Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gym and welcome back to Tress told you, yes,
an impromptu episode. Why why not? Those are the great questions?
But no, it's why because there's lots of things to
talk about, actually funny enough in the Travis realm. But
really it's just the one. I guess right, it's just
the one, and I said i'd try and do a
couple more. Tress told you just before you get here.
I'm sorry there is no video version, so Maddie, before
you hit me up on Patreon, no video version, so
you know careful. Uh No, I just didn't have the
time to set it up. That's that's the thing. I'm
trying to do things. But it's been been a busy
a couple of months. It's been since like we had
that string of the three shows. We got a little
down to me. Even then I had lots of trips
and kids' birthdays. And now they're the same thing, the
three shows. Luckily Power Power has ended. Rings of Power
just ended, so we will, you know, have a bit
more room. But yeah, I'll stop ranting everything because yeah,
pretty much say I want to talk about Joker. Give
a little shout out to Green Lantern that's been cast,
and yeah, that's really about it right now, just just
a mini episode because I think next week we're gonna
be doing venom predictions and all that stuff, So I'll
probably still ask the boys in their opinion for Joker
and stuff, and then we'll get the week two results.
Because that's what's crazy for. What is it the uh
Terrifier three to be projected to potentially be Joker too
in a second week. Now, it doesn't matter what happens,
if it gets close, whatever it may be. The fact
that Joker two and could, first of all, Week two
not win its second week is fucking crazy. But then
also just a huge shout out to that whole crew
there at Terrified. Now they're ever gonna hear about this,
but they're definitely like an inspiration. Now. I don't love
the movies, you know. I love Art the Clown as
a character. I think the actor does a great job
of portraying him, and I get why people absolutely love
the movies. Movies they're like splatter Gore. I'm gonna, you know,
like torture porn stuff. I just issues at the actual movie.
But what I love seeing is that's the same thing
where you can see stuff and go, Okay, you know,
I don't love these movies, but I watch them all.
I go support them. They've got my money. Uh, and
I still like them enough, like they're all they're all
passes for me, right, But for me it's just super
cool where I remember when I saw Art the Clown,
I was on the all Halloweyes, All Hollow Hallow's Eve
poster and I didn't watch it at that point. Half
the design, half the battle more than that, at least
to get you in the door is have a great
character design and Art the Clown has that. He is
such a cool aesthetic, and I do feel like half
of the success has been because that, because people see
that fucking clown and they want to check that out
and they get full credit for that. But for me,
it's one of those things that first, like all Hello
Eve that comes out, I don't even know. I'm not
gonna look it up. I'm not. Terrifier one did whatever,
but kind of got like a cult following, right, Terrify
two came out and everyone was super surprised about how
oh well it did. It did something. I think it
was like eight hundred and eighty five thousand, but for
the screens and where it was very impressive. I think
it went to shut her. Next couple of weeks it
went up. It had that word of mouth and now
the fact this could be eleven million doesn't matter if
it doesn't be Joker or anything like that. The fact
that it's going up that much is super impressive, and
I love to see that in the in an independent
realm because you know, that's what we're trying to do.
We just started and we have we haven't announced it yet.
I'm waiting for there's like another one soon, so I
won't want to do blotches because I don't want to
announce everything. Now. I'm gonna give a little updates patrons.
I'll give you guys and gals more updates. I still
owe you a behind the scenes of our current filming,
so you will get that soon. This is the holiday
weekend for US Canadians, so three day weekend. I will
get a bit more time. So I'm sorry. I feel
like I'm a little short breath right now. I feel
like Cole is coming. My daughter's had it, the lady
has it. I feel like I heard my mom said, like,
oh no, is that what I'm in Because I I
do solo casts, it's a little warmer, but like usually
know like but right now it's like sickness is coming
and I don't want that. But nonetheless I do owe
you guys that. But it's just great. But yeah, we
did get selected for a couple more film festivals, one
Vegas and then where was the other one? Oh? One
in La which is fun. It's been a wild little bit,
right because we got that first one, and then there
was like a bigger one we didn't get into, but
a bigger one where it's like, there's no way we're
getting in this one, but you know, you miss every
shot you don't take, right, So we did that and
then we won, like we got that one for the
New York Independent Cinema Awards. We won that, so it
was really cool. And then it was like three in
a row of just know it. Actually it was four, no, no, no,
it's funny enough. They've all been primarily a Canadian, which
is funny. We've still not been accepted into a Canadian
film festival. I think it's karma for me years kind
of knocking Canadian TV and movies, like Canadian TV movies
that are specifically for us it's just like a little
cheese and I'm like, I don't know, like this like
just sometimes see the stuff that's on our TV. But
you know, I digress. So we're hoping to get that
monkey off our back. But now, yeah, now we've been
accepted to two more and it's just like if anyone
wants to do this, if if you listen to have
any inkling, doesn't matter what age, you gotta prayer, like
you gotta prayer for yeah, you do, gotta pray, but
you just gotta prep yourself for that because it's like
and not like massive highs or lows. Because as I've
said before, the drennic Rome, we were very much like, okay,
let's just hope when we get it done. We did that,
hope people like it, and you know, people do. I'm
sure there's some people that like, you know, are a
little nicer because we're friends or family or whatnot, but people,
you know, we're I think higher praise than we thought.
And then I think for film festival stuff like, okay,
this is uncharted territory. Let's see the fact that you know,
on our third one we had won something all good stuff, right,
So I think that helped you know, it was one
of those things where it's like it was surprising. But
my point is that you got to get used to.
We got selected for the first one we submitted to,
very surprised, so that would be even while or maybe
not at all getting selected right, and then one something
and then four in a row of just no no, no, no, no,
even though you had two. You're like, oh, is this
like a this is like a fluke? Do we just
get lucky with you know, these judges at these certain
film festivals. And then it was we got one and
then twenty four hour later we got another one, so
we'll see. We're waiting for another one as well. But yeah,
none of the no Canadian ones, so hopefully we can
get that off our back soon. But no, it's been great.
So that's what I would just say, is you got
a prep. It's not like a podcast where you get
like monthly stats as well. But I feel like for
us at geek first, what we do primarily is mostly
year where we do like six months. We of course
do like quarterly earning meetings with all of us like
the business owners and talk about stuff and changes and
things that are working not working. But it's like a
big data where, like they said, you'll literally go from
winning award to just four no's in a row and
you're just like, oh man, this sucks. You know. It's
like I'd rather have the like no no, yes, no,
yes no. It's like, okay, didn't get there. But when
it's and it was pretty much all the Settemptmber ones,
because they all of our festivals come up at different times, right,
so when the primarily ones that we all I think
they were all in September that we got these nos for,
it's like, oh geez, tough, tough September. But October's always
started and done better for us there. So but as
I'm saying, that's what I'm just we're gonna talk about
the joker stuff. But it's just great to see Terrifire
potentially doing that numbers. I'm pulling for it because like,
I just want that success story and that's super cool.
So shout out to that team. That's really awesome. Keep
kicking ass. That's uh. You give people that are independent
filmmakers like Hope and a chance, you're like, okay, cool,
you can have a great concept and you never know.
And I'm not saying geek Ferze ever can get to
that level, even just as a film fan. Very cool
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on that day. So what to do about DC? Because man,
it's interesting. Oh, hang on, my mic is not fully
in the I hope that wasn't too loud. My bike
was about to fall. Yeah, so what an interesting weekend
and everything right, And to go back in time to
Joker one comes out surprised. Everybody makes a billion dollars, right,
and they announced the sequel. I was fully on board
and definitely got a lot of people doing that victory
lap now right of well, I said they shouldn't have
made number two, and I was right. Now, granted, I
would say, yeah, okay, you can say you're right. I'll
let you have the win and you might go we'll
trust you're wrong. They shouldn't have greenlight that sequel. As
some of these reports have come out that no, like
Warner Brothers would have been looked like as idiots to
not green light the sequel because it's a billion dollar movie, right,
And I will say the way I always pitched it
is like, well, whatever, if you make it the same
way as the first one and not talking about the quality,
just like the budget maybe a little more. Well, whatever
you make, you'll make a profit, even if you know whatever,
it's not as big as the first one. You'll do that.
And if you look at the prof with the first
one and where this one will probably end up, you
would make that. And I guess I should just say that, yeah,
if you don't know for some reason, because doesn't you
don't fall online or you do just get our news
from us other podcast Joker Too. Joker fully of do
just a complete bomb at the box office this past weekend.
And for me, it's not just about that, it's about
in general as far as what DC goes. Because it
was funny when I thought about this, because I just thought, Okay,
they had a lot of disappointments to bombs, but then
the Batman came out right, so that saved them. Even Joker,
you could argue, Aukaman is a weird one, which we're
gonna talk about. But even Joker, you could argue, Okay,
they're having some me films, but then Joker came out
huge success, right, and it's like, you don't know. Today
in the box office it is the fucking wild wild
West for what's gonna work? What's gonna not work? Credit
to Mike because I think super bad Mic in our discord,
I think he did say it was gonna work, but
like Wicked coming out right, I did not say it
was not gonna work. I just said I'm unsure on Wicked,
where today comes out second best pre sales of the
year behind Dead pulling Wolverraine. So it's like, wow, okay,
there's an audience and you just you never know, and
it's the same thing. And I'm kind of word volving here,
but it's just a lot of things go together. Where
with the musical aspect, actually hang on shelve that for
a second. What I was saying was I thought this
was a good idea. When they were gonna keep the
budget relatively the same and maybe a little more, maybe
you say, hey, we're gonna make it the same as
the first movie. And then you know, walking a little
more gaga, you get some Todd films to go. But
then like that stillouln't equated to two hundred million. I
don't think right, lots of stuff and there's lots of
reports out there, but I thought that. And of course
this sounds like a dumb thing to say, but it's
just obvious when they announced this movie and the whole
crew is coming back, I expected better. Now, I still
gave the movie a pass. I still think there's some
good things in it. I think there's some really bad
stuff in it, but I still gave it a pass, right.
I did not think it would just be giving it
a pass. I think I said on the predictions like
I'm expecting like an eight out of ten, and I
feel to me, if it was an eight at ten
quality movie, it would not have such a big blowback.
The other big blowback because now we can talk about
why what happened and all this stuff and everyone, you know,
lots of articles trying to throw it on Todd Films.
Before we get into the why and what happened. One
thing I'll say is you can argue, like who you know,
who's the one that, uh, who's that fault. I don't
think anybody for this to make a big bike plummet
because they're not the only one that does it, Captain Marvel.
And this shows how I've always said, of course they
had some disappointments, but twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen was
the golden era of the comic book movie. Captain Marvel
makes a billion seg when comes out flops, Alkoman makes
a million seconde comes out. It did better than like
Marvel's for sure. I think it did like all right,
but still with the budget, very disappointing. And now Joker
another billion dollar comic. When you get a sequel flop.
Right back then, lots of people were just wanting to
see that type of genre and if it was just
even good, they'll go see it. And that's the thing
where people talk about the reviews here too. There's there's
so many aspects to this because the reviews people talked
about at first being mixed, right, and I said, well,
that's not an issue because the first one was made.
So it's like a revisionist history that the first one
because of one Oscars was highly praised. It was not
tons of people. I remember talking to people all the
time that did not enjoy that movie, did not like it.
It still had like a sixty nine on rownto mails
for the critics, and then this is like a sixty one.
So I thought, Okay, the mix is gonna happen. But
then it went from mixed to bad to like I said,
pretty poor, right, And that's what's interesting. Where the first
one had a lot going for it. I think it
had different hype as far as the quality, something new,
but it also had that dangerous element. This didn't have that.
It didn't have that mystery box like, oh, this is
the movie people are saying we shouldn't see it, shouldn't exist.
Let's go see it. This is just a Walke Phoenix
is back with Lady Gaga, get a bunch of money.
And I'm surprised. I've had four people now, a friend,
my sister Kyle, who's been on the podcast as a
GV member, and then I'm going to count this guy.
But still, I said on the review, there's a guy
behind us that when the second song hit, I heard
him saying, is this is a fucking musical under his
breath to his friend. I was surprised, and this shows
to me how much were out of the bubble when
you're doing a film podcast listening to them, because there's
so many people. Even Kyle, who used to be a
geek first member, I know he's seen the trailers, was
did not know was going to be a musical. Maybe
people just thought there might be some sections or it
was just joker looking crazy trailers. But there's so many people,
and there's so many people that still go that they're
not a fan. I remember my sister and you when
they do that, and I said, hey, the musical, I
don't love that aspect, but that's not the problem of
this movie. There's much more right. So, to me, you
had the musical aspect, which I think that's what tanked
the cinema score was people surprised people. I think some
people know some lost people just did not like it.
But then the musical aspect didn't help. So again for me,
I thought budget be lower and the quality would be better.
Those things were not the case. But again it's this
thing back to Todd Phillips, where to me, you can't
blame anybody because this was a good idea to try,
because you'd always wonder and it's tough because it's a
push and pull where let's say you go to Todd
Phillips and you say, we want a Joker too, and
Walking pretty much just said that he's not gonna do
a Joker without Todd Phillips. Right, So you go there
and say we want to do this and we're gonna
give you a big paycheck, kick great, and then Todd
also has these other demands. Now that's where it's up
to you as a studio. And I'm not saying they
were wrong to do this. I'm not saying they're wrong
to say, Okay, whatever you want. I don't think it's
wrong either for Todd Phillips to go because I'm putting
all the reports in here this week Todd Phillips, there's
a report that didn't you know, really wanted He didn't
take any notes, didn't do a test screening. I wasn't
listening to like James Gunn pier Saffer, not in that
sense that we're on, but just not not taking notes
and stuff like that. To me, like why like there's
always a case, right, but why should he if that's
kind of an agreement. If they came to him and
said we want this movie, and he probably said X
Y and Z because at first they weren't gonna do
it right, and he probably said, other than the money, X,
Y and Z, I need these things and then you
just say yes. And for me if Todd Phillips because
at the end of the day, I think there's you know,
there's times where they should like the whole thing about
uh directors getting creative control right, because when it's great,
people say, see, this is why the directors should do everything,
and then it's bad, it's, oh, well, you know, the
studio they didn'tet involved. To me, I don't blame Todd either.
He got his big bag and then he got to
make the film he wanted. I can like or not
like that, and we can all like or not like that.
But I'm also not gonna put it on him of
like you give a create of all that money, They're
gonna do what they want, especially if he was like, yeah,
do what you want. And then the studio can't really
blame themselves because they said hey, or they can't blame
themselves because they said, hey, go do what you want.
But at the same time, if you look at history
the first Joker, they didn't have much to do that,
which is weird. Because Warnbos owns it, but they didn't
have much to do with it. There's this whole thing
where Philips had to get different funding from other places
and get da dada da. So they probably thought, man,
we fucked up last time, we didn't have a hand
in this. Let's have a bigger hand in it and
give Philips carte blanche. Right. So to me, it's not
even I don't even look at Phillips and go like
you can go and say, Okay, he made a bad movie, right,
let's just say it's that. I don't think that, but
let's he made a bad movie. Bad directors all make
bad movies, right. So that's the thing where it's just
like he made something it didn't hit. It's not connecting
with the majority of people or the audiences you wanted to.
That's life that happens. Because if it's the other way
around this, mouses will consider great and hit a billion again.
It'd be like, man, yeah, Phillips is, look how fucking
great he is? Right, But he swung any miss and
the whole crew swung a miss, And I don't blame
the studio for doing that, and I don't blame like
all these kind of like hit pieces on Phillips. It's
like he's living the dream of like getting a bunch
of money and pretty much just saying like you got
creative freedom. Well, like what am I supposed to do? Oh?
I shouldn't have done this, you shouldn't have done that. No,
this is where it's something as I go to you know,
my friends at you know, Dave and Scott and even
you know, Chris and Hines and things like that, and
people that like are in this more SIGNI verse sphere
and stuff like that. Right, I always go and end
up working out right because I end up liking Zack
Snyder's Justice But that still came with a whole bunch
of different things. And there's a whole line of dominoes
that have to happen to get us there. But for me,
this incident is Joker one comes out huge hit, wins oscars,
billion dollars. Please make us another one. Then the second
one doesn't work, and then that's why you won't do
through for me. With BVS to Justice League, it was
a situation of Studio didn't like this, Studio is worried.
All these notes they change, they cut out some of BVS.
They're making these changes just leak. That's where I go.
The studio that's on fucking you because you you know rumored,
which we know is just pretty much fact now did
not like the reception of BVS. And then what do
you do, Hey, you want to still direct Justice League,
the biggest r Avengers competitor, you want to do that?
That's where I go. Okay, and I said that shouldn't
have happened. And granted I can say, hey, I was wrong,
because I like Zack Sny is justly right. But at
the time and nothing, that's where it was going. And
there's many other things right because at the time we
also didn't know this was supposed to be just like
a five film thing. It was being pitched as this
is the new universe. That no, this is not a
good direction for the whole universe to go. So that's
where I go, Yeah, the studio made the right call,
and if or sorry, they didn't make the right call.
And that's where they fucked themselves where they are mad
about certain things and yet da da dah, and again
it all worked out. But to me, that was their fault.
They could have nipped in the butt. There would have
never ever been a release of Snyder cut A lots
of executives wouldn't have headaches if they just got rid
of ac Scenter. And I'm glad they didn't because a
lot of things happened. But that's where I say that
that's on you. I don't say about the studio, and
I don't say that on Todd. What's he supposed to do?
What's the studio supposed to do? You know? And if
it's something of like, hey, we're gonna give you more money,
but we want you to stay within this budget. And
if he says no, and they say, well, if you
you know, don't accept this, we're not making the movie,
and he stands by, what else can you do? And
to me, I, from a business standpoint, understand why they
took the risk. It's just a risk that did not
pay off for multitude of reasons. And I'm in shock.
I you could have told me, hey, it's gonna do
a lot less than the first one. But we said
a couple of weeks ago predictions. I said, I think
we all said this is not gonna be a Captain
marble auckamand situation. And I even said, oh, if it's
good enough, I could still see it hitting a billion,
because that first one was controversial, where this is controversial
for I think different reasons. Of course, there's tons of
people that think Joker wanted just a bad movie, right,
but I think there's definitely more so this go around.
And I'm shocked how low like when people are saying, hey,
long Legs might make more than it domestically the Joker too.
That's fucking crazy. And that's just it shows we're in
a time where nothing's guaranteed, and I'd love to I
don't think I have the time right now, but I'd
love to look at billion dollar movies in their sequels
because we have a few, and not a bunch of
them still do this, right, Like Spider Man, the Avengers
still on made a billion of Spider Man Far from
Home Knowing Home a billion, Dark Knight, Dark Night Rises.
It happens a bunch, but still you have this last
couple of decades of you know, Alice Wanner that make Civilion.
Let's make another one flops. We talked about Awkamn, we
tab about Captain Marvel, we talked about uh this one.
Now there's like another Disney one. I think something like that.
People are the same thing with him Fossil. What's gonna
happen there? So it is interesting. I think it's just
a storm of bad shit for Joker and this movie
and everything in between. But it's just I it's and
that's why I think there was an article. I think
it was Holy Reporter It's like why heads won't roll?
And I was like, yeah, like they it was a
no brainer to me. Now you could argue that there,
you know, could have said, hey, don't do musical, but
what if again Todd says, no, we want to make
it a musical, and they go, well, like, we don't
think we'll play Well, then I'm not doing the movie.
What do you do? Because then it'd be their verse
The whole time you'd be thinking about that what if?
And now you know, at least right now you know
it's it's kind of like the Flash thing where when
Flash was coming out, and that's when James Gunn just
had got the flat like the DCU, you know, and
Peter Saffron got the DCUED gig. It was always like shit,
like what is gonna happen? Like he's all these plans,
but what's gonna happen? You know? If the Flash comes out?
Does really well. We hit those same thoughts about Black Adam, right,
and then they both came out and just kind of
like flaundered and you know, died on the hill. So
it's like, oh, you don't need to worry. Kind of
same thing here there could be and that's where we'll
get find out with the Batman coming up, but that's
where it could be. Imagine this movie makes a billion
and then Superman comes out makes like a five six hundred.
David's ashole might be like, man, did we get the
wrong guy? Because they talked to Phil's about being the
head of the studio, right, Oh, do we get the
wrong guy? But it's kind of like another like whoosh,
Like that was close. But that brings us to just
DC overall. Now, I'm not trying to say that DC's dead.
DC can't be revived yet, dada all that stuff that
you'll see in the big headlines, right, but I do think,
you know, there is a a pattern, and maybe it's
just a sense of bad luck, bad timing. It's not
that they haven't had hits. But I want to bring
up DC films all the way from let's go to
Wikipedia from about twenty nineteen to now, So I'm gonna
count Joker as the not typical, like as their last,
as the big hit here, because that's why it's stuff
that's like such anominally sometimes right where sometimes things just
happen like this will be just bombing the fact that
Captain Marvel Auckaman Joker make a billion in their sequels
fall flat, look at Justice League, because this is always
my point, right, That's way it makes no sense. You
got after BVS other than one Woman, the DCU starts
to go down. Squad's massive hit but starts to go down.
I actually don't know was one Woman even a bigger
hit than Squad. I thought it was one Woman made
eight twenty four. Yeah, and then Suicide Squad made seven
forty six. So after b is still going up, and
then Justice League happens for me showing okay, we've not
liked what's happening. Then Auckeman hits a billion. You would
have think after Justice Le it keep going down, and
it doesn't. But then after that all these things start
to happen. So I'm not gonna count Jazam because they
made Jazam too, and that was like a like a
decent hit, right, made it's budgetback made some money. But
let's talk about since Joker, And this is what's super
tough because there is COVID right in the middle of it, right,
but you get Joker billion dollars. Kay, Bird's a prey disappointing,
a flap one Room's two said squad, I'm not going
to count because it wasn't COVID and they also released
it on Mac, So very tough time. You got Black Adam,
which you know, rock and say whatever he wants about.
You know, biggest opening film of his career, doesn't matter,
it underperformed, didn't do it great. Jazam fur of Gods,
we know that happened, didn't do great. The Flash major disappointment.
That's like, I think Joker is a bigger disappointment than Flash.
But still that was like another like wow, huge Sinker,
Blue Beagle. I remember what it end up making. But
by the end of the day, they're still making an
animated sequel, right, not a film sequel. Yeah, Budget one
oh four one five, box office one thirty, that thing
lost money, Awkman and the Lost Kingdom. What did this
end up making? I think it was like five hundred right, Okay,
two hundred to two fifteen box office of four thirty four.
But we know because they reshot that thing like twice marketing,
that thing probably just broke even didn't lose money just
talking theatrically, not sales after on Max, streaming, other places,
et cetera, just box office and the budget all alone.
And then you get to Joker, and that's the same thing, right,
So that brings us with an obviously it didn't count
backgro That brings us to I'm gonna count Birds of Prey,
I'm gonna talk Black, Adam, Shazam, Flash, Blue Beetle aukamand
Joker fully a dupe. So that is seven seven movies. Now, again,
we don't know what one Woman, three and Susaid Squad
could have been. It could possibly be eight to nine
on this list, right, but let's be fair take him out.
Anyone that uses that as like a gauge of how
DC's doing, that's to me not the right gauge to
use that. That just feels like a shaman argument. Right,
But seven films since twenty nineteen have come out and
either disappointed, under whelmed, or just flat out flopped. And
that's where it's like, I'm gonna do the same thing
with Marvel MSU specifically, not fucking Sony films because they
you can say they do count, and that's fine. I
would accept it, But let's look at the real competitor,
like big dog in the room, right, because they're also
having issues. It's not like they're perfect. Right, let's see it.
Where are we here? Okay, so we're gonna go same
thing twenty nineteen because that's what it's like to me.
Endgame and Joker are like the end of the Golden Era,
and then obviously COVID happened, so we don't know, but
both of them had issues, right. I think DC had
a couple stinkers. MCU had a problem with some new films,
new leadership in the TV side. So let's take a
look at the MCU from twenty nineteen and on. Okay,
so Black again, that's tough because MCU they held off, right,
So that's the thing like with MSU, they're like, it's
tough to even count twenty twenty one, because I did
the same thing for that because like Black Widow Eternals,
it's tough because they were underwhelming, right, But like I
would say, yeah, we don't really have a good gauge
for MCU because they kind of sat off. But even
then you had ant Man and The Marvels. Right, even
if you were to count let's say we count those
other movies, right, Black Widow's tough because they had the
day and date sung she was a hit eternals, I'd
say that wasn't a hit. And then Spider Man hit
Doc Strange hit Thrower Love and Thunder hit Black Panther hit,
ant Man, Wasp not a hit, The Marvels not a hit,
so you only have three. So that's the tough thing
where they it's they had a bigger problem though of
like critically, and then also the shows right and that
they did hold back, So it is tough. It's not
a fair comparison to make with those ones. So that's
where we just don't have the same data. But that's
where to look at just DC alone. Seven films since
twenty nineteen have had, like I said, a mark of underperforming,
disappointing flowp whatever you want to call it. And that's
where I go like, is it a DC thing? Because
the only film I did not mention was The Batman, right,
And that's where it's just like I can't even say
that Batman two is safe as far as like a success. Now,
I would think that because unlike Captain, I would say,
if you look at the quality, even though the Batman
did not make what those films made, I would say,
generally around people, when you talk about the quality of Joker, Captain, Marvel,
and Aukaman versus the Batman, most people I meet are
gonna put the Batman on top of that list, right,
So you kind of have that hope that Hey Pass
and Stars Building Penguin's doing well. Everyone really liked the
second one. I think more universally that's gonna carry over,
and I think it still will because also the thing is,
and you never know, because now I'm like, he could
fucking bomb, And I've always said about Superman, I think
Batman has a better chance of doing well. But I
thought the same thing about Joker. Right. The thing is
with that movie, it's still the Batman, aka a Batman movie,
right flash. It is tough because you multiple Batman in there,
but still a Batman movie. And I think enough audiences
know now that when they see people in movies, like
when Ben Affleck is in a scene in a trailer,
they know, Okay, it's he's not gonna be in there
a bunch, right, So for me, Batman I take out
of the equation because Batman is a big property. It's
the same way we talk about the MCU. If they
start to bomb and things don't work, spider Man will
make money. X Men will probably make money. You just
won't see your sung cheese, your chances on Guardians, right,
They'll stick with the biggest ip they got. So I
don't really put Batman in the conversation. It's a hip,
but Batman is its own island on itself. There's like
Batman and then there's DC. Right, you can make that
argument with spider Man and maybe you know Iron Man
stuff like that. Maybe just Spiderman, but so you make
that argument, but I think with Batman and DC it's
even more specifically you can see the fork in the road.
So for me, one, let's hold the Batman two does well,
But seven films, that's really tough. And I think it's
smart that you know, they only had the one DC
film this year, there's a longer break in between them.
But I really I've said this before. I just I'm
repeating myself now. But with Superman, I could see it
thinking a billion dollars. I could see it just doing good, define,
I could see it flopping, and I really don't know,
And I just I've said before, I don't know if
people want to the universe. I don't know if people
care about Superman and especially the universe thing. That's something
where you know, listening to the gimmick. Last week we
had an episode It's wrestling podcast I do with the
s Pubs and David always great time. I agree with
this is there's you know, two companies and the rest
of out of the Vegas WWN AW. Now I'm not
gonna get the whole breakdown, but there's something where AW
is getting a lot of momentum, right and because of that,
you know, other net the network, you know, executives whatever,
feel you should have another show and another show. With WWE,
they have a huge roster, lots of stars, and their
main shows are Ross, Mackdown and NXT, and all these
superstars are divided like the MC. Right, there's big events
where they Avengers get together, but then they break off
and do their own thing. So that's kind of similar.
So I'm trying to make the comparison here. So I
often wonder now with if this Superman fails. I do
think a reason might be is because what happened with
AW where I fik one of the failures were why
ratings and stuff have been going down a little bit.
Is people maybe wanted, you know an I wanted, and
I think this is a good concept. I wanted a
different wrestling show. I want a different product. But I
don't know if I wanted to know another wrestling universe.
I was fine with every Wednesday watching AW great, but
then it became well, rampages on Friday, Well, collisions on Saturday.
Well if we have a pay review that's on Sunday,
and then there's all there a special special. It's like
three shows a week, and it's like and for a
a few years, just one. And that's where I wonder
with DC, if it's just people. Obviously the MCU is
having some tough go rounds too, right, but people might
just go, you know what, I have one superhero cinematic universe.
I don't necessar I sarely need another one. I don't
want to follow all the shows and properties and the connections.
I don't want to see all the end credits. I
don't want to play homework. I don't want to do X,
Y and Z because I already do this Marvel and
I'm happy there. Now your hope is like with me
and aw where hey ww started to be very shit
and I look for somewhere else. Right, So that's where
either two things, either DC and one is gonna have
to hope that, Hey, Marvel has some more misses and
people are looking for a combook universe. Great, we're right here,
or we make something that's so good, so undeniable, they're
gonna look over here. And that's where we don't know.
We don't know how Brave New World's gonna know ausse
Dead pull them over E one great, but that's like
a Mulligan. That's a cheat because that's using off a
lot of nostalgia and Jackman and Dedwell who built their
own houses over there at Fox, right, we got Cif
four goes, Cap goes Thunderbolts, I really don't know. And
there could just be the argument, what if people are
down in the cinematic universes overall, that could be we
could I would honestly, I don't think it's out of
the realm possibility. If Superman underperforms, does all right, and
the other films are the same thing and endgay I
was talking about with Chris and a private chat just
we're talking about some rumors we didn't want the g
Way to see just in case, you know, don't want
to spoil peop or whatnot. And you know, we just
talk in general about stuff usually, and we're going back
and forth about you know, and our Doomsday and Secret Wars,
And to me, it's like I somehow think like both
films are guaranteed a billion, but I don't think they're
guaranteed to like save or reboot the ms in a
good way. I think it'd still be like Rise of
Skywalker wor Sure it makes a billion, big hit, but
it's kind of fractured and left a lot of people
empty and mad. The same way as like, again, they're
just rumors, but people you know, specifically going out there
and saying stuff like and it's just for comic fans, right,
but it's like, yeah, Doom's not really going to be
a read rival, and really this is just kind of
gonna be like it for Doom. He might not be
in the MCU going forward, and it's like, man, that
kind of sucks, you know, and I've always said this
that you need your GA people, but you also still
need to keep the hardcorese happy. To the point where
my sister asked me, hey, should I see Joker too? No?
And she's okay. If my brother, whose two favorite characters
are Batman Joker, is saying should I go see you
in the theaters? And I say no, the word dies.
It takes that. Oh I know a nerder geek. They
say yes, I love it. Then I tell all my
friends are in the ga yeata da da. You also
you need a bunch of people online right or on board.
Doesn't always happen. Look at the Transformer movies that pure
general audience. So at the day you still need more
general audience. But I still think you want that good
word of mouth right And for me, Cecar Wars and Doomsday,
there's a chance that those are like Rise of the Skywalker.
They divide the audience, people get underwhelmed and they're done.
I I guess five years, I said, right, so we're
in twenty twenty four. Yeah, and then what so Doomsday's
twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, So that might be
a bit too much, maybe not so, hang on, math
for a second twenty five, twenty six, seven, eight nine, Yeah,
I'll stick with it five years. I could see by
twenty twenty nine three we could be back to just
the Batman's, just Ramy Spider Man's. And not that I
want it, I think there's I wish we could have both.
I want DC and Marvel to do more else worlds.
I'd love it if I he said, Hey, we're making
an Iron Man movie. But guess what, it's not Robert Downey.
It's a different I man. We're just doing a one off.
This is a pure story, not set up for any
universes and adventure of Iron Man. I go great, I
don't need to worry about where the Avengers are, where
is to connect? Just a great imn story. Do a
full on, really mature Demon the Bottle. Don't gotta be Radar,
but just do Deeming the Bottle. Right, Oh, that'd be wonderful.
But I think if the DCU has some hiccups, and
I think if Secret Wars and Dooms they don't fucking hit,
I don't think they got to hit the same way
as far as Endgame and in Findy War like that quality.
I think it has to hit, though, Avengers, that first
one where I know some people look back on now
go oh, it's not that good of a movie in
a you know, it looks like a TV show. Doesn't
matter to me. That was a moment that felt like
a win. That felt like people that were comic fans
and even Gap are like, how are they gonna do this?
Four characters and different movies coming together? It was sun
shitt unknown. Right, it doesn't have that factor, but when
you came out, people had a good time and it
felt like a win. It's like, man, I want to
see more of that. That's what you have to do
with with en gay or sorry, I keep wanting to say.
I'm just saying, say five and six for Avengers, you
gotta come out and be like, I love Marvel, I
love these characters great. I think even if you come
out and hit ultron level, that's not good enough. If
the Phase four that was very powerful. If I'm sorry,
I feel like there's I'm trying to get my body there.
If Phase four and five worked, just like you know,
nothing's flawless, but let's say it had the reputation of
Phase three, right, and even phase phase two not so much.
But Phase three okay, varying degrees of kali, but overall
everything's passed and very strong, and you have some of
the best films there. If you do that, that's how
I think Ultron came out. And to me, it's just
like a it's a fine. I think I've always even
like A seven at ten, like it's good, it's fine.
But Avengers movies should not be that, right. The crossover
movie shouldn't be like, oh, it's good, it's fine. I
know some people defend that movie all the power to
you of being like a great movie, but they could
do that because they had other stuff going on Winter Soldier.
I still think Ironman three was a hit for them.
Controversial fans with with GA people now, I think they
love that. Right, you had Dark World, I don't know,
but then you had Guardians, so you still had a
relatively very good pace. And then maybe it's still like, oh,
like a decent, good time Avengers movie with this because
it's been a rocky road. I think if you get
the decent good time Avengers movie, not so much. And
I think they both have to be great. You have
to have Dooms. They'd be great to get on on board.
Downy and then with Secret Wars you have to end
it super strong. So I know this is kind of
bit off the Joker Bandwig and the DC band Wing,
but I think they're linked where I could see in
like I said, five years, comic moves are back to
just the big characters and it's not connected universes anymore, right,
or it's a very like Phase one MC. We're like, yeah,
they're kind of connected, but very very minimal. Right, you know,
see Nick Fery, see Agent Colson, but they don't talk
and unless it's the crossover, right, And I don't know.
And that same thing, like is the is it just
a string of bad luck? Right? Like, let's look at
these these movies, right, Like, let's see Birds of Prey
reviewed relatively well. Still don't understand that one, Harley Quinn
as soon as that squalls a big hit, Margot Robby
had a bigger star, don't understand it. You know, Black Adam,
we understand that one, you know, we understand not a
Grace movie flash. Same thing I don't understand. Now, I
don't understand I Peep didn't care about the character. I
don't think that Azra Miller controversy hurd it that much
but maybe it did. Maybe people didn't still were liking
these characters. You have something, we're the same thing. If
you told me, if you would show me the box
office receipts a Beetlejuice and Joker, I would have said, Hey,
that Beetlejuice box office seat. That's definitely Joker too. I
guess it didn't perform as well as the first one,
but that one hundred million opening weekend, Yeah, that's Joker too.
Eh No, that's Beatle Juice. Joker Too is gonna finish
less than that. So that's where it's like, Michael Keaton
still got some pole. I'm not saying you'll just gonna
be billion dollar movie, no, but it's like still some pole.
Flash the poll poll lists not there. Because that's why
I with Beal, just like I don't know if it's
gonna be a hit. People seemingly didn't care about my
own Keen come back as Batman, but they loved them
to come back as beel Juice, right, Blue Beatle. I
think that was like, that's a comic book fatigue of
like we've seen this before, Shazam. That's another comic fatigue.
One Joker we talked about These reasons could be you know,
musical aspect, build made, didn't want to sequel, uh maybe people,
or just just heard the word of mouth. A bunch
of different reasons, right, So there's not like a clear
cut like all these movies to me have been bad.
There's been some winners as far as the reviews and everything,
but it doesn't matter one way or another. You've had
seven movies in the last five years do poorly and
they're all DC movies. Even fucking Sony has their Venom movie, right,
and I guess you could say, well, DC's got the Batman. Yep,
they do. That is a win, absolutely, But Batman's always
been a win pretty much other than Batman and fucking Robin, right,
so take him out of the equation. Same thing. That's
what we always say about Sony. Well, they're shit thing
other than Venom and animation. I put animation separately. So
we look at live action, Well, Craven comes out, probably
not gonna do well, Morbius comes out not good, box
office failure, mad Web, same thing, but we got Venom
and Venom twos or Venom three. Is like the tracking
has gone down a little bit now. If anything, I
don't want people to not succeed, but like, if it
has to happen to another movie, let this happen in
Venum three, because like, there's no wake up call here
with Joker. That's what I've said before the first one review,
like over first one one fuckings made a billion dollars.
They were not wrong in green lining that sequel, Venom.
They're not wrong in green lining those sequels because they
make the money they make Cheddar. But if this one
on her performs, let's say it has like an Aquaman,
Now I can say Joker to Captain Marvel situation right
comes out, big, big letdown. I would hope that Sony
would go okay, didn't make as much money and the
quality is just not there. Peple don't love as much.
We need to really refocus. Where with Joker too, I said,
there's no lesson. They had all the green flags to land,
and they try to land, plane crash, but they try
to land. And two it's just well that didn't work
onto the DCU. There's no repercussions. There's no like man
walking was gonna do a third No, it's just that's it.
They wash your hands of it. And even then at
the end of the day if you were to put
the two budgets together, because like, let's say Joker, because
what is Joker, fully I do right now? Right fully
da dah, and taking out the whole Warner Brothers didn't
make as much money on the first one because they
had the bad contract and they didn't believe in the film.
Let's just say overall, when you look at it as
far as the situation, right, So right now, Joker box
office at one twenty one, so let me be nice
and say that it's going to make two hundred million, right,
and then I think Joker was just over one billion
or something like that. So let's say it made one
point two billion. Let's say you put both films together
one point two billion. Great, and then let's high end
it where you go, Okay, Joker two has a budget
of two hundred million, and then you go it d
D D dah. And then Joker one had a budget
of fifty to seventy. So let's high end it, right,
Let's go plus seventy, So that's two hundred and seventy
million dollars. Let's say they made one big film and
they split it into two kill bill style, right, that's literally,
you just get to under nine hundred million. When you
put the box office for Bob film together and the
box aw and the budget for both films, you get
to nine. Let's just go right down nine hundred. Now,
let's say you gotta double it, right, So let's say, okay,
so that's two seventy. Let's say both the marketing for
both of them, for some reason was double. That gets
you to five forty. Okay, that still gets you to
like half a billion dollars of profit overall. It sucks
for Joker too. Of course they'd want be a bigger
hit money, but when you look at it, you go,
we want some walking one on Oscar. It was a
surprise movie in five ten years. People aren't really gonna
talk about Joker too. You know why because Joker one
happened with the Marvels that killed Captain Marvel franchise with
with the Acaban, that was another nail the coffin for DC.
For Joker, it was like a cherry on top. And
that's why I think it's not like a big deal
for them. It does suck because they spent money, and yeah,
they screwed up the first time. They didn't get as
much money as they wanted because they didn't believe that film.
But still as that team, you should look and go, well,
we made about you know, five to six hundred million
in profit, pretty fucking good, and there might be more
of that, but still around that pretty good. Superman when
we go to this about like DC, I don't know.
I it's there's only so many times you can see
a hoofprint and not think it's a horse. Right, there's
so much times you can see smoking Nott think it's fire.
And Superman is the test because I will say as well,
I'm on the fence with I'm on the more positive
side with birds and Prayer, birds and Prey, Birds of Prey,
but uh, I'll put these ones in back for this conversation.
Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman, the Suicide Called, which I
think was good reviewing people liked it, but here people
love it. Right, Black Adam, Shazam, The Flash, Blue Beetle, Aquamana,
Joki Filiyer. Do one thing none of those films do
have is I think even if they're liked, it's more
of a mix or it's like people like Blue Beetle
or you don't even really enjoy it. But I won't
say no one because I know Clay if you listen,
is mad. I will say a majority of people. If
you were to pull people and give me your top
ten com movies the last ten years, those movies I
just listed off gonna be very rare to have one
of them, if not multiple. In the right I might
have Birds of Prey, but I don't think I would.
And again I took Batman out of the conversation because
it's separate, right, So for me, that's where Superman is.
All these films have never been universally loved that mega
praise like a Guardians of Galaxy Volume one, And that's
where James gunn like literally has to deliver. Now, this
is where I will say, if he comes out and
delivers and it's a big hit, then I go, okay,
that was maybe the issue. They just weren't straight, and
you not every film has to be that way, right,
But it just sucks when you got a string of
film after again and again and again. It's just like fuck,
like they're mixed and they're not hit money wise, Like
what's going on here right? MCU has that going on
right now where it's like deadpoll Wolverine big it. Let's
say Cap comes out disappoints, but then it's like, well
we just had a big hit, so okay, DC. Other
than the Batman, it's just a constant like some people
like this, some people hate this. It makes this amount
of money, but not enough. It's like good, it makes
a little bit of profit. It's it's never like there
you don't have this strong, strong winner. Joker was their
last one. And that's again another connected Universe movie, right,
so to me if and it's tough, right, because a
good movie does not equal box office success. Blade Runner
twenty forty nine is a fantastic movie. One of the
best sci fi movies out there. It's a fuck in
the first one, right, fucking bombed, right, doesn't doesn't matter,
not all the time. Sometimes yet lucky that word mouth
gets out there. But let's just say Superman comes like
Guardians and it hits big. Then I will go, okay,
maybe it is just they needed something with very strong
positive reaction, because if you want to bring the Batman in,
the Batman got that right, very strong word of mouth,
big hit. So if it if Superman makes like six
hundred million, that's a hit. I know people will go well,
you know, Man's still almost made seven hundred million, so
all the big hit But for me, it's like, no,
that's a hit. That's what they need. That's a good
starting point for me, especially nowadays with so much in there.
Lots of people for COVID don't see movies. I digress.
So if it's reviewed greatly, not just good greatly, and
it's a big hit, then I'll go, Okay, maybe that's
what they just needed. They needed a universal one, a
universal hit, and not every film can be that, That's
what I was trying to say with Marvel. But as
long as you get one at least every couple of years,
you can kind of live off that and people will
give you like a bit of a benefit of doubt.
I think that's a lot of MCU right, there's a
lot of just like fine to good films in there.
But because everyone like at least maybe once a year,
I'd say for sure two years, you'd get like a
big event that would pay off as far as like
a big event film, and the quality would pay off
and people to come back for more. And that's what
Superman needs to be. If Superman. There's a lot of
equations to this right, because it could be, like I
said before the universe, it could be that people don't
care what Superman. But it also could be that, hey,
this comes out and let's say it gets Guardian review
level praise, people love it, Peple talking about being a
top ten comic, boomy Man, Jim's gunn did it again
and underperforms, flops whatever. For me, I think Superman is
the true test of what the DC brand is going
to be going forward and what potential it has. Again,
Batman is bigger than the brand because let's say Superman
comes out, flops, and then the Batman of the year
two comes out and the like or the next year
comes out of there. Everyone goes see d She's not dead.
You know, how can you say Doc's dead, Peacemaker was
a hit, Penguin was a hit. Like those are great things,
but that the TV show hit versus a movie hit
and being a big brand very different. So to me,
if Superman comes out, does well as far as critically
fan wise, but still underperforms, and it's that conversation of
is this universe gonna work? Is it you know, financial
financially smart to go forward with it? I think it's
a DC thing, and then you just need to like
wait again, you just have to wait. You got to
do films that are by themselves. I wouldn't want that.
I'd want them to continue with their universe. We're just
about to talk about that Green Lantern casting to end
this episode. But for me, it's like, how do you
justify it or the other thing people have thrown out
there where you start selling them off not like a forever,
but to license to be like, hey, Apple, we will
let you make a Superman movie, and we'll cut it
this way yet to Dada, but we can let you.
And so I go, great, We'll make that Superman movie
because I just if Superman under reforms, it really feels
like this is a DC thing and I want to
go forward because and like I said that that's pretty
much a Joker. I think I've talked about everything. I
need to talk about crazy time not to not have
my Bengal cards. But again, it just makes that era
when it's like, oh, it's like Joker won such anominally, Well,
that time was an anomaly, like I said, that's why
it was goal. Agent of the Combook movie twenty sixteen,
twenty nineteen, Like the Marvel's Aukaman shouldn't made a billion
dollars after Justice League, but it did. The Marvels kept Marvel.
No one knew this character. It's just like a fine movie,
billion dollars. Joker had all these risks, billion dollars, right,
it was a wild time. But I want some man
to do well because we got Aaron Pierre cast as
John Stewart. So I think I may have seen him
in a few things, but honestly, he would just been
like a side player or something like that. But I
did today. I've not fully finished it, so forget me.
Because there was an action scene come out for the
ending I did. I want to watch it full tension,
but I got twenty five minutes left to go, so
I've seen what I need to see. And yeah, I
could understand why people he was the fan cast, and
I could understand why people wanted him. He looks the part,
he acts the part. Especially in Rebel Ridge. It's more
like a somewhat military type of character, and that is
John Stewart. I love the John Stuart character. As I've said,
Howe's my green Lantern. I said, I grow with him,
probably just because I read more comics with him in him.
But John stewartt also grow with with because the Justice
League animated show, right, And for me, it's just like
it's a it's a perfect casting. There are some people
pushing back saying like, oh, James Gunn just says like
the fan casting stuff, but it's like, one, that's not
the case. It's the case with maybe a couple characters,
but two doesn't necessarily mean it's it's always wrong, you know,
Like I think Dave Corns what's gonna be great? I
don't know that, but I think he's gonna be great.
And this guy, when I watch Rebel Ridge, I go, fuck,
he feels, he looks, he sounds, he has the aura
of what John Stewart would have. So that's really cool.
And again, my only hang ups with this show is
the idea that they are investigating a mystery on Earth
now that could lead to space, that could lead some
cool fights on Earth maybe, but it just sounds like
what I want from Green Lanterns is the exact opposite
of what the show is pitching. But they confirmed him,
They confirmed Kyle Chandler. I think that's gonna be a
great pairing. Again, I just saw Iron Bear in the
rel Ridge, I said, if he gets casting on to
watch it. It was on my list but went higher up.
And he's great. He's got chrisma for fucking days. He's
got such a badass attitude. He's a sexy looking motherfucker.
My god, like this guy has all. I can see
why Clay Patroon Clay want him to be bond. Absolutely.
I see your vision, sir, I see it, but that's
not gonna happen now because he is Green Lantern and
they like to get their own stars there. So yeah,
another great cast. It sounds like that's gonna start filming
in January. There's other rumored people out there. Kyle Channlan
being confirmed. That's great as well. I would have still
liked Olafont more, but from what I've seen in just
Rebel Ridge and then Kyle Chandler, I feel like Chandler
and uh A Pierre would have a better chemistry. Is
that like Buddy copp mentor mentee sort of thing where
Olafont I don't know why I think you good. Maybe
it's just I don't know if it's the size. Kyle
Chandler is not bigger than Aaron by no means but
there's just maybe he has more of a dad or
which also doesn't make sense because last season Justified, Old
Font played that like he played a more cooler dad,
And that's where with how I guess it's more Kyle
Chandler can do it. I think a better veteran grizzled
where you know, you look at Railing and Raylan Gibbons,
he was you know, he had the grit, but it
was like a more smooth type of grit. And Aaron
he kind of feels smooth right where I think if
you got someone that can play the up and comer
and I just want to learn and I am a badass,
but like I still need a lot of guidance. I
don't get that vibe from Aaron. So that's where I
think the Chandler thing is better of like a hard
nose learner, where I don't think like the smooth cooperator
as like old Font maybe would have played him and
maybe not. I he could have played him darker, but
I just think the pairings better. So no, it's good.
I'm excited to see what they keep. So we got
our two members, justly got Corn Sweat as Superman. We
got Aaron Pierre as Jon Stewart and Corn Sweat and
the other movies i've seen him. I really like him.
So the potential is there, and that's why I want
Superman to exceed very well, because I want to see
these characters get together. I want to see what the
stories they could do. Green Lantern again, maybe not a
fan of the concept, but the casting. I think both
those are great choices. So that's it. And I think
they've been great with their casting so far, even Guardians
like that's something him and his team did very well, right,
even though he had help, right because he didn't even
want to have Chris Pratt to do an audition and
then someone convince him that he watch went wow, this
guy's great, right, so, and James Gunn said that because
I was like, oh uh, did you watch Rebel Ridge?
And that's a like, I don't know, maybe it helped
because like the movie was a hit on Netflix and
people were praising him a lot, so like, hey, he's
building up some stock, but I like this said no,
his screen test did, and it's like, yeah, that's really
what's gonna come down to with like a bit more
newer actor. So congrats to him. I hope he blows up.
I hope this is a big role. I hope the
show's good, and again I hope DC prevails. But yeah,
I think that's it here for today, just a mini one,
just just an under our one. I will be back.
I'm gonna do an episode probably right before so in
two Lives or in Two Lives, two weeks right before
Extra Life, I'll do one because you know, we like
to get episodes out there to remind people. Plus we'll
be getting near the end because November December is when
I'll be out of here, and then I will do
unless twins do come very early, I will be doing
a last Travis told you in November to kind of
send off my run here for a little bit, and
then I will be out of here. I'll be with
the two babies. Hopefully everyone'sill be happy and healthy and
with the mama, and that's what I'm gonna be doing.
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