Speaker 1: Joining us now is Tom Kubanek, and he is the
Speaker 1: CEO of a company called secure It. They have been
Speaker 1: a military contractor in the past, but now it's about
Speaker 1: eighty seven percent, he said, is a consumer market. It's
Speaker 1: a product that you might be interested in. If you've
Speaker 1: got a firearm, you want to be able to secure it,
Speaker 1: have a rapid access gun safe type of thing. But
Speaker 1: we want to talk about Second Amendment issues. It's very timely,
Speaker 1: I think, with what is happening right now, and so
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the gun culture, second Amendment
Speaker 1: in general. And so joining us now is Tom Kubanik.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much for the opportunity. I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to the conversation.
Speaker 1: And well, it really has been over this last weekend
Speaker 1: people have been talking about Second Amendment rights and the
Speaker 1: gun culture from a variety at different angles. Is really
Speaker 1: put at front and center with the shooting in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and so we've seen some surprising statements from people that
Speaker 1: are Republicans, people that are supposed to be allies to
Speaker 1: the to the gun issue, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be carrying a gun. Things that look like
Speaker 1: their perspective is that makes you instantly dangerous and a suspect.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the really the threat and
Speaker 1: what direction is it coming to us in terms of
Speaker 1: the individual liberty and the god given right of self defense?
Speaker 1: What's your perspective on that?
Speaker 2: It's it's really there's always the forces. There are always
Speaker 2: the forces working to eliminate this right, and they will
Speaker 2: seize on every opportunity to steer and manipulate and whatever
Speaker 2: they can. But as you said, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: very much pro to a people who are now making
Speaker 2: statements that would call into question like wait a minute,
Speaker 2: what is your position? And I think a lot of
Speaker 2: that is driven. I mean, if they're politically connected, they
Speaker 2: want to be within a narrow realm of acceptable to
Speaker 2: walking points without you know, alienating their base. But it's yeah,
Speaker 2: the Second Amendment sits, you know, as an icons as
Speaker 2: one of ours. It's a fundamental right of this country,
Speaker 2: of our of citizens. And that means it doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: you know, how bad a situations, it doesn't matter politically
Speaker 2: correct in buto the you know, the horrible nature of
Speaker 2: what unfolded is I mean, it's a travesty what happened, and.
Speaker 3: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I can't get too detailed into the house and whis
Speaker 2: because you know, we don't know yet exactly they're going
Speaker 2: to dig.
Speaker 3: Into this thing and pull it apart.
Speaker 2: But regardless of what happened, the Second Amendment is still
Speaker 2: stands for what it is, and we have the right
Speaker 2: to carry, we have a right to own and have firearms,
Speaker 2: and that right should have no bearing, no impact on
Speaker 2: the events that unfolded other than there was a gentleman
Speaker 2: who was exercising a right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we see this. A lot of people talk about
Speaker 1: the fact that in order for the general public at
Speaker 1: large to understand what is involved here, they need to
Speaker 1: have some contact with guns. I don't know your background
Speaker 1: in terms of your contact with guns and how long
Speaker 1: that's been around, assuming that it's been a very long time.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people have hardened positions because they're
Speaker 1: not really a part of that culture. They don't know
Speaker 1: anything about guns, they haven't used them. But we're living
Speaker 1: in a time where individual liberty is pretty much despised
Speaker 1: in all different areas. I mean, almost everybody has driven
Speaker 1: a car in this society, and yet we see a
Speaker 1: lot of contempt for the right to be able to
Speaker 1: travel freely. We just had a lot of Republicans voted
Speaker 1: against the idea that we're going to stop this kill
Speaker 1: switch that's been mandated, you know, so they want to
Speaker 1: get a lot of Republicans who and pretty much nearly
Speaker 1: all the Democrats who said that the government should be
Speaker 1: able to shut down your car independent of you. We
Speaker 1: should have some device somehow that's going to be on
Speaker 1: the car that's going to decide whether or not you
Speaker 1: should be allowed to drive and then shut it down.
Speaker 1: We've seen different things like that proposed for safety in
Speaker 1: terms of smart guns and stuff like that. Well, we're
Speaker 1: going to have a smart car that's going to decide
Speaker 1: whether or not you're allowed to use it. And so
Speaker 1: even though people have had a lot of experience driving cars,
Speaker 1: being passengers and cars and know the car culture here
Speaker 1: in America, there's still a real uneasiness about car ownership
Speaker 1: and operation. So of course we're going to see that
Speaker 1: with the gun culture, aren't.
Speaker 2: We Absolutely it's you know, the car thing is really
Speaker 2: strange that the people are supporting this, And I'm surprised
Speaker 2: there's not a bigger outrage because no, there is there
Speaker 2: is no right to own or drive a car in
Speaker 2: our constitution. However, the concept of a car didn't exist
Speaker 2: when everything was drafted, and we do have a right
Speaker 2: to move about in our country.
Speaker 3: We do have a right to you know, we're self directed.
Speaker 2: We have the freedom to do what we want to
Speaker 2: do as long as we're not violating someone else's constitutional rights.
Speaker 2: So you could simply, very easily draw a conclusion that
Speaker 2: you know these rights we have. The car is simply
Speaker 2: a vehicle to exercise our rights. It's a very accepted
Speaker 2: it's the standard way with in which we Americans move around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the government's going to come in and say, oh wait,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be able to shut off a right. We're
Speaker 2: gonna because you're not Yes, you're stopping a car, but
Speaker 2: you're shutting down someone's ability to move about freely. And
Speaker 2: you can't argue that, well, you still have that a right.
Speaker 2: You don't need a car. Well in our world, I mean,
Speaker 2: anybody knows if all of a sudden, unless you live
Speaker 2: in a in a handful of big cities with public transportation,
Speaker 2: that you feel safe riding with the cousins football, Well,
Speaker 2: it is, but it's again, I had a son who
Speaker 2: lived in New York with the school there, and he
Speaker 2: was never going to own a car in New York.
Speaker 3: It makes no sense.
Speaker 2: But I live in a small town, and if you
Speaker 2: don't have a car, that is a that's a punished
Speaker 2: that's a sentence.
Speaker 3: You are now confined. You're not moving around.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: It's just it's that critical to our ability to move
Speaker 2: about freely in our country.
Speaker 1: That's right. And of course the drafters of the Constitution
Speaker 1: understood that the Bill Rights is not giving us rights,
Speaker 1: and our rights come from God. What they were doing
Speaker 1: was enumerating certain ones that they knew that we'd be
Speaker 1: attacked at first, but they made it clear that if
Speaker 1: we didn't mention, it doesn't mean that we don't have
Speaker 1: that right. We haven't surrendered anything to you. And that
Speaker 1: really is the case when we look at their intrusion
Speaker 1: into our personal papers. They don't have to send a
Speaker 1: they don't have to send an officer around to rummage
Speaker 1: through our desks anymore. They can do it remotely through
Speaker 1: our devices, and they can get into our personal papers
Speaker 1: and all these other things like that. So it really
Speaker 1: is we're the point where people don't understand why we
Speaker 1: have these prohibitions against actions by God infringing on our
Speaker 1: individual liberty. And they don't value these things because they've
Speaker 1: always had them and they take them for granted. And
Speaker 1: we're on the cusp of losing so many of our liberties,
Speaker 1: I think, and so the Second Amendment is just one
Speaker 1: of those, and it's the one that they've been coming
Speaker 1: after for the longest time.
Speaker 2: I think, I think you're I mean, it is, but
Speaker 2: the fact that it is, I don't know if the
Speaker 2: word is brilliantly worded, but it's so well worded in
Speaker 2: our constitution. Again, and you said, this is not a
Speaker 2: right that is given. The right is it's implied that
Speaker 2: the right is at birth. It simply says the government
Speaker 2: is not going to infringe on this right. So and
Speaker 2: that's that is very carefully worded in our favor. And
Speaker 2: as you just mentioned, though, what we're seeing happening and
Speaker 2: a lot of people are unaware of it, it's everything else.
Speaker 2: It's this chipping away of our individuality and you know,
Speaker 2: working us towards what was a what did the new
Speaker 2: head of New York City about collectivism?
Speaker 3: This idea that we're not individuals.
Speaker 2: It's the collective and the collective whole will benefit if
Speaker 2: we have if the government has these powers, well that's
Speaker 2: there's no world where I could ever imagine that somehow
Speaker 2: we benefit because the government has a massive power to
Speaker 2: limit our capabilities. I don't care what that capability is.
Speaker 2: It's just that's not who we are. We we have Again,
Speaker 2: they're not our leaders. They are simply our representatives. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and when they start acting like leaders and thinking they're
Speaker 2: in charge, that's that should be red flags going up
Speaker 2: all over the place.
Speaker 1: And of course history shows just the opposite happens. You know,
Speaker 1: when you turn over all powers to the government. So
Speaker 1: you know, what do we do? What is real security?
Speaker 1: And how you know from your perspective in terms of
Speaker 1: what you make available to people in terms of the organizations.
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about your corporation, how you
Speaker 1: got involved in it?
Speaker 3: Well, secure it.
Speaker 2: We are the global leader military weapons storage. We build
Speaker 2: armories all over the world and now we are in
Speaker 2: consumer products with fast access gun safes. Our methodology is
Speaker 2: a little different than in the consumer retail space. We're
Speaker 2: the only company that you know we come from a
Speaker 2: military background. We look at firearms and firearms security and
Speaker 2: safes and things like that from from the perspective of
Speaker 2: why does someone own a firearm, and that storage has
Speaker 2: to be conducive with why you own the gun.
Speaker 3: To that end, you.
Speaker 2: Know, everything we produce is smaller, modular, lightweight, affordable and easy,
Speaker 2: easy to live with. The idea of a great, big, heavy,
Speaker 2: you know, metal box full of drywall in your basement
Speaker 2: is just it's it's there's a reason so many guns
Speaker 2: in America are unsecured. And I talk to a lot
Speaker 2: of people and they all have the same statements, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I've got a gun safe my basement, but for personal protection,
Speaker 2: I keep one next to my bed, I keep one here,
Speaker 2: I keep there, And.
Speaker 3: Yes, you have that right.
Speaker 2: But when you look at the data of the number
Speaker 2: of tragedies, accidental, the things that happen annually in this
Speaker 2: country that could be prevented very simply by simply providing
Speaker 2: a simple barrier between kids, between unwanted people and your firearms, it.
Speaker 3: Seems like a no brainer to us.
Speaker 2: And now you know, we're at a point with fast
Speaker 2: access gun safes, we can easily demonstrate that it's faster
Speaker 2: to have your gun locked in a fast access safe
Speaker 2: than to have it in a closet, leaning in the
Speaker 2: corner of a room. I can demonstrate that my access
Speaker 2: in my home. You you come into my home, you
Speaker 2: would never know I own firearms. Yet I'm yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: never more than two and a half seconds away from
Speaker 2: being armed if I'm at if I'm at my closet
Speaker 2: or at one of my locations, I could be less
Speaker 2: than a second. I also, you know, as you owner
Speaker 2: of the company, I'm trying to prove a point. I
Speaker 2: practice access. I make sure that I'm on top of
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. But you know, one of our missions
Speaker 2: is to make sure every gun in America is properly secured,
Speaker 2: and proper is defined by out of sight. And you know,
Speaker 2: if you've got little kids in your home, they don't
Speaker 2: need to know. And once they're old enough to understand, well,
Speaker 2: then they should go to that you should teach them,
Speaker 2: train them, and have them be very proficient with firearms.
Speaker 2: The more proficient people are a firearms, the safer we
Speaker 2: all are.
Speaker 1: So it's I agree with that. Yeah, And we're the
Speaker 1: point where one of the reasons I went to talk
Speaker 1: to you is because we're at the point right now
Speaker 1: in our family, we have my son has got a
Speaker 1: young toddler who's just starting to walk, and so we've
Speaker 1: got to make sure that we've got everything secure for him, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And you know, he's had a very vulnerable age right now.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, you never know what he's going
Speaker 1: to do with anything. He doesn't have the strength to
Speaker 1: pull the trigger, but who knows what he would do.
Speaker 1: So we've got to have this stuff secured. And that's
Speaker 1: that's the key thing. That's absolutely key thing.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: And I read and people send to me data all
Speaker 2: the time and informous stories about accidental access to firearms.
Speaker 2: And you know, with with young boys, it's a I
Speaker 2: don't want to sound I mean it's more of a
Speaker 2: boy thing than a girl thing. Oh yeah, absolutely, young
Speaker 2: train sets.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: We had hit a stick and he ammasiately points a
Speaker 2: stick and shoots it.
Speaker 1: That was right. We had a friend who she was
Speaker 1: very much did not like the gun culture and everything,
Speaker 1: and she had a young son and she said, I
Speaker 1: finally realized that it's just an eight. She said, look,
Speaker 1: I kept guns away from give him any toy guns,
Speaker 1: and I look out and he's got a stick and
Speaker 1: he's going to peep you out in the car with
Speaker 1: a stick, so you know, they know, and uh, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're just wired for that, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to make sure we take the proper precautions
Speaker 1: with all that. That's a key part of it, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It is and educate.
Speaker 2: Mean, I get the argument not to have to have
Speaker 2: a gun unsecured, and it's an old argument, but it's
Speaker 2: based on old thinking. And when you look at what's
Speaker 2: available now, there's no reason not to. There's no reason
Speaker 2: not to have every single firearm properly secured. We've developed
Speaker 2: what we call the principles of decentralized storage, and that's
Speaker 2: really looking at your home the way I would look
Speaker 2: at like a reactionary force in the Marine Corps. You're
Speaker 2: trying to defend a like a base or a embassy
Speaker 2: security force. How are we going to locate and deploy
Speaker 2: fire in your weapons to make this place secure? Well,
Speaker 2: look at your home the same way. We publish a
Speaker 2: lot of information on this because the safest, most secure
Speaker 2: locations in your home to store and secure firearms are
Speaker 2: also the best locations to give you a tactical advantage
Speaker 2: in the event of a break in a home invasion
Speaker 2: or in some way that you're being threatened in your
Speaker 2: home or in your car.
Speaker 1: That's very very important. Yeah, So, you know, what do
Speaker 1: we do to get people to understand the gun culture
Speaker 1: and what kind of messaging do we have to worry
Speaker 1: about inside of the people who understand the importance of guns.
Speaker 1: But in terms of the way that we talk about.
Speaker 2: It, you know, I think intelligent conversation is better than rhetoric.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of rhetoric on both sides of
Speaker 2: this of this conversation. And it's my hope that on
Speaker 2: the firearms side, on the side of two A, that
Speaker 2: people think a little bit and then speak and speak intelligently.
Speaker 2: You know, the Constitution is our side, is on our side.
Speaker 2: We don't we don't need to have a loud, difficult,
Speaker 2: yelling conversation about firearms. We simply need to express what
Speaker 2: the Constitution gives us and what we have and what
Speaker 2: it protects, and then just talk about the advantages of
Speaker 2: firearms ownership. And I think a big part of that
Speaker 2: advantage is training is understanding simply buying a firearm does
Speaker 2: not make you more secure. Taking the time to get training,
Speaker 2: taking the time to practice that does and I got real,
Speaker 2: I mean real quick story's. I thought it was such
Speaker 2: a huge win for the Second Amendment. We worked with
Speaker 2: a software developer several years ago. He was out of California,
Speaker 2: very liberal. In fact, he questioned working with us because
Speaker 2: we were in the firearms industry.
Speaker 3: And he was very up upfront about it.
Speaker 2: He just said, guys, look, i'm a little uncomfortable. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be honest with you. I'm not a support of
Speaker 2: the Second Amendment. I'm a little uncomfortable the idea of
Speaker 2: working for you.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: I simply said, look, I understand our mission is to
Speaker 2: make sure every gun in America is properly secured. If
Speaker 2: I achieved my mission, do you feel safer? And he
Speaker 2: agreed with me. So we started working together. And this
Speaker 2: was right when the defund police all started happening, and
Speaker 2: he was fairly close to some pretty bad events and
Speaker 2: he was nervous about it, and he went out and
Speaker 2: he bought a handgun and he talked about it. I said, look,
Speaker 2: getting the handgun is not going.
Speaker 3: To help you. You need to take good.
Speaker 2: Training, find a good instructor, find when you're comfortable with
Speaker 2: work with them on a fairly regular basis for the
Speaker 2: first couple of months that you need to make sure
Speaker 2: if you're going to own a firearm, you get to
Speaker 2: the range at least once a month.
Speaker 3: And he said it's a.
Speaker 2: Commitment, and he said okay, and was fascinating. Months later
Speaker 2: he called me, he said, Tom, I got to tell
Speaker 2: you something.
Speaker 3: I love this.
Speaker 2: I'm not shooting. He's now shooting. He was getting into
Speaker 2: a class. Then he was joining a club where they
Speaker 2: were doing competition handgun competitions. About four months into this,
Speaker 2: he called me. He said, Tom, I'm going to buy
Speaker 2: an AAR fifteen And I said, really.
Speaker 1: He goes.
Speaker 2: I just I'm watching, you know what these guys can
Speaker 2: do with the rifles, as it's the safest gun that
Speaker 2: I can own in my home, which I agree with,
Speaker 2: properly owned, properly trained a person at the air fifteen.
Speaker 2: There's no safer rifle in America. And he is a
Speaker 2: ultraliberal computer programmer guy who now is the Second Amendment supporter.
Speaker 2: And I just watched it unfold. He felt threatened, he
Speaker 2: felt alone. His vision that law enforcement is there to
Speaker 2: protect me fell apart in the defund you defund police mode,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden he realized, the only thing
Speaker 2: keeping me safe is luck that they don't happen to
Speaker 2: come the mob in the street doesn't happen to come
Speaker 2: into my home. And he viewed it was kind of
Speaker 2: a wake up call for him, and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden he did the proper steps, and I commend him
Speaker 2: for doing it properly. He now owns firearms. He's in
Speaker 2: a very good position to defend himself and his neighbors.
Speaker 2: I'm sure his friends and his groups have no idea firearms,
Speaker 2: but it's.
Speaker 1: People have to think about that, and they have to
Speaker 1: I've interviewed a guy a couple of times from South
Speaker 1: Africa and he was a missionary and he had considraencies.
Speaker 1: I don't think I should own a firearm, and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have any interest. I don't think I could
Speaker 1: shoot somebody or shoot at somebody. And yet there was
Speaker 1: a lot of violence in South Africa at the time,
Speaker 1: and so he said he saw people that were innocent
Speaker 1: being shot, and he said, I realized then that I
Speaker 1: have an obligation to protect innocent life, including my own.
Speaker 1: And so he got a gun and he trained on it,
Speaker 1: and he only had a five shot revolver, and he
Speaker 1: was attending a very large church, over a thousand people,
Speaker 1: and he was just visiting it. But they said later
Speaker 1: on during Truth and Reconciliation that they had picked that
Speaker 1: church because they didn't figure anybody would be armed. They
Speaker 1: came in the side door, throwing grenades and shooting the
Speaker 1: place up of fully automatic weapons. He's way in the
Speaker 1: back with just the revolver. Well, I'm going to try
Speaker 1: so he takes a shot and he thinks, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to hit anything with that. So he ran out
Speaker 1: the side and took some shots from there and they
Speaker 1: ran off, and they said later on they thought there
Speaker 1: were being attacked from multiple angles. He didn't realize it,
Speaker 1: but his first shot actually hit one of these guys.
Speaker 1: And so you never know in a situation like that.
Speaker 1: Here's one guy with a revolver, five shot revolver, and
Speaker 1: he was able to defend these people. Now, when they
Speaker 1: came in throwing grenades and firing automatic weapons, the immediately
Speaker 1: killed about fifty people, but it could have been everybody.
Speaker 1: They were going to kill everyone in that church, and
Speaker 1: he was able to offend that off. So people have
Speaker 1: to go through these decisions again. He had to think
Speaker 1: about this as like, would I be morally justified to
Speaker 1: do this in defense of innocent life? And he got
Speaker 1: the right decision and he learned how to use it
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had a result. It's a I always
Speaker 2: tell people, and I talk to a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of people on the firearms ownership and I say,
Speaker 2: the decision to buy your first firearm should be a
Speaker 2: life altering decision. You're if you're going to own a firearm,
Speaker 2: which you're going to you know, use actively use or
Speaker 2: use for home defense, for personal defense, You're going to
Speaker 2: change your lifestyle going forward. If you're going to carry,
Speaker 2: If your decision is to conceal carry a firearm, you
Speaker 2: will be shooting on a regular basis for the rest
Speaker 2: of your life. And they're you know, I'm very busy executive.
Speaker 2: I travel a lot, and you know I have concealed
Speaker 2: carry permit, I have all the proper everything you need.
Speaker 2: But there's many times in my life I do not
Speaker 2: ca carry a firearm because if I'm not actively training.
Speaker 2: For me, it's about decision decision making. And if I'm
Speaker 2: if I've gone a long stint where I have not
Speaker 2: been training, not been shooting, I will I'll have it
Speaker 2: in a backpack, but I will not carry on body
Speaker 2: because I'm not in a position to execute that responsibility
Speaker 2: at that time. That's a decision I make, and some
Speaker 2: people say I'm nuts, but just that's just the way
Speaker 2: I do it. And it also encourages me to make
Speaker 2: sure I block out time to work with instructors, to
Speaker 2: get the reps in, to just do everything required. You
Speaker 2: know my background as a musician, and we practice and rehearsal, practice, rehearsal.
Speaker 2: It's showtime, doesn't matter if you're nervous. It's showtime, and
Speaker 2: you execute.
Speaker 3: It's the same.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing against the same challenges. It's just
Speaker 2: you've got deadly force. You've got to have it right.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to look at it. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: son says, after the guy gets one, he uses it
Speaker 1: on the range forrow while, he realizes it doesn't the scary,
Speaker 1: uncontrollable monster that he thought it was, So you start
Speaker 1: to get to realize what it really is. It's a tool.
Speaker 1: As you point out, you need to be experienced in
Speaker 1: the use of that tool, needs to be kind of
Speaker 1: second nature. You know, there's a lot of different attacks
Speaker 1: that are coming at us in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 1: And of course, I don't know if you saw this
Speaker 1: or not, but the whole three D gun printer thing,
Speaker 1: which they really are upset about. There's a new law
Speaker 1: that's being pushed out in Washington, and what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do is, even though this has been upheld as
Speaker 1: a kind of a combination of the First Amendment and
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, the code for printing gun parts was
Speaker 1: held to be protected by the First Amendment by courts.
Speaker 1: It was challenged by Cody Wilson, and they won that fight.
Speaker 1: So now the idea of the state government in Washington
Speaker 1: State is to we're going to intimidate this. We're going
Speaker 1: to do it as a partnership with the printer manufacturers.
Speaker 1: So in order for them to be able to sell
Speaker 1: the printer manufacturer, they're going to have to set up
Speaker 1: a mechanism we can prohibit the printing of anything. And
Speaker 1: when the guy started talking about this, this guy is
Speaker 1: a three D printer guy, and he's not really focused
Speaker 1: necessarily on just printing guns, but when he talked about it,
Speaker 1: everybody thought, oh, you're just talking about printing guns and
Speaker 1: we should shut that down. He says no, this is
Speaker 1: about everything. He says, if you're a farmer and you
Speaker 1: want to print a three D part for your tractor,
Speaker 1: and John Deere says, no, that belongs to us. They
Speaker 1: can prohibit that as well. And so when we look
Speaker 1: at this, there's this massive interconnection of freedoms. And once
Speaker 1: we start to pick and choose and micromanage which freedoms
Speaker 1: are going to be exercised and how they're going to
Speaker 1: be exercised, we all wind up losing everything in the end,
Speaker 1: don't we.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: So it's I find the three D printing. I actually
Speaker 2: follow quite a bit of that. I'm fascinated by the technology.
Speaker 2: I restore old cars as one of my that's my therapy.
Speaker 2: And I've always talked to you about there's going to
Speaker 2: come a time where you don't buy parts, you buy
Speaker 2: the drawing and you simply print the parts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's a long ways down.
Speaker 2: But printers are getting so inexpensive and the technology are
Speaker 2: getting so cheap.
Speaker 3: But it's it is new.
Speaker 2: And when there's so many people, such a high percentage
Speaker 2: of our population that is afraid of change, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what the change is. You see resistance to change.
Speaker 2: Yet every morning it's a new day.
Speaker 3: Every day.
Speaker 2: This you know, the secondhand is moving and every moment,
Speaker 2: every every second goes by. Things are changing and advancing.
Speaker 2: We should embrace this technology. It's there's so much good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about our parts. You know. Jay Leno
Speaker 1: has been doing that for a while because he's got
Speaker 1: these very old car cars that he's got and nobody's
Speaker 1: making any parts for them. We're going to see that
Speaker 1: as well for much newer parts because it'll either be
Speaker 1: the situation where there's not enough of them out there.
Speaker 1: Maybe the government might even prohibit it because they don't
Speaker 1: want you driving the old cars that aren't completely connected
Speaker 1: to their control. So that is also other aspect for
Speaker 1: people to think about. It all comes to the down
Speaker 1: to the point where, uh, you know, they always want
Speaker 1: to know everything that we're doing, might manage everything that
Speaker 1: we're doing, and centralized control of everything, and that's seems
Speaker 1: to be the current thread of where everything seems to go,
Speaker 1: and that's where the stuff has been coming from for
Speaker 1: the longest time. For firearms, you know, centralized and control
Speaker 1: of firearms from Washington and then start shutting them down
Speaker 1: one by one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I'm surprised some of the things that have
Speaker 2: happened recently.
Speaker 3: I live in New York State.
Speaker 2: We have the same fact where now I have to
Speaker 2: do a background check, a state background check to buy ammunition.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't see. I don't see how this
Speaker 2: has not been thrown out yet. I'm not sure it's
Speaker 2: been adjudicated. It's a crazy rule. I'm limited in terms
Speaker 2: of magazine size. I've I've got my limits, and there's
Speaker 2: a list of guns that I simply cannot own in
Speaker 2: the state.
Speaker 1: Well, and.
Speaker 3: It's an annoyance.
Speaker 2: I mean it's for me when I look at home defense,
Speaker 2: the actual firearm that I would use to defend myself
Speaker 2: I can legally own.
Speaker 3: Can I own a thirty round magazine? I cannot. It's
Speaker 3: a ten round magazine, So.
Speaker 2: That that changes a little bit of the aspect of
Speaker 2: of how you use it.
Speaker 1: But is there a limit on how many magazines you
Speaker 1: can exact right now? They just want change out to
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 2: But it's it's again, it doesn't matter what the rule is.
Speaker 2: It's that there there's a lot of people within our
Speaker 2: government that just they're going to chip away at any
Speaker 2: anything they can do, and it's just a big pile
Speaker 2: of dirt of freedom in the middle of this room,
Speaker 2: and any bit they can pull into their little bucket
Speaker 2: and eliminate, they're going to do it. And sometimes I've
Speaker 2: seen people like Tom, why why are you taking on
Speaker 2: this fight? This is really stupid.
Speaker 1: I said that.
Speaker 2: You know, I hate to use the term slippery slope.
Speaker 2: That's overused, but yes, sometimes you fight. You fight so
Speaker 2: hard for grains of sand because you're you're stopping something
Speaker 2: that's going.
Speaker 3: To be that could become a tidal wave.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people, I mean, you see it
Speaker 2: just across across the world. A lot of people don't
Speaker 2: react until it hits them personally.
Speaker 3: At that point, they've missed their window.
Speaker 1: That's right, you know. Well, it's like Himmingway said, you
Speaker 1: know the guy who went bankrupt that is very rich,
Speaker 1: that's had had that happen, he said, Gradually, then suddenly
Speaker 1: that's why we have that analogy of a slippery slope.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what happens. At first, it's just a
Speaker 1: short little thing, but then it really picks up speeding,
Speaker 1: it accelerates. If you don't stop the trend, if you
Speaker 1: don't see the trend that's coming.
Speaker 2: No, you can stop a car rolling down hill. If
Speaker 2: the brakes don't work and the car is just starting
Speaker 2: to move, you can stand behind it and stop it.
Speaker 2: Once it's going five miles an hour, you better get
Speaker 2: out of the.
Speaker 3: Way it's going.
Speaker 2: And that's you know, it's it's we've done a good
Speaker 2: job of stopping these freight trains. I really, I mean
Speaker 2: we've I believe society has done a good job. And
Speaker 2: I think the defund police was a huge as much
Speaker 2: as it just shocked me what was happening. There were
Speaker 2: more two A supporters created when those when those laws,
Speaker 2: there was those I mean laws, it's those those sentiments,
Speaker 2: Those things are being pushed forward in cities like Minneapolis,
Speaker 2: which I used to do a lot of business. There
Speaker 2: was a beautiful city, beautiful downtown. It's never going to recover,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people that live there that
Speaker 2: for the first time in their lives woke up saying
Speaker 2: there's nothing preventing chaos from walking into my apartment or
Speaker 2: my condor or my home except luck.
Speaker 3: And I hated.
Speaker 2: I hate to see things like that happen. To drive
Speaker 2: support for what I believe in is just the simplest
Speaker 2: way and the best way to live. But we're at
Speaker 2: another point now where you know Trump is a lightning rod,
Speaker 2: like he is a lightning rod personality, and there are
Speaker 2: people that will go against the Second Amendment just to
Speaker 2: small just just because he's on that side, I think
Speaker 2: gets very short, very narrow.
Speaker 1: Focus, and he doesn't. He's not very comfortable in himself
Speaker 1: with it either, because he's never had any experience. I
Speaker 1: saw the interview with Scott Besson and that really got my, uh,
Speaker 1: got my attention over the weekend where he said to
Speaker 1: Jonathan Carl his SoundBite that he came prepared to talk
Speaker 1: about was do you go to a protest with a gun?
Speaker 1: You know, do you do you go to a protest?
Speaker 1: Kept asking a question over going and he kind of
Speaker 1: got Jonathan Carl to back, now, well, I haven't really
Speaker 1: covered protest as a reporter, and no, I haven't carried
Speaker 1: a gun either. And I thought about that. I thought,
Speaker 1: I bet Scott Besson hasn't carried one either, because he's
Speaker 1: got an army of people to protect him all the
Speaker 1: time that are armed. That was before he got into government,
Speaker 1: even he was somebody who was very very wealthy, with
Speaker 1: George Soros, and he's got his own army of bodyguards
Speaker 1: who are armed to protect him. He doesn't need that.
Speaker 1: And so you have people who grow up in or
Speaker 1: live in that kind of a scenario. They don't see
Speaker 1: the need for self defense because they've got an army
Speaker 1: of paid people who do it for them. And they
Speaker 1: really can't sympathize with what we're doing, especially if they're
Speaker 1: coming from New York. They spent all their life in
Speaker 1: New York and they ever touched the gun. They really
Speaker 1: don't really understand what's going on with it.
Speaker 2: And they never mean having to show a force the
Speaker 2: guards around you. It's not just that you're protected, it's
Speaker 2: that you'll never even see it. Because the bad characters
Speaker 2: I always equate them to like bullies in school. The
Speaker 2: bad guys aren't looking for a fight. They're looking for
Speaker 2: a pushover, and any bit of resistance perceived or otherwise,
Speaker 2: they're going to move on. They're not you know, if
Speaker 2: they believe for a minute that you might have a firearm.
Speaker 3: They're not going to bother you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna look, They're gonna look. They want the
Speaker 2: easiest target. They're looking for. You know, all these they're
Speaker 2: looking for pushovers. And I talk about home defense, and
Speaker 2: I said, guys, all you've got to do is make
Speaker 2: your home look a little more secure than the next
Speaker 2: house down the street, because the robbers, the burglars are
Speaker 2: going to go for the easiest target. And that happens
Speaker 2: in personal safety. When you're looking at personal threats against you,
Speaker 2: you know, I just tell you just walk, walk like
Speaker 2: you mean it. When you're walking through an area that
Speaker 2: you're a little concerned to stand up tall bull, walk
Speaker 2: with so much purpose, like you're ready to just take
Speaker 2: on the world. Because a bad character is gonna look
Speaker 2: and say, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 3: But again, if.
Speaker 2: You're walking with your shoulders down, slow, your head down,
Speaker 2: kind of plodding along, you just look. I mean, you
Speaker 2: look like an easy mark. Sometimes that's a difference.
Speaker 1: And the week you're the weak animal on the edge
Speaker 1: of the herd right there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, most people I know that shoot and train and
Speaker 2: carry firearms, you can just look.
Speaker 3: At them and you're not gonna mess with them. They're
Speaker 3: not gonna draw them.
Speaker 2: They're never gonna be in a situation to draw the
Speaker 2: firearm because the fight's not coming to them. The fight's
Speaker 2: going to the weak character.
Speaker 3: So, you know, the.
Speaker 2: More we can do to get people who feel or
Speaker 2: may feel vulnerable to just pause. You don't need to
Speaker 2: go out and buy a firearm. Just go to a
Speaker 2: training center and take a class. They will walk you
Speaker 2: through everything. They'll provide you with a firearm to try
Speaker 2: and get good instruction. Do it properly and see how
Speaker 2: you feel.
Speaker 1: See if it's for you. You know it's well, tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about your products. You're free to
Speaker 1: do a commercial here. Tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about how these things operate,
Speaker 1: and you know what your design objectives are for it,
Speaker 1: and now they maybe are I've seen a lot of these.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's your product or not. That
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know that's the safe. You know, it looks
Speaker 1: like a bookshelf or something like that.
Speaker 2: Well, ours ours do look like safs. And what we
Speaker 2: do we take twenty five years of building military armories
Speaker 2: into a line of consumer products. Our safes are smaller
Speaker 2: and they're lightweight, and that's one of the biggest points
Speaker 2: of difference of US gun safes are big, heavy boxes,
Speaker 2: because they believe when people see heavy they think security
Speaker 2: there's nothing. Weight has nothing to do with security. Gun
Speaker 2: safes are breached with a circular saw and a carbide blade.
Speaker 2: If you look at any bit of crime data, they
Speaker 2: simply ignore the locks. They cut a hole in the
Speaker 2: side of the safe. My safes are some you know,
Speaker 2: the same thing can happen, But our safes are small, modular, shallow,
Speaker 2: designed to go into closets, designed to go into discrete locations.
Speaker 2: And then we store firearms per military principles, where it's
Speaker 2: straight line access to every firearm. You open the door
Speaker 2: of my safe and you've got straight line one arm,
Speaker 2: one gun. You're never digging through guns. Everything is. You
Speaker 2: can glance at the safe, you know everything's there. And
Speaker 2: we also integrate gun and gear storage. You know, it's
Speaker 2: a very modular, scalable system. Our gun safes in the
Speaker 2: military are referred to as the Lego rack and the
Speaker 2: Tetris rack because the armors just start at the bottom
Speaker 2: of each one and just build like like Legos. They
Speaker 2: build exactly what they need in every single set, every
Speaker 2: single cabinet to sew their problem. Our consumer products do
Speaker 2: the same thing. Our most recent breakthrough is what we
Speaker 2: call HsfA locking high Stress fast access locking. We were
Speaker 2: hosting a training event just to learn more about access,
Speaker 2: to learn more about scenarios that unfold, and we were
Speaker 2: doing force on force training in a shoot house where
Speaker 2: you're simulating home invasions and office brake ins, and we
Speaker 2: determine when you trigger someone into fight or flight. These
Speaker 2: guys are all experienced shooters, but we could trigger them
Speaker 2: into that panic mode. They could not open a simple
Speaker 2: gun safe the buttons they could because when you go
Speaker 2: fight or flight, you lose find motor skills, you developed
Speaker 2: tunnel vision, your cognitive abilities reduced. So I got back
Speaker 2: from that event and a day later I had this
Speaker 2: new lock design drawn up. Within six months, it was
Speaker 2: incorporated across our entire line and it's a locking solution.
Speaker 3: It's a very simple.
Speaker 2: Very secure, but it's designed to give you the fastest
Speaker 2: possible access when you're under very high stress, like if
Speaker 2: somebody home invasion, You've got a second and a half
Speaker 2: two seconds, maybe somebody's shooting at you, you're in panic mode.
Speaker 2: Our locking solution puts you in a position to get
Speaker 2: retrieve your firearm very quickly and defend yourself.
Speaker 3: That's the newest thing we've done.
Speaker 1: So how does how does it open up.
Speaker 2: It's just a it's a it's a push push button
Speaker 2: locks which releases the safe. Simply, it's a handle. You
Speaker 2: just turn a handle open the door. Ergonomically, we position
Speaker 2: all the guns so that and we have videos on
Speaker 2: how to set up your safe fastest possible access whether
Speaker 2: it's a rifle or a handgun. And it positions a firearm,
Speaker 2: so I retrieve the firearm.
Speaker 3: I retrieve it.
Speaker 2: Like for me, if it's an air fifteen, left hand
Speaker 2: on grip, it comes up and in a one simple motion,
Speaker 2: I'm in a ready position to defend myself with handguns.
Speaker 2: The door accessing is a little different. We're gonna you're
Speaker 2: positioning things so the safe pops open. When the firearm
Speaker 2: comes out of the safe, you are in a low
Speaker 2: ready position or high ready depending on the location of
Speaker 2: the safe. But it's we're the only company that really
Speaker 2: thinks about the ergonomics and the actual flow of what
Speaker 2: people are doing when they need to access a firearm
Speaker 2: very very quickly. So we really and this goes back
Speaker 2: to our military, working with the Marine Corps, the Reaction
Speaker 2: force teams, working with special forces, the high speed teams,
Speaker 2: where everything has to be seconds everything, and it has
Speaker 2: to be you know, the old slowest, smooth, smooth as fast.
Speaker 2: We follow that idea that the simplest path is usually
Speaker 2: the best. There's there's just it's what we do is
Speaker 2: very simple. It's just nobody in firearm storage ever thought
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: You know, gun saves.
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with gun saves. They're just all the same.
Speaker 2: It's a big box full a little wus and you
Speaker 2: pack all your guns in there. We also do not
Speaker 2: we do not offer fire ratings on our core products.
Speaker 2: Fire ratings are nonsense.
Speaker 1: It's get out quickly fire you can get it out.
Speaker 2: So the whole fire rating system, the whole fire rating
Speaker 2: system is not honest. It really, I've done it. I
Speaker 2: posted a lot on this. It is a horribly flawed system. No,
Speaker 2: your guns will not survive in a hot fire.
Speaker 3: They won't.
Speaker 2: And even if they look okay, you'll never know how
Speaker 2: hot they got. Your hardened steels not harden. Your annealed
Speaker 2: barrel may not be annealed. You're never gonna shoot them again.
Speaker 2: We do make one. We call it the True Safe.
Speaker 2: It's a double walled, cement filled safe. We make it
Speaker 2: to prove a point that if you want fire safety
Speaker 2: fire capacity fire rating. This is what it takes.
Speaker 1: It's a beast.
Speaker 3: It's just under two thousand pounds.
Speaker 2: When you buy it from us, we install it, We
Speaker 2: send a crew, they install it. You're never gonna move
Speaker 2: this thing. Do people need it? No, We made it
Speaker 2: to prove a point. We do sell and they're very
Speaker 2: popular with coin collectors we find, but we do sell
Speaker 2: a handful.
Speaker 3: Of them a month.
Speaker 2: But really we made it just to show the gun
Speaker 2: industry the world. This is what a fire rating is,
Speaker 2: this is what it takes. But you don't need a
Speaker 2: fire rating. The risk of your home burning down is
Speaker 2: so rare that you know, going through all that nonsense
Speaker 2: and all that weight, and all the materials they use
Speaker 2: are all banned from use in armor. Of the dry wall,
Speaker 2: the carpeting, the adhesives is all very corrosive. You know
Speaker 2: the reason the industry sells millions of dollars of anti
Speaker 2: corrosion products because the traditional gun safe is very corrosive.
Speaker 2: You know, all of our products our civilians are all
Speaker 2: made to the same military standards and we don't recommend
Speaker 2: using any of those products. You simply clean your guns properly.
Speaker 3: You're never going to corrode.
Speaker 2: It's and that's kind of you know, our whole position
Speaker 2: in the consumer market. We are the I don't want
Speaker 2: to say red headed step child, but we're the guys.
Speaker 2: We're the outlier. We're the disruptive force in the industry
Speaker 2: trying to drive. We're trying to change an industry that's
Speaker 2: just been doing the same thing for sixty five years.
Speaker 1: Perspective is very different. You're looking at this is how
Speaker 1: do I store this so I can get quick access
Speaker 1: to it? Instead of you know, how do I make
Speaker 1: this thing? It was stand out hurricane and a fire
Speaker 1: and all the rest of the stuff. You know. And
Speaker 1: now let me ask you, how do you go from
Speaker 1: a locked standpoint to being able to open it quickly?
Speaker 1: You're talking about pushing a button and getting in there.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so our locks are all we I mean,
Speaker 2: we have biometrics within our locks, but we would never
Speaker 2: ever recommend use of a bi like a push you know,
Speaker 2: biometric fingerprint readers. Those are for convenience only, because if
Speaker 2: your hands are wet, it won't open. Your hands are dirty,
Speaker 2: it won't open.
Speaker 1: If you're wearing.
Speaker 3: Gloves, it won't open.
Speaker 2: We want everybody to use the keypad. Again, our our
Speaker 2: fast access keypads work very well. But when you buy
Speaker 2: my safe, if you've got to under the bed safe
Speaker 2: for a shotgun, every night, when you go to bed,
Speaker 2: turn the lights off, you're gonna reach down quietly and smoothly,
Speaker 2: do your combination, open the safe and close it, go
Speaker 2: to bed. You're gonna do that every night for the
Speaker 2: first thirty six nights, and then you're gonna do it
Speaker 2: every week. And what you're doing is you're building muscle memory,
Speaker 2: just like a musician playing an instrument. And when you
Speaker 2: do that, once you've go thirty six days, you've now
Speaker 2: ingrained that you've hardwired that you're subconscious, regardless of your state,
Speaker 2: you're going to open that safe incredibly quickly and very smoothly.
Speaker 2: So that's you know, we have a whole curriculum of
Speaker 2: train with your safe. People with handguns always they practice
Speaker 2: their dry fire routines, they practice their draw If you're
Speaker 2: actively if you conceal carry, if you're into this, you
Speaker 2: know part of the Second Amendment.
Speaker 3: You should be every morning doing your dry fire routines.
Speaker 2: I sit on a on a slack line balancing just
Speaker 2: for added added uh, I don't know just just a
Speaker 2: workout thing. And I do dry fire drills every morning,
Speaker 2: and I've been doing that for years because that's it's
Speaker 2: just getting those reps and it's so important. Same thing
Speaker 2: with my locking system is every time you go to
Speaker 2: if you've got a small safe in your closet by
Speaker 2: your front door, which is a great location in store firearms,
Speaker 2: every time I pull a coat out to just reach in,
Speaker 2: not even looking, I can open up that safe and
Speaker 2: remove a firearm in less than a second with my
Speaker 2: eyes closed, because I've done it probably two thousand times.
Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of how we look at the
Speaker 2: whole thing is the you know, the gun safe industry
Speaker 2: has as safe as a passive piece of equipment that's
Speaker 2: in your basement that you go to after your day
Speaker 2: is done with training or hunting or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 2: We look at firearm storage as integral to the process
Speaker 2: of defending your home, the process of defending your life.
Speaker 2: So we want that access, that using that lock to
Speaker 2: be part of your process.
Speaker 1: It's another holster in other.
Speaker 2: Words, exactly, that's the term. We've us a wholester for
Speaker 2: your home, and and that's how we look at it.
Speaker 2: The other side of our system is gun and gear storage,
Speaker 2: the amount of gear, and this happened at the military first.
Speaker 2: You know, we got involved with the military because they
Speaker 2: were fielding so much high value gear their armories just
Speaker 2: couldn't hold it. And part of our system is that
Speaker 2: ability to store gear behind above around with your firearms
Speaker 2: in a very organized manner. So we have a real
Speaker 2: advantage our systems. When you open the doors up of
Speaker 2: a safe that's really really decked out and take a
Speaker 2: picture of it, everybody.
Speaker 3: Goes, holy cow, that looks good.
Speaker 2: And that's you know, our We made Ink Magazine's fastest
Speaker 2: growing companies in America twice in three years, and we
Speaker 2: never we never spent any money on advertising.
Speaker 3: It was all word of mouth.
Speaker 2: It was just photographs of what people were doing with
Speaker 2: our system and it just went crazy. So it's a
Speaker 2: I think we're winning this idea that of you know,
Speaker 2: for what we do, storage and security are integral to safety.
Speaker 3: And you know, home defense, and that really is the
Speaker 3: vulnerability that we have.
Speaker 1: You know, we have if people don't use the firearms reasonably,
Speaker 1: then that opens us up to the attack on firearm
Speaker 1: ownership from the safety standpoint. So part of preserving the
Speaker 1: Second Amendment is preserved your life and preserving the safe
Speaker 1: storage of these items as well.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it absolutely if we always say, if every firearm
Speaker 2: in America was properly secured, would we be fighting so
Speaker 2: hard to the Second Amendment?
Speaker 3: Because you're going to eliminate so many what.
Speaker 2: I call them stupid, so many the accidental the things
Speaker 2: you read about you just you just you know, your
Speaker 2: roll your eyes, you drop your head.
Speaker 3: It's a tragedy. We're just like, my god, it was
Speaker 3: so easy to prevent that.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's we live at a time now where there
Speaker 2: should never be a child getting access to a firearm,
Speaker 2: or a friend at a party who's drunk.
Speaker 3: Or you know, there's there's.
Speaker 2: It's real easy now to keep firearms secured yet very
Speaker 2: very available to the to the authorized person.
Speaker 1: Yes, and of course, you know we see elements of
Speaker 1: this when it comes to atomobiles as well, right, and
Speaker 1: you know, when people don't use automobiles responsibility, then that
Speaker 1: puts all of us in a position of having our
Speaker 1: rights up away with that. And of course it says
Speaker 1: so many people don't have experience with firearms at all
Speaker 1: like they do with cars. Whenever they see something like
Speaker 1: that I think that that is characteristic of everybody rather
Speaker 1: than just one irresponsible person. So it's really important for
Speaker 1: you personally, and it's important for us collectively to protect
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment. But the key thing is for your
Speaker 1: own use. And so I really like the idea that
Speaker 1: you've got that it's another holster that's there that you
Speaker 1: train with it to be able to open up very quickly.
Speaker 1: That's a great idea. Again, the company is yes, go ahead, Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's Secure Tactical.
Speaker 2: You know, we're working hard to get this message out.
Speaker 3: We're slowly winning it.
Speaker 2: It's just not easy, you know. We're trying to change
Speaker 2: the way people think and that takes time.
Speaker 1: It just does.
Speaker 3: But we're slowly, we're slowly winning this war.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and so the company, again, folks, is secure It.
Speaker 1: What is your website? Is it secure?
Speaker 3: Secure?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Secure gun Storage dot Com, Securate Tacticals, our military site.
Speaker 3: These google the words secure it. We're all over the web.
Speaker 1: That's great. Thank you so much. Fascinating story, and we'll
Speaker 1: be looking at it ourselves, I'm sure. So thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Tom. I appreciate Tom, thank you, and secure
Speaker 1: It gun Storage, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I should mention that they don't sell these in the
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Speaker 1: how to use the product, how to train with the product.
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