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back to the Peginiana Show. When was the last time
you were on Roman? I can't even remember. It's been
a while.
Speaker 2: It was mid to late January of this year.
Speaker 1: I think, ah, okay, so gonna just bookmark the year
or book end the year. So yeah, it started with you,
and you know, we talked about what was going on
in the world, and twenty twenty four is one of
those years where nothing happened and everything happened, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I cannot believe how fast this year
has gone.
Speaker 1: It seems like that that just as we get older,
the years go by that much quicker. So got to
get a lot of stuff in and do get what
we need to get done.
Speaker 2: You know, last time we had talked about moving away
from like kind of libertarianism, right, and even I think
we touched on capitalism and why maybe it wasn't what
we thought it was. I think we had some predictions
that may or may and I have came through since
that time, and so just kind of wanted to see you.
You know what it has changed with you even this
year with all the events and everything obviously elections and
wars happening and just chaos. Man, is so much happening
all at once.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean a lot of stuff happened this year.
You know, you can't you have to pay attention to
the fact that, you know, Trump, the primary pretty much
the primary season mostly happened this year, and Trump didn't
even get on like a debate stage, and he was
clearly the choice. And then I guess we can I
guess we can start with just him being nominated and
that then you know how everyone up on that stage
was against him, except like Vivik was there as his
like surrogate, talking about the things that he would normally
talk about, maybe maybe in a more eloquent way, but
definitely not as entertaining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, vic was good. You know, I don't think I
wasn't surprised, I'm about you about the Trump victory. Right
in him winning, she was probably the worst candidate I've
ever seen in American politics, honestly, and it's I think
I was. I think I told Paul this. When I
was driving through northern Virginia at one point I didn't
see a single I think I saw one Kamala sign,
and I saw plenty of Trump signs, which was weird
for northern Virginia. And so even the electoral map, you know,
when I created my electoral map, I think it was
all right, except for Arizona. I think is the one
I messed up. So I think not if you were
in the know, if you're on the ground, you kind
of knew what was coming. I think in that sense, Well.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can talk about her all we want,
but the fact is is that this was Joe Biden's
election to win and lose, and they did a debate.
Trump had one of the funniest lines I've ever heard
in my life when he goes, I don't know what
he just said, out of think he even knows what
he just said. Yeah, there was a lot in that debate.
And then we can even talk about the fact that
a whole bunch of people on the quote unquote right
came out of that debate and was like, oh he
lost that debate, or or even even with the Kamala debate,
they were like, oh he lost that debate. I've never
seen It's gotten to the point now where right quote
unquote right wing influencers, I don't even really know what
they are. Everything. Yes, everything is a black pill nothing
you know, nothing good is ever going to happen. And
I mean they're I'm pretty much bored by them.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, change is not an easy thing, right Uh,
Change is a big ordeal for some people, and when
you get them out of their comfort zone, you know,
of hoping for something better, it might it scares them
or something, so they remain in this like black pill bubble.
And you look, even myself, I'm I'm just kind of,
you know, looking to see what Trump does is right.
I'm hoping he does great things. I'm hopeful that the
country moves forward. But you have to have that mentality.
You can't just immediately assume that things are just going
to be bad, because then what's the point, what are
you even what are you doing at that point? Right?
There's no It's just such a surrender move. So I'm
hopeful things will get better. But yeah, people on the right,
And that's another thing maybe we could talk about, is
this whole left right thing, because I thought your episode
with Stormy was fantastic. A lot to digest from that episode.
But yeah, I mean, it's kind of it goes back
to not really wanting to be labeled right or left,
at least for me anymore, there's not really trying to
adopt any label for this matter, just kind of trying
to stick to some principles and move forward with them.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I'm kind of sick of like the
retards who were like, you know, I've basically come to
It's what I was thinking, but a political put it
in the best tweet possible. It's like, I'm not left
or right. I'm a nationalist and you're And at this point,
if you take into consideration what Thomas says, where Thomas
is like, there's no third position. You're either a global
ast cionist or you're a Nash or you're against them basically,
you know, and watching retards not be able to understand that.
I can say that while hoping that Trump does certain
things and that Trump I don't have to take that
position and then say, well, fuck Trump. He's not gonna
do anything good. He's definitely not going to fulfill my vision.
Speaker 2: There's nothing the guys to me. The guy's perfect, right.
There's plenty of things that I hope he would do
differently or or I'm hoping he does or doesn't do whatever.
But yeah, I'm not gonna sit here and say, you know,
fuck Trump or whatever. The guy is clearly I think
his genuinely loves his country, wants to see it go
in a good direction, and I'm hoping that's what happens.
And if people are against that, then you're really really
just kind of maintaining that status quote, even people on
the right. If you're against him then and he's trying
to change the status quo, then you're basically for the
status quo that you claim to be you know against.
But again, for some people that maintain that status quo
is what they want, right, It's like the James Lindsay's
of the world or whoever. There's people who need this,
you know, the bad things that are happening to this
country to remain so they could sell books, give speeches, whatever.
They're not in it for the country or for the
greater good. And you know, people probably don't like that phrase,
but I like it these days. But you know, I'm
not going to see here in blastromp. I'm hoping and
I'm hopeful that he does a good job and will
do a good job moving forward. Well.
Speaker 1: I also think there's a lot of part participation in
trophy Americans who they don't know how to win, they
don't know, they're not willing to take a position because
they're scared to lose. They're so they're so concerned about
their opinion and how other people like see their opinion.
And I'm not only talking about people who like create
content and have audiences, talk about like random people with
like twenty followers on the on Twitter. They're like, well,
I get no, no, no, If I if I have
any hope at all, I could be disappointed. And you know,
the guys in the group chat, they're gonna be They're
gonna make fun of me because it's like, it goes
back to what I said about libertarianism. All it was
was an identity, and I think a lot of these
same people suffer the same problem is that this is
their identity and they basically don't want they're not willing
to put their neck on the line have an opinion
or cheerlead someone and then oh it doesn't work out,
and it's like, oh see see you were you were okay,
Yeah I had hope. I'm an adult. Yeah.
Speaker 2: If it doesn't work out, then you move on to another,
a new solution or something different. Right, you don't have
to just immediately shoot down everything.
Speaker 1: Well, and it doesn't mean that you're hanging all of
your home on that. You know, you're doing other things
in the meantime. You just hope that this happens. If
this happened, it would be great for us. Oh it
didn't happen. Well, so I've been doing this over here.
I mean, these people's that's why. And I'm it seems
like every time I do an episode or I appear
on someone else's show, I end up talking about this.
Thomas's idea that it's a vanguard. We're not Jehovah's witnesses.
We're putting a message out there. People are here in
the message. Hopefully it's edifying them. The way I look
at it is people who listen to my show and
who are like, yeah, you know, I don't agree with
you on this, but I definitely agree with you on this.
We can have a conversation. These are people that I
would once around me. You know, a lot of people
are tuning in to be educated and entertained. They're not
looking to become activists or anything like that. They're not
looking to hold positions in like their local cam or
something like that. They're maybe not even looking to practice
like local where a bunch of people intentionally to go
to a place because they all share the same values.
Those people are fine. I love I love every one
of them. But it's the people who are like, they
think you're trying to recruit me and you're not doing
a good job. No, fuck you not trying to recruit
you to anything. It's obvious. I mean, you can go
to my private chat on telegram. The people in there,
those are the people I would hang out, I would
go to. I would pretty much everyone in that thing.
I would allow to, you know, come visit me at home.
But it's like, I mean, oh, you didn't say you're
resting too much. No, I'm not. I'm hoping this happens,
but in the meantime, I'm doing something else. You're you know,
if you're in group, is going to make fun of
you because you wanted something to happen and it didn't
and it turned out to maybe even be ten times worse.
Uh huhuh So so what what you really give a
fuck about? If if they're the kind of people who
are going to make fun of you, those aren't the
kind of people you want on yourn in your inner circle.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, great point, especially the point about, Look, you're
putting great content out there, You're putting great information and
educational sources out there, resources out there, and not everyone
has to be an active activist, right, like you said,
if they can just take it maybe apply it to
their daily life whatever. They don't have to be kind
of like in that hurah, like let's go do something
with it. As long as they're just kind of understanding
where you are, where you're coming from. I think that's
sufficient enough. Not everyone's built for that activism or change
lifestyle or mechanism, right, but yeah, these people are just
I think you just got to move on, Like, you
cannot waste time with these people. They're just in the way,
and there's so much that this country needs right now and
needs to move forward with that. They're just kind of
obstacles that I don't want to really waste my time
with them much anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get back. Let's get back here talking
about twenty twenty four. You said when you reached out
that you had some more thoughts on October seventh and everything,
So why don't you jump into that. I can talk
about that all days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I just I guess quickly what made
me the stormy episode that you did with him when
you guys were talking about left verse right and how
it just kind of they kind of pin people against
one another this summer when the was it this summer
whenever spring the protests on the college campuses were happening.
I found myself, obviously, I guess, sighting with the protesters,
like I supported them and what they were doing and
the message that they were putting out there. But then
I noticed a lot of my right wing Twitter friends
or whatever were the just blasting these people, and it
was I just didn't know why. You know, yes, many
of those people were the same BLM protesters that burned
down the cities in twenty twenty. I get that. I
totally get that. I did not support that, But I mean, look,
Scott Horton protests what Israel's doing?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Does that mean he should be beat up by the
police on a campus or anything like that. It's just
my fear is that the left, you know, when they say,
you know, whoever angers you conquers you. My fear became
that the left has just enraged the right so much
that it almost poisoned them where they started calling it
woke to protest the killing and massacre of children who
are just For an entire year now, we've been seeing
horrific images of and I didn't want to be part
of that quote, right, right, And so I found myself
even leaning more towards left positions that you know, Stormy
was even talking about, you know, are people having EBT
cards or healthcare education? And I completely agree with that
because someone asked me earlier this year after our episode,
they said, are you a socialist? And I said, you
know what, I don't know. Maybe right, if the people
who are controlling the means of production are people who
I want to be around and to share my values
and beliefs, then yeah, sure, I guess I am, you know,
And so these labels of left first right just kind
of it was really that campus protest moment that made
me kind of it really October seventh. All of it
led to that the core identity kind of dilemma that
I was early, that I was in earlier this year.
Speaker 1: Well, the whole socialist thing is throwing terms like that
around is just basically a relic of the post war
consensus and the Cold War. That's what that is. It's
just people they most people don't even aren't willing to
go back and figure out when the National Socialists called
themselves socialists what that meant? What did that mean, because
this is what I've been told socialist means, this is
what Lydvicvron Misas said socialism was, and nothing if you
try to It was like when I was reading Peter
Thiels You're at a one and he was defining a
monopoly literally had people just absolutely get completely upset because
he's not defining monopoly, right, fuck you, I'm I don't,
I don't know what else to say. He's presenting an idea.
He's presenting basically how you get from you know, oh,
we're just going to make a better We're going to
make a better version of this of the cell phone
to the next thing. And he's saying that, you know
you you want to do it this way, And I'm
calling that a monopoly. And you are going to have
a monopoly on the on the market at least for
a little while, you know, probably for a little while.
But this is what I'm calling a monopoly. And people
like people are so hung up on like the terms
and definitions everybody. People are more consumed by what terms
mean and how they may be applied to them than
they are ideas and how ideas influence you're thinking, how
you live and any kind of future thing movement for
lack of a better term, although that word doesn't really
mean anything anymore, but like how you would how you
would organize, how those ideas would help you to organize.
They're much more interested in, well, socialist means this, and
they call themselves socialists and he said this once, and
you know, well, what's the source on that. I don't
know what the source is on that. I'm just trusting
the meme. So I mean, I'm I'm less concerned with
the word someone's using. Then what the what the intention
is behind it, what the idea is behind it. But hey,
you're a socialist, You're woke, right, You're a Marxist. All
these people are Marxist. It's like, okay, well, I mean
if you're still fighting the Cold War, got right ahead.
I mean people seem to think, oh, if I use Marxist,
that's what boomers are. Okay, Well, how useful a boomers
to you? What what you you want a boomer?
Speaker 2: Waften?
Speaker 1: What are you going to do with that? They're all
going to get arrested, They're going to do stupid shit.
These are the people you want around you, I don't
think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people love their label, right. They want
to just be compartmentalized into things because again it's just
like comforting for them, it's just the their safe space,
if you will. And I just don't agree with this.
Someone someone I use the word racism once right earlier
this year, and I was talking about what I've seen
with my own eyes and ears, which is white people
being declined for jobs because they are white. And I said, hey,
that's racist. And someone was like, oh, look, you're using
a leftist term. And I'm like, when did racism exists?
I mean, I'm not gonna let the left convince me
that everything you know that the idea of racism isn't real.
Speaker 1: It is real.
Speaker 2: You can discriminate against people. White people are getting discriminated
against in schools, in classrooms and jobs and everything. It
is a real thing. So why can't I use this label?
Why do I have to be on, you know, team
if I want to be on team right wing, I
can't use certain words or I can't or even like
the Pope. Right the Pope came out saying that you
didn't want kids to die in Gaza, that it was
it's cool what Israel's doing. And I see people on
the right, saying, oh, well, look, the pope is woke.
Now why is he woke? What does that even mean?
Is it woke to not want kids to die? If so,
then yeah, call me woke. You know. It's just this year, Pete,
I really kind of shed every label that I was
I thought I was, or any political If you ask
me right now, what is your political preference? I don't
really know. If I don't have an answer to die,
I couldn't pin it to like a definition on Wikipedia. Really,
it just kind of I have my principles, I have
my beliefs in whatever is orbiting around that and is
in line with that, then I will kind of gravitate
towards that, so long as it's, you know, aligning with
my belief system at that time.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious that most
people who were out there arguing over words and attacking,
you know, using terms like well where I mean, they're
just it's all about identity to them. It's it's who
they are, how they're seen around there, around their in
group there in group is more important to them than
actually like recognizing who the enemy is. Like you know,
if you if you mentioned like kids dying in gaza
and you're like, and someone jumps on you about that.
It's like, okay, so every Hamas, every kid that's been
blown to bits in the last over what is over
a year now, is has what a Hamas fighter has
been hiding behind them? They were used, they were being
used as human shields. I mean, we have evidence that
they that they would kill somebody. They would kill somebody
random out in the open, who was just walking, and
then as soon as someone came to to scoop up
the body, they would shoot that person too. Didn't matter.
They didn't know if they were Hamas, they didn't know
if what they were, you know, and then you now
you see you know, I've seen videos of and and
they'll use this. I'll be like, oh, look at look
at how look at how they live in the gaza.
They're dead or just sitting out there, and dogs are
going up and eating eating the body. It's like, well,
why would you if you know that you're going to
be shot, if that's a decoy, if that's just something
they're using as a distraction, why would you go out there?
Even if it's a loved one, Your loved one would
want you to live and these people are so I
don't know what it is. It's like, I understand a
lot of my European brethren they really hate Muslims because
of everything that's happened there and everything. But you know,
no Muslim has ever called me a goy, and no
Muslim has ever charged me twenty percent interest. You know,
it's no Muslim has ever gotten my gotten my Twitter
account deleted, no Muslim has ever threatened me ever. I mean,
I don't live in the two thousand and one. I
don't live in the post nine to eleven, like right there,
you know, the first couple of weeks when it was
like they hate us for our freedoms and everything like that,
It's like, no, I know who my enemy is and
whoever is fighting my enemy. No matter what I think
about them, I'm going to hope they win and I'm
going to hope they do them damage. If you don't,
if you know, and you know, and I say this
all the time to my brethren in Europe, you know,
if you want to, you can look at all the
Muslims around you, and this guy, this fucking piece of
shit that just drove into a Christmas thing, you can
hate him and You can want to stop them, and
you can want to get rid of all of them,
and I want that for you too, but realize why
they're there and who put them there. If you I mean,
you can get to port them all now, but if
you don't cure the problem of the people who want
them there and the people who keep putting them there,
well you're just you're just basically putting a band aid
on a freaking gushing artery. And that people don't seem
people seem to just want to concentrate on, you know,
the wound or or the disease and not what caused it.
Because if you do that, you know you can some
people may call you name, or you may be targeted
or you're you know, you're kosher, right, friends on Twitter
may be upset at you. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Thomas has the best takes
when it comes to like Muslim Christian relations, right, or
he's just the best at just seeing what would exist.
I think it was him that said, you know, look,
these these migrants that are causing violence or whatever. These
are not like engineers or upper you know, very well
educated people from these Middle Eastern countries. These are like
riff raff, criminal, low educated, poor people that just come
in there and do things. And I'm not going to
sit here as me now, you know, I'm not going
to sit here and bash an entire you know, religion
of people because this other third party tribe has like
blown their country to pieces and caused that refugee migration
to them. It's it's so easy for people to flex
on you know, these migrants, but not look at the source,
because if you're going to go up against the source
of this, you're gonna have to go up against a
whole lot of power, right, So they just want to
flex and feel like they're doing something, so they go
against these civilians on the street or harass people whatever. Look,
if you if you keep them there, then yes, they're
going to influence the culture, right, which is what that
third party tribe, the Jays want, right. And if you
massacre them and start breaking down their doors and killing them, well,
guess what, that tribe will probably love that too. So
it's a lose lose situation for you. It's like, no
matter what you choose, the people that cause this are
okay with that. So I think, yeah, you have to
just kind of understand why these things are happening, why
are these wars being fought. I mean when we spoke,
when we spoke, what four months after October seventh, right
at that point, you know, I had thought that Israel
was like, really, you know, obviously the damage they've done
in the destruction and cruelty they've inflicted on these people
is just disgustingly horrendous. But now you know, as we're
here near the end of twenty twenty four here, I think,
short term, sure, they might be winning, but long term,
there's no way. I mean, the best experts, John Meherschreimers
of the world, all these guys, they all see it.
There's no way it Israel can sustain itself in where
it's going with the destruction they're doing. I mean, the
seeds have already kind of been planted. If you've been
reading the news just in the last couple of weeks, right Jordan, Egypt, Turkey,
there's like these things percolating where Israel's talking about maybe
going in there or some regime change or something, and
this Greater Israel map seems to be taking place. But
the more they stretch themselves out, I think, the more
you know, there's just this bloodlust right now that Net
and Yaho's on right now and Ben Givere and all
those guys, and it's not even about the hostages. I
don't want to hear anyone talk about the hostage anymore.
The best case scenario for Net and Yahoo is that
these hostages die. That's why he would love the most.
And they're interested to get these hostages. And so I
just think that's kind of where we're at with Israel,
is that the world is really waking up to this,
right and I think there will be a war. I
think eventually they will poke the there you know, Iran,
and there will be a war. But I think ultimately,
when all is said and done, at the end of
the day, I think they're going to be like a
pariah state in Europe and many countries around the world
are going to say, look, we're so sick of you.
You guys have depleted our resources, You're killing these people
just we don't want to just do business with you,
We don't want to look at you. And I think
Israel has a lot of problems coming down and in
his future, maybe not near future, but in his future.
Speaker 1: I think the only thing I disagree with you on
there is that Yahoo doesn't care if they die, but
he needs those hostages to stay alive because as soon
as they die, there's nothing holding them back from invading
and finishing this. He needs us to keep going because
for personal reasons, because you know, they want to remember,
before October seven, they were going to put them on
trial for corruption and a whole host of things. And
this is basically this, uh, this slaughter and everything that
they're doing postpones that. And one other thing that I
wanted to bring up was you know people will always
say like, well, if members of your group are showing
bad behavior, you need to step up, and the Jews
never step up and say bad things about you. Well,
yeah they did. There were Jews, a lot of Jews.
And this isn't my opinion. This is quote unquote right
wing Jews saying this that there were a lot of
left wing Jews protesting against we're speaking up against the
crimes of Israel. Well, what are you just going to
ignore them because you know you don't agree with them,
because you know they may they may push some Well, no,
they're speaking, they're fighting, they're fighting. I mean you want
them to fight, right, people who are divided, can't stand.
And you know, some people can say, well there are
there are Jews who plan the plan, the wars, get
the uh, get the refugees going, and then left wing
Jews on the other side they bring them in and everything.
Well that's you want if your whole goal is you
want regular Jews on the streets to step up and
be like they we can't do. Well, you had that
and you shit all over them. So you know it's
like why, because oh they will by by being against
Israel after October seventh, that means that they're pro Hamas. Well,
that's not necessarily true. I mean I think Hamas certain,
you know, pieces as shit, but they are fighting against
their trying to do damage to the enemy. Or there
are some people out there, you know, there's that small
minority who are like, this is all Cafe bro that
Hamas did this, this is all a plan, and everything
is just too this is a distraction, this is this
is the dialectic. They control everything, And it's like, wow,
you really think they're like Superman, You're bigger, You're a
bigger Zionist than Benjamin and yeaho unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, Kamas is doing. Is the
resistance there now they've even outlasted really has Bela in
my opinion, so they're the kind of the only really
resistance that's left, you know, with Hesbla. One thing that
drove me crazy was that they accepted that cease fire deal, right,
which is I don't know why they would why you
would accept that because if you remember, Hasbla was shooting
rockets in the northern Israel and they were kind of
hitting like military installments, right or just kind of that
north area. And when they actually hit a settlement a
couple of months ago, it did damage. I remember seeing it.
Immediately Israel wanted that ceasefire, and I thought that was
when that's the point where you just continue going. You
had the leverage there. But then immediately there was a
ceasefire that Israel still hitting you, right, They're still hitting
you despite the ceasefire. But that caused them to be
able to do with you know, to see what happened
in Syria and whatnot, and now they're in h taking
southern southern Syria and parts of that, and so I
just think they're just they're continuing to grow and grow,
and I don't know where it's going to stop. And
at what point Americans are going to kind of really,
you know, stop this. I'm very curious to see what
this Trump administration does with with Israel because I don't
know how how else you can protest. And so I mean,
the protesters are out there, they're doing their thing, and
whenever they protest, people say, look, you can't, you can't
do this, or why are you doing this with this
is not the way to protest. But all everything's exhausted,
All avenues have been exhausted in terms of protesting and
or trying to office. The Congress is you know, there's
some members of Congress that are really kind of I
think seeing where the demographic shift is happening when these
boomers die out, that these younger people are not going
to be putting up with with what Israel's doing, and
they're kind of getting ahead of the curve right a
substantial amount at least in my opinion compared to maybe
fifteen years ago, are waking up to this and actually
trying to stop Israel. But curious what you think, like
where this is headed, where what is Israel's destiny in this,
because I think they're just on this escryptological you know
crusade where they're trying to just get you know, trying
to shape the world in a way for certain things
to happen.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, first I will say, and I know
that a lot of people will disagree with this, is
I think the reason why has Bela backed off after
they did that and we're able to honor the truce
is because they have honor. Remember, Iran sent one hundred
and ninety missiles at or missiles rockets, I remember what
they were. I think they were missiles at Israel. None
of them hit, none of them dropped a building, none
of them went after residential places, and one hundred and
fifty of those got through. By the way, I don't
care if people may not realize that, because the press
isn't going to tell them that they they're fighting with honor,
and you're not fighting against an honorable people. You're fighting
against the people that will drop buildings, will drop residential
apartment buildings in cities and kill everyone in them. And
what you're supposed to believe because they told you, and
their press told you, and the quote unquote right wing
press in this country, even some right wing press, that
people may think is all alternative press told you was
that there were terrorists hiding underneath that building. Okay, well,
I mean no one, no one's presenting evidence of that.
And even if you do, it's like, oh, we killed
this one guy and everything. Okay, well maybe sure, but
you don't see them. You know, they talk about human shields. Okay.
Masad headquarters is in the middle of is like in
one of the most densely populated neighborhoods in Tel Aviv. Okay,
So if you were you definitely, if you're going to
go to war with someone, you would definitely want to
take out their intelligence. Well, in order to take out
Israel's intelligence, you have to drop bombs into a residential neighborhood.
If you drop bombs into a residential neighborhood, the press,
the neutral press in the West, is going to say
that you you know, you basically were target getting civilians,
that you didn't care about those civilians there. But you know,
Israel has been killed since October seventh, has you know?
I'm I'm not necessarily one of those people who's like, oh, well,
if if they crossed over in October seventh, then they
killed eight hundred civilians. You're only allowed to kill eight
hundred civilians in return. You don't have to kill any
civilians in return. Actually that you know, did anybody think
that Maybe you don't, you don't want it. If you
don't kill civilians in return, it looks better for you.
But I guess if you own the press, and you
own the hearts and minds of fucking boomerdom, and you
know most of the right quote unquote right wing in
this country, it really doesn't matter what you do. You
can just I mean, they can pretty much drop a
nuke anywhere they want, and people are going to make
excuses for it. I mean, I don't I don't see
anyone who is willing to stand up to them. And
then if they drop a nuke, you know, say they
decide to nuke Bagdad tomorrow. If you start saying, well
they shouldn't have done that, you know, that's you know,
you're looking to start World War three? Then you're anti Semitic.
That's that's where we are at this point in time.
And hopefully you know it's changing. And I'm not, like
I said, I'm not a populist. I'm not one of
these people who's like once to wake up all the normies.
But what you definitely saw was by more normies, by
more by more normies actually being suffering and saying that
they're suffering, a new set of elites stepped up. That's
the only reason to get get the populace talking they
so that elites step up and say, okay, well we
need to change things. So are the elites or like
the silicon of the PayPal PayPal mafia though, the ones
that Matt started talking about at the beginning of the
year and I picked up on in February and we
started talking about are they looking to stop this slaughter?
And I think they think it's bad for business, But
I don't know will they have any will they have
any influence? It seems like Elon has a lot of
influence and they're trying their best to destroy that influence
by saying, oh, he's the real president and they're trying
to play at Trump's ego so that he'll, let you know,
tell Elon to fuck off and everything. But it really
you know, I mean, I don't know what you can
hope for is that people are like, oh, well, it's
just going to be like Trump's first presidency and everything.
It's like, well, I mean, they didn't stop. He didn't
start any wars. And hope if he wants to stop
what's going on, hopefully he'll have people around him that
are better at doing that, and maybe he's learned from
you know, what's amazing is people can change their minds
that they can learn by from their mistakes, even like
seventy year old game show billionaires. They may learn from
their mistakes and be like, Okay, we're going to stop
this and we're going to pull our troops out of
this place. And if you don't pull our troops out
of this place, I'm going to court martial you and
you're gonna end up in Gitmo. Not saying Trump's going
to do that, but there's a chance he could do that.
And I know, just by me saying that, people are
just going to criticize me and go, oh, look he's coping.
Go fuck your selves, go to Canada seek healthcare. I mean, really, really,
I'm fucking done with people who just if you're blackpilling,
just fucking you know what to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I said in the beginning, you know,
I think Trump the man, the individual, genuinely does not
want war, right. I think there was an interview he did,
I think during his first presidents where he talked about
the Iranian people and how he didn't want to bomb them,
and he was like, well, why would I want to
kill people? Had nothing to do with it, And it
was very it was a very good glimpse into kind
of his humanity.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes when he talks a big game about
you know, giving hamas hell or whatever, maybe it's to
appease some donors or anything something like that. But I
think he genuinely wants to try and make peace, you know,
with Ukraine, with Gaza. I keep hearing people talk about,
you know, something happening between now and the inauguration. You know,
maybe it's Iran doing something or Israel doing something. I
hope that's not the case. I really hope Iran's not
stupid enough to escalate this before Trump comes in. Give
him a shot to you know, don't piss him off
right now, give him a chance to come in and
try to broker some peace. But we'll see what happens. Man.
I think, like you said, you're dealing with Israel, You're
dealing with just like just savages, right, just brutal savages
that don't care about human life. I mean, why would
they when they think they're superior to everyone that they're killing, right,
And it's kind of like you said, I was surprised,
you know. I think when this started in October seventh,
had had Israel went in there, had the IDF went
in there, given food to the people, you know, maybe
you know, help them out, whatever you could have. They
could have shaped public opinion in the Arab world, Arab
Muslim world in that region a lot, right. You didn't
have to slaughter all these people. They could you could
have turned them, maybe not one hundred percent obviously in
your favorite because of the deep rooted history, but at
least maybe kind of convinced the second generation to be
more peaceful with you. And then then the third generation
kind of played a long game there. But because like
you said, they don't, no one's going to stop them,
they had no incentive to really act in that way.
They just you could just bomb anyone you want, kill
anyone you want, point out anti Semitism whenever you want.
I mean, you're just dealing with people that you cannot.
Everything is just like a contradiction, right, everything is just
when you tell them, hey, stop killing people it's always okay,
well why have what about the Armenian genocide? What about
this genocide? And it's always you know that what about ism?
And what frustrates me, especially with that argument, is that
these other genocides, they every government acknowledges that they were bad.
You know, no one has to point out that these
these genocides were awful, you know, but when you do it,
no one it's like they can't. It's not the same thing.
You know, the world's superpower is not agreeing with they're
supporting you really in this, so it's different, right, And
so they're just these people like promote multiculturalism for the world,
but they're their own ethno state. Uh. They promote reason
for everyone else, but they're guided by eschatological motivations. Uh.
It's just even smaller things like like that. The new
story about it was a Columbia professor who was teaching
a class on Zionism. They were blasting him. Okay, well,
plenty of Jews teach about you know, American history. They weren't.
They weren't there when these things happened, So why did
they need to teach about that? Or obviously the obvious ones,
you know, they're white when it's convenient. They're Jewish when convenient.
It's religion what's convenient. It's a race when it's convenient.
Criticism of Israel is anti Semitic, but also American Jews
and Israel are not the same. So there's this barrage
of these like arguments or these like pick and choose
things that they keep throwing at people, and I'm just
kind of tired of pointing them out because pointing them
out doesn't really do anything. I've noticed, it doesn't do anything.
It might convince, you know, people that are neutral, I guess,
but I just want That's kind of why I got
off Twitter, right, It's more every day I'd log in
and I'd see the same arguments, the images of dead kids,
and people pointing out you know, the whole can you
imagine crowd. I just kind of got tired of that
because it wasn't doing anything. It wasn't solving anything, and
so I thought, let me just back away and work on,
you know, maybe long term solutions or try to do
what I can to kind of change this, whether it's
calling members of Congress and sending letters or whatever. It
may be better than just kind of pointing out what
Israel's doing, and they know what they're doing, and they
know we know what they're doing, and it's just not
nothing was changed. At least that's the way I saw it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, when you have a group of people
who are basically child raping cabbalists, you're not going what
do you expect from them? You're just going to expect that,
you know, and they're they're atheists, they don't believe in God.
They just use the Bible as a as a guide book.
So you know, why are they killing all these people
because they're am alect Because they're because this book tells them,
this book gives them the cover.
Speaker 2: To do it.
Speaker 1: And you know, a bunch of you know, a good
majority of Christians in the West have been brain Washington
into believing, yeah, well they have to do this or
Jesus isn't going to come back. And it's like okay,
well yeah, se yeah that works out. But yeah, I mean,
at this point, I'm not going to stop saying the
things I say. I'm not going to stop constantly retolding
how I see things because things constant, things are constantly changing,
and you have to look at things in certain ways
you didn't look at them, you know, say twenty years ago,
say ten years ago, you know, say ten months ago.
And you know, I'm not going to listen to anybody,
you know, criticize me for that. I think from what
I from, most of the people I hear from, they
appreciate it, and they appreciate somebody who can look at
these things and be honest about them and not lie
to them. You know, I'm not pretending to be anything.
I'm just just just doing what I do and being
who I am. And one of the things that when
you see things like this happening in the world, when
you see, you know that one group has so much power, well,
you know, you're you really have to consider that. You
you must figure out a way to deal with that,
not only in like your own life and strategies that
you would do, whether they be financial, whatever, but you're
also gonna have to deal with that inside. You're gonna
have to deal with that on a metaphysical level. You're
gonna have to deal with that on a mental level.
And I think that most people don't realize that they're
not They're so set in their ways of well, you know,
I look at the world, this way and if the
world was just this way, well it's not. It's not.
So what are you what are you doing to.
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Are you just are you on a high horse where
you're like, well, you know, if they would have just
done it my way and they're never gonna do it
your way? Okay, So what do you figure out a
way to defeat your enemy? Figure? I mean, that's what
that's the history of mankind. People have enemies. There are
always enemies. How do you defeat them? Do you go
head on? Do you retreat? Is it a little bit
of both? Is it a completely different you know, you're
going to try something completely different that hasn't been tried
in the past. Yeah, okay, I'm before all of that.
I may not agree with it. I'm for all of it.
But to just sit there and be like, well, nothing's
ever going to get better. Sorry, I can't. I cannot
have people around like that. I can't talk to people
like that. I run away from people like that. It
is just it's it's too much to deal with. I mean,
I would much rather face to face or online go
right at somebody who I completely disagree with and get heated,
then sit there with somebody who mostly agrees with me,
but it's just like, well, I can't agree with you
that everything is going to get better or that anything
could possibly get better. Look at how much money Mariam
Aidelson gave to Trump. You gave him one hundred million dollars, yeah,
and Elon Musk gave him two hundred and fifty million.
Do you think Elon Musk isn't expecting something in return?
And do you think maybe Elon mus whatever Elon Musk
want may butt heads with what Mariam Adelson wants. What
about Timothy Mellon who give one hundred and seventy million?
What does he want? I mean, it's just okay, yeah,
there there's an enemy. Miriam Aidelson is part of that
enemy group. But there's also other things to take into consideration.
And just because you may be hearing things come out
of certain people's mouths at certain times where you're just like, oh,
I give up, Nope, nope, back to the black pill
and everything. The guy's not even fucking president yet. Is
that going to be president for what another but twenty
seven days?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, twenty eight days and people are already completely defeated.
I can't live my life like that. Man, I can't.
And if you're living your life like that, I mean,
just stay away, stay away from me. I really don't.
I fucking can't. And if you think you have solutions
but your solutions are complete, I mean your your solutions
are as delusional as like libertarian solutions are just in
the state broa stay away from me. I can't anymore.
We're coming on a new year. Everybody makes resolutions in
the new year. My resolution is I'm going to avoid
these people like the plague. And if that means that
I have to just really go on Twitter to promote
the show, and that's it, I'll do it. I mean,
it's just it's too much. It's draining, and maybe that's
the whole purpose of these people is to be fucking
vampires and just zap every bit of your life force.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dread is not going to help make next
year right. It's just, you know, the thing is like
George Soros gets money to the other side, right, So
it's like what the whole Miriam Manelesen thing, Like you said,
there's there's competing interests involved. I'm very hopeful that he's
going to do what's right again for the country and
I'm hopeful that America and Americans are going to wake
up and they did after the election and see that
there's problems that exist and that we need solutions. Now
these people that are you know, not you know, white
pillared or I guess not hopeful. Yeah, you can't twenty five.
I'm looking at my resolutions now. Actually, it's funny to
say that you can't waste time with them, especially next year.
You have a good platform. You're putting out information, and
there are people that are very receptive to that. I
know people that have listened to your show that didn't
know anything, didn't know any of the books that you've
ever read, they're starting to read them. They're starting to
get involved in their political process. They're becoming more eloquent
and articulate in there and how they say things that
involve current events. And so, you know, anytime, for every
hopeless person, there's a hope full person that's born, I think,
and I'm optimistic about that. And to your point about
just going back to Israel real quick, about how they're
just complete savages and killing everyone. Yes, the fact that
the resistance movements aren't bombing civilian targets, I think you know,
I'm I'm not saying they're like one hundred percent honorable
or anything, but usually honor wins out. I think at
the end of the day, honor will always win out
over just complete savagery. This is my opinion. And so
I think what we'll see is Israel probably just spiral
and destroy itself eventually. If the people inside Israel who
are there are people that understand what's happening and they
see They're like, well, our country's going to shit. This
is this is not the trajectory we need to be on. Guys.
If those voices start waking up and speaking up more,
things can get better, for sure. But I guess you know,
we started this year having a conversation about kind of
twenty twenty four and where we're going. And I think
despite all the news and all the events that happened
this year, I am coming out of it pretty hopeful.
People are waking up. You know, we went through COVID,
we went through the woke, that woke phase, which I
think is pretty much dead at least I do. People
are taking pronouns out of their emails. People bathrooms are
back to being men and women again. I've seen you know,
people are trying to take things seriously again and they
see what's happening and uh, and they're ready for real,
real solutions, and the hopeless people can just whatever, they
can just exist.
Speaker 1: Well, I think one thing that you said there that
that I'll disagree with is I think there's for every
like Doomer, there's a thousand people who were hopeful. The
problem is is it for sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just meant like, yeah, yeah, there's yeah. No.
Speaker 1: The problem is is that those people are actually doing
They're out there doing stuff. They reach out every once
in a while, and I mean it's like, you know,
just an adrenaline shot when they do. But it's the
it's the doomer who is the one who wants to
get in your face because not only do they want
to prove you wrong, but they just want to prove
how right they are. But the problem is improving how
right they are. They're revealing exactly how hopeless they are.
It's like, Okay, you got that right. What did that
get you by being right about this one this one subject?
Or so yeah I told you Trump wasn't going to
do this. Okay, what did that get you?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I mean, what else are you doing if you're if
you're hopeless, you know, and if you're hopeless and you
and you yeah, but if you're hopeless and you tell me, well,
I mean, I'm just I have to become a political
because I'm working on this over here, I'm working to
improve myself. I'm working to do this for my family.
Totally get that. The problem is is that most of
these doomers that want to just absolutely monopolize your time
and try to zap your energy, most of them aren't
doing that. I mean they're they're just they're not. I mean,
some of them could actually be you know, successful in
what they do in their in like their business. But
if you're completely a do how does that? How is that?
So say you're you know, say one of these doomers
is like a you know, is a programmer or something
like that, they make good money. What are you doing?
How is that? How is that translating into success for
you beyond what you're doing? Because if you just go
to work and you come home and then it's just nothing, Okay,
well how is that helping? And you're like, oh, well,
you know, got to help my people. You know, white
people are under attack. Okay, what are you doing for them?
What what are you doing? I mean it's like I
don't know, I pretty much don't know anyone in North
Carolina or Tennessee or anywhere who were that were affected
by Helene. But I mean I've done more to raise
money for them and get them supplies. Then you know
most of the people who are running around going, oh,
we need to do stuff for our people. Okay, well
what are you doing? And you know, shout out to
people like Jay Ford, not me, not you, Mellon, all
those guys who went up there and put in the
time and went up there when there was no electricity
anywhere to be found. And but yeah, I mean what
did you do? You know? I mean, if you donated,
you're heroic. That's heroic. You did something. Somebody who sent
five dollars to try to help and get tense or
anything going up there did more than the person who's
just black pilling online. And I mean I had people
who would you send me ten dollars to be like
this is all I can send. I'm like, fucking heroic,
fucking I mean, they sent what they could what I mean,
what they could spare. And there are a bunch of
people who have tons to spare who were just like, ah, nah,
there's I talk about my people all the time, but
apparently they aren't their people. I don't know, maybe because
they're not in the city or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, those people you mentioned are the
future leaders of I think this country right. I'm a
full believer in an American revival. I think America always
perseveres when when it understands there's a parasite or some
subversion or anything, it will clean it out, It will
get rid of it and recalibrate itself. I think America's
future is hopeful, and that the term that I think
of when you were speaking is solidarity, which is another
left quote left term that's used. I'm gonna use it
anyways because it applies to this. That solidarity among the
people in North Carolina and affected areas is important, that
bond of unity. I think that's what we need. But yeah,
that that to me is a major white pill. That
people went out there. They didn't just kind of, you know,
point on the sidelines and say, oh, look this is
you know this, this is not good. This is uh,
this is bad, and nothing's gonna be good. Is going
to come out of this. It's really just kind of
just shutting up taking action, and good things will come
from that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I want to say that if you can't,
if you weren't able to send anything, and you just
you know, you had prayers, good thoughts for them, that's enough.
But it's the people who are the people who could
and just won't. Yeah, I mean, I just I just
don't get it. I just don't. Well, I mean, I
can't trust that you know, the money will go anywhere? Okay,
all right, you don't. Well, I'll tell you. You know, there
there are people up there who, like you said, they're
the future. They're the ones who stepped up, went to
a very very uncomfortable place and a dan injurious place
and showed that they cared. And yeah, my hat, my
hat goes off to those guys. I mean, those guys
are real heroes. I Melan and I text every day,
you know, about what's going on up there. And you know,
apparently Danny, who was on the an episode I think
it was eleven forty eight, said that what what we
were able to raise on our end was more than
what professional you know, professional people who raise money, you know, well,
why because I'm not taking up None of us are
taking a cut, not doing this so that you know,
the Red Cross is like what's seventy to eighty percent overhead?
You said, you send them a dollar, they send that
twenty cents, maybe ten cents and taking a fucking dime
for doing this. We're doing this because this is the
right fucking thing to do, and you know, yeah, it
really it really pisses me off that, Like I mean,
had some people that come in and just trying to
blackpill and everything like that and be like, oh, oh,
you know, I know those guys up there, and those
guys they're not helping anybody. There's only like two people
missing right now.
Speaker 2: And it's like, really, like, what's the purpose of that statement, right?
What good does that manifest into the universe? While you've
been putting that out there, it's just pointing out things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were up there, why aren't you up there now? Yeah?
Well yeah, well they really if those people were up
there at all, they're probably useless. Just asked to leave.
That's probably the best. That's the best thing you could do.
Speaker 2: I hope these people, these leaders, uh can somehow get
into the political positions and really make institutional change. But
oftentimes I find the people that are doing good on
the ground don't have time for politics. Not that there's
not good people that do that, but they're too busy
doing good for their community and helping people. Whereas these
other people are who aren't doing anything, they have plenty
of time to go run for office and be corrupt
and all that. So I'm hoping that the people who
love this country and love their communities and their people
can somehow find that time to also get into positions
of power and influence because I think that's what's needed.
Speaker 1: And the support and the backing to do it, because
it's all about it's all about money getting in there.
So yeah, I mean twenty twenty four. We were going
to talk about twenty twenty four, and then I just
went off on some rants because you know, I guess
it's I guess I was using this as my end
of the year rant show. I did a live stream
yesterday and we mostly try to stay positive in that,
but yeah, this was you know, it's one of those
years where it's like, oh, one person started running for
started running for president and then got replaced by you
know what. You know, your whine aunt, and yet seventy
million people voted for her because this country's is absolutely
insane in many parts. And yeah, but I mean, I
don't know how people can't be hopeful, you know, the
you have to believe that if if she would have
won and this regime would have had their typical kind
of puppet in place, that financially things would have went
to shit. I mean, it was just and people like
Elon Musk would have been targeted for supporting Trump, all
these people who all these billionaires, who knows what they
would have done, just absolutely destroy these people as well.
I mean, look at what they did to Kanye just
because he you know, mentioned the Jews. He said the Jews.
You know, he said two words together. You're not allowed
to say the Jews.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, luckily, though, she did not win, and
the American people made the right choice, right, So that's
a huge white pill for me. Our only option is
to be white piled, can be black piled. There's hope
out there in America will persevere. That's just that's I'm
committed to that belief.
Speaker 1: I talked to people all the time who are like, no,
it would be better off if she won. Yeah, it
would be better off if our you know, if people
who maybe they're not our people, but them having influence
and chasing their self interest helps us. I don't believe
there would be any self anyone who would have been
employed in the in the Harris White House would have
had our self interest or their self interest would have
aligned with ours in any way, shape or form. Oh,
it would have been so much better if she would have.
You know, it would have woken up so many more normies.
It's like normies, really, what are they induced to storm
the capitol? Is that the gon do end up in
jail again? Well do you see what normies do when
they get excited? It's sad. This is exactly Yeah. Well anyway, man,
we're recording this on the twenty third, so I will
say Merry Christmas to you, and Happy New Year you
as well.
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, enjoy the time with the family, Pete, And
I know you're gonna crush next year again. This year
flew by, but you're putting out great content and I
cannot wait to see what you have in store for
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it, and I didn't invite year to
flake me but I do, uh do I do appreciate
the kind words and everything. But yeah, maybe we'll maybe
we'll hook back up in the middle of the year
and do our recap and talk about all the you know,
any good things that happened, and you know we can
need some crow too. Absolutely all right later, thanks Mat,