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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious podcast. We have talked about Batman eighty nine.

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We have talked about The Dark Night. We have talked

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about some of the other stories. But my question is

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where is the Batman.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to see that movie in theaters. It's

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coming out very soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, teaser now. We will be coming to you

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next week. Barring the end of civilization by Bain and

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his Army Legion, we will be here telling you about

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the Batman.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait. It's gonna be amazing. Okay, d you

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look fine.

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Speaker 2: I didn't ask. That was pretty good for you. I

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was like, okay, good job.

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Speaker 3: We are not home watching our tights. We are talking

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about Batman eighty nine and The Dark Night. We're gonna

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finish up today with part three and then have our

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supplemental some point after this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's jump in now.

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Speaker 3: I want to kick off a little bit, if you

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don't mind, with a lot of interesting things happening behind

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the scenes here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm at your feet, ready to listen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, one of the cool things about Batman eighty nine.

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Let's just start with Batman eighty nine. Okay, when the

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trailer for Batman eighty nine hit theaters.

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Speaker 2: I have given a name to my pain.

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Speaker 4: What are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm Batman.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the few trailers where people would pay

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good money to sit in a crappy movie.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have reclining seats back then, and.

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Speaker 3: They would sit and watch the trailer for Batman, get

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totally jazzed, and they'd be like, that's it, I'm out

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of here.

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Speaker 2: I don't have time for crap after this. There's something

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about seeing that in the theater, right, and you get

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your best previews in the theater.

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Speaker 3: You're exactly right. I'm a huge believer in experience on

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the big screen, and there was something amazing about seeing

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that logo splashed across the screen.

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Speaker 2: And Jack Nicholson's painted face at the very end, coming

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out of the darkness, and the way till they get

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a load of me.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that very beginning shot of the introduction

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of Jack Nicholson's Joker, when he says Jack is dead

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my friend yea, but you can call me Joker. It's chilling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I can remember seeing Batman eighty nine in

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the theater in California, in the same theater that what

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seven years earlier, I had snuck into and watched National Lampoon, Vacation,

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Risky Business, and Trading Places. I had gone back to

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California years later, stayed with my aunt, stayed with my cousins.

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That summer, we went and watched UHF and Batman.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about a bit. The summer of

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eighty nine is one of the great movie summers of

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all time. You had Batman, you had Leath the Weapon two,

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James Bond and Indiana Jones. You had the return of

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the Ghostbusters, you had a Roadhouse, you had Honeye Shrunk

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the Kids just week after week, great movie, fun movie

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after fun movie. So that was an amazing summer. So

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one of the interesting things about the batsuit that Michael

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Keaton had to.

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Speaker 2: Wear yep, that fit.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't hear and he couldn't hear Jack.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And when I say Jack, he couldn't hear Jack

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Nichols right. He also couldn't turn his head right. That's

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been a problem with the batsuit for a long time.

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The cowl just you can't turn your head or you're

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twisting that cap Pall where that happened, even with Adam West,

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even when it was just you know, like a cloth cowls.

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It's always been a problem, I think until The Dark

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Knight Rises. I think with The Dark Knight Rises, they

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did some sort of disconnect with a mask and the

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neck piece so that he could finally move his head around.

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Speaker 3: They actually talk about it, and Christian Bale's character Bruce

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Wayne says, hey, can you make the neck move? And

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he's like, you want to be able to turn your neck?

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And he's like, well it'd sure be a lot easier

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back in the car out of the driveway, right, Yeah,

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that's right. They address that in the movie. Yeah again,

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Christopher Nolan plausibility, Okay, love it. So Michael Keaton couldn't hear,

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couldn't turn his head, and so if you watch the movie,

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he's real stiff. Every time he looks up at the helicopter,

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he does what they call the heroes lean, right.

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Speaker 2: He turns with his shoulders hold back in the crane up.

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Speaker 3: Michael Keaton also came up with the low, gravelly voice

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that Batman speaks.

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Speaker 2: In, and Christian Bale obviously intensified. Right, I mean, if

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anything to poke fun of on the Dark Knight and

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that Batman trilogy. There is pants. Yeah it is. It

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is a bit extreme, but hey, it goes back to

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that you don't want to be identified as, you know,

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an eccentric playboy billionaire when you're the Batman. So not

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only do you cover your face, you also disguise your voice.

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Speaker 3: Right, another tidbit, When Timberton saw the Batmobile for the

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first time, yeah, he was blown away. He thought, man,

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this is really cool.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: But he's like, that's awesome. Where's the door? And they're like,

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somen of them. They forgot to include the doors and

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the Batmobile.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's where the top comes up and off.

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Speaker 3: That's right, That's why they had to address that. So

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they had to slide up.

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Speaker 2: I thought it all this time. I thought it was

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like an airplane deal, like that's because that's how you

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get into as fighter jet.

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Speaker 3: No, they realized they did not put freaking doorcross the door.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: All right, do you remember the contest where you could

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win the Batmobile? I want to talk about that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So in nineteen eighty nine, this kid

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named Patrick McGlenn, who is a college student.

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Speaker 2: Steal a Batmobile. Watch MTV all day this Sunday for

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the MTV bat signal, then called the special nine hundred

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number on your screen. One of you was going to

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walk away on winter.

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Speaker 3: He won the actual Batmobile. I remember Robert wool actually

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came on and he was the one who pitched it.

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Speaker 2: They took out the engine, I remember he's talking about that,

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but the jet engine in the back or yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. When he won it, he actually signed a

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contract that prevented him from profiting off its exhibition. So

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he went to one museum and they somebody stole the

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shift lever. The car was also taxable, so he had all.

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Speaker 2: This you're telling me that the Batmobile was a manual transmission, Yes, exactly.

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Can you imagine grinding the gears?

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Speaker 3: So anyway, after all of this, he couldn't really make

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any money off of it, and he had to insure it,

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and so we had all this IRS problems and insurance problems,

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and so he had to sell it at a basically

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a loss. So it's nothing but a pain in the butt.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. One of the scenes that.

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Speaker 3: Was cut that I wanted to talk about at the

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very end of the movie. During the parade. The joker

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is like.

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Speaker 2: Who do you trust? Right? Right, I'm giving away free money.

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Speaker 3: Well, the money that he is giving he mentions earlier

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in the movie, Vicky Ville says, what is it that

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you want? He's like my face on the one dollar bill? Right,

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the money that he is giving away at the parade

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was counterfeit and it had jokers face on it. Nice,

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Nice saw a big trick. We mentioned that Peter Goober

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and John Peters and Tim Burton went to see The

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Fan of the Opera right right before they were getting

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ready to shoot the bell towers at Bell Tower.

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Speaker 2: See, there's this awesome scene in the movie where the

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crowd is chasing him and he holds up this hand

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like he's got a grenade or dynamite or something that

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he's about to throw at him, and the crowd like

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pulls back in total fear, and he opens his hand

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and there's nothing in it and it just it's all

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laugh moment right before they murder him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, so they went to see this play and

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they realized this is our act.

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Speaker 2: Three, this is what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 3: Right, And once again we talked about how this movie

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developed for ten years and they still have had Act

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three nailed down. In fact, when they were filming it,

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Jack Nicholson's like, now where am I going? Like, what's

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going on here?

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Speaker 2: What's my motivation?

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Speaker 3: Where am I doting?

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Speaker 2: Ninety million dollars? Jack, ninety million dollars your motivation?

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Speaker 3: And they were like, just go, we'll figure it out later.

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It's insane to me that this was not nailed down.

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And then also Kim Basinger, who is sleeping with John

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Peters right and what I presume is pillow talk, was like,

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you know, Vicky Vale rually needs to be there too, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Vicky Vale needs to be there as well, right, And

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it really doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: Why is she limp dancing?

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Speaker 2: Right? We're definitely going to talk about the problems that

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we can see as you know, full minded adults. Now,

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as a kid, I was just I was in for

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the right. It's like, it's like the end of Jaws,

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the tank blowing up is absurd. But if you've bought

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in for the first two acts, you don't care anymore.

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Just you know, show me what happens, and a fight

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in a big old bell tower. Is that's something I

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want to watch?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: I went for it, right, I definitely went for in

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eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: So let's real quick, while you're in the midst of this,

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let's talk about the difference in style that Batman eighty

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the fact that The Dark Knight is based in realism, right,

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and we have real cities, realistic landscapes, and Tim Burton's

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Batman is not that at all. It is definitely different

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than anything before it, and anything non Tim Burton after

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it is so unique. But I think it is a

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throwback to the German expressionist styles that were going on

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in the Silent movies, you know, before him and all

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of that came out, some of that Fritz Lang stuff

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of sets that were not realistic but engaging. You know.

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It's an amazing look that this movie has, even though

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it's not any city anybody's ever really been.

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Speaker 3: To, right well, and they did that on purpose. They

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wanted it to feel noir. But you have I mean,

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you have cars and sort of modern vehicles. You have

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the bat wing, right, is.

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Speaker 2: That a normal vehicle?

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Speaker 3: IM absolutely, people flying all the time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but they wanted it to be usually when the

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Speaker 3: We're going to get the problems here in a second.

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But yeah, so they wanted it to be out of time,

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you know. And and I think that's one of the

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reasons why it does stand up is it's timeless.

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Speaker 2: It is timeless.

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Speaker 3: One of the tidbits I want to talk to you

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about now is Jack Nicholson had specific requirements for his

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filming day. Okay, so number one, you want to have

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approven on all the latex makeup, joker stuff.

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Speaker 2: Crap, crap, crap.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he actually said that he is allergic to the

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stuff that they apply the latex to, so that do

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something creative with that. He also had a very strict

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scheduling policy that he got to watch all the Laker games.

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Speaker 2: And we know what a big Laker fan was, Yeah,

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and I guess, I mean he had to watch him

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on TV. He's usually court sided if he can be,

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Speaker 3: Had to work around a Lakers schedule, yes, right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: It is a bit much. It's it's a bit munch.

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Speaker 3: It's every time you turn around she sees the Joker,

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we heard it.

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Speaker 3: We heard it again and again.

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Speaker 2: See Okay.

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in our one of our very first episodes when we

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the Future, and we talked about the fact that the

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government man in Raiders of the Lost Arc had also

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been in Star Wars, and I was like, Wow, this

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guy has been in like two of the biggest blockbusters

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of all time. And at that moment you said, well

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three if you include Batman, and I was like, oh

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my gosh, he is the detective.

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Speaker 3: How about this guy's career. Huh, yeah, he plays Porkins.

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Speaker 2: Porkins and Star.

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Speaker 3: Wars unfortunate name for him.

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Speaker 2: Sure, he was a heavier guy, so he.

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Speaker 3: Flew one of the X Wings and was killed in

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the Battle of the Death Star.

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Raiders came around. Yeah, and then he gained it all back.

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Speaker 3: He was one of the top Men government Agent guys

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and Raiders Luster top Men. He was also with Flash Gordon,

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he was Munson.

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Speaker 2: That's right, he was an assistant. They got smashed. Yes,

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I forgot all about that. That is right.

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Speaker 3: He's also in Superman four.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, which, guys, I forgot about that, But we

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are going to be talking about that this summer. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 3: So our buddy William Hookins.

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Speaker 2: Get it up. Yeah, from down in Texas, but moved

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over to England and became an actor out there.

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Speaker 3: Interestingly, Wow, good for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's some Hollywood dirt for you that I thought

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was really interesting. Okay, So there was this love triangle

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going on okay on set Batman Okay, okay, Yeah, we

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talked about how Michael Keaton was dating Michelle Pfeiffer at

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the time, right, But you know, you can be with

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the one you love, or you can love the one

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you're with right.

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Speaker 2: So we still doesn't that.

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Speaker 3: So Michael Keaton started to pursue kimbasing her huh, And

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there was a bit of a power struggle over Kimbasinger's affections. Sure,

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she ended up landing in John Peters bed. We talked

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about that, right, Okay, that made Michael Keaton mad because

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I mean, of course he's Batman. Yeah, but John Peters

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is the producer, right, Okay, right now. Then it doesn't

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stop there though.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: She ended up in a whirlwind fanatical romance with the

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Purple One himself. Prince Stop the Princes. The song bat

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Dance apparently gets her rolling. She moved to Minneapolis to

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be with it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what wait a minute, she's on the rise to

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start them. She's just done the biggest blockbuster ever in history,

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and she moved away from Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: She moves to Minneapolis to freaking Pisley Park.

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Speaker 2: Paisley Park.

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Speaker 3: She moves to Paisley Park. Her family gets so concerned

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that she's joined a colt. They show up, Purple that's it,

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that's it, So Princess whisked her away. They show up

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when they know he's not there to rescue her from

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the Purple one himself.

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Speaker 2: Did they rescue her?

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Speaker 3: I guess so, because she married married Alec Baldwin one

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year later.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's crazy to me who is also in the

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running to be Batman? I think you mentioned that's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: One of the things I want to discuss one more time.

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And we talked about this, I think in episode one,

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the amount of money that Jack Nicholson.

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Speaker 2: Made ninety million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Ninety million dollars, so he got six million dollars from

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the movie, and he got a cut of the profits,

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and he got a cut of the.

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Speaker 2: Toy action merchandising. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't just for Batman, it was for Batman,

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Batman Returns and Batman Forever. Do you remember the McDonald's

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Batman Returns glasses?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I do. Did you have the whole set?

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Speaker 3: I think so. I don't have it anymore. But the

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lid to those glasses was a bat disc, a glow

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in the dark bad disc.

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Speaker 2: The lid to the number that remember that, I do. Wow,

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that's awesome, by the way, thirty years ago this year, right, yes,

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n ninety two. Yeah, because I told you I watched

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The Birdman before and it talks about the fact that

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the last movie he did, he didn't do Birdman for

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the last time he was the Birdman was in nineteen

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ninety two, which is the last time he was the

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Batman too.

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Speaker 3: I did like how those lined up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Until this year. And if you haven't seen the preview

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for the Flash, you need to go watch it, and

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you need to listen to who's talking. It's exciting.

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Speaker 3: We're going to compare the Batman here in just a second. Yeah, okay,

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a couple more tidbits for you before we move on.

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The original line where the guy's.

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Speaker 2: Like, who are you?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he says I'm Batman.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: The script line was apparently originally I'm Batman m efor.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I was like, who is he going to say?

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He is? I want Samuel L. Jackson apparently.

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Speaker 3: And last night here Christopher Nolan was a fan of

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Batman eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: That's because he was born in nineteen seventy man. He

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grew up with it, just like we did. Good for him.

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This is and that's the great thing about him. He

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is a guy who loves artistic, beautiful films, but he

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also is a guy who loves action packed thrillers. He

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grew up with Back to the Future, he grew up

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with Raiders of the Lost Art, he grew up with Batman,

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which is how he takes an action movie and turns

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it into a film. We need to talk about that.

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Speaker 3: Let's go and dive into that right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So whenever they came to him, they start talking

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to him. Michael Uslan, who we've talked about, is the guy, right,

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He's that guy who's taught the college course. He's the

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guy who started Batfilms, inc. He's the guy who's been

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a producer on every single one of these. He says,

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at that moment, he realized that Batman could be more

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than a movie. It could be a film, and it

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was Yeah, Batman begins a film, The Dark Knight a film,

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The Dark Knight rises, still a film, just a film

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that also is filled with action and adventure. I like

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how I mean.

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Speaker 3: I've seen interviews with Christopher Nolan. He's talking about how

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important the Spielberg and Lucas Zamecha is back in the Future,

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all of those movies. He talks about how they had

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such high quality and that's what he wanted to make.

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All Right, I've got a few tidbits from the Dark

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Knight I want.

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Speaker 2: To bring up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yep, let's talk about Heath Ledger's voice for

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a second. Okay, we talked about how Heath Ledger is Australian.

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There's no hint of an accent, and he's got that

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low kind of it's really odd voice, yeah, disturbing right right.

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You know what else he did the prosthetic Glasgow smile. Yes,

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would cause him to kind of lick his lips a

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little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if it would break easily, and so he had

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to lick his lips to keep it from coming off,

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which then became a character trait of the Joker.

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Speaker 3: It's really cool, yeah, and it fits his whole absolutely.

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It's just really neat.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. I'll throw something in here, okay, okay.

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Speaker 3: The bat cycle, that pod, the one that jets out

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of the Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that again was a product of Nathan Crowley,

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the guy who had thrown together the Humvey and the

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seventies Lamborghini. Uh huh. He did that, but he built

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six of them because they're going to crash.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we talked about this or not,

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but Aaron Eckart based his performance on Bobby Kennedy. Harvey

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Dent is supposed to be more or less Bobby Kennedy, Okay,

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very much in the law, very much the American.

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Speaker 2: Hero refusing to be corrupted.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's exactly right. Yeah, I thought that was really cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The skyhook that they used to extract the guy in

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Hong Kong and Batman, yeah, is an actual thing.

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Speaker 2: That was a military technology that they decided not to

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really use.

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Speaker 3: They do use it at the end of Thunderball in

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James Bond. Oh nice, if you'll flash back to our

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James Bond Thunderball and never say Never again Octopus to

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the episode.

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Speaker 2: As I understand if the film scenes that they shot

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in Hong Kong were more difficult than they anticipated. Basically,

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they said it was an absolute nightmare to try to

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deal with the government there because they thought there would

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be too much noise. They put all kinds of restrictions

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on them. They even asked the residents one night, hey,

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will you just leave your lights on tonight? It'll create

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a better picture on the film. And they were like,

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now you're causing us to waste energy, okay, And so

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they had to see gi some stuff that they wouldn't

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have normally done. But like that dive that he does,

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the bat dive and when he's in Hong Kong, that

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one had to be CGID because they just couldn't. They

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wouldn't let them have the helicopters over because it would

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create too much noise.

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Speaker 3: People were up.

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Speaker 2: Tied over there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I want to talk to you about. Have

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you ever been to Turkey, the country Turkey?

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Speaker 2: I have not.

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Speaker 3: There's a city over there called Buttman Okay, not Buttman, Buttman,

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but it's it's yes, yes, And they sued Warner Brothers yep,

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because they were like, that's.

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Speaker 2: The name of our city. You can't use that copyright.

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Come on, yeah, they yeah, they not only sue them,

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they like they blamed this increase in suicide rates and

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crime on the movie and the fact that the movie

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used the name of the city. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, here's something I want to point out. Keith

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Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix both won Oscars for performing the same.

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Speaker 2: Character, right joker.

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Speaker 3: Yes, can you name the other time in history that happened?

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Speaker 2: Two people one an oscar for playing the same character. Gosh,

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I feel like I should know this, but I don't

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give it to me.

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Speaker 3: It is Marlon Brando and Robert de Niro playing Fido Corleone.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, how was it as a bit of a cheat?

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There's no reboot. There was no reboot there that was okay.

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But that's that's that's good. I go, all right, good, Well,

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you are.

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Speaker 3: Going to be covering The Godfather versus Godfather Too versus Goodfellas, right,

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which I think is perfect.

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Speaker 2: Once again, we have this divine thing watching out for

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us and how we do these episodes. The next three

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movies that we're going to cover are The Godfather, Happy

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fiftieth Anniversary, The Godfather Too, and Goodfellas. But as it

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turns out, Batman when he began was at the time

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of organized crime also rising to power, and so a

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lot of the guys that Batman fought were these mobsters. Gangsters, yeah, mafia, right,

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That's who Batman was fighting in the early comic books.

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And looking at the Batman, I think they're going to

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throw back to that. Oswald Copperpot has a definite gangster

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feel about him, and it really looks like a story

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about the corruption of government, which you see all over

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the place in the Godfather, the corruption of government officials

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by organized crime.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Batman versus Michael Corleone discuss musk yourselves, all right,

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So a couple other tidbits I don't want to forget. Yeah,

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there is actually very little blood in.

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Speaker 2: The Dark Night, right, you get one.

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Speaker 3: I think Commissioner Gordon get shot in the back when

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00:23:01,519 --> 00:23:02,720
he saves the Mayor's life.

473
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: I don't think you see any blood there, but yes,

474
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,759
I think there's a squib squib one sip one squib predator.

475
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,559
Speaker 3: Not not predator, that's right. So yeah, very little blood.

476
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,680
But it's still a very tense movie. Yeah, and violent

477
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,200
at times. Right we saw, you know, the pencil and

478
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,000
the eyeball trick da No blood, no blood, but still

479
00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:23,640
very disturbing.

480
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,559
Speaker 2: It's intense. You can you can create the empathetic feeling

481
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,000
of pain without having to use blood. For sure.

482
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 3: When Christian Bale and Heath Ledger were together in that

483
00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,480
interrogation scene, yeah, Heath Ledger is like, I really want

484
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:37,039
you to hit me.

485
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: Uh huh, I want you to hit me as hard

486
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,440
as you can. Ah, you hit me in the ear.

487
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,359
So I would seriously question the wisdom in asking Christian

488
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,759
Bale to hit you as hard as he can, because

489
00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:53,720
number one, we know how much muscle he put on

490
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:57,400
for this movie. But number two, he also trained in

491
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,519
the Kisi fighting method to perform all of the stunts.

492
00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:03,440
So he's not only big and strong, he's a be

493
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:06,000
a fighter now because of his training. But it does

494
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:07,640
look like it hurts when he slams his head into

495
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:13,759
the table. Some get all fuzzy killing you. What would

496
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:19,519
I do without you? You complete me? So good man,

497
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:23,160
it's spot off. And that's another thing, another thing just

498
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,000
about movies. A great movie has a villain that is

499
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,079
one that with just a little bit of twisting, the

500
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,640
hero could become the villain, just like Raiders of the

501
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,559
Lost Stark, with a little push, you two could step

502
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:38,559
into the dark. Right now, you're getting nasty. But as

503
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,279
it turns out, that becomes a trope that everybody uses.

504
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:44,640
So you you're just a reflection of me, is just

505
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,359
a thing that you hear all the time. But to

506
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,519
say to take a line from Jerry Maguire of all

507
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:54,359
places and say you complete me as a way to

508
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,440
say the same thing, was a stroke of brilliance.

509
00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to talk about the boats with the

510
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,759
you know, regular people going to work and the boat

511
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:08,000
with the prisoners. And that's the final test of Gotham City. Right,

512
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,680
both boats are rigged to explode, and all they have

513
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:14,200
to do is push the switch, right, and ultimately the

514
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,039
people of Gotham defeat the Joker themselves because nobody pushes

515
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,200
the button. Now, then, Christopher Nolan has said that whoever

516
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:25,279
pushed the button would have actually detonated their own boat.

517
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:28,319
Of course, because the joker, it's the joker, right, that's

518
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,880
what he does, right, He's a two faced if you will.

519
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:36,000
But I thought that was interesting because I was one

520
00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:38,680
of those people that was like, I don't know, how

521
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,319
do I feel about this? When I push the button?

522
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 2: Everybody did. Everybody in that scene asked themselves the question

523
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:45,240
and answered it what would I do in the situation?

524
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 3: By the way, Michael Keaton huge fan of The Dark Knight.

525
00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Now I heard Jack Nicholson talk about it,

526
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:52,200
and he was not a huge fan.

527
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:53,839
Speaker 3: Oh really what he's saying, Well.

528
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: He said that he didn't think that they got it right.

529
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,000
He was like Tim Burton had the right idea, But

530
00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:02,400
he also sounded like a guy whose financial welfare was

531
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,000
tied to the original movies.

532
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 3: He's a little bit married to Tim Burton.

533
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's talk about the scores, the soundtracks, the

534
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:15,200
amazing bands and artists of the eighties who are involved

535
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,119
in both of these movies. Okay, So first, obviously we

536
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,440
have Batman eighty nine, we have a young film composer,

537
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,640
and we have prints two different people. Yeah right, yep.

538
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:31,559
Now that young film composer, his name has become prominent

539
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,559
since then. Oh yeah, And at the time, he was

540
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:38,359
just coming into film production out of a band that

541
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,000
you might have heard of called Oingo Boingo. Yeah, he

542
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:44,759
had started off with his brother. They did weird, avant

543
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,960
garde stuff. They The rule of that his brother made,

544
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,640
and this was back when it was called the Mystic

545
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,480
Knights of the Oingo Boingo was we are not going

546
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:55,799
to play anything contemporary. They did not play rock and roll,

547
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,240
they did not play disco. They were playing like circus

548
00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:01,680
music and stuff from the forties and fifties. Right.

549
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 5: It's weird, it's really weird.

550
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: I really enjoy it, but it is not something that

551
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,559
you're going to rock your head to. It's just kind

552
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:27,359
of fun, goofy music, which I say, Danny elfman, you think. Okay, yeah,

553
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,519
he was big adventure right, it's fun kind of circus

554
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,039
like music. So he has this band and his brother

555
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:38,359
decides to leave. He becomes the lead member of the band.

556
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,759
He gets he said, they had so much stuff that

557
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:42,920
it required a semitruck just to move all of their

558
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,920
stuff because it was this big, you know, theater like production.

559
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,680
So he whittled down their stuff, and he whittled down

560
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,759
the band, and it just became Oingo Boingo and they

561
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:57,519
started having music in quite a few different movies. Okay,

562
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,960
so starting in nineteen eighty, who had left the band

563
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:07,200
did this really really weird and very inappropriate movie called

564
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,640
Forbidden Zone, and so he had a hand in the

565
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,279
music for that. But then Oingo Boingo had songs in

566
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:18,400
Chips Chips, this TV series, Yes, the Last American Virgin,

567
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:22,799
Fast Times at Ridgemont High, sixteen Candles, Bachelor Party, Beverly

568
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,599
Hills Cop and the one that we all know and

569
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,519
you mentioned back to School earlier. But before that, he

570
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,680
had weird science.

571
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: From my heart and from my hand.

572
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 4: Why don't people understand my intentions?

573
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: Title? Right? John Hughes said, Hey, I'm doing this movie

574
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:43,200
love for you to do a song for what's it

575
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,000
called Weird Science. He wrote the lyrics on the way home,

576
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,000
had the melody by the time he got home to

577
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:49,359
make that song.

578
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,279
Speaker 3: That's fantastic.

579
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: Yes, so Texas Chainsaw Masker two by the way, and

580
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,519
something Wild, which we've mentioned a few times, Summer School,

581
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:00,440
which you love. I did, and then he it's asked

582
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,599
to compose with Tim Burton in his movies, and so

583
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,599
we get Peevey's Big Adventure, fantastic movie, fantastic score, but

584
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:13,279
it's comedy, right, it's goofy beetlejuice, very wacky, fantastic score,

585
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,160
but again dark comedy. Right, that's it. Right now, we're

586
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,359
going to give you a superhero movie based on a

587
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,839
character who's been around at that point for fifty years.

588
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:26,680
That's a big that's a big as. It's just a

589
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,119
big ask. Right. Do you think he delivered?

590
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

591
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: I think he delivered. What do you think of this

592
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,000
sound dragon?

593
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,599
Speaker 3: Well, so I know that when he sat down with

594
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,640
John Peters, Danny Elfman really didn't know how to do

595
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,960
this where he present to the producer and so they're

596
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,240
sitting there and Danny Elfman's like, well, here's what I

597
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,079
think about when they're having to shootout you and he's

598
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,279
playing this, He's like, well, here's what I think about

599
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:48,880
when the joker walks out of the room, and Tim

600
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Burn's like, play the march. Play the march. Yeah.

601
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: John Peters is not thinking he's going to make it.

602
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: Not impressed at all now, So he plays the wonderful,

603
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:04,319
full on Batman theme, and John Peters is life, that's it.

604
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:05,759
Speaker 2: You nailed it.

605
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: I'm fully on board. Once he heard the Batman march, yeah,

606
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,200
he was like, let's do this.

607
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:24,319
Speaker 2: You're hired. Okay. So his the Batman theme by Danny

608
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:29,680
Elfman is really just five notes. It's five notes, okay.

609
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:39,119
It is B C sharp d g F sharp, and

610
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,519
you get that over and over from different instruments, in

611
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:47,480
different speeds, in different styles, but you get that theme

612
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,119
all over the place. And then a lot of times

613
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,960
he goes and he goes in to reach kind of

614
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,119
a period point. He'll end it with this C sharp

615
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,640
major chord and it's it kind of puts an exclamation

616
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,920
point at the end of that theme that you've had

617
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,079
over and over again. But there is a definite Batman

618
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,680
theme that means just those five notes. But it's something

619
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,960
that he took and molded in so many different ways

620
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,839
that it played perfectly no matter whether the Batman was

621
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:21,119
in a huge fight with the Joker or he's retrospective

622
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:25,000
about his life as the Batman and his relationship with

623
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:29,039
Vicky Vale. It was all those same five notes in

624
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:29,720
different ways.

625
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:31,119
Speaker 3: You ready to talk about Prince?

626
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh? I got a live one here, Oh.

627
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: I got a live one here.

628
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: Stop the presence.

629
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,359
Speaker 3: This town needs an anemo. Let's talk about Prince for

630
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:50,839
a second.

631
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: Okay.

632
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,759
Speaker 3: So Warner Brothers went to John Peters and said, listen,

633
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:56,799
there's a lot of money in music right now. We

634
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,799
need some contemporary music to go along with this soundtrack.

635
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,680
John Peters is like, okay. They talked about Michael Jackson,

636
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:05,799
they talked about George Michael, they kicked it around. Well

637
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:06,559
who they settle on?

638
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:07,119
Speaker 2: Prince?

639
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,119
Speaker 3: Sure. So Tim Burton's like, I don't really think we

640
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:15,559
need Prince. He's like, no, you don't understand. We're having Prince.

641
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: This is not an ask, this is a tell.

642
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:20,119
Speaker 3: I'm telling you Prince is going to be produced some

643
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:20,960
songs for the movie.

644
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

645
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: So Tim Burton was not a fan, but Prince delivered,

646
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,480
mostly for The Joker. You have the Party Man song

647
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,519
that he plays at the museum where Joker is, you know,

648
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,319
messing up all the art and painting stuff, which Jack

649
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,880
Nicholson's a big art fan. He felt kind of uncomfortable

650
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,480
with that scene.

651
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: Right.

652
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:41,759
Speaker 3: And then Prince actually produced the song Trust that Joker

653
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:43,359
plays during the parade.

654
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,559
Speaker 2: Right, which we mentioned they had a song from Purple

655
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,759
Rain in that spot.

656
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Baby I'm a Star exactly.

657
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: And if you listen to those two songs next to

658
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:55,279
each other, you go, oh, yeah, well it's the same rhythm.

659
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:59,400
It's the exact same rhythm. They sound very similar even, huh.

660
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,559
Speaker 3: That summer we had the number one song bat Dance,

661
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,440
which is maybe the most ludicrous number one song of

662
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,279
all time. But I was swept.

663
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: Away in it.

664
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,279
Speaker 3: Of course, they don't play it in the movie at all.

665
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: No, it's not in the movie. They actually take the

666
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,759
movie and play it in the song. It's all these

667
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,920
clips and sound fights and quotes from Vicky Vale's scream

668
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:23,279
even shows up in the song. And then you've got

669
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:27,319
the video where he's dressed up as both the Joker

670
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,640
and Batman, as though he is two face. Now, that

671
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,839
was a brilliant.

672
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,839
Speaker 3: Decision, was That probably is what sealed the deal with

673
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:36,519
Kim Basinger.

674
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:40,519
Speaker 2: That song is both ways.

675
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: That song is so ridiculous. But I had the KA single.

676
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: I had the KA single, You had the K single.

677
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: Yes awesome. I'm just gonna throw this out there. One

678
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,079
more song on that soundtrack that I really like is

679
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,759
called the Arms of Oryan. It's a very soft song,

680
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:01,000
but it's him and Sheena Easton flashback to our Sign

681
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000
of the Times episode where they sang you got.

682
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:03,839
Speaker 2: To look together. Yep.

683
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,599
Speaker 3: But I think that that's the best song on the soundtrack.

684
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:12,199
Speaker 2: To get the little all the world, I've listened to

685
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,159
that soundtrack, I really enjoyed it. It's a great if

686
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,920
your Prince fan, it is a great bunch of songs.

687
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,480
But you're right, they only really used to ish maybe

688
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,719
three songs in the whole movie of off of that soundtrack.

689
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,320
He just kind of made the He took a couple

690
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,119
of songs and made an album out of the rest

691
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,199
of it. Right. But as it turned out, everybody who

692
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,679
were very familiar with Prince knew he was doing the soundtrack,

693
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,719
and they thought he had composed all of the score

694
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,199
as well, and so then they started doing news stories

695
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,320
where they're interviewing Danny Elfman and he's like, yet, that's me,

696
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,480
that's not Prince. And they told me that Prince was

697
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:53,920
going to be involved and do songs, which I don't

698
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,519
have any problem with that. I'm excited. I love Prince's music.

699
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:59,599
But when he starts getting credit for my music, then

700
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,599
I that's where I kind of draw the line. I'm

701
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:02,679
not really comfortable with that.

702
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: One more thing about Prince's music.

703
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a.

704
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,599
Speaker 3: Song on that soundtrack called Scandalous. They have an extended

705
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:13,800
version of Scandalous where Kim Basinger and Prince can be

706
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:20,840
heard tristing in the studio, tristing, tristing, tristing.

707
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: Is that what Axel roast?

708
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what is a trist Yes, when Axel

709
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,840
rose nail dead girl in the studio in Rock and Queen, you.

710
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,079
Speaker 2: Have the same thing. Oh my gosh. Yes, Okay, So

711
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,440
where can you hear? This scandalous version of scandalis on

712
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,480
the internet and Kim Basinger is singing on she's rapping,

713
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,000
She's rapping, She's rapping. Kim Basinger is rapping. Yeah, this

714
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:51,760
is something I get it, all right, So shall we

715
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,840
move on to the Dark Knight. Yes, okay, so I

716
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,840
said three artists and bands of the eighties. We've mentioned Prince,

717
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,079
We've mentioned Olingo Boingo, and you know who. The third

718
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,599
artist that we of the eighties that we should bring

719
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,719
up is the Buggles. The Buggles, yes, video killed the

720
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,400
Radio Star. And why is that involved in what we're

721
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,800
talking about? Because Hans Zimmer used to be a member

722
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,039
of the Bugle. He played the keyboards for the Buggles. Yes,

723
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,000
I'm not sure if you can see him in the

724
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:23,000
video or not, but yes, he was a member of

725
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:27,719
the Buggles. So both the composer for Batman eight nine

726
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,320
and the composer for the Dark Knight trilogy came from

727
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,320
bands at the eighties.

728
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: That's unbelievable.

729
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,159
Speaker 2: So Hans Zimmer, I mean, he's one of the most

730
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:44,800
prolific composers in existence. I mean it's he's probably number two,

731
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,360
right under John Williams. Right. I mean, you can you

732
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,760
can throw some other names around that are close, but

733
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,719
I don't think that anybody has had his hands on

734
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,599
as much stuff in the last twenty years as Hans

735
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:58,320
Zimmer has. Starting with Gladdie, I mean he did plenty

736
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,159
before that, but there, I mean movie.

737
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: The Gladiator soundtrack is phenomenal.

738
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: It is, it's fantastic, and I love Hans Zimmer's music,

739
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:14,079
but it is not anything not anything like Danny Alfhon's music,

740
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,800
right you you literally this is I know this is

741
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,639
gonna sound crazy. There's basically a two note theme for

742
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,960
Batman in The Dark Night. You hear it twice in

743
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,239
the whole movie. Okay, for the I mean twice at

744
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,280
the end of the movie, like when they roll the credits,

745
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,960
you'll hear it again. But as the action goes on

746
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,519
in the movie, you only hear the Batman theme twice.

747
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:41,000
The rest of it is all orchestration with and I'm

748
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,719
gonna throw a you know, the soundtrack an ostinato, which

749
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,480
is a repeating phrase, and that's what Hans Zimmer is

750
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:53,639
an expert at is this repeating, repeating phrase and still

751
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,599
just a couple of notes, just a couple of notes.

752
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:01,239
But the other composer on this movie is a guy

753
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,719
named James Newton Howard, who is also hugely prolific. Okay,

754
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,760
so James Newton Howard also has a huge prolific history.

755
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,360
He has done basically all of The m Night Sheymalan movies,

756
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,280
did the sixth sense signs all of those. He did Unbreakable,

757
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:23,880
he did Batman Begins, he did King Kong, he did

758
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,039
Freedom Land. He's a very prolific composer as well. And

759
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:30,840
he and Hans Zimmer worked together on the score for

760
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,840
the Dark Knight trilogy, right, And they had initially composed

761
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,800
a very intricate and multi note theme for Batman and

762
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,440
for the Dark Knight, but they decided to scrap it.

763
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,639
They decided to take it away and make it a

764
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,599
two note project. And if you listen to what James

765
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:53,800
Newton Howard does and what Hans Zimmer does, you can

766
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,119
tell that Hans Zimmer is really kind of the driving

767
00:38:56,159 --> 00:39:00,320
force behind most of the music in this movie. But

768
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,199
they divided up work as you do, right, and so

769
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,039
a couple of other ways that you can tell the

770
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:07,800
difference on the way that they write. As you listen

771
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,960
to the two different songs, Hans Zimmer said, Hey, I'll

772
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,320
handle the Joker's music. Why don't you handle Harvey dent

773
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,760
Slash Two Faces music? Right, Let's start with the Joker.

774
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,519
His theme is the beginning theme, which is why so serious?

775
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: Why so serious?

776
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: So let's listen to that. This is the beginning of

777
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,760
the movie, and you can hear that beginning sound where

778
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,119
it's I mean, it reminds me of Pink Floyd and

779
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,519
the Hey you kind of the worms in your brain.

780
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:39,880
I think it's like a razor blade on some strings

781
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,559
and a kind of rising. We talked about how Christopher

782
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:44,960
Nolan likes to do that Shepherd tone where it just

783
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:48,199
continues to rise and rise and build that tension, and

784
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,920
that's what he's doing with this, and then there's the

785
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:54,719
Joker has this definite Hans Zimmer style on all of

786
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,960
his music, right, yeah, okay, So now, in.

787
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,599
Speaker 3: Fact, I think even Christopher Nolan said the theme, the

788
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:05,159
one word theme for The Dark Knight Rises is escalation.

789
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you can hear how James Howard Newton

790
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,440
has a completely different style than Hans Zimmer has. James

791
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,159
Howard Newton is more of that neoclassical stuff we loved

792
00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:21,159
from the eighties, like John Williams is, whereas Hans Zimmer

793
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:25,360
definitely has his own style. He does that Austinato repeating

794
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:29,800
phrase that just builds and builds, Whereas James Newton Howard's

795
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,960
style is more pretty, more like we expect in a

796
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:36,519
standard score from the twentieth century. Yeah.

797
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's some of the best composers working in the

798
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:40,320
business today.

799
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

800
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:45,079
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk Batman eighty nine problems first.

801
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:47,519
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I've.

802
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,519
Speaker 3: Got a few that I want to discuss. I'm glad

803
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:51,440
to get these off my chest. I've been dealing with

804
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,119
these for thirty some odd years.

805
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:53,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

806
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: Okay, So I love Batman eighty nine. I don't want

807
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,360
to get into my judgment just yet, but let's talk

808
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,119
about these problems.

809
00:40:59,119 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: Okay.

810
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: So number one, Alfred betrays Bruce Wayne by letting his

811
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,920
girlfriend in the batcave.

812
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, his whole emotional struggle that we are

813
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,320
hoping to have him solve is whether to tell her

814
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,960
that he's Batman or not. And Alfred comes along and

815
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,840
completely lets the air out of his tanks. I mean, what,

816
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,519
what what?

817
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,559
Speaker 3: Alfred likes her more than Bruce does. Bruce is ready

818
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:31,840
to just let her go and ghost her, but freaking

819
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:36,679
Alfred lets her in. Okay, major problem with that problem. Okay,

820
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,000
I have another problem. The scene where the joker attacks

821
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,119
the mobster on the steps of the courthouse and he

822
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:47,599
kills him with the quill the pen is truly mightier

823
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:48,119
than the soul.

824
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: Yes, the quill. Hey Vinnie, it's your uncle Bingo. Once again,

825
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,960
Jack Nicholschusson can take an absolutely ridiculous line and make

826
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:56,519
it awesome.

827
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: His his makeup is weird, weird and yeah, crazy, that's

828
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:02,760
slight problem.

829
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, but here's the thing.

830
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 3: So Bruce Wayne is watching all these minds commit murder

831
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,119
right on the steps to the courthouse. Right, Bruce Wayne

832
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,199
gets shot in the shoulder. What he gets shot? He

833
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,840
gets shot in that seat, Yes, he absolutely does. And

834
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,360
in fact, you can see his jacket. There's like a

835
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,800
bullet hole in the side of his arm.

836
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,559
Speaker 2: He's unfazed. Yes, he's unfazed. He's all from Beverly Hill's

837
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:25,079
cor exactly, exactly. Okay, I'm good.

838
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: Axel fully takes a thirty eight to the shoulder and

839
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,599
it's like ouch, yeah, that's it. Bruce Wayne doesn't even

840
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:34,760
give that like he he acts like he doesn't even

841
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,719
feel it. And then later Alfred is going through his

842
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,000
clothing and sticks his finger through the bullet hole in

843
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:45,360
his coat and it's like interesting, weird, and that's it.

844
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,239
Bruce Wayne is human being. Yeah, he's not a superhero.

845
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,440
That's what makes Batman.

846
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: So cool, right, that's weird. Okay, yeah, problem one, problem one,

847
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,039
problem too.

848
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: Problem to the problem that the Joker also imposes on

849
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,239
Batman and also Gotham City is that he's released this

850
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,599
chemical that causes people to die laughing and have these

851
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,320
weird stretch he smiles on their faces.

852
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,199
Speaker 2: Whatever. Yeah, bat Man just shows.

853
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: Up and like like literally two minutes later, he's like,

854
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:13,960
here's the combination solved it.

855
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,119
Speaker 2: Like, like, I get he's a detective, but let's see

856
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:19,159
a little let's show your work please. Okay, how did

857
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:21,119
you solve this problem? I figured it out.

858
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: It's detergent and dealerate.

859
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:26,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a combination of all these various things.

860
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:28,000
And it only took me five minutes to figure out.

861
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,559
I'm surprised that all of the scientists couldn't figure it

862
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:31,079
out already.

863
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,559
Speaker 3: It figures it out like five It is ridiculous. Okay.

864
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:38,079
Speaker 2: It's like it is like Lex Luthor figuring out where

865
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:42,280
the Kryptonite is in Superman, Like he pulls out it Encyclopedia.

866
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:44,519
Here's a meteor, let's go get it.

867
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,039
Speaker 3: Problem three the bat Wing in Act three.

868
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,199
Speaker 2: I love the bat Wing.

869
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,559
Speaker 3: The bat Wing is awesome, and it does do that

870
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,480
majestic thing up against the moon, which is super cool.

871
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:57,199
Speaker 2: I think the audience cheered when that happened. It's really cool.

872
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the bat Wing comes down and is going

873
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,360
to take out the Joker.

874
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, is gonna is gonna The sites are

875
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,079
locked in, and if there's anything we learned from the

876
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,920
movie Top Gun, it's when you've got a gridlock, that

877
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,320
person is dead meat on the gridlock. I'll got a

878
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,880
joke for you, ready, Yeah, Okay, Why couldn't Batman kill

879
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,719
the Joker with the bat Wing? Why because he didn't

880
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,599
use the force.

881
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,119
Speaker 3: He should have turned off his targeting computer.

882
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: He should have.

883
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: Okay, he had him in the sights and he fires

884
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,679
missiles and machine guns.

885
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: And Jack Joker just stands there facing him, balls out.

886
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,480
I'm not scared, and he has no reason to be

887
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,239
because he can't hit the broadside of a barn. Totally

888
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,360
misses everything. And then Jack pulls out this ridiculous circus gun.

889
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,360
I really expected it to shoot out the bang that

890
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,760
comes a little bit later in the movie, but it's absurd.

891
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,199
It's ten feet long, one shot and he takes down

892
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,639
the Okay, wait, a minute.

893
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 3: Now, is it more absurd that he took down the

894
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,800
bat Wing with one shot or the fact that he

895
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,599
can dance to Prince songs with a four foot gun

896
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:09,400
in his pants.

897
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:10,559
Speaker 2: A gun in your pants?

898
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,159
Speaker 3: So one shot takes down the bat wing?

899
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: Uh huh, come on, that's stupid.

900
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: We saw the batmobile take multiple bullets and yeah, no

901
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,960
problems at all, exactly. So then the bat wing crashes

902
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:29,239
and crashes into the church, right, which is the biggest

903
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,480
church I've ever seen in my life.

904
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:33,079
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and so crashes into the church. And so

905
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:35,760
what's the joker solution. Let's go to the top of

906
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,440
the church, because why not? Because why what? What?

907
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's where the helicopter guys are, that's where the

908
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:48,119
ninjas are hiding. That hasn't even He's got men at

909
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:51,519
the top of the cathedral for some reason.

910
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 2: And then Vicky Vale. Can we talk about Vicky Vale

911
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,119
and what's going on here? Sure, sure, she is kidnapped,

912
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:00,320
she is taken against her will, and yet some she

913
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,280
is leading the way, unsurely leading the way. She's she's

914
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,519
the one that's in front and looking behind in a

915
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,199
what's going on manner, but still moving up the stairs

916
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,239
to the top of the bell tower. Bruce Wayne Batman,

917
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,920
who survives a gun shot without even being phased, is

918
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:24,239
a stuporing, drunk mess. After the Batwing crash, he nudges

919
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:27,440
a pew and they all come a tum tum, tumbling

920
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,920
down like a bunch of dominoes. My kids are like,

921
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:33,519
wait a minute, is this Batman? What's going on? What

922
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:36,880
is he doing? It's ridiculous. Yeah, So he clues in

923
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,880
the Joker that he has lived and that he is

924
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,440
on his way up to catch him. So that the

925
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:45,480
Joker can walk, He TALKI the Ninja and the gigantic

926
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,079
bodyguard to do his fighting for him. That's right.

927
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 3: So once they get to the top of the cathedral,

928
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,159
Mickey Vail is going to Raggedy Ann dance with him

929
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,599
for some unknown reason.

930
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: It's limp noodle, what what's going on? It is just

931
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,000
plain absurd.

932
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,079
Speaker 3: Well, you know, she does the exact same thing and

933
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:06,239
Tom Petty's Mary Jay's last dance, right, So apparently Tom

934
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,320
Petty liked it so and then the distraction tactics.

935
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so she sees the she sees Batman, and

936
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,280
she thinks, oh, okay, I know what to do at

937
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,000
this point. I've been in this situation before.

938
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: If there's one thing I know that men get distracted by,

939
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,480
she's gonna she's gonna go say hi to mister little Jobs.

940
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,559
Speaker 2: No matter where they're actors or producers.

941
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: And Jack Nicholson's face is priceless in that moment.

942
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, surprise and pleasure.

943
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I was expecting this at this moment, but I'm

944
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,199
gonna go ahead and go with it. The helicopter guys

945
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:42,559
can wait a few minutes.

946
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: Excuse me, have you ever danced with the devil in

947
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,519
the Pale moonlight? Okay? So yes, all of that. That

948
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,360
whole Act three is a bit absurd, and we we

949
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,000
still have the problem of Batman's killing people. He kills

950
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:58,639
the ninja, he kills the big bodyguard, and he just

951
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,159
flat out says to the joker, I'm gonna kill you.

952
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to kill you. Yeah, yeah, you idiot, you

953
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:08,000
made me remember. Yeah, that seems cool.

954
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: The writing is a bit forced, but again, nineteen eighty nine,

955
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,559
I was all in. It's like jobs, you know, if

956
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:18,000
you bought in for the first two acts. In Act three,

957
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:21,519
it doesn't matter how ridiculous he gets. I'm all in.

958
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,239
My kids weren't. My kids were a little wiser. They're

959
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,719
twenty first century kids. You're like, I'm not buying this. Okay,

960
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,199
what's going on here?

961
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 3: Well, when he hits the pavement, he cracks the asphalt.

962
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:34,559
That would not happen.

963
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:38,559
Speaker 2: Let's talk about I mean, number one batman kills him, right,

964
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,760
I mean, no, he didn't shoot him in the head,

965
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,039
but he's the one that shot the grappling hook around

966
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,199
his ankle and then shot the other one around the

967
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,239
gargoyle that apparently the super glue didn't take on and

968
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:52,320
take the gargoyle immediately comes off. This thing that's so

969
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:56,559
incredibly heavy just kind of easily pops off because it's

970
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,840
hooked onto the joker's ankle, and then he shoots. That

971
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,599
scene is a bit terrifying to see him shoot down.

972
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:06,840
But then as he's down there and the laugh box

973
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,320
is going off and all of the concrete is cracked,

974
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,440
my ten year old daughter goes says to me, would

975
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:16,079
he really have cracked the concrete like that? And I'm like, no,

976
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,679
it would not. Well why do they do that? Well,

977
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,280
because they probably would have had rather had cracked concrete

978
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,320
than cracked joker. You would have been joker goo all

979
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,679
over the street in reality. But this isn't reality, honey,

980
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,480
this is This is a comic book movie. But it

981
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:33,079
is an awesome comic book movie.

982
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,079
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the problems with the Dark Knight.

983
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 2: What the problem? There are no problems with The Dark Knight.

984
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: Hear me out on this. Okay, we already discussed. Both

985
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,480
you and I agree that this is one of the

986
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,039
best movies of the twenty first century.

987
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:47,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the best movies of all time.

988
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 3: And it may be a near perfect movie.

989
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,679
Speaker 2: It is h Yeah, it is entire I would put

990
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:54,199
it in the top ten movies of all time.

991
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't want to bag on this movie because

992
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:01,360
I appreciate the character development. I appreciate going for story

993
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,840
rather than selling toys. I don't want to take anything

994
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,880
away from The Dark Knight. Yeah, there are a couple

995
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,000
of problems. Okay, here's my biggest problem. Okay, Okay, when

996
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:15,000
Harvey Dent gets his face melted off, Yeah, and he

997
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,480
turns to talk to Gordon and Gordon sees the half

998
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:22,639
of his face, Yep, that's cgi does not look good.

999
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,519
Speaker 2: Okay, So we know that Christopher Nolan wanted to go

1000
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,159
reality reality as much as reality could bear a comic

1001
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:33,639
book movie. That's the way he wanted to go. And

1002
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,119
they had several masks. I mean, problem number one is

1003
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:39,760
with a burned face, the idea is you have to

1004
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,039
remove face, and that's real hard to do on a

1005
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,559
real human being. So they did masks to try to

1006
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:48,480
do it. You can't build up, but they tried to anyway,

1007
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:52,079
and they made them very realistic. And the problem was

1008
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,840
it was so realistic it took you out, like you

1009
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,159
were unsettled. I mean, it's like gory, nasty stuff, and

1010
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:00,960
so you were taking out. And so this is the

1011
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,760
one time that he was like, maybe we should make

1012
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,079
this less realistic so that people can still live through

1013
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:07,519
the movie.

1014
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I just didn't think. You know, throughout the entire movie,

1015
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,719
they do all these practical effects and everything looks fantastic,

1016
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,159
and then they have one shot it's like Princess Leah's

1017
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:20,440
face at the end of Rogue one. You're like, eh, yeah,

1018
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:23,039
that's not rh not quite there, all right. And my

1019
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,360
other problem I told you that I think that it

1020
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,320
would have been really cool if they'd figured it out

1021
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,480
a way for two face to arise at the end

1022
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:33,480
of that movie, rip his bandages off, and ah, I'm

1023
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:36,559
two Face and he's the bad guy for part three, right,

1024
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,360
and now it has screwed the whole plot of the

1025
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:38,719
movie up.

1026
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:39,199
Speaker 2: And I get that.

1027
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: I just think that would have been a really cool moment,

1028
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:43,599
much like the end of Batman Begins, where we had

1029
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,000
that little teaser about the Joker.

1030
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, it could have been. It could have been

1031
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,400
a cool ending. And honestly, the first two acts in

1032
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,480
the length of the movie, it was strong enough to

1033
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,039
end it with him just being the Two Face. But

1034
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,719
like with the first movie, they didn't know whether there

1035
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,480
was going to be a second movie. Even with the

1036
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:01,599
third movie, they didn't know whether there was going to

1037
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,400
be a fourth movie. What they would do is try

1038
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,760
to write the movie as a standalone movie. And so

1039
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,599
if you limit yourself to, well, we can't go into

1040
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:11,679
two Face and what he does because we're saving that

1041
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,119
for the next movie, then you've unnecessarily limited yourself. And

1042
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:19,480
so that's why he's the driving force behind Act three.

1043
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,880
Which if there's a problem with the movie, it's that

1044
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:27,119
Act three doesn't finish as strong as Act one and

1045
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:29,840
two build it up to be. Yeah, that's that's the

1046
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,280
only but it's still a good I mean if you

1047
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,360
took if you took it as a standalone and didn't

1048
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,079
even include Act one and X two, it's great. I mean,

1049
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,000
the whole flipping of the coin and two face and

1050
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:43,679
the conversion of the White Knight into the Dark Knight,

1051
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,039
because that's really what the title is about. It's not

1052
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:50,440
just a reference to Batman. It's a reference to the

1053
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,599
takedown of the near perfect character of Harvey Dent. So

1054
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:59,239
that standing alone is great, but it's preceded by so

1055
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:05,039
much incredible Joker and Batman action that it's it's hard

1056
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:05,559
to live up.

1057
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. Okay, we've done with problems. Yeah, can't

1058
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,559
think of anything else. No, nothing other than the fact

1059
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:13,920
that the Joker in nineteen eighty nine had time to

1060
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,320
get all of his cars panted purple and get all

1061
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,760
the jackets, you know, with the Joker label on it

1062
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,400
and stuff like that.

1063
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, guys, we're going to take a quick break

1064
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,440
and do our surely showcase. We have a special guest

1065
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:28,719
going to tell us their opinion on who the best

1066
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:29,599
Batman is.

1067
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is our good friend, Tristan Martin. Tristan's been

1068
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:34,039
with us since day one. One of my best friends

1069
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,199
in the entire world, and somebody I can bounce ideas

1070
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:38,599
off of. We appreciate him. Here's what Tristan had to

1071
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:41,039
say about who the best Batman was.

1072
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 4: Hey, this is Shirley Fan Tristan Martin. I've been listening

1073
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:48,280
since day one and I've even re listened. Love what

1074
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,760
you guys do. And uh, Jason, you have asked me

1075
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,280
to talk about Batman. So in my first thirty minutes,

1076
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,320
I'll say just kidding now, I will try to limit

1077
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,159
it to my favorite Batman man, and I'm gonna skip

1078
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:05,719
Adam Wesk. I'm gonna skip George Clooney thought Affleck was okay.

1079
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,840
What's hard for me is saying who is number one.

1080
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:12,800
I would put Christian Bale at number three. I think

1081
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,960
he did a great job in those movies. And I

1082
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,800
would say that The Dark Knight is definitely my favorite

1083
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,519
Batman movie because it is the best Batman movie. It's hard,

1084
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:27,199
but Keaton is gonna be my second choice. That nostalgia

1085
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,960
factor is there. Also. I just think Keaton can really

1086
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:33,320
play anything. I mean, he's great as a villain, he's

1087
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,400
great as a good guy. Spider Man, Birdman, whatever it is,

1088
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,800
Keaton is awesome, And again, he was my Batman growing up.

1089
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,239
I did have the Batman command Sitter, I had the

1090
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,239
Michael Keaton toy, all of that stuff, and I still

1091
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,639
love Keaton. I loved the eighty nine Batman comic book

1092
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:51,159
series that they're they're putting out right now. But as

1093
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:56,239
far as the best Batman to me, the longest running

1094
00:54:56,599 --> 00:55:01,000
quality performance, it's got to be Kevin Conroy. Kevin Conroy

1095
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,119
was the Batman the animated series star. His Bruce was great,

1096
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,000
and his Batman was great too. And the reason that

1097
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:12,280
I put him above Bail is because Bail added in

1098
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,639
and I don't know if this was Nolan's idea or

1099
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:18,760
what making Batman have the scary voice ar Batman Row,

1100
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,840
which I get because you want to distinguish Batman from

1101
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,400
Bruce Wayne. But I feel like like Kevin Conroy's Bruce

1102
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,400
Wayne and Batman were still a bit different, and Batman

1103
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:33,800
still seemed like a detective. He wasn't just a brawny

1104
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,000
guy almost like the crime fighting comes second to him

1105
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:39,440
figuring things out, and that's why he can play with

1106
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,840
the Riddler and all these other super intelligent people because

1107
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,159
he's a detective, and I feel like Kevin Conroy really

1108
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:49,800
filled that role. Well, I think I've gone over time,

1109
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,400
so I apologize. Guys. You do a great job. Love it,

1110
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,679
love Batman, so keep on keeping on.

1111
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:57,599
Speaker 6: Okay, So that's a good one. Like we didn't approach

1112
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:00,960
the animated series, we didn't talk cartoons. There have obviously

1113
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,679
been a ton of actors who have contributed their voice

1114
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:08,239
to Batman. But that's I mean, valid conclusion.

1115
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,559
Speaker 3: Valid conclusion, man, I mean Covin strong with the Kevin Conroy.

1116
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 6: That's really cool, and it is detective comics after all.

1117
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,920
Appreciate that the detective opinion.

1118
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:18,519
Speaker 3: Tristan's a big comic book fan and so he knows

1119
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,239
these stories. Well, Tristan, thanks so much, buddy, appreciate you.

1120
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:24,920
He has been just a valuable person to bounce ideas

1121
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,599
off of and get feedback from. Tristan.

1122
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 6: Thanks buddy, Thanks Tristan.

1123
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,679
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to comparisons. Are we ready to dive in?

1124
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go. Let's let's let's do judgment. You know

1125
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,480
what to change things up, Let's do judgment this time.

1126
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,400
Let's judge Batman to Batman, Joker to Joker. Uh, Batmobile

1127
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,920
to Batmobile. Let's let's do that, and then finish off

1128
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:44,719
with movie to movie.

1129
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,639
Speaker 3: All right, let's do it. Okay, go batmobile to Batmobile

1130
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:52,440
nineteen eighty nine's top sliding off to the Tumblr?

1131
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:57,519
Speaker 2: What do you think I on this particular scenario have

1132
00:56:57,639 --> 00:56:59,840
to go with nostalgia. I can remember in the theater

1133
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,119
seeing the Batmobile come out in eighty nine, and you know,

1134
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:08,599
the only Batmobile experience I had that point was watching

1135
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:10,840
the old reruns of the Adam West stuff where they're

1136
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,599
in basically the nineteen sixties convertible car. And to see

1137
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:21,440
that thing, that big, long, glorious bat looking, bulletproof, amazing

1138
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,400
armed car come out, I was like, I want that.

1139
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:27,559
I want that car. Why don't they make cars like that?

1140
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:30,280
I think it was fantastic. The tumblr is cool, There's

1141
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,880
no question the tumblr is cool and more realistic. But

1142
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:36,480
for me, I got to say, Batmobile eighty nine, Okay,

1143
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,960
in this case, you're way off base because the tumbler

1144
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:40,119
is way cooler.

1145
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,559
Speaker 3: You have the tires and the just the attack vehicle

1146
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:48,280
look of it. I also love the fact that the

1147
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,719
motorcycle can break out of the tumbler.

1148
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: It's so awesome.

1149
00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: This case, I'm going all the way in Tumblr over

1150
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:57,239
the old one.

1151
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,719
Speaker 2: Okay, And just to throw back to problem with the movie,

1152
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,000
the one problem I did have with The Dark Knight

1153
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,480
is the tumbler going from rooftop to rooftop when it

1154
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:09,039
hits the church. I'm like, no way that one sink

1155
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:11,199
into the bottom of the church like a stone. There's

1156
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:15,960
no way it's gonna hold up on those shingles. But anyway, yeah, okay,

1157
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,280
so you're picking Tumblr. I got Tumblr, all right. So

1158
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:20,960
Batman and Batman go Batman and Batman. Okay.

1159
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:24,679
Speaker 3: Michael Keaton versus Christian Bale, Yeah, what do you call?

1160
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,000
It's Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton doesn't necessarily look the part,

1161
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:31,920
but he's got so much charisma. He's such a likable guy.

1162
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,480
As Batman, he can play the dark. He's just a

1163
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,719
lot more fun. I'm going Michael Keaton all the way again.

1164
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,199
Speaker 2: I gotta go with you on this one. This is

1165
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,599
nostalgia again. It's I like in Superman, I picked Man

1166
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:47,719
of Steel over Superman one and two. Love them all,

1167
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,039
but Christopher Reeves is always going to be Superman to me,

1168
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,320
And in the same vein, Michael Keaton is always going

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to be Bruce Wayne. To me, Christian Bale looks more

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like a superhero. He's tall, he's fit, he's muscular, I mean,

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he's he a good jaw line. I mean, he's got

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it all. But nostalgia again wins out in this scenario.

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Michael Keaton gave us a portrayal that was memorable. He

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could go a little bit crazy and we could see it.

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Bruce Wayne was troubled and brooding and basically kind of

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the same as Batman. Whereas Christian Bale played the you

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know where, he was playing a part as Bruce Wayne.

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The real guy was Batman and the character the actor

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was Bruce Wayne with this playboy nonsense that he was doing.

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And as hard as that was to pull off in

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a believable way, can't leave Michael Keaton byd He's just

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too good.

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Speaker 3: By the way, just a side note, the scene where

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Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson meet and there's another rooster

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in the henhouse at Biggi Vale's apartment and Michael Keaton

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slides in the little aluminum tray that's going to stop

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a low caliber joker gun.

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Speaker 2: It's a good thing he didn't have the circus.

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Speaker 3: Gup, think about Dumb and Dumber, where I'm like, what

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if he's shut you in the face?

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Speaker 2: What if he shot me in there? Yeah, what if

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he shot me in the face. That's a risk we

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were willing to take it, all right, Joker to Joker

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d Europe. Okay, there is no question that Jack Nicholson's

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Joker was an icon is still an icon. It was

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the reason that nobody wanted to be the Joker when

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the Dark Knight was being cast. Every line that he

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says is memorable. Yes, Jack Nicholson in any movie that

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he's in is going to be Jack, but it's like

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he was Jack plus on all of these Joker lines.

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But when Heath Ledger takes on that challenge and reinvents

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the Joker and doesn't do anything like Jack Nicholson did,

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but gives us a guy who you're like, whoa, This

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guy has got a bag of cats in his head

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until three quarters into the movie, and then all of

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a sudden he almost makes sense. That takes some extreme

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skill and to do it in a character that's so memorable.

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I gotta go, Heath Ledger, God rest his soul, all right?

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, Heath Ledger presents some real menace,

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particularly for me, in those videos of him with those

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victims that we actually talked about. He directed those scenes himself. Yeah,

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where he's gonna kill those people, the guy in the

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hockey pants, you know, and he has such a great

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presence and you believe that he wants the world to burn,

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and he's all in crazy but crazy like a fox,

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right m h. And then you've got Jack Nicholson, who

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may be his most iconic movie role ever and maybe

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the most iconic role of the eighties, where he's playing

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the Joker and he laughs at that crazy laugh throughout

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the entire movie, and it's so much fun. And every

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line is memorable, right, I mean, never rub another man's rubarb.

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Speaker 2: Right, I could speel him out. He stole my balloons?

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What didn't somebody tell me he had one of those things?

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Speaker 3: So this town needs Can someone tell me what kind

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of a world we live in?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So every line is memorable. Spike in the Football put

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me down. Jack Nicholson as the original iconic Joker.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, all right, I understand. Okay, let's go movie

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to movie. Okay, let me go first. You know what

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my vote is on this you go ahead, all right.

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Speaker 3: So in this case, I love Batman eighty nine. It

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hit me at the exact right moment. I talked a

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lot about how the summer of nineteen eighty nine is

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one of my favorite summers of all time. I was sixteen,

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I was going to see every movie in the theater.

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My friends and I saw this multiple times. I love

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Batman eighty nine. I love Michael Keaton. I've talked about

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how Jack Nicholson's Joker is more iconic to me. But

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Dark Knight is a way better movie.

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Speaker 2: It's not even close.

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Speaker 3: Batman is great for what it is, but The Dark

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01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,280
Knight is far and away a better movie. Spike the football,

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01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:58,480
what do you got?

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Speaker 2: I don't need to go into a lot of detail either.

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There's no mystery. I haven't tried to fool you during

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this episode, these last three episodes at all. There's no

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01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:10,079
question that The Dark Knight is a better film. Like,

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if I want to have fun and eat popcorn with

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my family, we're gonna put in Batman eighty nine and

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we're just gonna have a silly time. And that's great,

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01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,599
and it's a great movie. It's exciting, it's fun. But

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Christopher Nolan took a comic book and made it a

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film by itself, even without the character history of eighty

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01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:29,880
years of the Batman. If you just switched Batman out

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for some other made up new superhero and the Joker

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with some other made up psychopath, this still would be

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a fantastic film. And therefore it beats It beats Batman

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01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:43,880
eighty nine a question about it.

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Speaker 3: We love both of these, love them, but we're both

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01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:48,840
all in on the dark knight.

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Speaker 2: Yep. We want to hear from you, guys. Where are you?

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01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:54,000
Where are we? What do you think? Weigh in?

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01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,679
Speaker 3: Hit us up on Facebook, hit us up on Twitter.

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01:03:56,719 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: What do you think? We've got a lot of top

1266
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,960
fans out there on Facebook who want they hear the episode.

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01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,280
They're immediately telling us how we got it wrong. And

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we love it. That's why we love it. And if

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you've been with us thus far, get that follow button

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01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:15,559
you a dime. All it does is help us with

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01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:18,199
our ratings, help us put towards the top where people

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01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:20,679
will see us. So do us this small favor of

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01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,960
hitting that follow button so that we can talk to

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01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:26,119
you again in a week and then next week after

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01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:29,639
that and what do we got coming up? What's in store?

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Speaker 3: We are celebrating The Godfather's fiftieth anniversary next week by

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matching it up with The Godfather Part two and Goodfellas.

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Godfather Part one has been described as one of the

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01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,360
best movies ever made. Yes, Godfather Too has been described

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as maybe the best sequel ever made. Yes, and Goodfellas.

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Speaker 2: Martin Scorsese's arguably his Godfather. That's gonna be a tough one.

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01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,880
That is gonna be a tough one. But we might

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01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,360
have a special sneak episode in between now and then,

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01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,039
because hopefully things go according to plan, Jason and I

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01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:11,440
will have caught the new movie The Batman, and we

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01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,239
will be able to come back and tell you our

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01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,599
thoughts on that. Join us back here next week.

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Speaker 3: If you know a Batman fan, have them subscribe, have

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01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,639
them listen rub our rhubarb for us on this deal.

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We'll see you next week for The Godfather