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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advice.

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Speaker 3: So you're gonna let You're gonna let this little punk

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over here dictate your life.

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Speaker 2: There's blood on your shoe.

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Speaker 4: You're in the house a night that this murder happens.

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Speaker 2: You can't play stupid.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know what the most detrimental thing

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in a young man's life is, it's not having a father.

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You can be a father and still be absent, still

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leave a void in a young man's life. And since

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the majority of crime is committed by males, this should

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be a problem that we all focus on. When young

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men grow up without fathers, they're left searching for guidance,

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often pledging loyalty to the wrong people. In the absence

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of a steady, strict hand, they idolize whoever steps in,

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no matter how toxic they are. We've seen that, haven't

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we with a certain set of brothers over in Romania?

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Is it and their OnlyFans empire where they flash their

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fancy cars and homes and chains and things. It's all

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the eager young men out there that are desperate for

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a little taste of that life, and too rudderless to

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know how to get there, that end up screwing up

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their own lives because of bad advice. That misplaced loyalty

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can lead to devastating choices in life, the kind of

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choices that we talk about here on Sword and Scale.

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Sometimes those choices lead to murder. This is episode three

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oh six of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals

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that sometimes the worst monsters are fatherless and very real.

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It was a muggy Florida night. Yes, we're talking about

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Florida again in Palm Beach Gardens in early March of

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twenty seventeen. I mean, are you surprised, really at this

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point we're going to talk about either Florida or Ohio

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every week, So, I don't know, fix your own states people.

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On this particular night, the sky was black, the highway

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was eerily quiet, and the quiet was only broken up

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by the occasional whoosh of a car off to the

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side of the road. Flames flickered in a patch of

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overgrown weeds. Smoke curled up into the air as if

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trying to keep a secret. Fire trucks arrived, blazing their lights,

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slicing through the dark. It didn't take long to extinguish

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the flames, but what they uncovered left the responders frozen.

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Two bodies wrapped in sheets and plastic hidden within the

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dying fire. By morning, the discovery had been leaked to

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the local media. Helicopters swarmed overhead, and news cruise parked

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as close as they could to the team of investigators

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from the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office working the scene.

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Speaker 5: That's right, and crime scene investigators have been busy all morning.

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You see them there behind me. They are on the

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northeast side of Beeline Highway. They have been focused on

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a twenty to thirty yard grassy area. They are looking

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for potential evidence and through this murder mystery, they discovered

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two burned, unidentified bodies. They were taken through the Medical

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Exabitor's office to try and figure out the cause of

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death and for positive identification. The Violent Crimes Division has

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taken over the investigation. Anyone the information about this homicide

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is asked to call the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office.

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Speaker 1: The detectives would be starting from scratch. As news of

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the bodies traveled around the South of Florida, a woman

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named Alice Allen was at home watching the news and

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got a sick feeling in the pit of her stomach.

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Her nephews, Brian and Brandon Allen had not shown up

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to work at Chick fil A and were twenty two

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year old twin brothers living with their adoptive sister, Linda

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Allen in a condominium in Palm Beach Gardens. As soon

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as Alice hung up the phone with Chick fil A,

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something inside her questioned if these bodies on the highway

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could be them. Maybe she was thinking the worst, but

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maybe not. Alice was a worry wart, a naturally anxious person,

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so she called the boys sister and roommate, twenty two

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year old Linda Allen. In a way, Linda, Brian, and

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Brandon were like triplets. The Allen family adopted them all

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when they were small children in California. The Allen's then

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migrated to Florida, where Linda, Bryan, and Brandon were raised.

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The three siblings lived together in a newly renovated condominium

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in Palm Beach Gardens. Linda Allen came down to the

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police station willingly. She wanted to find out what was

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going on and to see if the dead boys were

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her brothers, all right.

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Speaker 6: So thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 7: I don't feel that you met my partners over there.

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Speaker 6: Detective pie Check and Detective Drake.

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Speaker 7: So I just wanted to get a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Of information from you.

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Speaker 7: And I saw a gentleman came here with you.

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Speaker 6: Who is that?

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Speaker 7: Who's not my god brother?

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Speaker 6: Okay? Not a boyfriend?

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Speaker 8: Got okay.

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Speaker 1: Julian Catherell had accompanied Linda to the police station. She

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told the cops that he was her godbrother and he.

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Speaker 7: Lives there with you like he doesn't like he comes

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over every now and then.

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Speaker 9: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Linda was big and soft around the edges, dressed in

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baggy cargo shorts, scuffed combat boots and a loose hoodie.

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Julian was tall, slick and handsome. They didn't make sense

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as a couple, but the detectives had to ask. They

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were like siblings. Linda expled.

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Speaker 7: So who lives over a off mill brain court with you?

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It was me and my two brothers, okay, and I

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had let another friend move in, but he was moving.

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Speaker 10: Out, okay.

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Speaker 6: And your two brothers are Brandon and Brian, yes, okay?

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And how long have you lived there?

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Speaker 7: Since? March thirty first?

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Speaker 6: Of last year.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, first it was me and Brian just.

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Speaker 10: Staying there, okay.

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Speaker 6: And then who else? When who else moved in? Was

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it Brandon or your other friend?

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Speaker 7: It was Julian at first he came this thing for

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a while. Then he had to go to because briand

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and agree with him, okay. And then he wanted our

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brother to move in there because of a situation in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 7: How long ago was that that Brandon lived in It

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was sometime in December, I know it was around Christmas time,

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recent this past Christmas.

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Speaker 11: Okay, so only a few months he's going down.

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Speaker 4: You say, situation in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 6: What do you know about that?

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Speaker 7: I wish they would have told me more. I felt

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like they weren't telling me the whole truth.

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Speaker 1: Linda was the owner of the condominium. After mister and

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Missus Allen had passed away, Linda, Brian, and Brandon had

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inherited a nice little nest egg, and their parents had

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made sure that the executor of their will had set

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them up with a place to live. The executor bought

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Linda a newly renovated three story condo and Brian moved

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in as well. Brandon, who had always been a bit

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of a troublemaker, had stayed in Jacksonville, that is, until

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he came down and wedged his way into the house.

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Brian couldn't say no to his twin brother, his only

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blood relative, but Linda wasn't happy about it. Neither was

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their other roommate, Julian. Word around the house was that

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Brandon had enemies in Jacksonville who were after him.

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Speaker 7: He wasn't telling Brian the whole truth and I wasn't.

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So it was like, since he wasn't getting Brian the

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whole truth, I didn't know need to, so I wasn't

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so sure, gotcha, Like it was just really a big

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cloud mystery, Like I don't know what was going on.

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Speaker 1: Brandon only confided in his brother Brian. Brian filtered information

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to the rest of the house members until Linda overheard

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a phone call that scared her.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why when he moved down here, I told Brian,

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do you think it's a good idea? Do you think

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that him coming down here will cause a problem for us?

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Like I was only like more fearful for the fact

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that Brandon talked about getting a gun, like I overheard

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him on I don't know who he was on the

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phone with, but he talked about getting a gun, and

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it's like I just want Like I didn't get a

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chance to tell I even tried to tell him, like

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I don't want no gun in that house. How long

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ago was that? Do you think this was like two

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in to a mom He said that he was going

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to get his permit to carrying.

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Speaker 12: He's going to have it regardless, Okay, But he didn't

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mention why.

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Speaker 7: That's when I was trying to figure out, like what

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makes you feel like you need to get a gun?

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Do you want to talk about this? Do you need

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to call somebody?

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Speaker 13: Or like.

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Speaker 1: Tensions had been and rising in the home over Brandon's

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fear of his enemies in Jacksonville. Brandon had bipolar disorder

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and had gone off his medication when his adoptive parents

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passed away. But remember, folks, says, I'm often told to

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repeat verbatim, people with mental illness are more likely to

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become victims and they are perpetrators.

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Speaker 2: Is that good?

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Speaker 5: Can I go?

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Speaker 7: Now? There was some nine o four number that called

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my phone and he said, hey, is Brandon there? And

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I was like yeah, sure, So I put the phone

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on speakers I'm like, I was trying to eat drop

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in that and it's just that, you know, And I

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knocked on do I'm like, Brandon, someone want to.

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Speaker 8: Talk to you.

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Speaker 7: So he just looked at the phone, was like he

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had that face like Dan, I did not want this dude,

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Speaker 14: In the.

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Speaker 1: Suspicion that these bodies might be Brian and Brandon had

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spread through the Allen family after they hadn't shown up

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to work at Chick fil A, Linda said that, but

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she assumed they were just out with friends. Then twenty

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four hours turned into a few days and the fire

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appeared on the news.

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Speaker 15: You hadn't seen them since Sunday and now it's it's Thursday.

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Speaker 7: No, That's why I was starting to worry, like and

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I just had Julius they like say, with me staying

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in the house by myself. It was like in PP

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I was like, do you know if they, like, if

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they talked to you or anything like, because I don't

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have none of their friends phone numbers. So I called

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Brian's phone and illustrate the voicemail. So are you biologically

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related to Brian and Brandon?

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Speaker 2: You know, okay?

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Speaker 1: The main thing that detectives had to do was figure

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out if the bodies were actually Brian and Brandon, but

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it would be tough seeing as they had no living

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blood relatives that anyone knew about.

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Speaker 7: What I'd like to do is I'd like to I'm

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gonna do a consent to search.

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Speaker 12: It's just to be have the other detective that brought

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you over here go and collect maybe their truthbrush or

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some spoons or something with their DNA on it so

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I can compare it and see if it is in

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fact the two people that we have because we have

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to since there's no there's no biological family, so I

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can't get DNA from you or.

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Speaker 6: Any other family to compare.

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Speaker 7: I don't have dental records because they don't know the.

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Speaker 4: Dentist right now.

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Speaker 1: Linda agreed to the search and gave samples of her DNA.

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She went into the hallway and waited while the police

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decided if they could extract any information from Julian, Linda's

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so called god brother. Unlike Linda, twenty two year old

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Julian exuded confidence and swagger. He sat down easing into

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the chair as though he was taking a seat at

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his favorite barber shop, smiling the whole time.

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Speaker 4: I like this room, right It's my favorite color gloom.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I feel so uncomfortable with her right now.

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Speaker 6: That's like a big thing.

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Speaker 2: I love walls like this man nice and saw soul.

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Speaker 1: In all of my years doing this, I've never heard

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someone compliment of police Department's hideous gray felt walls and

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rub them with his hand. Weird. Julian said that he

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and Linda had been like family since they met at

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a lab class while trying to get their GEDs together.

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Linda never completed hers. By the way, Julian also grew

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up in foster care, so he and Linda bonded over

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being children of the state. Unlike Linda, Bryan and Brandon,

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Julian hadn't been adopted into such a fortunate family and

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was on his own at age eighteen, no longer under

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the States guardianship. He had been staying part time with

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his girlfriend and part time with Linda. His relationship with

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the twins wasn't close.

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Speaker 16: I personally, as far as Brian and Brandon, it's like

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a hind by type thing. They're very to themselves. That's

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all I really know about them. But I mainly you know,

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I mainly stick to.

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Speaker 6: Hang Okay, how would you describe them? Not physically, but

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just they're just personality.

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Speaker 16: They got very like from what I noticed just by

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seeing them with each other, they got very like goofy personality,

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very goofy personalities. Brian more friendly, Brandon more aggressive.

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Speaker 12: Okay, so friends like the real nice kind of more

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social one and the other ones kind of Okay.

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Speaker 4: Any issues that you've had with.

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Speaker 16: Them, we've had, Like the only issue we ever had

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was a disagreement about dishes, normal roommate stuff, anything physical.

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Speaker 1: But he said the same thing as Linda. Things got

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dicey when Brandon arrived and they'd all been worried about

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these enemies. He felt he needed protection from Ianna.

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Speaker 16: Be honest, I've heard him like, not me trying to

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ease drop or anything like I've eased dropped on like

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probably like two phone calls Brandon and.

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Speaker 2: It was just something about gunsay something about guns man,

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and I just just the type.

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Speaker 16: Of how he has anger problems. He gets angry quicker

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than Brian. I just went, you know, that's that's just one.

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Speaker 6: Thing that stuck out to you what.

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Speaker 12: I know you're not gonna remember the conversation by heart,

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but like what verbiage did he use or what kind

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of what did he say?

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Speaker 4: If you could remember, it was like he was on

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the phone with somebody.

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Speaker 2: It's like he was trying to keep his voice down.

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He came from Jacksonville. And when he was in.

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Speaker 16: Jacksonville, I guess he's had some problems with some people

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that ran him out of a condo, okay, like a

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hundred I was another condole and he was on the

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phone like just I guess I think it was somebody

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that was selling guns or something.

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Speaker 1: The police were starting to get a clearer picture of

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Brandon and Brian, but again, the DNA had to be

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confirmed before they could go down this rabbit hole of

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what happened to Brandon and Jacksonville.

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Speaker 15: So you know how you're sitting in that chair right now, Well,

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during our investigation, we may out come to a time

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that we need to eliminate you and people that belong

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in an area from an object or a place.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so can we give a sample of your DNA? Yeah,

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all right? Cool.

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Speaker 1: Julian and Linda gave DNA samples The analysts then collected

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Brian and Brandon's toothbrushes from Linda's condo and analyzed them.

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When the results came back, they called Levon Starks, the

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legal guardian and executor of the Allen family. Will Sark So,

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I know.

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Speaker 6: You've been in contact with him.

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Speaker 10: This is our first name speaking and loved to believe

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submit DNA and it came back.

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Speaker 6: To Brian Brandon. I'm so sorry. Oh, we kind of.

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Speaker 2: Figured as much.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, things have been messing. It didn't come back.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'd like to get some information if you have

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any for us, some backgrounds on them, what their daily

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activities are, or anything that maybe you could possibly think of.

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Speaker 1: Leavn wasn't surprised. She, like the rest of the Allen family,

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had a feeling the twins were dead. She crossed her

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legs and sat back in her chair, preparing for what

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she knew would be a long conversation with detectives.

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Speaker 8: When you heard this is or anything that we have

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popped in your head or something that you've been learned about, Well, Brandon, okay,

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he was living in Jackson and him coming down here

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and I'm not really sure why he was down here,

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but that really concerned me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Like Linda and Julian, levonn saw Brandon for what

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he was, a magnet for chaos. Trouble clung to him,

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swirling around and dragging others into its orbit, like a

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cloud of dust that never settles. Lavon explained that Brandon

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had his own apartment in Jacksonville, which had been purchased

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for him. The idea was to keep Brian and Linda

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as far away from him as possible. So when Levon

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heard through the family grapevine that Brandon was crashing with

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Linda and Brian, he was livid.

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Speaker 17: Because Brandon was a bad and he was on both

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of them. He has been all their lives, you know,

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He's just been to bully all their lives. And so

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I say, he can't live. He's a stupid room. And

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if he wants to come back to as far, we're

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going to do two things. We're going to sell it

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there and Jacksonville and they're going to buy him something

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he buy himself. Yeah, because I definitely never wanted them

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ever together.

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Speaker 1: Levon was the cousin of the kids adoptive aunt, although

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she wasn't emotionally close to them after their parents died,

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she became the default parental figure responsible for dividing the inheritance.

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She said that Brian was a good kid. He went

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to work, he was going to college, and he was

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level headed.

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Speaker 6: He's definitely in the bystander and all of us. I

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just can't imagine, and we thought of in us.

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Speaker 2: What do you think Linda would have anything to do

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with this?

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Speaker 14: Not at all?

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Speaker 17: Like I say, this is Mike pol believe that we

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said everything to do with Brandon.

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Speaker 1: The cops kept hearing the same thing. Brandon was trouble,

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and his trouble stretched all the way to the north

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end of Florida. But as Levon sat in that interrogation room,

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her story started to expand. Little details, what you may

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call throw away comp started to nudge the investigation in

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a direction that no one could have expected. Twenty two

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year old twin brothers, Brian and Brandon Allen, had been

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found wrapped in plastic in bed sheets, then set on

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fire and left burning on the side of a highway

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in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. The twins shared a condo

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with their adoptive sister, Linda and another former foster kid,

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Julian Catherine everyone in the house agreed on one thing.

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Brandon was trouble. He had people in Jacksonville after him,

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and it got so bad that he abandoned his newly

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purchased apartment there and fled to Palm Beach. Linda had

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told the police that she overheard him talking about buying

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a gun. Even the Allen kids legal guardian and executor

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of their inheritance, Levon Starks, had agreed this murder had

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something to do with Brandon. As she sat with police,

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she offered more clarity into the lives of these former

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foster children.

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Speaker 13: I just want to go all the way back to

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how you became the executor of their estates. You know,

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who are the parents are?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 13: For the Oh my god, I don't get involved, but

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I mean, what was a relationship with them?

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Speaker 6: My first cousin, My first cousin is who Florid Davis.

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Speaker 2: Florid Davis. Okay, she's the one.

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Speaker 6: That adopted them.

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Speaker 2: Were they when they were adopted by and she got

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him at three? Okay?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 17: They lived in California, Okay, okay, And in nineteen ninety five,

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obviously she made this decision to make me the executor of.

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Speaker 6: Her will, which I had no clue about. She passed

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away twenty eleven. There were twenty eleven.

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Speaker 17: It was then when you know, right before death, she

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kind of explained to me, I want you to take

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care of my daughter.

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Speaker 6: Is what she really said.

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Speaker 1: On her deathbed. Missus Allen was most concerned about Linda.

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She wanted to make sure that she wouldn't be out

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there in the world alone. After Missus Allen died, Linda, Brian,

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and Brandon continued to live with their father, but Levonn

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became involved with the family.

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Speaker 6: Well I kind of.

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Speaker 17: Stepped in just a little weird to help him out

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because she did all the bills. Okay, so I kind

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of stepped in and Kenneth set up you know, direct deposit,

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I mean, you know.

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Speaker 6: Making sure the bills got bad.

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Speaker 17: I mean I've always kind of talked to them, kind

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of been in their lives in a sense. When they

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moved to Florida because I taught it, probably stayed up

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in Belgloide.

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Speaker 6: So when on my way.

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Speaker 17: Back, I was stopping lots agchi and kind of helped

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them out with their home works.

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Speaker 6: And stuff that they had to do.

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Speaker 17: But so I kind of always being the one that's

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went involved.

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Speaker 1: Despite levon stopping by to help them with their homework

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and other things, they still went astray all their lives.

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Speaker 17: They've really been on some type of medication, you know,

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like eighty eight or something that when their mom passed away,

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I think they all took themselves off toubely off. So

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if the parents were into drugs or drugs related.

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Speaker 6: So they both Linda and.

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Speaker 17: The boys were kind of in that situation when my

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cousin got them.

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Speaker 1: Then mister Allen got sick and died. That's when Levonn

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became the sole parental figure in their lives, whether she

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wanted to or not.

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Speaker 6: He passed away in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 17: Okay, So at this point, the log Box got a

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copy of The Wheel, so I kind of read it

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and muzzled over it, you know, tried to figure out

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what role am I going to play.

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Speaker 7: In all this.

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Speaker 1: Linda, Brian, and Brandon were all eighteen years old when

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both their adoptive parents died, the ones who had rescued

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them from foster care.

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Speaker 6: Brandon dropped out at tenth grade. Linda dropped out I

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think ninth grade.

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Speaker 17: Brian is on his way to graduation from high school,

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so the rest of them had not finished school.

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Speaker 6: That was the long I mean to me, they just

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didn't do what it was supposed to.

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Speaker 2: His finance.

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Speaker 1: Levon had her opinions on how they were brought up,

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and she was clear the Allens were not good parents.

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Brian was the only one on track to finish high

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school under their watch, but this wasn't acceptable to Levon,

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so she helped coach Brandon, and with her guidance, he

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eventually got his ged. Brian was enrolled at Palm Beach

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Day College and Brandon was at college in Jacksonville studying aeronautics.

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But Brandon fell off the achievement wagon fast and soon

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he dropped out and started getting into trouble.

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Speaker 17: So I said, well, here's the deal, Okay, you got

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to you gotta go to work.

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Speaker 6: I mean there is no option, no other options. You

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gotta work.

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Speaker 17: So for Brandon his condo that was purchased, I said,

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all you got to do is for your light bild.

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 17: I'm taking of everything else, the taxes, everything else, the

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same care of Bovi, the estate.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know what he did when I bought

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the congo. He was there. It was his. I mean

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I'm on the on the mortgage. I mean not the mortgage,

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but the deed. But it was his. Okay.

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Speaker 17: Uh, you know he's called me a couple of times

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with issues, you know, like I need some money. I

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had some money set up for them. I set up

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each one of them account you know, separate accounts. It

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was eight thousand for each one of them. This is yours

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returns one Brandon.

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Speaker 13: Eight eight thousand for eature when they turned twenty one.

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Speaker 2: That was a year year ago.

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Speaker 6: They just started last year they turned twenty one.

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Speaker 11: Quick question, So was there anything if something happened to

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each one of them with that money that they.

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Speaker 6: Have just go into an estate for the next whoever's lost.

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So Linda would get mean powers. Okay, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The Allen children had money, fully paid off condos and

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only their electric bills to manage. That's all. They had

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very little responsibility in life. But while you would think

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this would be a privilege, a upper hand, a starting

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point that was better than most, in this case it

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was a recipe for failure. To Brandon and Linda, who

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dropped out of high school and were only pushed to

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succeed when Levon stepped in without basic life skills, the

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money and homes were little more than fragile bandages. One

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wrong move and everything falls apart.

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00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,279
Speaker 6: The boys is that it's.

481
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 17: Normal for you to not talk to them for a while, So.

482
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 6: Stress for you life.

483
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,839
Speaker 18: I've want got you anything that's negative, and they were

484
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,559
all they immediately save modis on me. Yea, I was

485
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,680
not their parent, and I accepted that I did not

486
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,680
ask for this. I'm going to honor your parents' wishes,

487
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:30,079
but trust me, I am not going to be on

488
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,079
one and daddy right now.

489
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: Though Levin made it clear that she wasn't interested in

490
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,000
babysitting them, there were a few stipulations with the condo

491
00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:43,039
set up for Linda and Brian. First off, Brandon was

492
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:49,240
not allowed to live there period. Second, no other roommates.

493
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,480
I mean, those are pretty clear instructions. So when Levn

494
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:58,759
heard Brandon and Linda's friend Julian moved in, she was

495
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:02,160
pretty pissed. She was pissed that they lied to her

496
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,880
and pissed that she was stuck dealing with these irresponsible,

497
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:07,759
stunted adults.

498
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 6: Do you know what all the roommates they have there?

499
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,559
Just found out yesterday? Okay, I am living Linda.

500
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:16,559
Speaker 2: Who does she say was living there with her?

501
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 17: Well, I specifically asked the question because I went by

502
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,960
there yesterday when I came in, and I found something

503
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:29,359
belonging to But anyway, this friend that Linda has always had,

504
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,799
I saw something belonging to him, and I was like,

505
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:37,200
when was he there? Well, we let him Rent come

506
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,559
in and Rent and I was very recifict.

507
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: I mean when I moved them in there, they had.

508
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,079
Speaker 6: A checklist that they had to sign off on. No

509
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:45,039
overnight guess.

510
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:46,759
Speaker 17: So I had to put rooles in place because I

511
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,680
know they are not responsible, so I put rules in place.

512
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 6: She violated that, and I told her I'm totally disappointed

513
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:53,519
right now.

514
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: The person she was talking about was Julian Levaughn was

515
00:28:59,319 --> 00:28:59,799
not a fan.

516
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,359
Speaker 6: I know the kid. I met the kid before, but

517
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,400
I know he's not good for Linda. And I told

518
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,759
her that, Juliet, have you met him before?

519
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: Of course, Linda was heavily influenced by Julian. Maybe she

520
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,039
had a bit of a crush on him, but whatever

521
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:19,960
he said, she did, she really adored him more than

522
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,119
she did her own brothers. She called him, her god brother,

523
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,400
her broski. I know, I know, I'm sorry. I haven't

524
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,000
cringed that hard in a while either.

525
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,559
Speaker 6: So Linda works too.

526
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:34,599
Speaker 7: She does?

527
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,519
Speaker 6: What does she working? She said, Marshals? She says that Marshall.

528
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 4: She says Marshalls.

529
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh, no, no, no, which Marshalls is one?

530
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,119
Speaker 17: Yes, No, she been there for a while, yeah, yeah,

531
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,400
but she's not working working, not that she's like part time,

532
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:52,839
part time.

533
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 13: Yeah.

534
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,519
Speaker 1: Linda had given up on her ged with only a

535
00:29:57,599 --> 00:29:58,559
few courses left.

536
00:29:59,400 --> 00:29:59,559
Speaker 7: Now.

537
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: She worked one day a week at Marshall's in the

538
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,240
charity program and followed Julian around like a puppy dog.

539
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,559
Sounds like a viable future.

540
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: Does Linda have a Boyfriend's a girlfriend? Needs to be answered, though,

541
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,640
I Does she have any significant she thinks?

542
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 6: So she's a loner. I mean, I've always known her

543
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:27,400
to be a loner.

544
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 13: I mean the only reason we asked is, you know,

545
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:31,839
we were at the house, and you know, we did

546
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,880
look around and in her bedroom there's you know a

547
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:44,920
lot of male male male male's correspondence. There was also,

548
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:47,519
I mean I noticed there was two chargers plugged into

549
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:50,119
the wall, into the you know, they were strong on

550
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,359
an eath each pillow. They were different chargers, so it

551
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:55,960
appears to me that somebody is sleeping in that bed

552
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,039
with her.

553
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,559
Speaker 1: As Levon looked over her bi of the Alan children's documents,

554
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,519
birth certificates, adoptive papers, inheritance records, and photographs, the detective

555
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,079
asked a question that made her eyes bug out.

556
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:16,799
Speaker 6: Do you know anything about Darren Bird? That's another person

557
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:22,680
that was living in the apartment. Didn't mean any thing

558
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,440
that I never even heard that, namely her.

559
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,799
Speaker 1: Really, Levin had never heard of Darren Bird, but Linda

560
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160
told police he'd also been staying at the house. That

561
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:38,000
meant that Linda had three people causing trouble, Brandon and

562
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,960
Darren and Julian. The cops needed to dig deeper. Who

563
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,839
was this Darren Bird and had he been staying in

564
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,440
Linda's bedroom. Both Linda and Julian handed over their DNA

565
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,920
and phones, but as the police interviewed them separately, cracks

566
00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:01,160
in their timeline began to appear. Insisted that they'd stayed

567
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,279
at Julian's girlfriend's house on the Tuesday before Brian and

568
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:10,000
Brandon were found burning on the road, but Julian claimed

569
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:11,960
he'd been out with Friends without Linda.

570
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 5: Then came the.

571
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: Discovery of a cryptic text buried in Julian's phone. When

572
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,359
the police confronted him about it, his easygoing attitude suddenly

573
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,119
went cold.

574
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,559
Speaker 15: Your message in there, you've sent about your house.

575
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: And that you were in danger. That's all about. Oh no,

576
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:35,759
it was with like it was with some other guys

577
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:40,079
that tell us, because it was just they not it's like,

578
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,839
that's it's a dead situation. Well tell us, it's not

579
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,559
really important. I really not.

580
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 7: Let me just say say this.

581
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,039
Speaker 6: This is you're in the homicide unit right now.

582
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: This is serious.

583
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,559
Speaker 1: When they pressed him about the text, his confidence fractured,

584
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:02,640
replaced by a defiant it's that screamed louder than any lie.

585
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,359
He could tell.

586
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: My situation is on some other street stuff. Okay, you know,

587
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,400
tell us about that because maybe it's related that you

588
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,559
don't even know what it's related.

589
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 16: It's basically somebody that I owed money, and you know

590
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:17,480
I didn't pay him.

591
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,359
Speaker 2: The money back on time. So it was just like,

592
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,400
you know, just threat that so much like one hundred

593
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,119
and fifty one hundred and fifteen threats that you don't

594
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:29,359
feel so and in the street is different, you know,

595
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:29,920
what I'm saying.

596
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 16: So when you know somebody has guns and stuff like that,

597
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,440
you don't want to feel safe, you know what I'm saying.

598
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: Julian tried to deny the severity, but the text on

599
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:44,119
his phone said he was scared for his life because

600
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,559
of the one hundred and fifty dollars he owed somebody.

601
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:52,720
One hundred and fifty dollars. That is the price that

602
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,000
some lives matter and some aren't even worth that much.

603
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:02,039
Apparently anyway, it wasn't clear who he owed this money to.

604
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:05,319
It was just somebody from the streets. He explained to

605
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:08,159
the detectives that there was a code of conduct on

606
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,840
the street, no snitching.

607
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 16: I'm afraid that if I do say something about my situation,

608
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,119
I'd rather pay my situation off than say anything and

609
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:20,239
my life becoming danger.

610
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,599
Speaker 2: Because I hear what you're sold, I will Okay.

611
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 15: I've watched the streets longer than you've been in the streets,

612
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,119
and the fact is people do say shit every fucking day,

613
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,760
depending on what's convenient or.

614
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: Beneficial to them. They'll wrap people out, they will turn

615
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:38,320
people in anything. So there is no street code. That's

616
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,119
a bunch of bullshit.

617
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 13: You may believe that.

618
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,159
Speaker 2: For The.

619
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: Detectives kept pressing them, but Julian got tight lipped, locking

620
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,440
up like the safety on a loaded gun.

621
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 2: I'm not willing to give those names. Let me ask

622
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,119
you this. Yeah, when those people came to the house

623
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:53,559
and you just.

624
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,599
Speaker 15: Have to happen to be there and they decided they're

625
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,719
they we have money out of your roommates instead, then

626
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,960
you don't think it's your sue them.

627
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm just not willing to speak about it. I'm sorry.

628
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,559
Respect is not weakness. Do you understand that? Of course?

629
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,519
So what are you gonna say just now?

630
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,599
Speaker 16: No, I was saying, like normally, personally, I don't talk

631
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,639
to police officers just because of my personal experience.

632
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:16,039
Speaker 7: Is sure?

633
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:19,599
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So any light further questions, Man,

634
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:20,719
I'm gonna just happy.

635
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 4: I'm not saying anything without an attorney, president or anything

636
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,119
like that.

637
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,119
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have to take off.

638
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: And with that, Julian took back his phone and stopped talking.

639
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,800
He wanted a lawyer. Before the male detective left. He

640
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,119
had one more thing to say to Julian.

641
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: You made me very concerned.

642
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: Linda, on the other hand, was still talking. I guess

643
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,400
she wasn't from the streets, you know. She explained that

644
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,559
Darren was staying there temporarily.

645
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 15: Evere else has been in the house lately, whether they're

646
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,800
friends of them or friends of yours.

647
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,679
Speaker 2: Past few days, just me and.

648
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,599
Speaker 6: Came by to visit for a couple of hours.

649
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,159
Speaker 2: When then, you love, no one else has been by

650
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,159
at the house at all.

651
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 3: No, not that I know.

652
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: You know, every time every time someone comes and goes,

653
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:11,519
that's logged at the gate.

654
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, well there was Darren, but we all went to

655
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:17,800
Julian's girlfriend's house.

656
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,119
Speaker 2: If Darren Darren come to the house, he didn't come

657
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:23,079
inside and he came to the house. Yeah, okay, well

658
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,360
I need to know that in my house. What con cardass?

659
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Darren troupe?

660
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,079
Speaker 7: He doesn't drive?

661
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,039
Speaker 2: How's he get there?

662
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 17: Girlfriend? O?

663
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: What's con Card's girlfriend? Drug?

664
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 7: A red toyota.

665
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,079
Speaker 1: It's like pulling teeth with some people, interrogating though bad

666
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:44,559
teeth with lots of cavities. Darren Bird was an eighteen

667
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:46,719
year old kid who had grown up in foster care

668
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,239
with Julian. He was also the only white kid living

669
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,199
in the condo. Darren's biological father was a low life,

670
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,000
deadbeat career thief with a record that was a mile

671
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:02,639
long after a domestic violence episode in nineteen ninety seven.

672
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,559
Court records allude that young Darren had been put into

673
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:10,360
foster care. He'd been in the system his whole life.

674
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,800
That's where he met Julian. Darren aged out of the

675
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,480
foster care system at eighteen and enrolled in college. He

676
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:21,000
used whatever little money he got from the state to

677
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:25,639
pay for Linda's electric bill instead of rent. If you recall,

678
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,000
Linda didn't have a mortgage, she was only responsible for

679
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,679
the electric bill. Following the details of his girlfriend's red

680
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,159
Toyota made it easy to find Darren. Darren met his

681
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,800
girlfriend while studying at Palm Beach State College. Her father

682
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:45,559
was a sheriff with the Palm Beach Sheriff's Department, which

683
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:50,639
was investigating the Alan twins murder. Darren repeated the same

684
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,199
story about Brandon that Julian and Linda had, I mean

685
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:55,639
a lie.

686
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,159
Speaker 4: After I heard that that they were missing, Like, I

687
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,559
tried not to go back, guys because I'm scared.

688
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you don't know, right, Like I.

689
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 4: Said, like whatever, whatever's going on like that, this is

690
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,599
not like it's not normal stuff, you know what I'm saying,

691
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,320
and it kind of it freezed me out, you know

692
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,719
what I'm saying. It's just an Like I said, it's.

693
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:20,079
Speaker 2: Not a movie.

694
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:23,079
Speaker 4: This isn't a movie. I haven't even went back to

695
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:25,840
that because I don't know what's going on. I'm like,

696
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,079
I'm afraid to get your clothes. You know what I'm saying.

697
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:31,800
I've been wearing the same fucking clothes for like three

698
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,360
days now.

699
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: Okay, Linda's apartment was nice, so it was lined with

700
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:41,480
cameras and a guard who worked the front gate. Darren's

701
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,920
girlfriend's red Toyota had been seen backing into the garage

702
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:48,159
on the night the police assumed that the twins had

703
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:53,519
been murdered. The car waited for twenty one minutes, then

704
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:58,320
took off. The police had towed Darren's girlfriend's car from

705
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,119
the college for evidence. When she showed up to meet

706
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:05,320
the police, she was not happy.

707
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: You sort of telling me why your car is being told, Well,

708
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:14,960
we believe your cars may have been used and used

709
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:16,400
by Darren.

710
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: To do something.

711
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:21,079
Speaker 3: You believe your car was used in a commission of

712
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:25,559
a crime that Darren was present during. Okay, okay, so

713
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:27,280
that's why your car is in our custody.

714
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 7: Okay, So now I know the truth, can we believe

715
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,079
you can.

716
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: Do whatever you want? Okay?

717
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: All right?

718
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,079
Speaker 6: The only to ask was for what call?

719
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,159
Speaker 3: Oh it's going to be here for a long long time.

720
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,000
Why we believe it was used in a crime. So

721
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:48,800
unless you can kind of help me figure some things out?

722
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,639
Speaker 2: But how am I supposed to?

723
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,199
Speaker 3: Because you know exactly when you talk to Darren, you

724
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,440
know exactly where he was at on sus as such days.

725
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:57,559
Speaker 2: You can't tell me, you don't.

726
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: Darren's girlfriend clinch her lips and sat down in a huff.

727
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,039
The cop needed to know what happened last Monday night.

728
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: Monday night, if you could look at your other, well,

729
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,400
we text each other to do Okay, what I'm saying,

730
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,639
If you're texting somebody at say ten o'clock on Monday night,

731
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,760
obviously you're not with it right. So if you were

732
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,000
to go back through your phone, you could say, oh, yeah,

733
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,519
Monday night, I wasn't with him.

734
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: I was texting him at ten o'clock. He must have

735
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,800
been somewhere else. With that jog your memory if you

736
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,239
were to do that. Problem not because I believe my.

737
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:43,159
Speaker 9: Phone phone numbers and my messages okay, like on a

738
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,239
weekly basis.

739
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so right, no problem.

740
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: What eighteen year old college student do you know, deletes

741
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:56,480
their entire phone history on a weekly basis? Come on,

742
00:40:57,079 --> 00:40:58,559
I believe you're not telling me all the truth.

743
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:01,519
Speaker 2: That's what I'm just trying to sell right now. Well,

744
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:05,239
I just feel like, do not understan.

745
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,639
Speaker 3: That would you have a problem letting us download your

746
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:10,920
phone to get your deleted.

747
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 13: Text messages from him?

748
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: Yes, you would have a problem. Yes, okay.

749
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: Darren's girlfriend refused to hand over her deleted texts, citing

750
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:24,079
privacy concerns. She wasn't under any legal obligation to share

751
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:28,199
her phone, so she didn't. But the cops had her

752
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,639
car and they zeroed in on Darren. The red Toyota

753
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,039
Corolla told them everything they needed to know, and when

754
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:40,480
they opened the trunk, the blood they found was confirmed

755
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:42,639
by DNA to belong to Brandon.

756
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 15: Forensically, we've done a lot of investigation in this case.

757
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,239
There are two people that are dead. This is not

758
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,840
going to go away. We are confident that you are

759
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,760
lying to us now and you know more. So let's

760
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,000
go back to when you actually last saw the brothers

761
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:02,639
and be honest.

762
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: Okay, be honest.

763
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 4: I told you the last time I saw the brothers

764
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:13,920
because like I said, I didn't see them except the

765
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:17,760
night like on Sunday, you know what I'm saying, and

766
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,079
then Monday when I loved for school, is the last

767
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:21,559
time I.

768
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: Seen one of them.

769
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:24,039
Speaker 6: And that's not true.

770
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 11: And I know that's not true, as forensically in other

771
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,960
ways that we do things, we know that that's not true.

772
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 4: So I need you you know the tree, I didn't

773
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:35,840
because I'm trying to tell you what I know is I.

774
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 6: Don't want to know the truth.

775
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 2: I mean, did that picture of that truth?

776
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,199
Speaker 1: The police had searched Linda's house from top to bottom

777
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:48,599
after using luminol. They found bloodstains in the foyer and garage.

778
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:52,920
There were also a pair of sneakers in Linda's bedroom

779
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,400
with blood on the bottom of them.

780
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 15: Darren, I can't impart on you how important it is

781
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,960
that you that you just come out with what you know,

782
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:06,960
what you saw, not this distancing thing that you're doing.

783
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,800
Right now, Let's show you some photos. I'm gonna show

784
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,239
you a picture of a shoe, and so.

785
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: Before we can go further than this, the detective leaned forward,

786
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,920
gray hair disheveled, his frustration barely contained. He could have

787
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,679
been Darren's father with that worn, determined look. But Darren

788
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:33,280
sat there, arms crossed, stubborn as a mule. The detective

789
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:35,800
pulled out a photo and slid it across the table.

790
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: What's that shoes you were for me?

791
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 9: Yeah?

792
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: Nine and a half to ten?

793
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:42,639
Speaker 6: All right? Do you have a pair of shoes similar

794
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:42,840
to that?

795
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,159
Speaker 4: Do you do?

796
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:45,559
Speaker 6: Okay?

797
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,559
Speaker 15: What would you say if I told you I had

798
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:54,519
you on a video. I'm going to tell you this,

799
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,800
I'm well, that would mean that would support us.

800
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,639
Speaker 2: Knowing that you have some more knowledge than you're saying.

801
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 4: I would love to see that video.

802
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: Then, the video they had showed Darren pulling up till

803
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,639
Linda's condo gate and his girlfriend's read Toyota the day

804
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,719
after the bodies were discovered. You saw a cluster of

805
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,239
flashing police vehicles outside Linda's driveway, pulled a U turn

806
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:24,719
and took off.

807
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 15: So there was never a time you came through that

808
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,599
gate and you saw law enforcement down in front of

809
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:29,000
your house.

810
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: That's not true.

811
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:35,039
Speaker 15: We saw you turn around in your girlfriend's car and

812
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:36,960
go back out the gate, and you were checking hold on,

813
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,840
hold on, I'm just gonna give you this a little

814
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:39,280
east egg.

815
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,039
Speaker 2: You security told us that you were there. They were

816
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,679
watching for you. They saw you come down, We saw you.

817
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,079
I actually saw you turn around and go back out

818
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:49,000
in the girlfriend's car.

819
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,639
Speaker 6: So you're not telling the truth, Darren. If you saw that, then.

820
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: I know that didn't happen.

821
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,639
Speaker 9: Really, yes, I do know that didn't happen, because that

822
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,159
I'm thinking about everything that never happened.

823
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:08,519
Speaker 1: Darren walked into the police station the day after the murders, unprompted,

824
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:13,440
ready to give a statement. According to him, he tried

825
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,119
to speak with someone but was told the detectives weren't

826
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:20,519
available a few days past. By then, the police had

827
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:24,679
already talked to Linda, Julian and Levn. They'd even told

828
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,280
Darren's girlfriend's Toyota into evidence. That's when they showed up

829
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,880
at the college to pick him up.

830
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,079
Speaker 9: If I'm going to go in and make a police statement, Darren,

831
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,920
I have finish what I'm saying. Sorry to cut you off,

832
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,639
but no, you're sitting there trying to put something. You're

833
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,440
trying to say some crazy stuff right now, and I'm

834
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:42,239
trying to help you.

835
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

836
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:47,199
Speaker 9: If it was going to if I seen detectives, and

837
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,280
I'm going to see a detective anyways, why wouldn't I

838
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,480
just go and get that out of the lease so

839
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,679
I'm not dragged out of school and maybe look like

840
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,519
a fucking criminal.

841
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:58,159
Speaker 2: Hey, Darren, on a night these two guys were murdered,

842
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:03,800
you were seen at a location. Okay, I will tell

843
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,320
you that much.

844
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 6: Where was I I want to know what happened that night.

845
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 19: I do not know, I said.

846
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:16,119
Speaker 1: Darren wasn't going to crack. His fight against the evidence

847
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:20,000
was as solid as the table between them. The blood,

848
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,280
the sneaker, the car. It was all closing in. He

849
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,440
had an excuse for everything. But Darren wasn't staying strong

850
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:34,239
in an attempt to only save himself. He was protecting

851
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:40,119
someone else, someone he loved way too much to betray.

852
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,199
Brian and Brandon Allen had been found murdered and left

853
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,199
to burn on the side of a highway in Palm

854
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,000
Beach Gardens. The Allen twins lived with their adoptive sister, Linda,

855
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:26,880
and two other products of the foster care system, Julian

856
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:33,599
Catherell and Darren Byrd. Everyone, even the Allen Children's executor

857
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,800
of the estate thought the murder had something to do

858
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:42,159
with Brandon and his enemies in Jacksonville, but new evidence

859
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:46,440
had pointed to Darren and Julian. Julian first played at

860
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,320
cool with the cops, then they dug into his record.

861
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,480
He was the only one with jail time under his

862
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:57,480
belt and carried himself like a street wise, tough guy,

863
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,199
a reputation he clearly enjoyed. In twenty sixteen, he'd been

864
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,880
arrested for carrying a loaded gun without a license, and

865
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,239
he was still on parole when the murders happened. But

866
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:13,239
despite being on probation, Julian asked for a lawyer and

867
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,360
that was it. They had nothing to tie him to

868
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,039
the crime. Then Linda was called back to the station

869
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,559
like a lost little child. She slumped her head and

870
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,800
arms on the desk and spoke softly.

871
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: So, you said you last spoke with Darren Lenz Saturday.

872
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,079
Come on, give us a little more of that. You

873
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:38,199
spoke about more than just a movie he watched.

874
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I was going to tell him that they

875
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,320
I didn't like. So they say they identified the bodies,

876
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,440
and then he just kind of ran going on about

877
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,159
a movie and it kind of just pissed me off,

878
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,920
like he just the way he is, he just made

879
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,440
me mad, so I didn't really want to talk to

880
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:52,000
him all long.

881
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: Indians.

882
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 15: I mean this is these are your brothers, and you

883
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,280
didn't have a conversation with Darren that one of your

884
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,119
roommates about.

885
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: About your brothers. I mean, come on, straight up, come

886
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,760
on the hold back.

887
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:15,679
Speaker 15: I mean you said you said you're down here on

888
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,159
your own. You must be down here because you're concerned.

889
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:23,800
You want to assist us, obviously in the murder of

890
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,719
your brothers, right yeah or no?

891
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 13: Yeah?

892
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 15: Okay, So honestly, you know, I don't believe that you

893
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:33,719
didn't talk to him about this.

894
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,679
Speaker 1: Linda was weak. The detectives could tell that someone had

895
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,320
fed her a story to repeat, and somewhere along the

896
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,679
way she messed it up. Now Here she was a

897
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,480
ninth grade dropout who worked one day a week at

898
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:53,400
Marshall's being questioned about her involvement in the murder of

899
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:54,760
her twin brothers.

900
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 10: And we went into your apartment and there is a

901
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:04,440
a lot of evidence that we found in that apartment.

902
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 6: And I need you to be honest with me what

903
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:08,840
happened to your brothers, because.

904
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:09,119
Speaker 7: I know that you know.

905
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: Hold on, okay, this is the situation.

906
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 15: You're either part of what happened or you're simply someone

907
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,440
that knows about what happened. Those are the only two

908
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,519
things that I believe that you are. We don't tell

909
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:25,639
you the evidence that we have, and I'm sure you

910
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,079
know we went back in there. We got a search warrant,

911
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,039
and we recovered an amazing amount of evidence.

912
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: Linda pressed her hand to her forehead. She closed her

913
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,800
eyes and shook her head like the information she knew

914
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:43,800
would somehow magically fall out and disappear.

915
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:48,599
Speaker 2: Just talking to me, talking to everybody, going to discuss

916
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:51,559
where are your phone?

917
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 6: We have a search work, we.

918
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:59,559
Speaker 2: Have search I don't want to know, and I'm just

919
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,000
going to explain how a searchment works. We can take

920
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:04,239
everything that you deleted in this phone and it will

921
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,000
be recovered. We do it all the time. We're not planned,

922
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,159
We're not going away.

923
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: Linda handed over her phone and the male detective left

924
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,360
the room to extract what he could. Left alone with

925
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,519
the female officer, Linda started to open up.

926
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 7: I won't say that I know how this works, how

927
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,599
what works? How would I say who did it? Without

928
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:33,360
them saying that I told him, like, if you always

929
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,119
do find out who didn't, can you just say you

930
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:36,639
guys cleaned up really bad?

931
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 6: And Linda doesn't know that I'm not. I don't tell well,

932
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,239
I'm not going to tell them that you said anything.

933
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 11: Okay, if you are in fear for your life, that

934
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,719
something's going to happen to you, I'm not putting you

935
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,400
in danger, because then guess who's homicide.

936
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 6: I'm going to be working. I don't want anything bad

937
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:55,880
to happen to you.

938
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 11: I want to put these people away so they can't

939
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,960
hurt you or anybody else, because what they did to

940
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:05,199
your brothers is absolutely disgusting.

941
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: Linda looked down at her hands and then sighed. She

942
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,760
knew she was safe to talk, so she did.

943
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 7: For a long time ago, after her parents died, Branding

944
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:25,159
had on her dad's gun and listings things from years ago. Okay,

945
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:28,840
I didn't know how the whole payment they meant, but

946
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Julian had bought the gun from Branding, I guess for

947
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:37,119
one hundred and fifty dollars, and he never gave him

948
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,719
the money for it, so he made like a payment

949
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:41,480
plan or something.

950
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: Along with the money and the apartments. Brandon also had

951
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,000
inherited mister Allen's gun with his possessions. He sold it

952
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:54,519
to Julian, who was eventually arrested for carrying it around

953
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:58,719
without a license. But Julian never paid for the gun.

954
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,960
So when brand and then came down from Jacksonville, he

955
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:06,159
wanted his one hundred and fifty dollars, but Julian kept

956
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:11,679
brushing him off he'd pay him. Soon, the tensions mounted,

957
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,000
and Julian the.

958
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 7: Nflrobation, the police, the Sheriff's to family, Damiser's, the house

959
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,679
and na founding Darren refounder and Julian's back okay, and

960
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,519
then like Julian went to jail for for five days

961
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:28,519
and said it low Darren's calls and when he wasn't

962
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:30,960
jelling me and shouldn't really the only ones concerned and

963
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:34,119
trying to do something apparently, so Julie and Darren weren't

964
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:35,840
trying to and it really because him off. He was

965
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,199
supposed to be myself far brother.

966
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,519
Speaker 1: Julian was like Darren's older brother. They were four years apart.

967
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,679
They'd been shuffled from Foster Home to Foster Home and

968
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,000
tandem and they had stuck together through it all. Linda

969
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:54,360
said that now there was even more tension in the house,

970
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:58,440
and that's when Brandon asked Darren to help him buy

971
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,159
a shotgun.

972
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:03,199
Speaker 7: Came to Darren to buy a shot then fifteen hundred dollars,

973
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,000
so basically do off of Julian because he didn't give

974
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:06,440
him money.

975
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: Julian found out Brandon was trying to get a gun

976
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,159
to hurt him, and this weird gossip chain brought Darren

977
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,480
and Julian back together. That's when they decided that Brandon

978
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,039
was actually the enemy in the house. Meanwhile, Brandon was

979
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,239
not shy about his plan to kill Julian over one

980
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,239
hundred and fifty dollars.

981
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 7: Oh, I'll put a nigga throw and they sleep and

982
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,599
new and this and that, and I'm like, wow, he

983
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,039
used to try to do the same thing to mean

984
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,159
when we were kids, okay, and then it's like and

985
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,480
it's just like it kind of hit Julian there. It's

986
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:39,360
like he put two and two together, like wow, he's

987
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,199
really like that, and he's like it was only then

988
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:48,239
like they they stopped fugling at Brandon like period because

989
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,719
they saw how he was. And he eventually got three

990
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,920
hundred and fifty dollars from Brian. He bought three hundred

991
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,440
and fifty dollars from Brian to get the shot und

992
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,360
of it. Yeah, okay, and it's like everything was starting

993
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,000
to come to lif so and maybe even worse. When

994
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:06,639
Julian overheard Brandon on the phone talking to somebody about

995
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,119
doing something to somebody and threatening people's lives and inking

996
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:13,280
the shopping at a dumb show.

997
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: Darren and Julian thought that Brandon was going to kill

998
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,039
them both, or at least that's what they told Linda. Meanwhile,

999
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,679
Brandon steered clear of everyone and created fear in the house.

1000
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,480
Julian wasn't one to accept fear, especially from a kid

1001
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,960
his own age, another alpha male trying to take his

1002
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:38,760
place in the house. No, no way, ain't gonna happen.

1003
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,079
Julian texted a photo of the gun that Brandon had

1004
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:44,360
sold him to his girlfriend.

1005
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 6: And she wrote looks used as fuck.

1006
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 7: Lol, that'll work.

1007
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,039
Speaker 1: Julian wrote back, it is lowell, but shit as long

1008
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:57,639
as it knocking nigga off his feet. It's a quote. Guys,

1009
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:02,679
try controlling your emotions for once, but testosterone, rage, resentment,

1010
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,360
and rumors swirled around Linda's condo until she just couldn't

1011
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,119
take it anymore. They called a roommate house meeting.

1012
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 10: I had on.

1013
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 7: Texted Brian told him, Hey, we need to have a

1014
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,320
talk in the garage and it's about Brandy.

1015
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:21,199
Speaker 1: Linda, Darren, and Julian went into the garage and waited

1016
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,960
for the twins. Julian had the gun in his pants,

1017
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,599
Linda knew it, but said nothing. When the twins came in,

1018
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:37,159
the arguments started. Linda tried to play motherly mediator, but

1019
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:42,320
her desperate cries were ignored and things escalated between Darren,

1020
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,599
Julian and Brandon.

1021
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:48,519
Speaker 7: You guys, please, I'm begging you to just listen to me.

1022
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:49,079
Speaker 6: Please.

1023
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 7: I was begging God to let them just shut up

1024
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,239
and listen to me for once. You guys don't ever

1025
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,360
listen to me every time I tried to sell something.

1026
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,559
And then they just talked about how like whatever I say,

1027
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:02,719
doesn't he build his Billy Brian house to YadA yah yah.

1028
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:04,320
So I threw my hands up.

1029
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: Linda started to make her way to the door. Then

1030
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,239
Julian pulled out his gun and fired it at Brian.

1031
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 7: Julian of the pistol, and there, I did not believe

1032
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:20,840
shot my bill.

1033
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: Stomach Brian staggered backwards, his breath hitching as the bullet

1034
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,400
tore into him. He was the first to be shot.

1035
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:34,880
It was ironic, really, since he'd been the one man

1036
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:37,480
in this fight who barely had a voice.

1037
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 6: He got shot? How many times he got shot in

1038
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:45,760
the stomach? His stomach? Okay? And did he say did

1039
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:46,760
he die right away?

1040
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:48,519
Speaker 20: Or you know?

1041
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 7: He was look scary. I couldn't even think straight after that.

1042
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:55,159
I just saw my brother get shot. I don't know

1043
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:58,719
what to do. And it's like I heard the second

1044
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:04,039
shot in Brandon got shut my arm, and I guess

1045
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:07,639
he tried to leave. I don't know how Darren got

1046
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:13,800
back inside, but Brandon tried to put back inside, and

1047
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:16,760
Daron pushed them back down there.

1048
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,159
Speaker 4: And I felt like I was in a horror movie.

1049
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:24,559
Speaker 7: I walked out the back door and I just kept walking,

1050
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,880
and I heard another gun shot, and I just kept walking.

1051
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: Paralyzed with fear, Linda burst out the back door and

1052
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:39,000
walked aimlessly through her condo complex. She walked and sobbed,

1053
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:43,559
pushing the tears angrily off her cheeks. She had nowhere

1054
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:48,840
to go, no one to run to. Brandon and Brian

1055
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:54,760
were dead. Julian was all she had left, so she

1056
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,840
turned around and walked back to her condo.

1057
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 7: I was barefoot that day was cold outside, and I

1058
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,280
didn't know where I was going. I just didn't want

1059
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,920
to be there. And then around the time I got

1060
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,079
to look on the door, everything was quiet, and.

1061
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:12,599
Speaker 4: We and Darren came down.

1062
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 7: I was shaking. I couldn't think straight.

1063
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:18,039
Speaker 13: And then.

1064
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,119
Speaker 7: They said, come on, we have to get out of here.

1065
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,039
Speaker 1: Linda followed Julian and Darren as they led her through

1066
00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:29,599
the back of the complex over the gate. The three

1067
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:32,760
ran until they reached the back of the target. They

1068
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,840
waited until Julian said it was safe, and then they

1069
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,559
returned home.

1070
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 7: We went inside, but I didn't want to look inside

1071
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,440
the doorage. I went into the close the door and

1072
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:46,719
I upstairs. I felt sick to missed on.

1073
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 4: It, and I wanted to be asleep.

1074
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:49,559
Speaker 2: I was really tired.

1075
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 7: I couldn't go to sleep. But they were going to

1076
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,519
try and clean it up, and they talked about getting

1077
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,559
all the bedspreads and everything, and they were getting gathering

1078
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:03,719
up the bedspreads. So they pulled wrapped the bodies up

1079
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:07,760
and bring them upstairs. I didn't want anything to do

1080
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,320
with it. After that, I was just praying to gather

1081
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:11,760
to make the pain out of my head.

1082
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: Julian and Darren told Linda to close her bedroom door

1083
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,760
and stay put. The boys worked together, stripping bed sheets

1084
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,400
to wrap the twins' lifeless bodies. One by one, they

1085
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:29,440
dragged them upstairs, the weight of their actions heavier with

1086
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:33,320
each step, and dumped them on top of each other

1087
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:38,800
in the master bathtub. Brandon and Brian's bodies mirrored how

1088
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:44,119
their lives started. Two brothers tangled together as they had

1089
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:45,440
been in the womb.

1090
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 7: As I was coming in the room with the stissy

1091
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:51,000
the bat them to open. Darren looked at me and

1092
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,079
saw how hard I was, so he closed the door.

1093
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:57,400
I was really angry, Like I couldn't even express how angry.

1094
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: I was, although she was angry. Linda let Darren and

1095
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:05,320
Julian into her room after they had finished cleaning up

1096
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,880
the crime scene. The three curled up in Linda's bed

1097
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,480
together and fell asleep, knowing they would have to take

1098
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:14,440
this to the grave.

1099
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 7: Not bris with all I had left, And to be honest,

1100
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,199
I'm still kind of holding a grudge against.

1101
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 14: Him for that.

1102
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: The one hundred and fifty dollars that Julian owed Brandon

1103
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:30,519
was the alleged street business that Julian would not elaborate on.

1104
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,559
For the detectives in the vague text on his phone,

1105
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:38,159
they had discovered his motive for murder, and he knew it,

1106
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:42,880
so he shut his mouth and pleaded the fifth. Julian

1107
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:47,159
was the only seasoned criminal in the bunch. When the

1108
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:50,119
murder was done, he told Linda and Darren to delete

1109
01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:53,880
all their messages. He instructed them to use WhatsApp to

1110
01:01:54,039 --> 01:01:57,239
text about anything having to do with Brandon or Brian.

1111
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:00,360
He thought he was clever enough to get away with murder.

1112
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,960
He scared Linda into silence, convincing her that if any

1113
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:08,519
of them went down, they'd all go down together. He

1114
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:12,840
thought she'd never talk, but when the cops gave her

1115
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:18,320
the option, she told the truth. Julian was never her godbrother.

1116
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:23,639
He was just an opportunistic user who took advantage of Linda.

1117
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:28,440
Whether she saw this or not, the goodness still left

1118
01:02:28,519 --> 01:02:32,480
in her made her tell the truth. Finally, So you.

1119
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:35,079
Speaker 15: Told us all this because it's true, and this because

1120
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:37,639
your two brothers are murdered and you want the people

1121
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,000
that did it to come to justice. Yes, Why are

1122
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:46,679
you telling this because we've maybe you tell tell you no, it's.

1123
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 7: Not fair to Brandon and Brian that they lived like that.

1124
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: So you're saying this because you're terrible. I can see

1125
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:54,599
it's just.

1126
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 7: But like nobody understands how I feel right now.

1127
01:02:57,639 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 15: I don't know what you're feeling because my brother's not

1128
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,960
that it must be horrible. I don't know what you're

1129
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,760
going through. It's got to be terrible. And these are

1130
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,719
people that you more or less trusted. You feel betrayed,

1131
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:10,039
don't you.

1132
01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:11,599
Speaker 7: I didn't know he was going to do that.

1133
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:16,679
Speaker 15: You've been scared for a little bit, haven't you?

1134
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 7: After that? I barely had talked to him and Darren

1135
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,400
I didn't even want anything.

1136
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,239
Speaker 2: Have they contacted to today either of them?

1137
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:31,079
Speaker 7: No, not Darren, but Julia just act like said his

1138
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:32,360
usual he good morning.

1139
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:34,599
Speaker 2: Does he know you're going to come down here today?

1140
01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:35,320
Did you tell him?

1141
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:40,159
Speaker 7: I don't recall, and he hasn't added, So don't.

1142
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:43,159
Speaker 2: Don't tell him that you came down here today.

1143
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:47,599
Speaker 1: Linda said she was afraid Julian would kill her if

1144
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,559
he knew she told the truth. The detectives promised to

1145
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:53,679
get her on a plane to Georgia to be with

1146
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,440
Levaughn as soon as possible, Linda said, shaking as the

1147
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:02,639
detectives took her phone again extract the deleted evidence. Then

1148
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:04,440
she piped up with a question.

1149
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,239
Speaker 7: But if you guys do recover anything, you guys aren't

1150
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:10,440
gonna make it be deleted. You guys can recover because

1151
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:11,800
there's some stuff that I deleted.

1152
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:15,639
Speaker 2: And want it back. Yeah, recover everything.

1153
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 7: You had texted me on my birthday and told me something.

1154
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,559
Speaker 2: Well, you tell you on your birthday.

1155
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,079
Speaker 7: You know you're getting older and you've done a lot

1156
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:32,039
for this family and how much they appreciated it. Me

1157
01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:34,440
and Brian we went three years about talking to each

1158
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,280
other in the house ones.

1159
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: You know, stuff like that makes me happy with Linda.

1160
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,239
Brian and Brandon may not have had the best upbringings

1161
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,280
or parental figures, or they may not have even come

1162
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:53,159
from the same bloodline, but they were family. Now Linda

1163
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:58,280
would be out in the world alone. With Linda's confession

1164
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,280
and hand, the detectives turned to Darren. They needed him

1165
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,960
to unravel enough to pin the murders on Julian, but

1166
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:10,400
Darren was as unyielding as he was devoted to the

1167
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:14,840
only brother he'd ever truly had. Maybe it was the

1168
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:18,920
guilt Julian palinum over those five measly days in jail,

1169
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:22,280
or the endless need to prove he was worthy of

1170
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:27,840
Julian's respect. Maybe it was their age, their skin, or

1171
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,599
maybe something deeper. They were two fatherless boys lost in

1172
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:37,000
the shuffle, fumbling through life and trying to figure out

1173
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:41,360
how to be men in all the wrong ways. It's

1174
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,440
tough out there for young men in twenty twenty five.

1175
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:48,400
And don't you forget about it. Don't minimize it, don't

1176
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,199
laugh about it, don't pretend it isn't a problem.

1177
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:53,719
Speaker 6: It is.

1178
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,039
Speaker 16: So you could just.

1179
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 12: Step up and be honest with us, because you're going

1180
01:05:57,519 --> 01:05:58,920
to go down for somebody else's shit.

1181
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:02,639
Speaker 6: Have a criminal record you do not have. You're not

1182
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,519
a bad person, You're not a bad kid.

1183
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 2: You're saying you didn't do something. Tell me what you saw.

1184
01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 8: I didn't see.

1185
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,199
Speaker 17: I was not I was not there.

1186
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:19,159
Speaker 1: Three detectives question Darren for over six hours. He denied

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knowing anything. His ability to lie under pressure was impressive

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for an eighteen year old, but the detectives played Linda

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and Julian against him, saying those two had agreed that

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Darren committed the murders.

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Speaker 2: They have done this to you.

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Speaker 15: You got put in a position by this guy here,

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and you're.

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Speaker 6: Not the bad You're not the bad kid.

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Speaker 2: You're the loyal one. He brought you in here, and

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you're misplaced loyalty.

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Speaker 15: You're screwed. You're not giving yourself an out. Hey, I'm

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just being giving you fatherly advice. If it was my son,

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I want him fighting for himself in this, not sticking

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up for somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Just saying, But Darren knew it wasn't true. He was

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loyal to his promise to Julian. The truth goes to

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the grave. Darren was free to go, and in the meantime,

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they found his girlfriend and served her a warrant for

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her cell phone.

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Speaker 3: All right, is that your cell phone?

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Speaker 13: M still warrant for your cell phone?

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Speaker 2: Okay, here you go.

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Speaker 1: There's a copy of it.

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Speaker 13: We're taking your cell phone once we get it downloaded.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we're keeping it or not.

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Speaker 14: What it is is.

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Speaker 2: I think after we copy it fully then we'll be

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able to get it back to you. I'll have to.

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Speaker 3: Consult with the attorney and see what's going on.

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Speaker 2: But well, I'll do my best to get it back

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to you.

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Speaker 1: Darren's girlfriend stood dumbfounded as the police confiscated her phone.

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Speaker 7: You didn't come here and give me a warn.

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Speaker 17: If you never give me a heads up and say, hey,

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we're gonna take your life, like who am.

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Speaker 7: Supposed to car?

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Speaker 14: Would you like me to call your dad and say, hey, Joe,

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because I.

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Speaker 12: Think he's an asshole, and I don't know what you

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told him, but he's really bitching about like thinking, I'm

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like the same thing that you told me.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'm telling the truth. He thinks I'm not telling

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the truth to be asked and telling him to keep

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his nose out of the investigation because it's not his place.

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Speaker 1: Darren's girlfriend's phone revealed that she actually had no involvement.

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The night that the bodies were dumped, she was texting

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Darren crazy messages that read like novels, so angry that

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he was late returning her car with the blood evidence,

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video footage, DNA and Linda's confession Darren and Julian were

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looking at murder and tampering with evidence. Only fourteen days

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after Brian and Brandon were murdered, Darren and Julian were

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separately arrested. Julian stayed quiet, but Darren asked to talk

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to a detective one more time.

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Speaker 2: Was go on, if you asked to.

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Speaker 7: Talk to me?

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, I have a question.

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Speaker 4: So I know all the shows are and stuff, but

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how does witness protection actually work?

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Speaker 6: Why?

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Speaker 2: Just can I just ask you? Why have you been threatened?

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Speaker 4: Or I'm to this out of the question right now,

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I'm asking how does witness protection work?

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Speaker 2: And hey, let's say I did have something to say.

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I need assurance. I need assurance.

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Speaker 1: The detective sat in his chair while Darren stood before

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him like a subordinate, getting the courage to ask his

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boss for a raise that he knew he didn't deserve.

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Speaker 2: Do you understand that you're being charged with murder? Correct?

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You understand that? Okay, so you're not You're not going

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to be outside of the jail at all. Okay, Okay,

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you're going to jail.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: So you've been charged with murder.

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Speaker 1: But it hadn't done on Darren. He thought that if

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he finally told the truth, there may be some golden

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ticket of freedom for him. On the other side that

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was never on the table. Darren was going to trial

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and possibly life in prison. He was still terrified to

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tell the truth for one reason. Julian, I'm scared to.

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Speaker 7: Talk to.

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Speaker 6: Nothing's going to happen to you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know, all right, nothing's going to happen to you.

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Speaker 13: You know, we're we're going to arrest Julian just like

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we arrested you.

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Speaker 6: All right, So he's going to be he's gonna be.

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Speaker 14: Also, you know, in jail, not able to get to

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anybody or do anything like that. Okay, you guys will

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be separating and nobody'll be next to each other.

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Speaker 2: You're going to be in your own little area.

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Speaker 13: He'll be in his own little so you're not going

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to be anywhere close to each other.

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Speaker 6: There's no way he's going to get to you.

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Speaker 1: Julian had put the fear of God in Darren, and

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it showed. Sitting with the detective. Darren let the detail

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of murder slip. He knew the type of gun, he

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helped clean up, he moved bodies, and even drove his

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girlfriend's Toyota to the burn side. Toyota's a great car,

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by the way, not just saying that because they're a sponsor,

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although they have been quite generous. Good preservation of your

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car's value there on resale, usually with a Toyota, just

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saying all right, anyway, sorry, Getting back to the story,

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he didn't drive that Toyota to the burn site and

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did a whole bunch of other stuff, but he just

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couldn't tell the whole story. Every few minutes he stopped,

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his words, catching in his throat, as if two voices

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were warring inside his own head, his own conscience and

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Julian's looming presence.

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Speaker 2: Where did you clean the car out?

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Speaker 3: You didn't come back to the apartment that night?

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Speaker 6: Did you in that car?

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Speaker 2: Where'd you go after? I mean her car back? Where

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did you take it to give her a car back?

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Speaker 13: I met her?

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Speaker 2: Where we were at? Where's where's that.

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Speaker 7: We were hanging out?

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Speaker 4: You know, out of park?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well park?

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Speaker 4: I can't keep doing what because man, I need some insurance.

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Like I'm already scared, bro, I've told you, I've done.

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Speaker 6: I told you, ma'am, I'm gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: But things wouldn't be just fine. And Darren knew it

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as he sat in jail awaiting trial and paralyzed with

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fear that Julian would be friends some goons to come

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kill him in his cell. He had a change of heart.

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All that time alone to think in his cell really worked,

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and on April fourth, twenty seventeen, Darren was taken out

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of jail to get in a police car and drive

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to the corner of Windsor Avenue in Thirteenth Street in

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West Palm Beach.

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Speaker 2: Out here at the time, on the right, down on

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the right, this one right here.

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Speaker 1: In the storm drain, the police pulled out the old

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semi automatic pistol that Brandon had sold Julian, the same

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one he used to murder the Allen twins. It was

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wrapped in a plastic bag and thrown in the gutter.

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They found pictures of the gun in the deleted images

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on Julian's cell phone.

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Speaker 20: You know what he did with the SHELFA.

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Speaker 19: Actually, I may know where one is. Holy shit, I

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also may know where one of their cell phone lose.

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Speaker 1: Darren led police to a spot on Martin Luther King

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Junior Boulevard where Julian had thrown Brandon's cell phone. Despite

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his cooperation, Darren was still charged with murder and a

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slew of other felonies. Julian's trial went first in twenty

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twenty two. He was sentenced to life in prison for

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the deaths of both Brandon and Brian Allen. Darren's trial

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took place in twenty twenty four. He'd grown a thick,

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blonde beard on his babyish face. Darren was sentenced to

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life in prison for tampering with physical evidence and second

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degree murder for Brandon Allen. He was acquitted of the

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murder for Brian Allen. There's one last piece of this puzzle,

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and we need your help to solve it. A video

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was recovered from the night the bodies were burned. That's

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just six seconds long. In the background, you can hear

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the fire crackling consuming what was left of the twins.

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Then a voice cuts.

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Speaker 7: Through the night woo yeah or fire a dare.

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Speaker 1: The detectives can't figure out whose voice this was. It

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didn't quite match Darren's girlfriend, or Julian's girlfriend who had

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a low voice, or Linda.

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Speaker 5: But who am I to say?

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Speaker 1: I'm not a forensic voice analyst. I don't know is

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that a job? Not sure where you would even go

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to get a degree for that, But it sounds like

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a woman was there watching as the bodies were unloaded

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and set a blaze. Was it Linda was her entire

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story of fabrication or is it someone who has yet

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to face justice. The only female owned cell phones the

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police had warrants for were Darren's girlfriend and Linda. You've

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heard both of their voices on this episode. Without knowing

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which phone the video came from, We'll never know, and

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detectives could not tell us when we asked for clarification,

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So I'll leave it up to you, the listener whose

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voice was on that tape?

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Speaker 6: Ooo, yeah never fire.

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Speaker 1: Dan, Brian, Brandon, and Linda were rescued from foster care

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when the Allen family adopted them, But as Levaughn had said,

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their parents failed them where it mattered most. They gave Linda, Brandon,

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and Brian condos and bank accounts in their death, but

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neglected to instill basic life skills while they were still alive.

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But Darren and Julian were entirely abandoned by the system.

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Left defend for themselves, they lacked the guidance every kid needs.

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Maybe things would have been different if his father had

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been a dad who knows, but instead he had only

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Julian to love and fear like a father. Brian also

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looked to Brandon with a certain authority, but I don't

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think it had anything to do with fatherlessness, more so

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wanting to keep the connection to his twin. No matter

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how flawed Brandon was, he was still Brian's twin, and

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in the end, siding with Brandon was the reason he

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lost his life. Be careful where you place your loyalty.

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Sometimes the ones you idolize her just as misguided as you,

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may be, still searching for their destiny, good or evil.

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Well I tried. I tried to make Sword and Scale

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television available on other platforms like Facebook for example, and YouTube,

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but I don't think I can you see all this

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woke shit got me canceled, and there you are. You

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could just be on Patreon and avoid the whole thing.

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I mean, I don't think you guys realized how much

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money it costs to build your own app, not to

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mention how complicated it is. You never please everybody, but

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you know we're doing the best we can here. So

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if you like sort Scale, head on over to Swordinscale

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dot com, check out our website, download our app, and

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01:18:53,359 --> 01:18:56,399
check out our TV show. I mean, there's a whole

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lot of it right now, sixteen episodes. I believe all

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very good, very very good. So here's your chance to

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be part of something. Help us fund it, help us

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01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:14,319
create it from scratch. Eventually, we'd like to have multiple

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seasons spanning many years that we can broadcast to you

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in some way, the general public.

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Speaker 2: That is.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's going to be on TV

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because the future of TV doesn't look very bright, you

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know what I mean. But thanks for joining us once again,

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and until next time, stay safe.

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