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<v Speaker 1>All right, hour number two here on a Tuesday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so we are just a couple of days

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<v Speaker 1>away from the NFL Draft, and we'll get into that,

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<v Speaker 1>and just just a few because I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>take a look at just where all these local players

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<v Speaker 1>are projected to go, because obviously the attention has been

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<v Speaker 1>on Tyler Schuck for good reason. I mean, quarterbacks usually

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<v Speaker 1>you get talked about way more than any of the

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<v Speaker 1>position in the draft, but he is somebody that has

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I mean, maybe I'm just caught up in

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<v Speaker 1>the Louisville world here not looking.

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<v Speaker 2>At the rest of the draft and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it comes to players that when the season ended,

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't really much said about them at all as

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<v Speaker 1>far as being likely taken early in the NFL draft,

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<v Speaker 1>and then here we are a couple of days away.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Chuck's got it, the guy of all positions

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<v Speaker 1>that has kind of begun. He's been the buzz prospect

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<v Speaker 1>in this year's draft, which sometimes you know it's a

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<v Speaker 1>smoke screen, or sometimes you know it's all for nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>But we shall see.

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<v Speaker 1>All I'm hearing is good stuff, which you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that's legit or not when you get this close

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<v Speaker 1>to the to the NFL Draft, But real quick, just

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the portal, you know, I've yet

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<v Speaker 1>to see any big news today as far as a

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<v Speaker 1>big name that that surprises folks. I did make the

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<v Speaker 1>prediction at the beginning of the show that we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>at least one big name that makes some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a decision or makes some an announcement that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>shocks everybody. And there's a really good player that becomes

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<v Speaker 1>available late and everybody's going to be scrambling to get him,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, maybe the rosters are already set for

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<v Speaker 1>certain schools. Therefore, you know, therefore they want these guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know they can't, they can't get them. They

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<v Speaker 1>already fill the spots. So that hasn't happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Just yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But as of four minutes ago, Casein Pryor put out

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<v Speaker 1>a social media video announcing that he's coming back. So

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<v Speaker 1>he did give us the confirmation. All signs pointed to this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am happy to know that, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no scenario I guess at this point. And again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>good news and it's what I expected, but there is

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of like, all right, there's the relief

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<v Speaker 1>because I expected him to come back. He didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything to make us think that he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But you just never know.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody leaving at any time in college sports. But the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, I feel like should not surprise you anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some exceptions, but you know, sometimes guys leave

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<v Speaker 1>just because they can't. Nobody did anything wrong. The money

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<v Speaker 1>might have been you know, comparable. So the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he's letting us know he's back is good. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna play this video and I will warn you I've

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<v Speaker 1>not heard it yet, So there's highlights. There's like some

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<v Speaker 1>social media clips that they've got in there. He is

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<v Speaker 1>talking briefly, but my guess is that there's just going

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<v Speaker 1>to be some music and then him saying something, so

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<v Speaker 1>it might not be great for radio. But given that

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<v Speaker 1>it is a big piece of news and it's something

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about out for a while. Now, let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's give it a listen and see what we have here. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So here, they're just showing a bunch of tweets that

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even seem to see what they say. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna pause really quickly here. So what they showed

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of set the scene for you is just

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of social media, like a bunch of tweets

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<v Speaker 1>that they screwed that that they included in the video

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<v Speaker 1>that I get. I they were all so fast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure if it was people like doubting prior or

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<v Speaker 1>saying he wasn't coming back or what it was. But anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>that was what you missed that you couldn't see. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I assume this is case and letting us know

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<v Speaker 1>the big news.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the big news case and prior coming back that

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<v Speaker 1>was the expectation. But he did let us know. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you were somebody that you know, tends to to

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<v Speaker 1>overthink things I do, I don't think I would have been,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, up late, waiting until midnight to see if

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<v Speaker 1>there had been any kind of confirmation one way or

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<v Speaker 1>the other. But rest assured there's no need to worry.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's told us that he's coming back and watching

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<v Speaker 1>the highlights there that of course you couldn't see, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is radio not TV. You know, five games,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he only played in five games before he

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<v Speaker 1>got hurt. He played in the opener against Morehead State.

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<v Speaker 1>He played against Tennessee who you know that was not

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<v Speaker 1>a good game, and then Indiana West Virginia and Oklahoma's

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<v Speaker 1>when he got hurt. So really four and a half games.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing that really stood out that was missed.

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<v Speaker 1>And again credit to Louisville, Pat Kelsey, all these guys,

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<v Speaker 1>because at times and it was kind of I don't

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't know what word to use. It wasn't uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe a little awkward because when things were rolling,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in January, like you would at times forget about

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<v Speaker 1>Cason Pryor and Koran Johnson because the team had started

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<v Speaker 1>to play well and win a lot of games and

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<v Speaker 1>look good doing it, and you know, you felt great

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<v Speaker 1>about the team. So therefore you're not thinking like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what could have been? I mean, occasionally you would think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, but it was a good thing. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>Cason's fault by any means. But you know, to see

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<v Speaker 1>what I saw in the mostly the games in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bahamas before he got hurt, and I guess briefly against

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee although that was a bad game for everybody, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he he gives you some athleticism that you really just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you didn't have. And this year, meaning this

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming season, I mean, you're gonna have with him a

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<v Speaker 1>very very athletic, versatile guy that can can can can

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<v Speaker 1>really excel and transition. And you know, I'm not thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what could have been from last year, because again, the

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<v Speaker 1>team did well enough to where it was oftentimes something

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't spend much time thinking about. But Louisville, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>given that he's healthy, which because his injury happened so

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<v Speaker 1>early in the season, it's hard to imagine he won't

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<v Speaker 1>be fully healthy by the time the season starts, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I guess that's one benefit of it that

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<v Speaker 1>one you do, you do recover from an ACL tear

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<v Speaker 1>a lot quicker now than you did fifteen twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, whatn't as if he suffered at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the season. I mean, for example, Kobe Rodgers,

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<v Speaker 1>who did not play last year for Louislle because of him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he tore his ACL in the last game

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<v Speaker 1>of the season in the NCAA Tournament when Charleston lost Alabama,

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<v Speaker 1>so that led to him being out.

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<v Speaker 2>A whole year.

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<v Speaker 1>Cason missed a whole year essentially, and with that he

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<v Speaker 1>got another year for a medical red shirt, an added

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<v Speaker 1>year because of the junior college ruling. And if fully healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's going to be shaken off some rust.

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<v Speaker 1>But this kind of feels like a big addition.

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<v Speaker 2>From the portal. I mean it it isn't, but it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of is.

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<v Speaker 1>Right like you, he was a big deal last year,

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<v Speaker 1>right like Cason, I feel like of all the guys

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<v Speaker 1>that you added, and everybody kind of had a different

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<v Speaker 1>layer of excitement, Meaning Chucky was the point guard you

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<v Speaker 1>really knew you needed and you were I mean, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a big git. Terrence Edwards was the first player

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<v Speaker 1>to commit, and he was a great starting piece considering

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<v Speaker 1>he had just upset Wisconsin. Him and James Madison did

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<v Speaker 1>in the NAA Tournament. James Madison beat Michigan State in

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<v Speaker 1>East Lansing that year and oh, by the way, he

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<v Speaker 1>was their best player in one Sun Belt Conference Player

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<v Speaker 1>of the Year. So you were excited about everybody. And

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<v Speaker 1>I loved that it was spaced out because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Karin Johnson, he's a guy that all packed twelve six

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<v Speaker 1>man or I guess, the six man of the year in

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<v Speaker 1>the PAC, twelve double figure scorer in a Power five league,

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<v Speaker 1>former four star recruit, a good shooter, and again he

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<v Speaker 1>got hurt, but like that was a nice piece. Jamon Hadley,

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<v Speaker 1>mister versatile. When if you remember they were going after

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<v Speaker 1>they needed they needed front court players, they needed they

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<v Speaker 1>needed a stretch forward and they you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really remember anybody outside of great Osibor that they were

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<v Speaker 1>going after that. They they didn't get now they were

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<v Speaker 1>they were looking at some guys they ended up elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>Like one kid ended up going to Kansas State.

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<v Speaker 2>It was transferring.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, Cason was a big deal because he's the

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<v Speaker 1>exact kind of guy you needed that you didn't have.

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<v Speaker 1>And Osibor said no to Louisville and everybody else decided

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<v Speaker 1>to follow Danny Sprinkle to Washington, and that probably let

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<v Speaker 1>Louisville offer a little bit more money to somebody like

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<v Speaker 1>Cason Pryor, and you know, I think you could see

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<v Speaker 1>right away that he's he's a talented player, but you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get a chance to get any of it because

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<v Speaker 1>he got hurt so early. And now you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's an obvious thing that we've kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a no brainer, Like you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know what you lost, and because the team ended up

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<v Speaker 1>actually having a really good season despite him only playing

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<v Speaker 1>five games, maybe you don't truly realize what you were missing,

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<v Speaker 1>right because you weren't sitting around thinking, oh, what could

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<v Speaker 1>have been?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe you did at times.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we did, whenever you were losing early on

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<v Speaker 1>in the season, whenever those guys had just gotten injured.

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<v Speaker 1>But kind of going back to what I said about

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not saying that the case in Pryor is

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<v Speaker 1>as valuable as a player as zotega Oway, although I

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<v Speaker 1>mean maybe he is. I don't know stuff to say

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<v Speaker 1>because he got hurt. But going back to what we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about earlier with Kentucky, a lot of their additions

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<v Speaker 1>in the portal I think are good pieces that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of teams would love to have. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>majority of the guys they got at certain positions were

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<v Speaker 1>not their first choice at said positions, but still they

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<v Speaker 1>got some good pieces. But they didn't need to go

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<v Speaker 1>out and get an elite guy that everybody wanted because

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<v Speaker 1>they got Takeaway Back, who I think was their best

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<v Speaker 1>player last year and will probably be an All American

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<v Speaker 1>All American caliber player this year. So with Cason, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he's going to be an All American

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<v Speaker 1>caliber player, but like who knows. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>to see Louisville have three commitments from the portal that

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<v Speaker 1>are all viewed as top twenty players in the transfer portal.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe Ryan Conwell, maybe Adrian Wooley, maybe those guys

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<v Speaker 1>are your best player. Maybe it's Isaac McNeely, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's Case and Pryor, you know what I mean. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's not an addition to your team, but he kind

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<v Speaker 2>Yesterday, throughout the.

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<v Speaker 1>Day and even maybe even maybe it's even happening today,

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, it's it. It's to me, it's embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also understand that you'd be foolish not to

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<v Speaker 1>But with the NC double A completely being a mess

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<v Speaker 1>know what a waiver looks like for the NC double A.

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<v Speaker 1>Butt's let's just imagine that it's like a document that

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<v Speaker 1>to five options as far as what your reasoning is,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever your options are. Most of these guys have nothing

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<v Speaker 1>it gets through. And again, I don't blame them, because, right,

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<v Speaker 1>why not give it a shot if others are doing

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<v Speaker 1>it too, right, there's nothing, there's nothing really to lose

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<v Speaker 1>other than I guess some personal pride and some shame,

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<v Speaker 1>because again, there's just something about it that screams like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, go go go get a job, update that

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<v Speaker 1>LinkedIn profile, you know, find find work. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 1>says that, like that, that aspect is what makes it sad.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what's the saddest part is that it's

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<v Speaker 1>because of the NC douable A. There's no there's no rules,

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly right, now, they've never had less control, there's never

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<v Speaker 1>been less fear of the NC double A. People are

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<v Speaker 1>daring the nc DOUBLEA to you know, regulate things and

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<v Speaker 1>operate as if there are guardrails and rules and things

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<v Speaker 1>you have to do. It's just everybody doing whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>to to to fight you, or to to challenge you

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<v Speaker 1>right now, because they for generations had this archaic amateurism

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<v Speaker 1>model and it's now been ruled legally that that was

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<v Speaker 1>not a legal thing for them to do. You fight,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you hire a lawyer, you fight it. You're

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<v Speaker 1>probably gonna win. I mean, I say that somewhat sarcastically

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<v Speaker 1>because I just don't know what the like. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you could claim you'd need you deserve eligibility

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<v Speaker 1>for if you take the The NCUBA is very beatable

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<v Speaker 1>right now in court, that's been proven. But you can't

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<v Speaker 1>just go to court and say, yeah, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to play six years in college because

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<v Speaker 1>because because there's money to be made like that that

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<v Speaker 1>you probably won't win, right, but everybody's trying.

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<v Speaker 2>It because there's zero.

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<v Speaker 1>Respect, fear awareness of the nc DOUBLEA and what their

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<v Speaker 1>these guys, and I guess I was kind of doing

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<v Speaker 1>that yesterday as we made it a big part of

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<v Speaker 1>point fingers and make fun, make fun of the n

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<v Speaker 1>doable A. Like their existence is hilarious right now, And

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<v Speaker 1>part of me is like, you know, what really can

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<v Speaker 1>they do? They don't have resources to you know, regulate things, like,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have subpoena power. They can't really enforce stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And right now they try to enforce things. Schools are

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<v Speaker 1>hiring a lawyer and the NABA is being told, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do that, and that puts them in a

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<v Speaker 1>position that's, you know, really tough to be and right

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<v Speaker 1>what are they supposed to do? They're pretty helpless and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure the people right now that are working with

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<v Speaker 1>the NC DOUBLEA, like as employees, trying to get this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get this whole college athletics world back on

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<v Speaker 1>track and clean it up a little bit, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>the They're not at fault, but it's the entity the

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<v Speaker 1>organization for again generations. They never made any kind of adjustments.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted you to think that the rules in place

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<v Speaker 1>to play college athletics back in the nineteen fifties is

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<v Speaker 1>if they had it their way, it would still be

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<v Speaker 1>that way. They would have not made any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>adjustments to you know, modern society. So when you are

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<v Speaker 1>just so dug in on the way you did it forever,

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<v Speaker 1>you get to this point where it blows up and

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<v Speaker 1>I think yesterday seeing I mean, just think of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just I mean, like, nothing surprises us right now in

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<v Speaker 1>college sports, but just.

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<v Speaker 2>Say it out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>You got guys that are entering the portal that are

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<v Speaker 1>no longer college athletes, but trying to still be college

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<v Speaker 1>athletes because they just in their mind and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>their attorneys are their agents whoever are like, why not

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<v Speaker 1>give it a shot. The NAA's getting body bagged every day.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, real quick, we got to get to a break.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will say, did we get a name that

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<v Speaker 1>you know fits the criteria for what I said at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the show, I said, I think by

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day or the end of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have a player that hits the portal that everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be really excited about. That's going to be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a big, a big popular player that everybody

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<v Speaker 1>wants if they have, if they've got roster spots and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this guy fits the criteria, but

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of think he does.

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<v Speaker 1>Boogie Fland former John Caliperry guard who committed to Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>because he got injured, but when he was healthy, he

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<v Speaker 1>a former five star guard, so I think that fits it.

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<v Speaker 1>So therefore my prediction was correct, probably the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get correct today.

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<v Speaker 2>But hey, I'll take it all right, quick break. What

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other side, take a look at some NFL

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<v Speaker 1>draft stuff, some guys that I think, you know, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>are viewed as all time busts. I want, I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to keep this in mind. They couldn't control the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that somebody thought they were as good as they

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<v Speaker 1>you know, good enough and worthy of a top pick, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know they weren't overrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a tough spot to be in because, to be

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<v Speaker 1>honest with you, you can't control it, right, you're not ranking yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a little sympathy for those that you

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<v Speaker 1>live up to it. I mean, again, it's their job.

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't get it done, but you know they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>five thirty, so an hour left and we'll make the

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days away from the NFL Draft and right

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<v Speaker 1>now and again, there's all kinds of different different NFL

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<v Speaker 1>mock drafts out there, and I don't really even have

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<v Speaker 1>one that I feel like is, you know, more trustworthy

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<v Speaker 1>than the other. In fact, there's way more coverage on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet, way more outlets that really prioritize NFL draft

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<v Speaker 1>coverage compared to the NBA Draft. But you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>always referenced mock drafts, but I've never once looked at one,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think, and felt like, okay, well this one

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<v Speaker 1>But right now, here is the expectation according to let's

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<v Speaker 2>This is CBS Sports, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't show I guess this is like a collection

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<v Speaker 1>of their staff that is collectively putting together a mock

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<v Speaker 1>draft either way, And it sounds as if cam word

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<v Speaker 1>has already been told that he's going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>first pick. So cam Ward quarterback to the Titans number one,

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<v Speaker 1>Travis Hunter number two to the Browns of Dual Carter,

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<v Speaker 2>So Ashton Jenz.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's starting to seem as if he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Raiders. And I could be wrong, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's been a while since we had a

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<v Speaker 1>running back taking this early. I could completely be making

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<v Speaker 1>that up, but obviously the ringing back position in the

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<v Speaker 1>but think about it in the NFL with a first

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<v Speaker 1>career that lasts many years, multiple contracts, right if that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you don't win a Super Bowl, but you

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<v Speaker 2>Not many? And I hate that for these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, if you are keeping up with how the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL you know operates this day and age, like the

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<v Speaker 1>better move for you is to go get a running

421
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<v Speaker 1>back right out of college that maybe you know you

422
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<v Speaker 1>can get as an undrafted free agent, utilize him for

423
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<v Speaker 1>you know, a few years. I mean again, maybe take

424
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<v Speaker 1>him in the late rounds. I mean so, anyways, I

425
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<v Speaker 1>guess if the raiders, I mean, what they would look

426
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<v Speaker 1>at is, Okay, he's on his rookie deal, he's rather

427
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<v Speaker 1>cheap right now, and then by the time by the

428
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<v Speaker 1>time he gets to his second contract, you'll let you

429
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<v Speaker 1>let him walk because you know, playing four years in

430
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<v Speaker 1>the NFL as a running back is like, you know,

431
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<v Speaker 1>or playing four years at most positions in the NFL

432
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<v Speaker 1>is seemingly like playing ten years as a running back.

433
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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I think Genti's good, but I just

434
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I feel like seeing him being projected

435
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<v Speaker 1>to be taken that early is a real surprise. But

436
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<v Speaker 1>looking at the rest of this mock draft, I just

437
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<v Speaker 1>want to reference, at least if I can find it again,

438
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<v Speaker 1>there's seven and if there's seven rounds, so it's not

439
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<v Speaker 1>as easy to uh, it's not as easy to uh

440
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<v Speaker 1>to figure out. But let's see. That's my We'll come

441
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<v Speaker 1>back to this because I'm gonna make sure I need

442
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<v Speaker 1>to filter it out to where I can actually see

443
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<v Speaker 1>it because I want I don't want to just look

444
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<v Speaker 1>at Chuck. I want to look at Ashton, Jilotti, Quincy Riley,

445
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<v Speaker 1>maybe even Jacry Brooks. So we'll get into that coming

446
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<v Speaker 1>up here a little bit later. What I also wanted

447
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<v Speaker 1>to talk about when it comes to the NFL draft

448
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<v Speaker 1>is some names we discussed yesterday, Guys that are viewed

449
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<v Speaker 1>and believed to be you know, all time busts. I

450
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<v Speaker 1>defended a lot of guys yesterday just by saying that,

451
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<v Speaker 1>you know, just because you didn't end up being like

452
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<v Speaker 1>one of the best players to ever play. I feel

453
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<v Speaker 1>like it's unfair to say that you're a bust. And

454
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<v Speaker 1>because you were a really good player and you were taken,

455
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, number three, and you had a good

456
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<v Speaker 1>career ten years, all pro, maybe not elite, but you

457
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<v Speaker 1>were good for a long time. But yet somebody was

458
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<v Speaker 1>taken in the twenties and they are believed to be

459
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<v Speaker 1>an all time great. That doesn't mean you're a bust.

460
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<v Speaker 1>It just means that you know, somebody slipped late. I

461
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<v Speaker 1>don't know why I'm so sensitive to the whole bust conversation,

462
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<v Speaker 1>but I just feel like it's almost impossible to live

463
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<v Speaker 1>up to that, right, Like, what's this? I mean again,

464
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<v Speaker 1>you go back and look at all time number one

465
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<v Speaker 1>draft picks, guys that you would say are for sure

466
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<v Speaker 1>not a bust. I mean, how many of those guys

467
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<v Speaker 1>are there? And I mean, what do they accomplish? Because

468
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<v Speaker 1>I think you have expectations so high, especially if you're

469
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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback being taken number one in the NFL. That's

470
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<v Speaker 1>a really, really, really tough thing to see through because

471
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<v Speaker 1>usually you're gonna get thrown right in there because they

472
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<v Speaker 1>need you. And the reason that you're being taken number one,

473
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<v Speaker 1>or the reason that team, I should say, is taking

474
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<v Speaker 1>you at number one is because they sucked. That's how

475
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<v Speaker 1>they ended up with the number one pick. They were

476
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<v Speaker 1>the worst team in the league. And let's go throw

477
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<v Speaker 1>this rookie quarterback out there and see if he can

478
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<v Speaker 1>make them any better. Again, I don't hear people mention

479
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<v Speaker 1>these things, and I guess there's no way to know

480
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<v Speaker 1>for sure, but I feel like you could take like,

481
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<v Speaker 1>let's say, let's just say there are three tiers of

482
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<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks in the NFL, really good, good, and then you know,

483
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<v Speaker 1>good enough to start. But if they could find somebody better,

484
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<v Speaker 1>they would get them. That's that third tier, meaning find

485
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<v Speaker 1>somebody you know they could they could find somebody better,

486
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<v Speaker 1>they would take it. I feel like if you were

487
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<v Speaker 1>to just take any of those guys, maybe not any

488
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<v Speaker 1>of them, but a lot of them, and you put

489
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<v Speaker 1>them in the same situation that the number one pick

490
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<v Speaker 1>at quarterback is going to be in when he inherits,

491
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<v Speaker 1>when he walks into a situation, I feel like they

492
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<v Speaker 1>would be just as bad.

493
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<v Speaker 2>Like it wouldn't be a big upgrade.

494
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<v Speaker 1>Now again, maybe a lot of those guys that are

495
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<v Speaker 1>in that third tier aren't viewed as number one potential players,

496
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<v Speaker 1>like they didn't have that kind of hype. But still,

497
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<v Speaker 1>like it really is such a tough scenario to envision

498
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<v Speaker 1>a number one pick at quarterback going to an awful

499
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<v Speaker 1>team and that team being any good in a couple

500
00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of years. Like, it's just it's almost a winless battle.

501
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's happened. I mean Joe Burrow, I mean

502
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<v Speaker 1>he got the Bengals to the super Bowl pretty early.

503
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<v Speaker 1>That was unheard of and he was the number one pick.

504
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<v Speaker 2>But it's rare, it really is.

505
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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, this is from college sports only the Twitter account.

506
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<v Speaker 1>They have a thread here as far as where are

507
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<v Speaker 1>they now? These guys that are, you know, believed to

508
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<v Speaker 1>be some of the biggest bust in the NFL draft.

509
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<v Speaker 1>Josh Rosen, we talked about him yesterday. He was the

510
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<v Speaker 1>tenth pick in the twenty twenty one draft. Obviously went

511
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<v Speaker 1>ahead of Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen,

512
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<v Speaker 1>then Josh Rosen, then Lamar Jackson.

513
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<v Speaker 2>So between.

514
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<v Speaker 1>Allen and Jackson, you have three MVP Awards and the

515
00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:06.000
<v Speaker 1>guy taking between those two guys Rosen and you know,

516
00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:09.279
<v Speaker 1>he played a few games in the NFL did not

517
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<v Speaker 1>work out. So currently he is now a student at

518
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<v Speaker 1>Penn's Wharton School of Business. So regardless of the NFL

519
00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>not working out, he clearly put away a little bit

520
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<v Speaker 1>of money and has started his life post football. Probably

521
00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.119
<v Speaker 1>not what he envisioned, but you know, there you go.

522
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<v Speaker 1>How about Paxton Lynch had a Memphis He was drafted

523
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<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen. I know he was, I think I

524
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<v Speaker 1>think he played a few different places, but I remember

525
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<v Speaker 1>him being in Denver.

526
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<v Speaker 2>According to this, he is now just a sports dad.

527
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I mean, I don't know what he

528
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<v Speaker 1>does for work, but apparently, if you will, like keep

529
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<v Speaker 1>up with him on social media, all he talks about

530
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:48.640
<v Speaker 1>is you know, watching his kids play sports, which, hey,

531
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. And again, if

532
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.759
<v Speaker 1>you flame out in the NFL and you had, you know,

533
00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:58.680
<v Speaker 1>a few years to try to make it work, it

534
00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:01.599
<v Speaker 1>does suck that you didn't make it work, and you've

535
00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:03.759
<v Speaker 1>got to move on and realize that you weren't able

536
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<v Speaker 1>to do it. You weren't able to last in the NFL.

537
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.160
<v Speaker 1>As long as you wanted to. But it's not like,

538
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:10.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're losing your job and becoming homeless. You

539
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.440
<v Speaker 1>made millions of dollars to play football, so you got

540
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<v Speaker 1>a good You got a good. When you do have

541
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>to start life after realizing that you didn't have what

542
00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:19.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people thought you had as far as

543
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:22.160
<v Speaker 1>being able to make it as a pro athlete, you're

544
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<v Speaker 1>likely in a good spot to start your new life

545
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.079
<v Speaker 1>after football or basketball or whatever it is, because you know,

546
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.519
<v Speaker 1>let'st I check professional athletes to make a lot of money.

547
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Johnny Manziel he is such a figure within sports, and

548
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:39.079
<v Speaker 1>he was such a I mean a character that he's

549
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:43.039
<v Speaker 1>always seemingly maintained a level of relevance that you know,

550
00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think is fading anytime soon, but obviously he is.

551
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:49.400
<v Speaker 2>He's got his.

552
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Own like golf apparel line, and he's got a podcast

553
00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.079
<v Speaker 1>that apparently does really well and he makes good money

554
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:57.880
<v Speaker 1>doing it. And of course, you know, he made a

555
00:25:57.920 --> 00:25:59.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of money in the NFL, and he made a

556
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<v Speaker 1>lot of money with endorsements. I'm sure, because you know,

557
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>he was Johnny Football, Brandon Whedon. I don't remember a

558
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:10.799
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of him in the NFL other than just

559
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>a brief stretch with the Browns. But he was drafted

560
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twelve and now he runs the Brandon Whedon Foundation.

561
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Whatever that is.

562
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's a positive, a positive thing for his

563
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:23.039
<v Speaker 1>community wherever he lives.

564
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Jake Locker, he is a very forgettable guy.

565
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.480
<v Speaker 1>But he was drafted out of Washington and ended up

566
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.680
<v Speaker 1>in Nashville with the Titans. And I don't remember him ever.

567
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean I remember playing, but not long. But he

568
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:38.119
<v Speaker 1>now is the co owner of Locker Room Fitness Center

569
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:43.079
<v Speaker 1>in Washington, so he's got his own gym. Jimmy Clauston.

570
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 1>How about that guy? For to talk about a name

571
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I forgot about. He was in the twenty ten draft.

572
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 1>He's a real estate developer in LA. And then some

573
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>of these guys have moved on to be analysts. Mark Sanchez.

574
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he was a BUZST, but he's

575
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:57.519
<v Speaker 1>listed here. I mean, he was a guy who you know,

576
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.079
<v Speaker 1>played a while in the NFL. He's mostly remembered with

577
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.559
<v Speaker 1>the BUF fumble, if you guys remember that many years ago. Also,

578
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:06.279
<v Speaker 1>I remember him and Rex Ryan for beating Peyton Manning

579
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>in one of the last good years we had of

580
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Peyton and Indian. I was a bummer to lose to Sanchez,

581
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 1>but he's doing a good job, I think as an

582
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.839
<v Speaker 1>analyst for Fox. And then Brady Quinn he's now uh

583
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.279
<v Speaker 1>you hear him on Fox Sports Radio and also he

584
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.160
<v Speaker 1>is a part of the Big Noon Kickoff, which is

585
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.519
<v Speaker 1>the uh Fox version of college game Day. And then

586
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 1>JaMarcus Russell probably the all time bust and a guy

587
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:31.759
<v Speaker 1>that unfortunately there hasn't really been any like good stories

588
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:34.680
<v Speaker 1>about him that I've that I've seen since he flamed

589
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.000
<v Speaker 1>out of the NFL. In fact, the last story that

590
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.039
<v Speaker 1>came up this was last year he was fired as

591
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>a high school assistant coach in his hometown because he

592
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:47.319
<v Speaker 1>stole seventy four thousand dollars from the from.

593
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:51.799
<v Speaker 2>The football program. I mean that's just sad. I mean.

594
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know, like when you say sad, like

595
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 1>you know who, like you got to think about like

596
00:27:57.319 --> 00:27:59.359
<v Speaker 1>who the victim is and something sad like. But I mean,

597
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's just sad for him that like that's

598
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.319
<v Speaker 1>his life that he because he's somebody that I'm not

599
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.599
<v Speaker 1>really sure why he was viewed as a guy that

600
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 1>was a surefire I mean, look, maybe if it wasn't

601
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:14.799
<v Speaker 1>maybe if it wasn't the Raiders taking him number one,

602
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.519
<v Speaker 1>then he would have fallen and other teams would have

603
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.319
<v Speaker 1>known to avoid the risk that was JaMarcus Russell. But

604
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean flamed out in the NFL. And there's so

605
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.640
<v Speaker 1>many stories that you know, make him look bad, like

606
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:28.160
<v Speaker 1>it's actually a funny story, but it also is, you know,

607
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.640
<v Speaker 1>not surprising if you have followed JaMarcus Russell in any way,

608
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.160
<v Speaker 1>that they didn't believe that he was watching the game

609
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>film they were given him. He just told him that

610
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>he was, so to test him, they gave him game

611
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>film that had nothing on it, there was nothing to watch,

612
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 1>and they asked him if he watched it, and he so, oh, yeah, yeah,

613
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was.

614
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Game film or what.

615
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>It was just you know, playbook stuff or I'm sorry,

616
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>that's what it was. They gave him a playbook and

617
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:57.079
<v Speaker 1>it had nothing in it, that's what it was, wasn't film.

618
00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>And they asked him if he'd he'd been studying and

619
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.079
<v Speaker 1>he said yeah, And he didn't realize that. You know,

620
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty easy to catch you in the line when they

621
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>gave you a playbook that was empty and that was

622
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>a story that came out like many years after. I

623
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.559
<v Speaker 1>think he bounced out of the NFL. But I mean,

624
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 1>this guy have a hard time seeing somebody fall harder

625
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:19.599
<v Speaker 1>than he did after being taken number one and all

626
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>that expectation, all that hype and then now a sad,

627
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>sad tale for sure.

628
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<v Speaker 2>Matt Lioner. Again, some of these guys aren't busted. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I guess. I guess maybe these aren't viewed

630
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<v Speaker 2>as bust.

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<v Speaker 1>These are just guys that some of them are, obviously,

632
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<v Speaker 1>But some of these other guys are just quarterbacks that

633
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<v Speaker 1>got drafted and you know, did not have lengthy careers.

634
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<v Speaker 1>But Ryan Leaf, I thought he was somebody that you know,

635
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<v Speaker 1>would never be topped. But I think he has been

636
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<v Speaker 1>topped by JaMarcus Russell because you know, despite Ryan Leaf

637
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<v Speaker 1>being he was the second pick overall at quarterback in

638
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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety eight. Again he went ahead of Peyton Manning

639
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<v Speaker 1>and he clearly, I mean, he couldn't hack it. He

640
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<v Speaker 1>was I mean, he was out of the NFL pretty quickly,

641
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.279
<v Speaker 1>and you know was awful. I mean as far as

642
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<v Speaker 1>like a guy taking that early and as far as production,

643
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 1>he's he's right there with the JaMarcus Russell and then

644
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<v Speaker 1>you remember, you know, he anything you heard about him

645
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<v Speaker 1>post NFL was that he was in trouble with the law,

646
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<v Speaker 1>getting arrested for drug possession. I think he became addicted

647
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<v Speaker 1>to drugs and because of that he became you know,

648
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<v Speaker 1>a criminal and was breaking the law with burglary and

649
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.079
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff. Well, then he ended up

650
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<v Speaker 1>getting treatment and has been from an I understand, he's

651
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<v Speaker 1>been completely you know, out of trouble for many years now.

652
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<v Speaker 1>And he also currently works for the CW as a

653
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<v Speaker 1>college football analyst. So you know, it's a guy who

654
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<v Speaker 1>I thought would never be topped, and sure enough, JaMarcus

655
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<v Speaker 1>Russell has I think, outdone him as far as the

656
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<v Speaker 1>biggest all time bust. And now you know, Ryan Leaf is,

657
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<v Speaker 1>you know, seemingly living a much better life than he

658
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<v Speaker 1>was right after the NFL. All right, let's do this

659
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<v Speaker 1>quick break. We'll come back and wrap up the four

660
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<v Speaker 1>o'clock hour. Talk a little more about where the local

661
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<v Speaker 1>players here from both Louisville, Kentucky and even Indiana are

662
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<v Speaker 1>expected to go.

663
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<v Speaker 2>And who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a lot to get into, but not a

665
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<v Speaker 1>lot of time left because of course, we're at a

666
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<v Speaker 1>little earlier today, so we'll make the most of what

667
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<v Speaker 1>we have to work with. Keep it locked right here

668
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<v Speaker 1>on Sports Talk seven ninety. So I missed this earlier,

669
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<v Speaker 1>but the younger la mala a. I. I'm sure I'm

670
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:21.319
<v Speaker 1>not saying that correctly. But Niko's brother, he also is

671
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<v Speaker 1>going to be heading to UCLA. Bad news came out

672
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.039
<v Speaker 1>over the weekend or maybe yesterday. I'm not sure, but

673
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.759
<v Speaker 1>he was at Arkansas, I believe, and I gotta, I

674
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:35.799
<v Speaker 1>gotta let me just double check this because.

675
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<v Speaker 2>I think he was.

676
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<v Speaker 1>He at UCLA, left to go to Arkansas and then

677
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<v Speaker 1>came back to UCLA. That sounds crazy, but let's see. Yeah,

678
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<v Speaker 1>ESPN says the younger brother is expected to join former

679
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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee quarterback at UCLA.

680
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<v Speaker 2>The younger of the two in.

681
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas freshman quarterback will make the move after deciding to

682
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<v Speaker 1>enter the incitable A transfer portal, sources confirmed to ESPN. Yeah,

683
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:06.519
<v Speaker 1>so he was the number. He was an early enrollly

684
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>so he's never played anywhere, but he was the number

685
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<v Speaker 1>one forty. He was ranked one forty five overall in

686
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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty five class and previously spent eight months

687
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>committed to UCLA before he flipped to Arkansas during the

688
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:19.319
<v Speaker 1>early signing period in December.

689
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<v Speaker 2>So he was committed to UCLA.

690
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<v Speaker 1>I knew there was some kind of connection where he'd

691
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<v Speaker 1>already been affiliated with UCLA in some way. So he

692
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>was committed to UCLA and then flipped to Arkansas enrolled

693
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<v Speaker 1>early in December. And now that his brother's going to UCLA,

694
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:35.079
<v Speaker 1>little bro is going to follow him to UCLA and

695
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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas they are they're fighting this now because of just

696
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<v Speaker 1>how things are currently. You know, I was gonna say regulated,

697
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<v Speaker 1>but there's really no regulation in the NCUBLA. But they can't.

698
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<v Speaker 1>They can't, like they can't fight to keep him ineligible. However,

699
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<v Speaker 1>they are fighting, I guess, to uphold the contract that

700
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<v Speaker 1>he signed. So this is from one hundre Ye At,

701
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<v Speaker 1>the director of Athletics for Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I've spoken with the leadership team at Arkansas Edge and

704
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<v Speaker 1>express my support in their pursuit to enforce their rights

705
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<v Speaker 1>under any agreement violated by our student athletes. Moving forward,

706
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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate edges investment in our student athletes and acknowledge

707
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<v Speaker 1>the enforcement of these agreements is vital in our new world.

708
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<v Speaker 2>Of college athletics. We look forward to continue.

709
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<v Speaker 1>Dialogue with all parties and resolving these matters. So Arkansas's

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<v Speaker 1>taking measures to enforce the contract they signed with this

711
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<v Speaker 1>young man, and that's what you should do. That's why

712
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:35.400
<v Speaker 1>you have things in writing. And where it really gets

713
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:41.119
<v Speaker 1>just tough for these schools is that. I mean, as

714
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<v Speaker 1>much as I blame it on the NCAA, and as

715
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<v Speaker 1>much as at times I say, look, you know, coaches,

716
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.319
<v Speaker 1>you know they shouldn't complain so much about players getting

717
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>paid and players being able to go wherever they want

718
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.079
<v Speaker 1>because you know a lot of people have to make

719
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<v Speaker 1>adjustments and whatnot. Right, your job duties can certainly change

720
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.279
<v Speaker 1>over years because you know, society evolves. So when it

721
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.519
<v Speaker 1>comes to having to make some adjustments and some changes

722
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:08.920
<v Speaker 1>along the way to your job, that's really that's that's normal.

723
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<v Speaker 1>And these guys, by the way, they don't have to

724
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<v Speaker 1>win to make all their money. So yeah, I oftentimes

725
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<v Speaker 1>and I still believe everything I said, like coaches complaining

726
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.679
<v Speaker 1>about it one does nothing. And if it's just about

727
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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they don't like players being able to

728
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<v Speaker 1>go wherever they want or players making money, I mean,

729
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>then go do something else, because you know it's not changing,

730
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<v Speaker 1>but if their gripe really comes from the just you know,

731
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<v Speaker 1>helplessness that they that they that they currently operate under,

732
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<v Speaker 1>I mean I get it because you're not because the

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<v Speaker 1>nc DOUBLEA is still trying to, you know, not have

734
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<v Speaker 1>these college athletes viewed as employees. Like that's what they're

735
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<v Speaker 1>so against is them identifying as employee status, which then again,

736
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<v Speaker 1>you know, changes everything about taxing, the scholarships and all that.

737
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<v Speaker 2>It's a whole mess.

738
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<v Speaker 1>Like that's that's the real thing that could potentially change

739
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<v Speaker 1>college athletics forever. I mean, I think we'd have something,

740
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<v Speaker 1>and I mean we probably would have what we have

741
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 1>now would just be it would probably just be called

742
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<v Speaker 1>pro sports. I mean, we know it is, we don't

743
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<v Speaker 1>call it that. But anyways, what I'm getting at is

744
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<v Speaker 1>because you are not allowed to quote pay for play,

745
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:14.760
<v Speaker 1>meaning we know that this is pay for play, right,

746
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Like these players are going to a school to play

747
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.199
<v Speaker 1>a sport, but they're paid for just being who they are,

748
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.719
<v Speaker 1>not for the sport. And again I hope you can

749
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.440
<v Speaker 1>sense the sarcast and because it's all a ruse, like

750
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.679
<v Speaker 1>it's it's not real. But because the NCAA is so

751
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 1>dead set on these guys not being paid for play

752
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 1>in any money that they get, even if it's millions

753
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>of dollars, it's just because of who they are, not

754
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.079
<v Speaker 1>because that they're there to play sport. That's the way

755
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:41.280
<v Speaker 1>it has to be with the NCUBLEA. So when you

756
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:45.199
<v Speaker 1>write these contracts, you can't, like, you are not allowed

757
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<v Speaker 1>under the NSCUABAA rule book to if there even is

758
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<v Speaker 1>one anymore to say that this guy is you know,

759
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<v Speaker 1>the terms of the deal cannot include paying or I'm

760
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:57.599
<v Speaker 1>sorry playing. It can be you know, it can include

761
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<v Speaker 1>like appearances and I don't even think you can include

762
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 1>it to like how long you stay there. Now, what

763
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<v Speaker 1>you can do is basically say that if you take

764
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<v Speaker 1>money and you know whatever, the But where it gets

765
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>really tricky is that if you're going to put in

766
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<v Speaker 1>the contract detail specific things that this person signing the contract,

767
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>this player has to do in order to fully get

768
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>whatever is coming with the deal, it can include a

769
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<v Speaker 1>lot of things that you know are obvious, right like

770
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>sticking around playing you know, for the team and not

771
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:29.679
<v Speaker 1>opting out and transferring. So I'll be curious to see

772
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<v Speaker 1>what the verbiage is here with this contract because I mean,

773
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>they need there's no way it had anything to do

774
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.760
<v Speaker 1>with he had to stay there and play. I mean,

775
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>go back to I've already forgotten the young man's name,

776
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Triton Flowers. You know, he came to Louisville, got in

777
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 1>IL money to do that, obviously, big time recruit, and

778
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>then he got here and realized, oh it's a mess

779
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<v Speaker 1>talking about Kenny Payne, and he got out he'd have

780
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<v Speaker 1>to give any money back. I mean, I think he

781
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<v Speaker 1>had some kind of a deal. I mean, clearly he

782
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<v Speaker 1>had in IL money, but I'm not sure what the

783
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 1>contract was. But I mean, if you remember, his father

784
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 1>was pretty outspoken and saying like he's still uphold he

785
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.559
<v Speaker 1>upheld his end of the deal, and he appeared at

786
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>some engagements. I think that's actually why he stuck around

787
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<v Speaker 1>as long as he did before he decided to bail

788
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and go overseas instead of, you know, playing in colleges,

789
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 1>because I think he knew that if he stuck around

790
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:20.760
<v Speaker 1>just long enough, he would not have to give back

791
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 1>any of the money that he had taken because he

792
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>appeared at some events. So that that does leave you

793
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>helpless because you know you've got to pay players to

794
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 1>get him there, but the NCAA still is acting as

795
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:36.199
<v Speaker 1>if they're not there to play a sport and you're

796
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>just paying them for existing. And that makes it to

797
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>where when it comes down to putting pen to paper

798
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<v Speaker 1>and upholding an agreement, you know, like contracts are four,

799
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<v Speaker 1>you really can't enforce anything.

800
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<v Speaker 2>It's a mess.

801
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<v Speaker 1>I feel like every day on the show that's brought up.

802
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<v Speaker 1>But not only because it's something that you know, we

803
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about, like it's not a planned thing, but like

804
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.679
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas is clearly wanting to get back money they paid

805
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:03.559
<v Speaker 1>for this player who never played a second for them,

806
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:05.880
<v Speaker 1>and I think that they're they have every right to

807
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>do that, but because of the NCAA and they're incompetence,

808
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure the contract probably doesn't have anything in it

809
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 1>that will make him have to pay any money back.

810
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I could be wrong. We shall see. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to a break. We'll come back on the

812
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<v Speaker 1>other side. I got We got about thirty minutes before

813
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<v Speaker 1>we get out of here and get you to the

814
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<v Speaker 1>Louis of Bads game.

815
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<v Speaker 2>So stick with us right here. On Sports Talk seven

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<v Speaker 2>ninety
