Speaker 1: Here once again with Thomas Russo, the head of Patriot Front.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back. You're you're starting to become a friend,
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: Say, you know, I'm a friend of the show at least,
Speaker 2: so's at least Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I know it's We're gonna have a kind
Speaker 1: of different conversations today because I think we've talked a
Speaker 1: lot about Patriot Front. We'll mix in that a little bit. Never,
Speaker 1: it's gonna come up. Yeah, we never know, shockingly, no,
Speaker 1: we never. I never have strict bounties where going to go?
Speaker 1: But I talked to you. You're always spouting historical figures,
Speaker 1: and you can to have such a wealth of history,
Speaker 1: particular American history, better than anyone any history professor I've
Speaker 1: ever had. So we're gonna kind of jump around in
Speaker 1: some history. I'm sitting there holding all these pamphlets.
Speaker 2: You make a lot of the literature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gave me these last Times and this fascinating
Speaker 1: stuff like all these like just the one with all
Speaker 1: the the quotes.
Speaker 2: I don't have the quotes one here, but this is
Speaker 2: this is when I gave you last time. It's all
Speaker 2: the speeches from Lindbergh, who was you know again, you
Speaker 2: talked about how you were familiar with Amazon aviator, But
Speaker 2: what they don't talk as much about is how he
Speaker 2: was one of the leading voices leading the charge to
Speaker 2: keep America out of World War Two and trying to
Speaker 2: prevent the civilizational disaster that happened as a result. And
Speaker 2: it's not just Lindberg, but it goes all the way back.
Speaker 2: You know, we have a huge wealth of American figures
Speaker 2: who have been nationalists and who if you transplant to
Speaker 2: them today, would be total nationalistic in their opinions. And
Speaker 2: you know, people see Patrevon and I just I think
Speaker 2: it's so incredibly insane when liberals, and it's mostly liberals,
Speaker 2: sometimes even conservatives, they look at PF and they say,
Speaker 2: all right, well you have these opinions on race or
Speaker 2: nationality or immigration or you know, you're flying the fifty
Speaker 2: star flag upside down and you're on American. This is
Speaker 2: un American, and it's you don't know a lick of
Speaker 2: what America is. They think that history started, you know,
Speaker 2: at the end of the you know, maybe at like
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five, and that everything before would just you know,
Speaker 2: they dismiss it. And I think you either need to
Speaker 2: have a full understanding of history or you need to
Speaker 2: just throw it all out. But you can't cherry pick
Speaker 2: and you can't overly just misinterpret things to yours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, you're like, understanding of history is so deep,
Speaker 1: Like I studied a little bit of history, but you're
Speaker 1: so far beyond me. When I talked to him, he's like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm like, oh, let's just mess around with
Speaker 1: the history conversation. And Limberg I love him. I remember
Speaker 1: the day everyone was asking Grok what historical figure and
Speaker 1: they say Charles Limbarb for me, Like, that's the biggest
Speaker 1: compliment ever. I'll take it. And maybe a little exaggeration,
Speaker 1: but I like, but I'm like, sure, Groc, I'll take
Speaker 1: that compliment. That was so cool.
Speaker 2: No, he was really an inspiring figure. You know, he
Speaker 2: was an innovator, and you know I've read beyond just
Speaker 2: his speeches. You know, he he was in Europe both
Speaker 2: before and after the Second World War and he saw
Speaker 2: a lot of the devastation firsthand. He did actually fight
Speaker 2: in the war in the Pacific theater.
Speaker 1: Really, which person I think.
Speaker 2: In World War Two, Yes, he'd as a pilot, so
Speaker 2: his stance was for the years leading up to the war,
Speaker 2: he didn't want the United States to enter. Actually, and
Speaker 2: even before the war started, he saw Europe lurching towards conflict.
Speaker 2: He was he visited Germany a number of times and
Speaker 2: he writes in his wartime journals that he's speaking with
Speaker 2: average on the street Germans about the Jewish issue because
Speaker 2: he's he's new to it and you know, he wants
Speaker 2: to understand and just average people at the time were
Speaker 2: saying that, yes, the Jews were responsible for the disaster
Speaker 2: in World War One, they're currently exploiting the country. And again,
Speaker 2: these are just average people saying, yeah, this is a
Speaker 2: problem and we want to fix it. And Lindbergh was
Speaker 2: listening to them and said, yeah, well, I mean this
Speaker 2: is new to me, but I get it. You know,
Speaker 2: this is this is their problem and they're trying to
Speaker 2: solve it from a nationalist perspective, you know. And he
Speaker 2: had this understanding of people. And then you know, he
Speaker 2: and his family were in not only Germany, but I
Speaker 2: think England or they were in Europe and the lead
Speaker 2: up to the war, going back and forth, and he
Speaker 2: met I think he met part of the royal family
Speaker 2: as well, and he was gifted one of the highest
Speaker 2: honors awards. I think you could get medals by the
Speaker 2: German government at the time for a non German or
Speaker 2: for somebody who's not a residence of the country. And
Speaker 2: you know, he was on both sides. He saw everything
Speaker 2: to do because he was an aviator, so he saw
Speaker 2: everybody building planes, everybody buying ammunition, and he saw the
Speaker 2: tensions heating up. But he knew that it wasn't going
Speaker 2: to go anywhere good. So he leaves and takes his
Speaker 2: family out of Europe before disaster strikes and immediately starts
Speaker 2: trying to make sure that America remains independent. And he
Speaker 2: cites you know, I think I mentioned in on our
Speaker 2: first podcast here in the studio, he cites the Monroe doctrine,
Speaker 2: he cites the he cites the George Washington's Farewell to
Speaker 2: Road Doctor.
Speaker 1: Again, you did mention it, so you're doing that real quick.
Speaker 2: James Monroe, who actually is on the cover of one
Speaker 2: of our booklets here, he was one of the founding fathers.
Speaker 2: I believe he's the last Founding father to hold off
Speaker 2: as a president. And he said in a speech, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a long speech. I don't have it all memorized,
Speaker 2: but he said, you know, the American continents shall hereafter
Speaker 2: not be the subject of European colonization. Essentially, this was
Speaker 2: an effort to maintain the geopolitical independence of America because
Speaker 2: America is now entering the realm of a sizeable power.
Speaker 2: You could say America wasn't a great power at the time,
Speaker 2: but we are certainly in the competition with European hours
Speaker 2: and geopolitics at the time of Monroe's presidency, and that
Speaker 2: would later be used to justify measures against Essentially, it's backtracking.
Speaker 2: It's easy to not understand the early American political dynamic
Speaker 2: because nowadays America kind of stands on its own. America
Speaker 2: is kind of on a pedestal level. We have really
Speaker 2: good borders, what we should we have really good We
Speaker 2: have really good geography where we aren't bordering. We don't
Speaker 2: share a border with China or Russia.
Speaker 1: Mexico and Canada is not various exactly.
Speaker 2: But back in the day, you know, America was on
Speaker 2: the sea board and we shared a border with Britain, France,
Speaker 2: and Spain, and they all had the greatest navies and
Speaker 2: the greatest armies in the world. And America was was
Speaker 2: a a wedge between all three of them. So it
Speaker 2: was a huge concern. And if you look back at
Speaker 2: the Federalist papers, you know, a big reason that the
Speaker 2: Constitution was drafted that a national government needed to replace
Speaker 2: the articles of Confederacy or the Confederation, is that without
Speaker 2: a strong central national government, then foreign interest, namely coming
Speaker 2: from very powerful European empires or going to tear the
Speaker 2: country apart. And the Monroe Doctrine was a measure to say,
Speaker 2: you know, finally, America is independent, America is sovereign, America
Speaker 2: is a power on its own, and we you know,
Speaker 2: we believe that, you know. And it was also something
Speaker 2: of an anti imperialist measure, right.
Speaker 1: We weren't we weren't going to go and conquer other
Speaker 1: outside of the Americas. Our interest was more in the Americas,
Speaker 1: like Canada, Mexico. But we didn't seem ACAud he's wrong,
Speaker 1: but doesn't seem like we really early people didn't have
Speaker 1: any interest of going in conquering lands in Europe or China.
Speaker 2: Certainly not in Europe or China, but the lands in
Speaker 2: the West, you know, we're certainly subject to conquest. And
Speaker 2: even going back to Thomas Jefferson, you know, he was
Speaker 2: he was something of an expansionist people. You know, he
Speaker 2: he thought so far as even conquering upwards of Cuba
Speaker 2: and uh and Canada. But of course Jefferson was a
Speaker 2: He was a very ambitious man in terms of how
Speaker 2: great America could because he was on a roll with
Speaker 2: the Louisiana purchase.
Speaker 1: Oh guy, that what a crazy purchase. I don't member
Speaker 1: like a price, but we bought that. It wasn't just Louisiana,
Speaker 1: it was a it was.
Speaker 2: A third of the continent, and at the time it
Speaker 2: was beyond. So Jefferson is an interesting reference for kind
Speaker 2: of nationalist politics, not only because of his cultural civics,
Speaker 2: but also because he became president on a platform of
Speaker 2: you know, he was a democratic Republican, I believe, so,
Speaker 2: you know, he wants limited government. His ideal for America
Speaker 2: is an agrarian republic of the everyman. And of course,
Speaker 2: you know, during Jefferson's time, in order to vote, especially
Speaker 2: in Virginia, you had to be a white male landowner, right,
Speaker 2: but land was also much easier to own back in
Speaker 2: the day. It essentially meant you were the head of
Speaker 2: the family. Yeah, right, because almost anybody who owned land
Speaker 2: was the head of a family, or you're a subsistence farmer. Nowadays,
Speaker 2: if we impose that same standard, it would be very different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because people are struggling, like people that add society
Speaker 1: are struggling to buy houses. It should be if you
Speaker 1: pay taxes now maybe.
Speaker 2: No, certainly, Well, I think you know, honestly, I think
Speaker 2: you know, with the Constitution, I think there is an
Speaker 2: argument to be made on original intent, and that's still
Speaker 2: made nowadays that people, I think it's too easy to dismiss,
Speaker 2: you know, the Constitution and things of hundreds of years ago,
Speaker 2: saying oh that's old, dusty stuff. But no, it's still
Speaker 2: very relevant to us today and we should have a
Speaker 2: lot of respect for what the Constitution has given us.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a perfect I don't think it's
Speaker 2: written by God. I think, you know, I think it
Speaker 2: was very much inspired by European history and the American experience.
Speaker 2: But it's also something which can be changed and should
Speaker 2: be changed.
Speaker 1: They have been there. It was really impressive, though. Could
Speaker 1: you imagine today's Congress sitting and putting that together, these
Speaker 1: buffoons sitting there, It would.
Speaker 2: Be a million pages long. Yea it happened.
Speaker 1: Several Yeah, it's not even that long. It's not perfect,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a damn good document for a country.
Speaker 2: And if you if you read through the debates that
Speaker 2: they had at the convention, you realize that these were
Speaker 2: really smart men doing the absolute best they could in
Speaker 2: their circumstances. One of the first things that the signers
Speaker 2: or the Framers i should say, did is they banned
Speaker 2: the ortation of slaves immediately. I think it was eighteen five,
Speaker 2: eighteen oh five, eighteen ten, and it was a debate
Speaker 2: between the northern and the southern states. And also you
Speaker 2: had the three fifths compromise, So I mean, race was
Speaker 2: a huge element of the.
Speaker 1: Early That was early on thing, that's right, from day zero, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because people in the North said, hey, well I don't
Speaker 1: want more Africans in the country.
Speaker 2: And also slavery as an institution they thought was immoral.
Speaker 2: But it was from a totally different perspective than you
Speaker 2: see with later abolitionists, you know, one hundred years later.
Speaker 2: So they wanted to ban the importation of slaves. And
Speaker 2: then the Southerners, you know, and I'm a Southerner myself,
Speaker 2: I have a lot of respect for that. They had
Speaker 2: the very reasonable concern about, Okay, well, now you're going
Speaker 2: to try to overpower us in the legislature, because if
Speaker 2: you know, if the people or you know, if my
Speaker 2: slaves don't count in all towards proportional representation, which frankly
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have, then you're gonna you're not gonna.
Speaker 1: If they can't vote and they have no rights, it's
Speaker 1: kind of insane.
Speaker 2: Then they're not going to count towards representatives. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, their concern was, hey, my state is
Speaker 2: going to be steamrolled. My state is going to be
Speaker 2: steamrolled because I'm not going to be as represented in
Speaker 2: the national legislature and my interests you know, again, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm signing onto a compact, but how am I going
Speaker 2: to do that if if my interests aren't represented in
Speaker 2: a national assembly. So the compromise was just that, and
Speaker 2: it was very important. You know, you have Washington presiding
Speaker 2: over the Constitutional Convention and you spoke very little. He
Speaker 2: was a he had immense power, but his leadership was
Speaker 2: very much an effort to get America and the American
Speaker 2: people on their own feet. You know, at the time
Speaker 2: and nowadays, we would compare Washington to much later figures,
Speaker 2: you know, much later great leaders and so on. But
Speaker 2: at the time, you know, Washington in the.
Speaker 1: America wanted to be too involved. He was loved because
Speaker 1: he was considered the man who helped take win the war. Right,
Speaker 1: he was the one mary.
Speaker 2: He was the war hero. He was the general, he
Speaker 2: was the commander in chief. And during the war there
Speaker 2: were a few other generals which were kind of on par,
Speaker 2: but Washington prove the war.
Speaker 1: Was almost lost from not go deep intelligent. It was
Speaker 1: like it was the points where we were going to
Speaker 1: lose it, and I believe Washington is the one that
Speaker 1: pulled it back from the brink of disaster.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, it was by no means, it was by
Speaker 2: no means a given that America would win the war.
Speaker 2: America had a huge benefit in logistics, in like your
Speaker 2: local but at the same time, the British controlled the coastline.
Speaker 2: They could take their armies and they could just put
Speaker 2: them on a boat and put them anywhere they wanted.
Speaker 2: They had obviously they had a money advantage, they had
Speaker 2: a manpower advantage in many cases. And before I think
Speaker 2: the turning point of the war was really at the
Speaker 2: Battle of Saratoga, which Washington wasn't at, where Burgoyne was
Speaker 2: defeated in upstate New York, which is actually I want
Speaker 2: to visit that battle side sometime. But you know, Burgoyne
Speaker 2: was defeated, and that was actually an example where now
Speaker 2: we can prove to the world that we can get
Speaker 2: support from the French or the Spanish, who generally weren't
Speaker 2: in it so much because they loved America, but they
Speaker 2: were in it mainly because they hated Great Britain, which
Speaker 2: you know, enemies. But and you know, going back to
Speaker 2: the Constitution for a second, you know, it's very easy
Speaker 2: to throw, you know, all kinds of critiques at it,
Speaker 2: and a lot of them are very much correct and
Speaker 2: definitely a lot needs but you know, on the subject
Speaker 2: of the Bill of Rights in particular, I think as
Speaker 2: a nationalist you need to be very grateful for that
Speaker 2: because that is literally a shield given to you because
Speaker 2: it's Bill Rights.
Speaker 1: Amendment is so crucial to us. Europe doesn't have that,
Speaker 1: and they're getting there. I mean, you've seen it, right,
Speaker 1: People are getting arrested for Facebook tweets. They don't have
Speaker 1: guns to defend themselves. This is just so crucial no.
Speaker 2: I mean in Britain, people's homes are getting broken into
Speaker 2: and there's like foreigner squatters in there, and they have
Speaker 2: no recourse and even things like search and seizure or
Speaker 2: being a witness against yourself. You know, I've spoken to
Speaker 2: nationalists and all these other countries in Europe and other
Speaker 2: places in Australia and in South Africa, and they do
Speaker 2: not have these protections. Crazy and it's easy. And then
Speaker 2: I see, you know Americans, you know who are nationalists.
Speaker 2: You know, they love their country, they love their people.
Speaker 2: What they're saying, oh, Who'm a constitution, It's like, give it.
Speaker 2: Give the founders a little bit of credit, because if
Speaker 2: you didn't have that, you would be in jail for
Speaker 2: saying exactly what you just told me, right, and we
Speaker 2: would our marches or our demonstrations, our assemblies are group itself.
Speaker 2: In Britain, they can't even wear uniforms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't even wear in jail. If you were
Speaker 1: in most parts of the Europe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I have been in jail in America, I'll
Speaker 2: probably still be in jail.
Speaker 1: You can still be in jail they want, because I've
Speaker 1: seen I can't misage that cases. But I've seen guys
Speaker 1: getting arrested sometimes for a couple of years just for
Speaker 1: their beliefs and stuff. Well, want another one is the
Speaker 1: Holocaust house people years in jail of that. I don't
Speaker 1: believe this historical event, so I'm gonna go to jail.
Speaker 2: That's And the biggest thing you know that they do
Speaker 2: is it's a it's kind of a reign of terror
Speaker 2: in a lot of these European countries because they will
Speaker 2: just raid your house again and again and again, and
Speaker 2: they can take whatever they like in a lot of cases,
Speaker 2: and they they don't need again, needing a warrant for
Speaker 2: search and seizure is so huge, and a lot of
Speaker 2: these cases, and I know, I know in Britain itself,
Speaker 2: I think the standard is just that some magistrate has
Speaker 2: to sign off on it and say, yeah, that's normal,
Speaker 2: that's reasonable.
Speaker 1: We can see hyps.
Speaker 2: But in America at least you need some semblance of
Speaker 2: a probable cause or reasonable suspicion of a crime, and
Speaker 2: it needs to be a particular crime and you need
Speaker 2: to be looking for something in particular. So you know,
Speaker 2: credit has to be given where credit is doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pills. And again, I think our legal system
Speaker 1: has some major flaws, of course, it is better than
Speaker 1: all alternatives. Thanks for watching fight Back Podcast. If you
Speaker 1: like the show, like subscribe or share the video. There's
Speaker 1: also donation links and the descriptions.
Speaker 3: Welcome to armslist dot com, America's firearms marketplace. Use arms
Speaker 3: list to buy, sell, and trade firearms, ammo, optics, and more.
Speaker 1: Buy from our nationwide.
Speaker 3: Network of firearms dealers. Tired of being nickel and dimeed
Speaker 3: with never ending fees, be a part of the arms
Speaker 3: list community for just six ninety nine a month. Come
Speaker 3: and get what they want to take right now.
Speaker 2: No, And I think, you know, this is something which
Speaker 2: I think nationalists need to do. Part of the reason
Speaker 2: why history is so important is we need to have
Speaker 2: a basic understanding of civics, and I think in a
Speaker 2: large part we don't. You know, I meet a lot
Speaker 2: of guys and they aren't too familiar with how the
Speaker 2: government actually works. Now that's fine, not everybody has to,
Speaker 2: but you need to know more about the state as
Speaker 2: you get closer to you know, becoming or you should
Speaker 2: act like a state in waiting. A lot of people
Speaker 2: don't have an understanding of civics, and I think that's
Speaker 2: not all their fault, because nationalists have been totally shut
Speaker 2: out of the political process for so many decades, to
Speaker 2: the point where you know, we have the right ideas,
Speaker 2: but the practical implementation of those things can take more
Speaker 2: time or leave something to be desired. So starting on
Speaker 2: the basics, you know, just like somebody who might want
Speaker 2: to learn about you know, Western civilization or philosophy might
Speaker 2: start with the classics. You might start with a Plato
Speaker 2: and Aristotle. I think in order to be a nationalist
Speaker 2: in America, you know, you need to understand the founding
Speaker 2: even even if you're to point out where you're differing
Speaker 2: from it. And if you want to defend, you know,
Speaker 2: our ethnic interest in the country, if you want to
Speaker 2: defend and our history and heritage which is being destroyed,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's one thing to you know, oppose
Speaker 2: the removal of the statues of you know, the Confederate
Speaker 2: generals or the Founding fathers. A statues as of Washington
Speaker 2: and Jefferson have been torn down.
Speaker 1: This is actually yeah, well, well I want to lead
Speaker 1: to this right now. It's a little off subject, but
Speaker 1: it's just the statues or real quick yeah, to do
Speaker 1: things first, I just want to I'm not compare ourselves
Speaker 1: to the founding fathers, but this is a few men
Speaker 1: that stepped up and changed and completely in the countries.
Speaker 1: So we have people telling like me, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: get it, telling me you can't make a difference. I
Speaker 1: don't get as much anymore. It pisses me off so much.
Speaker 1: It's such a cowardly way out to say, yeah, a
Speaker 1: few men can't, but a few men can lead and
Speaker 1: get things and change. So people that are sitting there
Speaker 1: saying I can't make a difference, you can't give a difference.
Speaker 1: I want to say fuck you to these people. There's
Speaker 1: such fucking cowards.
Speaker 2: There's more men in Patriot Front than fought at the
Speaker 2: Battle of the Alamo, right, there's more. You know, there's
Speaker 2: more men in PF than you know signed the Constitution
Speaker 2: or the or you know, the Declaration or ratified it,
Speaker 2: et cetera. You know, it is so important that we
Speaker 2: realize that small groups of men are actually the only
Speaker 2: thing which has changed the history.
Speaker 1: Work through history as usual, small movies came in and
Speaker 1: made massive changes. It's not always the majority. I think
Speaker 1: that way, they'll come in and they'll change it. Then
Speaker 1: people start following, and that's people realize you don't need everyone.
Speaker 1: You can see. You can see things aren't easy to change,
Speaker 1: but you already can see. The public's changed quite a bit,
Speaker 1: probably on how I'm treated, for sure, but I think
Speaker 1: you're how you're treated as well. I think you're probably
Speaker 1: treated better than you're too. I'm certainly treated way better
Speaker 1: than it was the last couple of years ago. Up
Speaker 1: the things we argue are slightly different, you know, but
Speaker 1: I've seen a massive change in my end. I think
Speaker 1: even on your end, people are a little more receptive
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: No, they definitely are. And you know, I think it's
Speaker 2: important to realize that things get adopted slowly, and that
Speaker 2: you know, there's going to be a lot of people
Speaker 2: which come to the cause, which come to the ideas
Speaker 2: once it's easy and once it's socially acceptable. But you know,
Speaker 2: the early days, when it's the hardest, when people face
Speaker 2: the most risk, that's when it's most important.
Speaker 1: Those days are already passed, you know, in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. Yeah, particularly for like talking about the Jewish isradition.
Speaker 1: There's more on your heard, but not as much a
Speaker 1: stigmas there was. Thanks, things have changed a lot from
Speaker 1: like you've seen it, from like Charlottesville to now, yes,
Speaker 1: you were treated like a monster pariah like Charlottesville was insane.
Speaker 1: It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen. Because
Speaker 1: I had fought Teafa at that time. These guys are
Speaker 1: utter trash. They come and beating up women and children,
Speaker 1: So I could tell exactly what happened to Charlotteville was
Speaker 1: a few of you guys marching because you didn't want
Speaker 1: what statues didn't tear down.
Speaker 2: It was Robert E. Lee and the statue in the
Speaker 2: center town of Charleston, and Robert E.
Speaker 1: Lee and our media just pushed that to the most
Speaker 1: and thing like on my Facebook. I don't think I
Speaker 1: was on Twitter yet, but it was just for a week.
Speaker 1: It was just people were just freaking out about it,
Speaker 1: like you were the worst evil monsters ever. Where do
Speaker 1: they certainly feel like to be demon eyes what happened there?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a couple diferent questions, but to me,
Speaker 1: that was such a crazy thing.
Speaker 2: So of course I was at the rally, and I
Speaker 2: had a limited perspective of the actual matters on the
Speaker 2: ground because I was kind of stuck on a corner
Speaker 2: of the park the whole time. But you know, I
Speaker 2: do remember, and I think I told you yesterday that
Speaker 2: I remember guys walking out through the through the opening
Speaker 2: in the park in all these white polo shirts. And
Speaker 2: of course the Charlottesville, the Charlitzville, everybody knows, they just
Speaker 2: call it Charlottesville. That was actually I think the second
Speaker 2: or even the third rally that's took place in the city.
Speaker 2: And those previous ones people had worn a bunch of
Speaker 2: white polos and such, so that's why people were wearing them.
Speaker 2: But anyways, they left the park in these pristine white
Speaker 2: shirts and they came back with yellow stains from what
Speaker 2: I believe was urine red stains, orange stains from pepper spray,
Speaker 2: and then there was blood and all these things. Like
Speaker 2: it was. It was insane, and you know, sure there
Speaker 2: were a lot of people on both sides that got
Speaker 2: into fights. There were a lot of people on both
Speaker 2: sides who probably had a lackluster disposition for risk. Of course,
Speaker 2: the ultimate blame falls on the police, yes, because they
Speaker 2: did not do their job. They did not separate the groups.
Speaker 2: And I've seen this in my own demonstrations in marches.
Speaker 2: When we go to d C. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: they overreact a little bit. But the DC police put
Speaker 2: up huge barriers between us and anybody, which you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think you need to do in a lot
Speaker 2: of cases, but at least that a clear measure to
Speaker 2: keep the peace. And in some cases they have, you know,
Speaker 2: put up that barrier between us and a lot of
Speaker 2: counter protesters. And I would rather them stand there than
Speaker 2: me have to make my own barrier and then possibly
Speaker 2: deal with legal issues, which has happened. But yeah, the
Speaker 2: police did not do their job. They shoved people together.
Speaker 2: It was a huge conflagration of the entire political landscape
Speaker 2: was compressed into a single downtown area of a not
Speaker 2: that big city. So what can you imagine is going
Speaker 2: to happen? It was everything that went wrong could have
Speaker 2: Everything that could have gone wrong did But I mean,
Speaker 2: the original motivation was was very pure, you know the
Speaker 2: fact that history is being destroyed and that we shouldn't.
Speaker 2: And it's not just that we care so much about statues.
Speaker 2: It's the heritage it represents.
Speaker 1: It means a lot, represents a lot. So I actually
Speaker 1: trying to agree with you this, you know, Regarther Civil War. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think these statutes should be torn down. It's
Speaker 1: American history. This is in the South. It's part of
Speaker 1: their history. Whether you like it or not, that's part
Speaker 1: of their history. You don't tear down statues. That's what
Speaker 1: the Communists did.
Speaker 2: No, And it's not just that that, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: the Confederate see, you know, the Confederate States of America
Speaker 2: was was you know, a model for our government, or
Speaker 2: that they should have won the war? I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: you can have very reasonable and nuanced opinions on that,
Speaker 2: but the fact is that these statues. You know, Roberty
Speaker 2: Lee was a good man, and he was an American
Speaker 2: and he should be an inspiring figure for young men today.
Speaker 2: He was a man who exalted principles of loyalty and
Speaker 2: civic virtue. And the piety of a lot of these
Speaker 2: Confederate generals was you know, they had a spirit and
Speaker 2: a faithfulness which is just completely alien to us today.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be, but it is. You know, these these
Speaker 2: were good men. And you know what some people try
Speaker 2: to make the argument about all statues. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: if you if you want statues of you know, Confederate generals,
Speaker 2: if you want statues of Roberty Lee and Thomas Jefferson. Well,
Speaker 2: then you need to be okay with statues of like
Speaker 2: Vladimir Lenin and Stalin. It's like, no, no, no, see our ancestors,
Speaker 2: these men were good men and those are bad men.
Speaker 2: And I'm making a moral judgment, which you know a
Speaker 2: lot of conservatives are too cowardly to do. But you
Speaker 2: know we need to have a judgment.
Speaker 1: Really are cowardly. Any conservatives defends you, I wasn't in
Speaker 1: politics at that time. Any conservatives to defend you, guys,
Speaker 1: probably not very many, right.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I think the closest possible argument you could be made
Speaker 2: to that was Trump led a comment slip that there
Speaker 2: were some good people on both sides. He was slam pasted.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what he actually meant. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he knew what he actually meant. He could
Speaker 2: have just been saying something offhand. I mean, it's true
Speaker 2: there were good.
Speaker 1: Idea that everyone was bad on both sides is insane,
Speaker 1: and I did everyone was good on both sides? Is insane? Yea.
Speaker 1: It's like, I guess a lot of people the media
Speaker 1: didentish showed the antief as picked at all, Like, why
Speaker 1: do you think the media put you guys into such
Speaker 1: a frenzy, because it's one of the worst frenzies I've
Speaker 1: ever seen with no defensive you guys.
Speaker 2: I mean a big element was, of course, the that
Speaker 2: academia has both academia has been captured by the far
Speaker 2: left and a lot of Jewish interests of course, and
Speaker 2: these professors. It turns it into a pipeline for radical leftists,
Speaker 2: which are funneled then into groups like Antifa and the media.
Speaker 2: And there's no actual difference between the two. You know,
Speaker 2: the people that are going into these different institutions are
Speaker 2: the same type of people, so they're all friends, they
Speaker 2: know each other, you know, and it's a very unfortunate.
Speaker 2: These institutions have essentially been captured by the left, you know,
Speaker 2: since the sixties or even before that. But you know,
Speaker 2: you had a few examples and some of the criminal
Speaker 2: proceedings that happened after the demonstration in years after that,
Speaker 2: the people laying down the charges were there at the rally.
Speaker 2: They had to.
Speaker 1: Recuse their rally against you.
Speaker 2: The one of the judge, Yeah, so one of the judges,
Speaker 2: I believe, I forget his name, one of the judges
Speaker 2: years down, I think like six years after the fact
Speaker 2: seven years Who was in charge of the torch cases? Right,
Speaker 2: because in Virginia there felonies have no statute limitations.
Speaker 1: Real quick, Yeah, you guys literally were walking holding torches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're charged with felonies. That's correct.
Speaker 2: A lot of people were, not everybody, you know, Thank goodness.
Speaker 1: Fucking crazy is that in America that you can't walk
Speaker 1: down the street walking with a torch? Like this whole
Speaker 1: tiki torch thing that they I don't understand and like
Speaker 1: how people its head got so crazy over tiki torch marks.
Speaker 2: It was a law that was vastly, over broadly expanded
Speaker 2: based on an old cross burning law, which I think
Speaker 2: originally was it was criminal and civil and said, okay,
Speaker 2: you can't burn across on somebody's personal property, like you
Speaker 2: can't do it on somebody's front lawn.
Speaker 1: You didn't do that then, which I get.
Speaker 2: But then you make it about any quote burning object,
Speaker 2: and it's like you could hold a candle. You could
Speaker 2: hold a candle anywhere in the state of Virginia and
Speaker 2: make a mean face at somebody and spend five years
Speaker 2: in prison. That doesn't make anase.
Speaker 1: Of course I want to do this to Antifa and
Speaker 1: maybe like naive, maybe it's like we should fight with
Speaker 1: their tactics back. So it's like I have like a
Speaker 1: little bit of like standards and morals and the idea
Speaker 1: that even if I don't like some of them, we're
Speaker 1: going to make up some fake law of cross burnings
Speaker 1: because they walk with torches.
Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, the problem you know with expanding laws
Speaker 2: and kind of making laws meaningless, you know, and you
Speaker 2: could say, all right, well, I'm going to make all
Speaker 2: these political standpoints illegal and I'm gonna do whatever. I'm
Speaker 2: going to use all the same tactics. And of course
Speaker 2: there's some like I think the right or nationalists could
Speaker 2: learn a lot about being ruthless from our opposition.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think that way I
Speaker 1: keep my morals a prentice you need it.
Speaker 2: You need to consider that when you open a door
Speaker 2: like that in legislation, you have to have a plan
Speaker 2: to close it. And this is kind of going back
Speaker 2: to the Constitution that you know, some people say, okay, well,
Speaker 2: government should have no limitations. I want I want a
Speaker 2: guy or I want I want you know, a government
Speaker 2: which is agrees with me and has no limitations on it.
Speaker 2: Whatsoever I want. I want an all powerful dictator, and
Speaker 2: that's great. But what happens when you disagree with that guy?
Speaker 2: What happened? And also what happens when his success or
Speaker 2: doesn't like it or you don't like him, or what happens?
Speaker 2: Because you know, you need I believe in a republic.
Speaker 2: Today we don't even have a democracy. So America was
Speaker 2: originally set up as a republic. Voting was limited. And
Speaker 2: the chief difference between a republic, you know, and a
Speaker 2: democracy is and in a democracy, it's pretty much straight
Speaker 2: from the people through the halls of power, which is
Speaker 2: it creates a mob, and the mob of democracy is
Speaker 2: easily manipulated. But in a republic, you have a very
Speaker 2: critical middleman, which is the representative. And you are not
Speaker 2: supposed to vote vote on issues directly. You're supposed to
Speaker 2: You're supposed to vote on representatives who are supposed to
Speaker 2: be frankly better than you. They're supposed to be the
Speaker 2: best of you. They're supposed to better educated, they're supposed
Speaker 2: to better principled, they're supposed to be, you know, of
Speaker 2: the people, but simultaneously removed from a lot of the vices.
Speaker 2: And again, you know this is not always going to
Speaker 2: be a perfect system. You could have no perfect system
Speaker 2: of government because human beings are not perfect. Right, if
Speaker 2: men were angels, no government would be necessary. Hamilton said that.
Speaker 2: But at the same time America, the Republican principles were destroyed.
Speaker 2: And then this is not the Republican party, this is
Speaker 2: the principles of a republic. I'm a small R Republican,
Speaker 2: not a large R Republican. But they were destroyed with
Speaker 2: the expansion of the franchise. And if you look back
Speaker 2: at the franchise was originally much more limited. And if
Speaker 2: you and nowadays, you know, anybody over eighteen can vote,
Speaker 2: no matter what. Even illegals can vote. Sometimes, people who
Speaker 2: fraud their documents can vote, you know, people who are
Speaker 2: insane can vote. People who are you know, who have
Speaker 2: never had people who have never served their country in
Speaker 2: any conceivable way can vote. But if you look back,
Speaker 2: and I don't think we should necessarily reintroduce the old
Speaker 2: property ownership laws because again property has changed, ownership has changed.
Speaker 2: But I do think part of a nationalist you know,
Speaker 2: Restitution of America UH includes a serious review of the
Speaker 2: intent of the founders in creating a limited and protected
Speaker 2: franchise for who can vote, and we need to reinterpret
Speaker 2: that and see, you know, and you know, I'll get
Speaker 2: into a big room, maybe in the Oval office or something,
Speaker 2: and I'll have a team of very smart scholars and
Speaker 2: legislators around me, and I'll say, make this work, give
Speaker 2: me a plan, and we'll talk about how to take
Speaker 2: that limited original intent of the franchise and bring it
Speaker 2: back to the mode.
Speaker 1: I agree. My only worry is that they use political
Speaker 1: purposes to keep people out. Well yeah, well, I have
Speaker 1: an interesting question for you. Obviously we agree like foreign
Speaker 1: in just like Israel, and stuff should be kept out.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by the corporate just is like
Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical companies, the weapons manufacturers. The immense power that
Speaker 1: these corporateaes came and taken.
Speaker 2: Over, it needs to be gutted. I you know, I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you felt that way, because a lot of
Speaker 1: conservatives don't know, well, I think you know conservatives.
Speaker 2: You know, Thomas Jefferson, you know, said early on that
Speaker 2: you know he's he's president or it's you know, after
Speaker 2: the revolution. He says, you know, monied interests are attempting
Speaker 2: to bid defiance to the laws of our country and
Speaker 2: bid our revolution to a trial by strength, and we
Speaker 2: need to kill them essentially before they kill us, you know.
Speaker 2: And again, Jefferson was a He was an agrarian populist.
Speaker 2: He believed in the ideal that America was for the
Speaker 2: every man. America was for the man. The ideal American,
Speaker 2: the guy who this whole thing is for is the
Speaker 2: head of the family who lives on a couple of
Speaker 2: acres and he makes his own food, he grows his
Speaker 2: own food. That's what America is built for. Like that's
Speaker 2: the intended participant. But you know, and then you even
Speaker 2: have you know, Theodore Roosevelt, who's a great example of
Speaker 2: you know, trust busting, where.
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorites, had like he was a
Speaker 1: Republican who's busting.
Speaker 2: Trust, and you had, you know, the the I actually
Speaker 2: I think I saw a photo that in d C.
Speaker 2: On the Department of Labor, Trump put up like a
Speaker 2: massive banner of Theodore Roosevelt which said, like, you know,
Speaker 2: American workers first, and like.
Speaker 1: It would be if nice if you'd actually follow what he.
Speaker 2: Says, like you know, your your your messaging is kind
Speaker 2: of right, but I would really like to see more
Speaker 2: under the hood. But uh, yeah, so Theodore Roosevelt, you know,
Speaker 2: you had this was this was kind of in the
Speaker 2: Gilded Age, right where these just a few corporations. You
Speaker 2: had Standard Oil, you had you had the railroad companies,
Speaker 2: and you had a lot of these, you know, other
Speaker 2: mineral extraction companies I think, and they were just monopolies
Speaker 2: and there was no there was no counterweight to it.
Speaker 2: And also workers' rights were non existent. You know, the
Speaker 2: eight hour work day for the great guy, I think
Speaker 2: he absolute Yeah, Henry Ford was a great example of this.
Speaker 2: And yeah, the the process was, you know, from a
Speaker 2: patriotic sentiment, Okay, we're going to break up these companies.
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh no, well, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: even know if people are warguing about the GDP at
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, it's like moderate, yeah, but you know,
Speaker 2: we're going to break up these companies and reintroduce comp
Speaker 2: And I do believe, essentially, I don't believe in a
Speaker 2: totally state run economy. I'm not I'm not a communist,
Speaker 2: of course, I do think there should be a mixed economy.
Speaker 2: I do think, you know, there is a good element
Speaker 2: of enterprise. You know, I know a lot of enterprising
Speaker 2: men in the organization and in American history, and I
Speaker 2: think there should be the impetus that you should want
Speaker 2: to prove yourself. We should have a meritocratic structure. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, the government needs to step in
Speaker 2: at certain times and put barriers around corporations essentially acting
Speaker 2: against the national interest or acting against the people themselves,
Speaker 2: because so often, you know, if people people who get
Speaker 2: to that point where they're multimillionaires, billionaires, et cetera, you know,
Speaker 2: they will get to a point where you need to
Speaker 2: prioritize profit over people, right over the human interest. And
Speaker 2: you know, they'll say, oh, well, it's usually a very
Speaker 2: gradual thing. It's usually very you know, it's a game
Speaker 2: of inches with that with the encroachment of avarice and greed,
Speaker 2: you know, the love of money and the love of power,
Speaker 2: and you know, gradually it's these little things. Well maybe
Speaker 2: that's you know, well, I need to I need to
Speaker 2: have all this extra money so we can invest it
Speaker 2: back at some point, but I'm not actually going to
Speaker 2: And then you slowly chip away at the humanity of
Speaker 2: the people that are working for you, and the government
Speaker 2: needs to step up. But also a lot of these
Speaker 2: people are bought out right now. So we need a
Speaker 2: new generation of statesmen who are incorruptible, who are beyond
Speaker 2: being purchased, who are beyond being intimidated. And you know what,
Speaker 2: for a lot of the really powerful and really rich
Speaker 2: people in the country, it's going to suck. Nationalism is
Speaker 2: going to suck.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, no, And it's like, I have no
Speaker 1: interest in running, but I was talking to you yesterday
Speaker 1: with Dan Blazaria and talk about guys like you don't
Speaker 1: know him, but my friend Gordon Ryan, who don't want
Speaker 1: to run for politics, but we might be forced to
Speaker 1: because we're not for sale. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: do this shit. But these are people who are disgusting
Speaker 1: running our country into the ground. And it's like, maybe
Speaker 1: we have an obliguty ab duty to God in my
Speaker 1: country to step up and try to save this country
Speaker 1: because these people that are bought It's just and it's complex.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to do a lot of research before
Speaker 1: I run into how to come these these aren't easy issues.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta be careful. I don't do too
Speaker 1: much government regulation, but some of these conservatives are just
Speaker 1: so like, oh, we don't want to mess with it
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, those guys. I care about my fellow Americans.
Speaker 1: I don't like seeing those struggling. I'm not rich, but
Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty well. If I made a little less
Speaker 1: stock returns for American other fellow Americans live better, I
Speaker 1: would be okay with that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, it's it's definitely a matter
Speaker 2: of quality of life. And if we had a country
Speaker 2: with better demographics and and where you know, again, go
Speaker 2: back to Jefferson. The average man, you know, has his
Speaker 2: own livelihood. He's stable, he's successful. Your life, even if
Speaker 2: you don't have, you know, as many millions of dollars,
Speaker 2: even if you make less, you're going to live in
Speaker 2: a better country and your quality of life will be
Speaker 2: uplifted by that. There's a speech I remember I remember
Speaker 2: reading by Henry Cabot Lodge, who was actually a He
Speaker 2: was a famous American statesman of of you know, the
Speaker 2: the early nineteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds in out of Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: and he was actually friends with Theodore Roosevelt and a
Speaker 2: member of the anti anti Immigration Restriction League, which actually
Speaker 2: got the Immigration Act in nineteen twenty four pass But
Speaker 2: that's beside the point he was speaking about how the
Speaker 2: man of wealth and means who has essentially unlimited control
Speaker 2: of his time, right, And like the people nowadays who
Speaker 2: are really rich and they can just do whatever they want,
Speaker 2: they do not owe the least to their country. They
Speaker 2: owe the most because is your country, which has let you,
Speaker 2: which has protected you and your interests from foreign powers,
Speaker 2: which has given you the opportunities in the enterprise. And
Speaker 2: I mean literally, you know, risen you up from your
Speaker 2: stock of men to be able to be successful, and
Speaker 2: you owe everything to give back to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. People always say to me
Speaker 1: and Dan, like, oh, you guys are doing so much more.
Speaker 1: It's like we're doing what we're supposed to do exactly.
Speaker 1: You guys are struggling to pay your fucking families. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's costs down a lot of money, as you talked
Speaker 1: about yesterday, for a lot of money. But it's like
Speaker 1: he's still living pretty fucking nice, you know. Of course,
Speaker 1: It's like we have free time. It's like we have
Speaker 1: an obligation to this life has already given us. You know,
Speaker 1: we work, we work their assets, don't me wrong, But
Speaker 1: like life's put us in a good situation. How can
Speaker 1: we be cowardly? I understand if you're struggling to you know,
Speaker 1: to get the next check because you have a kid
Speaker 1: to feed. And it's so to a lot of people
Speaker 1: are situations where you have to have the mom with
Speaker 1: their kids work and it's like.
Speaker 2: You can't really because it destroys the family.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't feed a family. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: these ways average rages, wages in Vegas and it was insane.
Speaker 1: How low was me, like, Oh, you have to have
Speaker 1: both parents working and it shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 2: No, And I mean, you know, people can't own a home,
Speaker 2: people can't survive, and it creates this permeating sense of
Speaker 2: stress throughout every interaction, every relationship you have, and that
Speaker 2: it turns into this economic psychosis where people, you know,
Speaker 2: they can't think, you know, they can't they can't live
Speaker 2: normal lives, They can't be happy because the sky is
Speaker 2: always an inch from falling, you know, because any any
Speaker 2: miss paycheck, any little thing is going to spell it.
Speaker 2: Or like you get injured, you go to the hospital
Speaker 2: and you got to pay you know, I got a
Speaker 2: million dollar hospital buildings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's everyone's called me concerntive for some reason, like
Speaker 1: some of these issues, like we're the only Western country
Speaker 1: that doesn't have free medical, but we give billions of
Speaker 1: dollars countries that do have free medical, like a million dollars.
Speaker 1: That's more fun.
Speaker 2: Thing is rarely for you free healthcare.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine you have a kid who has cancer
Speaker 1: and like, oh, I got to start go fund me
Speaker 1: for it. I've given people's gofund me to their kids,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is insane. I'm paying their taxes,
Speaker 1: I'm giving them money for their kids go fund me cancer.
Speaker 1: Ridicular stuff has to.
Speaker 2: Change, no, And I think, you know, I would definitely
Speaker 2: stand by nationalized health care. And I think it'd be important,
Speaker 2: you know, for a nationalist government on the other end,
Speaker 2: to say, hey, we're going to hold up our end
Speaker 2: of the bargain and say, you know, health care is nationalized,
Speaker 2: but at the same and we're going to do everything
Speaker 2: we can to make sure that your treatment is quality,
Speaker 2: it's and it's efficient. Because in Canada, you know, they
Speaker 2: do have nationalized health care, but the problem is you're
Speaker 2: not going to get there in time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So on the other hand, I think the people in
Speaker 2: order to be good recipients of that need to be
Speaker 2: as healthy as they can be, you know, because nowadays,
Speaker 2: if we just turned on the nationalized health care switch,
Speaker 2: I mean, we're paying for all the health care of foreigners,
Speaker 2: every everybody who wants to. I mean, I think, don't
Speaker 2: Israeli's fly here to get surgeries done free organs or something.
Speaker 1: I know, I have heard that. I can't confirm if
Speaker 1: that's true or not, but I've heard they it probably
Speaker 1: is true.
Speaker 2: Something like that is happening where foreigners can come here
Speaker 2: or the whole anchor Baby situation right where people can
Speaker 2: come here and exploit the resources that belong to Americans.
Speaker 2: And at the same time there's so many there's an
Speaker 2: obesity epidemic, and that's that's not talked about, and that's
Speaker 2: your fault. If you're if you're that fat, it's your fault.
Speaker 2: And those people, you know, would be a huge drain
Speaker 2: on the system, you know, so that people who have
Speaker 2: things that are not their fault would would you know,
Speaker 2: have other issues. So I think, you know, as a
Speaker 2: nationalist and as somebody who cares about the quality of men,
Speaker 2: you know, you need to have the government needs to
Speaker 2: do its job and the people.
Speaker 1: To encourage people like you. Guys get called feds because
Speaker 1: everyone's almost everyone's in shape, because you encourage guys to
Speaker 1: lose weight. You have gyms, you know, I stopped by
Speaker 1: your gym built could.
Speaker 2: You how could you be not fat without a government pension?
Speaker 2: You know what a concept.
Speaker 1: We accepted it. And also they also like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: we need to bring in these cheap workers. You know,
Speaker 1: I have a white house cleaner. I pay her twice
Speaker 1: as much, you know what, That's okay with me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I would rather pay some one a little better.
Speaker 1: Do not have a foreign worker that's not a citizen
Speaker 1: in my house?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, prioritization of our
Speaker 2: own interest is a very small thing to start, and
Speaker 2: it has dividends, and every other race that comes as
Speaker 2: country doesn't. Right, you know, you wonder how all the
Speaker 2: Indians took control of the hotel and the gas station industry.
Speaker 2: Stop at any chain gas stations and it's almost all Indians.
Speaker 2: I mean, or you know, you like donut shops and Koreans, right,
Speaker 2: it's not coincidence. There's not something inherent in the propensity
Speaker 2: of Koreans that means that they love running donut shops. Right,
Speaker 2: it's that they work together, they have their own ethnic
Speaker 2: interest and you can't lift necessarily even blame them for
Speaker 2: doing it. You can blame the people in our country.
Speaker 2: You can blame it a little bit to be fair,
Speaker 2: to be sure, but you can blame the people in
Speaker 2: our country, in our government who allowed it to happen,
Speaker 2: Who wrote the laws or approved the laws, or voted
Speaker 2: for the laws which made this so accessible to them,
Speaker 2: which you know, operate the levers of government which are
Speaker 2: giving these people loans. Right, there's so many things, but
Speaker 2: we haven't been playing the game.
Speaker 1: No, we don't play it back. And I first hand
Speaker 1: seen it. Living in San Francisco. I had lots of
Speaker 1: Chinese friends. They literally give each other a Chinese discounts,
Speaker 1: same with Afghan people. White people. We never do that.
Speaker 1: I started noticing this years ago, being like, and if
Speaker 1: people treated me good because I was like in their circle, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I would notice it was literally a random Chinese
Speaker 1: person that would get like a ten twenty percent discount,
Speaker 1: same thing with an Afghan And I'm just like, what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: could you imagine walking into a store and being like,
Speaker 1: can I get my twenty percent? White discount because we're
Speaker 1: white buy anything.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine it. Yeah I have a dream, Yeah
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 1: I can't. I have a dream.
Speaker 4: But no, this was just shocking to me to see this.
Speaker 4: It was just like, no, it's it's it's insane. And
Speaker 4: I think, actually, it's not just that whites are paying
Speaker 4: than the standard amount. We're actually paying more because if
Speaker 4: you just look at it, and I don't think all
Speaker 4: of nationalism can be reduced to monetary matters, but it's
Speaker 4: certainly part of the conversation where you know, I think
Speaker 4: white people and maybe East Asians or Indians or something
Speaker 4: like that are the only ones that are actually a
Speaker 4: net positive in terms of taxes. And you know, again
Speaker 4: I can't speak too much, but you know, because it's
Speaker 4: not all just about money.
Speaker 2: It's about culture. It's about you know, independence and belonging.
Speaker 2: But I mean, white people on average are paying more
Speaker 2: to uphold all of this stuff. We're paying more. Taxpayers
Speaker 2: are being gutted, taxpayers are are not able to own
Speaker 2: a home, they're being killed by insurance companies, they're they're
Speaker 2: unable to do all these things. And meanwhile we're paying
Speaker 2: for I mean, the USAID thing was a huge scandal
Speaker 2: because now we're paying for all these you know, Africans
Speaker 2: in the Sub Saharan region to have you know, eight kids,
Speaker 2: we're paying for Israelis.
Speaker 1: To have following. This is too much to It's so
Speaker 1: insane when you look through all those at the amount
Speaker 1: of that we pay for.
Speaker 2: You know, this is a big problem with our government,
Speaker 2: and I think it's something which needs to be seriously rectified.
Speaker 2: If America, you know, I think you get nationalists into power,
Speaker 2: you know, and we could probably you know, again these
Speaker 2: aren't specific promises, but we could probably get by for
Speaker 2: another two hundred, two hundred and fifty years with maybe
Speaker 2: a couple constitutional amendments and kicking a lot of people out,
Speaker 2: bringing a lot of the right people into into the government,
Speaker 2: and a huge cultural shift. But one of the big
Speaker 2: things that needs to be changed to allow America to
Speaker 2: survive in the future as accountability because in these in
Speaker 2: these systems of government like in USA and these other things,
Speaker 2: or you know, we were talking about it yesterday. You know,
Speaker 2: the Pentagon they lost right before nine to eleven, or
Speaker 2: they lost all the documents, they lost trillions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the does believable. Look this up real quick
Speaker 1: at two point three trillion. Donnald Rumsfield announced on September tenth,
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, was unaccounted for an accounting errors.
Speaker 1: The plane crashed into the counting department, burning most of
Speaker 1: the files, including electronic backguy the geat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can'tically where the record department is.
Speaker 1: It's just it's they got on believable. And some told
Speaker 1: me that, I'm like, you're full of shit. I asked,
Speaker 1: you know, AI asked Google. You can find like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, same thing with even the more
Speaker 2: modern examples of you know, we don't know where all
Speaker 2: the money went in all these government programs. And you know, again,
Speaker 2: I'm not a Trump supporter. I withhold my capital s
Speaker 2: support from him. I do support some of the common
Speaker 2: sense measures, but you know, even if we get all
Speaker 2: of that done, we're only barely going back to normal,
Speaker 2: which is clearly not enough because the normal lift to
Speaker 2: day is very bad. But you know, he started the process,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how much he's actually keeping it up,
Speaker 2: but he started the process of gutting a lot of
Speaker 2: these things, and I would like to see it continue,
Speaker 2: or like to see it continuing in huge eerness. But
Speaker 2: the fact is it's not enough to just dismantle these things.
Speaker 2: There needs to be accountability. If you lose trillions of
Speaker 2: dollars of American tax payer money, that needs to be
Speaker 2: both grand larceny and treason, and either one of those
Speaker 2: should or could carry the death penalty, and that like
Speaker 2: there needs to It's it's grander than grand larcity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the national amount of money to that is insane,
Speaker 1: wouldn't It's uncontrasted by today's money. What would that be?
Speaker 1: It was a five point five million what are the
Speaker 1: hundred richest people in the world today worth? It was
Speaker 1: exact same. So you take the one hundred richest people
Speaker 1: in the world and that much money, I'm seeing, where
Speaker 1: did that money going? What was that funding? Who got
Speaker 1: that money?
Speaker 2: That's just the infinite uh, the infinite banker.
Speaker 1: The war machine, the bankers Israel.
Speaker 2: But just think money ceases to lose meaning at these
Speaker 2: at these.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like when you get numbers that high,
Speaker 1: it becomes meaningless and they could just keep printing more money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think on average, you know, people
Speaker 2: don't understand. People don't actually can't imagine how big a
Speaker 2: million is, let alone a trillion. You know, there's not
Speaker 2: a trillion people on earth. You know, there's there's there's
Speaker 2: what like eight billion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, seventy billion now ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But you know, again, accountability needs, we need to be
Speaker 2: brought back into government and a lot of the you know,
Speaker 2: ancient moral civic virtues that we have had as a people,
Speaker 2: you know, they're in They're in our past, they're in
Speaker 2: our history, they're in our heritage, and they're also in
Speaker 2: our blood. I think not everything that you do as
Speaker 2: to in terms of your behavior is inherited, but I
Speaker 2: think a lot of it is. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: you look at the different races around the world, and
Speaker 2: obviously there are cultural differences, and I think it's kind
Speaker 2: of a balance, and it's it's kind of a loop
Speaker 2: between nature and nurture, where you know, there is an
Speaker 2: inherent disposition within a race of people which creates a
Speaker 2: certain kind of civilization and society, which then turns around
Speaker 2: and either either enforces or alters that disposition until you
Speaker 2: have something like an equilibrium. And in the American context,
Speaker 2: you know, we are not just Europeans, we are a
Speaker 2: picked stock of Europeans. Predisposed for a sense of adventure,
Speaker 2: of daring. And also, you know, a lot of the
Speaker 2: original Europeans that showed up, you know, I think out
Speaker 2: on the on the Mayflower and the first journey, maybe
Speaker 2: twenty percent of them survived for the first year, and
Speaker 2: and then of that remainder those people then propagated across
Speaker 2: the country. Right, how many you know? You hear you
Speaker 2: hear it very frequently that oh I'm a descendant of
Speaker 2: some of the people in the Mayflower. Again, there were
Speaker 2: less than maybe fifty families left after the first winter.
Speaker 1: Right, imagine, Yeah, this is so wild. They just came
Speaker 1: across in a boat, no idea, what's there. They get
Speaker 1: there and they have to start marching across across the
Speaker 1: land with wag Indians. It just was so wild.
Speaker 2: They ended up in Massachusetts. I think they were actually
Speaker 2: going to try to land next to Jamestown in Virginia
Speaker 2: on the on the Chesapeake Bay. But you know, and
Speaker 2: that has a certain eugenic effect, right, you know, and
Speaker 2: people you know, eugenics is a very scary word nowadays
Speaker 2: because people associated with you know, killing people all over.
Speaker 2: But I mean, there should be a pipe.
Speaker 1: You don't have to kill people to build it and
Speaker 1: say that they had.
Speaker 2: A lot of the you know, everybody who was susceptible,
Speaker 2: like it was the hardiest that survived, right, And we
Speaker 2: are descendants of that very tough heritage and our government,
Speaker 2: our culture, our virtues are found in our blood and
Speaker 2: we need to be able to unearth that and have
Speaker 2: an expression of statesmanship, of civilization, of government of our culture.
Speaker 2: And culture isn't just food. It's not just the movies
Speaker 2: you watch. It's how you behave, it's how you act,
Speaker 2: It's the things that you say. It's it's what inspires you.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's you know, it's it's not
Speaker 2: just the colors on your flag, it's it's what colors
Speaker 2: your mind and your thoughts. And we need to find
Speaker 2: that again if Americans are going to be able to
Speaker 2: course correct, I think we can't do it without it.
Speaker 1: Colneery Greetmore, I've never heard that argument with Americas that
Speaker 1: that makes so much sense. The toughest, the toughest. And
Speaker 1: I remember my mom did a lot of family lineages
Speaker 1: recently attracted down. There were so many like great men
Speaker 1: I was related to. It's like, wow, I have all
Speaker 1: this like great blood pasted to me. It's like, how
Speaker 1: can I live as a coward with great men? You know?
Speaker 1: It's like that that does matter, and it does.
Speaker 2: You're pretty we're the toughest, the toughest, so it's like
Speaker 2: we need to live up to it.
Speaker 4: Though you've been in some tough spots, so it checks out, spots,
Speaker 4: it checks out, checks out.
Speaker 1: But it's like our whole country needs to live up
Speaker 1: to it, and you don't want me fat playing around
Speaker 1: watching video games, watching porn. It's like step up, become something.
Speaker 1: There's lots of different ways to make it, you know.
Speaker 1: It like you have your organization where you do a
Speaker 1: great job of building community. You both ground up, you
Speaker 1: do that. You know.
Speaker 2: There was that famous article written by Vice or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like Patriot Front is chastising men for watching pornography
Speaker 2: and playing video games.
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, you go, that's a bad thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's such a I never realized porn was such a
Speaker 1: bad thing to talk to me. I was so fortunate
Speaker 1: that I grew up generation where it was so hard
Speaker 1: to get or I might have fallen the addiction of it.
Speaker 1: I've talked to friends that have had an addictions it's
Speaker 1: eleven years old. In hard it's just so terrible, Like
Speaker 1: that's so successful in the phones. If you have pair,
Speaker 1: you have to watch the kids. Hey guys, I'm demonetized everywhere,
Speaker 1: So if you want to support me and the podcast,
Speaker 1: go to fight Back podcast dot com and you can
Speaker 1: buy some cool merch as they shut up running now.
Speaker 1: As many of you guys know, I run a free
Speaker 1: speech podcast that comes as a price. It's being demonetized everywhere.
Speaker 1: So one way to support the podcast to buy your
Speaker 1: books from Analope Hill Publishing dot com. Dat selection is
Speaker 1: the trans industrial Complex. This book covers the money making
Speaker 1: machine and the tranch industries and shows it's not to
Speaker 1: help people but to make money and get rich. So again,
Speaker 1: if you want to support the podcast, go to Analope
Speaker 1: Hill Publishing dot com and be sure to use promo
Speaker 1: code fight Back that I'll save you money and support me.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Parenting is a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing a short interview days We're gona do
Speaker 1: some stuff after, so ip me to do a few
Speaker 1: more questions. First off, real quick, let's say what are
Speaker 1: your like two or three favorite presidents of all time?
Speaker 2: George Washington is first, he's a cliche. It's a cliche
Speaker 2: for a reason. I think his statesmanship and he set
Speaker 2: the standard for so many things. Every practically everything he
Speaker 2: was doing in office was setting a precedent. You know.
Speaker 2: He was a leader, he was a he was a
Speaker 2: commander of men. You know, he knew when to step down.
Speaker 2: And I think you know, if you go back and
Speaker 2: read his farewell address, it is prophetic of so many
Speaker 2: of the things he warned us about a lot of
Speaker 2: the things that exactly would happen, you know. So he's
Speaker 2: number one. Yeah, I'm working on getting that into a booklet.
Speaker 1: Probably I don't know as much about him as say should.
Speaker 1: I know a little bit about him, not, but not
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: No, And I mean he is an example of a
Speaker 2: man who gave his entire life to his country. He
Speaker 2: would I mean even before the Revolution, you know, he
Speaker 2: was a surveyor. He was he was, I mean, he
Speaker 2: was a servant of the crown. He fought alongside General
Speaker 2: Braddock in the the Ohio River Valley in the French
Speaker 2: and Indian War. You know, so he I mean, he was.
Speaker 2: He was a loyal servant of the British Empire until
Speaker 2: they until the Empire broke its bargain, right, But you know,
Speaker 2: moving on, I would say everybody's running a lot of
Speaker 2: runners up for second place. I think Theodore Roosevelt is
Speaker 2: really good because he he had a lot more of
Speaker 2: a you know, a lot more complicated politically. But he
Speaker 2: was also an author. He was a history and I
Speaker 2: think his series of The Winning of the West is
Speaker 2: an amazing series on American history. And he had a
Speaker 2: racial understanding. He spoke in the Winning of the West
Speaker 2: how the conquest of America was in some contexts like
Speaker 2: a continuation, a direct continuation of the Anglo Saxon conquest
Speaker 2: of Britain. He understood the kind of the racial narrative
Speaker 2: of European history and America's part in it. And also
Speaker 2: on the on the level of like a personal if
Speaker 2: I was to tell a young man to try to
Speaker 2: live your life by the personal vigor and lifestyle of
Speaker 2: any president, I would have to say Theodore Roosevelt, because
Speaker 2: he was an athlete, he was an explorer. You know,
Speaker 2: he was very tough, and I mean he had asthma.
Speaker 2: He was a very sickly child growing right, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people might have just been like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm weak, I'm skinny, I'm I'm sick, and I'm
Speaker 2: just never going to reach these things. Is 're just
Speaker 2: things I can never do. He literally just threw his asthma.
Speaker 2: He just he just he just walked it off. Literally.
Speaker 2: So I think that amount of grit and determination is
Speaker 2: very important and very valuable to men, especially if today,
Speaker 2: because you know, he was even a third party.
Speaker 1: Canada, they accepted an injury and go along with that
Speaker 1: happened a lot with sports like oh my knees, heard
Speaker 1: this a lot of times, you can overcome injuries. And
Speaker 1: he was also, like he said, he was an explorer.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know this, but I mentioned
Speaker 1: to you yesterday he was there was a river of
Speaker 1: the Amazon that no one had ever explored. Live after
Speaker 1: he was president, he went down and made it through.
Speaker 1: I think he died not long after that. I think
Speaker 1: he got sick on the trip. But this was unexplored
Speaker 1: river in the Amazon. Could you imagining the president's today
Speaker 1: They get done and they're like, oh now I want
Speaker 1: to explore this.
Speaker 2: I want to see Mitch McConnell on a wooden raft
Speaker 2: going down the Amazon.
Speaker 1: He was like him and his son this was just
Speaker 1: crazy getting down at this time, like no one had
Speaker 1: ever done it, and like he put off most of
Speaker 1: the national parks, all this beautiful land we have like yuseimity,
Speaker 1: like all these you know, all these lands.
Speaker 2: That understood conservation, He understood trust busting. He understood that
Speaker 2: a nationalist is somebody who cares about the people. Right,
Speaker 2: And you just say top three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, you don't have to if you do anything else.
Speaker 2: Because Andrew Jackson is great, I would say Andrew Jackson
Speaker 2: because he was a fighter. He he might I think
Speaker 2: early on he was. He was something that the term
Speaker 2: nowadays is thrown out of the cultured thug. I think Jackson,
Speaker 2: you know, grew up in a very a very a
Speaker 2: very limited you know, he was in log cabin. He
Speaker 2: had no I mean even for the time, he had
Speaker 2: no amenities, right, He had his mother. His mother died
Speaker 2: while she was giving aid to prisoners of war in
Speaker 2: the American Revolution. His father literally worked himself to death
Speaker 2: trying to provide and create a homestead for his family.
Speaker 2: So he was orphaned and he was taken care by
Speaker 2: distant family members, and then he was struck on the
Speaker 2: head with a sword by a British cavalry officer because
Speaker 2: he wouldn't shine his boots, right, So, you know, he
Speaker 2: had a and that in spite of having Irish heritage,
Speaker 2: he had a very deep dislike for the British at
Speaker 2: the time. And I'm sure not sure you can blame
Speaker 2: him too much. But you know, he balanced all that
Speaker 2: with being incredibly statesmanly, right he was. You know, he
Speaker 2: would go to these these you know, these balls and
Speaker 2: these official you know, government meetings and dinners and things
Speaker 2: like that. But despite and a lot of people had
Speaker 2: this idea he's like this this redneck from the frontier.
Speaker 2: He's this, he's this uh, you know, frontiersman. But he
Speaker 2: he had as much you know, gallantry as any you know, aristocrat.
Speaker 2: But he was a man of the people. And you know,
Speaker 2: when he was president, I think he brought the people's
Speaker 2: interest back into government in a say, because again there's
Speaker 2: a balance. You know, you should have you should have
Speaker 2: a sort of aristocracy, but it shouldn't be a moneyed aristocracy.
Speaker 2: It should be what Jefferson called a natural aristocracy. He
Speaker 2: was talking about this in a conversation with John Adams,
Speaker 2: that there is a natural aristocracy of the men of
Speaker 2: your nation, who are the best essentially, and they're not
Speaker 2: the best because they were born the richest. Again, you know,
Speaker 2: even the men who have a lot they owe. The
Speaker 2: more you have, the more you owed to your country.
Speaker 1: But you know, I like that we would have put
Speaker 1: that that way. But I think that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, Jackson was an example of this.
Speaker 2: He was an example of you know, the extremes of
Speaker 2: society brought into balance in the government. And and of
Speaker 2: course you know it is it is due to him
Speaker 2: in the Battle of New Orleans. I think it's it's
Speaker 2: it's discredited nowadays they say, oh, the battle happened after
Speaker 2: the war was close to the War of eighteen twelve.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, if Jackson didn't win the Battle
Speaker 2: of New Orleans, then the the British would have tried
Speaker 2: to renege on their on their offers during the treaty,
Speaker 2: and then right now the United States might not extend
Speaker 2: past the Mississippi, right, which I think would be terrible.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine standing at the banks of the Mississippi
Speaker 2: and looking across and seeing Canadian flags. I can't fathom it.
Speaker 2: I like Canada, I like I like the Canadians, I
Speaker 2: like nowadays.
Speaker 1: For invading Canada. But if we were to do foreign wars,
Speaker 1: I could understand that a lot more than going and
Speaker 1: fighting Iraq and then not taking their oil.
Speaker 2: Certainly. I I will say I think Canada has a
Speaker 2: rich and unique history. The United States has invaded Canada twice,
Speaker 2: and twice it has gone poorly.
Speaker 1: It's embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Third time, we're I'm president. We're gonna have to take Canada.
Speaker 1: I can't let American.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, Benedict Arnold, before he turned into the Grand
Speaker 2: Trader of the Revolution, he was invading Canada with a
Speaker 2: Colonel Montgomery, I believe, and he tried to take Quebec,
Speaker 2: which is a big fortress city in the winter, and
Speaker 2: it was invading Canada winter. Not a great idea. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then during the second time was during the War
Speaker 2: of eighteen twelve, and I think Harrison, who later went
Speaker 2: on to be president, he beat the Indian because Canada
Speaker 2: or Britain at the time was funding the Indian Confederacy
Speaker 2: in the Midwest, because they wanted to create a buffer
Speaker 2: state in between America and their assets further out west
Speaker 2: towards Oregon and the mountains and everything. So they were
Speaker 2: trying to prop up this Indian confederation.
Speaker 1: Of a tribe. There's a bunch of different It was
Speaker 1: a bunch of.
Speaker 2: Tribes that were brought together by TECUMSA. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't have everything memorized, but uh and and Harrison,
Speaker 2: I believe, went and defeated them. And he was in Michigan,
Speaker 2: and he could have marched on and and you know,
Speaker 2: occupied Canada after that, but he decided that it would
Speaker 2: be better to immediately go back to Washington and have
Speaker 2: a victory to parade because he wanted to be president.
Speaker 2: So and he did be president. He was president for
Speaker 2: like three weeks. But I think, I think the Canadians
Speaker 2: have a rich history. They are an independent and soft nation,
Speaker 2: and I think they are good. They're cousins to us.
Speaker 1: I tease them a lot, but I look at our
Speaker 1: little brother no, and I can't bought up there. I
Speaker 1: tease them, but there are little brothers, how I look.
Speaker 2: I've spoken with Canadian nationalists. I do think, you know,
Speaker 2: I want to see them create a robust and I
Speaker 2: think and in a lot of respects they have, but I
Speaker 2: want to see them save their country and much a
Speaker 2: way I want Americans to save ours, and I think
Speaker 2: we can learn a lot from each other's struggles to
Speaker 2: do so. I do think Canada is in a pretty
Speaker 2: grim spot though to know.
Speaker 1: They are, it's pretty bad at there. From what I understand,
Speaker 1: it's like changing really quick. They're flooding people in so quick.
Speaker 1: But no, I like Canada a lot, Like I talk
Speaker 1: crap about them, But if a non American talks tox crap,
Speaker 1: is like, shut up, it's like your brother, that's you
Speaker 1: talk about Canada like that, you Indian or Mexican. No.
Speaker 2: As far as conquest, you know, I believe in a
Speaker 2: new manifest destiny, but I believe it's the conquest of spirit.
Speaker 2: I believe we need to we need to reconquer every
Speaker 2: inch of our own homeland, you know, and then uh,
Speaker 2: and that's going to be that's going to be the
Speaker 2: task of several generations because again, Manifest destiny took.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to take two hundred years. I think
Speaker 1: we're making a positive change situation. But but but it's
Speaker 1: going to take time. This isn't an overnight thing. It
Speaker 1: doesn't just jump and half a couple of years. You
Speaker 1: have persisting and keep working. Any last is there any
Speaker 1: last foreign people that you really like. We haven't mentioned.
Speaker 1: There's probably a ton, but any like two or three
Speaker 1: that are worthings I've covered.
Speaker 2: I've covered a lot of them.
Speaker 1: I think I think where we're keeping the short today
Speaker 1: because we're doing other stuff right after this. So thanks
Speaker 1: so much. I'm sure i'll have you on again. I said,
Speaker 1: now you're a friend of the show. Now a very
Speaker 1: good thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Good quick, you got a little time. It cool. We
Speaker 1: have like almost an hour to set it up. Chill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's good to chill.
Speaker 4: I want you to.
Speaker 1: The live stream. I'm not going to do this.
Speaker 3: I guess we have to.
Speaker 1: See mostly questions you if you won't ask me questions,
Speaker 1: you can't do.
Speaker 3: But who.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's like a slow point and ask question.
Speaker 3: You can jump in. Yeah, you probably like you
Speaker 4: To just stop