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Speaker 3: top of this hour to pay tribute to a nightside
Speaker 3: listener for many years a friend of mine from New Jersey,
Speaker 3: Hank Hank Papoor, who lived a very full life, was
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Speaker 3: insurance executive UH and later in his career had a
Speaker 3: very successful sports memorabilia store in Brown Mills, New Jersey.
Speaker 3: You can find that on eBay if you want just eBay,
Speaker 3: I guess eBay dot com U s p R for
Speaker 3: sports and Hank's cards. And Hank, who was a huge
Speaker 3: fan of everything New York. We had plenty of conversations,
Speaker 3: both my brother and I with him about why where
Speaker 3: we agreed and disagreed on certain things. But he also
Speaker 3: became a great night side listener and he would be
Speaker 3: texting me sometimes when I would let a call or
Speaker 3: go a little too long and cut him off, got
Speaker 3: him off, and he wanted Rob's job. He wanted to
Speaker 3: be my producer, I guess. But a year ago he
Speaker 3: had a medical seizure and had come back from that
Speaker 3: slowly but surely, and actually felt pretty good up until
Speaker 3: about a week or so ago and things went downhill fast.
Speaker 3: And so we lose listeners all the time in this business.
Speaker 3: And I think of some of my most memorable callers
Speaker 3: and friends who were loyal listeners of this program. But
Speaker 3: every once in a while one stands out, and Hank
Speaker 3: Purpora certainly did. And I just want to wish him.
Speaker 3: I want to wish his family, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: peace with what has happened. None of us get out
Speaker 3: of this place alive. I guess that's one lesson we
Speaker 3: can learn from all of this. And as David Brudnoy
Speaker 3: used to remind reminded us before he passed, it's always
Speaker 3: good to tell those who you are close to how
Speaker 3: much you love them, and whether they are family or friends,
Speaker 3: because sometimes there comes a point in time when you
Speaker 3: can no longer express that that sentiment to them face
Speaker 3: to face. Uh. And we certainly loved Hank Purpor of
Speaker 3: New Jersey, both as a listener, as an occasional caller
Speaker 3: uh and uh and as a quintessential New Yorker. And
Speaker 3: the jury, I mean, if they ever had cast a
Speaker 3: movie and they and they needed a guy to play
Speaker 3: somebody from New York in Jersey. It was Hank. And
Speaker 3: again our thoughts and prayers go to his family, and
Speaker 3: particularly to his son Jim, who will carry on the
Speaker 3: family business. But the world is is a poor place.
Speaker 3: I mean, he had a great sense of humor, and
Speaker 3: he loved sending me trivia questions and challenge my my
Speaker 3: knowledge of any sport. And he was a He was
Speaker 3: a great friend. I wish I had known him earlier
Speaker 3: in my life and had spent more time in contact
Speaker 3: with him, But we had a good three or four years.
Speaker 3: And rest in peace, friend, Rest in peace you You
Speaker 3: you ran the marathon, and and you you smiled a
Speaker 3: lot more than you cried, that's for sure. And a
Speaker 3: lot of people are crying for you tonight and flear
Speaker 3: in a far better place. So I don't do that
Speaker 3: often for listeners, but he was a special guy, and
Speaker 3: I thank you for allowing me to do that. Now.
Speaker 3: I want to get back to the topic we're talking about,
Speaker 3: and I think this is an important topic. You know,
Speaker 3: I often try to challenge my audience. Could I could
Speaker 3: do topics here every night of the week, you know,
Speaker 3: tell me your favorite pizza, tell me your favorite color.
Speaker 3: We sometimes do those sort of lighter topics on a
Speaker 3: Friday at eleven o'clock or a Friday night at ten o'clock,
Speaker 3: but this is one that the president elect has issued
Speaker 3: an ultimatum. This is what this is on truth social
Speaker 3: basically said to Hamas, and I guess to ran As
Speaker 3: Will from Long Island, I think astutely pointed out if
Speaker 3: the hostages are not released prior to January twentieth, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five, the date that I proudly assume office as
Speaker 3: President of the United States, be all hell to pay
Speaker 3: in the Middle East, and for those in charge who
Speaker 3: perportated these atrocities against humanity. That's directed to Hamas. In
Speaker 3: my opinion, those responsible, and here's where iron comes in,
Speaker 3: will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in
Speaker 3: the long and storied history of the United States of America.
Speaker 3: Release the hostages, now, that is a very strong statement. Now,
Speaker 3: if this strong statement were to work, and AMAS were
Speaker 3: to decide to release those hostages, I think it would
Speaker 3: be remembered as a brilliant, brilliant challenge. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: that Hamas will comply. And the reason I'm not sure
Speaker 3: they will comply is one they don't think they care.
Speaker 3: I don't think that they worry. I think that they
Speaker 3: see their role in this world quite differently than any
Speaker 3: of us can even understand. In view of what they
Speaker 3: did on October the seventh, they have no more compass whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Their only compasses for survival. And I suspect that the
Speaker 3: presence of some of the hostages still being alive is
Speaker 3: their ticket to tomorrow, because as long as there are
Speaker 3: hostages who are alive, we value the lives of everyone
Speaker 3: differently that Hamas values them. Hamas looks at these Israelis
Speaker 3: and Americans who are still in captivity as of chips
Speaker 3: in a war that, in their mind, will never end.
Speaker 3: So I don't think Donald Trump is going to get
Speaker 3: the concessions that he's looking for. I hope he does.
Speaker 3: So then the question is what happens if he does
Speaker 3: take that oath of office? What action does he take?
Speaker 3: So that's the question I'm asking. I think it was
Speaker 3: a brilliant idea to issue this this threat, this promise,
Speaker 3: and maybe Hamas will look at him and say, hey,
Speaker 3: we can't trust him. Let's ask for safe passage out
Speaker 3: of here. Let us get to a country which will
Speaker 3: allow us to live there, and we will reconstitute ourselves.
Speaker 3: That would be the way that I think a pragmatist
Speaker 3: within Hamas would be thinking. And maybe maybe there's some
Speaker 3: intelligence which suggests to us that that will strike a court.
Speaker 3: I don't know. My question to you is what do
Speaker 3: you think Donald Trump does if they don't release the hostages?
Speaker 3: And now it's day one, day two, day three, day four,
Speaker 3: day five of the second Trump administration. I think the
Speaker 3: President elect has kind of backed themselves into a corner
Speaker 3: where unless Harmast does something very significant, they will be
Speaker 3: able to turn around and say, hey, we would stood
Speaker 3: the we would stood the threat, and we're still standing.
Speaker 3: So the wisdom of the ultimatum, and it is an ultimatum,
Speaker 3: it's an or else ultimatum, there's no doubt about that. Now, again,
Speaker 3: he is not the president of the United States yet,
Speaker 3: but he will be. I think it's at this point
Speaker 3: forty six days maybe if I'm doing my math correctly,
Speaker 3: twenty five twenty six days left here in December, twenty
Speaker 3: days in January. That's it. That's it. That's the end
Speaker 3: of Biden Harris presidency, and it's the start of the
Speaker 3: forty seventh president, Donald Trump. So whether you like Donald
Speaker 3: Trump voted for Donald Trump, can't stan Donald Trump would
Speaker 3: never vote for Donald Trump. He has played a card
Speaker 3: here that maybe to work. I don't know. My question
Speaker 3: is do you agree with what Donald Trump did here?
Speaker 3: I don't think he broke any US law at all
Speaker 3: by suggesting this. He's just sent a message to Hamas.
Speaker 3: He's not negotiating with a foreign power. And what does
Speaker 3: he do? What does he do if Hamas does not comply?
Speaker 3: What does he do if that portion of the ultimatum
Speaker 3: or else is not fulfilled by Hamas? Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 3: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
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Speaker 3: Back to the phones. We're go. I'm going to go
Speaker 3: to Joe and Lynn. Joe, thanks for calding through the news.
Speaker 3: You are next on Nightside. Did I miss Where's Joe?
Speaker 3: Let's put Joe on hold? If Joe's not there, he
Speaker 3: held through the news. Laurie is an idah, Oh, Laurie,
Speaker 3: how are you tonight?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well.
Speaker 5: Nice to have you back.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm happy to be back. I'm here tomorrow night,
Speaker 3: I'm off Friday, and then I'm here for two weeks
Speaker 3: right till the twentieth of December. So you're gonna have
Speaker 3: a lot of me if you want me, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Lord.
Speaker 5: So I'm kind of the opposite of back himself during
Speaker 5: the corner. I feel more like he's walked into the
Speaker 5: walking into the room, talking and carrying a big stick.
Speaker 3: Okay, So let's assume Hamas does the right thing and
Speaker 3: gives up the hostages. Even if they do it, do
Speaker 3: some sort of a deal whereby they're given free passage
Speaker 3: to another Middle Eastern country. I think he comes out
Speaker 3: looking pretty good. What happens if they don't and they say, hey,
Speaker 3: mister President, it's January twenty first, next move is up
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 6: What happens then, well, I can't believe that Trump and
Speaker 6: mister don't don't already have kind of a plan in
Speaker 6: that way, and maybe Pakistan wouldn't want any part of
Speaker 6: it and send them packing.
Speaker 3: Would you say about Pakistan?
Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't know, not Pakistan. Whose other I mean,
Speaker 5: who who's landed Hamas actually on?
Speaker 3: Well, well they're on what they call Palestine. Oh oh yeah,
Speaker 3: but it is is an area that is run by
Speaker 3: had been run by the Palestinian authoritys ousted them in
Speaker 3: an election earlier this century. Uh, and I think it
Speaker 3: was in two thousand and six if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 3: and then they've never had another election. It's like they're
Speaker 3: in perpetuity.
Speaker 5: There's nobody that can really kick them off of where
Speaker 5: they're living.
Speaker 3: Then, well, who is talking about Israel? Israel would love
Speaker 3: to kick him off.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying that when when President Trump or
Speaker 3: President elect Trump used the phraseology here that those responsible
Speaker 3: have hit harder than anybody who has been hit anybody
Speaker 3: who has been hit in the long story history of
Speaker 3: the United States of America released the hostages. Now, I
Speaker 3: have no idea who he might Oh that.
Speaker 5: Could have been Iran.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe they've Yeah, I don't know, but I just
Speaker 5: think he's I think he's making a little bit of
Speaker 5: a noise walking in the room. And if that goes away,
Speaker 5: before he gets in office. That will be one lest
Speaker 5: thing he has to deal with. And it also makes,
Speaker 5: you know, America look like it's being strong again. And
Speaker 5: I think it's good for Perozrael to know that they're
Speaker 5: being supported. And also all the family members that have
Speaker 5: hostages over there, alive or dead, have a right to know.
Speaker 1: What's you know, I.
Speaker 3: Guess to put it in simpler terms, he's setting a tone, Yes,
Speaker 3: a new tone. Hey, Laurie, let me ask you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Lauren.
Speaker 3: Great, great to your voice. I know we'll talk to
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Speaker 3: a very merry Christmas and we will. We'll talk before
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Speaker 3: go next to Joe and Lynn. Joe, we had you,
Speaker 3: we lost you, and thank goodness you have come back.
Speaker 3: How are you tonight, Joe?
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm doing the best I can. Wish me luck.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Dana Farbur a couple of weeks, but
Speaker 2: just wish me luck. I heard the commercial. I love
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Speaker 2: They were kind to me that They said to me,
Speaker 2: we don't blame you with alternative. We can discuss it.
Speaker 2: He says, you'll like the doctor when you meet him.
Speaker 2: They were kind to me. At least they're open minded.
Speaker 2: Dan and I hope. I'd love to buy one of
Speaker 2: those bags if I had to, but I can't use
Speaker 2: the website. I'm not that good of the website. Now,
Speaker 2: getting back to this, I think Trump should do it,
Speaker 2: not yet Yea who I can pronounce his name yah
Speaker 2: bomb pronunciation bomb Helmas out of existence, because that's the
Speaker 2: only way they're going to get rid of them. I mean,
Speaker 2: we may or may not lose the hostages, but first
Speaker 2: try and take down their structure. That he may have
Speaker 2: to do that. And because I heard net Ya who
Speaker 2: say that one time. He says they should be gotten
Speaker 2: rid of, and that's the price we pay, you know
Speaker 2: what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, Well, we're not paying that price the hostages would
Speaker 3: be paid.
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's unless we can get get rid
Speaker 2: of them without hurting the hostages. But I don't know, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the hostages, however, many remain. However,
Speaker 3: many are still alive, and I think that the number
Speaker 3: of the maximum number would be one hundred because some
Speaker 3: have been rescued, a handful of rescued by Israeli soldiers
Speaker 3: died during the conflict, and some have died in captivity.
Speaker 3: The belief is one hundred at the outside. There were
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty people taking hostage at the beginning,
Speaker 3: so they're down to forty percent of what they had. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know that Hamas is going to rise to
Speaker 3: the occasion and do the right thing here, because I think,
Speaker 3: like anything else in a hostage situation, they are chips
Speaker 3: that Hamas might need to pay, need to play cards,
Speaker 3: they need to play, and I unless they're going to
Speaker 3: work a deal, I mean, what if Hamas said, look,
Speaker 3: give us safe passage for the leadership that's left your
Speaker 3: twenty five Hamas leaders, We get to go to the
Speaker 3: Arab Emirates or Cutter or somewhere that would take them,
Speaker 3: and we will leave the hostages for you to come
Speaker 3: and rescue.
Speaker 2: Oh well, Dan, I don't think that will work because
Speaker 2: no one wants those people. Am I correct? Is They're
Speaker 2: not like throughout the Middle East?
Speaker 3: Or I think that none of these countries wanted the
Speaker 3: refugee issues of all the Palestinians. I don't think that
Speaker 3: no country wanted to absorb that. But you might get
Speaker 3: a Cutter or a United Arab Emirates to say, Okay,
Speaker 3: we will take you know, twenty people or whatever. I think.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean the reason I say that because our people
Speaker 2: go over to those countries sometimes and visit. They have
Speaker 2: to be careful. I don't know. I don't think that's
Speaker 2: going to work any of.
Speaker 3: Those countries at this point. Joe, you have to be
Speaker 3: yea as an American. Look, you go anywhere in the world,
Speaker 3: and you have to be careful as an American unless
Speaker 3: you go to some country, and even if a country
Speaker 3: that's friendly.
Speaker 2: To us, well, I don't I don't know. That's may
Speaker 2: or may not work, But I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: that Trump has no choice but to do whatever he
Speaker 2: wants to do, and I hope he doesn't disappear. I
Speaker 2: hope he does it. And I did have a decent
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving this year. I visited my friend who invited me.
Speaker 2: But I'll probably be alone in Christmas. But that's the
Speaker 2: way it is, I guess, all right. That's the social
Speaker 2: work was very nice to me. He understood how I felt.
Speaker 2: I talk to you, and at least he's open minded.
Speaker 2: Now that's what you need.
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, Joe. You've got a battle on your hands,
Speaker 3: but I think you're a tough guy and you're gonna
Speaker 3: win it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I don't know how tough I am, but
Speaker 2: all right, thanks Joe, thank you, Bye bye.
Speaker 3: Let me go to Sidney. Gonna get Cindy and Fitchburgh
Speaker 3: in here. Cindy, you are next on night side. Get
Speaker 3: you in before the news at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 3: How are you.
Speaker 7: That's wonderful, Thank you, thank you for having me. I'm
Speaker 7: okay hearing the ultimatum and taking it at face value.
Speaker 7: It's a It's a frightening thing to think about. And
Speaker 7: I think about my grandkids who are eleven and thirteen,
Speaker 7: who could read the quotes and take it even further.
Speaker 7: How do we how do we deal with this ultimatum?
Speaker 7: And how do we communicate this in a common way
Speaker 7: to those around us? How do we how do we
Speaker 7: help each other deal with this?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Care it's scary, but the world is a scary place.
Speaker 3: And you put yourself in the position of the families
Speaker 3: who have hostages there. I mean that have lived now
Speaker 3: what fifteen months or so fourteen and a half months,
Speaker 3: knowing that they're not knowing of the fate of their
Speaker 3: loved ones. The bad guys here are Hamas. It's not
Speaker 3: the Palestinian people, but it's Hamas who did this. Some
Speaker 3: of these hostages have been killed. And Donald Trump issued
Speaker 3: an ultimatum. And let me tell you, as one of
Speaker 3: our other callers said, once you're right the check, sometimes
Speaker 3: you have to pay the bills. So I don't know
Speaker 3: what he has in mind, but he certainly made it
Speaker 3: very clear that he intends to extract quite a price
Speaker 3: if these hostages are not released by January twentieth.
Speaker 7: So there's no common thought to go with this, is there.
Speaker 7: This is a fact, and this is.
Speaker 3: Stakes. Yeah, I mean, I mean, if they're released, the
Speaker 3: only thing I see is if you know, Israel has
Speaker 3: in the past traded up to one thousand inmates members
Speaker 3: of Hamas for one single Israeli soldier. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: the value that Israel puts on the lives of their
Speaker 3: citizens and members of their military. So maybe maybe Hamas
Speaker 3: reaches out and this is intended to break the logjam,
Speaker 3: and Hamas says, look, you give us free passage out
Speaker 3: of here. You know, twenty people, twenty five people, whatever
Speaker 3: leadership has left, and we will provide you give us
Speaker 3: free passage. We want to go to you know, pick
Speaker 3: a country, United Arab Emirates, Cutter, any of the countries
Speaker 3: in the Middle East, and we will have the hostages
Speaker 3: ready to be released as soon as we cross out
Speaker 3: of out of gossip.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't that be something what I said, wouldn't that
Speaker 7: be something?
Speaker 3: It would be and it would be something for Donald
Speaker 3: Trump to say, hey, it was it was his initiative.
Speaker 3: It's like a log jam now. But are they And
Speaker 3: again I think that everybody has focused for a long
Speaker 3: time on the Ukraine War, which is which is important.
Speaker 3: But I think what's going on in Israel is is critical.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Well, thank you
Speaker 7: for taking my call. I guess there's just no comforting
Speaker 7: way to think about this, and it is what it is,
Speaker 7: and I'm afraid of the worst case scenario. So time
Speaker 7: will tell.
Speaker 3: What's the worst case scenario in your mind?
Speaker 7: That that when Trump takes office, they will not have
Speaker 7: been released and he will unleash Holy hell.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what he said.
Speaker 3: That's the quote all hell to pay, There will be
Speaker 3: all hell to pay. You're right, and I believe him.
Speaker 7: I did not vote for him, but I believe when
Speaker 7: he says something like that, and that scares me. All right, well,
Speaker 7: thank you so much. I've never called before. I've listened
Speaker 7: for many years. I was in grade school listening to
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Speaker 3: which would be great six one, seven, two, four, ten
Speaker 3: thirty six, one, seven, nine thirty. I think this is
Speaker 3: a great topic. You may not uh and ultimately your
Speaker 3: your thoughts are the ones that prevail here. I'd love
Speaker 3: to talk about this until midnight. Has Donald Trump written
Speaker 3: a check that he cannot cash, as I think Roger
Speaker 3: from Melrose suggested in the end of the ten o'clock hour,
Speaker 3: Or is this the sort of statement made by a
Speaker 3: different sort of president who's about to take office on
Speaker 3: January twentieth that might break the logjam in the Middle
Speaker 3: East and produce freedom for whatever hostages remain and remain alive.
Speaker 3: Let us hope so we will see You have the
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Speaker 3: Wow. That's that's not good news for the Austin Brighton neighborhood,
Speaker 3: is it now? Maybe we'll talk about that tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: Uh geez, that was a very interesting development. I haven't
Speaker 3: followed that closely, but wow. All right, back to the
Speaker 3: phones we go, gonna go next to our pal Gary
Speaker 3: in New Jersey. Gary, you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Welcome Dan, Good to talk to you.
Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, my friend always to talk
Speaker 3: to someone from Jersey. Take it well tonight.
Speaker 1: Well, you know I am. I'm a conservative Jew.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I follow the laws down to the dietary laws. How
Speaker 1: I've done it for the last fifty years with my wife,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I did good by you. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying though, See, I look at the opposite way. One.
Speaker 1: We're America. We've had a weak, lily livid president and
Speaker 1: administration that's almost openly hostile to Israel. Now there are
Speaker 1: only real solid allies. There can't count on the Saudies
Speaker 1: can't count on none of them. My feeling is not
Speaker 1: only should he write that check and doing the twenty five,
Speaker 1: but he needs to get a message to him. And
Speaker 1: I know this is just me. You know it's not
Speaker 1: going to happen, but in a world with the best
Speaker 1: of all things, I would take their why shoot them
Speaker 1: right along with them? To show any future terrorists not
Speaker 1: only aren't you going to get away with it, but
Speaker 1: your family's going to pay the price. I think if
Speaker 1: you did that one, yeah, that would be enough.
Speaker 3: I do that that that would be considered a war
Speaker 3: a war crime.
Speaker 1: So well, you know what, how come we always have
Speaker 1: to play by the rules, rules of engagement? Rules are this?
Speaker 1: Rules of that? Look, and I know what I said
Speaker 1: is hypothetical.
Speaker 3: I'm agreeing with you on rules of engagement because I
Speaker 3: think the rules of engagement often put our troops in
Speaker 3: unnecessary dudge. Absolutely, okay, we're with you totally on that.
Speaker 3: But I think that you know, if if let's say
Speaker 3: we went in at the night that they got Osama
Speaker 3: bin Laden, if we then went around and finished off
Speaker 3: everybody else in the house, I don't think that would
Speaker 3: have been a That's not well.
Speaker 1: I look at it. And again, if it's just my opinion, Dan,
Speaker 1: I look at it that if we did that, October
Speaker 1: seventh might not have happened. And that's the thing. They
Speaker 1: have to pay a higher price than what they did.
Speaker 3: And you know, but but you let me ask you this, Okay,
Speaker 3: should have we executed Nazipow's.
Speaker 1: What do you mean during World Well, they were soldiers.
Speaker 1: Do I think we should have executed SS? Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Do I think anyone who had anything to do with
Speaker 1: concentration we did?
Speaker 3: Of course, you know after the Nuremberg trials I'm talking
Speaker 3: about just should have we gone? Let me ask you this,
Speaker 3: should have we gone and executed the wives of the
Speaker 3: SS officers?
Speaker 1: Well, I got to be honest with you, if they
Speaker 1: enjoyed the spoils, I mean, would I really have cared
Speaker 1: at that time? And you know I wasn't there. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Would have really bothered me if we killed
Speaker 1: a Nazi leader at the camp comming down at Auschwitz
Speaker 1: and took his wife out because she enjoyed all those benefits,
Speaker 1: not at all?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, and I'm not trying to be cold. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be cold.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, but you are very consistent,
Speaker 3: and I disagree with you, you know, and I'm okay
Speaker 3: you immensely, but I do think that that we have
Speaker 3: a level of respect and honor in most parts of
Speaker 3: the world. Maybe not everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well one of the things though, you know, even
Speaker 1: what you said before, it's not the Palestinians full And
Speaker 1: I just leave you with this question. You grew up
Speaker 1: in Boston. I know that you went to that, you know,
Speaker 1: the Latin school, and I don't know where your kids went.
Speaker 1: But if a group of terrorists were using your children
Speaker 1: for shields, would you not try to get some of
Speaker 1: the other dads and moms together and say we got
Speaker 1: to arm ourselves because they're using art kids. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know if that was happening to me, I think
Speaker 1: I would do it.
Speaker 3: Don't do it there, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's it's to go after family members
Speaker 3: is a step that ever taken, because well, you know,
Speaker 3: but again that's a hypothetical. You raise it. I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to change your mind. I'm just telling you. I
Speaker 3: only the only thing that I really owe you, my friend,
Speaker 3: is my honest opinion. I really fine, okay, And and
Speaker 3: I will never patronize even someone like you, who I
Speaker 3: respect immensely. I know a lot about you too, your career,
Speaker 3: your military experience, and so you know I I respect.
Speaker 3: I just would say that, no, that would not be
Speaker 3: something that I think would be in our best interest. Gary,
Speaker 3: I got to keep rolling here.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: We're talking at holidays. Do you celebrate Monica?
Speaker 1: H we celebrate, but we got crucifixes and missus all over.
Speaker 3: Well, uh what we do? Happy Merry Christmas? Everything that
Speaker 3: you celebrate, my friend, it's.
Speaker 1: Damn right, it's married Christmas. I hate that happy holidays stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're, we're, we're we joined at the hip
Speaker 3: on that one. I just think that's that's weak stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, well, best to you and your family. You know
Speaker 1: you're the only one I listened to.
Speaker 3: Well. I appreciate that, I really do.
Speaker 8: I can't tell you.
Speaker 3: There are people around the country who I've gotten to
Speaker 3: know like you. You know, Laurie and Idaho, never met
Speaker 3: any of you. Hank in New Jersey, who I mentioned
Speaker 3: at the top of the hour, I got to know
Speaker 3: him really well. You would have loved the guy. I mean,
Speaker 3: he was, he was New York and New Jersey to.
Speaker 1: The court just like I can say New York and
Speaker 1: was busy digging my Christmas tree out.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks man, We'll talk to Gary. Okay, call
Speaker 3: me for before the end of the next week.
Speaker 1: Okay, talk to you well, Thanks buddy.
Speaker 3: Okay. I went a little along there with Gary. I
Speaker 3: got I got Paul, I got Christine, I got Mary.
Speaker 3: We're coming right back on night said, we're going to
Speaker 3: get everybody in. I got some open lines if you
Speaker 3: want to try, but I can't guarantee it, but I
Speaker 3: guarantee for Paul, for Christine and Mary. You're all set.
Speaker 3: We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 4: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 4: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: Back to the phones we go. Let's go to Mary
Speaker 3: in Somerville. Mary, appreciate you calling in. You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 9: Oh, Hello, Hi, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 3: You're more than welcome. So what do you think about
Speaker 3: the president's ultimatum?
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm I hadn't heard about it, so thanks. I
Speaker 9: listened to you in the car a lot, and uh,
Speaker 9: I think it's I tend agree with the man who said,
Speaker 9: what's he going to do right now that Israel hasn't
Speaker 9: already done. But I think more than that, my feeling
Speaker 9: is the Tamas is not going to back down. You know,
Speaker 9: that's my instinct. I have no basics, have.
Speaker 3: Shown a much inclination and do that previously. I agree
Speaker 3: with you on that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I don't. I don't get real frightened like
Speaker 9: a lot of my friends do about what's going to happen.
Speaker 9: But I worry that the Middle East is so angry
Speaker 9: at and not just you know, I mean the whole
Speaker 9: group of countries I can't name them all, at what's
Speaker 9: being done to the Palestinians that and this is like
Speaker 9: now be like the doom sayre. I feel like something
Speaker 9: like this might provoke them to say, okay, okay, let's
Speaker 9: it's time to show the Americans what this is like,
Speaker 9: because they've got plenty of war power, and you know
Speaker 9: it's we're we're funding this massive killing whatever you want
Speaker 9: to call it, whether you call it genocide or not.
Speaker 9: And so I worry. My main point is I worry
Speaker 9: that a statement like this, they're going to say, let's
Speaker 9: show Trump what we have and come to the United States,
Speaker 9: not just with terrorists, but with with you know, weapons
Speaker 9: of what, war planes and all that.
Speaker 3: I don't think that I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Certainly there are terrorists who have committed the country and
Speaker 3: they could be they could the sleeper sales could be activated.
Speaker 3: But Europe, that's possible. Let us hope not, that's for sure. Mary,
Speaker 3: I got three more. I'm going to try to sneak
Speaker 3: in here. So thank you so much. Please continue to
Speaker 3: call the program.
Speaker 9: Okay, yes, thanks, have a great night.
Speaker 3: Let me go next to Paul in Plymouth. Paul, you
Speaker 3: next on Nightside right hit Paul Dan.
Speaker 8: I just want to I just want to bring up
Speaker 8: the fact that and in this case I agree with
Speaker 8: incoming president Trump. But in normal conditions, it seems that
Speaker 8: the incoming president shouldn't be getting involved in foreign policy
Speaker 8: before the outgoing presidents because you don't know what they've
Speaker 8: got going on. But I think in this case in
Speaker 8: the president administration is so ineffective that they might not
Speaker 8: have anything going on.
Speaker 3: So well, you know the old phrases that foreign policy
Speaker 3: differences stop at the shore, and that in the past.
Speaker 3: You know, look, if Donald Trump were to negotiate with
Speaker 3: a foreign government, that is way over the line that's
Speaker 3: not supposed to happen, but for him to make sort
Speaker 3: of a what he would characterize as a humanitarian plea
Speaker 3: to release the hostages with the implication that if they're
Speaker 3: you know, he's basically saying he arguably he could. He
Speaker 3: could be saying, look, I want them to be released
Speaker 3: during President Biden's time in office. That's why I'm asking this.
Speaker 3: He could, he could. He could spend this one pretty
Speaker 3: favorably in my opinion.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, Well, I would also add to that, you know,
Speaker 8: he should go one step further and say, say, you know,
Speaker 8: the people of Iran and uh, you know, rise up
Speaker 8: against the oppressors.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure we're going to hear a lot of that,
Speaker 3: and I think that there are there are people in
Speaker 3: Iran who are ready to do that. Look, you they've
Speaker 3: had the Green Revolution and uh over time. Yes, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people in Iran who are chafing at
Speaker 3: the at the treatment that they have received. I think
Speaker 3: that's a very astute observation. Paul, Thanks, I got two more.
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to sneak in here before the
Speaker 3: night is over.
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, good night, Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Paul, appreciate it. Let me go to Christine
Speaker 3: and den him. Christine, you're next on Nightsiga. Right ahead.
Speaker 5: How you doing, Dan, I'm doing great.
Speaker 3: Getting a little tight on time here, Christine, like to
Speaker 3: get you in one more in go right ahead, okay.
Speaker 9: I I am so terrified of all that that you
Speaker 9: know that this could oh god, it's scary to think
Speaker 9: what could.
Speaker 8: Happen, you know, Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3: I think I'm more worried about Ukraine because I think
Speaker 3: that the you know, the you know again, I hope
Speaker 3: that Putin would not act crazy, but you never know,
Speaker 3: you just never know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm right now my nephew zubblin Germany starving with
Speaker 9: the army, and it terrifies me, it really, it terrifies me.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you're an intelligent person, and I think
Speaker 3: that that there's there's need to be concerned. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, what are we going to do about it?
Speaker 3: There's got to be something that we got to change
Speaker 3: the dynam in the Middle East in my in my opinion,
Speaker 3: that's for sure.
Speaker 9: Yes, I just hope he that he wants he's not
Speaker 9: gonna do something. You know, he's saying our hell could
Speaker 9: break lost.
Speaker 5: I hope it's not true.
Speaker 3: Yep, Christine, you're a very loyal nightside listener and a caller.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been bestowed a present from nightside or no?
Speaker 7: I have not?
Speaker 3: Well you ha. Now you're going to get a nightside
Speaker 3: tolke bag. You stay there, give Rob all the information
Speaker 3: I need and I want you to put that under
Speaker 3: the Christmas tree.
Speaker 9: Okay, thank you so much. If you're not doing it
Speaker 9: any Friday night, they have a not tree lighting at
Speaker 9: the German hommeyam.
Speaker 3: All olcome to com Yeah, no, I appreciate that. I
Speaker 3: actually am off, but I have a commitment on Friday night. Okay,
Speaker 3: we'll keep you posted. Thanks Christine, stay there. Rob will
Speaker 3: take you all the information for you. Okay. Last call
Speaker 3: of the night is Terry in Harwich.
Speaker 8: Terry.
Speaker 3: I only got about thirty seconds. Go ahead, Terry.
Speaker 10: Hi Dan, how you're doing doing great?
Speaker 3: Terry?
Speaker 9: How are you well.
Speaker 10: I'm recovering from some arm surgery that was pretty intense actually.
Speaker 3: But I'm sorry. I'm sorry, thank you.
Speaker 10: But I'm recovering, so that's good. I'm not an expert
Speaker 10: on the Middle East, but from my perspective, words matter.
Speaker 10: The whole world is watching. This is the president of
Speaker 10: elect of the United States of America. Now he's drawn
Speaker 10: a line in the sands. Yes, he's gonna have to
Speaker 10: happen one way or the other. I'm going to get
Speaker 10: a precedence for every single other terrorist and group out there.
Speaker 10: This is a very concerning situation.
Speaker 3: I hope he does the right thing. Terry, you know
Speaker 3: what I want to do. You're a special friend, and
Speaker 3: I'd like to get you a tell you Okay, now
Speaker 3: you hold on. Rob's gonna have to get your information
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 10: You are incredible and I hope you have the merriest
Speaker 10: Christmas ever to you and your family, and thank you
Speaker 10: so much.
Speaker 3: Welcome Terry, You're welcome. Thank our friends at College Hype
Speaker 3: College Hype dot com. Hang in there, Terry and Rob
Speaker 3: will take care.
Speaker 10: I am all right.
Speaker 3: Don't get a robe. Get all the information to the
Speaker 3: other callers. They wish it called earlier. But we're done
Speaker 3: for the night. We'll get back to all of you
Speaker 3: tomorrow night. I'll end as always. All dogs, all cat
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Speaker 3: I do believe you'll see them again. See again tomorrow
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