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Speaker 1: of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.
Speaker 1: Listener discretion is advised. Hi, this is Tanya. Hi, this
Speaker 1: is Shannon, and we are Crimes and Consequences, a hardcore
Speaker 1: true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya, how are you?
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Speaker 1: Nice? I have done jack shit today. I'm happy about
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Speaker 1: I are gonna go get some ramen for dinner. My
Speaker 1: husband is working tonight, so I think we're gonna go
Speaker 1: get some ramen for dinner. So that's what I have
Speaker 1: in store. So nice. Last week I told the story
Speaker 1: of Stephen Stainer, Yes, and I alluded that that was
Speaker 1: like part one. It was part one of a two
Speaker 1: part series about the Stainer brothers, because Stephen not only
Speaker 1: had a crazy story, but his brother Carrie also had
Speaker 1: a crazy story. And Carrie is a little bit younger
Speaker 1: than Stephen, but they both went in very different directions.
Speaker 1: So before I get started, I would just like to
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Speaker 1: AF you're listening to. And my story begins. In February
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety nine, forty two year old Carol's son
Speaker 1: and her fifteen year old daughter, Julie Taken, family friend
Speaker 1: and sixteen year old Sylvina Palazzo to a vacation at
Speaker 1: Yosemite National Park. Sylvina had come from Argentina as a
Speaker 1: foreign exchange student. Carol had participated in a student exchange
Speaker 1: program when she was young, and she met Sylvina's mother
Speaker 1: during her time there. She rented a red Pontiert Grand
Speaker 1: Prix for three to four hour drive to Yosemite National Park,
Speaker 1: wanting to share the beautiful scenery and activities with the teenagers.
Speaker 1: They were going to stay the night and make the
Speaker 1: drive back the next day, where they planned to meet
Speaker 1: Carol's husband Gens. Well it's actually YenS, but it's spelled Gens.
Speaker 1: You know, Jay sounds like a why. They were going
Speaker 1: to meet him at the San Francisco airport to return
Speaker 1: the rental car, but they never showed up. YenS made
Speaker 1: frantic calls to the airport, the hotel, and their neighbors.
Speaker 1: No one had seed them or had any information on
Speaker 1: where they could be. Eventually he called the sheriff and
Speaker 1: the police. He thought they possibly had gotten maybe into
Speaker 1: a car wreck while driving back. It was February and
Speaker 1: there was still a good amount of snow and ice
Speaker 1: lingering in Yosemite Park. He said, the thought of violence
Speaker 1: or other criminal activities hadn't really crossed his mind at
Speaker 1: that point. Days turned into weeks with no new leads.
Speaker 1: The Palazzos family came from Argentina to join the search
Speaker 1: for their daughter. It was the largest search that had
Speaker 1: taken place in Yosemite history. Carol, Julie and Sylvina planned
Speaker 1: to stay near Yosemite at a rustic lodge in a
Speaker 1: prime location just seven miles outside the main entrance gate
Speaker 1: of the park called Cedar Lodge. The lodge was made
Speaker 1: of several buildings, an outdoor pool and hot tub, and
Speaker 1: detached restaurant. When law enforcement arrived at Cedar Lodge to
Speaker 1: conduct interviews, you know, gathering information, they toured around the
Speaker 1: grounds and had all the rooms opened up for them
Speaker 1: to search by the properties maintenance man. Flyers with the
Speaker 1: women's pictures and a photo of the car were in
Speaker 1: the news and hung up in the surrounding areas. On
Speaker 1: March eighteenth, nineteen ninety nine, so this is maybe like
Speaker 1: five weeks, a man named James Power stumbled upon a car,
Speaker 1: a Pontiac Grand Prix, while on a hike in Yosemite,
Speaker 1: about one hundred miles from the Cedar lodge in a
Speaker 1: secluded area about one hundred yards north of Highway one
Speaker 1: oh eight. The vehicle had been set on fire and
Speaker 1: had been burnt so thoroughly that there was no paint, rubber, plastic,
Speaker 1: or upholstery left. The hiker called, yeah, I know, it's
Speaker 1: quite a thorough.
Speaker 2: Job and right in the middle of nowhere in Yosemite.
Speaker 1: Right right. Hiker called the California Highway Patrol to report
Speaker 1: the location. When they arrived the following day, investigators opened
Speaker 1: the trunk and found the remains of two bodies burnt
Speaker 1: beyond identification. Evidence surround the car was collected. They had
Speaker 1: found the keys to the car, shoes, a personal CD player,
Speaker 1: and a camera. Within the pictures that had been taken
Speaker 1: with the camera, there were shots of Carol, Julie, and Sylvina.
Speaker 1: Photos of the ladies hiking through Yosemite ice, skating, and
Speaker 1: in their room at the lodge doing handstands and relaxing
Speaker 1: like those were all on the camera. When the bodies
Speaker 1: that were found in the trunk were eventually identified, they
Speaker 1: were found to be Carol's sunnd and Sylvina Palasso. Reports
Speaker 1: of the discovery of two of the three women being
Speaker 1: found spread across the country with one big question remaining,
Speaker 1: where was Julie. With so many unanswered questions and a
Speaker 1: killer on the loose, everyone was afraid. Tourism at Yosemite dropped,
Speaker 1: with even locals no longer visiting the park, resort, and restaurant.
Speaker 1: While spring had always been a time when Yosemite began
Speaker 1: blooming with greenery and new life, the spring of nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine was different. Searchers were combing through the countryside roads,
Speaker 1: ditches and the rivers round where the vehicle had been found,
Speaker 1: with no sign of Julie. It was in late March
Speaker 1: when the authorities finally received another clue. This one was
Speaker 1: in the form of a taunting letter. When it was opened,
Speaker 1: it showed a note that said, quote we had fun
Speaker 1: with this one end quote, with a crudely drawn map underneath.
Speaker 1: The map showed Highway one twenty, the Don Pedro Reservoir,
Speaker 1: and a place called Vista Point with an X marked
Speaker 1: close by. Searchers began feeling hope that with this clue
Speaker 1: they might find Julie alive. The investigation moved to the
Speaker 1: area shown on the map and a cadaver dog was
Speaker 1: brought in. It was about forty miles from where the
Speaker 1: car was found. The dog only needed ten seconds to
Speaker 1: find Julie's body. Oh my gosh, she had been raped
Speaker 1: and her throat was slit. Over the course of several weeks,
Speaker 1: a task force made of FBI agents and other law
Speaker 1: enforcement officers was created to begin rounding up suspects consisting
Speaker 1: of sex offenders, drug users, and next convicts with a
Speaker 1: history of violent offenses, focusing on people that would have
Speaker 1: been familiar with the area. It was stated in Newsweek quote,
Speaker 1: the FBI believes that the killer knows the area of
Speaker 1: abandoned gold mines well enough to hide the car off
Speaker 1: a spur road where locals dump old refrigerators, cars, and
Speaker 1: washing machines, and well enough to know that the smell
Speaker 1: of a burning car would likely not attract attention because
Speaker 1: the air often reeks from people burning their garbage end quote.
Speaker 1: It was mid April when the FBI announced the key
Speaker 1: players in the Sightseer slings had been arrested and were
Speaker 1: in jail on unrelated charges. Forty two year old Michael
Speaker 1: mick Larwick had been a longtime matthewser who grew up
Speaker 1: near the area where the bodies of Carol and Sylvina
Speaker 1: had been found arrested on March sixteenth after he'd allegedly
Speaker 1: shot a Modesto police officer, which led to a fourteen
Speaker 1: hour standoff. His long criminal rine didn't vode well for
Speaker 1: him during his lengthy FBI interview. Larwick's half brother, thirty
Speaker 1: two year old Eugene Rufus Dykes, had also been taken
Speaker 1: into custody due to an unrelated parole violation connected to
Speaker 1: one of his previous charges. Those previous charges included sex
Speaker 1: and weapons convictions. He was presumed to also have been
Speaker 1: involved in the women's disappearances. Other ex convicts the FBI
Speaker 1: presumed to be key players included Billy Joe Strange, a
Speaker 1: thirty nine year old parole working at the Cedar Lodge
Speaker 1: restaurant who'd been arrested when his parole officer went to
Speaker 1: visit him and allegedly smelled alcohol on his breath. Many
Speaker 1: people actually rushed to his defense, calling the FBI's suspicion
Speaker 1: a travesty. So just to put that in there.
Speaker 2: They're so desperate to to try to find somebody to
Speaker 2: pin it on, Yet to.
Speaker 1: Pin it on. Also taken into custody was Darryl Grace
Speaker 1: Stephens at fifty five years old. Stranger's roommate mister Stevens
Speaker 1: had been convicted in nineteen seventy eight for rape and robbery.
Speaker 1: He was jailed on March fourteenth for failing to register
Speaker 1: as a sex offender. By the summer of nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: after the announcement of the arrests, tourists began returning to
Speaker 1: the park and things were beginning to go back to normal.
Speaker 1: Five months had passed with no other murders. People were
Speaker 1: feeling safe, believing that the predators were in custody. About
Speaker 1: nineteen miles from the Cedar Lodge on the western side
Speaker 1: of the park is an area called Foresta. Looking from
Speaker 1: some of the mountainous ridges above, you will see a
Speaker 1: place the locals called Big Meadow, where an old house
Speaker 1: referred to as the Grand Cabin sits. At the time,
Speaker 1: the cabin was owned by the Park Service and leased
Speaker 1: for a dollar a year to the Yosemite Institute, which
Speaker 1: runs educational programs throughout the park. During the summer of
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, the cabin was occupied by twenty five
Speaker 1: six year old Joey Armstrong, employed as a naturalist at
Speaker 1: the park, Joey was responsible for educating children about the
Speaker 1: nature in Yosemite. Described as sensitive, loving, kind, and smart,
Speaker 1: she claimed to have not been afraid while she was
Speaker 1: employed there, while law enforcement was hunting for the killer
Speaker 1: that spring. Her diary celebrated the day the FBI announced
Speaker 1: that they had detained the suspects, stating quote the monsters
Speaker 1: are gone end quote. On July twenty first, nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: Joey was picking up her Toyota Tacoma for a trip
Speaker 1: with friends. She never arrived at their meeting spot. Her
Speaker 1: friends knew Joey well, so they knew something had to
Speaker 1: be wrong. When her friends called Yosemite, the search for
Speaker 1: the young woman started immediately. Beginning in the cabin, investigators
Speaker 1: found debris on the floor of the bedroom, including broken
Speaker 1: sunglasses and a red mechanics hat. It wasn't until the
Speaker 1: next day, when the search of the grounds around the
Speaker 1: cabin began, that someone spotted what they thought was an
Speaker 1: inanimate object bobbing in the water. When they walked over
Speaker 1: for a closer look, they found Joey's decapitated body.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I know.
Speaker 1: Initially, investigators did not believe the two incidents were related.
Speaker 1: When Carol, Julie and Sylvina were killed, everything was cleanly done.
Speaker 1: There was no evidence to speak of. The scene of
Speaker 1: Joey's murder included a mountain of evidence. The events didn't compare,
Speaker 1: and the authorities didn't want to cause panic without knowing
Speaker 1: all the facts. Eyewitnesses had spotted a blue and white
Speaker 1: International Scout off road suv on the same road Joey
Speaker 1: lived on around the time she was murdered. Following the trail,
Speaker 1: investigators began searching for the owner to interview as a
Speaker 1: possible witness. The man they were looking for was the
Speaker 1: helpful maintenance man that had toured law enforcement around the
Speaker 1: Cedar Ridge when Carol, Julie and Sylvina had gone missing,
Speaker 1: a man by the name of Carrie Stainer, the star
Speaker 1: of our show Yes. Unfortunately, the FBI arrived at the
Speaker 1: restaurant of the Cedar Lodge announcing they were looking for
Speaker 1: the handyman, but he wasn't found a beyond the lookout.
Speaker 1: A BOLO alert was put out on the news for him,
Speaker 1: and they received a call from a woman named Janet DeMont.
Speaker 1: She informed them that she'd seen and had a conversation
Speaker 1: with the man they were looking for. When asked where,
Speaker 1: she told them he was at a resort called Laguna
Speaker 1: dal Soul. Laguna Del Soul is around a two hour
Speaker 1: drive north of Yosemite, just like any other resort with
Speaker 1: camping cabins, shuffle board, volleyball, a restaurant and bar. What
Speaker 1: sets this resort apart is the fact that it's also
Speaker 1: a nudist colony.
Speaker 2: Oh, hiding among the nids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the nids. When the FBI arrived to question the witness,
Speaker 1: the manager welcomed them inside, saying, quote, you'll be able
Speaker 1: to recognize him because he's the only one in clothes.
Speaker 1: I guess clothing was optional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't blend, Carrie. You're gonna want to blend.
Speaker 1: You need to take clothes off, okay.
Speaker 2: Real.
Speaker 1: As the agents approached him, Carrie stood up and put
Speaker 1: his hands in the air. He didn't ask any questions
Speaker 1: about why they were looking for him or what the
Speaker 1: questions were related to. The agents told him he was
Speaker 1: wanted for an interview and convinced the man to ride
Speaker 1: with one of them back to the FBI field office
Speaker 1: in Sacramento, two hours away. The other agent drove behind
Speaker 1: in a separate vehicle. During the drive, sitting in the
Speaker 1: front seat next to agent Jeffrey Reinick, Carrie was soft
Speaker 1: spoken and cooperative, described in much the same way as
Speaker 1: he was when he was interviewed for information in the
Speaker 1: case from that spring. He was helpful. The drive was
Speaker 1: long enough that the two men began to talk. Rhyinick
Speaker 1: said about the time he spent with Stainer driving. He
Speaker 1: said this, during that time we got to know each other.
Speaker 1: We were two guys that didn't know each other, that
Speaker 1: were stuck doing something that we really didn't want to
Speaker 1: be doing, and so we were making the best of it.
Speaker 1: We were just talking about us. The agent, recognizing Carrie's
Speaker 1: last name, asked him if he was related to Stephen Stainer,
Speaker 1: the childhood gone missing at seven years old. You know
Speaker 1: the story that I told you last week.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: As Carrie opened up about how upsetting it was that
Speaker 1: the man Parnell who had kidnapped Stephen, it was upsetting
Speaker 1: that he had gotten off so easily, Carrie became emotionally flustered,
Speaker 1: and he questioned the lenient sentence recounted by Nick. He said,
Speaker 1: he went to prison for seven years, and yet they
Speaker 1: held Stephen for seven years and he felt that was
Speaker 1: really not right, and I agreed with him. I had
Speaker 1: no problem. I agree with you, Yes, recalled right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Carrie was the oldest of delberton Ky's five children, and
Speaker 1: he was born on August thirteenth, nineteen sixty one, making
Speaker 1: him a leo. Such a leo that right smack dab
Speaker 1: in the middle of this middle. Friends said he was nice, quiet, creative,
Speaker 1: and extremely smart. It was said he looked after his siblings.
Speaker 1: At three years old, Carrie was diagnosed with trichotillomania, a
Speaker 1: condition which causes him to compulsively pull out his hair.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Although he was put on medication for the condition, it
Speaker 1: continued to affect him through high school, leading to bald spots,
Speaker 1: forcing him to always wear a hat, and caused him
Speaker 1: to be subject to severe bullying because kids are dicks.
Speaker 2: They are kids are dicks, and God forbid you have
Speaker 2: something like this, right, No, right, I mean you can't
Speaker 2: even have a freckle or a mole let alone a
Speaker 2: condition that you know, Yeah, you're doing your best to
Speaker 2: deal with. Sometimes I pull my hair out.
Speaker 1: Oka he causes noticeable catches. Yes, exactly, It's hard. Despite
Speaker 1: the teachers. I noticed that Carrie was exhibiting higher than
Speaker 1: average intelligence. He was moved to accelerated classes in junior
Speaker 1: high Also known as a talented cartoonist, being showcased in
Speaker 1: the school newspaper, he was ultimately voted most creative in
Speaker 1: his senior class. After Stephen's disappearance, the entire family dynamic shifted.
Speaker 1: His father became an emotional rock and his mother became
Speaker 1: extremely distant, raising her children almost an autopilot. Both parents
Speaker 1: became colder to the children that they were still raising.
Speaker 1: Carrie felt abandoned and neglected through it all. Carrie said
Speaker 1: that he would go out for walks at night and
Speaker 1: look at the stars, wishing on one of them for
Speaker 1: Stephen to come home, and then Stephen came back. When
Speaker 1: his brother returned, Stephen was practically a stranger, being forced
Speaker 1: to share a room. The teens didn't get along. Carrie
Speaker 1: felt he'd been put on the shelf when Stephen disappeared,
Speaker 1: but it was even more pronounced when Stephen returned, confirming
Speaker 1: his place in the background of his family, making him
Speaker 1: even more frustrated by the publicity surrounding his brother. After
Speaker 1: graduating high school in nineteen seventy nine, Carrie was lost.
Speaker 1: When he was overwhelmed or needed space, he would drive
Speaker 1: out on Highway one oh four into Yosemite in his
Speaker 1: pale blue and white nineteen seventy two International Scout and
Speaker 1: disappeared into the woods and smoked weed.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yes, Carrie had emotional difficulties, some that people knew about,
Speaker 1: and some he kept to himself. Beginning as young as
Speaker 1: seven years old, Carrie said he had begun fantasizing about
Speaker 1: abducting and murdering women. He was also found to have
Speaker 1: exposed himself to a friend of one of his sisters
Speaker 1: as a teenager, while the girl was staying over at
Speaker 1: their house. Carrie had crept under the cot she was
Speaker 1: sleeping in and reached up to touch her breasts. When
Speaker 1: she told him to go away, he left the room,
Speaker 1: only to reappear later fully nude, prompting her to tell
Speaker 1: him to leave a second time. When other boys age
Speaker 1: started dating, Carrie did not. He was believed to be
Speaker 1: the cliche, quiet, artistic type. Girls want to go out
Speaker 1: with the tall, dark, athletic boy who had brooding hazel eyes,
Speaker 1: but Carrie would never oblige. In nineteen eighty nine, Stephen
Speaker 1: passed away and shortly after, in nineteen ninety, Carrie's uncle
Speaker 1: that he'd been living with was shot and killed in
Speaker 1: the home they shared together. And the family has.
Speaker 2: Some gosh, that is so much for one family.
Speaker 1: One family, that's terrible.
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, it's to take it all in. I
Speaker 2: don't even know, like I put it myself in their
Speaker 2: mom's place, you know, like with Stephen gone. And then
Speaker 2: how last week we were talking about, you know, like
Speaker 2: the reacclamation into the family after being gone so long,
Speaker 2: he came back right before school started and bad a boom,
Speaker 2: bat a bang right back in school, right, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's just a lot of people going through a
Speaker 2: lot of things at the same time.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is Carrie's emotions began to boil. In the
Speaker 1: early nineties. Carrie was working as a window installer at
Speaker 1: a glass company after graduating high school. He developed a
Speaker 1: fantasy that he was going to ram a truck into
Speaker 1: the shop, killing everyone there, and then setting the place
Speaker 1: on fire. He had some crazy, intrusive thoughts.
Speaker 2: That is crazy, the only kind of violent. I remember
Speaker 2: when I was married and I didn't want to be
Speaker 2: married anymore, and I remember being like at this right
Speaker 2: turn on the street, and I thought, man, if they
Speaker 2: someone could just hit the driver's side because he was driving,
Speaker 2: you know, this would just work out. I would be,
Speaker 2: you know, safe from the impact. And she hadn't no
Speaker 2: longer married. So Steve would like, well, I can kind
Speaker 2: of relate to violent thoughts like that. But that was
Speaker 2: many many moons ago, yes, long time ago. But how
Speaker 2: do you just have these thoughts of just like I'm seven,
Speaker 2: what'd you say? He was thinking about killing and raping
Speaker 2: women already already? I know, what do you watch? I
Speaker 2: don't eat. But it's hard what he was going through
Speaker 2: at that time. Who knows?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows. Opening about his potential violent breakdown to
Speaker 1: his friends, they noticed his cry for help and took
Speaker 1: him to a mental health care center and got him checked,
Speaker 1: but soon after, Carrie checked himself out, preferring to take
Speaker 1: refuge in Yosemite. Soon after, Carrie went into work to
Speaker 1: pick up his paycheck and never return there for a shift,
Speaker 1: telling the owner he was thinking about moving. Struggling for
Speaker 1: decades to control his impulses, he ended up taking a
Speaker 1: job at the Cedar Lodge in nineteen ninety seven as
Speaker 1: a maintenance man. Yosemite had always provided him with serenity
Speaker 1: going up there to smoke pot and sun bathed naked.
Speaker 1: He was a highly regarded employee, to the extent that
Speaker 1: the owner would send his own kids out to help
Speaker 1: Carrie with the hotel maintenance and learn from him. With
Speaker 1: all the compliments that he got. Not all the people
Speaker 1: he came across had the wold pulled over their eyes. However,
Speaker 1: Tricia Howtis and her husband ran the restaurant at the lodge.
Speaker 1: Their daughter enjoyed swimming in the pool during the summer months,
Speaker 1: and she described how Carrie would stand and stare at
Speaker 1: their daughter while she was swimming, to the point that
Speaker 1: it would freak the girl out. She described him as
Speaker 1: cold and hateful. Tricia once even confronted Carrie saying, quote,
Speaker 1: if you go toward my daughter ever, I will destroy you.
Speaker 1: End quote.
Speaker 2: That's mama, bear right there.
Speaker 1: Yes, don't you like your kid?
Speaker 2: Exact right.
Speaker 1: None of this was known to the FBI agents at
Speaker 1: the point they went to collect Carrie at the Nudest Colony.
Speaker 1: He wasn't suspected of murder. The emotional connection the agent
Speaker 1: built with the man was genuine, and they built a bond.
Speaker 1: While talking about his brother, but Carrie was still manipulative.
Speaker 1: On the drive, Agent Ryanik kept looking over at Carrie
Speaker 1: and would say occasionally, quote, you look just like Billy
Speaker 1: Jack end quote, asking him if he ever saw the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one movie, Carrie would repeatedly deny having seen it.
Speaker 1: They also connected over a song in it called One
Speaker 1: Tin Soldier. Eventually, Carrie, Jeff, and the agent that had
Speaker 1: been following behind reached the Sacramento office for an interview,
Speaker 1: and before they walked in the door, Carrie stopped and
Speaker 1: said this line from the movie quote, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: this right foot and I'm gonna whoop you that side
Speaker 1: of your face. There's not a damn thing you can
Speaker 1: do about it.
Speaker 2: End quote.
Speaker 1: Both men laughed as they walked in. But the fact
Speaker 1: that for the whole two hour car ride Carrie had
Speaker 1: denied seeing the movie and then could stand there and
Speaker 1: quote that line is a small window into the manipulation. Yes, like,
Speaker 1: why are you lying about it? It's just fucking weird,
Speaker 1: it is, But.
Speaker 2: That's a good peek into someone who's fucking with you,
Speaker 2: you know. It's just like, oh, I see, and it
Speaker 2: does kind of remind me of the quote did you
Speaker 2: ever watch kingo QUI means oh yeah. Remember Carrie wanted
Speaker 2: to get something inscribed that romantic that Doug had said
Speaker 2: to her, and it was the Eric Estrata movie with
Speaker 2: this monkey that he ends up saying, you didn't just
Speaker 2: save my life brown eyes. It's what Eric Strata said
Speaker 2: to the monkey. Doug said to Carrie, you made my
Speaker 2: life saving or something like that. Fucky love that show.
Speaker 2: But but the quoting and mm hmmm, it is a
Speaker 2: good window into the because I bet you he sent
Speaker 2: something like, come on, man, I know you saw it.
Speaker 1: You have to have seen it, you know, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: especially since he looks like the person is yes, it
Speaker 1: can't be the check it out just for that, right right.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm the first one telling you you
Speaker 2: look like this.
Speaker 1: Right in the field office, the agents and Carrie were
Speaker 1: sitting in a room together eating pizza in the episode
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty titled Evil and Eden. Because this is
Speaker 1: like an episode that made out of the story. The
Speaker 1: agent side quote as a general rule, when law enforcement
Speaker 1: are interrogating a suspect, they don't order a pizza end quote.
Speaker 1: But this was an interview, non interrogation either of the
Speaker 1: agents knew who they were bringing in. Carrie did, however,
Speaker 1: and while the agents were trying to decide where to
Speaker 1: start their interview, Carrie opened up and said, this is
Speaker 1: going to be my last meal as a free man.
Speaker 1: I can give you closure. The agents asked what closure,
Speaker 1: and he said, quote, I can answer questions for you
Speaker 1: about Joey and more dangling a confession. Carrie began his
Speaker 1: negotiation with three requests. First, a reward had been offered
Speaker 1: for information leading to the capture of the killer of
Speaker 1: Joey Armstrong. Carrie wanted his family to receive the reward money. Second,
Speaker 1: he wanted to end up in federal prison near his family.
Speaker 1: And lastly, he wanted child pornography pictures of young girls.
Speaker 1: Just a couple of images, but a stack, is what
Speaker 1: he said.
Speaker 2: That's he wanted a stack of child porn for the reward, to.
Speaker 1: Go to his family, yes, and to end up in
Speaker 1: federal prison. So Agent Ryanick says to him, well, you
Speaker 1: have to pick one. Which one of those three things
Speaker 1: do you want? And he chose the child porn.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: To get the discussion moving, the agents didn't say no
Speaker 1: and quote, you never say no. To them. You basically
Speaker 1: put them off, saying we're going to get to that.
Speaker 1: I know you want it. I'd like you to have it,
Speaker 1: but you move it down the ladder end quote to
Speaker 1: buy some time after that. Carrie Stainer's confession began on
Speaker 1: July twenty first, nineteen ninety nine. Carrie had left the
Speaker 1: Cedar Lodge in his blue and white International Scout and
Speaker 1: taken a back road known mostly to the workers, into foresta.
Speaker 1: This was something he regularly did. He genuinely enjoyed getting
Speaker 1: out into nature to relieve his stress. He got out
Speaker 1: of his truck and was walking, looking around and throwing
Speaker 1: rocks in the water. He wasn't hunting for anyone. An
Speaker 1: opportunity simply presented itself. He happened to look and notice
Speaker 1: a petite blonde girl moving in and out of the
Speaker 1: grand cabin. It looked like she was probably alone. Joey,
Speaker 1: excited about the trip she had planned with her friends,
Speaker 1: was going in and out of the house, pecking up
Speaker 1: her truck and getting ready to leave. As Carrie watched,
Speaker 1: he decided to get a little closer to get a
Speaker 1: better look. He went back to his truck to pull
Speaker 1: a green backpack out of the back seat. This was
Speaker 1: Carrie's murder kit. Inside held a twenty two revolver, a
Speaker 1: large knife, and a roll of duct tape. Approaching her,
Speaker 1: he began to make conversation, looking behind her and into
Speaker 1: the cabin. He wanted to make sure no one else
Speaker 1: was there. Quote. She stepped up on the porch and
Speaker 1: she was talking to me, and that's when I pulled
Speaker 1: out the gun and put it to her head. She
Speaker 1: turned around and freaked out, and I told her go inside.
Speaker 1: End quote. He used the gun to direct her into
Speaker 1: the house and into the bedroom, where he began binding
Speaker 1: her with the duct tape and stuffing a gag in
Speaker 1: her mouth. The large athletic man had a difficult time
Speaker 1: subduing the petite woman. She fought back with everything in
Speaker 1: her and he barely was able to win the struggle,
Speaker 1: but in the end he was able to constrain her
Speaker 1: arms with the tape. Using the gun again, he guided
Speaker 1: her to his car, picking her up and tossing her
Speaker 1: into the back seat before he drove away. While he
Speaker 1: was driving, she continued to fight back, Carrie said, quote.
Speaker 1: She started going crazy, just jumping all over the place
Speaker 1: in the back of the truck. I really couldn't control
Speaker 1: her end quote. She flung herself out through the window
Speaker 1: onto the road in front of a barn. I slammed
Speaker 1: the truck into park, and I jumped out, and she
Speaker 1: got up off the ground and started running. Carrie didn't
Speaker 1: expect this much of a fight. His fantasies never included
Speaker 1: any resistance. He gave chase, eventually catching up to her,
Speaker 1: after which he took the knife out of his back
Speaker 1: pocket and slit her throat. At the end of this confession,
Speaker 1: and without giving the kiddy porn to the now confessed killer,
Speaker 1: the investigation gators still weren't sure what the quote and
Speaker 1: more end quote portion of Carrie's confession entailed, or if
Speaker 1: they would ever find out. Attempting to coax it out
Speaker 1: of him, Jeff told the man, quote, you look better.
Speaker 1: You need to get the rest off your chest.
Speaker 2: End quote.
Speaker 1: There was a long dramatic pause before Carrie said, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do it. In February nineteen ninety nine, Carrie had
Speaker 1: been working at the Cedar Lodge for two years. It
Speaker 1: was not the busy season, so he'd been laid off
Speaker 1: until tourism picked up in the spring. The area was
Speaker 1: deserted in the winter. February fifteenth was Monday, so many
Speaker 1: of the guests had left after Valentine's weekend. Carol, Julie
Speaker 1: and Sylvina's room, number five oh nine was far from
Speaker 1: the lobby, in a secluded, dark corner of the lot.
Speaker 1: The ladies had gone out to eat and went to
Speaker 1: the front desk to rent Jerry McGuire to watch in
Speaker 1: their room. It was determined that the final picture taken
Speaker 1: on the camera found in the woods of Carol and
Speaker 1: Sylvina sitting on the beds in the hotel room was
Speaker 1: taken about twenty minutes before Carrie knocked on the door.
Speaker 1: Carrie had been planning for years. He repeatedly played out
Speaker 1: scenarios in his mind. When he was walking to his
Speaker 1: room that night above the restaurant, he noticed there was
Speaker 1: a red car in the parking lot of the five
Speaker 1: hundred building, all by itself. The curtains to the windows
Speaker 1: were open, and when he walked by he could see
Speaker 1: women inside, three women. Noting there were no men around,
Speaker 1: he knocked on the door and when Carol answered, he
Speaker 1: told her that there was a leak in a room
Speaker 1: upstairs and he needed to access their bathroom to make
Speaker 1: the repair. Carol answered absolutely not right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The girls were in their pajamas and they were settling
Speaker 1: in for the night. When Carrie told her that if
Speaker 1: she didn't let him in, they would have to move
Speaker 1: to another room because the leak couldn't continue. She relented.
Speaker 1: Carrie said, quote, they let me in. I went to
Speaker 1: the bathroom and checked the fans where I told them
Speaker 1: the leak probably would be. When I came out of
Speaker 1: the bathroom, I pulled my gun out and I told
Speaker 1: them I wanted the money and keys to the car,
Speaker 1: directed Julie and Sylvina into the bathroom and used the
Speaker 1: duct tape to bind Carol before he strangled her with
Speaker 1: a rope so he kills.
Speaker 2: The adult first.
Speaker 1: When he was done, he wrapped her up and put
Speaker 1: her in the trunk of the red Pontiac rental car.
Speaker 1: Then he went back to the hotel room and released
Speaker 1: the teenagers from the bathroom, sexually assaulting them. Sylvina resisted.
Speaker 1: After she attempted to fight back, Carrie took her back
Speaker 1: into the bathroom and strangled her. He said, quote. The
Speaker 1: Paloso girl couldn't speak very good English and was crying
Speaker 1: a lot and Julie was very calm, She was very cooperative.
Speaker 1: She did everything I told her to, no tears, know nothing, unquote.
Speaker 1: Knowing seeing the body of her young friend lifeless would
Speaker 1: panic Julie. Carrie moved her into the neighboring room, Room
Speaker 1: five ten while he wrapped Sylvina's body and put her
Speaker 1: in the trunk with Carol. Then he went back to
Speaker 1: collect Julie, telling her to get in the car. It
Speaker 1: was getting pretty late, probably five o'clock or so in
Speaker 1: the morning. I told Julie we had to get someplace
Speaker 1: to go and I wouldn't harm her, so I put
Speaker 1: her in the car. Her hands were duct taped in
Speaker 1: front of her. I wrapped a pink blanket around her,
Speaker 1: and I just drove. I didn't know where I was going.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was going to do. I
Speaker 1: took Julie out of the car. I carried her down
Speaker 1: the pathway an agent Ryan had clarified that he was
Speaker 1: carrying her like a groom carries a bride, and I
Speaker 1: laid out the blanket. I guess I knew what I
Speaker 1: was going to do because I had the knife with me,
Speaker 1: and I slid her throat, saying after he killed her.
Speaker 1: He stood on the mountain marveling at the beautiful view
Speaker 1: of the rising sun.
Speaker 2: What a fucking asshole, I know. I also find it's
Speaker 2: very monstrous. I guess too as a serial killer to
Speaker 2: give a victim review. Oh she went ham, she was
Speaker 2: going crazy. She did everything I told her to do. Oh,
Speaker 2: she wasn't good in her English. Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants your opinion. Nobody wants you here.
Speaker 1: You don't need Yeah, I don't need your commentary.
Speaker 2: Thank you, dick.
Speaker 1: The next time Carrie was seen, he was one hundred
Speaker 1: miles from the Cedar Lodge in a town called Sierra Village,
Speaker 1: when he used a payphone to call a cab. His
Speaker 1: explanation to the driver was that he had come from
Speaker 1: Yosemite with some other people and they left him stranded
Speaker 1: there with no way back. The red Pontiac would eventually
Speaker 1: be found just a short walk from where the driver
Speaker 1: picked him up. After that confession, quite nonchalantly, Carrie added, quote,
Speaker 1: I'd been gone most of the day off the property.
Speaker 1: I was at my girlfriend's house, and I guess this
Speaker 1: girlfriend and her two daughters were my original intended victims.
Speaker 1: End quote. Okay, Carrie's girlfriend was a waitress in the
Speaker 1: restaurant at the Cedar Lodge in nineteen ninety eight. Her
Speaker 1: two daughters were in their preteens. They loved him and
Speaker 1: felt safe around him, describing him as handsome and warm.
Speaker 1: They said they felt he was like a big teddy bear.
Speaker 1: The day after Valentine's Day was the day he planned
Speaker 1: to kill his girlfriend and rape and kill her daughters.
Speaker 1: But while he was at her house there was another
Speaker 1: person there too, so he had to abandon his plan.
Speaker 1: But he said he was really amped up, quote unquote.
Speaker 1: He got back to the resort late and thought that
Speaker 1: he could calm down if he soaked in hot tub.
Speaker 1: He went down to the hot tub and it was dirty,
Speaker 1: and he was frustrated and annoyed. So he was taking
Speaker 1: a walk around the property when he saw Carol and
Speaker 1: the girls in the number five hundred building. The authorities
Speaker 1: arrested thirty seven year old Carrie Stainer in July nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine. Stainer accompanied law enforcement into Yosemite to help
Speaker 1: them find the murder weapon he used on Julie, as
Speaker 1: well as the duct tape. They also found his watch.
Speaker 1: He was sentenced to life in prison without parole for
Speaker 1: Joey Armstrong's murder after pleading guilty to premeditated first degree murder, felony,
Speaker 1: first degree murder, kidnapping resulting in death, and attempted aggravated
Speaker 1: sexual assault. He pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity
Speaker 1: to the murders of Carol, Julie and Sylvena, but he
Speaker 1: was victed a first degree murder with special circumstances in
Speaker 1: one count of kidnapping. It was sentenced to death on
Speaker 1: August twenty seventh, two thousand and two. He is in
Speaker 1: San Quentin Prison right now.
Speaker 2: Awaiting his execution.
Speaker 1: Waiting his execution, but California has put a stay on
Speaker 1: all executions, so he'll never be executed. Probably. But he
Speaker 1: also did not get his kitty porn. Well, Yes, Sage
Speaker 1: asking the FBI agents for kitty porn with a straight face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't even believe these guys, these men and women,
Speaker 1: the officers.
Speaker 2: They must hear some crazy shit shit that you know,
Speaker 2: would you really need to contain ourselves? Good cop, bad Cop.
Speaker 2: I just got done watching the other guys. And when
Speaker 2: Will Ferrell gets confused about the bad cop, good cop,
Speaker 2: so it's bad he does bad cop, bad cop. That's
Speaker 2: would be me. I'd be like, I'm always bad cop.
Speaker 2: Let me be bad cop.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm like, Okay, I want three things. I
Speaker 1: want family to have the money I want I forget
Speaker 1: what the second one was, and I want kitty porn. Okay,
Speaker 1: well you can only pick one. Okay, then I want
Speaker 1: the porn you're asking the FBI, Like, okay, I just
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 2: Know your audience? Yeah, you know who you're asking your venue.
Speaker 1: For, like a Playboy magazine or something.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, something just fucking piggish and illegal.
Speaker 1: Like the FBI is gonna hand over some illegal shit
Speaker 1: to you, our fucking evidence lacker for all the fucking
Speaker 1: kitty porn that we've rounded up over the years, and
Speaker 1: let me just sport through and pick up some good
Speaker 1: ship for you.
Speaker 2: Like really, what, sure, Carrie? Sure?
Speaker 1: Hold on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that get fucked. It's Winton. Well that is crazy
Speaker 2: about both brothers. Two tragedies in one family. Oh and
Speaker 2: then the one the uncle, Yes, who even knows. We
Speaker 2: just know about three and they are very horrific, you know, terrible,
Speaker 2: Like I'm glad you found this story. I had no
Speaker 2: idea that lightning could strike twice, you know in a way,
Speaker 2: like I.
Speaker 1: What you always think, right, Like, this is what I
Speaker 1: think about plane crashes. Okay, I always think, Okay, if
Speaker 1: there was one recent, I'm gonna get on the plane
Speaker 1: and I'll be fine. Because there was one that was recent.
Speaker 1: Ye it's been a few years or whatever. I'm like, ooh,
Speaker 1: it could happen to me. I know it's a stupid thought,
Speaker 1: but those are my thoughts. But I just am like,
Speaker 1: how can one family have such a horrific story more
Speaker 1: than once? Yes, completely different, right, but newsworthy and horrific
Speaker 1: and mind blowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many victims, including that whole family, you know,
Speaker 2: just amazing. But yeah, thanks for bringing it, Ninja.
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