writing a story, you want to make

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sure everybody is in it. There for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Wow, if you could see the studio, I still have

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my childhood toy. It was a plastic elephant that did

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acrobats and it's with me every single day.

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Speaker 2: That's great, that's great. I've got some of my childhood

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toys around in here too.

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what's great about life, and that's why you

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shouldn't throw everything away all the time.

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Speaker 2: Agreed.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think that with the books that you have,

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books as well as regular adult novels, and they always

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talk about those first books such as this one for

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you guys, for young for kids basically that they always

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go back to that moment, that book, and that's the

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reason why they write today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people, particularly my other books are

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more for eight to twelve, and that ten year old

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slot is where a lot of people's writing and love

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of books get started. I unfortunately, was in school when

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we had something called SRA, which was kyl color coded essays.

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store had a comic book rack and on that comic

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book rack where there's a copy of Mad Magazine. And

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I started reading Mad Magazine when I was like nine

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years old, and bought my own subscription when I was dead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as Chris always says, the more something spun, the

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more it gets done. So we're hoping that kids laugh

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and laugh and laugh and love these books and it

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makes them want to read more books. When I was younger,

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a library and was very smart and picked up on

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the fact that I loved cats, and so at a

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very young age, she handed me this book and said, here,

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I think you're going to like this, and it was

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all about cats.

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Speaker 2: Well that was it.

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Speaker 3: I started reading everything I could get about cats, and

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it taught me how to read.

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Speaker 1: From one writer to another writer And those that are

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listening that do write, but they hide everything that they

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write underneath their bed. So what is your writing discipline.

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Are you a morning person? Are you guys do it

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Speaker 2: I'm a mourning person, mostly because I spent almost twenty

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years writing radio and television commercials at a big ad agency,

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and the only time you could ever get to write

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the account executives had woken up, and they started calling up,

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and you wanted to have meetings and tell you about

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this problem and that problem. So to get that creativies,

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the morning. When you're writing, it's kind of like you're

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dreaming while you're half awake, and in the morning, my brain,

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my subconscious is still able to talk to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just the opposite from the musical theater background.

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My job would start at eight pm, so I'm up

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on a night owl. And that's when I get creative,

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is at night. So sometimes we have to meet in

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the middle of the day and exchange notes.

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Speaker 2: Why it's like about four o'clock, I'm done.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody is blessed with such a relationship as you, guys,

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Because I mean I I my wife, We've been married

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for thirty two years, but it took me many years

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in order to get to that relationship where she understands

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my weirdness and creativity.

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Speaker 2: Well we got we started going pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we both lene, we were pretty weird and.

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Speaker 2: We've got twenty four years together. Wow. Well I college

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Speaker 1: See, that would be a fun little project for the

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two of you to write a kid's book for adults

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who are married. How do we get up to twenty

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three twenty four years?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a fun idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the secrets, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Especially with all of your characters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's funny.

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Speaker 2: I like that whittle your marriage more people.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that what you are doing is bringing

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you know, we're going to go back to the early

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in book form as well as podcasting form with story telling.

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Speaker 2: I think so yeah, with stinky stories, especially since it's

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about is an audiobook a book?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: In fact, audio books and storytelling on podcasts and radio

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the old campfire when you had a saber tooth tiger

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story to tell everybody and somehow you escape death that tape.

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So I think it gets back to humans love stories.

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were created as a tool as a way to deal

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with fear and that sort of thing, and so, yeah,

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I guess we're keeping that traditional line.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I just realized the picture you guys were talking about,

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because it's right here on the screen with where you're

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wondering if it was a disc jockey. That's actually me

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in nineteen seventy seven in my bedroom.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you started early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right over yeah, right over my shoulder is a poster

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of evilk and Eevil and Peter Frampi Come Alive.

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Speaker 2: I saw Peter Frffan because I was a just jockey

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nineteen seventy five to seventy seven and I played that

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Peter frampin Comes Alive.

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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you,

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guys and become a part of your journey because I'm

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so inspired by you.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first place to go is that Chris Grappenstein

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dot com. How do you spell that? Grabbing stein? G R.

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Diaz and boy E N S T E I M

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dot com and there you'll see links to stinky stories

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and some background information. We're going to put up a

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little behind the scenes video of us doing the audio

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book together, so that will be fun. And then from

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there there's links where.

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Speaker 1: You can go to wherever you want to buy your

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bucks with as much as you're attached to social media

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and reaching out to people, are going to see this

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in action form? In other words, are we going to

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see animation?

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Speaker 2: Uh, that's never up to us. Hopefully some producer somewhere

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in Hollywood will come across the book. I had one

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of my books, Escape from Mister Lemontell's Library, was turned

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into a movie on Nickelodeon. And that's how that journey starts.

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As some producers seas it on a bookshelf, reads it,

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their kids love it, and then they took five six

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years for that movie to go from I like this

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book to it actually being on Nickelodeon. So, Hollywood, well,

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if you Chris Grap's.

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Speaker 1: Dyne, if you ever make it to Charlotte to a bookstore,

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we've got to get together for some Southern coffee and

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just get together and just have a face to face.

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Speaker 2: That would be great. I grew up in Tennessee, so

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I know North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Yes you do. Will you guys be brilliant today? Okay

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you too. You can get away with saying that, can't you.

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Speaker 2: These are stinky good books, I guys,