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Speaker 2: to anybody that listened through my snipples, and I have
Speaker 2: announcement to make to any of our listeners in the
Speaker 2: wonderful country Finland. I am going to be there, yay.
Speaker 2: I haven't been back in a while. I will be
Speaker 2: in hell Sinki and the hell Sinky area August eighth
Speaker 2: through the sixteenth. I will be making a few day
Speaker 2: trip up north to Lapland to so if you're in
Speaker 2: those areas, please reach out. And if you're listening and
Speaker 2: you're in Talent, Estonia, we may make a side trip
Speaker 2: over to Talent for the day. And I'd love to
Speaker 2: meet people. Love to meet you. If you have a
Speaker 2: story to tell. I'm going to bring a recorder and
Speaker 2: we can record your story and we can getch you
Speaker 2: maybe on the air and spread spread us internationally. To
Speaker 2: my wish that could be my adopted country. Maybe someone
Speaker 2: adopt me from Finland.
Speaker 1: So you can add sixteenth you can add foreign correspondent
Speaker 1: to your resume.
Speaker 2: I like that that's going on.
Speaker 1: LinkedIn excellent, well, I know it Finland is your happy place,
Speaker 1: so hopefully someone gets in touch. So we are speaking
Speaker 1: of international things. We are doing another dust bin of ufology,
Speaker 1: you know, going. I just I can't get enough of
Speaker 1: combing the old books, you know, the paperbacks that are
Speaker 1: starting to deteriorate because they're so that they I think
Speaker 1: they were printed on acid paper, so they're uh, but
Speaker 1: it's great and I just some of these cases are amazing.
Speaker 2: So and it just not to interrupt you, it brings
Speaker 2: I know, it brings me and you back to sort
Speaker 2: of that root fascination growing up and seeing these stories,
Speaker 2: you know, and reading them and being like wide eyed
Speaker 2: and convinced there's aliens everywhere, Oh my gosh, when I
Speaker 2: was a kid. But so it's great to go back
Speaker 2: and actually revisit these stories because really it's what drove
Speaker 2: not only my interest or your interest, probably a lot
Speaker 2: of people's interest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, definitely stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, hopefully everyone will see after we
Speaker 1: cover a few of these. How can you not get
Speaker 1: hooked if you have an inquisitive mind and a little
Speaker 1: bit of imagination. These things are remarkable. So why don't
Speaker 1: we jump in to nineteen fifty two August twenty eighth Denim,
Speaker 1: England about three pm. They described a space ship very
Speaker 1: high in the sky in the act of releasing three
Speaker 1: satellite discs. Okay, so apparently this was a very large
Speaker 1: ship and smaller craft were coming out of it, which,
Speaker 1: you know, we we have come across some of these cases.
Speaker 1: They're rare, but they're they're out there and they're fascinating.
Speaker 1: So these satellite discs, as they called it, flew off
Speaker 1: in different directions. The same or a similar craft was
Speaker 1: seen out over Sweden a few hours later, which was
Speaker 1: also releasing disc shaped satellites, which took off at terrific speeds.
Speaker 4: Now, even if you're.
Speaker 1: Thinking a lot of these sightings were military craft, I
Speaker 1: can't think of anything that.
Speaker 4: Would fit this profile.
Speaker 2: No, And you know, the description of these satellite discs
Speaker 2: being sent out, it almost kind of reminds me of
Speaker 2: how we use drones today, How you can take a
Speaker 2: drone and explore vast distances without ever having to to
Speaker 2: step footing it. You know, if you want to check
Speaker 2: out what's in the middle of that those woods over there,
Speaker 2: well I could fly my drone up and I can
Speaker 2: hover right over it and look at it. So you know,
Speaker 2: and the fact that you have it over Sweden and England.
Speaker 2: Surprised no one in Norway reported it because they would
Speaker 2: have had to have passed over.
Speaker 4: That, but maybe they didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't make the or people saw it, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking nineteen fifty two, not a lot of people
Speaker 1: felt emboldened to speak out possible. Yeah, so that that
Speaker 1: was August twenty eight. On the twenty first of September,
Speaker 1: back in England over I Love this an aerodrome in
Speaker 1: the south of England, ten Royal Air Force officers saw
Speaker 1: a large UFO directly over the aerodrome. So again, probably
Speaker 1: not the best career move for a Royal Air Force
Speaker 1: officer to report a UFO, but when there are ten
Speaker 1: of them, maybe that you feel strength in numbers. That
Speaker 1: same day, back in Sweden, what's going on Gutteburg, Sweden?
Speaker 4: Have you been there?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, when you were there, did you see a large, noiseless,
Speaker 1: glittering object traveling at high speed leaving a phosphorescent tail?
Speaker 1: I can't say that, I get Oh well, well they did,
Speaker 1: so this is the set. So this is I love
Speaker 1: when you get these, you know, similarities.
Speaker 4: What is it with now?
Speaker 1: Twice in fifty two, in August twenty eighth, in the
Speaker 1: September twenty first over both England and Sweden are seeing
Speaker 1: these objects. The twenty eighth in Carrap, Denmark. Don't tell
Speaker 1: me you've been there too.
Speaker 2: I've been to Denmark, but not Carrap.
Speaker 4: I all, okay, I love this.
Speaker 1: This is the description a large, unique flying saucer. Are
Speaker 1: there not unique flying saucers?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I guess this was more unusual than it.
Speaker 1: And actually that day they reports where saucers were seen
Speaker 1: all over Denmark that day. So what's going on the
Speaker 1: month of September. Well, there was a little thing going
Speaker 1: on in the North end Atlantic called Exercise main Brace.
Speaker 1: Do you have any familiarity familiarity with that? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was an enormous NATO combined naval operation. There's great videos,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: When the narrator and Operation main Brace, you know, the
Speaker 3: might of the NATO nations basically giving a middle finger
Speaker 3: to the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, you go ahead and try to attack us.
Speaker 1: The navies of the US, British, French, Canadian, Danish, Norwegian, Portuguese,
Speaker 1: the Netherlands and Belgian all took took part, but In fairness,
Speaker 1: I think the Belgians were just passed with bringing chocolate
Speaker 1: and pastries.
Speaker 2: Which I've been there and highly recommend going.
Speaker 1: I was not dissing the Belgians. I mean, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'd fly back to Belgian for their pastries and chocolate.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: But this operation, this exercise involved eighty thousand men, two
Speaker 1: hundred ships, and one thousand aircraft. It was the most
Speaker 1: ships in the North Atlantic since World War One? So
Speaker 1: did it stir up some interest? Were whoever was in
Speaker 1: these craft hovering around? Like, oh no, what are the
Speaker 1: crazy humans up to now? So you know they starting
Speaker 1: another war?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean this is in the relative you know, aftermath,
Speaker 2: not immediate, but of World War two and the rebuilding
Speaker 2: of Europe been and of course you know NATO flexing
Speaker 2: their muscles versus the Soviet Union and their warsaw pack nations.
Speaker 2: So you know, did they did that draw attention?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you said, what are these people down there doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Apparently apparently it did with the sightings all over the area. Oh,
Speaker 1: why don't we take our first break and get and
Speaker 1: dust off a few more stories when we get back.
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Speaker 2: And we're back here with the dust bin of upology
Speaker 2: that Linda, you should trademark that term because it's awesome
Speaker 2: or the phrase.
Speaker 4: And maybe we have a book.
Speaker 1: Maybe UFO Headquarters needs to put out a.
Speaker 2: Book that might be Oh boy, more work, I know.
Speaker 2: But in all seriousness, the dust beIN. It's a great analogy.
Speaker 2: But by by no means are these things that should
Speaker 2: be thrown away. These are great stories that are you know,
Speaker 2: in these old books, like you said earlier in the show,
Speaker 2: probably not on acid free paper. No, they're slowly destroying themselves.
Speaker 2: It's great to preserve this information for the future because
Speaker 2: this is important to understand the history. How far back
Speaker 2: this stuff has been going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just this morning, do you remember we had
Speaker 1: Cheryl gotzol On from Australia.
Speaker 4: We had her on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great great organization they have, and she sent out
Speaker 1: their newsletter and there was sighting from ninety five. Somebody
Speaker 1: had said, I you know, I could never find any
Speaker 1: other sighting to match this, and it was about a
Speaker 1: larger craft with smaller little craft coming out, and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: I think I have to contact Cheryl and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: check out the fifty two sightings.
Speaker 2: So that's a great, a great coincidence, and it shows
Speaker 2: how easy the rabbit hole of ufology expands.
Speaker 4: And the flies.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's go to nineteen fifty four January
Speaker 1: through February and we're going to Australia, Saint Kilda, near Melbourne.
Speaker 4: There was a craft.
Speaker 1: I love this, like a large sheet of aluminum rocking
Speaker 1: from side to side, flashing sunlight, and every time it
Speaker 1: flashed there was a purple halo around it. And this
Speaker 1: wasn't an ordinary sheet of aluminum. It was shaped like
Speaker 1: a butterfly, three hundred feet wide. It was estimated to
Speaker 1: be traveling eighteen hundred miles per hour at thirty thousand
Speaker 1: feet Again, can you think of any conventional explanation for
Speaker 1: a three hundred foot long silver butterfly?
Speaker 2: No, not even today. I mean, that's the description's great though.
Speaker 2: Idea yes, picture in your mind this sheet of aluminum
Speaker 2: shaped like a butterfly and pretty. I don't know, I
Speaker 2: mean how they came up with their numbers, but it's
Speaker 2: good information and good detail to have that three hundred
Speaker 2: foot wide, the estimated speed and the estimated altitude, I
Speaker 2: mean right right.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, a lot with a lot of these stories, they
Speaker 1: don't give you the full reports, and you don't you
Speaker 1: know the number of witnesses. But the good thing is
Speaker 1: you know the location, you know the date, and you
Speaker 1: can then go and research it farther. But wait, there's
Speaker 1: more during this same time period, Hamilton, Australia. I love this,
Speaker 1: a dazzling bright orange thing that narrows it down. But
Speaker 1: then it did go on like a double saucer and
Speaker 1: the top with the top one inverted, so convex top
Speaker 1: and bottom. It left a vapor trail that lasted twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: That's the heck of a vapor trail.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one.
Speaker 1: About this time, January twenty fifth, for some reason, the
Speaker 1: British Air Ministry warned all of its pilots and personnel to.
Speaker 4: Not talk about UFOs.
Speaker 1: So clearly, you're not going to ask people to not
Speaker 1: talk about something unless it was happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's a really odd move to just come
Speaker 2: out and randomly, hey, guys, gather around, we'll talk about UFOs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what I can imagine, right, Like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So what does that tell you that someone in a
Speaker 2: position of at a command level, what did they know?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Also during this time period, near Adelaide, there was
Speaker 1: a huge object like a planet, moving swiftly vertically, then sideways,
Speaker 1: and between two thirty am and three point fifteen am
Speaker 1: it was a yellow white shading to deep orange, and
Speaker 1: witnesses said they saw bright point of light circling the
Speaker 1: large ship. So there's this massive ship and some object
Speaker 1: is circling around it. Now in the Hudson Valley, many
Speaker 1: times the massive triangles had a red light, a red
Speaker 1: object going in or out of it or trailing it.
Speaker 1: But this was just a bright point of light circling
Speaker 1: the object. Then in Sail, Australia, this is bizarre, a
Speaker 1: strange object with a corrugated top. I guess that just
Speaker 1: means it was not flat, it was rippled. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean a cargate and steel roof on this
Speaker 1: UFO they needed a patch job. But this was interesting.
Speaker 1: It went from crimson colored to a misty green. I
Speaker 1: never tired of hearing how these things change colors and shape,
Speaker 1: it went up and down and then vanished. And around
Speaker 1: the same time a flight of the Australian National Airways
Speaker 1: near Adelaide again saw a very large object moving erratically.
Speaker 1: So nineteen fifty four January through February, all across Australia. Again,
Speaker 1: I can't think of what they could have seen to
Speaker 1: make it think it was a crimson corrugated roof.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was going to mention just how
Speaker 2: unique these descriptions are compared to what we hear a
Speaker 2: lot about, you know. I mean, obviously the butterfly shape one,
Speaker 2: but even this one with the corrugated top, the way
Speaker 2: it changes colors, you know, the light circling around it,
Speaker 2: and just they're very very specific details that I think,
Speaker 2: really they're intriguing to me. Like I want to go
Speaker 2: to Australia now.
Speaker 1: Everything tries to kill you there, I.
Speaker 2: Know, and I'm afraid of everything there, so every.
Speaker 1: Spider snake, I don't know. I think the popcorn is
Speaker 1: deadly there, I'm not sure so, but yeah, these are
Speaker 1: It's not just oh we saw a light in the sky,
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, there is some.
Speaker 4: Very intriguing detail.
Speaker 1: So then I love the old scientific journal Reports and
Speaker 1: Scientific American, which you know, always very conservative, particularly July tenth,
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty. You know, they didn't they didn't tolerate nonsense
Speaker 1: in this Scientific American. And I don't know what this
Speaker 1: has to do with, but you know, this is about
Speaker 1: as high as high strangeness gets. In Ontario, Canada, some
Speaker 1: men are working in a field and the stones in
Speaker 1: the field start shooting upward into the sky.
Speaker 4: What I mean?
Speaker 1: They said, well, there was no wind, not that wind's
Speaker 1: going to blow stones up in the sky anyway, but
Speaker 1: they said nothing else was unusual just in this field
Speaker 1: the stones. Now, for that to happen, you either need
Speaker 1: a large force or you need a moderate force with
Speaker 1: no gravity.
Speaker 4: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't see anything in the sky.
Speaker 2: I was trying to think, you know, well, jeez, they
Speaker 2: if they were faires, maybe there was a magnetic forest
Speaker 2: field used. But how strong would it have to be,
Speaker 2: because how much iron or whatever would be in some
Speaker 2: of these rocks to shoot them up into the air.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I need to find that. I can.
Speaker 1: I think Scientific American, the old ones I think you
Speaker 1: can access online. I want to see if there's more
Speaker 1: to this story. But yeah, not necessarily UFO related, But
Speaker 1: what the heck was going on there?
Speaker 2: Right? Because what's something has to be there has to
Speaker 2: be a force taking a rock resist, you know, resisting
Speaker 2: the force of gravity to get it up in the air.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then shoot up in the sky.
Speaker 2: Righteah.
Speaker 4: So they didn't say if they were falling back to Earth.
Speaker 1: They I don't know, but I just love you know again,
Speaker 1: when you're like a ten year old kid and you're
Speaker 1: reading things like this, how can you not get hooked?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly, So all right, it's great to relive
Speaker 2: these these.
Speaker 1: Feelings, you know, I know, all right this we're going
Speaker 1: to HMS vulture. Commander Pringle, British of course. May fifteenth,
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy nine. Commander Pringle reports luminous waves of pulsating water. Okay,
Speaker 1: now that would get me a little concerned if I'm
Speaker 1: on a ship out in the ocean. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: there are things like luminous algae, right is it algae
Speaker 1: that you know, bioluminescence things like that. But he went
Speaker 1: into more detail. It was not it was not above
Speaker 1: the surface, you know, like waves. It was under the surface.
Speaker 1: And these waves of luminous light passed beneath his ship.
Speaker 1: Uh oh yeah, doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. Said,
Speaker 1: the appearance was that of a revolving wheel of light
Speaker 1: with illuminated or luminous spokes. In fact, there were two wheels,
Speaker 1: one on each side of his ship, which stayed with
Speaker 1: them for half an hour.
Speaker 6: I don't think that's algae.
Speaker 2: No, that's not an algae bloom or whatever they would
Speaker 2: call it, or jellyfish or that's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a wheel with luminous spokes.
Speaker 2: And you know, you have to go back to the witness. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's eighteen seventy nine, but you're talking about a commander
Speaker 2: in the Royal Royal Navy who's in charge of a
Speaker 2: ship that's extremely expensive. Yes, so they don't. They did
Speaker 2: not appoint people commander who were not competent to take
Speaker 2: that job. And so he's got to know, or you
Speaker 2: would have to assume he knows what the ocean looks like.
Speaker 2: He's sailed a lot. One would hope he's probably seen
Speaker 2: things like the bioluminescent algae and knows what waves look
Speaker 2: like and what kind of conditions. So when a captain
Speaker 2: reports something like this, I think it lends it that
Speaker 2: extra level of credibility, like you didn't see something that
Speaker 2: is normally encountered on the ocean.
Speaker 1: No. No, And what brought another reason I wanted to
Speaker 1: do this is our good friend Gary, the one who
Speaker 1: wrote our theme music and also wrote the Pine Bush
Speaker 1: UFO song over Pine Bush look that up. When he
Speaker 1: was in the Navy, I believe it was in the Caribbean.
Speaker 1: He said there was this lighted object under the water
Speaker 1: that passed directly under their ship.
Speaker 4: So again, all these.
Speaker 1: Guys on board, they're seeing this, they know what's you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't a round Russian sub lit up,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, USOS, which of course is a
Speaker 1: whole other other ballgame, but so you know. And again
Speaker 1: the criticisms are, oh, it's the Navy high tech submersibles
Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy nine. You can't say that that's what's
Speaker 1: so important about finding these old cases because you can
Speaker 1: wipe the slate clean of any sort of stealth military
Speaker 1: black ops projects because they didn't exist. So why don't
Speaker 1: we take our second break and we have I think
Speaker 1: three more cases to go over.
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Speaker 2: Hey, we're back from a break and if you're just
Speaker 2: tuning in right now, we're going to be going back
Speaker 2: to chilling in nineteen fifty four, hanging out, listening to
Speaker 2: some good music and encountering UFOs apparently, but you're listening
Speaker 2: to the episode dust Bin of ufology and Linda, this
Speaker 2: has been a good one.
Speaker 1: I could do this all night long. So all right,
Speaker 1: so let's jump into We're going back to Australia to
Speaker 1: two railroad men. Railroad workers April twenty eighth, nineteen fifty four,
Speaker 1: A had a terrifying experience.
Speaker 3: This is you.
Speaker 1: This is a unique UFO with a swooping, screaming, flying
Speaker 1: saucer which rushed straight down at them. Wow, a screaming
Speaker 1: usually they say, how eerily silent?
Speaker 4: Yes to describe.
Speaker 1: And you're on a train which makes no small amount
Speaker 1: of noise, so to hear this screaming flying saucer. It
Speaker 1: was forty five miles west of Geelong, Victoria, about seven
Speaker 1: twenty i am. And they described the size as gigantic.
Speaker 1: It was twenty six year old Ted Smith and twenty
Speaker 1: three year old Colin Beacon. They were described as skilled
Speaker 1: and dependable men, and they reported their sighting to the
Speaker 1: Council of Scientific and Industrial Research. So there's some quotes here.
Speaker 1: Smith said, I nearly keeled out of my cab of
Speaker 1: the engine when I saw a huge, round, dark mass
Speaker 1: plunging straight down at my train. It screamed down and
Speaker 1: then suddenly raced up towards the sky. The adventure. You've
Speaker 1: gotta love that. The adventure lasted four minutes and was
Speaker 1: amazing and terrifying. I could see no windows or doors
Speaker 1: in it. Trees in the background looked like match sticks
Speaker 1: against its vast bulk. It could have been a quarter.
Speaker 4: A mile in diameter.
Speaker 2: That is just crazy.
Speaker 1: Something a quarter of a mile dive bombing your train, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in broad daylight.
Speaker 2: And I like his comment terrifying and amazing, because how
Speaker 2: many people do we hear that from to this day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it can be terrifying the experience, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: they're fascinated by it, they're drawn to.
Speaker 1: It, So yeah, scares the heck out of them and
Speaker 1: they can't wait to have it happen again.
Speaker 2: So when you yeah, when you start seeing this common theme,
Speaker 2: go way back, I mean not, there's something to this
Speaker 2: It's not just people seeing things, hearing things, hallucinating or
Speaker 2: making things up. These are people that are having real
Speaker 2: world experiences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Smith continued, I called Colin and we both
Speaker 1: saw it stand still in the air, like a huge
Speaker 1: monster hovering over us. And unlike any possible aircraft, it
Speaker 1: was a beautifully clear morning and no possibility of any illusion.
Speaker 1: It came within three hundred and fifty feet of us,
Speaker 1: something a quarter mile in diameter three hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: feet away, and I felt that it was driven, but
Speaker 1: the way it careemed around the sky, you would have
Speaker 1: thought it was driven by an amateur.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the UFO operators have to learn too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that alien just got his learners permit. I told
Speaker 1: you not to take the massive craft out today. And
Speaker 1: then he continued, it may sound silly, but it must
Speaker 1: have been something from another planet. After plunging about the sky,
Speaker 1: it rose higher and higher and went out of sight,
Speaker 1: and Beacon said that Colin Beacon said the craft was
Speaker 1: a dark blue, which is also an unusual.
Speaker 4: Color.
Speaker 1: You know, we hear a lot of black silver gun metal.
Speaker 1: So the summary of the report for the Melbourne Argus
Speaker 1: newspaper its size was just colossal. For the four minutes
Speaker 1: in which we saw it over our engine, it partly
Speaker 1: obscured the sun, but all the time the light was clear.
Speaker 1: I feel definitely that the weird thing was piloted. It
Speaker 1: was not a clearly lined or defied find object, for
Speaker 1: it was somewhat covered in a haze, which we hear
Speaker 1: a lot like a fog or a haze around them, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: perhaps caused by its speed or design. It was not
Speaker 1: like any aircraft I've ever seen or read about, more
Speaker 1: like something out of a dream. So the Royal Australian
Speaker 1: Air Force Intelligence Section was going to investigate and you know,
Speaker 1: question these men, But what fabulous description.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, first of all, these these
Speaker 2: are eloquent witnesses, just the way they're the words they chose.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: Again, and I'm thinking the the Royal Australian Air Force
Speaker 2: got the report and they went in the trash.
Speaker 4: Bin of your apology, probably unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think Australia had been very not that
Speaker 1: we were in the US then, but I don't think
Speaker 1: Australia was very open to any of this.
Speaker 4: But at least they have the report. You know, we
Speaker 4: have the report.
Speaker 1: It was in the newspaper, so from But what the
Speaker 1: heck is that all about? This ginormous craft screaming down
Speaker 1: on them? Was it trying to scare them?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 2: And you know what the newspaper I'm going to read
Speaker 2: a real quick section what the newspaper said a couple
Speaker 2: of days later. M well, yeah, a few days later
Speaker 2: about the men who witnessed it. They are both skilled
Speaker 2: and reliable men. And for the doubtful benefit of skeptics,
Speaker 2: one may add that no engineer on a railroad or
Speaker 2: firemen any more than an Air Force pilot and a
Speaker 2: cockpit would be allowed to remain in the very responsible
Speaker 2: position in the cabin a locomotive unless they were very
Speaker 2: well mentally balanced. They have convinced a hard boiled reporter
Speaker 2: of the Melbourne Argus of the objectivity of the objectivity
Speaker 2: of what they saw.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't want a crazy engineer on a locomotive.
Speaker 4: That's that's an excellent point.
Speaker 2: I just love the way they sum that up. They
Speaker 2: will not be allowed to have that position. And they
Speaker 2: came forward, probably knowing that they could be considered mentally
Speaker 2: unstable and and pulled from from their jobs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, lose your livelihood.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So another another fab Yeah, we need to get
Speaker 1: to Australia, Brian, can can we fill out a voucher
Speaker 1: and go on Hudson Rid ofver Radio's dime on a sure, No, no.
Speaker 4: Problem, Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 2: I won't even go. You just go have a great time.
Speaker 4: I'll just bring back recepedts.
Speaker 1: Oh way, well, and plenty of shows. Well, we may
Speaker 1: also have to go to Greece, so we'll leave that
Speaker 1: ticket open for now. But here's another This is this
Speaker 1: is because I had to get some strange being story
Speaker 1: in here. We're going all the way back to May
Speaker 1: of nineteen thirty nine, so pre World War two, well
Speaker 1: for most of the world, pre roswell at eleven PM.
Speaker 4: I hope I say this right.
Speaker 1: Pentelecon Mountain in Attica, Greece.
Speaker 4: Have you been to Greece yet, Mike, I have not
Speaker 4: been to Greece. Oh, there's so much I want to
Speaker 4: see in Greece.
Speaker 1: Man by the name of Antonis Riftis was coming down
Speaker 1: the mountain with his sheep when he saw a bright,
Speaker 1: mushroom shaped object with bright search lights hovering over the trees.
Speaker 1: He then said two strange beings descended on a beam
Speaker 1: of the search light. Now we've heard about things going
Speaker 1: up into craft on the beam of a light.
Speaker 4: These are coming down.
Speaker 1: And you know a shepherd in Attica, Greece in nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty nine, he said it looked like they were wearing
Speaker 1: diving suits, like dressed like sponge divers, and sponge diving
Speaker 1: is a big thing in Grace, so that's his frame
Speaker 1: of reference. So they had some kind of gear on.
Speaker 1: They stopped about ten feet away, and he didn't hear
Speaker 1: a voice. They didn't speak out loud. He heard them
Speaker 1: in his head. Where have we heard that before? Like
Speaker 1: every case ever, and they kept urging him to go
Speaker 1: with him with them.
Speaker 2: Uh oh.
Speaker 1: Fortunately he refused and they didn't force him. But they
Speaker 1: said they had been to this spot many times in
Speaker 1: the past and would come back someday. That's kind of creepy, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we hear this that like maybe where ancient temples
Speaker 1: or sites have been built around the world, because that's
Speaker 1: where the star people came down, So maybe there's places
Speaker 1: they have favorite places.
Speaker 7: Like we do. They want to keep space tourism on
Speaker 7: their space tourism, so they went back into the beam
Speaker 7: of light, which then took them back into the craft
Speaker 7: and took off at high speed.
Speaker 1: So this reminded I don't know if you recall the
Speaker 1: only other I think it's the only other case I
Speaker 1: know with a mushroom shaped craft. I don't want to
Speaker 1: put you on the spot. But does that ring a
Speaker 1: bell at all?
Speaker 2: Is that the nineteen seventy one case? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yes, it is Delphos, Kansas, Kansas, Ronnie Johnson. Yes, he.
Speaker 1: Was out tending the sheep, okay, and it's in a
Speaker 1: town called Delphos, and he saw a big, bright, mushroom
Speaker 1: shaped craft. Did they get the throng? Oh, Delphos? That
Speaker 1: must be Greece, wrong, Delphos, Yeah, the yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 1: just thought it was very odd that a town named
Speaker 1: after a place in Greece, with a man tending his
Speaker 1: sheep sees a mushroom shaped craft.
Speaker 2: Those are big coincidences.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought.
Speaker 1: And he didn't see any beings in sponge diver suits.
Speaker 1: But I just love when you come on these little coincidences.
Speaker 1: Or is it a coincidence?
Speaker 2: I think not. I had to say it.
Speaker 4: I set you up for that obviously. Here courtesy of.
Speaker 1: Our favorite ancient Aliens Giorgio coincidence.
Speaker 4: I think not all right? You got one more? Ready
Speaker 4: for one more?
Speaker 2: I think we can do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're doing one in the US of A. And
Speaker 1: it's December twenty ninth, nineteen ninety nine, which Brian, what
Speaker 1: is nineteen nineties called now the.
Speaker 2: Late nineteen hundreds, the.
Speaker 6: Late nineteen hundreds, that's what kids.
Speaker 4: Are writing nowadays, the late nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: I'm protesting.
Speaker 5: Oh, I have protests.
Speaker 2: Did no good? It's doing this is no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: uh huh.
Speaker 1: I'm offended. But all right, so we're going back to the.
Speaker 4: Late nineteen hundreds. Oh, I want to choke saying that
Speaker 4: it is?
Speaker 1: Oh? I said December twenty ninth, nineteen ninety nine. A
Speaker 1: woman is driving in Denver, Colorado, on thirteenth Street. I'm
Speaker 1: not in either of you familiar with Denver, No, never
Speaker 1: mid Okay, so I don't know where that is. But
Speaker 1: this was a report she reported to both Newfork and
Speaker 1: moufon driving along minding her own business, sees two blue
Speaker 1: lights in the sky with a red light in the center,
Speaker 1: but they're not moving. So she's like, okay, must be
Speaker 1: a helicopter. She said, except when she drove under it,
Speaker 1: it was a grayish black boomerang. And I said to myself,
Speaker 1: what the blank is that? Which is one of the
Speaker 1: most genuine responses, gives the case credibility.
Speaker 2: Right off the bat, and no sugarcoating it.
Speaker 4: No, what the blank?
Speaker 1: So she's like, I have to say, So she turns
Speaker 1: around on the next street, comes back. It's only thirty
Speaker 1: seconds have elapsed, but it's already gone.
Speaker 6: But that's not the end of the story, is it?
Speaker 1: New this I'm just going to report, you know, don't
Speaker 1: shoot the messenger here her Apparently she had a lot
Speaker 1: of moles. Five of them faded and disappeared completely in
Speaker 1: the days after this. I don't know how that happens.
Speaker 1: Nine more were fading. That's that's a lot of moles.
Speaker 1: So something happened to her biologically, and that's not it.
Speaker 1: Over the course of five days, her hair turned from
Speaker 1: brown to auburn to blonde from the roots up. What
Speaker 1: changes your hair color? Usually chemicals can do that, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean you dye your hair or bleach it or whatever
Speaker 2: they do. But just within a couple of days, like
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Yeah, it was if it was
Speaker 2: happening in natural you know it start your roots and
Speaker 2: slowly grow up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what. Yeah, it was starting from the roots
Speaker 1: that Brian. Do you have any idea what changes somebody's hair.
Speaker 4: No, I mean you've heard of people getting lighter as
Speaker 4: they get older, but not the other way. Yeah, not
Speaker 4: in five days, not in five days. No, So that's
Speaker 4: not it.
Speaker 1: She started having a lot of dreams where she was
Speaker 1: having conversations with aliens in her dreams. And this I
Speaker 1: don't again, I'm just reporting. Apparently she had some spider
Speaker 1: veins and they disappeared. Those are dilated veins, like in
Speaker 1: your legs, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, close to the surface, okay.
Speaker 1: And what would make those go away without surgery or treatment?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, without like some kind of a
Speaker 2: medical treatment. I don't, I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 2: there's any like creams and stuff that really worked.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So, and then she continued to get various
Speaker 1: hot and cold spots in her body and pulsations. Sometimes
Speaker 1: the pulsations would get so severe would only almost be
Speaker 1: like painful. But you know, the whole thing is she
Speaker 1: wasn't that she drove under it, but so did a
Speaker 1: bunch of other people. You know, there's all this traffic.
Speaker 1: But that's what she recalls that that was what else
Speaker 1: happened that night. I don't know, but this brought to
Speaker 1: her mind. We've had Preston Dennett, a friend of ours,
Speaker 1: on the show. He has a book called UFO Healings,
Speaker 1: which is all about people who have contact and then
Speaker 1: medical conditions go away.
Speaker 4: So very odd.
Speaker 1: So I thought i'd stop on any very strange one there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was going to say, it's almost like
Speaker 2: she might have had missing time and didn't realize it
Speaker 2: as an initial encounter. And I don't think she was
Speaker 2: dreaming of talking with aliens. That's what she might recall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so what seems what what my spidy sense not?
Speaker 1: I don't have spider veins my spidy sense. I've seen
Speaker 1: in a lot of these cases, if you show interest
Speaker 1: and go after them, more things happen. Like my own case.
Speaker 1: We jumped in a car and went after them, and
Speaker 1: uh oh where did that time go? So be careful
Speaker 1: what you ask for. I know we did a whole
Speaker 1: show on that. But so the fact that she turns
Speaker 1: around and tries to go back, she's fascinated by them.
Speaker 1: Then did something else subsequently happen, I think.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's fascinating. And get Preston's book. I have
Speaker 2: to read it, folks. You know, he's a good friend
Speaker 2: of ours, has been on the show many times, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll have him on again in the future.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll have him on for UFO healings. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: people are interested in that, let us know. I think
Speaker 1: it's an amazing an amazing topic because we hear too
Speaker 1: often where people have like signs of radiation exposure and
Speaker 1: things don't go well for them. So would be nice
Speaker 1: to hear maybe when positive things happen as a result.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's not something commonly associated with UFOs.
Speaker 2: When you talk about UFOs healing, isn't using one of
Speaker 2: the topics that comes up in conversation?
Speaker 4: No, No, it's usually terror end Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: So that is part two of the dust bin of ufology.
Speaker 1: And if you liked that, maybe there's a part three
Speaker 1: in our future somewhere. I can't get enough of these
Speaker 1: stories there, and there's so many to choose from.
Speaker 6: It's remarkable.
Speaker 1: So so Mike, enjoy Finland. Hopefully you'll get some Finnish
Speaker 1: UFO cases. And our September episode will be Mike Warden
Speaker 1: UFO Foreign Correspondence.
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