WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:05.200 Hello everyone. This week on GameSpot After Dark, we're joined 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:07.960 by Will aka the Black Owning to talk about playing 3 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:11.560 Metal Gear Solid in twenty twenty one CD Project Red 4 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.640 being Held at Ransom, and TAM's adventures in Hollow Night 5 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:20.760 Continue Enjoy. 6 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:26.239 Hello and welcome to episode eighty of GameSpot After Dark. 7 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:28.640 I'm your host Jake Decker, and joining me this week 8 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:29.600 is Lucy James. 9 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:31.359 Hello to more. 10 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:35.560 Hussein Hello, and Will aka the Black One Hello. 11 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:36.000 Hello. 12 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:38.679 We're happy to have you here, Thanks for joining us. 13 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:40.960 Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited. 14 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:43.799 The early banter that we had was already. 15 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:47.119 Fun and technical issues. 16 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:51.200 Technical issues. Yeah, I feel like every week we I'm 17 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:54.679 doing some different setup that makes everything really difficult for everyone. 18 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:57.759 But you know, that's how it is. Sometimes you've got 19 00:00:57.799 --> 00:00:59.960 to refine the workflow exactly. 20 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:00.640 I know. 21 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:02.600 I wrote a whole doc about it too, and it 22 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:05.680 was very good, a six page document on how to 23 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:09.439 produce and edit this podcast. I thought about sharing it 24 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:11.319 with the Discord server because it might help people, but 25 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:12.719 then I started to read through it and I was like, 26 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:15.159 so much of this stuff is really specific that I 27 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:18.680 don't know if it would be any help. But anyway, Will, 28 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:20.640 where are you calling from? Out of curiosity? 29 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.400 I'm calling from San Jose, California. 30 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:28.560 Okay, close by then I'm Berkeley right now, Blue season, 31 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:30.319 San Francisco to moors in Oakland. 32 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:31.319 It's an all. 33 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.879 Bay area right here. Yeah, same time, Not that it 34 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:37.120 matters in twenty twenty one when everyone's in a zoom. 35 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:39.120 Yeah, who comes on wives? 36 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:41.480 Maybe because I'm not trying to eat dinner well on 37 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:42.200 the podcast. 38 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:44.359 So that's nice, that's good. True. 39 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.439 So normally we start off this podcast with what we've 40 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:49.040 been playing, but we have a guest today, so we 41 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:51.560 are going to start with the Chris from Dayton, Ohio segment. 42 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:56.400 Awesome, you did the pause? Does that pause because you 43 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:58.519 want us to do the song? Are we using? 44 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:00.280 I was waiting for you guys to do this the song, 45 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.719 but I will cut it anyway and use the Discord song. 46 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:05.959 So that was a little unfair of me to just fine. 47 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:09.719 I just want Will to know that we're gonna ambush. 48 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:12.199 Him with beautiful song serenade me. 49 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.800 So hang on, so throw it again again, and now. 50 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:23.439 It's time for the Chris from Dayton, Ohio segment. On 51 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:30.560 time right, Chris, Will, So the Chris from Daton, Ohio segment. 52 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:33.319 I kind of explained it a little bit before we recorded, 53 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:35.879 But the story behind it is that someone wrote into 54 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.520 the podcast after like we had done like two or 55 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.199 three episodes, and the question was, Hey, I'm enjoying the podcast, 56 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:43.960 but I don't know who the hell you guys are, 57 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.319 so tell me about yourself. And the question basically was like, 58 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.479 what games are you playing? What games do you what 59 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:52.919 games do you come back to often? What do you do? 60 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.879 How did you get into streaming or whatever whatever it 61 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.000 is you might be doing. Obviously, the writer was Chris 62 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.479 from Dayton, Ohio. I don't think he's written in again, 63 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:04.199 since I don't even know if he listens. I've called 64 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.039 him out multiple times in this show, but I haven't 65 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:06.840 gotten a response. 66 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:10.240 So Chris, Chris from Ohio, if you're listening, let us know. 67 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:14.599 This will be the episode the Oh my god, you're 68 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:15.240 talking about me? 69 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:16.400 You know? 70 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:18.960 You know what's his name in Red Dead? That guy 71 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:21.520 walking around looking for his mate? Has anyone seen my 72 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:25.240 friend Gavin? Has anyone seen Chris from day in Ohio? 73 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:28.319 You would put out a SOS out here. 74 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.120 Yeah, So the question is basically an easy one, define yourself. 75 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.520 Yeah, yeah, you know, I already have written out, you know, 76 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:38.840 I have the perfect answer. 77 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:41.719 That's a lie. 78 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.599 So a little bit about myself, Okay, In terms of 79 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:47.840 games that I really like to play, I like action 80 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:50.639 RPGs on a fundamental level. That's kind of what I 81 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.319 gravitate towards the most. But I think there are a 82 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:56.680 lot of really awesome games beyond that that I also 83 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:01.039 like to share those experiences with others about. So that 84 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:05.039 would be fighting games and shooters typically, but I love 85 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:11.960 adventure games, I love some like traditional RPGs. Sometimes I 86 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:16.759 even throw in puzzle games. You know, there's a really 87 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:19.279 good example. I can think of Battle Chef, which was 88 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.560 like an action puzzle game, which was. 89 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:23.519 A game that was Chef Forrigade. 90 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:28.399 Yes, phenomenal game, and it really just married the what 91 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:32.199 I love so much about indie games, which is experimenting 92 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:34.439 with things that you know, the Triple A's kind of 93 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:35.480 pick up on later on. 94 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:37.279 Yeah. 95 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:40.959 So, anyway, aside from that, my favorite game of all 96 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:46.560 time is Middle Gear Solid and yeah, yeah, it is 97 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:52.680 an absolutely mind blowingly like amazing series and I am 98 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:56.439 heartbroken at all the stuff that happened with Kojima productions. 99 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:59.480 Kojima himself and Konami and all that kind of goes 100 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.160 along with but even down to like when I first 101 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:05.199 experienced playing Middle Gear Solid for the first time, going 102 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.199 through that experience with my older brother, it changed me. 103 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.639 It transformed me into someone who just kind of thought 104 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:14.759 about video games as kind of this I don't know, 105 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.560 I don't want to say toy, but just like meant 106 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:21.319 to be. It's very video gamey feel to things. Everything 107 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:24.199 always felt like, Okay, now here's this boss battle, and 108 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:26.199 here's this event, and here's this thing. Like it was 109 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:28.319 like a very basic structure to a lot of the 110 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:30.720 games that came before that, and that game kind of 111 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:34.199 just twisted the idea of what games could and should 112 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:37.040 be in a lot of cases, and it just kind 113 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.319 of transformed the way I thought about games, but also 114 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:43.800 about how I can grow into making stuff like that. 115 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.800 There's like video games for a lot of people felt 116 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:51.120 like an extension of the Arcade, right, Like, yes, everything 117 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.639 they embodied for a really long time, even stuff like 118 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:57.319 Super Mario Brothers, even Super Mario World, all those kind 119 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.759 of games they were they felt like an extension of Arcade. 120 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.879 Coin up. And then there's for certain people they have 121 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:05.720 these games that feel like, oh, this is not an 122 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:09.759 extension of okay, this is an extension of cinema and TV, 123 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:12.199 and Metal Gear is one of those. I had the 124 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.399 exact same experience. That's the game that did it for 125 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:19.439 me as well. Yeah, yeah, I've got I've got two 126 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.839 questions for you. When was firstly context this one? When 127 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:24.319 was the last time you played Meta Solid? 128 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:30.519 Oh? Man, m I would say it's been like three years. 129 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:33.600 Okay, how how many hours do you think it takes 130 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.040 to beat Metal Gear Solid based on your memory? 131 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:37.160 Like the first one? 132 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:40.600 Yeah, the first one? How long do you remember playing 133 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:42.240 that game for till you finished it? 134 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:46.000 You know, that's such a great question. I've never tried 135 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.839 to speed run the question. The games so context there. 136 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:54.040 I've only ever played that game with just the idea 137 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.160 of like exploring, experiencing, experiencing. 138 00:06:57.639 --> 00:06:59.560 Put an hour number on it that you think it 139 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:00.279 would was. 140 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:02.720 I would probably say like six hours. 141 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:05.439 Yeah, you can finish that game in five hours. 142 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:06.240 It's wild. 143 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:08.079 I did it on a stream and I was like, 144 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:10.279 I'm going to settle in. I started streaming. I was like, 145 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.519 I'm gonna make a Metal Gets my first like marathon 146 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:15.560 stream where I played loads of it. I finished it 147 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.439 one saying and I was like, I forgot how short 148 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:20.800 this game was. People go on about how long the 149 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:22.399 cut scenes on and I was like, oh, this is 150 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.959 done one one one stream. 151 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:31.279 Secondly, is I have no excuse to play It's even 152 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:32.160 on God too. 153 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:35.920 That's why it Yeah, that's why. 154 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.120 I'm talking about it and obviously being friends with the term. 155 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.120 For so long, I've never played Metal Gets Solid and 156 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:45.279 it is the huge It's my biggest shame. And so 157 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:50.360 this year, in the year of not replaying stuff, is 158 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.759 this my year that I go through and finally play 159 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:53.920 every Metal Gets Solid. 160 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:59.160 Oh Lucy, don't promise me thinks you can. Don't make 161 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:00.160 promises you can't get. 162 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:04.800 I would love to see and hear everything about that. 163 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:09.759 I love introducing people to metal Gear because it's always 164 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:12.240 you hear about it for so long you're like, all right, 165 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:14.279 I want to know what that experience is is like 166 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.720 for people who haven't played, who have heard about it 167 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:17.879 for how long? 168 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.079 Has it been? Almost so long? 169 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.800 Like so okay, then this is my promise to you 170 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:26.639 that by the next time I'm on the podcast, I 171 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:29.519 do have a four day weekend this week, I will 172 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:31.759 finish five of them. I will play the first one. 173 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:35.440 The first one. Yeah, it's on good old games. If 174 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:37.440 you want to play it. You can plug in a PC. 175 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:40.240 You can plug in an Xbox controller, play secial controller. 176 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:44.200 It's a little finicky, but it works your first time through. 177 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:45.879 It might not be five hours. It'll probably be a 178 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.320 little longer. Yeah. Yeah, but if you want, if you 179 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:51.679 get annoyed with a certain situation, just tell me and 180 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:54.159 I can help you for it easily. The first game 181 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.039 is like you'll be like, oh, I see what this 182 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.639 is going for and I can see where it is. 183 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.320 The second game where when you play it, you're going 184 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.679 to be like, excuse me, what is happening that a bit? 185 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:08.240 That's that's the bit where you're gonna be like, you're 186 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:11.279 telling me this was written in two thousand. Why does it? 187 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:14.720 Why does every part of it make sense and is 188 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:19.039 true right now to our lives? Yeah? How does how 189 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:21.799 did they write? How did they write a script for 190 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:22.639 twenty twenty? 191 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:27.840 Like how Kajima wrote Death Stranding before? Yeah, twenty twenty. 192 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:30.759 Everything that happens in Metal Gifts only two is like 193 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.919 this is this isn't this is this is not cool? 194 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.120 How how like pressure it is, this is real. It's 195 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:37.679 like it's. 196 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:40.799 Real, and it's like it's about things like corrupt presidents 197 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:45.519 and memes and information, and it's about surveillance and it's 198 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:50.120 about like social media being used to like cancel people 199 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:53.279 and subvert society and it's like control them. 200 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:55.720 And I was like, hey, I functioning on its own. 201 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.039 Yeah, and it's just like excuse why excuse me? And 202 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.000 then the third one is just like incredible. 203 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:04.080 The third one is one of my favorite games of 204 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:05.679 all time. And I haven't played one or two, but 205 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:06.960 I've played all the other ones. 206 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.080 The fourth one, the fourth one will teach you how 207 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:10.840 to make the perfect sunny side up X. 208 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:13.279 I will never forget that. 209 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:17.960 And the fifth one is the best game I ever created. 210 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:20.000 You and me? 211 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.759 Are we are the same? 212 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.120 One? Mind? 213 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:27.600 How well? How do you feel about the rumor that 214 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:29.759 Bluepoint is doing a remake. 215 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:36.600 Of Ship Myself? Are you kidding me? All right? 216 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:40.440 So one of the I've context I also run a podcast. 217 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:42.519 I put a little bit of a high hiatus on 218 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:46.879 it because this month has already been really crazy. Uh 219 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:48.480 so we're going to pick it back up on March. 220 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:51.480 On one of those episodes, I gave a pitch about 221 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:53.519 what I would want the next meddal Gear Solid game 222 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:57.399 to be, and in that pitch, I said, there was 223 00:10:57.399 --> 00:10:58.039 a game. 224 00:10:57.879 --> 00:10:59.799 By the name of The Division, I know many of 225 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:00.600 you know about. 226 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:04.799 It that had an idea to incorporate an app with 227 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.799 it that would allow you to play with your friends 228 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.320 without having to play the game. And I thought to myself, 229 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:13.679 what if there was a way to incorporate that same 230 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.559 thing into a metal Gear Solid game. But to take 231 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:18.960 what they did with metal Gear Salid five, which was 232 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:22.639 you know, a little bit of peace Walker and then 233 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.759 like the new generation of stealth again, phenomenal stealth mechanics, 234 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:31.799 Like holy shit, if you could bring that same idea 235 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:37.799 of even making missions using your app or providing assistance 236 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.840 recon assistance for teammates, and it's a cooperative experience, so 237 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:43.519 everyone you pick up on a field, you can then 238 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:47.120 bring them into the game and use them. 239 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:48.480 In a four player cooperative thing. 240 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:49.879 I feel like they try to do that with metal 241 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:51.480 Gear Salad five, but they just ran out of time 242 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:52.440 or budget or whatever. 243 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:56.399 Am I imagining it? Or was there some thing they 244 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:59.360 were trying to do with Silent Hills where they were 245 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.440 trying to get phone connected and like there was your 246 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:03.559 phone would ring or something. 247 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.399 Yeah, So there was after after this is fairly recently 248 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:10.080 that it was revealed, so it wasn't integrated into There 249 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:12.120 was a I think it was like a patent or 250 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:14.200 something like that, but there was documents where you would 251 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:17.480 submit your certain information, like I think it was your 252 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:21.320 phone number on your Twitter, and it would effectively incorporate 253 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.919 that into the game. So you would get terrorized by 254 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:27.360 someone phoning you. And the problem was like it it 255 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.919 could have the potential to ruin lives, ye, like, and 256 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.799 that could be an issue. 257 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.559 Yeah, Like the time hit Man did that really terrible 258 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:42.519 Facebook integration where you could put a target on someone 259 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:46.840 Facebook friends with assassinate them over Facebook, and it was like, 260 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:47.799 oh my god. 261 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:52.919 Yeah, I mean I I My dream for one is 262 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:55.000 for Bluepoint to do that game. My dream is for 263 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:58.279 like Sony to purchase Bluepoint, then go to Konami and 264 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:01.200 be like, here's some money, we own all your ship 265 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.320 now and then and then like and then Bluepoint becomes 266 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.120 the new Konomy and they get they get Metal Gear, 267 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:12.240 they get Castlevania, they get a bunch of other franchise. 268 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.679 One of the enders just let them or even it's 269 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.480 like we we will we won't buy these franchises from you. 270 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.120 We will license all these franchises and that's it. And 271 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.360 I feel like Sony in a year where where they 272 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:26.399 where they have a brand new console, or in a 273 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:28.039 generation where they have a band new console and their 274 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.240 whole thing is exclusive that no one else can get. 275 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:33.240 I think they I think they have had to have 276 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:35.279 gone to Konami with a big bag and been like, 277 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.240 we'll take Metal Gear you. All you have to do 278 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:41.519 is take this money, give us sign these contracts, will 279 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:43.120 take care of the rest of it. They go to 280 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:45.720 Blue Point and tell them this is your job. 281 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:45.919 Now. 282 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.720 They bring in Kajima and go Kajima every two weeks, 283 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:51.200 pop in to a zoom call. Just you just let 284 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:53.279 them know, just tell us if we're doing anything stupid 285 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.519 there or like any changes you want, and the rest 286 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:59.480 of it is done and then executive produced by Hideo Kajima. 287 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.720 I'll get solid done again. 288 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:04.759 I am so here for that. 289 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:07.519 And then they make the Frankiegger game after that, which 290 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:12.559 is like, yes, yes, that's what we need. 291 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:13.080 I want. 292 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:15.240 I want to see the original Metal Gears as well, 293 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.919 make the transition into this new generation, so like I 294 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:20.639 would I know what happened, but I never actually played 295 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:25.120 Meddle Gear one and two but not not not seriously, 296 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:29.200 So if we could see that, oh my god. 297 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:33.200 Dude, me sorry everyone, it's. 298 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.399 Okay, Hey, it's not Yes, this is. 299 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:36.240 What we normally do. 300 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.759 Metal Gear one in the five engine would be incredible 301 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.919 because like the whole thing with that ending connecting directly 302 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.039 to metal Gear fives ending connecting directly to metal Gear 303 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:50.200 one is like how that would have been. You have 304 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:51.879 to believe that it would have been the next thing 305 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:56.279 they did, like the next thing and just didn't happen. 306 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:58.919 We got we got Death Rounding instead, which is a 307 00:14:58.960 --> 00:14:59.320 great game. 308 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:02.360 But still, you know, yeah, you know what I'm gonna 309 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:03.519 get off on a tange here. But you know what 310 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.559 they should have had in death training. They should have 311 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:07.559 had podcasts that you can listen to in game and 312 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:09.960 death training like you could and metal Gear Solid four. 313 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:13.399 Yes, ironically that would have been pretty cool. Metal Guest 314 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:17.200 Solid four having podcasts was amazing. There was a just 315 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:18.080 just like. 316 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.679 Sitting like a blown out in a blown out house 317 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:23.240 while enemies are crawling you just be there listening to 318 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:26.440 like comment whatever it was. 319 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.080 It was, it was Lucy, it was Ken was on it, 320 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:34.679 uh and uh on the Metal Guest Solid podcast. No, 321 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.639 there was a series of Kajima Productions podcasts with Ken, 322 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.360 Kenny Trey, and Mazumi who who we know? And I 323 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:43.960 think there were a couple of other developers from the 324 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.120 studio as well. And I think Mark McDonald from previously 325 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.039 eight to four, I don't know think I think he's 326 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:50.720 still at you four. I can't remember where he's at, 327 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.159 but like you know, uh, they one of them was 328 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:58.240 on it as well, and like it was always people 329 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:02.840 playing Monster Hunter and talking up out developing games. Ryan 330 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.879 Payton was on it as well, because Ryan Payton who 331 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:08.120 who now is that camouflage working on the Iron Man 332 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:10.399 game or whatever they're doing now. But he before he 333 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:13.600 was at Microsoft working at Halo, he was at Konami 334 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:18.039 Kajuma Productions. He's the one credited for changing Circle an 335 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:21.600 x on in Metal Gear Games to front cancel to 336 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.200 you know thing, because he was like, stop this. Everyone 337 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:26.559 in the West is confused by this change it and 338 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.159 we were, we were, But yeah, they should have had 339 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:31.840 podcasts in there. They should bring that back. 340 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.240 That'd be sick anyway. 341 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:37.039 Else you're like, yeah, we should probably move on, but 342 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:39.639 before I do that, I do want to know how 343 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:42.639 you got into streaming and what kind of other stuff 344 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:44.120 you do and how you got into it. 345 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:44.679 Yeah. 346 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:49.879 Sure, So I started streaming through a charity event with 347 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.080 one of my really good friends. You may have heard 348 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.879 of him, Andy Lunique. Yeah, so on Twitter with the 349 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:58.200 food and all that, and I actually had an opportunity 350 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.360 to do a little product with him recently for. 351 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:06.119 Andy's food tweets. Yeah, combined with Yusuf's tweets for me. 352 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:10.000 Soft of them just make incredible food and post about 353 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:10.640 you all the time. 354 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:11.480 Yeah. 355 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.039 I go on Twitter expecting to feel sad, but instead 356 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:15.359 I just come away feeling hungry. 357 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.799 Yeah, which then makes you sad, which kind of puts 358 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:19.960 you into the whole cycle. 359 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:21.200 Yeah. No, it happens. 360 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.079 I have the opportunity and fortunate of having his food 361 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:29.440 many times. So yeah, he knows what he's doing. 362 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.039 I call that like, I call that loop the diabetes 363 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:35.960 infinite where he just gets sad but you're trapped in 364 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:39.519 this like Marvel versus Capcom style infinite, Like I can't 365 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:40.039 get out. 366 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.519 Of this, well just because I'll put the controller down. 367 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:48.920 But it was through that event that I really Before then, 368 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:51.359 I had been making YouTube videos, but it was just 369 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:55.480 kind of there was no real super strategy around it. 370 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.440 It was just more like, Hey, here are the things 371 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.000 that I'm doing. I love talking about games and review 372 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.640 doing them and blah blah blah. And so at the time, 373 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:05.640 he wasn't working in games yet, but he had just 374 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:08.799 gotten a job at Sandbox Strategies. He was like, Yo, 375 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.400 I would love for you to come by and really 376 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:13.319 see you know what streaming is all about, because I've 377 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:14.720 been trying to tell you for a while, like you'd 378 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:17.640 be really great for streaming. And we did that event. 379 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:19.640 It was a twenty four hour event for Extra Life. 380 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:22.839 We raised a bunch of money and it was just 381 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:27.200 like this really beautiful community event that we were using 382 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:31.400 our love and nerdom for gaming to help people, helped 383 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:34.960 kids specifically, And it was kind of around that time 384 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:36.880 when I was just like, all right, I get it. 385 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.240 I want to do this more. And I just started. 386 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.799 I got my PS four, you know, I had my camera. 387 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.680 I just went live one day and it just kind 388 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.799 of spiraled into the situation where I started meeting people 389 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.720 within the industry but also you know, other streamers as well, 390 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:55.319 and I already had the connections I made through making 391 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.039 YouTube content and going to events and as press, but 392 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:03.279 as a small press obviously, and that was kind of 393 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:07.799 how everything started. And then from there on, Like at 394 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.039 this point, I don't even feel like I would want 395 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.519 to stop streaming at any point because it's become such 396 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:16.759 a beautiful community thing of sharing what I love with 397 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:19.319 other people and also having them share what they love 398 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.519 with me, and being ingrained in that whole thing. 399 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:23.880 It's just been really awesome. 400 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:27.920 So that's kind of the barebones version of how I 401 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:32.240