Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Constin's radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back nine o'clock hour here on a Thursday night,
Speaker 2: and Red Sox are in spring training.
Speaker 3: Ruins are losing to the Islanders, the.
Speaker 2: Celtics took it on the chin last night in Detroit
Speaker 2: against the Pistons, and of course the Patriots are gearing
Speaker 2: up for next year.
Speaker 3: This is not a sports show.
Speaker 2: However, it was a really interesting article the Globe and
Speaker 2: the Herald today, and for those of you who have
Speaker 2: any interest in sports, I hope this caught your eye. Apparently,
Speaker 2: the National Football League does at a survey every year
Speaker 2: in which they ask all of their players to participate
Speaker 2: in this anonymous player survey, and each team's anonymous answers
Speaker 2: are collated and the teams then are given a ranking
Speaker 2: a survey and as the Globe article said today, survey
Speaker 2: says Patriots fail. And I read this Ben Volan's column,
Speaker 2: and there was also a column on the same issue
Speaker 2: in the Boston Herald and I read it and the
Speaker 2: more that I read, the more frustrated I became. And
Speaker 2: I don't know how many of you followed this stuff
Speaker 2: because it's sports and something that you know, I'm interested in.
Speaker 2: And the Patriots are ranked of the thirty two NFL
Speaker 2: teams in terms of I guess you would call it
Speaker 2: player satisfaction, maybe player comfort. They're ranked thirty first, second
Speaker 2: to last. Only the Arizona Cardinals gave their team their organization,
Speaker 2: and I'll explain how they came to that decision. That
Speaker 2: there's only one team that thinks they're treated worse, and
Speaker 2: just in terms of sort of the amenities. Okay, Now,
Speaker 2: by way of background, you have to realize that to
Speaker 2: be a professional athlete is an honor and a gift.
Speaker 2: The number of people who have the honor to play
Speaker 2: one of the major league sports, it's a small percentage.
Speaker 2: I mean thousands of I should say millions of kids
Speaker 2: start out in Little league, or they start out in
Speaker 2: pop warner or pee wee hockey or some form of
Speaker 2: you know, local club basketball. And the people who who
Speaker 2: who make it to the top, they they're the best
Speaker 2: of the best, no question. Even if you're a benchwarmer,
Speaker 2: you're major league athlete, you generally are treated in the
Speaker 2: first as first class. And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: the way it is now, kids are identified by all
Speaker 2: the colleges and the high schools earlier and earlier and earlier.
Speaker 2: And of course even if you play Division one football,
Speaker 2: that's probably you have treatments as a Division one football
Speaker 2: player that are better than what the pro football players
Speaker 2: are fifty years ago ever received. So let's look at
Speaker 2: the scores that now, again, this is a composite score
Speaker 2: that the Patriot players gave to the organization for which
Speaker 2: they play, and the Patriot players, the Patriots organization was
Speaker 2: thanked first the second worst organization in all of the
Speaker 2: National Football League. Now, I'm not a Patriot player. I
Speaker 2: don't know these facilities, but I do know that major
Speaker 2: league teams they don't stay in redroof inns, a Motel
Speaker 2: sixes at the Ritz or when they're on the road,
Speaker 2: or they're at the Four Seasons Hotel. When they go
Speaker 2: to the airport, they're not flying commercial, particularly pro football teams.
Speaker 2: They are always flying on some sort of a private jet,
Speaker 2: probably in many cases leaving from the most convenient airport,
Speaker 2: whether it's Green Down in Rhode Island or maybe Hanscombe Field.
Speaker 2: The Patriots have a plane. I think all of us
Speaker 2: have seen that plane. I have to the Gillette Stadium
Speaker 2: is what Now? Twenty three years old. Maybe it's one
Speaker 2: of the newer stadiums for those of us who remember
Speaker 2: Sullivan Stadium and back in the day, even before that
Speaker 2: Harvard Stadium. I just think, what would Babe Peruli at
Speaker 2: Geno Capelletti and the people who helped bring the Patriots
Speaker 2: to life here in New England say about this well anyway,
Speaker 2: So the treatment of families, I guess on game days
Speaker 2: they try to make sure that the families are comfortable.
Speaker 2: I don't think they all end up in swites like
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, but that's a story for another time. Treatment
Speaker 2: of families, the Patriots players collectively give the Patriots organization
Speaker 2: a C plus. That is kind of a Midland grade
Speaker 2: because it's that the eighteenth in the NFL.
Speaker 3: In terms of the food and dining.
Speaker 2: Area, I guess this is somewhere in the bowels of
Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium, twenty fourth in the NFL. Nutritionists and dietitians
Speaker 2: twenty fifth in the NFL. The locker room the players
Speaker 2: rated twenty second of all the thirty two NFL locker rooms.
Speaker 2: The training room, oh bad, number thirtieth in the NFL.
Speaker 2: The training staff twenty sixth in the NFL. The weight
Speaker 2: room last dead last in the NFL. The strength coaches.
Speaker 2: These are the guys who work with the Patriot players.
Speaker 2: Twenty sixth in the NFL, team travel thirty first in
Speaker 2: the NFL. They have a Patriots plane, but according to
Speaker 2: the article that I've read, they feel that the plane
Speaker 2: is not of the best gray, that it's a little older,
Speaker 2: and it's a little more cramped. Again, I guess all
Speaker 2: of us would love to have a private plane to
Speaker 2: travel on. The best grade they give is to the
Speaker 2: head coach, their own head coach, which is it's a
Speaker 2: B plus, But it's the other players on the other
Speaker 2: teams must really love their coaches, because this B plus
Speaker 2: for Gerardmeo ranked him only twenty fourth, But that's the
Speaker 2: highest grade the Patriot players gave to anything associated with
Speaker 2: their experience and then ownership the Craft family, they gave
Speaker 2: them a D. Now, I'm not an insider. I don't
Speaker 2: cover the Patriots, but my sense is that the Patriots
Speaker 2: need to shake this up. That this is a team
Speaker 2: that went four to fourteen, so they didn't produce on
Speaker 2: the field. They did give much protection either to their
Speaker 2: veteran quarterback earlier in the season, to Kobe Brissett, and
Speaker 2: they didn't give much protection to the new guy, the
Speaker 2: rookie Derek May. And you know, there were at least
Speaker 2: two or three of the players on the Patriots this
Speaker 2: year who had some distractions, shall we say, because they
Speaker 2: had to. They got themselves involved in either a confrontation
Speaker 2: with a police officer or in some sort of a
Speaker 2: domestic situation. I realized that every one of those cases,
Speaker 2: there's two sides to the story, and maybe the cop
Speaker 2: isn't the best cop in the world, maybe the player
Speaker 2: said something that whatever. I know that there was one
Speaker 2: player who ended up in a court of law and
Speaker 2: was acquitted by the charges. But all of that is
Speaker 2: a distraction to the team and to the teammates. So
Speaker 2: when I look at these numbers, the impression I come
Speaker 2: away with is these are overall spoiled, underachieving football players.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know that I know any of these players.
Speaker 2: I've known other Patriot players over the years, have had
Speaker 2: some of them on the program as guests, and most
Speaker 2: professional athletes are great guys to deal with. But it
Speaker 2: just seems to me that if the Patriots had been
Speaker 2: this year, the Patriots of old ending up in the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Well they could, I think, criticize whatever they want.
Speaker 2: But when you are not producing on the field and
Speaker 2: you turn around and you want to say, well, we
Speaker 2: got the worst owner, or one of the worst owners,
Speaker 2: the fourth worst owner in in the in the NFL,
Speaker 2: we have the worst weight room, We have the second
Speaker 2: worst or the third worst training room. Our team travel
Speaker 2: on our private plane is the second worst of all
Speaker 2: the other teams. Boy, I can't help but walk away
Speaker 2: with an attitude of they have drafted a bunch of
Speaker 2: players who perhaps don't experience, don't appreciate the experience. So
Speaker 2: if you think I'm being harsh or being too critical,
Speaker 2: feel free to give me a call. If you feel
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, then don't give me a call, But
Speaker 2: I'd love to talk with you if you're a football fan.
Speaker 2: He is surprised by this result. They had a bad
Speaker 2: year and they probably won't have a great year next year.
Speaker 2: But they I think they should look in the mirror,
Speaker 2: I guess, is what I'm saying, and worry a little
Speaker 2: bit less about out what the accommodations are for the
Speaker 2: family on game day, what the plane is like when
Speaker 2: they fly across the country. Uh, it's part of it's
Speaker 2: part of a job. It's part of a tough job,
Speaker 2: but it's a part of a job that probably a
Speaker 2: lot of people would love to have the opportunity to
Speaker 2: have experienced. And they are fortunate enough through you know,
Speaker 2: the blessings of either hard work or you know, genetic
Speaker 2: blessings where they are are blessed with great I hand
Speaker 2: coordination or strength or physical endurance or whatever. They're in
Speaker 2: this position where they are honored and appreciated. But I
Speaker 2: don't think the feeling is mutual. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Give us a call, let's talk about it. There is
Speaker 2: there are so many athletes who come through Boston who
Speaker 2: come to love it here uh and come to be
Speaker 2: loved here, whether it's David Ortiz or Pedro Martinez or
Speaker 2: a Dustin Pedroyer in baseball, whether it's a Ray Book
Speaker 2: in in in hockey, uh and and and others in
Speaker 2: in basketball. The the Celtics right now seem to have
Speaker 2: an organization that is clicking h that that the players
Speaker 2: seem to like playing here. But the Patriots at this point,
Speaker 2: I think they they're going to need to have to
Speaker 2: change that roster up quite a bit, because I think
Speaker 2: he got a lot of guys in there who probably
Speaker 2: are complainers. Uh, and we do a lot better playing
Speaker 2: with another organization. Back of nights, I joined the conversation
Speaker 2: coming back right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nights Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: Well, it looks to me.
Speaker 2: Like this is not a topic that people particularly want
Speaker 2: to talk about, So I'm just gonna give it another
Speaker 2: quick shot here and then we're going to move on
Speaker 2: after the news at the bottom of the hour. In
Speaker 2: the article by Ben Volin today in the great piece
Speaker 2: by the Way in the Boston Globe, he writes the
Speaker 2: Patriots weight room received a grade of F was ranked
Speaker 2: the worst in the NFL for the second straight year.
Speaker 2: The team's travel also received an F and again the
Speaker 2: criticism there, ranking it thirty first, with players criticizing the
Speaker 2: plane as too small, not having Wi Fi, and that
Speaker 2: the seats have astros. Players specifically responded that our plane
Speaker 2: is the worst thing size space safety, and it is
Speaker 2: not conducive to preparedness for athletical For athletic performance, wrote
Speaker 2: the Union that was a summary of what the Patriot
Speaker 2: players had said. It to me is interesting that these
Speaker 2: players who, as they say, in high school, the big
Speaker 2: men on campus, they go to colleges, they you know,
Speaker 2: some of them do great in colleges, and some of them,
Speaker 2: you know, use that college degree and and they appreciate
Speaker 2: that opportunity. And then a handful are selected for the
Speaker 2: National Football Leagues. Not an easy job, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: But the accommodations that they're used to are our first
Speaker 2: class when when you realize it, and again for them
Speaker 2: to have this this anonymous player survey uh and come
Speaker 2: up with nothing but complaints, UH, to me, it's it's
Speaker 2: smacks of a of a team that that that needs
Speaker 2: to be shaken up a lot, I mean a lot.
Speaker 2: There there are I'm sure there were. There were good,
Speaker 2: good citizens and people who appreciate what they're doing and
Speaker 2: what they're being allowed to do or what they've been
Speaker 2: blessed in some form or fashion to be able to do.
Speaker 2: Maybe they got great coaching in high school and college
Speaker 2: and and now they're playing in the NFL, but they're
Speaker 2: not happy about it. And that's your New England Patriots,
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen who last year were four and fourteen.
Speaker 2: So what I'm going to do is, if this is
Speaker 2: a subject I guess when I do something different, many
Speaker 2: of you are shocked and surprised, but I got to
Speaker 2: be honest with you. I try to in the program
Speaker 2: here is do what you would expect, but also every
Speaker 2: once in a while, venture into an area where perhaps
Speaker 2: you might want to offer an opinion, either in agreement
Speaker 2: or disagreement. So what I'll do is just going to
Speaker 2: spend a couple more minutes talking about this, and then
Speaker 2: we will come back after the news at the bottom
Speaker 2: of the hour and we can easily move on. I
Speaker 2: am surprised, you know again. The Patriots right now are
Speaker 2: the red headed step children of the Boston sports scene.
Speaker 2: The Celtics are going great, the Red Sox seem to
Speaker 2: have retooled themselves this spring, and they it seems like
Speaker 2: their season could really be much better this year within
Speaker 2: a year ago Coast time. We'll have to tell them that.
Speaker 2: And the Bruins, who are struggling to make it into
Speaker 2: the playoffs, may may change the composition of their team
Speaker 2: with their trade deadline coming up in the next few
Speaker 2: days pretty quickly. If they don't turn turn around in
Speaker 2: the next few games, and they only have four games
Speaker 2: left before the trade deadline. So what I'm going to
Speaker 2: do is take an opportunity to give the number one
Speaker 2: more time. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven, nine three ten thirty. We're talking about
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. They are not a group of
Speaker 2: happy campers, and they they didn't play like a group
Speaker 2: of happy campers. So well, we got one call coming
Speaker 2: in here from a sports fan. Let's go to Laurie
Speaker 2: in Idaho. Laurie, I know you probably didn't this piece
Speaker 2: in the Globes today unless you were looking at it
Speaker 2: on the internet. But I find the number. I find
Speaker 2: this kind of a shocking story. If I were Bob Kraft,
Speaker 2: I'd be pretty upset tonight.
Speaker 4: Well I did.
Speaker 5: I heard it on VD today and a couple of
Speaker 5: other places too. I didn't real but I'm I'm appalled,
Speaker 5: and I think we're seeing a big reason why this
Speaker 5: team never won, because, you know what, I guess they
Speaker 5: just didn't want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My feeling is that that if all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you're you got guys who are upset with the plane,
Speaker 2: I kind of imagine they could have been in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form upset with the hotel accommodations, because all
Speaker 2: these teams go to the best hotels in this in
Speaker 2: the cities.
Speaker 3: But they're completely about the weight room. They complained about
Speaker 3: just about everything and everything. You know, there's not a
Speaker 3: lot of focus then on the game.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, well, they were focused on the game,
Speaker 5: maybe they would play. I mean, it sounds to me
Speaker 5: like un just spoiled brats to not only didn't appreciate everything,
Speaker 5: but they also didn't want to work. From what it
Speaker 5: sounds like, Yeah, it sounds that way.
Speaker 3: A lot of excuses there.
Speaker 2: And again, I guess when you're four and fourteen, uh
Speaker 2: and and the only game that they won was the
Speaker 2: game that they shouldn't have won.
Speaker 5: They shouldn't have exactly, gave away the.
Speaker 3: Number one draft pick. They'll get the fourth draft pick,
Speaker 3: so they'll.
Speaker 2: They'll get it. They'll get a quality player. But you
Speaker 2: got to really revamp the roster at that point. As
Speaker 2: far as I'm contrited.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm disgusting.
Speaker 5: Praybille needs to embrace his inner Belichick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think so.
Speaker 2: There was no complaining when when they were winning Super
Speaker 2: Bowl no one was complaining about the team playing when
Speaker 2: they were winning Super Bowls. No one was complaining about
Speaker 2: the accommodations for the families. I mean, on Sunday, if
Speaker 2: you're not focused on the game and you're wondering whether
Speaker 2: or not you your girlfriend or or your wife or
Speaker 2: the kids have a good place to watch the game, that's.
Speaker 5: That's a bunch of spoiled breaths and they need a
Speaker 5: good lesson or the door.
Speaker 2: I think so, I think a lot will be showed
Speaker 2: to do it. Laurie, thanks for getting us going all
Speaker 2: of a sudden. We do have some callers who are
Speaker 2: coming in behind, so I appreciate it. You know, it's
Speaker 2: funny when I when I do something that's a little different,
Speaker 2: a lot of people kind of are slow to Maybe
Speaker 2: they think they're listening to a sports radio program.
Speaker 5: I traded in my Friday Hall pass to do this.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you get you get a hall pass.
Speaker 2: You got a hall pass. Don't worry for tomorrow. Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks Lauren much. Okay, I appreciate it. All right, we
Speaker 2: will take a break. We will take a quick break
Speaker 2: a week.
Speaker 3: Come back.
Speaker 2: We'll talk with Maureen and Matt and Chris, and I'd
Speaker 2: love to talk with you. Am I being too tough
Speaker 2: on this team? Is Laurie being too tough on this team?
Speaker 2: I think this team didn't produce on the field. And
Speaker 2: now again, look, I've not been in these facilities. I
Speaker 2: assume they're probably pretty good facilities. Uh, there's no reason
Speaker 2: why they wouldn't be.
Speaker 3: Uh. And when I travel.
Speaker 2: On my own dime, on my family's dime, uh, the
Speaker 2: teams were smaller. I'm assuming that when when they retire
Speaker 2: and they're traveling on their own dime, they're going to
Speaker 2: Pine for the days of the Patriots playing and the
Speaker 2: charter flights which they probably were able to go autobus
Speaker 2: get screened very easily, very quietly, take the bus out
Speaker 2: of the plane, walk up onto the plane, and get comfortable.
Speaker 2: But again, if anyone wants to defend them, tell me
Speaker 2: what great players they really are. And now that the
Speaker 2: four and fourteen record didn't reflect badly, feel free six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty, six, seven,
Speaker 2: nine thirty. We will talk later on tonight about autonomous
Speaker 2: driving vehicles. So I kind of picked two little different
Speaker 2: type subjects tonight. I wanted to change it up. We
Speaker 2: could go back and talk politics every night, but that's
Speaker 2: not what I want to do. Okay, we talk enough politics.
Speaker 2: I want to incorporate this to bring other people to
Speaker 2: the to the broadcast as well. Okay, we'll take a
Speaker 2: quick break, coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk to some of the listeners and
Speaker 2: find out what they think. I'm I was really disappointed
Speaker 2: to see that article in both the Globe and the
Speaker 2: Herald today. It was good article in both papers. These
Speaker 2: are not happy football players, and the results kind of
Speaker 2: kind of showed Maureen and Brockton. Hey Maureen, thank you
Speaker 2: for calling and how are you tonight?
Speaker 7: Oh I'm great. Thank you for taking my call. And
Speaker 7: I hope you're well too. So I was listening to
Speaker 7: you earlier and I got to tell you what came. Well,
Speaker 7: first of all, yeah, I think there were a bunch
Speaker 7: of you know, babies, So I mean, yeah, they're professional athletes.
Speaker 7: Yes they have a talent and you know, but you
Speaker 7: know what I was remembering, and again, you know, you
Speaker 7: might be more familiar with this many years ago. There
Speaker 7: was something I either saw or heard and it had
Speaker 7: to do with Johnny Pesky, and I believe basically, I mean, obviously,
Speaker 7: baseball wasn't twelve months a year. So when he wasn't
Speaker 7: playing baseball, he had to go up and work a
Speaker 7: full time job. I mean, can you imagine, but can
Speaker 7: you imagine these pros?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 7: Okay, So so that's what I was saying. And then
Speaker 7: the other thing I thought was I wasn't a huge
Speaker 7: fan of Larry Bird. I was a huge fan of
Speaker 7: Kevin McHale. He was my favorite. But Larry Bird's like
Speaker 7: his work ethic, like he would be and look at
Speaker 7: the garden he would be practicing. He would just you know,
Speaker 7: and I'm sure Tom Brady had a lot of those
Speaker 7: similar work ethics. You know, I'm going to work and
Speaker 7: do this. But to complain about, you know, be a plane,
Speaker 7: I mean, or I mean, really, there's more things in
Speaker 7: this world that people. You know, they're so lucky. They
Speaker 7: make so much money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 2: Realized that they make money only for a few years.
Speaker 2: It's not a lifetime job. But many of them then, uh,
Speaker 2: in their in their retirement as an active player, they're
Speaker 2: if they're smart, they can move into broadcasting, they can
Speaker 2: move into working with the team organization as a scout.
Speaker 2: Some of them go into coaching, some of them going
Speaker 2: to college coaching. There's there's there's a lot of opportunities
Speaker 2: that open up for them just because of who they
Speaker 2: are and what they do for a living as a
Speaker 2: professional football player. There's a lot of businesses who will,
Speaker 2: you know, hire these guys. It's it is really a
Speaker 2: wonderful way to begin your career as a young person,
Speaker 2: and you treated you treated like a god by many people.
Speaker 2: I mean, the worst thing that you have to do
Speaker 2: is sign a few autographs after a game, and people
Speaker 2: might see with a restaurant and come over and try
Speaker 2: to say hello. But again, those are the people who
Speaker 2: are watching your games. Those are the people who are
Speaker 2: buying the expensive beers and the expensive tickets to pay
Speaker 2: your salary.
Speaker 3: So I don't know it. Just when I read that today,
Speaker 3: I thought to myself, no, wonder they.
Speaker 2: Were foward fourteen and the Patriots have to have to
Speaker 2: make that roster over as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 7: Well, and something came up the other night. There was
Speaker 7: some and I can't recall what the what the topic was,
Speaker 7: but something came up about coach Mayo. Now I mean
Speaker 7: I was all I was, so you know, I loved them.
Speaker 7: I was just so you know, I kept you know,
Speaker 7: so I come on, coach, come on, coach, and just
Speaker 7: you know, And I mean but again, I mean, I
Speaker 7: don't think that they should have just cut him off
Speaker 7: after one year because because even like you know, I
Speaker 7: mean Bill Belichick, I mean again, I don't go there,
Speaker 7: you know, prior to to the Patriots. But I mean,
Speaker 7: but I'm sure Bill Belichick had you know, some rocky years.
Speaker 2: You know, coach with the Cleveland Browns. He was they
Speaker 2: had losing seasons. His first season with the Patriots wasn't great.
Speaker 2: But Gerard Mayo was a great guy. I had him
Speaker 2: on the show several years ago. He had a he's
Speaker 2: an animal lover, and he had a dog which I
Speaker 2: think they had put in a kennel when when the
Speaker 2: family went away on a trip, uh and the dog
Speaker 2: was not treated well, and and and and he he
Speaker 2: he took it publicly, and I had him on the show.
Speaker 2: I liked the guy a lot, and I was rooting
Speaker 2: for him a lot. And that team just didn't perform.
Speaker 2: And again, a bunch of complainers and a bunch of
Speaker 2: the players also became distractions, you know, in terms of
Speaker 2: a couple of cases and a little bit of you know,
Speaker 2: interchange with a police officer down in Rhode Island, and
Speaker 2: none of that helps. But hey, they are what they are.
Speaker 2: They're a four and fourteen football team, and I'll be
Speaker 2: interested as to how many guys are on the roster
Speaker 2: next year. I suspect not not the number when this.
Speaker 2: Once this figure came out, it shows that they weren't happy.
Speaker 2: And if you're not happy, it's tough to play winning,
Speaker 2: winning football. It's as simple as that. Mauren, thanks so
Speaker 2: much for calling. I really do approach. First two callers
Speaker 2: are Patriots, Fians and female, and that's great. I hope
Speaker 2: some of the guys will call in, and maybe some
Speaker 2: of the guys want to criticize my position here, and
Speaker 2: I'll be more than happy to hear from them as well.
Speaker 7: Marin, thank you much, well, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep rolling here and see what others
Speaker 2: might think. We will just do this until ten o'clock.
Speaker 2: We're going to go next to Yeah, Matt and Franklin. Matt,
Speaker 2: you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 3: Welcome Dan.
Speaker 8: I agree with the survey. I think the franchise is
Speaker 8: in deep trouble of crafts getting up there in age.
Speaker 8: He's always been someone that's never wanted to spend money
Speaker 8: on the team. It came out a couple of years
Speaker 8: ago that he was having Pete carroll sair blowne and
Speaker 8: Chief sandwiches for the players, and I mean he inherented.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to doubt you, but I never heard
Speaker 3: that story.
Speaker 8: It came out when Belichick's Belichick's final year because a
Speaker 8: lot of the other coaches were feeling bad based on
Speaker 8: the state of the team, and it was really shocking
Speaker 8: just how much the team fell off when Brady left.
Speaker 3: And yeah, when Joe Montana left the Patriots, team fell off,
Speaker 3: when when Derry Bradshaw left the Steelers the team.
Speaker 8: But yeah, when Steve Young left the forty nine and
Speaker 8: fell off. But yeah, that a lot of it to
Speaker 8: do with But he won't spend money. It's like he
Speaker 8: keeps like Nickel and diming everything, raising the prices. I mean,
Speaker 8: he wouldn't pay Curtis Martin Parcels back in the day.
Speaker 8: He fought with them, and his son also has a
Speaker 8: huge role on the team. And he's not a very
Speaker 8: like whkable individual. So I mean, I just.
Speaker 3: Think you're talking about Bob Crafter or Jonathan Jonathan. Well,
Speaker 3: I don't I've met Bob Craft. I don't know him.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't know me from a hole in the wall,
Speaker 2: to the best of my knowledge, ever met Jonathan. Here's
Speaker 2: my question to you, Matt okay, are you are you
Speaker 2: a season ticket holder?
Speaker 3: You sound like you might be personally invested.
Speaker 8: No, I would never buy season tickets at the current
Speaker 8: tym that they're in.
Speaker 6: I'm suck.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, let me.
Speaker 8: Ask you this.
Speaker 2: Did you feel this way when the Patriots were winning
Speaker 2: six of nine Super Bowls in the first.
Speaker 8: You know what during the lull in between when we
Speaker 8: were putting together some of those awful teams and then
Speaker 8: not drafting first round picks because they cost money, and
Speaker 8: then not right resigning people because they cost money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that Craft didn't buy the team until was it
Speaker 3: ninety four?
Speaker 8: He bought the team in ninety four? He inherited Bloodstelle
Speaker 8: and to ourselves. I'm talking about when we won the
Speaker 8: first couple of Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: And say, first of all, by the way, when when
Speaker 2: we won, I didn't play in the team and you
Speaker 2: didn't play in the team.
Speaker 3: When Day won.
Speaker 2: Let's go at our pronouns correctly. Okay, unless you a
Speaker 2: Jersey or the taxi squad.
Speaker 3: We'll be back at night Side right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the window World
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Speaker 2: The news radio, getting everybody, and I promise we're going
Speaker 2: to start it off with Chris down the cave.
Speaker 3: Chris, where do you think? Am I? How? Am I
Speaker 3: right or wrong? On this one?
Speaker 6: You're right?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 3: You there, we got you, Chris, go red ahead, You're next,
Speaker 3: you run here, go ahead?
Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks h I tend to agree when I I
Speaker 6: haven't read any opinion pieces on it, or Ben Bowen's
Speaker 6: piece on it.
Speaker 3: It's a great piece.
Speaker 6: I skimmed it when it first came out a day
Speaker 6: or so ago, and the first thing that jumped out
Speaker 6: at me was who like in any survey or polling?
Speaker 6: Who did the polling? What is the objectivity? What are
Speaker 6: the relative rankings of the teams? What's the morale?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 2: I gave the relative rankings, and these are the Patriot
Speaker 2: players who gave the opportunity. Every player on every team
Speaker 2: in the NFL had the opportunity to fill out anonymously.
Speaker 2: So they could say whatever they want, and it's conducted
Speaker 2: by the Players Association, which gives the them, you know,
Speaker 2: a chance to find out, you know, how their players feel,
Speaker 2: how they're being treated. The Players Association would do that.
Speaker 2: But for the Patriots as a team of four and fourteen,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, the plane was horrible, the weight
Speaker 2: trainers were horrible, the weight room was horrible. I mean,
Speaker 2: there was very you know, last, second, last, third, last.
Speaker 2: The only one who got it a decent grade was
Speaker 2: the coach, Yeah, who I think is a great guy,
Speaker 2: and the and the team failed him badly in my opinion.
Speaker 6: So yeah, see, that's what jumped out at me in
Speaker 6: that survey as I skimmed it, that he got a
Speaker 6: damn good rating considering the record that he produced. And
Speaker 6: certainly he is not responsible for a lack ofam around
Speaker 6: if the team is behind him to that extent. But
Speaker 6: the rest of it, I sort of agree with you.
Speaker 6: Any of these players complaining about their salaries, yes, always,
Speaker 6: just never enough. I remember the you know, as you
Speaker 6: pointed out earlier, the Southern Stadium, what a disaster that
Speaker 6: was that was going to white to the White stadium.
Speaker 3: You know, But the idea was that. Okay.
Speaker 2: Without Sullivan Stadium, you wouldn't have I mean, the Patriots
Speaker 2: previously were nomads. They played it bes and Field, Harvard Stadium,
Speaker 2: Fenway Park. I watched Patriots game to Fenway Park. They
Speaker 2: finally had a place of their own. Okay, And that
Speaker 2: was the time that the AFC and the National Football League,
Speaker 2: the American Football League were merging. And they're standing on
Speaker 2: the shoulders of these players who came before. And you
Speaker 2: probably if you probably said to most of the players,
Speaker 2: who's Gino Cappelletti, who's Jim Hallins, they probably would have
Speaker 2: no idea.
Speaker 3: Well, it was.
Speaker 2: It was very disappointing to read this article and it
Speaker 2: just shows to me that this this team was not
Speaker 2: a good team and they should shake it up, as
Speaker 2: simple as that. Chris, I got a.
Speaker 6: Bunch of the sims I might have of the survey
Speaker 6: is I think it might be helpful, even though it
Speaker 6: was done by the Players Association, to have independent reviews
Speaker 6: of these venues to see how it matches in an
Speaker 6: independent source. If you were, you know, a journalist going
Speaker 6: to you know, going on this plane or checking that
Speaker 6: plane out and all the rest. Does it match or
Speaker 6: are there other attitudes that could have been in play.
Speaker 1: I never heard, I never heard.
Speaker 2: I think that Patriots complain about the planes of the plane,
Speaker 2: I should say, when they were winning Super Bowls, right,
Speaker 2: And I just think that the losing team develops a
Speaker 2: losing attitude.
Speaker 3: Simple ast simple as that. Chris, appreciate your call, Thank
Speaker 3: you much, appreciate it. Thank you all right, welcome Ed
Speaker 3: and wooster.
Speaker 2: Ed.
Speaker 3: Gotta be quick because I got a couple more behind you.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Ed, Hi.
Speaker 4: I agree with the previous scholar about you got to
Speaker 4: look into the methodology and who's who's who's tabulating results.
Speaker 4: But I don't think this survey has been done for
Speaker 4: very long. You were comparing it to when they were
Speaker 4: winning Super Bowls. I've only heard about this for like
Speaker 4: the last two years or so.
Speaker 3: This was the third year.
Speaker 4: You could have been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 3: Be right, No, this was the third year it was done.
Speaker 3: You're correct.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is winning everybody feels better. I mean,
Speaker 2: the locker room looks cleaner, the food taste better, the
Speaker 2: seats in the plane are more comfortable.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: This was a bad football team that let down their
Speaker 2: coach and let down their fans and now they're complaining
Speaker 2: about everything. Well that's all.
Speaker 4: Well, can I speak up in defense of the I mean,
Speaker 4: I am not a huge fan of labor unions. I'm
Speaker 4: particularly not a huge fan of professional sports player unions.
Speaker 4: But if I want to say a word in defense
Speaker 4: of the Players Association, of the people who answered this survey,
Speaker 4: the players who answered the survey, to me, they're look
Speaker 4: at how they've been evaluated ever since. Probably you know
Speaker 4: junior higher before, who can run faster, who can jump higher,
Speaker 4: who can lift more weights, who can do this better.
Speaker 4: All they're really doing is doing that and doing it
Speaker 4: back to the people who've been doing it to them
Speaker 4: their whole lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying to you is that for the
Speaker 2: most part that again, I think that this was a
Speaker 2: team that was a losing football team, and these guys
Speaker 2: don't appreciate what they have and a lot of them
Speaker 2: are going to find them helves on the unemployment line.
Speaker 2: They're not going to be picked up by other teams.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And maybe they'll look back on this last season and saying,
Speaker 2: maybe the food wasn't that bad after all, and maybe
Speaker 2: that plane wasn't that bad. Try try flying commercial guys
Speaker 2: and tell me, tell me how bad the Patriot's plain is.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know, I mean not just the union.
Speaker 4: It's done to light a fire under the management and
Speaker 4: the owners.
Speaker 3: And that's what a union is.
Speaker 2: Spas they want nothing, no problem with the union of
Speaker 2: this one, that's for sure. ED appreciate a different point
Speaker 2: of view as always.
Speaker 3: Thank you much.
Speaker 2: I want to try to Thanks buddy, talk to you
Speaker 2: some anytime. Let me go next real quickly. I got
Speaker 2: Paul and Lynn, PAULI got you want to got room
Speaker 2: for Sean and Beverly?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Paul, Hey, I.
Speaker 9: Dan, I just call. They agree with everything you're saying
Speaker 9: and be content in what you have. And I don't
Speaker 9: think it would get to the point where mister Kraft
Speaker 9: wouldn't take care of than not being comfortable before it
Speaker 9: gets over his head. I think he would take care
Speaker 9: of it right away.
Speaker 2: But you want to do These are the guys who
Speaker 2: represent your team. You want to put your best players,
Speaker 2: and you want to treat them well. If you're a
Speaker 2: good businessman and a guy who won six out of
Speaker 2: nine Super Bowls, I mean that's respect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I'll get it.
Speaker 2: A lot of these players who made these complaints, they're
Speaker 2: going to look back five years and they're gonna remember differently.
Speaker 9: They're going to say, you know what, maybe not because
Speaker 9: that's how they grew up in their household.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's not a bad point. That's maybe not a
Speaker 3: bad point. They got to get different.
Speaker 9: You go onto the next, onto the next one.
Speaker 4: I'm listening.
Speaker 9: I'm I agree, thanks man, right to the point.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 2: All right, we got one time for one more caller,
Speaker 2: and it is sewn from Beverly Sewn.
Speaker 3: You're the last of the hour.
Speaker 10: You go right ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm doing great.
Speaker 2: What do you think of this survey of the results
Speaker 2: and my comments on it?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think I look at it both ways.
Speaker 5: Tell the truth.
Speaker 10: I think listen, players want the comforts right because the
Speaker 10: other thing is too If you look at the numbers
Speaker 10: and the ratings, I mean, three of the top four
Speaker 10: highest scoring teams or all had losing records. So as
Speaker 10: an example, like Las Vegas, they finished with the fourth
Speaker 10: best rankings, but they also were four and thirteen like
Speaker 10: the Patriots. Would you feel any better if we had
Speaker 10: the fourth highest rating? From the from the players. If
Speaker 10: they still finished four and thirteen, I don't know. And
Speaker 10: it's also a weighted average too. I looked, I look
Speaker 10: the the averages that's weighted, so like the head the
Speaker 10: owner was the highest weight, they give fifteen percent weight
Speaker 10: to that. So essentially, you know two and a I
Speaker 10: just look at numbs a little bit. They looked at
Speaker 10: two and a half times as much as they waited,
Speaker 10: like the families being taken care of, consider et cetera.
Speaker 10: So that really said a lot about negatively about craft.
Speaker 3: I thinks, well, again.
Speaker 2: Uh craft, let's see ownership here. Just to be clear
Speaker 2: of the D ownership was D. Team travel was f
Speaker 2: these guys. They're on a private plane. Let them go
Speaker 2: and work in the business world and see what it's
Speaker 2: like to be a road warrior and you're not flying
Speaker 2: on a team plane. I mean what happens is you
Speaker 2: get a little fat, happy and contented. And I just
Speaker 2: think there's a correlation between they were losing team and
Speaker 2: I think a lot of these players to look they
Speaker 2: can say what they want, okay, and maybe there's another
Speaker 2: team that has a better locker room, Maybe there's another
Speaker 2: team that has a better meal service. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I think the NFL and a lot of the
Speaker 2: major league sports, with the exception maybe of the Oakland A's,
Speaker 2: are pretty first class organizations, if you get my drift.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I don't disagree at all. And I think, honest,
Speaker 10: a lot of it is just because, like you said,
Speaker 10: they could kind of used to it. And I don't say
Speaker 10: spoiled as much because you know that's what they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a little factor there. They've been treated better
Speaker 2: in their young lives than you've been in your life.
Speaker 2: Whatever you do, I promise you, okay.
Speaker 10: No question. I think back that talent though, and look
Speaker 10: at the Bruins. For years they played out Rescucio and
Speaker 10: that was the worst with a joke of a rink
Speaker 10: for their off season training, right, but they made it
Speaker 10: work and they won a Cup when they were there.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's true. All right, Thank you, Sean, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: We had a lot of interesting viewpoints and that hour
Speaker 2: was a success, a success. I want to thank Lauri
Speaker 2: and Maureen who started us off that hour and the
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