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them with you, and you know, maybe this might apply
to some of you, or maybe some of you might
have had these questions yourselves and are just kind of
wondering what the answers might be. And this is a
really good one. This is coming from Sally Inn and
she's in Austin, Texas, and she is My question is
I have a one year old dog who loves to
play tugawar My husband plays pretty rough with her and
she seems to really enjoy it. This mote her to
not want to give up something in her mouth when
asked to. When recently I tried to get a ball
from her, she ran the ball is because the tug
awards that well. Interestingly, Sally, and that is a great point.
There are many toys that are actually developed for two
people to play. I say, there are different types of
toys that we give our dogs. There are toys that
are interactive. Those are toys that when the dog sees it,
they know that they're going to be playing with you.
And then there's some toys that they can actually play
with by themselves that sort of keep themselves busy. As
a matter of fact, one way to prevent what we
call separation anxiety is when you have toys that they
immediately know when they see that toy that you're going
to play with them. It's probably a good idea not
to keep those toys around when you're gone, because if
you have a dog who's a little bit suffering from
separation anxiety and they see that toy, they might start
wondering where you are. They're gonna be thinking about you,
and that's going to start the problem. The other problem
with tug of war toys, however, and it really depends
on the dog, is before you play a tuggal war game,
you have to set the ground rules, and those ground
rules are whatever words you want to use, drop it,
leave it, let go.
Speaker 3: The dog has to learn to let go.
Speaker 2: So you're fine with playing those games, but as you
play for the first time second time, they have to
know to let go. And of course, obviously, especially a
puppy is not going to really want to let go
when it's playtime unless they're going to get something even
better than your attention and some playtime in exchange, which
usually means lots of hugs and kisses or often and
I'm okay with it. I think in moderation, maybe a
little food reward again depending on the dog. Dogs that
are very food motivated, use that to your advantage and
they can get a little bit of treat. And then
what I recommend is you're training them that even after
they let go, you have the toy back, they get
the little treat and then go immediately and start playing
with them again. But this way, when that picks up
your expensive shoes or something that was left out by
one of the kids that was not meant to be
a toy, that when you go over to them and
say drop it, let go, they will drop it. Otherwise
they're gonna think that every time they put something in
their mouth and you go to.
Speaker 3: Grab it, oh good, it's playtime.
Speaker 2: We're gonna play tug or again. And that's something you
really really need to avoid. So sally Anna, hope that
answers your question. When you have a chance, why don't
you send us a little mail back and let us
know what whether this is working and how otherwise well
behaved your young puppy is and if you're fering any
other problems, then the short let us know here at
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at Ask the Vets with doctor Jeff, or send me
an email at Drgeff at petliferadio dot com. So here's
another email that came in. This is from Tanya, and
this is from Westchester County, New York. She has a
six year old Labrador named Corey and appears to be
very healthy and happy. We play for thirty minutes every
morning before I go to work, but lately she appears
to be drinky a lot of water, a lot more
than she ever did it before. One of my friends
told me she might have diabetes. I've never heard of
a dog being diabetic. Is it possible and if so,
what should I do?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Tanya, Dogs and cats, by the way, do get diabetes.
Dogs seem to get type one diabetes, which is similar
to our juvenile onset diabetes. These are diabetes that are
what we call insulin dependent diabetes. Cats, on the other hand,
seem to get type two diabetes. Type two diabetes is
going to be the diabetes that is often sometimes more
diet related, often non insulin dependent, meaning it might be
you might be able to control this with medication and diet.
And this is typically the type of diabetes and people
get later in life, especially people that are overweight. And
the current theory when it comes to cats is that
many of these cats are getting type two diabetes because
of how and what we feed. And we'll get to
that in a minute. So yes, absolutely, a six year
old dogs starting to drink water, one of the conditions
that we are thinking about would be diabetes. Another one
is Cushing's disease that is an over secretion of the
adrenal gland. Another one could be just kidney early kidney problems.
These dogs end up the kidneys start to lose their
ability to concentrate urine, which then leaves these dogs thirsty
because you're urinating out more liquid than they normally do,
and of course their body, their brain says, hey, we
need to replenish all the water we're losing, so let's
drink more water. So I think that the key really
is that we're going to have to go ahead and
have your vet see your dog, and you need to
test for diabetes, amongst other things. They'll do a blood test,
they'll do your analysis and they can rule in or
rule out things like diabetes, things like kidney problems, and
certain clues that might indicate cushings. A basic blood test
by itself is not enough of a test to go
ahead and diagnose cushings, but it will lead us in
the direction to do one or two different tests to
then rule in or rule out cushions disease. So those
are some of the diseases we have to think about.
So yes, I would say, have Corey checked out, buy
her veterinarian, make sure everything's okay, and it'd be great
if you get got back to us and let us know. Now,
let's talk cats for a second. Many of us, and
myself included with my many multiple cat household often likes
to feed our cat's dry food because we've been told
that a dry food is good for the teeth. It
gives them some crunch, it's not bats and often cats
are like to free feed. You don't want to leave
wet food in a little feeding bowl a food bowl
all day long if they're not in the mood to eat,
whereas dry food is totally fine, you can go ahead
and leave that in a bowl. The problem is is
that one thing that separates differentiates the cat from the
dog is that dogs are omnivores more like we are.
They can eat everything by which is everything, but they
can eat grains, they can eat different meats, they can
eat soy. They can get their protein sources from sources
other than meat. Cats, on the other hand, are obligate carnivores.
Cats need meat. Well, when we go ahead and feed
many of our cats dry kibble, we are feeding them
often more carbohydrates than their bodies need, and that does
affect the pancreas and the pancreatic secretions which then can
ultimately in time predispose these cats to type two diabetes.
So some recommendations that we have now made, and let's
talk about the whole theory, which I think is kind
of funny about feeding dry food.
Speaker 3: This is cats and dogs.
Speaker 2: Now, if any of you have had cats that have
hairballs and vomit hairballs, you might see along with the hairball,
you might see a cylindrical shaped clump of food and
often dry food. And if you look carefully at the food,
and usually most cat foods are little pellets or a
little you know, small shaped pellets of sort, whether around
or up long or whatever, you're gonna actually see unchewed
pellets in the vomitus the same way it went down,
which tells you what, despite the fact that we're feeding
our cat's dry food because we hope they're going to
chew and it's going to help their teeth, what it
boils down to is they don't chew it anyway.
Speaker 3: They swallow it a whole.
Speaker 2: So don't kid yourselves in thinking that you need to
feed dry food because you want these cats to have
good teeth. Another thing that I find very interesting, and
this relates to cats and dogs, is that as we
know if we watched dogs eat or cats, and even
knowing from a developmental standpoint what the different teeth are for,
we clearly know that the little teeth on top usually
six on the upper lower between the fangs, those are
the fangs of the canines. Even in cats we call
them canines, we have six and sizers top and bottom. Incisors,
by the name implies, are for cutting. Now, when you
really think about it, in today's domesticated pet, how many
of our pets need to cut for their food.
Speaker 3: Not many.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the canines. Those are the four fangs.
Those developmentally and nature are for tearing. They would actually
dig into a carcass or this coat, the skin of
an animal or a hide and literally rip it. Or
for big pieces of meat, hunks of meat, they would rip.
That's what the canines are for. Again, when you think
about how we feed and treat our pets today, we
don't really have our animals tearing for their food. Now,
let's go to the back teeth. These are the premolars
and the molars, and these are the chewing teeth. These
are the teeth that they're actually using to chew their food,
to break down the big food pellets, the crunchies, the bones,
the gnawing, etc. Well, So, now logic would have it
that if, in fact, our dogs and cats are using
their premolars and molars to crunch the dry food that
we're giving them, to crunch, the bones that we're giving them,
the toys that they're gnawing on, etc. The nylon bones,
you name it, wouldn't you expect these teeth to be
the cleanest teeth in the mouth.
Speaker 3: Of course you would.
Speaker 2: But guess what, when we look at an animal's set
of teeth to determine whether or not they are developing tartar.
Which teeth do you think have the most tartar? It's
the premolars and the molars. So so when you think
about it, after all this work that we're doing to
try to make sure our pets teeth are healthy, it
turns out that we're still going to have to have
professional cleaning. So don't knock yourselves out. Feed your cats
a little bit more canned food, and let's see if
we can do a better job with maintaining or stopping
the possibility of TYE two diabetes.
Speaker 3: So we have a collar on the line. Caller. You
are here with doctor Jeff. Who's this? This is?
Speaker 4: How are you do?
Speaker 3: Oh? Hello, Arden Moore? How are you?
Speaker 4: I've popped in a little late. Sorry, Oh, no problem
of your show. And I love to do whatever I
can to support you. So I have a question for you.
Speaker 5: Sure, Okay.
Speaker 4: I'm walking my two dogs. I have a sixty pound
dog and a twelve pound dog, and I'm wearing a
waste leash belt, and I'm walking my friend's little twelve
pounds poodle neck and one of my not so good
neighbors has her door wide open and bounding our way
is a fifty pound sixty pound lab neck and I
was able to use a little like very I mean business,
then get the dogs away. But it's chilling that people.
What do we do with people that a leave their
doors open or B think that their dog is so
special that they don't need to be on a leash
when all the other dogs are on a leash. It
seems to me that the dogs, my dogs have a
sign on them that says bite me because they're on leashes.
So I averted a very scary situation. But I didn't
know if you had some advice for us when we're walking.
We just want to walk our dogs.
Speaker 2: And right, well, first of all, a couple of things,
and they said, that's a great point. And I just
actually had this legally just so people know. And I
guess it might differ different municipalities. But like you said,
you avoided a potentially dangerous situation. But if this dog
had in any way shape hurt one of your dogs,
by law, they would be responsible for everything. And people
have to realize that a dog off leash is a danger.
It's dangerous for them as well. And here's the you
were on obviously on a sidewalk in front of this house,
all right, right, I'm on.
Speaker 4: A sidewalk, I have six foot leads on my pets,
and I'm enjoying the day.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Let's say this poor labrador, if you were on the
other side of the street, do you think that dog
would have hesitated for a moment to run into the
street to do the same thing. So it's so dangerous.
And people that have kids know they put up baby gates.
If you have a swimming pool, you put a gate
around the pool. Well, it's no different when you have pets.
And it's a really good point that people have to
realize not only are they legally responsible, but they're morally
responsible not only to the other pets out there, but
to their own pets. Because I guarantee that if that
dog ran out and hit by a car, this owner
would be devastated. And we know if this was a
labrador and I wasn't there to see, and you know,
because you're really good with dogs, it was this dog
running out to play or was this dog running out
to kill? If it was a you know, labradors, you
know oftentimes see other dogs.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, a friend is a friend's play, Let's
go play.
Speaker 4: He looked like he was going to be a typical
Marley moment, you know, hiy hi, And I'm looking at
the hackles of my Husky Golden Retriever popping up, getting
in that tight mode like crap.
Speaker 3: I'm on the sea.
Speaker 4: It comes goofy and you know, I'm thinking, oh, and
I had the two little dogs and it's normally a
quiet neighborhood, but I also had this thing a pet
correct with me, which this does a burst of air.
Speaker 3: Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 4: And I don't know why I thought. I don't normally
walk three dogs, but I thought, well, I'm going to
feel like a gunslinger and put it on my little
waist leash and I sprayed it and the dog it
was enough to disrupt the dog going huh, what's going on?
And I'm like, oh, right now, I said get home.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. That's great.
Speaker 2: And by the way, your tone is fantastic and people
have to learn how to do that.
Speaker 3: That a lot of dogs.
Speaker 2: And you can avoid situations like that by really having
that deep growl voice because dogs understand that they know
that no tone because another dog might use that on
them as well. And I think it's a great thing.
Also just as a caution for those of you that
use retractable leashes, be really careful, because here's a perfect
situation where if you're not quick on that draw and
you know how to lock that thing really quick, that dog,
your dog is going to take off and you know
that leash can extend beyond a distance that you can
do what Arden just did and stop an oncoming dog.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad you're saying that. I think retractable leashes
need to be in the trash because you're no longer
walking the dog. Right the dogs walking you. There's no
companionship between you and your dog.
Speaker 3: I'm right. They get far ahead and they can be
very very dangerous.
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I want to take a quick commercial break and I
have a question for you. Something we talked about this morning.
Speaker 3: You missed it.
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Speaker 3: Well, welcome back to everybody.
Speaker 2: You're here with doctor Jeff warber On asked the Pets
with Doctor Jeff, And we have a very special guest,
one of my favorite Art Bore, who you I'm sure
know very.
Speaker 3: Well from pet Life Radio, who joined us today.
Speaker 2: We just talked about a situation where Arden was out
walking dogs with a waste leash and a dog ran
out of the house another dog, a large Labrador type dog,
off leash and it could have been disastrous. Fortunately it wasn't.
And while we have Arden on the phone, Art, we
had an email we talked out earlier today about playing
tug war with an impressionable puppy and you know, dogs
love tug war, so we were talking about the pros
and cons and giving some ideas and why don't you
share with us, you know, some of your thoughts about this,
You know, when you're dealing with something that the dogs
love to do. But then again, we need to make
sure that they learn that you know there is an
end to this game, and might they pick up something
we don't want them to play with, like you're very
expensive lubiton shoes that they have to learn.
Speaker 4: From all of those. I have a whole lot of those. Yeah,
you know, I think there is kind of a bad
rap people if they just think about it, they think, oh,
tig of War, it's a bad deal. But actually you're
tuning into what is a game for dogs. They're used
to doing that and they have fun, but they just
have to have certain teg of war rules that make
so that you control the situation. I have a sixty
pound bone Retriever Husky who plays tigle War with me.
I'm five foot one and a half and I win
the game, which is fine. And I start the game,
I end the game. I intersperse little commands like drop it,
leave it, wait, okay, go, and so I'm controlling the
rules the pace, and what you're doing is you're still
giving the dog the ability to have that fun, but
you're sneaking in good doggy manners like believe it command
but drop it. And when you do that, she plops
right down. Doctor Jeff. It's hilarious. Williams. She's sound like
I'm ready, I'm ready to start again, and so I'm
conditioning her that a lot of fun happens. But you're
calling the shots and then you always end the game
and you say I'm game over, and you do something
with your hands, something consistent, and then you you distract
them with a walk or give them a treat or something,
so they're getting it. Okay, we played this for a while.
You know, my pet parent will tell me when it's over.
But man, was that fun, right, you know?
Speaker 3: And that's a good point.
Speaker 2: First of all, thank you so much because I think
you clearly mirrored my response today, and that is I
do love it.
Speaker 3: My dogs love it.
Speaker 2: They play with each other, so why not, you know,
play with us. But again, we have to teach the
ground rules and that's important thing to start. And I'm
also glad you said because I'm you know, I know
a lot of the trainers that have differences of opinion
when it comes to and I'm gonna clear really say
this in very in moderation food rewards early in the game,
because I think dogs are let's face it, that many
of them are food motivated. And when you wanted to
get them do something that has to be a good reward.
And you know, we would all love to think that
that pat on the head is enough, but I think
we have to teach them that the pat on the
head sometimes does and sometimes doesn't come with a food
of little reward.
Speaker 3: But they will do it all the time waiting. And
it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: There was a study, and this is a psychology study
done on rats. Now I'm not saying the rats are
just like dogs, clearly, but here was a study. Rats
would hit a lever and every time they hit a
particular lever, either.
Speaker 3: Food was given.
Speaker 2: Every time food was given and then stopped, never again,
just giving it a little bit at the beginning, or
randomly throughout the test given sometimes it every tap of
the lever. Sometimes they'd go five without, but the sixth
one would have it, Then the third one would have it,
then the tenth one would have it. Now which group
interestingly consistently hit that lever the most, It was the
random one. When it comes every time they get bored,
they get stuffed, they don't want to eat anymore, they
stop playing.
Speaker 3: If it comes to.
Speaker 4: Vegas, I mean, if you exactly flat and every time
you got a quarterback, all the casinos would shut down
in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Right then you have the ones that started at the
beginning for a few times and then never again. Well
after the thirtieth or fortieth there they say the heck
with this game. I'm not getting any threats here, so
they leave. But the ones where it's coming sporadically and
you never can predict when it is, they keep coming
and coming, and you know they finally after the fifth
one they get that reward, they go, oh, this is great.
Then they get one, Oh my god too later like
like like our just said, that's the second you know,
second quarter, right after you want a few, you're gonna
do it again. Then you oh my god, you go
ten without a win, and then the eleventh when you win.
And that's what keeps them coming. So I am a
fan as long as you are. And one thing that
dogs don't recognize. Dogs don't recognize volume in the sense,
but I mean is that when they're being food reward treated. Okay,
whether you give them an eighth of a piece of
a little hot dog, I mean I have a little
teeny hot dog, you know, segment or the whole segment,
they're gonna be equally as excited. What's the difference. The
difference is if you give them a whole piece every time,
they're gonna finally get bored because they're gonna get stuff. Now,
I am a hoggingdes freak. Now if if I.
Speaker 4: Believe that you're in such good shapes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I if I had a pint every time
I went to the freezer, I probably after the seventh fight.
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: After the second fint, I'd be stuffed to the brim.
Speaker 3: But when I just go and have just a spoonful,
oh my god, do I want another spoonful? So I
think it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: So, yes, dogs, I'm okay with treats, but in moderation,
do you agree?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm one bite swallow rule and sometimes praise and
sometimes two bite swallows because they don't know am I
getting one or two? But if they keep chewing and
chewing and chewing, then they're not focused on what you
are working with them on and they can have more
wattle than wiggle, and you know, so then you've got
to deal with what weight problems. So we have a
whole ritual here at the Furry fab for household here,
and they get healthy treats and we earn them and
sometimes they get calorie free hugs.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: And then I always, always, always that association between treat
and hug is so important operating conditioning. They should start
making that association and pretty soon, believe it or not
everybody out there, that hug is going to have that
same effect of the treat, and they know because it's
always going to bring them back mentally to the food reward.
But now they're getting the hugs and kisses and you
get to the point where you know, that's the whole
concept behind clicker training. I don't know, Arden, if you're
a fan or not a fan, but you know, the
whole concept of clicker training is that when you always associate,
pretty soon that click is going to be as good
as the treat and they're going to respond and they
love it. And every now and again you still throw
in that treat and it just keeps them going. And
that's what it's all about. You know, dogs are creatures
of habit. So anyway, Arden, thank you so much for
coming on. You're more than welcome anytime you got a
question you want to And I got.
Speaker 4: To tell your listeners, I have seen the man hug
his clients in action, he loves his four legged clients.
This guy not only knows betary medicine, but he loves, loves,
loves dogs and cats.
Speaker 3: I've seen him in action, and thank you so much.
And I do.
Speaker 2: And as I often say with my eleven pets at home,
I wish they made beds bigger than the California King
because I can get more. But right right now, you
see it's like it's pretty crowded. I'm amazed I don't
have scoliosis with a weird positions because I'm the last
one to get into that bed and I don't want
to Heaven's forbid I disturb their sleep. So I am
trying to confort my body into some way where I
can get in there without disturbing them. So anyway, so
once again we're here with Astebats with doctor Jeff and
we're just saying hi and talking a little bit to
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And I want to warn everybody it is getting hot.
I am in southern California, in Los Angeles, and we
are expecting ninety degrees by Saturday. In the deserts, it's
over one hundred. I was in Palm Desert a couple
of weeks ago, and now's the time until I'm blue
in the face, we're going to talk about safety outside
when it's getting hot like this.
Speaker 3: I't understand.
Speaker 2: I just talked to a friend of mine in Chicago
and it's starting to get humid. New York is starting
to get humid. We're starting to see that heat. June
is what another two days that comes Saturday as June first,
So be really careful. Never leave your dogs in a
park car. If your dogs have to be outside, make
sure they have ample supply of water and shade.
Speaker 3: Shade is really important.
Speaker 2: If there is no place to run for cover, that
hot sun beating down on them can cause heat stroke.
So it's very important that you keep that in mind
when you exercise. You do not want to exercise in
the heat of the day. Exercise early in the morning
or later in the evening. Again, keep in mind that
pavement retains its heat longer than ambient temperature. So if
you're going to take that walk at seven six pm
or seven pm and the sun's pretty much down, be
still be careful because that pavement can be pretty hot,
and take take plenty of breaks and give some water.
You know, it's not a race out there. The goal
is to bond with your pets and to have fun
and to enjoy. And I guarantee the walking, the running,
all that you're going to do with your dog is
good for you. To bring in that tennis ball, bring
that frisbee, go to the park and have a blast.
Speaker 3: We definitely love it.
Speaker 2: But you know it's important to respect the summer heat,
the summer sun. And of course never never leave your
dogs in a park car, even with the windows crack,
even in the shade, because you would be amazed at
how fast a car can get hot. So I hope
that you take this advice enjoy it because this is
the best time of year for us. We love getting
our dogs out there and having some fun. So anyway,
thanks for joining me. Here Ask the Bets with Doctor
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