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I'm 21 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:15.079 Zaki is sign I'm here with Brian Hall. 22 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:16.359 Hey, how's it going, Zachi? 23 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:20.239 Hey, it's it is going, you know I I I 24 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:26.120 was saying, I'm just enjoying my extended post labor day layover. 25 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:32.000 Yeah, I mean we're we're into September. Yeah, like summer's over, 26 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:37.159 I know, or at least a movie season speaking. 27 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:40.599 So right, that's that's very much the case as we 28 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:43.920 sort of look at the calendar for the next several weeks. Eh, 29 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:45.879 we got a we got. 30 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:47.239 A good, good one to talk about today. It was 31 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:48.680 one that I don't know that you and I were 32 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:49.879 even sure we would catch. 33 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:50.760 But that's true. 34 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:52.719 This I think it's gonna be a fun discussion. 35 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:55.680 I agree. But but you've seen a whole bunch of 36 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:56.760 other stuff too since then. 37 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:02.560 Yes, so I think it was the last regular episode. 38 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:05.879 I was talking about cutting the cord with cable, right, 39 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:10.919 that's right, And I mean longtime listeners already know this. 40 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:14.680 But basically I am. I love the ability to flip channels, 41 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:17.199 and so I've hung on to cable. Although it was 42 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:21.719 YouTube TV more specifically, but it's basically cable. I just 43 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:24.680 love the idea of Okay, it's ten at night, I'm 44 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:27.759 not going to go to bed just yet. You know, 45 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:30.800 I don't want to go to an app and know 46 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:32.960 what I want to watch, or just look at the 47 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.199 limited amount of things that are on this app and 48 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:37.560 then have to go to another app and see what 49 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:39.039 they have on that app, and then go to another 50 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.319 app and see what I just I don't know. 51 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:41.879 I don't know. 52 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:44.319 I just love being able to go through and see like, oh, 53 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:46.560 we're in the middle of I always use the example 54 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:49.159 of Clueless, which we just did a commentary for, but 55 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:50.680 I love it being like ten at night and seeing 56 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.039 there's twenty minutes left of Clueless on TBS and going ah, okay, 57 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:56.520 that's perfect, and then you know, wrapping that up before 58 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.520 I go to bed. So it was really difficult for 59 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.120 me to get rid of it. But you know, you 60 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:05.479 and I have both said this, as you know, YouTube TV, specifically, 61 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.240 their monthly price just kept going up and up and 62 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.280 up and up. And I found that the last several 63 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:14.080 times that I had turned it on to flip channels, 64 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.199 I wasn't stopping on anything. I was just flipping, going oh, 65 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.680 I guess there's nothing there, and then going to something else, 66 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:23.319 and then I thought, what am I paying for exactly. 67 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.199 You were paying for the option to stop on something exactly, 68 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:29.719 and it was just happening less and less, and so 69 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:35.919 I finally made the decision to cut YouTube TV and 70 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.080 have nothing but streaming apps. 71 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:40.639 And so it's funny because I did that while I 72 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:45.159 was away. You know, I don't think I talked about this, 73 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:49.159 but my grandmother passed away, and so I left town. 74 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:51.919 I was with my family for a while and you know, 75 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.439 did the the cord cutting. And then I came back 76 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.919 and it had been a long week and I got 77 00:03:57.960 --> 00:03:59.719 back from the airport pretty late at night, and I 78 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.800 played onto my couch and I thought, man, i'd loved 79 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:04.000 flip channels right now. 80 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:06.080 But I couldn't. 81 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:09.360 And so but this is this is what I want 82 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.240 to talk about, which is kind of interesting. And again 83 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:14.560 this is probably a conversation that was interesting seven years 84 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:21.360 ago to most people. But I've since discovered the apps 85 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:25.000 Pluto and two B That's right. So I was aware 86 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:26.920 of these and I had even turned them on before, 87 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:29.759 but to me, the only thing I saw them as 88 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.639 was like Netflix, but with commercials, which is funny because 89 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:34.959 now Netflix has commercials. 90 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.120 But yeah, anyway. 91 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:38.680 I was like, all right, well, I mean, what else 92 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:41.439 am I going to do? So I turned on Pluto, 93 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:46.079 and to my surprise, Pluto is kind of like having 94 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:51.240 cable Like it has, yep, dozens and dozens and dozens 95 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:57.279 of channels that are playing, and it's you know, classic television. 96 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.000 There's like I Love Lucy, and then there's another channel 97 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.079 it is just South Park and you know also you know, 98 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.079 like a Comedy Central kind of thing and old sitcoms 99 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:09.079 and Growing Pains and family there's like a Family Ties channel. 100 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:14.040 And then you get to the movie section and it's 101 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.000 just a bunch of movies that are programmed showing at 102 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.560 a certain time, you know, from seven to ten, from 103 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:23.360 ten to twelve. And I was shocked at the selection. 104 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:25.600 I mean literally I wrote it down because I thought 105 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.000 it was so crazy. It was like, at the same 106 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:32.360 time it was RoboCop, Raging Bull, Wayne's World, Goodwill, Hunting, 107 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:36.199 Almost Famous, forty eight Hours, Punch, Drunk Love, Double Jeopardy, 108 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:38.759 Chasing Amy. I was like, well, these are I would 109 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:44.759 stop on any of these, but they have the ads right, 110 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:49.920 and the only thing that sucks about it. Unlike most 111 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:54.079 cable providers or YouTube TV, which was my favorite of those, 112 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.399 you can't DVR or anything, and you can't skip the ads, right, 113 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:00.800 you can't like fast forward through it thing like pause 114 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.399 and then eventually fast forward through stuff. So it was 115 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:05.639 a little like, oh, I haven't had to do this 116 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.720 in a while, like really actually sit in advertisements. 117 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.079 Well that's that's really the takeaway from all of this. 118 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:18.680 So we've been on this whole journey from broadcast linear 119 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:22.720 television to streaming to all this whole thing, and then 120 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:26.000 we wound our way all the way back to linear 121 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:33.160 TV with ads. Yep, exactly, but bonus, now you can't 122 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:37.519 skip past the ads. I my hashtag progress. 123 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:41.000 I know, I know, I dude, I literally thought I 124 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.160 would give anything for a TVO right now. I mean, 125 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.439 who you know, Like this is literally going back twenty 126 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.920 years in time. Yeah, but that's the thing. I mean, 127 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:56.199 it's still doing the majority of what I want that 128 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:00.879 experience to do. Like I was flipping and I was like, oh, wow, 129 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.680 the last thirty minutes of Steven Spielberg's Where the World 130 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.120 is playing this kind of. 131 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:08.319 Or Brian just curled up in his blanket with a 132 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.439 big smile in his face. This is kind of my bag, 133 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:12.279 you know. 134 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:17.040 And or you can use it as inspiration. So it 135 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.000 was like, you know, I saw that Chasing Amy was on, 136 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:21.519 I didn't really want to watch it with ads, but 137 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:23.399 you had mentioned it recently, I think maybe in the 138 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.439 Clueless commentary, and I was like, oh, that might be 139 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:28.480 interesting to revisit, and so it serves as sort of 140 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:30.759 an inspiration something I wouldn't have thought of. Actually that's 141 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:32.519 a bad example because you mentioned it, but like the 142 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:34.560 dead Zone or you know, something like that where I'm like, oh, 143 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:36.560 I've never seen the dead Zone, you know, And so 144 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:38.600 then you go over to your app where it doesn't 145 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:42.079 have the ads, so it's it's it's not exactly the same, 146 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:44.680 but I did find like, oh, this is this is 147 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:48.199 kind of cool. I kind of it's it's scratching, mostly 148 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:53.000 scratching a certain itch I particularly have, so and toob 149 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.720 is I haven't really gotten into that one, but that 150 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.560 seems more like a streaming service. There is a live 151 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:02.639 component to it. 152 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:06.560 There is, yeah, so well, well, most most of these 153 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:11.600 on demand streaming services also have a fast write free 154 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:18.240 ad support at streaming exactly. So, so Peacock has theirs, yes, right, 155 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:22.959 Amazon has free v right, and there's a bunch I mean, yeah, 156 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.279 it's it's it's just we're in a different time and 157 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:28.279 you know, if I can lean into the parlance of 158 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.399 this show, it's not a better experience than Froggy, just different. 159 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:33.840 Just different. 160 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:34.399 You know. 161 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.639 Well, so I, yes, I found myself. I go to 162 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.240 Pluto the most often because to me, it has the 163 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:42.840 most options, it feels the most like I'm going back. 164 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:46.480 Pluto is the Viacom Paramount one. So that's that's all 165 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:47.039 that stuff. 166 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:53.279 Okay, So yeah, yeah, it's it's uh, it's interesting and 167 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:56.000 I'm finding my way and I will continue to check 168 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.679 in and let you know how that goes. Oh I 169 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.159 should also mention there was part of me that thought, oh, 170 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:03.759 I'm going to miss the networks occasionally, just like for 171 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.919 the news or like NBA playoffs or you know, just 172 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.200 certain sorts of things. I would like to at least 173 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.759 be able to have access to them. So I for 174 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.919 twenty bucks on Amazon, I bought an HD antenna, and 175 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:22.360 I was shocked at how like, again this shows you 176 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:24.200 how long it's been since I've actually used an antenna. 177 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.559 But it looked like like HD, like crisp, like beautiful, 178 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:29.639 and so all of a sudden, you know, I have 179 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:33.279 the Networks again, and then there's basically like Pluto, there's 180 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:38.960 other sort of live ish TV options playing films and 181 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:42.960 old sitcoms and stuff. But I but here's the thing. 182 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.879 So I was like, oh, very cool. Now I have ABC, NBC, 183 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.200 CBS whatever. Again, that's cool. It's nice to have those. 184 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.200 And I thought, oh, yeah, and SNL's coming back in 185 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.080 about a month. That'll be nice. But then it occurred 186 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:55.320 to me, oh, but I can't DVR it and I 187 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:59.159 can't flip or you know, skip through ads or anything. 188 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:04.480 So yeah, yeah, yeah, well and with SNL you can 189 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.519 watch it live on peacock. 190 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:11.600 Oh interesting, Okay, so like that's one of. 191 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:13.519 Those shows that they that they live stream. 192 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:15.639 Well, and then if you have the patience, you can 193 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:17.559 just watch it the next day. I suppose. 194 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:20.159 Yeah. I'm look, I'm at a point now where pretty 195 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.159 much the next morning I'll just go to the SNL 196 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:25.879 YouTube channel and just watch the individual sketches, and that. 197 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:28.039 Tends to be my mode. Also, unless it's like I'm 198 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:30.320 coming back from something pretty late and then I just 199 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.279 want to wind down, I'll cue it up that night's SNL. 200 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.759 But typically it's like a Sunday morning with coffee kind 201 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:38.480 of affair of these days, so you know. And that's 202 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:40.200 the other thing too, like the stuff that I'm used 203 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:43.440 to kind of watching from TV, Like I've been watching 204 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:45.720 this season of South Park or like blow Deck or something. 205 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:47.559 Now I'm just used to like, oh, instead on Monday. 206 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:49.399 Now I watch it Tuesday, you know, like the next day. 207 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:49.960 I'm a streamer. 208 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.399 Yeah whatever, So I mean, look, you're getting habituated to 209 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:54.879 the new normal, you know. Yeah. 210 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:56.679 And most of the other shows I watch are on 211 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.399 streamers anyway, Like Platonic I've been watching on Apple TV 212 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:04.039 plus drops, you know, on the day it drops. It's 213 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:05.200 a whole new world over here. 214 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:10.720 And I just thought I would Brian Dispatches from Brian 215 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:16.639 circa seven years ago. Yes, speaking of south Park, this show, 216 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:18.720 this season has been pretty nuts. 217 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:21.600 Oh yeah, like they're going pretty hard, pretty hard. 218 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:28.639 I kind of love that that Paramount handed uh Trey 219 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.919 Parker and Matt Stone what was it, like a billion dollars? 220 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:34.240 Yeah, like a billion dollars, a billion. 221 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.600 With a bee, like the day after they fired Stephen 222 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:40.799 Colbert for presumably going too hard after the Trump folks, 223 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:43.919 and then and then the South Park is just like 224 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:47.240 all right, we will gladly take your billion and and 225 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:51.159 make you regret ever being born, you know, right right, 226 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.399 It's a lot of yikes. It is funny to me, 227 00:11:55.600 --> 00:12:00.679 Like I was watching this week's episode, the one, the 228 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:06.240 La Booboo one, and and yeah, there there's so many 229 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:08.320 different things happening. But but I think for me, my 230 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:12.519 biggest laugh was was them playing j D Bands like 231 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.000 he's tattoo from oh from Fantasy. 232 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.519 The way that it was framed, Yeah, and he just 233 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:19.639 kind of enters frame and like just stands there for 234 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:23.679 a little bit with that expression on his face like hello, Yeah. 235 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:26.000 Everything about it was cracking me up. 236 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:31.240 I'm just like, man, you know, I we remember when 237 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:34.120 when South Park started and it was just good clean 238 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:37.799 fun about Cartman getting a n atal probe, right right, 239 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.120 And now like we're almost thirty years later, here we are. 240 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.399 I mean that is kind of interesting, right because yeah, 241 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.080 it did used to be the adventures of these kids. 242 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.360 Yeah right, And some of my favorite episodes to this 243 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.480 day are you know, especially the ones involving Butters, Butters 244 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.799 Cartman and uh I. You know, there was a moment 245 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:58.879 where they were doing nothing but commenting on you know, 246 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.240 news stories of the week where I did find myself 247 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.440 kind of like wandering away for a little bit because 248 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.120 I like, I'm getting enough of this, and it seemed 249 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:10.559 like they're their moo. Also, they just stumbled into this 250 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:14.080 pattern where they would lock in on one idea, like 251 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:16.519 one kind of funny take on something, and they would 252 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:20.360 just repeat that take for twenty two minutes. Right. But 253 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.879 I do feel like they have this like renewed vigor 254 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:27.360 right now. Yeah, and it has been you know, pretty fun. 255 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.679 Hey, you give me a billion dollars, I'll find renewed 256 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:31.000 vigor too well. 257 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.320 I also love that they're spending those billions to restore 258 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:39.120 their favorite childhood restaurants, right know, Casabita and which, by 259 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.919 the way, that's a documentary that's on the Paramount Plus. 260 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:43.600 Now you had mentioned that. Yeah, yeah, I. 261 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.000 Can't remember what it's called off top my head, but 262 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:46.759 I'm sure if you put Casa Banita it'll come up. 263 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.559 But it is. It's just it feels like an HGTV, 264 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:56.000 you know, episode basically falling Trey Parker. Literally, I mean 265 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.600 touring Casa Benita in its current stayed a couple of 266 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:02.960 years ago, seeing what a disaster it is, and then 267 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:05.519 people will be like, oh, here's the the ac units. 268 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:08.159 You want to take a look inside, and they look horrifying. 269 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:11.639 There's just like every horrifying thing you you do not 270 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.919 want to be breathing, just resting in there. And they're like, 271 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:15.480 all right, we'll tear that out too, And you just 272 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.120 see the total of the repairs going up and up 273 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.360 and up, you know, millions and millions and millions of dollars. 274 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:21.840 But then it's just like and then he gets a 275 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:24.879 new influx of a billion, you know, so he's wow, 276 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:29.399 he's going to be all right. Yeah, And apparently it's 277 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.720 you have to get reservations still in advance to even 278 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:34.399 visit that place. 279 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:39.000 So really that's there you go. They did all right. Yeah, 280 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.240 by the way, real quick, I wanted to mention when 281 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.480 we talked about your adventures in cord cutting, I know 282 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:46.399 some people listening might be like, I don't remember that 283 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:48.919 that was in one of our bonus Patreon episodes. 284 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:51.679 Oh yes, that's what it was, so. 285 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:53.720 So and that one is available to listen to for 286 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:58.240 free on our Patreon page, so check that out. Yeah. 287 00:14:58.320 --> 00:14:59.840 Yeah, we wanted to offer that is a little bit 288 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:02.759 of a taste of some of the stuff that we 289 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:08.840 occasionally release as a bonus content over there on this Yeah. Yeah, 290 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:10.519 So if you haven't heard it, feel free to hop 291 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:11.759 on over there and check it out, because it's like 292 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:13.960 Zachy said, that one is available to everyone. 293 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:16.000 So what else is going on brand? 294 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:23.559 Well, aside from our main review, I've mostly been watching classics, 295 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.480 catching up on classics that I hadn't seen before, and 296 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.399 so I wanted, you know, it's so funny, I'm such 297 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.639 a booster for Regal cinemas, but I'm gonna do it 298 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.200 again because basically this month, for the month of September, 299 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:40.720 they are showing classic films almost every single day this month, 300 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.240 everything from I'm going to talk about it for a second, 301 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.360 but I saw Paper Moon this past Monday for the 302 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:52.559 first time. They're showing Godfather on Saturday, a Citizen Kane 303 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:57.200 on Sunday, the Thing Forrest Gump, Psycho Cinema Pair Diso, 304 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:59.279 which I've never seen and I'm very excited to watch 305 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.440 for the first time, Casa Blanca two thousand and one. 306 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:05.240 There will be blood close encounters. Just every single day 307 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.440 They're showing like a classic film that I would love 308 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:09.639 to see on the big screen. So I was sort 309 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:13.159 of like, all right, buckle up, like all the people 310 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.360 at Regal are going to be seeing my face a lot. 311 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:17.919 But so, yeah, I want to put that out there. 312 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:19.759 I don't know if it's at every Regal. I was 313 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:21.600 looking out of curiosity because I knew I was going 314 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.000 to be talking about it, and specifically in my area. 315 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.039 The one that I go to is doing this. But 316 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:29.399 there's another one that's one or two cities over that 317 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.039 doesn't appear to be doing this, So people may want to. 318 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:34.440 Check the app But interesting, Okay, I'm. 319 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:36.720 Sure there's at least one, two, three, four things that 320 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:39.639 people are going to find personally they want to go 321 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:41.759 check out and see again on the big screen. So 322 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:43.600 I would recommend that I wanted to put that out 323 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:44.919 there for people to know about. 324 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.080 Very cool, but yeah, I just. 325 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:50.159 Want to talk really quickly about I saw Paper Moon 326 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:55.320 for the first time. Peter Bogdanovich, Ryan O'Neil, Tatum O'Neil, 327 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:56.320 have you ever seen this movie? 328 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:57.279 I have not. 329 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:01.360 I hadn't either. I'll just the log line real quick 330 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:05.279 from IMDb. During the Great Depression, a con man finds 331 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:07.599 himself saddled with a young girl who may or may 332 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:10.880 not be his daughter, and the two forge an unlikely partnership. 333 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:13.960 And I don't remember how this got on my radar, 334 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.480 but it was something that I had DVR off of 335 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:19.640 like Turner Classics, thinking, oh, yeah, I want to watch this. 336 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.039 It's you know, like ninety minutes. It's interesting because it's 337 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.160 from nineteen seventy three, but it's in black and white, 338 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:31.000 and it very much just even in the filmmaking, resembles 339 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:33.960 a movie from nineteen forty. It almost feels like a 340 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:38.480 genre exercise or something. And I was just very curious 341 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:40.559 about it, so I what better way to watch it 342 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:44.440 than on the big screen. And I really enjoyed this movie. 343 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:46.839 It was super charming. I'd recommend it to anybody. It's 344 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:50.039 I think it's rated PG. It's like a real you know. 345 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:55.680 I realized that I have a real type with these 346 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:58.319 movies because I was just talking about matchstick Men, which 347 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:02.039 is Nicholas very similar, right, He's playing a con man 348 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.720 father figure type to this younger girl. And now I'm 349 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.559 watching this this con man, you know, taking this younger girl. 350 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:10.480 What does this tell us about you, Brian? What are 351 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:11.119 you revealing? 352 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.319 I don't know, but I love him. I just I 353 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.319 find it so endearing in the way that these character 354 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.119 you know, they're so different. But as they go on 355 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.559 these well speaking to paper Moon, it becomes sort of 356 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:29.400 episodic where he's going to bring her to her she's 357 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.960 just been orphaned, and so he arranges to bring her 358 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.039 to her aunt, like a couple of states over. But 359 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:40.680 along the way, he's gonna do these cons to generate money. 360 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:43.359 But she he finds that she's a pretty good asset. 361 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.319 She's a good little actress. She's very perceptive, and she's 362 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:49.680 like making him earn even more money as he you know, 363 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:52.839 cons his way, and so they become this cute, unlikely duo, 364 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:55.839 and there's just these episodes and people that they encounter 365 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:59.200 along the way and they you know, influence one another, 366 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.720 and it's very cute and it's a really fun film. 367 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:05.279 I was glad I got to catch it, especially that 368 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:07.519 way on the big screen with an audience that was 369 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:10.480 laughing with it and going aw together. 370 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:11.480 You know. 371 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:14.400 It was very very cute, and I'm sure you can 372 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:16.759 find it on most streaming services. But I wanted to 373 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:19.039 also plug something I try to plug a lot, which 374 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:22.000 is Canopy. It's an app that you can use your 375 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.920 library card and watch movies uncut, no commercials for free. 376 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:29.039 So I saw that it's playing on Canopy if anyone 377 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:32.960 wants to check it out there. What else, Oh, well, 378 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.880 we had mentioned that Spike Lee has a movie out 379 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.599 called Highest to Lowest. That's right, starring Denzel Washington, and 380 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:44.000 it's a remake of a Kursau movie, and as far 381 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.000 as I understand, it was in theaters for two weeks. 382 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.279 I checked my app and it's still playing next week 383 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:51.400 for me in theaters. But it is just released today 384 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:54.559 September fifth, on Apple TV Plus for people who want 385 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:58.720 to check it out there. But you know, I think 386 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:02.200 I've mentioned this before also, but a huge cinematic blind 387 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:05.799 spot for me is Cursawa. I'd never seen a Cursawa 388 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:09.079 movie before, and I mean there's just so seven Samurai 389 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:13.720 and Raschamon and all these towering classics that I really 390 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:17.480 really want to catch up on. But with the Highest 391 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.480 to lowis coming out and I planned to watch that, 392 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:21.079 I thought, well, you know, I was going to be 393 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:25.240 on an airplane, Let's what better way to break the seal? 394 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:29.680 I really watching Cursau film and it was on HBO Max. 395 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:32.079 I had to think about it. Now, I don't remember 396 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:35.680 what they're after called anymore, and so I downloaded it, 397 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:39.119 watched it on the plane, and uh, the premise it 398 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:41.920 seems a little spoilery, but this is the premise of 399 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.000 the film and it's in the first act. But basically, 400 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:51.799 this executive at a shoe company his son. These people 401 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:53.920 call and say, we have your son and you have 402 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:55.920 to give this amount of money to get him back, 403 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:58.400 and it's really it's going to bankrupt him if he 404 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:02.519 does it. But then come to realize they didn't take 405 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:06.920 his son accidentally. They took his chauffeur's son, and now 406 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:09.640 he's being held for ransom. So now this executive has 407 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:13.640 to decide what he's still bankrupt himself for his chauffeurs son. 408 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:19.559 I mean, how delicious is that? Like that's great and anyway, 409 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:23.119 great plot. It's you know, it's from nineteen sixty three. 410 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:26.000 It's a bit of a slower burn than most modern films, 411 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:29.039 but it just is very captivating. I mean, just the 412 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.799 performances are great, and just the filmmaking, the blocking, like 413 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:36.279 the blocking makes these static shots become captivating, the way 414 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:38.599 people move from one spot to another and the way 415 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:42.640 that they're interacting with one another. And it also becomes 416 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:44.720 a bit of a procedural and you start following these 417 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:48.400 detectives as they're trying to figure out who this person is, 418 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.759 you know, who took the boy, and it's just really 419 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:57.440 cool the clues that they use and how they deduce things. 420 00:21:58.759 --> 00:22:01.000 I think it's about two hours. Like I said, it's 421 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:04.359 on HBO Max. I definitely recommend High and Low and 422 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:07.640 I plan to check out Highest to Lois this weekend. 423 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:09.000 So have you seen it? 424 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:11.599 I haven't seen either of them. 425 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:13.880 Okay, cool, Well, I'll be interested if you check out 426 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:14.960 either actually. 427 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:19.599 To Yeah, well, I'm definitely gonna watch the Spike Lee one. Yeah, 428 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:23.160 any Spike Lee movie I will I will check out exactly. 429 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:26.720 Yeah, at the very least it'll be interesting. Yeah, you know, 430 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:29.759 an interesting watch. And then this one we can talk 431 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:34.599 about together. But a week ago they re released Jaws 432 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:39.880 into theaters for its fiftieth anniversary. Yeah, which I'll just 433 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:42.240 say really quickly because I want to hear about your experience. 434 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:46.039 But I saw it on an Imax screen at the 435 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:51.599 Chinese theater and oh my gosh, it was gorgeous. Just 436 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:54.880 the restoration is it's pretty pretty impressive. 437 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:55.519 Yeah. 438 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:57.799 Yeah, and then you know, I've seen. I had seen 439 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:00.640 this in the theater before when they released it as 440 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:04.119 a three D experience, maybe two or three years ago 441 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:06.559 or something like that, and I really enjoyed that. I 442 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:09.079 don't like three D, and it was really well done 443 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:14.000 and didn't put you at a distance. It actually successfully 444 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:18.240 pulled you in. But this, I mean on this Imax screen, 445 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.880 and it was it was huge. I mean, the shark 446 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.519 felt big again. You know, I've seen this movie so 447 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:28.519 many times, but when the shark busts into Quint's ship, 448 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:30.599 it really did make you lean back in your seat 449 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:35.759 because it was coming right at you. I loved it. 450 00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:37.720 I love the experience. And I would say, if it's 451 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:39.880 still playing at a theater near your place and you 452 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:44.039 haven't caught it, it is absolutely worth heading out to 453 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:46.799 go catch. Yeah, what was your experience, like. 454 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:50.440 Well, I mean I saw it when they released it 455 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:55.759 three years ago in theaters. Okay, you know that was 456 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:59.400 I don't know what the context of that release was. 457 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:01.519 It was, you know, they had they had put Et 458 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:05.279 back out into theaters. I think just so they put 459 00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:07.440 Jaws out too, as like a companion to. 460 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:09.079 That, maybe a fathom thing. 461 00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:12.400 It was not a fathom thing because it was at 462 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:17.519 is that the amc M anyway regardless, So I obviously 463 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:19.160 any chance for me to watch Jaws on the big screen, 464 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.759 but I had taken all my kids this year. My 465 00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:23.960 kids are like, oh, let's go see it, like they 466 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:27.839 wanted to experience it again on the big screen, and 467 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:33.000 so this time I did the four D thing. Oh okay, yeah, 468 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:35.079 which I've never done before, and I was like, well, 469 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.359 this is a movie that I've seen enough times that 470 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:39.839 want to mix it up a little bit, so, uh, 471 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.480 nothing crazy, Like we weren't getting dunked in water, and 472 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:43.880 you know. 473 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:45.720 Did it splash you at all? Because I mean it 474 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.680 does have a water component, not the. 475 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:49.400 One we saw. 476 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.039 Oh okay, oh you could, I know you also you 477 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:54.960 could have the option if you want to turn it off. 478 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:58.640 Oh say. I didn't to the best of my knowledge 479 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.440 that there wasn't anything like that been in my theater. 480 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.599 But maybe maybe there wasn't. I just didn't know. But 481 00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:08.240 I kind of loved how the movement of your seat 482 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:11.079 was sort of in sync with whatever was happening. And 483 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:14.000 you know, when you're when you're on the ORCA, you're 484 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.680 the it was kind of going swaying back and forth 485 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:21.000 and interesting, some cool stuff, you know, not again nothing crazy. 486 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.079 So like when when quint is bit in half, it's 487 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:25.480 not like you're getting splashed with blood or anything like that, 488 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.400 but it did add something extra, you know. So I again, 489 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:30.839 for me, it's like, well, this is a movie you've 490 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.440 seen enough times that, uh, you know, zazz it up 491 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.039 a little bit. But I would imagine, just to echo 492 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.680 the point you were making in an earlier episode, if 493 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:41.559 it was my first time watching a movie, I'd probably 494 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.240 be a little distracted by it, m you know. But 495 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.440 but for this kind of perfect. 496 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:49.160 Dude, that's great. I mean, that's the thing. I have 497 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.599 a complicated relationship with it because I think if someone 498 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:55.559 with forty not with Jaws, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, no 499 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:59.559 with forty X. My friend actually his first when he 500 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:03.400 presented it was forty X or IMAX, and I was like, IMAX, 501 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.599 no question. Like I just my first reaction is probably 502 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:09.799 going to be to say no to forty X. 503 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:10.200 Right. 504 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.400 But that isn't to say that I haven't had good 505 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.640 experiences there. I remember the last Hunger Games movie was 506 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:16.400 actually pretty good. 507 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:17.839 Yeah you mentioned that, that's right. 508 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:20.920 Yeah, because it it was a little more subtle it, 509 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:22.720 you know, there was snow in the movie, and it 510 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.000 kind of gently snowed in the theater when that happened. 511 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.839 And I remember the best experience I had had with 512 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.319 forty X and it's so small, but this woman was 513 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:32.799 inside a building and then she walked through a doorway 514 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:36.480 to the outside, and this gentle breeze went through the 515 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.000 theater and I really felt like I had stepped outside. 516 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:41.519 I mean that that's the stuff. That's pretty cool. But 517 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.839 I've watched other things, excuse me, they're a little more violent, 518 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.079 you know, like shaking you in your seat, punching you 519 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:51.880 in your back, and I just I don't know it. 520 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.720 It's it starts sounding like a Saturday Night Live sketch, 521 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:55.160 doesn't it. 522 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:57.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But but on the other hand, I 523 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.599 did see Twister, the old one the night ninety five 524 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.039 to one, and of course that one was pretty intense. 525 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:05.680 I mean there was lightning, there was it literally rained 526 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:10.359 on us from the ceiling. The seats were going all 527 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:13.559 over the place. But it kind of worked, right, I 528 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:15.599 don't know. So it could even have to do with 529 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.079 the person who programmed it, you know that that. 530 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:22.640 Was my thinking. Yeah, yeah, So, like I was wondering 531 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:26.079 with Jaws like, did Spielberg sit in the chair and 532 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.039 sign off on all the stuff that they had to do? 533 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:28.720 You know? 534 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.240 I wondered that too, actually if he because I thought 535 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.079 the thing that I saw the presentation was so beautiful. 536 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.599 I wondered. But I was like, he's seen this stuff 537 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:38.240 so many times, and he has so many things that 538 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:40.519 get re released. I wonder how much of this stuff 539 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.160 actually gets put in front of him or if he 540 00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:43.960 just I don't know. 541 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.519 Yeah, but that was my question. But regardless it was 542 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:52.359 it was a good experience. Obviously, we skipped watching, you know, normally. 543 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:54.920 On fourth of July, we watched Jaws, and I knew 544 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:56.319 it was coming back to theaters, so I was like, 545 00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:57.720 you know, let's just hold off and we can see 546 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:01.480 it in the theater. But afterwards, my eleven year old 547 00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:04.480 was like, O, can we watch Jaws two? And I 548 00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:06.880 was like, yeah, sure, you know, and and so he 549 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.960 and I watched that one and and I would say 550 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.759 that the best time to watch Jaws two is when 551 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.319 you're eleven years old and you've just watched Jaws one, 552 00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:22.599 you know what I mean? Because because he just sort 553 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:24.119 of took it at face valley and he's like, yeah, 554 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.519 I liked it. I like the first time better, but 555 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:26.720 this was good, you know, And I'm like. 556 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.720 Sure, that's great, right, yeah, yeah, well that's nice. I 557 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:35.839 like that. Well, real quick, I want to ask if 558 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.319 you had heard speaking of forty X about you know, 559 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.680 there's this upcoming movie, The Long Walk. 560 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.359 That's right, Stephen King, right, yes, yeah. 561 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:50.240 So it's some dystopian future and like these kids are 562 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.920 basically forced to walk until they can walk no longer, 563 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.680 and if you stop walking, you get killed. Okay, And 564 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.400 apparently there are immersive experiences where you can watch this 565 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:00.400 movie on a tr readmill. 566 00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:03.000 Yeah. No, that's that's a no for me. 567 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.000 I was like, you know, I'm kind of interested. 568 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.359 I don't know, it sounds it's a hard pass. Yeah. 569 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.000 I don't know if this is something that they're really 570 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:13.559 going to be doing most places. It could even just 571 00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:16.400 be like some something they did for like influencers. 572 00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:20.279 I don't I don't need to be living the dystopia. 573 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.000 Yeah, have Mark Hamill behind you just yelling. 574 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.880 In your ears? Maybe in that case maybe. 575 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:27.920 Yeah. I just thought that was kind of funny. 576 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:35.319 I have seen the new season of Peacemaker, Brian, okay, 577 00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:38.160 season two right, season two? Now you have not seen 578 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.799 the first season, right, No, I haven't. Yeah, now peace 579 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:43.000 Maker the first see. This is an interesting one because 580 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.039 this show sort of straddles two different versions of the 581 00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:49.960 dc Universe, hmm, right, And and so that's sort of 582 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.279 interesting because it gives us a window into how James 583 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:58.839 gun Is is incorporating prior aspects and what he's not. 584 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:00.920 And so I don't get into it too much, I 585 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.559 will say this is very much existing in the post 586 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.279 Superman twenty twenty five world, you know, So it's picking 587 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:12.519 up on plot threads from there. Meanwhile, it's picking up 588 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:18.440 also on season one of Peacemaker, which again was part 589 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.799 of the old Zack Snyder version of the universe. 590 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:21.599 Interesting. 591 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.279 So it's funny because the very first episode of the 592 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.519 season starts with the little recap and it says previously 593 00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:34.160 in the DCU, right, And as we know, the new 594 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.640 version of the universe is called the DCU. Right, So 595 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:42.640 in essence, everything that's recapped is considered part of the DCU. 596 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:49.799 And this is all like a bunch of fanboy hugger mugger, 597 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:53.559 I'm sure, but like they do this thing where the 598 00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:58.880 first season ends with the Justice League shows up and 599 00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:02.079 the Justice League is you know, we see silhouettes of 600 00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.839 Superman and Wonder Woman and uh and and we have 601 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.079 Jason Momoa as Aquaman and Ezra Miller as as the 602 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:14.000 Flash and so we see them, we see them and 603 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:16.640 they have some some dialogue and there's a joke about 604 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:23.000 how uh Peacemaker is is spreading this rumor that that 605 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:27.279 Aquaman has sex with Fish. And then Aquaman's like, I 606 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:29.920 wish people would stop, you know, spreading that rumor. And 607 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.359 then Ezra Miller's like, it's not a rumor, you know, 608 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.880 and and he's like if you berry, you know. And 609 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.759 so at the beginning of this season, they do the 610 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.240 recap and they show they show that it's not the 611 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:44.839 Justice League, it's the Justice Gang. 612 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:45.680 Mm. 613 00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:48.960 Interesting, So they did a little like a d R 614 00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:50.759 where a character is like, can you call in the 615 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.240 Justice Gang instead of the Justice League? And then and 616 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:57.400 then we see a silhouette of Superman, a silhouette of Supergirl, 617 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.599 and we see a Hawk Girl and Gardner. 618 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.240 Oh funny, And. 619 00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.599 So they've like retconned that instead of a rumor about 620 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.279 Aquaman having sex with Fish, it's a rumor about how 621 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:14.960 Guy Gardner is a has a puke fetish, and so 622 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.640 they just they just again, it's just in there. It's 623 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:19.839 before the episode even starts, it's in the recap. This 624 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.079 is a little ret con, right, And and I was like, 625 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.720 I just found I was tickled by that because I'm like, yeah, well, 626 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:29.640 this is this is like if you've if you've read 627 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.559 DC comics for any length of time, this is just 628 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:34.880 this is part of the course. This is just a 629 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.599 Tuesday when it comes to DC because they're ret conning 630 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.480 shit all the time. Sure, and you have to have 631 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.519 a scorecard of what still cannon and what's not. And 632 00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.160 I'm like, oh, hey, so we're just doing that in 633 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.000 live action. And I'm like that's pretty funny to me. 634 00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:50.480 But it's been amusing to see sort of online just 635 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:54.920 people people getting really frustrated trying to figure this out. 636 00:32:54.960 --> 00:33:00.359 And I'm like, I'm like, oh, oh, precious child, you 637 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.599 know this is you know, they're just doing in in 638 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:07.759 in live action what they've been doing in the comics 639 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:08.839 for decades. 640 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.799 So they didn't even say some sort of like multiverse, 641 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:18.519 oh there was a lightning storm by a generator. Yeah, no, 642 00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.480 Fermi lab yeah, yeah. 643 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.920 I mean the idea is like some of what happened 644 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.720 before it counts some of it, didn't, you know, when 645 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:35.039 we once we refer to it, consider it cannon, which, 646 00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:35.359 by the. 647 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.240 Way, I mean obviously I watch a lot of this stuff, 648 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.319 so I'm a little bit conditioned, but I just feel 649 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.119 like we're in a moment now where I see that 650 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:42.599 and I go. 651 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:46.480 All right, I mean really right, like how much? How 652 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:48.359 much do you want to get worked up over this stuff? 653 00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:49.079 Right? Right? 654 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.880 So so the series it is extremely r rated. 655 00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:57.119 Yeah, you even just talking about the puke stuff or whatever, 656 00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.559 it's like, oh, this is goun sort of like like 657 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.480 almost like he was half holding his breath while he 658 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.440 was writing Superman and doing that. He can be like 659 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.519 and just sort of let what he's been a bit 660 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:09.360 pent up. 661 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.960 In the In the first episode, there's a full on 662 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.039 org scene where you see everything. Oh wow, yeah, so 663 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:21.480 don't don't don't gather around the kiddies like kids, did 664 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.599 you like Superman? Yeah? 665 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.000 I mean I can't think of specific examples, but it 666 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.599 does feel like, well, I mean I just Star Wars 667 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.280 or Marvel or whatever. It does feel like when they 668 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.320 do their shows they don't push things well, because there 669 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:38.639 was the Netflix Marvel that felt a little bit more 670 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:43.039 R rated, right, Daredevil and everything. Yeah, but it was 671 00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:45.800 sort of understood that if you watch something with the 672 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.599 Marvel logo at the beginning, whether on Disney Plus or 673 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.360 you know, in the theater, you're gonna be in the 674 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.800 same arena in terms of like age appropriateness. Right, So 675 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.159 this is interesting that this is just sort of without 676 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:02.079 even any sort of warning or it's like, hey, like Superman, 677 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:03.719 you got this thing over here too, and then you 678 00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:05.599 don't exactly know what you're stepping into. 679 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.159 It sounds like, I mean, I look, I I I 680 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.719 think that personally, I think these brands should be pushing 681 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:17.320 out in these directions more. I think we should just 682 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.400 be able to encompass multitudes. Sure, I think I think that, 683 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:27.480 you know, well, like Marvel, well they got their Daredevil, 684 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:29.840 you know, they brought back Daredevil. That's pretty R rated. 685 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:31.480 They got there, They got there, Yeah. 686 00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:33.440 And they got this Marvel Zombies coming up that shir 687 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.119 doesn't look like you know, it's going to be TVPG 688 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:41.039 And I'm like good, you know, like, you know, I 689 00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:45.480 I think that that what parent is going to watch 690 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.559 Peacemaker with their kid? You know, I would I would 691 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:51.519 offer a bad parent, right, because. 692 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.079 It's funny you say that, because I was actually thinking 693 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:53.800 more than you think. 694 00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:01.440 Yeah, and and all of them bad, every single I mean, 695 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:05.599 you know, do some due diligence, you know, well like 696 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:06.440 watch it first? 697 00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.480 Sure, sure, yeah, I mean that's what you would hope 698 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.639 most parents would do vet things for their kids. And yeah, 699 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:14.360 who knows. 700 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.440 Uh real quick. I wanted to mention also, so the 701 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.599 Peacemaker season is playing out right now. I think we're 702 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.599 about three episodes in. By the way, have you watched Alien, 703 00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.360 the Alien TV series? No? 704 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:33.519 I meant to, and then this month got a little busy. Yeah, 705 00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:35.599 and then I even thought like, well, I'll binge it 706 00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:36.159 at some point. 707 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:37.400 That's kind of where I'm at. 708 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:39.719 And I'm hearing sort of tepid things about it. 709 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.239 So well, here I'm hearing reactions spanning the spectrum, okay, 710 00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:47.280 because I have people who are singing its praises week 711 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.880 upon week. Okay, and then people are like, God, this 712 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.159 thing is just dull as a dishrag. So yeah, I 713 00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:53.679 don't know. 714 00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.159 Well, I'm very curious to hear what you think. Maybe 715 00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:01.920 I'll it'll be easier when there's you know, six in 716 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.400 a row. I can just sort of do it my 717 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:03.880 own pace. 718 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:08.920 Yeah. You know. The critic who reviewed it for The 719 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.000 Chronicles that it's the best thing that's happened with the 720 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.480 franchise in decades, and that has me kind of interesting. 721 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:18.880 I do love the idea of stories, like I don't 722 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.280 neither to be a monster movie every week. I like 723 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.719 the idea of there being stories set in this universe, 724 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.960 in particular, I guess on Earth, which is kind of interesting. 725 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.960 So I'm cool with that. Like, I'm cool with exploring 726 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.239 the world a little bit and not having to be yeah, 727 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.199 you know, thrill a minute per se, as long as 728 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.440 there's good characters and intriguing ideas. 729 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.480 The only thing I and look, I don't know anything 730 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:48.360 about the show except that it's set before the first film, right, 731 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.400 but it's set on Earth, and that has me confused 732 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:52.920 a little bit. 733 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:55.079 Sure, yeah, right. 734 00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:56.960 As far as how that, I mean, we're just talking 735 00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:58.960 about canon and stuff. But I got as it fit in, 736 00:37:59.199 --> 00:37:59.400 you know. 737 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.719 Yeah, I and Noah Holly, who I tend to like 738 00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:06.559 the Yeah, Fargo. I really liked Fargo. The TV show 739 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.920 was skeptical when it started. I want to say, there's 740 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.199 like four or five seasons, and I've really liked maybe 741 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.480 three of them pretty pretty much liked one of them, 742 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.760 and there was one that I most people seem to 743 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:20.880 not like, and I haven't gotten around to that one, 744 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:22.880 but I would say, by and large pretty good. 745 00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.639 Yeah, very weird, very. 746 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:32.480 I don't know how, but they've managed to remix Fargo 747 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:34.559 in a weird sort of way with new characters and 748 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:38.280 new ideas but still feel like, Yeah, that feels kind 749 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.719 of like the movie Fargo without repeating itself. And so 750 00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.599 it's it's I would say it was a successful experiment. 751 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.239 So I find him pretty interesting. And so seeing how 752 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:52.760 he remixes or builds out alien that universe, I'm curious. 753 00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:55.679 One last thing I wanted to mention, and this is 754 00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.199 a show. It's a mini series that's starting on HBO 755 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.079 this weekend as we record this UH, and it's called 756 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:08.559 Task I don't know, Yeah, it's it's UH. It's created 757 00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:13.480 by Brad Inglesby, who did Mayor of Easttown, Okay, and 758 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:15.239 it's kind of set in the same did you see 759 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:15.960 Mary Beastown? 760 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:17.199 No, I'm familiar with. 761 00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.000 It, Yeah, with with Kate Winslet. So so this UH 762 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:26.119 has Mark Ruffalo as the head of an FBI task 763 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.480 force that's trying to find some criminals who are doing 764 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:33.679 these uh smash and grabs in various people's houses. And 765 00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.840 it's essentially I mean it's it's like an eight episode 766 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:43.960 investigation or seven episodes. Excuse me, and I I I 767 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.440 I like the show, like I would recommend it more 768 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:53.000 for the performances than the the Like the criminal storyline. 769 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.199 I didn't find that particularly compelling, But I think I 770 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:02.039 think Ruffalo as the main character, I mean, he's just great. Obviously, 771 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.440 at no point does he say they knew, which is 772 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:05.280 disappointing to me. 773 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:09.360 I was gonna ask, so he requests that from you. 774 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:18.719 I he plays uh An, an ex priest who has 775 00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.880 lost his faith, and and he's he's working in it 776 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.280 as an FBI agent, and there's a reason for that. 777 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.119 And I think that that arc that they give him 778 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:28.920 is really interesting. He's such a great actor, you know, 779 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:30.840 And I think a lot of these actors, the older 780 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:32.639 they get, the more sort of character they have on 781 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:35.079 their face, you know. I think I think Ruffalo is 782 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:40.199 one of those guys. And also the the the the 783 00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.639 the the criminal that they're pursuing. His name is Tom 784 00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.760 Pelfrey and the actor is Tom Pelfrey. Who he was. 785 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:47.960 He was on Ozark. 786 00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:50.239 Okay, I didn't watch Ozark. 787 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.159 He's very good. He was very good on Ozark from 788 00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.079 what I saw, and he's very good here. So both 789 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.000 of them are really good. Uh. I think the the 790 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:03.679 upside is it's it's only seven episodes, which is kind 791 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:05.760 of nice, right, like yeah, yeah, it's like, you know, 792 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.920 it's not a season long thing, and so in that sense, 793 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:11.559 I think the arcs that they set up in the 794 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:16.079 beginning payoff pretty well. I watched it all at once. 795 00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:19.320 I don't know how it'll play week to week, but 796 00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:23.320 it is being dropped every week on HBO, and I 797 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:27.119 would recommend it, if nothing else, just for the performances. 798 00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:29.800 You know, now that you describe it. I do remember 799 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:32.679 seeing a trailer for this, okay, at least a month ago, 800 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:35.760 maybe even more, and I remember thinking, yeah, it just 801 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:39.039 looked I couldn't put my finger on exactly why, but 802 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.039 it did feel compelling, like yeah, like, oh that's something 803 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.760 that maybe I would give a shot, just because maybe 804 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.159 it's what you were saying. The performances were drawing me in. 805 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:51.440 Yeah. As I was watching it, I was like, you know, 806 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:59.440 I would love to see the Ruffalo arc in support 807 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:04.679 of like more of an episodic procedural where we're going 808 00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:09.280 from case to case, but we've got these you know, 809 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:10.719 I mean again kind of what you see on a 810 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.719 traditional network show, where you've got these character arcs that 811 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:18.679 we're following, but but we're like we're the you know, 812 00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:21.360 you're you're not living or dying based on how interesting 813 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:25.159 the case itself is, you know, right, But but still 814 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.800 I would still recommend it. It's not it didn't blow 815 00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.719 me away, but I did find it compelling. I think 816 00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:35.039 the performance make it worth while. Honestly, this is this 817 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:36.920 is just a month or so after that that that 818 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.840 other show that I mentioned called Untamed with with Eric 819 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.280 Banna oh right, yeah, yeah, which is on Netflix. And 820 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:45.679 the truth is the two of them kind of make 821 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.639 for an interesting double header because because again kind of 822 00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:54.039 the same drill. Eric Banna playing a very similar character 823 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.400 to to to what Ruffalo is playing. Hm hm, you know, 824 00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:03.840 he's he's uh, he's an officer and he's got this 825 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:06.119 personal trauma he's working through. And you know, for me, 826 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.000 it's like sometimes you just want to watch these great 827 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.519 actors just just really make a meal out of this. 828 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:14.000 You know, Oh, totally you know, you know, I was 829 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.559 just googling really fast because when you were talking about 830 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:19.760 it being more about the character and less about the case, 831 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.639 I wondered if it was based on a book or something, right, 832 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.440 and it doesn't look like it is. But according to 833 00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:31.480 the showrunner, this was inspired by his real life uncle 834 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.679 who used to be a priest, so it's coming from somewhere. 835 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:36.000 The character study of. 836 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:40.400 It, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, I mean, well that that 837 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:44.440 journey is always very compelling to me, right, I mean 838 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:46.199 I think that's why I think you and I both 839 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.239 really liked mel Gibson's character and signs. Yeah, right, like 840 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:55.079 what what what does one go through when they're confronted 841 00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.400 with you know, their their faith being shad in some 842 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.239 way and having to reclaim it. 843 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.679 It's a great example because when I think of that movie, 844 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.400 that's almost what I think about first. Yeah, right, for 845 00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:14.960 the Aliens. Yeah, it's the lead character's personal story and 846 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.400 an alien invasion is the backdrop to his you know, 847 00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:19.920 his searching and his growth. 848 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.840 Yeah, it's so funny. You know, this past week in 849 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.920 my class, I was talking about standard narrative structure, and 850 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.599 you know, you start at a state of equilibrium and 851 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.480 then and then some some question is introduced, some enigma, 852 00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:34.800 and then that leads to disequilibrium, and then we're trying 853 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.559 to get back to equilibrium, right, And I was like, 854 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:39.679 you know, that's structure. It's a pretty sturdy thing, and 855 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.760 you can you can you can look at it and 856 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:44.760 just apply it to just about any film. But you 857 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:48.079 know what I kept trying to to emphasize to my 858 00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:53.199 students is we're talking about the emotional journey. That's what 859 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:56.159 you got you need to figure out, right, you know, 860 00:44:56.280 --> 00:45:02.360 like why do we care about you know, Luke Skywalker whoever. 861 00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:05.119 It's because because you've set an emotional journey for him 862 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:06.960 to go on and involves him going through all these 863 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:11.719 these actions. But it's because we're invested in in how 864 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.719 he grows as a person or whatever. You know. 865 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:18.119 Absolutely, and I said growth regarding Signs and Bill Gibson, 866 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:19.800 but I would say that character it's more about healing, 867 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.599 you know, and that's just really compelling and heart wrenching 868 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.880 and you know, satisfying to watch sometimes. And actually I 869 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:32.079 mean that you can talk about that with Cott Stealing today. 870 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:32.960 Yeah, right, I. 871 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.599 Mean I was surprised how much it was a character story. 872 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:35.920 Very much. 873 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:36.000 So. 874 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:41.119 Yeah, Hey, we got some listener letters though, Brian, well 875 00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:48.519 be you have eighteen thousands all addressed. 876 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:55.159 You've got Mayo. 877 00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:58.920 Uh so, hey, here's a note we got on Facebook 878 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.719 from Marshall Perry and this is in regards to your 879 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.559 adventures with cutting the cord. Brian. Oh all right, so, 880 00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:10.440 he says, Oh man, I lived vicariously through Brian Hall 881 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.960 and how he would watch movies just because he came 882 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:18.320 across them on cable randomly. Right, he says, I've been 883 00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.760 paralyzed by choice for over a decade, and I missed 884 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.360 the bygone era of simply watching what came on. I 885 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.880 learned to love so many movies simply because I was 886 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.320 forced to give them a chance. By the way, thanks 887 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:35.440 for putting that feature presentation sound bite from nineties VHS 888 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.599 tapes before your reviews. Hearing that again after so many 889 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:41.119 years and knowing exactly what it was is why I'm 890 00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:45.360 still listening to every episode of this podcast for ten years. 891 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:46.760 Oh, thank you for that. 892 00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:51.599 You know we've talked about this before, about how like 893 00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:57.000 you and I and our generation like we watched Gilgian's 894 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.880 Island because it was on, Yes, know, we watched the 895 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:03.559 Monsters and the Adams family and all this stuff, right, 896 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:08.800 Brady Bunch exactly predated us because that's what was on. 897 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.480 And I I look back, and I'm so grateful for 898 00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:15.280 that because it's part of my the mosaic of my life, 899 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.960 you know. Yeah, And and and we really don't have 900 00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:24.239 that because because what Marshall says about being paralyzed by choice. Man, 901 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:27.719 that seriously, that's that speaks for so many of us. 902 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:28.320 Hm. 903 00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:33.639 Right, Like, like my my brother, he uses my voodoo 904 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.159 and and I'll be like, hey, you should watch this movie, 905 00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.840 or you should watch this movie. For for for for 906 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:45.639 ten damn years, I've been telling him to watch Arrival, Okay, 907 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:48.880 the you know, the dni Villeneuve movie. Yeah, and this 908 00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.199 is a movie I know he will like. And he's like, 909 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.519 I know I would like it. But every time I 910 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.920 go to your voodoo, I just I see all the 911 00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.000 things and I just forget what I'm looking for. Yeah, 912 00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.599 And he's like, he said to me, He's like, would 913 00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:05.960 you mind curating a list for me of things you 914 00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:06.719 think I would like? 915 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.960 Hmm, a little personal video store for him. 916 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.119 To Yeah exactly. I'm like like, just this is you know, 917 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.280 and I've done that for AMNNA and and you know, 918 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.840 I was thinking, I was like, this is you know, 919 00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:21.760 this is the trade off, right, like back back in 920 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.840 the days of like we're talking pre cable, you had 921 00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:32.119 three networks. Yeah, and that made things easier because it's 922 00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.760 a one third chance you're gonna find something m or 923 00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.000 you'll just turn it off, so one out of four, 924 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.639 you know, And and you know, paralyzed by choice. That's 925 00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:45.719 so applicable because because how many times do we do 926 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:48.119 we just scroll through Netflix and just say I don't 927 00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:48.880 even know. 928 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.360 Yeah, you know, it's and the difference is, yes, you 929 00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:55.760 are scrolling through Netflix, but you're just looking at tiles 930 00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:57.760 with pictures on them. But when I was a kid, 931 00:48:57.800 --> 00:48:59.400 I mean that's how I discovered They Live. 932 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:00.400 You know. 933 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.000 It was eleven thirty at night and I was flipping 934 00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.159 in Channel fifty in the Chicago Land area. Was halfway 935 00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.679 through They Live, and I saw a guy wearing sunglasses 936 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:10.960 and when he put them on, suddenly normal people look 937 00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:14.159 like aliens. And I was like, well, what's this? You know, 938 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.239 but I might not have clicked on the tile. Yeah, 939 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:19.800 if I was flipping through you know, Netflix or something 940 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.639 and spinal tap. That's how I first saw spinal tap 941 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:26.920 flipping channels, you know, back in the day, and I 942 00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:30.440 don't know, there's just something kind of magical about it. 943 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:33.719 But the paralyzed by choice thing is interesting. And also 944 00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:38.000 the other thing he said where he forgets why he 945 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:40.480 opened up the app in the first place, what he 946 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:43.639 was looking for. I think I've talked about this before, 947 00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.440 but I have in the past several years. The app 948 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:50.719 I use most on my phone is the notes app. Like, 949 00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:52.920 I have a to do list that I write every 950 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.000 single day. I even put lunch on there, just for 951 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:58.360 the satisfaction of being able to cross off things as 952 00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:01.599 I get through my day, and it's very helpful and satisfying. 953 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:03.360 And then people will be like, oh, you know tomorrow 954 00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:06.159 is such and such birthday. I oh, just it's habit now. 955 00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.159 I put it in the notes app, and then I 956 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:11.280 don't forget these things. And one of the notes that 957 00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:14.880 I keep is it's called to watch. And so when 958 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.039 people recommend things to me, I have a whole long 959 00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:22.039 list of recommendations. And then I also have things that 960 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:23.880 are sort of at the top of my mind right now, 961 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:25.280 things that I feel like I'm kind of in the 962 00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:27.360 mood for. So there's maybe like five or six or 963 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:29.599 seven things there. So when it's nighttime and I'm not 964 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:31.440 sure what I want to click on, I look at 965 00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:35.920 that app or the note and I'm, oh, yeah, actually, 966 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.800 I'm kind of in the paper moon mood tonight, you know, 967 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:42.280 versus like the more violent gangster movie or whatever. And 968 00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:44.760 I find that personally very helpful. 969 00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.039 Well, there you go. Hopefully Marshall finds that helpful too. 970 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:50.159 Yeah. 971 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.599 Here's a note we got from Rob Kelly, and this 972 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.719 is in reference to our commentary track for Terminator Genesis, 973 00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:01.280 a film that neither you nor I had particular affinity 974 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:06.960 four before we hit play or after. And Rob says, 975 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.920 it's a testament to how much I like your commentaries 976 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:14.480 that I listened to this because hot take incoming. I 977 00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:18.960 think there's exactly one good Terminator movie, the first one 978 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.280 that is a hot take, that is hot take. But 979 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:24.880 this was such a fun listen with you guys trying 980 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.400 to stay positive under what had to be challenging circumstances. 981 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:29.760 A great listen. 982 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:31.079 Wow, thank you, Rob. 983 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.920 So exactly one good Terminator movie, Brian. 984 00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.320 I was gonna say, I mean you could even say 985 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.039 maybe a hot take is that The first one is 986 00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:44.239 the best one. Yeah, you know, but it's like, oh. 987 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.960 Well, you know, I. 988 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.679 Can see why you might feel that way, but just 989 00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:51.519 only the first one. Yeah, that's the only good one. Wow, 990 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:53.519 them is fighting words. 991 00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:58.599 Now you're not with us, we say, hey live and 992 00:51:58.719 --> 00:51:59.079 let live. 993 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.599 But yeah, sure, but I was gonna say, I I 994 00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:05.280 saw the second one first. That's right, And so I 995 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.519 mean I am that's alike a Brian Cannon event in 996 00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:13.559 that movie. But I can imagine possibly if you saw 997 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:17.079 the first one in eighty four first, and that got 998 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:20.039 seered into your psyche for several years. The sequel didn't 999 00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:24.480 come till several years later, then thinking that as good 1000 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.000 as the second one is, you know, it just didn't 1001 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:28.800 have the same impact on you. I can imagine that. 1002 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:30.119 Yeah. 1003 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:33.840 Actually no, I can't what am I saying? But I 1004 00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:35.199 appreciate I appreciate you Rob. 1005 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.800 Yeah, well I I saw the first one first. I 1006 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:45.000 think we've talked about this, But again, I was I 1007 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.400 was five when I saw the first one. Sure, you know, 1008 00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:51.320 so I was. I was still my my, my wet, 1009 00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:55.360 my my wet cement was was ready and willing for 1010 00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:59.559 whatever the second one had to offer. You know, thank 1011 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.320 you for that. Here's a comment we got on YouTube, 1012 00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.360 and this is you know, the great thing about having 1013 00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.760 our stuff on YouTube is people dig real deep into 1014 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:11.719 the archives. So this is from Luke's mail twenty four 1015 00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:13.800 and this is in reference to our commentary track for 1016 00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:19.000 Superman three, which it has been a minute since we 1017 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:20.480 did that one. 1018 00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.559 But I remember it. I remember recording that because it 1019 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:23.320 was so much fun. 1020 00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:28.079 So he says, awesome commentary as usual. I remember, even 1021 00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.400 as a kid seeing this movie in the nineteen eighties, 1022 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:33.119 and even as a five year old thinking what are 1023 00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:37.480 you doing? It is still one of the most baffling 1024 00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:42.119 creative decisions ever to me. You have two massive blockbusters 1025 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:44.960 and you decide to center the third film around a comedian, 1026 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.079 a hugely popular one, I grant you, but still it 1027 00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:53.639 would be like centering Avengers Doomsday around Dave Chappelle. I get, 1028 00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:57.880 I kind of want to watch that now. I get 1029 00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.519 humors subjective, but have you ever heard anyone say Superman 1030 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:06.599 three is hilarious? That's a good that's very funny. To me, 1031 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:09.960 this film is one of the biggest missed opportunities in history, 1032 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:13.199 and for that reason, probably in the minority here. I 1033 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:16.440 even prefer to watch the much more hated Superman four. 1034 00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.199 Even with that film's massive faults, I can go well, 1035 00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.000 at least its heart was in the right place. 1036 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:22.639 I agree with that take. 1037 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:24.800 By the way, Superma, I don't know that that is 1038 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:29.280 a minority take. I feel like I feel like that idea, like, well, 1039 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.000 at least it's trying to tell like a serious story. 1040 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:34.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like a good bad movie. 1041 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.480 Yeah. I think they're both bad in different ways. 1042 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:41.639 Yeah, of fun bad. 1043 00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:45.440 Fun bad. Yeah, maybe good might be, might be yeah, 1044 00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:48.840 a walk too far right, But I think both of 1045 00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:52.280 them have have their their pluses, foremost among them being 1046 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:55.719 Christopher Reeve is just acting as ass off under what 1047 00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:58.440 I can only imagine very trying circumstances. 1048 00:54:58.719 --> 00:54:59.079 Yeah. 1049 00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:02.719 Yeah, Speaking of Superman, here is a note I got 1050 00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:06.440 from Sandy. They said, Hey, Zachy, love the show and 1051 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.519 have been listening for more than ten years. I always 1052 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:11.440 enjoy the way you and Brian take a balanced approach 1053 00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:14.599 whenever you're discussing your reactions to movies and don't get 1054 00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.000 too bogged down by all the fanboy shit that we 1055 00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.800 see on the internet. That said, I have a question. 1056 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.039 I was hoping you might be able to clarify for me. 1057 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:26.079 I see so much discussion online about how Superman the 1058 00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:28.280 new movie, the twenty twenty five movie is a big 1059 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:32.000 hit and Man of Steel was a big flop. I 1060 00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:34.119 have to admit this is a little confusing for me. 1061 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.400 Man of Steel made something like six hundred and seventy 1062 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:41.320 million worldwide and Superman is topping out at just over 1063 00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:45.039 six hundred million. Granted, I'm a big Man of Steel fan, 1064 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.639 and I definitely liked that one more than the new one, 1065 00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:50.800 but I don't think I'm biased, and I'm asking why 1066 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:54.239 the disparity and how these numbers are being reported. Hope 1067 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:55.480 this is something you can tackle. 1068 00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.000 Yeah, I'm actually yeah, curious to hear you. 1069 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:06.760 Well, Okay, so first of all, Man of Steel is 1070 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:13.079 like retrospectively being called a flop. It by who by folks. 1071 00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:14.760 See this is the problem. You got folks at the 1072 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:19.000 gendas on either side, right, yeah, And this is look. 1073 00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:21.599 Man of Steel is not a flop. Yeah, yeah, I 1074 00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:24.559 mean it just wasn't. It did very well. Now, you 1075 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.000 might have had people inside the studio who were hoping 1076 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.000 it was going to touch a billion dollars. Sure, but 1077 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:33.760 that was We've talked about this before, that that's a 1078 00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:38.159 weird metric. M hm, right, I'm sure because at twenty thirteen, 1079 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:42.079 so it was shortly after the Dark Knight rises, so 1080 00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.079 they were like, oh, Christopher Nolan, do you know, No, 1081 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.360 it's gonna make Dark Knight money. But like, why would 1082 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:48.039 you think that. 1083 00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:52.960 I forgot that Christopher Nolan, his name was on Man 1084 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:54.400 of Steel. No, I talk about that. 1085 00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:56.559 Yeah, I mean they used that to really promote the 1086 00:56:56.559 --> 00:57:00.199 shit out of it, right right, right, and that that 1087 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:05.320 was unreasonable. But at the time, making six hundred and 1088 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.880 seventy million dollars, well, that was a big deal. And 1089 00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:12.800 and you know, it did well enough for them to 1090 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:17.840 announce the follow up, you know, within whatever it was 1091 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.079 like six weeks, right, because it came out June of 1092 00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:24.599 twenty thirteen. By July at Comic Con they announced Baman 1093 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:28.440 Versus Superman. Right now, I'm sure they're thinking, was, oh, 1094 00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.800 if we put Batman in the sequel, then it'll make 1095 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.480 a billion, right. Didn't do that either. That's a separate discussion, right. 1096 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.760 But Man of Steel by itself, that was a that 1097 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:42.480 did well. So this idea that Man is Steel flopped 1098 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.679 and Superman is not a flop is not true. They 1099 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:51.320 both have done Okay, Now, as far as Superman's box office, 1100 00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.559 I haven't looked into this, but I'm fairly certain. Well, 1101 00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:55.840 you know, we can, we can look at it around. 1102 00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:57.679 Yeah yeah, I was just thinking, yeah, I don't having 1103 00:57:57.760 --> 00:57:59.400 this pulled up, but I'm curious now. 1104 00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:03.880 I'm guessing that if we were to look at the 1105 00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:12.239 difference in numbers, there would be a China sized difference. Right, yeah, 1106 00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:17.320 look at this. There we go. So this is from Forbes. 1107 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:22.800 It says Man of Steel finished at sixty three million 1108 00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:29.440 in China. Okay, so there we go. Right there, China 1109 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:35.280 is not interested in superhero movies anymore. So what we 1110 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:38.199 were seeing throughout the twenty tens was was Chinese box 1111 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:44.280 office was rescuing American movies that happened to Terminator Genesis 1112 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.119 as a matter of fact, yep. 1113 00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:49.760 And there was a lot of effort right on us 1114 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:54.519 filmmaker's behalf to appease them, right, I mean, wasn't it. 1115 00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:58.360 Iron Man three had like an entire scene that wasn't 1116 00:58:58.400 --> 00:58:59.719 even in the US cut, but it was in the 1117 00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:00.679 China version. 1118 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.679 That featured yeah that's right, Oh yeah. 1119 00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:06.639 Chinese actors, and it also featured Chinese products. Funny, right, 1120 00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.880 like a soda or something, but we didn't see that. 1121 00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:14.159 But just to try to get the Chinese money, yep, 1122 00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:15.440 Marvel went the extra mile. 1123 00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:18.760 Yeah, one of the Transformers movies had a big China 1124 00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:19.400 set piece. 1125 00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:20.440 Yep, yep. 1126 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:26.039 Right, So so there there's the distinction. As far as Superman. 1127 00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:30.840 Look it. What's the most up to date box office 1128 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:32.440 as we're recording this, the current one? 1129 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:36.559 Yeah, domestic three hundred and fifty two million, worldwide six 1130 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:37.719 hundred and twelve. 1131 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.199 Six hundred and twelve. Look that. I mean that that is, 1132 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:43.440 if we live in a world where six hundred and 1133 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.239 twelve is considered a flop, then I don't even know 1134 00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:49.679 what we're doing. It's not a flop. A flop, no. 1135 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:53.840 Do I think Warner Brothers hoped it might do better? Yeah, 1136 00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:57.639 totally probably, But I just think that the landscape for 1137 00:59:57.760 --> 00:59:59.920 superhero movies has changed drastically. 1138 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:03.960 Landscape for superhero movies and just movies that too. Yeah, 1139 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:06.360 I mean, it's really it's something's taking me a very 1140 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:09.719 long time to catch up with. I continue to be 1141 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:12.559 shocked when I look at the box office numbers every weekend, 1142 01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:16.079 but this is because they're so insanely low, Like it'll 1143 01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:18.039 blow my mind when number ten at the box office 1144 01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:21.280 could be less than a million, like this is unprecedented, 1145 01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.400 But the fact is it's kind of becoming precedented, like 1146 01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:26.039 that we're in a new era. 1147 01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:28.480 We are in a new era. And here's the other 1148 01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:30.159 thing to think about is, you know, we were just 1149 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:32.199 talking about the Dark Knight Rises, which broke a billion 1150 01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:36.760 dollars Batman Begins. Batman Begins made about three hundred and 1151 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:37.639 seventy million. 1152 01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:40.559 Worldwide, right right, right right. 1153 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.639 And this is the thing, right because because box office 1154 01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.599 is only one one part of this, because Batman Begins 1155 01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.800 did okay relative to his box office. But what was 1156 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:51.880 it trying to do? I mean, it was coming back 1157 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.480 after eight years and Batman and Robin there was a 1158 01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:57.559 lot of reclamation that had to happen, right, and then 1159 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.199 you know, word of mouth on it was good, and 1160 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.519 then it continued to play on home video. And I 1161 01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:06.880 have a feeling that whatever happens next with Superman and 1162 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:11.800 you tell me, I mean, just anecdotally, the feeling from 1163 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.599 people like random people who have no real connection to 1164 01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:17.639 this or like, man, I really enjoyed that movie. 1165 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:20.599 Yeah yeah, I mean my parents loved it. 1166 01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:25.159 See, and that's something that is sort of intangible, but 1167 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:27.320 I think it's going to matter going forward. 1168 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:31.039 You know, speaking of a new era. We were talking 1169 01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:37.199 about this recently. It's interesting that the box office numbers are, 1170 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:40.960 for some reason the final statement on a film's success. Yeah, 1171 01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:45.360 for many people, right, because yes, Superman at this point, 1172 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:49.159 which is now streaming six hundred and twelve worldwide, got it. 1173 01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:54.519 But it's also now in it's streaming, you can rent it, 1174 01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:57.599 you can purchase it, and that's going to make millions 1175 01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.960 and millions more dollars. But that doesn't get tacked on 1176 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.280 to this number that we see on box office Mojo, 1177 01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:07.159 you know, when it's playing on airplanes, when it's you know, 1178 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.440 streaming on TBS for the next forty years, you know 1179 01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.920 what I mean, Like, yeah, it will continue to accumulate money, 1180 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:17.760 but we don't. The number has stopped for some reason 1181 01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:20.480 with box office alone. So I mean you think of 1182 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:24.079 something like Office Space, right where that was a movie 1183 01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:26.519 if you look at its box office. I mean it 1184 01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:29.719 was really, really bad, but that's a movie that's never 1185 01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:32.480 gone away, and it was an enormous one of the 1186 01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:36.199 top or was it. I'm thinking of Tommy Boy actually, 1187 01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:38.840 now where Tommy Boy didn't really perform in theaters. But 1188 01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:40.480 then they learned that it was one of the best 1189 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:44.000 selling DVDs in Paramount's history, or at least home video 1190 01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:46.639 releases in Paramount's history. And I think it was David 1191 01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:48.880 Spade was talking about it. He's like, you mean, like 1192 01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:52.880 alongside the Godfather. They're like, yeah, no, like Tommy boy 1193 01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:56.400 sits alongside the Godfather in terms of profitability for Paramount 1194 01:02:56.599 --> 01:03:02.079 through home video. So it's life doesn't end for a 1195 01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:05.320 movie's success once the box office numbers have shut down, 1196 01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:10.119 and especially in this new era where movies can still 1197 01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:14.079 be playing in theaters, but they are having a meaningful 1198 01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:20.519 moment in this p VODA you know era where it 1199 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:22.880 can be a month later. Superman is still in theaters, 1200 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:25.360 but now it is also available for people to watch 1201 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.119 at home at a premium price, right, you know, thirty 1202 01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:30.960 dollars a pop or to rent for twenty dollars a pop. 1203 01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:33.880 You know what I'm saying. So it's I don't know, 1204 01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:36.079 it's just funny that we use these numbers. The box 1205 01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:40.000 office numbers is the end all be all for these discussions. 1206 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:42.119 When it's right, It'd be much more interesting if there's 1207 01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:43.119 a running tally. 1208 01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:46.760 I think that would certainly be more more truthful. Yeah, right, 1209 01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:49.639 I will say with regards to Superman, I think I 1210 01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:53.159 mentioned this before. I mean, I purchased the digital copy, 1211 01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:56.599 so I have it available at home, and I'm and 1212 01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:59.320 just like, I want to watch Superman again. And she 1213 01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:02.079 never watches movies more than once in the theater. And 1214 01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:03.639 I'm like, okay, well we can watch it, you know, 1215 01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:05.559 we can watch it to you know, before we go 1216 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:06.960 to bed. She's like, no, I don't want to watch 1217 01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:08.159 it at home. I want to watch it in the theater. 1218 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:12.360 We own it, we own it. Yeah. And so I 1219 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:15.199 was like, well, fine, So we went to the theater. Yeah, 1220 01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:18.280 and it was great because it was like a Monday afternoon, 1221 01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:21.320 so it was just the two of us. We had 1222 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:25.440 a private screening of Superman. That's great, you know, But 1223 01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:28.519 I mean that's kind of my point, right Inaya, who's eight, 1224 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.360 she she's watched it three times already, once in the theater, 1225 01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:34.679 twice at home. Wow, she doesn't, I mean you know 1226 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:37.199 what I mean, Like, this stuff is anecdotally very interesting 1227 01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:40.079 to me because for whatever reason that that movie is 1228 01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:43.320 speaking to people. But again, just to reiterate, look, Man 1229 01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:46.679 of Steel did well enough to warrant a follow up 1230 01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:50.360 announcement right away. And so that movie did not flop, 1231 01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:53.119 nor nor did Superman. So we don't need to pit 1232 01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:55.360 these against each other. Believe it or not, It's possible 1233 01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:59.960 to like multiple versions. It's not revolution. 1234 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.480 I mean that's the other thing too, where it is 1235 01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:05.559 interesting just to sort of compare notes a little bit 1236 01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:09.400 and then move on. But it's just at what point, like, 1237 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:10.880 why do you have so much invested in this? 1238 01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:13.320 You know, that's what I dud You know, I've said this. 1239 01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:15.599 I've said this so many times. Unless that money is 1240 01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:19.039 coming out of or going into my pocket, I do 1241 01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:21.400 not care. It's just a movie that I either enjoy 1242 01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:22.320 or don't enjoy. 1243 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.960 Yeah, and maybe that's another thing, I mean, being fans 1244 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:28.599 as long as we have. I mean, there was probably 1245 01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:30.840 a moment where I was a little bit more invested 1246 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:34.840 in this and interested in the volley discussion about what 1247 01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:36.840 was successful and what wasn't. But at this point, I'm 1248 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:39.880 just like, I don't know, I don't know what it. 1249 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:42.480 It doesn't gain me anything, Like I'm not getting points 1250 01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:45.400 off of its box office, right, I mean, I can 1251 01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.039 be rooting for something I like to be successful so 1252 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:51.000 they'll make more, yeah for sure, But otherwise, like I 1253 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:53.280 just it just feels like a spiraling thing that will 1254 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:53.760 go nowhere. 1255 01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.119 Well with that in mind, I mean, while we're on 1256 01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:58.760 the subject, we do have a little bit of a 1257 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:08.719 headline about potential follow up to Supermantra Extra Man a 1258 01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:13.280 lot of School. So this got announced just earlier this week. 1259 01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:16.239 Kind of surprised. I was honestly surprised that that they 1260 01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:19.840 came out with this so quickly. But I suppose it's 1261 01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:24.079 a testament to the performance of the movie. 1262 01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:27.679 Yeah. Well, so they announced in twenty twenty seven, July 1263 01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:31.519 twenty twenty seven, will be getting Superman Man of Tomorrow or. 1264 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:34.679 I mean, it seems like it's just called Man of Tomorrow. 1265 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.000 Oh I see, Oh you know what, I looked up 1266 01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:38.039 the old. 1267 01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:43.320 Animated version, right, so that which is a good movie 1268 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.639 by the way, it's an animated movie. Yeah. 1269 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.280 Will this be inspired by that? Is this a story 1270 01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:50.280 that was in comics first? That is behind? 1271 01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:53.039 You know? Well, here's what's interesting to me is that 1272 01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:56.599 what James Gunn has said in the past is oh, 1273 01:06:56.639 --> 01:07:00.880 he was working on something that involved Superman, but is 1274 01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:04.800 not a straight ahead sequel to the movie. That just 1275 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:09.719 came out, and then this gets announced, and somebody asked 1276 01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:14.079 him online, or is this in addition to is this 1277 01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.920 sequel in addition to that other thing you said? And 1278 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.360 he said, no, this is that thing. This is not 1279 01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:24.000 really Superman too, to which I said, thank you for 1280 01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:32.039 that clarification, which only makes things even more confusing. So 1281 01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:38.880 this was released online in addition to a piece of 1282 01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:43.360 artwork by Jim Lee with Lex Luthor wearing his green 1283 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:49.239 and purple power suit alongside Superman holding what appears to 1284 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:53.440 be a screwdriver. And so when he said, and so 1285 01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:57.840 I'm just looking at deadline right here. So DC already 1286 01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:02.840 has Supergirl bowing on June twenty sixth of next year, 1287 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:07.159 and then we got a Man of Tomorrow coming in 1288 01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:10.639 July ninth of twenty twenty seven, so we got three 1289 01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:15.320 years in a row of super shenanigans. But my thought 1290 01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:20.439 is this when he says this is not this involved Superman, 1291 01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:23.039 but is not a Superman sequel? That makes me wonder 1292 01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:24.720 is this a Lex Luthor movie? 1293 01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:25.680 Hmm? 1294 01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:29.960 And by Man of Tomorrow is he referring to Lex Luthor? 1295 01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:32.359 That was my thought. 1296 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:39.560 I'm well, does that sound like what the older film 1297 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:43.000 is about. I mean, does this resemble that. 1298 01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:44.880 That animated movie. No, that's just like that's just like 1299 01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:46.279 a Superman origin story. 1300 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:48.439 That's just a general title Man of Tomorrow. 1301 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.439 Yeah, because Superman, like that's one of his names. Okay, 1302 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:53.600 he's a Man of Steel, is the Man of Tomorrow? 1303 01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:56.359 He's the Man of La Mancha. I think that's also 1304 01:08:57.119 --> 01:08:57.560 the title. 1305 01:08:57.760 --> 01:08:58.359 That's fine. 1306 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:04.680 I yeah, the title is like generic enough to mean anything. 1307 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:07.439 But what I'm drilling down on is the fact that 1308 01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:11.880 he's like, this is not the Superman sequel, which like 1309 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:12.800 what does that even mean? 1310 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:17.800 I'm it's kind of cool, you know, like don't know, 1311 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:22.800 you know, he doesn't feel beholden to making sequels the 1312 01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:24.520 way that we know them. He's just got the stories 1313 01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.479 he wants to tell within this universe, and hopefully they're 1314 01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:30.439 good enough that we get used to something a little different. 1315 01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:32.880 See I'm gonna sound old passioned here. I'm like, can 1316 01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:35.319 can we not do this all the time? 1317 01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:38.039 Not all the time? Don't get me wrong, because I 1318 01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:41.760 I we've talked about this with the Man of Steel, 1319 01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:44.479 where you know, then you get Batman vs. Superman and whatever, 1320 01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:47.239 but we never got a proper Man of Steel sequel. Right, 1321 01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:49.720 and that bums me out right, So, I mean I 1322 01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:52.359 definitely want I don't know what he has in store. 1323 01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:54.640 I don't know if Superman just sort of comes in 1324 01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:56.720 and out of this thing and it is alexuth story. 1325 01:09:57.199 --> 01:09:59.960 Hopefully it's good, but you know, I definitely want another Superman. 1326 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:02.560 Well this is but see this is my point, right, 1327 01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:06.760 like like this is this is some semantic shenanigans that 1328 01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:10.279 filmmakers do. Or they're like, well, it's not technically a sequel. 1329 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:13.680 She's like, like Tim Burton said that about Batman returns. 1330 01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:15.439 You know what's funny. By the way, just you doing 1331 01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:17.960 that voice? I was like, is he doing Tim Burton? 1332 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:25.319 Maybe unconsciously? Yeah, I don't really consider it a sequel. 1333 01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:27.399 It's like, bro, it's a sequel. Come on, you know, 1334 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:34.279 like you know, it's like it comes next sequentially and 1335 01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:36.159 it has all you know what I mean. It's like 1336 01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:40.960 I don't really consider a Jurassic Park three a sequel. 1337 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:46.800 You know, at some point we're just talking ourselves into 1338 01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.600 a circle, you know, so we don't know anything as 1339 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:53.159 far as what to entail. But here's my only point. 1340 01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:57.039 I think I think a Superman sequel which puts us 1341 01:10:57.119 --> 01:10:59.920 in Lex Luthor's headspace. That doesn't kind of interesting to me. 1342 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.000 I'm into it. Yeah, for sure. 1343 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:05.520 There is a great mini series from from maybe like 1344 01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:10.680 twenty years ago called Lex Luthor Man of Steel, and 1345 01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:15.439 it's just it's it's entirely from Lex's point of view. 1346 01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:21.560 You know, he's he's again, everybody is a hero in 1347 01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:24.760 their own mind. Sure, yeah, right, and so it's just 1348 01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:27.239 his perspective. And here's this alien who shows up with 1349 01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:29.840 all these powers and he's Lex Luthor's a human being 1350 01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:36.199 and he's standing up for human achievement. Right, It's terrific story. 1351 01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:37.680 I maybe it'll be in that vein. 1352 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:40.600 I would be down for that. 1353 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:40.960 Yeah. 1354 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.079 And and certainly, you know, the characters as depicted in 1355 01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:47.239 that mini series very very similar to to the Nicholas 1356 01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:48.319 Holt incarnation. 1357 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:51.439 All right, well, I'm into it. And also, you know, 1358 01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:55.319 I was listening to the SmartLess podcast and James Gunn 1359 01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:59.439 was on it and he was just talking about he 1360 01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:00.920 wasn't making a point of it, but he was just 1361 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:03.359 talking about writing Superman and then writing season two of 1362 01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.520 Peacemaker and then now there's this new sequel thing coming out, 1363 01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:08.800 and it was like, man, like, if you ever want 1364 01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:13.039 to feel bad about your time management. Just I mean, 1365 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:18.640 this guy is a workhorse. It's yeah, it's incredible his output, 1366 01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:22.359 you know, that's that's very true. Yeah. And on top 1367 01:12:22.399 --> 01:12:26.319 of that, running DC you know what is it called DC? 1368 01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:30.800 You know, yeah, DC, you that sort of executive side 1369 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:33.119 of things, also directing this. So it's not like he 1370 01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:35.039 just is reading a bunch of scripts and he's reading 1371 01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:37.399 other people's scripts of course too, right for the other 1372 01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:40.760 DC films, But it's and he's in pre production on 1373 01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:42.920 his next movie, and I mean, just where does he 1374 01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:45.159 get all the hours in the day. It's pretty amazing. 1375 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:47.880 What's kind of nuts, by the way, with regards to 1376 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:52.039 this Superman sequel slash question mark, is that it will 1377 01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:55.800 come out before The Batman Part two. 1378 01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:59.199 I was just going to bring that up, which is 1379 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:03.079 schedule currently to be released the same year, October first, 1380 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:04.159 twenty twenty seven. 1381 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:07.680 Right, so it'll be a few months later. So The 1382 01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:12.680 Batman came out during the Mesozoic era. I'm gonna say, 1383 01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:13.319 I don't know when. 1384 01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:19.520 It's it's been a while, right, right, right, We're getting 1385 01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:22.199 a Clayface movie before we get the Batman too. 1386 01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:23.560 I forgot about that. 1387 01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:26.680 Wow, Yeah, which is I mean, what universe is that in? 1388 01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:30.680 Is that in the in quotes the Batman? 1389 01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:33.319 No, I didn't Is that in that? Yeah? 1390 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.159 Right to you? Yeah, you know, I gotta be honest. 1391 01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:39.159 I when I heard that we were getting a Batman 1392 01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:42.159 and Superman movie in twenty twenty seven, I got excited, like, Oh, 1393 01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:45.199 what's this new Batman going to be like? And then 1394 01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.199 I saw that it was this one, you know, the 1395 01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:49.319 Matt Reeves version. I was like, oh, right, right, I mean, 1396 01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:52.880 I'm I am interested in that, but it does feel 1397 01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:54.479 a little bit like, oh, I don't know, do we 1398 01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:58.079 want to kind of even things out here, get everything 1399 01:13:59.079 --> 01:13:59.800 on the same. 1400 01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:06.039 Page by the time the Batman Part two comes out. 1401 01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:09.520 So that's twenty twenty seven, so it's gonna be six 1402 01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:14.800 and a half years, So we're basically bumping up against 1403 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:18.119 the length of time between Batman and Robin and Batman begins. 1404 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:22.520 Was that the same distance between Terminator and Terminator two? 1405 01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:25.439 That was seven years? Yeah? Okay, so pretty close. 1406 01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:27.479 Yeah. 1407 01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:31.319 Look, I I'm I will watch it, but I do wonder, 1408 01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:34.239 just in a broader sense, like if they kind of 1409 01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:35.720 missed their window for the sequel. 1410 01:14:37.359 --> 01:14:42.680 Yeah, well, in just most especially as they have done 1411 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.600 a reset. That's right, right, So it's nice. I guess 1412 01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:48.920 if they're gonna let Reeves continue to do his thing. 1413 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:53.399 But I do wonder it'll be interesting to read the 1414 01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:55.560 book in a couple of years, you know what the 1415 01:14:55.560 --> 01:15:00.000 thinking is, because it doesn't seem like the most practic, 1416 01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:04.000 mad thing to do, right, you know, I don't. 1417 01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:07.520 Know, Yeah, I mean, well, I suspect that this is 1418 01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:10.960 a conversation we're gonna be revisiting at some point. So anyway, 1419 01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:14.600 twenty twenty seven, you got, you got Abinger, Secret Wars, 1420 01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:17.000 you got a Superman movie and a Batman movie. So 1421 01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:20.199 you know, I guess we're gonna test the hypothesis is 1422 01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:21.800 that superhero fatigue is a thing? 1423 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:28.079 Yeah, yeah, I'm very curious for the very curious. Yeah, 1424 01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:30.600 have you been hearing those rumors and things, which one 1425 01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:33.439 coming from the sets from Avengers where. 1426 01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:36.079 It's like, yeah, apparently there was like a that was 1427 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:39.319 like a heated argument, let's. 1428 01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:43.720 Say, yeah, between two big actors. 1429 01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:46.800 Yeah, we're getting And what we know is the two 1430 01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:51.960 actors were not Robert Downey Junior or Ryan Reynolds. Right, 1431 01:15:52.479 --> 01:15:53.520 That's the only thing we do know. 1432 01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:58.439 Like someone made a comment I think in jest, but 1433 01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:02.039 it was taken poorly, yes, by another actor, and it 1434 01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:06.199 led to having to blow up the schedule. So these 1435 01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:10.039 people don't aren't together any longer, which is just I mean, 1436 01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:13.039 you think of all the money they're already spending. You know, 1437 01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:14.600 it's incredible. 1438 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:20.279 You picture Kevin Feigy, like, do I need this right now? 1439 01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:21.520 After the year he's had? 1440 01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:24.680 You know, I know, I know is if this movie 1441 01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:27.720 also just isn't the undertaking of the twenty first century 1442 01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:28.239 to begin with? 1443 01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:31.960 You know? Yeah, Like I was actually thinking about that. 1444 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:34.039 I was like, there are gonna be so many people 1445 01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:37.159 in the industry rooting for that movie to fail. 1446 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:38.239 You know. 1447 01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:47.439 Yeah, so it's a lot yeah, so drama. And once 1448 01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:50.359 we know anything, we'll come right back here and report 1449 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:53.720 it like the like the caddy little gossip mongers that 1450 01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:54.079 we are. 1451 01:16:54.359 --> 01:16:57.239 I was gonna say, we'll dish that'll be an extra 1452 01:16:57.319 --> 01:16:59.000 little bonus. 1453 01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:04.439 Who do you think it was? Hey, here's some news, Brian, 1454 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:08.560 little sad news. I wanted to mention. Graham Green has 1455 01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:14.960 passed away. Yeah yeah, at age of seventy three, apparently 1456 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:19.119 of natural causes, natural causes. And we were just singing 1457 01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:23.600 his praises Earlier this year, he appeared in Diehard with 1458 01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:25.560 a Vengeance, and when we were watching that film in 1459 01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.520 our commentary check, we were both sort of like, what 1460 01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:31.960 a great character Graham Green plays. He is, of course 1461 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:34.760 known for other roles. For me, he got on my 1462 01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.760 radar having played kicking Bird in Dances with Wolves. Yep, 1463 01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:43.439 same tremendous. I was an amazing performance in that movie, 1464 01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:46.000 and he had been in a whole bunch of other 1465 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:49.079 stuff too. He was actually just speaking of Marvel. He 1466 01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:50.520 was just in the series Echo. 1467 01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:53.720 Oh okay, yeah. 1468 01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:56.800 In terms of Native American actors, one of the most visible. 1469 01:17:57.640 --> 01:18:00.439 I was gonna say, if anyone doesn't know him by name, 1470 01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:03.560 if you google him, you're gonna go, oh yeah, yeah, 1471 01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:04.520 that's exactly right. 1472 01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:08.960 So you know, he was somebody who you know, just 1473 01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:11.279 just seeing him it was like kind of reassuring, like, 1474 01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:16.880 oh good, you know. He was also in the final 1475 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.920 episode of eighteen eighty three, the mini series. He plays 1476 01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:25.720 the Native American character who sells the land that becomes 1477 01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:29.760 the Yellowstone Ranch to James Dutton, which is a nice, 1478 01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:33.000 little nice you know, if you've watched the entirety of Yellowstone, 1479 01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.720 you see the importance of that scene. You know, yep, 1480 01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:42.159 I saw that Kevin Costner paid tribute to him on Instagram, 1481 01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:45.960 Kevin Costner again having directed him in Dance with Wolves. 1482 01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:47.640 He says, a few things come to mind when I 1483 01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:50.000 think of Graham Green and our time together on Dances 1484 01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:52.640 with Wolves. I think of how willing he was to 1485 01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:55.680 learn the Lakota language. I think of my joy when 1486 01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:57.920 I heard that his work on the film was recognized 1487 01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:01.199 with an Academy Award nomination. And I think of this 1488 01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:04.760 scene in particular. And the scene in question is when 1489 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.159 Kicking Bird and John Dunbar played by Kevin Costner, are 1490 01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:12.760 first trying to interact with each other. When he was 1491 01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:16.000 able to establish so much about the relationship between Dunbar 1492 01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:18.640 and the natives with so few words, he was a 1493 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:21.560 master at work and a wonderful human being. I'm grateful 1494 01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:24.640 to have been witnessed to this part of his lasting legacy. 1495 01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:28.760 Rest in peace, Graham. That was nice, It really was nice. 1496 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:31.840 So just another you know, a terrific character actor. And 1497 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:33.720 we talk about character actors all the time. They are 1498 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:37.760 the glue that hold this whole joint together, and whenever 1499 01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:40.479 they leave us, you know, there's a little less glue. 1500 01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:45.319 Mm hm, you know. Yep, here's another story, Brian. I 1501 01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:48.359 thought this one, I should say, since I clocked this 1502 01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:51.079 as something we should discuss. Between then and the time 1503 01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:55.560 we started recording, I've gotten multiple text messages from people 1504 01:19:55.600 --> 01:20:00.600 who clearly know our show very well. Yes, happy about 1505 01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:07.880 well as it happens, this story is the Magnificent Amberson's finally, 1506 01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:12.079 So for those of you who don't know, The Magnificent 1507 01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:15.239 Amberson's is a film that it has kind of a 1508 01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:19.520 storied history. It was Orson Wells's follow up to Citizen Kane, 1509 01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:22.800 and it's generally considered one of the greatest movies ever made. 1510 01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:25.680 And that's saying something, right, that's saying something because it 1511 01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:34.279 exists in this this really severely truncated studio scizzard form. 1512 01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:36.720 Right. Well, I was just saying, I mean, to follow 1513 01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:39.479 up what many people believe to be one of the 1514 01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:42.279 greatest movies of all time, Citizen Kane, truche then to 1515 01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:44.640 make your second movie, and they're like, this is also 1516 01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:46.640 one of the greatest movies of all time. I mean, yeah, 1517 01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:48.800 run yeah. 1518 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:51.319 And so the film as and of course it's become 1519 01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:54.039 kind of a running joke on this show where I'll say, like, oh, 1520 01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:56.520 this movie it's good. I mean, it's not the magnificstent Amberson's, 1521 01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:59.279 but it's good. And so I appreciate that that is 1522 01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:03.159 sort of our share parlance with our listeners. So this 1523 01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:06.760 story is fascinating in that it ties together two of 1524 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:08.359 the things we end up talking about a lot on 1525 01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:11.760 this show. A the magnificent Amberson's and b the encroaching 1526 01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:16.000 use of AI in a form that is slightly troubling, 1527 01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:18.159 right right. 1528 01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:19.920 Right, Well, yeah, sir, I think I kind of cut 1529 01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:23.119 off the anecdote you're trying to make about Amberson's, which 1530 01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.439 is to say it is thought of as one of 1531 01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:30.039 the greatest movies of all time. But it's almost surprising 1532 01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:33.479 in a miracle that that's the case, because Orson Wells 1533 01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:35.640 had an original cut he felt good about, but then 1534 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:38.000 the studio took it out of his hands, chopped out 1535 01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:41.840 forty plus minutes of it, tacked on a happy ending 1536 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:45.840 he didn't like, and that release version happens to be 1537 01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:47.399 the version that everybody admires. 1538 01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:51.319 Yeah, and it did tank when it came out, right. 1539 01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:54.279 This is another Citizen Kane situation where it was only 1540 01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:58.840 appreciated after the fact. And so the quest for the 1541 01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:02.800 lost forty minutes of Citizen Kane is I feel like 1542 01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:05.920 there's Amberson's. Yeah, did I say Citizens KM? Sorry, of 1543 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:10.239 Amberson's is kind of a legendary at this point. I 1544 01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:12.600 feel like that could be a movie all on its own. 1545 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:16.239 Yeah, yeah, really could, because I mean people think there 1546 01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:20.840 could be, you know, portions of it in Brazil. You know, 1547 01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:23.920 it's sort of like a worldwide hunt to find this 1548 01:22:24.039 --> 01:22:28.079 lost footage. But many believe it was destroyed as like 1549 01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:31.039 a space saving measure, right, Like the studio just wanted 1550 01:22:31.039 --> 01:22:33.840 to free up some space and so they destroyed. 1551 01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:37.000 Yeah, and so there was a presumption that that Wells 1552 01:22:37.119 --> 01:22:39.840 had his own copy of the footage, but it's never 1553 01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:41.239 it's never been recovered. 1554 01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.199 Yeah, and film from that era is notoriously volatile. 1555 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:45.239 That that too. 1556 01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:46.039 Yeah. 1557 01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:50.680 So so here comes AI to solve question mark this 1558 01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:54.960 this mystery. Yeah, here's the story that that, like I said, 1559 01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:58.720 just broke today via Hollywood Reporter. And essentially, we have 1560 01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:01.960 a situation where there's a company called Showrunner, which is 1561 01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:05.760 an AI company. It's owned by Amazon, and the plan 1562 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:09.920 is for it to reconstruct the missing forty three minutes 1563 01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:14.439 of the magnificent Andersen's and just to delve into the 1564 01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:19.520 whys and wherefor is here It says here the endeavor 1565 01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:22.239 marks of the text further encroachment onto Hollywood as it 1566 01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:25.640 eyes the exploitation of AI tools embroiled in controversy, or 1567 01:23:25.640 --> 01:23:29.159 the possibility they were created using copyrighted materials from creators 1568 01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:33.960 they could eventually displace. So the effort won't be commercialized 1569 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:36.640 because Showrunner hasn't obtained the rights to the film from 1570 01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:40.279 Warner Brothers, Discovery or Conquered. If they see a marketplace 1571 01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:41.920 for it and a path for it outside of an 1572 01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:44.520 academic context, then of course they have ownership of it. 1573 01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:46.840 The goal isn't to commercialize, but to see them exist 1574 01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:50.119 in the world after eighty years of people asking might 1575 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:52.399 this have been the best film ever made? In its 1576 01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:59.039 original form? And so using whatever information they have so 1577 01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:03.239 specific we have a guy named Brian Rose who is 1578 01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:06.319 a filmmaker and he's spent the last five years recreating 1579 01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:10.039 thirty thousand missing frames from the movie. He's rebuilt the 1580 01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:14.479 physical sets using three D models, pinpointing camera movements to 1581 01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:17.640 match with the script, set photos and archive materials, and 1582 01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:20.840 by his thinking, he's reconstructed the framing and timing of 1583 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:24.520 each scene to serve as a foundation for the recreation. 1584 01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:32.279 So it's meant as an academic exercise. Yeah, using AI, 1585 01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:37.680 using Wells's notes to rebuild the film as it would 1586 01:24:37.760 --> 01:24:40.640 originally have existed. You know. 1587 01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:44.439 I mean that's an important factor there. I mean calling 1588 01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:50.199 it an academic exercise. It's interesting, you know what I mean? Like, 1589 01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:54.119 I think what would irk me is if someone were 1590 01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:57.560 to say, we did it. This is the definitive version 1591 01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.680 that Orson Welles wanted the world to see. Yeah, you 1592 01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:01.359 know what I'm saying. 1593 01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:07.600 Yeah, Well, at this moment, it sounds to me like 1594 01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:09.800 something in the vein of I'm sure you've seen those 1595 01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:14.319 YouTube videos where somebody takes the lightsaber duel from episode four, 1596 01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:18.439 yes and adds a bunch of cgi flimflam into it. 1597 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:22.159 Which I think is very interesting as an experiment. 1598 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:26.079 It looks freaking off me just say yeah, yeah. 1599 01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:28.800 I mean, I'm like, oh, that's okay. But I would 1600 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:32.680 never consider that canon or exactly. 1601 01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:34.399 I've had people send that to me be like this 1602 01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:37.800 is so awesome, and I defriended them instantly and blocked. 1603 01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:41.800 I just took a sip a while you know what, 1604 01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:44.960 just getting to that really quick. I really thought it 1605 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:48.239 was a cool idea. The problem was, and it sounds 1606 01:25:48.279 --> 01:25:51.079 like these people are going to get around that problem. 1607 01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:55.920 They didn't try to match the style of a New Hope, 1608 01:25:56.600 --> 01:25:58.399 you know, they suddenly turned it into like a Michael 1609 01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:03.039 Bay movie in the midst of yes, yes, with the 1610 01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:06.680 scenes that they recreated through whatever it was AI or whatever. 1611 01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:07.880 But it was a. 1612 01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:10.279 Cool idea they were basically trying to take. You know, 1613 01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:13.199 you you have the Phantom Menace, Duel of the Fates, 1614 01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.920 you have this crazy acrobatic Jedi fight, and then when 1615 01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:20.600 you go back to New Hope, the initial fight scene 1616 01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:23.720 between Darth Vader and Obi Wan Kenobi feels a little slower, right, 1617 01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:24.399 So this. 1618 01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:27.760 Person was like, tap tap tap is there? 1619 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:32.079 Yeah, yeah, right, exactly, Yeah, and you know Obi Wan 1620 01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:34.840 does like a strained sort of twirl like you know 1621 01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:36.960 kind but. 1622 01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:39.960 He's arthritic after so. 1623 01:26:41.479 --> 01:26:45.319 He's been living on a desert planet dehydrated. So but 1624 01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:48.399 this person was like, well, what if we could up 1625 01:26:48.520 --> 01:26:50.119 the fight, you know, make it look a little bit 1626 01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:54.439 more acrobatic like in the earlier films. Yea interesting experiment. 1627 01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:56.119 I thought it was kind of cool to watch. I 1628 01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:58.399 wish they had tried to match the tone and camera 1629 01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:00.199 work a little bit more closely, and I think it 1630 01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:02.159 would have been more successful if they had done that. 1631 01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:04.600 But yeah, it's an interesting experiment. 1632 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:04.960 I don't know. 1633 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:06.279 Wait, so what do you think about this? 1634 01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:09.399 Well? So I have two thoughts, right, Like, on the 1635 01:27:09.399 --> 01:27:14.079 one hand, you know the quote about Orson Wells when 1636 01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:19.239 he when he learned that that you know, they were 1637 01:27:19.239 --> 01:27:24.279 going to colorize Citizen Kane. This was TNT, I think, 1638 01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:27.000 and he says, tell tell Ted Turner to keep his 1639 01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:31.600 goddamn crayons off my movie. Like that quote, right, that 1640 01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:35.000 quote lives rent free in my head in it. So 1641 01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:38.199 there is that, so we know how he feels about 1642 01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:40.479 people mucking this film. On the other hand, his film 1643 01:27:40.520 --> 01:27:46.119 comes pre mucked. Sure, sure, sure, right, So so you wonder, like, 1644 01:27:46.199 --> 01:27:50.640 I mean, how would Wells feel about this, given the 1645 01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:55.199 fact that the the additional the extended material has been 1646 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:58.640 in fact lost to the ages, would he at least 1647 01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:04.399 welcome the opportunity for it to exist in some form? Yeah? 1648 01:28:04.399 --> 01:28:06.479 I don't know. I mean, see this is the thing too. 1649 01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:09.520 I mean you look at something like fan edits right, 1650 01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:13.119 where people take movies one of the most famous ones 1651 01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:17.720 is Teford Grace took the Star Wars prequels and made 1652 01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:21.399 his own cut, which, instead of being three full length movies, 1653 01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:24.119 I think whittled the whole three movies down to about 1654 01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:28.479 ninety minutes somehow. Wow. And I would never consider that 1655 01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:31.600 an actual movie. I just think it's an interesting experiment. 1656 01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:38.199 So to me, this lives in that same place. I 1657 01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:43.279 think I would take this case by case. In this 1658 01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:47.840 instance interesting, you know, I'm curious what they'll come up with, 1659 01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:50.439 But I wouldn't want them then to be like, yeah, 1660 01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:51.920 but what if in Raiders of the Lost Ark the 1661 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:55.039 Millennium Falcon showed up, you know, And so then they 1662 01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:57.640 start futzing with that and then putting that in theaters 1663 01:28:57.640 --> 01:29:01.000 and being like, witness, there's a lost article, like you've 1664 01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:04.399 never seen it before. Like that, I would not be okay. 1665 01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:07.600 Right well, And and another aspect of this is is 1666 01:29:08.960 --> 01:29:14.000 we can we can look at this devoid of context, 1667 01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:17.520 both before and after and view it as as as 1668 01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:23.520 purely benign. And I don't think AI can be viewed 1669 01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:29.119 that way, because every use is spinning the ball slightly 1670 01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:32.359 forward to whatever's coming next, and and it's reaching a 1671 01:29:32.439 --> 01:29:36.680 point where without signing alarmist. It's pretty damn scary. 1672 01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:40.319 I know, I see this is this is such a 1673 01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:43.600 weird thing. I was just listening to James Gunn talking 1674 01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:45.840 on the other podcast and he was they're asking him 1675 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:51.079 about AI. What he was saying was it's happening. Yeah, 1676 01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:54.399 So I agree with that, and so so then it's like, well, 1677 01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:55.520 what do you do with this? 1678 01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:58.359 And and I want to be very clear. Look, I'm 1679 01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:00.600 not naive about this, and I'm not a lot you know. 1680 01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:02.960 I think I think James Gunn is right as many 1681 01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:04.720 people look at it is here, I don't think we're 1682 01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:09.359 putting the genie back in the bottle. I think as 1683 01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:12.760 I look this story makes me curious. Look, as somebody 1684 01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:16.199 who has seen Amberson's many times, I want to see 1685 01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:21.159 what they come up with. There is that that that 1686 01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:23.560 parenthetical in this piece though, you know, hey, if Warner 1687 01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:26.159 Brothers sees the commercial value in it, then it's up 1688 01:30:26.199 --> 01:30:30.720 to them. I think that's where we're headed. 1689 01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:34.279 No matter what I know. And I'm realizing, even in 1690 01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:36.680 all the things that I'm saying, this is just too 1691 01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:39.079 big a conversation, you know what I mean, Like, there's 1692 01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:40.439 just so many facets to it. 1693 01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:43.560 I disagree. I think you and I can button this 1694 01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:45.640 thing down right now, in the next couple of minutes, 1695 01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:49.640 we can print it on a gold disc, send it 1696 01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:50.760 into space. I think. 1697 01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:55.119 Yeah, And then years later it'll be being back to 1698 01:30:55.199 --> 01:31:01.199 Jodie Foster and she'll be like Dad, great movie. By 1699 01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:06.760 the way, if you haven't seen Contact, Every Contact, it's 1700 01:31:06.760 --> 01:31:08.760 just so funny. I mean, I really see saw on this. 1701 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:11.840 It's like you can't talk about AI in general and 1702 01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:16.279 not acknowledge that in many ways, where we're heading is 1703 01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:21.239 going to objectively suck for many people because certain jobs 1704 01:31:21.239 --> 01:31:24.279 are going to cease to exist. It's going to significantly 1705 01:31:24.359 --> 01:31:30.319 augment or replace tasks specifically for our discussion, in entertainment, 1706 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:35.079 in animation and VFX and things like that, and I 1707 01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:39.079 more in that. I know it will probably make things quicker. 1708 01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:41.600 I know it'll probably make things cheaper, but heck, man, 1709 01:31:41.680 --> 01:31:44.359 I look at like the Simpsons and like those first 1710 01:31:44.359 --> 01:31:48.239 ten seasons and the Squash and Stretch. Yeah, that those 1711 01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:53.880 figures have those characters. It is soul. And when I 1712 01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:56.439 look at the newer Simpsons, which is edited still by 1713 01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:59.960 humans but on computers, but not every frame is drawn 1714 01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:03.119 by hand, it's more like puppeteering in sort of a way. 1715 01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:06.800 It's missing spark, it's missing a little bit of life, 1716 01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:10.199 it's missing that quirkiness that makes those first ten seasons 1717 01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:15.520 just you know, charming beyond belief. So I do more 1718 01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:22.680 many creative things, charging deeper in that direction, and I 1719 01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:25.960 can acknowledge that AI can also be a remarkable tool 1720 01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:29.800 when well did well. So I don't know, Like I said, 1721 01:32:29.800 --> 01:32:34.000 it's a huge discussion when it comes to this stuff. 1722 01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:38.640 Like I said, I don't want it to turn into 1723 01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:41.439 a Ted Turner sort of situation where it's just like, well, now, 1724 01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:44.920 you know, filmmakers won't have a say because they didn't 1725 01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:47.720 have this in their contracts, and we're just going to 1726 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:50.960 go in. I mean George Lucas went in willingly and yeah, 1727 01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:53.920 added a CG. Jaba and all that sort of stuff. 1728 01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:55.520 But I don't want this to be a thing. 1729 01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:57.479 Where that's kind of the thing we were talking about 1730 01:32:57.479 --> 01:32:59.920 the episode four. You know that that fan at it, 1731 01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:03.199 and let's be real, we were probably like like one 1732 01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:05.239 and a half steps away from him actually doing that 1733 01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:06.119 in episode four. 1734 01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:10.880 Oh sure, sure, I mean if this existed back then, 1735 01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:11.399 who knows? 1736 01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:14.199 Oh yeah, yeah, I think in that sense, the technology 1737 01:33:14.359 --> 01:33:17.720 worked in the audience's favor where he just wasn't there 1738 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:18.319 to do that. 1739 01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:20.680 And that's what I'm saying, like, hey, if he wants 1740 01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:23.000 to do that, I have every right to not like it, 1741 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:25.359 and he has every right to do it because it's 1742 01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:26.000 his baby. 1743 01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:29.600 But that again, I just wish he would have hit 1744 01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:30.119 save as. 1745 01:33:33.399 --> 01:33:35.399 But I'm just saying, like, with this the Orson Welles thing, 1746 01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:38.760 I do feel like he's probably beginning to spend in 1747 01:33:38.800 --> 01:33:42.319 his grave at this moment, you know, And that sucks. 1748 01:33:42.479 --> 01:33:45.000 That sucks. But again, if as long as this isn't 1749 01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:47.359 something Warner Brothers is gonna come out and say, like 1750 01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:53.159 the definitive version, I'm all right, well it's interesting. But 1751 01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:55.760 again I guess sorry I keep talking to talking about 1752 01:33:55.760 --> 01:34:00.760 like I do get a little nervous about what so 1753 01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:01.840 what else do they have in mind? 1754 01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:06.399 That's That's kind of where I'm at, Like, I'm very 1755 01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:11.039 curious about this, but I'm also very circumspect about what 1756 01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:15.000 comes next. And and you do wonder a little bit 1757 01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:20.520 like are are are we you know, people like you 1758 01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:24.319 and I, people who have this desire to preserve this 1759 01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:27.359 stuff as it existed? Are we the ones that are 1760 01:34:27.399 --> 01:34:31.319 going to be left behind, you know, by by time, 1761 01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:33.560 by society. You know. 1762 01:34:35.600 --> 01:34:40.920 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm trying. I don't 1763 01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:42.880 know if people could probably tell a boy my rambling, 1764 01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:45.640 I'm like processing in real time. I'm really truly trying 1765 01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:47.000 to see the pros and cons of it. 1766 01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:55.960 Well, whatever, this future looks like it's not the magnificent Amberson's. 1767 01:34:57.079 --> 01:34:59.279 And nothing ever will there you. 1768 01:34:59.239 --> 01:35:04.079 Go, Hey, we have a brand new release we wanted 1769 01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:06.960 to discuss. Yeah, let's talk about it on the other 1770 01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:07.520 side of. 1771 01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:16.000 This, and now we're pleased to bring you our feature present. 1772 01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:25.279 Hey, cot Stealing is in theaters right now, and I'm 1773 01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:27.560 you and I have not discussed this, but if I may, 1774 01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:31.600 an alternate title I might give this movie is pleasant Surprise. 1775 01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:36.720 Yeah, actually, you know, I mean, just to give even 1776 01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:39.399 more personal context, you know. You and I kind of 1777 01:35:39.439 --> 01:35:42.039 saw this last minute. Yep, it's a last minute decision. 1778 01:35:42.119 --> 01:35:44.600 And so I was like, all right, like I had 1779 01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:49.199 some interest in it. I knew i'd get to it someday, 1780 01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:52.760 but it became like, oh's we're doing this tonight. And 1781 01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:56.279 then when I walked out, I was like, I'm glad 1782 01:35:56.279 --> 01:35:57.760 I caught that. 1783 01:35:57.760 --> 01:36:01.479 That's good. Yeah, yeah, this was. It was one of 1784 01:36:01.479 --> 01:36:05.600 those things where, yeah, we were planning to discuss something 1785 01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:08.119 else and I had not seen that other thing either, 1786 01:36:08.199 --> 01:36:10.279 And I told Brian, I was like, I'd be honest, 1787 01:36:10.359 --> 01:36:13.319 I'm I'm in the mood for something a little more larky, 1788 01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:17.680 you know. And so indeed, on a lark, I decided 1789 01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:20.279 to catch this I'm gonna and I snuck away and 1790 01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:24.119 and the best thing I can say about this is 1791 01:36:24.399 --> 01:36:26.119 it kind of it worked for me on a similar 1792 01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:30.439 levels as one of you and I watched Novacane together. Sure, sure, 1793 01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:34.840 where it's it's not you know, it's it's something that 1794 01:36:34.920 --> 01:36:38.479 you're just like, you're like, hey, let's go see something. Oh, 1795 01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:41.439 this is here, you know. Totally totally, and I mean 1796 01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:42.399 they're very different movies. 1797 01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:44.279 I was gonna say, I would say that there's more 1798 01:36:44.319 --> 01:36:45.439 to this movie than. 1799 01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:49.520 To for sure, but in the sense of it felt 1800 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:53.199 to me like a throwback to the time when going 1801 01:36:53.239 --> 01:36:56.720 to the movies doesn't have to be an event. It's 1802 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.680 just you go to see what's out. 1803 01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:02.359 Totally, I mean, this movie is a throwback in so 1804 01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:03.359 many ways. 1805 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:06.640 Yeah. Well, and if I may, you know, the movie itself, 1806 01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:09.520 it is set in nineteen ninety eight, and that felt 1807 01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:11.960 so appropriate to me because it reminded me of the 1808 01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:13.479 type of movies I would have gone to watch in 1809 01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:14.359 nineteen ninety eight. 1810 01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:18.039 Yeah, this is like a long lost nineteen late nineties 1811 01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:19.600 like violent romp. 1812 01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:23.800 Yes, yeah, you know, And so a couple of thoughts 1813 01:37:23.800 --> 01:37:25.399 I had, and we'll get into the story. But I 1814 01:37:25.439 --> 01:37:27.800 was like, you know, I don't know how it's doing 1815 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:29.680 in theaters. Actually I haven't even looked at the box office. 1816 01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:31.840 But I'm glad it's not a streaming movie. 1817 01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:35.880 Oh right, it really. 1818 01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:39.720 Does benefit from from having a theatrical platform. The other 1819 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:44.760 thing is this stars Austin Butler, and he's sure making 1820 01:37:44.800 --> 01:37:50.039 a go of having a Leonardo DiCaprio post Leonardo DiCaprio career. 1821 01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:52.880 Hmm, what do you mean by that, Like in terms 1822 01:37:52.920 --> 01:37:53.159 of the. 1823 01:37:53.159 --> 01:37:56.479 Choices he's making, Right, he could have leaned hard into 1824 01:37:56.520 --> 01:37:57.600 franchise pictures. 1825 01:37:58.000 --> 01:37:59.800 Yeah, sure, sure, Sharon, and. 1826 01:37:59.720 --> 01:38:03.119 I do appreciate that he's trying to do more interesting stuff. 1827 01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:05.640 I think this guy's got the goods. Honestly, I think 1828 01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:09.319 I'm really looking forward to seeing him progress as an 1829 01:38:09.319 --> 01:38:11.600 actor because I think, just just based on the things 1830 01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:14.960 I've seen him. I'm already he he I mean between 1831 01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:17.119 this and Bike Riders. Honestly, I'm like, God, this guy. 1832 01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:24.159 He's got presence, he's very talented, and just seeing him 1833 01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:26.760 silently contemplate is interesting. 1834 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:29.399 See. I couldn't disagree more. 1835 01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:30.920 Really, No, I'm just kidding. 1836 01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:33.600 No. 1837 01:38:33.680 --> 01:38:35.439 I think as soon as he said that, I whole 1838 01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:37.159 bunch of people listening leaned forward. 1839 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:41.359 I thought you're gonna know I was joking right away. No, 1840 01:38:41.560 --> 01:38:44.720 I completely agree, and I think I've always liked him. 1841 01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:47.640 I haven't seen him in anything I haven't liked, but this, 1842 01:38:47.920 --> 01:38:50.560 I do feel like, is the movie that's put me 1843 01:38:50.600 --> 01:38:54.760 over the top with him, because he's everything he's done previously, 1844 01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:58.000 this has been kind of big, well not necessarily by craders, 1845 01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:01.800 but like you know, Dune Part two, Elvis, Like those 1846 01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:06.159 are big performances, and he's playing these different sorts of characters. 1847 01:39:06.199 --> 01:39:08.760 But here he's playing in every Man, and to your point, 1848 01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:12.199 he's very interesting to watch, you know, and he goes 1849 01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:15.039 what I didn't expect, and what I alluded to earlier 1850 01:39:15.239 --> 01:39:18.399 is this isn't just like a guy finds a thing 1851 01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:20.960 and then there's guns and then it's over. Like he 1852 01:39:21.079 --> 01:39:24.640 has an arc in this right, and there's like a 1853 01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:28.920 really interesting backstory to him. He's an interesting guy, and 1854 01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:32.680 I think a lot of that succeeds because of Austin Butler. 1855 01:39:33.439 --> 01:39:37.600 Right, Yeah, yeah. You know Roger Ebert used to refer 1856 01:39:37.640 --> 01:39:41.279 to bruised forearm movies. Yeah, and they're the ones where 1857 01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:43.479 you're watching it and it's so intense that the person 1858 01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:46.319 sitting next to you is digging into your forearm. You know. 1859 01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:51.520 This was a prototypical bruised forearm movie. Yeah, in that 1860 01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:54.520 I don't know whose forearm was more bruised mine or ominous, 1861 01:39:55.760 --> 01:40:00.359 because there's points where literally I'm like, yeah, I had 1862 01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:02.840 a couple of those too. Yeah, And I'm like, if 1863 01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:04.760 a movie's making it do that, it's doing something right, 1864 01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:05.039 you know. 1865 01:40:05.359 --> 01:40:07.600 Yeah, I had my theater was I would say, like 1866 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:10.880 a third full issh okay if that. But I'm the 1867 01:40:10.920 --> 01:40:14.000 type of guy like I get really into it. I cry, 1868 01:40:14.119 --> 01:40:16.279 I laugh, I make no, I go who And like 1869 01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:18.319 I was sitting by myself at the end of this 1870 01:40:18.439 --> 01:40:20.800 row and there's people in my row and occasionally I 1871 01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:25.720 go whoa, you know, we're like ow or something like that. 1872 01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:29.000 But I mean people would laugh occasionally. But I think 1873 01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:31.199 I was the only one that was making like noises. 1874 01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:35.600 Well every time Austin Butler was on screen, where you're like. 1875 01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:40.039 Damn, yeah, that guy's done some pushups. 1876 01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:42.880 For those of you who are like, what is that 1877 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:45.079 a reference to? You know, back when I watched Fantastic 1878 01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:49.119 for the two thousand and five movie, there was somebody 1879 01:40:49.159 --> 01:40:52.399 in our screening who was very enamored of Jessica Alba, 1880 01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:55.159 and he made sure to let the entire screening room 1881 01:40:55.239 --> 01:40:57.880 know every single time she was on screen. 1882 01:40:58.279 --> 01:40:58.960 That's so funny. 1883 01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:05.399 I love that that guy lives on he is immortal. Yeah. So, honestly, 1884 01:41:06.079 --> 01:41:08.800 here's how little I knew about this movie going in. 1885 01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:13.039 It wasn't until the credits rolled that I was like, oh, 1886 01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:14.720 Darren Aronofski directed this. 1887 01:41:15.239 --> 01:41:18.840 Oh interesting. No, I'd seen this trailer many times. 1888 01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:20.960 I have seen it zero times. 1889 01:41:21.279 --> 01:41:22.359 Oh wow. 1890 01:41:22.640 --> 01:41:27.560 Okay, So I truly I went in knowing nothing, absolutely 1891 01:41:27.640 --> 01:41:29.399 nothing other than Austin Butler is in. 1892 01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:32.800 Oh wow. I mean I don't even know the tone, 1893 01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:35.960 like the it's kind of a guy ritchie sort of feel. 1894 01:41:36.239 --> 01:41:41.359 All I knew is that involved stealing and presumably being caught. 1895 01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:44.199 Oh wow, what a fun way to well tell me 1896 01:41:44.239 --> 01:41:45.079 about that a little bit. 1897 01:41:45.159 --> 01:41:48.399 I mean, the best way to watch I would say 1898 01:41:48.439 --> 01:41:51.600 any movie, but certainly a movie like this, because I 1899 01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:53.840 have no idea what to expect. 1900 01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:56.159 You know, I agree, And just to tell a really 1901 01:41:56.159 --> 01:41:58.039 really quick anecdote, I remember because I go to test 1902 01:41:58.039 --> 01:41:59.880 screenings a lot, or at least I used to, and 1903 01:42:00.279 --> 01:42:02.439 when you do that, you're seeing a movie that hasn't 1904 01:42:02.439 --> 01:42:05.439 been released yet and most likely doesn't have a trailer 1905 01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:08.199 out yet. And my friend and I saw this movie 1906 01:42:08.920 --> 01:42:12.960 Jason Wrightman Diabolo Cody thing called Young Adult, which and 1907 01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:15.520 we saw it and we're like, what a great movie. 1908 01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:18.079 It's a dramedy. It's you know, it's got a lot, 1909 01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:20.199 it's funny in some parts, but it's very sad in 1910 01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:22.079 other parts. And we were like, what a great film. 1911 01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:24.560 And then it came out and it was sold as 1912 01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:26.960 a comedy through the trailers, and I kept hearing people 1913 01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:30.079 disappointed because it wasn't what they thought it was going 1914 01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:33.399 to be, and I thought, wow, isn't that funny? You know? 1915 01:42:34.079 --> 01:42:35.960 It just made me think it would be amazing if 1916 01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:39.399 we could all go into things knowing the least amount 1917 01:42:39.640 --> 01:42:41.720 of information is possible and just take it on its 1918 01:42:41.720 --> 01:42:44.239 own terms and I wonder how much a different experience 1919 01:42:44.239 --> 01:42:45.840 we would have if we weren't, Like, Oh, that wasn't 1920 01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:49.399 what I was expecting based on the trailer, you know, yeah, 1921 01:42:49.479 --> 01:42:51.319 I would say the trailer sold this pretty well though. 1922 01:42:51.880 --> 01:42:55.560 Yeah, no, I I I went back afterwards and I 1923 01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:57.079 watched the trailer, right. 1924 01:42:57.159 --> 01:42:59.239 I mean, yeah, it kind of captures the spirit, I think. 1925 01:42:59.239 --> 01:43:05.359 Yeah, I think so. I think for me, this is 1926 01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:08.359 a movie. I think it really did benefit from the 1927 01:43:08.359 --> 01:43:12.680 theatrical experience. I suspect it'll do better once it hits streaming, probably, 1928 01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:15.279 and I don't even know how it's performing. Actually not great? 1929 01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:17.239 Oh is that right now? Yeah? 1930 01:43:17.279 --> 01:43:19.319 I mean I think you know, Jaws beat it. 1931 01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:22.960 Oh okay, yeah, well Jaws. 1932 01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:26.359 Actually we didn't mention it, but Jaws did shockingly well. 1933 01:43:27.319 --> 01:43:29.760 And its re release it came in second place, I think, 1934 01:43:30.479 --> 01:43:34.720 which is amazing, right for a re release it's fifty 1935 01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:38.640 years old. Yeah, but well, real quick, just so people 1936 01:43:38.640 --> 01:43:40.359 know what we're talking about if they haven't seen it. 1937 01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:44.640 This off IMDb. The summary is burned out ex baseball 1938 01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:48.640 player Hank Thompson unexpectedly finds himself embroiled in a dangerous 1939 01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:52.279 struggle for survival amidst the criminal underbelly of nineteen nineties 1940 01:43:52.319 --> 01:43:55.560 New York City, forced to navigate a treacherous underworld he 1941 01:43:55.600 --> 01:43:59.119 never imagined. And I would say, for me, this felt 1942 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:02.640 like me of early Guy Ritchie. Yeah, oh, very much, 1943 01:44:03.199 --> 01:44:05.960 like mixed with the Coen Brothers, like a little less 1944 01:44:06.039 --> 01:44:08.640 quirky than Guy Richie a little bit and a little 1945 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:10.079 more grubby than the Coen Brothers. 1946 01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:13.479 That is a perfect description. 1947 01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:16.399 Right, thank you. It's it's got quirky characters, but they're 1948 01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:19.279 not as cartoonish as some of the early Richie stuff. 1949 01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:21.840 There's like convoluted run ins, people out of their depths, 1950 01:44:21.880 --> 01:44:22.760 random violence. 1951 01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:26.960 I think the key thing is that there are quirky characters, 1952 01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:30.439 but not so quirky that you're ever, you're ever not 1953 01:44:30.720 --> 01:44:32.840 aware of how serious the stakes are. 1954 01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:36.800 Totally because I think post pulp fiction, there were all 1955 01:44:36.840 --> 01:44:40.239 these movies like eight Heads in a Duffel Bag, something 1956 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:41.960 about in the Valley. I don't even remember anymore, but 1957 01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:43.960 it was like everyone was like, how can we outquirk 1958 01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:47.359 one another with these hitman types, you know, And they 1959 01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:51.000 were almost like violent cartoon characters. And I thought this 1960 01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:56.000 did a great job of making very memorable antagonists, but 1961 01:44:56.079 --> 01:44:59.000 they didn't cross that line into being sort of like, oh, 1962 01:44:59.039 --> 01:45:00.760 this is like some sort of two and Tino riff. 1963 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:07.960 Right. Yeah, yeah, I think honestly, what helps enormously is 1964 01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:10.760 that it's the story felt to me like it was built, 1965 01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:14.199 you know, from the character out. So yeah, yeah, you 1966 01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:17.840 have a very interesting sort of cat and mouse scenario. 1967 01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:20.359 But I mean, ultimately kind of this is what we're 1968 01:45:20.399 --> 01:45:25.039 alluding to before. Hank Thompson played by Austin Butler, to me, 1969 01:45:25.159 --> 01:45:30.039 I found the character interesting and the way the movie 1970 01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:35.279 alludes to aspects of his past was such where I 1971 01:45:35.359 --> 01:45:37.520 was like, I want to know. I'm like, give me more, 1972 01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:40.760 tell me more, right, And that's the trick and and 1973 01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:47.560 once once the the you know, speaking on spoilery, he 1974 01:45:47.560 --> 01:45:51.600 he he is somebody who he's he's he had aspirations 1975 01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:55.439 of playing pro ball and something happened that that prevented that. 1976 01:45:56.800 --> 01:46:00.760 And I think the way that information is is parceled 1977 01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:03.800 out is incredibly effective. 1978 01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:05.119 Yeah. 1979 01:46:05.239 --> 01:46:07.800 Terms, so they at any given moment, they give you 1980 01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:12.279 just enough to make the next moment meaningful totally, and 1981 01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:13.600 then the next time they give you a little bit 1982 01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:15.960 more just to make the next moment meaningful. 1983 01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:18.520 You know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good point. Yeah, because 1984 01:46:18.520 --> 01:46:21.560 it really does tie into the plot and his like 1985 01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:23.880 as we said earlier, you know, like his growth is healing, 1986 01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:27.439 it's not just a detail, and why he's wearing you know, 1987 01:46:27.439 --> 01:46:30.039 a giant's hat, right, Yeah, it's a big part of 1988 01:46:30.039 --> 01:46:33.239 the story, which is Yeah, and I just felt like, yeah, 1989 01:46:33.279 --> 01:46:36.960 it's felt refreshing something as textured as this for being 1990 01:46:37.079 --> 01:46:41.119 such a fun, violent romp, right, yeah. 1991 01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:44.720 Very much a throwback to that era, right, Yeah, where 1992 01:46:44.760 --> 01:46:50.319 we'd see stuff like that. I think what helps is 1993 01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:54.359 in addition to to Butler, who I think very capably 1994 01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:58.319 commands the center, but you've got a constellation of great 1995 01:46:58.359 --> 01:47:06.439 supporting players, you know, Zoy krab It, you know, Regina King, Vincentinafrio, 1996 01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:10.159 Lev Schreiber, I mean you name it, like, they really 1997 01:47:10.199 --> 01:47:15.920 sink into these terrific character parts and and it it 1998 01:47:16.039 --> 01:47:20.960 enriches the journey. Yep. You know Matt Smith, Matt Smith, Yeah, 1999 01:47:21.039 --> 01:47:23.359 doing doing something. We were just talking about Matt Smith 2000 01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:25.520 a couple of weeks ago. Yep, that's right in our 2001 01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:28.680 in our Terminator Genesis commentary. And I think you said 2002 01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:30.359 something to the effect of, like, you know, you always 2003 01:47:30.399 --> 01:47:34.800 hear people have such affinity for Matt Smith, and yet 2004 01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:38.399 it feels like he's never really like the movies haven't 2005 01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:39.560 really done him any favors. 2006 01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:43.159 Right, Well, yeah, it's specifically. I find a lot of 2007 01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:46.920 times with those sorts of actors, there's a role where 2008 01:47:46.960 --> 01:47:50.000 they really shine, and then people get endeared to that 2009 01:47:50.039 --> 01:47:53.119 person and no matter what they show up in, they 2010 01:47:53.159 --> 01:47:55.359 are still carrying whatever it is that they had from 2011 01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:58.439 that previous experience with that person and loving them moving forward. 2012 01:47:58.760 --> 01:48:01.359 And with Matt Smith, I never watched Doctor Who, and 2013 01:48:01.399 --> 01:48:03.079 I had never really seen him in one of the 2014 01:48:03.159 --> 01:48:07.720 roles that really connected where everything aligned with him and 2015 01:48:07.760 --> 01:48:09.880 he was perfectly cast for or whatever. So like when 2016 01:48:09.880 --> 01:48:12.079 I've seen him in like the Terminator film and people 2017 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:14.960 are like, oh, Matt Smith, Like I didn't. I wasn't 2018 01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:17.479 bringing anything. So I've only seen him in or like 2019 01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:20.600 last Night in soho He's pretty memorable, but not again, 2020 01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:23.520 I wasn't bringing that extra something that everyone else is 2021 01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:26.439 bringing when they see him, right, And but I do 2022 01:48:26.520 --> 01:48:28.000 have to say I thought he was really good in 2023 01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:31.239 this and meant fun. He starts as kind of a 2024 01:48:31.239 --> 01:48:35.680 big character, but he gets to play that person at 2025 01:48:35.720 --> 01:48:38.319 several different speeds. Yeah, and I found that kind of 2026 01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:40.520 compelling and even like there's one moment where I was like, 2027 01:48:41.039 --> 01:48:43.960 oh no, you know, which I was unexpected, you know. 2028 01:48:44.039 --> 01:48:48.119 It's yeah, so it's like you said, yeah, it's a 2029 01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:51.239 constellation of talent here there there is. 2030 01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:54.399 And this is not a spoiler. They're they're alluding what 2031 01:48:54.439 --> 01:48:56.479 I was alluding to before, you know, the Bruce Forum. 2032 01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:03.279 There is a bit where Austin Butler's character is descending 2033 01:49:03.319 --> 01:49:08.880 a fireplace or fire escape Yeah sorry, did I say fireplace? Yeah, 2034 01:49:08.880 --> 01:49:11.840 fire escape yep, from the outside of his window, and 2035 01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:14.720 he's like peeking into a window and doing this whole thing, 2036 01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:17.159 and then he's trying to get into and literally I'm. 2037 01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:22.039 Like, dude, yes, same. I think that was one of 2038 01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:22.840 those oh no, no, no. 2039 01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:27.720 No no. And then and then there is a terrific 2040 01:49:28.680 --> 01:49:34.119 chase sequence, a foot chase where where Austin Butler is 2041 01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:40.520 being pursued by these two hasidic mobsters, you know, yeah, 2042 01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:43.880 and it's a terrific sequence and it's so high tension, 2043 01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:49.279 and again I'm like, this is like old school, you know, 2044 01:49:49.479 --> 01:49:52.479 French connection style filmmaking. 2045 01:49:52.199 --> 01:49:56.000 You know what I loved. Yes, and it did still 2046 01:49:56.279 --> 01:50:01.279 bring in like some modern twenty twenty five. Yes, like 2047 01:50:02.399 --> 01:50:05.760 you know what's capable now, but it didn't. It all 2048 01:50:06.119 --> 01:50:07.800 felt perfectly blended together. 2049 01:50:08.159 --> 01:50:11.079 That's the thing, right, right, Like I saw an interview sorry, 2050 01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:13.600 just yeah, yeah, I saw an interview with Aaronovsky. You 2051 01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:17.920 talked about incorporating drone footage and things like they actually 2052 01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:21.359 had to do digital touch ups to make the New 2053 01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:24.319 York streets reflect what they looked like, you know, back 2054 01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:28.119 in back in the late nineteen hundreds. 2055 01:50:28.479 --> 01:50:30.720 Yeah, that's where you can put it that way, but yes. 2056 01:50:34.399 --> 01:50:39.159 Yes, right and so, but it's it's not intrusive, no, 2057 01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:41.479 and it does the trick. You know. 2058 01:50:42.159 --> 01:50:45.000 It literally does feel like a lost nineties movie and 2059 01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:47.479 the best way possible down to There was a moment 2060 01:50:47.880 --> 01:50:51.119 where well, it's very grainy, and I did wonder if 2061 01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:53.039 that was something they did digitally or if they actually 2062 01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:54.920 shot in film. I have no idea, but it looked 2063 01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:58.760 I loved it. And there was like a scene where 2064 01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:02.479 it almost felt like a real change and he's walking 2065 01:51:02.520 --> 01:51:04.960 down the street and the color was bad, like it 2066 01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:08.079 looked too red, and I was like, did they do 2067 01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:11.479 that on purpose? Like they're they're making it look like 2068 01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:14.840 an older movie in the bed but not in an aggressive, 2069 01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:19.960 you know, distracting way. It just kind of felt like 2070 01:51:20.000 --> 01:51:22.800 a lost thirty year old film, and I thought it 2071 01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:26.520 was brilliant. I was just like so delighted at the 2072 01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:28.600 choices with the color timing, and some of it looked 2073 01:51:28.640 --> 01:51:33.800 extra faded, but at the same time, so that's funny 2074 01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:36.600 doing that mimicry. But then there's a moment where you know, 2075 01:51:36.600 --> 01:51:39.359 there's an exchange happening at the World's Fair area out 2076 01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:43.720 in New York, and this drone goes through that globe, 2077 01:51:43.960 --> 01:51:47.520 right they noticed that, Yeah, which could look a little 2078 01:51:47.720 --> 01:51:50.520 distracting or showy or something, but it didn't at all. 2079 01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:54.239 I just was like, whoa awesome. Yeah, it was just 2080 01:51:54.399 --> 01:51:56.600 it was perfect. The old style and the new style 2081 01:51:56.640 --> 01:52:00.520 blended together wonderfully. I mean, Darren Aronowski. 2082 01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:06.039 Yeah, yeah, you know, at least for me, it was 2083 01:52:06.199 --> 01:52:10.560 just just a very pleasant, pleasant surprise. And you telling 2084 01:52:10.640 --> 01:52:14.640 me it's not performing is a not terribly surprising, but 2085 01:52:14.720 --> 01:52:16.479 it is kind of disappointing. 2086 01:52:16.319 --> 01:52:18.399 I know, because you put it so well, this is 2087 01:52:18.439 --> 01:52:20.479 that movie and I know, viewing habits of change, but 2088 01:52:20.560 --> 01:52:22.720 this is that type of movie where you think, all right, 2089 01:52:22.720 --> 01:52:24.960 it's Friday night, what are we going to go see. Yeah, 2090 01:52:25.079 --> 01:52:27.159 and so you give a movie like this a shot 2091 01:52:27.439 --> 01:52:31.479 exactly right, And I mean I put it out there. 2092 01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:33.439 It is pretty violent. So if you don't have like 2093 01:52:33.680 --> 01:52:36.199 the tolerance for that kind of thing, yeah, that's good 2094 01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:39.479 to know. But it's yeah, I don't know, this is 2095 01:52:39.479 --> 01:52:43.119 that movie you wish people would go discover and then 2096 01:52:43.319 --> 01:52:44.279 tell people about it. 2097 01:52:44.840 --> 01:52:48.439 Really, I mean it reminded me of in the late nineties, 2098 01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:52.159 you know, when I used to work at cod and 2099 01:52:52.199 --> 01:52:54.279 you know, our group of friends every Friday we would 2100 01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:59.640 just go to the Canterra yeah and see what there 2101 01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:01.920 was mm hmm, and that's what we'd end up. You know, 2102 01:53:02.199 --> 01:53:04.039 I've said I've told the story before. We ended up 2103 01:53:04.039 --> 01:53:05.800 watching The Sixth Sense. We had no idea, but that 2104 01:53:05.840 --> 01:53:09.119 was the only thing there was tickets for available form 2105 01:53:09.279 --> 01:53:13.000 h you know this it's like that, and so yeah, 2106 01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:15.199 I mean it's a throwback to just an era of 2107 01:53:15.279 --> 01:53:17.159 film going that is maybe just gone now. 2108 01:53:17.680 --> 01:53:21.159 Yeah. But or this will be that thing that you know, 2109 01:53:21.239 --> 01:53:23.880 you're scrolling through Netflix and the tile comes up in 2110 01:53:24.720 --> 01:53:27.680 fifteen seconds of this movie place, and that's how someone 2111 01:53:27.680 --> 01:53:28.680 will eventually. 2112 01:53:28.720 --> 01:53:31.359 But I do think if nothing else, I mean, I 2113 01:53:31.880 --> 01:53:37.800 think that this is a good calling card insofar as 2114 01:53:37.840 --> 01:53:42.159 what Austin Butler is is capable of totally, so he's 2115 01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:43.640 going to come out looking pretty good on the other 2116 01:53:43.760 --> 01:53:44.880 end of this. And that's why I was making the 2117 01:53:44.920 --> 01:53:48.680 DiCaprio comparison, because it really feels to me like he's 2118 01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:53.920 plotting a career in US along a similar trajectory sure 2119 01:53:54.399 --> 01:53:59.159 where he's he's choosing filmmakers as opposed to franchises, right, 2120 01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:01.840 and I think that's gonna I mean, I mean, look 2121 01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:04.159 at you know he worked with Why did he do 2122 01:54:04.279 --> 01:54:07.239 Dune because of Villanous? Why did he do Bike Riders 2123 01:54:07.239 --> 01:54:10.319 because of Jeff Nichols, you know, working here with Darren Aronofsky, 2124 01:54:10.359 --> 01:54:12.600 I mean it's a smart choice of bass lurement, you know. 2125 01:54:12.960 --> 01:54:16.640 Totally yeah, totally yeah. Well, real quick, I think it's 2126 01:54:16.680 --> 01:54:18.560 worth talking about a couple of spoilers real fast. But 2127 01:54:18.600 --> 01:54:20.680 I just I just want to call out while we're 2128 01:54:20.680 --> 01:54:26.640 talking about Darren Aronofsky. I mean, what an interesting filmography. 2129 01:54:27.119 --> 01:54:29.520 I mean, going back all the way to pie Requiem 2130 01:54:29.560 --> 01:54:31.319 for a Dream. But then you also I kind of 2131 01:54:31.359 --> 01:54:34.560 found it the Fountain, but even like the Wrestler. 2132 01:54:35.159 --> 01:54:37.319 I forgot about the rest. But you're black. 2133 01:54:37.119 --> 01:54:41.520 Swan, you know, like he's just an eclectic well and 2134 01:54:41.640 --> 01:54:43.880 mother recently, which I didn't even watch because I thought 2135 01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:45.880 it was gonna be too intense. I just couldn't find 2136 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:48.520 the mood for that one. But like it's just I 2137 01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:51.359 don't know, it's just very varied. And I think that's 2138 01:54:51.439 --> 01:54:57.199 very cool that he's Noah, you know, yeah Noah. Right, 2139 01:54:57.760 --> 01:54:59.359 It's cool that he's been able to do these things. 2140 01:54:59.439 --> 01:55:01.760 And then this this doesn't feel like any of the 2141 01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:05.439 ones I've mentioned before, right, but it's certainly made with 2142 01:55:05.479 --> 01:55:08.239 a very capable, skilled hand. I mean that's evident when 2143 01:55:08.239 --> 01:55:09.920 you watch it so well. 2144 01:55:09.920 --> 01:55:12.520 And the other thing is, this is just the budget 2145 01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:14.520 for this one is forty million. 2146 01:55:16.039 --> 01:55:18.279 I'm chefs kissing over here, right. 2147 01:55:18.119 --> 01:55:19.920 Like that's I I was like, well, that's about what 2148 01:55:19.960 --> 01:55:21.840 you want to spend on this, because even if you 2149 01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:24.199 don't end up making it back, like, you'll probably be 2150 01:55:24.239 --> 01:55:27.359 okay in the long run, right, And you know you're 2151 01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:29.439 not blowing through so much of the studios money that 2152 01:55:29.479 --> 01:55:32.199 they got their mits and everything. You can make the 2153 01:55:32.239 --> 01:55:37.359 movie reflect your sensibility and your intentions. And I think 2154 01:55:37.439 --> 01:55:41.720 that means more ultimately, hm, because I do think I 2155 01:55:42.199 --> 01:55:45.479 suspect this one will have something of an afterlife, I. 2156 01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:48.079 Think, so, you know, yeah, And also I want to 2157 01:55:48.119 --> 01:55:51.159 be sort of sort of excuse me, really got something 2158 01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:53.119 in my throat today. I want to be clear too 2159 01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:54.920 that not that we think this is some sort of 2160 01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:59.239 elevated no masterpiece either, Like this is just like a 2161 01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:02.720 cool throwback a flick. This is a flick. It's a flick, 2162 01:56:03.159 --> 01:56:07.399 you know, And that's exactly it, right, And quoting someone 2163 01:56:07.439 --> 01:56:10.520 else who was quoting something they saw on Twitter, it's 2164 01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:13.560 a five star, three star movie, and I was like, 2165 01:56:13.960 --> 01:56:19.039 I love that totally, and like that's something you want 2166 01:56:19.039 --> 01:56:20.880 to watch sometimes on a Friday night. And this is 2167 01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:22.439 a well done version of that. And like we said, 2168 01:56:22.479 --> 01:56:25.279 it really does dig into character. And I found that 2169 01:56:25.560 --> 01:56:27.479 it didn't even have to do that. I can imagine 2170 01:56:27.520 --> 01:56:29.760 the version where it doesn't, but that by this movie 2171 01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:31.279 rises up I. 2172 01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:33.159 I okay, so yeah, you just said the thing I 2173 01:56:33.199 --> 01:56:35.880 was gonna say, like it would have worked just fine 2174 01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:37.760 at the level it was at, but I think that 2175 01:56:37.800 --> 01:56:41.399 the specific arc that it gives Butler's character to me, 2176 01:56:41.880 --> 01:56:46.079 made it something where when it ended, I'm like that 2177 01:56:46.239 --> 01:56:50.199 was good, you know, because that's the stuff that that's 2178 01:56:50.239 --> 01:56:53.800 that sticks with you, you know, totally. So yeah, you want, 2179 01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:55.159 you wanted to talk about some spoilers. 2180 01:56:55.239 --> 01:56:56.399 It's just a couple real quick. 2181 01:57:00.640 --> 01:57:01.239 Spoiler. 2182 01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:08.840 So we are in spoilers here, so if you're going 2183 01:57:08.880 --> 01:57:13.319 to see this pause. I was shocked when Zoe Kravitz 2184 01:57:13.359 --> 01:57:13.760 was killed. 2185 01:57:13.880 --> 01:57:16.640 Oh dude, I thought it was a dream. 2186 01:57:17.039 --> 01:57:18.560 I didn't know what I thought. I was like, oh, 2187 01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:21.199 maybe she just got hit on the head. There's some blood. 2188 01:57:21.239 --> 01:57:23.239 But then when they went there, there was part of 2189 01:57:23.279 --> 01:57:26.319 me that was not angry, but I was. I really 2190 01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:29.479 felt a strong feeling about it. But then there's another 2191 01:57:29.479 --> 01:57:32.600 part of me that kind of respected it because that's 2192 01:57:33.279 --> 01:57:37.119 the game he's playing here, Like people don't get conked 2193 01:57:37.159 --> 01:57:39.159 on the head. And then they're just like okay, because 2194 01:57:39.159 --> 01:57:41.640 that's what we want to see them ultimately and up 2195 01:57:41.640 --> 01:57:44.039 together at the end, Like no, he's playing a very 2196 01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:47.000 dangerous game here, yeah, and no one is safe. 2197 01:57:47.159 --> 01:57:50.159 And she is a big enough name that you don't 2198 01:57:50.199 --> 01:57:53.199 expect her to be off so soon into the story. 2199 01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:57.359 And she's featured very prominently, you know, up until that moment. 2200 01:57:57.439 --> 01:58:00.880 And so I was shocked, and I can't say I 2201 01:58:00.920 --> 01:58:03.319 even loved it. But that's why I think it worked 2202 01:58:03.319 --> 01:58:10.600 because I didn't love it. Yeah, you know, uh the cat, 2203 01:58:10.760 --> 01:58:12.840 the cat was I mean, you have a cat. I mean, 2204 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:15.399 can imagine Jones behaved. 2205 01:58:18.720 --> 01:58:21.039 When we see the cat with this little cast or 2206 01:58:21.119 --> 01:58:25.520 this little bandage. I was like, oh, no, little buddy, Yeah, 2207 01:58:26.199 --> 01:58:30.840 so sad. The other thing, I I well, first of all, 2208 01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:34.960 the whole movie, I'm like, the mom is somebody. She's 2209 01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:35.760 got to be somebody. 2210 01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:38.680 Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I was trying to figure 2211 01:58:38.680 --> 01:58:39.399 it out. Yeah. 2212 01:58:39.680 --> 01:58:42.159 I was like, she's got to be somebody because the 2213 01:58:42.199 --> 01:58:45.680 way they're holding back, and I was so just tickled 2214 01:58:45.680 --> 01:58:46.840 by it being Laura Dern. 2215 01:58:47.399 --> 01:58:50.079 Yeah, that was nice bread and it was just like 2216 01:58:50.119 --> 01:58:50.640 a little. 2217 01:58:50.399 --> 01:58:52.039 Thing didn't even need to be there. But I loved it. 2218 01:58:52.279 --> 01:58:59.319 But the the whole, the whole running backstory with regards to, 2219 01:59:00.039 --> 01:59:03.680 you know, Hank having the accident he got into and 2220 01:59:03.720 --> 01:59:06.079 the way it's depicted, I mean, it's it's just horrific. 2221 01:59:06.119 --> 01:59:06.319 You know. 2222 01:59:07.239 --> 01:59:10.000 The first time we see him heading right towards that post, 2223 01:59:11.079 --> 01:59:14.560 I mean you're just like, ah, you know. But what 2224 01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:19.439 I really loved was when he calls his mom and 2225 01:59:19.479 --> 01:59:22.479 he's like it's like the first time in his life 2226 01:59:22.560 --> 01:59:24.399 he's taking ownership of what he did. 2227 01:59:24.640 --> 01:59:25.760 Yep, yep. 2228 01:59:25.960 --> 01:59:29.920 I loved that scene, right, very very profound and so 2229 01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:33.439 meaningful for the character. And it really makes the difference 2230 01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:38.760 because you recognize, like at the at you know what 2231 01:59:38.800 --> 01:59:41.880 he says, He's like, all I cared about was my knee. 2232 01:59:41.880 --> 01:59:44.840 I didn't care about how I got my friend killed. Right. 2233 01:59:45.239 --> 01:59:47.760 And then at the end of the film when we 2234 01:59:47.800 --> 01:59:49.600 get the not not at the end end, but when 2235 01:59:49.640 --> 01:59:54.439 he realizes that that the the Hebrews have you know, 2236 01:59:54.479 --> 01:59:55.760 they're the ones who killed. 2237 01:59:57.399 --> 02:00:00.000 Yeah, I was thinking, like, the movie is winding down, 2238 02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:01.880 I know. And then when he pulls out that cigarette 2239 02:00:01.920 --> 02:00:03.159 lighter with the gun, I was like. 2240 02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:07.960 No, I know, and I love Vincentinaffrey in the back 2241 02:00:08.039 --> 02:00:10.199 like he's ready to pull his gun out because he's 2242 02:00:10.239 --> 02:00:14.720 been and then he you know. But what I like 2243 02:00:15.279 --> 02:00:19.000 was how it signifies this is this is Hank being like, look, 2244 02:00:19.039 --> 02:00:22.920 I'm willing to die now, you know. That's his full 2245 02:00:22.920 --> 02:00:25.239 circle moment. The fact that he doesn't die is irrelevant 2246 02:00:25.239 --> 02:00:28.159 to the fact that he was willing to, yep, to 2247 02:00:28.640 --> 02:00:33.520 sort of to exact some virtue of justice for for for. 2248 02:00:34.199 --> 02:00:36.840 It was the name Yvonne, Yvonne. Yeah, yeah, you know, 2249 02:00:36.880 --> 02:00:40.680 and I love also it was such a good you know, 2250 02:00:40.720 --> 02:00:43.000 they're setting it up a little bit when you know 2251 02:00:43.079 --> 02:00:47.079 they they didn't want to drive, and so he's driving 2252 02:00:47.159 --> 02:00:49.119 but he doesn't want to drive. I love that detail. 2253 02:00:49.119 --> 02:00:53.279 Where he moves from California, you know, like car Central 2254 02:00:53.399 --> 02:00:55.319 to New York where you can exist for at least 2255 02:00:55.359 --> 02:00:57.199 New York City, right, you can exist without a car. 2256 02:00:57.399 --> 02:01:00.359 He's running as far away as possible. So him not 2257 02:01:00.439 --> 02:01:05.279 wanting to drive is a really compelling, like you feel 2258 02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:06.800 it when he's like, no, no, no, I don't want to drive, 2259 02:01:06.960 --> 02:01:09.720 you know, he says that to Matt Smith. And then 2260 02:01:09.720 --> 02:01:11.199 when he's forced to drive here and he's like, put 2261 02:01:11.199 --> 02:01:13.279 on your seat belts. Yeah. I didn't even look at 2262 02:01:13.319 --> 02:01:15.960 that as foreshadowing for any It totally made sense as 2263 02:01:15.960 --> 02:01:18.920 a character that he's like extra cautious and like, if 2264 02:01:18.920 --> 02:01:20.560 we're going to do this at all, put on your 2265 02:01:20.600 --> 02:01:23.279 seat belts. But then when it dawned on me what 2266 02:01:23.399 --> 02:01:26.199 was about to happen, you know, where he's gonna slam 2267 02:01:26.239 --> 02:01:28.960 into a pole again, pull his mood, I was like, oh, 2268 02:01:29.039 --> 02:01:30.880 that's good, that's good. Then that belt it in. 2269 02:01:33.600 --> 02:01:38.760 I have to say, by the way, I loved Leev Schreiber. Yes, yeah, 2270 02:01:38.920 --> 02:01:41.000 like Vinca Danafrey. I'm just used to him playing this 2271 02:01:41.079 --> 02:01:44.399 variety of characters, but this felt very different for Leev Schreiber. Yeah. 2272 02:01:44.479 --> 02:01:48.119 Different speed for sure, you know, and very funny because 2273 02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:50.399 because I mean, obviously he's Jewish, so he's able to 2274 02:01:50.399 --> 02:01:53.359 bring authenticity. But this could have very easily become like 2275 02:01:53.359 --> 02:01:55.720 like you know, Rabbi Krestovsky, you. 2276 02:01:55.680 --> 02:01:58.520 Know, totally, totally, he didn't do that. 2277 02:01:59.720 --> 02:02:04.359 The other thing is, is that guy, that freaking guy, 2278 02:02:04.520 --> 02:02:07.279 that asshole, the bald asshole. Yes, yes, this is like 2279 02:02:07.319 --> 02:02:10.159 a freaking dog, you know, yeah, microbe. 2280 02:02:10.199 --> 02:02:11.560 I think that's his microbe. 2281 02:02:12.920 --> 02:02:16.199 First, I love that that little detail where he steals 2282 02:02:16.199 --> 02:02:19.760 Hank's hat mm hmm, yes, because he's just because he's 2283 02:02:19.760 --> 02:02:23.760 a freaking cock, right, yes, And then that becomes this 2284 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:26.319 great thing where he's at Chase Stadium and Hank is 2285 02:02:26.359 --> 02:02:28.479 able to use that as a way to throw them 2286 02:02:28.520 --> 02:02:32.279 off his trail. He's like that guy that that that 2287 02:02:32.279 --> 02:02:37.279 that Giants fan said the Mets suck. That's great. But 2288 02:02:37.359 --> 02:02:40.359 what I loved is that guy was like vicious right 2289 02:02:40.359 --> 02:02:43.479 throughout the movie, but he turns out he's got a 2290 02:02:43.479 --> 02:02:47.239 glass jaw because it just takes one one shot to 2291 02:02:47.399 --> 02:02:48.600 just knock him clean out. 2292 02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:50.159 Right. That was so satisfying. 2293 02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:52.079 That was really it was very satisfying. 2294 02:02:52.159 --> 02:02:52.279 Right. 2295 02:02:52.279 --> 02:02:54.760 This is a true righteous Vengines type situation, right. 2296 02:02:55.560 --> 02:02:56.039 Yeah. 2297 02:02:56.119 --> 02:02:59.520 And the other thing I have to say, I pegged 2298 02:03:00.079 --> 02:03:03.680 Regina King as a heel very early on. 2299 02:03:04.000 --> 02:03:06.399 I did two and I don't remember what it was, 2300 02:03:06.800 --> 02:03:08.520 but there were something for me. 2301 02:03:08.760 --> 02:03:16.800 It was when that guy the Columbus Columbus, his name Colorado. 2302 02:03:16.880 --> 02:03:18.159 Oh, Colorado, yeah, Colorado. 2303 02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:21.079 He's like, oh you called that, lady cop. Don't do 2304 02:03:21.079 --> 02:03:22.399 that again. I was like, how would he know that? 2305 02:03:22.760 --> 02:03:24.079 Mmm? Oh interesting? 2306 02:03:24.439 --> 02:03:26.079 So that was my that was my red flag. And 2307 02:03:26.079 --> 02:03:27.520 then when they were in the diner, I was like, 2308 02:03:27.640 --> 02:03:29.000 uh up, she's bad. 2309 02:03:29.239 --> 02:03:33.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she was good. She was good. 2310 02:03:33.960 --> 02:03:37.439 I liked Matt Smith. Actually, this might be my Matt 2311 02:03:37.479 --> 02:03:41.520 Smith moment with him playing the neighbor, because you know, 2312 02:03:41.560 --> 02:03:43.520 he's leaving in a hurry, and it seems like they 2313 02:03:43.560 --> 02:03:49.199 have a unique camaraderie that's not entirely like they really 2314 02:03:49.239 --> 02:03:51.439 like each other, but they like kind of are like 2315 02:03:52.039 --> 02:03:55.960 neighborly enough him in Austin Butler's character, and so then 2316 02:03:56.079 --> 02:04:00.920 when he comes back, and Austin Butler thinks that him 2317 02:04:01.000 --> 02:04:03.640 leaving was some sort of like rousse, you know, or 2318 02:04:03.680 --> 02:04:06.319 he left because his dad had had a stroke, and 2319 02:04:06.319 --> 02:04:08.439 he calls him out about it, like, you know, this 2320 02:04:08.479 --> 02:04:10.560 whole message because of you, and you made up this 2321 02:04:10.640 --> 02:04:12.920 you know thing about your dad. And then he immediately 2322 02:04:13.720 --> 02:04:15.600 Matt Smith pulls down his shirt and shows that he 2323 02:04:15.640 --> 02:04:18.000 has the weird dad tattooed on his chest and he's like, no, 2324 02:04:18.159 --> 02:04:19.840 that was real, like my dad died, you idiot. 2325 02:04:20.479 --> 02:04:23.159 I was like, oh, like that, and it makes that 2326 02:04:23.199 --> 02:04:26.279 guy more interesting yep, you know, And then he has 2327 02:04:26.359 --> 02:04:29.760 that brief heel turn after yes, and they're like, oh, 2328 02:04:29.800 --> 02:04:30.159 that's what. 2329 02:04:30.119 --> 02:04:31.720 I was gonna say. Because then then they go in 2330 02:04:31.760 --> 02:04:34.439 the locker and it feels like maybe they can sort 2331 02:04:34.439 --> 02:04:36.560 of team up in some sort of way. But yeah, 2332 02:04:36.600 --> 02:04:39.239 then Smith turns on him, and then when he banged 2333 02:04:39.239 --> 02:04:42.399 his head, there was something satisfying about it, but then 2334 02:04:42.520 --> 02:04:45.760 I was also like, ugh, this makes me feel gross, 2335 02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:47.319 you know what I mean, Like it was just such 2336 02:04:47.319 --> 02:04:51.520 a realistically violent moment that was sort of off putting 2337 02:04:51.520 --> 02:04:55.199 in an interesting way. But then he comes back right 2338 02:04:55.279 --> 02:04:58.039 and and then the fact that the baseball bat to 2339 02:04:58.159 --> 02:05:00.560 the head. Usually in a movie, it's like, you know, 2340 02:05:00.600 --> 02:05:03.439 people get like shot and stabbed and whatever, and then 2341 02:05:03.439 --> 02:05:05.359 by the end of the movie they're like skipping off 2342 02:05:05.399 --> 02:05:09.119 into the sunset. But that that hit to the head 2343 02:05:09.680 --> 02:05:12.039 is what ultimately kills him, and he he has that 2344 02:05:12.079 --> 02:05:14.720 moment where he's walking to the public storage place and 2345 02:05:14.760 --> 02:05:17.760 he stumbles, Yeah, because he's suffering from the concussion, and 2346 02:05:18.279 --> 02:05:22.680 just so much more texture to this thing than I expected, 2347 02:05:23.119 --> 02:05:26.199 and I really appreciated it. And then him ultimately dying 2348 02:05:26.239 --> 02:05:28.239 on the subway was kind of sad. Even though he 2349 02:05:28.279 --> 02:05:32.399 was a complicated it was mostly kind of an annoying character. 2350 02:05:33.079 --> 02:05:37.720 Well, I see. What I like is how it illuminates 2351 02:05:37.960 --> 02:05:40.279 our main character, right, because he had every reason to 2352 02:05:40.319 --> 02:05:44.279 just leave him there, and he doesn't, you know. I mean, 2353 02:05:44.319 --> 02:05:46.840 I think what the movie is at pains to show 2354 02:05:46.920 --> 02:05:49.039 us is that Hank is a decent guy. He's in 2355 02:05:49.239 --> 02:05:52.239 he's in a not great situation, but he's still he's 2356 02:05:52.319 --> 02:05:56.079 at heart basically a decent guy. Yep. And that was 2357 02:05:56.079 --> 02:05:58.960 something that I did appreciate totally. 2358 02:05:59.039 --> 02:06:00.840 I mean, all the all the stuff they gave him, 2359 02:06:01.079 --> 02:06:04.800 the baseball stuff, but we haven't even mentioned the alcoholism. Yeah, 2360 02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:07.640 you know, which it's very subtle. You know, it's like 2361 02:06:07.680 --> 02:06:10.920 some movies you can imagine where it's just you know, 2362 02:06:10.960 --> 02:06:12.920 he's got like the beer in his toilet tank and 2363 02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:14.439 he's got the d and they kind of make a 2364 02:06:14.439 --> 02:06:16.760 thing out of it. But it's just I know, I 2365 02:06:16.840 --> 02:06:18.680 clocked and he was drinking a beer at like eleven 2366 02:06:18.720 --> 02:06:20.279 in the morning and thought that was kind of weird. 2367 02:06:20.920 --> 02:06:24.560 But then when he loses his kidney and it's like, oh, 2368 02:06:24.600 --> 02:06:26.640 you have to stop drinking. And then he realizes he 2369 02:06:26.720 --> 02:06:30.079 has that stuff all over his apartment and it becomes 2370 02:06:30.079 --> 02:06:34.159 a real thing for him to also have to you know, 2371 02:06:34.359 --> 02:06:35.600 battle throughout this movie. 2372 02:06:35.920 --> 02:06:38.119 Yeah, it's just I don't know, I just I mean, 2373 02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:41.359 it's effective to the extent that, you know when he 2374 02:06:41.399 --> 02:06:44.159 goes to ask his boss for help and then he 2375 02:06:44.279 --> 02:06:48.359 just gets shit faced. Yes, yes, definitely, you're like, oh no, 2376 02:06:48.479 --> 02:06:51.399 don't don't, oh no, not not more. You know. 2377 02:06:51.800 --> 02:06:53.520 Yeah, I actually thought of that. I know I've said 2378 02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:55.840 this on the podcast before and I don't remember what 2379 02:06:55.880 --> 02:06:58.520 movie it was, but there are movies where you see 2380 02:06:58.520 --> 02:07:00.880 people drinking and you're like, I want to, And then 2381 02:07:00.920 --> 02:07:03.079 there are movies where people are drinking you're like I 2382 02:07:03.119 --> 02:07:04.560 will never touch alcohol again. 2383 02:07:05.640 --> 02:07:06.439 This is the ladder. 2384 02:07:06.640 --> 02:07:08.960 Yeah, definitely. I was just like, no, don't do it, 2385 02:07:09.000 --> 02:07:11.000 don't do it, and it was making me like, I 2386 02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:13.199 don't I don't want to touch alcohol, you know. 2387 02:07:14.720 --> 02:07:18.960 So here is a question I had and Amen and 2388 02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:22.199 I had the same question, which is there is a 2389 02:07:22.239 --> 02:07:26.159 scene where you know, he's in the bar with his 2390 02:07:26.239 --> 02:07:29.920 boss and then they go into the safe, right, and 2391 02:07:29.920 --> 02:07:32.680 he pulls out a shotgun and then they they they 2392 02:07:32.720 --> 02:07:37.239 lock the bad guys out right. Yeah, boss dies, Hank 2393 02:07:37.319 --> 02:07:40.239 is tramped in there, and then we cut to him 2394 02:07:40.399 --> 02:07:45.079 walking out. Yes, did I miss how did he get out? 2395 02:07:45.279 --> 02:07:48.319 Well? They I did find that a little confusing because 2396 02:07:48.319 --> 02:07:48.760 they leave. 2397 02:07:49.880 --> 02:07:50.560 Is that what it is? 2398 02:07:50.640 --> 02:07:53.239 Yeah? They literally left, and I remember, I mean I 2399 02:07:53.319 --> 02:07:56.119 was paying attention, but I feel like I missed why 2400 02:07:56.159 --> 02:07:59.279 they thought they wouldn't wait it out, Yeah, because then 2401 02:07:59.279 --> 02:08:02.119 they're like, Okay, well we'll meet you again or something 2402 02:08:02.199 --> 02:08:05.840 like that, and I wasn't tote Yeah, I wasn't quite 2403 02:08:05.960 --> 02:08:08.479 understanding the motivation behind that. But yes, they end up 2404 02:08:08.720 --> 02:08:12.000 leaving and he waits a minute and then he exits. 2405 02:08:12.399 --> 02:08:15.760 Okay, So I would call that maybe not executed to 2406 02:08:15.840 --> 02:08:16.840 the best. 2407 02:08:16.560 --> 02:08:19.359 Of Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I could 2408 02:08:19.439 --> 02:08:20.800 have to see it again to fully. 2409 02:08:21.279 --> 02:08:25.279 I thought the cut was so abrupt. I thought that 2410 02:08:25.279 --> 02:08:28.800 they were gonna give us a flashback in a second 2411 02:08:29.359 --> 02:08:31.760 and chow us what happened? You know, right? But that 2412 02:08:31.800 --> 02:08:34.640 actually makes sense? Okay, Yeah, anything else you want to 2413 02:08:34.640 --> 02:08:35.680 say about cod Stealing? 2414 02:08:36.079 --> 02:08:40.720 Uh no, just uh I'm glad. Well you you mentioned, 2415 02:08:40.760 --> 02:08:45.079 you know, just a perfect movie to discover in a theater, 2416 02:08:45.159 --> 02:08:49.119 and I couldn't agree more. I mean, it's just I imagined 2417 02:08:48.760 --> 02:08:50.760 I would catch this at some point. I didn't have 2418 02:08:50.840 --> 02:08:53.159 plans to see it in the theater. And I know 2419 02:08:53.239 --> 02:08:56.479 it's not easy for everybody, so acknowledging that, but it 2420 02:08:56.520 --> 02:08:59.880 is just so fun and delightful to just walk into 2421 02:09:00.079 --> 02:09:02.600 something that isn't exactly on your radar, but you're like, 2422 02:09:02.720 --> 02:09:04.880 let's give this a shot and seeing it where the 2423 02:09:04.920 --> 02:09:07.720 world is shut off, you're in a dark room, you're 2424 02:09:07.720 --> 02:09:10.319 not looking at your phone, and you're just jumping into 2425 02:09:10.359 --> 02:09:13.199 something unexpected and you don't know where it's going. That's 2426 02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:15.600 what's this is. I think it's worth mentioning that this 2427 02:09:15.680 --> 02:09:18.279 is based on a book by Charlie Huston, and he 2428 02:09:18.319 --> 02:09:20.600 wrote the script for this also and it feels like 2429 02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:22.840 a book in that way, or it's a very shaggy dogtail, 2430 02:09:23.560 --> 02:09:28.520 doesn't you know, feel like a precise movie structure. There's 2431 02:09:28.560 --> 02:09:30.000 just a lot of stuff, a lot of characters, a 2432 02:09:30.039 --> 02:09:31.680 lot of twists and turns, a lot of things going on, 2433 02:09:32.119 --> 02:09:33.920 and it's just so fun watching something where you don't 2434 02:09:33.920 --> 02:09:37.439 know where it's going. And the ultimate way to experience 2435 02:09:37.479 --> 02:09:39.800 any story, you know, in a dark movie theater. So 2436 02:09:40.920 --> 02:09:42.880 I'm glad. I'm glad we wound up doing this one. 2437 02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:46.239 Me too. That said, Yeah, based on the box office, 2438 02:09:46.279 --> 02:09:48.399 I suspect for many people this one will be caught 2439 02:09:48.560 --> 02:09:49.560 streaming because. 2440 02:09:49.319 --> 02:09:51.600 I say, enjoy it on the airplane or in the 2441 02:09:51.640 --> 02:09:52.640 comfort of your living. 2442 02:09:52.520 --> 02:09:57.159 Room, enjoy it on voodoo in eight days. Yeah, probably 2443 02:09:57.319 --> 02:09:59.840 is nobody too, that's already on streaming. I saw that. 2444 02:10:00.039 --> 02:10:03.880 Yeah yeah, yeah. But hey, let us know your thoughts 2445 02:10:04.560 --> 02:10:06.199 if you have any if you do end up watching 2446 02:10:06.239 --> 02:10:08.000 this or we'd love to hear what we have to 2447 02:10:08.000 --> 02:10:10.000 say about anything that we said during this episode. 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My name is Zachie As this has 2478 02:11:31.359 --> 02:11:34.079 been movie Film three twenty five. We'll catch you next time. 2479 02:11:34.119 --> 02:11:43.920 Thanks folks, welcome friends. Its podcast podcasting Don Show Jackie again, 2480 02:11:44.199 --> 02:11:48.000 Ryan The Talking Dot momy Now podcast on