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<v Speaker 1>Fifty five krc DE Talk station, Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>So glad to be here and always glad to welcome

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<v Speaker 1>in my my next guest, uh local attorney and legal

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<v Speaker 1>analyst and James Bogan.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to have you back on the show. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you today?

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<v Speaker 3>Good? Thanks for having me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, yea.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I get to the subject that we had at hand,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a couple of questions for you and just

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of things that occurred to me over the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of hours.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was what was it? It was?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a month, almost two months ago, you

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<v Speaker 1>and I were talking about the the pending release of

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<v Speaker 1>the Epstein files. And remember we we we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>made plans, you know, when those come out, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna look at it, We're gonna dissect it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do a segment on the radio and and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that and talk about what's in it, what's

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<v Speaker 1>not what's not in it? Uh, how those you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to break those things down. And then of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the release was delayed that it never happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and here we are, and this feels like it was

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of months ago, and I've not seen hide

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<v Speaker 1>nor hair of the Epstein files. Have you seen any

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<v Speaker 1>unication at all that those things will ever see the

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<v Speaker 1>light of day.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, here's the thing. They got a truckload of files

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<v Speaker 3>that next day when Pam Bondi gave that deadline, And

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<v Speaker 3>in my experience, when you have that many files, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be very hard pressed to see how they could have

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<v Speaker 3>gone through them thoroughly and made the appropriate redactions like

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<v Speaker 3>redacting out victims' names and so on, which is very

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<v Speaker 3>routine for any law enforcement to do before releasing documents

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<v Speaker 3>to the public. Unless they were doing at twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>to seven around the clock, and that's the only thing

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<v Speaker 3>they're working on, I really don't think they would have

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<v Speaker 3>had it done by now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was under the impression that one thing, that

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<v Speaker 1>some of that had already taken place, though her being

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<v Speaker 1>I remember her being on TV with Jesse Waters talking about, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, those files are coming out tomorrow and we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing the final reactions and making sure that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>compromise any information or give away people's names. It shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be given away. I thought they had already done all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so, And the thing is Pam BONDI.

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<v Speaker 3>She's salivating to release this stuff. You know, Trump is too.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm thinking. And I don't think they gain

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<v Speaker 3>anything by holding stuff back if that stuff's been done,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think they're absolutely chomping at the bit to

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<v Speaker 3>release this stuff. That's just my thought.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, then our plans are still in place,

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<v Speaker 1>and when those things come out, we'll we'll we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>you on and we'll break it down and we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>what's what on the Epstein file. So that so keep that,

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<v Speaker 1>keep that in your calendar, all right, I will do Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. The other thing is some information started coming

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<v Speaker 1>out yesterday about this a fifteen year old that's accused

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<v Speaker 1>of killing this guy on Short Vine a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days ago, and the video came out, yes the video

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<v Speaker 1>was released yesterday of how this happened. And you see

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<v Speaker 1>this guy standing in front of that liquor store on

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<v Speaker 1>Short Vine. He's got his nose in his cell phone,

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<v Speaker 1>he's minding his own business. This kid walks up to him,

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<v Speaker 1>pulls out a gun and sticks it in his midsection.

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<v Speaker 1>And information started coming out late yesterday that this guy

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<v Speaker 1>has been in the juvenile system before various judges. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess in Hamilton County Juvenile court with twenty one felonies,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe it's just me, but twenty one when you're

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<v Speaker 1>at the age of fifteen sounds like a lot. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet this kid was still it seems to me like

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<v Speaker 1>this is a kid who should not have been on

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<v Speaker 1>the street, should not have had any access to a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this and I mean in a general sense, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a kid that has is fifteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>has that many felonies, that much content with court, how

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<v Speaker 1>is this kid able to be out on the street.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good question. It depends on what those twenty

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<v Speaker 3>one felonies were. And you see when they count prior felonies,

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<v Speaker 3>they what they do is they take the total. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't take look back and say, hey, this could be

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<v Speaker 3>from like two or three cases.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, apparently one of them was illegal dischargeable weapon. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there was. There was a couple of them. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that involved possession of a gun.

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<v Speaker 3>And and so that dischargeable weapon is a felony that

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<v Speaker 3>in adult court typically carries prison time and it's a

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<v Speaker 3>strict liability offense, which means you can't argue self defense

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<v Speaker 3>with that one, So yeah, I definitely have questions, But

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<v Speaker 3>the bigger thing is where the hell are his kids parents?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>And are we just unequipped in the juvenile system to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with this in any in any meaningful way.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's really a case by case and i'd

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<v Speaker 3>say because I've had juvenile clients where you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>definitely did not question the outcome. But you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, every case is different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, well, James, stay right there. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about some of the Title nine stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>that is happening, and it is it is amazing to

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<v Speaker 1>me that some of these different universities and these different

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<v Speaker 1>entities think that they can stand their ground against the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government on this. And we'll get your thoughts on that,

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<v Speaker 1>but we got to get to a quick break here,

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<v Speaker 1>So James Bogan stand by and we'll continue on with

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<v Speaker 1>him on the other side. On fifty five KRC the

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<v Speaker 2>Get ready for spring and have your roof gut.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty five KRC DE talk station. Dan Carroll for Ryan Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>We are talking with local attorney James Bogan and James.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm looking at some of the headlines here,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've got the University of Pennsylvania. Trump is suspending

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seventy five million dollars in federal funding

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<v Speaker 1>because they continue to allow male athletes to compete in

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<v Speaker 1>women's sports. The Secretary of Education is telling these these

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<v Speaker 1>different universities the NCAA that their policies need to get

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<v Speaker 1>in line with what the Trump administration is saying about this.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got main schools who are saying they are not

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<v Speaker 1>going to not going to change their transgender policies as

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<v Speaker 1>it relates to sports. What kind of ground do these

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<v Speaker 1>places have to stand on in order to stand in

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<v Speaker 1>defiance of what's coming out of the White House.

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<v Speaker 3>They have absolutely zero crown on you just look at

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<v Speaker 3>the text the Title nine, which this executive order is

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<v Speaker 3>based on. No one shall be excluded from participation in

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<v Speaker 3>sports or deny the benefit of sports school sports based

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<v Speaker 3>on gender. And when you allow biological males to compete

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<v Speaker 3>in girls' sports, you're taking away these opportunities to participate

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<v Speaker 3>and have gained the benefits from these sports. Because when

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<v Speaker 3>you have biological males, even if they take hormones, they're

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<v Speaker 3>still during puberty, they get bigger muscles, bigger frame, bigger

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<v Speaker 3>lung capacity, stronger ligament, stronger tendons, more muscle density, and

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<v Speaker 3>those advantages do not get mitigated by hormone treatment. And

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<v Speaker 3>feelings certainly don't mitigate these physical advantages, and you'll see

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<v Speaker 3>them displacing girls. I mean, we talked about this. Leah Thomas,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, when as Will Thomas was the number four

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and sixty two among college men in the two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred yard freestyle, went from that to number one among

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<v Speaker 3>college women. Now men's and women's times performances is about

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<v Speaker 3>a ten to twelve percent different. Thomas's time only dropped

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<v Speaker 3>by two point sixty six percent or regressed by two

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<v Speaker 3>point six six percent from the hormones and splockers and

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<v Speaker 3>so on. It's and when women girls, when they take steroids,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't become as good as men. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>saw that we talked about this. There's that Yale swimmer

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<v Speaker 3>who she was one of the top women in the

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<v Speaker 3>country actually compete against Leah Thomas. The next year swam

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<v Speaker 3>for Yale as a guy and wasn't even competitive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's the way it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love the way you address that argument, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about nine and Title nine really looks after

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<v Speaker 1>the rights of women. And we've gone so far down

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<v Speaker 1>the road on this argument that it always starts with

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<v Speaker 1>the rights of those who, you know, these transgender individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>that somehow their rights are being infringe and what gets

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<v Speaker 1>lost in that argument are the rights of those women

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<v Speaker 1>to compete on a fair and level playing field. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>these women who have sacrificed mightily, who have given up

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of things, and then you know, when when

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for them, you know, for the rubber to

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<v Speaker 1>hit the road, well, then they have to face another

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<v Speaker 1>unfair challenge in the form of some dude that's been

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<v Speaker 1>through puberty and now wants to they have long hair

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<v Speaker 1>and wear dresses and call himself a woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, if I would have compete as a woman,

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<v Speaker 3>I would have been a superstar when.

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<v Speaker 1>My son would have been the same way, Would he

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<v Speaker 1>had better times than Katie Decky for God's sake?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And you know what everyone though, the proponents of

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<v Speaker 3>this crap, they just focus on feelings, feelings, feelings. And

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<v Speaker 3>these are the same people who said trust the science

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<v Speaker 3>during COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, trust the science, that the science at least when

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<v Speaker 1>it as long as it fits their narrative. So it was, so,

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<v Speaker 1>where do you see this going? I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration so far is able to withhold funds,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've had so many federal judges across the country

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<v Speaker 2>Of the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we going to be subject to more federal rulings

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<v Speaker 1>and federal court judges trying to direct the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting question.

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<v Speaker 3>We haven't seen anything brought yet, but unfortunately, with these

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<v Speaker 3>activist judges out there, I wouldn't be surprised. But this way,

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<v Speaker 3>the recent New York Times poll showed that seventy nine

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<v Speaker 3>percent of people are opposed to this crap. And you

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<v Speaker 3>look at this eventually reaches the Supreme Court. I think

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<v Speaker 3>once this reaches the Supreme Court, which is more matter

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<v Speaker 3>when than if there are some penny cases, I think

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<v Speaker 3>the Court's going to end up ruling on the right

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, James, before we let you go, you brought to

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<v Speaker 1>my attention yesterday a situation that's developing within the Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department, and it has to do with a retired

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<v Speaker 1>retiring from the force. And there seems to be some

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know if it's a misunderstanding or some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of complication as to this officer getting a replacement badge.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the way.

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<v Speaker 1>The argument was laid out for me, this just sounds

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<v Speaker 1>to the left that this thing is getting to already.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, retired police officer Rachel Baldwin, I've been in chatting

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<v Speaker 3>with her about this too. She retired in good standing.

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<v Speaker 3>She lost her retirement badge. Many retired officers request the

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<v Speaker 3>second retirement badge. One goes in their wallet, one goes

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<v Speaker 3>on display. It's not nefarious to lose a retirement badge.

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<v Speaker 3>It says retirement and big letters across the top. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not like anyone can use it. And people I've talked

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<v Speaker 3>to with CPD say it's not unpreceded for a retired

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<v Speaker 3>officer to get a replacement retirement badge either. Now, Baldwin,

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<v Speaker 3>she lost her badge. She went to police supply to

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<v Speaker 3>inquire about the process, you know, to get this replacement

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<v Speaker 3>badge that she earned through thirty years of service. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's something they pay out a pocket for too. And

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<v Speaker 3>she was told she had to make a report and

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<v Speaker 3>write a letter and it had to go to the chief,

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<v Speaker 3>who's the one person who proves and disapproves these for

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<v Speaker 3>some strange reason now and the chief said no and

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<v Speaker 3>doubled down on it when FOP President Ken Kober intervened,

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<v Speaker 3>and she said, one retirement badge to each officer period.

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<v Speaker 3>To hell with bad things happening, like you're getting stolen.

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<v Speaker 3>And the thing is, she retired in good standing, filed

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<v Speaker 3>the appropriate report when she lost her badge and jumped

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<v Speaker 3>her all the hoops, and this is what she gets.

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<v Speaker 3>And Cober he confirmed me the under CPD policy, this

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<v Speaker 3>is the chief's prerogative. And here's the funny part. Another

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<v Speaker 3>retired CPD officer, I'm not going to bring his name

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<v Speaker 3>into this, he started posting about this on Facebook to

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<v Speaker 3>support Baldwin.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what.

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<v Speaker 3>CPD's public information officer decides to call him and advise

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<v Speaker 3>him to stop discussing on social media. And this officer,

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<v Speaker 3>he's the kind of guy who doesn't take kindly to bullying.

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<v Speaker 3>But memo to CPD ad minutes traders, there's a little

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<v Speaker 3>thing called the First Amendment and any first year laws

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<v Speaker 3>and can tell you government agencies are bound by it. Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>And what's funny is apparently when this part blew up,

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<v Speaker 3>my understanding is this public relations officer may have claimed

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<v Speaker 3>that she called this retired officer who was speaking up

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<v Speaker 3>not to try to get them to stop posting that online,

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<v Speaker 3>but to try to help. I don't obviously I'd have

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<v Speaker 3>more questions about that conversation. But here's the thing. If

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<v Speaker 3>you want to be an effective leader, you need to

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<v Speaker 3>make your officers feel appreciated. You need to make your

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<v Speaker 3>retirees feel appreciated, instead of having your current officers feel

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<v Speaker 3>that you see them as disposable and that when they

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<v Speaker 3>retire they'll be thrown out like yesterday's garbage. Not announce

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<v Speaker 3>of respect. I mean, is that the kind of leadership

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<v Speaker 3>message you want to send?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It just seems to me like the whole thing is

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<v Speaker 1>really an unforced there it's a it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>retirement padge, and and the and the pay for it

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<v Speaker 1>out of your own pocket, do the paperwork, whatever procedures there,

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<v Speaker 1>and just let let it go and move on.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just hope this thing gets resolved and gets resolved

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<v Speaker 1>quickly before it becomes some sort of an issue. But

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<v Speaker 1>with that, James, we will let you go. Always appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the time as always, and we will talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>again before too long.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much, Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>Always a privilege, all right, James Bogan on fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty five KRC dot com. This is Joe Cordell