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what a cap to the weekend?

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Speaker 2: My lord?

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Speaker 1: Was it crazy in Las Vegas and the Tea Mobile

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Arena where Naoya in a way?

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Speaker 2: The Monster was down Dan Rayfield and in some trouble.

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Speaker 1: But once again rallies to win yet another title defense,

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another undisputed title defense. We're gonna talk about that. We're

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gonna talk.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're gonna talking about the whole weekend.

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Speaker 1: But my lord, we are both pumped late Sunday night

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having watched this fight. Thank you for finding us on

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the pod feed. I know we are all over the

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place technology, social media, the YouTube page that we're underway on,

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but here we are on the podfeed, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify

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with the Fight Freaktion Night Recap podcast. I am the

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somewhat competent host TJ.

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Speaker 2: Reeves.

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Speaker 1: I mean I'd be in the bed before three am

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because of that fight we just watched. Hello Insider, Dan Rayhaield,

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Fight Freaktion Night, substack and newsletter. Anything to talk about,

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write about after we saw that with the Monster welcome

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in opening fought here real.

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Speaker 3: Quick, God blessed in a way and Cardennis who salvaged

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a horrible weekend and made it one of the most

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memorable fights of the year so far, a spectacular action fight.

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Just God thanked them so much for doing it. I mean,

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because I mean, I'm not joking.

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Speaker 4: I say this.

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Speaker 3: When I woke up on Sunday, still thinking about the

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fucking garbage Canelo fight, and still with the Friday night

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show on my mind, which we'll all get to all that,

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I was actually pissed off about it, and I didn't

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have I thought, in a way and Cardenas would be entertaining,

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just because anyways, always in entertaining fights, I didn't think

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it would be what we just saw. And you know,

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and let's also not forget about the the tremendous offensive

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mind the performance in Raphael Espinosa retained Featherwick Tedle will

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get to that, and his opponent Edward Vasquez, who showed

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a lot of heart and a lot of balls in

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that fight. So this was in the end, if you

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looked at scorecards, some one sided fights. But in practicality,

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these were fun and entertaining, exciting fights where the champions

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Speaker 2: And it's why we love this sport.

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Speaker 1: It is the theater, the unexpected, as your colleague Larry Merchant,

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the fame Larry Merchant once uttered about ten different times

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on HBO and it was wild tonight. All right, let

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me explain everything. Thank you for finding us. Make sure

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We're in the recap podcast mode. So we're going to

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recap what happened last this weekend. First we will get

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to the mess of Friday night and the fatal Fury

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Card where Ryan Garcia lost. Oh, by the way, that

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was not a month ago, right, that was two nights ago.

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He lost. You and I are going to recap that.

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We're also going to recap Canello, who did not look great.

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We'll have opinions on this. How much of it was

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the time difference fighting early in the morning, how much

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of it was William Skull running and hiding and not

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trying to fight him. We're going to discuss that. You

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get all of this coming off the weekend, So thank

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also, TJ, we got news. We got a contest winner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a contest winner to come up with.

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Now we don't have to draw the contest right now.

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Speaker 1: Keeps that can follow directions, which we like. All right, okay, so.

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Speaker 2: All of that is out of the way. Let's get

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Speaker 1: Undisputed one twenty two pounds title defense for the Monster

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in Las Vegas. We've already tipped it. He was down

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early in the fight. He was in trouble at the

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end of that round and round two, but then got

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his legs back under him, got the firepower back under him.

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Speaker 1: We did not know a lot about Cardenas from San Antonio,

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but he showed some power, he showed some heart. In

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the end, the monster wins, all right, I set it up,

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that happened to him when he fought Luis Near It

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now near. He was a bigger name, a former two

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division world champion. Obviously, he was well known in Japan

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to the Tokyo Doman. He put in a way on

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his ass for the first time in his career with

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the short, little left hand. Cardenas basically landed the exact

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same punch in the second round, and he had in

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a way hurt and kind of shocked, and it was

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people could have seen that happening because of his pedigree

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Speaker 4: And and that.

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Speaker 3: But Cardenas, even though he came with the reputation for

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a good punching, he did not come with the reputation.

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didn't have any big wins. Nobody really knew much about

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him other than that he could punch, he had a

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good corner and his trainer, Joel Diez, who was a

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well known and very highly regarded trainer. But other than that,

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kind of expected that it's going to be maybe a

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good fight, but it gonna be an in a way

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knockout with not a lot of problems. Well, he had

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a lot of problems there in a round number two.

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definitely caught him with some other punches during the fight,

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was actually surprised there was a couple of ones that

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he landed. I was surprised that Cardenas was able to

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stand up to the round six. If you fast forward

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had a tremendous back and forth. I mean, this was

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Speaker 4: And then I kicked did you the.

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Speaker 2: Four letter tax g E E z gs you did

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DJ They had the audio in Cardenas's corner after round

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number seven, after he got knocked down, and Joel Diaz,

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Speaker 3: And then just you know, the referee jumped into Thomas

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Speaker 2: The last punch.

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Speaker 1: And back up, you back up, like to the end

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of the sixth round, he hurt in a way with

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a shot to the body. For a second I thought

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had him on the ropes, backed up, hit him two

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or three more times, and I'm like.

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Speaker 3: He was taking punishment. I have no problem with for sure,

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no problem with that stoppage. And I'm looking at the

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official scorecard, and in fact, when the fight was stopped,

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you had no in a way was ed sixty eight

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to sixty three on all three scorecards. So all the

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judges gave Cardenas a ten to eight round in round

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number two, and then the judges gave Way a ten

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eight round in round number seven, and all the rest

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of the rounds in which there were no knockdowns, they

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were all given to in a way ten to nine,

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which was ideal. I mean, I don't think anybody could

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argue that. But for the most part, that was perfect

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scoring and I have no problem with the stoppage. Cardenas

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didn't complain about it. He actually spoke in the interview afterwards,

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was happy to have given a good fight. And you

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know what, I've said this many times, when you go

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out there and you do what he did, even in

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this type of loss, he gained more notoriety, more fans.

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He'll gain more opportunity off of this loss than he

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did in any of his previous victories. And that's the

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name of the game, because now he's going to be

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a known commodity. Whenever he gets in the ring over

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the next however long, you know, a few fights or whatever,

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it will always be. Hey, that's the guy that knocked

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in a way on his as almost knocked him out

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in a big time fight. He'll make more money, he'll

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gain more fans, and he you know, you can sometimes

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create a better career off of a loss if you

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do so in a in a gallant and exciting way.

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And that's exactly what happened. In other words, he's the

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anti William.

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Speaker 2: Skull, Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk more about what Skull didn't do and

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how we'll likely never see him again on a big

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stage for that reason later in the pod. A couple

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of more things about this again. Electric atmosphere in Vegas

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on a Sunday night, a rare Sunday night type show,

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and the Monster delivered, I mean, the Monster was in

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trouble a couple of times and delivered, so he deserves

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a lot of credit. I mean what we got. We

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can't talk enough about how great this guy is. It's

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now what twenty three title fight wins in a row,

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and I believe twenty one by knockout.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you right now.

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Speaker 3: He is now twenty five and oh in world title

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fight twenty five, twenty five and oh with twenty five

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three knockouts. He's won world titles in four weight classes,

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two of them he has been four belt on disputed champion,

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and he has done it in a very exciting way.

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Speaker 1: That is that is eleven straight knockouts in title fights

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since the don air As first fight in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Eleven straight KOs.

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Speaker 3: He's the truth and by the way, Fortinas nothing but

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the Truthdenas has now just the two losses he lost,

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you know, a majority decision back all the way in

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twenty seventeen. Since that loss, he up until tonight when

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we're taping this, he had won fourteen fights in a row.

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but he put together obviously a very good stretch and

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is like can actually fight. Is anytime I see Samson

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Lukawitz in the guy's corner, that's an indication that he's

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a real Now, he may not become a superstar, but

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guys that can't fight. He signs guys that can fight.

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and for Sembastian Fondora, Gabriella Fondora. He's the one that

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helped bring Manny pakiaout to the United States in the

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first place. I mean, you can go chapter and verse.

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So you know when I see him show up in

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the corner with the kardenis, you know, at the very

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least you know he's competent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was more than that.

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Speaker 1: Deserves a lot of credit, a lot of heart. Knocked

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the monster down. All right, So let's get to what's next.

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The monsters said in the ring mj Akmadalia.

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Speaker 4: That's a done deal, all right, elaborate go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So just a couple of days ago, during the

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week of the fight, and actually I think they mentioned

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on the broadcast, and in a way was kind of

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upset that that was announced. But Ayad talked the top

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rank earlier in the week, and this was expected. I mean,

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it's a WBA mandatory. The idea was he's gonna he

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had won the fight in January on the against the

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late replacement for the injured Sam Goodman, then he was

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gonna come here to fight the Cardenas fight, and then

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it's back to Japan for a fight in mid September

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against Achmadaliaf, who was the WBA mandatory and has been

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long awaiting his opportunity, probably the best guy at one

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hundred and twenty two pounds that anyway has not yet fought.

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while ago, but finally that the paperwork was signed. It's

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a provision of services agreement where they make a deal

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with Akmadaliev's team to basically provide his services. And that's

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now signed, sealed and delivered. So he will go back

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to Japan for the mid September fight, have that bout,

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and if that bout is successful for him, you know,

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anything can happen. But the plan, at least on paper,

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not necessarily one hundred percent, but again not a secret.

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He's going to go to Saudi Arabia, and fight probably

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in December. He's got if you notice he had a

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read season on his trunks. Yes, he's been sponsored by Turkey.

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when he did that deal with Turkey, it was not

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part of that deal was there was no thing where

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you have to come fight in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 4: It was a strictly a sponsored deal.

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Speaker 3: But they have a relationship and he's going to go

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fight in Saudi Arabia and make a big bag of money.

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And they've talked about whether this happens or not about

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him potentially fighting against Nick Ball for the WBA featherweight title,

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and then if he wins that, I'm not sure he

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would stay at featherweight or come back to one twenty

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two because he did say in his interview pre fight

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about you know, would the Nakatani fight happen, and he

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did say yes, and it would be at one twenty two,

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so he look. The bottom line is if anyway keeps

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on doing his thing, he's got some huge fights. Ach

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mcdallia is a very good matchup. Nick Ball is a

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great matchup. Nakatani's a mega fight in Japan, and then

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there's other guys. There's Espinoza who we can talk about.

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Hopefully he'll come back to America again and not stay

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away for another four years. I'm not saying he's a

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come here and fight every fight, but go do your

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thing in Japan, have your big fights here. If in

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a way fought three times a year, I think would

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be a beautiful thing. If you could go there, maybe

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have two fights a year in Japan and have at

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least one fight here in America once a year.

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Speaker 2: Don't disagree. Hey, one more thing and we are going

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to move along here.

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Speaker 1: But this was again the most recent thing, and we're

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putting the podcast out Sunday night into Monday. We left

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the recap pod last week saying, you bank Ben probably

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front runner for fight of the year.

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Speaker 2: Where does this belong? Is this right behind?

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Speaker 3: It is a It was a heck of a fight,

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but it ain't won a I mean, don't forget the

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Taraji against a Coho. We fight from March again. Look,

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I'm not going to overstate this. This was a very

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good fight, but it is not again to me, and

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I've been picking fights of the year for literally twenty

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five years. It's a hell of a fight. Maybe it

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finds its way into an honorable mention that you know

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at the end of the year. But I would not

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even think about this as a fight of the year

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at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Ben and you Bank.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, this is still a notch above what we

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saw tonight, But that doesn't mean that what we saw tonight.

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Speaker 3: Was Again We're we're in early May, so we're not

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even halfway through the year. So if I had just

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to this point right right, I would say, Ben and

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you Bank, and then I'd probably have the flyweight fight

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I just mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Yep, all right, so you mentioned the name Rafia Lspinoza.

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As we do this now kind of in real time.

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He won the co feature fight a dominant performance. This

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guy goodness for a featherweight rangey, tall, big reach, big punch, impressive.

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Speaker 2: That's what I saw. Tell me what you saw in

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the co feature.

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Speaker 4: I saw the same thing. I saw.

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Speaker 3: Guy who knows how to use his power. He's a

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very tall fighter, but he he loves to get inside.

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they like to stick on the outside. You know, keep

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the guy under control with their jab and make it

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kind of easy on themselves. But for a guy that's

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six foot one, one hundred and twenty six pounds, you know,

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he can use the jab and he can stay on

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the outside at times. But his nature, it seems like

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what he likes to do is to get in there

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and bang it out, and he likes to kind of

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dip down and rip upper cuts and you know, do

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things you don't usually see the big, tall fighters do.

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But that makes it fun for the fans. And obviously

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he figured out Vasquez could not really do much damage

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to him when he took a few punches at the

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beginning of the fight. He won every single round, just

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was banging away, banging away, banging away. When the fifth

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round is over, Harvey Dack, who was the referee for

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the fight, went to the Vasquez corner and told him, look,

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you got to show me something.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: At that point, he's got blood coming out of his nose,

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he's got you know, faces.

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Speaker 4: All marked up.

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Speaker 3: He looks like he's been through the meat grinder. At

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that point, he was taking a tremendous amount of punishment.

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The left hooks and the upper cuts were doing some

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tremendous damage and he did catch Espinozo with some shots,

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but they weren't doing anything. I mean, he was just

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walking right through everything. Yeah, and uh, anyway, when they

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got to the seventh round, you know, he's you know,

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he's asked us cut on the bridge of the nose.

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He's got a big mouse swelling under purple, all messed

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up underneath his left eye, and he's just taken a

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tremendous amount of punishment in the corner and Harvey Dock

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stepped in and stopped the fight. This was a one

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sided ass kicking. But what what made it, first of all,

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was entertaining because they were throwing a lot of punches,

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and I think we're all excited because of all the

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terrible fights we saw previous this weekend. But even if

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it's one sided in terms of the way the scoring

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is going, it does move you to some degree in

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an emotional way because you see the tremendous heart and

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and the grit that that Vasquez, Edward Vasquez was showing.

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So you got to respect that. So that's sort of

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what makes the drama like this. This guy's you know,

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fighting basically, you know, as hard as he possibly can.

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He's letting it all hang out. And that's look one

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thing that I think we can we can We have

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a as fans, we have a right to expect.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I don't expect a fighter to you know, and don't

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want to see a fighter get injured in the ring anything,

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that's that terrible, okay, But what we what we have

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a right to expect as the as the customer, as

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the fan, for the fighter, both of them to give

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their best effort. And there's a lot of times that

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come away from fights, and I don't feel like that's

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the case when you watch what Edward Vasquez did, who

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may not ever be a world champion, who may not

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have the elite skills, but one thing he does have

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is something inside him that allowed him to go in

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the ring against all odds and give everything he possibly

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could and give a great effort.

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Speaker 4: And I respect that, all right.

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Speaker 1: So that leads me just to one more question here

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real quick, and then we're going to get to recamping.

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What else went on this weekend? Espinoza? You mentioned maybe

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in a way somewhere deeper down the road, not immediate,

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not this year.

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Speaker 2: What else for him?

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Speaker 1: When do I mean we logically we're going to see

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him later in the year, perhaps unification.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's I guess possible. Top Rank has involvement

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with Angelo Leo, who is one of the title holders.

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He's got the IBF. Well, he has a title defense

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coming up at the end of May that's going to

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be in Japan. If he's successful in that fight, maybe

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Top Rank and I guess Probox is a partner with

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him on Angelo Leo, that maybe they can make that

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as a unification fight. That would be obviously quite interesting.

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Obviously they've been promoting and pushing Bruce Shushu Carrington, who's

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got a number one ranking and I think in the WBO,

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so that could be a mandatory fight. I don't think

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Carrington's ready for that at this point point. He's a

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hell of an up and coming fighter, but that's a

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big step up from what he's been facing. But look,

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he's was a top amateur, he's got quick hands, he's

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got good power. I would I would be and that

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would be a good promotion, So that may be a possibility.

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So look there one thing about Espinos is I don't

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care who he fights. He's going to be in something

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that's worth watching.

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Speaker 1: A lot of offense there from him. All right, So

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now let me explain this just briefly for a second.

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You love it when we pull the curtain back, Peeps

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and savages. You are now going to hear our recap

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that we did Friday night. We get there's a YouTube

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exclusive in the aftermath of the fatal Fury Card Times

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Square where Devin Haney did not look good but won,

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Ryan Garcia looked poor and lost, Teya Fimo Lopez looked

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the best of anybody. So again, if you were already

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with us on YouTube, amazingly similar comments that you're about

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to hear again. But we realize also the pod audience

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is a different audience the podcast audience here on the recap,

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so this is probably new to a lot of you.

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I'm just prefacing this that this is Friday Night. You're

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gonna hear venom from Big Dan and from me about

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how bad the fatal Fury Card really was overall, and

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then that's gonna lead into the Canelo Alvarez recap. Now,

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full disclosure, we did that recap earlier on Sunday, before

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we knew what happened with the Monster fight, etc. Canello

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again did not look great, Dan's got some strong comments.

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Speaker 2: How am I doing on my teas?

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Speaker 1: Dan's got some strong comments about Canelo and what we saw.

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So again, I'm just saying to the audience, you're about

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to hear things that we've kind of already done, and

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we just worked the pod out this way to save

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time and get it up quicker on Sunday night after

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the Naway fight. So there you go, and then you

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and I have a little fight news and we're about

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done for the weekend. But for the pod audience, now

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the recaps roll on Friday night first from Times Square,

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Saturday night from Saudi Arabia with Canelo. You'll hear all

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of that right now. A stunner and there is no

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other way to put it. Ryan Garcia has lost tonight

482
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in New York City to Roly Romero, a twelve to

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one favorite when we handicap this fight on our bet

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Us show.

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Speaker 2: Has lost.

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Speaker 1: He has thrown the potential rematch with Devin Haney into turmoil.

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What's gonna happen there? All right, let's.

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Speaker 2: Begin right there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he got knocked down in the second round,

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and I'm saying this, he was not the same fighter

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after that. They were commenting on the broadcast, What are

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your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Well, first, I'm going to address the first thing you

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said about him. I glad I didn't go because I

495
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thought about going. I was going to go to the

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fight and go up for the weekend to New York

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and cover this. And I'm glad that I didn't, actually

498
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because when I heard a way that the media was

499
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going to be seated and disrespected, I'm glad I made

500
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that decision instead of wasting my money and time to

501
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go cover this in person. I actually probably had a

502
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better situation being in here in my office because they

503
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put the media no exaggeration in the hard rock in

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Times Square apparently with very little or no internet access,

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and then some spillover at the Bubba Gum Shrimp factory

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in Times Square. Who needs that nonsense? I mean, give

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me a break.

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Speaker 1: So they did not even have them to where they

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could see the fight live. They're literally watching displaced on TV.

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And are you serious at the Bubba Gum Shrimp.

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Speaker 3: Unless the reporter that I texted with who's a good

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friend of mine, was full of shit.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, but the Bubba Gump Shrimp may have

514
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been better than this fight card.

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Speaker 4: Tonight.

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Speaker 2: But I'm bumped while we.

517
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Speaker 1: Crack off back to the what was the question the

518
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questions on the screen, How did this happen to Ryan

519
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Garcia tonight?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, before I even get to that,

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you said that the that it was fatal to the

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Romero or to the Ryan Garcia Devin Hainey remaxing could be,

523
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but not necessarily because crazy things happen, and if they

524
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just said fuck it and decided to make the rematch anyway,

525
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it wouldn't be a total shock. Although I must say

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I can't think of a card where I've seen two

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guys devalue themselves so much. Yes, with their performance guys.

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Speaker 1: More on that when we talk about Haini's performance in

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the rub what but what happened to Ryan Garcia in

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your estimation night? Was it the knockdown that then made

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him tentative for the rest of the fight.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's certainly I think part of it. He

533
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got hit with two nice left hooks, but he I

534
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didn't think he was that badly heard he got up.

535
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It didn't seem like he was about to be knocked

536
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out or anything like that. I mean, he's been knocked

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down before, He's always come through in those situations other

538
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than the Tank Davis fight. But I mean, he got

539
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knocked down by Lou Campbell to my recollection, so it

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was the first time he's ever been on the floor,

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and he came through. I just think that the Ryan Garcia,

542
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who lived such a hard life the past year, filled

543
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up with peds for the fight against Haniback last April.

544
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Whether you believe that he was doing it on purpose

545
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or it was there and he didn't know about it, whatever,

546
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he had peds running through him. And then we all

547
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watched very publicly as he spent the next you know,

548
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many months melting down, both before that fight and after,

549
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with the arrest and with the drinking and with the drugs,

550
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and with the mental health problems and the racial and

551
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you know slurs that he went crazy with on on

552
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social media. I mean, you know that shit catches up

553
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to you, and you know, maybe he had a good camp,

554
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Maybe he was in good She looked in good shape.

555
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I mean, he was also coming up a little bit

556
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in wait for where he'd been fighting. Naturally, this was

557
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the heaviest he had ever waged in for a boxing

558
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match in his entire career.

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Speaker 4: That may be part of it.

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Speaker 3: I feel like Roly Rameiro, who was also moving up

561
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in Wait, I feel like he carried that weight. He

562
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looked much stronger at welterweight than Ryan did. He looked

563
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sticker on his back, his bought his legs. You know,

564
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he just looked more built and in better shape than

565
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Ryan Garcia. And I didn't think that Rolly fought like

566
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a lights out kind of fight. He fought at his

567
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typical slow pace, and the onus was on Ryan Garcia

568
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to really, you know, to be dynamic like he is.

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He never landed a single one of his really electrifying

570
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left hooks. Couple landed, but nothing. It wasn't the A

571
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level one. And Rolly was able to fight at that nice,

572
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comfortable pace for the entire twelve rounds, got up to

573
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a lead and just kept pushing forward. I thought Derek

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James did a great job in Ryan Garcia's corner because

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as early as I want to say, maybe like the

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seventh round or something like that, he was already urging

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him on about you got to do with this, you

578
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got to do that. He was understanding what was unfolding immediately.

579
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He didn't have to wait till like round eleven and

580
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round twelve. And Ryan maybe he listened, but he certainly

581
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could not execute the things that Derek was asking him

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to do, so he just threw no punches. It was

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I saw what they mentioned, I think on the broadcast.

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It was of the fifteen thousand plus matches that compe

585
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Box has tracked in forty years, the third fewest punch

586
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is thrown for two fighters combined in a twelve rounder. Ever,

587
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so props to Roly. He won that fight, and he

588
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did it the way he wanted to do it, but

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it was not a good fight. It was not a

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good card.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, the whole the whole thing's a mess. And

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we're going to back up to Devin Haney and back

593
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up to Tea Femo Lopez and Ta Fimal Lopez turns

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out to be the fighter of the night.

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Speaker 2: He was impressive. The rest my god.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ryan Garcia though as the star of the

597
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show comes in in the batmobile going out.

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Speaker 4: Like the joker.

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Speaker 2: Very good line. You've been waiting on that one for

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about an hour.

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Speaker 4: I actually just thought of it, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: And then and then after the fight, he was so

603
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matter of fact in the ring there on the own

604
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pay per view, like, hey, tip, tip your hat to

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Roly Romeiro, just give him credit.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a good night.

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Speaker 4: I mean almost. I can appreciate the honesty there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but I mean it, I mean and

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I mean. Dereck James to me was almost in like

610
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the ninth and the tenth round, like what are you doing?

611
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Speaker 2: You want me to say it? What are we doing here?

612
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What are you doing? He even said to him, do

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the things that we've.

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Speaker 1: Worked on in the camp, go back to what we've

615
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worked on in the camp.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe this is this is not this is

617
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not a loss that's on the trainer, Okay, I mean

618
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clearly not a loss on the trainer. So I think

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Derek James, uh, you know, did everything he could to

620
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bring out the best in Ryan Garcia. And Ryan was

621
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an unwilling uh willing to cooperate and what he.

622
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Speaker 4: Was asking for.

623
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Speaker 3: And really that's whether it was by design or maybe

624
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he just couldn't do it, because, as I mentioned, when

625
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you do all the kinds of things to your life

626
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and your mentality and your body and all the things

627
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he was doing the past year, you know that's gonna

628
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catch up to you and your actor had told together,

629
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and you're fighting with a guy who was seemed somewhat

630
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determined and has good punching power and and was in

631
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good shape. And as as as Roy had discuss and

632
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the lead up to the fight, he should have moved

633
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,279
up to this weight a while ago. So maybe he's

634
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better served at one forty seven. I mean, we saw

635
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him gett knocked out at one. You know, in the

636
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two fights ago. He looked absolutely horrible in that fight,

637
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and maybe there's something to be said for putting on

638
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:16,039
a few extra pounds and being a little more sturdy

639
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and not as drained when you get to the ring atmosphere.

640
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Speaker 1: Do you think the lack of an atmosphere maybe hindered

641
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this in some way? Certainly the last two fights lacked

642
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anything to give any body cheer.

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Speaker 4: You can't tell me.

644
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Speaker 3: I mean, I listen, I'm gonna put it like this.

645
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I give a lot of credit to the folks Turkey

646
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and his whole team that organized. And you know, the

647
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idea of putting this event in Times Square very cool.

648
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I mean in in in your mind it's like, wow,

649
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that's really amazing, and it was. It was a great idea.

650
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I mean, a fight in Times Square, like that's pretty cool.

651
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But and I don't know if they knew how it

652
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was gonna unfold or whatever, but it in the actual

653
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execution of it, it was unfortunate because when you only

654
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have a couple hundred VIPs, the fact that you're in

655
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the center of the busiest area, like you know, a

656
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couple of streets and the entire world. Maybe it sounded

657
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like there was like there was church on a Sunday

658
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at times because the crowd wasn't making any noise. The

659
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fans who were maybe gathered around were not allowed to

660
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watch it.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't say anything.

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Speaker 3: Well I was gonna say, is we spoke about on

663
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the pre fight podcast. Because of an ordnance in New York,

664
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which I'm not sure why they didn't know about it

665
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or what happened. They made them put up the red

666
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wrapping around the chain link fence so the folks standing

667
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on the outside couldn't see in. That was like an

668
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ordinance because of they didn't want people that it's like

669
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a driving thing to for save driving. And furthermore, they

670
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forced them and maybe they changed it. But I didn't

671
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notice any shots of the jumbo trons. They didn't allow

672
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them to show the fights on the jumbo trons, so

673
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it's like you put it in the middle.

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Speaker 2: They might agreed.

675
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Speaker 1: They kept showing the crowd, but the crowd could not

676
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see the fight on the sidewalk. All the people waving

677
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that just looked like tourists who were waving in the

678
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background of the today.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of cool, but again, if you can't

680
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see it, like, I don't know, I keep thinking to myself, like, again,

681
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I don't knock the idea. I'm all for, you know,

682
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interesting things and new ideas. I embraced that.

683
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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a cool idea when I heard

685
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about it. But now looking back and you're like, wouldn't

686
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that have been better like in Madison Square Garden. I

687
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mean maybe because they had been doing but nonetheless.

688
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Speaker 1: Soldier line short. They could have had it in a

689
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bar in Iowa. They could have had it in a

690
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in a street in uh Charlotte, North Carolina, and it

691
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didn't matter if the fans couldn't see it. All right,

692
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let's get into Devin Haney and Jose Ramirez, another dreadful fight.

693
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Speaker 2: There's no way to sugarcoat this.

694
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Speaker 1: We keep it real and we're we're live here on

695
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this fightj It's awful.

696
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: It's awful. So what happened?

697
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Speaker 1: And do you buy into what Jim Lampley and Antonio

698
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,440
Tarbor we're talking about right away? Lampley especially that Devin

699
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,000
Haney looks like not only ring Ross, but he looks

700
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:57,519
gun shy from what Ryan Garcia did to him, and

701
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:01,119
that dictated what didn't happen for the next twelve rowns.

702
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Speaker 3: I think absolutely Devin Haney was petrified of the left

703
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:06,599
hook because the one punch that Jose Rimirez does possess

704
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,519
that can do a lot of damage as a left hook.

705
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I mean, he's had that ever since the amateur days.

706
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I remember watching Jose Rimirez as an amateur and as

707
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a young professional. I was at his professional debut as

708
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a matter of fact, and watching his left hook and

709
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thinking that I might be seeing like the second coming

710
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:21,119
of the Oscar de la Hoya left hook. I mean

711
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never really became that, but I'm making the point that

712
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if he was ever going to do any damage against Hani,

713
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it was going to be on that hook that caused

714
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,359
him so many problems in that fight with Ryan last year.

715
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,079
So yeah, I think there's something to be said with

716
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:36,319
that look to me, Jose Rimirez, and I've said this

717
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,640
many times, he's a beautiful human being. He's a wonderful person,

718
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,400
a charitable guy, absolutely as likable as you can ever

719
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,200
get in boxing. Just a decent human being. I like

720
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:46,119
him a lot. I guess I've known him his entire career.

721
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:51,079
I've watched his career go down the slide downward over

722
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:53,839
the last several fights in terms of even when he's

723
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,119
won the performances. Tonight he hit the bottom. It's over

724
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,880
for Jose Rimirez. It's harsh, and I don't say that

725
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,319
with any glee, but he's done. I mean, in my opinion,

726
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:05,240
I mean, it's not like he has to retire. He

727
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:06,799
might still be able to get fights, but the money's

728
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,200
gonna get smaller. You know, he's got a nice family,

729
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,880
he's got kids, he's got right, He's made a lot

730
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,240
of money over the last several years, so financially he

731
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:14,960
should be okay.

732
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not telling him what if.

733
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,519
Speaker 1: He couldn't take advantage of Devin Haney tonight.

734
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: But who would want to hear what you said after that?

735
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,960
He just did absolutely nothing they had. I'm looking at

736
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960
the stat here they combined to throw five hundred three

737
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,480
punches in that twelve round fight. That was the fourth

738
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:33,559
fewest in a twelve round fight in the history of

739
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,640
compy boxes forty plus years and fifteen thousand plus fights

740
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,160
in any way class. So Hany did more because he

741
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,599
landed some nice left hooks here and there. So while

742
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:47,240
he was landing two or three nice shots around, Ramirez

743
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,400
was landing absolutely nothing. So I said to you in

744
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,000
the pre fight, that would be an easy I thought

745
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,519
that was a mismatch and that he would win handily.

746
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:58,359
And that's how it happened. It just was a terrible, terrible,

747
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:00,319
boring fight. And I have to say, Tej, when you

748
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:05,839
watch Ryan Garcia do so little against his opponent, and

749
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,960
you watch Devin Haney in a win do so little

750
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,480
against his opponent. Even if they decided to go forward

751
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,799
and make the rematch, I mean, I mean, they could

752
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:15,480
do it, and they'll try to hype it up, but

753
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,400
you can't sugarcoat what we saw to it. As you said,

754
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,680
that was two stink bumps, and that that is like a.

755
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,519
Speaker 1: Now clarified, they have signed for a rematch. It's scheduled

756
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:30,880
for late this year. So but but give me the butt.

757
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: The butt is I don't know if it's if there's

758
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,160
any language that says they either have to have a

759
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,039
win in this setup fight or a draw, or if

760
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,400
it's the option of the promoters to go forward if

761
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,759
they lose, or however you want to slice it. Now,

762
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,559
what I wrote about in the pre fight, and this

763
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,799
is important, is that if one of those fighters lost,

764
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,920
and in this case it was Garcia that lost and

765
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,480
Hainy won, that it was absolutely a very possible situation

766
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:59,720
where the guy who was still standing would end up

767
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,880
fighting Tiafimo Lopez in the fall fight, because if Tiafimo

768
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Lopez had won, it was always the plan was to

769
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,319
go forward and have him on that same card come

770
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,759
the end of their in Saudi Arabia. So would there

771
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:14,240
be some kind of movement perhaps to do Tiafimo against

772
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:19,200
Devin Haney. Maybe not, because there's no title involved, which so.

773
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:20,759
Speaker 1: There would have been changed so that we're clear, So

774
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,240
there's no chance Hani would move back down to one

775
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:25,119
forty and fight for tea Fimo's title.

776
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:26,759
Speaker 2: This would have to be at the higher way.

777
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,119
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you never say, but speculating right, I.

778
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:32,279
Speaker 3: Would I would say though, well, I'll put to you

779
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:36,359
like this, when Hani and Romirez fought this fight, they

780
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,440
did it in a contract of one forty four, which

781
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:39,559
was both of them moving up.

782
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: And wait, so is it.

783
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,559
Speaker 3: Completely out of the realm that Hani would elect after

784
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,960
this type of performance to maybe go back to one

785
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:48,559
forty and challenge for the big title, the lineal and

786
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:50,480
Tiafimo's belt. I guess it's not out of the realm

787
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:53,599
of possibility. Typically when fighters go up, they don't come back.

788
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:55,400
But he didn't go all the way to forty seven.

789
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,319
He seemed like he made the wight pretty good. He

790
00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:59,960
looked in an awesome condition. So I guess that's a possible.

791
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,480
That's going to be up to him and the team

792
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:03,680
and and I guess Turkey and everybody involved to sort

793
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,640
of figure that out. But all right, you know, are

794
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,559
you would you be excited to see t Femo against

795
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:08,159
Haney after him?

796
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: I think it's better.

797
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: I think it's better than Haney and Garcia right now

798
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:14,679
as the next fight.

799
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:17,599
Speaker 3: The problem is they want to sell this as a

800
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:18,000
pay per.

801
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: Viewer asking me if I want to put a bullet

802
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,320
in my foot or cut one of my fingers off,

803
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:22,679
I don't.

804
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:24,519
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what you want me

805
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:25,440
to choose from.

806
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's like, it's not it's just a

807
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:29,800
I mean, I'm sure they're going to figure something out,

808
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,320
all right. There's really not a lot of good options.

809
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: To tea femo. He wins over Arnold Barbosa. My hand

810
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,159
is up.

811
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: I thought Barbosa might pull the upset. This was a

812
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,760
one sided fight where where ta Fimo Lopez looked really good.

813
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,119
Isn't it fair to say this is the best he's

814
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:48,719
looks since the Josh Taylor win when he won most

815
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,840
of the titles that night, or won with the WBO title.

816
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,159
Speaker 3: Wo because Taylor lost them.

817
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 4: He had been stripped in Vagan.

818
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,679
Speaker 1: But Taya Fimo looked great that night, but not since

819
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,440
This is the best he looked. He was the fighter

820
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:04,760
of the night. Lopez say more about that real quick.

821
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought he was the fighter then I

822
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,880
posted on my social media. The fact of the matter

823
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,920
is it is absolutely It's not even a question of doubt.

824
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,239
This was his best performance since those since that Taylor fight.

825
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,360
He had won other fights, but looked, you know, pedestrian,

826
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,360
I mean the Claggett fight. He won, he you know, easily,

827
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,039
but it was not a great performance. I thought he

828
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:22,800
lost the Jermaine Ortiz fight and now this was his

829
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,880
third defense, and he looked really good, I thought. I mean,

830
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,199
it wasn't a was not a scintillating fight. But Tifimo,

831
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,199
you know, he tried to make entertainment. He kind of

832
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,239
bounced around and clowned a little bit and you know,

833
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,480
landed his punches. He didn't really show the power as

834
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,079
we spoke about beforehand. You know, he just doesn't have

835
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,519
that power. At one forty, he's had now, you know,

836
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:41,519
several fights in the way class. He had one stoppage

837
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:43,280
and that was in the first fight of his move

838
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,199
up to one against Pedro Kampa, who was a journeyman

839
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,360
kind of fighter. That was an expected kind of stoppage.

840
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:51,280
And he didn't stop Taylor, and he didn't stop Claggett,

841
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,920
and he didn't stop Jermaine Ortiz, and he didn't come

842
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,480
close to stopping Barboza. So the power, in my opinion,

843
00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:59,000
is not there. But he does when he's when he's

844
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,440
on his game and he's in shape mentally and physically,

845
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,719
he's in He's a very good boxer. He's got a

846
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,039
lot of you know, tools in the toolbox, as they say,

847
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:07,599
and he he pulled a lot of the mountain at

848
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:09,920
against a Barbosa, who, again, like some of the other

849
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,639
guys in this car, fought at one speed, showed no urgency,

850
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:15,159
one shot at a time, and uh, you know, Tifimo

851
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,400
was much more dynamic even if the power was not there.

852
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:19,760
So IFO fought a really good fight. In my mind,

853
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,639
by the way, did I thought that the judging in

854
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:24,280
that fight, they two of the judges had at one

855
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,719
sixteen to one twelve. I thought that was extremely generous.

856
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:28,280
The other score was one.

857
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,519
Speaker 2: What did you have? You had it like ten to two?

858
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,639
Speaker 3: No, he had at one eighteen to one ten, which

859
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,920
was the same as the other judge that did score

860
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,719
sixteen to twelve.

861
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: If Taya Femo doesn't get a Hainy fight, he has

862
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,840
mentioned he would like to fight jeron In as he

863
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,039
would like to move up and do that.

864
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: How realistic is that for you? Just real quick?

865
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,159
Speaker 3: That's not really that's that's it's not me saying it's realistic.

866
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,360
That's them saying it's realistic. Because that's a fight that

867
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,679
Mattroom and Ennis and Turkey and Tiafimo and his team

868
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,800
are interested in. That's a really good fight. I mean,

869
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,239
Nis will be the favorite in that fight. But Tiafimo,

870
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,719
as we've discussed, when he's had his biggest fights, he's

871
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,599
made his best performance as Lomachenko. Josh Taylor, I guess

872
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:08,440
tonight you'd have to say so. And so if you've

873
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,599
moved up to fight Ennis, you know, he alluded to

874
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:13,599
moving up after the fight in his post fight interview.

875
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,079
Speaker 4: But that's a that's a tough fight. That's a really

876
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:16,559
tough fight.

877
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: All right.

878
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,199
Speaker 1: So that leads us to Saturday night, and just twenty

879
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,679
four hours after what honestly we didn't see in New York,

880
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,360
we were hoping to see a much more energetic, enthusiastic,

881
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,960
compelling card in Saudi Arabia. I would be lying Dan

882
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:38,519
Raphael on the on the recap pod, if we really

883
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:39,760
saw a whole lot.

884
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: I won't speak for you.

885
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,599
Speaker 1: Certainly, the main event with Canelo winning over William Skull

886
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:50,639
a big disappointment. Canelo was busier than Hani and Garcia,

887
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:55,000
but that ain't saying much relatively speaking. All right, those

888
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,400
are those are my initial thoughts. Tell me about this

889
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,800
card in Saudi Arabia, Canelo's first ever fight outside of

890
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,280
North America early morning Sunday for them, late night Saturday

891
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,159
night for US. Canelo wins the main event against an

892
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:13,000
opponent that frankly should not have been there, we all agree,

893
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,480
and wasn't trying to win, was just trying to survive.

894
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:18,199
What are your thoughts now in the recap?

895
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: I mean, he was there because he had a belt

896
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,760
and that's all it was about. It was massively disappointing.

897
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,239
It was a disgrace. Both fighters were terrible, but at least,

898
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:33,000
you know, I'm not gonna defend Canelo, but at least

899
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:35,880
he was trying to make the fight more than the

900
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,280
other guy. So the perspective I have is if one

901
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,679
guy is trying to be somewhat aggressive but is very ineffective,

902
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:47,360
and the other guy is not trying to be aggressive

903
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,159
and is completely ineffective, you're gonna give the rounds at

904
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,280
least to the guy that's that's the more aggressive guy,

905
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,840
if the two things are equal. What I just said,

906
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,239
So all the fucking morons on social media like, well,

907
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,719
he was boxing and he was moving in. Canello couldn't

908
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,159
cut off the ring. They both stunk, but Canello was

909
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:06,199
making the fight. I had to fight eleven rounds to one.

910
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,880
That was to me a very reasonable score. I could

911
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,360
see maybe a second, maybe even a third round for

912
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,239
William Skull. The judges scored at one fifteen to one thirteen.

913
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,480
You know, I will say this. When the fight was over,

914
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,800
I talked to a very high ranking official from one

915
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,079
of the sanctioning bodies who basically was like, that person

916
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:25,719
should be fired from their jump.

917
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:26,599
Speaker 2: Good.

918
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:31,519
Speaker 3: It was absolutely terrible, But the fight was it was terrible.

919
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,280
I don't know if it was because the fight was

920
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480
at six thirty in the morning local time. Canello has

921
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,440
asked about that in the post fight interview by Chris Mannix.

922
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,679
He said, no, I'm a professional. I got here three

923
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,599
weeks beforehand. We practiced on our schedule to know that

924
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,159
we were going to be fighting at this time of day,

925
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,760
So I have no excuses. But here's the bottom line, TJ.

926
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:52,400
And this is my perception. It may be painful for

927
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,039
Canelo fans to hear. It's painful for me to say

928
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:58,800
because I love Canelo Alvarice. He's got over sixty plus

929
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,159
fights he's been now he's gonna have his twentieth anniversary

930
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,960
of his professional debut in October. He's winding down. Yep,

931
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,320
he's getting over the other side of the mountain. His

932
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,519
legs are bad now. He doesn't come with any fire.

933
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,920
He doesn't like to fight runners. But I remember many

934
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,880
years ago when he fought the runner Arisonti Laar, he

935
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,960
at least went after him. He didn't do that in

936
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,880
this fight. He just trudged along. Was one shot at

937
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,599
a time, and you know time waits for nobody agreed.

938
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: Do you believe it was more so that or is

939
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,199
it maybe in combination. I honestly think this long about

940
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,280
the eighth or ninth round, I think he knew I

941
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:39,599
have banked eight or nine rounds. Certainly by the tenth round,

942
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,599
I've banked eight or nine rounds, and I don't get

943
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:45,639
Phil Collins. Baby, I don't care anymore.

944
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,599
Speaker 2: No, he didn't care.

945
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,119
Speaker 1: The post fight interview and the look on his face,

946
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,880
it looked like he got to the point where he

947
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,119
did not care. In the tenth, eleventh, or twelfth round.

948
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,119
Should I go after him? Should I try to knock

949
00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,039
him out? I don't care.

950
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm getting paid either.

951
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 4: He couldn't. He couldn't.

952
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 3: I don't think it was that. I think he couldn't

953
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,519
go after I don't think he could have knocked him out.

954
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,119
The fact is in the comments that William Skull made

955
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,679
after the fight translated from Spanish, he was proud of

956
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,400
his performance, like he didn't have any realization how much

957
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,559
it was shitty. Yeah, I mean it was. He was

958
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:16,480
like a thief in the night.

959
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: That tells you that his goal was to stay on

960
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,239
his feet, survive and get fame.

961
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:24,199
Speaker 3: Period, get a check. You have one moment. What's the

962
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:28,000
old eminem lyrics, one one moment. You know you got

963
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,559
one chance. You know he didn't take advantage of that.

964
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:32,760
So I'm going to discuss a little bit about the

965
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,480
CompuBox because it's it was, first of all, for our

966
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,679
friends at compy Box, this was a very easy fight

967
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,239
for them to do because their fingers didn't have to

968
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,360
do a whole lot. They've been doing boxing matches for

969
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,239
forty years. Okay, they've done over fifteen thousand fights. Obviously

970
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,639
not all of them are twelve rounders, but probably thousands

971
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:52,639
of them march twelve rounders. So in the entire history

972
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:56,320
of CompuBox for forty years, they have tracked a gazillion

973
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,239
fights in the entire history of those twelve round bouts.

974
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,000
The one hundre and fifty two punches thrown by Canelo

975
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:04,639
Alvarez were the second fewest ever in the history of

976
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,679
their company in a twelve round fight for a guy

977
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:09,840
who's been known for many, many, many many years in

978
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,599
one of the great action and entertaining fighters of our time.

979
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:13,639
Speaker 4: That's pathetic.

980
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: So that's a combination of a William skull that was

981
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:18,599
jumping around like a jack rabbit thrown, you know, half

982
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:21,440
ass jabs off the back foot from ten feet away,

983
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,039
combined with maybe his legs or not what they once were.

984
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,519
That adds up to that. If you take into account

985
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:28,360
the fact that they threw four hundred and forty five

986
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,320
punches combined between the two of them, that was, drum

987
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,639
roll please, an all time record for the fewest punches

988
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,039
thrown in the history of a twelve round fight. Track

989
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:42,159
by copy Box, that is ignominious in a big way.

990
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,719
And by the way, simply then I'll use the word

991
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,159
nay dear of a weekend in which we saw fights

992
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:51,960
that were on the New York card with Ryan Garcia

993
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:57,119
and Romero and Hainey against Ramirez where those fights were

994
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:00,639
in the ethnically, but those were all so among the

995
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:04,000
all time lowest, and this weekend produced I want to say,

996
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:08,400
three the fewest punches thrown fights in a twelve rounder

997
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,679
in the history of CompuBox.

998
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,599
Speaker 1: I really, I know, I really come back to I'm

999
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:14,960
not trying to defend him.

1000
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,639
Speaker 2: I think he just lost interest.

1001
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: Like what happened for the first day rounds, but I

1002
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,280
mean in the tenth, the eleventh, and the twelfth, I

1003
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,440
don't think he cared to try to get him out there,

1004
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,559
out of there if he could have.

1005
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: I think he just lost interest. And maybe it is

1006
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:30,960
father time.

1007
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: We're about to listen to find out with what we're

1008
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,920
going to talk about with Crawford.

1009
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,559
Speaker 2: Here a minute.

1010
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: I saw the wide shot pictures of the arena. It

1011
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,760
was empty ish I mean not empty. I mean there

1012
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,440
was fans there, and there were some actually, to their credit,

1013
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,440
we're making some noise. Clearly some of his Mexican fan

1014
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,639
base traveled for the fight, but there was wide swaths

1015
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:54,480
of empty seats. You know, and look the Saudi's and

1016
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:57,000
Herky they're spending money to put on these, you know,

1017
00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,760
big shows and big fights, and I'm happy about that.

1018
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:03,039
But there's something to be said for the atmosphere and

1019
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:07,000
the Saudi Arabian fights, with the exception probably of the

1020
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,079
fury Usik one, which did have a legitimate, big time

1021
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,199
paid crowd. But you take that out of the equation,

1022
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,559
you've got the fights like what happened on Saturday, the

1023
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:17,559
New York fights with what turned out to be the

1024
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:20,000
inability for the public to view the fights in Times

1025
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:21,679
Square because it was closed off and they didn't have

1026
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,840
it on the JumboTron. You know, atmosphere is part of

1027
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,079
not just boxing, part of sports. You go to a

1028
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,000
football game, or a basketball game, or a baseball game,

1029
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,400
or a golf match. When they make a great shot whatever,

1030
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:34,880
you want to hear that roar of the crowd and

1031
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,880
the excitement and the and that. And fighters, I believe,

1032
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,440
not every one of them, but a lot of them

1033
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,440
they thrive on the on the roar of the crowd,

1034
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,280
no doubt about it. And that was just not the case.

1035
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,800
I don't know if Canelo was bored and listen, William Skull,

1036
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,760
he was a fraudulent mandatory. He really, in many opinions,

1037
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,360
didn't even have the you know, didn't deserve to win

1038
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,199
the fight. When he beats Chiskin to get that that

1039
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,719
belt that they stole away from Canelo, and then he

1040
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,880
came to collect his check because that win win in

1041
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,079
quote marks against Schiskin was like basically his lottery ticket

1042
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,000
and he went and got you know, paid. He'll never

1043
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,360
get paid again, by the way. No, I dare say

1044
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,360
that we'll never see Williams Skull in a fight ever again. No,

1045
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,880
it's certainly not on American television or streaming service. And

1046
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,360
it was an absolute fucking disgrace. I could not be

1047
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,599
more disgusted, uh, with with that fight, with the with

1048
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:27,480
the with the weekend, I mean, at least the rest

1049
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:29,440
of the card, which we'll talk about. There was some

1050
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,840
entertainment value for the remainder of the card, but that's

1051
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,519
the main event. And uh, you know, when I look

1052
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:36,480
at that, I see Canelo at his age and add

1053
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,559
the number of rounds and the number of fights, you know,

1054
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:43,559
it's uh, based on that, it's it looks like we're

1055
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:44,119
near the end.

1056
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 4: Being honest, like, I mean, that was that was bad.

1057
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you and I have said on the front end,

1058
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,119
will believe that he's fighting two more times in Saudi

1059
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:56,159
Arabia in twenty twenty six, when we see it. I mean,

1060
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,679
we don't know what's gonna happen, and we're about to

1061
00:45:57,679 --> 00:45:59,519
talk about Terres Crawford. We don't know what's gonna happen

1062
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:03,079
with this fight. But that version of Canelo was definitely

1063
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:06,320
a slowed down version. I mean, just to reference, if

1064
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,800
you go back to when everything cranked back up at

1065
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,079
the end of twenty twenty and he fought Callum Smith,

1066
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:14,519
and he fought Avney Yieldram, and then he fought Billy

1067
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:18,840
Joe Saunders, and he fought Dimitri Bbol and Caleb Plant

1068
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:23,400
that's a totally different Canelo Alvarez obviously just four years

1069
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,800
ago than what we saw for whatever reasons on Saturday.

1070
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,039
Speaker 2: So you make about.

1071
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 3: Basically he's been a different fighter since the Bevo fight. Yeah,

1072
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,920
but you know that's the bottom line.

1073
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:37,519
Speaker 1: And father time again on all this a lot of rounds,

1074
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:39,320
a lot of years, all right, So there we go

1075
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,800
on that. So none of this is surprising that we're

1076
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,679
about to talk about so immediately after the fight. How

1077
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,000
About we didn't even get a post fight interview about

1078
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:50,639
the fight before Turkey Alashka has taken over on Okay,

1079
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,159
let's talk about the set date now, for the Terrence

1080
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:56,079
Crawford fight. Let's get Crawford up in the ring, and

1081
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,440
let's talk about September twelfth, which is Friday night.

1082
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: So that's interesting.

1083
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: He revealed a Llegiant stadium, he said the stadium, he

1084
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,239
means Allegiant Stadium, the Home of the Raiders, will be

1085
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,760
the place, all right, So tell me more now that

1086
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,000
we've had a little bit to digest this that about

1087
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,360
the official particulars and about the matchup, and they were

1088
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,320
right there in the ring together.

1089
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 3: Not a surprise. I mean, this has always been the

1090
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,079
plan when they did the four fight deal. It was

1091
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:22,719
always supposed to be we're going to do the Williams

1092
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,320
Skull fight. Then it's going to be Terrence Crawford back

1093
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,039
in America, and then it's, you know, whatever's going to

1094
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,440
take place in twenty twenty six, presumably in Saudi Arabia,

1095
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,119
although frankly wouldn't surprise me if if he does get

1096
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:37,320
past Terrence Crawford. I think it's a very good possibility

1097
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,800
that one of those twenty twenty six fights very well

1098
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,480
could be like a U Bank fight in the UK.

1099
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,199
Canelo has professed a desire to fight in places like Japan,

1100
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,960
and the UK before he retires, and certainly going to

1101
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,440
the UK to fight U Bank coming off the huge

1102
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,519
victory against Connor Ben, I would suspect that U Bank

1103
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,199
would fight again before then, But even if he didn't, whatever,

1104
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,760
that would be a huge event. But if you take

1105
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,159
a look at what's going to happen on September twelfth,

1106
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:03,559
I've always believe that Terrence Crawford may be biting off

1107
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:06,000
more than he can chew. And remember Terrence Crawford in

1108
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:07,880
August when he moved up to Junior mid Away and

1109
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,880
he fought madrom Off and he won the WBA title. Yeah,

1110
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,800
he won a close fight, but Terrence Crawford didn't look

1111
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,039
very good in that either, But he'd looked a lot

1112
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,119
better than Canelo Alvarez. Then when I saw them standing

1113
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,920
in front of each other, they looked about the same size.

1114
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,119
I mean, obviously Canelo was just in a fight and

1115
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,840
Crawford has not been training for a fight's always put

1116
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,039
on a few pounds, but in terms of their physical

1117
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,920
stature height wise, they were about the same. And uh,

1118
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,440
that version of Canelo that I saw Terence Crawford beats

1119
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,480
that version of Canelo Alvarice because Terrence Crawford is is

1120
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:41,360
is a much faster fighter, even though he's a little

1121
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,039
bit older, And it's it's one of those things where

1122
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:47,760
it's a lot about the freshness, you know, how where

1123
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,519
they are in their career. Terrence Crawford has not fought

1124
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,639
as long. He again, he may be older, but has

1125
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:54,960
not had as many fights, has not had as many

1126
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,960
tough fights, has not had that kind of physical grind.

1127
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,440
And and what I always think about, I mean about it,

1128
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,119
you can't even who knows how many number of rounds

1129
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:04,559
there has been sparring. I mean that's countless, the number

1130
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,039
of rounds of Janello and Crawford both have most likely

1131
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,679
sparred in their careers. But you look at things like

1132
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,480
the type of punishment that they've taken in fights. You know,

1133
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,119
Crawford has been in a couple of tough fights, but

1134
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,199
nothing the way that Canelo Alvarez has been in. So

1135
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,119
I really finally got that feeling when I'm watching the

1136
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:23,480
fight on Saturday, that Canelo is getting past it. And

1137
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,119
again I go back to the number of rounds Canelo

1138
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,599
Alvarez in his professional career. When he fought the fight

1139
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:30,400
on Saturday, round number twelve, of that bout was the

1140
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,239
five hundred and twentieth round of Canelo Alva's professional career.

1141
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:37,599
Terrence Crawford, despite being a few years older, has only

1142
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,320
got two hundred and forty five professional rounds. He has

1143
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,559
half the number of professional rounds as Canelo. That adds up.

1144
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,119
And so where as this fight originally when it was

1145
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:51,360
suggested by people, pee a lot of people laughed. I

1146
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,079
ain't laughing anymore, Okay, I mean, it's not the same situation.

1147
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,719
But I was there and watched Oscar de la Hooy

1148
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,280
as a massive favorite, it absolutely destroyed and it's retired

1149
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:04,400
by Manny Packet. Again, I'm not saying that's the same situation,

1150
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:10,079
But if you made me pick that fight today, I

1151
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:11,039
got Crawford, baby.

1152
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 4: I mean.

1153
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: And by the way, just to just to explain, they're

1154
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,880
doing this fight at the Allegiance Stadium. It will be

1155
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,159
the first ever boxing event at Allegiance Stadium. There had

1156
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,880
been conversations a few years ago about doing I believe

1157
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,639
it was the second fight. I can't remember. It was

1158
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:29,639
a second or third fight between Tyson Fury and they.

1159
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: Were talking about doing the third fight there because of

1160
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,119
social distancing and all.

1161
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,639
Speaker 3: That, But it didn't come to pass. So they're gonna

1162
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:36,119
do this fight at Allegian Stadium. And the reason it's

1163
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:37,840
on a Friday night is because there's going to be

1164
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,239
apparently they have a football game booked in there on Saturday,

1165
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,880
one of the college ball games that they have. And

1166
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,639
the other interesting thing that was announced by Turkey that

1167
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,239
and this is not a surprise. I think everybody expected this,

1168
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,480
but he just made it official. The fight will be

1169
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:55,039
promoted by TKO's group whatever they're gonna call it. Dana

1170
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:58,039
White and their team will promote this fight. So they're

1171
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:02,280
gonna obviously kick off their promotion entrance into boxing with

1172
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,719
literally the biggest fight in the world. And the thing

1173
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,000
that that I was thinking about also, TJ is and

1174
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:11,599
I've said this before, when you get to the mega

1175
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:15,880
fight many years ago, you got there and that was

1176
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,960
whatever happened, the guys could go on to greater glory

1177
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,920
and bigger deals and bigger fights and long careers. For example,

1178
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,199
and I'll just pick one randomly, when when Sugar Ray

1179
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,360
Leonard and Tommy Hearns had their first Mega fight, and

1180
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,800
that was, don't make any mistake about it, a mega

1181
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,039
Mega fight. The first Leonard Hearns fight. They were young men.

1182
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,519
Tommy was like twenty six, Ray was twenty three, and

1183
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:42,119
they both went on to greater glory. This is when

1184
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:44,320
you get to a fight like Gafford and Canelo. This

1185
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,119
is the endgame fight. This is probably I think this

1186
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,039
might you know, if he wins, I mean, maybe I'll

1187
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,360
fight again. But this is basically Crawford's at the end

1188
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,079
of his career. He waited out for this big money

1189
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:55,840
fight now, not to say he won never fight again

1190
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:59,079
and Canelo whatever happens, you know, it's not you know,

1191
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:00,760
I can tell when I interview him for the podcast

1192
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,920
before this fight that just happened, he was thinking about

1193
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,440
the end. It's mean over another two years away anybody.

1194
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: And he's made hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions

1195
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,880
of dollars in the ring, and he's got business ventures

1196
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,239
outside the ring. He's got a family, he's got other things.

1197
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,519
It's not going to go on forever.

1198
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: I agree.

1199
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: But the thing I was thinking about, besides the fact that, Okay,

1200
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,320
they'll have the Mega fight and it'll be don't make

1201
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,159
any mistake, It'll be a massive event, a huge event,

1202
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,039
no question about it. The stadium will have a zillion

1203
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:26,239
people there and it'll be great fun. I'll go to

1204
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,400
Vegas and cover that fight for sure, and it will

1205
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,440
be the endgame. And so I started to think to myself,

1206
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:36,760
once Crawford and Canelo happens, what's the big fight in

1207
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,320
at least in North America anyway?

1208
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 4: Like I don't.

1209
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,039
Speaker 3: I nothing came to mind, right, Not one fight that

1210
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:43,840
I thought of that was like a true mega fight,

1211
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,599
could I think at the moment. I mean, yeah, maybe

1212
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:49,280
in next year something will develop, but I couldn't tell

1213
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:49,880
you what it is.

1214
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,079
Speaker 1: All right, So that is coming in September. We got

1215
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,239
plenty of time to go over all of that later

1216
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,840
this year. And the good news is that's only four

1217
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,119
months away. It's not like we got to wait to

1218
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:01,079
December or January for that to happen. So that's that's

1219
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:01,920
part of the timeline.

1220
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 4: All right.

1221
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,599
Speaker 2: Let's go over the rest of the undercard real quick.

1222
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: If we've had a busy recap show, let's keep with

1223
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,719
the busyness. Badu Jack, I'll just roll call it real quick.

1224
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:14,519
Retain the WBC Cruiserweight title with a decision win. Jimi

1225
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:19,119
Mungia did get his revenge, although he looked a little.

1226
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,599
He was smarter with how he fought, but he looked

1227
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,920
a little apprehensive as well about him. I gonna get

1228
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,199
caught with the big punch. He got a decision win,

1229
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:29,639
and then Rayfield is ready to come with both thists on.

1230
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,480
Faa jagba. What are we doing here with the scoring?

1231
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaking of the scoring, I know it was like four

1232
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,280
a m. Literally in Saudi Arabia, but do we have

1233
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,440
anybody awake scoring that fight with Martin Bucoli because it

1234
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:45,920
ends up being a draw, all right, So give me

1235
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,039
the Rayfield rundown in the takes.

1236
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 4: Go all right?

1237
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 3: So badude, Jack, I mean, he's you know, he did

1238
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,880
a good job and it was that was actually probably

1239
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,599
that was a pretty good fight. Actually, I thought that

1240
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:57,519
was a nice fight to watch. Beadu Jack's always been

1241
00:53:57,519 --> 00:53:59,400
in a lot of good fights through the years. You know,

1242
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,119
he's like the old the old Guard. He's forty one

1243
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:04,920
years old. He hadn't fought for more than two years

1244
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,719
for various reasons, but he came back. He fought Noel McCallion,

1245
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,079
who also been off for a little while. This was

1246
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:13,519
sort of to decide who's the actual WBC Cruiserweight Champion,

1247
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,159
because they had switched places as champion and as champion

1248
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:18,199
in recess. And I'm not gonna bog down in all

1249
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:19,480
the nonsense, but at the end of the day, they

1250
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,519
put out a pretty good fight, and in the end

1251
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,440
the judges were all pretty much in agreement. You had

1252
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:28,119
two judges that gave the fight to bed Dude Jack

1253
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:30,719
one fifteen to one thirteen, so seven rounds of five,

1254
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,639
and the third judge had it one fourteen to one fourteen.

1255
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,000
I thought those were fine scores. I thought Jack eked

1256
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,960
it out. If you really really told me you thought

1257
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,360
that McCallion deserved to win, I couldn't really fight you

1258
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,159
about it, but I thought that bed dude Jack, you know,

1259
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,079
did just enough. A few flashier shots, maybe a few

1260
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:50,239
cleaner where we're very more eye catching. Let's say McCallion

1261
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,480
did some nice work on the inside, but you know,

1262
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:54,320
pretty good fight. And at the end, you know, Jack

1263
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,840
got the win, and we'll see what he does from here.

1264
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,760
I'm not sure what his next move is going to be.

1265
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,719
He's probably still going to fight because he didn't take punishment,

1266
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,000
and he looked in good condition and still moved well.

1267
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:06,800
Uh but uh, you know, beddue Jack's been a good

1268
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,400
fighter for a long time. Just not sure you know

1269
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,239
what that big fight is. I mean, can they get

1270
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:13,079
you know, I don't know is there going to be

1271
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:16,400
an Opataia fight or a Zerto Ramiras fight. Obviously they're

1272
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,199
being sort of geared towards each other, but maybe he

1273
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:21,519
can find his way into that. And the good news

1274
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:23,840
for him if that's the case, is because this fight

1275
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,599
was done with Turkey al Hic and obviously Opataia and

1276
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:29,679
h and Zero, they have fights that are coming up

1277
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,800
that are being done. Uh you know with that they've

1278
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,079
worked with Riad season and with Turkey and other fights

1279
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,239
and they've been doing They're doing the Opataia, They're going

1280
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,480
to try to do the Opataia zero fight of both

1281
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:42,159
them when their upcoming fights. So maybe they can do

1282
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:44,599
ultimately what will be I guess a four belt unification,

1283
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:46,800
so that'd be good. But anyway he gets to win

1284
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,599
and to come back, and then you get down to

1285
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,880
as you mentioned, into uh Haimimongia. He looked a little

1286
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,599
shaky early on. I mean, he obviously was maybe having

1287
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:59,599
all of that PTSD from being clabberd in that first

1288
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,280
back in December. But I also think there's something to

1289
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,880
be said, And I'm always willing to cut a fight

1290
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,079
or some slack when they go into their first fight

1291
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,239
with a new trainer where they've been told a lot

1292
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,400
of different things. Probably in the camp they've worked on

1293
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,559
a few different things. They've tried to refine some things,

1294
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,079
maybe break a few bad habits, that type of stuff.

1295
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,280
To me, it was very clear that he had done

1296
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,760
some of that with Eddie Renoso as his new trainer,

1297
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,159
he trained alongside Canelo. He was definitely better defensively than

1298
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:23,559
he's been.

1299
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:24,679
Speaker 2: You love my lines.

1300
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: He at least was making an attempt at defense with

1301
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,519
the hands up and so moving the head some and

1302
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:33,039
not being a stationary target. So yes, he was making

1303
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:34,599
it an attempt at defense Mongia.

1304
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,559
Speaker 3: So some people might say that was an improvement and

1305
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,400
he can maybe improve and get better going forward. Others

1306
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,159
may look at that and say he's still gunshot and

1307
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:44,880
maybe he's getting a little bit shotski. I'm not sure

1308
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,599
where I fall into that category. He definitely won the fight.

1309
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:49,159
It was a lot different of a fight than the

1310
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:51,239
first one. He didn't dominate in the same way that

1311
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,719
he did until the knockout. He did win the decision

1312
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,360
fairly wide nine to three on two cards. Eighty four

1313
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,639
was the third card that seemed about right to me.

1314
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,800
I had it once sixteen to one twelve in favorite Mangia.

1315
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,280
You know, at the end of the day, he put

1316
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,320
the mess aside and got the revenge that he needed.

1317
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,000
Where he goes from here for a big fight. You know,

1318
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,079
there's good names in the division he talked about I

1319
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,880
want you know, he said, Kayleb planing, he said, Edgar Berlanga.

1320
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:18,760
Those are type you know, good names out there. There

1321
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,079
are others. There's abilities in the division. Which was a

1322
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:22,920
fight that top rank was thinking about trying to do

1323
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:27,199
before he got knocked out. So he won't lack for opponents.

1324
00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:29,199
He's got a good name, he's got a fan base.

1325
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,800
There's there's quality guys that he can fight in the division.

1326
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,519
I'm just if I'm a Heimi Mungie, a guy I

1327
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,280
might be a little skeptical, skeptical about him winning any

1328
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,280
of those fights I just mentioned got but that's prize fighting.

1329
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:45,079
Speaker 2: And then a Jogba go ahead, JJ.

1330
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:46,559
Speaker 4: This fight pissed me off.

1331
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,639
Speaker 3: This first of all, when Martin McCauley gets the draw

1332
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:51,440
in the fight and he's like I would have won

1333
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,119
the fight if I had a longer training camp. I'm like,

1334
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:55,199
what the fuck are you talking about? Right, you fought

1335
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:59,159
on February twenty second in Rhea. Now, granted you took

1336
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:00,920
that on the short note, as we all know, that

1337
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:04,159
was when Dania de wag came down ill dropped out

1338
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:06,440
of the fight with Joseph Parker. Bacoley flew in on

1339
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:08,960
like two days notice, got there the morning of the fight,

1340
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,199
and got knocked out in the second round. Obviously, he

1341
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:13,159
didn't come in having had a full camp, weighed like

1342
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:15,519
three hundred pounds and uh, you know, and looked at

1343
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:19,000
when he got drilled. So this fight, though with the JABA,

1344
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:22,119
was already set for before that, and it was right

1345
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:24,480
after that knockout that they determined they were going to

1346
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:27,679
keep this fight going. So if you've lost on February

1347
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:31,519
twenty second, even if you have like a mandated break

1348
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,519
from contact due to your knockout loss, there's still plenty

1349
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:36,599
of time to have a real camp. And he came

1350
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:38,400
in basically in the same kind of shape as he

1351
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,079
did for the Trouble fight.

1352
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:44,199
Speaker 1: He looked physically terrible. I'm just looking, I'm double checking

1353
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:49,280
to your point that Baccoli weighed two eighty four when

1354
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,639
he fought Jared Anderson. You were there at ringside last August.

1355
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,039
He was three to ten for the Joseph Parker fight

1356
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,440
on two ninety nine the other night, and he looked

1357
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,639
a good untill twenty pounds overweight and slow because of it,

1358
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:04,440
that's his fault.

1359
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: So I watched that fight, and I thought that when

1360
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,119
Martin Bacoley let his hands go and he landed some

1361
00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:12,519
nice shots, you know, he's always going to be a

1362
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:15,800
dangerous fighter offensively if he lands, especially his right hand.

1363
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,440
But Faad Jagba just had that ramrod jab in his

1364
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:23,599
face the whole fight. I thought he boxed circles around him.

1365
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:26,599
I thought he won eight rounds to two. I could

1366
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:28,239
maybe see it seven rounds to three.

1367
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:28,639
Speaker 4: Fine.

1368
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 3: I thought that a Jagua basically dominated to the fight. Now,

1369
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,119
maybe the rounds that I thought Bacoli won he won

1370
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:37,400
more decisively because he might have landed a couple of

1371
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,239
big punches that were more eye catching. But I have

1372
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,000
no understanding of how a judge had a two judges

1373
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,880
had it ninety five to ninety five, ninety six to

1374
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,119
ninety four. I thought was like being generous to you know,

1375
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,639
that was in favor of a Jagua. I thought that

1376
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:54,000
was being generous towards Bocoli, So that really irritated me.

1377
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:56,840
I thought that a Jagua absolutely won the fight. I mean,

1378
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,360
if they did a rematch, so be it. I mean,

1379
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,119
it wasn't like a bad fight as heavyweight fights. Oh

1380
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:02,159
it was not a bad fight to watch. But I

1381
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:05,760
mean that's Mark mccoley who he is. You know again,

1382
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,239
I like Marin mccoley as a fighter because he's entertaining

1383
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,239
for the most part. But all the people that were

1384
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:12,480
losing their fucking minds after he beat Jared Anderson and

1385
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,039
even before that, you know that he's George Foreman and

1386
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:16,760
this he's that. I mean, get the fuck out of here.

1387
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:21,119
Just stop, stop, stop, stop the stop.

1388
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: And now some news here before we're done, because we've

1389
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,039
been busy, all right. This was interesting in the early

1390
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:35,119
morning hours in Saudi Arabia when they went to Anthony Joshua,

1391
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,719
and I believe it was during the Badu Jack fight

1392
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:40,400
that they went to him in between rounds prior to

1393
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,639
the Canalo fight, and Anthony Joshua revealed that he's not

1394
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:46,960
only been training, but that he's injured himself. Dan, I

1395
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,519
still don't know because I have not reheard the comments.

1396
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:53,199
Did he specify which elbow he hurt, because he was

1397
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:57,039
saying something about my jabs, like it was his left hand,

1398
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,440
his left elbow, But he says, I need surgery and

1399
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,039
it's going to be a few more weeks after surgery

1400
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:07,199
before I can begin to train again. Obviously, so put

1401
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:09,719
the Fury fight on the shelf right for the short

1402
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,400
term this summer. You would think you would sink the Fury.

1403
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 3: Fury's never has not officially announced he's coming out of

1404
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,559
retirement yet, and even if he does, he hasn't come on.

1405
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,199
I'm dealing with the facts. Okay, he's not retired, I

1406
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,440
get that, but he has not officially unretired, and even

1407
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,840
if he does do that, he hasn't said that. It

1408
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,719
is in fact the Joshua fight that he wants to

1409
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:32,360
make now. Obviously Joshua would like the Fury fight. But

1410
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:34,920
regardless of all that, as you mentioned, he said to

1411
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,679
Claudia Treos on the Zone interview that he had an

1412
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:41,320
elbow injury. I don't remember him specifying which elbow it is. Obviously,

1413
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,679
if it's his jab that was the problem that would

1414
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:46,000
be his left hand, and that he was going to

1415
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:48,840
have surgery sometime in May, which obviously we're now in May,

1416
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:53,000
so presumably sometime in the next few weeks, and that

1417
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:54,960
he would be out of the gym for as he said,

1418
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,960
six to eight weeks, which means if you let's say

1419
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,320
he has the surgery mid May, that's mid April, or

1420
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,559
you know, mid June rather is one month. Mid July

1421
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:05,760
is another month. Then you're gonna obviously gonna have a

1422
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,840
full camp coming back, and there's no setbacks. And just

1423
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,599
because you're out, maybe you might need a few more

1424
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:12,679
weeks compared to what they say, and maybe you can

1425
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:14,559
go a little earlier. But the point is if it's

1426
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,800
if it is an actual eight week situation where he's

1427
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,079
going to be sidelined from the gym, as I mentioned,

1428
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:22,119
you're not back in until sometime in like mid to

1429
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:22,960
late July.

1430
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,119
Speaker 2: The earliest.

1431
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: Well, but listen, TJ, there was never going to be

1432
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,960
the expectation that even if suddenly they made the fight

1433
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,679
with Joshua and and Fury, and Fury did end the

1434
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:38,800
retirement officially, I don't think it would have been this summer. Anyway,

1435
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,239
They'll probably would have waited to a little bit later

1436
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:46,000
in the year, and so hopefully he's okay, and uh,

1437
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:47,679
whatever he does, whether it's going to be a Tyson

1438
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:50,400
Fury fighter something else, get the elbow healthy and hopefully

1439
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,079
come back strong. I mean, obviously he's coming off the

1440
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:55,920
devastating knockout to Daniel Dua Uh, and I think a

1441
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,360
lot of people will look at his career as sort

1442
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,559
of hanging by a thread at the moment after what happened.

1443
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:02,480
But we'd still like to see a lot of us

1444
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:04,440
would like to see the Tyson Fury fight. They're both

1445
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,360
degraded at this point, but it's still a big deal

1446
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,880
for their country and for the heavyweight division.

1447
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:14,239
Speaker 1: All Right, and one more news item that it's not unexpected,

1448
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,119
but the WBO went ahead and officially stripped Sebastian Fundurra

1449
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,519
since we were last here, and that is because he's

1450
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:25,440
not going to fight their mandatory Xander Zaias. What else

1451
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,199
do we know, if anything about does this fast track

1452
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:33,400
at Zia's vacant title fight, et cetera go ahead?

1453
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 3: Well, it's not so much that it fast tracks what

1454
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,199
it does. It just sort of makes it official. We

1455
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,679
knew this was coming They put out their resolution on Thursday,

1456
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,000
saying that he had failed to comply with the order

1457
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,920
of the Zaias fight, so they therefore stripped him. They

1458
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,679
were I have to tell you, honestly, I've read a

1459
01:03:50,719 --> 01:03:52,800
lot of resolutions from a lot of sanctioning bodies in

1460
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,400
my day, and I was kind of taken aback actually

1461
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,280
where I thought they were a little bit rude about it.

1462
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,360
It's one thing if you strip the guy, okay, you're

1463
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,519
doing your thing. But they literally wrote, you know, in

1464
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:02,960
the end of that they always do, like the whole

1465
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,119
they lay out all the particulars and then at the

1466
01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:07,559
end they have like, here's what the upshot is, and

1467
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:09,280
they were like in the in that line it was

1468
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,480
mister Sebastian Fandora is hereby stripped of his WBO Junior

1469
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:17,280
Middleweight Champion status, effective immediately. But the word stripped was

1470
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,519
all the capital letters. It's like they're basically giving him

1471
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:21,239
the all caps.

1472
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 2: They were giving them they all caps.

1473
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 3: I was like, I think we got the message. So

1474
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,320
I feel like they could have maybe been a little

1475
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,320
more chill about it. But whatever, they stripped them of

1476
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,840
the title, not unexpected. He's gonna fight the rematch against

1477
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,239
him Zoo instead this summer. He still has the WBC title,

1478
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:39,480
that title he won against the Zoo because it was vacant,

1479
01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:42,079
in addition to winning the WBO belt from Zoo, so

1480
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,400
he still has that belt to fall back on. And

1481
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,119
in terms of Zius, instead of going through they canceled

1482
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,360
the purspitt obviously because its not gonna The fight's not

1483
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,079
going to happen between Fandor and Zoos, so that I

1484
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:54,000
mean Fandora and Zius. So that WBO canceled the purspid

1485
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,000
and that leaves Xander Zias, that the young Puerto Rican

1486
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,760
fighter from Florida who's twenty one and oh with top

1487
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:04,119
Rand to fight Jor Garcia Perez from Mexico to fill

1488
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:07,639
the vacancy. And obviously, if you've been following recent boxing results,

1489
01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:10,440
it was Garcia Perez who had a big, big upset. Yeah,

1490
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,159
he won a decision on April nineteenth, and he looked

1491
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,800
pretty good against Charles Conwell, who was a heavy favorite.

1492
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,239
He was already in the WBO rankings. That moved him

1493
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,519
up into a great position. And so that will be

1494
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:23,880
the fight and they'll, you know, whether they negotiate the

1495
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,039
deal or they make a pur spit on that that

1496
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:27,400
will be the next fight. It will be a lot

1497
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,320
easier to make Zius in that fight because the opponent

1498
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:32,960
is not a well known guy, doesn't command a lot

1499
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,840
of money necessarily, that should be a pretty easy fight

1500
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,400
to make, all things considered, And so that's what's gonna happen,

1501
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,920
and it's unfortunate. I never like to see a guy

1502
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:46,280
get stripped of a belt if it's unless it's absolutely necessary.

1503
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,840
And I get the mandatory I get the mandatory thing.

1504
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,760
But I don't think the people that we're saying Fandora

1505
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,199
is ducking Zias are just to me, they're just know

1506
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,000
nothings about boxing. It's still a business. And in most

1507
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:01,800
people's viewpoint in Tim Zu, having lost the two fights

1508
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,599
that he lost to Fundora in the first one and

1509
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:08,519
then the knockout against Ortazilayev, would still look at him

1510
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:12,679
as a much more difficult opponent compared to Zias, who

1511
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:14,679
is an excellent young fighter. But it's still not fought

1512
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:17,440
any top level opponents the way that Timsu has. So

1513
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,679
you know, it's like Samson Lukawitz, his promoter said to

1514
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,039
me before they actually got stripped, but when they made

1515
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:25,760
the point that we are going in the other direction

1516
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,559
to fight the fight against tim Zu. We respect Zias,

1517
01:06:29,559 --> 01:06:31,360
we think he's an excellent fighter. Good luck to him,

1518
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,320
and maybe we can see him down the road and

1519
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,360
we can unify if he ever wins a world title.

1520
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,199
So that's story of there.

1521
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:39,199
Speaker 2: Very good.

1522
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: So we have given you a bunch on this recap podcast.

1523
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: My goodness.

1524
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: We began the show saying it, let's say it again,

1525
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,599
thank God for the inn away Cardenas fight.

1526
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:52,239
Speaker 2: Which that's you know.

1527
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,679
Speaker 1: I played golf again this weekend, and I play a bunch.

1528
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 2: I enjoy it. You always hit a shot or two

1529
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:57,440
that makes you want to come back.

1530
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: That fight brought us all now we want to come

1531
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,679
back and watch again. As much as the other fights

1532
01:07:03,719 --> 01:07:06,239
may have been stinkers and not a lot of action,

1533
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,679
the Monster and Cardenas lived up to what we had

1534
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:11,840
hoped it would live up to.

1535
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:13,119
Speaker 4: Any good stuff.

1536
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,039
Speaker 3: To make one point about that, Yeah, the Times Square

1537
01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:21,360
card was sixty dollars on pay per view. The Canelo

1538
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,840
Alvarees card was sixty dollars on pay per view. The

1539
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,679
next night, you could have gone on to own and

1540
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,880
purchased both for the lolo discount. Price of only one

1541
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,599
hundred dollars or ninety dollars for the two or I

1542
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:35,519
mean not either or, but but in terms of in

1543
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:38,400
a way and cardenas if you have basic cable or

1544
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,400
even just a subscription the ESPN plus part of your

1545
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,360
regular subscription, that was no extra cost and it was

1546
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,920
worth one hundred million times more than what we saw

1547
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:47,760
in those two events.

1548
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,159
Speaker 2: They delivered.

1549
01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:52,559
Speaker 1: They delivered on that, all right, A little nostalgia update

1550
01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:59,480
real quick. That is tomorrow May fifth is Sinko Demio Holiday.

1551
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:04,840
And and we did on a previous occasion talk up

1552
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,159
Floyd Mayweather and Oscar dal La Joya just tease a

1553
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:10,239
little bit for the audience.

1554
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,679
Speaker 2: You were their ringside for that.

1555
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: And then we want them to go find the video

1556
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,399
on YouTube where you elaborate and talk about this. But

1557
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,199
this was I describe him in the YouTube video as

1558
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:23,520
full villain. This was Floyd, full villain against dal La

1559
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,720
Hoya with the sombrero on the red, white and green.

1560
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 2: Mexican trunks and shit. And this was and he put

1561
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:29,439
it on Oscar.

1562
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 3: This was the metamorphosis of Mayweather from pretty boy Floyd

1563
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,319
to money may This is where that changed, where he

1564
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:41,680
went from like you said, from you know, just regular Floyd,

1565
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:45,079
great fighter, full villain, great fighter and full villain. And

1566
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,119
that's one of the reasons, because of the differences in

1567
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:51,039
the personality between Floyd and Oscar, who really had no

1568
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:53,039
love for each other and had spent a lot of

1569
01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:56,119
time at top rank together, where Floyd was coming up

1570
01:08:56,119 --> 01:09:00,079
on a lot of Oscars undercarts. Anyway, it became by

1571
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:02,199
far and away at that point was the biggest fight

1572
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,960
in boxing, biggest richest fight there was to megastar. You know,

1573
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:08,920
Oscar was the megastar. Floyd was in the process of

1574
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,079
becoming a megastar in the in the parlance of wrestling,

1575
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,479
Oscar fighting Floyd put him over the same way Oscar

1576
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,720
fighting Pacio put him over. It went from Floyd doing

1577
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,640
you know, a few two three hundred thousand pay per

1578
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,640
views to doing you know a million plus time and

1579
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,000
time again. And that fight was a mega fight. And

1580
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:29,039
I've got lots to say about that on the YouTube video,

1581
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:29,520
all right.

1582
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,319
Speaker 1: So go to the YouTube video, full recap of it.

1583
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,680
We're pushing you there for the nostalgia a little bit

1584
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:35,239
and you'll love it.

1585
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 2: You get a full Dan was.

1586
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: Right there for the whole Fight Week the whole bit

1587
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:43,840
so again that was now eighteen years ago on Monday,

1588
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,039
May fifth, two thousand and seven. And now we're gonna

1589
01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:49,239
say to the audience, we're teasing again, We're selling all

1590
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:50,880
kinds of things. Dan at the end of the pod,

1591
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:56,560
be with us on Wednesday night, Eastern time US time

1592
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,840
will come your way live Wednesday night again on the

1593
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:03,239
YouTube channel. Go find the YouTube channel, make sure you're

1594
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:06,439
subscribed to be with us live Wednesday night, because, my friend,

1595
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,079
that is the anniversary of one of your favorite fights

1596
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:13,000
of all time. You were running outside twentieth anniversary twentieth

1597
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,119
anniversary May seventh of five of Diego Corrales, the late

1598
01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:22,520
Diego Corrales and the incredible tenth round come back reversal

1599
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,720
after being down what twice against Jose Luis Castillo to

1600
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:27,520
get the TKO.

1601
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,119
Speaker 2: We're gonna relive that you and I in long form

1602
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:32,319
on Wednesday.

1603
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 3: To unify lightweight titles in what is arguably, at least

1604
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,239
since they recorded video of fights, maybe the greatest fight

1605
01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:41,560
in the history of boxing. And I say that as

1606
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,079
not an exaggeration, ORB and.

1607
01:10:44,039 --> 01:10:47,359
Speaker 1: So we will do it justice by doing a full

1608
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,560
YouTube recap nostalgically, nostalgically a word late Sunday night.

1609
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: Sure, why not, let's go, let's go. Let's go with that.

1610
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: So Wednesday night, as you hear us on this pod,

1611
01:10:57,039 --> 01:11:00,479
off the weekend, find us on the YouTube page Big

1612
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,359
Fight Weekend YouTube page. We're gonna do it live like

1613
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,039
Bill O'Reilly and that meme, We'll do it live. We'll

1614
01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:09,800
do it live, he's screaming, we'll do it live on

1615
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:14,600
Wednesday night for Corles Castillo one and the twentieth anniversary.

1616
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 2: And Big Dan was right there all.

1617
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,239
Speaker 1: Right with that again, rate us in review us. Take

1618
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:22,159
a screenshot of that. If you have not rate used

1619
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:25,640
and reviewed us recently, take a screenshot of subscribing to

1620
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,880
the YouTube page. We're gonna give something away here off

1621
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,319
the weekend, a little what did you say? A chatsky,

1622
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,319
a knick knack, a something cool of memorabilia stature from

1623
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,920
a Vegas fight to one winner stand by and we

1624
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,279
appreciate all the peeps bearing here with us.

1625
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: What a finish to the weekend.

1626
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,319
Speaker 1: It wasn't a great weekend on Friday and Saturday, but

1627
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:49,000
a great finish to the weekend within away the monster

1628
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:51,000
and what he did as the undisputed one hundred and

1629
01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:55,239
twenty two pound champ. You and I will reload off

1630
01:11:55,279 --> 01:11:59,960
the pod. Let's reconvene Wednesday night for this Corals Castille

1631
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,000
Nostalgic look back twenty years later live on the YouTube page.

1632
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,760
We're promoting again only on the YouTube page exclusively nowhere else,

1633
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:09,800
and then it'll live there on demand. If you're not

1634
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,119
with us live, you'll be able to still see it

1635
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,640
on the YouTube page, even if it's Thursday, for example,

1636
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,399
or later in the week. We look forward to it, Dan,

1637
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,479
anything else or are we good for the weekend? One

1638
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,479
a weekend finisher. Let's say we're good.

1639
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 4: I gotta go run my story.

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Speaker 2: I know you're writing up on the substack.

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Speaker 1: Follow in subscribe on the substack and the newsletter as well.

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Make sure you're subscribed up. You'll read more of what

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you just heard for now, though, we are good with

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the full recap off the weekend until we talk to

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you on the YouTube page live Wednesday night.

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Speaker 2: Be there with us.

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Speaker 1: We are good for now on the Fight Freaks U

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Nite Recap pod.

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Speaker 2: Ye