1 00:00:01,439 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gym and welcome back to Tress told you, yes, 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:12,640 an impromptu episode. Why why not? Those are the great questions? 3 00:00:12,679 --> 00:00:14,519 But no, it's why because there's lots of things to 4 00:00:14,599 --> 00:00:18,359 talk about, actually funny enough in the Travis realm. But 5 00:00:18,399 --> 00:00:20,239 really it's just the one. I guess right, it's just 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,440 the one, and I said i'd try and do a 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,559 couple more. Tress told you just before you get here. 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,320 I'm sorry there is no video version, so Maddie, before 9 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:29,960 you hit me up on Patreon, no video version, so 10 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:32,359 you know careful. Uh No, I just didn't have the 11 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:33,880 time to set it up. That's that's the thing. I'm 12 00:00:34,039 --> 00:00:38,840 trying to do things. But it's been been a busy 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,560 a couple of months. It's been since like we had 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,759 that string of the three shows. We got a little 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,520 down to me. Even then I had lots of trips 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,920 and kids' birthdays. And now they're the same thing, the 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,320 three shows. Luckily Power Power has ended. Rings of Power 18 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:54,560 just ended, so we will, you know, have a bit 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,840 more room. But yeah, I'll stop ranting everything because yeah, 20 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,640 pretty much say I want to talk about Joker. Give 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,039 a little shout out to Green Lantern that's been cast, 22 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:07,680 and yeah, that's really about it right now, just just 23 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:09,719 a mini episode because I think next week we're gonna 24 00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:11,519 be doing venom predictions and all that stuff, So I'll 25 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:13,799 probably still ask the boys in their opinion for Joker 26 00:01:13,799 --> 00:01:15,439 and stuff, and then we'll get the week two results. 27 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,599 Because that's what's crazy for. What is it the uh 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,920 Terrifier three to be projected to potentially be Joker too 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,519 in a second week. Now, it doesn't matter what happens, 30 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:29,560 if it gets close, whatever it may be. The fact 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,640 that Joker two and could, first of all, Week two 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,200 not win its second week is fucking crazy. But then 33 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,439 also just a huge shout out to that whole crew 34 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:42,519 there at Terrified. Now they're ever gonna hear about this, 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,120 but they're definitely like an inspiration. Now. I don't love 36 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:48,879 the movies, you know. I love Art the Clown as 37 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,079 a character. I think the actor does a great job 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,560 of portraying him, and I get why people absolutely love 39 00:01:54,599 --> 00:01:58,040 the movies. Movies they're like splatter Gore. I'm gonna, you know, 40 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,519 like torture porn stuff. I just issues at the actual movie. 41 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:03,519 But what I love seeing is that's the same thing 42 00:02:03,519 --> 00:02:05,239 where you can see stuff and go, Okay, you know, 43 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:07,120 I don't love these movies, but I watch them all. 44 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:09,599 I go support them. They've got my money. Uh, and 45 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,199 I still like them enough, like they're all they're all 46 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,199 passes for me, right, But for me it's just super 47 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:18,719 cool where I remember when I saw Art the Clown, 48 00:02:18,759 --> 00:02:22,560 I was on the all Halloweyes, All Hollow Hallow's Eve 49 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,199 poster and I didn't watch it at that point. Half 50 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,759 the design, half the battle more than that, at least 51 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,639 to get you in the door is have a great 52 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:34,800 character design and Art the Clown has that. He is 53 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,479 such a cool aesthetic, and I do feel like half 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,439 of the success has been because that, because people see 55 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:42,159 that fucking clown and they want to check that out 56 00:02:42,199 --> 00:02:44,919 and they get full credit for that. But for me, 57 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,240 it's one of those things that first, like all Hello 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,879 Eve that comes out, I don't even know. I'm not 59 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,560 gonna look it up. I'm not. Terrifier one did whatever, 60 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:56,639 but kind of got like a cult following, right, Terrify 61 00:02:56,759 --> 00:03:00,000 two came out and everyone was super surprised about how 62 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,520 oh well it did. It did something. I think it 63 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,400 was like eight hundred and eighty five thousand, but for 64 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:07,719 the screens and where it was very impressive. I think 65 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:12,080 it went to shut her. Next couple of weeks it 66 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,199 went up. It had that word of mouth and now 67 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:16,960 the fact this could be eleven million doesn't matter if 68 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,360 it doesn't be Joker or anything like that. The fact 69 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,560 that it's going up that much is super impressive, and 70 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:24,840 I love to see that in the in an independent 71 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,400 realm because you know, that's what we're trying to do. 72 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:29,280 We just started and we have we haven't announced it yet. 73 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:31,840 I'm waiting for there's like another one soon, so I 74 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:33,960 won't want to do blotches because I don't want to 75 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,639 announce everything. Now. I'm gonna give a little updates patrons. 76 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,960 I'll give you guys and gals more updates. I still 77 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,280 owe you a behind the scenes of our current filming, 78 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,719 so you will get that soon. This is the holiday 79 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:47,000 weekend for US Canadians, so three day weekend. I will 80 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,919 get a bit more time. So I'm sorry. I feel 81 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:52,639 like I'm a little short breath right now. I feel 82 00:03:52,719 --> 00:03:56,800 like Cole is coming. My daughter's had it, the lady 83 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,719 has it. I feel like I heard my mom said, like, 84 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:00,479 oh no, is that what I'm in Because I I 85 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,960 do solo casts, it's a little warmer, but like usually 86 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:08,319 know like but right now it's like sickness is coming 87 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,599 and I don't want that. But nonetheless I do owe 88 00:04:10,599 --> 00:04:12,439 you guys that. But it's just great. But yeah, we 89 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,120 did get selected for a couple more film festivals, one 90 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,399 Vegas and then where was the other one? Oh? One 91 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:21,600 in La which is fun. It's been a wild little bit, 92 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,480 right because we got that first one, and then there 93 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,680 was like a bigger one we didn't get into, but 94 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,120 a bigger one where it's like, there's no way we're 95 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,600 getting in this one, but you know, you miss every 96 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,040 shot you don't take, right, So we did that and 97 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:33,199 then we won, like we got that one for the 98 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,279 New York Independent Cinema Awards. We won that, so it 99 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,399 was really cool. And then it was like three in 100 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,480 a row of just know it. Actually it was four, no, no, no, 101 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:44,879 it's funny enough. They've all been primarily a Canadian, which 102 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,279 is funny. We've still not been accepted into a Canadian 103 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:50,399 film festival. I think it's karma for me years kind 104 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:53,519 of knocking Canadian TV and movies, like Canadian TV movies 105 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:56,480 that are specifically for us it's just like a little 106 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,800 cheese and I'm like, I don't know, like this like 107 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,079 just sometimes see the stuff that's on our TV. But 108 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,639 you know, I digress. So we're hoping to get that 109 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,439 monkey off our back. But now, yeah, now we've been 110 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,519 accepted to two more and it's just like if anyone 111 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,079 wants to do this, if if you listen to have 112 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,839 any inkling, doesn't matter what age, you gotta prayer, like 113 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:17,160 you gotta prayer for yeah, you do, gotta pray, but 114 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,000 you just gotta prep yourself for that because it's like 115 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,680 and not like massive highs or lows. Because as I've 116 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,120 said before, the drennic Rome, we were very much like, okay, 117 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,959 let's just hope when we get it done. We did that, 118 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,680 hope people like it, and you know, people do. I'm 119 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,160 sure there's some people that like, you know, are a 120 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,839 little nicer because we're friends or family or whatnot, but people, 121 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,120 you know, we're I think higher praise than we thought. 122 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,959 And then I think for film festival stuff like, okay, 123 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,600 this is uncharted territory. Let's see the fact that you know, 124 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,279 on our third one we had won something all good stuff, right, 125 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,120 So I think that helped you know, it was one 126 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,920 of those things where it's like it was surprising. But 127 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:54,120 my point is that you got to get used to. 128 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:56,600 We got selected for the first one we submitted to, 129 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,040 very surprised, so that would be even while or maybe 130 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,600 not at all getting selected right, and then one something 131 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,519 and then four in a row of just no no, no, no, no, 132 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,240 even though you had two. You're like, oh, is this 133 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,279 like a this is like a fluke? Do we just 134 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:13,199 get lucky with you know, these judges at these certain 135 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,199 film festivals. And then it was we got one and 136 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:19,120 then twenty four hour later we got another one, so 137 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,199 we'll see. We're waiting for another one as well. But yeah, 138 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,240 none of the no Canadian ones, so hopefully we can 139 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:26,879 get that off our back soon. But no, it's been great. 140 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:28,079 So that's what I would just say, is you got 141 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:31,000 a prep. It's not like a podcast where you get 142 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,279 like monthly stats as well. But I feel like for 143 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,519 us at geek first, what we do primarily is mostly 144 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:38,319 year where we do like six months. We of course 145 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,439 do like quarterly earning meetings with all of us like 146 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:42,759 the business owners and talk about stuff and changes and 147 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,879 things that are working not working. But it's like a 148 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,319 big data where, like they said, you'll literally go from 149 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:50,000 winning award to just four no's in a row and 150 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,079 you're just like, oh man, this sucks. You know. It's 151 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,879 like I'd rather have the like no no, yes, no, 152 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,319 yes no. It's like, okay, didn't get there. But when 153 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:00,319 it's and it was pretty much all the Settemptmber ones, 154 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,360 because they all of our festivals come up at different times, right, 155 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:07,199 so when the primarily ones that we all I think 156 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,240 they were all in September that we got these nos for, 157 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:12,759 it's like, oh geez, tough, tough September. But October's always 158 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,759 started and done better for us there. So but as 159 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,680 I'm saying, that's what I'm just we're gonna talk about 160 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,680 the joker stuff. But it's just great to see Terrifire 161 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,000 potentially doing that numbers. I'm pulling for it because like, 162 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,279 I just want that success story and that's super cool. 163 00:07:25,319 --> 00:07:27,600 So shout out to that team. That's really awesome. Keep 164 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,319 kicking ass. That's uh. You give people that are independent 165 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:32,839 filmmakers like Hope and a chance, you're like, okay, cool, 166 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:34,839 you can have a great concept and you never know. 167 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:36,560 And I'm not saying geek Ferze ever can get to 168 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:39,240 that level, even just as a film fan. Very cool 169 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,319 to see. You know what else is cool. November second, 170 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,920 Extra Life eighth annual charity stream is happening. We very 171 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,279 much appreciate it if you could one join us at 172 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,759 any point of the day popping in the chat. As 173 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:54,680 we said before, the foreign listeners, definitely time to come 174 00:07:54,759 --> 00:07:57,279 up because we'll be staying up. Usually when we're sleeping, 175 00:07:57,319 --> 00:07:59,759 you're awake. This is your time to help keep us up. 176 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:02,079 We need you to pop in there, ask us some questions, 177 00:08:02,079 --> 00:08:04,439 have some fun with us, keep us awake. You never 178 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:06,759 know how the years go. Sometimes it's very easy, sometimes 179 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,959 it's hard, but we will see. Last year is super 180 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,959 hard because we did the fucking dodgeball and this year 181 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,920 we're not doing that. But yeah, so we're doing our 182 00:08:14,959 --> 00:08:18,439 twenty four hour stream eight annual one. We're trying to 183 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:20,519 raise two thousand and five hundred dollars towards the BC 184 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,519 Chilwn's Hospital. But as we've said before, every donation counts, 185 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,000 so it's not like if we don't hit our goal, 186 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:28,399 no money. You know, we get it and it is 187 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,600 tax deductible for everybody. So you go to site the 188 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,879 link will be down below well all the other links. 189 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:35,840 But that's the important thing right now is the BC 190 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,080 Hrones Hospital Cherry Streamer are doing lots of events. 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So we try to put on a 202 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:09,320 show the best we can, so we would appreciate the support. 203 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,759 There is a X Men ninety seven themed Geek First 204 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:14,840 Extra Life shirt you can go by. It is exclusive 205 00:09:14,879 --> 00:09:17,519 just until now. It's till November three, I don't know November third, 206 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:22,960 it goes away. Same thing. All the proceeds go towards 207 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,919 the Extra Life so we'd very much appreciate it if 208 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:28,000 we hit one thousand dollars I'm gonna shaved my head. 209 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,759 We have about four tiers for Taylor and his beard. 210 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:32,840 We're gonna be shaving different things. We'll give mud chops, 211 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,399 we'll give him a soul patch, we'll give him the 212 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,159 Hulk Hogan. Lots of good stuff and he'll be rocking 213 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,639 that on the stream. Lots of good uh, just fun 214 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,919 things still to be announced. So we would appreciate it 215 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,720 if you could come help us out and join us 216 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:52,080 on that day. So what to do about DC? Because man, 217 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:54,759 it's interesting. Oh, hang on, my mic is not fully 218 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:58,000 in the I hope that wasn't too loud. My bike 219 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:05,320 was about to fall. Yeah, so what an interesting weekend 220 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:08,360 and everything right, And to go back in time to 221 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,799 Joker one comes out surprised. Everybody makes a billion dollars, right, 222 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,879 and they announced the sequel. I was fully on board 223 00:10:14,919 --> 00:10:16,679 and definitely got a lot of people doing that victory 224 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:19,200 lap now right of well, I said they shouldn't have 225 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,600 made number two, and I was right. Now, granted, I 226 00:10:21,639 --> 00:10:23,759 would say, yeah, okay, you can say you're right. I'll 227 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:25,799 let you have the win and you might go we'll 228 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:28,279 trust you're wrong. They shouldn't have greenlight that sequel. As 229 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:30,559 some of these reports have come out that no, like 230 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,840 Warner Brothers would have been looked like as idiots to 231 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,759 not green light the sequel because it's a billion dollar movie, right, 232 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,320 And I will say the way I always pitched it 233 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,399 is like, well, whatever, if you make it the same 234 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:43,000 way as the first one and not talking about the quality, 235 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,960 just like the budget maybe a little more. Well, whatever 236 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,759 you make, you'll make a profit, even if you know whatever, 237 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:51,360 it's not as big as the first one. You'll do that. 238 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,720 And if you look at the prof with the first 239 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,080 one and where this one will probably end up, you 240 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,559 would make that. And I guess I should just say that, yeah, 241 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,519 if you don't know for some reason, because doesn't you 242 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:02,600 don't fall online or you do just get our news 243 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,519 from us other podcast Joker Too. Joker fully of do 244 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,360 just a complete bomb at the box office this past weekend. 245 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:11,720 And for me, it's not just about that, it's about 246 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:14,240 in general as far as what DC goes. Because it 247 00:11:14,279 --> 00:11:17,080 was funny when I thought about this, because I just thought, Okay, 248 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,559 they had a lot of disappointments to bombs, but then 249 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,639 the Batman came out right, so that saved them. Even Joker, 250 00:11:23,759 --> 00:11:25,879 you could argue, Aukaman is a weird one, which we're 251 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:27,879 gonna talk about. But even Joker, you could argue, Okay, 252 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:30,440 they're having some me films, but then Joker came out 253 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:34,759 huge success, right, and it's like, you don't know. Today 254 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:37,360 in the box office it is the fucking wild wild 255 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:39,720 West for what's gonna work? What's gonna not work? Credit 256 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:41,840 to Mike because I think super bad Mic in our discord, 257 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:43,799 I think he did say it was gonna work, but 258 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,279 like Wicked coming out right, I did not say it 259 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,600 was not gonna work. I just said I'm unsure on Wicked, 260 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:52,879 where today comes out second best pre sales of the 261 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,679 year behind Dead pulling Wolverraine. So it's like, wow, okay, 262 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,240 there's an audience and you just you never know, and 263 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:00,759 it's the same thing. And I'm kind of word volving here, 264 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:02,519 but it's just a lot of things go together. Where 265 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,679 with the musical aspect, actually hang on shelve that for 266 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,840 a second. What I was saying was I thought this 267 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:11,279 was a good idea. When they were gonna keep the 268 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:13,960 budget relatively the same and maybe a little more, maybe 269 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,360 you say, hey, we're gonna make it the same as 270 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,799 the first movie. And then you know, walking a little 271 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,000 more gaga, you get some Todd films to go. But 272 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:22,639 then like that stillouln't equated to two hundred million. I 273 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,879 don't think right, lots of stuff and there's lots of 274 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:27,360 reports out there, but I thought that. And of course 275 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:29,440 this sounds like a dumb thing to say, but it's 276 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,840 just obvious when they announced this movie and the whole 277 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:38,360 crew is coming back, I expected better. Now, I still 278 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:40,360 gave the movie a pass. I still think there's some 279 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:42,039 good things in it. I think there's some really bad 280 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:43,840 stuff in it, but I still gave it a pass, right. 281 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,039 I did not think it would just be giving it 282 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,759 a pass. I think I said on the predictions like 283 00:12:47,759 --> 00:12:49,639 I'm expecting like an eight out of ten, and I 284 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,399 feel to me, if it was an eight at ten 285 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,080 quality movie, it would not have such a big blowback. 286 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,159 The other big blowback because now we can talk about 287 00:12:57,159 --> 00:12:59,320 why what happened and all this stuff and everyone, you know, 288 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,000 lots of articles trying to throw it on Todd Films. 289 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,240 Before we get into the why and what happened. One 290 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,240 thing I'll say is you can argue, like who you know, 291 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:12,759 who's the one that, uh, who's that fault. I don't 292 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:16,240 think anybody for this to make a big bike plummet 293 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,799 because they're not the only one that does it, Captain Marvel. 294 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:21,720 And this shows how I've always said, of course they 295 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,639 had some disappointments, but twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen was 296 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,200 the golden era of the comic book movie. Captain Marvel 297 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,279 makes a billion seg when comes out flops, Alkoman makes 298 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,919 a million seconde comes out. It did better than like 299 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,320 Marvel's for sure. I think it did like all right, 300 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:40,200 but still with the budget, very disappointing. And now Joker 301 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,879 another billion dollar comic. When you get a sequel flop. 302 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,480 Right back then, lots of people were just wanting to 303 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,159 see that type of genre and if it was just 304 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,159 even good, they'll go see it. And that's the thing 305 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,480 where people talk about the reviews here too. There's there's 306 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,840 so many aspects to this because the reviews people talked 307 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,120 about at first being mixed, right, and I said, well, 308 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:00,000 that's not an issue because the first one was made. 309 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:03,600 So it's like a revisionist history that the first one 310 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,720 because of one Oscars was highly praised. It was not 311 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:07,600 tons of people. I remember talking to people all the 312 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,879 time that did not enjoy that movie, did not like it. 313 00:14:10,879 --> 00:14:12,759 It still had like a sixty nine on rownto mails 314 00:14:12,799 --> 00:14:14,639 for the critics, and then this is like a sixty one. 315 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,080 So I thought, Okay, the mix is gonna happen. But 316 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,559 then it went from mixed to bad to like I said, 317 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:24,200 pretty poor, right, And that's what's interesting. Where the first 318 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,159 one had a lot going for it. I think it 319 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,679 had different hype as far as the quality, something new, 320 00:14:29,679 --> 00:14:32,960 but it also had that dangerous element. This didn't have that. 321 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:36,240 It didn't have that mystery box like, oh, this is 322 00:14:36,279 --> 00:14:38,440 the movie people are saying we shouldn't see it, shouldn't exist. 323 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,600 Let's go see it. This is just a Walke Phoenix 324 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:42,639 is back with Lady Gaga, get a bunch of money. 325 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,960 And I'm surprised. I've had four people now, a friend, 326 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,679 my sister Kyle, who's been on the podcast as a 327 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:50,720 GV member, and then I'm going to count this guy. 328 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:52,759 But still, I said on the review, there's a guy 329 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:55,480 behind us that when the second song hit, I heard 330 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:57,279 him saying, is this is a fucking musical under his 331 00:14:57,279 --> 00:15:00,279 breath to his friend. I was surprised, and this shows 332 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,799 to me how much were out of the bubble when 333 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:06,200 you're doing a film podcast listening to them, because there's 334 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,879 so many people. Even Kyle, who used to be a 335 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:10,679 geek first member, I know he's seen the trailers, was 336 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:12,480 did not know was going to be a musical. Maybe 337 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,480 people just thought there might be some sections or it 338 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:18,200 was just joker looking crazy trailers. But there's so many people, 339 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,440 and there's so many people that still go that they're 340 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,360 not a fan. I remember my sister and you when 341 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,639 they do that, and I said, hey, the musical, I 342 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:26,679 don't love that aspect, but that's not the problem of 343 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:30,240 this movie. There's much more right. So, to me, you 344 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,480 had the musical aspect, which I think that's what tanked 345 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:35,759 the cinema score was people surprised people. I think some 346 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:38,879 people know some lost people just did not like it. 347 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,879 But then the musical aspect didn't help. So again for me, 348 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,159 I thought budget be lower and the quality would be better. 349 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,759 Those things were not the case. But again it's this 350 00:15:47,879 --> 00:15:51,840 thing back to Todd Phillips, where to me, you can't 351 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,600 blame anybody because this was a good idea to try, 352 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:58,840 because you'd always wonder and it's tough because it's a 353 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:01,279 push and pull where let's say you go to Todd 354 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,080 Phillips and you say, we want a Joker too, and 355 00:16:04,159 --> 00:16:06,440 Walking pretty much just said that he's not gonna do 356 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,039 a Joker without Todd Phillips. Right, So you go there 357 00:16:09,039 --> 00:16:11,440 and say we want to do this and we're gonna 358 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,159 give you a big paycheck, kick great, and then Todd 359 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:16,639 also has these other demands. Now that's where it's up 360 00:16:16,639 --> 00:16:18,519 to you as a studio. And I'm not saying they 361 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:21,080 were wrong to do this. I'm not saying they're wrong 362 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:24,120 to say, Okay, whatever you want. I don't think it's 363 00:16:24,159 --> 00:16:27,600 wrong either for Todd Phillips to go because I'm putting 364 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,559 all the reports in here this week Todd Phillips, there's 365 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:33,039 a report that didn't you know, really wanted He didn't 366 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,600 take any notes, didn't do a test screening. I wasn't 367 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,559 listening to like James Gunn pier Saffer, not in that 368 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:40,519 sense that we're on, but just not not taking notes 369 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:45,679 and stuff like that. To me, like why like there's 370 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:47,600 always a case, right, but why should he if that's 371 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:49,639 kind of an agreement. If they came to him and 372 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:52,039 said we want this movie, and he probably said X 373 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,639 Y and Z because at first they weren't gonna do 374 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,320 it right, and he probably said, other than the money, X, 375 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,360 Y and Z, I need these things and then you 376 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,320 just say yes. And for me if Todd Phillips because 377 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,480 at the end of the day, I think there's you know, 378 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,119 there's times where they should like the whole thing about 379 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:11,000 uh directors getting creative control right, because when it's great, 380 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:13,480 people say, see, this is why the directors should do everything, 381 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,720 and then it's bad, it's, oh, well, you know, the 382 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:18,640 studio they didn'tet involved. To me, I don't blame Todd either. 383 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,599 He got his big bag and then he got to 384 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,480 make the film he wanted. I can like or not 385 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,160 like that, and we can all like or not like that. 386 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,359 But I'm also not gonna put it on him of 387 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,400 like you give a create of all that money, They're 388 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,519 gonna do what they want, especially if he was like, yeah, 389 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,240 do what you want. And then the studio can't really 390 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:36,720 blame themselves because they said hey, or they can't blame 391 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,039 themselves because they said, hey, go do what you want. 392 00:17:39,079 --> 00:17:42,119 But at the same time, if you look at history 393 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,200 the first Joker, they didn't have much to do that, 394 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:46,359 which is weird. Because Warnbos owns it, but they didn't 395 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,000 have much to do with it. There's this whole thing 396 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:50,400 where Philips had to get different funding from other places 397 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,640 and get da dada da. So they probably thought, man, 398 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:55,240 we fucked up last time, we didn't have a hand 399 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:57,240 in this. Let's have a bigger hand in it and 400 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:00,839 give Philips carte blanche. Right. So to me, it's not 401 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,759 even I don't even look at Phillips and go like 402 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:06,200 you can go and say, Okay, he made a bad movie, right, 403 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:07,759 let's just say it's that. I don't think that, but 404 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:12,759 let's he made a bad movie. Bad directors all make 405 00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:15,519 bad movies, right. So that's the thing where it's just 406 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:18,960 like he made something it didn't hit. It's not connecting 407 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,359 with the majority of people or the audiences you wanted to. 408 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,079 That's life that happens. Because if it's the other way 409 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,559 around this, mouses will consider great and hit a billion again. 410 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,079 It'd be like, man, yeah, Phillips is, look how fucking 411 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,920 great he is? Right, But he swung any miss and 412 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,480 the whole crew swung a miss, And I don't blame 413 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,240 the studio for doing that, and I don't blame like 414 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,880 all these kind of like hit pieces on Phillips. It's 415 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,200 like he's living the dream of like getting a bunch 416 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,759 of money and pretty much just saying like you got 417 00:18:45,759 --> 00:18:51,039 creative freedom. Well, like what am I supposed to do? Oh? 418 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:52,720 I shouldn't have done this, you shouldn't have done that. No, 419 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:56,640 this is where it's something as I go to you know, 420 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:59,720 my friends at you know, Dave and Scott and even 421 00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:02,200 you know, Chris and Hines and things like that, and 422 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,319 people that like are in this more SIGNI verse sphere 423 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:06,880 and stuff like that. Right, I always go and end 424 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,480 up working out right because I end up liking Zack 425 00:19:09,519 --> 00:19:11,240 Snyder's Justice But that still came with a whole bunch 426 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:14,160 of different things. And there's a whole line of dominoes 427 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,200 that have to happen to get us there. But for me, 428 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:21,200 this incident is Joker one comes out huge hit, wins oscars, 429 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,480 billion dollars. Please make us another one. Then the second 430 00:19:23,519 --> 00:19:25,000 one doesn't work, and then that's why you won't do 431 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:28,480 through for me. With BVS to Justice League, it was 432 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,079 a situation of Studio didn't like this, Studio is worried. 433 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,559 All these notes they change, they cut out some of BVS. 434 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:36,839 They're making these changes just leak. That's where I go. 435 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,759 The studio that's on fucking you because you you know rumored, 436 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,960 which we know is just pretty much fact now did 437 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,559 not like the reception of BVS. And then what do 438 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:49,519 you do, Hey, you want to still direct Justice League, 439 00:19:50,319 --> 00:19:54,279 the biggest r Avengers competitor, you want to do that? 440 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:57,519 That's where I go. Okay, and I said that shouldn't 441 00:19:57,559 --> 00:19:59,440 have happened. And granted I can say, hey, I was wrong, 442 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,319 because I like Zack Sny is justly right. But at 443 00:20:01,319 --> 00:20:03,680 the time and nothing, that's where it was going. And 444 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,720 there's many other things right because at the time we 445 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:07,200 also didn't know this was supposed to be just like 446 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,640 a five film thing. It was being pitched as this 447 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,359 is the new universe. That no, this is not a 448 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,759 good direction for the whole universe to go. So that's 449 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:16,720 where I go, Yeah, the studio made the right call, 450 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:18,920 and if or sorry, they didn't make the right call. 451 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:20,920 And that's where they fucked themselves where they are mad 452 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,839 about certain things and yet da da dah, and again 453 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,759 it all worked out. But to me, that was their fault. 454 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,480 They could have nipped in the butt. There would have 455 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,839 never ever been a release of Snyder cut A lots 456 00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:30,839 of executives wouldn't have headaches if they just got rid 457 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,400 of ac Scenter. And I'm glad they didn't because a 458 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,119 lot of things happened. But that's where I say that 459 00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:37,319 that's on you. I don't say about the studio, and 460 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,519 I don't say that on Todd. What's he supposed to do? 461 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:42,240 What's the studio supposed to do? You know? And if 462 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,440 it's something of like, hey, we're gonna give you more money, 463 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,279 but we want you to stay within this budget. And 464 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:49,920 if he says no, and they say, well, if you 465 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,720 you know, don't accept this, we're not making the movie, 466 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,519 and he stands by, what else can you do? And 467 00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:56,839 to me, I, from a business standpoint, understand why they 468 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:58,720 took the risk. It's just a risk that did not 469 00:20:59,279 --> 00:21:01,799 pay off for multitude of reasons. And I'm in shock. 470 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,160 I you could have told me, hey, it's gonna do 471 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,880 a lot less than the first one. But we said 472 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,599 a couple of weeks ago predictions. I said, I think 473 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:11,480 we all said this is not gonna be a Captain 474 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,920 marble auckamand situation. And I even said, oh, if it's 475 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,039 good enough, I could still see it hitting a billion, 476 00:21:16,079 --> 00:21:19,480 because that first one was controversial, where this is controversial 477 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,359 for I think different reasons. Of course, there's tons of 478 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,880 people that think Joker wanted just a bad movie, right, 479 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,519 but I think there's definitely more so this go around. 480 00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:31,000 And I'm shocked how low like when people are saying, hey, 481 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:34,960 long Legs might make more than it domestically the Joker too. 482 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:39,440 That's fucking crazy. And that's just it shows we're in 483 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,319 a time where nothing's guaranteed, and I'd love to I 484 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,920 don't think I have the time right now, but I'd 485 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,440 love to look at billion dollar movies in their sequels 486 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,559 because we have a few, and not a bunch of 487 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:52,079 them still do this, right, Like Spider Man, the Avengers 488 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:53,640 still on made a billion of Spider Man Far from 489 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,279 Home Knowing Home a billion, Dark Knight, Dark Night Rises. 490 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:58,440 It happens a bunch, but still you have this last 491 00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:01,799 couple of decades of you know, Alice Wanner that make Civilion. 492 00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:04,759 Let's make another one flops. We talked about Awkamn, we 493 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:08,200 tab about Captain Marvel, we talked about uh this one. 494 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:13,319 Now there's like another Disney one. I think something like that. 495 00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:15,599 People are the same thing with him Fossil. What's gonna 496 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:18,799 happen there? So it is interesting. I think it's just 497 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,440 a storm of bad shit for Joker and this movie 498 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,119 and everything in between. But it's just I it's and 499 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,799 that's why I think there was an article. I think 500 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:31,039 it was Holy Reporter It's like why heads won't roll? 501 00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:35,920 And I was like, yeah, like they it was a 502 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,799 no brainer to me. Now you could argue that there, 503 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,000 you know, could have said, hey, don't do musical, but 504 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,599 what if again Todd says, no, we want to make 505 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,839 it a musical, and they go, well, like, we don't 506 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:46,640 think we'll play Well, then I'm not doing the movie. 507 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:49,160 What do you do? Because then it'd be their verse 508 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,720 The whole time you'd be thinking about that what if? 509 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,599 And now you know, at least right now you know 510 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,799 it's it's kind of like the Flash thing where when 511 00:22:55,839 --> 00:22:58,200 Flash was coming out, and that's when James Gunn just 512 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,240 had got the flat like the DCU, you know, and 513 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,759 Peter Saffron got the DCUED gig. It was always like shit, 514 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,960 like what is gonna happen? Like he's all these plans, 515 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,799 but what's gonna happen? You know? If the Flash comes out? 516 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:11,000 Does really well. We hit those same thoughts about Black Adam, right, 517 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:13,440 and then they both came out and just kind of 518 00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:17,920 like flaundered and you know, died on the hill. So 519 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,720 it's like, oh, you don't need to worry. Kind of 520 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:21,960 same thing here there could be and that's where we'll 521 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,839 get find out with the Batman coming up, but that's 522 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,400 where it could be. Imagine this movie makes a billion 523 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,640 and then Superman comes out makes like a five six hundred. 524 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:32,799 David's ashole might be like, man, did we get the 525 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:34,720 wrong guy? Because they talked to Phil's about being the 526 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,880 head of the studio, right, Oh, do we get the 527 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,799 wrong guy? But it's kind of like another like whoosh, 528 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:43,119 Like that was close. But that brings us to just 529 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:47,200 DC overall. Now, I'm not trying to say that DC's dead. 530 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:49,880 DC can't be revived yet, dada all that stuff that 531 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,519 you'll see in the big headlines, right, but I do think, 532 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:57,000 you know, there is a a pattern, and maybe it's 533 00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:59,839 just a sense of bad luck, bad timing. It's not 534 00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:02,039 that they haven't had hits. But I want to bring 535 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,440 up DC films all the way from let's go to 536 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,440 Wikipedia from about twenty nineteen to now, So I'm gonna 537 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:12,319 count Joker as the not typical, like as their last, 538 00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:16,839 as the big hit here, because that's why it's stuff 539 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,960 that's like such anominally sometimes right where sometimes things just 540 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:24,200 happen like this will be just bombing the fact that 541 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,759 Captain Marvel Auckaman Joker make a billion in their sequels 542 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:30,799 fall flat, look at Justice League, because this is always 543 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,720 my point, right, That's way it makes no sense. You 544 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:37,720 got after BVS other than one Woman, the DCU starts 545 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,519 to go down. Squad's massive hit but starts to go down. 546 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:42,200 I actually don't know was one Woman even a bigger 547 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,559 hit than Squad. I thought it was one Woman made 548 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,200 eight twenty four. Yeah, and then Suicide Squad made seven 549 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,720 forty six. So after b is still going up, and 550 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,440 then Justice League happens for me showing okay, we've not 551 00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:58,960 liked what's happening. Then Auckeman hits a billion. You would 552 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,079 have think after Justice Le it keep going down, and 553 00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:03,319 it doesn't. But then after that all these things start 554 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:05,160 to happen. So I'm not gonna count Jazam because they 555 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,279 made Jazam too, and that was like a like a 556 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:09,640 decent hit, right, made it's budgetback made some money. But 557 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,920 let's talk about since Joker, And this is what's super 558 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,519 tough because there is COVID right in the middle of it, right, 559 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,240 but you get Joker billion dollars. Kay, Bird's a prey disappointing, 560 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:21,680 a flap one Room's two said squad, I'm not going 561 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:23,960 to count because it wasn't COVID and they also released 562 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,640 it on Mac, So very tough time. You got Black Adam, 563 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,200 which you know, rock and say whatever he wants about. 564 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,799 You know, biggest opening film of his career, doesn't matter, 565 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,400 it underperformed, didn't do it great. Jazam fur of Gods, 566 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,440 we know that happened, didn't do great. The Flash major disappointment. 567 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:46,079 That's like, I think Joker is a bigger disappointment than Flash. 568 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,599 But still that was like another like wow, huge Sinker, 569 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,799 Blue Beagle. I remember what it end up making. But 570 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,200 by the end of the day, they're still making an 571 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,960 animated sequel, right, not a film sequel. Yeah, Budget one 572 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:58,680 oh four one five, box office one thirty, that thing 573 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,839 lost money, Awkman and the Lost Kingdom. What did this 574 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,880 end up making? I think it was like five hundred right, Okay, 575 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,400 two hundred to two fifteen box office of four thirty four. 576 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,400 But we know because they reshot that thing like twice marketing, 577 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:12,920 that thing probably just broke even didn't lose money just 578 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,319 talking theatrically, not sales after on Max, streaming, other places, 579 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,359 et cetera, just box office and the budget all alone. 580 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,799 And then you get to Joker, and that's the same thing, right, 581 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,920 So that brings us with an obviously it didn't count 582 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,359 backgro That brings us to I'm gonna count Birds of Prey, 583 00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:32,759 I'm gonna talk Black, Adam, Shazam, Flash, Blue Beetle aukamand 584 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:39,400 Joker fully a dupe. So that is seven seven movies. Now, again, 585 00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:42,119 we don't know what one Woman, three and Susaid Squad 586 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,319 could have been. It could possibly be eight to nine 587 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,839 on this list, right, but let's be fair take him out. 588 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,079 Anyone that uses that as like a gauge of how 589 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,160 DC's doing, that's to me not the right gauge to 590 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,119 use that. That just feels like a shaman argument. Right, 591 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,400 But seven films since twenty nineteen have come out and 592 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:02,880 either disappointed, under whelmed, or just flat out flopped. And 593 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:06,759 that's where it's like, I'm gonna do the same thing 594 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,880 with Marvel MSU specifically, not fucking Sony films because they 595 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,519 you can say they do count, and that's fine. I 596 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,480 would accept it, But let's look at the real competitor, 597 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,759 like big dog in the room, right, because they're also 598 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,960 having issues. It's not like they're perfect. Right, let's see it. 599 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,839 Where are we here? Okay, so we're gonna go same 600 00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:26,839 thing twenty nineteen because that's what it's like to me. 601 00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:29,640 Endgame and Joker are like the end of the Golden Era, 602 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,039 and then obviously COVID happened, so we don't know, but 603 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,200 both of them had issues, right. I think DC had 604 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,759 a couple stinkers. MCU had a problem with some new films, 605 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,680 new leadership in the TV side. So let's take a 606 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:45,599 look at the MCU from twenty nineteen and on. Okay, 607 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:49,880 so Black again, that's tough because MCU they held off, right, 608 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,880 So that's the thing like with MSU, they're like, it's 609 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,119 tough to even count twenty twenty one, because I did 610 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,720 the same thing for that because like Black Widow Eternals, 611 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:04,519 it's tough because they were underwhelming, right, But like I 612 00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:08,319 would say, yeah, we don't really have a good gauge 613 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,400 for MCU because they kind of sat off. But even 614 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,880 then you had ant Man and The Marvels. Right, even 615 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,599 if you were to count let's say we count those 616 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,799 other movies, right, Black Widow's tough because they had the 617 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,160 day and date sung she was a hit eternals, I'd 618 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,839 say that wasn't a hit. And then Spider Man hit 619 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,799 Doc Strange hit Thrower Love and Thunder hit Black Panther hit, 620 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,720 ant Man, Wasp not a hit, The Marvels not a hit, 621 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,359 so you only have three. So that's the tough thing 622 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,680 where they it's they had a bigger problem though of 623 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,519 like critically, and then also the shows right and that 624 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,839 they did hold back, So it is tough. It's not 625 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,720 a fair comparison to make with those ones. So that's 626 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,440 where we just don't have the same data. But that's 627 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:50,680 where to look at just DC alone. Seven films since 628 00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:54,519 twenty nineteen have had, like I said, a mark of underperforming, 629 00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:58,480 disappointing flowp whatever you want to call it. And that's 630 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,920 where I go like, is it a DC thing? Because 631 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,079 the only film I did not mention was The Batman, right, 632 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,039 And that's where it's just like I can't even say 633 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,559 that Batman two is safe as far as like a success. Now, 634 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,519 I would think that because unlike Captain, I would say, 635 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:18,640 if you look at the quality, even though the Batman 636 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,319 did not make what those films made, I would say, 637 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,640 generally around people, when you talk about the quality of Joker, Captain, Marvel, 638 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,920 and Aukaman versus the Batman, most people I meet are 639 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,839 gonna put the Batman on top of that list, right, 640 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,079 So you kind of have that hope that Hey Pass 641 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:37,240 and Stars Building Penguin's doing well. Everyone really liked the 642 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,720 second one. I think more universally that's gonna carry over, 643 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,119 and I think it still will because also the thing is, 644 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,559 and you never know, because now I'm like, he could 645 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:46,759 fucking bomb, And I've always said about Superman, I think 646 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,319 Batman has a better chance of doing well. But I 647 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,599 thought the same thing about Joker. Right. The thing is 648 00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:57,279 with that movie, it's still the Batman, aka a Batman movie, 649 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,039 right flash. It is tough because you multiple Batman in there, 650 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,880 but still a Batman movie. And I think enough audiences 651 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,759 know now that when they see people in movies, like 652 00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:07,680 when Ben Affleck is in a scene in a trailer, 653 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,559 they know, Okay, it's he's not gonna be in there 654 00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:13,880 a bunch, right, So for me, Batman I take out 655 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,240 of the equation because Batman is a big property. It's 656 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,480 the same way we talk about the MCU. If they 657 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:22,759 start to bomb and things don't work, spider Man will 658 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,079 make money. X Men will probably make money. You just 659 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,920 won't see your sung cheese, your chances on Guardians, right, 660 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,279 They'll stick with the biggest ip they got. So I 661 00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,079 don't really put Batman in the conversation. It's a hip, 662 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,519 but Batman is its own island on itself. There's like 663 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,200 Batman and then there's DC. Right, you can make that 664 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,599 argument with spider Man and maybe you know Iron Man 665 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,880 stuff like that. Maybe just Spiderman, but so you make 666 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,079 that argument, but I think with Batman and DC it's 667 00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:51,559 even more specifically you can see the fork in the road. 668 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,720 So for me, one, let's hold the Batman two does well, 669 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,240 But seven films, that's really tough. And I think it's 670 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:02,440 smart that you know, they only had the one DC 671 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:04,839 film this year, there's a longer break in between them. 672 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,920 But I really I've said this before. I just I'm 673 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,119 repeating myself now. But with Superman, I could see it 674 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,359 thinking a billion dollars. I could see it just doing good, define, 675 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:17,839 I could see it flopping, and I really don't know, 676 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,720 And I just I've said before, I don't know if 677 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:25,440 people want to the universe. I don't know if people 678 00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:28,480 care about Superman and especially the universe thing. That's something 679 00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:30,160 where you know, listening to the gimmick. Last week we 680 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,440 had an episode It's wrestling podcast I do with the 681 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:36,920 s Pubs and David always great time. I agree with 682 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,240 this is there's you know, two companies and the rest 683 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,759 of out of the Vegas WWN AW. Now I'm not 684 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:43,960 gonna get the whole breakdown, but there's something where AW 685 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,400 is getting a lot of momentum, right and because of that, 686 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,119 you know, other net the network, you know, executives whatever, 687 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,160 feel you should have another show and another show. With WWE, 688 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,519 they have a huge roster, lots of stars, and their 689 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:58,079 main shows are Ross, Mackdown and NXT, and all these 690 00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,720 superstars are divided like the MC. Right, there's big events 691 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:03,960 where they Avengers get together, but then they break off 692 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,559 and do their own thing. So that's kind of similar. 693 00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,359 So I'm trying to make the comparison here. So I 694 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,559 often wonder now with if this Superman fails. I do 695 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,799 think a reason might be is because what happened with 696 00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:17,759 AW where I fik one of the failures were why 697 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,440 ratings and stuff have been going down a little bit. 698 00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:24,759 Is people maybe wanted, you know an I wanted, and 699 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:27,519 I think this is a good concept. I wanted a 700 00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,000 different wrestling show. I want a different product. But I 701 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,599 don't know if I wanted to know another wrestling universe. 702 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,880 I was fine with every Wednesday watching AW great, but 703 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,079 then it became well, rampages on Friday, Well, collisions on Saturday. 704 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:40,799 Well if we have a pay review that's on Sunday, 705 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:43,240 and then there's all there a special special. It's like 706 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,559 three shows a week, and it's like and for a 707 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:48,240 a few years, just one. And that's where I wonder 708 00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:53,480 with DC, if it's just people. Obviously the MCU is 709 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,640 having some tough go rounds too, right, but people might 710 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,680 just go, you know what, I have one superhero cinematic universe. 711 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,559 I don't necessar I sarely need another one. I don't 712 00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:05,000 want to follow all the shows and properties and the connections. 713 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,240 I don't want to see all the end credits. I 714 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,640 don't want to play homework. I don't want to do X, 715 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:11,519 Y and Z because I already do this Marvel and 716 00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:14,279 I'm happy there. Now your hope is like with me 717 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:18,119 and aw where hey ww started to be very shit 718 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,359 and I look for somewhere else. Right, So that's where 719 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,319 either two things, either DC and one is gonna have 720 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,240 to hope that, Hey, Marvel has some more misses and 721 00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:29,519 people are looking for a combook universe. Great, we're right here, 722 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,319 or we make something that's so good, so undeniable, they're 723 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:35,519 gonna look over here. And that's where we don't know. 724 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,559 We don't know how Brave New World's gonna know ausse 725 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,359 Dead pull them over E one great, but that's like 726 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,680 a Mulligan. That's a cheat because that's using off a 727 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,480 lot of nostalgia and Jackman and Dedwell who built their 728 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,599 own houses over there at Fox, right, we got Cif 729 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,400 four goes, Cap goes Thunderbolts, I really don't know. And 730 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,119 there could just be the argument, what if people are 731 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:55,279 down in the cinematic universes overall, that could be we 732 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,599 could I would honestly, I don't think it's out of 733 00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:05,200 the realm possibility. If Superman underperforms, does all right, and 734 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,519 the other films are the same thing and endgay I 735 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:09,920 was talking about with Chris and a private chat just 736 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:11,559 we're talking about some rumors we didn't want the g 737 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,159 Way to see just in case, you know, don't want 738 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:14,719 to spoil peop or whatnot. And you know, we just 739 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,159 talk in general about stuff usually, and we're going back 740 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,519 and forth about you know, and our Doomsday and Secret Wars, 741 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:25,239 And to me, it's like I somehow think like both 742 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,559 films are guaranteed a billion, but I don't think they're 743 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,800 guaranteed to like save or reboot the ms in a 744 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,360 good way. I think it'd still be like Rise of 745 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,599 Skywalker wor Sure it makes a billion, big hit, but 746 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,519 it's kind of fractured and left a lot of people 747 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,079 empty and mad. The same way as like, again, they're 748 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,800 just rumors, but people you know, specifically going out there 749 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,360 and saying stuff like and it's just for comic fans, right, 750 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,480 but it's like, yeah, Doom's not really going to be 751 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,119 a read rival, and really this is just kind of 752 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:52,880 gonna be like it for Doom. He might not be 753 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,480 in the MCU going forward, and it's like, man, that 754 00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,480 kind of sucks, you know, and I've always said this 755 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,320 that you need your GA people, but you also still 756 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,960 need to keep the hardcorese happy. To the point where 757 00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:05,440 my sister asked me, hey, should I see Joker too? No? 758 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,239 And she's okay. If my brother, whose two favorite characters 759 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,440 are Batman Joker, is saying should I go see you 760 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,239 in the theaters? And I say no, the word dies. 761 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,519 It takes that. Oh I know a nerder geek. They 762 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:18,800 say yes, I love it. Then I tell all my 763 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,960 friends are in the ga yeata da da. You also 764 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,760 you need a bunch of people online right or on board. 765 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,599 Doesn't always happen. Look at the Transformer movies that pure 766 00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:29,760 general audience. So at the day you still need more 767 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,079 general audience. But I still think you want that good 768 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:35,800 word of mouth right And for me, Cecar Wars and Doomsday, 769 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,960 there's a chance that those are like Rise of the Skywalker. 770 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,920 They divide the audience, people get underwhelmed and they're done. 771 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:44,679 I I guess five years, I said, right, so we're 772 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:48,280 in twenty twenty four. Yeah, and then what so Doomsday's 773 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,320 twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, So that might be 774 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,239 a bit too much, maybe not so, hang on, math 775 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,280 for a second twenty five, twenty six, seven, eight nine, Yeah, 776 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,519 I'll stick with it five years. I could see by 777 00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:02,039 twenty twenty nine three we could be back to just 778 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:05,519 the Batman's, just Ramy Spider Man's. And not that I 779 00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:07,880 want it, I think there's I wish we could have both. 780 00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:10,840 I want DC and Marvel to do more else worlds. 781 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,280 I'd love it if I he said, Hey, we're making 782 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,960 an Iron Man movie. But guess what, it's not Robert Downey. 783 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:17,880 It's a different I man. We're just doing a one off. 784 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,480 This is a pure story, not set up for any 785 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,679 universes and adventure of Iron Man. I go great, I 786 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,440 don't need to worry about where the Avengers are, where 787 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,920 is to connect? Just a great imn story. Do a 788 00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:29,239 full on, really mature Demon the Bottle. Don't gotta be Radar, 789 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,880 but just do Deeming the Bottle. Right, Oh, that'd be wonderful. 790 00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:36,920 But I think if the DCU has some hiccups, and 791 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,119 I think if Secret Wars and Dooms they don't fucking hit, 792 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,280 I don't think they got to hit the same way 793 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,000 as far as Endgame and in Findy War like that quality. 794 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,760 I think it has to hit, though, Avengers, that first 795 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,440 one where I know some people look back on now 796 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,000 go oh, it's not that good of a movie in 797 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:57,039 a you know, it looks like a TV show. Doesn't 798 00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:00,639 matter to me. That was a moment that felt like 799 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,159 a win. That felt like people that were comic fans 800 00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:05,000 and even Gap are like, how are they gonna do this? 801 00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:07,639 Four characters and different movies coming together? It was sun 802 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:11,119 shitt unknown. Right, it doesn't have that factor, but when 803 00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:13,239 you came out, people had a good time and it 804 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,760 felt like a win. It's like, man, I want to 805 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,199 see more of that. That's what you have to do 806 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,480 with with en gay or sorry, I keep wanting to say. 807 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,079 I'm just saying, say five and six for Avengers, you 808 00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,800 gotta come out and be like, I love Marvel, I 809 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,000 love these characters great. I think even if you come 810 00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:34,760 out and hit ultron level, that's not good enough. If 811 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,559 the Phase four that was very powerful. If I'm sorry, 812 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,239 I feel like there's I'm trying to get my body there. 813 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,039 If Phase four and five worked, just like you know, 814 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,480 nothing's flawless, but let's say it had the reputation of 815 00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:51,119 Phase three, right, and even phase phase two not so much. 816 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:55,599 But Phase three okay, varying degrees of kali, but overall 817 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,159 everything's passed and very strong, and you have some of 818 00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:01,000 the best films there. If you do that, that's how 819 00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:03,199 I think Ultron came out. And to me, it's just 820 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,159 like a it's a fine. I think I've always even 821 00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,280 like A seven at ten, like it's good, it's fine. 822 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,519 But Avengers movies should not be that, right. The crossover 823 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,960 movie shouldn't be like, oh, it's good, it's fine. I 824 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:13,920 know some people defend that movie all the power to 825 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,199 you of being like a great movie, but they could 826 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,239 do that because they had other stuff going on Winter Soldier. 827 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,119 I still think Ironman three was a hit for them. 828 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:24,960 Controversial fans with with GA people now, I think they 829 00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:27,119 love that. Right, you had Dark World, I don't know, 830 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,639 but then you had Guardians, so you still had a 831 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,719 relatively very good pace. And then maybe it's still like, oh, 832 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,760 like a decent, good time Avengers movie with this because 833 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,440 it's been a rocky road. I think if you get 834 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,559 the decent good time Avengers movie, not so much. And 835 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,800 I think they both have to be great. You have 836 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,800 to have Dooms. They'd be great to get on on board. 837 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,800 Downy and then with Secret Wars you have to end 838 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,159 it super strong. So I know this is kind of 839 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,639 bit off the Joker Bandwig and the DC band Wing, 840 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,119 but I think they're linked where I could see in 841 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,800 like I said, five years, comic moves are back to 842 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,199 just the big characters and it's not connected universes anymore, right, 843 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,119 or it's a very like Phase one MC. We're like, yeah, 844 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,559 they're kind of connected, but very very minimal. Right, you know, 845 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,599 see Nick Fery, see Agent Colson, but they don't talk 846 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,559 and unless it's the crossover, right, And I don't know. 847 00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:16,880 And that same thing, like is the is it just 848 00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,159 a string of bad luck? Right? Like, let's look at 849 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:24,119 these these movies, right, Like, let's see Birds of Prey 850 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,880 reviewed relatively well. Still don't understand that one, Harley Quinn 851 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:30,760 as soon as that squalls a big hit, Margot Robby 852 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,559 had a bigger star, don't understand it. You know, Black Adam, 853 00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:36,920 we understand that one, you know, we understand not a 854 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,559 Grace movie flash. Same thing I don't understand. Now, I 855 00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:43,679 don't understand I Peep didn't care about the character. I 856 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,039 don't think that Azra Miller controversy hurd it that much 857 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,719 but maybe it did. Maybe people didn't still were liking 858 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,199 these characters. You have something, we're the same thing. If 859 00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:54,119 you told me, if you would show me the box 860 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,480 office receipts a Beetlejuice and Joker, I would have said, Hey, 861 00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,119 that Beetlejuice box office seat. That's definitely Joker too. I 862 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:01,880 guess it didn't perform as well as the first one, 863 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,280 but that one hundred million opening weekend, Yeah, that's Joker too. 864 00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:09,159 Eh No, that's Beatle Juice. Joker Too is gonna finish 865 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,559 less than that. So that's where it's like, Michael Keaton 866 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,639 still got some pole. I'm not saying you'll just gonna 867 00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:16,480 be billion dollar movie, no, but it's like still some pole. 868 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:20,440 Flash the poll poll lists not there. Because that's why 869 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,840 I with Beal, just like I don't know if it's 870 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,800 gonna be a hit. People seemingly didn't care about my 871 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,800 own Keen come back as Batman, but they loved them 872 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,320 to come back as beel Juice, right, Blue Beatle. I 873 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,239 think that was like, that's a comic book fatigue of 874 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,000 like we've seen this before, Shazam. That's another comic fatigue. 875 00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,480 One Joker we talked about These reasons could be you know, 876 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,639 musical aspect, build made, didn't want to sequel, uh maybe people, 877 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,559 or just just heard the word of mouth. A bunch 878 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:49,679 of different reasons, right, So there's not like a clear 879 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,599 cut like all these movies to me have been bad. 880 00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:53,960 There's been some winners as far as the reviews and everything, 881 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,639 but it doesn't matter one way or another. You've had 882 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,800 seven movies in the last five years do poorly and 883 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:10,320 they're all DC movies. Even fucking Sony has their Venom movie, right, 884 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,719 and I guess you could say, well, DC's got the Batman. Yep, 885 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,800 they do. That is a win, absolutely, But Batman's always 886 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,920 been a win pretty much other than Batman and fucking Robin, right, 887 00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,400 so take him out of the equation. Same thing. That's 888 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,639 what we always say about Sony. Well, they're shit thing 889 00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:29,320 other than Venom and animation. I put animation separately. So 890 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,559 we look at live action, Well, Craven comes out, probably 891 00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:36,559 not gonna do well, Morbius comes out not good, box 892 00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:39,119 office failure, mad Web, same thing, but we got Venom 893 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,840 and Venom twos or Venom three. Is like the tracking 894 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,639 has gone down a little bit now. If anything, I 895 00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:46,760 don't want people to not succeed, but like, if it 896 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,199 has to happen to another movie, let this happen in 897 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,960 Venum three, because like, there's no wake up call here 898 00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:57,440 with Joker. That's what I've said before the first one review, 899 00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:02,000 like over first one one fuckings made a billion dollars. 900 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,920 They were not wrong in green lining that sequel, Venom. 901 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,559 They're not wrong in green lining those sequels because they 902 00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:13,559 make the money they make Cheddar. But if this one 903 00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:15,519 on her performs, let's say it has like an Aquaman, 904 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,800 Now I can say Joker to Captain Marvel situation right 905 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,639 comes out, big, big letdown. I would hope that Sony 906 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,480 would go okay, didn't make as much money and the 907 00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:28,519 quality is just not there. Peple don't love as much. 908 00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:31,559 We need to really refocus. Where with Joker too, I said, 909 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,079 there's no lesson. They had all the green flags to land, 910 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,679 and they try to land, plane crash, but they try 911 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,480 to land. And two it's just well that didn't work 912 00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,599 onto the DCU. There's no repercussions. There's no like man 913 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,280 walking was gonna do a third No, it's just that's it. 914 00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:50,360 They wash your hands of it. And even then at 915 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,960 the end of the day if you were to put 916 00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:57,159 the two budgets together, because like, let's say Joker, because 917 00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:59,639 what is Joker, fully I do right now? Right fully 918 00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:05,280 da dah, and taking out the whole Warner Brothers didn't 919 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,760 make as much money on the first one because they 920 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,000 had the bad contract and they didn't believe in the film. 921 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,159 Let's just say overall, when you look at it as 922 00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:16,280 far as the situation, right, So right now, Joker box 923 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,679 office at one twenty one, so let me be nice 924 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,280 and say that it's going to make two hundred million, right, 925 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:24,800 and then I think Joker was just over one billion 926 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,400 or something like that. So let's say it made one 927 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,519 point two billion. Let's say you put both films together 928 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,920 one point two billion. Great, and then let's high end 929 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,320 it where you go, Okay, Joker two has a budget 930 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,360 of two hundred million, and then you go it d 931 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,079 D D dah. And then Joker one had a budget 932 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,880 of fifty to seventy. So let's high end it, right, 933 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,440 Let's go plus seventy, So that's two hundred and seventy 934 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,559 million dollars. Let's say they made one big film and 935 00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:59,920 they split it into two kill bill style, right, that's literally, 936 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,400 you just get to under nine hundred million. When you 937 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,119 put the box office for Bob film together and the 938 00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,519 box aw and the budget for both films, you get 939 00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:10,519 to nine. Let's just go right down nine hundred. Now, 940 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,320 let's say you gotta double it, right, So let's say, okay, 941 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,559 so that's two seventy. Let's say both the marketing for 942 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:17,559 both of them, for some reason was double. That gets 943 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,840 you to five forty. Okay, that still gets you to 944 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,920 like half a billion dollars of profit overall. It sucks 945 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,239 for Joker too. Of course they'd want be a bigger 946 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,159 hit money, but when you look at it, you go, 947 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,039 we want some walking one on Oscar. It was a 948 00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:36,280 surprise movie in five ten years. People aren't really gonna 949 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,079 talk about Joker too. You know why because Joker one 950 00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:43,480 happened with the Marvels that killed Captain Marvel franchise with 951 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,840 with the Acaban, that was another nail the coffin for DC. 952 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,760 For Joker, it was like a cherry on top. And 953 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,559 that's why I think it's not like a big deal 954 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,360 for them. It does suck because they spent money, and yeah, 955 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,760 they screwed up the first time. They didn't get as 956 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,079 much money as they wanted because they didn't believe that film. 957 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,639 But still as that team, you should look and go, well, 958 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,519 we made about you know, five to six hundred million 959 00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:09,639 in profit, pretty fucking good, and there might be more 960 00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:13,960 of that, but still around that pretty good. Superman when 961 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,280 we go to this about like DC, I don't know. 962 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,599 I it's there's only so many times you can see 963 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,760 a hoofprint and not think it's a horse. Right, there's 964 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,960 so much times you can see smoking Nott think it's fire. 965 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,760 And Superman is the test because I will say as well, 966 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,360 I'm on the fence with I'm on the more positive 967 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,239 side with birds and Prayer, birds and Prey, Birds of Prey, 968 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,639 but uh, I'll put these ones in back for this conversation. 969 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,559 Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman, the Suicide Called, which I 970 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,320 think was good reviewing people liked it, but here people 971 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,119 love it. Right, Black Adam, Shazam, The Flash, Blue Beetle, Aquamana, 972 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,440 Joki Filiyer. Do one thing none of those films do 973 00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,320 have is I think even if they're liked, it's more 974 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,559 of a mix or it's like people like Blue Beetle 975 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:03,800 or you don't even really enjoy it. But I won't 976 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,519 say no one because I know Clay if you listen, 977 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:08,039 is mad. I will say a majority of people. If 978 00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:10,039 you were to pull people and give me your top 979 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,000 ten com movies the last ten years, those movies I 980 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:17,239 just listed off gonna be very rare to have one 981 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,239 of them, if not multiple. In the right I might 982 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,880 have Birds of Prey, but I don't think I would. 983 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,639 And again I took Batman out of the conversation because 984 00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:27,360 it's separate, right, So for me, that's where Superman is. 985 00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:31,159 All these films have never been universally loved that mega 986 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,039 praise like a Guardians of Galaxy Volume one, And that's 987 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:38,800 where James gunn like literally has to deliver. Now, this 988 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,800 is where I will say, if he comes out and 989 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,199 delivers and it's a big hit, then I go, okay, 990 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,760 that was maybe the issue. They just weren't straight, and 991 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,920 you not every film has to be that way, right, 992 00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:49,719 But it just sucks when you got a string of 993 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,880 film after again and again and again. It's just like fuck, 994 00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:55,159 like they're mixed and they're not hit money wise, Like 995 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,519 what's going on here right? MCU has that going on 996 00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,239 right now where it's like deadpoll Wolverine big it. Let's 997 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,079 say Cap comes out disappoints, but then it's like, well 998 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,119 we just had a big hit, so okay, DC. Other 999 00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:08,039 than the Batman, it's just a constant like some people 1000 00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:10,239 like this, some people hate this. It makes this amount 1001 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,639 of money, but not enough. It's like good, it makes 1002 00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:15,159 a little bit of profit. It's it's never like there 1003 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:18,000 you don't have this strong, strong winner. Joker was their 1004 00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:21,320 last one. And that's again another connected Universe movie, right, 1005 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,199 so to me if and it's tough, right, because a 1006 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,400 good movie does not equal box office success. Blade Runner 1007 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,559 twenty forty nine is a fantastic movie. One of the 1008 00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:35,400 best sci fi movies out there. It's a fuck in 1009 00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:39,440 the first one, right, fucking bombed, right, doesn't doesn't matter, 1010 00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:42,599 not all the time. Sometimes yet lucky that word mouth 1011 00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,079 gets out there. But let's just say Superman comes like 1012 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:47,960 Guardians and it hits big. Then I will go, okay, 1013 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,679 maybe it is just they needed something with very strong 1014 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,960 positive reaction, because if you want to bring the Batman in, 1015 00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:57,480 the Batman got that right, very strong word of mouth, 1016 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,159 big hit. So if it if Superman makes like six 1017 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,239 hundred million, that's a hit. I know people will go well, 1018 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,320 you know, Man's still almost made seven hundred million, so 1019 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,360 all the big hit But for me, it's like, no, 1020 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,800 that's a hit. That's what they need. That's a good 1021 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,760 starting point for me, especially nowadays with so much in there. 1022 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,119 Lots of people for COVID don't see movies. I digress. 1023 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,119 So if it's reviewed greatly, not just good greatly, and 1024 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:21,880 it's a big hit, then I'll go, Okay, maybe that's 1025 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,239 what they just needed. They needed a universal one, a 1026 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,719 universal hit, and not every film can be that, That's 1027 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,760 what I was trying to say with Marvel. But as 1028 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,159 long as you get one at least every couple of years, 1029 00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:34,079 you can kind of live off that and people will 1030 00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:36,320 give you like a bit of a benefit of doubt. 1031 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,559 I think that's a lot of MCU right, there's a 1032 00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,800 lot of just like fine to good films in there. 1033 00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:43,840 But because everyone like at least maybe once a year, 1034 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,679 I'd say for sure two years, you'd get like a 1035 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,320 big event that would pay off as far as like 1036 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,320 a big event film, and the quality would pay off 1037 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,719 and people to come back for more. And that's what 1038 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,719 Superman needs to be. If Superman. There's a lot of 1039 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,079 equations to this right, because it could be, like I 1040 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,880 said before the universe, it could be that people don't 1041 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,360 care what Superman. But it also could be that, hey, 1042 00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,000 this comes out and let's say it gets Guardian review 1043 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,480 level praise, people love it, Peple talking about being a 1044 00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,079 top ten comic, boomy Man, Jim's gunn did it again 1045 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:18,000 and underperforms, flops whatever. For me, I think Superman is 1046 00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:21,400 the true test of what the DC brand is going 1047 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,199 to be going forward and what potential it has. Again, 1048 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,440 Batman is bigger than the brand because let's say Superman 1049 00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:29,760 comes out, flops, and then the Batman of the year 1050 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,480 two comes out and the like or the next year 1051 00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:34,159 comes out of there. Everyone goes see d She's not dead. 1052 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,519 You know, how can you say Doc's dead, Peacemaker was 1053 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,960 a hit, Penguin was a hit. Like those are great things, 1054 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,599 but that the TV show hit versus a movie hit 1055 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,880 and being a big brand very different. So to me, 1056 00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,840 if Superman comes out, does well as far as critically 1057 00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:56,119 fan wise, but still underperforms, and it's that conversation of 1058 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,480 is this universe gonna work? Is it you know, financial 1059 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,599 financially smart to go forward with it? I think it's 1060 00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:06,480 a DC thing, and then you just need to like 1061 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,039 wait again, you just have to wait. You got to 1062 00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:13,360 do films that are by themselves. I wouldn't want that. 1063 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,360 I'd want them to continue with their universe. We're just 1064 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,280 about to talk about that Green Lantern casting to end 1065 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,679 this episode. But for me, it's like, how do you 1066 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,800 justify it or the other thing people have thrown out 1067 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,239 there where you start selling them off not like a forever, 1068 00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:28,760 but to license to be like, hey, Apple, we will 1069 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,639 let you make a Superman movie, and we'll cut it 1070 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,400 this way yet to Dada, but we can let you. 1071 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,159 And so I go, great, We'll make that Superman movie 1072 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:40,840 because I just if Superman under reforms, it really feels 1073 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,840 like this is a DC thing and I want to 1074 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,159 go forward because and like I said that that's pretty 1075 00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:48,440 much a Joker. I think I've talked about everything. I 1076 00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:51,280 need to talk about crazy time not to not have 1077 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,079 my Bengal cards. But again, it just makes that era 1078 00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:57,599 when it's like, oh, it's like Joker won such anominally, Well, 1079 00:50:57,639 --> 00:50:59,519 that time was an anomaly, like I said, that's why 1080 00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:01,719 it was goal. Agent of the Combook movie twenty sixteen, 1081 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,480 twenty nineteen, Like the Marvel's Aukaman shouldn't made a billion 1082 00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,400 dollars after Justice League, but it did. The Marvels kept Marvel. 1083 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,599 No one knew this character. It's just like a fine movie, 1084 00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:14,440 billion dollars. Joker had all these risks, billion dollars, right, 1085 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,400 it was a wild time. But I want some man 1086 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,599 to do well because we got Aaron Pierre cast as 1087 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,079 John Stewart. So I think I may have seen him 1088 00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:28,280 in a few things, but honestly, he would just been 1089 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,280 like a side player or something like that. But I 1090 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,559 did today. I've not fully finished it, so forget me. 1091 00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:35,239 Because there was an action scene come out for the 1092 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,239 ending I did. I want to watch it full tension, 1093 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,239 but I got twenty five minutes left to go, so 1094 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,239 I've seen what I need to see. And yeah, I 1095 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,559 could understand why people he was the fan cast, and 1096 00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:48,760 I could understand why people wanted him. He looks the part, 1097 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,960 he acts the part. Especially in Rebel Ridge. It's more 1098 00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,239 like a somewhat military type of character, and that is 1099 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,000 John Stewart. I love the John Stuart character. As I've said, 1100 00:51:57,199 --> 00:51:59,639 Howe's my green Lantern. I said, I grow with him, 1101 00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:02,039 probably just because I read more comics with him in him. 1102 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,000 But John stewartt also grow with with because the Justice 1103 00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:08,760 League animated show, right, And for me, it's just like 1104 00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:13,119 it's a it's a perfect casting. There are some people 1105 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,079 pushing back saying like, oh, James Gunn just says like 1106 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,920 the fan casting stuff, but it's like, one, that's not 1107 00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:20,440 the case. It's the case with maybe a couple characters, 1108 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,119 but two doesn't necessarily mean it's it's always wrong, you know, 1109 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,800 Like I think Dave Corns what's gonna be great? I 1110 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,480 don't know that, but I think he's gonna be great. 1111 00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:31,800 And this guy, when I watch Rebel Ridge, I go, fuck, 1112 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,400 he feels, he looks, he sounds, he has the aura 1113 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,280 of what John Stewart would have. So that's really cool. 1114 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,840 And again, my only hang ups with this show is 1115 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,199 the idea that they are investigating a mystery on Earth 1116 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,880 now that could lead to space, that could lead some 1117 00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:51,400 cool fights on Earth maybe, but it just sounds like 1118 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,840 what I want from Green Lanterns is the exact opposite 1119 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,599 of what the show is pitching. But they confirmed him, 1120 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,000 They confirmed Kyle Chandler. I think that's gonna be a 1121 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,800 great pairing. Again, I just saw Iron Bear in the 1122 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,599 rel Ridge, I said, if he gets casting on to 1123 00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:06,440 watch it. It was on my list but went higher up. 1124 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,400 And he's great. He's got chrisma for fucking days. He's 1125 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,159 got such a badass attitude. He's a sexy looking motherfucker. 1126 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,440 My god, like this guy has all. I can see 1127 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:22,000 why Clay Patroon Clay want him to be bond. Absolutely. 1128 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,840 I see your vision, sir, I see it, but that's 1129 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,679 not gonna happen now because he is Green Lantern and 1130 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,800 they like to get their own stars there. So yeah, 1131 00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:33,760 another great cast. It sounds like that's gonna start filming 1132 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,920 in January. There's other rumored people out there. Kyle Channlan 1133 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,280 being confirmed. That's great as well. I would have still 1134 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:45,000 liked Olafont more, but from what I've seen in just 1135 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:49,119 Rebel Ridge and then Kyle Chandler, I feel like Chandler 1136 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,960 and uh A Pierre would have a better chemistry. Is 1137 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,039 that like Buddy copp mentor mentee sort of thing where 1138 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,199 Olafont I don't know why I think you good. Maybe 1139 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,079 it's just I don't know if it's the size. Kyle 1140 00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:08,599 Chandler is not bigger than Aaron by no means but 1141 00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:11,480 there's just maybe he has more of a dad or 1142 00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,719 which also doesn't make sense because last season Justified, Old 1143 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,079 Font played that like he played a more cooler dad, 1144 00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,639 And that's where with how I guess it's more Kyle 1145 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,679 Chandler can do it. I think a better veteran grizzled 1146 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,840 where you know, you look at Railing and Raylan Gibbons, 1147 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,000 he was you know, he had the grit, but it 1148 00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:34,519 was like a more smooth type of grit. And Aaron 1149 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,440 he kind of feels smooth right where I think if 1150 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,559 you got someone that can play the up and comer 1151 00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:43,719 and I just want to learn and I am a badass, 1152 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,800 but like I still need a lot of guidance. I 1153 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,000 don't get that vibe from Aaron. So that's where I 1154 00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:49,880 think the Chandler thing is better of like a hard 1155 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,000 nose learner, where I don't think like the smooth cooperator 1156 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,280 as like old Font maybe would have played him and 1157 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,760 maybe not. I he could have played him darker, but 1158 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,719 I just think the pairings better. So no, it's good. 1159 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:01,800 I'm excited to see what they keep. So we got 1160 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,000 our two members, justly got Corn Sweat as Superman. We 1161 00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:09,280 got Aaron Pierre as Jon Stewart and Corn Sweat and 1162 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,000 the other movies i've seen him. I really like him. 1163 00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:13,599 So the potential is there, and that's why I want 1164 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,679 Superman to exceed very well, because I want to see 1165 00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:17,719 these characters get together. I want to see what the 1166 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,159 stories they could do. Green Lantern again, maybe not a 1167 00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,559 fan of the concept, but the casting. I think both 1168 00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:24,719 those are great choices. So that's it. And I think 1169 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,679 they've been great with their casting so far, even Guardians 1170 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,760 like that's something him and his team did very well, right, 1171 00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:34,079 even though he had help, right because he didn't even 1172 00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:36,679 want to have Chris Pratt to do an audition and 1173 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,480 then someone convince him that he watch went wow, this 1174 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,840 guy's great, right, so, and James Gunn said that because 1175 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,239 I was like, oh uh, did you watch Rebel Ridge? 1176 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,639 And that's a like, I don't know, maybe it helped 1177 00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:50,840 because like the movie was a hit on Netflix and 1178 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,079 people were praising him a lot, so like, hey, he's 1179 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,480 building up some stock, but I like this said no, 1180 00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,719 his screen test did, and it's like, yeah, that's really 1181 00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,840 what's gonna come down to with like a bit more 1182 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,360 newer actor. So congrats to him. I hope he blows up. 1183 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:03,599 I hope this is a big role. I hope the 1184 00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:08,079 show's good, and again I hope DC prevails. But yeah, 1185 00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:10,199 I think that's it here for today, just a mini one, 1186 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,280 just just an under our one. I will be back. 1187 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,159 I'm gonna do an episode probably right before so in 1188 00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:19,599 two Lives or in Two Lives, two weeks right before 1189 00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:22,199 Extra Life, I'll do one because you know, we like 1190 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,760 to get episodes out there to remind people. Plus we'll 1191 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,360 be getting near the end because November December is when 1192 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,840 I'll be out of here, and then I will do 1193 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,880 unless twins do come very early, I will be doing 1194 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,440 a last Travis told you in November to kind of 1195 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,400 send off my run here for a little bit, and 1196 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,559 then I will be out of here. I'll be with 1197 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,519 the two babies. Hopefully everyone'sill be happy and healthy and 1198 00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,800 with the mama, and that's what I'm gonna be doing. 1199 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,239 So I hope you enjoyed this episode. I've tras told 1200 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:49,960 you you got about. Like I said, two more left. 1201 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,119 Head over Patreon. That's one thing. If you're gonna be 1202 00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:55,280 on Patreon, you still will get to hear from me 1203 00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,519 a lot because there'll be retros that we've pre recorded 1204 00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:59,920 and everything. So that's where if you want your Traves 1205 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:01,960 fix is to go over there. You get episode every 1206 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,719 every episode AD free. So yes, I appreciate anyone who 1207 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,280 listened to this, and I thank you very much. I 1208 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,639 promise when you hear from you next, I'll not be boring.