Speaker 1: Hello ladies, gentlemen, welcome back to trest. Told you I'm
your host, trust now as always. February seventeenth, twenty twenty five.
Apologuys didn't go live today? What I guess I should
preference to like this. There was no reason not to
go live today other than for reviews. Sometimes I do,
like you know, the wiki one I did as a
box office talk. Sometimes it's just easier in the day
for me if it's not news related, to bounce it
out and not go live at the same time, like
sometimes in that lovemark is hard. So that's why it's like, okay,
you know what I can give myself, especially today because
for people I don't know in Canada, Monday was a
day off, so I had lots to work to catch
up on. So that's just why eleven I had some
stuff to get done before I could have tried to
make a way to work it. But honestly, I just
for my preference to try and make life easier. Okay,
I'm just gonna do recording it because I can kind
of do that whenever I need to. Plus, if there's
any times I need to take a break, I could
because sometimes at my day job, mergency stuff happens. You
guys all know this. We've talked before. But I'm here
to talk and that's why too. I'm talking about Worthing
Heights a couple of days late, you know, a big
shout out in thinking to everybody that I don't know
read the post or whatnot. Yeah, nothing big. But Sidney
was a little sick and as I've talked about in
the past that she has always got trouble with breathing
and she can just got pemmonia in the past. So
it was the Thursday where she was sick and she
can be up a little bit more. Her breathing is
a little tough. So I was like, I don't want
to leave him here alone. And then and then also
I got to go see with her. It was a
geek first review that I'd find a way and she's
great mum shoe pathed through. But I'm like, if I
could make her life a little bit easier. So that's why,
you know, not live because you know, and it's just
Worthering Heights a couple of days late. But yeah, I'll
give my thoughts here on it. I'll give my non
spoil thoughts. I'll do a not even quick just like
a mention of the box office, and then spoiler's probably
not gonna be a super long episode. I plan to
be back on Throughday Live eleven am PST. So if
you listen to that, not sure what we're gonna talk
about today or then lots of good stuff. Dylan and
Kirkland just did a side quest which was fun, bringing
down the state of play. We got tons of stuff
coming to Patreon this week. We got two Resident Evil
retrospectives coming, the very first Resident Evil live action film
and the first and made film that's gonna be coming
for the Phase two patrons and up. So it's gonna
be a good time. Yeah, other stuff, flashback episode, Punish,
a retrospective. I'll be whole bevy as far as producers
getting some of those earlier something being Phase three when
they have posted, you'll know about them. I think me
and are doing a weekly geeked talk about Mando. And
then most importantly this Friday, let's see this Friday eight
fifteen pm PST, we're going to be reviewing or not
reviewing anything I guess is our lives. But finally, Matt,
if you listen to this, we're gonna be talking doing
the Bond draft, and it is an in person episode
myself kirklanda first one in twenty twenty six. Honestly, we've
tried to do those monthly. When we started, we took
a little break because the holidays, and also Taya had
his second child, so we couldn't do them then. But
as you've seen, the in person episodes are some of
the funnest ones of the year. Everybody you know has
big a claim for them. So I hope we can
deliver again. I know we will because anytime we get
anytime we're in person, can see it's crazy, but anytime
we're together or sorry, anytime on cast, I can get
crazy about in person, just the the energy bounces off
the room. There, Maddie, we're starting with the draft. We're
not doing any news any what we've been watching. We're
gonna do the draft first. Anything else after we'll get
to that. So yeah, there you go. Worthering heights so interesting.
Just as far as the box office goes, we talked
about beforewards like tracking like twenty to thirty, and then
was tracking at like thirty to forty, and then there
was high ends of fifty and I think the below
was like it was like four four billion, who four
million below it's expectation. So I think what they probably
settled on was like forty because what did it finish
at for the three day weekend here box office Mojo,
let's just see here thirty two. So yeah, I think
I can't remember where it was. I just know it's
been below. But you know what overall did pretty well.
International had a budget of eighty million, and it is
at what is it is? It has been cast, so
it has been made a profit or not a profit,
just it has made a two million. Sorry, I got
a no vocation about Scooby Doo casting. We can think
Grace playing Daffy and Scooby do. That really threw me
off because as I've said before, I got no vocations
on my phone for news and whatnot for GV and
everything just saw as I had to process that. So
that's what it threw me off. There made a two million.
I think it's at eighty five eight eight million out
and a budget of eighty million. For me, this is
an absolute win because I've said this before. Not only
is like a romantic ray arm movie which cannot always
sell sometimes be an issue. It's worthing heights. That's not
like a I've said before, and people made all made
a big hubble about all these changes, right like the
to the to the material, to the soundtrack, to being
maybe over sexualized and everything like that. I understood a
purist at heart. But at the same point, if you
want to sell this movie and make a profit, make
it a hit. That saying I think this movie will
do very well in stream and VOD what happens. It's
only week one, so to me, it has made its
production buggetship back. Obviously, you always want to make a
a double budget to make that big profit, and I
think marketing has made big I don't know if it's
gonna do that. I'm not sure. I guess no. I
THINKL like I get to you never know, right because
it housemade. That's almost because what was Housemaid's opening weekend? Right?
I know that was Christmas in January, right, but opening
weekend it's almost at four hundred million. Let's see, opening
weekend was nineteen million, so you never know. So yeah,
I think it will definitely make a profit. I think
we'll make a profit. And then all obviously the preliminaries
after the fact streaming and vod and stuff, it'll do
that and Valentine's they give it a push. If it's
gonna have that word of mouth, that's gonna be interesting.
My theory is pretty full. And then that get into
my actual thoughts. So I'll give you my non square thoughts,
and then obviously when uh, when it's time, I'll give
you a little break ad warning and then it will
be time for me to get into spoilers again. Not
gonna be super long, but uh, you know, nonetheless of
you plan on seeing the movie at some point, bounce
and then you will get that. Okay, there we go.
Just had to write down on that timecode there. Yeah,
so worthing heights. As people know, I've been very excited
for this. I rank this as my number two anticipated
movie for the year. I'm pretty sure of twenty twenty six,
right behind The Odyssey me just the two films she's done.
Eryal Fennel is one of my favorite directors for the
current Dame, not gonna say of all time, but she's
getting up there for if you continue this trajectory, I
think it's gonna go there. She's somebody that I already
thought this after Saltburn. But I'm gonna be there even
after this, like no matter what. It's not like with
uh with ari Astor, right, I remember me and Dylan
did Midsomaris. No matter what, I'm gonna see an ari
Astor movie, right, and Hereditary Midimari those aren't even some
of my favorite movies, right, But Promsey Young Woman that
year came out to me. It was the best movie
that year, and Sultburn was my favorite movie that year.
I wouldn't say it's the best, but it was my
favorite movie of that year. So I had big expectations
for this. I will preference this, I will refer to
it a few times. But I don't want to hear
this at all from anybody. I've not read the book.
It's not somebody had to read in school thing I
heard a little bit about, but now I read it
at all. So anything I have negative towards the film,
if it's a oh, well that happens in the book,
and then it's negative towards the book. I hate that
as people bring all the time up as like as
a clutch for you can't you know, go against something, Well,
this happens the way in the book. So it has
to have the way in the movie. Well, then in
the book it's poorly written or not well. All I
knew is it was some kind of long, you know,
stead romance where these couples get broken apart. Seemed like
it's a little bit of that, kind of like a
Great Gatsby, right, where some guy's in love with someone
in a different social class goes away, it comes back
with some money and they might not be what they appear, right.
And the only thing I had heard that Heathcliffe is
kind of like a I won't say bad individual, but
something like that right where he's not he's even Great
Gatsby right, like he was into doing drug stuff. There
was a murder there, like a questionable individual, That's what
I'll say, right. And I was very excited because I
like Charlie XCX. But the trailer, like I loved the
score and the trails. It said to somethke that the
trailer version of Chains of Love I'd listened to since
that trailer came out at least once a week more
than that. Uh so that was going on. The visuals
were looking stunning and a Lordy to me has proven
way before. I think people I've said this a couple
times this month. They woke up with Frankenstein. But to me,
already in Euphoria and Saltburn, he had proved like he's great,
like he's above just being a good looking guy. Margo's Margo,
She's fantastic. She can be one of the best in
the world given the right script and everything like that.
So after all these tools, after all its excitement, where
was I in this one? I can say, just like
I said on the Trails told you previously, I can
firmly put this third as far as my Emerald Thinnold one,
I did really enjoy this. Everything that I was looking
for match the album, the soundtrack, the score, fanchasttastic. I
think Charlie xx goes perfectly with this. I think MFL
has a great sensibility of because I'm somebody that's sometimes
the modern day music. I'm watching Peeky Blinders right now,
and sometimes it works, sometimes doesn't, but in a very
aged tale, but using modern aspects as far as the clothing,
the score, offusly, the songs, and yes, the clothing a
big thing, right and I love that. I love there's
multiple dresses that are like a hybrid of back then
and now that you probably couldn't have created back then
to my knowledge, But I like that. I think that's
a good I think she does a good job of
making this kind of updated, you know, modern yet old
age fantasy, and I love that that's something new. That's
what you want. Again. What I said before is I
watch an Emerald fenmoal Emerald Fennold movie for Emeral Fennil.
I want that style. I want to be immersed, and
I absolutely was just like her other movies. I think
for me, it's easily the weakest. It's not in the
rank of three where Saltburn and Promise Young Woman could
go back and forth with one and two because Saltburn's
a favorite, where Promisly Young Woman is the best. I
would not put those on any wavelength. I don't think
this is better than the other two, and I don't
think this is more my favorite than the other two.
I think I could probably watch this more than Promising
Young Woman because Promise Young Woman is a great movie
with an amazing performance. But it's a tough watch too,
rite it's very heavy at multiple points. This can get heavy,
but it's kind of like an over the top heavy
like you kind of get immersed in the fantasy. So
it's kind of fine. We're promising women is today's stuff.
Very realistic things are happening to people all around the
world unfortunately. Right, So that's where and Sultburn's an easy watch.
That's a good time. I'm gonna watch that later this
week because after this I want to dive back in there.
I meant to before, but I had to watch some
Resident Evils and punish her for the podcast. Like I said,
the retrospective check those out. That's kind of what I
thought with the previews as well too. I think a
LORDI and Margo have really good chemistry, but I don't
think it's like an al Thimer. I could say, like
a LORDI and Barry Keegan have better chemistry than these
two did. Right, But I don't think it's a bad thing.
It's not what I worried. I don't think she was.
I don't think she was definitely miscast, because I know
there was some worry about that. Now here's I'll wait
to spoils. I don't think she was miscast now seeing
the movie, with what the version of this version of
Kathy is, I'll just say that this character Kathy can
be very rude, can be a character that you're not
often rooting for. I don't know if that's the way
it is in the book. I don't know if they're
both like that. I'd always just heard of Heath Cliff
being like that, right, so I thought it was oh, young,
you know, big eyed, unexperienced person looking for love finds
the wrong guy kind of in a sense, right, But
that's not what this is. So for me, I could
understand some people saying, oh, some of that kind of
dough white aspect that might not fit Margot Robbie. This
character that I gave it here, she got to do
almost some of the Harley quinnisms as far as when
that character is rough and tumble and kind of more
villainous works there. She's not like being crazy, but just
the times where she can be a bit more rude
she does that there, And that's what's interesting. So as
far as performance is great, I can't remember her name.
She wasn't Saltburn as well, but I'd say, to me, like,
the standout is Jacob Elordi. Jacob Elordi again to me,
proves he's gonna be in my opinion, multiple Oscar winner.
He proves that he's Frankstine did this. Sorry, but he's
he's like a leading his man, leading this man like
he like he is gonna be he already is, but
he's gonna be up there as one of the best
as long as keep making the right choices. It doesn't
get any trouble there. I think that he's going to
do a really or he's gonna have just a fantastic career.
I gotta find what the hell is her name? There?
Me give me one sey. I gotta find the person
that plays the What am I talking about? Whethering heights
here are are she's she's like, uh, obviously you see
the trails Marl Robi even she Mary's some rich guy
right and he's like her ward or some helper like that.
What the hell is her name? Alison Oliver? She plays
Isabella and she was also in Saltburn as well. She oh,
she's in the Order and she's in Task. Okay, that
brings me up a reason to watch Task. She is
somebody that obviously she's still getting like work. Order was
you know, supposedly really well. Task was a very well
reviewed show and did well. Uh, but to me, it's
like I'm surprised more mainstream things haven't, like you know,
scooped her up yet. I think you're gonna see that
in the next few years, hopefully, No when Gev's listened
to that, I love to get in a Superhillo draft.
She's also anunderstand I think Margot is good, but there's
tons with the character has to be kind of a
bassline towards a Laurie that's being the dark and dashing.
And then Alison is just crazy good. And then the
other actress what is her name too? She's always great.
To Hunkschalla who plays Nelly, she's great. I have issues
with the Nelly character, and that's where I kind of
come on. This where visually one of the best movies
I've ever seen. No Mark's there. Acting is all good
across the board there with i'd say a Lordian Oliver
as the standouts. Even the guy that plays a dad,
he does a very good job, is like a very
simple but layer at the same time piece of shit Dad.
I think the pacing is good up until the third act,
and you're gonna hear that a lot from me. I
think writing there's some interesting choices. I'd say once I
imagine Armed the book directing. This movie's directed the fuck
out of like Emerald again, Like I I would still like,
I'm still gonna see everything this woman does. I love this.
You know parts of this movie a lot. If you're
gonna ask me a score because obviously spoilers if you're
not sticking around fat, I feel like I'm anywhere from
like an eight to an nine. I have to see
it again to settle on. I think on letterbox I'm
gonna give it like a four point five and a five.
The point five is easily just purely visual and the
style and the production and the look of this movie.
It is that much of that's how much it delivers
and uplifts this movie. So I think it does a
fantastic job there. It's it's similar now, not to this extent,
Don't get me wrong. I gave tront A four just
per almost pure visuals and scenes alone, right, it's not
to that effect. I still really enjoy leads of the acting,
some of the dialogue, some of the cleverness, some of
the dark humor. She's so good she can done and
did that process the young Woman, which is very heavy,
the dark humor. She is fantastic at right, and I
love that she delivers on you know, three movies in
a row. The type of genre. I don't think it's
like a genre, but if it is to me, one
of my favorite genres always said the questionable gray area
lead protagonists. You know, I've always said before, I love
Breaking Bad Love, American Psycho Love, Nightcrawler, Love, Drive, Love, Saltburn, Love,
Processing Woman, even Cassie. That's a character that, yeah, sure
is doing the right thing, but is you know, has
a big gray area and is because of her life,
has a very twisted point of view and not even
wrongly so right like the thing she's trying to do
all right, but you know, like you know, abducting who
she does in that movie, right, Like there's things that
character does to goal. I don't know about this, but
it's for the right reason, Barry. Obviously there's a debate
there as far as like how good or bad that
person is and now justified but overall bad person. But
it's fun to watch that character, right, So for those ones, example,
the ones I just gave right, Night Crawler is Jake
Jilhol You want to see does he achieve his goal
become this photographer get the job right? Drive? Does funny enough?
Carry Mulligan? Does he get the girl? Can he live?
And even then like he's a gray character, I'd say
a little less. Somebody is a criminal, right, But it's
a can you get revenge on these people? There's a
love aspect? That's something an aspect, okay, processing woman? Can
I get revenge on these people? Same thing? Right? And
then can I turn my life around? No? Gotta go
over revenge sultburn? Can I take it? Can I either
get the love of Jacob Lordi or take out these
people and get the ultimate goal? Right? So with people
of even Walter White breaking bad, it's not like love centric, right,
it is Can I take out you know, X Y
and Z? Can I provide for my family? Can I
climb this rank in the drug world? Et cetera. These
are two gray areas and their main goal is to
find love. And that is a very interesting quarrel to
have as a viewer because Kathy and I will jump
around this a little bit till I get to spoilers.
She I'd say, for almost most this is not a
likable person. You can say that because of some things
that happened to her. Childhood. That's the way she is,
and that's fine, granted, but she gets put into an
opportunity where she could make that change. There is one
scene where she is asking this character for advice and
she's just saying, like, I'm at my wits end, like
she she is desperate for this life advice, right, But
in the same conversation she pretty much just says that
character is pathetic and no one's ever loved you, and
you've never loved nobody and yet all this stuff, so
right away, it's hard for you to ever root for
said character, in my opinion, and you can like have
a fine like same thing as the American Psycho. I'm
not rooting for Patrick waiting to kill these people, but
it's like, oh, you can eat entertained by them, right, Margo.
You can be entertained by her at sometimes. But the
problem is there's a lot of uh times where that
character's sad or depressed, so you're supposed to feel for them,
or at least I guess, just watch and observe them.
But that's where it is tough. I think is one
of the toughest access to do a great character. And
it's not so much like God what like natural born Killers,
where all these are two extremely awful persons, let's see
the right, No, they're kind of walking the line between
at times, Her and Heathcliff are bad people, but they're
not bad enough that you want to see like burnt
or killed or something like that. Right, we'renatual moorn kills
and you just kind of lock and have a good
time because all these are crazy people like a Bonnie
and Collide, Right, they're not to that extent. So I
think my issues that happened with the movie that end
up kind of keeping it from being as high as
the other ones are loving or get into like the
ten factor as far as enjoyment was some of the
situations with these characters that they're put in. I think
it's almost two surface level and they can't decide, like
there's something at the end they do and I feel
like they want you to feel certain way, but I
can't get there because you didn't really pick a lane completely.
And that's why I do want to watch it again
because maybe there will be some signs. I think my
second critique is something that won't be fixed, but maybe
you know, talk to Mike who love to talk to
other people. And I agree Mike. I haven't heard people
coin this, and I think Mike, who have Mike, you
know Patron, you know Discord fellow Canadian man. He made
a good point that I do think in this decade
and even in this four generation and the swamp of
the gender, I do think his comparison with Emerald Beeing
like a Zack Snyder equivalent, is apt because I think
there's gonna be times where they're gonna make choices. And
that's why sometimes with like Are the Dead, I didn't
love Arny Dead because it was lacking like Zack Snyder
choices right where Rebel Moon has some of those, and
that's where it's the bad choices, right. But then BVS.
Justice League, there's things that I very love in BVS
and things I have very dislike in Justice or in
BBS we're Justice League, most of the choices are double
thumbs up, right, So I think there's some choices that
for me, and that's what makes her interesting and make
me want to see this more than many other films.
It gives me time to think and right away it
goes okay. When I can watch this at home, I
do want to watch again to see how I feel so.
I think some of the character dynamics and some of
their arcs I think are lacking. I do, like I said,
reserve judgment for later on, but I think I'm pretty
set in this, and that me being that the pacing
of the third act feels very rushed and very messy.
It feels like we take a lot of time. I
was surprised how much time we got with them as kids,
how much time we got to the bill up of
her you know again, no big swish, she goes to
marry some rich dude. I thought that was gonna happen
a lot quicker. No, they take their time with the kids, flashbacks,
and they flashbacks just the start as kids. They take
their time in this marriage. They take their time. There
is a moment which I'll get into spoilers, that something
happens in the third act. It shifts. And that's another
thing too, where one of that shifts just doesn't really
make sense for me as far as a character dynamic.
And there's telling you one thing, but they then they
don't show you that thing, they don't continue to go
forward with that thing. It feels the pacing of the
third act is very rushed. I also think that there's
two ways you could to fix us. I think there is.
I think there is a situation where you could either
take out some things of the third act or there's
something or it needed to be longer because this movie
is two twenty, so like I guess like that's already
long enough. But you could have gone along with like
a historian love angle, you know. So I don't know.
I think that I think it longer would have potentially helped.
I think there's some questions I still would have had
with the execution. But yes, again, I think if you
are an Amerfel fan, you're definitely gonna at least enjoy this, right.
I think if you're iffy with her, I'd say you're
probably still gonna be iffy with her or not enjoy this.
You know, I've talked to many people Scott and uh
uh WONDERMANK who've many times been on the Geek for
his charity streams, and I've been on bogushering them a
few times, and Ei they're you know, online friends. They
are people that are I think they really appreciate or
enjoy her style of directing, but they the writing they've
been close to just barely passing movie or failing it
because it's just some of the choices they make, and
there is kind of that. Sometimes people not feel like
that with Zack sny Raised it's a slow motion or
the violence or scantily clad women and whatnot. I think
people have that. I think there is a moment in here,
that meme that goes around right of Tina Fey. I
can't remember who she's talking to, but she's talking to
somebody on our podcast and she's like, Oh, you don't
want to have a letter box. You don't want to
review a movie poorly because one day your agent's gonna
offer you an ameral Finnel script that has a sexually
charged third act that you have to act surprise about. Now. Granted,
I feel like and especially there's one thing I mean
again too, it's not a take, but some people are
sharing around that. I was like, man, some people got
a very and that's not if you do, it's fine
if you do. Some people have got a very easygoing,
white bread sex life. Because I saw a thing before
I saw a movie, Thank goodness, I didn't see more
of it, but it was on my Twitter algorithm. It's
something like screen ran or someone's like this scene is
considered way more erotic or way more crazy than the
saltburn scene and the bathtub scene. And it's like, I'm sorry,
this guy slurp and come out of the bathtub drain
got nothing on like the scene and Worthern Heights gets
nothing on that scene. The scene WHETHERN Heights is like, OK,
I hate you guys. Like I feel like I've been
in this situation several times and I don't think this
is when I've ever don this like, oh, I'm doing
We all do things right, let's break the footfall. We
all have our you know, our for play or build
up our sex, and we all those things right now,
we're being a little extra dirty right the act that
happens around this rock situation. I was like, I've never
thought like, oh, I'm being a dirty guy here. It's
like no, I just felt this kind of just regular.
I mean, it's not though, right, There's tons of man
and women out there for stuff that this isn't the thing,
but like for oral sex. I one of my very
good friends that we have talked a long time, but
I worked with her ten years ago and we were
I don't want to give out two more details. Uh,
she just didn't do oral sex, didn't didn't like you
or not. I could have never dated that person, been
the person does that. Luckily, me and my partner are
on the same way, like there if that's something we're
it's like, okay. I appreciate or enjoy the more sexual
charge movies because as studies shown, they do a lot
less than now more it's more on TV because people
don't want to see those in theaters. The younger generation
doesn't like that. I also think it has a lot
to do a porn because people can access this stuff a
lot easier. And I feel like in movie six scenes
it was like, oh, we got to see this right now,
it's a clip aboon the way. But I think that
there is one moment in the third act, right, oh,
you know what. I like this stuff, but just it
just doesn't. It didn't work here for me like it
usually does, even the outland of stuff, like even what
Barry does in that grave, you know, like this this
kind of works with the Headspace's character is in. It
still does work, I guess when I get there, it
just feels like it's a little unnecessary. And that's where
I feel like it takes away for some of the
stuff and takes away from the final kind of crescendo
of this film. So I'm gonna take an ad break
now if people, like I said, I kind of gave
those things, if you're kind of in the middle of
mmal Ventil, give it a chance, because I think visually
it is it's worth seeing. So I'll take an ad
break and then I'll be right back and we are back,
so that very thing I was going to mention, so
I'll kind of be all over. But I don't have
to talk too much about the beginning of this film
because I think all that was done relatively well. The meeting.
They have a Very, and this is what I thought
could be fine. They have a Very, which is interesting
brother and sister type of relationship. They are not born together.
The dat adopts Heathcliff. She names a Heathcliff, and they
kind of have the situation that turns into like sexual
chemistry but versus very brother and sistory, which is like
all right, which we see all the time and Game
of Thrones and that type of stuff, right, but it's
very like making fun of each other. But at the
same time that's a natural trope of especially young kids
and young people. Right, like you like somebody, so you'd
be mean to them, right, And they have that to
the m degree to their adults. Right. There's one scene
where Marcot Robbi's literally like talking about how much she
loves her husband. Her husband's a better lover and more
sultry and more dirty. And that's again Jacob Lordy going
And that's where they do it on the table. That's
the scene where it changes. So I think multiple scenes.
I guess I should set up for even that does
not see the film wants to spoilers. You know, they
they're kids, uh, you know, growing relationship, get to we'll
get to the Nelly character. My least favorite thing of
this movie. Nothing to do with the actress, purely the writing.
So we'll leave her last. Well, excuse me, we'll leave
her last. They're kids, awesome groups kids. Uh. They eventually
there's a rich family or whatnot that moves down the way.
Margot wants to impress them. They kind of have the
idea they revealed the end of the film, which I thought
was a very touching scene. There's a scene where they're
late because there's a storm. It's the dad's birthday. He
starts off Semay nights, but you learn he has a
gambling problem and a drinking problem, so he gets worse
as things go along. They're late. He flip takes the
brunt of that and says, oh, I'm the reason we're late.
He whips the ship them right. She goes. Kathy goes
to confront him or console him in the bed, and
she asked what he needs, just like lay with me
in this bed. He's scarred, covering blood, she's asleep, quotation marks,
and he says, oh, I'm always gonna love you, and
then he turns over, goes to sleep, and that's where
the scene cuts. When we first see it, or I
don't think we even see that. Maybe we do. We
just see the bad thing, right, I couldn't. But either way,
when we get to the end, they replay the scene
where he says that, and then they show Cappy and
she smiles. He's heard that. So they both kind of
have this, will they won't they? And that's a very
I think the montage is great. I think that ending
scene is fantastic. I think the feelings towards the montage
are leave me a little conflicted because again, I'm not
actively really rooting for these two, which is is fine,
but like, I think the type of montage they gave
it was like a Titanic like about time type of montage.
And I guess you could say, oh, well, bad people
desert like would think that way too, I guess, but
I think it there's just some changes that some changes
or just did work for me in what they're trying
to go for there. Right on the first watch Jesus
Water again, it's fucking ghost in here. She eventually accepts
to marry this guy. Of course hef cliff Is, you know.
Then there's some other stuff too, the most raunchy scene
which Mitchell I want. I hope soon that in a
and a bigger role that she uses him because he's
the guy that's in house to Dragon. I he was
great in Saltburn in his little role. He's great here
in a little role. I hope he gets like a
a bigger role, going for like a big supporting role,
almost like what Alison Oliver's had both those movies. I
very much like that. He is very talented playing a
completely different character, like a mostly normal guy, but they
see something where he has a relationship with one of
the other workers there at the wathering heights, and there
he's bringing out whips like which one you want to
mean to fuck you with? And then she brings up
the horse like whatever that things are put in your mouth.
So they have this scene where he focks her from behind.
You don't get to see much of it, That's what
I mean, And I will say, I guess I should
have said a nonspoils. I think this scene now I
agreed with we talked about in the discord, right, because
we joked about, like I say, this is the Taylor
Masson movie, right, and I'd always joking like short saltburn.
I agreed with others and Mike, who premier, was saying
that he felt be more romantic. I agreed with that too,
But I still thought when we got the sex scenes,
those would be a bit more salt Bernie, they'd be
a bit more out there were, Like even all the
sex scenes with a LORDI and Margo, they're just like
fully dressed. Sometimes I need to see them naked. I've said,
we've seen them both naked. I'm not saying, oh my god,
like that's Marty Row's big debut, right, But it's just
like it felt very tame in that stuff. Like even
when he's like going down on it and he's like
under her dress, it's like I can't see anything that's
going on there. So it's like it just was I
think missing some of that stuff, you know, like even
the scene which is a weird scene, but like I
can't remember the character's name, but I can't even Oh, go,
what is I can't even remember his actual name. I
think of Barry Kyogan's. And Ollie has that sex scene
with the other guy. That's a scene that you don't
even see much, but like the tension and everything there
that feels much more like this is uncomfortable in a
good way, that this is something you shouldn't be seen. Right.
The horror scene kind of felt like that a little bit.
The rest of me, it's like, okay, nothing to there.
So that's where I will give Mike the credit where
you know, and they did some stuff of her, you know,
we saw on the trays touching the fish, lots of
erotica zooms out, and that's where I thought we were
going too, because the opening on this movie starts with
a hanging, but it's a guy breathing over credits and
sounds like he's about to have an orgasm, So like, oh,
we're really going this. So I get that as far
as it's this idea of temptation and all this stuff.
But I just thought when we gave in the temptation,
we were gonna go a little harder on that. Which
is fine, that's okay. That's not like a big that's
not even a knock. I'm just was surprised about that, right,
And I could say a little disappointed, but that wouldn't
be like a score off. So, and this is the
scene I was talking about. She accepts the proposal. I'm
getting something's mixed up or whatever. She accepts the proposal
of the rich guy Linton, and she's she's seen this
what the scene was while these two workers were having sex.
Margot heard this from her room. She goes to watch
and this was a good scene too. Margot watches from
like the roof. She goes to make a noise of
gas because she sees this horse contraption go around in
Lay's face. A Laurie's behind her, he's laying on her.
He covers her mouth, covers her eyes to like protect her,
like innocence and you know, they didn't see a way.
He's kind of getting hard. She's torn it through the
next twenty four hours, she decides, oh, I gotta go
rub one out. So she goes to the where the
rocks are. She goes she starts a mass bait on
this rock. And that's why I guess this is a
scene where after they're flirting and he like there their
fight or they're fighting, and he's like push each other
and whatnot, because he's kind of making jest of seeing
her do this to herself. And then he she goes
to slap and he takes her hand and he like
puts it in her mouth. Again. I guess I'm revealing
my cards. I just thought when a feel time like
that means it's the rock scene. I was like, okay,
I got maybe some people have maybe maybe some people
I would say, some things would consider Oh Travis like
that that that's cross the line. That's something a little
bit different. I uh just uh, you know, I don't
know usual regular occurrence in the household. So I I
when I heard that was the scene, it's like, okay,
I again expecting more out of the rock scene. Still
like a good scene overall. But then uh, whatever, they
marry and they do what we said where she goes
lives her life where she's all rich, but she's oh,
I guess I didn't mention too. We'll get into the
Nelly character. Margot Robbie's torn. She's telling this Nelly character,
who is pretty much her handmade, what she's gonna do
because she wants to marry Lydden. But she's in love
with a heath Cliff and she gets her to a
mit wall. She knows the lord he's listening that okay,
you know, if I were to marry him, it would
be a step down, right, It would be kind embarrassing
because he's just like, he's dirty, he's poor, all this stuff.
He doesn't look well all the stuff or even though
Jacob LORDI is still looking hot, but so he hears
says he fucks off. We get years later, just the
mom tells if she's mad, I'm not getting all the
nooks and cranny. This will probably talk. Let's again with U.
I saw Kirkland Salt maybe Golden Geeks. She spends her
winter time with his family that she's married into. She's
having a good time, but she's still missing Heathcliff. The
money and all the good stuff, isn't there. I love
she gets this room. That's the color of her face,
because her husband says, the most beautiful face, her beautiful
color in the world. Even her freckle is on the wall.
It's great. It feels like skin. The husband is not
made to be. He's kind of aloof and kind of
feels like maybe he wont a trophy wife. But they
never went as far as he's like, to me, he's
probably the best human in here, even though like he's
not great, but like he doesn't abuse her. At one
point I thought he was gonna assault her. He doesn't
do that. He could be more at tentative to his wife,
for sure, But she also was like, never gonna love
him right, Like, I don't think there was they ever
had a shot really, especially once Heathcliffe came back. So
and Kathy's a very selfish character that way. Heathcliff comes back,
she invites him into the family. As far as all
he doesn't have a place to stay. He reveals he
bought buys worlding heights. All this stuff goes down, and
then of course they eventually start to get it on right.
All the it's the classic tropes you've seen before. Husband
thinks something's off but doesn't fully get it. Will they
won't they They start getting it on and stuff. As
things go on, they keep making these appointments to sneak
away and have sex right and then. But what we
didn't reveal is one hundred percent that she is pregnant.
But with Litton's babies, there's no controvers there. She was
pregnant before Heathcliffe got back. That's the controversy, Like, are
you gonna tell him that you're pregnant right eventually? Because
you're getting on having this affair. She decides she's gonna
At one point, we'll get there. Nellie. They do this
thing where Nellie saw Heathcliff coming and made Cathy say
bad things about him so he would hear it. Right.
The Nelly character to me is a mess, and that's
what need more explaining. And their relationship is a mess.
Uh So Nelly Margo fires, Nellie tells go get another job.
She goes to the husband just pretty much feels what's
going on, so he says no more. Heathcliff done cut
him off. He doesn't say about the affair, but they
kind of insinuate. They both kind of know right while
she's saying her go bye, Heathcliff in the night, he
can't see her. I guess, I don't know. It's a
fucking weird scene. He says, get out here, and she's like, oh,
I like the call, well, my future son, you know
we will be damaging to him. Heath finds that out.
So yeah, the scene where he sticks around in the bushes,
he's waiting to make his movies, sticking around. He breaks
in the middle of night. They have sex one more time.
That's scene I talked about where she's saying he's such
a good lover. I love my husband more than you,
and then which they've insinuate a few times, and that's
where I thought we were getting a change where I
heard Heathcliff was a cagey character up unto this point.
Other than being like kind of you know, making some
shot like they're like at each other's throats, Heathcliff wasn't
overtly a bad character yet, so I thought, oh, is
that what they're doing. They're switching Kathy's kind of the
more asshole character. Heathcliff is maybe not that Because I thought, oh,
we'll learn that his money's from crime. Whatnot? We never
learned that in this movie. Okay, so up to this
point at least an hour, at least two acts ies
for sure, two acts, so it's over an hour. I
would say, he like, maybe like a bad boy, but
not done anything bad. Right. So then they make this shift,
and I thought this was where we're going. We're okay,
they're gonna flip it where she started as making the
more bad one, you know, more very selfish, mean towards
other characters. Which it's weird because she's constantly mean towards Nelly.
But she goes back to visit her father. She's nice
to him, she's nice to the stage hand there, like,
I don't know, it's it's a kind of it all
over with her character. They have sex, the organza happens
and he says like, I would kill him if you
want me to. And I was wondering, Oh, they gonna
fully go back together or is this the turn? And
I thought this was the turn because she said, oh,
years ago, I said, being with you, you know, I
would degrade myself. But now I realized that I'm the
one degrading myself. Like she's done her own self, right,
So I thought, okay, and what tracks follows here? They like,
I said, Alison Oliver plays this character. Let me get
her name there, She's like, uh, I can't remember her
position proficional time, but Isabella, she's just like a worker
for the husband Lytton right, Edgar is his name, but
she's just like a worker, like his assistant. It's established
early on that she has a crush on Jacob Elordi
in a terrible scene where fucking Margaret pulls her hair
and like cause she insinuates one time that Kathy's jealous
and she pulls her hair and like, I'm not jealous.
You have your way with him? Yet all this stuff, like,
she's a terrible character. As far as a person, I
think the character is well written. I think the character's
well written enough up until again, the third act. So Margot,
when she hears that there's no joke that he will
kill Edgar if she wants him to, she kind of
has this realization that, man, this is not good for
any of us. We gotta stop. So I thought, Okay,
we're gonna see Heathcliff go to be ultra bad and
then she's gonna have her change of heart and the
sense of she's gone too far right, we don't really
get either. She says I can't be with you Heathcliff,
but then spends the last third act missing him, wanting
him back, and dying because she has sepsis. She won't
eat all this stuff. Newly, who is her assistant, doesn't
really report because she's mad out too. It's this whole
conflute thing, but it doesn't make sense where it's just
like she kind of pushes him away but then wants
him right away. Now, I guess that attracts a little
with what happened before, with saying, oh, I don't love
you and then realizing the state and she that's so
I forrid. I mentioned before Heathcliffe left she was gonna
tell him that she, you know, actually like she had
changed her mind overnight and that she did want to
be with him. This is a bit different as far
as the murder side. I felt this character had a
full epiphany of how bad things have gone, or could
get that she cannot be with him anymore, But it
didn't feel that way. In her dying moments, she wants Heathcliff,
which I guess I kind of get, but Still, then
what was the point of her really pushing them away,
you know at this point just run away with this
fucking guy. Like it didn't track for that turn of
not wanting to be with them that seahim, it feels
very manufactured, like they can't see each other because the
whole tragedy is they're trying. She misses him, he's trying
to communicate with her. His letters are being thrown up
on nally. So the ideas they both miss each other,
they don't know that the other knows that, and she dies,
they don't get to reunite till heath Cliff finds her
dead body. Right, So that's the thing where they do
all this that to me doesn't track as far as
I thought it was gonna be. One with Flipping and
then with heath Cliff. He goes to Isabella, he marries her,
and I appreciate this, he says, all this stuff like
I'm gonna use you as just a way to get
back at her. We're gonna use a way to get
her love back, like you're pretty much just gonna be
my assistant. By marriage, they go get married. Heaven says, oh,
you can kiss the bride. He didn't kiss. He turns away,
and they're doing him being shitty, making her write all
these letters Nelly a point. One point comes back to
see that Isabella's on the chain on the ground with
a chain around, acting like a dog in like a
very dominant sexual manner. But then later on he walks by,
he shows the chain. He's, oh, so she could leave
it any moment. They like, I feel like, are trying
to make him very evil. So for the point of
like when it half, I was like, Okay, yeah, you
definitely can't with this guy. You let the fox into
the hand and hand right, you fell in love with
the guy that clearly either was always this way or
after you he left because he was heart broke and
became a worse person. But no, like like I said,
he even does that chain reveal where Okay, it's not
that bad. She is there by her free will. And
then at the end he gets like this hero's journey
where he's like riding the horse trying to get to her.
Even ed when he shows up, she's already like you
can't see her now. Don't get me wrong, I'm a
fucking mark for that type of stuff. I love an
X two when Jean Rey dies and you have Wolverine
cyclops who fucking hate each other are hugging each other
because they lost the woman they love. I like that
what they're doing with Heathcliff and Edgar, it just doesn't
work in the way that for me, Heathcliff is being
made out to be this bad guy really for what,
for no reason, because she's already like at one point,
like now, he's already throwing these letters away. I would
understand if she went up there and saw what he
was doing, but even then, he's not even doing this.
Isabella is by free will there. He's like she's free
will playing a dog, a sexual dog, right, It's like
if he has her chained up, that plays more into it.
So for the thing is all a lot of these
choices for me and the third I don't really make sense,
or if they could have made sense, they needed more time.
It feels like everything is good and up until that
moment sex exist. You want me to kill her? It
is rush, rush, rush, it's go, go go. It feels
very fast, but not in a good way. It feels
too much is going on, not enough is flushed out.
I definitely could have used a bit more time there.
So it's a combination of issues as far as it's
still again beautiful stuff going on acting as well. The
scene at the end of the montage is nice. That
scene the end is great. Jacob Lorid find the body
is fantastic. He's delivered an all star performance there. I
don't have like big issues there. It's just stuff that
kept it from I think really flying. It. Definitely some holebacks.
It just feels like if you were you know, we
watched the Olympics and the long jump and they talk
about every little thing you need to get that perfect
jump and hit the green line. Feels like on the
takeoff of the third act there was some turbulence along
the way. And then the last one I'll bring him
on spoilers was again with the character stuff. This Nelly character,
she is as a kid, friends but also working for
the family. They do a time jump, which I also
wanted more scenes of Margo and Nelly after the time jump.
Felt like we didn't get much, but the idea is
they were friends. Heath showed up and they kind of
subserved that relationship and Heathcliff and Kathy are close. Were
Kathy and Nelly No longer, and she's a character I
tell about nonsployers where while this is going on, saying hey,
can you advise me on life? Like what should I do?
I got this proposal she Kathy tells her like you've
never been loved, you're pathetic, You're on paraphrase about all
this type of stuff. So again it's like why should
I care for this character? Right? So they kind of
showed at this point where even then I talked about
Heathlif's there. She makes Kathy say these bad things but
Heathcliff bet are true, but someone not true. So you
kind of get the sense of, okay, because you were
abandoned as a kid by your friend here and all
these other choices, you want to say, fuck this person, right,
And I'd kind of be okay at that if it
was Kathy and Heathcliffe as like pretty much bad people
remills the story you have. Nelly is like the person
in the background that kind of got the win here,
like a reverse Barry Keegan in Saltburn. But the problem
is she is always back and forth on how she
feels about some of these characters, and same with fucking Kathy.
At one point, Heathfliff says, oh, I thought you said
those things about me back in the day, because I
thought you knew there, and she I knew I was there,
and I should have set up. While Kathy and nell
are talking, he clots behind a door listening, Uh Nellie
saw that, and he goes, oh, well, Nellie saw me
walking up there, so I thought you knew. Margot didn't
know that. That's when she says, you can leave, like
you were a part of the worst decision of my life,
the worst thing that's happened to me, Nellie, you created.
And then she is burning her letters, which Margot kind
of has an idea, not one hundredcent confron of from
Heathcliff that that's going on. All this stuff. She's also
telling the husband not to see her. She was doing
all these terrible things to all these people, and that's
somewhat funny because some of them are treat her shit,
like Kathy. Right. So when the big moment happens that
she told her that, oh, she lost the baby, she
didn't believe her because she kind of thought it was
just a falsehood. She was lying. She didn't tell Edgar.
Edgar finds her bleeding. Now that's when she finally tell
He finally tells Nellie that you get the fuck out
of here. You screwed us up. She's dying, she's got
sept It's like terrible Handmaiden, right. So as Nellie gives
us news, the cat who since she's heard this information,
hates the Nelly character. And to me, other than the
stuff that shows a kid, we did not see enough
of them being so close that it's like we've all
had that where we've been mad, friends, felt disrespected, lost
some trust. But the hope is maybe you can still
love them even if you're not friends with them, you
could still find a way to love them, right, And
I guess that's the point. But you never get that
sense from Kathy at all. Of one, we didn't get
to see them being very close again since they were kids,
like even just like somewhat friendly, you know, it feels
very servant esque relationship. You get that. And then the
other thing is she's so mad at her because yeah,
she told she made her say that stuff about Heathcliff.
He heard that ruined that chance that relationship things could
have changed, right, which you know, Ka and Nellie's still like, well,
you made these choices, which I agree like all the
things Nelly says, I agree with as far as like
you made these choices, like even Heathluss, like I didn't
break your heart, you broke your own heart. Like the
Kathy character really has no leg to stand on here,
so she's leaving. As I said, there's been multiple things
that happened throughout the movie that Kathy hates Nelly. Now
they think, well, you got your wish, I'm out of here.
And because you know, and she's dying, which are granted,
you're Kathy's dying. He's like she wants her there. But
like they portrayed his way like you've always been my friend, Nelly,
Please don't need to don't leave, I need you here.
What what just doesn't feel warranted. It feels like you've
hated this character, you've waited for this moment. And then
they're hugging, and then of course Nellie says, oh, you
know all this stuff I sort of did. I thought
I wasn't doing it on purpose, but now the scariest
thing is I realized I might have. So it's like, Okay,
you don't get the satisfaction of fucking over this bad person.
Because they're back and forth that they're bad or not.
The motivations are back and forth with they're bad or not.
Now he's back and forth as she hates her or not.
So like that whole thing there, I think I would
have just rather nowly been like yeah and fuck you
and walk out, you know, like that would have been
much better for me this both of them being very
wishy washing in the relationship. Now, granted, don't get me wrong,
that does happen in life, and that can happen in
movies and be well, I just don't think we saw
enough of the Nelly Kathy dynamic. It feels like Nelly
would be around so but she would take a break
for twenty minutes and then come back in the story,
take another break, come back in the story. So for me,
that needed more development for that result to hit that resolution,
and it didn't. And that's where I think a lot
of the third act the resolution doesn't hit where they're
trying to make you feel like this big love story,
but you kind of dislike them so you don't want
to be there for the montage. They kind of make
you want to feel like they've been bad people, but
then they kind of walk it back. You kind of want.
They make you feel that Kathy hate Snelli and all
this stuff, but they also walk it back. That's on
an on story purpose, but you don't feel that they
want that resolution like oh my childhood friend. But no,
like that's not warranted and most and Nollie's not warranted.
Edgar's just having a terrible time, you know, the all
Alice and all Bella just I don't know, eventually gets
pulled out of there screaming. And again, I thought that
was gonna be longer. I thought the marriage and the
note writing, all that stuff, those dynamics were gonna be longer.
It just feels like, and I don't know if this
was the case, I feel like they'd give her found cut,
but it just feels like they hit two twenty and
they're like hey, or they hit like two thirty five
and they Okay, you can do all this stuff, but
it's gotta be two twenty. And that's where it just
felt like the third act like cut cut, cut, cut cut,
And if it didn't, it justel like that was the
least fleshed out then the the least well written. So
uh yeah, that's my thoughts. I need to watch it.
I'm somewhere between the eight and nine somewhere where I am,
but still overall liked it. Like I said, I the
it sounds like I'm more negative. That's where I just
feel like all the rest of stuff leads up. As
far as I think they do everything well for act
one in act too, I really have no notes there,
even as far as them being bad people or whatnot,
or the choices there. It has a crescendo in the
third act, and that's where I think the third act
just kind of stumbles. So did very very much enjoy it.
I might. It couldn't even be my gold Gee's pick.
We'll see, but I'm hoping not because I usually like
to put those on movies that are tenant, and so
I hope. If not, it's a bad year and I
think Tayan Kirklan are already seeing it. But yeah, it'll
definitely be if it's If I don't have a pick,
that's that's the other thing. If I don't have a
ten ten pick that's no one's seen and it's not
a bunch of categories, then definitely, because I would have
it for acting multiple categories. I don't know a'ssie right now.
It's my second favorite movie of the year. I don't
know if it'll be that way within the year. You
never know. But yeah, so that's my thoughts on Worthering
Heights had a great time. It had some issues along
the way. I wish I completely loved it, but I
still loved a lot of it. Nonetheless, really enjoyed it.
Definitely not on the same level assault far as Saltburn
and Processing a Woman, as far as I hold those
to such high esteem, This to me is a great
effort with a kind of meandering ending ending. And I
shouldn't say effort, right, it's just great exec It is
a nine eighty five percent for me execution. I guess
I have to see the third act run time, so
I'll say seventy five percent of great execution and just
the follow up, the finish, that's where it hits the
goosegg there. But yeah, that's my thoughts. Let me know
in the discord, Patreon, YouTube anything, I you know. I'm
sure people want to. I want to hear, Mike, I'm
sure you might hit me up. I want to hear
your guys' theories, your thoughts about some of my takes here.
And that's why things can change all the time. Like
I recently, just this weekend, I rewatched Spider Man three.
I bumped that up a point five for just certain things.
It's been years and I finally did, and I bumped
Spider Man Amazing Spider Man down point five because I
just looked at things differently, and that's where films can
always evolve, right, And I want to have that. I think,
no matter what, though some of the dynamics people can
point out some maybe and also I don't want to
watch them scenes again. People some point out some more
point of views or some scenes of oh did you
didn't take this like this? And that's what I thought.
That's meant that works. I think, no matter what, it
could never be like a tenor because it's like that.
The third acts pacing to me is just a bit off.
So that's my thought on Whirling Heights. I hope the
rest of you have a good week. Lots of casts
a week. I'll be back Thursday. I should be back,
even if it's evergreen topic. I'll try to be back
for live at eleven am PSD and it will not
be boring