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<v Speaker 1>Why you're in Canada. Are you a Canadian? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what I understand?

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<v Speaker 2>I am in Toronto.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, that would make you a Canadian, even though

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<v Speaker 1>people in Quebec would deny that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I remember learning in I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>Grade five about the nineteen ninety five referendum when Quebec

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to separate from Canada, and I got to say,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a decent amount of animosity at times between people,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the Western provinces, towards those in Quebec. But

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<v Speaker 2>we love our friends in Montreal and elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you don't. The fact is that the referendum law

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<v Speaker 1>referendum loss by about one percent of the vote. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that that is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, for your listeners, there was someone by the name

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<v Speaker 2>of Jean Cherie who was the premier of Quebec and

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<v Speaker 2>he ran for the leadership of the Conservative Party. And

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<v Speaker 2>even though this happened in nineteen ninety five, it remains

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<v Speaker 2>a very discussed issue in Canadian politics. That was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the main kind of central points throughout his campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Good thing, nobody check that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So what.

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<v Speaker 1>Was interesting about that referendum is that the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>Canada was actually surprised that it was that close. The

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<v Speaker 1>rest of Canada was amazed that it was that close.

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<v Speaker 1>They did not realize there was that level of animosity.

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<v Speaker 1>What nobody realized is what would have happened if that

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<v Speaker 1>had actually gone through. Do you know what would have happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, tell me what you were going to say, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have some thoughts afterwards.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why my headphones are so unbalanced. Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>Hold up a second. I've like I hear you at

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<v Speaker 1>a ten and I hear myself at a two, and

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<v Speaker 1>some nights it actually works, right, But this is not

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<v Speaker 1>one of those nights. But that's sor right. It's symbolic

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<v Speaker 1>of everything that's happened tonight. Hold on a second, let

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<v Speaker 1>me put in. Let's try the other input, because I

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<v Speaker 1>got four hours to kill here. Hold on, test, test, test.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's such. It's a great radio station and

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<v Speaker 1>it has great facilities. But man, the munchkins come in

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<v Speaker 1>and eat these earphones. Give me one more second. Normally,

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<v Speaker 1>you know these things will be tested by text. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's all right, all right now. What would

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<v Speaker 1>have happened is the rest of the country would have

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<v Speaker 1>realized that Quebec is bankrupt. It is the poorest of

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<v Speaker 1>all the provinces, and the amount of subsidies from the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the government that supported are profound. The minute

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<v Speaker 1>it's separated from the rest of the country because of

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<v Speaker 1>language issues, the people of Quebec would find out just

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<v Speaker 1>how poor they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Which just for your listeners, because right now obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, wait, stop, stop, you keep talking like it's meet

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<v Speaker 1>the press. I don't have any listeners. I have a listener.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener singular singular. We refer to them in the singular.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not on a stage with a PA system at

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<v Speaker 1>high school these I have a listener alone in the car,

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<v Speaker 1>praying that the kids in the back don't wake up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well in that case, for your listener. Thing happening

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<v Speaker 2>right now in Alberta, that is, which is Canada's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of most well known western province that's not getting a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of discussion in the United States, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>they are going forward with something very similar to what

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<v Speaker 2>Quebec tried to do in nineteen ninety five with the referendum.

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<v Speaker 2>But the difference here is obviously Alberta's oil sands contributes

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<v Speaker 2>greatly to the Canadian economy, and so let's basically happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Happening is the Premiere of Alberta, which is like the

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<v Speaker 2>Canadian equivalent of a governor, is putting forth a vote

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<v Speaker 2>that Albertans will have on whether or not there should

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<v Speaker 2>be a referendum, which is kind of confusing because it's

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<v Speaker 2>basically a referendum on whether or not there should be

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<v Speaker 2>a referendum. But the underlying kind of issue here is

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<v Speaker 2>that there are a number of people in the province

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<v Speaker 2>of Alberta who want to separate from the rest of Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>It's getting a lot of discussion, and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>part that's getting lost in all of this is you

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<v Speaker 2>can't just dismiss it as easily as people dismiss the

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<v Speaker 2>Quebec referendum, because in Quebec, to your point, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>contribute economically as much to the rest of the country

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<v Speaker 2>as a province like Alberta. Dos I think it's quite

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous when you have that level of animosity from Alberta

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<v Speaker 2>Albertans towards the rest of the country, and that's certainly

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<v Speaker 2>what we're seeing now.

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<v Speaker 1>All I know about Western Canada is Jan Arden.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a great Canadian.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a great Canadian and easily your most talented Canadian.

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<v Speaker 1>And I heard her give a speech at Canadian Music

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<v Speaker 1>Week a couple of years ago, and it blew me away.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Todio, my radio friends, I said, you must

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<v Speaker 1>hire her to do a talk show. You must hire

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<v Speaker 1>her now to do a talk show, because she's funny

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<v Speaker 1>as hell. And then the only reason I mentioned this

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<v Speaker 1>is because there's a TV show, having nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with me that just dropped this week on Amazon Prime

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<v Speaker 1>called Sterling Point, and Sterling Point is about cottage country

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<v Speaker 1>in Canada. Rich cottage country teens, Rich cottage country teens

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the prime of their adolescence, rich teens. And at

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<v Speaker 1>one point, one of them is going through a box

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff and there's a cassette labeled Jan Arden and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, I am the only person in the

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<v Speaker 1>lower fourty who knows who the hell Jan Rden is.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I said, well, wait a minute. They never

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<v Speaker 1>took my advice and gave her a full time radio show.

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<v Speaker 1>She is so funny, and bonus track, she's a lesbian.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a number of underappreciated Canadians that I always

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<v Speaker 2>think I wish more Americans knew who they were She's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly up there as one of them. You know. The

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<v Speaker 2>other thing, I was watching dragons Den Canada the other day,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a very random thought, but as I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching the show, I was thinking, we have it's similar

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<v Speaker 2>to what you guys have as Shark Tank on ABC.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was thinking, as I was watching the show,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's so many great Canadian companies, great inventions.

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<v Speaker 2>The dragons that are on you know, this panel are

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<v Speaker 2>great people. Obviously they have lots of money they're investing

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<v Speaker 2>in all these businesses. I thought, you know, sometimes the

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<v Speaker 2>Canadian dragons Den is almost more interesting than the American

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<v Speaker 2>Shark Tank, and it kind of goes back to that idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wish there was in some cases greater you know,

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of what goes on in Canada, because it's not

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<v Speaker 2>all bad, despite what some Americans might be led to both.

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<v Speaker 1>Dragon's Den was the precursor to Shark Tank. It was

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<v Speaker 1>on first for a couple of years with Kevin O'Leary.

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<v Speaker 1>He was on there, as was Robert Herzerberch that no

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<v Speaker 1>one can pronounce. But even more interesting, have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen the Australian version of Shark Tank?

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<v Speaker 2>I have? There was this one kit I was watching

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<v Speaker 2>on it. He ran, I think it was either like

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<v Speaker 2>a cookie or a cupcake business or something, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was literally like my age. And he comes out and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, I have six hundred thousand dollars in sales

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<v Speaker 2>in the past year. And he got this like insane

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<v Speaker 2>offer of like I think it was five hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>They were gonna want ten percent of his company, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said, no, I'm not going to take your deal

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<v Speaker 2>because the valuation of his company was just that high

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<v Speaker 2>and that good. And I thought, you know, imagine being

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<v Speaker 2>a seventeen year old being able to reject a deal

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<v Speaker 2>that has a five million dollar valuation to it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I think they have a lot of great

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<v Speaker 2>talent too. And also the the UK version of Dragon's

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<v Speaker 2>Den they have Peter Jones, mister Global as he's known,

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<v Speaker 2>who went on the American version too recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, all right, now you and I are talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Wyatt Sharp, who is a rising senior in Canadian high

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<v Speaker 1>school land. He has a terrific podcast on YouTube called.

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<v Speaker 2>What's it called What's called The Sharp Exchange Shark with

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<v Speaker 2>a knee of course.

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<v Speaker 1>The Shark Sharp Exchange, Sharp with a knee, and you

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<v Speaker 1>give us updates on the news. Now, you broke a

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<v Speaker 1>story on your YouTube channel and on this show a

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<v Speaker 1>week ago about that wacky sheriff involved with the Savannah

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<v Speaker 1>Guthrie mom situation. Tell us what it was that was

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<v Speaker 1>revealed on that show and what you've learned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So for your listeners who don't know what I said,

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<v Speaker 2>for your sorry for your listener who doesn't know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna keep doing it. You're gonna have to keep correcting me.

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<v Speaker 2>So not this Saturday that just passed, but the one

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<v Speaker 2>before that that marked six months since Nancy Guthrie, who

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<v Speaker 2>is the mom of today's showing her Savannah Guthrie, was

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<v Speaker 2>abducted from her home in Tucson, Arizona. And so as

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<v Speaker 2>that day was approaching, I thought, you know, I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen the sheriff who's the lead investigator in this case

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of interviews. And I thought, that's, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty puzzling. If you will. He's the lead investigator, people

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of questions. And I slowly started to

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<v Speaker 2>realize that the reason he's not doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>interviews is because he's turning everybody down, not because there's not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, an appetite for the interviews. So I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me reach out to him. Maybe I can use

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I'm seventeen to my advantage. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to help my generation understand what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with this case. So I reached out to him. He

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<v Speaker 2>agreed to do the interview, and like all of my interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd put hours worth of prep into the conversation, and

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to develop questions that I knew could help

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<v Speaker 2>advanced forward kind of the state of the case. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I asked him about his relationship with the FBI Director,

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<v Speaker 2>Cash Btel, which was the most interesting part. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it might have been after we spoke last. He had

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<v Speaker 2>said in the interview with me that Cash Patel, the

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<v Speaker 2>director of the FBI, was misinformed. He said he was

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<v Speaker 2>hurting the case with his involvement. And then Cash Ptel,

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<v Speaker 2>just a few days after my interview, went on Fox

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<v Speaker 2>News and responded directly to my conversation with the sheriff,

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<v Speaker 2>And so, to a certain extent, I was thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>how is it that the director of the FBI and

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<v Speaker 2>the lead investigator in this case are going at one

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<v Speaker 2>another and focusing on the politics of this situation instead

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<v Speaker 2>of looking for poor Nancy Guthrie, whos been gone now

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<v Speaker 2>for six months, and so that was the most interesting

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<v Speaker 2>part to me. You know, some of the other parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the interview revealed kind of more information with respect

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<v Speaker 2>to DNA and how they're using that to find out potentially,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the family members of who the suspect is

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<v Speaker 2>and using the family members to then get to that

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<v Speaker 2>main suspect. So there was really, you know, a number

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<v Speaker 2>of interesting parts of that interview, and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he did that interview, I have to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I said this last time to you, giving me thirty minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, even if he wasn't expecting it, the

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<v Speaker 2>answers he gave certainly did move things along to an extent.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, congratulations, But what did he say?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think so on the genealogy piece, that

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<v Speaker 2>was the one that really moved forward our understanding of

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<v Speaker 2>where this case is at right now, because he said

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<v Speaker 2>that they're using something called familial genial and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>kind of, you know, unpack what that means for your listener,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is it's when you have different potential suspects

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<v Speaker 2>and you're looking at the family members of those suspects

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<v Speaker 2>to then root back to who the potential suspect could be.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was just really interesting and actually very good

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<v Speaker 2>news that he revealed that they are using familial genealogy

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<v Speaker 2>suspect could be. Because it's been six months, we have

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<v Speaker 2>not heard a lot on where the investigation is at,

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<v Speaker 2>in part because he has not done very many interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that was the first time in a while

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<v Speaker 2>that he had came out and said something that actually

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<v Speaker 2>did move things along, because now we know that they

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<v Speaker 2>are still working behind the scenes and uncovering different techniques

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<v Speaker 2>identity of the suspect. Now, another thing that I think

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<v Speaker 2>is important to mention is people tend to think that

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<v Speaker 2>the six month mark cases start to go cold. He

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<v Speaker 2>made very clear that even though they are getting fewer

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<v Speaker 2>and fewer leads, the Pima County Sheriff's Department is still

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<v Speaker 2>receiving leads and leads of high quality as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>he said, for example, something that struck with me was

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<v Speaker 2>he said he had a conversation with someone in Ireland

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<v Speaker 2>about a tip and that was kind of used by

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<v Speaker 2>him to illustrate the variety to illustrates.

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<v Speaker 1>That he is crap. Whytt it illustrates that he is crap?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Stand by, stand by. Walter Sterling The Other

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<v Speaker 1>side of Midnight from the Red Apple Audio Network.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the other side of mid Island with Walter Sterling

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<v Speaker 3>in American Radio Hi, I'm retired Detective Vic Ferrari and

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<v Speaker 3>on tonight's episode of Confessions of a Retired Detective. Firearm

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<v Speaker 3>safety Isn't always what it seems in the New York

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<v Speaker 3>City Police Academy. Coming up in moments with Walter Sterlington

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<v Speaker 3>on the other side of Midnight Mayhem in Tacoma. Details

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<v Speaker 3>later the veeople of Walmart Walter Sterling at the other

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<v Speaker 3>side of Midnight. Red Apple Audio Network Florida Stories. It's

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<v Speaker 3>the wildest, weirdest, stupidest, grossest, funniest, sexiest stories from Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm James Parker Florida Stories. He's coming up on the

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<v Speaker 3>Red Apple Audio Networks.

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<v Speaker 1>Nights fits Walter Sterling.

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<v Speaker 3>The other side of Midnight.

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<v Speaker 1>There's Wyatt Sharp, our Canadian friend, brilliant young man who

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<v Speaker 1>is an excellent journalist and a dogged journalist who gets

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<v Speaker 1>his sheriff. He was just summing up what he learned

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<v Speaker 1>from the show. In the Savannah Guthrie mother case. The

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff wasn't talking to people until Wyatt Sharp tracked him

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<v Speaker 1>down last week, revealed it on his YouTube channel, and

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<v Speaker 1>then next revealed it on our show last Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 1>Then all these very slow, slow witted, lame other sources

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<v Speaker 1>of information got on it, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>they felt like it. But we had it on one

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<v Speaker 1>week ago today. Whyatt, please sum up what you learned

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<v Speaker 1>from the sheriff last week, but don't waste my time

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<v Speaker 1>with it. Oh you know, he's got a viable source

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<v Speaker 1>in Ireland, don't be ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I thought that was pretty telling that

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<v Speaker 2>if he's talking to someone in Ireland. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I could talk to someone in Ireland too, domestic.

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<v Speaker 1>I could talk to someone in Ireland too. I just

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, hey, can I buy you a beer?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So, anyways, so the sheriff, I think one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what he said the moment and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of expand from that. But I also think the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that to your point he's after my interview, started doing

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<v Speaker 2>interviews with just about anybody who would talk with him,

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<v Speaker 2>which to me, I thought was a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>damage control on his part, because he said some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in the interview that then he probably thought to himself,

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<v Speaker 2>oh goodness, I need to clear some of that stuff up,

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<v Speaker 2>and to that some of the stuff that he said

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<v Speaker 2>was going back to his relationship with the FBI director

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<v Speaker 2>Cash Patel. It's probably not a good look for someone

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<v Speaker 2>like Chris Nanos, who, frankly not most people in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States know who he is. They know him by

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he's the sheriff in the Nancy Guthrie case.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know his name though. So if the headline

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, Nancy Guthrie sheriff is blasting the FBI director,

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm Cash Pattel, I'm not going to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>too eager to be friends then with the sheriff, And

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<v Speaker 2>I think he probably thought to himself, I, as the

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<v Speaker 2>sheriff and the FBI need to continue to have some

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<v Speaker 2>be solved. And so that's a thin where the damage

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<v Speaker 2>control was coming from. He did say that leads have

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<v Speaker 2>slowed down in the case as well, which was interesting

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<v Speaker 2>kind of contrasting that with the fact that he said

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<v Speaker 2>the case is not cold. If I think of a

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<v Speaker 2>case going cold, usually that corresponds to a significant decrease

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<v Speaker 2>in the number of leads. So I think some of

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<v Speaker 2>the contradictions that he made in the interview like that

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<v Speaker 2>were also quite telling. And I'll just say lastly, but

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<v Speaker 2>the actual logistics of the interview itself, I was very

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<v Speaker 2>surprised by the fact that, just a little behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes for your listeners, there were no PR people involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the coordination of this interview, which, albeit p mccounty

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<v Speaker 2>is a very small area in Arizona, they probably don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of people doing some of the communications

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<v Speaker 2>for him and such. But again, I just thought for

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<v Speaker 2>a sheriff who is under the spotlight as much as him,

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<v Speaker 2>he might have want to clear it with his PR people.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think Ashley Banfield said this to me, one

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<v Speaker 2>of my good mentors and a legend really is crime reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>And eighth, the audience I do so let's just be clear.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you go kissing up to your little

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<v Speaker 1>TV friends, they have no audience compared to this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually Banfield got six hundred thousand subscribers, so I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to defend her on that front. Ashley Banfield, No,

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<v Speaker 2>what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say, I've never heard of that person.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she worked for a number of networks, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>more important what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>Job. Is that what you just told me?

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, she's very talented. She's been a great mentor

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<v Speaker 1>But I just want to say, did she teach you

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<v Speaker 1>to address the viewer in the singular?

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<v Speaker 2>She told me that the sheriff thought that he was

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<v Speaker 2>probably going into this interview thinking it was a high

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<v Speaker 2>school project, and then you know, walking out of the

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<v Speaker 2>interview thinking, oh my goodness, I can't believe I had

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<v Speaker 2>to say that. And so that's why, again going back

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<v Speaker 2>to the damage control, he had to do a number

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<v Speaker 2>of interviews in order to kind of clear up some

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<v Speaker 2>of that stuff for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, We're very proud of you. I always enjoyed putting

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<v Speaker 1>you on. I always enjoy having you on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the great Wyat Sharp. How do we find

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<v Speaker 1>you on YouTube?

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<v Speaker 2>It's on YouTube, The Sharp Exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sharp Exchange, which is going to get him into

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<v Speaker 1>Harvard or at the very least McGill.

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<v Speaker 2>McGill's up there. I gotta say, one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it's the best Canadian school. And you should

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<v Speaker 1>be very proud of yourself. We are proud to have

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<v Speaker 1>you on the show. I particularly appreciate the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>we can kid you a little and I thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for that and I look forward to talking to you

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<v Speaker 1>next week. Wyatt Sharp on the Other Side of Midnight

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<v Speaker 1>with Walter Sterling