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Speaker 1: Welcome Alice, thank you for joining spaces and I look

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forward to this discussion. And perhaps we could start by outlining,

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if you could outline what a f d's platform is,

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what are the main things you're aiming for, Where does

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Germany need change, and just to educate people who have

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never heard of a f D or IFD for German

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and a lot of people, especially in America, never heard of.

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Speaker 2: A f D, so perhaps this would be very helpful.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you very much Eland for having me and

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to give us opportunity to to openly speak about different matters.

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Let me just can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: I can?

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Speaker 3: Yes, perfect, perfect? To start with who we are the

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a f D is the alternative for Germany. It isn't

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a relatively new party founded eleven years ago during the

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course of the euro problems. So unfortunately I have to

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start when I shed some light on our party with

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the quite negative circumstances in Germany. Our country is a

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great country with highly motivated people, but our country has

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been governed not in a proper way. Within the last

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twenty twenty five years. We had the Angula Medical administration

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for sixteen years and then the so called traffic light

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coalision that imploded last year. Now we're heading elections. In

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my point of view, Angela Merkele, the first Green Chancellor,

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she ruined basically our country. She enforced without asking the people,

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She enforced to open our borders for illegal immigration in

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twenty fifteen. She ragged and destroyed our backbone in terms

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of obnoxious energy policy. For the foreign listeners here in

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this audience, Germany is the only industrial country, the only

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industrial country that unplugged the nuclear power plan. So the

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aim of Angela Merkele.

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Speaker 1: Was to.

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Speaker 3: Enforce just faller and wind energy. And you don't need

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to be very smart to encounter that. You cannot run

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an industrial country was just wind and solar because you

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don't have any energy and electricity when the sun doesn't

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shine and when the wind doesn't blow. And this is

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a major problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan of solar energy,

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but clearly if somebody, if a country is at a

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very high latitude, then the amount of solar power in

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the winter is going to be substantially reduced. And of

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course there's a significant difference in the day night cycle

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of energy usage, so a lot of a lot of

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power can be done with solar and with the large

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scale grid energy batteries, but it must be supplemented with

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other forms of power because there's not a lot of

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sunshine in the middle of point in Germany. So the

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solution obviously must be a multifaceted solution where there's certainly renewables,

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but also that that there does need to be some

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form of some amount of fossil fuel energy and and

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and especially in nuclear I think nuclears are very much underrated.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a tragic for Dominue to shut

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down the nuclear power plants. In fact, they're they're very

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well designed, and I think that the right move is

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in fact to increase the amount of nuclear power substantially

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in Germany.

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Speaker 2: This would be this would be great and absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, so that was the reason why I wanted

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to shed some light on the current situation, so in

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order to form my opinion what our parties stand for,

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because this is exactly what you said, we stand for

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an energy, energy supply, high diversification. We cannot run a

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industrial country like Germany with a strong still strong manufacturing base.

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To tell you the truth, our manufacturing production it peaked

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in twenty eighteen and it plummeted since then due to

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high energy costs, and you cannot run a country like that.

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So therefore we say, look, we need to be technology open,

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and we need to reinforce again nuclear power plants because

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nuclear energy supply is carbon free, right, so therefore we

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would also, yeah, we would also reduce our carbon footprint,

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which is obnoxiously very very high. And this is the

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entire irony about it. So our governments like the Angela

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Meagle government and the so called ridiculous traffic Light Coalition,

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they enforce a green policy upon our country that doesn't work.

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technology openess here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my recommendation, and I've said this publicly before,

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is that Germany should not merely reopen the nuclear power plants,

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but substantially increase the power generation in the same space,

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meaning without increasing the size of the nuclear power plant

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in any meaningful way, without increasing the amount of land

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area that it uses, you can dramatically increase the power

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output of a nuclear power station because the actual core

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part of the power station is extremely tiny. People don't

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quite realize just how small the center core of a

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nuclear power plant is it's like amazingly tiny, and so

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you can actually in the same land area, no increased

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land area dramatically increase the amount of nuclear power that

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any given nuclear power station is produce. Sing do you

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need a water source for for that to run the

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steam turbines? But but but really far more power output

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is possible than than people realize. And I think that

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the sensible solution is, uh, you know, renewables, but with

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with a lot of nuclear and then you know, to

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supplement where that there's there has to be some amount

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of hydrocarbon power generation to supplement where Yeah, just it

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just needs to be sensible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, But do you know what, just just just

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let me do just like one more example, because like

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like like wind turbines, wind energy in comparison to nuclear

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power supply is highly inefficient also in terms of land use.

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So for instance, I give one example just to shed

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some light on it. If you were to replace one

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nuclear power plant, let's say, like one like m Slant

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nuclear power plant here in Germany with an annual electricity

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production of ten billion kilovard per hour with modern wind

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turbines with a production of just eight million kilovart per

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hour per year. You would need one thousand, two hundred

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fifty wind turbines just to just to replace this one

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power plant and with a rotor diameter of seventeen meters

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and the minimum distance from large wind farms, you end

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up around with like one hundred square kilometers for example,

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this corresponds to half of the city major city of Stuttguart. Right,

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So this this entire thing, and just to just to

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just to stress the again, you don't need to be

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very smart just to do your calculation.

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Speaker 1: But our our energy, that's the crazy thing. The crazy

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thing is is like like a bunch of these these

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these energy questions you do not need to be like

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like a world leading physicist. Is very basic math, like

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high school less than high school level math, i'd say

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middle school math. Even it's it's very straightforward, not not complicated.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely. And then during during the crisis, like during

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the war sorry, yeah, so during the War of Ukraine,

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so our our our guest supply was just destroyed and

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that actually shed some light on our on our severe

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dependence on Russian gas. And do you know what, what's

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a gu and decided in this crisis when the energy

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price is skyrocked. After we were cut off of of

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of of cheap energy supply from Russia. They switched off

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the last nuclear power plant to even more create a

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shortage of energy. So either you must be very stupid

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or you just hate your own country, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's mostly the very stupid category. At least,

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I like things very suitable. I mean, there's there's all

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saying that, like once you never ascribe to malice that

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which can easily be explained by incompetence.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're perfectly right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I actually when I saw that Germany was turning

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off the pope plants after being cut off from gas

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supplies from Russia, I thought, this.

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Speaker 2: Is the craziest. This is one of the craziest things.

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen, just just when Germany most needs electricity

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during shutting down one of.

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Speaker 2: The best sources of electricity, which is nuclear power.

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Speaker 3: Crazy and completely carmon free.

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Speaker 2: Crazy crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So so I guess to summarize the I mean, the

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two main things that a FD is aiming for in

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terms of change is a sensible energy policy and sensible

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immigration policy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly so, but actually even more so, we would

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like so if I if if I may continue a

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little bit now it's a it's a elan, it's a

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complete news situation for me that that I just can

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have a normal conversation and I'm not interrupted on negative

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framed how that has been in the media the case

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in the last ten years, which is completely ridiculous. So

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what we what we also stand for since we are

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a conservative libertarian party, so at least we see ourselves

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like this, but we are extremely negatively framed as a

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so called extremist party by the mainstream media. So we

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just say, look, we need to reduce bureaucracy. We need

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to free our our firms, our companies, the individuals of

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the sub narches bureaucratic conditions here. Do you know, like

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how long it takes how many days it takes to

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get a business permit in Germany?

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Speaker 1: Just as it turns out I do, because we both, yeah,

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a big plan.

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Speaker 2: A gigantic class factory, you know, just near Berlin.

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Speaker 1: So we had many, many challenges, I mean, this is

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to be clear, like we actually had a lot of support,

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a lot of local support, a lot of local support

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from from from the local government, from the national government.

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Speaker 2: And despite all that support.

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Speaker 1: Just the sheer number of rules that you're, you know,

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the people in the government are required to follow is

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completely crazy.

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Speaker 2: And we had to I think it was twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five thousand pages, was our permit, and it had to

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be and it had to be all printed on paper. Yes,

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five thousand, and then there has to be many many

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copies made. So it literally was a truck of paper

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because we're like, surely we can make this electronic, you know,

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shouldn't isn't that better for everyone? You need to have

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the No, it has to be paper. I'm like, this

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is crazy. This is only a few years ago. It's

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not the distant past. I mean, it's like we're you know,

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we're well into that, we're, you know, a quarter of

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the way through the twenty first century. It's like, guys,

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let's just forty five thousand actual printed pages. And then

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I believe every page needed to be stamped with a

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physical stamp. I mean, honestly, it's it's going to really

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tire somebody out to do so much stamping.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're going to get some sort of repetitive

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stress injury.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna get a repetitive stress injury from having

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to stamp so many people stand up to the hospital

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or something. I mean, that's that's too much. So I'm

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not trying to blame the sort of individuals who are

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doing this time because they are just following the rules.

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to be I think in my view for you know,

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old countries, but especially countries that have enjoyed prosperity for

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a long time, it's extremely important to have what I

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call sort of garbage collection of rules, which is to

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re examine the rules and regulations and make sure that

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they are clearly a net good and if there's any

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doubt about the being that good, we should eliminate them

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because otherwise we get to this point where everything is

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illegal and so it's just absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Crazy, absolutely absolutely And it's not only about bureaucracy. It's

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also about taxes. Germany has the highest taxes of all

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OCD countries. So the normal German employee, he works half

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of more than half of a year for the state.

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so more than half of the year you work for

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this dysfunctioning state. Because like the state does not provide

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the vital, the vital provisions for the people here, so

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he doesn't provide for security, so we have like like

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skyrocketing criminal rights here. He doesn't care about education, so

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we have this same insane wokish leftish socialist agenda in

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our educational system. So the young people they don't learn

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anything in school, in university, et cetera. So they just

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learn about gender study and they yeah, and no, really.

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Speaker 1: Like the impression that Germany had had a pretty good

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education system that that was quite rigorous with you know,

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the gymnasium and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: At least they used to at one point.

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Speaker 1: So but it sounds like this says, I don't know,

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the work envirus has infected Germany quite badly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you have the the international standard of

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PISA testing, right, So the PISA survey, so Germany, like

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because because the survey showed that young people are not

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able to properly do maths or speak or write German

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and in some like in some states here in Germany,

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you have to imagine they just abolished the writing grades

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in terms to get the language grade right, so you

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don't need to write German properly anymore. Because our entire

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educational system has been deteriorating. And that is also the reason,

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for instance, why young people they vote for for US now,

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because they want to have a proper education and they

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want to have back a proper educational system that that

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that provides the young people with with the capabilities, and

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that is also the reason why I so my personal

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opinion is that we have to go back to a

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merit based system, right, So we need to go back

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to a merit based incentive system and go away from

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all this socialist gender things being in our educational system.

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The families and the parents they have the responsibility of

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their children, and the schools and the university they have

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the responsibility to give good education and that and not

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all this vote socialist nonsensical gender stuff.

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Speaker 1: Sure, no, absolutely, I mean, the whole point of going

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to school is to learn useful skills that help you

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in life, help you be productive and understand the world.

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And otherwise it's not a school, it's it's a it's

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just a propaganda institution.

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Speaker 2: True.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, well, I mean that makes makes a

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lot of sense, so let's see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe maybe I can just go on because

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I was I was just giving example of the educational

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system where the state fails because because because our state,

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the government collected the last year a record high of

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income text. So they collected like around like above one

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one trillion right of euros, so it is a record

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high tex But the state they cannot they cannot handle

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the expayer's money. So what do they do? So they

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just throw the money out of the window. For immigration

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in our social system for instance, So since twenty fifteen,

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just to give you some numbers and also the audience

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to have to have an idea what's going on here

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in Germany, so we had an influx of almost seven

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million people. Seven million people, but these are the officially counted.

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Speaker 2: So a million people. Wow, okay, so we have a.

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Speaker 3: Million people of influx since twenty fifteen, officially counted. And

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then because the people they just just another funny numbers.

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Our state allows people to throw away they passports before

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they cross our borders that are protected and controlled. So

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fifty seven almost sixty percent of the people coming into

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our country through open border, they throw away their papers.

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Why do they do that because once entered our country,

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our funny country, with this funny immigration policy, they cannot

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be deported anymore. So that's the reason why. So our state,

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our government, like the Anguelamerical government and the last one,

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they proclaimed a policy that everyone can choose to cross

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our border to immigrate into our social security system and

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cannot be deported afterwards because they threw away their passports.

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I mean, like, how insane is that?

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Speaker 1: Well, it is very insane, but that's exactly what's happened

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in the US. Yeah, I mean clearly there's there's you know,

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there's a sort of i don't know, a sort of

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far left agenda that's being pushed throughout Western civilization any

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any place they can go, because the exactly exact same

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thing was done in the US where and now they

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are sort of calling people illegal immigrants, they call them undocumented.

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And the reason they're undocumented is because they threw away

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their passport, just like you're talking about. In fact, if

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on the on the Mexican side of the border in

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the US, there's a giant pile of discarded passports and

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driver's licenses like a huge pile, because it's actually worse

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to come in with a passport than to come in

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with nothing. And then, just like in Germany, the the

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Democrat government then gives massive amounts of money and support

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to what they call undocumented But but then, but if

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they're undocumented, we actually.

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Speaker 2: Have no idea.

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Speaker 1: If they are a murderer, rapist, we have no idea

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because they are no documents, so we can't actually tell.

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And so as a result, there's been has been a

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massive influx of criminals into the US because and frankly,

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I mean, I'm wondering what's taking criminals so long to

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come here? I mean, this is a talk. I mean,

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America is a target rich environment. It's it's it's you know,

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the can in America. It's so easy to steal things

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in these wealthy neighborhoods. It's like the only thing that

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is going to slow down how much you can steal

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is is if you're back hurts from carrying out all

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the goods. You know, it's like because you're just like

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you're not a rubber You're just a moving company. So uh,

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you know, like it seems like all the world's criminals

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just come to America on that basis because it's such

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an it's much easier to be a career criminal in

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America than it is in other countries where there's not that.

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Speaker 2: Much to steal.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, so we've seen a massive increasing crime

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in the US.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, may I, may I ask a question. So I

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read I read that for instance, in California, by the way,

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I'm very sorry what's happening there. It's terrible, terrible, and yeah,

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it's terrible. But in the case of California that they

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just lifted the prosecution of theft because you have so

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many cases of theft, is it true?

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Speaker 1: Yes, The de factor situation in California is that theft

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is almost never prosecuted. It's maybe one or two, maybe

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one percent of the time is theft prosecuted. And and

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even when it is prosecuted, that the criminals are let

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out on bail immediately. So basically theft is legal in California.

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It's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah. Now, there was recently a

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referendum in California to to make to make a crime,

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to make stealing illegal again, which was and actually that

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was a very popular and it passed so because it

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was actually literally legal to steal anything under one thousand dollars,

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which means people could just walk into a store at

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one thousand dollars at a time and take out anything

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they want and if the if the storekeeper stopped them,

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the storekeeper would be arrested. So this is literally like

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the joker in Batman. It's like the criminals you know,

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are in charge and the honor citizens are arrested.

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Speaker 2: It's just completely insane. Now. Like I said, the people

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in California.

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Speaker 1: Did vote overwhelmingly to make theft illegal again, but astonishingly,

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the governor of California, Governor Newsom, he was against the

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making theft illegal, which is doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, but what what they're going to do is even

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though it is technically illegal again, they the sort of

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far left, will refuse to enforce it. So because because

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you really need two things for something to work.

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Speaker 4: For laws to work, you need you need both the

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law and you need enforcement of the law. And if

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you don't have if you so, I mean, this is

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something that George Soros really figured out. I mean, he's

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he's sort of brilliant, brilliant guy, but honestly very you know,

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anti human. In my opinion is that you don't actually.

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Speaker 1: Need to change the law, you just need to stop

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enforcement of the law, and and and that that does

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that does the trick. So so, but I think this

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there is somewhat of a reawakening in the US. And

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I think even in California people are tired of the

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tired of this, and they won't change. And I think

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that's that's really if you say, like what people are wondering,

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like why did.

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Speaker 2: Why why did Donald Trump win?

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Speaker 1: And it's and and it wasn't just a small victory

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in the U S elections this year. Uh, you know,

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President Trump won uh the electoral college. He also won

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the popular vote majority of the of the people. And

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that the House is Republican and the Senate is a Republican.

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What this says is the American people are demanding change.

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They're being very clear. And my recommendation too for the

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people in Germany is to do the same. If you

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if you're unhappy with the situation, you must vote for change.

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And that is why I'm really strongly recommending that people

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vote for a f D. That's my that's my strong recommendation.

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And I think this is simply the sense of Ale

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move and I think Alice Beetle is a very very

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reasonable person and hopefully people can tell just from this

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conversation like nothing outrageous is being proposed, just common sense.

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So in fact, as I've said publicly, I think only

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AfD can save Germany, and I just want to be

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very clear about that. Only a FD can save Germany,

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end of story. And people really need to get behind

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a FD and otherwise things are going to get very

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very much worse in Germany.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because because you rightly said there is a difference

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of making a law and then enforcing it. So now

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we have the situation in Germany where you have on

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the one hand, you have the a f D and

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on the other hand what's so called the Uni parties, right,

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the Uni Party consisting of all the others because because

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they stick together and no matter what they say, they're

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not able to implement to enforce the promises they're doing

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in every election, especially the Anguela Meracle party. Do you

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know that the chances are candidates. So I saw my

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running mate of the christ Democratic Party that it's wrongly labeled,

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for instance by the economists as a center right party.

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So in my opinion, it's a Leftish Green Party. But anyway,

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Angel America was the first Green chancellor we had here.

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So what he did is that he, by the way,

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just talking about interference, so I just look it up here.

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He called your interests, so your interest in German politics

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pushy and presumptuous and yeah, yeah, exactly, and Bill Gates,

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so that it was not a problem when Bill Gates

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actually tried to sell his m aaron a vaccination and

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not mentioning all the huge side effects on people's health,

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and no one takes responsibility about and the entire bluff

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and scam of wearing a mask, right, So it's unbelievable.

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And also that candidate was the christ Democrats like Fridrich Meertz,

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he warned the world about the consequences of voting for

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Donald Trump in October last year, so so so far

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for like foreign interferences, right, So it's unbelievable. It's really unbelievable.

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Like how Donald Trump was treated by German media and

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German politicians during his election campaign was unbelievable. And I

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mentioned that before in a Bloomberg interview. It created for me,

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it created physical pain to see that how he was

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disparaged like and his entire family. So yeah, so I

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feel very sorry for these people, just like, yeah, saying

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negative things. And now while we talk, one hundred and

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fifty bureaucrats of the European Union are watching us our

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conversation to enforce this ridiculous Digital Services Act that is nothing,

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nothing else than a censorship on free speech. But free speech, right,

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and you said it. Free speech is a precondition of

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democracy if you are not able to form a proper

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opinion and exchange opinions and ideas, and a democracy should

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be a competition of the best ideas right compromises.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Without freedom of speech, people are obviously not able to

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say what they want to say, and then they cannot

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make an informed vote. So if people are fed propaganda

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and have no access to what's really going on, then

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they can make an informed vote, and then that you

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don't have a real democracy. So that's why I say,

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you know, free speech is the bedrock of democracy. There

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must be free speech in order for people to make

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an informed vote.

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Speaker 2: So that's essential.

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Speaker 1: And you can sort of it's actually quite easy to

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tell who the bad guys are. It's like, who wants

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to shut down free freedom of speech? They are the

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bad guys. It's very clear.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And do you know what what what adult Hitler did?

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The first thing he switched off free speech. Yes, so

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he controlled the media, and without that he would have

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never been successful. Yes, exactly, never been successful.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what you do, yeah, no, exactly, it's that that

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was one of one of the first things he did

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was was to control the media and uh and imposed

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extreme censorship and uh and really what he was trying

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to do is shut down any pro semitic uh media,

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anything prosmatic or any defense of Jewish people was shut down.

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That's that's so, that's that's so we have, like you know,

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very few. You know, for those who who who want censorship,

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they should I think they should be careful what they

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what they asked for, because if once you institute censorship,

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it's only a matter of time before that censorship is

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turned on you and eventually they will censor you. And

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that's the that's the danger because people love to censor

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things they don't agree with, but they don't realize that

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one day that censorship is going to be turned on out.

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So absolutely, yeah, So I mean I mean you mentioned

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of course, uh uh, you know, Hitler and whatnot. Now

481
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,039
this a lot of the media wants to portray a

482
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,280
FD as far right, as somehow associated with Nazism or

483
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something like that. Perhaps you could address that that concern,

484
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because you know, people when they have sort of right

485
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,239
wing in Germany, they you know, naturally have a bit

486
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of a negative reaction.

487
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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yes, thank you, thank you for that question.

488
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:33,239
First of all, I would like to since I'm an economist,

489
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I would like to shed some light on the idea

490
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,000
when we talk about Hitler, on the idea of the

491
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national Socialists back then during the Third Night, the national Socialist,

492
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:55,280
as the word says, there were socialists.

493
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, nationalized industry. Is that crazy?

494
00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:59,519
Speaker 4: Yes?

495
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: Absolute. He was a communist and he considered himself as

496
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a socialist. So what they did they they they yeah,

497
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,519
they is a state funded than the private companies. And

498
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:23,280
then they asked for for Texas huge taxes. And then

499
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:29,719
also wait a second into us in the word now, yeah,

500
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:35,519
nationalize the entire industry. Yeah you said that before and

501
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:40,519
and and the biggest success, the biggest success after that

502
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:47,920
terrible era in our history, was to label Adolf Hitler

503
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:53,159
as right and conservative. He was exactly the opposite. He

504
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,079
wasn't a conservative, he wasn't a libertarian. He was a

505
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:04,639
communist socialist guy. So full stop, no more comment on that.

506
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,760
And we are exactly the opposite. We are a libertarian

507
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:14,280
conservative party. And see look at this during like now

508
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,599
like during the discussion of this terrible Hamas attack on Israel.

509
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:28,079
So only the Leftish Palestinians they criticize the policies here.

510
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:35,519
So you have a deeply vested anti Semitism within the

511
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:40,639
Leftish movement. And it was always that case why and

512
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,440
out of Hitler he also played with that. He played

513
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:49,000
with the envy of people. Jewish people have been highly educated,

514
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:54,239
very cultivated, and they were successful. There were wealthy people

515
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,960
back in Germany then, and then he enforced the envy

516
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:03,599
of the popular relation against these people, and it was

517
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,760
a socialist measure taken against them. Look at Stalin, look

518
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,119
at the Soviet Union under Stalin, the very same thing.

519
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:16,320
So he was nothing else and an anti Semitic socialist.

520
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,199
And we are exactly the opposite. We are a libertarian

521
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,920
conservative party. We are wrongly framed the entire time, and

522
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,559
we would like to free the people of the state.

523
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:33,960
I want to have independently thinking people self confident people.

524
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,079
I would like to have a state that is minimized,

525
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:44,360
minimized to his functions and letting the people having their

526
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,360
freedom of speech, freedom of wealth. Also like generating wealth.

527
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:55,239
With these obnoxiously high taxes the people, the state erodes

528
00:37:55,559 --> 00:38:00,039
the backbone of wealth, right, so the people are not

529
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:04,880
able to accumulate wealth that make them independent from the state.

530
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:10,840
So I would like to have independently thinking, well educated

531
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,960
people who have the freedom to form their own opinion.

532
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,440
I want to have strong leaders in Germany. I don't

533
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,760
want to have stupid week leaders as we had in

534
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,800
the last couple of years, because these people cannot think

535
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,280
straightly and they're a big danger. Look at the war

536
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,199
in Ukraine now. They're a big danger to our national

537
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:39,119
security and actually to the entire European security. This is

538
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:44,320
also my hope in Donald Trump and in you in

539
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,800
your administration, that you end that terrible war, this worthless

540
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:54,199
versus dying of young people every day, like as fast

541
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,039
as you can, because the Europeans they cannot. They're actually

542
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,440
given up on everything, like on a good military, on

543
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:08,039
a good negotiator, negotiation power that completely depend on the US.

544
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:13,159
In the sense of oh, the USA need to do

545
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:16,440
the entire job. We don't need to do anything. We

546
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:23,400
just escalate the entire conflict against Russia. It's very dangerous

547
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:27,480
what's going on here, and only you can you can

548
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:28,880
you can basically stop it.

549
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think President Trump is is gonna,

550
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,400
you know, it's going to solve that that conflict, I

551
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,480
think very quickly. As you point out, it's now been

552
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:43,079
in somewhat of a stalemate for a few years. And

553
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,199
all that's happened over the past few years is hundreds

554
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,519
of thousands of people dying but for no gains. And

555
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:55,239
the longer this conflict goes on, the more Ukraine weekends

556
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,000
relative to Russia. I mean, Ukraine is a much smaller country.

557
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:03,480
It simply cannot afford the lasses relative to Russia Russia has.

558
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, it's this.

559
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,199
Speaker 1: This is the longer the strikes one, the worst it

560
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is for Ukraine. And then you've got all these poor,

561
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:21,199
you know, men dying for nothing. Why so I hope

562
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,559
this can be this terrible conflict can be resolved quickly,

563
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:26,239
and I think it will be under President Trump.

564
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it will be great, actually, because this is our

565
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:34,920
note really like that the people here like many people

566
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,199
are anxious, and they're anxious for a very good reason,

567
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,920
I think, because this conflict, conflict has the potential to

568
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:51,679
escalate big time towards a nuclear exchange. And here the

569
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,519
European governments they have no measure, They have no strategy,

570
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:58,639
they have no red line, no storyline of their foreign

571
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,559
and security policy towards Russia, towards Ukraine. They have no

572
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:09,039
strategy to end that. And they don't have the military power, right,

573
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:15,559
so they underspand the budget to NATO for actually for decades,

574
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,039
like for for a very long time, like the average

575
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:23,679
for instance of Germany, because the share of GDP is

576
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:27,239
supposed to be two percent, so Germany on average, I

577
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:32,039
think it's just like slightly above one percent. So Germany

578
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:38,519
didn't contribute. But Germany is also not prudent of the

579
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:42,400
defendants of our own country. So this is the second thing.

580
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So we are we are, we are completely dependent on

581
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,000
the US. But I think, and I've listened to this

582
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:56,199
very interesting speech of JD. Vans. He said he doesn't

583
00:41:56,199 --> 00:42:00,760
want to he doesn't want to have client states, right, yeah,

584
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:08,320
so he wants to have independent states who who that

585
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:13,679
also form their own independent opinion on things. Right. So

586
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,639
you you you, for instance, in your companies, you don't

587
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:21,920
want to be surrounded by yes people and by mediocre people, right,

588
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:26,719
So me neither. I try to require Yeah, so I

589
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,960
try to also, I try to to to to have

590
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:35,159
the best people in my team. Uh. And these best

591
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:38,440
people they have the task to criticize me every day.

592
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,599
And I don't want to have yes sayers, right because

593
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:50,719
you cannot learn, so you have no correction. Yes, yes,

594
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:56,480
that's yes, yes people. No, but it's so but it's

595
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:58,800
so important yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, no absolutely.

597
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Speaker 1: I mean, for say, my companies like SpaceX and Tesla,

598
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:10,039
if you know, if if if we are constantly looking

599
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,960
for critical feedback, because if we make a mistake, then

600
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,719
the rockets blow up and the cars don't work.

601
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Speaker 2: So uh, you know, physics is very unforgiving.

602
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: You know, there's you know, I say, like, really, physics

603
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,960
is the law and everything else is a recommendation, because

604
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:28,199
I've seen people break every kind of law, but I

605
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,480
haven't seen them break physics. And so if you don't

606
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:33,719
get the design of the rocket and the opposite operation

607
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,760
of the rocket exactly right, and.

608
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,599
Speaker 2: If even one thing is wrong, the rocket explodes. So

609
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you know, that's what.

610
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Speaker 1: I'm a strong believer in seeking critical feedback, and in fact,

611
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,159
I think critical feedback should be viewed as a gift.

612
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so well no, no, but but

613
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,760
just just just to continue on that topic.

614
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 3: So if you don't have that feedback loop, so your

615
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:10,960
your rocket may explode. Right. But here in this critical

616
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:17,400
phase of this terrible war in the Ukraine, Ah, many

617
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,480
people may die due to the stupid policies that make

618
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people have diet.

619
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Speaker 1: Yeah indeed, yeah, so well, the story I touched on

620
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:31,679
some some maybe potential what people may view as hot

621
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,960
button issues like what are what are your views on Israel?

622
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Speaker 3: Oh? Very complicated the more really, like the more the

623
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,320
more I read about the Middle East and the situation

624
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,119
in Israel, the more complicated it gets. And to be honest,

625
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,800
I wanted to ask you about a potential solution because

626
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:00,760
to be honest, like in my humble opinion, I don't

627
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:08,239
see as a solution. So maybe maybe in Israel have

628
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:14,920
to find some alliances with the Sunni States, maybe if possible.

629
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,119
And yeah, to be honest, from my point of view,

630
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,679
like from my perspective, it's a very complicated situation and

631
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,719
I don't you know, I'm not this person. I'm not

632
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,719
a politician. If you ask a question that I do this,

633
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,519
blah blah blah, I really say what I think. To

634
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,760
do honest politics, and to be honest, I don't know

635
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:48,639
very like to be very frank, I don't know how

636
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:52,280
to solve the conflict at this point in time. And

637
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,719
I hope maybe you have an answer on that. Sorry

638
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,280
for for being dissatisfactory, but it's so comple picated, and

639
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:05,559
I want to give pudent answer, and in case of Israel,

640
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,239
I don't know how to resource this conflict. To be honest.

641
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:12,039
Speaker 1: Well, well, I guess maybe another way to say it is,

642
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,719
do you unercerfectly support the existence of the state of Israel? Yes,

643
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,800
of course, Okay, that's what people want to know. So

644
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:26,199
questions that seemed very obvious, but you know.

645
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, oh yes, now, no, I know I

646
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:35,199
see it this question. No, absolutely, So we need to

647
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:40,400
protect the existence of Israel, and we need to protect

648
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,239
not only the existence of the state of Israel. I

649
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,360
also think that Benjamin Natanyao have made many mistakes in

650
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,880
the past, to be honest, but we also need to

651
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,159
take our responsibility as a German nation state to protect

652
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,440
Jewish life, Jewish people in our country who are exposed

653
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:10,480
right now to uh to, to must Muslim crime. Right,

654
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:16,280
so they're not safe here anymore. So you I don't

655
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:22,639
know if you if you saw some videos here of

656
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,800
the streets of Berlin. I'm right now in my office

657
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,079
in Berlin. But like with all these demonstrations of the

658
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:38,039
Palestinians here, well, a Jew could not walk through the

659
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:42,960
street anymore, right, and we have have a huge potential

660
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:49,199
of anti Semitic crime against the Jewish people. And to

661
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,320
be very frank, to be very frank, here, the a

662
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,519
f D is the only protector. And I'm saying that

663
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,840
like very very frankly, the alternative FI Deutschland, the AFT

664
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:08,159
is the only can only be the only protector of

665
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,800
the Jewish people within here in Germany. Because the UNI Party,

666
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,880
all others parties, they did exactly the opposite. They led

667
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:22,239
like millions of people and they let do let them

668
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,440
do crimes on our streets, like the crime rate our skyrocketing.

669
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And so the Jewish people they leave our country. When

670
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I when I talked to my Jewish friends who live

671
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,039
in Germany and in Switzerland and in France and in Austria.

672
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:44,320
They were very afraid after the Hamas attack on the

673
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,400
seventh of October, because they were there. They were afraid

674
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:55,840
that they would likely to be attacked by by Palestinians,

675
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,239
by Hamas supporters, or by the Antifa, or by the

676
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,960
leftish or is, I don't know, but they were very afraid,

677
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:09,039
very sensitive going on the streets. And we we step

678
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:12,960
up for the people, even though the opposite in the

679
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:19,440
mainstream media, the opposite is claimed. But this is this

680
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,280
is this is not true. It's just a is just

681
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,760
a lie about our party.

682
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,039
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's That's what I wanted to just

683
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:32,199
make it clear that that the AFT is being massively misrepresented,

684
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,239
especially in the in the Western media. So yeah, and

685
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,760
you know, and and and no, obviously I very much

686
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,480
support the state of Israel, but I mean I also

687
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:47,199
believe that that we want to be mindful and and

688
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,159
have empathy for you know, civilians who are who are

689
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dying as well. Uh the you know, when I've had

690
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,880
conversations with the Prime Minister and the YAHOO and I think,

691
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,800
I say, pret largely agree. I mean, there's see, there's

692
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,360
there's really there's three steps, which is like you're there's

693
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,119
there's no choice but to eliminate those who wish to

694
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:15,199
eliminate the state of Israel, you know, most essentially. But

695
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then and and then the second step is to fix

696
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,320
the education so that uh, you know, people the palest

697
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,880
unions are not trained from when they are children to

698
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,400
to hate and want the death of Israel. So you've

699
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,280
got to fix the education system. And and then the

700
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third thing, which is also very important, is to make

701
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the palestinion areas prosperous. This is the third step is

702
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very important. And and this this may this is maybe

703
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the hardest step, which is uh, but you have to

704
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,960
have that third step. You have to bring prosperity. You

705
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,360
have to help rebuild, and you have to bring prosperity.

706
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And I've had this conversation with with many people in Israel.

707
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I said that third step is essential and and then

708
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,599
they've asked me, well when has this worked? And I'm like, well,

709
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:08,800
give you a very big example. You know, after World

710
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,119
War One, the Treaty of Versailles was extremely unfair to

711
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:16,320
Germany and it created a massive amount of resentment. And

712
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,480
the Treaty of Versailles laid the foundation with its extreme

713
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:26,400
reparations for laid the foundation of World War two. Without

714
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,119
the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler would not have succeeded. And yes,

715
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,400
and and so and then but if you look at

716
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,239
so so, then the lesson was learned. So then after

717
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:41,159
World War two, when Germany and Japan were defeated, UH,

718
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,599
the U. S. Actually helped rebuild Japan and Germany, providing

719
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:50,440
financial support to rebuild Japan and Germany. And now Japan

720
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,920
and Germany are allies. And and this is a very

721
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,559
important and fundamental lesson of history.

722
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:05,559
Speaker 3: Yes, you're absolutely right. When after the the Hamas attack,

723
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:12,159
I I just opened Google Maps to have a look. Okay,

724
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,719
what is the geographic situation there? And when you see

725
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:22,079
the Gaza stripe right, it's the Gaza stripe which is

726
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:30,039
just locked locked in with no resources and not even

727
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:32,920
water supplies, so there can be cut off a water

728
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:39,639
supply and and other supplies just like just just like instantaneously.

729
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:45,280
And this construction also like like just having a look

730
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,159
like from from a geographic perspective, you don't need to

731
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:52,800
be very smart that this is this is not going

732
00:52:52,840 --> 00:53:00,119
to work out and to make this area wealthy with

733
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:05,880
with specific measure being taken, King taken. It's a very

734
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,360
vital first step.

735
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it's essential.

736
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:16,559
Speaker 1: It requires overwriting the natural human instinct for reciprocity, which

737
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:19,280
is that you know, it's basically an eye for an eye,

738
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:21,760
you know. But the problem with that an I for

739
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,760
an eye is that if you keep doing that, an

740
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,719
iph and eye, as a saying goes an iPhone, ie

741
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,920
makes everyone blind. That's why I think there's great wisdom

742
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,639
to forgiveness. You know, you need both strength and forgiveness.

743
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,519
But this is the only way to stop the endless

744
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:41,360
cycle of violence.

745
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:47,119
Speaker 3: M hm. It's a very nice, nice sentence, like the

746
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:50,159
ipho and I makes makes everyone blind?

747
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. So yeah, so hopefully that that that can

748
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,840
be the future. That's the best future I can think of.

749
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,800
I think any there's there's not some other future. That's

750
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,119
that's that's that that works.

751
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 3: So so how about may I ask you another question?

752
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:20,199
Because we just jump topics, what is your point of view?

753
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:27,519
So so, so we stopped that your administration will end

754
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,679
the war in Ukraine very swiftly, but what is what

755
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,239
is your perspective on the instruments and measures that could

756
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,760
be taken? So would you like to talk about it.

757
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,920
Can you talk about it a little bit? So what

758
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,480
we could expect.

759
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: Well, this is to be clear, I mean this this

760
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,960
is up to President Trump. You know, here is the

761
00:54:56,199 --> 00:55:01,519
cinder in chief, and so it's it's really uh, you know,

762
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:03,519
you know, after him.

763
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: So I don't want I don't want to speak for him.

764
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,119
Speaker 1: So but but but I you know, I just I

765
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,840
do think that there's there, there is a path here

766
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:18,519
to a resolution, and but it does require strong leadership

767
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,320
in the United States, uh, in order to get this done.

768
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

769
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I'm confident that it can be done, okay,

770
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,599
And I do think it's possible to have peace in

771
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:36,440
the Middle East as well. These are these are possible,

772
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:40,239
so and I think that would be a great future.

773
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: For the world.

774
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, no, great, So it's absolutely fair. So

775
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,079
so very very fine with me.

776
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,679
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, let's see, are there any other topics we

777
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,679
should discuss or if you have any questions for me

778
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:03,719
or anything you think?

779
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:09,119
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely, because because because I want to ask

780
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:13,159
and many people are interested in that. So why do

781
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:21,679
you believe that flying to Mars and popular Mars is

782
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:29,360
your top priority topic? Space X? And when do you

783
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,119
think when will you be ready to have a human

784
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,559
expedition to Mars, if you, if you allow, if I

785
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:42,880
may ask this question, because everyone is interested. So these

786
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,440
are great projects.

787
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Well, I mean I think at a very

788
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:53,280
high level, I think sort of like, what what sort

789
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,480
of actions are going to lead to the long term

790
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:05,239
prosperity of civilization, you know, the sort of a growth

791
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,360
in the scale and scope of consciousness, you know, the

792
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,679
to the best of our knowledge, there we're we're the

793
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,599
only place with life, or certainly the only place with

794
00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:20,559
life that that is intelligent in some form. A lot

795
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:22,440
of people think, oh, this, there must be aliens, but

796
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,320
I've not seen any evidence of aliens. And if the

797
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,599
archaeological records are correct, you know, Earth is one a

798
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:34,320
half billion years old, but civilization as measured from the

799
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,519
first writing is only about five thousand years old, which

800
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:41,039
is about one million of Earth's existence. So we're all

801
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,360
of human civilization is a tiny flash in the pan

802
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,719
so far. And so we are to say, well, what

803
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,960
steps can we take to ensure the long term survival

804
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,119
of of life as we know of consciousness, and if

805
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:59,639
we are a multiplanet species, the probable life span of

806
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,559
conciousness is dramatically greater than if we are single planet species.

807
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,920
This is not to say that I think that that

808
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,320
Earth is about to die or anything like that, but

809
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,039
there is some risk, you know, if there is if

810
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:16,199
there is a global thermon nuclear war, or some extreme

811
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,039
natural event like a giant you know, media that hits

812
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:23,679
the Earth that causes a mass extinction event. I mean,

813
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:26,159
if we look at the fossil record, there are at

814
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,920
least five extreme mass extinction events that would have just

815
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:35,199
basically extinction events that would have destroyed all of humanity completely.

816
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:42,320
There's five of them at least, and so so I

817
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,719
think if we we should take this opportunity today because

818
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:49,280
for the first time in the four and a half

819
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,519
billion year history of Earth, it is possible to extend

820
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:57,559
life and to extend consciousness beyond Earth. And that window

821
00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:00,360
of opportunity may be open for a short or it

822
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,000
may be open for a long time, but just just

823
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:06,239
in case, uh it is open for a short time,

824
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:08,519
we must take advantage of this window.

825
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:15,599
Speaker 3: What is your time frame for for expedition, like for

826
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:17,840
the first first human expedition.

827
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, to be clear that what matters is not

828
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:27,719
so much the sort of flags and footprints, but the

829
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,400
establishment of a self sustaining city on Mars, where the

830
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:37,960
critical threshold is where the city can grow independent of Earth.

831
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:41,320
Meaning if the resupply shifts from Earth stopped coming for

832
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:47,000
any reason, that the that the the Mars colony does

833
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:50,559
not die out. That that's if we are able to

834
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:55,559
reach that point, then we have we have passed one

835
00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:01,280
of the very important and fundamental fermi Grate filters. You know,

836
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,519
there's this idea of like, well, why don't we see

837
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,400
evidence of it, of intelligence life.

838
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: Well that.

839
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:11,079
Speaker 1: There's this idea that there are these various great filtures

840
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:15,280
that that these civilizations never pass. And one of those

841
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,039
great filtures is never never going beyond your home planet.

842
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,719
So if we can pass the FIRMI a great filter

843
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,760
of being a single planet species. And to be clear,

844
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,280
if we are a single planet species, it is just

845
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,480
a matter of time before we are annihilated. One can

846
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:34,840
argue about how long it will take, but eventually there

847
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:40,719
will be something that happens that annihilates civilization. It might

848
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,719
be very foreign in the future, but we simply know

849
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,960
from the fossil record. As I mentioned that there have

850
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,920
been at least five mass to natural extinction events, and

851
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,400
I think there's there's added risk for humans that we

852
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,360
could destroy ourselves because the dinosaurs did not have the

853
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:04,159
manuclear weapons, so they also didn't have spaceships. So we've

854
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:08,559
got we've got the risk of of the minuclear war

855
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:11,360
that could destroy everyone, but we also have spaceships that

856
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:17,599
can make life multiplanetary and so the But to answer

857
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:21,159
a question more directly, I think we can send uncrewed

858
01:01:21,199 --> 01:01:24,480
starships to Mars in approximately two years.

859
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: So Earth and Mars are to be Earth and Mars.

860
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:34,039
Speaker 1: Align for planetary transfer roughly every month, every two years,

861
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:39,800
every twenty six two years, two years. Yes, So the

862
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,719
Earth obviously takes a year to go around the Sun,

863
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:47,079
Mars takes approximately two years, and obviously one cannot go

864
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:49,039
to Mars when it is on the other side of

865
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:52,719
the Sun from Earth. So have we have to wait

866
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,039
for when Mars is in roughly the same quadrant of

867
01:01:56,079 --> 01:02:01,320
the Solar System as Earth, and that occurs uh for

868
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,880
about six months every two years, and the optimal transfer

869
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,840
window is typically just a few months. So for a

870
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,719
few months every two years or every twenty six months,

871
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:14,280
you can you can transfer to Mars.

872
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 2: So so we're.

873
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:19,679
Speaker 1: Currently there's currently a Mars transfer transfer window, which means

874
01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:22,039
that the next one is in two years from now,

875
01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:26,079
and then there will be another one two years after that.

876
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:28,079
So for the one in two years, I think we

877
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:31,960
can send uncrewed starships to land on Mars to to

878
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:38,440
test that we the landing systems are working properly. We

879
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:40,800
want to make sure that we don't, you know, add

880
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:51,119
add more craters to Mars. Yeah, uh yeah, the crater

881
01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:57,119
account increment must be zero. And so once we prove

882
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:00,800
better is safe to land, then if I like, for

883
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,000
all these shops we send in about two years land

884
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:06,440
safely and we think we understand the issues, then in

885
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,239
principle that in about four years you could send the

886
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:14,440
first people and then then well the number of ships

887
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,840
can expand exponentially from the From that point I mean

888
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,559
as as a rough order of magnitude, my guess is that, uh,

889
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:25,800
we need to transport about a million about a million

890
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,920
tons of cargo to Mars to make it self sustaining.

891
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:32,679
You know, when things are very uncertain, I think if

892
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:35,159
you can even guess to within one order of magnitude,

893
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:38,159
you're doing quite well. So I suspect probably one hundred

894
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:41,039
thousand tons is maybe not enough and hopefully we don't

895
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:44,639
need ten million tons. So therefore my guess is hopefully

896
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:47,239
a million tons is enough to make million people or more.

897
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: So that's that's really what matters.

898
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: The critical threshold from the standpoint of a fundamental branching

899
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:58,440
of the future of civilization.

900
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:01,719
Speaker 2: Is is that.

901
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: That point of reaching on Mars, where Mars can grow

902
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,840
by itself, even if resupply shifts from Earth stop coming.

903
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,320
At that point, the future of civilization branches and to

904
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,599
a good branch, and the probable lifespan of civilization is

905
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:22,519
dramatically greater. And my guess is that there will be

906
01:04:22,679 --> 01:04:26,920
cases where the future Martians actually come and help and

907
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,800
rescue Earth. And you know, when there is an emergency,

908
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:34,199
you know, just as America has helped to rescue the

909
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:35,800
rest of the world in World War one and two

910
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,960
and the Cold War, And you know, where would the

911
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,159
world be if not for America helping out in those

912
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:48,320
three circumstances. So I think that there's a good chance

913
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,800
Mars helps save Earth at some point in the future,

914
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,360
maybe many times. And then once we have a civilization

915
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,320
of Mars, we can expand to the rest of the

916
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:04,039
Solar System, to the you know, the larger asteroids like CERAs,

917
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,920
maybe to the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and beyond

918
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,280
at least through the rest of the Solar System. And then,

919
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:14,119
you know, and then and then we go from being

920
01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:17,079
hopefully a multi planet civilization to at some point a

921
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:20,440
multi stellar civilization, and we're out there among the stars,

922
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,679
and then we can try to find out what is

923
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,840
the nature.

924
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: Of the universe.

925
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: You know, perhaps perhaps when we go to and visit

926
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,599
these far away star systems, we will discover the remains

927
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:39,639
of long dead alien civilizations. I think that would be

928
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,360
incredibly interesting. But Pusher, it will greatly improve our understanding

929
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:48,280
of the nature of universe. Dramatic person, Yes, so, and

930
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,400
and things like the time skills are just remarkable to

931
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,920
think about. In physics suggests that the universe is about

932
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:00,559
thirteen point eight billion years old. And I mean, even

933
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:05,159
the elements in our body that aren't hydrogen, that that

934
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:08,000
they like in any heavier elements had to be formed

935
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,639
in in the center of a star.

936
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,599
Speaker 2: And so the you know, the a.

937
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: Large part of our body was actually formed in the

938
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:18,840
in the center of a star, and that star exploded

939
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,239
and then the elements recondensed. Ultimately billions of years later

940
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:30,559
to form Earth and humans. So but just so when

941
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,760
you think about these time scales that were really remarkable

942
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:37,440
to think about. But a civilization that lasted a million

943
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,519
years so our civilization, you know, like I said, I

944
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:42,599
think a good metric for saying what when does the

945
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:44,199
civilization start?

946
01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 2: I think is maybe writing.

947
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:48,239
Speaker 1: You know, that's if you're going to pick anything, I'd

948
01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:53,760
pick that that's only five thousand years ago. So so

949
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,360
for civilizations, like I said, last and incremental million years,

950
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,559
that's that's an enormous amount of time as compared to

951
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:05,480
the length of human civilization, but it's very small compared

952
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:08,519
to the age of the universe. You'd have to go

953
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:11,280
three digits past the decimal point of thirteen point eight

954
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:16,280
million years just to increment one million years. So I

955
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think we may find when we go out there and

956
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:21,639
explore these star systems that there were alien civilizations. Maybe

957
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they lasted for millions of years, much longer than we've lasted.

958
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And I think any civilization that can last a million

959
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years is going to be in the hall of fame.

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Speaker 2: This is this is an incredibly long time.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, and I think, as you know, for humanity,

962
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we don't want to be one of those lame one

963
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planet civilizations, Like you know, any self respecting civilization should

964
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have at least two planets.

965
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Speaker 2: So that's that's what we should aim for.

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Speaker 3: Wow, if you so, you just said that the human

967
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body prices of elements of an exploit and then reordered elements. Right,

968
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So do you do you think that this coincidentally happened

969
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or do you believe in God? I'm just curious because

970
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because because many people say, Okay, this cannot have been

971
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:30,520
a coincidence, that cannot write. So it just could have

972
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been God. So do you believe in God?

973
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm open to be living in things proportionate to

974
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:44,720
the information that I receive. So so, I mean, I

975
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,119
guess I have sort of a physics view of reality,

976
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:52,720
which is, you know, you know, I guess I'm trying

977
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:53,239
to try.

978
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to.

979
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Speaker 1: Understand the universe as much as possible, to understand what's

980
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going on.

981
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Speaker 2: I'm certainly open to the idea of God.

982
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Speaker 1: And if you say, like, well, where did the universe

983
01:09:02,119 --> 01:09:03,479
come from?

984
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 2: How is it created?

985
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 3: What?

986
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:12,079
Speaker 1: I suppose there would be some entity that that you

987
01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:17,039
could call God, I would I don't know, but but

988
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:19,600
there's that's a separate question from say, is is there

989
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,359
some actual that is observing our daily actions and rendering

990
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,840
rendering a moral verdict on what we do from day

991
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,880
to day. That doesn't appear to be the case, because

992
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:32,960
you know, at least there's some very evil things that

993
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,560
happened in the world, and if if there's someone observing

994
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,439
us on a moral basis continually, then it does seem

995
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,159
odd that some very evil things are allowed to occur.

996
01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 2: But but maybe that is the case. I don't know.

997
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Speaker 1: I just I try to form my opinions based on

998
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:54,520
what I learned, and as I learned moreh I aspire

999
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,880
to change my views to match what I learned.

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Speaker 3: M hmm, yeah, same year. To be honest, I'm still

1001
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:09,640
on a search and I I don't know what to believe.

1002
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So it's called maybe a agnostic and yeah, but it's

1003
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very interesting to see how how the world and also

1004
01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:27,640
the universe evolved, and yeah, it was it was incredibly

1005
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:33,039
interesting to listen to your visions and yeah, it's it's

1006
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:36,680
quite a vision for for for every one of us.

1007
01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that what I have is a

1008
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philosophy of curiosity. So I'm curious about the nature of

1009
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the Universe. And I would say I subscribed to the

1010
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,560
Douglas Adams school of philosophy that was described in the

1011
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Hittigers Guys in the Galaxy, you know, and dur in

1012
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,479
that book, the Earth was sort of a giant computer

1013
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,640
that was trying to answer.

1014
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Speaker 2: The question what is the meaning of life?

1015
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Speaker 1: And then it comes back with the forty forty two

1016
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and they're like, what does forty two mean? And it's well,

1017
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it's actually the answer is the easy part and the

1018
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:12,439
question is the hard part.

1019
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Speaker 2: So you know, that was actually quite.

1020
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Speaker 1: An illuminating thing for me because that had sort of

1021
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an existential crisis when I was twelve or thirteen about

1022
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the meaning of life. And you know, I read I

1023
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:31,000
read many the religious texts and the books on philosophy.

1024
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You know, it's like reading shop Now a niche and whatnot,

1025
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which is a bit depressing if you're to read as

1026
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a child, but you.

1027
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Speaker 3: Know why, well why they're a bit negative, so.

1028
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: At times, you know, it's actually it makes more sense

1029
01:11:52,039 --> 01:11:55,279
reading it as an adult. But then I read the

1030
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hit Tracks Guide to the Galaxy, which is really a

1031
01:11:57,039 --> 01:12:00,119
book in philosophy in the form of humor, and and

1032
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:04,760
I think it kind of really that that I thought

1033
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was very insightful, that that we should basically try to

1034
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understand the nature of the universe and in fact understand

1035
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even what questions to ask about the answer that is

1036
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the universe. And so that led me to conclude that

1037
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we should aspire to expand the scope and scale of

1038
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:27,039
consciousness so that we're better able to to know what

1039
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:29,840
questions to ask about the nature about the answer that

1040
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,159
is the universe. So we should we should just seem

1041
01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:36,760
to take the set of actions that lead to a

1042
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great understanding.

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Speaker 2: Of the universe.

1044
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 3: Wonderful. Actually, these are these are perfect last words to

1045
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:52,880
be honest for all conversation because because because I don't

1046
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:57,960
know right now, like what to what to continue, because

1047
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he said, well really because these words are so beautiful,

1048
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so I would just like screw it up. And it

1049
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was wonderful. It was very It was wonderful talking to

1050
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you and listening to your views of mankind and also

1051
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,800
to to to have an idea of your vision. It's

1052
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very visionary. And yeah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's been a pleasure speaking and I hope where

1054
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people listen to this conversation and find it helpful.

1055
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Speaker 2: All right, thanks everyone, Thank you

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Bye, thanks,