WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:00.360 MHM. 2 00:00:01.679 --> 00:00:10.919 Welcome Friends podcast Zaki ran about. 3 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:25.000 From the producers of Superman, Alexander saul Kind presents Supergirl 4 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:25.760 like Superman. 5 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.879 He's my cousin whoa. 6 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:31.359 Supergirl on a secret mission to save her world. 7 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:33.439 You've had your fun Selena. 8 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:39.960 The Game is Finished, starring Faye Dunaway, Peter O'Toole, and 9 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:44.560 Helen Slater as Supergirl Rated PG now playing at a 10 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:45.840 theater near you. 11 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.520 Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name is 12 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:52.159 Zachison and I'm here with Brian Hall. 13 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:53.600 Hey, how's it going, Zachie? 14 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.079 Brian, I gotta say when when I when I committed 15 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:04.920 us to doing this comitary track, I assumed that we're 16 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:07.519 talking about Supergirl, by the way, the nineteen eighty four Supergirl. 17 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:14.480 And you know there are many release lengths of this film, yes, 18 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:18.120 and so you know, I assumed it would be the 19 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:20.519 one I had seen when I was a little lad, 20 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:23.439 which is about about a little under one hundred minutes, 21 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:30.159 not realizing that in fact, the international releases is the 22 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:31.640 coin of the realm these days. 23 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:35.120 Yeah, I look forward to talking about this because there 24 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:39.640 are multiple versions of this out there, just different releases, 25 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:40.400 different lengths. 26 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:42.280 Yeah. 27 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.760 Actually, as I was watching this in my mind began 28 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.959 to wander a little bit. I went on IMDb only 29 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.879 a little bit. Well, I don't want to lead with that, 30 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.480 because for people who are tuning into this, who have 31 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:00.319 a fondness for this, like a nostalgia for it, I 32 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.200 can completely understand that. But I should say up top, 33 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:05.079 this is the first time I ever saw this movie, 34 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:06.319 which is. 35 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:08.319 Now likely be the last time you ever see that. 36 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:10.680 I was gonna say, actually, I thought that last night 37 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:13.319 today with you will probably be the last time I 38 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:16.680 ever watched this movie. But I went on IMDb. So 39 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.000 I checked my watch quite a bit, and I went 40 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.360 on IMDb, and it lists the movie as an hour 41 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:31.240 forty five Yeah, And I was like, liar that version. 42 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.680 I did not see that version anywhere. So I'm really 43 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:35.919 curious for you to talk about your memories of this 44 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.439 movie and if you've noticed what's different in this version 45 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:40.199 we're about to watch. 46 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:44.360 Uh yeah, well we'll talk about it. Yeah all right. Well, 47 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:48.599 I figure, hey, we have two hours and four minutes 48 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:52.599 to fill, so yes, yes, let's get going. Let's let's 49 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.039 just knock this bad boy out. So you know, the 50 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:57.639 timing certainly could not be more apropos. 51 00:02:57.719 --> 00:02:58.080 We are. 52 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:00.360 We are in the lead up to the release of 53 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:05.000 the twenty twenty six model Supergirl coming out, and I figure, well, 54 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.840 when else would we ever talk through this movie? Right, Like, 55 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:11.960 this is as good a time as any. It is 56 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.360 the only time, if any, So let's do it. 57 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.280 Yeah, and I gotta say, I don't regret watching it. 58 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:20.520 It's always been a curiosity for me. I remember this 59 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:23.840 video like VHS box at the video store growing up, Right, 60 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:27.960 So there's a super movie out there from the eighties 61 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.479 that I've never seen. I'm curious about it, and now 62 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:31.599 we get to discuss it. 63 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:36.639 We do, indeed, and yes, I fully acknowledged that. Obviously 64 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.719 people do have a lot of nostalgic affinity for this film. 65 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:43.080 I have no doubt, you know. I think it's appropriate 66 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:47.520 that we are talking. This is our commentary track that 67 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:51.400 we were recording after having just done Masters of the Universe. Yeah, 68 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.280 the nineteen eighty seven film, and certainly that is the 69 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:56.879 nostalgic sweet spot for me. Written by the way, by 70 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:01.159 the same guy, No, no kidding, David. He wrote Masters 71 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:04.360 of the Universe and this interesting, okay, just just by 72 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:06.639 weird by weird happens stance, the universe is telling us 73 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:09.000 something and just a reminder if you want to hear 74 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:11.599 this episode ad free, which is the best way to 75 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.520 enjoy our commentary tracks, I would recommend checking out our 76 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:17.600 Patreon page, right, Brian, Yeah, if you head over to 77 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.399 patreon dot com slash Movie Film Podcast for only five 78 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:24.000 dollars a month, you'll find this commentary and every commentary 79 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.279 we've ever done ad free without any ads or interruptions 80 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:30.000 butting in, which is especially important if you're trying to 81 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.519 watch along and you don't want to have to keep 82 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.519 pausing the movie every time an AD pops up. So 83 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.519 definitely the most enjoyable way to enjoy the show. So 84 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:41.519 if you're ready to lock in with us and seek 85 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:47.279 out the Omega head drawn alongside us, now's the time. Yeah, Yeah, 86 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:52.600 we are watching the International cut, which is the only 87 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:57.399 cut that's available widely, So it's two hours and four minutes. 88 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:59.920 That's the one we're watching and the one we're talking through. 89 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:04.199 And if need be, I will be comforting Brian as 90 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:07.079 he sobs through having to watch this again within the 91 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:08.240 span of like twelve. 92 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:12.120 Hours, and and I look forward to getting into why 93 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.800 yeah you need to hold my hand through this there there, Well, 94 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:16.680 we'll get into it. 95 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:19.879 There's a lot. Yeah, all right, here we go, Brian, 96 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:22.600 you're ready, I'm ready. All right, we're gonna do the 97 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:24.680 usual thing. We will hit play on three one two 98 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:31.000 three play and one two three play. All right, So 99 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.040 right up top. You will note that there is no 100 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:35.680 like studio logo or anything like that. 101 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.160 Yes, which I read about later. I did not notice 102 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:40.079 that on first viewing. 103 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:44.600 Yeah, we just get dropped right into this one million 104 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:46.920 dollar title sequence. 105 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:50.319 So I read that fact and I was like, no way, 106 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:54.000 and so I started googling to confirm it, and yep, 107 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.720 like you said, yeah, a million dollars. This opening sequence 108 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.120 and the visual effects in this movie are atrocious. So 109 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.759 you think, why would you not put that million dollars 110 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.160 towards your movie? 111 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:13.079 Well, and it's really weird because it's clearly trying to 112 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:18.720 do something adjacent to you know that that that zoom 113 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:21.480 thing that we see with the titles and Superman the 114 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:27.800 first Superman, right, but it's it's just it's just wishy, 115 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:29.120 washy and worse. 116 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:34.560 You know what. I will actually say I thought they 117 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.399 were impressive. I'll actually say that. 118 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:40.360 I I I think it's I think I think the 119 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:44.439 the typeface is interesting to me, but other than that, 120 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.879 I'm like, this goes on forever. 121 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:51.160 Oh well, certainly that I think. What I mean is 122 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.160 for nineteen eighty four. They look nice, sure, but but 123 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:57.240 it reminds me of the HBO logo, like the old 124 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:02.439 eighties HBO thing. It doesn't right because it's this metallic lettering. 125 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:06.079 No, that's all fine, but but like cut to the chase, guys, 126 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:06.560 I mean. 127 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:09.519 Oh no, no, argument's there, no arguments there. But I 128 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.800 mean this colorful sort of you know, pink and red 129 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.800 and whatever, cloudy background and these I was actually impressed 130 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.839 that this was from such an old movie that I 131 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:22.000 had seen images from before. 132 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.079 Like in this sense that this is pre CGI exactly. 133 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.600 So these are like real things that you had to 134 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:28.759 That's what I. 135 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.680 Mean with the HBO thing, because I think now it 136 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:32.759 comes up in my algorithm all the time, the making 137 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.360 of that HBO opening where you're like, no, they actually 138 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.600 built those letters out of metal and filmed them and 139 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:41.800 it looks incredible, And so this reminded me of that, 140 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:43.639 and I assumed it was the same sort of thing. 141 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.439 I I guess, yeah, and even like I mean the 142 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.240 way that the light is playing off of it. I 143 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:52.560 mean again, for its time, that's pretty impressive. 144 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:56.160 You know what, if this was the end titles, mmm, 145 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:01.240 I would have been like, cool, Yes, it's very very long. Yes, 146 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:07.040 so Jeno Swark, we should say he directed Jaws two 147 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:09.639 with you and I both were like, well, that that's 148 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.399 better than it might have been. I think that's our 149 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:13.519 takeaway from that movie. 150 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.480 You know what is fascinating, because yes, I think this 151 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.959 movie looks okay, yeah, I think it's at the script 152 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.720 level where this thing is a complete disaster. 153 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.000 The script is catastrophic. But but to your point about 154 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:30.160 the special effect, okay, actually you know okay, So yes, 155 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:32.320 is like it was like Pristjugi's syndrome. I got like 156 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:36.799 fifty thoughts altered the Yeah, okay, so we're in Argo 157 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:40.159 City right now. This is a chunk of Krypton that 158 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:45.799 survived the explosion. Now, it would have been nice if 159 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:50.879 they even a little bit explained what this is in 160 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.279 relation to what we've already seen in those other movies. 161 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:59.320 Absolutely. I just recently read the graphic novels Supergirl, Woman 162 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:03.480 of Tomorrow and Tom King. I think, yes, wonderful, and 163 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:08.000 they do explain what happened. How you know, Supergirl survived 164 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:10.559 and this this floating chunk and you know how they've 165 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:13.360 like put a little protective bubble over it, like makes 166 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:17.679 complete sense and is a wonderful tragedy even and in 167 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:19.639 this one, I was waiting to see, oh is this 168 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:23.960 the same set up? And I don't know that I 169 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:26.519 understood this at all. They're in some other dimension. 170 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:32.039 I yeah, I mean there's no they they don't they 171 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:36.080 don't contextualize it at all, like anything. It could have 172 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:41.960 been a crawl, sure, anything, right, because because the problem 173 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:47.960 is that these people are the same people that Marlon 174 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.399 Brando was chilling with a couple of years ago. Yeah, 175 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.759 but this is like some weird hippie commune with like 176 00:09:55.799 --> 00:10:00.440 a it's the city is like a whole we works building. 177 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:02.480 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. 178 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:06.480 Yeah, there's no sense of tragedy or exactly you know, 179 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:10.720 displacement or anything. Yeah, hippie commune. That's perfect. Yeah, they're 180 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.000 all barefoot walking around in these robes and. 181 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.360 Right and and okay, so two things I want to say. 182 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:22.919 First of all, uh, Helen Slater is very good in 183 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:23.519 this movie. 184 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.720 I don't disagree. I wasn't sure at first. 185 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:31.279 Like I think she is. She gives more than the 186 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.000 movie allows her to give. 187 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:36.679 I actually thought that Titanic quote where I was like, 188 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:39.440 I wish they had built you a better movie absdred percent. 189 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.000 Yeah. Uh. And I will also say Peter o'tool has 190 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.519 like two scenes in this and he's clearly like you 191 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:46.759 can smell the alcohol. 192 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:50.279 Yes, I didn't want to be like disrespectful, but I 193 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.080 was like, it almost feels like they found him like 194 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.919 tipsy somewhere and they're like, hey, we're shooting this movie. 195 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:57.120 Do you want like and they put a little cheesy 196 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:59.639 wand in his hand, and like, you know what would 197 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:01.200 this guy like he'd be. 198 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:04.639 As little like this, you know, like but I would 199 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:07.639 even still I think he shows. 200 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:10.480 Up, you know what, He's playing a character. 201 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.360 Absolutely and any so I would say he gives a 202 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:18.559 comparable level of investment as Brando did in the first film, 203 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.279 because by all accounts, Brando could not be bothered to 204 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:23.840 care about the first Superman. But my man showed up. 205 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:26.759 He came to play without a doubt whether or not 206 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:29.159 it works for you, that's a whole other thing. Yes, 207 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:32.279 Like he was making me chuckle a little bit, but 208 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.360 I was also his commitment. I completely admire. 209 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.879 Absolutely, because he has like two scenes in this movie, right, 210 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.320 So it's actually it's actually very brando asque. Now, but 211 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.519 here's the thing. Okay, so that's Mia Farrow as who 212 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:48.559 just is here like this is the only part of 213 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:51.840 the movie she's in. And then we see Simon Ward 214 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:56.440 in like a second as Kara's dad, Sorel, who is 215 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.919 Jorel's brother. Now, my thought is that that guy, I'm 216 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:04.480 sure he's a fine actor, but I'm like, you got 217 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.120 Peter O'Toole right here? 218 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.840 Yes, yeah, why wouldn't you have him as as. 219 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:13.200 Kara's dad? Right? 220 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.000 Like? Yeah, that's interesting, it's weird. 221 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:17.919 I mean, it's just an odd choice, right because because 222 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:22.960 I think that I don't, you know, I think the 223 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.240 fact that that's Joryl's brother is kind of a big deal. 224 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:27.279 But you wouldn't know that from what we see here, 225 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:28.559 right right? 226 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:29.080 Right? 227 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:29.440 Yeah? 228 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:29.759 Oh no. 229 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:33.559 Also, also based on this scene right here, Carl is 230 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:34.960 kind of an idiot, right, Like. 231 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:39.600 I know, I know, Well, this is this is where 232 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:45.559 the problems for the entire movie begin and never recover, right, 233 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:51.360 I mean, she's essentially responsible for dooming the last remaining 234 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:54.000 survivors of Krypton. 235 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:59.080 Well, and her and Drunkie McGee over there because. 236 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:03.200 He was possibly took like one all important power source 237 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:03.480 for this. 238 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:10.360 Yeah, he's like, we have two power sources, yeah, Cara, Yes, 239 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:12.759 And then he just kind of kicks it over to 240 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:18.679 her and she brings this goddamn horror show Dragonfly to life. Yeah, 241 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.279 as it dooms them all. Yes, and we're supposed to 242 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.279 be like, and there's our hero well and or could 243 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:31.000 be could be right if her first order of business 244 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:34.840 is to fix things, you know what I mean, Like, 245 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:35.639 what have I done? 246 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:39.159 I'm youthful, I made a mistake, but I've got to 247 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.639 save my people. But from the moment she gets in 248 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:45.759 that little pod, she's like, wow, space is wonderful, isn't 249 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.159 it not like banging on the glass looking back like 250 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.320 that is no ticking clock, no ticking clock. And the 251 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.039 second she gets to Earth, she's like, oh, look an 252 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:58.039 old girl academy. That looks like fun. And then she's 253 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.799 like playing lacrosse like minutes later, like as if her 254 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:04.639 people aren't in peril right now, that never gets brought 255 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:05.080 back up. 256 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.360 This is so weird, so so to me, this is 257 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:09.759 very See there's Joel's brother, not that you would know 258 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.200 or care. They never meant they mentioned, oh, by the way, 259 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:16.960 my cousin went to Earth. Anyway, proceed with your tree 260 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:23.399 or whatever. Right this, Structurally, what you do is you 261 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:27.799 make Zaltar the guy who is directly responsible for what 262 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:33.720 has happened, and Kara is like, I need to save 263 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:36.200 my Yeah, I need to save my people, I need 264 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:39.440 to save my friend. Yes, and I'm gonna do this. 265 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:42.840 That's that's right. So it's a it's a weird because 266 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:44.919 because either way you have to end up with Zaltar 267 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:50.200 in the Phantom zone. So why why either way you're 268 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.799 gonna get there. But like right away we're like, well, 269 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:57.639 she's she's she's a dummy. Yeah yeah, And so it's 270 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:02.559 it's it's very weird. And and it's weird because and 271 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.159 admittedly I'm not I'm not an expert on on the 272 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.919 Supergirl comic continuity of this era, but I mean it 273 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:12.360 wasn't really even reflective of what was what was there 274 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:13.480 in the comics, you know. 275 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:18.080 That's what I was wondering, if this is how close 276 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.039 at all this is this story has anything to do 277 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:23.480 with the comics, So not not much. 278 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:27.879 Not much like my understanding is that it's similar in 279 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:31.919 that you have this chunk of Krypton that was flung 280 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:34.840 into space when when the planet exploded. And so so 281 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:38.720 Kara grows up there and and he her again. Her 282 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:43.080 her father is is Zrel. And then and then the 283 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:48.639 the the land that they're on itself transmutes into kryptonite. 284 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.600 M hm, right, so right, so the people begin to die, 285 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.960 and so they send Kara to Earth to save her life. 286 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:01.200 And that's that's the com And then and then you know, 287 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:04.799 Superman finds her on Earth. They in recent like in 288 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.919 the last twenty years or so, they changed they changed 289 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:11.960 it to say that Kara is actually older than kal 290 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.519 el Okay, but because of the time dilation, he ended 291 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:17.960 up arriving on Earth before her and growing to adulthood 292 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.519 before she did. So she is currently physically younger, but 293 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:22.559 she's actually older. 294 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:26.679 Is that to give her some sort of mental maturity 295 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:28.600 or why even go through those extra steps? 296 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:33.039 I think I think partly it's it's just to just 297 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:37.399 to add some some something different to her, the idea 298 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.879 that her experience with Krypton would be very different from 299 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:41.960 from Superman's. 300 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:44.919 Yeah, oh sure, sure, sure, sure, sure sure that makes sense. 301 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.080 By the way, I think these effects remind me very 302 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:51.480 like Douglas Trumbull two thousand, which I kind of dig. 303 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:54.639 Yeah, and we saw something similar in both the first 304 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:59.039 and second Superman films. Yeah, where it's like putting oil 305 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:00.600 in water or whatever and. 306 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.399 Totally but it kind of kind of cool, kind of works. 307 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.680 But see she's she's all like, wow, it's so gorgeous. Yeah, 308 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:09.480 like there's no which I can I can understand to 309 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:12.519 a point, but we never saw her freaking out. That's 310 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:14.440 right about what she's left behind. 311 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:20.720 Okay, so here we go. So now I have to 312 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:24.720 say it, so Fade done Away as Selena. Now I 313 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:30.119 think the character is garbage. Yeah, uh okay, it makes 314 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.240 not even a lick of sense, And I'll get into why. However, 315 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:35.759 I have to give credit. I think Faith done Away 316 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:37.720 she's doing something interesting. 317 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.839 Oh she's no, absolutely like she's playing this character the 318 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:46.480 way that the movie wants this character to be. But yes, 319 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:49.160 you know, you can get into what's wrong with the character, 320 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:51.400 and then we can also get into this plot, which 321 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.519 is basically just her and Supergirl fighting over a boy 322 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:58.440 they don't even know for two hours while her planet 323 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:01.440 apparently is power down and everyone's dying. 324 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:06.079 At no point do we cut back to Argo and 325 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:10.079 see them gasping for air or any right, Like. 326 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:12.680 I literally I wrote down in my notes. I thought 327 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.039 it would be funny when it's like he's cute, It's like, no, 328 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.480 I saw him first. And then we cut back to 329 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:21.960 the planet and like we're dying. The children's lungs are 330 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.400 even smaller, they're dying faster, you know, Like, just how 331 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:28.880 horrifying what's happening that she has just completely forgotten about? 332 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:32.359 The movie has forgotten about. I couldn't believe two thirds in, 333 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:34.319 I was like, this is the plot. This is the plot. 334 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:38.960 They're just fighting over a boy that they don't even know. Yeah, 335 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:42.319 they're just a cute guy they saw. I can't believe 336 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:43.319 this is the plot. 337 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:46.720 It doesn't it feel it's like a middle aged man 338 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:49.759 writing what he thinks teenage girls want to see. 339 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:52.200 That occurred to me too, because I thought this is 340 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.440 especially in the eighties, you know, I'll speak for myself, 341 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:57.319 like I really did feel like there were boy things 342 00:18:57.319 --> 00:18:59.759 and there were girl things. Absolutely, that was definitely what 343 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:01.839 theulture was like then. You didn't boys didn't play with 344 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:04.119 girl toys or watch girl shows and vice versa. Yeah, 345 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:08.200 and so I can imagine as a boy this movie 346 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.039 coming out and me thinking, oh, this, I guess this 347 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:12.759 is for girls, And if I were to watch it, 348 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.400 I'd be proven kind of well, no, I don't want 349 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.319 to like put women down saying that this is for them, 350 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:20.200 because it isn't. But it is about girls and boys 351 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:22.880 and whatever, and just it would not have appealed to me. 352 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:26.319 And then I was like, why would they reduce, like 353 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.640 almost insult this character for having her be so you know, 354 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.039 wrapped up in this silly nonsense. But then and then 355 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:36.079 it occurred to me if my train of thought, wait, 356 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.440 a man wrote this, like probably exactly like you said, 357 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:41.559 A middle aged man is like, well, it's about girls 358 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:43.839 and they're fighting over a boy, super. 359 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:46.640 Like boys and field hockey, don't. 360 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:49.839 They exactly exactly? So it begins to make a little 361 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:50.480 bit more sense. 362 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:54.160 So we get the little thing like, by the way, 363 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.240 Superman is off in space, yes, over the radio, like 364 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:00.960 a news report on a special piece seeking mission to 365 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:05.440 a galaxy scientists maybe yes to maybe several hundred trillion 366 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.400 light years away, which that's a convenient, but be also 367 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.720 like what you know, what have the other films shown 368 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:16.759 us that would lead us to believe that's congruous, you know. 369 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:23.079 Yeah, well he was apparently in earlier drafts, right he was, Yeah. 370 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:25.400 And Chris Reeve noped out. So right there, what we 371 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:27.759 just saw of Kara flying out of the water, that 372 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:30.920 was a cardboard standy that they just pulled on a wire, 373 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:31.599 which I thought. 374 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:33.920 Was I read that and I think that is fascinating 375 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:34.640 and it looks great. 376 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:38.720 Yeah, I agree. So, so before we move past the 377 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:42.720 thing with Selena, the villain character played by Faye Dunaway, 378 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:44.519 this is the type of thing that kind of drives 379 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:47.440 me nuts in terms of story construction. She's sitting there 380 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:50.200 in her picnic. We know she's bad because her picnic 381 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:54.839 blanket is like a stuffed tiger, right, yes, yes, And 382 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:58.640 she's like, oh, if only I could rule the world 383 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:04.279 up as this omega hedron just drops in her soup, right, 384 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.640 and I'm like, wow, that's convenient, isn't it? 385 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:06.920 Right? 386 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:07.119 Right? 387 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:12.240 Right? Somehow this all powerful device lands within spitting distance 388 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:16.960 of the worst person on Earth? Sure, right, And I 389 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.920 was thinking, I was like, it would have taken no 390 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:25.240 effort at all to say the omega hedron pops into 391 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:29.519 our plane and she senses it because she's a witch, 392 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.839 and now she and Supergirl are both drawn to it. Yes, 393 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:38.440 and you eliminate the coincidence entirely. Sure, sure, right, this 394 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.079 is the type of man. This drives me nuts, you know. 395 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:44.200 By the way, I really like this sequence. 396 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.720 Oh it's great we're talking about the flying ballet. Yeah, 397 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:50.720 because again Brian girls love ballet. 398 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:58.880 But it's someone on a new planet and they're discovering 399 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:02.519 they have different abilities, and it's it's kind of drawn out, 400 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:05.480 but in a way that I actually think works. Like 401 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.680 I agree, you know, her realizing she can squish a 402 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.480 rock and she can fly. And I do love that 403 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:17.440 this is all shot through, like we're like peeping Tom's 404 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:21.079 almost hiding in a bush like looking through branches, which 405 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:22.440 is kind of weird if you think of it that way, 406 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:25.640 But obviously it's to obscure the wires. 407 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:29.960 That's right. So Helen Slater, she's nineteen, she makes this movie. 408 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:36.319 She brings like maturity to the like I I I 409 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:43.559 feel like she's she's older, you know. Yeah, yeah, very 410 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:47.960 to me, very much. Christopher Reeve esque where you have 411 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.480 this unknown who really does make a strong mark, right, 412 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.279 And I think the fact that she had a pretty 413 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:58.559 solid career after this film speaks to that, right, because 414 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:00.000 she was you know, I don't know if you've seen 415 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:01.680 the Legend of Billy Jean. I think that's what she's 416 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:04.640 most known for. But I mean she's a love interest 417 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:06.480 in Secret of My Success. 418 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:10.279 And oh wow, I have not seen that movie in 419 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:13.759 a long time. But yeah, okay, interesting and I've never 420 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:15.880 seen a Legend of Billy Jean. And that just came 421 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.599 up in a group hangout recently and they. 422 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:19.440 Were wow, there you go. 423 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:21.880 Yeah, yeah, they were talking. They really liked that movie. 424 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:23.519 So the universe is telling me something. 425 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.880 Yeah, it's plopping into my soup right now that I 426 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.319 should catch up on Ellen Slater's filmography. 427 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:34.559 Now I have to say someone else who showed up 428 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:39.319 for this movie was Jerry Goldsmith. Yeah, because man, this 429 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:46.200 score is like twenty percent more than this movie is 430 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:51.319 giving at any given time. Sure, yeah, like, hey, girls 431 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:54.440 love ponies, right, Brian. But you know what again, I. 432 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:57.640 Will say real fast. I mean, obviously this looks a 433 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:00.039 little janky to our eyes in twenty twenty six, but 434 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.920 I love the spirit of this just her this so 435 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:07.759 to be fair, like any criticism of this movie isn't 436 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:11.720 anything to do with its lack of budget or you know, 437 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:14.920 not so great visual effects. Like I love this. I 438 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.079 love her learning she can fly and then you know, 439 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.119 flying over these racing horses and the countryside, picking up 440 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.559 a flower and letting it bloom. I think this is 441 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:25.200 really lovely. 442 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.599 I think all of that stuff works and it and 443 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:34.039 it shapes the character in a way that we didn't 444 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:37.400 get to see the Chris Reeve Superman do because if 445 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.160 you remember in the first film, you know, he discovers 446 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:42.839 the Fortress of Solitude and then he kind of goes 447 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:46.319 off and learns what joerel and then we see him, 448 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:50.720 you know, montage one, montage later he is Superman, right, Yeah, Or. 449 00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:52.480 I guess in a way it reminds me of the 450 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:56.000 scene when Clark is running alongside the train. Yeah, there 451 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:58.599 was that good that giddy sense of discovery. 452 00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:04.720 That's good call. Yeah, And I think that that that 453 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:08.279 aspect of the characters what makes her different from Superman, Right, 454 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:12.880 She's she's an immigrant in a way that that Superman 455 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:17.039 is not. Right sure, and that's certainly something Tom King, 456 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:19.839 you know, really plugged into in that run that you're 457 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:25.200 talking about, that recent run where you're wrestling with this 458 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:30.799 this cultural clash. I think this film gives it lip service, 459 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.960 but I think fundamentally, I love Brenda Vacar has a 460 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.039 lot of fun in this, and I'm just like, she's 461 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.680 kind of playing like the Carrie Fisher character. Dude. 462 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:41.359 I thought the exact same thing. I was thinking. If 463 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:43.519 Kerrie Fisher in nineteen eighty four could see this, it'd 464 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:46.440 be like, you are glimpsing into the future. This is 465 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:51.599 who you become actually, And I also wrote down the 466 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:55.359 pitch what if the villains were Patty and Selma Vibes. 467 00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:00.200 That's really later, you know, I shoot out know the 468 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.880 character's name, but Bianca, Yeah, she's always got a cigarette 469 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:08.440 and like, I don't know, girl, like, eh, it's a 470 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.799 lot of that. She's wonderful though. By the way, she 471 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:12.200 has much needed color. 472 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:15.680 I think, well, it's great because she's basically the ned baby, 473 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:19.400 you know, totally yeah, less stupid. 474 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.359 But I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, yeah, more a 475 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.920 little more Carrie Fisher, Yeah, little sardonic. 476 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:30.400 Yeah exactly. Yeah, she's like a she's like a sassy 477 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:35.960 nineteen fifties secretary. You know, Well, you don't see that 478 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:38.960 every day, do you as she like, you know, tips 479 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:40.680 her cigarette ash off in. 480 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.680 It, totally like unaffected by everything. 481 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:46.480 It's so funny. 482 00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:49.720 Oh yeah, no, good please, Well real quick, we. 483 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:51.799 Were talking about the special effects and some interesting stuff 484 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:55.960 here with like front projection stuff, and I say this often, 485 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.799 I appreciate the swing sometimes more than the execution because 486 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:04.960 I don't think some of this projection work is as 487 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.960 effective as what we saw in the earlier Chris Reeve films. 488 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:10.880 I agree, and I think a lot of that can 489 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.920 have to do with taking away the idea of you know, 490 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.759 like the grain structure of the background just not matching 491 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:21.440 you know, what we're seeing with her. Forget forgetting all that. 492 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:27.559 I think you have to take into account the camera 493 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.799 movement of the background. Yeah, and the camera movement of 494 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:31.319 your hero. 495 00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:33.119 That's great, yeah. 496 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.039 Right, because they're not in sync with one another, so 497 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.240 it creates a jarring effects. 498 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.960 That's exactly it. So they were clearly they were trying 499 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:43.640 a new process. It wasn't the same flying effect technology 500 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.720 that they used for the earlier films, and I don't 501 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:48.480 think it worked as well as it might have. You know. 502 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:53.519 Yeah, I gotta say I didn't love this scene. 503 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.640 I was just I was what I had written down 504 00:27:57.759 --> 00:27:59.599 was this scene. What the hell? 505 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:06.000 Yeah, I mean, look, there's part of me that understands this. 506 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.400 You know, you got these two gross truck driver guys 507 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.039 coming up and basically sexually harassing her, and I get it, 508 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.319 and I can even understand a version of this scene 509 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.599 in a Supergirl movie. But it's just kind of not 510 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:23.000 what I want. It's very icky, it's very ikey, and 511 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:27.119 they're very they're not really being cartoonish as cartoonish as 512 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:31.160 some of the other kids. They're really grotesque and upsetting, 513 00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:33.839 and like it's it's like the real world seeping into 514 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.079 a fantasy film in a way that's really upsetting. 515 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.599 So the guy in the denim jacket, that's Matt Frewer, Yes, 516 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.960 Max Headroom, Max Headroom himself, and. 517 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.039 The dad from the neighbor, Dad from Honeys Shrunk. 518 00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:48.440 The Kids, Honey Sunk Kids. That's right. 519 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.480 Yeah, so we'll see more of him, by the way. 520 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.440 He's good, he's yeah character. 521 00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:55.720 Yeah. 522 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.079 Well he was in gosh, what's the last thing I 523 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:05.039 saw him? And he was in Zack Snyder's Watchman. Yeah, 524 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:09.440 he's molloy. Okay, he's been in a few things here 525 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.079 and there. I met him at a con a couple 526 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:12.599 of years ago, and it was it was cool just 527 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:13.839 to talk to him. He's just a cool guy. 528 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:15.440 Yeah. 529 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.240 Yeah. So so this right here, obviously there they're being 530 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.759 as you said, it's not cartoonish. Yeah, it's it's gross 531 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:27.119 and and I think Helen Slater plays the vulnerability, like 532 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:32.839 the initial what the hell coupled with her resistance very well. 533 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:35.000 But this right here where she's like, why are you 534 00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.920 doing this? And he's like, it's just the way we are. 535 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:43.359 Yeah the hell, I know it's so dark now that 536 00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.519 bit right there where she kicks him. 537 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.880 Legs, his ball should have just like exploded. 538 00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.240 Dude, I had I know, I saw this in something recently, 539 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.240 but I did have the thought like it'd be kind 540 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.440 of funny as she was discovering her laser vision if 541 00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.480 she just like blew one of their faces through the 542 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.000 back of their hea heads. And then one of the 543 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:05.000 friends is like, whoa, you know, now here's the thing 544 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:09.960 about this, Okay, yeah right there his he right, yeah, yeah. 545 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.200 If she's got a super kick, yeah, his balls would 546 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:13.920 have come out like. 547 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:16.559 Shut through the top of his head. But here's the thing. 548 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:21.119 They're like, so you lack Superman. Huh. They live in 549 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.240 a world with Superman. Superman is a fact of existence. 550 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:26.200 Mmmm. 551 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.119 And so the first instant when she lifts this dude 552 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.519 up by his chin, it doesn't occur to them like, oh, 553 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.720 maybe you're a super person and we should stop this. 554 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.000 But no, dude pulls his knife out and then she 555 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.799 does like her heat vision on it. Yeah, and he's 556 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:43.960 still coming at her. 557 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:50.240 Yeah. Yeah, that's the way they are, Zachi say, it's 558 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:50.960 the way we are. 559 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.920 So this scene here will not surprise you. I don't 560 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.319 think to know that it was cut out of the 561 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:57.720 American theatrical release. 562 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:02.759 Oh wow, okay, okay, that makes when we Yeah, it's 563 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:04.880 like this weird. I don't even know how to describe it, 564 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.680 like this weird, campy bad guy convention party. 565 00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:11.240 I feel like it's it's this is the prelude to 566 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.759 a key party. That was my thought. 567 00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.880 Yeah, totally totally. But then you have like a guy 568 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.039 coming in on a toy train carrying on a tray, 569 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.279 and oh that makes so much. I actually wrote down 570 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.119 because I didn't know there were different versions. First I 571 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:27.720 wrote down, this movie is desperately in need of an editor. 572 00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:30.119 Oh yeah, because. 573 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.960 If I think you could even if I was never 574 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:36.839 going to enjoy the plot, it could move better and 575 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:41.000 I could think of it as not a terrible campy time. Yeah, 576 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.160 but this movie is just way too long. And oh 577 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.079 that makes so much sense that this. 578 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.960 Yeah, so that was the realization I had. 579 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:49.119 Now. 580 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:53.640 I The last time I saw this movie was sometime 581 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.480 in the early part of the nineteen nineties. WGN in 582 00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.880 Chicago had some kind of a Superman marathon. Yeah, and 583 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.319 that's that was the one and only time I've seen 584 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:06.200 the movie the whole way through, And and my recollection 585 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:07.759 was always like it was about an hour and a 586 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:11.039 half ish, So I hit play on this. I'm like 587 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.160 two hours in four minute? What the hell? You know? 588 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:15.880 And then like you I did digging enough. 589 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:19.720 I'm sorry this woman, I'm like, why are we what 590 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.599 is happening? And why are we spending time on this? Yeah, 591 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.119 where she's spinning around? Sorry? 592 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:27.880 Yes, yes, yeah, it's it's a chance for Peter Cook 593 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.680 to vamp and you know, he's kind of a fun 594 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.680 comic actor. And and I'm assuming it was one of 595 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.519 those things that they shot, uh, not expecting to make 596 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:43.000 it into the final cut. What's what's weird is that Yeah, 597 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:51.160 that's gross right there, It's it's so weird. Yeah, so 598 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:53.640 Selena is using her witch powers to like make her 599 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:59.000 spin around after she ate like a scorpion. I think 600 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:03.359 that oftentimes you'll have a movie that's short and you'll 601 00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.960 be like, you know, this is just a wet part 602 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.000 of a thing. But it's because they cut all this 603 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.799 stuff out right, right, And so that's like the legend 604 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.319 that springs up, you know. So you know, whether we're 605 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.440 talking about Joel Schumacher's Batman Forever or even you know 606 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.240 Superman four, which famously they cut like forty minutes out 607 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:28.039 of that. Well, what we're seeing now is I suppose 608 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:32.039 close to a director's cut, and it's like, no, this 609 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.039 movie desperately needed to not have all of this stuff 610 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:39.279 in it. Yeah yeah, right, But then you see the 611 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.400 theatrical cut also is a mess, and so you're like, oh, 612 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.319 well this is just a mess no matter what. Yeah. Interesting, right, 613 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.200 And and the thing is that you know we were 614 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:50.920 talking about the budget. I mean they had a million 615 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.000 dollars to spend on that opening title season. It's because 616 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.000 they had thirty five million dollars. 617 00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.119 That is, there's no excuse, there's no excuse thirty five 618 00:33:59.319 --> 00:33:59.960 million dollars. 619 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:05.720 That's that is a substantial chunk of change in nineteen 620 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:09.559 eighty four. And so on the one hand, you're like, well, 621 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.519 they weren't. They weren't low balling this thing. They weren't like, oh, 622 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.400 it's a girl movie, let's spend less. No. 623 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.719 No, they they put the money into it. By the way, 624 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:20.760 I just out of curiosity. Because Back to the Future 625 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.159 came out a year later. That budget was fourteen million. 626 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:29.079 There you go. Anyway, No, And I think that's that's 627 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:34.800 relevant because clearly they were trying to spend Superman esque money. Sure, 628 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:42.400 and so good, right, Like that's you know, but yet 629 00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.280 you have you have a movie that manages to neatly 630 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.320 evade all of the stuff that people tended to enjoy 631 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:54.639 about those Superman movies. So here to your point, she 632 00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:58.559 is on the clock, Carra, but she's like, let me 633 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:03.480 just blame in with these school girls and just like 634 00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:05.320 see how how things are here. 635 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.000 I just wish, you know, that moment when she's looking 636 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:14.000 at the lake earlier, that sort of golden shot she 637 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.519 puts her hands on her hips. I almost wish they 638 00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:19.320 had even eighty yards something like I will get back 639 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.000 to you, I promise or something, you know. So we 640 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:26.440 know that that is her goal and first act. So 641 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:31.840 but there's like a lack a daisical feel to all, 642 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.679 even just this shot of her slowly going upstairs, like 643 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:36.800 just it almost feels like, Okay, I got a blend 644 00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.400 in because I've got to exist here somehow before I 645 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.440 figure out how I can go back. There's no urgency, 646 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:44.679 you know, I I think. 647 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:50.360 So as originally written, a Superman meets her when she 648 00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.400 arrives on Earth. By the way, is we talked right 649 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.840 past this. But when she arrives on Earth, she emerges 650 00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.400 from that cocoon wearing a Superman costume. 651 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.880 Actually, I yeah, I have and down and I was 652 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:03.039 like whatever, I just yeah, yeah. 653 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.559 Yeah, let's you know, my daughter who's nine, she's like, wait, 654 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:07.960 how does she have a costume? 655 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.360 Right? So, well it happens she's in the pod wearing 656 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.239 her robes. 657 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.239 Yeah, but then we cut back to her and she's 658 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.440 got a Superman cost Immediately, yes, all of a sudden, 659 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.280 she and I don't even think she reacts to it. Right. 660 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.960 So now now this right here, this like usual suspects 661 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:26.159 thing where she like pulls the name. Yes, I I 662 00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.679 My only thought is, first of all, she should have 663 00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:34.039 been like, my name is Robert Lee, you know, because 664 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.320 I'm like Linda, Like where did she get Linda from? 665 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:36.559 Right? 666 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:38.360 That's true, Yeah, But the. 667 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.679 Other thing she's she's either like completely unfamiliar with our 668 00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:45.519 ways and customs or she knows enough to like type 669 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.679 up a recommendation letter and slip it into his his 670 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:56.159 file under the proper like alphabetically organized. 671 00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:58.360 That's what I loved is when he reads it out loud, 672 00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:02.239 thinking about her typing that out like about herself. 673 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.880 Right, So so as written, uh, Superman is there, and 674 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.480 I don't I've seen like the page of when Superman 675 00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:13.880 meets her, so I don't know how he would have 676 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.320 found out she was coming or whatever. But but I thought, 677 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:20.079 you know, you have Superman basically saying you know, you 678 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.199 have to be careful how you use your powers, and 679 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.079 he says something to the effect of like don't fall 680 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.079 in love because you know it's not going to be 681 00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.599 fair to you or the other person, and and the 682 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.559 the writing it was very like boilerplate. But I've I 683 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.119 was like, well, Chris Reeve could have made this into 684 00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.559 something interesting. Chris Reeve was coming off of Superman three, 685 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:43.679 and I think he wanted nothing more to do with 686 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:48.039 Superman at that point. That's that's so sad. It really is, 687 00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:52.840 because because I think I think he would have elevated 688 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.039 this movie. But I also think if he shows up 689 00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.039 at the beginning when she's arrives and then he's like 690 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:00.679 got to go and then comes back at the end, 691 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:02.559 I think people might have been like, well, we're Superman, 692 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:02.880 you know. 693 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.039 Yeah, Oh totally. Wait. By the way, did you see 694 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.880 that A and W soda machine that Yeah, one of 695 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.760 the truck drivers was wearing an A and W T shirt. 696 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.039 There there you go. There, there, there's the kind of 697 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.880 product placement ANW I'm sure I was hoping for. 698 00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:19.920 Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, let's put it on the gross 699 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:23.880 guy who feels up Kara. Yes, she's super gross. 700 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.519 And so so my point is, I think by not 701 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:32.000 having Superman be like, listen while you're here, you got 702 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:33.679 to blend in or something like, just give her that 703 00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:36.480 little nudge her and the audience the nudge in that 704 00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:42.719 direction to make this make sense. Yeah, but otherwise it's like, Wow, 705 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.960 she's Clark Kent's cousin, and look, it's Lois Lane's sister 706 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.360 who's dating Jimmy Olsen. I'm like, what are there like 707 00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.719 eight people in this universe? I know, I know, you know. 708 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:59.360 Yeah, she's got she's doing the alternate ego thing. She 709 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.079 looks up wide eyed and sweet and yeah she does 710 00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.320 do that really well, she does. I did write down 711 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.039 though she does a unlike some of the other actors, 712 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:11.880 she is doing kind of an old school acting style 713 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.280 interest a little bit, even as Supergirl, where it's like 714 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.400 a well that be swell real swell, you know, that 715 00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:21.800 kind of older school, sort of fifties kind of thing. 716 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:23.440 I thought that was interesting. I don't know if that 717 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:26.519 dress that was to convey innocence or something. Maybe that's 718 00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:27.360 the director thought. 719 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:27.920 I don't know, but. 720 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:39.960 She makes it endearing. I'll say yes later. So, wait, 721 00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:41.800 is this a college or a high school, like a 722 00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:42.599 boarding school. 723 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:46.239 Kind of stuff. It's a high school, okay, which that okay, 724 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:48.559 So there's a whole separate conversation we're about to have 725 00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:54.039 about the ground keeper. Yeah, exactly, like which the movie 726 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.360 doesn't want to address at all. Yeah. 727 00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.079 I did look it up out of curiosity. He was 728 00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:02.159 twenty seven Heartbox. Yeah, okay, which, by the way, I 729 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.920 didn't even realize it was him until he I think 730 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.719 when he opened his mouth and of course you see 731 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.760 that and he's like Selena Booby yea, but yeah, because 732 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:14.679 I mean he does look kind of like generic eighties 733 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.920 hunk guy. Yeah, and then when he opens his mouth 734 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:18.159 and he's got the smile, I was. 735 00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:20.599 Like, wait a minute, the smile. Yeah, I know, that 736 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:21.639 shit eating grin. 737 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:23.960 Yeah, but it's kind of interesting. 738 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:24.360 See. 739 00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:27.400 Yeah, he plays such a wormy guy die Hard. Yeah, 740 00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.159 and here he's like the stud. 741 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.239 It is just four years later. 742 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:34.360 Yeah, he is studeley in this though. Got to give 743 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:34.679 him that. 744 00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.079 It's what I read is that Elias Hall kind of 745 00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:43.639 wanted Peter Gallagher for that part. Interesting and and I 746 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.679 can certainly see that. I think I don't think any 747 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:51.039 any actor could have made that role really work. Real quick, 748 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:53.000 I want to mention here. So so this poster is 749 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:56.519 obviously all we we get of Chris Reeve explicitly in 750 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.159 this film. I love how Jerry Goldsmith brings in the 751 00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:06.719 John Williams Superman music. And you know, famously, initially Richard 752 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.480 Donner wanted Jerry Goldsmith to do the music for the 753 00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:12.199 for the first film. Oh interesting, right, because he had 754 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.800 worked with him on the Omen and what happened is 755 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.480 that just the movie, just the schedule kept getting pushed 756 00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:21.239 and pushed. So Goldsmith was available, then he wasn't available, 757 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.480 so they had to settle for John Williams. 758 00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.840 Post Star Wars. Yeah you didn't they know? 759 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.119 And Jaws. Yeah, no, I mean it was it was 760 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:32.800 one of those things where it was like, well, we 761 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:34.519 lost this guy, but we got this guy too, so 762 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:38.400 it worked out well either way. Sure. Sure, but Goldsmith's 763 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:42.039 Supergirl theme, I think you sort of get maybe a 764 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.440 window into what his Superman music might have been. Like, 765 00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:48.159 you know, I think, as I said earlier, he gives 766 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:50.360 more than the movie deserves, just in terms of the 767 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:55.320 energy of his of his score. Yeah, and you know, 768 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:57.519 we're talking about coincidence real quick, but I know, to 769 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.960 mention Peter Cook, Nigel also so happens to be the 770 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:04.840 math teacher at this school, so he is a Warlock 771 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.599 slash math teacher. 772 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:11.199 That's right, that's right. Yeah, you think you'd be working 773 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.800 in science or something and he'd be yeah, off crazy 774 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.320 chemical reactions or that's really funny. 775 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.440 Now, this, by the way, part of the reason we 776 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:29.039 have Beyonca like shuttling Selena around is that, uh, fade 777 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.679 done Away would just kind of show up whenever, and 778 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.760 so out of frustration, they basically just shot them separately, 779 00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:42.519 so that like there were times when she's just fade 780 00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:44.480 done Away hasn't shown up. Okay, well let's just get 781 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.079 get Beyonca's coverage. 782 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:52.719 Well that's good directing. I'll say that. By the way, 783 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:54.880 this bothered me last night, but I didn't rewind it. 784 00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:59.079 So when Backner is sawing it that tree, he's sawing 785 00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:03.800 between like a y intersection in the tree, but then 786 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:08.840 he pulls a branch off that's behind the tree, I 787 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.239 was like, what why is he sawing that tree in half? 788 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:20.920 And then anyway, never mind, it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter. 789 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:27.480 So here's the thing. So Selena, she sees Ethan Hart Backner, 790 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.880 you know, the grounds keeper, and she's like, I have 791 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.239 to create a spell to make him fall in love 792 00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.199 with me. And I'm like, well, I mean your fate 793 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.960 done away, You're you're like a sexy older lady, right 794 00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:48.280 like right, like like just seduce him. Try that first, 795 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:52.960 and maybe she's you know, offended. Before we jump to 796 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:54.599 Eye of Newt and all that shit. 797 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.559 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right, which, by the way, I 798 00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:01.039 always find that stuff kind of annoying in superhero movies, 799 00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.199 where it's just like, yeah, she's like a witch, like 800 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.360 a witch that's so like generic, you know what I mean, 801 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:11.440 and like earth Bound sort of like yeah, I know 802 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.280 what a witch is that they're in fairy tales and 803 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:15.599 things like. You couldn't come up with something more specific 804 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:18.079 to this that feels otherworldly and sci fi and fun, 805 00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.400 Like it just feels so right off the bat when 806 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.239 I saw she was a witch, I was like, oh really, 807 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:22.719 Like well, it. 808 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:27.360 Really does to me. Feel like the people make in 809 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.599 the movie were like, oh, what's something girly? 810 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:38.039 Sure? Oh interesting, okay, you know interesting? Yeah, you're probably right, yeah, because. 811 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:44.079 The opportunity, honestly, is to make this Omegahedron something that 812 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:50.199 you know, the evil Kryptonians are after, or evil space 813 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:55.400 aliens or something, and so once it's free and clear 814 00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:59.800 from Argo, it's being tracked to Earth by somebody else 815 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.079 mm hmm. Or again, if you want to do this 816 00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:09.039 this this character, then have it be something that they 817 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.880 become aware of and everybody's going after it. 818 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:17.079 Yeah, excuse me, like where she Yeah, yeah, make her 819 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:21.719 like an ordinary person who has you know, bad instincts 820 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.400 exactly and suddenly comes into this other worldly power that 821 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:26.400 feels less silly to me. 822 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:31.239 Yeah. I think that's that's the problem. Is there's this 823 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:35.239 this happenstance of oh it happened to land, you know, 824 00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.920 just a few feet from from the most evil person 825 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.840 on Earth, and all these people just happen to all 826 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:45.480 be you know, in this this suburb of Chicago, this. 827 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:47.039 Warlock math teacher. 828 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:51.239 Right. Yeah. But of these two bullies here there, I 829 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.920 call them Bulk and Skull from Power Rangers. 830 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.559 And all those two. Yes, yes, they're. 831 00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:01.360 Just going around being horrible for like no reason. Yeah. 832 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.559 At one point, like later, when they're they're messing with 833 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:08.320 the the shower, they're like I want to burn the 834 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.599 flesh off their bones or some freaking psych I know. 835 00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.119 I was like, that's strange, and it's a weird because 836 00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:22.920 we we didn't get something earlier. Like Lucy Lane is 837 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:26.000 defending somebody that they're picking on her like some reason 838 00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:27.400 that they would have it out for her. 839 00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:34.760 On Yep, yep. It's just yeah, no motivations. They just 840 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:36.960 know there needs to be a bully so she can 841 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.000 have this moment. 842 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:41.039 Like you have the scene where they're picking on Kara 843 00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:44.280 for some reason and Lucy is like, hey, back off, 844 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.760 that's your setup. And then you get to the you 845 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:50.280 know whatever, like oh, I get her with the with 846 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:55.960 the ball, the the hockey ball, which like if it shattered, 847 00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.440 like if it turned to dust on Carra's back, like 848 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:00.960 how did you hit that? 849 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:05.440 I know, I know, but you know what's bothering me 850 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.159 about that? I wrote it down. I was like, why 851 00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:11.360 are you playing lacrosse? Your world is dying because everybody. 852 00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:13.440 Needs a break occasionally, okay. 853 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.119 But I was like, you could fix that, where she's like, okay, 854 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:18.840 I've got to like get all right, I've blended in. 855 00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:20.960 I've got a cover story. I've got to get down. 856 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.519 I need to leave this campus and go try to 857 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.679 find that power ball thing, right, And someone's like no, no, no, 858 00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:28.760 come on, like we're late. She's like for what the 859 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.239 game and no, no, no, you don't have time. And then 860 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.159 you push her into the game so you get some 861 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.440 sense of urgency and then you can still have the 862 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:41.159 fun of her playing the game and the ball blowing 863 00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:42.320 up on her back and all. 864 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.079 You know, okay, so now do that with her absent 865 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.159 mandedly putting on a bra over her clothes. 866 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.159 George Lucas was right, there are no bras in space. 867 00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.400 I could just picture him at a screening room watching this, 868 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:00.400 like see it to hold you. 869 00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:08.280 It's really funny. So Jenno Swark, as we said, who 870 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:12.519 directed this film. He he had previously had had success 871 00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:17.320 with Jaws two, and he before this, he did Somewhere 872 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.400 in Time, which starred h Christopher Reeve and Jane Seymour. Okay, 873 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:29.119 so I think Christopher Reeve recommended him to the Saul Kinds. Okay, uh, 874 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.320 stuffing her p yeah, which again, you know, I'm glad 875 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:38.440 Kara doesn't have anything pressing in her life to worry about. See, 876 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:43.320 this whole human identity sequence only works if she has 877 00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:45.639 Superman being like you need to blend in. 878 00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:49.920 Yeah, because otherwise, yeah, why would she do that at all? 879 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.039 She would just if she's as naive as she comes 880 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.559 across initially, she would just go straight to work. 881 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:57.119 Yeah. Well, and and this is the thing, right, Like 882 00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.599 because the movie starts with her. That's the other thing, right, 883 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.360 Like she knows that Superman is on Earth because she 884 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:04.559 talks to his altar. She's like, oh, yeah, the Earth 885 00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:09.239 where my cousin is right, and so I'm like, well, 886 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.719 what how much knowledge does she have, like because she 887 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.360 knows he's Clark Kent and all that. So I'm like, 888 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.159 is he sending is he like mister Belvidere, like writing 889 00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:23.239 letters to Argo? You know what I mean? The Ewans family. 890 00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:28.760 You know that's Clark pan over woman in a bikini. 891 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:33.119 You know, it's like every episode of Mister Belvidere. I 892 00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:33.880 forgot of it. 893 00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:34.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 894 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.679 I on the other hand, I'm doing other things. You know, 895 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:43.079 he like lights a cigar and then that's my broad 896 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.920 recollection of every Mister Belvidere episode. 897 00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:49.280 By the way, I thought about that baseball stadium, I 898 00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.000 was like, well, that's not rigly because they didn't have 899 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.960 lights till eighty eight. We look at that could be kamisky. 900 00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:57.679 But oh and then, by the way, I was curious 901 00:49:57.679 --> 00:49:59.320 what was playing on that drive in screen, and it's 902 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:03.920 Psycho two. Psycho Too, just a relatively recent film, and 903 00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:05.400 I wonder if that was just something, you know, the 904 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.840 b Roll helicopter picked up, like just to drive through 905 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.360 playing Psycho Too because it was nineteen eighty three or whatever. 906 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:13.880 It is cool to see the Chicago Skyline circa nineteen 907 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:19.719 eighty two three. Very cool. Yeah, and so I remember 908 00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:23.880 this VHX VHS box from when I was a kid, 909 00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:26.119 and I remember her flying past the Statue of Liberty. 910 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.280 So when I saw her flying over Chicago in this movie, 911 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.440 I thought, huh. So, I don't know if they just thought, 912 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.960 you know, it's more maybe creates more of a link 913 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:38.599 to Superman to see her in Metropolis slash New York. 914 00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:40.719 Yeah, so yeah, I know the poster has her in 915 00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:42.320 front of the New York Skyline. Yeah. 916 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:43.760 Yeah, interesting. 917 00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.199 But yeah, so just just to put a pin on 918 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:48.960 my thought. Yeah, so I'm just like, is Clark just 919 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.559 sending you know, or like, what was that? I remember 920 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.559 on Fragle Rock uncle travelin Matt he would like send 921 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:58.599 letters back. You know what. I never have seen Frago Rock. Well, 922 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.800 there you go, Fragle Rock. You know you have the 923 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:03.840 main character Gobo and his uncle traveling Matt would be 924 00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:05.199 out in the world and he would send letters back 925 00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:06.519 about all the things he had seen. So I'm like, 926 00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:10.840 is he doing that? Is he sending letters to Argo City? Right? 927 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:13.119 Because because this is I'm like, if Clark knows that 928 00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:15.440 there are other Kryptonians out there, He's not just gonna 929 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.280 be like, all right, well y'all keep me posted, let 930 00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:18.079 me know write. 931 00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:21.480 Like that's true. It's his people, Yeah, so his home. 932 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:25.920 And maybe I'm overthinking, but I can't help it. I'm like, 933 00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.440 how much knowledge do the argo people have about Superman? 934 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.639 I don't think that's overthinking. I would just call that 935 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:41.119 thinking frankly. But yeah, then when he gets in this 936 00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.840 whole thing put a spider in a chestnuts shell, I 937 00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:45.000 was like, oh, what are we doing? 938 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.800 See, like, why not just have the omegahedron? Do that. 939 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:51.920 Exactly? 940 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.599 Exactly? Like you're creating this extra. 941 00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:00.000 Step one hundred percent. And maybe she has these great 942 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.960 and ambitions and thinks of herself higher than she actually is, 943 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:08.920 her status or something, and now that corrupt person mentally 944 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:12.320 has the power she did not have before to actually 945 00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.119 carry those things out exactly. That's way more interesting. 946 00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:22.079 I was thinking about heart Backner, how like, like again, 947 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:26.079 four years later, he's Ellis yeah and die Hard right 948 00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:29.440 and and heart Backner. I think he's had a decent career. 949 00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:31.920 I think, you know, a good character actor thing, but 950 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:37.480 like he had the fortune slash misfortune of playing such 951 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:41.079 an indelible character in this movie that just lives on 952 00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:41.519 and on. 953 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:47.639 Yeah, that like he is trapped as Harry Ellis. Yeah right, yeah, sure. 954 00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:49.280 Because you look at him in this and he's like 955 00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.079 a traditionally handsome you know, you could see him as 956 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.239 like a nineteen eighties or nineties leading man and like 957 00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:56.440 a television show or something. 958 00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.599 Totally Yeah, you know, it's funny. I actually got to 959 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.519 meet him because he had a small part in the 960 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.960 Christopher Guest movie For Your consideration. Oh nice, And so 961 00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.679 I don't remember why I saw him shoot, but then 962 00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:11.199 I had to go to he was directing something. Then 963 00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:13.400 I had to go to the editing offices where he was, 964 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.559 you know, with his editor, and he could not have 965 00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:20.800 been nicer. And he had no beard, and I was like, whoa. 966 00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:22.719 It was just weird for me because I didn't know 967 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:24.800 him from a lot of other things. It was so 968 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.000 seeing him here, Yeah, I was like, you know, you 969 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:31.199 take the beard away, and I don't know, obviously it's 970 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:34.000 the character he's playing too and diehardy, I mean over here. 971 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:37.079 He's doing like a Tony danzas slash Nick from Family 972 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:37.599 Ties thing. 973 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.079 Yeah, like a himbo sort of. 974 00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:39.840 Yeah. 975 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.840 Yeah, this is the first scene where I realized who 976 00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:44.920 he was, because I mean, it's a mistake. 977 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:48.440 Once he smiles, you're like, oh. 978 00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:52.039 Yeah, yeah, but he's just yeah, I wasn't used to 979 00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:54.199 him looking any other way. When I saw him without 980 00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:55.840 the beard and everything, Like you said, he got really 981 00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.280 locked into that character, I guess, unfortunately or. 982 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.199 Fortunately either way. Apropos of nothing. But speaking of Nick 983 00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:05.639 from Family Ties, Yeah, I forget that guy's name. I 984 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:09.199 forget his name, but anyway, he played the Superman villain 985 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.880 Metallo on Lewis and Clark. Oh, good friend, because I 986 00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:15.800 like my friend Michael Bailey, I can find a way 987 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:18.119 to connect most things back to Superman in some way shape. 988 00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:23.360 Yeah. So wait, did she summon him here? 989 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.440 Yes? Now, because Bianca says I saw his number on 990 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:30.039 his truck. 991 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:33.039 Oh that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah, and she came out 992 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:34.639 on that little toy choo choo train. 993 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.239 See this is the part I don't understand. Right, you 994 00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:42.159 have Fade done Away, and I think most men at 995 00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:45.719 this time, if Fade Dunaway starts seducing them, they would 996 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.199 probably be at least amenable, right right, right, right right. 997 00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:51.960 So I'm kind of like, what you do is you 998 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:57.760 bake in something like you know, she only looks pretty, 999 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.360 you know, when she's in her lair. If she leaves, 1000 00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:04.679 she looks like a horrible witch or something. You know, 1001 00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:08.719 some limitation that says, well, I can only use magic 1002 00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:09.559 to seduce. 1003 00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:14.480 This man or like not exactly this, but Uma Thurman 1004 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:18.360 and Batman for her, Batman and Robin where she's just 1005 00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:22.039 kind of frumpy and like, doesn't she has these ambitions, 1006 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.840 but she doesn't take care of herself outwards. Yes, the 1007 00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:27.880 projectile out of confidence. Then once she comes into this 1008 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:33.000 new ability, whatever confidence she had inside now shows on 1009 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:34.840 inside you there. 1010 00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:36.920 You know, as we're talking about that, I'm like, man, 1011 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:40.360 what a trope, right, Like we have seen so many 1012 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:44.159 versions of that, sure, right, like like Kristen wigg and 1013 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:47.480 Wonder Woman too. Oh that's right, yeah right, and even 1014 00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:50.320 I mean like that's Jamie Fox and Spider Man. 1015 00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.639 That's Jim Carrey, you know, yeah, and the previous Batman movie. 1016 00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:55.559 Yeah, it's right. 1017 00:55:57.159 --> 00:55:58.360 I don't know. It's still. 1018 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.320 Scott Valentine. By the way, that's the actor's name, Nick 1019 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:03.320 from from Family Ties. 1020 00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:08.679 Okay, Oh strangely that rings a bell. Yeah, yeah, he's. 1021 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:09.159 Great, is Nick? 1022 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:10.199 By the way, he was. 1023 00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:13.360 He was doing like a like a Tony Danza slash 1024 00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:14.440 Sylvester still own. 1025 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:15.719 Thing, right, Yeah, like. 1026 00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:20.039 Yeah, I'm an artist or whatever. 1027 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:22.400 Yeah, but like Heart of Gold, you couldn't Heart of 1028 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:24.400 Gold exactly help but love him. But he was like 1029 00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:26.280 a great foil for Alex. 1030 00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:28.960 That's the funny thing is when you watch that show, 1031 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:32.519 when you watch it now, you're like, well, Alex is 1032 00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:36.199 like being really cruel to this guy who he's like 1033 00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.480 an artist, Like he's not even like, uh, you know, 1034 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:43.519 some some blue collar guy that like, uh, Alex would 1035 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.480 necessarily look down his nose on you know. It's like 1036 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:50.400 he's just he seems like a sensitive soul who wants 1037 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:53.480 to create art. Right. But the show kind of makes 1038 00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:55.519 you like be like, I don't know by I like 1039 00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:58.239 Alex and his and his uh you know, three piece 1040 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:04.599 suits or whatever. Look at that she gives Nigel Acney 1041 00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:05.840 so strange. 1042 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:08.400 I know. 1043 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:11.480 His reaction to this is very funny because it feels 1044 00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:15.800 like something she's done before. M you know what I mean, 1045 00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:21.599 He's like, oh that bitch right the way he says it, 1046 00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:25.360 it's like again with this, you know, which, by the 1047 00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:27.639 way I read that, apparently they wanted Dudley more for 1048 00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:31.480 that role and more suggested Cook because they used to 1049 00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:34.679 be like a comedic duo. Yeah, and Peter Cook was 1050 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:40.880 in uh, What's the God damn it, What's the Devil movie? 1051 00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:43.159 Max Devlin? 1052 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:48.440 No, no, no, I remember they remade it with Brandon 1053 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.599 Fraser The Dazzle. Yeah yeah, yeah, So in the remake 1054 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:55.360 it's Elizabeth Hurley, but in the original it was Peter 1055 00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:56.199 Cook as the Devil. 1056 00:57:56.840 --> 00:58:02.039 Oh quite the glow up. Yeah, it's lucky our generation. 1057 00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:06.519 I never saw that. I wonder if I'm sure it's 1058 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.159 not great, but I wonder if it'd be like a good, 1059 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:10.760 dopey late nineties movie. 1060 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.440 Or something, the Brandon Fraser one. Yeah, Harold Reimis directed that. 1061 00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:18.480 Really, I remembered existing, and that's I just. 1062 00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:20.159 Never saw it. I'm with you. I saw the trailers. 1063 00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:21.199 Yeah, same. 1064 00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:22.239 Yeah. 1065 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:24.079 I also, as long as we're talking about casting, I 1066 00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:26.960 read that they wanted Dolly Parton really badly for Selene. 1067 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:29.159 Yeah, for Selena, which. 1068 00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:34.000 I kind of see. I mean, like her fun she 1069 00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:35.360 would bring a fun camp to. 1070 00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:39.280 It for sure. Yeah. I think I think Dolly was like, 1071 00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:44.079 I'm not doing anything Witchcraft related. Yeah, yeah, which kind 1072 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.239 of given her brand, that makes sense. Totally. And again 1073 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:50.599 like I I think, I think, I think Faye Dunaway 1074 00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:52.480 was a solid choice in terms of what they were 1075 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:53.000 trying to do. 1076 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:57.119 Mm mmm, yeah, she's not doing anything wrong. I think 1077 00:58:57.159 --> 00:58:58.880 everything we've said, like if we could just tweak this 1078 00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:01.000 character a little bit, this it it comes down to 1079 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:01.519 the script. 1080 00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:07.880 The character as conceived is is a problem. But you know, 1081 00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.800 in terms of if you're trying to emulate the Superman template, 1082 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:14.480 then Faye Dunaway is at least as value added as 1083 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:17.119 you know Gene Hackman, right right, you know. 1084 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:20.519 Who were both in Bonnie and Clyde. 1085 00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:21.760 That's right. 1086 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:27.480 Yeah, This poor guy Backner just like he's like a 1087 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:29.320 pawn in this game. He doesn't understand. 1088 00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:33.280 Yeah, no, I get it. I've been there. Man. 1089 00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:36.159 I actually felt really bad for him in this scene where 1090 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:37.880 everyone's just driving around him. 1091 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:40.880 Like hey, idiot, idiot. Nobody's like, hey, man, are you okay? 1092 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.000 Like like him to the curb, you know. 1093 00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:45.559 I was like, doesn't that just sum up humanity? And 1094 00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:48.639 later too, when cars with her friends and they're like, oh, 1095 00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:49.719 he's probably on drugs. 1096 00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:54.920 Yeah, it's so funny because because they see him wandering 1097 00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:58.639 around almost getting hit by cars and then they and 1098 00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:00.400 then the next time we see them, they're just in 1099 01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:02.320 here again in the Popeye is eating. 1100 01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.119 I think we actually see them turn around and go 1101 01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:09.519 back in the restaurant and he's like, they're the good guys. 1102 01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:10.320 The good guys. 1103 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:16.000 So so, how old was Mark McClure in this twenty seven? 1104 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:18.679 Twenty seven? And he's just about to shoot back to 1105 01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:22.239 the Future and that's crazy. He's in between Superman three 1106 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:26.159 and Back to the Future one, And he said himself 1107 01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:27.679 like he I mean, basically, they're like, hey, you want 1108 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:30.440 to do this? He's like, okay, you know sure, And 1109 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.760 even he was like, I don't know what I'm doing here? 1110 01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:34.800 Oh really? 1111 01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:39.440 Yeah, because like at one point he even said to 1112 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:43.039 his work he's like, hey, should shouldn't I like mention Superman? 1113 01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:45.719 And they're like, no, no, this is like super Girl's movie. 1114 01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.480 This is some thing. And he's like, well, why am 1115 01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:48.000 I here that? 1116 01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:48.440 You know? 1117 01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:49.360 Right? Right? 1118 01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:54.519 So he's dating this that's me. That's what I'm not understanding. 1119 01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.039 I'm like, how old is Jimmy Olsen supposed to be? 1120 01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:01.199 Because it feels like Lucy is like sixteen by. 1121 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:02.239 The way, she's in her thirties. 1122 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:05.559 The actor, well, she she shows it well. 1123 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:07.960 But no, she looks great. I just I you know, 1124 01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:10.840 me in my session with googling everyone's ages, So I 1125 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:12.440 just I love how it's all over the place. It 1126 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.480 is because she's yeah, she's I want to say, like 1127 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:18.360 early thirties, and then Kara is eighteen or something when 1128 01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:21.679 she's shooting this, and yeah, it's yeah. But there he 1129 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:25.360 looks like he looks like he's twenty seven to me, 1130 01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:28.000 like absolutely, And I'm sure he's supposed to be twenty 1131 01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:34.639 one or something sight yeah, I I. 1132 01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:36.679 Mean is he is he supposed to be a teenager? 1133 01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.480 Here at this point, I don't even wait. 1134 01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:40.039 By the way, I have to call this out. Sorry. 1135 01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.719 I noticed there was so much tailand All product placement 1136 01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.519 in this. There's a big billboard for tailand All and 1137 01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:48.280 earlier we see the headmaster or whatever, the principal of 1138 01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:51.440 the school, like, you know, holding a Tailan All bottle 1139 01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:55.559 directly at camera, you know. And I was like, and 1140 01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.159 then I thought, wasn't like the tailand All murders in 1141 01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:02.880 the eighties, Like when was that? And I looked it 1142 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:06.199 up and it was two years before this, when in 1143 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.119 the Chicago Land area there was someone who was putting cyanide, 1144 01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:11.800 cracking open tail and all bottles and putting cyanide inside, 1145 01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:14.519 and people were dying taking tail and al. So I 1146 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.320 was like, oh, that makes so much sense. Thailand All 1147 01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:22.800 needed some brand rehabilitation, so apparently. But yeah, I'm like, 1148 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:25.079 maybe that's why they're so prominently featured in this movie, Like, 1149 01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:27.760 please put Thailand All everywhere. Everyone takes Tilan All in 1150 01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:29.119 the Superman universe. 1151 01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:30.280 Fascinating. 1152 01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:33.079 Yeah, which, by the way, if people don't know that story, 1153 01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:37.000 that's what led to the protective packaging we have now 1154 01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:39.719 on Thailan All with like the little cotton and the 1155 01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:43.280 foil seal on top. It's because of the poisoning that happened. 1156 01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.079 Yeah. Really, I remember the Russell Crowe character and the 1157 01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:47.159 Insider talks about that. 1158 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:48.960 Oh yeah. 1159 01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:54.800 I love the POV from the tractor as it's going 1160 01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:58.000 after Ethan. It's it's just for some reason, it's it's 1161 01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:01.719 very film student e to me, you know what I mean. 1162 01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:03.199 It's one of those shots that you get and you're 1163 01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:05.280 so excited about that's. 1164 01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:09.360 A really great yeah, yeah example now, and it looks 1165 01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:11.360 a little silly, you know, yeah. 1166 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:17.920 See, but again, it's like the way in which this 1167 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:21.960 is all happening is very funny to me because he 1168 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.480 should run a lot faster. I mean, I know he's 1169 01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:28.079 like under a spell. Yeah, but also like people are 1170 01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:33.119 just standing around. Nobody's doing anything. I know, they're just like, hey, 1171 01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:35.519 there's a tractor that's just driving itself. 1172 01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:44.880 Anyway, Yeah, I my brain. So I did have a 1173 01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:46.920 thought where I was like, Okay, so the whole reason 1174 01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:49.639 this town is getting destroyed is because this woman wants 1175 01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:53.559 this guy, yeah that she doesn't know because he's cute, 1176 01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:58.119 That's right. And then I also wrote down this set 1177 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:03.800 piece should be ten minutes instead it's thirty. And then 1178 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:06.639 I looked it up and it took twenty two days 1179 01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:09.880 to shoot just the sequence, just the sequence. 1180 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:10.519 Good lord. 1181 01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:13.400 I was like, wow, I don't know, although I would 1182 01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.840 say this is the big set piece of the movie. 1183 01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:18.000 Really I was just thinking. I was like, I was like, 1184 01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:22.000 this is like the big the big action highlight quote unquote. 1185 01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:25.480 Yeah. And this whole city was built on a backlot, 1186 01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:28.320 which I did think about, Oh wow, they're destroying some buildings. 1187 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:30.960 Was that a building that they the city had planned 1188 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:33.280 to tear down? But this is all backlot looks pretty good. 1189 01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:33.800 It's impressive. 1190 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.360 Its looks like a real you know, small town city 1191 01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:40.400 strip and props for that. Yeah, here we But now 1192 01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:41.480 she's finally doing something. 1193 01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:44.079 Yeah. So I look at this and I'm like, well, 1194 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.079 it's cool to give Lucy Lane kind of the same 1195 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:48.000 spunk as her sister. 1196 01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:50.639 I think that's good, totally oh good call. Yeah. 1197 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:54.519 Uh. Although I was like, I like Jimmy, I was like, 1198 01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:59.159 this should have been Jimmy's moment to be somewhat heroic, sure, 1199 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.360 or at least try to be heroic, right, because all 1200 01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:05.440 he all you see him doing is taking pictures and 1201 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:07.079 and I don't know. I was like, all I'm saying 1202 01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:08.599 is if I was Mark McClure, maybe I would have 1203 01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:12.199 pushed the harder, be like, hey, like, give me something 1204 01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:14.960 to do some not just standing around doing this, you know. 1205 01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:17.559 But to your point, I do like that it's Lucy 1206 01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:19.039 who steps up and does something. 1207 01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:21.239 Although the way she gets knocked out there is like 1208 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:27.679 really friggin stupid. Yeah, I'm like, wait, what happened? That's 1209 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.119 where you get your your your your you know, second 1210 01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:31.960 unit and see a piece of debris fall on her 1211 01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:33.039 head or something, right. 1212 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.119 Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Although a lot I gotta give it like, 1213 01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:38.360 the choreography of all this is pretty impressive. 1214 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:39.400 I agree, And. 1215 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.760 You got the giant tire rolling down the street. 1216 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.320 Although you know what's interesting is that they they offered 1217 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:49.079 the directing gig to Richard Lester, who did Superman two 1218 01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:51.360 and three. He turned it down. Uh, they offered it 1219 01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:53.960 to Robert Why is he of You know, he did 1220 01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:55.960 Star Trek the motion picture before that, he did like 1221 01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:58.559 Sound of Music and The Day of the Earth. Still, 1222 01:05:58.559 --> 01:05:59.760 I don't know why they thought he would want to 1223 01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:04.079 do this. But you know, for all of what I've 1224 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:09.039 said before about about Lester and sort of his the 1225 01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:12.880 comedic way he tended to interpret the Superman universe, I 1226 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.119 couldn't help but watch this and be literally I was like, 1227 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.320 I think Richard Lester would have done a better job 1228 01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:17.480 with this. 1229 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.480 I read that also and thought, oh, he would have 1230 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:21.880 been perfect, right. 1231 01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:23.199 Yeah. 1232 01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:25.800 The stuff that he brings to two that people don't 1233 01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:28.119 like is what would have made this movie sing a 1234 01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:31.880 little better. I agree, Yeah, yeah. 1235 01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:33.639 You know, because like like that whole sequence at the 1236 01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:37.960 end where the villains are like blowing their super breadth 1237 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.760 at Metropolis and everything's just gone haywire. This needed a 1238 01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:42.320 little bit of. 1239 01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:46.239 That yeah, you know, yeah, I love the way by 1240 01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:47.639 the way that I thought she was going to use 1241 01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:50.480 her laser vision to open up that water tower, and 1242 01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:52.039 I love that she just flies through it. I thought 1243 01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:56.440 that was cool. Yeah, I mean, I can see why 1244 01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:58.599 this took so long to shoot. Look at all this coverage, 1245 01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:00.760 all these But. 1246 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:06.480 That's what's frustrating is that this sequence really doesn't amount 1247 01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:13.639 to much because the only goal is to have Ethan 1248 01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:17.800 set eyes on Yahara right and fall in love with her, 1249 01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:20.320 And so we've been on this like ten twelve minute 1250 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.400 journey just for that. 1251 01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:24.400 That's a great point, which is a shame, because I 1252 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:27.599 do think this is an impressive sequence. Yeah, it's too bad. 1253 01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:31.119 Yeah, it doesn't mean more necessarily or. 1254 01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:33.679 For me, it was just striking me how ridiculous it 1255 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.440 was that this woman was destroying the city just over 1256 01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:36.880 this guy. 1257 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:41.440 Yeah. And well, and what we see later is like, 1258 01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:46.800 you know, you've got people like protesting her. Yes, So 1259 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.239 I'm like, so do they know about her from before? 1260 01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:52.280 Like they're like, oh, it's that witch I lives down 1261 01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:52.639 the road. 1262 01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:54.920 I wondered if I had missed a few things. I 1263 01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:57.239 actually went on the Wikipedia page afterwards and read the 1264 01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:00.519 plot just to make sure I understood it and I 1265 01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:03.719 didn't remember that she had turned herself into some sort 1266 01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:05.280 of princess or something. 1267 01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:11.159 Yeah, but I love this here where fay Dna is like, 1268 01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:14.239 don't look at her, don't look at her. I know. 1269 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:21.760 Yeah, I love the light on the eyes though. I 1270 01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:27.600 always love that shot. Uh So wait, okay, so he 1271 01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:30.079 it's the first person he lays eyes on, right, and 1272 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:34.000 so he has stumbled out of that carnival and did 1273 01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:36.399 not make eye contact with Yeah. 1274 01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:39.439 I think the idea is that he drinks the potion 1275 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:45.119 and he's all and then she's once it wears off 1276 01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:46.119 the first person that he. 1277 01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:52.520 Sees, Okay, and that's why she's desperately trying to capture 1278 01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:53.399 him and bring him back. 1279 01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:55.439 So yeah, because the idea was that he would have 1280 01:08:55.520 --> 01:09:00.119 passed out in her home, her you know who, her 1281 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:03.680 Halloween amusement park home that she lives in. 1282 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:04.199 Yeah. 1283 01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:06.920 Yeah, and then he would wake up and he would 1284 01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:09.119 see her right, and he would love her for a day. 1285 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:10.039 But that's the other thing. 1286 01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:13.840 It's a day that I I was made clear to 1287 01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:15.600 me in the Wikipedia article. I was like, wait a minute, 1288 01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:17.319 I don't I don't remember that. 1289 01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:20.880 All of us for a day. Yeah, one day of 1290 01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:23.039 like the best sex he's ever had or she's ever 1291 01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:25.520 had or somebody, right, I guess. 1292 01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:27.640 And she's got to find another spider and she can 1293 01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:34.439 just do it again. I guess. It's so weird. The 1294 01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:38.359 carnival thing. What is that Joker? What is that graphic 1295 01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:39.920 novel where Joker lives at a carnival? 1296 01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:44.920 Yeah, the killing Joke, Killing Joke? Yeah. Yeah. And also 1297 01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.399 in the Mask of the Phantasm. 1298 01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:49.880 Oh you know what, that's what I was actually thinking of. 1299 01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:53.359 Which also features the voice of Hart Backner. 1300 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:59.760 Oh yeah, look at that. Huh. It's kind of funny 1301 01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:00.960 that car. I was like sort of down for the 1302 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.199 kiss though, like, Okay, He's like I love you, and 1303 01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:07.039 she's like, what are you talking about? He kisses her 1304 01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:12.039 and she's like eh. 1305 01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:14.880 This is the other thing is that they keep calling 1306 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:19.520 Carr the wimp. Yeah, And I'm like, it's just the 1307 01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:23.199 whole construct is just very odd, like like, you know, 1308 01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:26.079 Fade Dunaway is in competition with this high school girl 1309 01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:30.560 and it's just like that wimp. It's a strange thing 1310 01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:31.239 to call, right. 1311 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:31.640 Like, I. 1312 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:34.920 Don't know, man, I don't know. 1313 01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:42.399 I guess Fade Dunaway was a little difficult too. On 1314 01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:46.520 well you mentioned that earlier, but they even thought about 1315 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:49.159 possibly replacing her at some point with until in Houston 1316 01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:49.720 I read. 1317 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.359 Who would go on to play a witch in The Witches? 1318 01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:57.039 Witches? Yeah, I was like, you know, I kind of 1319 01:10:57.039 --> 01:10:59.640 see it. She played a witch in the one of 1320 01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:00.760 the EU movies. 1321 01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:03.279 Too, Angelica Houston. 1322 01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.079 Yeah, right, isn't it her? Oh? Wait? Am I confusing? 1323 01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:09.399 You know what I'm conflating. I'm conflating the Witches and 1324 01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:14.199 a similar black haired in Jelica Houston type. I think. 1325 01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:16.319 Okay, God, I mean I haven't the last time I 1326 01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:18.039 saw that UOK movies was the eighties. 1327 01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:21.039 You know what I really am. I think I'm mixing 1328 01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:23.960 up a shot and the poster from the Witches that 1329 01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:26.960 is from like a low angle. Wow, okay, melding together 1330 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:30.119 in my brain. That's because this is a commentary. I 1331 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.840 can't delete it. 1332 01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:37.079 That's great. You know we're human, hey, trade of thought. See, 1333 01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:42.640 doesn't this feel like this is like a comedy witch movie? 1334 01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:48.159 Yeah? That would actually kind of work then where she 1335 01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:51.439 likes the love spell of it all. Yeah, and just 1336 01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:56.079 you know, I don't know the Hubrists and whatever. Yeah, 1337 01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:59.279 a witch comedy that's so spot on, yes, but for 1338 01:11:59.359 --> 01:12:02.239 a super Girl movie is just like the stakes couldn't 1339 01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:02.680 be lower. 1340 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:07.520 That's that's the weird thing, right. I think the mistake 1341 01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:12.119 is in having an antagonist that's really not not connected 1342 01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:17.239 to Supergirl or her home, right. And I think again, 1343 01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:23.439 what you needed to do was have the Omegahdron followed 1344 01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:30.159 to Earth by by a malevolent race or person you know, 1345 01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:34.239 I don't know, a space pirate or something. Who's who who? 1346 01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:39.920 Who wants it? And maybe you even say something like 1347 01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:41.920 like when they're on Argo City, like, oh, you know 1348 01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:45.720 this omegahedron, it's our source of power, but it's also 1349 01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:50.159 being sought after by by X person or whatever, you know, 1350 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:53.119 something like that, you know what I mean. Yeah, totally 1351 01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:57.880 kind of a kind of a brainiac type force. 1352 01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:03.279 Yeah. By the way, I've read that that had mistress 1353 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:07.279 scene was not in the original version, that's right, And 1354 01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:10.319 I was like, that's exactly it. You don't let's go. Actually, 1355 01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:12.359 I just tapped my iPad and was like where are 1356 01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:17.359 we at? And it's like, let's go, let's go. We 1357 01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:20.640 don't need this. And she's going to kiss herself in 1358 01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:24.600 a mirror. Why, I mean, I get the google eyes 1359 01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:26.920 sort of thing, because it's probably, yeah, she's young, is 1360 01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:29.520 maybe her first kiss. I get, I get that, but 1361 01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:31.199 this just feels so sluggish. 1362 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:36.319 I think that it's very straightforward. What she needed to 1363 01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:40.680 do before she left Argo was have her little doodad 1364 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:44.600 on her wrist say you know, I have thirty six hours? 1365 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:48.479 Yeah yet, right, And then there's your Every so often 1366 01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:50.000 she can glance at her thing and be like, I'm 1367 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:51.119 running out of time, you know. 1368 01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:54.960 Yes, so I can completely buy that she might be 1369 01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:57.199 a little smitt and kitten here and like a little 1370 01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:00.359 lost in That totally makes sense. But then and that's 1371 01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:05.359 when exactly she looks down and perfect right, yes, yes. 1372 01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:08.560 Right, And you do that without even needing to sort 1373 01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:09.760 of cut back and forth, you know. 1374 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:10.359 Hm. 1375 01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:15.079 I like all this practical stuff. By the way, we're 1376 01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:17.560 seeing the trees ripped out of the ground and this this, 1377 01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:19.880 I don't even know how they did this. They collapse 1378 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:21.239 this little hill here. 1379 01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:29.199 That that's cool looking. Yeah, this was all shot on pinewood. Yeah, 1380 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:33.399 the big double seven stages, which is where they shot 1381 01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:39.880 you know, the first three Superman films. That that type 1382 01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:41.720 of stuff always bugs me when they do that, Like 1383 01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:45.640 instant change. They did that in the first Superman also, 1384 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:50.159 where he you know, he hears Lex Luthor's sum in him, Yeah, 1385 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:52.520 and he sneaks away and he jumps out the window 1386 01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:57.560 and then as he's falling, he just becomes Superman. And 1387 01:14:57.600 --> 01:14:59.640 I'm always like, well, why don't you just show like 1388 01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:02.760 just just even if you handwave it, just show him 1389 01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:04.800 changing at super speed or something. You know. 1390 01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:09.039 Yeah, yeah, it's funny because movies used to do that 1391 01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:11.319 more and they were like, hey, you get it. But 1392 01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:15.399 audiences have become so much more well, I wouldn't say 1393 01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:17.920 more sophisticated. You were probably wondering it as a kid. So 1394 01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:21.960 but now we can our voices are heard more often, 1395 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:23.880 and so they do have to explain things a little 1396 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:26.039 bit more right, less hand. 1397 01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:29.039 Wavy these days, and it's probably easier to depict it now. 1398 01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:34.960 That's a good point technology. So this whole this thing 1399 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:40.000 about her her fighting the Shadow Demon. As I was 1400 01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:41.439 watching it, I was like, well, this is kind of 1401 01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:43.119 silly how we don't see it, And then we see 1402 01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:44.319 it at the end and I was like, you know, 1403 01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:48.600 I wish we didn't see it. 1404 01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:53.680 It feels very ghostbuster Z. Yeah, like a puppet that's 1405 01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:56.159 someone someone who worked on Ghostbusters. It was like a 1406 01:15:56.199 --> 01:15:59.760 rejected demon dog design or something. 1407 01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:02.880 Now, in the last few months, you've been singing the 1408 01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:07.880 praise of hand drawn lightning animations. Yes, and I gotta 1409 01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:10.000 sing the praise. I love seeing it. 1410 01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:13.520 You know what I gotta say. There was a moment 1411 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:15.600 last night where I was looking down a little bit 1412 01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:19.439 and I was kind of, you know, on Wikipedia and 1413 01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:21.359 reading interviews and that sort of thing. And it was 1414 01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:23.520 during this moment I was sort of looking down and 1415 01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:25.560 then I looked up again and I saw the lightning. 1416 01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:28.680 I loved this at this It was this shot where 1417 01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:31.000 she holds it up, the thing and she's and I 1418 01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:33.319 was like, whoa, whoa, whoa oah, Brian, you should be 1419 01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:37.680 paying attention, truly, truly, because I just like the way 1420 01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:40.720 this looks. I like the light lighting of the scene. 1421 01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:43.479 I like the lightning of the scene. I like seeing 1422 01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:49.720 her do Supergirl stuff. Yep, yeah, yeah. 1423 01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:53.279 I think that you know, the character, the Supergirl character 1424 01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:55.760 in the comics up to this point. I think this 1425 01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:59.680 was a problem that DC was dealing with. I'm talking 1426 01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.199 about it in the eighties, is that you know, the 1427 01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:07.159 character was first introduced to what nineteen fifty nine, I 1428 01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:09.920 want to say, right, so she's about twenty five years 1429 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:12.199 old at this point, and I don't think she had 1430 01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:15.880 a take. She didn't have an identity other than being 1431 01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:20.840 the female equivalent of Superman, you know, right, and so 1432 01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:23.399 I think that's to some extent. And this is the 1433 01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:24.479 scene you're talking about. 1434 01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:27.079 Right, Oh, sorry, Yeah, I thought that was earlier. 1435 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:32.760 Yeah, I think they they hadn't fully defined the character, 1436 01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:34.520 and so you know, she struggled in terms of she 1437 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:37.920 had her own title for a little while, and then 1438 01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:40.319 that was canceled. And then right maybe about a year 1439 01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:42.600 or so before this movie came out, maybe an anticipation 1440 01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:46.119 of this movie, they started a new monthly series, but 1441 01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:49.479 they didn't really have a take because I think that 1442 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:54.680 her personality was not very defined. And so to the 1443 01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:58.039 point that we were making earlier about you know, why 1444 01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:00.479 did they change it so that it so that she's 1445 01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:05.640 older than Clark. I think it it allows for something 1446 01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:08.000 more interesting, just in terms of her having a point 1447 01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:14.000 of view that's different from Superman, totally, right. And so obviously, 1448 01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:15.880 as we record this, neither of us have seen the 1449 01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:18.680 new film, but I mean just from the trailers, it 1450 01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:23.119 seems like that's what the story is resting on. 1451 01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:27.560 Yeah, I mean speaking to the graphic novel, which I 1452 01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:33.119 really enjoyed. She's a really interesting character. Yeah, Like she's 1453 01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:37.359 she had a different experience, you know, losing her world 1454 01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:39.960 and her family and everything, and she deals with it 1455 01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:44.800 very differently. But she also has an inherent goodness that 1456 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:49.439 sometimes gets lost with her you know, outward belligerence from 1457 01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:51.840 time to time, which is right. She's a really I'm 1458 01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:54.000 really looking forward to the movie. After reading it, I 1459 01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:55.880 became way more excited about the movie. 1460 01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:57.920 Yeah, and I mean, by all accounts, it was that 1461 01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:01.119 graphic novel that was the primary source of inspiration. 1462 01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:05.279 Yeah, it's a I'm really hoping they stick closely to 1463 01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:05.960 it because it's. 1464 01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:08.560 A great story. Yeah. And you know, she has a 1465 01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:10.359 line in the trailer where she says something to the 1466 01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:12.640 effect in paraphrasing, she's like, my cousin sees the good 1467 01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:17.239 and everybody I see the truth, right, and and so 1468 01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:22.359 you know, there's this this cynicism, right, and I think 1469 01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:26.840 that the version of the character as depicted in this 1470 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:30.800 film doesn't have that because that was not the character 1471 01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:34.840 in the comics, right. I don't think they had really 1472 01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:39.439 nailed her, you know, the essentials of her world. She 1473 01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:44.960 did not have a supporting cast really, you know. Yeah, yeah, 1474 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:47.319 And so you know, the fact is this movie comes 1475 01:19:47.319 --> 01:19:49.920 out in nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty six, that DC 1476 01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:52.560 did a series called Crisis on Infender Earth's and they 1477 01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:54.119 killed off Kara in that series. 1478 01:19:54.439 --> 01:19:54.960 Oh wow. 1479 01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:58.520 And and she was dead in the comics for twenty years. 1480 01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:00.199 Oh oh wow. Wow. 1481 01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:02.520 You know, I think and I think that just sort 1482 01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:04.920 of speaks to the fact that DC didn't really know 1483 01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:05.600 what to do with her. 1484 01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:07.479 Yeah, sounds like it. 1485 01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:11.239 So you know, that's kind of where they were at 1486 01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:12.279 when this movie came out. 1487 01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:18.720 Yeah, yeah, Well, and that's maybe a part of the 1488 01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:20.600 problem why this movie didn't connect. I'm sure there were 1489 01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:23.720 a lot of reasons, but, like you said, just no 1490 01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:28.720 distinctive story or even persona for this character for people 1491 01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:30.640 to show up for or look forward to seeing on 1492 01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:31.279 the big screen. 1493 01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:37.279 Like I think it's very telling that, at least with 1494 01:20:37.439 --> 01:20:41.720 the newer film, they certainly have made sure to clarify 1495 01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:44.039 that David corn Sweat is in the movie. 1496 01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:45.119 Mmmm. 1497 01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:49.239 Yeah, that's right, you know, But I love this Ethan 1498 01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:52.800 now newly shaved and showered Ethan. Yeah, yeah, with like 1499 01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:55.680 just following around like a goddamn psycho. 1500 01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:59.680 But I love he's got the heart shaped box of 1501 01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:02.479 can and roses. But like the way he's holding them too, 1502 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:04.840 you know, is if he's in a Hallmark commercial or something. 1503 01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:09.039 It's like a high school sophomore, yeah, exactly for prom 1504 01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:15.199 or something. You know. I remember reading the story book 1505 01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:19.119 of this movie in the eighties. 1506 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:22.159 Like the hardcover storybook or that, remember the one ones 1507 01:21:22.199 --> 01:21:23.359 that would have the little record. 1508 01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:25.239 It was not one of those. 1509 01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:25.520 It was. 1510 01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:29.000 It was like a larger size one and like the 1511 01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:31.640 front page has a little square with all the characters 1512 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:34.520 and their names, okay, and it was just the storybook 1513 01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:37.119 of the movie, you know. Yeah, And it was like 1514 01:21:37.159 --> 01:21:38.600 this time, you know, because I was living in Saide, 1515 01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:41.600 Arabia at the time, and it's like, well, whatever I 1516 01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:45.359 have available, I will read, sure, you know. And I 1517 01:21:46.039 --> 01:21:48.760 very like the beats of the story I knew from 1518 01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:51.119 that story book, and I remember not being able to 1519 01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:53.079 make heads or tails of it. 1520 01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:55.119 Man, those were so cool back in the day. I 1521 01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:58.680 remember that. Yeah, well, because I didn't see Temple of 1522 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:03.399 Doom till I was older, and that was one of 1523 01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:05.800 those things where I could go to my elementary school 1524 01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:09.279 library and they had the storybook for Raiders of the 1525 01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:12.000 Lost Ark. I remember Return of the Jedi, the hardcover, 1526 01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:17.000 you know, with Luke on Jaba's barge, Like, oh so cool. 1527 01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:19.159 And then and then I saw the Temple of Doom 1528 01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:21.600 story books. I was like wow. So I remember reading 1529 01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:23.680 it and flipping through the pages and in the children's 1530 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:27.239 storybook they had Mola Ram with the heart on fire 1531 01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:27.800 in his hand. 1532 01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:30.279 Well you can't leave out the heart obviously. 1533 01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:32.920 Well and I remember looking at that like what am 1534 01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:36.720 I looking at? Like this is but you couldn't look away? Right, 1535 01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:40.560 it was and it was horrifying. But that that's my 1536 01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:43.720 first memory of that seeing that in a book, And 1537 01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:45.520 it's a practical effect. So I mean it looked like 1538 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:47.199 I was looking at a photograph of a real like 1539 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:48.880 real life horror event. 1540 01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:55.079 Yeah, it's crazy. See, So here we've got I don't 1541 01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:58.640 know what we're supposed to feel about this relationship because 1542 01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:03.319 I mean, he is clearly an adult man, yeah, and 1543 01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:06.560 Carra is meant to be a schoolgirl. 1544 01:23:07.039 --> 01:23:07.479 Yeah. 1545 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:10.359 Yeah. So as I was rewatching this, I was like, 1546 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:13.960 I was like, was this normal? You know, because it 1547 01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:17.000 because it brought to mind all those times on Saved 1548 01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.880 by the Bill where Kelly was dating like not men, 1549 01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:23.800 like like for adult men, right. 1550 01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:24.680 That's right, that's right. 1551 01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:27.319 Like at one point she was dating her boss at 1552 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:31.159 the Max and it was it was Xander. It was 1553 01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:34.159 Patrick Muldoon who played Xander Barclow on Starship Troopers. 1554 01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:37.279 Okay, oh yeah. 1555 01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:38.359 Right, and he just passed away actually in the last 1556 01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:38.760 month or so. 1557 01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:42.359 But I'm like, he was a grown up, yeah. 1558 01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:46.960 And Kelly, like she's a high school junior, you know, yes, 1559 01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:49.840 but it was very common, is my point? Right. 1560 01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:51.600 I wonder if that has a lot to do with 1561 01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:55.840 the writers. It must these like middle aged men writers, 1562 01:23:55.920 --> 01:24:00.439 like if I could date Kelly Kapowski, it's roast. 1563 01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:03.479 But like maybe I don't know, but you realize, like, 1564 01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:07.359 was this just like normalized in our pop culture. 1565 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:11.520 I think it kind of was, honestly. I mean yeah, 1566 01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:13.560 like to your point, you saw it a lot more often, 1567 01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.000 and that was just It's one of these things where 1568 01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:18.119 like now in the social media age, you'll see these 1569 01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:20.680 Instagram posts where people will look back on these older 1570 01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:22.840 shows and be like, was that kind of weird? 1571 01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:27.159 Yeah? Yeah, And maybe. 1572 01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:28.560 People did think it was weird back then, but they 1573 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:30.880 didn't have outlets to express it like we do now, 1574 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:32.520 so you just rolled with it because that's the only 1575 01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:33.520 entertainment we got. 1576 01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:38.239 Yeah, And I mean it wouldn't have taken much to 1577 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:42.039 make any of this age appropriate. 1578 01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:44.920 Yeah sure, sure. 1579 01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:50.560 Right, like either make Ethan younger or make Kara older. Yeah, yeah, 1580 01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:55.760 just have it be a college exactly exactly. 1581 01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:58.640 And him, Yeah, like maybe he could be a college. 1582 01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:01.479 This is like in the weeds, but like he could 1583 01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:03.079 have been a student there, but he couldn't afford it, 1584 01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:05.079 and so he's like working his way to pay for 1585 01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:06.720 his own school or yeah, you know what I mean. 1586 01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:08.239 Put them on equal footing in sort of. 1587 01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:11.720 A way, right, And so that leads me to believe 1588 01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:15.359 that that a lot of this was just culturally normalized. Yeah, 1589 01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:18.279 you know, but I think that it just sort of 1590 01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:20.640 circling back to the conversation we were having. I think 1591 01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:24.079 I think a jaded, cynical car to me, is just 1592 01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:29.119 more interesting, Yeah sure than sort of this this waife 1593 01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:31.880 as she's portrayed as here, you know, mm hmm. 1594 01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:38.359 You know, I want to call out when when Faye 1595 01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:41.640 Dunaway is doing the spell. Yeah, I thing pointing her 1596 01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:44.399 hand out at the carousel. You know what I really 1597 01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:50.720 miss is really beautifully composed widescreen photography. You know, there 1598 01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:53.159 are people that just came from a certain era, like 1599 01:25:53.239 --> 01:25:56.359 an older school era, or even if the movie wasn't 1600 01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:59.800 very good, they still knew how to compose a shot, right, 1601 01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:01.279 you know, And I feel like we don't see that 1602 01:26:01.359 --> 01:26:04.760 as much these days. It's a little bit more I 1603 01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:06.760 don't called verite, but it's like, yeah, we're just capturing 1604 01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:09.680 what's here, right, kind of a sensibility these days, which 1605 01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:12.640 is not terrible, it's fine. But I do really love 1606 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:17.720 a well composed, you know, widescreen shot. Yeah, Like people 1607 01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:20.079 of this vintage, that's just what they learned. That's what 1608 01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:20.479 they learned. 1609 01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:24.000 How to do You worked with what was available. Yeah. 1610 01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:26.800 I think I think we live in such a green 1611 01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:32.479 screen centric era that a lot of filmmakers are conditioned 1612 01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:34.800 to just sort of get what you get and then 1613 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:38.840 we can fix it and post yeah. Yeah, which isn't 1614 01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:42.840 necessarily a bad thing if the filmmakers in question have 1615 01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:45.920 the skills to follow through on that, you know. 1616 01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:48.880 Yeah, and if if it's the story, the style, totally 1617 01:26:49.239 --> 01:26:51.359 that's fine. But I just find sometimes I'll watch these 1618 01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:55.600 older not so great movies, but I'm like, yeah, but man, 1619 01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:56.760 they shot the hell out of it. 1620 01:26:57.039 --> 01:27:00.680 Yeah. You know, well, I think that is a reflection 1621 01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:03.479 of geno' zwark, who you know, I would not necessarily 1622 01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:06.359 consider him a great director, but I think I think 1623 01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:10.760 he knew his way around a shot, sure, and when 1624 01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:13.119 the script allowed, you know, he was able to exercise 1625 01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:15.279 some skill. You know. It's like I said, right, like 1626 01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:18.760 when you and I talked through Jaws too. That was 1627 01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:20.960 sort of that was my final takeaway as I'm like, 1628 01:27:22.039 --> 01:27:27.319 he didn't embarrass himself. No, totally right, and even somewhere 1629 01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:29.479 in time, which I don't like. I know a lot 1630 01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:31.920 of people love that movie. I don't. I don't think 1631 01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:35.640 it's badly directed, certainly, And it is a shame because 1632 01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:38.920 because I feel like this this movie sort of detonated 1633 01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:42.760 a grenade in his career because well this immediately after this, 1634 01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:44.880 he worked at the sal Kinds again. He did Santa 1635 01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:45.720 Claus the movie. 1636 01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:48.239 I was literally about to bring that up because I 1637 01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:50.039 wanted to ask you, have you ever seen that? 1638 01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:53.239 I have not seen it, but I don't know why, 1639 01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:53.600 but I. 1640 01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:56.319 Remember seeing it everywhere as a kid. I remember seeing 1641 01:27:56.319 --> 01:28:01.159 something in the video store like books, and it seemed 1642 01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:02.880 like sort of compelling because it came out when I 1643 01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:05.199 was five. Sure, so I'm like, well, obviously I have 1644 01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:08.960 a lot of interest in this man Santa Claus. He 1645 01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:13.119 dictates an entire month of my year. But like, and 1646 01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:17.479 it did look like a movie, you know, not like 1647 01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:19.520 a brightly colored, made for kids kind of thing. It 1648 01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:23.159 looked like, I don't know, like anything Steven Spielberg would make. 1649 01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:25.079 And it starts Santa Claus. Like, it looked like a 1650 01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:27.560 movie about Santa Claus. And I remember having interest in it, 1651 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:30.560 but I never got around to seeing it, and apparently 1652 01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:32.479 it wasn't good, So I don't know. 1653 01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:36.159 Yeah, that was sort of a legendary flop. And it's 1654 01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:39.800 weird because we can look at it now and be like, well, 1655 01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:41.760 that seems like a terrible thing to spend a lot 1656 01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:45.159 of money on. But you can also weirdly see the 1657 01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:46.880 sol kinds of being like, hey, we got a lot 1658 01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:50.439 of success with this other epic take on this beloved 1659 01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:55.600 flying man in red. Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's 1660 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.479 give it a shot with this, So you know what 1661 01:28:57.479 --> 01:28:59.760 I mean, You can see both sides of it, But yeah, 1662 01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:04.239 that one Jenno Swark directed, which that did have Dudley Moore, 1663 01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:08.159 but yeah, they got him. I'm sure they were all 1664 01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:12.239 very happy. Everybody was happy to Dudley Moore participate. But 1665 01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:16.359 if this was like the the the body blow, that 1666 01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:18.319 was the double tap, you know, I think in terms 1667 01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:23.039 of Zwark's movie career, yeah, he would go and he 1668 01:29:23.079 --> 01:29:25.960 directed a ton of television. In fact, speaking of Superman, 1669 01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:28.279 he did like fifteen sixteen episodes of Small Bill. 1670 01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:29.880 Ah, good friend. 1671 01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:31.880 You know, I remember seeing his name in the credits 1672 01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:34.840 of that and be like, oh from supergol actually, speaking 1673 01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:41.359 of other super connections, Helen Slater on Small Bill, she 1674 01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:48.039 played Laura Uh, Superman's father mother excuse me, and his 1675 01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:52.079 father was played by the guy who just he just 1676 01:29:52.119 --> 01:29:58.199 passed away. Remember he went hiking Julian Sands. Oh really, yeah, 1677 01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:00.840 yeah I remember he like he got lost on a hike. 1678 01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:03.159 You remember that, and he just I do? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1679 01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:07.399 So he played Jorel. And then Helen Slater would go 1680 01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:11.800 on to play on the Supergirl television show right which 1681 01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:15.399 was on the c CBS and then the CW. She 1682 01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:21.720 played Eliza Danvers, Kara's human mother. Oh okay, yeah, and 1683 01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:26.479 she In fact, Helen Slater played her human mom and 1684 01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:29.399 Dean Kine played her her foster father. 1685 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:31.720 Hmm. Interesting. 1686 01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:34.399 And then I think at some point they wrote Dean 1687 01:30:34.520 --> 01:30:38.640 Kane out of the show once, like his his douchery 1688 01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:43.039 became too pronounced right. Just just this past week, as 1689 01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:47.159 a matter of fact, somebody shared a meme of Millie 1690 01:30:47.239 --> 01:30:49.960 Alcock from the new film and they contrasted it with 1691 01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:55.920 like a like the the Neanderthal people from Land of 1692 01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:56.439 the Lost. 1693 01:30:56.800 --> 01:31:00.560 Yes, I saw someone on my own Facebook page post 1694 01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:01.600 this that I used to work with. 1695 01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:05.520 Yeah, and and he Dean Kane shared that and goes, 1696 01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:11.960 I laughed, Yeah, And I'm just like, bro, like, what's 1697 01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:12.600 wrong with you? 1698 01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:15.840 You know, like I know, like this is like this. 1699 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.720 Is a human being you're talking about. I know that 1700 01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:21.159 that is a person who is about to get thrust 1701 01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:26.479 into just this freaking cauldron of fanboy rage. 1702 01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:28.800 Yeah, and you're in the family. 1703 01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:33.119 You're in the family. Yeah, Like forget being like, hey, 1704 01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:35.359 let's not talk about somebody like that that. I don't 1705 01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:37.319 I don't even expect that anymore. But I'm like, you 1706 01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:39.039 you could have just not said anything. 1707 01:31:39.079 --> 01:31:41.720 You could have just not say exactly you know, and 1708 01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:44.359 again that's she's like your sister now in a way, 1709 01:31:44.359 --> 01:31:47.479 I mean to your point, Like all these Superman's stories, 1710 01:31:47.840 --> 01:31:50.039 I love the way that they bring all these people 1711 01:31:50.079 --> 01:31:51.680 back and keep it all in the family, and it 1712 01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:54.840 feels like they're this fraternity that they would look out 1713 01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:57.119 for one another and support one another and bring new 1714 01:31:57.159 --> 01:31:59.520 people into the fold and make them feel welcome, and like, 1715 01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:04.319 why the world would you? It's very strange, very strange. 1716 01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:06.720 It's yeah, I think unfortunate. I mean, this is a 1717 01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:10.359 broader conversation, but just sort of that online affirmation when 1718 01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:15.079 somebody hits like on your friggin' bullshit, like whatever endorphin 1719 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:18.439 rush it sends to your brain, you know, right right, 1720 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:22.000 that's a it's a broader discussion, but I mean it's 1721 01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:27.000 it is. I feel terrible already for whatever Millie Alcock 1722 01:32:27.119 --> 01:32:31.399 is going through. I know, I know, you know, because 1723 01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:36.319 it's just it's it's it's just who wants to deal 1724 01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:40.720 with this? You know? I know? I know now now 1725 01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:46.199 that said, I met Helen Slater at a convention twenty 1726 01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:48.840 years ago or so, yeah, and I have to admit 1727 01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:53.279 I was like, yeah, oh man, I mean, well I 1728 01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:56.319 thought she was gorgeous when this movie. 1729 01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:59.039 Came out, you know for sure. I mean, yeah, she's beautiful, She's. 1730 01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:00.399 She's luminous even now, you know. 1731 01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:01.640 That's awesome. 1732 01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:05.399 Yeah, it's a nice got to have a it was 1733 01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:08.880 I was. I was there like before the floor opened up, 1734 01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:11.119 so I was actually able to have like actual conversations 1735 01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:13.960 with people, which is really nice. Yeah. 1736 01:33:14.039 --> 01:33:16.760 Oh that's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it. That'll 1737 01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:19.640 be my follow up to this as I'll check out 1738 01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:20.520 the legend of Billy Jean. 1739 01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:25.439 Yeah, exactly, you know, I mean that that's kind of 1740 01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:29.039 the thing for me is I'm always I'm always glad 1741 01:33:29.199 --> 01:33:32.359 when you have somebody make their debut in a film 1742 01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:35.119 like this, and even if the movie underperforms, if they've 1743 01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:37.920 done a good job, like they are rewarded in terms 1744 01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:41.399 of some degree of career longevity. Right. It's a little 1745 01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:45.760 bit like Kyle McLaughlin in Dune. Mmm, sure, right, where 1746 01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:49.119 I'm like that that movie should have just just been 1747 01:33:49.159 --> 01:33:53.079 a nuclear event for his career. Right, But my man 1748 01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:54.319 has never stopped working. 1749 01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:58.439 Yeah yeah, you know yeah, and David Lynch obviously found 1750 01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:01.760 some sort of muse with him, right, I mean the 1751 01:34:02.039 --> 01:34:08.560 velvet and direst of course, I don't know. I just 1752 01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:11.680 actually I was laughing more at the scene earlier where 1753 01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:18.000 I can't even remember these characters' names. Stay down away, 1754 01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:19.359 she like throws a coconut. 1755 01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:24.039 Yeah you know it just with with remarkable precision. 1756 01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:28.520 Yeah, heart Backner's head on a beach. And then Beyonca's 1757 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:30.439 just sitting there kind of with her legs crossed and 1758 01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:32.760 holding a cigarette, just watching it all go down. And 1759 01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:34.960 I'm like, what, this is such a funny movie. 1760 01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:40.039 Well, that's the thing, right, because because getting beamed on 1761 01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:41.920 the melon with a coconut. 1762 01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:45.279 From the sky no less yeah right, not just a tree. 1763 01:34:46.159 --> 01:34:49.119 And it came from out of like it had to 1764 01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:53.600 have achieved escape velocity. Yeah right, And so that's something 1765 01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:55.880 you roll with in a comedy. But if we're living 1766 01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:58.479 in an ostensibly real world, I'm like, he should be dead. 1767 01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:00.640 Yeah, he'd be dead. I mean, isn't one of those 1768 01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:03.800 facts that comes up a lot where a certain number 1769 01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:06.760 of people die a year because coconuts fall in their heads. 1770 01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:09.840 That is fascinating and frightening. 1771 01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:13.800 Yeah, so stay away from coconut trees, or at least 1772 01:35:13.800 --> 01:35:16.680 not directly underneath them, ye stand away. 1773 01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:22.279 Yeah, he disappears. 1774 01:35:22.279 --> 01:35:24.600 I kind of want like a, I know, that's what 1775 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:28.119 we needed, or why not just go? 1776 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.520 You know, whenever you have scenes in movies like what 1777 01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:38.119 we just saw here, where you have characters who are 1778 01:35:39.119 --> 01:35:43.079 like they're able, they're able to see what's happening far away, 1779 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:46.359 you know, yes, yes, I think I were, and we 1780 01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:49.359 see the image. I'm always like, how how is the 1781 01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:51.920 camera placement dictated on what you see? 1782 01:35:52.399 --> 01:35:52.520 Uh? 1783 01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:56.600 Huh yes, right, like yeah, it's very specific, like the 1784 01:35:56.640 --> 01:35:57.520 framing and everything. 1785 01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:01.880 This is yes, Yeah, it's like when people watch home 1786 01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:07.199 movies in movies, but they're like cut, they're they're edited exactly, 1787 01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:10.439 you know, like that's how not how home movies work. 1788 01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:17.640 They're handheld uncut, that's right. Yeah, they look like produced cinema. 1789 01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:21.000 So yeah, her magic mirror effect is kind of funny 1790 01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:25.439 because it's like cinema framing, cinema editing is exactly. Yeah, 1791 01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:32.079 this mountain, you know, looks pretty good. Not gonna lie. 1792 01:36:32.119 --> 01:36:34.760 I don't know about the liquid that's coming down the sides, 1793 01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:40.119 but right effect the lighting making it looks like it 1794 01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:41.560 look like it's at the end of the street. That's 1795 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:42.159 pretty good. 1796 01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:45.199 But I think to the point you were making earlier 1797 01:36:45.319 --> 01:36:51.359 it's I we don't know anything about Selena. Yeah, so 1798 01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:56.439 it's kind of like, why does she want this? Why 1799 01:36:56.439 --> 01:36:58.600 does she want to castle on top of the mountain? 1800 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:05.079 Right, Like, yeah, it's just a funny sentence. Why does 1801 01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:07.279 she want a castle on top of a mountain? I 1802 01:37:07.279 --> 01:37:07.680 don't know. 1803 01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:10.279 It seems inconvenient to me. I'm just gonna put this 1804 01:37:10.359 --> 01:37:10.760 out there. 1805 01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:15.159 I don't disagree, which, by the way, just reminds me 1806 01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:16.920 of one of my favorite things that makes me smile, 1807 01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:18.960 and I wouldn't change or have any other way. But 1808 01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:21.680 I love in Edward Scissorhands how it takes place in 1809 01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:25.279 this like hilarious nineteen fifties suburban neighborhood. But at the 1810 01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:28.720 end of the street there's this giant Gothic castle on 1811 01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:31.760 a mountain that they're like, oh, yeah, that thing. 1812 01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:34.960 That's right. I love that basically that. 1813 01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:37.960 Yeah, but that's a fairy tale. 1814 01:37:38.239 --> 01:37:41.039 This is trying to be a fairy tale. That's true. 1815 01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:48.439 I think the fact that Okay, I mean, granted, you 1816 01:37:48.479 --> 01:37:51.479 don't have Chris Reeve. Chris Reeves. Chris Reeve made very 1817 01:37:51.479 --> 01:37:54.359 clear he wants something to do with this. Yeah, although 1818 01:37:54.359 --> 01:37:56.760 hopefully he did get a check for them using his 1819 01:37:57.159 --> 01:38:01.800 face on that poster. Right. But I think even still, 1820 01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:05.439 by virtue of Mark McClure being in this movie, you're 1821 01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:07.840 explicitly connecting it to those other movies. So I think 1822 01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:13.640 you have responsibility to make it fit, not just tonally, 1823 01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:15.960 but also in terms of how you how you depict 1824 01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:19.239 the world, right. And I think that's the problem, is 1825 01:38:19.279 --> 01:38:22.359 that there's nothing there's nothing in the prior films that 1826 01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:30.880 talks about magic as a factor, you know, right. And 1827 01:38:31.159 --> 01:38:33.680 I'm not saying magic can't exist, you know, I am 1828 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:38.800 saying I don't like this wasn't the movie to do it. 1829 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:41.159 That would have been something that you do in the 1830 01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:44.640 sequel once you have explicitly connected this to that the 1831 01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:46.960 previous films, right right. 1832 01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:48.279 You know. 1833 01:38:48.359 --> 01:38:51.560 It's it's like one thing I always say is like audience, 1834 01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:54.920 Like in terms of suspension of disbelief, your audience will 1835 01:38:54.960 --> 01:39:00.720 go with you. But once you establish the rules, you 1836 01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:04.600 you can only gently push those boundaries, you can't break them, 1837 01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:09.720 right right. It's it's like if a cyborg showed up 1838 01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:13.159 in Lord of the Rings, right right, you'd be like, 1839 01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:15.239 come on, even though it's a world of orcs and 1840 01:39:15.279 --> 01:39:16.159 demons and everything else. 1841 01:39:16.239 --> 01:39:18.680 Yeah, no, Actually that's a that's a great example. Yeah, 1842 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:22.039 you know, yeah, I like those things, but those things 1843 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:23.760 don't mesh in my mind. 1844 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:24.680 Exactly, right. 1845 01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:25.640 Yeah. 1846 01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:29.640 So the I've always loved the effect, the phantom zone effect. 1847 01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:34.680 Yeah, it's cool, the glass or the mirror floating, yeah, 1848 01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:35.720 twirling through space. 1849 01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:39.279 But my question is, so the the thing that you know, 1850 01:39:39.319 --> 01:39:43.119 the glass thing, so is that I always thought that 1851 01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:44.399 is the phantom zone. 1852 01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:47.119 I thought so too. Yeah, but of course what. 1853 01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:50.000 We see here makes it seem like it's a vessel 1854 01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:52.000 that gets you to the phantom zone. 1855 01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:55.640 Right, which is like this desolate planet. Right. 1856 01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:59.159 Yeah, this is very confusing, right, I. 1857 01:39:59.159 --> 01:40:02.920 Mean that wasn't the case before. But they needed her 1858 01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:07.359 to meet with the Peter O'Toole again, and that would 1859 01:40:07.359 --> 01:40:09.079 be kind of funny actually if that happened just in 1860 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:12.359 a floating mirror, Like she's standing like ah and then 1861 01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:14.800 he's like ough and like bumps into her and she's like, oh, 1862 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:17.560 what are you doing here? It's just you know, as 1863 01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:20.439 they're confined to this small little shard of glass floating 1864 01:40:20.439 --> 01:40:20.960 through space. 1865 01:40:21.960 --> 01:40:24.000 Yeah. See, like I wonder if there was a better 1866 01:40:24.039 --> 01:40:26.680 way to visualize it. 1867 01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:31.159 So it doesn't just look like she sent her to Mars. 1868 01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:35.439 Yeah, well I I yeah, exactly right, because because if 1869 01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:40.239 you remember, you know, in in in Superman the movie, 1870 01:40:40.520 --> 01:40:43.760 we see the three criminals are are are sent to 1871 01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:47.560 the Phantom Zone, and that glass is just spinning in space, right, 1872 01:40:48.279 --> 01:40:51.159 and then in Superman two, the nuclear blasts or the 1873 01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:55.159 atomic bomb it explodes, and then and then they're freed 1874 01:40:55.199 --> 01:40:58.319 from the prison, right, So then by that means they 1875 01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:00.439 have been in the phantom Zone that entire time. 1876 01:41:01.560 --> 01:41:03.039 Yeah, So I. 1877 01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:06.399 Feel like, what what what might have been more effective 1878 01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:09.680 is you see her enveloped in the in the thing, 1879 01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:12.000 you know, and and it goes off into space, and 1880 01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:15.600 then essentially our perspective shifts, so it's like the camera 1881 01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:19.119 passes through the glass and now we're seeing it from 1882 01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:20.439 the inside out. 1883 01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:21.159 Mmm. 1884 01:41:22.199 --> 01:41:24.880 Does that make sense totally? Yeah, So that way we're 1885 01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:26.840 not doing the thing like it shatters and she's it's 1886 01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:29.119 like that we go through and now we see what 1887 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:31.520 it's like inside for the people who are there. 1888 01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:36.279 Yeah. Yeah, which in my mind would be some sort 1889 01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:39.359 of like big haunting house of mirrors or something. 1890 01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:40.600 Yeah. 1891 01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:45.199 Or I mean it can even make sense, right or 1892 01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:46.000 it makes a little sense. 1893 01:41:46.079 --> 01:41:49.399 Yeah, Like there's no time there's no space, there's nothing. 1894 01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:50.640 It's just exactly. 1895 01:41:51.399 --> 01:41:52.720 I have to say. I was watching this with my 1896 01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:57.159 daughter and right away she's like, Zaltar is going to 1897 01:41:57.199 --> 01:42:00.760 find her. Really, so she's she's plugged into this stuff. 1898 01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:08.720 I wasn't even thinking about it, but I so this. Yeah, 1899 01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:11.079 this I think was a moment again where I like 1900 01:42:11.119 --> 01:42:12.439 looked down for a second and I was like, wait 1901 01:42:12.439 --> 01:42:14.239 a minute, why did they have signs against her? How 1902 01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:15.520 do they even know who this person is? 1903 01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:18.239 That's what I'm saying. It's it's like she snapped her 1904 01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:21.199 fingers and now it's it's Biff nineteen eighty five. 1905 01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:24.319 Yeah, okay, okay, okay. 1906 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:27.600 But that's my question is like, is it like she 1907 01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:31.520 was operating in si in in silence this entire time, 1908 01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:34.439 like you know, nobody knew who she was, and then 1909 01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:36.920 suddenly now everybody knows or was it always like oh 1910 01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:37.840 that crazy witch. 1911 01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:43.119 Yeah, like they know that there's that crazy person in town. 1912 01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:47.279 So this here where Lucy's like my roommate Linda, and 1913 01:42:47.279 --> 01:42:49.239 then they both be on Ka and Selena are like 1914 01:42:49.560 --> 01:42:53.239 the whimp. I'm like, that is the weirdest thing in 1915 01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:53.760 this movie. 1916 01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:59.560 Yeah, I read something I don't know if this is 1917 01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:03.880 true or not, but that apparently you see some big 1918 01:43:04.079 --> 01:43:07.439 puddle of water that suddenly appears in the scene, okay, 1919 01:43:07.680 --> 01:43:11.239 right there maybe or maybe when they're standing there with 1920 01:43:11.319 --> 01:43:14.800 the signs, and apparently it's from a deleted scene where 1921 01:43:14.800 --> 01:43:20.520 Selena turns a protester into an ice statue and shatters it. 1922 01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:21.039 Cool. 1923 01:43:21.159 --> 01:43:22.600 Cool, cool, that's what I said. I was like, I 1924 01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:28.159 kin see that, right of all the things to not 1925 01:43:28.319 --> 01:43:29.119 cut and the. 1926 01:43:29.159 --> 01:43:31.680 Thing kind of a cut, kind of a moss Man 1927 01:43:31.960 --> 01:43:38.319 in Masters of the Universe. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, right 1928 01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:40.319 here this is where and I was like, yep, it's 1929 01:43:40.359 --> 01:43:43.239 Altar or actually she was like, it's what's his name, Zaltar? 1930 01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:46.399 She said that yeah, literally wow. 1931 01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:49.279 So she was paying attention. 1932 01:43:50.119 --> 01:43:52.119 She's like, this is when Lawrence of Arabio shows up, 1933 01:43:54.119 --> 01:43:56.560 knowing your daughter. Seriously. 1934 01:43:59.039 --> 01:44:02.600 There's also a funny bit later where where they see her, 1935 01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:08.039 you know, Patty and Selma see you're in the Phantoms yea, 1936 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:11.199 and they're like, she's with some old guy. And I 1937 01:44:11.239 --> 01:44:13.439 was like, how old was peedo o'tool? And he's like 1938 01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:14.960 early fifties. 1939 01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:15.720 He's fifty one. I looked at him. 1940 01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:20.880 Yeah, I'm like, okay, come on, yeah. Still he seems 1941 01:44:20.960 --> 01:44:31.000 like a perfectly adequate fifty year old man. Come on, right, right, right, Yeah, 1942 01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:33.359 Peter O'Toole is an interesting cat, though. You know, it's 1943 01:44:33.399 --> 01:44:36.600 like it definitely feels like he sort of fell victim 1944 01:44:36.640 --> 01:44:41.840 to his own, you know, predilections. 1945 01:44:42.279 --> 01:44:44.720 Yeah, because I remember he had that kind of comeback 1946 01:44:44.760 --> 01:44:48.880 moment with Venus. That's right, maybe like fifteen twenty years ago, 1947 01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:51.960 and I don't remember if he was nominated. 1948 01:44:52.399 --> 01:44:54.159 I think twenty thirteen he died. 1949 01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:58.319 Okay, right, he either was nominated or won an Oscar 1950 01:44:58.399 --> 01:44:58.640 for that. 1951 01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:06.079 Yeah, I had his I'm looking now. He's on the Tutors. 1952 01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:09.920 That's right, he was in the Tutors. I forgot about that. 1953 01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:17.720 I'd ratitituey. He's anton Ego, that's right. Well, I was 1954 01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:23.840 spot on twenty years Venus anyway. Yeah, yeah, but I 1955 01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:25.840 know him best from Lawrence of Arabia. 1956 01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:27.439 Oh not from Supergirl. 1957 01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:32.720 Well now, Zaltar, the guy who sacrifices himself. 1958 01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:37.119 Yeah, the Tutors, by the way, which also start Henry Cavill. 1959 01:45:38.119 --> 01:45:40.640 Oh really see, Oh, there's. 1960 01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:42.600 So many Superman interconnections at these. 1961 01:45:42.439 --> 01:45:43.720 Things, you know, Yeah, there really is. 1962 01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:47.960 See Jimmy Olsen is so completely useless in this movie. 1963 01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:51.560 That's what I feel bad for Mark McClure, because he's 1964 01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:54.720 entirely right. I'm sure. I'm sure he was happy to 1965 01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:56.199 get that paycheck. 1966 01:45:56.399 --> 01:45:58.840 Yeah, I was gonna say, I guess it's like you 1967 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:00.600 know that a pros and cons. 1968 01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:04.119 Yeah, because because he he said like he had just 1969 01:46:04.119 --> 01:46:08.439 finished Superman three, which was also in the UK, and 1970 01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:10.479 they're probably like, hey, hang out for another couple of 1971 01:46:10.520 --> 01:46:12.279 weeks and and just do this thing. 1972 01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:15.600 Yeah, create a link. I understand it, but they just 1973 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:18.800 don't make it seem necessary at all. 1974 01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:20.960 Yeah. Like, I guess what I'm saying is I would 1975 01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:24.079 have liked for this film to show us a little 1976 01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:25.840 bit of a side of him, like, you know, all 1977 01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:28.079 that hanging around Superman has taught him something. 1978 01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:32.319 Mm hmm, totally totally. But instead he's just a man 1979 01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:35.960 of inaction, yeah when stuff's going down, and then he 1980 01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:38.840 gets to be like another person in a hanging from 1981 01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:42.239 the ceiling in a cage exactly you know who He 1982 01:46:42.319 --> 01:46:46.680 even comments on like what seriously hanging in a cage 1983 01:46:46.680 --> 01:46:48.560 from the ceiling? How unoriginal? 1984 01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:51.479 Basically that's just Mark McClure. 1985 01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:55.760 I've I was like, do you know that that little 1986 01:46:55.760 --> 01:46:59.720 trivia from the Lego movie where Morgan Freeman's wizard character 1987 01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:01.960 He's is something like, all right, we gotta write all 1988 01:47:01.960 --> 01:47:04.359 that down because I'm not gonna remember any of it, Okay, 1989 01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:07.119 And apparently, and it sounds very random and funny in 1990 01:47:07.159 --> 01:47:09.119 the movie, and it turns out that was Morgan Freeman 1991 01:47:09.680 --> 01:47:13.680 unhappy while they were recording and excited to use it. Yeah, 1992 01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:14.640 that's hilarious. 1993 01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:15.279 I didn't know that. 1994 01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:17.079 So you gotta wonder you have that's Mark McClure, Like, 1995 01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:21.479 what seriously hanging from a ceiling? Who wrote this stuff? Yeah? 1996 01:47:22.479 --> 01:47:25.640 See, So going back to what I was saying earlier, 1997 01:47:25.720 --> 01:47:31.800 if you make Zaltar Zorel and you make him Kara's. 1998 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:34.439 Father, oh man, Yeah, doesn't that. 1999 01:47:34.359 --> 01:47:37.720 Make all of this just a lot more emotional? Yeah? 2000 01:47:37.760 --> 01:47:40.039 All of it? All of it like we forgive you. 2001 01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:44.760 I I'm being punished for your mistake, but like I'm 2002 01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:47.159 gonna help you get out here to correct it. You know, 2003 01:47:47.159 --> 01:47:50.279 I'll sacrifice myself absolutely, you know. 2004 01:47:50.319 --> 01:47:53.279 Again, It's just those are those types of choices that 2005 01:47:53.319 --> 01:47:56.840 I look at and I'm like, well, I don't think 2006 01:47:56.880 --> 01:48:01.479 I'm you know, that ahead of the curve, you know, 2007 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:04.800 And it's not like it's oh well forty years of hindsight. 2008 01:48:04.840 --> 01:48:06.640 I mean, this feels like the type of decision making 2009 01:48:06.680 --> 01:48:09.319 you make it while this is all coming right, because 2010 01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:14.000 ultimately it's like, how how do we connect every character 2011 01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:16.159 to our main character in a way where there's some 2012 01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:22.520 emotional push and pull? And that's a no brainer to me. Yeah, 2013 01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:25.560 you know, and you allow because to me, this is 2014 01:48:25.640 --> 01:48:32.439 the equivalent of, you know, when when Superman is able 2015 01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:34.960 to connect with his father through the computer in the 2016 01:48:35.520 --> 01:48:39.000 Fortress Solitude. You know, it's just it's like this thing 2017 01:48:39.079 --> 01:48:42.039 that she thought she had lost, but now she has it. Yeah, 2018 01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:44.159 and you know, her final test is that she you know, 2019 01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:46.800 she has to lose her mentor you know. Yep. 2020 01:48:50.479 --> 01:48:55.039 Gotta say, man, the practical sets yeah something to it. 2021 01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:57.319 By the way, she's really good in this scene. 2022 01:48:57.399 --> 01:49:00.279 I was literally thinking that when she takes the squirt 2023 01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:04.520 bottle thing, yeah and kind of does this this smile. 2024 01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:06.279 Yeah, I was like, wow. 2025 01:49:06.119 --> 01:49:10.319 That's really good. Yeah, She's she's experiencing a lot of 2026 01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:12.840 feelings right here, and she's expressing them really well. 2027 01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:17.960 Now the the sal Kinds initially wanted brook Shields. 2028 01:49:19.239 --> 01:49:21.880 For this fal I mean, I can see that especially 2029 01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:22.840 in this moment. 2030 01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:24.800 At this moment, I can see it. Yeah, I think 2031 01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:26.840 I think Brooke Shields was in the mix. I know 2032 01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:31.640 Demi Moore read for it interesting and I think ultimately 2033 01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:34.119 I think with Brooke Shields they just decided she was 2034 01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:39.439 too famous. M and and I mean certainly that's true 2035 01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:42.720 in that that was exactly the process they went through 2036 01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:46.159 with with Superman. Right where before Chris Reeve comes in, 2037 01:49:46.239 --> 01:49:51.439 they're looking at gosh, like Sylvester Stallone and Robert Redford 2038 01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:54.720 and you know al Pacino like and and the problem 2039 01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:58.399 is anybody who you know that well is going to 2040 01:49:58.439 --> 01:50:01.640 look like that actor wearing a super Man suit, right right, 2041 01:50:01.960 --> 01:50:05.520 And so they they really did break the mold when 2042 01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:11.680 they found Christopher Reeve, right, I think in terms so 2043 01:50:11.800 --> 01:50:14.680 that thinking of being like, let's find an unknown like 2044 01:50:14.680 --> 01:50:17.600 like Chris Reeve for this, that worked out Lynd Stallmaster, 2045 01:50:17.680 --> 01:50:21.600 same casting director. H And I think, like I was 2046 01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:25.640 saying earlier, I think Helen Slater plays the role in 2047 01:50:25.720 --> 01:50:28.000 the same she's in the same lane as Chris Reeve. 2048 01:50:29.600 --> 01:50:35.159 But I think the movie does let her down rather often. 2049 01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:36.600 Yeah, agreed. 2050 01:50:37.159 --> 01:50:39.239 One thing one thing she did speak about it was 2051 01:50:39.279 --> 01:50:44.560 how generous Peter O'Toole was as a scene partner, and yeah, 2052 01:50:44.600 --> 01:50:46.800 and how much she learned from him, you know, for. 2053 01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:49.920 Someone who's so young and he's already a legend at 2054 01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:50.359 this point. 2055 01:50:51.239 --> 01:50:54.039 Yeah, he would have easily been like, man, f this, 2056 01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:54.920 what am I doing here? 2057 01:50:55.720 --> 01:50:59.560 Exactly exactly, but treating her like a peer, Yeah, scene partner, 2058 01:51:00.359 --> 01:51:02.039 and that's just only going to make the work better. 2059 01:51:02.439 --> 01:51:05.920 I agree. Yeah, And again I think Peter O'Toole is 2060 01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:11.000 good in this movie. That's the other thing, right, I'm 2061 01:51:11.079 --> 01:51:15.920 watching it type yeah, yeah, you know, I think that 2062 01:51:17.159 --> 01:51:20.560 obviously the movie was leaning into the fact that he 2063 01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:24.159 was a legend, and they were leaning they were trying 2064 01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:26.800 to use that to him and fade down away where 2065 01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:28.800 like the I'll look at all the look at the 2066 01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:31.239 people we got in this movie, you know, Yeah, and 2067 01:51:32.479 --> 01:51:33.159 they showed up. 2068 01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:37.720 Yeah, yeah, that's true. They don't look like they have 2069 01:51:37.800 --> 01:51:41.239 one eye already on how to get out of the studio. 2070 01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:43.439 On the sack of cash with a dollar sign on it, 2071 01:51:43.720 --> 01:51:48.119 except just off camera, you know. See. I think this 2072 01:51:48.479 --> 01:51:53.560 bit here where he sacrifices himself doesn't hit for me. 2073 01:51:55.000 --> 01:51:58.760 Okay, I want to hear why because I remember thinking, 2074 01:51:59.399 --> 01:52:03.000 feeling something similar. But I also didn't quite understand it that. 2075 01:52:03.159 --> 01:52:05.359 So that's my issue is, yeah, I don't I don't 2076 01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:06.760 understand what got him here. 2077 01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:10.319 Yeah, right, because and I think. 2078 01:52:10.199 --> 01:52:12.319 Just a little bit of dialogue would have done it, right, 2079 01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:14.279 because in the early part of the film, he talks 2080 01:52:14.319 --> 01:52:16.479 about how he wants to leave Argo. He's like, maybe 2081 01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:20.479 I'll go to Earth or whatever, and and here he's 2082 01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:24.399 just like, ah, screw it, you know, I can't weather 2083 01:52:24.439 --> 01:52:27.640 the storm. And and I just think we needed to 2084 01:52:27.720 --> 01:52:29.920 connect one thing to the other, like if it's if 2085 01:52:29.960 --> 01:52:36.600 it's if it's he's so torn apart by despair that 2086 01:52:36.720 --> 01:52:39.880 he's like, I'm not strong enough. Well that's interesting, but 2087 01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:41.760 I think the dialogue should alluded to that, like the 2088 01:52:41.800 --> 01:52:43.439 Phantom zone has just broken. 2089 01:52:43.159 --> 01:52:45.359 Him, right, he's been there for so long. 2090 01:52:45.439 --> 01:52:50.279 Yeah that's yeah, that's interesting. Or he's desperate to get out, 2091 01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:54.920 but but he knows that by sacrificing himself, Kara can 2092 01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:59.079 get out exactly, then that's interesting. But we don't get 2093 01:52:59.119 --> 01:52:59.720 either of those. 2094 01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:03.159 See that's when I went on Wikipedia because I didn't 2095 01:53:03.239 --> 01:53:11.239 understand why he had to sacrifice himself, right, Yeah. 2096 01:53:09.199 --> 01:53:12.479 You know, it's a little bit like Jonesy I'm gonna 2097 01:53:12.520 --> 01:53:13.479 be okay, you know. 2098 01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:17.319 Right right from Crystal Skill. 2099 01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:21.399 Yeah, that's great. I remember, I remember you see it. 2100 01:53:21.439 --> 01:53:24.840 You're like yeah, bye, yeah, I know. 2101 01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:29.840 I'm I don't understand he and Indie's relationship. I certainly 2102 01:53:29.880 --> 01:53:32.239 as an audience member, do not care about that character. 2103 01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:35.479 Just like a wink and a just let me go, 2104 01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:39.800 It'll be all right. I'm like fine bye see yeah. 2105 01:53:43.479 --> 01:53:47.520 Jeez, yeah, I think that if this is if this 2106 01:53:47.600 --> 01:53:51.800 is him saying, you know, alone, I can't get out 2107 01:53:51.840 --> 01:53:53.479 of here. But now that the two of us are, 2108 01:53:53.840 --> 01:53:57.279 we can help each other. And then they're this close, 2109 01:53:57.359 --> 01:54:00.760 and it's one of these things where he realizes it's 2110 01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:03.239 either him or her, and so it's got to be her. 2111 01:54:03.640 --> 01:54:07.159 Then that's something totally you know, but he just kind 2112 01:54:07.159 --> 01:54:08.960 of like, no, I can't do it, and he just 2113 01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:13.000 flings himself in right, like yeah. It's very strange. 2114 01:54:13.640 --> 01:54:17.479 Yeah yeah, sort of like I thought of that moment 2115 01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:21.279 in Titanic when DiCaprio tries to get on the door 2116 01:54:21.720 --> 01:54:24.479 yeah yeah, and then it won't work, and then he 2117 01:54:24.520 --> 01:54:29.000 does this little thing to himself. He's like right, like yeah, okay, 2118 01:54:29.319 --> 01:54:31.439 like that's how it's gotta be. Like it would be 2119 01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:33.640 nice if we got a moment here where he's like, yeah, 2120 01:54:33.640 --> 01:54:35.760 the two of us and then realizes, oh, only one 2121 01:54:35.760 --> 01:54:38.079 of us can make it, and he's like, yep, nope, 2122 01:54:38.119 --> 01:54:38.760 it's gonna be her. 2123 01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:44.640 Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, right, that scene in Titanic that 2124 01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:46.840 it pisses me off that to this day, we're coming 2125 01:54:46.920 --> 01:54:49.159 up on thirty years, people like, there's enough room on 2126 01:54:49.199 --> 01:54:51.479 the door for both of them. I'm like, no, there wasn't. 2127 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:55.319 I know, he tried. It didn't work. Pablished in the movie. 2128 01:54:55.880 --> 01:54:57.720 I know. I mean, maybe it would have helped if 2129 01:54:57.760 --> 01:55:01.960 the door had looked smaller, just for you know whatever, 2130 01:55:02.439 --> 01:55:04.680 But yes, it is established in the movie that it 2131 01:55:04.760 --> 01:55:05.319 won't work. 2132 01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:11.119 Dude. It it drives me bananas that people say that 2133 01:55:11.159 --> 01:55:13.880 shit right now in the Year of Our Lord twenty 2134 01:55:13.960 --> 01:55:16.600 twenty six, like they have just discovered something. 2135 01:55:17.399 --> 01:55:19.960 Yeah, like they have something over it exactly. 2136 01:55:20.199 --> 01:55:23.319 Yeah, that's that's like every few months on social media, 2137 01:55:23.359 --> 01:55:26.119 somebody gonna be like, if Batman really wanted to help 2138 01:55:26.159 --> 01:55:29.119 people instead of beating up the mentally ill, he would 2139 01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:30.079 pay for their treatment. 2140 01:55:30.680 --> 01:55:32.800 Dude. I just saw that recently too, and I was like, 2141 01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:33.960 that's not what he does. 2142 01:55:34.239 --> 01:55:37.000 I know. I'm like, you just thought you came up 2143 01:55:37.039 --> 01:55:37.760 with something, didn't you. 2144 01:55:38.479 --> 01:55:38.960 Yeah, I know. 2145 01:55:39.880 --> 01:55:40.840 Oh that's so funny. 2146 01:55:42.600 --> 01:55:44.760 I bet her algorithms are pretty similar. 2147 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:55.560 Would imagine which I'm gonna say, good, Yeah, she looks. 2148 01:55:55.319 --> 01:55:59.159 Great, doesn't she. There put their hands on her hips, Supergirl. 2149 01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:01.680 Like she's got the this gick us up. I know, man, 2150 01:56:01.960 --> 01:56:03.359 that's good. It's got the physicality. 2151 01:56:03.720 --> 01:56:07.199 Yeah. Like this is very like comic bookie, right, like 2152 01:56:07.239 --> 01:56:10.000 old school comic bookie. It's like now there's like hot 2153 01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:15.760 spikes on the ground, yeah, or sort of like Indiana Jones, 2154 01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:17.439 like Temple of Doom a little bit like the spikes 2155 01:56:17.479 --> 01:56:18.840 in that room coming down. 2156 01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:24.479 And that's right. This was the same year, is that. 2157 01:56:24.920 --> 01:56:27.760 Oh yeah, wow, that's weird to think about. So Ghostbusters 2158 01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:30.119 Temple of Doom this eighty four. 2159 01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:32.680 See that's the thing, right, you look at the Temple 2160 01:56:32.720 --> 01:56:35.880 of Doom and you can watch that right now, forty 2161 01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:42.159 plus years later and it feels contemporary, right, dude, totally right. 2162 01:56:42.279 --> 01:56:44.920 And so that's like watching it, Like you say, this 2163 01:56:45.119 --> 01:56:47.319 and Temple of Doom came out within a few months 2164 01:56:47.319 --> 01:56:48.760 of each other. I don't believe it. 2165 01:56:49.600 --> 01:56:52.479 Guess what the budget was on Temple of Doom less 2166 01:56:52.520 --> 01:56:55.720 than this twenty eight million. There you go versus this 2167 01:56:56.079 --> 01:56:58.840 movie's thirty five. So I mean it goes to show 2168 01:56:58.920 --> 01:57:03.319 sometimes throwing more money thing isn't always the right approach. Yeah, yeah, 2169 01:57:03.359 --> 01:57:06.319 but you're so right. Yeah, yeah, that movie does look contemporary. 2170 01:57:06.359 --> 01:57:10.720 Like if if you watch Templa Doom right now, kids 2171 01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:13.840 will be engrossed in it and not have to make 2172 01:57:13.840 --> 01:57:14.720 a lot of excuses. 2173 01:57:15.079 --> 01:57:18.600 Yeah, a few, you know, Matt paintings aside, but sure, 2174 01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:22.159 and the filmmaking, the acting, the yeah, the adventure of 2175 01:57:22.159 --> 01:57:23.840 the peril, the stunts, that stuff. 2176 01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:26.840 Yeah, I think. 2177 01:57:27.720 --> 01:57:28.680 This movie's excuse. 2178 01:57:29.119 --> 01:57:33.600 That's that's the weird thing. You know, it doubly because 2179 01:57:33.640 --> 01:57:35.800 you know, they were coming off of Superman three, which 2180 01:57:35.920 --> 01:57:41.960 was not received well, and so you think they would 2181 01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:46.119 have doubled down more on really locking in the story. Yeah, 2182 01:57:46.439 --> 01:57:50.600 you know, because this movie was announced before Superman three 2183 01:57:51.560 --> 01:57:55.800 mm and I think initially the plan was for her 2184 01:57:55.880 --> 01:57:59.640 to that's a very funny bit from her character. By 2185 01:57:59.640 --> 01:58:03.199 the way, Aca character, I like her very broad. Yeah, 2186 01:58:02.479 --> 01:58:05.840 I think she she's she's kind of in the right 2187 01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:06.840 lane for this movie. 2188 01:58:07.079 --> 01:58:09.399 I know Parker Posey already was in a Superman movie, 2189 01:58:09.399 --> 01:58:11.960 but I can see a Parker Posy type now, yep 2190 01:58:12.159 --> 01:58:12.600 doing her. 2191 01:58:12.680 --> 01:58:15.800 Yeah. Oddly enough, they didn't let Parker Posey play a 2192 01:58:15.840 --> 01:58:17.039 Parker Posey type. 2193 01:58:17.399 --> 01:58:20.319 Yeah that's right. She's just kind of damsel in distress 2194 01:58:20.399 --> 01:58:23.680 really yeah and bored and yeah. 2195 01:58:23.920 --> 01:58:26.479 But what was I saying? 2196 01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:28.680 Sorry, I'm sorry I derailed you. 2197 01:58:28.720 --> 01:58:32.560 No, no, no, that was me. Uh yeah. They planned to 2198 01:58:32.720 --> 01:58:37.720 introduce her in Superman three. Uh oh, okay, okay, and 2199 01:58:37.960 --> 01:58:41.840 initially Ilia saul Kind was like, oh, we're writing out 2200 01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:47.000 Lois and Superman's new love interest will be Supergirl. Oh, which, like, bro, 2201 01:58:47.159 --> 01:58:50.720 did you I mean, maybe look into the characters you 2202 01:58:50.800 --> 01:58:53.760 own the rights to just get that all figured out beforehand. Yeah. 2203 01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:54.039 Right. 2204 01:58:55.279 --> 01:58:58.640 They decided not to do that, and I think maybe 2205 01:58:58.680 --> 01:59:00.600 that would have been smart. I mean, I wonder if 2206 01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:03.800 the current Superman folks specifically thought of that, And that's 2207 01:59:03.800 --> 01:59:05.600 why they had Supergirl show up at the end of 2208 01:59:05.600 --> 01:59:10.159 the twenty twenty five movie m so that it's like 2209 01:59:10.239 --> 01:59:13.399 it's it's rooted within the world that people already know. 2210 01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:16.479 Yeah, this is linked they know each other exactly, you know. 2211 01:59:17.960 --> 01:59:20.319 Okay, So so this looks terrible. 2212 01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:22.439 I was about to give this movie a compliment and 2213 01:59:22.439 --> 01:59:26.520 then I was like, wow, yeah, but I just real quick, 2214 01:59:26.840 --> 01:59:29.000 the Faye Dunaway stuff here with their hair blowing and 2215 01:59:29.039 --> 01:59:32.560 the back lighting and the fog, that's all fine. I 2216 01:59:32.600 --> 01:59:37.279 was like, you know, sometimes just great craft can look 2217 01:59:37.319 --> 01:59:40.319 even better than a visual effect. Yes, Like I really 2218 01:59:40.319 --> 01:59:44.359 believe she's harnessing some sort of magic and it's spooky 2219 01:59:44.439 --> 01:59:47.239 looking and dazzling looking. I was like, man, you gotta 2220 01:59:47.239 --> 01:59:48.760 give it to the old school stuff here, like they 2221 01:59:48.760 --> 01:59:51.359 worked with what they had and sometimes it feels even 2222 01:59:51.399 --> 01:59:52.319 more magical to me. 2223 01:59:52.800 --> 01:59:58.000 Yeah, then you get then you have this yeah, yes, yeah, 2224 01:59:58.039 --> 02:00:00.479 they're they're doing well. This is right. 2225 02:00:00.560 --> 02:00:01.399 What is happening? 2226 02:00:02.039 --> 02:00:06.560 So the monster has Kara and he's twisting her like taffy. 2227 02:00:06.680 --> 02:00:08.840 I guess, okay, okay, that's what I thought is happening. 2228 02:00:08.920 --> 02:00:13.199 And then zaltar Obi wants this thing, yeah, and so 2229 02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:15.640 that's her way out. But I'm just like, guys, you 2230 02:00:15.720 --> 02:00:17.359 had to have known how stupid this looks. 2231 02:00:18.520 --> 02:00:21.840 Yeah, because it doesn't look like she's actually there. It's 2232 02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:24.760 she's kind of transparent or something. 2233 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:28.880 The shadow Demon is a physical presence because she fought 2234 02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:32.279 the invisible version earlier. So I'm like, why don't you 2235 02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:36.920 have her use heat vision or something like something so 2236 02:00:36.960 --> 02:00:39.319 that we don't have to see that where she twisted 2237 02:00:39.359 --> 02:00:40.199 and looks ridiculous. 2238 02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:43.520 You know, this movie costs more than Temple of Doom. 2239 02:00:43.840 --> 02:00:47.960 Yeah, think about that, wild. I mean, it costs more 2240 02:00:48.000 --> 02:00:52.119 than Star Wars, you know, yeah, yeah, I think that 2241 02:00:52.159 --> 02:00:58.000 was seventeen million. Yeah, so I feel like this all 2242 02:00:58.119 --> 02:01:00.880 kinds solution is always just throw money at it. 2243 02:01:02.359 --> 02:01:02.920 Yeah. 2244 02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:05.680 And you know, because they were basically like Return of 2245 02:01:05.720 --> 02:01:08.079 the Jedi cost less than this movie that was thirty 2246 02:01:08.119 --> 02:01:11.560 two and a half million. That was just that was 2247 02:01:12.000 --> 02:01:12.840 just a year earlier. 2248 02:01:13.399 --> 02:01:14.720 Yeah. 2249 02:01:15.000 --> 02:01:17.720 Yeah, so you know, the sal Kinds were like gold 2250 02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:21.720 and Globus. I feel like kind of you know, they 2251 02:01:21.760 --> 02:01:25.039 would they would get stars on board, they would raise 2252 02:01:25.079 --> 02:01:27.600 a bunch of money from international investors, and then just 2253 02:01:28.119 --> 02:01:31.560 use that like, oh just figure it out. 2254 02:01:32.159 --> 02:01:34.439 Yeah, And I was gonna say, maybe that's a real 2255 02:01:34.479 --> 02:01:37.760 testament to ILM. Also in that story, they were not 2256 02:01:37.800 --> 02:01:40.680 only pioneers, but they were the best of the best. 2257 02:01:41.079 --> 02:01:45.239 Like they were innovating and doing it exceptionally well. And 2258 02:01:46.119 --> 02:01:49.000 you know, I don't want to disparage the people who 2259 02:01:49.039 --> 02:01:52.880 worked on this, but like maybe just I don't know, 2260 02:01:53.079 --> 02:01:56.079 they had developed the same sorts of tricks, and they 2261 02:01:56.119 --> 02:01:58.920 were working with whatever they had to work with. 2262 02:01:59.479 --> 02:02:02.239 But see that that's the weird thing, right because because 2263 02:02:02.279 --> 02:02:05.159 Superman three, it was just a year earlier, And say 2264 02:02:05.199 --> 02:02:06.760 what you will about that movie. I'm not going to 2265 02:02:06.800 --> 02:02:08.439 defend it. I will say I probably have the same 2266 02:02:08.520 --> 02:02:10.479 level of nostalgia for Superman three that a lot of 2267 02:02:10.479 --> 02:02:14.000 folks likely have with this one. You know, but I 2268 02:02:14.439 --> 02:02:16.640 mean it's not you know, it's not a well written film. 2269 02:02:16.680 --> 02:02:18.520 But one thing you can say is that the effects 2270 02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:20.000 largely hold up. 2271 02:02:20.760 --> 02:02:22.520 Yeah that's my memory. I've only seen it the one 2272 02:02:22.520 --> 02:02:23.000 time with you. 2273 02:02:23.319 --> 02:02:25.560 Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a few, like you said, 2274 02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:28.119 you know, occasionally there's matt lines that aren't perfect, but 2275 02:02:28.159 --> 02:02:32.880 by and large, the effects work. And many of the 2276 02:02:32.920 --> 02:02:36.680 same people who made those films, those first three Superman's 2277 02:02:36.920 --> 02:02:39.399 were involved in this, which is why the fall off 2278 02:02:40.319 --> 02:02:42.640 effects wise is very odd to me. 2279 02:02:43.000 --> 02:02:48.479 Yeah, yeah, huh. How do they do that? Get her 2280 02:02:48.520 --> 02:02:55.479 to fly out that door? Huh, that's what you need? 2281 02:02:56.239 --> 02:02:59.239 The mountain disappears. See this is so stupid, but I 2282 02:02:59.279 --> 02:03:01.279 actually thought he's to be like, Wow, our love can 2283 02:03:01.359 --> 02:03:04.520 move mountains. 2284 02:03:04.800 --> 02:03:07.319 So this here, he says goodbye Linda because he figured 2285 02:03:07.319 --> 02:03:10.039 it out. And then he's like hmm okay, and then 2286 02:03:10.079 --> 02:03:10.960 he just walks. 2287 02:03:12.399 --> 02:03:14.000 In the world. 2288 02:03:16.199 --> 02:03:19.520 Right like why would you not have the camera trained 2289 02:03:19.600 --> 02:03:22.840 on his face? He has this look of longing as 2290 02:03:22.840 --> 02:03:23.840 she leaves, and then you. 2291 02:03:23.840 --> 02:03:27.720 Cut like the end of et like yes with Elliott 2292 02:03:27.720 --> 02:03:37.279 looking at the sky wind blowing the hair. Yes, one hundred. 2293 02:03:35.960 --> 02:03:38.760 What are you doing? You know? 2294 02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:41.159 What he should have done is like put his hands 2295 02:03:41.159 --> 02:03:42.680 in his pocket and go oh. And then he sees 2296 02:03:42.680 --> 02:03:44.880 a penny on the ground and picks it up, flips it, 2297 02:03:45.159 --> 02:03:52.800 catches it, puts it in his pocket, walked away, so we. 2298 02:03:52.720 --> 02:03:54.880 Don't get to see her fly back to Argo as 2299 02:03:54.920 --> 02:03:57.359 her entire community is dead. 2300 02:03:58.880 --> 02:04:01.600 Yes, that's what it should have, all of them either, yeah, 2301 02:04:01.640 --> 02:04:04.840 suffocating on the ground like where have you been? 2302 02:04:06.119 --> 02:04:08.479 They could have had like the mist ending you. 2303 02:04:08.439 --> 02:04:13.439 Know, yes, yes, yes, oh man. 2304 02:04:15.800 --> 02:04:18.720 So one thing I should say. You know, they had 2305 02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:23.119 the big premiere in the UK for this, and Christopher 2306 02:04:23.159 --> 02:04:26.960 Reeve was there, you know, and so you know, I 2307 02:04:27.000 --> 02:04:29.680 think during the production, even though he wasn't involved, I 2308 02:04:29.720 --> 02:04:31.680 know that Helen Slater spoke with him just to get 2309 02:04:31.720 --> 02:04:34.600 kind of a lay of the land, and you know 2310 02:04:34.960 --> 02:04:37.319 he gave her good advice and they never got to 2311 02:04:37.399 --> 02:04:40.720 appear on screen together in live action, but they did 2312 02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:43.560 the CGI recreation in the flash. 2313 02:04:43.680 --> 02:04:47.079 I was gonna say, just you leading up to that. 2314 02:04:47.199 --> 02:04:48.520 It unlocked a memory. 2315 02:04:48.640 --> 02:04:51.319 Yep. I read that, which I know a lot of 2316 02:04:51.359 --> 02:04:56.479 people have strong negative feelings about that film broadly, and 2317 02:04:56.560 --> 02:04:58.920 you know that sequence in particular. I will say, you know, 2318 02:04:59.720 --> 02:05:03.439 I I certainly appreciated that the intent behind it, and 2319 02:05:03.560 --> 02:05:05.720 I've said all along, if the families are okay with it, 2320 02:05:05.800 --> 02:05:07.760 or in this case sounds later herself, it's okay with it. 2321 02:05:07.800 --> 02:05:09.640 I really don't have a problem with them doing that. 2322 02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:12.159 Yeah. Same, I don't know. I felt like we were 2323 02:05:12.159 --> 02:05:14.800 on another planet with that movie. It's very weird. 2324 02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:17.279 Yeah, I stand by it. I mean I haven't revisited 2325 02:05:17.319 --> 02:05:19.359 a ton, but I enjoyed it then and I have 2326 02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:21.880 enjoyed it when I have revisited it. Yeah. 2327 02:05:21.960 --> 02:05:24.119 By the way, can I just say this movie's credit 2328 02:05:24.199 --> 02:05:26.560 game is on point. 2329 02:05:26.800 --> 02:05:30.319 If you're spending a million dollars per credit sequence, then yeah. 2330 02:05:30.560 --> 02:05:35.079 But like it's sort of different. Yeah, it reminds me 2331 02:05:35.119 --> 02:05:37.199 of the Star Wars crawl, but not exactly. It almost 2332 02:05:37.239 --> 02:05:42.520 looks like a camera up high pointed toward like a 2333 02:05:42.600 --> 02:05:46.199 soldiers marching towards you, or something like a slightly overhead 2334 02:05:46.880 --> 02:05:51.520 and it looks amazing. And look as the credits get 2335 02:05:51.600 --> 02:05:53.319 close to the bottom of the frame, they go out 2336 02:05:53.319 --> 02:05:56.640 of focus. Yeah, like someone put a lot of thought 2337 02:05:56.680 --> 02:05:57.119 into this. 2338 02:05:57.560 --> 02:05:59.600 Yeah. 2339 02:05:59.640 --> 02:06:02.039 Wow, that's my takeaway. The credits in this movie are 2340 02:06:02.079 --> 02:06:02.840 just a plus. 2341 02:06:03.520 --> 02:06:05.640 There you go, this is this is like phishing for 2342 02:06:05.720 --> 02:06:08.479 a compliment. What do you think of the movie? Well, 2343 02:06:08.560 --> 02:06:11.920 the credits really blew my hair back. 2344 02:06:12.319 --> 02:06:13.960 Yeah. 2345 02:06:13.960 --> 02:06:16.920 So this is your second time, second and final time 2346 02:06:16.920 --> 02:06:18.720 watching Supergirl from nineteen eighty four. 2347 02:06:19.119 --> 02:06:23.119 Yeah, probably probably. I You know, that's the thing, right, 2348 02:06:23.159 --> 02:06:25.039 because there was even as you said that, I know, 2349 02:06:25.119 --> 02:06:27.199 I joked about it earlier, but I thought, well, maybe 2350 02:06:27.199 --> 02:06:29.319 if it was on TV or something, maybe i'd stop 2351 02:06:29.319 --> 02:06:31.600 on it. But then I thought, that's a problem with 2352 02:06:31.640 --> 02:06:33.600 this movie. There's so few scenes I would actually want 2353 02:06:33.600 --> 02:06:34.079 to stop on. 2354 02:06:34.520 --> 02:06:34.760 That's. 2355 02:06:34.960 --> 02:06:39.279 Yeah, maybe the tractor thing in the middle or you know, 2356 02:06:39.359 --> 02:06:41.239 sort of the first half of the movie. But then 2357 02:06:41.239 --> 02:06:44.640 as it's just you know, the witch milling about her 2358 02:06:44.720 --> 02:06:48.439 layer just measure mirror stuff, I'm probably not gonna want 2359 02:06:48.479 --> 02:06:50.000 to stop on that. 2360 02:06:51.199 --> 02:06:54.439 Yeah. Well, That's what you realize is you know, you 2361 02:06:54.479 --> 02:06:57.319 said magic mirror, and when they were putting this thing together, 2362 02:06:57.399 --> 02:07:01.159 they basically just they just they they did snow White, 2363 02:07:01.239 --> 02:07:03.840 and they did a fine replace and put you know, 2364 02:07:04.000 --> 02:07:07.640 Supergirl's name in the script wherever snow White appears, you know, yeah, 2365 02:07:07.720 --> 02:07:10.920 it's it's very much and and that speaks to, I think, 2366 02:07:12.439 --> 02:07:14.840 sort of an unseiousness because you're like, oh, we got 2367 02:07:14.840 --> 02:07:17.880 to make something girls alike, and it's like again, I 2368 02:07:17.880 --> 02:07:19.800 if I were to bet, I would say there were 2369 02:07:20.039 --> 02:07:23.239 plenty of female viewers of those first two Superman movies 2370 02:07:23.439 --> 02:07:26.720 totally totally right, and they plugged into the romance and 2371 02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:29.560 and all that other stuff while in the context of 2372 02:07:29.600 --> 02:07:32.600 an action picture. And so I think it tells you 2373 02:07:32.680 --> 02:07:36.800 something that you had Supergirl and then about twenty years 2374 02:07:36.880 --> 02:07:42.920 later you had Catwoman, and both are awful. I think 2375 02:07:42.960 --> 02:07:46.680 both remain like the lowest rotten Tomato scores, you know, 2376 02:07:46.720 --> 02:07:50.119 for like a DC movie. And and so you have 2377 02:07:50.199 --> 02:07:53.560 these two flops that really oh and then and then 2378 02:07:53.640 --> 02:07:56.960 the Electra you know somewhere oh yeah, right around there. 2379 02:07:57.359 --> 02:07:58.239 I remember it well. 2380 02:07:58.560 --> 02:08:03.880 I I'm sure you do. But those like dissuaded studios 2381 02:08:03.920 --> 02:08:08.840 from taking a swing on female superheroes. Yeah, and it's like, 2382 02:08:08.880 --> 02:08:10.119 I don't know, why don't you just treat it like 2383 02:08:10.119 --> 02:08:12.159 a superhero picture that happens to have a female lead 2384 02:08:12.239 --> 02:08:15.920 instead of exactly, instead of like second guessing yourself. 2385 02:08:15.920 --> 02:08:19.039 You know, it's amazing that we're finally possibly catching up 2386 02:08:19.039 --> 02:08:20.520 to that idea. 2387 02:08:19.960 --> 02:08:22.680 Hopefully, you know. I mean, as we are recording, we 2388 02:08:22.760 --> 02:08:27.279 have no idea what Supergirl twenty twenty six, what the 2389 02:08:27.319 --> 02:08:30.760 prognostications are for it. But I certainly hope it does 2390 02:08:30.840 --> 02:08:36.199 well just to sort of prove the naysayers wrong. Obviously, 2391 02:08:36.199 --> 02:08:39.239 I hope the movie is good more than anything. But yeah, said, 2392 02:08:39.279 --> 02:08:43.359 you know, I think there is this tendency. It's it's 2393 02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:48.359 it's only gotten worse, Like I said, the real polarized, 2394 02:08:48.399 --> 02:08:52.239 weird internet conversations. But I feel like, look, if you 2395 02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:55.119 make a good picture, people show up. Yeah. Yeah, you know, 2396 02:08:56.960 --> 02:08:59.119 but hey, let us know, let us know your thoughts 2397 02:08:59.119 --> 02:09:01.439 on Supergirl from I For I know that this is 2398 02:09:01.439 --> 02:09:04.880 a movie that a lot of our listeners likely do 2399 02:09:04.960 --> 02:09:07.159 have some nostalgia for, so I definitely want to hear 2400 02:09:07.319 --> 02:09:10.199 your thoughts totally on the film and our thoughts. 2401 02:09:10.680 --> 02:09:13.479 Yeah, I completely understand that because there are movies that 2402 02:09:13.520 --> 02:09:15.239 I grew up with that I can look at now 2403 02:09:15.279 --> 02:09:17.640 and be like, Wen, I probably wouldn't show anybody that 2404 02:09:17.640 --> 02:09:19.640 that's what they hadn't seen it before, because it's just 2405 02:09:19.640 --> 02:09:21.359 something I enjoyed when I was a kid. There's a 2406 02:09:21.439 --> 02:09:25.479 nostalgic attachment, and so I completely understand that there are 2407 02:09:25.479 --> 02:09:28.520 people who probably love this movie, you know, because they 2408 02:09:28.520 --> 02:09:30.359 grew up with it, and so I definitely want to 2409 02:09:30.359 --> 02:09:32.600 hear their feelings about that. 2410 02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:36.000 Absolutely, And if you want to send those to us, 2411 02:09:36.039 --> 02:09:38.520 you can email us at moviefilm podcast at gmail dot com. 2412 02:09:38.560 --> 02:09:40.479 You can also hit like on our Facebook page Facebook 2413 02:09:40.520 --> 02:09:43.479 dot com slash movie Film Podcast and message us there. 2414 02:09:43.600 --> 02:09:46.159 As always, please go to Apple Podcasts and leave review, 2415 02:09:46.239 --> 02:09:48.000 leave a star rating. Every little bit helps, And if 2416 02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:51.079 you're listening to this show on YouTube, please hit like, 2417 02:09:51.159 --> 02:09:53.439 hit subscribe, and of course leave a comment there because 2418 02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:56.159 we do read those on the show as well. Brian, 2419 02:09:56.199 --> 02:09:58.720 I know we have a Patreon also, that's right. 2420 02:09:58.800 --> 02:10:02.319 If you head over to Patreon slash moviefilm Podcast, hit 2421 02:10:02.319 --> 02:10:05.039 subscribe for only five dollars a month, you'll find every 2422 02:10:05.079 --> 02:10:09.119 commentary we've ever done and every episode moving forward. Absolutely 2423 02:10:09.520 --> 02:10:12.640 ad free. In addition to that, you can now find 2424 02:10:12.680 --> 02:10:16.600 bonus conversations that we drop about twice a month, trailer talk, 2425 02:10:16.640 --> 02:10:18.560 extra things that wouldn't fit into the episode, which are 2426 02:10:18.560 --> 02:10:21.159 a lot of fun. 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And if you're looking for me online, 2436 02:10:45.520 --> 02:10:47.520 you can find me on social media at Zachi's corner. 2437 02:10:47.520 --> 02:10:50.000 That's the Akis Corner. You can also read my reviews 2438 02:10:50.039 --> 02:10:52.279 at the San Francisco Chronicle and also at IGN and 2439 02:10:52.399 --> 02:10:54.640 The Rap What About You, Brian, You. 2440 02:10:54.560 --> 02:10:56.840 Can find episodes I've written of Puppy Dog Pals and 2441 02:10:56.920 --> 02:11:01.119 Young Jedi Adventures streaming on Disney Plus and with that on. 2442 02:11:01.159 --> 02:11:03.319 Behalf of my partner Brian Hall. My name is Zachi Hasan. 2443 02:11:03.359 --> 02:11:05.560 This has been our movie film commentary track for nineteen 2444 02:11:05.600 --> 02:11:11.399 eighty four Supergirl. We'll catch you next time. Thanks everybody,