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Speaker 1: All right, so we are just a couple of days
Speaker 1: away from the NFL Draft, and we'll get into that,
Speaker 1: and just just a few because I do want to
Speaker 1: take a look at just where all these local players
Speaker 1: are projected to go, because obviously the attention has been
Speaker 1: on Tyler Schuck for good reason. I mean, quarterbacks usually
Speaker 1: you get talked about way more than any of the
Speaker 1: position in the draft, but he is somebody that has
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, maybe I'm just caught up in
Speaker 1: the Louisville world here not looking.
Speaker 2: At the rest of the draft and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to players that when the season ended,
Speaker 1: there wasn't really much said about them at all as
Speaker 1: far as being likely taken early in the NFL draft,
Speaker 1: and then here we are a couple of days away.
Speaker 1: I mean, Chuck's got it, the guy of all positions
Speaker 1: that has kind of begun. He's been the buzz prospect
Speaker 1: in this year's draft, which sometimes you know it's a
Speaker 1: smoke screen, or sometimes you know it's all for nothing.
Speaker 2: But we shall see.
Speaker 1: All I'm hearing is good stuff, which you don't know
Speaker 1: if that's legit or not when you get this close
Speaker 1: to the to the NFL Draft, But real quick, just
Speaker 1: when it comes to the portal, you know, I've yet
Speaker 1: to see any big news today as far as a
Speaker 1: big name that that surprises folks. I did make the
Speaker 1: prediction at the beginning of the show that we'll have
Speaker 1: at least one big name that makes some kind of
Speaker 1: a decision or makes some an announcement that you know,
Speaker 1: shocks everybody. And there's a really good player that becomes
Speaker 1: available late and everybody's going to be scrambling to get him,
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe the rosters are already set for
Speaker 1: certain schools. Therefore, you know, therefore they want these guys,
Speaker 1: but you know they can't, they can't get them. They
Speaker 1: already fill the spots. So that hasn't happened.
Speaker 2: Just yet.
Speaker 1: But as of four minutes ago, Casein Pryor put out
Speaker 1: a social media video announcing that he's coming back. So
Speaker 1: he did give us the confirmation. All signs pointed to this,
Speaker 1: but I am happy to know that, you know, there's
Speaker 1: no scenario I guess at this point. And again, it's
Speaker 1: good news and it's what I expected, but there is
Speaker 1: a little bit of like, all right, there's the relief
Speaker 1: because I expected him to come back. He didn't do
Speaker 1: anything to make us think that he wasn't.
Speaker 2: But you just never know.
Speaker 1: Anybody leaving at any time in college sports. But the
Speaker 1: most part, I feel like should not surprise you anymore.
Speaker 1: There are some exceptions, but you know, sometimes guys leave
Speaker 1: just because they can't. Nobody did anything wrong. The money
Speaker 1: might have been you know, comparable. So the fact that
Speaker 1: he's letting us know he's back is good. Now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play this video and I will warn you I've
Speaker 1: not heard it yet, So there's highlights. There's like some
Speaker 1: social media clips that they've got in there. He is
Speaker 1: talking briefly, but my guess is that there's just going
Speaker 1: to be some music and then him saying something, so
Speaker 1: it might not be great for radio. But given that
Speaker 1: it is a big piece of news and it's something
Speaker 1: we've talked about out for a while. Now, let's let's
Speaker 1: let's give it a listen and see what we have here. Right.
Speaker 1: So here, they're just showing a bunch of tweets that
Speaker 1: I can't even seem to see what they say. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pause really quickly here. So what they showed
Speaker 1: to kind of set the scene for you is just
Speaker 1: a bunch of social media, like a bunch of tweets
Speaker 1: that they screwed that that they included in the video
Speaker 1: that I get. I they were all so fast. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if it was people like doubting prior or
Speaker 1: saying he wasn't coming back or what it was. But anyways,
Speaker 1: that was what you missed that you couldn't see. And
Speaker 1: then I assume this is case and letting us know
Speaker 1: the big news.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: That's the big news case and prior coming back that
Speaker 1: was the expectation. But he did let us know. And
Speaker 1: if you were somebody that you know, tends to to
Speaker 1: overthink things I do, I don't think I would have been,
Speaker 1: you know, up late, waiting until midnight to see if
Speaker 1: there had been any kind of confirmation one way or
Speaker 1: the other. But rest assured there's no need to worry.
Speaker 1: Now he's told us that he's coming back and watching
Speaker 1: the highlights there that of course you couldn't see, you know,
Speaker 1: because this is radio not TV. You know, five games,
Speaker 1: I mean, he only played in five games before he
Speaker 1: got hurt. He played in the opener against Morehead State.
Speaker 1: He played against Tennessee who you know that was not
Speaker 1: a good game, and then Indiana West Virginia and Oklahoma's
Speaker 1: when he got hurt. So really four and a half games.
Speaker 1: But one thing that really stood out that was missed.
Speaker 1: And again credit to Louisville, Pat Kelsey, all these guys,
Speaker 1: because at times and it was kind of I don't
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know what word to use. It wasn't uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but maybe a little awkward because when things were rolling,
Speaker 1: especially in January, like you would at times forget about
Speaker 1: Cason Pryor and Koran Johnson because the team had started
Speaker 1: to play well and win a lot of games and
Speaker 1: look good doing it, and you know, you felt great
Speaker 1: about the team. So therefore you're not thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: what could have been? I mean, occasionally you would think
Speaker 1: about it, but it was a good thing. That's not
Speaker 1: Cason's fault by any means. But you know, to see
Speaker 1: what I saw in the mostly the games in the
Speaker 1: Bahamas before he got hurt, and I guess briefly against
Speaker 1: Tennessee although that was a bad game for everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: he he gives you some athleticism that you really just
Speaker 1: you know, you didn't have. And this year, meaning this
Speaker 1: upcoming season, I mean, you're gonna have with him a
Speaker 1: very very athletic, versatile guy that can can can can
Speaker 1: really excel and transition. And you know, I'm not thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: what could have been from last year, because again, the
Speaker 1: team did well enough to where it was oftentimes something
Speaker 1: you didn't spend much time thinking about. But Louisville, you know,
Speaker 1: given that he's healthy, which because his injury happened so
Speaker 1: early in the season, it's hard to imagine he won't
Speaker 1: be fully healthy by the time the season starts, because
Speaker 1: you know, I guess that's one benefit of it that
Speaker 1: one you do, you do recover from an ACL tear
Speaker 1: a lot quicker now than you did fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: But you know, whatn't as if he suffered at the
Speaker 1: end of the season. I mean, for example, Kobe Rodgers,
Speaker 1: who did not play last year for Louislle because of him.
Speaker 1: You know, he tore his ACL in the last game
Speaker 1: of the season in the NCAA Tournament when Charleston lost Alabama,
Speaker 1: so that led to him being out.
Speaker 2: A whole year.
Speaker 1: Cason missed a whole year essentially, and with that he
Speaker 1: got another year for a medical red shirt, an added
Speaker 1: year because of the junior college ruling. And if fully healthy,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's going to be shaken off some rust.
Speaker 1: But this kind of feels like a big addition.
Speaker 2: From the portal. I mean it it isn't, but it
Speaker 2: kind of is.
Speaker 1: Right like you, he was a big deal last year,
Speaker 1: right like Cason, I feel like of all the guys
Speaker 1: that you added, and everybody kind of had a different
Speaker 1: layer of excitement, Meaning Chucky was the point guard you
Speaker 1: really knew you needed and you were I mean, that
Speaker 1: was a big git. Terrence Edwards was the first player
Speaker 1: to commit, and he was a great starting piece considering
Speaker 1: he had just upset Wisconsin. Him and James Madison did
Speaker 1: in the NAA Tournament. James Madison beat Michigan State in
Speaker 1: East Lansing that year and oh, by the way, he
Speaker 1: was their best player in one Sun Belt Conference Player
Speaker 1: of the Year. So you were excited about everybody. And
Speaker 1: I loved that it was spaced out because you know,
Speaker 1: Karin Johnson, he's a guy that all packed twelve six
Speaker 1: man or I guess, the six man of the year in
Speaker 1: the PAC, twelve double figure scorer in a Power five league,
Speaker 1: former four star recruit, a good shooter, and again he
Speaker 1: got hurt, but like that was a nice piece. Jamon Hadley,
Speaker 1: mister versatile. When if you remember they were going after
Speaker 1: they needed they needed front court players, they needed they
Speaker 1: needed a stretch forward and they you know, I don't
Speaker 1: really remember anybody outside of great Osibor that they were
Speaker 1: going after that. They they didn't get now they were
Speaker 1: they were looking at some guys they ended up elsewhere,
Speaker 1: Like one kid ended up going to Kansas State.
Speaker 2: It was transferring.
Speaker 1: So again, Cason was a big deal because he's the
Speaker 1: exact kind of guy you needed that you didn't have.
Speaker 1: And Osibor said no to Louisville and everybody else decided
Speaker 1: to follow Danny Sprinkle to Washington, and that probably let
Speaker 1: Louisville offer a little bit more money to somebody like
Speaker 1: Cason Pryor, and you know, I think you could see
Speaker 1: right away that he's he's a talented player, but you
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to get any of it because
Speaker 1: he got hurt so early. And now you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's an obvious thing that we've kind of
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a no brainer, Like you don't really
Speaker 1: know what you lost, and because the team ended up
Speaker 1: actually having a really good season despite him only playing
Speaker 1: five games, maybe you don't truly realize what you were missing,
Speaker 1: right because you weren't sitting around thinking, oh, what could
Speaker 1: have been?
Speaker 2: I mean maybe you did at times.
Speaker 1: I know we did, whenever you were losing early on
Speaker 1: in the season, whenever those guys had just gotten injured.
Speaker 1: But kind of going back to what I said about
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that the case in Pryor is
Speaker 1: as valuable as a player as zotega Oway, although I
Speaker 1: mean maybe he is. I don't know stuff to say
Speaker 1: because he got hurt. But going back to what we
Speaker 1: talked about earlier with Kentucky, a lot of their additions
Speaker 1: in the portal I think are good pieces that a
Speaker 1: lot of teams would love to have. I think the
Speaker 1: majority of the guys they got at certain positions were
Speaker 1: not their first choice at said positions, but still they
Speaker 1: got some good pieces. But they didn't need to go
Speaker 1: out and get an elite guy that everybody wanted because
Speaker 1: they got Takeaway Back, who I think was their best
Speaker 1: player last year and will probably be an All American
Speaker 1: All American caliber player this year. So with Cason, I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to be an All American
Speaker 1: caliber player, but like who knows. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: to see Louisville have three commitments from the portal that
Speaker 1: are all viewed as top twenty players in the transfer portal.
Speaker 1: So maybe Ryan Conwell, maybe Adrian Wooley, maybe those guys
Speaker 1: are your best player. Maybe it's Isaac McNeely, or maybe
Speaker 1: it's Case and Pryor, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: he's not an addition to your team, but he kind
Speaker 1: of is because you didn't have him last year as
Speaker 1: far as being healthy and able to play. So that's
Speaker 1: the news you guys just now joining us. Case and
Speaker 1: Pryor did go ahead and let us know on the
Speaker 1: deadline day that he is coming back to Louisville, and
Speaker 1: that is that's great news. And again I'm I'm reacting
Speaker 1: to news that I didn't think would be like in
Speaker 1: any way of surprise, and it's not. But now that
Speaker 1: it's official, certainly certainly exciting. Right again, it's coffee and company,
Speaker 1: and we are fiel about Thornton's here on Sports Talk
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Speaker 2: Yesterday, throughout the.
Speaker 1: Day and even maybe even maybe it's even happening today,
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of players who are entering the
Speaker 1: portal that have no eligibility, and I.
Speaker 2: Mean, it's it. It's to me, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: But I also understand that you'd be foolish not to
Speaker 1: take advantage of another year in college if there becomes
Speaker 1: a scenario where you you get in an extra year.
Speaker 1: But with the NC double A completely being a mess
Speaker 1: right now, I mean it. I just think yesterday seeing
Speaker 1: so many guys enter the portal that have played four
Speaker 1: some five years over one hundred and twenty games in
Speaker 1: their career, they don't even have any they don't even
Speaker 1: have an explanation, like they don't even like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what a waiver looks like for the NC double A.
Speaker 1: Butt's let's just imagine that it's like a document that
Speaker 1: you have to fill out, and you have like four
Speaker 1: to five options as far as what your reasoning is,
Speaker 1: like is it medical, is it family emergency, whatever, like,
Speaker 1: whatever your options are. Most of these guys have nothing
Speaker 1: to choose. They're just gonna submit it and hope that
Speaker 1: it gets through. And again, I don't blame them, because, right,
Speaker 1: why not give it a shot if others are doing
Speaker 1: it too, right, there's nothing, there's nothing really to lose
Speaker 1: other than I guess some personal pride and some shame,
Speaker 1: because again, there's just something about it that screams like
Speaker 1: it's over, man, Like go start your life. You had
Speaker 1: a great run. You know, you're you're you know, send
Speaker 1: Billy Madison, you know what I mean. Like it's over, bro, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, go go go get a job, update that
Speaker 1: LinkedIn profile, you know, find find work. I mean, there
Speaker 1: will be life after basketball. Like a part of me
Speaker 1: says that, like that, that aspect is what makes it sad.
Speaker 1: But you know what's the saddest part is that it's
Speaker 1: because of the NC douable A. There's no there's no rules,
Speaker 1: seemingly right, now, they've never had less control, there's never
Speaker 1: been less fear of the NC double A. People are
Speaker 1: doing whatever they want and just you know, I guess
Speaker 1: daring the nc DOUBLEA to you know, regulate things and
Speaker 1: operate as if there are guardrails and rules and things
Speaker 1: you have to do. It's just everybody doing whatever the
Speaker 1: hell they want, and daring the NC double A to
Speaker 1: you know, show that they have any kind of authority
Speaker 1: to to to fight you, or to to challenge you
Speaker 1: or tell you what you can and can't do, because
Speaker 1: right now, because they for generations had this archaic amateurism
Speaker 1: model and it's now been ruled legally that that was
Speaker 1: not a legal thing for them to do. You fight,
Speaker 1: you know, you hire a lawyer, you fight it. You're
Speaker 1: probably gonna win. I mean, I say that somewhat sarcastically
Speaker 1: because I just don't know what the like. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you could claim you'd need you deserve eligibility
Speaker 1: for if you take the The NCUBA is very beatable
Speaker 1: right now in court, that's been proven. But you can't
Speaker 1: just go to court and say, yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: should be able to play six years in college because
Speaker 1: because because there's money to be made like that that
Speaker 1: you probably won't win, right, but everybody's trying.
Speaker 2: It because there's zero.
Speaker 1: Respect, fear awareness of the nc DOUBLEA and what their
Speaker 1: rules are, so like, yeah, people can make fun of
Speaker 1: these guys, and I guess I was kind of doing
Speaker 1: that yesterday as we made it a big part of
Speaker 1: the show. But the people like, if you want to
Speaker 1: point fingers and make fun, make fun of the n
Speaker 1: doable A. Like their existence is hilarious right now, And
Speaker 1: part of me is like, you know, what really can
Speaker 1: they do? They don't have resources to you know, regulate things, like,
Speaker 1: they don't have subpoena power. They can't really enforce stuff.
Speaker 1: And right now they try to enforce things. Schools are
Speaker 1: hiring a lawyer and the NABA is being told, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't do that, and that puts them in a
Speaker 1: position that's, you know, really tough to be and right
Speaker 1: what are they supposed to do? They're pretty helpless and
Speaker 1: I'm sure the people right now that are working with
Speaker 1: the NC DOUBLEA, like as employees, trying to get this thing,
Speaker 1: trying to get this whole college athletics world back on
Speaker 1: track and clean it up a little bit, they're not
Speaker 1: the They're not at fault, but it's the entity the
Speaker 1: organization for again generations. They never made any kind of adjustments.
Speaker 1: They wanted you to think that the rules in place
Speaker 1: to play college athletics back in the nineteen fifties is
Speaker 1: if they had it their way, it would still be
Speaker 1: that way. They would have not made any kind of
Speaker 1: adjustments to you know, modern society. So when you are
Speaker 1: just so dug in on the way you did it forever,
Speaker 1: you get to this point where it blows up and
Speaker 1: I think yesterday seeing I mean, just think of it.
Speaker 1: Just I mean, like, nothing surprises us right now in
Speaker 1: college sports, but just.
Speaker 2: Say it out loud.
Speaker 1: You got guys that are entering the portal that are
Speaker 1: no longer college athletes, but trying to still be college
Speaker 1: athletes because they just in their mind and I guess
Speaker 1: their attorneys are their agents whoever are like, why not
Speaker 1: give it a shot. The NAA's getting body bagged every day.
Speaker 1: So anyways, real quick, we got to get to a break.
Speaker 1: But I will say, did we get a name that
Speaker 1: you know fits the criteria for what I said at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, I said, I think by
Speaker 1: the end of the day or the end of the show,
Speaker 1: we'll have a player that hits the portal that everybody's
Speaker 1: going to be really excited about. That's going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, a big, a big popular player that everybody
Speaker 1: wants if they have, if they've got roster spots and
Speaker 1: money open.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this guy fits the criteria, but
Speaker 2: I kind of think he does.
Speaker 1: Boogie Fland former John Caliperry guard who committed to Kentucky
Speaker 1: and to play for Calviot. Obviously calgoes dark and saw
Speaker 1: he followed him there. I mean, I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like Boogie flanned. I mean, he didn't play a ton
Speaker 1: because he got injured, but when he was healthy, he
Speaker 1: was Arkansas's best player. They made the Sweet sixteen. He's
Speaker 1: a former five star guard, so I think that fits it.
Speaker 1: So therefore my prediction was correct, probably the only thing
Speaker 1: I'll get correct today.
Speaker 2: But hey, I'll take it all right, quick break. What
Speaker 2: I want to do.
Speaker 1: On the other side, take a look at some NFL
Speaker 1: draft stuff, some guys that I think, you know, wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock me if despite being taken late and not getting
Speaker 1: a whole lot of love, I could see him having
Speaker 1: long NFL careers and guys who you know didn't have
Speaker 1: long NFL careers. Some of these guys who you know
Speaker 1: are viewed as all time busts. I want, I want
Speaker 1: you to keep this in mind. They couldn't control the
Speaker 1: fact that somebody thought they were as good as they
Speaker 1: you know, good enough and worthy of a top pick, and.
Speaker 2: You know they weren't overrated.
Speaker 1: Is a tough spot to be in because, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, you can't control it, right, you're not ranking yourself.
Speaker 1: So I have a little sympathy for those that you
Speaker 1: know were drafted early, had a lot of expectation, couldn't
Speaker 1: live up to it. I mean, again, it's their job.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get it done, but you know they didn't
Speaker 1: pick themselves. All right, quick break, keep it lock right
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Speaker 1: a little bit further than that. We will be out
Speaker 1: about thirty minutes early today because we've got a Louisville
Speaker 1: Bats game coming your way. Their coverage will start around
Speaker 1: five thirty, so an hour left and we'll make the
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Speaker 1: fuel about Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety just a
Speaker 1: couple of days away from the NFL Draft and right
Speaker 1: now and again, there's all kinds of different different NFL
Speaker 1: mock drafts out there, and I don't really even have
Speaker 1: one that I feel like is, you know, more trustworthy
Speaker 1: than the other. In fact, there's way more coverage on
Speaker 1: the internet, way more outlets that really prioritize NFL draft
Speaker 1: coverage compared to the NBA Draft. But you know, I've
Speaker 1: always referenced mock drafts, but I've never once looked at one,
Speaker 1: I don't think, and felt like, okay, well this one
Speaker 1: is you know, this is mel Kiper, this is Todd McShay.
Speaker 1: No offens to those guys, but I just in the NFL,
Speaker 1: I've always felt like it's a little bit harder to predict.
Speaker 1: But right now, here is the expectation according to let's
Speaker 1: see who I just pulled up here.
Speaker 2: This is CBS Sports, and.
Speaker 1: It doesn't show I guess this is like a collection
Speaker 1: of their staff that is collectively putting together a mock
Speaker 1: draft either way, And it sounds as if cam word
Speaker 1: has already been told that he's going to be the
Speaker 1: first pick. So cam Ward quarterback to the Titans number one,
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter number two to the Browns of Dual Carter,
Speaker 1: the edge from Penn State number three to the Giants,
Speaker 1: Will Campbell, an offensive tackle from LS Shoo to the Patriots,
Speaker 1: and then Mason Graham, a D lineman from Michigan to
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 2: So Ashton Jenz.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's starting to seem as if he's going
Speaker 1: to be likely taken with the six pick to go
Speaker 1: to the Raiders. And I could be wrong, but I
Speaker 1: feel like it's been a while since we had a
Speaker 1: running back taking this early. I could completely be making
Speaker 1: that up, but obviously the ringing back position in the
Speaker 1: NFL is so different now than it was even five
Speaker 1: six years ago. Seems like, I mean, I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like if you're going to draft a running back
Speaker 1: in the first round, even I mean doing it at
Speaker 1: number six, I mean, maybe this guy has a long career,
Speaker 1: but think about it in the NFL with a first
Speaker 1: round pick. Best case scenario for you is that a
Speaker 1: guy plays and has a sensational season or a sensational
Speaker 1: career that lasts many years, multiple contracts, right if that happens,
Speaker 1: even if you don't win a Super Bowl, but you
Speaker 1: end up bringing in a guy that is clearly good
Speaker 1: and you value him. You know that if you don't
Speaker 1: keep signing him, he's gonna go elsewhere like that. That's
Speaker 1: that's what you know. Obviously you want to win, but
Speaker 1: it takes more than just one draft pick. So what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at is, I guess the payoff the draft
Speaker 1: a running back because again, how many running backs are
Speaker 1: even getting big time second contracts now?
Speaker 2: Not many? And I hate that for these guys.
Speaker 1: But like, if you are keeping up with how the
Speaker 1: NFL you know operates this day and age, like the
Speaker 1: better move for you is to go get a running
Speaker 1: back right out of college that maybe you know you
Speaker 1: can get as an undrafted free agent, utilize him for
Speaker 1: you know, a few years. I mean again, maybe take
Speaker 1: him in the late rounds. I mean so, anyways, I
Speaker 1: guess if the raiders, I mean, what they would look
Speaker 1: at is, Okay, he's on his rookie deal, he's rather
Speaker 1: cheap right now, and then by the time by the
Speaker 1: time he gets to his second contract, you'll let you
Speaker 1: let him walk because you know, playing four years in
Speaker 1: the NFL as a running back is like, you know,
Speaker 1: or playing four years at most positions in the NFL
Speaker 1: is seemingly like playing ten years as a running back.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think Genti's good, but I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like seeing him being projected
Speaker 1: to be taken that early is a real surprise. But
Speaker 1: looking at the rest of this mock draft, I just
Speaker 1: want to reference, at least if I can find it again,
Speaker 1: there's seven and if there's seven rounds, so it's not
Speaker 1: as easy to uh, it's not as easy to uh
Speaker 1: to figure out. But let's see. That's my We'll come
Speaker 1: back to this because I'm gonna make sure I need
Speaker 1: to filter it out to where I can actually see
Speaker 1: it because I want I don't want to just look
Speaker 1: at Chuck. I want to look at Ashton, Jilotti, Quincy Riley,
Speaker 1: maybe even Jacry Brooks. So we'll get into that coming
Speaker 1: up here a little bit later. What I also wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about when it comes to the NFL draft
Speaker 1: is some names we discussed yesterday, Guys that are viewed
Speaker 1: and believed to be you know, all time busts. I
Speaker 1: defended a lot of guys yesterday just by saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, just because you didn't end up being like
Speaker 1: one of the best players to ever play. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's unfair to say that you're a bust. And
Speaker 1: because you were a really good player and you were taken,
Speaker 1: I don't know, number three, and you had a good
Speaker 1: career ten years, all pro, maybe not elite, but you
Speaker 1: were good for a long time. But yet somebody was
Speaker 1: taken in the twenties and they are believed to be
Speaker 1: an all time great. That doesn't mean you're a bust.
Speaker 1: It just means that you know, somebody slipped late. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm so sensitive to the whole bust conversation,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like it's almost impossible to live
Speaker 1: up to that, right, Like, what's this? I mean again,
Speaker 1: you go back and look at all time number one
Speaker 1: draft picks, guys that you would say are for sure
Speaker 1: not a bust. I mean, how many of those guys
Speaker 1: are there? And I mean, what do they accomplish? Because
Speaker 1: I think you have expectations so high, especially if you're
Speaker 1: a quarterback being taken number one in the NFL. That's
Speaker 1: a really, really, really tough thing to see through because
Speaker 1: usually you're gonna get thrown right in there because they
Speaker 1: need you. And the reason that you're being taken number one,
Speaker 1: or the reason that team, I should say, is taking
Speaker 1: you at number one is because they sucked. That's how
Speaker 1: they ended up with the number one pick. They were
Speaker 1: the worst team in the league. And let's go throw
Speaker 1: this rookie quarterback out there and see if he can
Speaker 1: make them any better. Again, I don't hear people mention
Speaker 1: these things, and I guess there's no way to know
Speaker 1: for sure, but I feel like you could take like,
Speaker 1: let's say, let's just say there are three tiers of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL, really good, good, and then you know,
Speaker 1: good enough to start. But if they could find somebody better,
Speaker 1: they would get them. That's that third tier, meaning find
Speaker 1: somebody you know they could they could find somebody better,
Speaker 1: they would take it. I feel like if you were
Speaker 1: to just take any of those guys, maybe not any
Speaker 1: of them, but a lot of them, and you put
Speaker 1: them in the same situation that the number one pick
Speaker 1: at quarterback is going to be in when he inherits,
Speaker 1: when he walks into a situation, I feel like they
Speaker 1: would be just as bad.
Speaker 2: Like it wouldn't be a big upgrade.
Speaker 1: Now again, maybe a lot of those guys that are
Speaker 1: in that third tier aren't viewed as number one potential players,
Speaker 1: like they didn't have that kind of hype. But still,
Speaker 1: like it really is such a tough scenario to envision
Speaker 1: a number one pick at quarterback going to an awful
Speaker 1: team and that team being any good in a couple
Speaker 1: of years. Like, it's just it's almost a winless battle.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's happened. I mean Joe Burrow, I mean
Speaker 1: he got the Bengals to the super Bowl pretty early.
Speaker 1: That was unheard of and he was the number one pick.
Speaker 2: But it's rare, it really is.
Speaker 1: So anyways, this is from college sports only the Twitter account.
Speaker 1: They have a thread here as far as where are
Speaker 1: they now? These guys that are, you know, believed to
Speaker 1: be some of the biggest bust in the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, we talked about him yesterday. He was the
Speaker 1: tenth pick in the twenty twenty one draft. Obviously went
Speaker 1: ahead of Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: then Josh Rosen, then Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2: So between.
Speaker 1: Allen and Jackson, you have three MVP Awards and the
Speaker 1: guy taking between those two guys Rosen and you know,
Speaker 1: he played a few games in the NFL did not
Speaker 1: work out. So currently he is now a student at
Speaker 1: Penn's Wharton School of Business. So regardless of the NFL
Speaker 1: not working out, he clearly put away a little bit
Speaker 1: of money and has started his life post football. Probably
Speaker 1: not what he envisioned, but you know, there you go.
Speaker 1: How about Paxton Lynch had a Memphis He was drafted
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. I know he was, I think I
Speaker 1: think he played a few different places, but I remember
Speaker 1: him being in Denver.
Speaker 2: According to this, he is now just a sports dad.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I don't know what he
Speaker 1: does for work, but apparently, if you will, like keep
Speaker 1: up with him on social media, all he talks about
Speaker 1: is you know, watching his kids play sports, which, hey,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. And again, if
Speaker 1: you flame out in the NFL and you had, you know,
Speaker 1: a few years to try to make it work, it
Speaker 1: does suck that you didn't make it work, and you've
Speaker 1: got to move on and realize that you weren't able
Speaker 1: to do it. You weren't able to last in the NFL.
Speaker 1: As long as you wanted to. But it's not like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're losing your job and becoming homeless. You
Speaker 1: made millions of dollars to play football, so you got
Speaker 1: a good You got a good. When you do have
Speaker 1: to start life after realizing that you didn't have what
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought you had as far as
Speaker 1: being able to make it as a pro athlete, you're
Speaker 1: likely in a good spot to start your new life
Speaker 1: after football or basketball or whatever it is, because you know,
Speaker 1: let'st I check professional athletes to make a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel he is such a figure within sports, and
Speaker 1: he was such a I mean a character that he's
Speaker 1: always seemingly maintained a level of relevance that you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think is fading anytime soon, but obviously he is.
Speaker 2: He's got his.
Speaker 1: Own like golf apparel line, and he's got a podcast
Speaker 1: that apparently does really well and he makes good money
Speaker 1: doing it. And of course, you know, he made a
Speaker 1: lot of money in the NFL, and he made a
Speaker 1: lot of money with endorsements. I'm sure, because you know,
Speaker 1: he was Johnny Football, Brandon Whedon. I don't remember a
Speaker 1: whole lot of him in the NFL other than just
Speaker 1: a brief stretch with the Browns. But he was drafted
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve and now he runs the Brandon Whedon Foundation.
Speaker 2: Whatever that is.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a positive, a positive thing for his
Speaker 1: community wherever he lives.
Speaker 2: Jake Locker, he is a very forgettable guy.
Speaker 1: But he was drafted out of Washington and ended up
Speaker 1: in Nashville with the Titans. And I don't remember him ever.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember playing, but not long. But he
Speaker 1: now is the co owner of Locker Room Fitness Center
Speaker 1: in Washington, so he's got his own gym. Jimmy Clauston.
Speaker 1: How about that guy? For to talk about a name
Speaker 1: I forgot about. He was in the twenty ten draft.
Speaker 1: He's a real estate developer in LA. And then some
Speaker 1: of these guys have moved on to be analysts. Mark Sanchez.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was a BUZST, but he's
Speaker 1: listed here. I mean, he was a guy who you know,
Speaker 1: played a while in the NFL. He's mostly remembered with
Speaker 1: the BUF fumble, if you guys remember that many years ago. Also,
Speaker 1: I remember him and Rex Ryan for beating Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: in one of the last good years we had of
Speaker 1: Peyton and Indian. I was a bummer to lose to Sanchez,
Speaker 1: but he's doing a good job, I think as an
Speaker 1: analyst for Fox. And then Brady Quinn he's now uh
Speaker 1: you hear him on Fox Sports Radio and also he
Speaker 1: is a part of the Big Noon Kickoff, which is
Speaker 1: the uh Fox version of college game Day. And then
Speaker 1: JaMarcus Russell probably the all time bust and a guy
Speaker 1: that unfortunately there hasn't really been any like good stories
Speaker 1: about him that I've that I've seen since he flamed
Speaker 1: out of the NFL. In fact, the last story that
Speaker 1: came up this was last year he was fired as
Speaker 1: a high school assistant coach in his hometown because he
Speaker 1: stole seventy four thousand dollars from the from.
Speaker 2: The football program. I mean that's just sad. I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't really know, like when you say sad, like
Speaker 1: you know who, like you got to think about like
Speaker 1: who the victim is and something sad like. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it's just sad for him that like that's
Speaker 1: his life that he because he's somebody that I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure why he was viewed as a guy that
Speaker 1: was a surefire I mean, look, maybe if it wasn't
Speaker 1: maybe if it wasn't the Raiders taking him number one,
Speaker 1: then he would have fallen and other teams would have
Speaker 1: known to avoid the risk that was JaMarcus Russell. But
Speaker 1: I mean flamed out in the NFL. And there's so
Speaker 1: many stories that you know, make him look bad, like
Speaker 1: it's actually a funny story, but it also is, you know,
Speaker 1: not surprising if you have followed JaMarcus Russell in any way,
Speaker 1: that they didn't believe that he was watching the game
Speaker 1: film they were given him. He just told him that
Speaker 1: he was, so to test him, they gave him game
Speaker 1: film that had nothing on it, there was nothing to watch,
Speaker 1: and they asked him if he watched it, and he so, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was.
Speaker 2: Game film or what.
Speaker 1: It was just you know, playbook stuff or I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. They gave him a playbook and
Speaker 1: it had nothing in it, that's what it was, wasn't film.
Speaker 1: And they asked him if he'd he'd been studying and
Speaker 1: he said yeah, And he didn't realize that. You know,
Speaker 1: pretty easy to catch you in the line when they
Speaker 1: gave you a playbook that was empty and that was
Speaker 1: a story that came out like many years after. I
Speaker 1: think he bounced out of the NFL. But I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy have a hard time seeing somebody fall harder
Speaker 1: than he did after being taken number one and all
Speaker 1: that expectation, all that hype and then now a sad,
Speaker 1: sad tale for sure.
Speaker 2: Matt Lioner. Again, some of these guys aren't busted. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I guess. I guess maybe these aren't viewed
Speaker 2: as bust.
Speaker 1: These are just guys that some of them are, obviously,
Speaker 1: But some of these other guys are just quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: got drafted and you know, did not have lengthy careers.
Speaker 1: But Ryan Leaf, I thought he was somebody that you know,
Speaker 1: would never be topped. But I think he has been
Speaker 1: topped by JaMarcus Russell because you know, despite Ryan Leaf
Speaker 1: being he was the second pick overall at quarterback in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight. Again he went ahead of Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: and he clearly, I mean, he couldn't hack it. He
Speaker 1: was I mean, he was out of the NFL pretty quickly,
Speaker 1: and you know was awful. I mean as far as
Speaker 1: like a guy taking that early and as far as production,
Speaker 1: he's he's right there with the JaMarcus Russell and then
Speaker 1: you remember, you know, he anything you heard about him
Speaker 1: post NFL was that he was in trouble with the law,
Speaker 1: getting arrested for drug possession. I think he became addicted
Speaker 1: to drugs and because of that he became you know,
Speaker 1: a criminal and was breaking the law with burglary and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Well, then he ended up
Speaker 1: getting treatment and has been from an I understand, he's
Speaker 1: been completely you know, out of trouble for many years now.
Speaker 1: And he also currently works for the CW as a
Speaker 1: college football analyst. So you know, it's a guy who
Speaker 1: I thought would never be topped, and sure enough, JaMarcus
Speaker 1: Russell has I think, outdone him as far as the
Speaker 1: biggest all time bust. And now you know, Ryan Leaf is,
Speaker 1: you know, seemingly living a much better life than he
Speaker 1: was right after the NFL. All right, let's do this
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll come back and wrap up the four
Speaker 1: o'clock hour. Talk a little more about where the local
Speaker 1: players here from both Louisville, Kentucky and even Indiana are
Speaker 1: expected to go.
Speaker 2: And who knows.
Speaker 1: We got a lot to get into, but not a
Speaker 1: lot of time left because of course, we're at a
Speaker 1: little earlier today, so we'll make the most of what
Speaker 1: we have to work with. Keep it locked right here
Speaker 1: on Sports Talk seven ninety. So I missed this earlier,
Speaker 1: but the younger la mala a. I. I'm sure I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that correctly. But Niko's brother, he also is
Speaker 1: going to be heading to UCLA. Bad news came out
Speaker 1: over the weekend or maybe yesterday. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: he was at Arkansas, I believe, and I gotta, I
Speaker 1: gotta let me just double check this because.
Speaker 2: I think he was.
Speaker 1: He at UCLA, left to go to Arkansas and then
Speaker 1: came back to UCLA. That sounds crazy, but let's see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ESPN says the younger brother is expected to join former
Speaker 1: Tennessee quarterback at UCLA.
Speaker 2: The younger of the two in.
Speaker 1: Arkansas freshman quarterback will make the move after deciding to
Speaker 1: enter the incitable A transfer portal, sources confirmed to ESPN. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was the number. He was an early enrollly
Speaker 1: so he's never played anywhere, but he was the number
Speaker 1: one forty. He was ranked one forty five overall in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five class and previously spent eight months
Speaker 1: committed to UCLA before he flipped to Arkansas during the
Speaker 1: early signing period in December.
Speaker 2: So he was committed to UCLA.
Speaker 1: I knew there was some kind of connection where he'd
Speaker 1: already been affiliated with UCLA in some way. So he
Speaker 1: was committed to UCLA and then flipped to Arkansas enrolled
Speaker 1: early in December. And now that his brother's going to UCLA,
Speaker 1: little bro is going to follow him to UCLA and
Speaker 1: Arkansas they are they're fighting this now because of just
Speaker 1: how things are currently. You know, I was gonna say regulated,
Speaker 1: but there's really no regulation in the NCUBLA. But they can't.
Speaker 1: They can't, like they can't fight to keep him ineligible. However,
Speaker 1: they are fighting, I guess, to uphold the contract that
Speaker 1: he signed. So this is from one hundre Ye At,
Speaker 1: the director of Athletics for Arkansas.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 1: I've spoken with the leadership team at Arkansas Edge and
Speaker 1: express my support in their pursuit to enforce their rights
Speaker 1: under any agreement violated by our student athletes. Moving forward,
Speaker 1: we appreciate edges investment in our student athletes and acknowledge
Speaker 1: the enforcement of these agreements is vital in our new world.
Speaker 2: Of college athletics. We look forward to continue.
Speaker 1: Dialogue with all parties and resolving these matters. So Arkansas's
Speaker 1: taking measures to enforce the contract they signed with this
Speaker 1: young man, and that's what you should do. That's why
Speaker 1: you have things in writing. And where it really gets
Speaker 1: just tough for these schools is that. I mean, as
Speaker 1: much as I blame it on the NCAA, and as
Speaker 1: much as at times I say, look, you know, coaches,
Speaker 1: you know they shouldn't complain so much about players getting
Speaker 1: paid and players being able to go wherever they want
Speaker 1: because you know a lot of people have to make
Speaker 1: adjustments and whatnot. Right, your job duties can certainly change
Speaker 1: over years because you know, society evolves. So when it
Speaker 1: comes to having to make some adjustments and some changes
Speaker 1: along the way to your job, that's really that's that's normal.
Speaker 1: And these guys, by the way, they don't have to
Speaker 1: win to make all their money. So yeah, I oftentimes
Speaker 1: and I still believe everything I said, like coaches complaining
Speaker 1: about it one does nothing. And if it's just about
Speaker 1: the fact that they don't like players being able to
Speaker 1: go wherever they want or players making money, I mean,
Speaker 1: then go do something else, because you know it's not changing,
Speaker 1: but if their gripe really comes from the just you know,
Speaker 1: helplessness that they that they that they currently operate under,
Speaker 1: I mean I get it because you're not because the
Speaker 1: nc DOUBLEA is still trying to, you know, not have
Speaker 1: these college athletes viewed as employees. Like that's what they're
Speaker 1: so against is them identifying as employee status, which then again,
Speaker 1: you know, changes everything about taxing, the scholarships and all that.
Speaker 2: It's a whole mess.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the real thing that could potentially change
Speaker 1: college athletics forever. I mean, I think we'd have something,
Speaker 1: and I mean we probably would have what we have
Speaker 1: now would just be it would probably just be called
Speaker 1: pro sports. I mean, we know it is, we don't
Speaker 1: call it that. But anyways, what I'm getting at is
Speaker 1: because you are not allowed to quote pay for play,
Speaker 1: meaning we know that this is pay for play, right,
Speaker 1: Like these players are going to a school to play
Speaker 1: a sport, but they're paid for just being who they are,
Speaker 1: not for the sport. And again I hope you can
Speaker 1: sense the sarcast and because it's all a ruse, like
Speaker 1: it's it's not real. But because the NCAA is so
Speaker 1: dead set on these guys not being paid for play
Speaker 1: in any money that they get, even if it's millions
Speaker 1: of dollars, it's just because of who they are, not
Speaker 1: because that they're there to play sport. That's the way
Speaker 1: it has to be with the NCUBLEA. So when you
Speaker 1: write these contracts, you can't, like, you are not allowed
Speaker 1: under the NSCUABAA rule book to if there even is
Speaker 1: one anymore to say that this guy is you know,
Speaker 1: the terms of the deal cannot include paying or I'm
Speaker 1: sorry playing. It can be you know, it can include
Speaker 1: like appearances and I don't even think you can include
Speaker 1: it to like how long you stay there. Now, what
Speaker 1: you can do is basically say that if you take
Speaker 1: money and you know whatever, the But where it gets
Speaker 1: really tricky is that if you're going to put in
Speaker 1: the contract detail specific things that this person signing the contract,
Speaker 1: this player has to do in order to fully get
Speaker 1: whatever is coming with the deal, it can include a
Speaker 1: lot of things that you know are obvious, right like
Speaker 1: sticking around playing you know, for the team and not
Speaker 1: opting out and transferring. So I'll be curious to see
Speaker 1: what the verbiage is here with this contract because I mean,
Speaker 1: they need there's no way it had anything to do
Speaker 1: with he had to stay there and play. I mean,
Speaker 1: go back to I've already forgotten the young man's name,
Speaker 1: Triton Flowers. You know, he came to Louisville, got in
Speaker 1: IL money to do that, obviously, big time recruit, and
Speaker 1: then he got here and realized, oh it's a mess
Speaker 1: talking about Kenny Payne, and he got out he'd have
Speaker 1: to give any money back. I mean, I think he
Speaker 1: had some kind of a deal. I mean, clearly he
Speaker 1: had in IL money, but I'm not sure what the
Speaker 1: contract was. But I mean, if you remember, his father
Speaker 1: was pretty outspoken and saying like he's still uphold he
Speaker 1: upheld his end of the deal, and he appeared at
Speaker 1: some engagements. I think that's actually why he stuck around
Speaker 1: as long as he did before he decided to bail
Speaker 1: and go overseas instead of, you know, playing in colleges,
Speaker 1: because I think he knew that if he stuck around
Speaker 1: just long enough, he would not have to give back
Speaker 1: any of the money that he had taken because he
Speaker 1: appeared at some events. So that that does leave you
Speaker 1: helpless because you know you've got to pay players to
Speaker 1: get him there, but the NCAA still is acting as
Speaker 1: if they're not there to play a sport and you're
Speaker 1: just paying them for existing. And that makes it to
Speaker 1: where when it comes down to putting pen to paper
Speaker 1: and upholding an agreement, you know, like contracts are four,
Speaker 1: you really can't enforce anything.
Speaker 2: It's a mess.
Speaker 1: I feel like every day on the show that's brought up.
Speaker 1: But not only because it's something that you know, we
Speaker 1: talk about, like it's not a planned thing, but like
Speaker 1: Arkansas is clearly wanting to get back money they paid
Speaker 1: for this player who never played a second for them,
Speaker 1: and I think that they're they have every right to
Speaker 1: do that, but because of the NCAA and they're incompetence,
Speaker 1: I'm sure the contract probably doesn't have anything in it
Speaker 1: that will make him have to pay any money back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could be wrong. We shall see. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to a break. We'll come back on the
Speaker 1: other side. I got We got about thirty minutes before
Speaker 1: we get out of here and get you to the
Speaker 1: Louis of Bads game.
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