Speaker 1: Thumb back to the Epstein chronicles. In this episode, we're
Speaker 1: gonna hop back to August first of twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: and an article from Radar Online. In this episode, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the Ponzi scheme that Jeffrey Epstein was
Speaker 1: involved in that somehow he avoided all responsibility for. So
Speaker 1: let's dive into this article that was authored by Dominic Utten.
Speaker 1: Headline how Jeffrey Epstein made a fortune from an illegal
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme then skipped away with millions of other people's money.
Speaker 1: Sounds about right par for the course for mister scumbag himself.
Speaker 1: And there was never any restitution for these people. They
Speaker 1: stole millions of dollars. Him and Steve Hoffenberg. They stole
Speaker 1: a grip of money from these people. And while Hoffenberg
Speaker 1: paid his debt to act doing eighteen years in prison,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, of course, was able to go on and
Speaker 1: continue his streak of rape and abuse and money laundering
Speaker 1: and god knows what else. When the full horror of
Speaker 1: billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's crimes were laid bare in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: the world wondered how he managed to get away with
Speaker 1: his abuse for so long. But as authors Dylan Howard,
Speaker 1: Melissa Cronin, and James Robertson revealing their book Epstein Dead
Speaker 1: Men Tell No Tales, the man who would be unmasked
Speaker 1: as the worst pedophile in American history was guilty of
Speaker 1: other criminal acts too, and should have been should have
Speaker 1: been jailed in the early nineteen nineties. All of that
Speaker 1: is correct. Dudes should have been in prison a long
Speaker 1: time ago. If it was you or I who got
Speaker 1: involved in one of these Ponzi schemes, or you know,
Speaker 1: redirecting money from someone's pension, you better believe we'd be
Speaker 1: doing prison time.
Speaker 2: And we should be right.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm all for prison rehabilitation, like I always say,
Speaker 1: and for people being able to, you know, not get
Speaker 1: felonies or not be put into jail for minor drug possession.
Speaker 1: But if you're stealing money like this from people's pensions
Speaker 1: and you're involved in financial dick hettery, well, my friend,
Speaker 1: there is a nice place for you in jail. As
Speaker 1: the authors explain, Epstein's rise through Wall Street was unusual
Speaker 1: and unusually fast. Born in New York and raised in
Speaker 1: the quiet Brooklyn community of Seagate, his early life seemed unremarkable,
Speaker 1: and after leaving university without graduating, he initially worked as
Speaker 1: a math teacher in Manhattan before being dismissed from the
Speaker 1: prestigious Dalton School for his lackadaisical teaching style. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's all it was. I'm sure that he never
Speaker 1: made any passes at any girls while he was at Dalton. Nah,
Speaker 1: that never happened. He was a master manipulator. They right,
Speaker 1: but Epstein's manipulations weren't always done through legal means. By
Speaker 1: the early nineties, the authorities had set their sites on
Speaker 1: Epstein for operating a multimillion dollar Ponzi scheme. Now think
Speaker 1: about that for a minute. When the authorities zero went
Speaker 1: on you for a Ponzi scheme and they're building a case,
Speaker 1: you know, money laundering, wirefraud, all of their favorite charges, well,
Speaker 1: you know that you're in big trouble. And it is
Speaker 1: exceedingly rare for people to end up walking when they're
Speaker 1: caught up in something like this. And usually when you
Speaker 1: do walk, that's because you turn snitch. You're ratting out
Speaker 1: all of your co conspirators. You're ratting out anyone who
Speaker 1: was involved in the scheme and you're looking to not
Speaker 1: end up doing years VI e Rico charges. So that's
Speaker 1: obviously what Epstein did. He obviously turned rat, told the
Speaker 1: authorities what was going on, and started his working relationship
Speaker 1: with whichever scumbag in the government you want to add.
Speaker 1: But the fact is, you don't just walk on stuff
Speaker 1: like this if you're not being protected. Howard, Cronin and
Speaker 1: Robertson also note that the master manipulator was to use
Speaker 1: his dismissal to his advantage. True to form, Epstein somehow
Speaker 1: managed to turn that failure into a stepping stone to
Speaker 1: even greater success a job on Wall Street. They write,
Speaker 1: during a parent teacher conference, the twenty three year old
Speaker 1: had managed to dazzle one student's financier father. So when
Speaker 1: Epstein was fired from Dalton, the broker connected Epstein with
Speaker 1: Alan Greenberg, a Wall Street bigwig who was poised to
Speaker 1: become chief executive officer of multi billion dollar global investment
Speaker 1: bank and brokerage firm bear Stearns. How many times are
Speaker 1: you gonna fall face first and land clean? It was
Speaker 1: a common procedure for Epstein. How many people leave, leave
Speaker 1: their little shitty ass teaching job and go get a
Speaker 1: job with bear Stearns. How many people happened to just
Speaker 1: meet someone's dad during a parent teacher conference and go
Speaker 1: on to have this whole Wall Street career. See that
Speaker 1: whole entire thing, this whole genesis story here really doesn't
Speaker 1: add up to me, honestly. Later that year, Epstein landed
Speaker 1: a job at bear Stearns as a low level junior
Speaker 1: assistant to a floor trader. He swiftly rose through the ranks,
Speaker 1: and within four years he had become a limited partner,
Speaker 1: taking on mega millionaire clients like Seagram president Edgar bronf Bronfman.
Speaker 1: H Where we heard that name before? Oh, that's right
Speaker 1: in the Nexium trial. Huh, Clara Bromfman, her sister. They
Speaker 1: were right at the top with Keith Rainiery. You see
Speaker 1: how all of this is circular. You see how all
Speaker 1: of these people at some point were rubbing elbows and
Speaker 1: breaking bread and hanging out with each other, getting in
Speaker 1: on Wall Street before the nineteen eighties banking boom allowed
Speaker 1: Epstein to build a spectacular network of connections that made
Speaker 1: him the toast of Manhattan during one of the most
Speaker 1: prosperous decades it had ever seen. Well, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: about that this point in time, Wall Street was quite
Speaker 1: possibly the greediest it has ever been. Remember the movie
Speaker 1: Wall Street with Charlie Sheen and Michael Douglas. That was
Speaker 1: a good characterization of stockbrokers and Wall Street in general.
Speaker 2: Greed is good.
Speaker 1: Remember that line you ask me how I know, Well,
Speaker 1: I might have a stockbroker or two floating around in
Speaker 1: my family. Look, the moral of the story is the
Speaker 1: financial sector is broken, and all of these people that are,
Speaker 1: you know, running around in the financial sector. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what to say, honestly, at this point, it
Speaker 1: is an absolute shit show the way they conduct business.
Speaker 1: In just a few short years with Bear Stearns, Epstein
Speaker 1: had made millions of dollars, was traveling full time by
Speaker 1: chauffeur Limo, had billionaires relying on his financial advice, and
Speaker 1: was carousing around town with stunning women on both arms. Still,
Speaker 1: it was not enough. Epstein's greed and ambition were to
Speaker 1: push him to grow even more desperate and reckless in
Speaker 1: his pursuit of money and influence. And that's how it
Speaker 1: always is with these guys, right, Greed, greed, greed, and
Speaker 1: more greed, and thankfully, a lot of times that's also
Speaker 1: what ends up getting them captured, their greed and their hubris.
Speaker 1: In early nineteen eighty one, one of Epstein's colleagues at
Speaker 1: bear Stearns tipped off management that Epstein was testing the
Speaker 1: boundaries of the law, right Howard Cronnin and Robertson. After
Speaker 1: an investigation, Epstein admitted he had loaned twenty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: to a friend, Warren Eisenstein, who then used the money
Speaker 1: to invest in stocks, with Epstein's insider knowledge guiding him.
Speaker 1: It was unethical and potentially illegal, not for Epstein always
Speaker 1: finds a way to wiggle off, doesn't he. Epstein somehow
Speaker 1: managed to escape with a twenty five hundred dollars fine,
Speaker 1: but a few days later he was under the spotlight
Speaker 1: again when the US Securities and Exchange Commission opened an
Speaker 1: investigation into Epstein's client, Edgar Bronfman, and Epstein was accused
Speaker 1: of legal securities violations. That should have been in the
Speaker 1: end of it right there. He should have been busted
Speaker 1: and absolutely disgraced. But that's not the case, is it.
Speaker 1: We all know that Epstein somehow, some way parlayed this
Speaker 1: into what we see occur later on, depending on who
Speaker 1: you ask. Epstein was either unceremoniously fired at that point
Speaker 1: or quit in a blaze of glory. The authors continue.
Speaker 1: Either way, it left the unabashed social climber in a
Speaker 1: very undesirable position. No longer a Wall Street wonder kind.
Speaker 1: Epstein was jobless, homeless, and running out of funds. He
Speaker 1: had to get creative. Yeah, well, we all know how
Speaker 1: he got creative, don't we. That creativity was to lead
Speaker 1: Epstein to take on controversial black market clients like Saudi
Speaker 1: era Abian businessman ad Non Koshogi four, whom he helped
Speaker 1: broker global armament deals, including the sale of major weaponry
Speaker 1: like the a Wax airborne Warning and Control System aircraft.
Speaker 1: So here your ties with Jeffrey Epstein and Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: Remember we were talking about the Saudi Arabian passport. Well,
Speaker 1: when you're helping guys like Kashogi out Ad Non Koshogi,
Speaker 1: not Jamal Kashogi, the one who was killed by the
Speaker 1: Saudis in the Turkish embassy, but ad Non Koshogi, the
Speaker 1: famed arms dealer, Well you know that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: some ties to the Saudi royal family. And Epstein obviously
Speaker 1: parlayed those ties into getting himself that fake passport, and
Speaker 1: lord knows what else. In nineteen eighty seven, Epstein's business
Speaker 1: affairs had become increasingly shady, and it all came to
Speaker 1: a head when he met Steve Hoffenberg of Tower Financial Corporation,
Speaker 1: a leading debt collection and corporate rating agency at the time.
Speaker 1: So right off the bat, the second you tell me
Speaker 1: you're a debt collector, I gotta roll my eyes. Debt collector?
Speaker 1: The hell does that even mean? In an exclusive interview,
Speaker 1: Hoffenberg tells the authors of Epstein Dead Men Tell No
Speaker 1: Tales what attracted him to the financier pedophile. I was
Speaker 1: very impressed with the unbelievable personality and unbelievable ability of
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein to become a friend, and the uncanny ability
Speaker 1: that he had as a mastermind criminal on Wall Street.
Speaker 1: He says, Jeffrey Epstein was brilliant, was a brilliant, brilliant
Speaker 1: Wall Street mastermind in criminality, for securities fraud.
Speaker 2: I was greatly.
Speaker 1: Impressed with his demeanor, his ability to understand complex securities,
Speaker 1: underwritings and sales to investors. So that shorthand for Hoffenberg,
Speaker 1: saying he recognized someone who would be a important cog
Speaker 1: in his upcome schemes because of Epstein's he was so
Speaker 1: unusual as an executive and had so much ability. It
Speaker 1: was just very surprising how gifted he was. His ability
Speaker 1: to sell you securities when you weren't looking to acquire
Speaker 1: securities was remarkable. He would end up convincing you to
Speaker 1: buy securities in Towers Financial. You weren't even considering that
Speaker 1: he had that gift and that ability. So basically he's
Speaker 1: a bullshit artist, snake oil salesman, Carnival Barker, kind of
Speaker 1: like a lot of these people out here putting out
Speaker 1: these stupid articles we see all the time. But once
Speaker 1: again Epstein could not resist the shortcut, even if it
Speaker 1: was illegal.
Speaker 2: Quickly they set the setup.
Speaker 1: At Towers Financial evolved into a huge Ponzi scheme. As
Speaker 1: explained by Hoffenberg, you raise money from one investor to
Speaker 1: pay another investor. That's the simple definition of ponzi. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein participated full time and was a mastermind in that
Speaker 1: part of the Tower financial crimes. Towers Financial got into
Speaker 1: an awful lot of legal problems and litigations and ended
Speaker 1: up going into bankruptcy. Now normal people who get caught
Speaker 1: up in this, they go to jail man, they go
Speaker 1: to prison. After the authorities were alerted to the illegal scheme,
Speaker 1: trustees were appointed to operate the company, and once again
Speaker 1: Epstein showed his talent for manipulation. Jeffrey Epstein had a
Speaker 1: very strong relationship with the lawyers that the trustees hired.
Speaker 1: Hoffenberg tells the authors. Actually, the trustee in bankruptcy at
Speaker 1: Towers Financial, a man named Alan Cohen, hired one of
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's best friends and lawyers in Dike and Khan
Speaker 1: to investigate Jeffrey Epstein at Towers Financial, which is remarkable.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein manipulated that occurrence without question. So there's another
Speaker 1: little golden nugget for you. When I talk about Indike
Speaker 1: and Khan and how crucial they were, you see it
Speaker 1: here on the ground level. Jeffrey Epstein manipulated the situation
Speaker 1: so that these guys in Dike and Khan were the
Speaker 1: ones performing the investigation on Epstein, his best friends. Basically, nah,
Speaker 1: no nepotism out over here.
Speaker 2: There's no.
Speaker 1: You know, two leveled playing field, no two tier justice system.
Speaker 1: Give me a break. The outcome was even more jaw dropping.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety five, Hoffenberg was sentenced to twenty years
Speaker 1: in prison, a one million dollar fine, and four one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three million dollars in restitution, while Epstein
Speaker 1: he dodged all charges. I wonder why. So this is
Speaker 1: in my mind anyway, this is where Epstein was really
Speaker 1: locked in as an informant.
Speaker 2: The way we talked.
Speaker 1: About Whitey Bulger, how he was working with the government
Speaker 1: and they were willing to look the other way thing
Speaker 1: with Epstein. Epstein was not punished in the crimes at
Speaker 1: Towers financial Hoffenberg continues, Jeffrey Epstein's ability as a master
Speaker 1: criminal got him out of the penalty box for all
Speaker 1: of that. That's what happened continuously in his other criminal
Speaker 1: charges as well, and we have seen a pattern of that. Right,
Speaker 1: normal people don't get off on things like this. Hell,
Speaker 1: normal people don't get off on anything. But somehow Epstein,
Speaker 1: somehow found a way what could and almost certainly should
Speaker 1: have been a lengthy prison stretch and financial ruin was
Speaker 1: instead a mere footnote in Epstein's life story. And as
Speaker 1: Howard Cronin and Robertson reveal, Hoffenberg believes the pedophile may
Speaker 1: even have used the scheme to fund his future crimes.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't doubt that.
Speaker 1: I guarantee that Epstein was not only stealing from the clients,
Speaker 1: but stealing from Hoffenberg. This dude was using that money,
Speaker 1: setting up offshore accounts, the whole fucking thing. Man, have
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Epstein didn't just escape justice, they right.
Speaker 1: Hoffenberg claimed he moved on to new adventures. With millions
Speaker 1: in his pocket. Epstein was able to fund his criminal
Speaker 1: enterprise financial Trust Company and Jeffrey Epstein in company. Hoffenberg
Speaker 1: alleged there was another I believe it was international asset collections.
Speaker 1: He was able to fund it with the assets and
Speaker 1: money from the Towers financial crimes. And we all know
Speaker 1: that should never happen. If you get caught up in
Speaker 1: something like this, you should do time, you should be indicted,
Speaker 1: you should have your assets seized. But none of that
Speaker 1: ever happened for Epstein. None of it. And when when
Speaker 1: we go back and we look at stories like this,
Speaker 1: it just shows you. It shines a spotlight on how
Speaker 1: egregious it all was, how the government failed at every
Speaker 1: level to stop this man. How many chances did they have,
Speaker 1: and how many times did they fail to stop them.
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Speaker 1: The link that we discussed can be found in the
Speaker 1: description box fun and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about Jeffrey Epstein once again,
Speaker 1: and how he got one of his survivors, a sixteen
Speaker 1: year old girl, to recruit over seventy underage girls for
Speaker 1: him by buying her items in her baby registry and
Speaker 1: the rest of it. Just another disgusting tale of Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein and his disturbing, gross behavior.
Speaker 2: As if you needed.
Speaker 1: Another story to slam it home at this point, But
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing here. We're cataloging all of it
Speaker 1: because this is one of the most disastrous, embarrassing moments
Speaker 1: in the history of our country in my opinion. All
Speaker 1: of the people that knew what he was up to,
Speaker 1: all of the people that knew what he was doing,
Speaker 1: and nobody steps up to stop him. So, yeah, you
Speaker 1: want to talk about a black eye, you want to
Speaker 1: talk about some filth that needs to see the light. Well,
Speaker 1: look no further, my friends, because Jeffrey Epstein and his
Speaker 1: disgusting ass story is where you will find it today.
Speaker 1: Our article is from the Daily Mail headline Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: got Survivor sixteen to recruit over seventy underage girls for
Speaker 1: him by buying every item on her baby registry, and
Speaker 1: then lost interest in sexually abusing her after she had
Speaker 1: given birth. So Jeffrey epstein'shole MO was until you're older looking,
Speaker 1: or until you're older, then I'm going to molest you.
Speaker 1: That's how you're old. And then when you got to
Speaker 1: a point where you weren't what he wanted anymore, you
Speaker 1: were just tossed to the wayside, no more interest in you,
Speaker 1: doesn't need you anymore. You were just another tool for
Speaker 1: him to scratch an itch with. That's what it comes
Speaker 1: down to, and that is this sixth son of a
Speaker 1: bitch that all of these people love to hang out with.
Speaker 1: You know, I just saw an interview with Hillary Clinton
Speaker 1: where she's going ham on everybody, this, that, the other thing.
Speaker 1: But yet not one of these interviewers have the courage
Speaker 1: to ask her a few simple questions such as, why
Speaker 1: were you and Bill Clinton vacationing at Zoro Ranch? Or
Speaker 1: why was Bill Clinton getting a massage from a trafficked girl?
Speaker 1: Or why did Glene Maxwell get invited to Chelsea Clinton's wedding?
Speaker 1: Or why did Jeffrey Epstein give you guys over six
Speaker 1: million dollars for the Clinton Global Initiative? Nobody wants to
Speaker 1: ask these questions, And I'm stumped as to why could
Speaker 1: it be that they're whitewashing Bill Clinton's involvement here. Now,
Speaker 1: let's remember what Nancy Pelosi's daughter said, some of our
Speaker 1: faves are gonna get caught up in this whatever that means,
Speaker 1: talk about vague comments and then she has nothing else
Speaker 1: to really say going forward.
Speaker 2: Right, all of these people with all of.
Speaker 1: These big commentary, But yet when the chips are down,
Speaker 1: where are they all at? How many people are still
Speaker 1: pining for justice here? How many people made a few
Speaker 1: bucks and then just dipped? See, this is more than
Speaker 1: that for me. This is about justice. This is about
Speaker 1: all of us being screwed by a runaway federal government,
Speaker 1: and most certainly about these survivors who have been forgotten
Speaker 1: about and cast aside for the very last time, as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. This article was authored by Chris Spargo,
Speaker 1: one of the many high school students who was allegedly
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein, managed to keep making money
Speaker 1: even after the pedophile lost interest in abusing her. The
Speaker 1: young woman, identified in court records as LM, revealed in
Speaker 1: depositions that she had been to Epstein's home more than
Speaker 1: fifty times between the ages of thirteen and sixteen, getting
Speaker 1: several hundred dollars after each visit in exchange for the
Speaker 1: sexual abuse she was forced to endure. The money dried up, however,
Speaker 1: when she became pregnant, she revealed, explaining that Epstein did
Speaker 1: not have any interest in sexually assaulting girls and women
Speaker 1: who had given birth. This was how he rolled. He
Speaker 1: wanted young girls, girls that he considered I don't know
Speaker 1: new Baile or whatever the hell they were calling them,
Speaker 1: but the fact is these are the kind of girls
Speaker 1: that he wanted. And once this girl was pregnant, that
Speaker 1: was the end of it, the end of her road.
Speaker 1: You no longer have any use to me, sweetheart, is
Speaker 1: basically what he told her. But he did have other
Speaker 1: plans for that had nothing to do with him assaulting
Speaker 1: her anymore. Epstein had bigger plans for LM, however, and
Speaker 1: managed to convince her to take on a new role
Speaker 1: as one of his recruiters. He did this, explained LM's
Speaker 1: lawyer Bradley Edwards in one deposition, by purchasing every single
Speaker 1: gift she had registered for ahead of her baby shower
Speaker 1: and having one of his female staffers drive them over.
Speaker 2: To her house.
Speaker 1: So if if this was a RICO case like it
Speaker 1: should have been, whoever the female driver was who drove
Speaker 1: these items to her house, that person would be nailed
Speaker 1: under RICO as well for being part of a criminal conspiracy.
Speaker 1: But they never did the Rico right, And you ask
Speaker 1: yourselves why they didn't do it. Keith Rainiery Rico, r
Speaker 1: Kelly Rico, every mob boss you've ever met ricoed, not
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, not Glen Maxwell. And my guess is my
Speaker 1: speculation is and that's because we all know where all
Speaker 1: signs would point if we hit it with Rico. We
Speaker 1: know what happens on the street if you follow the money,
Speaker 1: that money goes to a drug dealer, right, Well, where
Speaker 1: does the money go after the drug dealer? Usually just
Speaker 1: some shitbag politicians office. Given her own struggles, Lm was
Speaker 1: never charged for her role or even considered to be
Speaker 1: brought up on charges when Epstein was first investigated in
Speaker 1: two thousand and five by Palm Beach officials. If she
Speaker 1: was thirteen, she shouldn't have been. She was groomed and
Speaker 1: trained to take part in this. Any of these girls,
Speaker 1: Virginia robson any of these girls who were groomed into
Speaker 1: their role, they certainly are not a Sarah Kellen Vickers
Speaker 1: or a Leslie Groff, an older woman who knew what
Speaker 1: they were doing and went into this with their eyes
Speaker 1: wide open. Ellen M said that she hid the money
Speaker 1: she made in her room and used it to purchase
Speaker 1: clothing and shoes, which your family could not afford at
Speaker 1: the time. And I don't know about you folks out there,
Speaker 1: but when you're poor and everybody else has something and
Speaker 1: you don't have it, it's a big deal, especially when
Speaker 1: you're a teenager. And that's what these girls were doing.
Speaker 1: They were trying to keep up with the Joneses. Right,
Speaker 1: we need to get a few more bucks. I don't
Speaker 1: have the money to buy these clothes. Go out with
Speaker 1: my friends. Oh, here's a quick way to get it,
Speaker 1: and when you're this age, you don't think the long term,
Speaker 1: You don't think about the consequences of these actions. In
Speaker 1: one deposition, she recalled how she stood over Epstein naked
Speaker 1: with a nude friend just twelve next to her and
Speaker 1: pin the pedophiles nipples. Elm was living in a trailer
Speaker 1: at the time and said that the money she was
Speaker 1: getting made a huge difference. Again, if you've never been
Speaker 1: broke or poor, you don't know how much of a
Speaker 1: difference a few hundred bucks makes. Have you ever had
Speaker 1: no money in your pocket and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you got yourself a crispy hundred dollars bill in there?
Speaker 1: Sure makes a whole difference about the way you feel
Speaker 1: about yourself, doesn't it. Now Think about never having that
Speaker 1: hundred dollar bill to put in your pocket and going
Speaker 1: through every day hand to mouth, just thinking about your
Speaker 1: basic necessities being met. How am I gonna eat? How
Speaker 1: am I gonna have a pair of shoes that don't
Speaker 1: have holes in them? How am I going to get
Speaker 1: to school without being picked on by the other kids
Speaker 1: because of my clothes? And this is the kind of
Speaker 1: shit that poor kids have to deal with.
Speaker 2: Court.
Speaker 1: Documents filed in one of his many legal battles include
Speaker 1: the details of an interview former Daily News Gossip columnist
Speaker 1: George Rush did with Epstein that was killed by mort Zuckerman,
Speaker 1: the paper's owner at the time and the pal to
Speaker 1: the pedophile good old Morties Zuckerman, who keeps getting his
Speaker 1: name dragged into this case time and time again. Remember
Speaker 1: he's involved in the Dershowitz and Robert's lawsuit as well.
Speaker 1: My question is, why weren't all of these people dragged
Speaker 1: in from the very beginning recode and given a chance
Speaker 1: to explain themselves. If you have nothing to worry about,
Speaker 1: you have nothing to worry about.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Once the interview was quashed, Rush agreed to share the
Speaker 1: details with private investigator Michael Fiston, who testified under oath
Speaker 1: to the details of that conversation. Epstein reportedly told Rush
Speaker 1: that he should not have been in jail, called his
Speaker 1: underage victims prostitutes, and said that the lawsuits which he
Speaker 1: agreed to as part of his sweetheart deal with prosecutors
Speaker 1: were just an attempt for the young assault victims to
Speaker 1: cash in on his millions. So everybody was trying to
Speaker 1: extort him that's what he had to say for himself.
Speaker 1: He should have never been to jail. The girls, these
Speaker 1: little twelve year old girls, they're prostitutes. Imagine this sick,
Speaker 1: fucking guy having that kind of brain pattern and thinking
Speaker 1: like that. And I'm telling you right now, if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for him avoiding justice, I would have been doing
Speaker 1: the crip walk down the street when he got murdered
Speaker 1: in jail or killed himself in jail, or however he went.
Speaker 1: Because this is a piece of shit that does not
Speaker 1: deserve to share the air that we're all sharing. Those
Speaker 1: feelings seem to be confirmed by his actions at the time,
Speaker 1: with multiple court filings dealing detailing how he hired men
Speaker 1: to stalk some of the young women. The act was
Speaker 1: a clear violation of his parole, but Epstein made no
Speaker 1: secret of his actions, nor did the many hire to
Speaker 1: follow and dirass his victims. This is something I always
Speaker 1: just shook my head at. Now I understand that we're
Speaker 1: talking about they were following the victims around here, But
Speaker 1: any of these men who had these lawyers catch up
Speaker 1: to them, or I mean, these investigators following them around,
Speaker 1: you don't question that. You don't stop your car hop
Speaker 1: out and get ready to give them the smoke, because
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, if you're following me around or
Speaker 1: you're rifling around in my trash and you don't have
Speaker 1: a badge, we're gonna have a big problem. And even
Speaker 1: if you have a badge, I'm gonna have a few
Speaker 1: things to say to you. But if you don't have
Speaker 1: a badge, you and I are going to have some words.
Speaker 1: Homi Rush said that he would paraphrase his recording of
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein to Fist according to the court filing, and
Speaker 1: provide him with the highlights. Fist was a Fiston was
Speaker 1: a private investigator as well, but working for A Jane
Speaker 1: Doe in the case. As opposed to Epstein, he stated
Speaker 1: that he did nothing wrong and went to jail for
Speaker 1: no reason. Epstein said that he would have just paid
Speaker 1: a two hundred dollars fine had the offense of curred
Speaker 1: in Manhattan and then proceeded to badmouth the opposing council
Speaker 1: and underage females he sexually assaulted. Of course, it would
Speaker 1: have just got swept under the rug in Manhattan. What
Speaker 1: do you think cy Vance is gonna get knocked off
Speaker 1: his perch and try and arrest Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, you
Speaker 1: couldn't do that. That would go against the guilded folks.
Speaker 2: He referred to lawyer.
Speaker 1: Brad Edwards as an ambulance chaser states the filing, and
Speaker 1: his clients such as LM as a person who came
Speaker 1: to him as a prostitute and drug addict. Imagine man
Speaker 1: talking about these little girls like that, Oh she's a prostitute,
Speaker 1: she's a drug addict. If she's either of those things,
Speaker 1: you made her both of them. You sick, disgusting bastard,
Speaker 1: Fist continued. He stated that all the girls suing him
Speaker 1: are only trying to get a meal ticket. Rush also
Speaker 1: told Fists that Epstein was particularly upset about the fact
Speaker 1: that Edwards had deposed Glen Maxwell. Epstein referred to Maxwell
Speaker 1: as a good person who did nothing wrong. This all
Speaker 1: ended with Rush actually taking a buyout at the paper.
Speaker 1: He also denied ever telling Fist about the recording, saying
Speaker 1: that only three people and his lawyer had heard the
Speaker 1: tape of his conversation. Imagine hiding this tape, not letting
Speaker 1: anyone hear it. What a piece of shit, an absolute
Speaker 1: piece of shit. This Rush guy is all of them,
Speaker 1: the whole lot of them, folks, I have no use
Speaker 1: for any of them. Not included in the filing were
Speaker 1: the emails Rush sent FIST that were written by the pedophile,
Speaker 1: including one about the k That same case also went
Speaker 1: into Epstein's campaign of intimidation against some of the survivors
Speaker 1: in the case. Jane Doe had a trial set for
Speaker 1: her civil case against him on July nineteenth, twenty ten.
Speaker 1: As that trial date approach defended, Epstein intimidated her in
Speaker 1: violation of judicial non contact orders. Stated one filing, that's
Speaker 1: how year old he would threaten people, send people over
Speaker 1: all of it. On July tenth. A July twenty ten,
Speaker 1: he had private investigator tell Jane Doe following her every move,
Speaker 1: stopping when she stopped, driving when she drove, refusing to
Speaker 1: pass when she pulled over. When Jane Doe ultimately drove
Speaker 1: to her home, the private investigator then parked his car
Speaker 1: approximately twenty five feet from Jane Doe's house and flashed
Speaker 1: his high beam lights intermittently into the home. You see
Speaker 1: this right here. It would never work because I'm going
Speaker 1: to make you. If you're following me, I'm going to
Speaker 1: have you follow me to a part of town where
Speaker 1: you're not going to be welcome. But I am see
Speaker 1: how that works. I'm not rowing Pharaoh. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 1: one of these you know, bread ass journalists out here.
Speaker 1: I'm not playing no games with these people. You get
Speaker 1: out here, you start following me around, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a big problem. The whole intimidation factor. I just don't
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I really don't like bullies, folks,
Speaker 1: not in the least. It continued even more threateningly about
Speaker 1: ten thirty PM, when Jane Doe fled her home in
Speaker 1: the company of a retired police officer employed by Jane
Speaker 1: Doe's council. The private investigator attempted to follow Jane Doe
Speaker 1: despite her request not.
Speaker 2: To do so.
Speaker 1: The retired officer successfully took evasive action and placed Jane
Speaker 1: Doe in a secure, undisclosed location. That night. Other harassing
Speaker 1: actions against Jane Doe also followed. And this is the
Speaker 1: sort of shit that Jeffrey Epstein was always up to,
Speaker 1: trying to intimidate, trying to make it so people wouldn't
Speaker 1: speak out against him, and trying to use his vast
Speaker 1: contacts to make sure all of that stuff happened.
Speaker 2: Well, guess what those days are over.
Speaker 1: Nobody's scared of you anymore. You're not having any investigators
Speaker 1: follow anybody anymore, and all of your crimes are gonna
Speaker 1: be brought to light, and all of the people that
Speaker 1: were rolling with you, they're gonna be exposed as well.
Speaker 1: All Right, folks, it's gonna do it for this episode.
Speaker 1: If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
Speaker 1: at Bobby Gapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bbu
Speaker 1: Y c apu Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can
Speaker 1: also find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore c ap
Speaker 1: u Cci. The link that I discussed can be found
Speaker 1: in the description box. The headline is come Spy with Me.
Speaker 1: Gilain Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were spies who used underage
Speaker 1: sex to blackmail politicians. Ex Handler claims, Oh so the
Speaker 1: media wants to report on this now? Huh. I've only
Speaker 1: been saying this since the very beginning. It's nice to
Speaker 1: see that they, with all the their vast resources, they're
Speaker 1: finally jumping on board and finally bringing the truth to
Speaker 1: their readers. Because that's what this is, folks. This was
Speaker 1: all a blackmail scheme. That doesn't mean Jeffrey Epstein wasn't
Speaker 1: a sick pedophile, Oh, he absolutely was, but he was
Speaker 1: turned into this, this gigantic trafficker by his buddies and intelligence.
Speaker 1: Let's see what this article has to say. Gislain Maxwell
Speaker 1: and are pedophile lover Jeffrey Epstein were both Israeli spies
Speaker 1: who took pictures of powerful men having sex with underage
Speaker 1: girls to blackmail them. Their alleged Masad handler has sensationally
Speaker 1: claimed the pair allegedly ran a honeytrap operation where they
Speaker 1: would provide young girls to politicians in order to squeeze
Speaker 1: them for information for the Israelis. Okay, Like I said,
Speaker 1: there's no way that the Massad was running that operation
Speaker 1: in America without the CIA's blessing and a not from
Speaker 1: the CIA.
Speaker 2: They believe me.
Speaker 1: The Messade definitely runs operations in America without checking in
Speaker 1: with the CIA, There's no doubt about that. But there
Speaker 1: is no way, no way that they could have they
Speaker 1: could have done this without the CIA knowing, no way.
Speaker 1: The unsubstantiated claims have been made by Aery Ben Manash,
Speaker 1: who claims he is a former Israeli spy. Ben Manash
Speaker 1: claims that he was the handler of Glan Gilaane's dad,
Speaker 1: Robert Maxwell, who was also a spy, and that he
Speaker 1: was introduced to former he introduced the former newspaper baron
Speaker 1: who introduced Epstein and his daughter to the Israeli intelligence agency.
Speaker 1: There you go, folks, We've talked about this guy several times.
Speaker 1: He's he's an ext Israeli military intelligence official, and uh,
Speaker 1: look he's coming out and he's putting this on the record.
Speaker 1: His name, the whole mine, all right. He makes the
Speaker 1: unverified claims in a new book called Epstein Dead Men
Speaker 1: Tell No Tales. In a preview of the book shared
Speaker 1: with The Son Online, Ben Minash says, mister Epstein was
Speaker 1: the simple idiot who was going around providing girls to
Speaker 1: all kinds of politicians in the United States. See around,
Speaker 1: see f and around is not a crime. It could
Speaker 1: be embarrassing, but it's not a crime. But efing a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl is a crime. And he was
Speaker 1: taking photos of politicians e fing fourteen year old girls.
Speaker 1: If you want to get if you want to get
Speaker 1: it straight.
Speaker 2: Wow. So we've already we've discussed this.
Speaker 1: For those of you who are just joining the show
Speaker 1: who've never heard this stuff, before. This is something that
Speaker 1: Whitney Webb from mint Press was talking about for a
Speaker 1: very long time. This is something that people in intelligence
Speaker 1: circles have talked about. In fact, a couple of my
Speaker 1: sources have talked about this as well. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I really don't have too many sources in this whole
Speaker 1: Epstein thing, but I have sources in other areas, and
Speaker 1: the these people were telling me that there seems to
Speaker 1: be legs with this man's his accusations and what he's saying.
Speaker 1: They Epstein and Maxwell would just blackmail people. They they
Speaker 1: would just blackmail people like that. Ben Minash is a
Speaker 1: mysterious Iranian born Israeli businessman who claims to have worked
Speaker 1: from Masade from nineteen seventy seven to nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1: He was arrested in nineteen eighty nine in the US
Speaker 1: on arms dealing charges, but was acquitted in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: after a Jerry accepted he was acting on behalf of Israel.
Speaker 1: So do you need more? Do you need more evidence
Speaker 1: that he worked for Israel? He was arrested and then
Speaker 1: let go in the United States on arms dealing during
Speaker 1: the whole Iran Contra affair, and was let free. Does
Speaker 1: it sound familiar, Gilane, Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, They all get
Speaker 1: their their sweet deals because intelligence Israel tried to distance
Speaker 1: themselves from him, with government sources saying he never had
Speaker 1: any thing to do with intelligence services, although other news
Speaker 1: reports in both the US and Israel confirmed he did.
Speaker 1: Of course, they're gonna say that because they know what
Speaker 1: he's saying now is bad news for them. They know
Speaker 1: it's bad news for the Massad. They know it's bad
Speaker 1: news for all of their honey their their little honey
Speaker 1: pot traps running around. They know that it's if this
Speaker 1: gets blown out, this gets you know, the doors blown
Speaker 1: off of it, and everybody knows, well, they're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to work this anymore. He later wrote
Speaker 1: a book called Prophets of War Inside the US Israeli
Speaker 1: Arms Network, and in the early nineteen nineties claimed that
Speaker 1: Robert Maxwell, Gilane's dad, worked for Massad. Well, we've we've
Speaker 1: seen the evidence of that. Go back and listen to
Speaker 1: the episode Closer Look the Mega Group. We go into
Speaker 1: all of this. The new book takes this further and
Speaker 1: claims Maxwell may have worked for other governments too as
Speaker 1: a double or triple agent. Ben Manash claims that despite
Speaker 1: reports Epstein and Gilaane Maxwell met in the nineteen early
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties in New York, they actually that much earlier
Speaker 1: through the socialite's father. And that's interesting. That's an interesting claim.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that one before, so that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: That's something that definitely warrants more research. He claims that
Speaker 1: Robert Maxwell introduced Epstein to Massad and then gi Lane
Speaker 1: got involved. Later, files from the British Foreign Office released
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three appeared to back the claim
Speaker 1: that Maxwell may have been a spy, with one report
Speaker 1: describing him as a thoroughly bad character who was being
Speaker 1: financed by Russia, and another saying his questionable activities had
Speaker 1: been brought to the attention of the Foreign Officer on
Speaker 1: several occasions. So there was a lot of reports that
Speaker 1: he was not only acting as an agent for the Massad,
Speaker 1: but he was doubling as an agent for Russia as well.
Speaker 1: And we all know that there's a lot of ties
Speaker 1: between these powerful Israelis and Russia. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of Russian Jews that they wanted to bring back to Israel,
Speaker 1: So there's the ties run deep. While the Maxwell family
Speaker 1: have always denied such reports. Family Laura Goldman says in
Speaker 1: the book, my feeling is that he probably was an
Speaker 1: agent to the Russians, the Israelis, and the British. I
Speaker 1: believe that Gilang continued his work boom bang, bunzo dunzo.
Speaker 1: Laura Goldman, a family friend, says this all right, it's
Speaker 1: not just you know, some wide eyed conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: There are serious.
Speaker 1: Allegations of this being a blackmail ring. And we don't
Speaker 1: hear about that in the American press at all. The
Speaker 1: American press is way too busy with their stupid, silicious
Speaker 1: headlines that mean nothing. All right, can we get some
Speaker 1: meat please? Can someone really get on this story? Can
Speaker 1: somebody run with this angle? It is not known whether
Speaker 1: Maxwell and Epstein gathered any intelligence about about pal Prince
Speaker 1: Andrew and their alleged espionage work, although the book suggests
Speaker 1: the royal was a target. Of course, he was a target.
Speaker 1: That's the whole reason he came to New York to
Speaker 1: break up with Epstein. I've said that several times. John Dougan,
Speaker 1: who served as deputy sheriff in Palm Beach, Florida at
Speaker 1: the time Epstein was in pre is in for his
Speaker 1: first slew of child sex offenses. Says he was given
Speaker 1: access to Epstein's case file, including videotapes in its entirety,
Speaker 1: by Palm Beach Police detective Joseph Ricari, who later died
Speaker 1: unexpectedly aged fifty. Dugan managed to copy the tapes, encrypt them,
Speaker 1: and fleet to Russia, where he now lives. Well, I
Speaker 1: would like to see those tapes. If this mister Dugan
Speaker 1: has those tapes, and we've talked about him before, I
Speaker 1: would definitely like to see them. Although he has not
Speaker 1: watched the encrypted files, he tells Epstein's dead Men Tell
Speaker 1: No Tales that he is certain they contain blackmail material
Speaker 1: involving wealthy people and that Prince Andrew was a target.
Speaker 1: Do I think that Epstein was probably put up to
Speaker 1: getting some wealthy people to sleep with some underage women
Speaker 1: so those people could be blackmailed by Western intelligence agencies? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I do, He said, I six were concerned that Russia
Speaker 1: may have obtained kompromot compromising material on Prince Andrew, according
Speaker 1: to a Times report, although Dugan he has given no
Speaker 1: information to the Russians. So this John Duke and We're
Speaker 1: going to do a closer look on him. I'm on
Speaker 1: the fence about him, about his claims. I really don't
Speaker 1: know where to fall when it comes to him. I
Speaker 1: think he's more credible than that Patrick Kessler clown, But
Speaker 1: as far as having access to these tapes and these documents,
Speaker 1: I really don't know if I believe that Epstein was
Speaker 1: found dead in his New York prison cell on August
Speaker 1: tenth after allegedly committing suicide while he faced charges for
Speaker 1: sex trafficking minors. Melissa Cronin, the book's author, believes that
Speaker 1: Epstein's alleged intelligence links add weight to the theory that
Speaker 1: he did not kill himself, but he was murdered. She
Speaker 1: also points to Epstein and Maxwell's links with prominent people
Speaker 1: from the science and technology industries and believes that pair
Speaker 1: not only ran a honeypot operation, but also an information
Speaker 1: gathering operation. Well, yeah, of course, why do you think
Speaker 1: he was funding all of these academics. And we haven't
Speaker 1: even gotten into all of that yet, folks, right, this
Speaker 1: is still just the beginning stages of our investigation. He
Speaker 1: was so ensconced with the most powerful people. Such regular
Speaker 1: billionaires don't get to do that.
Speaker 2: Before I started with the book.
Speaker 1: I was extremely skeptical of the murder theory, she told
Speaker 1: Son online. I'm definitely not a conspiracy theorist by nature
Speaker 1: at all. But the more that we dug into this,
Speaker 1: there's just so much incontrovertible evidence about his work in
Speaker 1: the world of espionage, his work with Masad, and it
Speaker 1: all comes together to make a really compelling argument for
Speaker 1: the fact that he was murdered. I think one thing
Speaker 1: that is interesting and important to say is that Epstein
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily a spy in the traditional sense. He wasn't
Speaker 1: particularly loyal to Israel per se. He was a collector
Speaker 1: of information exactly. He was an asset. He was being
Speaker 1: run as an asset, and he would have sold that
Speaker 1: information to anyone. So of course there was the blackmail
Speaker 1: aspect of what he was doing in terms of the
Speaker 1: honey trap and getting this footage of people that he
Speaker 1: could use as leverage. At the same time, something that
Speaker 1: a lot of people haven't really explored is how he
Speaker 1: cultivated these relations relationships within science and technology. We get
Speaker 1: really deeped into that into the in the book and
Speaker 1: to how he was meeting with an extracting really sensitive
Speaker 1: information from scientists and eminent theorists is and things like that.
Speaker 1: That material, probably even more so than the blackmail material,
Speaker 1: is what really would be of interest to a foreign
Speaker 1: power such as Israel.
Speaker 2: Of course, we've already.
Speaker 1: Talked about some of the different you know things they
Speaker 1: were involved in, some of the different software, some of
Speaker 1: the different computer programs. That's what they really They want
Speaker 1: this technology. You know how expensive this technology is. They
Speaker 1: want this technology and that's what they're going for. Gielan
Speaker 1: Maxwell has previous previously denied any wrongdoing. Son Online reached
Speaker 1: out to her representatives for Maxwell. Representatives for the Israeli
Speaker 1: government did not respond to requests for comment.
Speaker 2: Well there you have it, folks.
Speaker 1: So for anyone out there who is on the fence
Speaker 1: they're not sure what this blackmail operation and intelligence operation,
Speaker 1: the evidence is all right there for everybody to see.
Speaker 1: You just have to be willing to understand that your
Speaker 1: government is evil. Once you come to the conclusion that
Speaker 1: your government is capable of doing anything, well, then it's
Speaker 1: not hard to believe that they're involved in stuff like this.
Speaker 1: So let's keep up the pressure, folks, Let's keep it going.
Speaker 1: We're turning the predator into the prey and That's exactly
Speaker 1: what we need to keep doing right here on this
Speaker 1: podcast and on other shows where other content creators are
Speaker 1: talking about this. We just got to keep the pressure
Speaker 1: on because it's there. Obviously, we're it's showing results, all right,
Speaker 1: it's showing results. These aren't the old days where these
Speaker 1: powerful people can hide their crimes. Everybody has the power
Speaker 1: to do the research that they need to do right
Speaker 1: in the palm of their hand now, so there's no
Speaker 1: excuse to be ignorant of who Jeffrey Epstein is or
Speaker 1: what his case is, just like the Crown Princess from
Speaker 1: Norway was.
Speaker 2: If you would like to.
Speaker 1: Contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapucci at
Speaker 1: ProtonMail dot com. That's b O B B Y C
Speaker 1: A p U C C I at ProtonMail dot com.
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