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<v Speaker 1>It's Brigan Charles Marino, former Homeland Security Department advisor and

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of Sentinel Security Solutions, So thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of praise here for law enforcement that stopped

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<v Speaker 1>this from getting too far underway, a very ambitious alleged

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<v Speaker 1>plot in this case. Your thoughts on how they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to disrupt something for an individual that her people

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<v Speaker 1>closest to, her friends and roommates talked about how disturbed

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<v Speaker 1>she seemed as a person.

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<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts, Yeah, Molly. Historically, law enforcement pays attention to

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<v Speaker 2>radicalization that occurs online, as was the case reported here,

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<v Speaker 2>and also foreign travel to special interest locations originating from

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. Unfortunately, we've got the perfect storm now

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<v Speaker 2>here in the United States when it comes to this issue,

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<v Speaker 2>in large part because of the policies of the Biden administration,

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<v Speaker 2>who now allowed all of these threats from around the

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<v Speaker 2>world to come into the United States. So the point

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<v Speaker 2>being that where you have radicalization occurring online, the travel

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<v Speaker 2>piece is no longer required because it's now present within

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<v Speaker 2>our own borders. We see it through communities that are

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to segregate themselves, primarily in sanctuary states and cities

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<v Speaker 2>with no desires to ever assimilate or adapt our culture

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<v Speaker 2>or values here in the United States, and in many

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<v Speaker 2>cases in outright disdain for everything that the United States represents.

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<v Speaker 2>We see a separate code of laws. We know that

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<v Speaker 2>there's communities here that are practicing Sharia law, for example.

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<v Speaker 2>And radicalization occurs when you see it out on the streets,

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<v Speaker 2>marching up and down Fifth Avenue, voicing support to tourist organizations,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's ISIS, al Qaeda, has Blahamas. The list goes on. Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in this particular case, Jessica Bowie was an American

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<v Speaker 1>citizen growing up in New York and talk to about

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<v Speaker 1>being making big changes in her life just fromin the

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<v Speaker 1>last five years. And as you mentioned the radicalization and

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI alleging that this occurred via the computer and online.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take a quick listen to this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the FBI talking about just how significant Bowie's plot was,

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<v Speaker 1>how broad it was. Take a listen.

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<v Speaker 3>Miss Bowie didn't just want to kill lawmakers. She wanted

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<v Speaker 3>a complete disruption of our government. And after that she

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<v Speaker 3>planned to flee the country and one day come back

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<v Speaker 3>to quote do more. Such as New Year's Eve in

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<v Speaker 3>Times Square, even stating she would come back to attack

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<v Speaker 3>the White House and the President, but only after she

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<v Speaker 3>bombed the state capital.

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<v Speaker 1>Really broad goals here, disturbing goals here alleged by the FBI,

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<v Speaker 1>and that she was in touch with confidential informants, isis handlers,

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<v Speaker 1>that she had literally gone to a home depot, that

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<v Speaker 1>she had bought bombing supplies, and actually taken steps towards

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<v Speaker 1>some of these goals according to law enforcement, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI, so do you think that this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that had not been disrupted, could have actually come to pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. The concern is when something goes into the operational phase,

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<v Speaker 2>the radicalization on the front end usually serves as the motivation,

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<v Speaker 2>the adherence to these radical ideologies, whatever they may attach to.

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<v Speaker 2>And then going into the operational phase where you start

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<v Speaker 2>to reach out, you start to seek funding, you start

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<v Speaker 2>to seek materials, and the FBI, as we can see here,

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<v Speaker 2>is very good at paying attention to this and infiltrating

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<v Speaker 2>themselves into these plans early in the process, while continuing

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<v Speaker 2>to let these individuals believe that they are furthering their

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<v Speaker 2>attempts to do damage to either the political institutions, critical infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 2>the targets may vary, but the point being, we have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of concerns here in the country right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and the policies of the Biden administration put law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>and intelligence agencies at a significant disadvantage. It's always been

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<v Speaker 2>looking for a needle in the haystack, and thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>the Biden administration, the haystack's never been as large as

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<v Speaker 2>it is today.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some new reporting from The New York Post talking

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<v Speaker 1>to those who I mentioned who were close to her

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<v Speaker 1>roommates that had seen disturbing behavior and it actually tried

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<v Speaker 1>to flag law enforcement on that issue. Here's a quote

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<v Speaker 1>from one of the roommates. She says, I was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on them in the living room area. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with my boyfriend, and she walks past me

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<v Speaker 1>and says, I'll bomb this whole place down. Terrified by

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<v Speaker 1>the threat, she said, she immediately called the city police

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<v Speaker 1>and claims she was told that the issue was a

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<v Speaker 1>he said she said, and that they were unable to

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<v Speaker 1>take action in this particular case. So roommates, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Post, had tried to draw in law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement and kind of explain that this individual was making

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<v Speaker 1>threats and acting strangely.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I was part of the team at

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Homeland Security that expanded to see something

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<v Speaker 2>say something programmed, And what it was is it's to

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<v Speaker 2>allow American citizens to report things like this and for

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement to make the decision. Now, you hope every

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<v Speaker 2>time law enforcement is going to make the right call

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<v Speaker 2>on this, as opposed to saying it's a he said,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, Listen to the threats, communicate those threats to

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<v Speaker 2>federal authorities if warranted, investigation further at the state and

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<v Speaker 2>local level, whatever it may be. But in this day

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<v Speaker 2>and age, these types of threats cannot go not acted upon.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to be looked at, they need to be explored,

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<v Speaker 2>and they need to see what the viability is of

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<v Speaker 2>these threats. Continuing on, so the program is still very important.

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<v Speaker 2>The American people need to be active in their own

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<v Speaker 2>safety and security each and every day, and law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be on the right side of that. And

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<v Speaker 2>stay and locals is where it all starts, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Marino, thank you very much. We greatly appreciate your

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<v Speaker 1>insights in joining us on this Saturday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Thanks Molly.

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