Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, what a weekend. Well, we really should say
what a cap to the weekend?
Speaker 2: My lord?
Speaker 1: Was it crazy in Las Vegas and the Tea Mobile
Arena where Naoya in a way?
Speaker 2: The Monster was down Dan Rayfield and in some trouble.
Speaker 1: But once again rallies to win yet another title defense,
another undisputed title defense. We're gonna talk about that. We're
gonna talk.
Speaker 2: Oh, we're gonna talking about the whole weekend.
Speaker 1: But my lord, we are both pumped late Sunday night
having watched this fight. Thank you for finding us on
the pod feed. I know we are all over the
place technology, social media, the YouTube page that we're underway on,
but here we are on the podfeed, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify
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somewhat competent host TJ.
Speaker 2: Reeves.
Speaker 1: I mean I'd be in the bed before three am
because of that fight we just watched. Hello Insider, Dan Rayhaield,
Fight Freaktion Night, substack and newsletter. Anything to talk about,
write about after we saw that with the Monster welcome
in opening fought here real.
Speaker 3: Quick, God blessed in a way and Cardennis who salvaged
a horrible weekend and made it one of the most
memorable fights of the year so far, a spectacular action fight.
Just God thanked them so much for doing it. I mean,
because I mean, I'm not joking.
Speaker 4: I say this.
Speaker 3: When I woke up on Sunday, still thinking about the
fucking garbage Canelo fight, and still with the Friday night
show on my mind, which we'll all get to all that,
I was actually pissed off about it, and I didn't
have I thought, in a way and Cardenas would be entertaining,
just because anyways, always in entertaining fights, I didn't think
it would be what we just saw. And you know,
and let's also not forget about the the tremendous offensive
mind the performance in Raphael Espinosa retained Featherwick Tedle will
get to that, and his opponent Edward Vasquez, who showed
a lot of heart and a lot of balls in
that fight. So this was in the end, if you
looked at scorecards, some one sided fights. But in practicality,
these were fun and entertaining, exciting fights where the champions
did get pushed to some degree.
Speaker 2: And it's why we love this sport.
Speaker 1: It is the theater, the unexpected, as your colleague Larry Merchant,
the fame Larry Merchant once uttered about ten different times
on HBO and it was wild tonight. All right, let
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Card where Ryan Garcia lost. Oh, by the way, that
was not a month ago, right, that was two nights ago.
He lost. You and I are going to recap that.
We're also going to recap Canello, who did not look great.
We'll have opinions on this. How much of it was
the time difference fighting early in the morning, how much
of it was William Skull running and hiding and not
trying to fight him. We're going to discuss that. You
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Speaker 2: All of that is out of the way. Let's get
into it.
Speaker 1: Undisputed one twenty two pounds title defense for the Monster
in Las Vegas. We've already tipped it. He was down
early in the fight. He was in trouble at the
end of that round and round two, but then got
his legs back under him, got the firepower back under him.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: We did not know a lot about Cardenas from San Antonio,
but he showed some power, he showed some heart. In
the end, the monster wins, all right, I set it up,
give me some more thoughts.
Speaker 3: Well the second round it was the same exact thing
that happened to him when he fought Luis Near It
now near. He was a bigger name, a former two
division world champion. Obviously, he was well known in Japan
for his past exploits. There they drew a massive crowd
to the Tokyo Doman. He put in a way on
his ass for the first time in his career with
the short, little left hand. Cardenas basically landed the exact
same punch in the second round, and he had in
a way hurt and kind of shocked, and it was
like wow, you know, nearly I think a lot of
people could have seen that happening because of his pedigree
and his past performances.
Speaker 4: And and that.
Speaker 3: But Cardenas, even though he came with the reputation for
a good punching, he did not come with the reputation.
Not his fault, but he had never faced anybody. He
didn't have any big wins. Nobody really knew much about
him other than that he could punch, he had a
good corner and his trainer, Joel Diez, who was a
well known and very highly regarded trainer. But other than that,
you know, anyways, coming back to America, you know, it's
kind of expected that it's going to be maybe a
good fight, but it gonna be an in a way
knockout with not a lot of problems. Well, he had
a lot of problems there in a round number two.
And by the way, even besides round number two, Cardenas
definitely caught him with some other punches during the fight,
but in a way, just had a tremendous attack body shots,
a lot of combinations. He's a great body puncher. I
was actually surprised there was a couple of ones that
he landed. I was surprised that Cardenas was able to
stand up to the round six. If you fast forward
from the knockdown round to get to round six, you
had a tremendous back and forth. I mean, this was
probably one of the rounds of the year so far. Great.
They were just blasting away. In a way, was teeen off.
That was a round where you're like, I can't believe
this that Cardenas is still standing.
Speaker 4: And then I kicked did you the.
Speaker 2: Four letter tax g E E z gs you did
after that sixth round?
Speaker 4: Go ahead, I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: And then in the seventh round, and at this point,
in a way, he seems to be back in charge,
but you're always like, okay, he might be able to
land that left hand again.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And in the seventh round it was in a way
who was kind of all over him. Uh, just hit
him with hooks and body shots. It was like maybe
about a minute left or uh, thirty thirty seconds left
in the round or so, and you know, he was
all over him and he put him on the canvas
in the corner. And at that point you're like, okay,
he's got this fight under control. He did get up,
but the round, you know, only had a few seconds left,
so it ended. And then I found it very interesting.
DJ They had the audio in Cardenas's corner after round
number seven, after he got knocked down, and Joel Diaz,
you know, said that he was losing and he was
falling behind and this and that and that. By the way,
I'm gonna give you one more round where I'm gonna stop.
But I thought that was a little melodramatic. I didn't
know if it was to that point just yet. But
it turned out not to matter, because in the round
that followed round number eight, you had him getting battered
and finally.
Speaker 1: The monster jumped all over him fifteen to twenty seconds
into the round.
Speaker 3: And then just you know, the referee jumped into Thomas
Taylor with a perfect stoppage. By the way, so you
was at forty it was at forty five seconds of
the eighth round.
Speaker 2: Okay, you thought it was perfect.
Speaker 1: I thought he could have been a punch or two premature,
just from the standpoint that Cardinius was still ducking, still
had his guard up.
Speaker 2: The last punch.
Speaker 1: That in a way tried to throw completely missed him.
I understand he hurt him, he's in the corner.
Speaker 4: I don't think I think you have to take into.
Speaker 2: I'm not bloodthirsty, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I think you had to take into account the punishment
that he'd been taking, true, not only in the first
few seconds of that round, but also that the complete
destruction that he was taking at the end of the
seventh round.
Speaker 1: And back up, you back up, like to the end
of the sixth round, he hurt in a way with
a shot to the body. For a second I thought
had him on the ropes, backed up, hit him two
or three more times, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: He was taking punishment. I have no problem with for sure,
no problem with that stoppage. And I'm looking at the
official scorecard, and in fact, when the fight was stopped,
you had no in a way was ed sixty eight
to sixty three on all three scorecards. So all the
judges gave Cardenas a ten to eight round in round
number two, and then the judges gave Way a ten
eight round in round number seven, and all the rest
of the rounds in which there were no knockdowns, they
were all given to in a way ten to nine,
which was ideal. I mean, I don't think anybody could
argue with That'll be some dopey boxing then the will
argue that. But for the most part, that was perfect
scoring and I have no problem with the stoppage. Cardenas
didn't complain about it. He actually spoke in the interview afterwards,
was happy to have given a good fight. And you
know what, I've said this many times, when you go
out there and you do what he did, even in
this type of loss, he gained more notoriety, more fans.
He'll gain more opportunity off of this loss than he
did in any of his previous victories. And that's the
name of the game, because now he's going to be
a known commodity. Whenever he gets in the ring over
the next however long, you know, a few fights or whatever,
it will always be. Hey, that's the guy that knocked
in a way on his as almost knocked him out
in a big time fight. He'll make more money, he'll
gain more fans, and he you know, you can sometimes
create a better career off of a loss if you
do so in a in a gallant and exciting way.
And that's exactly what happened. In other words, he's the
anti William.
Speaker 2: Skull, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk more about what Skull didn't do and
how we'll likely never see him again on a big
stage for that reason later in the pod. A couple
of more things about this again. Electric atmosphere in Vegas
on a Sunday night, a rare Sunday night type show,
and the Monster delivered, I mean, the Monster was in
trouble a couple of times and delivered, so he deserves
a lot of credit. I mean what we got. We
can't talk enough about how great this guy is. It's
now what twenty three title fight wins in a row,
and I believe twenty one by knockout.
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you right now.
Speaker 3: He is now twenty five and oh in world title
fight twenty five, twenty five and oh with twenty five
three knockouts. He's won world titles in four weight classes,
two of them he has been four belt on disputed champion,
and he has done it in a very exciting way.
Speaker 1: That is that is eleven straight knockouts in title fights
since the don air As first fight in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Eleven straight KOs.
Speaker 3: He's the truth and by the way, Fortinas nothing but
the Truthdenas has now just the two losses he lost,
you know, a majority decision back all the way in
twenty seventeen. Since that loss, he up until tonight when
we're taping this, he had won fourteen fights in a row.
Now we know what they were, not against the top names,
but he put together obviously a very good stretch and
one way you can kind of tell if a guy
is like can actually fight. Is anytime I see Samson
Lukawitz in the guy's corner, that's an indication that he's
a real Now, he may not become a superstar, but
I've known Samson twenty five years. Samson does not sign
guys that can't fight. He signs guys that can fight.
You know, he's he was responsible for our Sergio Martz
and for Sembastian Fondora, Gabriella Fondora. He's the one that
helped bring Manny pakiaout to the United States in the
first place. I mean, you can go chapter and verse.
So you know when I see him show up in
the corner with the kardenis, you know, at the very
least you know he's competent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was more than that.
Speaker 1: Deserves a lot of credit, a lot of heart. Knocked
the monster down. All right, So let's get to what's next.
The monsters said in the ring mj Akmadalia.
Speaker 4: That's a done deal, all right, elaborate go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So just a couple of days ago, during the
week of the fight, and actually I think they mentioned
on the broadcast, and in a way was kind of
upset that that was announced. But Ayad talked the top
rank earlier in the week, and this was expected. I mean,
it's a WBA mandatory. The idea was he's gonna he
had won the fight in January on the against the
late replacement for the injured Sam Goodman, then he was
gonna come here to fight the Cardenas fight, and then
it's back to Japan for a fight in mid September
against Achmadaliaf, who was the WBA mandatory and has been
long awaiting his opportunity, probably the best guy at one
hundred and twenty two pounds that anyway has not yet fought.
So anyway, that deal had been agreed to quite a
while ago, but finally that the paperwork was signed. It's
a provision of services agreement where they make a deal
with Akmadaliev's team to basically provide his services. And that's
now signed, sealed and delivered. So he will go back
to Japan for the mid September fight, have that bout,
and if that bout is successful for him, you know,
anything can happen. But the plan, at least on paper,
not necessarily one hundred percent, but again not a secret.
He's going to go to Saudi Arabia, and fight probably
in December. He's got if you notice he had a
read season on his trunks. Yes, he's been sponsored by Turkey.
He's got a relationship with them. Now my understanding is
when he did that deal with Turkey, it was not
part of that deal was there was no thing where
you have to come fight in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 4: It was a strictly a sponsored deal.
Speaker 3: But they have a relationship and he's going to go
fight in Saudi Arabia and make a big bag of money.
And they've talked about whether this happens or not about
him potentially fighting against Nick Ball for the WBA featherweight title,
and then if he wins that, I'm not sure he
would stay at featherweight or come back to one twenty
two because he did say in his interview pre fight
about you know, would the Nakatani fight happen, and he
did say yes, and it would be at one twenty two,
so he look. The bottom line is if anyway keeps
on doing his thing, he's got some huge fights. Ach
mcdallia is a very good matchup. Nick Ball is a
great matchup. Nakatani's a mega fight in Japan, and then
there's other guys. There's Espinoza who we can talk about.
There's they're talking about Shushu Carrington, this, that and the other.
Hopefully he'll come back to America again and not stay
away for another four years. I'm not saying he's a
come here and fight every fight, but go do your
thing in Japan, have your big fights here. If in
a way fought three times a year, I think would
be a beautiful thing. If you could go there, maybe
have two fights a year in Japan and have at
least one fight here in America once a year.
Speaker 2: Don't disagree. Hey, one more thing and we are going
to move along here.
Speaker 1: But this was again the most recent thing, and we're
putting the podcast out Sunday night into Monday. We left
the recap pod last week saying, you bank Ben probably
front runner for fight of the year.
Speaker 2: Where does this belong? Is this right behind?
Speaker 3: It is a It was a heck of a fight,
but it ain't won a I mean, don't forget the
Taraji against a Coho. We fight from March again. Look,
I'm not going to overstate this. This was a very
good fight, but it is not again to me, and
I've been picking fights of the year for literally twenty
five years. It's a hell of a fight. Maybe it
finds its way into an honorable mention that you know
at the end of the year. But I would not
even think about this as a fight of the year
at the moment.
Speaker 2: Ben and you Bank.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, this is still a notch above what we
saw tonight, But that doesn't mean that what we saw tonight.
Speaker 3: Was Again We're we're in early May, so we're not
even halfway through the year. So if I had just
to this point right right, I would say, Ben and
you Bank, and then I'd probably have the flyweight fight
I just mentioned.
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, so you mentioned the name Rafia Lspinoza.
As we do this now kind of in real time.
He won the co feature fight a dominant performance. This
guy goodness for a featherweight rangey, tall, big reach, big punch, impressive.
Speaker 2: That's what I saw. Tell me what you saw in
the co feature.
Speaker 4: I saw the same thing. I saw.
Speaker 3: Guy who knows how to use his power. He's a
very tall fighter, but he he loves to get inside.
You know, a lot of times a guy's a tall fighter,
they like to stick on the outside. You know, keep
the guy under control with their jab and make it
kind of easy on themselves. But for a guy that's
six foot one, one hundred and twenty six pounds, you know,
he can use the jab and he can stay on
the outside at times. But his nature, it seems like
what he likes to do is to get in there
and bang it out, and he likes to kind of
dip down and rip upper cuts and you know, do
things you don't usually see the big, tall fighters do.
But that makes it fun for the fans. And obviously
he figured out Vasquez could not really do much damage
to him when he took a few punches at the
beginning of the fight. He won every single round, just
was banging away, banging away, banging away. When the fifth
round is over, Harvey Dack, who was the referee for
the fight, went to the Vasquez corner and told him, look,
you got to show me something.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: At that point, he's got blood coming out of his nose,
he's got you know, faces.
Speaker 4: All marked up.
Speaker 3: He looks like he's been through the meat grinder. At
that point, he was taking a tremendous amount of punishment.
The left hooks and the upper cuts were doing some
tremendous damage and he did catch Espinozo with some shots,
but they weren't doing anything. I mean, he was just
walking right through everything. Yeah, and uh, anyway, when they
got to the seventh round, you know, he's you know,
he's asked us cut on the bridge of the nose.
He's got a big mouse swelling under purple, all messed
up underneath his left eye, and he's just taken a
tremendous amount of punishment in the corner and Harvey Dock
stepped in and stopped the fight. This was a one
sided ass kicking. But what what made it, first of all,
was entertaining because they were throwing a lot of punches,
and I think we're all excited because of all the
terrible fights we saw previous this weekend. But even if
it's one sided in terms of the way the scoring
is going, it does move you to some degree in
an emotional way because you see the tremendous heart and
and the grit that that Vasquez, Edward Vasquez was showing.
So you got to respect that. So that's sort of
what makes the drama like this. This guy's you know,
fighting basically, you know, as hard as he possibly can.
He's letting it all hang out. And that's look one
thing that I think we can we can We have
a as fans, we have a right to expect.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: I don't expect a fighter to you know, and don't
want to see a fighter get injured in the ring anything,
that's that terrible, okay, But what we what we have
a right to expect as the as the customer, as
the fan, for the fighter, both of them to give
their best effort. And there's a lot of times that
come away from fights, and I don't feel like that's
the case when you watch what Edward Vasquez did, who
may not ever be a world champion, who may not
have the elite skills, but one thing he does have
is something inside him that allowed him to go in
the ring against all odds and give everything he possibly
could and give a great effort.
Speaker 4: And I respect that, all right.
Speaker 1: So that leads me just to one more question here
real quick, and then we're going to get to recamping.
What else went on this weekend? Espinoza? You mentioned maybe
in a way somewhere deeper down the road, not immediate,
not this year.
Speaker 2: What else for him?
Speaker 1: When do I mean we logically we're going to see
him later in the year, perhaps unification.
Speaker 3: I mean that's I guess possible. Top Rank has involvement
with Angelo Leo, who is one of the title holders.
He's got the IBF. Well, he has a title defense
coming up at the end of May that's going to
be in Japan. If he's successful in that fight, maybe
Top Rank and I guess Probox is a partner with
him on Angelo Leo, that maybe they can make that
as a unification fight. That would be obviously quite interesting.
Obviously they've been promoting and pushing Bruce Shushu Carrington, who's
got a number one ranking and I think in the WBO,
so that could be a mandatory fight. I don't think
Carrington's ready for that at this point point. He's a
hell of an up and coming fighter, but that's a
big step up from what he's been facing. But look,
he's was a top amateur, he's got quick hands, he's
got good power. I would I would be and that
would be a good promotion, So that may be a possibility.
So look there one thing about Espinos is I don't
care who he fights. He's going to be in something
that's worth watching.
Speaker 1: A lot of offense there from him. All right, So
now let me explain this just briefly for a second.
You love it when we pull the curtain back, Peeps
and savages. You are now going to hear our recap
that we did Friday night. We get there's a YouTube
exclusive in the aftermath of the fatal Fury Card Times
Square where Devin Haney did not look good but won,
Ryan Garcia looked poor and lost, Teya Fimo Lopez looked
the best of anybody. So again, if you were already
with us on YouTube, amazingly similar comments that you're about
to hear again. But we realize also the pod audience
is a different audience the podcast audience here on the recap,
so this is probably new to a lot of you.
I'm just prefacing this that this is Friday Night. You're
gonna hear venom from Big Dan and from me about
how bad the fatal Fury Card really was overall, and
then that's gonna lead into the Canelo Alvarez recap. Now,
full disclosure, we did that recap earlier on Sunday, before
we knew what happened with the Monster fight, etc. Canello
again did not look great, Dan's got some strong comments.
Speaker 2: How am I doing on my teas?
Speaker 1: Dan's got some strong comments about Canelo and what we saw.
So again, I'm just saying to the audience, you're about
to hear things that we've kind of already done, and
we just worked the pod out this way to save
time and get it up quicker on Sunday night after
the Naway fight. So there you go, and then you
and I have a little fight news and we're about
done for the weekend. But for the pod audience, now
the recaps roll on Friday night first from Times Square,
Saturday night from Saudi Arabia with Canelo. You'll hear all
of that right now. A stunner and there is no
other way to put it. Ryan Garcia has lost tonight
in New York City to Roly Romero, a twelve to
one favorite when we handicap this fight on our bet
Us show.
Speaker 2: Has lost.
Speaker 1: He has thrown the potential rematch with Devin Haney into turmoil.
What's gonna happen there? All right, let's.
Speaker 2: Begin right there.
Speaker 1: I mean, he got knocked down in the second round,
and I'm saying this, he was not the same fighter
after that. They were commenting on the broadcast, What are
your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Well, first, I'm going to address the first thing you
said about him. I glad I didn't go because I
thought about going. I was going to go to the
fight and go up for the weekend to New York
and cover this. And I'm glad that I didn't, actually
because when I heard a way that the media was
going to be seated and disrespected, I'm glad I made
that decision instead of wasting my money and time to
go cover this in person. I actually probably had a
better situation being in here in my office because they
put the media no exaggeration in the hard rock in
Times Square apparently with very little or no internet access,
and then some spillover at the Bubba Gum Shrimp factory
in Times Square. Who needs that nonsense? I mean, give
me a break.
Speaker 1: So they did not even have them to where they
could see the fight live. They're literally watching displaced on TV.
And are you serious at the Bubba Gum Shrimp.
Speaker 3: Unless the reporter that I texted with who's a good
friend of mine, was full of shit.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, but the Bubba Gump Shrimp may have
been better than this fight card.
Speaker 4: Tonight.
Speaker 2: But I'm bumped while we.
Speaker 1: Crack off back to the what was the question the
questions on the screen, How did this happen to Ryan
Garcia tonight?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, before I even get to that,
you said that the that it was fatal to the
Romero or to the Ryan Garcia Devin Hainey remaxing could be,
but not necessarily because crazy things happen, and if they
just said fuck it and decided to make the rematch anyway,
it wouldn't be a total shock. Although I must say
I can't think of a card where I've seen two
guys devalue themselves so much. Yes, with their performance guys.
Speaker 1: More on that when we talk about Haini's performance in
the rub what but what happened to Ryan Garcia in
your estimation night? Was it the knockdown that then made
him tentative for the rest of the fight.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's certainly I think part of it. He
got hit with two nice left hooks, but he I
didn't think he was that badly heard he got up.
It didn't seem like he was about to be knocked
out or anything like that. I mean, he's been knocked
down before, He's always come through in those situations other
than the Tank Davis fight. But I mean, he got
knocked down by Lou Campbell to my recollection, so it
was the first time he's ever been on the floor,
and he came through. I just think that the Ryan Garcia,
who lived such a hard life the past year, filled
up with peds for the fight against Haniback last April.
Whether you believe that he was doing it on purpose
or it was there and he didn't know about it, whatever,
he had peds running through him. And then we all
watched very publicly as he spent the next you know,
many months melting down, both before that fight and after,
with the arrest and with the drinking and with the drugs,
and with the mental health problems and the racial and
you know slurs that he went crazy with on on
social media. I mean, you know that shit catches up
to you, and you know, maybe he had a good camp,
Maybe he was in good She looked in good shape.
I mean, he was also coming up a little bit
in wait for where he'd been fighting. Naturally, this was
the heaviest he had ever waged in for a boxing
match in his entire career.
Speaker 4: That may be part of it.
Speaker 3: I feel like Roly Rameiro, who was also moving up
in Wait, I feel like he carried that weight. He
looked much stronger at welterweight than Ryan did. He looked
sticker on his back, his bought his legs. You know,
he just looked more built and in better shape than
Ryan Garcia. And I didn't think that Rolly fought like
a lights out kind of fight. He fought at his
typical slow pace, and the onus was on Ryan Garcia
to really, you know, to be dynamic like he is.
He never landed a single one of his really electrifying
left hooks. Couple landed, but nothing. It wasn't the A
level one. And Rolly was able to fight at that nice,
comfortable pace for the entire twelve rounds, got up to
a lead and just kept pushing forward. I thought Derek
James did a great job in Ryan Garcia's corner because
as early as I want to say, maybe like the
seventh round or something like that, he was already urging
him on about you got to do with this, you
got to do that. He was understanding what was unfolding immediately.
He didn't have to wait till like round eleven and
round twelve. And Ryan maybe he listened, but he certainly
could not execute the things that Derek was asking him
to do, so he just threw no punches. It was
I saw what they mentioned, I think on the broadcast.
It was of the fifteen thousand plus matches that compe
Box has tracked in forty years, the third fewest punch
is thrown for two fighters combined in a twelve rounder. Ever,
so props to Roly. He won that fight, and he
did it the way he wanted to do it, but
it was not a good fight. It was not a
good card.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the whole the whole thing's a mess. And
we're going to back up to Devin Haney and back
up to Tea Femo Lopez and Ta Fimal Lopez turns
out to be the fighter of the night.
Speaker 2: He was impressive. The rest my god.
Speaker 3: I mean, Ryan Garcia though as the star of the
show comes in in the batmobile going out.
Speaker 4: Like the joker.
Speaker 2: Very good line. You've been waiting on that one for
about an hour.
Speaker 4: I actually just thought of it, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: And then and then after the fight, he was so
matter of fact in the ring there on the own
pay per view, like, hey, tip, tip your hat to
Roly Romeiro, just give him credit.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a good night.
Speaker 4: I mean almost. I can appreciate the honesty there.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but I mean it, I mean and
I mean. Dereck James to me was almost in like
the ninth and the tenth round, like what are you doing?
Speaker 2: You want me to say it? What are we doing here?
What are you doing? He even said to him, do
the things that we've.
Speaker 1: Worked on in the camp, go back to what we've
worked on in the camp.
Speaker 3: I don't believe this is this is not this is
not a loss that's on the trainer, Okay, I mean
clearly not a loss on the trainer. So I think
Derek James, uh, you know, did everything he could to
bring out the best in Ryan Garcia. And Ryan was
an unwilling uh willing to cooperate and what he.
Speaker 4: Was asking for.
Speaker 3: And really that's whether it was by design or maybe
he just couldn't do it, because, as I mentioned, when
you do all the kinds of things to your life
and your mentality and your body and all the things
he was doing the past year, you know that's gonna
catch up to you and your actor had told together,
and you're fighting with a guy who was seemed somewhat
determined and has good punching power and and was in
good shape. And as as as Roy had discuss and
the lead up to the fight, he should have moved
up to this weight a while ago. So maybe he's
better served at one forty seven. I mean, we saw
him gett knocked out at one. You know, in the
two fights ago. He looked absolutely horrible in that fight,
and maybe there's something to be said for putting on
a few extra pounds and being a little more sturdy
and not as drained when you get to the ring atmosphere.
Speaker 1: Do you think the lack of an atmosphere maybe hindered
this in some way? Certainly the last two fights lacked
anything to give any body cheer.
Speaker 4: You can't tell me.
Speaker 3: I mean, I listen, I'm gonna put it like this.
I give a lot of credit to the folks Turkey
and his whole team that organized. And you know, the
idea of putting this event in Times Square very cool.
I mean in in in your mind it's like, wow,
that's really amazing, and it was. It was a great idea.
I mean, a fight in Times Square, like that's pretty cool.
But and I don't know if they knew how it
was gonna unfold or whatever, but it in the actual
execution of it, it was unfortunate because when you only
have a couple hundred VIPs, the fact that you're in
the center of the busiest area, like you know, a
couple of streets and the entire world. Maybe it sounded
like there was like there was church on a Sunday
at times because the crowd wasn't making any noise. The
fans who were maybe gathered around were not allowed to
watch it.
Speaker 2: They couldn't say anything.
Speaker 3: Well I was gonna say, is we spoke about on
the pre fight podcast. Because of an ordnance in New York,
which I'm not sure why they didn't know about it
or what happened. They made them put up the red
wrapping around the chain link fence so the folks standing
on the outside couldn't see in. That was like an
ordinance because of they didn't want people that it's like
a driving thing to for save driving. And furthermore, they
forced them and maybe they changed it. But I didn't
notice any shots of the jumbo trons. They didn't allow
them to show the fights on the jumbo trons, so
it's like you put it in the middle.
Speaker 2: They might agreed.
Speaker 1: They kept showing the crowd, but the crowd could not
see the fight on the sidewalk. All the people waving
that just looked like tourists who were waving in the
background of the today.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of cool, but again, if you can't
see it, like, I don't know, I keep thinking to myself, like, again,
I don't knock the idea. I'm all for, you know,
interesting things and new ideas. I embraced that.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a cool idea when I heard
about it. But now looking back and you're like, wouldn't
that have been better like in Madison Square Garden. I
mean maybe because they had been doing but nonetheless.
Speaker 1: Soldier line short. They could have had it in a
bar in Iowa. They could have had it in a
in a street in uh Charlotte, North Carolina, and it
didn't matter if the fans couldn't see it. All right,
let's get into Devin Haney and Jose Ramirez, another dreadful fight.
Speaker 2: There's no way to sugarcoat this.
Speaker 1: We keep it real and we're we're live here on
this fightj It's awful.
Speaker 2: It's awful. So what happened?
Speaker 1: And do you buy into what Jim Lampley and Antonio
Tarbor we're talking about right away? Lampley especially that Devin
Haney looks like not only ring Ross, but he looks
gun shy from what Ryan Garcia did to him, and
that dictated what didn't happen for the next twelve rowns.
Speaker 3: I think absolutely Devin Haney was petrified of the left
hook because the one punch that Jose Rimirez does possess
that can do a lot of damage as a left hook.
I mean, he's had that ever since the amateur days.
I remember watching Jose Rimirez as an amateur and as
a young professional. I was at his professional debut as
a matter of fact, and watching his left hook and
thinking that I might be seeing like the second coming
of the Oscar de la Hoya left hook. I mean
never really became that, but I'm making the point that
if he was ever going to do any damage against Hani,
it was going to be on that hook that caused
him so many problems in that fight with Ryan last year.
So yeah, I think there's something to be said with
that look to me, Jose Rimirez, and I've said this
many times, he's a beautiful human being. He's a wonderful person,
a charitable guy, absolutely as likable as you can ever
get in boxing. Just a decent human being. I like
him a lot. I guess I've known him his entire career.
I've watched his career go down the slide downward over
the last several fights in terms of even when he's
won the performances. Tonight he hit the bottom. It's over
for Jose Rimirez. It's harsh, and I don't say that
with any glee, but he's done. I mean, in my opinion,
I mean, it's not like he has to retire. He
might still be able to get fights, but the money's
gonna get smaller. You know, he's got a nice family,
he's got kids, he's got right, He's made a lot
of money over the last several years, so financially he
should be okay.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not telling him what if.
Speaker 1: He couldn't take advantage of Devin Haney tonight.
Speaker 3: But who would want to hear what you said after that?
He just did absolutely nothing they had. I'm looking at
the stat here they combined to throw five hundred three
punches in that twelve round fight. That was the fourth
fewest in a twelve round fight in the history of
compy boxes forty plus years and fifteen thousand plus fights
in any way class. So Hany did more because he
landed some nice left hooks here and there. So while
he was landing two or three nice shots around, Ramirez
was landing absolutely nothing. So I said to you in
the pre fight, that would be an easy I thought
that was a mismatch and that he would win handily.
And that's how it happened. It just was a terrible, terrible,
boring fight. And I have to say, Tej, when you
watch Ryan Garcia do so little against his opponent, and
you watch Devin Haney in a win do so little
against his opponent. Even if they decided to go forward
and make the rematch, I mean, I mean, they could
do it, and they'll try to hype it up, but
you can't sugarcoat what we saw to it. As you said,
that was two stink bumps, and that that is like a.
Speaker 1: Now clarified, they have signed for a rematch. It's scheduled
for late this year. So but but give me the butt.
Speaker 3: The butt is I don't know if it's if there's
any language that says they either have to have a
win in this setup fight or a draw, or if
it's the option of the promoters to go forward if
they lose, or however you want to slice it. Now,
what I wrote about in the pre fight, and this
is important, is that if one of those fighters lost,
and in this case it was Garcia that lost and
Hainy won, that it was absolutely a very possible situation
where the guy who was still standing would end up
fighting Tiafimo Lopez in the fall fight, because if Tiafimo
Lopez had won, it was always the plan was to
go forward and have him on that same card come
the end of their in Saudi Arabia. So would there
be some kind of movement perhaps to do Tiafimo against
Devin Haney. Maybe not, because there's no title involved, which so.
Speaker 1: There would have been changed so that we're clear, So
there's no chance Hani would move back down to one
forty and fight for tea Fimo's title.
Speaker 2: This would have to be at the higher way.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you never say, but speculating right, I.
Speaker 3: Would I would say though, well, I'll put to you
like this, when Hani and Romirez fought this fight, they
did it in a contract of one forty four, which
was both of them moving up.
Speaker 4: And wait, so is it.
Speaker 3: Completely out of the realm that Hani would elect after
this type of performance to maybe go back to one
forty and challenge for the big title, the lineal and
Tiafimo's belt. I guess it's not out of the realm
of possibility. Typically when fighters go up, they don't come back.
But he didn't go all the way to forty seven.
He seemed like he made the wight pretty good. He
looked in an awesome condition. So I guess that's a possible.
That's going to be up to him and the team
and and I guess Turkey and everybody involved to sort
of figure that out. But all right, you know, are
you would you be excited to see t Femo against
Haney after him?
Speaker 2: I think it's better.
Speaker 1: I think it's better than Haney and Garcia right now
as the next fight.
Speaker 3: The problem is they want to sell this as a
pay per.
Speaker 1: Viewer asking me if I want to put a bullet
in my foot or cut one of my fingers off,
I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what you want me
to choose from.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's like, it's not it's just a
I mean, I'm sure they're going to figure something out,
all right. There's really not a lot of good options.
Speaker 2: To tea femo. He wins over Arnold Barbosa. My hand
is up.
Speaker 1: I thought Barbosa might pull the upset. This was a
one sided fight where where ta Fimo Lopez looked really good.
Isn't it fair to say this is the best he's
looks since the Josh Taylor win when he won most
of the titles that night, or won with the WBO title.
Speaker 3: Wo because Taylor lost them.
Speaker 4: He had been stripped in Vagan.
Speaker 1: But Taya Fimo looked great that night, but not since
This is the best he looked. He was the fighter
of the night. Lopez say more about that real quick.
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought he was the fighter then I
posted on my social media. The fact of the matter
is it is absolutely It's not even a question of doubt.
This was his best performance since those since that Taylor fight.
He had won other fights, but looked, you know, pedestrian,
I mean the Claggett fight. He won, he you know, easily,
but it was not a great performance. I thought he
lost the Jermaine Ortiz fight and now this was his
third defense, and he looked really good, I thought. I mean,
it wasn't a was not a scintillating fight. But Tifimo,
you know, he tried to make entertainment. He kind of
bounced around and clowned a little bit and you know,
landed his punches. He didn't really show the power as
we spoke about beforehand. You know, he just doesn't have
that power. At one forty, he's had now, you know,
several fights in the way class. He had one stoppage
and that was in the first fight of his move
up to one against Pedro Kampa, who was a journeyman
kind of fighter. That was an expected kind of stoppage.
And he didn't stop Taylor, and he didn't stop Claggett,
and he didn't stop Jermaine Ortiz, and he didn't come
close to stopping Barboza. So the power, in my opinion,
is not there. But he does when he's when he's
on his game and he's in shape mentally and physically,
he's in He's a very good boxer. He's got a
lot of you know, tools in the toolbox, as they say,
and he he pulled a lot of the mountain at
against a Barbosa, who, again, like some of the other
guys in this car, fought at one speed, showed no urgency,
one shot at a time, and uh, you know, Tifimo
was much more dynamic even if the power was not there.
So IFO fought a really good fight. In my mind,
by the way, did I thought that the judging in
that fight, they two of the judges had at one
sixteen to one twelve. I thought that was extremely generous.
The other score was one.
Speaker 2: What did you have? You had it like ten to two?
Speaker 3: No, he had at one eighteen to one ten, which
was the same as the other judge that did score
sixteen to twelve.
Speaker 1: If Taya Femo doesn't get a Hainy fight, he has
mentioned he would like to fight jeron In as he
would like to move up and do that.
Speaker 2: How realistic is that for you? Just real quick?
Speaker 3: That's not really that's that's it's not me saying it's realistic.
That's them saying it's realistic. Because that's a fight that
Mattroom and Ennis and Turkey and Tiafimo and his team
are interested in. That's a really good fight. I mean,
Nis will be the favorite in that fight. But Tiafimo,
as we've discussed, when he's had his biggest fights, he's
made his best performance as Lomachenko. Josh Taylor, I guess
tonight you'd have to say so. And so if you've
moved up to fight Ennis, you know, he alluded to
moving up after the fight in his post fight interview.
Speaker 4: But that's a that's a tough fight. That's a really
tough fight.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So that leads us to Saturday night, and just twenty
four hours after what honestly we didn't see in New York,
we were hoping to see a much more energetic, enthusiastic,
compelling card in Saudi Arabia. I would be lying Dan
Raphael on the on the recap pod, if we really
saw a whole lot.
Speaker 2: I won't speak for you.
Speaker 1: Certainly, the main event with Canelo winning over William Skull
a big disappointment. Canelo was busier than Hani and Garcia,
but that ain't saying much relatively speaking. All right, those
are those are my initial thoughts. Tell me about this
card in Saudi Arabia, Canelo's first ever fight outside of
North America early morning Sunday for them, late night Saturday
night for US. Canelo wins the main event against an
opponent that frankly should not have been there, we all agree,
and wasn't trying to win, was just trying to survive.
What are your thoughts now in the recap?
Speaker 3: I mean, he was there because he had a belt
and that's all it was about. It was massively disappointing.
It was a disgrace. Both fighters were terrible, but at least,
you know, I'm not gonna defend Canelo, but at least
he was trying to make the fight more than the
other guy. So the perspective I have is if one
guy is trying to be somewhat aggressive but is very ineffective,
and the other guy is not trying to be aggressive
and is completely ineffective, you're gonna give the rounds at
least to the guy that's that's the more aggressive guy,
if the two things are equal. What I just said,
So all the fucking morons on social media like, well,
he was boxing and he was moving in. Canello couldn't
cut off the ring. They both stunk, but Canello was
making the fight. I had to fight eleven rounds to one.
That was to me a very reasonable score. I could
see maybe a second, maybe even a third round for
William Skull. The judges scored at one fifteen to one thirteen.
You know, I will say this. When the fight was over,
I talked to a very high ranking official from one
of the sanctioning bodies who basically was like, that person
should be fired from their jump.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 3: It was absolutely terrible, But the fight was it was terrible.
I don't know if it was because the fight was
at six thirty in the morning local time. Canello has
asked about that in the post fight interview by Chris Mannix.
He said, no, I'm a professional. I got here three
weeks beforehand. We practiced on our schedule to know that
we were going to be fighting at this time of day,
So I have no excuses. But here's the bottom line, TJ.
And this is my perception. It may be painful for
Canelo fans to hear. It's painful for me to say
because I love Canelo Alvarice. He's got over sixty plus
fights he's been now he's gonna have his twentieth anniversary
of his professional debut in October. He's winding down. Yep,
he's getting over the other side of the mountain. His
legs are bad now. He doesn't come with any fire.
He doesn't like to fight runners. But I remember many
years ago when he fought the runner Arisonti Laar, he
at least went after him. He didn't do that in
this fight. He just trudged along. Was one shot at
a time, and you know time waits for nobody agreed.
Speaker 1: Do you believe it was more so that or is
it maybe in combination. I honestly think this long about
the eighth or ninth round, I think he knew I
have banked eight or nine rounds. Certainly by the tenth round,
I've banked eight or nine rounds, and I don't get
Phil Collins. Baby, I don't care anymore.
Speaker 2: No, he didn't care.
Speaker 1: The post fight interview and the look on his face,
it looked like he got to the point where he
did not care. In the tenth, eleventh, or twelfth round.
Should I go after him? Should I try to knock
him out? I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm getting paid either.
Speaker 4: He couldn't. He couldn't.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was that. I think he couldn't
go after I don't think he could have knocked him out.
The fact is in the comments that William Skull made
after the fight translated from Spanish, he was proud of
his performance, like he didn't have any realization how much
it was shitty. Yeah, I mean it was. He was
like a thief in the night.
Speaker 1: That tells you that his goal was to stay on
his feet, survive and get fame.
Speaker 3: Period, get a check. You have one moment. What's the
old eminem lyrics, one one moment. You know you got
one chance. You know he didn't take advantage of that.
So I'm going to discuss a little bit about the
CompuBox because it's it was, first of all, for our
friends at compy Box, this was a very easy fight
for them to do because their fingers didn't have to
do a whole lot. They've been doing boxing matches for
forty years. Okay, they've done over fifteen thousand fights. Obviously
not all of them are twelve rounders, but probably thousands
of them march twelve rounders. So in the entire history
of CompuBox for forty years, they have tracked a gazillion
fights in the entire history of those twelve round bouts.
The one hundre and fifty two punches thrown by Canelo
Alvarez were the second fewest ever in the history of
their company in a twelve round fight for a guy
who's been known for many, many, many many years in
one of the great action and entertaining fighters of our time.
Speaker 4: That's pathetic.
Speaker 3: So that's a combination of a William skull that was
jumping around like a jack rabbit thrown, you know, half
ass jabs off the back foot from ten feet away,
combined with maybe his legs or not what they once were.
That adds up to that. If you take into account
the fact that they threw four hundred and forty five
punches combined between the two of them, that was, drum
roll please, an all time record for the fewest punches
thrown in the history of a twelve round fight. Track
by copy Box, that is ignominious in a big way.
And by the way, simply then I'll use the word
nay dear of a weekend in which we saw fights
that were on the New York card with Ryan Garcia
and Romero and Hainey against Ramirez where those fights were
in the ethnically, but those were all so among the
all time lowest, and this weekend produced I want to say,
three the fewest punches thrown fights in a twelve rounder
in the history of CompuBox.
Speaker 1: I really, I know, I really come back to I'm
not trying to defend him.
Speaker 2: I think he just lost interest.
Speaker 1: Like what happened for the first day rounds, but I
mean in the tenth, the eleventh, and the twelfth, I
don't think he cared to try to get him out there,
out of there if he could have.
Speaker 2: I think he just lost interest. And maybe it is
father time.
Speaker 1: We're about to listen to find out with what we're
going to talk about with Crawford.
Speaker 2: Here a minute.
Speaker 3: I saw the wide shot pictures of the arena. It
was empty ish I mean not empty. I mean there
was fans there, and there were some actually, to their credit,
we're making some noise. Clearly some of his Mexican fan
base traveled for the fight, but there was wide swaths
of empty seats. You know, and look the Saudi's and
Herky they're spending money to put on these, you know,
big shows and big fights, and I'm happy about that.
But there's something to be said for the atmosphere and
the Saudi Arabian fights, with the exception probably of the
fury Usik one, which did have a legitimate, big time
paid crowd. But you take that out of the equation,
you've got the fights like what happened on Saturday, the
New York fights with what turned out to be the
inability for the public to view the fights in Times
Square because it was closed off and they didn't have
it on the JumboTron. You know, atmosphere is part of
not just boxing, part of sports. You go to a
football game, or a basketball game, or a baseball game,
or a golf match. When they make a great shot whatever,
you want to hear that roar of the crowd and
the excitement and the and that. And fighters, I believe,
not every one of them, but a lot of them
they thrive on the on the roar of the crowd,
no doubt about it. And that was just not the case.
I don't know if Canelo was bored and listen, William Skull,
he was a fraudulent mandatory. He really, in many opinions,
didn't even have the you know, didn't deserve to win
the fight. When he beats Chiskin to get that that
belt that they stole away from Canelo, and then he
came to collect his check because that win win in
quote marks against Schiskin was like basically his lottery ticket
and he went and got you know, paid. He'll never
get paid again, by the way. No, I dare say
that we'll never see Williams Skull in a fight ever again. No,
it's certainly not on American television or streaming service. And
it was an absolute fucking disgrace. I could not be
more disgusted, uh, with with that fight, with the with
the with the weekend, I mean, at least the rest
of the card, which we'll talk about. There was some
entertainment value for the remainder of the card, but that's
the main event. And uh, you know, when I look
at that, I see Canelo at his age and add
the number of rounds and the number of fights, you know,
it's uh, based on that, it's it looks like we're
near the end.
Speaker 4: Being honest, like, I mean, that was that was bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you and I have said on the front end,
will believe that he's fighting two more times in Saudi
Arabia in twenty twenty six, when we see it. I mean,
we don't know what's gonna happen, and we're about to
talk about Terres Crawford. We don't know what's gonna happen
with this fight. But that version of Canelo was definitely
a slowed down version. I mean, just to reference, if
you go back to when everything cranked back up at
the end of twenty twenty and he fought Callum Smith,
and he fought Avney Yieldram, and then he fought Billy
Joe Saunders, and he fought Dimitri Bbol and Caleb Plant
that's a totally different Canelo Alvarez obviously just four years
ago than what we saw for whatever reasons on Saturday.
Speaker 2: So you make about.
Speaker 3: Basically he's been a different fighter since the Bevo fight. Yeah,
but you know that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1: And father time again on all this a lot of rounds,
a lot of years, all right, So there we go
on that. So none of this is surprising that we're
about to talk about so immediately after the fight. How
About we didn't even get a post fight interview about
the fight before Turkey Alashka has taken over on Okay,
let's talk about the set date now, for the Terrence
Crawford fight. Let's get Crawford up in the ring, and
let's talk about September twelfth, which is Friday night.
Speaker 2: So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: He revealed a Llegiant stadium, he said the stadium, he
means Allegiant Stadium, the Home of the Raiders, will be
the place, all right, So tell me more now that
we've had a little bit to digest this that about
the official particulars and about the matchup, and they were
right there in the ring together.
Speaker 3: Not a surprise. I mean, this has always been the
plan when they did the four fight deal. It was
always supposed to be we're going to do the Williams
Skull fight. Then it's going to be Terrence Crawford back
in America, and then it's, you know, whatever's going to
take place in twenty twenty six, presumably in Saudi Arabia,
although frankly wouldn't surprise me if if he does get
past Terrence Crawford. I think it's a very good possibility
that one of those twenty twenty six fights very well
could be like a U Bank fight in the UK.
Canelo has professed a desire to fight in places like Japan,
and the UK before he retires, and certainly going to
the UK to fight U Bank coming off the huge
victory against Connor Ben, I would suspect that U Bank
would fight again before then, But even if he didn't, whatever,
that would be a huge event. But if you take
a look at what's going to happen on September twelfth,
I've always believe that Terrence Crawford may be biting off
more than he can chew. And remember Terrence Crawford in
August when he moved up to Junior mid Away and
he fought madrom Off and he won the WBA title. Yeah,
he won a close fight, but Terrence Crawford didn't look
very good in that either, But he'd looked a lot
better than Canelo Alvarez. Then when I saw them standing
in front of each other, they looked about the same size.
I mean, obviously Canelo was just in a fight and
Crawford has not been training for a fight's always put
on a few pounds, but in terms of their physical
stature height wise, they were about the same. And uh,
that version of Canelo that I saw Terence Crawford beats
that version of Canelo Alvarice because Terrence Crawford is is
is a much faster fighter, even though he's a little
bit older, And it's it's one of those things where
it's a lot about the freshness, you know, how where
they are in their career. Terrence Crawford has not fought
as long. He again, he may be older, but has
not had as many fights, has not had as many
tough fights, has not had that kind of physical grind.
And and what I always think about, I mean about it,
you can't even who knows how many number of rounds
there has been sparring. I mean that's countless, the number
of rounds of Janello and Crawford both have most likely
sparred in their careers. But you look at things like
the type of punishment that they've taken in fights. You know,
Crawford has been in a couple of tough fights, but
nothing the way that Canelo Alvarez has been in. So
I really finally got that feeling when I'm watching the
fight on Saturday, that Canelo is getting past it. And
again I go back to the number of rounds Canelo
Alvarez in his professional career. When he fought the fight
on Saturday, round number twelve, of that bout was the
five hundred and twentieth round of Canelo Alva's professional career.
Terrence Crawford, despite being a few years older, has only
got two hundred and forty five professional rounds. He has
half the number of professional rounds as Canelo. That adds up.
And so where as this fight originally when it was
suggested by people, pee a lot of people laughed. I
ain't laughing anymore, Okay, I mean, it's not the same situation.
But I was there and watched Oscar de la Hooy
as a massive favorite, it absolutely destroyed and it's retired
by Manny Packet. Again, I'm not saying that's the same situation,
But if you made me pick that fight today, I
got Crawford, baby.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: And by the way, just to just to explain, they're
doing this fight at the Allegiance Stadium. It will be
the first ever boxing event at Allegiance Stadium. There had
been conversations a few years ago about doing I believe
it was the second fight. I can't remember. It was
a second or third fight between Tyson Fury and they.
Speaker 1: Were talking about doing the third fight there because of
social distancing and all.
Speaker 3: That, But it didn't come to pass. So they're gonna
do this fight at Allegian Stadium. And the reason it's
on a Friday night is because there's going to be
apparently they have a football game booked in there on Saturday,
one of the college ball games that they have. And
the other interesting thing that was announced by Turkey that
and this is not a surprise. I think everybody expected this,
but he just made it official. The fight will be
promoted by TKO's group whatever they're gonna call it. Dana
White and their team will promote this fight. So they're
gonna obviously kick off their promotion entrance into boxing with
literally the biggest fight in the world. And the thing
that that I was thinking about also, TJ is and
I've said this before, when you get to the mega
fight many years ago, you got there and that was
whatever happened, the guys could go on to greater glory
and bigger deals and bigger fights and long careers. For example,
and I'll just pick one randomly, when when Sugar Ray
Leonard and Tommy Hearns had their first Mega fight, and
that was, don't make any mistake about it, a mega
Mega fight. The first Leonard Hearns fight. They were young men.
Tommy was like twenty six, Ray was twenty three, and
they both went on to greater glory. This is when
you get to a fight like Gafford and Canelo. This
is the endgame fight. This is probably I think this
might you know, if he wins, I mean, maybe I'll
fight again. But this is basically Crawford's at the end
of his career. He waited out for this big money
fight now, not to say he won never fight again
and Canelo whatever happens, you know, it's not you know,
I can tell when I interview him for the podcast
before this fight that just happened, he was thinking about
the end. It's mean over another two years away anybody.
Speaker 1: And he's made hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions
of dollars in the ring, and he's got business ventures
outside the ring. He's got a family, he's got other things.
It's not going to go on forever.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: But the thing I was thinking about, besides the fact that, Okay,
they'll have the Mega fight and it'll be don't make
any mistake, It'll be a massive event, a huge event,
no question about it. The stadium will have a zillion
people there and it'll be great fun. I'll go to
Vegas and cover that fight for sure, and it will
be the endgame. And so I started to think to myself,
once Crawford and Canelo happens, what's the big fight in
at least in North America anyway?
Speaker 4: Like I don't.
Speaker 3: I nothing came to mind, right, Not one fight that
I thought of that was like a true mega fight,
could I think at the moment. I mean, yeah, maybe
in next year something will develop, but I couldn't tell
you what it is.
Speaker 1: All right, So that is coming in September. We got
plenty of time to go over all of that later
this year. And the good news is that's only four
months away. It's not like we got to wait to
December or January for that to happen. So that's that's
part of the timeline.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Let's go over the rest of the undercard real quick.
Speaker 1: If we've had a busy recap show, let's keep with
the busyness. Badu Jack, I'll just roll call it real quick.
Retain the WBC Cruiserweight title with a decision win. Jimi
Mungia did get his revenge, although he looked a little.
He was smarter with how he fought, but he looked
a little apprehensive as well about him. I gonna get
caught with the big punch. He got a decision win,
and then Rayfield is ready to come with both thists on.
Faa jagba. What are we doing here with the scoring?
Speaking of the scoring, I know it was like four
a m. Literally in Saudi Arabia, but do we have
anybody awake scoring that fight with Martin Bucoli because it
ends up being a draw, all right, So give me
the Rayfield rundown in the takes.
Speaker 4: Go all right?
Speaker 3: So badude, Jack, I mean, he's you know, he did
a good job and it was that was actually probably
that was a pretty good fight. Actually, I thought that
was a nice fight to watch. Beadu Jack's always been
in a lot of good fights through the years. You know,
he's like the old the old Guard. He's forty one
years old. He hadn't fought for more than two years
for various reasons, but he came back. He fought Noel McCallion,
who also been off for a little while. This was
sort of to decide who's the actual WBC Cruiserweight Champion,
because they had switched places as champion and as champion
in recess. And I'm not gonna bog down in all
the nonsense, but at the end of the day, they
put out a pretty good fight, and in the end
the judges were all pretty much in agreement. You had
two judges that gave the fight to bed Dude Jack
one fifteen to one thirteen, so seven rounds of five,
and the third judge had it one fourteen to one fourteen.
I thought those were fine scores. I thought Jack eked
it out. If you really really told me you thought
that McCallion deserved to win, I couldn't really fight you
about it, but I thought that bed dude Jack, you know,
did just enough. A few flashier shots, maybe a few
cleaner where we're very more eye catching. Let's say McCallion
did some nice work on the inside, but you know,
pretty good fight. And at the end, you know, Jack
got the win, and we'll see what he does from here.
I'm not sure what his next move is going to be.
He's probably still going to fight because he didn't take punishment,
and he looked in good condition and still moved well.
Uh but uh, you know, beddue Jack's been a good
fighter for a long time. Just not sure you know
what that big fight is. I mean, can they get
you know, I don't know is there going to be
an Opataia fight or a Zerto Ramiras fight. Obviously they're
being sort of geared towards each other, but maybe he
can find his way into that. And the good news
for him if that's the case, is because this fight
was done with Turkey al Hic and obviously Opataia and
h and Zero, they have fights that are coming up
that are being done. Uh you know with that they've
worked with Riad season and with Turkey and other fights
and they've been doing They're doing the Opataia, They're going
to try to do the Opataia zero fight of both
them when their upcoming fights. So maybe they can do
ultimately what will be I guess a four belt unification,
so that'd be good. But anyway he gets to win
and to come back, and then you get down to
as you mentioned, into uh Haimimongia. He looked a little
shaky early on. I mean, he obviously was maybe having
all of that PTSD from being clabberd in that first
back in December. But I also think there's something to
be said, And I'm always willing to cut a fight
or some slack when they go into their first fight
with a new trainer where they've been told a lot
of different things. Probably in the camp they've worked on
a few different things. They've tried to refine some things,
maybe break a few bad habits, that type of stuff.
To me, it was very clear that he had done
some of that with Eddie Renoso as his new trainer,
he trained alongside Canelo. He was definitely better defensively than
he's been.
Speaker 2: You love my lines.
Speaker 1: He at least was making an attempt at defense with
the hands up and so moving the head some and
not being a stationary target. So yes, he was making
it an attempt at defense Mongia.
Speaker 3: So some people might say that was an improvement and
he can maybe improve and get better going forward. Others
may look at that and say he's still gunshot and
maybe he's getting a little bit shotski. I'm not sure
where I fall into that category. He definitely won the fight.
It was a lot different of a fight than the
first one. He didn't dominate in the same way that
he did until the knockout. He did win the decision
fairly wide nine to three on two cards. Eighty four
was the third card that seemed about right to me.
I had it once sixteen to one twelve in favorite Mangia.
You know, at the end of the day, he put
the mess aside and got the revenge that he needed.
Where he goes from here for a big fight. You know,
there's good names in the division he talked about I
want you know, he said, Kayleb planing, he said, Edgar Berlanga.
Those are type you know, good names out there. There
are others. There's abilities in the division. Which was a
fight that top rank was thinking about trying to do
before he got knocked out. So he won't lack for opponents.
He's got a good name, he's got a fan base.
There's there's quality guys that he can fight in the division.
I'm just if I'm a Heimi Mungie, a guy I
might be a little skeptical, skeptical about him winning any
of those fights I just mentioned got but that's prize fighting.
Speaker 2: And then a Jogba go ahead, JJ.
Speaker 4: This fight pissed me off.
Speaker 3: This first of all, when Martin McCauley gets the draw
in the fight and he's like I would have won
the fight if I had a longer training camp. I'm like,
what the fuck are you talking about? Right, you fought
on February twenty second in Rhea. Now, granted you took
that on the short note, as we all know, that
was when Dania de wag came down ill dropped out
of the fight with Joseph Parker. Bacoley flew in on
like two days notice, got there the morning of the fight,
and got knocked out in the second round. Obviously, he
didn't come in having had a full camp, weighed like
three hundred pounds and uh, you know, and looked at
when he got drilled. So this fight, though with the JABA,
was already set for before that, and it was right
after that knockout that they determined they were going to
keep this fight going. So if you've lost on February
twenty second, even if you have like a mandated break
from contact due to your knockout loss, there's still plenty
of time to have a real camp. And he came
in basically in the same kind of shape as he
did for the Trouble fight.
Speaker 1: He looked physically terrible. I'm just looking, I'm double checking
to your point that Baccoli weighed two eighty four when
he fought Jared Anderson. You were there at ringside last August.
He was three to ten for the Joseph Parker fight
on two ninety nine the other night, and he looked
a good untill twenty pounds overweight and slow because of it,
that's his fault.
Speaker 3: So I watched that fight, and I thought that when
Martin Bacoley let his hands go and he landed some
nice shots, you know, he's always going to be a
dangerous fighter offensively if he lands, especially his right hand.
But Faad Jagba just had that ramrod jab in his
face the whole fight. I thought he boxed circles around him.
I thought he won eight rounds to two. I could
maybe see it seven rounds to three.
Speaker 4: Fine.
Speaker 3: I thought that a Jagua basically dominated to the fight. Now,
maybe the rounds that I thought Bacoli won he won
more decisively because he might have landed a couple of
big punches that were more eye catching. But I have
no understanding of how a judge had a two judges
had it ninety five to ninety five, ninety six to
ninety four. I thought was like being generous to you know,
that was in favor of a Jagua. I thought that
was being generous towards Bocoli, So that really irritated me.
I thought that a Jagua absolutely won the fight. I mean,
if they did a rematch, so be it. I mean,
it wasn't like a bad fight as heavyweight fights. Oh
it was not a bad fight to watch. But I
mean that's Mark mccoley who he is. You know again,
I like Marin mccoley as a fighter because he's entertaining
for the most part. But all the people that were
losing their fucking minds after he beat Jared Anderson and
even before that, you know that he's George Foreman and
this he's that. I mean, get the fuck out of here.
Just stop, stop, stop, stop the stop.
Speaker 1: And now some news here before we're done, because we've
been busy, all right. This was interesting in the early
morning hours in Saudi Arabia when they went to Anthony Joshua,
and I believe it was during the Badu Jack fight
that they went to him in between rounds prior to
the Canalo fight, and Anthony Joshua revealed that he's not
only been training, but that he's injured himself. Dan, I
still don't know because I have not reheard the comments.
Did he specify which elbow he hurt, because he was
saying something about my jabs, like it was his left hand,
his left elbow, But he says, I need surgery and
it's going to be a few more weeks after surgery
before I can begin to train again. Obviously, so put
the Fury fight on the shelf right for the short
term this summer. You would think you would sink the Fury.
Speaker 3: Fury's never has not officially announced he's coming out of
retirement yet, and even if he does, he hasn't come on.
I'm dealing with the facts. Okay, he's not retired, I
get that, but he has not officially unretired, and even
if he does do that, he hasn't said that. It
is in fact the Joshua fight that he wants to
make now. Obviously Joshua would like the Fury fight. But
regardless of all that, as you mentioned, he said to
Claudia Treos on the Zone interview that he had an
elbow injury. I don't remember him specifying which elbow it is. Obviously,
if it's his jab that was the problem that would
be his left hand, and that he was going to
have surgery sometime in May, which obviously we're now in May,
so presumably sometime in the next few weeks, and that
he would be out of the gym for as he said,
six to eight weeks, which means if you let's say
he has the surgery mid May, that's mid April, or
you know, mid June rather is one month. Mid July
is another month. Then you're gonna obviously gonna have a
full camp coming back, and there's no setbacks. And just
because you're out, maybe you might need a few more
weeks compared to what they say, and maybe you can
go a little earlier. But the point is if it's
if it is an actual eight week situation where he's
going to be sidelined from the gym, as I mentioned,
you're not back in until sometime in like mid to
late July.
Speaker 2: The earliest.
Speaker 3: Well, but listen, TJ, there was never going to be
the expectation that even if suddenly they made the fight
with Joshua and and Fury, and Fury did end the
retirement officially, I don't think it would have been this summer. Anyway,
They'll probably would have waited to a little bit later
in the year, and so hopefully he's okay, and uh,
whatever he does, whether it's going to be a Tyson
Fury fighter something else, get the elbow healthy and hopefully
come back strong. I mean, obviously he's coming off the
devastating knockout to Daniel Dua Uh, and I think a
lot of people will look at his career as sort
of hanging by a thread at the moment after what happened.
But we'd still like to see a lot of us
would like to see the Tyson Fury fight. They're both
degraded at this point, but it's still a big deal
for their country and for the heavyweight division.
Speaker 1: All Right, and one more news item that it's not unexpected,
but the WBO went ahead and officially stripped Sebastian Fundurra
since we were last here, and that is because he's
not going to fight their mandatory Xander Zaias. What else
do we know, if anything about does this fast track
at Zia's vacant title fight, et cetera go ahead?
Speaker 3: Well, it's not so much that it fast tracks what
it does. It just sort of makes it official. We
knew this was coming They put out their resolution on Thursday,
saying that he had failed to comply with the order
of the Zaias fight, so they therefore stripped him. They
were I have to tell you, honestly, I've read a
lot of resolutions from a lot of sanctioning bodies in
my day, and I was kind of taken aback actually
where I thought they were a little bit rude about it.
It's one thing if you strip the guy, okay, you're
doing your thing. But they literally wrote, you know, in
the end of that they always do, like the whole
they lay out all the particulars and then at the
end they have like, here's what the upshot is, and
they were like in the in that line it was
mister Sebastian Fandora is hereby stripped of his WBO Junior
Middleweight Champion status, effective immediately. But the word stripped was
all the capital letters. It's like they're basically giving him
the all caps.
Speaker 2: They were giving them they all caps.
Speaker 3: I was like, I think we got the message. So
I feel like they could have maybe been a little
more chill about it. But whatever, they stripped them of
the title, not unexpected. He's gonna fight the rematch against
him Zoo instead this summer. He still has the WBC title,
that title he won against the Zoo because it was vacant,
in addition to winning the WBO belt from Zoo, so
he still has that belt to fall back on. And
in terms of Zius, instead of going through they canceled
the purspitt obviously because its not gonna The fight's not
going to happen between Fandor and Zoos, so that I
mean Fandora and Zius. So that WBO canceled the purspid
and that leaves Xander Zias, that the young Puerto Rican
fighter from Florida who's twenty one and oh with top
Rand to fight Jor Garcia Perez from Mexico to fill
the vacancy. And obviously, if you've been following recent boxing results,
it was Garcia Perez who had a big, big upset. Yeah,
he won a decision on April nineteenth, and he looked
pretty good against Charles Conwell, who was a heavy favorite.
He was already in the WBO rankings. That moved him
up into a great position. And so that will be
the fight and they'll, you know, whether they negotiate the
deal or they make a pur spit on that that
will be the next fight. It will be a lot
easier to make Zius in that fight because the opponent
is not a well known guy, doesn't command a lot
of money necessarily, that should be a pretty easy fight
to make, all things considered, And so that's what's gonna happen,
and it's unfortunate. I never like to see a guy
get stripped of a belt if it's unless it's absolutely necessary.
And I get the mandatory I get the mandatory thing.
But I don't think the people that we're saying Fandora
is ducking Zias are just to me, they're just know
nothings about boxing. It's still a business. And in most
people's viewpoint in Tim Zu, having lost the two fights
that he lost to Fundora in the first one and
then the knockout against Ortazilayev, would still look at him
as a much more difficult opponent compared to Zias, who
is an excellent young fighter. But it's still not fought
any top level opponents the way that Timsu has. So
you know, it's like Samson Lukawitz, his promoter said to
me before they actually got stripped, but when they made
the point that we are going in the other direction
to fight the fight against tim Zu. We respect Zias,
we think he's an excellent fighter. Good luck to him,
and maybe we can see him down the road and
we can unify if he ever wins a world title.
So that's story of there.
Speaker 2: Very good.
Speaker 1: So we have given you a bunch on this recap podcast.
Speaker 2: My goodness.
Speaker 1: We began the show saying it, let's say it again,
thank God for the inn away Cardenas fight.
Speaker 2: Which that's you know.
Speaker 1: I played golf again this weekend, and I play a bunch.
Speaker 2: I enjoy it. You always hit a shot or two
that makes you want to come back.
Speaker 1: That fight brought us all now we want to come
back and watch again. As much as the other fights
may have been stinkers and not a lot of action,
the Monster and Cardenas lived up to what we had
hoped it would live up to.
Speaker 4: Any good stuff.
Speaker 3: To make one point about that, Yeah, the Times Square
card was sixty dollars on pay per view. The Canelo
Alvarees card was sixty dollars on pay per view. The
next night, you could have gone on to own and
purchased both for the lolo discount. Price of only one
hundred dollars or ninety dollars for the two or I
mean not either or, but but in terms of in
a way and cardenas if you have basic cable or
even just a subscription the ESPN plus part of your
regular subscription, that was no extra cost and it was
worth one hundred million times more than what we saw
in those two events.
Speaker 2: They delivered.
Speaker 1: They delivered on that, all right, A little nostalgia update
real quick. That is tomorrow May fifth is Sinko Demio Holiday.
And and we did on a previous occasion talk up
Floyd Mayweather and Oscar dal La Joya just tease a
little bit for the audience.
Speaker 2: You were their ringside for that.
Speaker 1: And then we want them to go find the video
on YouTube where you elaborate and talk about this. But
this was I describe him in the YouTube video as
full villain. This was Floyd, full villain against dal La
Hoya with the sombrero on the red, white and green.
Speaker 2: Mexican trunks and shit. And this was and he put
it on Oscar.
Speaker 3: This was the metamorphosis of Mayweather from pretty boy Floyd
to money may This is where that changed, where he
went from like you said, from you know, just regular Floyd,
great fighter, full villain, great fighter and full villain. And
that's one of the reasons, because of the differences in
the personality between Floyd and Oscar, who really had no
love for each other and had spent a lot of
time at top rank together, where Floyd was coming up
on a lot of Oscars undercarts. Anyway, it became by
far and away at that point was the biggest fight
in boxing, biggest richest fight there was to megastar. You know,
Oscar was the megastar. Floyd was in the process of
becoming a megastar in the in the parlance of wrestling,
Oscar fighting Floyd put him over the same way Oscar
fighting Pacio put him over. It went from Floyd doing
you know, a few two three hundred thousand pay per
views to doing you know a million plus time and
time again. And that fight was a mega fight. And
I've got lots to say about that on the YouTube video,
all right.
Speaker 1: So go to the YouTube video, full recap of it.
We're pushing you there for the nostalgia a little bit
and you'll love it.
Speaker 2: You get a full Dan was.
Speaker 1: Right there for the whole Fight Week the whole bit
so again that was now eighteen years ago on Monday,
May fifth, two thousand and seven. And now we're gonna
say to the audience, we're teasing again, We're selling all
kinds of things. Dan at the end of the pod,
be with us on Wednesday night, Eastern time US time
will come your way live Wednesday night again on the
YouTube channel. Go find the YouTube channel, make sure you're
subscribed to be with us live Wednesday night, because, my friend,
that is the anniversary of one of your favorite fights
of all time. You were running outside twentieth anniversary twentieth
anniversary May seventh of five of Diego Corrales, the late
Diego Corrales and the incredible tenth round come back reversal
after being down what twice against Jose Luis Castillo to
get the TKO.
Speaker 2: We're gonna relive that you and I in long form
on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: To unify lightweight titles in what is arguably, at least
since they recorded video of fights, maybe the greatest fight
in the history of boxing. And I say that as
not an exaggeration, ORB and.
Speaker 1: So we will do it justice by doing a full
YouTube recap nostalgically, nostalgically a word late Sunday night.
Speaker 2: Sure, why not, let's go, let's go. Let's go with that.
Speaker 1: So Wednesday night, as you hear us on this pod,
off the weekend, find us on the YouTube page Big
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Bill O'Reilly and that meme, We'll do it live. We'll
do it live, he's screaming, we'll do it live on
Wednesday night for Corles Castillo one and the twentieth anniversary.
Speaker 2: And Big Dan was right there all.
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Speaker 2: What a finish to the weekend.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a great weekend on Friday and Saturday, but
a great finish to the weekend within away the monster
and what he did as the undisputed one hundred and
twenty two pound champ. You and I will reload off
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Nostalgic look back twenty years later live on the YouTube page.
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Speaker 4: I gotta go run my story.
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