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Speaker 1: Hello ladies, gentlemen, welcome back to trest. Told you I'm

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your host, trust now as always. February seventeenth, twenty twenty five.

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Apologuys didn't go live today? What I guess I should

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preference to like this. There was no reason not to

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go live today other than for reviews. Sometimes I do,

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like you know, the wiki one I did as a

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box office talk. Sometimes it's just easier in the day

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for me if it's not news related, to bounce it

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out and not go live at the same time, like

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sometimes in that lovemark is hard. So that's why it's like, okay,

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you know what I can give myself, especially today because

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for people I don't know in Canada, Monday was a

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day off, so I had lots to work to catch

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up on. So that's just why eleven I had some

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stuff to get done before I could have tried to

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make a way to work it. But honestly, I just

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for my preference to try and make life easier. Okay,

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I'm just gonna do recording it because I can kind

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of do that whenever I need to. Plus, if there's

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any times I need to take a break, I could

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because sometimes at my day job, mergency stuff happens. You

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guys all know this. We've talked before. But I'm here

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to talk and that's why too. I'm talking about Worthing

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Heights a couple of days late, you know, a big

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shout out in thinking to everybody that I don't know

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read the post or whatnot. Yeah, nothing big. But Sidney

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was a little sick and as I've talked about in

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the past that she has always got trouble with breathing

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and she can just got pemmonia in the past. So

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it was the Thursday where she was sick and she

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can be up a little bit more. Her breathing is

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a little tough. So I was like, I don't want

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to leave him here alone. And then and then also

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I got to go see with her. It was a

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geek first review that I'd find a way and she's

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great mum shoe pathed through. But I'm like, if I

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could make her life a little bit easier. So that's why,

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you know, not live because you know, and it's just

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Worthering Heights a couple of days late. But yeah, I'll

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give my thoughts here on it. I'll give my non

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spoil thoughts. I'll do a not even quick just like

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a mention of the box office, and then spoiler's probably

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not gonna be a super long episode. I plan to

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be back on Throughday Live eleven am PST. So if

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you listen to that, not sure what we're gonna talk

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about today or then lots of good stuff. Dylan and

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Kirkland just did a side quest which was fun, bringing

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down the state of play. We got tons of stuff

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coming to Patreon this week. We got two Resident Evil

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retrospectives coming, the very first Resident Evil live action film

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and the first and made film that's gonna be coming

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for the Phase two patrons and up. So it's gonna

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be a good time. Yeah, other stuff, flashback episode, Punish,

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a retrospective. I'll be whole bevy as far as producers

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getting some of those earlier something being Phase three when

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they have posted, you'll know about them. I think me

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and are doing a weekly geeked talk about Mando. And

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then most importantly this Friday, let's see this Friday eight

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fifteen pm PST, we're going to be reviewing or not

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reviewing anything I guess is our lives. But finally, Matt,

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if you listen to this, we're gonna be talking doing

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the Bond draft, and it is an in person episode

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myself kirklanda first one in twenty twenty six. Honestly, we've

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tried to do those monthly. When we started, we took

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a little break because the holidays, and also Taya had

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his second child, so we couldn't do them then. But

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as you've seen, the in person episodes are some of

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the funnest ones of the year. Everybody you know has

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big a claim for them. So I hope we can

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deliver again. I know we will because anytime we get

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anytime we're in person, can see it's crazy, but anytime

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we're together or sorry, anytime on cast, I can get

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crazy about in person, just the the energy bounces off

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the room. There, Maddie, we're starting with the draft. We're

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not doing any news any what we've been watching. We're

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gonna do the draft first. Anything else after we'll get

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to that. So yeah, there you go. Worthering heights so interesting.

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about beforewards like tracking like twenty to thirty, and then

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was high ends of fifty and I think the below

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was like it was like four four billion, who four

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million below it's expectation. So I think what they probably

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settled on was like forty because what did it finish

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at for the three day weekend here box office Mojo,

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let's just see here thirty two. So yeah, I think

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been below. But you know what overall did pretty well.

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International had a budget of eighty million, and it is

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at what is it is? It has been cast, so

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it has been made a profit or not a profit,

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just it has made a two million. Sorry, I got

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a no vocation about Scooby Doo casting. We can think

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Grace playing Daffy and Scooby do. That really threw me

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off because as I've said before, I got no vocations

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on my phone for news and whatnot for GV and

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everything just saw as I had to process that. So

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that's what it threw me off. There made a two million.

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I think it's at eighty five eight eight million out

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and a budget of eighty million. For me, this is

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an absolute win because I've said this before. Not only

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is like a romantic ray arm movie which cannot always

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sell sometimes be an issue. It's worthing heights. That's not

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like a I've said before, and people made all made

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a big hubble about all these changes, right like the

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to the to the material, to the soundtrack, to being

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maybe over sexualized and everything like that. I understood a

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purist at heart. But at the same point, if you

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want to sell this movie and make a profit, make

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it a hit. That saying I think this movie will

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do very well in stream and VOD what happens. It's

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only week one, so to me, it has made its

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production buggetship back. Obviously, you always want to make a

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a double budget to make that big profit, and I

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think marketing has made big I don't know if it's

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gonna do that. I'm not sure. I guess no. I

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THINKL like I get to you never know, right because

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it housemade. That's almost because what was Housemaid's opening weekend? Right?

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I know that was Christmas in January, right, but opening

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weekend it's almost at four hundred million. Let's see, opening

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weekend was nineteen million, so you never know. So yeah,

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we'll make a profit. And then all obviously the preliminaries

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after the fact streaming and vod and stuff, it'll do

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that and Valentine's they give it a push. If it's

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gonna have that word of mouth, that's gonna be interesting.

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My theory is pretty full. And then that get into

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my actual thoughts. So I'll give you my non square thoughts,

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and then obviously when uh, when it's time, I'll give

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you a little break ad warning and then it will

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be time for me to get into spoilers again. Not

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gonna be super long, but uh, you know, nonetheless of

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you plan on seeing the movie at some point, bounce

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and then you will get that. Okay, there we go.

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so worthing heights. As people know, I've been very excited

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for this. I rank this as my number two anticipated

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movie for the year. I'm pretty sure of twenty twenty six,

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right behind The Odyssey me just the two films she's done.

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Eryal Fennel is one of my favorite directors for the

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current Dame, not gonna say of all time, but she's

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getting up there for if you continue this trajectory, I

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think it's gonna go there. She's somebody that I already

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thought this after Saltburn. But I'm gonna be there even

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after this, like no matter what. It's not like with

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uh with ari Astor, right, I remember me and Dylan

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did Midsomaris. No matter what, I'm gonna see an ari

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Astor movie, right, and Hereditary Midimari those aren't even some

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of my favorite movies, right, But Promsey Young Woman that

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year came out to me. It was the best movie

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that year, and Sultburn was my favorite movie that year.

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I wouldn't say it's the best, but it was my

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favorite movie of that year. So I had big expectations

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for this. I will preference this, I will refer to

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it a few times. But I don't want to hear

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this at all from anybody. I've not read the book.

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It's not somebody had to read in school thing I

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heard a little bit about, but now I read it

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at all. So anything I have negative towards the film,

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if it's a oh, well that happens in the book,

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and then it's negative towards the book. I hate that

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as people bring all the time up as like as

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a clutch for you can't you know, go against something, Well,

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this happens the way in the book. So it has

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to have the way in the movie. Well, then in

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the book it's poorly written or not well. All I

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knew is it was some kind of long, you know,

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stead romance where these couples get broken apart. Seemed like

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it's a little bit of that, kind of like a

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Great Gatsby, right, where some guy's in love with someone

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in a different social class goes away, it comes back

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with some money and they might not be what they appear, right.

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And the only thing I had heard that Heathcliffe is

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kind of like a I won't say bad individual, but

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something like that right where he's not he's even Great

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Gatsby right, like he was into doing drug stuff. There

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was a murder there, like a questionable individual, That's what

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I'll say, right. And I was very excited because I

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like Charlie XCX. But the trailer, like I loved the

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score and the trails. It said to somethke that the

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trailer version of Chains of Love I'd listened to since

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that trailer came out at least once a week more

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than that. Uh so that was going on. The visuals

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were looking stunning and a Lordy to me has proven

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way before. I think people I've said this a couple

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times this month. They woke up with Frankenstein. But to me,

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already in Euphoria and Saltburn, he had proved like he's great,

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like he's above just being a good looking guy. Margo's Margo,

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She's fantastic. She can be one of the best in

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the world given the right script and everything like that.

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So after all these tools, after all its excitement, where

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was I in this one? I can say, just like

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firmly put this third as far as my Emerald Thinnold one,

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I did really enjoy this. Everything that I was looking

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for match the album, the soundtrack, the score, fanchasttastic. I

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think Charlie xx goes perfectly with this. I think MFL

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has a great sensibility of because I'm somebody that's sometimes

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the modern day music. I'm watching Peeky Blinders right now,

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and sometimes it works, sometimes doesn't, but in a very

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aged tale, but using modern aspects as far as the clothing,

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the score, offusly, the songs, and yes, the clothing a

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big thing, right and I love that. I love there's

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multiple dresses that are like a hybrid of back then

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and now that you probably couldn't have created back then

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to my knowledge, But I like that. I think that's

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a good I think she does a good job of

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making this kind of updated, you know, modern yet old

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age fantasy, and I love that that's something new. That's

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what you want. Again. What I said before is I

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watch an Emerald fenmoal Emerald Fennold movie for Emeral Fennil.

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I want that style. I want to be immersed, and

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I absolutely was just like her other movies. I think

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for me, it's easily the weakest. It's not in the

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rank of three where Saltburn and Promise Young Woman could

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go back and forth with one and two because Saltburn's

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a favorite, where Promisly Young Woman is the best. I

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would not put those on any wavelength. I don't think

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this is better than the other two, and I don't

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think this is more my favorite than the other two.

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I think I could probably watch this more than Promising

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Young Woman because Promise Young Woman is a great movie

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with an amazing performance. But it's a tough watch too,

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rite it's very heavy at multiple points. This can get heavy,

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but it's kind of like an over the top heavy

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like you kind of get immersed in the fantasy. So

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it's kind of fine. We're promising women is today's stuff.

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world unfortunately. Right, So that's where and Sultburn's an easy watch.

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the retrospective check those out. That's kind of what I

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thought with the previews as well too. I think a

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LORDI and Margo have really good chemistry, but I don't

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think it's like an al Thimer. I could say, like

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a LORDI and Barry Keegan have better chemistry than these

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two did. Right, But I don't think it's a bad thing.

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It's not what I worried. I don't think she was.

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I don't think she was definitely miscast, because I know

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there was some worry about that. Now here's I'll wait

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to spoils. I don't think she was miscast now seeing

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the movie, with what the version of this version of

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Kathy is, I'll just say that this character Kathy can

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be very rude, can be a character that you're not

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often rooting for. I don't know if that's the way

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it is in the book. I don't know if they're

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both like that. I'd always just heard of Heath Cliff

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being like that, right, so I thought it was oh, young,

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you know, big eyed, unexperienced person looking for love finds

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the wrong guy kind of in a sense, right, But

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that's not what this is. So for me, I could

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understand some people saying, oh, some of that kind of

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dough white aspect that might not fit Margot Robbie. This

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character that I gave it here, she got to do

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almost some of the Harley quinnisms as far as when

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that character is rough and tumble and kind of more

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villainous works there. She's not like being crazy, but just

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the times where she can be a bit more rude

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she does that there, And that's what's interesting. So as

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far as performance is great, I can't remember her name.

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She wasn't Saltburn as well, but I'd say, to me, like,

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the standout is Jacob Elordi. Jacob Elordi again to me,

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proves he's gonna be in my opinion, multiple Oscar winner.

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He proves that he's Frankstine did this. Sorry, but he's

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he's like a leading his man, leading this man like

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he like he is gonna be he already is, but

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he's gonna be up there as one of the best

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as long as keep making the right choices. It doesn't

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get any trouble there. I think that he's going to

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do a really or he's gonna have just a fantastic career.

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I gotta find what the hell is her name? There?

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Me give me one sey. I gotta find the person

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that plays the What am I talking about? Whethering heights

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here are are she's she's like, uh, obviously you see

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the trails Marl Robi even she Mary's some rich guy

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right and he's like her ward or some helper like that.

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What the hell is her name? Alison Oliver? She plays

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Isabella and she was also in Saltburn as well. She oh,

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she's in the Order and she's in Task. Okay, that

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brings me up a reason to watch Task. She is

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somebody that obviously she's still getting like work. Order was

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you know, supposedly really well. Task was a very well

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reviewed show and did well. Uh, but to me, it's

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like I'm surprised more mainstream things haven't, like you know,

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scooped her up yet. I think you're gonna see that

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in the next few years, hopefully, No when Gev's listened

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to that, I love to get in a Superhillo draft.

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She's also anunderstand I think Margot is good, but there's

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tons with the character has to be kind of a

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bassline towards a Laurie that's being the dark and dashing.

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And then Alison is just crazy good. And then the

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other actress what is her name too? She's always great.

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To Hunkschalla who plays Nelly, she's great. I have issues

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with the Nelly character, and that's where I kind of

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come on. This where visually one of the best movies

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I've ever seen. No Mark's there. Acting is all good

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across the board there with i'd say a Lordian Oliver

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as the standouts. Even the guy that plays a dad,

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he does a very good job, is like a very

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simple but layer at the same time piece of shit Dad.

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I think the pacing is good up until the third act,

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and you're gonna hear that a lot from me. I

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think writing there's some interesting choices. I'd say once I

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imagine Armed the book directing. This movie's directed the fuck

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out of like Emerald again, Like I I would still like,

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I'm still gonna see everything this woman does. I love this.

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You know parts of this movie a lot. If you're

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gonna ask me a score because obviously spoilers if you're

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not sticking around fat, I feel like I'm anywhere from

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like an eight to an nine. I have to see

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it again to settle on. I think on letterbox I'm

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gonna give it like a four point five and a five.

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The point five is easily just purely visual and the

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style and the production and the look of this movie.

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It is that much of that's how much it delivers

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and uplifts this movie. So I think it does a

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fantastic job there. It's it's similar now, not to this extent,

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Don't get me wrong. I gave tront A four just

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per almost pure visuals and scenes alone, right, it's not

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to that effect. I still really enjoy leads of the acting,

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some of the dialogue, some of the cleverness, some of

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the dark humor. She's so good she can done and

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did that process the young Woman, which is very heavy,

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the dark humor. She is fantastic at right, and I

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love that she delivers on you know, three movies in

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a row. The type of genre. I don't think it's

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like a genre, but if it is to me, one

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of my favorite genres always said the questionable gray area

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lead protagonists. You know, I've always said before, I love

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Breaking Bad Love, American Psycho Love, Nightcrawler, Love, Drive, Love, Saltburn, Love,

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Processing Woman, even Cassie. That's a character that, yeah, sure

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is doing the right thing, but is you know, has

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a big gray area and is because of her life,

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has a very twisted point of view and not even

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wrongly so right like the thing she's trying to do

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all right, but you know, like you know, abducting who

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she does in that movie, right, Like there's things that

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character does to goal. I don't know about this, but

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it's for the right reason, Barry. Obviously there's a debate

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there as far as like how good or bad that

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person is and now justified but overall bad person. But

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it's fun to watch that character, right, So for those ones, example,

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the ones I just gave right, Night Crawler is Jake

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Jilhol You want to see does he achieve his goal

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become this photographer get the job right? Drive? Does funny enough?

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Carry Mulligan? Does he get the girl? Can he live?

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And even then like he's a gray character, I'd say

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a little less. Somebody is a criminal, right, But it's

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a can you get revenge on these people? There's a

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love aspect? That's something an aspect, okay, processing woman? Can

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I get revenge on these people? Same thing? Right? And

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then can I turn my life around? No? Gotta go

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over revenge sultburn? Can I take it? Can I either

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get the love of Jacob Lordi or take out these

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people and get the ultimate goal? Right? So with people

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of even Walter White breaking bad, it's not like love centric, right,

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it is Can I take out you know, X Y

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and Z? Can I provide for my family? Can I

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climb this rank in the drug world? Et cetera. These

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are two gray areas and their main goal is to

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find love. And that is a very interesting quarrel to

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have as a viewer because Kathy and I will jump

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around this a little bit till I get to spoilers.

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She I'd say, for almost most this is not a

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likable person. You can say that because of some things

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that happened to her. Childhood. That's the way she is,

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and that's fine, granted, but she gets put into an

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opportunity where she could make that change. There is one

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scene where she is asking this character for advice and

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she's just saying, like, I'm at my wits end, like

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she she is desperate for this life advice, right, But

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in the same conversation she pretty much just says that

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character is pathetic and no one's ever loved you, and

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you've never loved nobody and yet all this stuff, so

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right away, it's hard for you to ever root for

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said character, in my opinion, and you can like have

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a fine like same thing as the American Psycho. I'm

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not rooting for Patrick waiting to kill these people, but

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it's like, oh, you can eat entertained by them, right, Margo.

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You can be entertained by her at sometimes. But the

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problem is there's a lot of uh times where that

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character's sad or depressed, so you're supposed to feel for them,

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or at least I guess, just watch and observe them.

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But that's where it is tough. I think is one

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of the toughest access to do a great character. And

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it's not so much like God what like natural born Killers,

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where all these are two extremely awful persons, let's see

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the right, No, they're kind of walking the line between

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at times, Her and Heathcliff are bad people, but they're

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not bad enough that you want to see like burnt

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or killed or something like that. Right, we'renatual moorn kills

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and you just kind of lock and have a good

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time because all these are crazy people like a Bonnie

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and Collide, Right, they're not to that extent. So I

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think my issues that happened with the movie that end

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up kind of keeping it from being as high as

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the other ones are loving or get into like the

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ten factor as far as enjoyment was some of the

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situations with these characters that they're put in. I think

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it's almost two surface level and they can't decide, like

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there's something at the end they do and I feel

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like they want you to feel certain way, but I

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can't get there because you didn't really pick a lane completely.

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And that's why I do want to watch it again

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because maybe there will be some signs. I think my

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second critique is something that won't be fixed, but maybe

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you know, talk to Mike who love to talk to

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other people. And I agree Mike. I haven't heard people

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coin this, and I think Mike, who have Mike, you

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know Patron, you know Discord fellow Canadian man. He made

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a good point that I do think in this decade

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and even in this four generation and the swamp of

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the gender, I do think his comparison with Emerald Beeing

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like a Zack Snyder equivalent, is apt because I think

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there's gonna be times where they're gonna make choices. And

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that's why sometimes with like Are the Dead, I didn't

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love Arny Dead because it was lacking like Zack Snyder

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choices right where Rebel Moon has some of those, and

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that's where it's the bad choices, right. But then BVS.

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Justice League, there's things that I very love in BVS

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and things I have very dislike in Justice or in

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BBS we're Justice League, most of the choices are double

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thumbs up, right, So I think there's some choices that

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for me, and that's what makes her interesting and make

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me want to see this more than many other films.

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It gives me time to think and right away it

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goes okay. When I can watch this at home, I

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do want to watch again to see how I feel so.

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I think some of the character dynamics and some of

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their arcs I think are lacking. I do, like I said,

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reserve judgment for later on, but I think I'm pretty

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set in this, and that me being that the pacing

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of the third act feels very rushed and very messy.

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It feels like we take a lot of time. I

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was surprised how much time we got with them as kids,

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how much time we got to the bill up of

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her you know again, no big swish, she goes to

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marry some rich dude. I thought that was gonna happen

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a lot quicker. No, they take their time with the kids, flashbacks,

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and they flashbacks just the start as kids. They take

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their time in this marriage. They take their time. There

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is a moment which I'll get into spoilers, that something

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happens in the third act. It shifts. And that's another

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thing too, where one of that shifts just doesn't really

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make sense for me as far as a character dynamic.

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And there's telling you one thing, but they then they

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don't show you that thing, they don't continue to go

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forward with that thing. It feels the pacing of the

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third act is very rushed. I also think that there's

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two ways you could to fix us. I think there is.

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I think there is a situation where you could either

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take out some things of the third act or there's

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something or it needed to be longer because this movie

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is two twenty, so like I guess like that's already

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long enough. But you could have gone along with like

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a historian love angle, you know. So I don't know.

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I think that I think it longer would have potentially helped.

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I think there's some questions I still would have had

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with the execution. But yes, again, I think if you

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are an Amerfel fan, you're definitely gonna at least enjoy this, right.

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I think if you're iffy with her, I'd say you're

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probably still gonna be iffy with her or not enjoy this.

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You know, I've talked to many people Scott and uh

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uh WONDERMANK who've many times been on the Geek for

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his charity streams, and I've been on bogushering them a

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few times, and Ei they're you know, online friends. They

469
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,680
are people that are I think they really appreciate or

470
00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:51,119
enjoy her style of directing, but they the writing they've

471
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,799
been close to just barely passing movie or failing it

472
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:55,920
because it's just some of the choices they make, and

473
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,920
there is kind of that. Sometimes people not feel like

474
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,160
that with Zack sny Raised it's a slow motion or

475
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,319
the violence or scantily clad women and whatnot. I think

476
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,359
people have that. I think there is a moment in here,

477
00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:11,480
that meme that goes around right of Tina Fey. I

478
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,200
can't remember who she's talking to, but she's talking to

479
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,440
somebody on our podcast and she's like, Oh, you don't

480
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,799
want to have a letter box. You don't want to

481
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,680
review a movie poorly because one day your agent's gonna

482
00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:23,359
offer you an ameral Finnel script that has a sexually

483
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,079
charged third act that you have to act surprise about. Now. Granted,

484
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,319
I feel like and especially there's one thing I mean

485
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,839
again too, it's not a take, but some people are

486
00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,759
sharing around that. I was like, man, some people got

487
00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,720
a very and that's not if you do, it's fine

488
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,160
if you do. Some people have got a very easygoing,

489
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,720
white bread sex life. Because I saw a thing before

490
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,400
I saw a movie, Thank goodness, I didn't see more

491
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,599
of it, but it was on my Twitter algorithm. It's

492
00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:52,119
something like screen ran or someone's like this scene is

493
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,519
considered way more erotic or way more crazy than the

494
00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:59,279
saltburn scene and the bathtub scene. And it's like, I'm sorry,

495
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:03,000
this guy slurp and come out of the bathtub drain

496
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,960
got nothing on like the scene and Worthern Heights gets

497
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,480
nothing on that scene. The scene WHETHERN Heights is like, OK,

498
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:15,920
I hate you guys. Like I feel like I've been

499
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,000
in this situation several times and I don't think this

500
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,599
is when I've ever don this like, oh, I'm doing

501
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,240
We all do things right, let's break the footfall. We

502
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:25,480
all have our you know, our for play or build

503
00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:27,319
up our sex, and we all those things right now,

504
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,680
we're being a little extra dirty right the act that

505
00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,880
happens around this rock situation. I was like, I've never

506
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,799
thought like, oh, I'm being a dirty guy here. It's

507
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:36,759
like no, I just felt this kind of just regular.

508
00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:39,759
I mean, it's not though, right, There's tons of man

509
00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:41,839
and women out there for stuff that this isn't the thing,

510
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,480
but like for oral sex. I one of my very

511
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,480
good friends that we have talked a long time, but

512
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:48,359
I worked with her ten years ago and we were

513
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:51,079
I don't want to give out two more details. Uh,

514
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,440
she just didn't do oral sex, didn't didn't like you

515
00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:56,480
or not. I could have never dated that person, been

516
00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:58,440
the person does that. Luckily, me and my partner are

517
00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:00,000
on the same way, like there if that's something we're

518
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:04,880
it's like, okay. I appreciate or enjoy the more sexual

519
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,559
charge movies because as studies shown, they do a lot

520
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,519
less than now more it's more on TV because people

521
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:12,400
don't want to see those in theaters. The younger generation

522
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:13,920
doesn't like that. I also think it has a lot

523
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,799
to do a porn because people can access this stuff a

524
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,480
lot easier. And I feel like in movie six scenes

525
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:19,720
it was like, oh, we got to see this right now,

526
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,519
it's a clip aboon the way. But I think that

527
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,279
there is one moment in the third act, right, oh,

528
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,559
you know what. I like this stuff, but just it

529
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,680
just doesn't. It didn't work here for me like it

530
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,759
usually does, even the outland of stuff, like even what

531
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:34,839
Barry does in that grave, you know, like this this

532
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,279
kind of works with the Headspace's character is in. It

533
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,680
still does work, I guess when I get there, it

534
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,000
just feels like it's a little unnecessary. And that's where

535
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,319
I feel like it takes away for some of the

536
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,920
stuff and takes away from the final kind of crescendo

537
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,640
of this film. So I'm gonna take an ad break

538
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,079
now if people, like I said, I kind of gave

539
00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:52,440
those things, if you're kind of in the middle of

540
00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:54,839
mmal Ventil, give it a chance, because I think visually

541
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,720
it is it's worth seeing. So I'll take an ad

542
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,759
break and then I'll be right back and we are back,

543
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:05,200
so that very thing I was going to mention, so

544
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,319
I'll kind of be all over. But I don't have

545
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:08,720
to talk too much about the beginning of this film

546
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,119
because I think all that was done relatively well. The meeting.

547
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,079
They have a Very, and this is what I thought

548
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,519
could be fine. They have a Very, which is interesting

549
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,240
brother and sister type of relationship. They are not born together.

550
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,359
The dat adopts Heathcliff. She names a Heathcliff, and they

551
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,039
kind of have the situation that turns into like sexual

552
00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:32,079
chemistry but versus very brother and sistory, which is like

553
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,720
all right, which we see all the time and Game

554
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,000
of Thrones and that type of stuff, right, but it's

555
00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:36,920
very like making fun of each other. But at the

556
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,440
same time that's a natural trope of especially young kids

557
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,720
and young people. Right, like you like somebody, so you'd

558
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,279
be mean to them, right, And they have that to

559
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,480
the m degree to their adults. Right. There's one scene

560
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,079
where Marcot Robbi's literally like talking about how much she

561
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,119
loves her husband. Her husband's a better lover and more

562
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,400
sultry and more dirty. And that's again Jacob Lordy going

563
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,519
And that's where they do it on the table. That's

564
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:58,759
the scene where it changes. So I think multiple scenes.

565
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:00,680
I guess I should set up for even that does

566
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,640
not see the film wants to spoilers. You know, they

567
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,200
they're kids, uh, you know, growing relationship, get to we'll

568
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,400
get to the Nelly character. My least favorite thing of

569
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,839
this movie. Nothing to do with the actress, purely the writing.

570
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:16,640
So we'll leave her last. Well, excuse me, we'll leave

571
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:25,960
her last. They're kids, awesome groups kids. Uh. They eventually

572
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,279
there's a rich family or whatnot that moves down the way.

573
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:31,000
Margot wants to impress them. They kind of have the

574
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:32,880
idea they revealed the end of the film, which I thought

575
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,079
was a very touching scene. There's a scene where they're

576
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,359
late because there's a storm. It's the dad's birthday. He

577
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,200
starts off Semay nights, but you learn he has a

578
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,400
gambling problem and a drinking problem, so he gets worse

579
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,960
as things go along. They're late. He flip takes the

580
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,759
brunt of that and says, oh, I'm the reason we're late.

581
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:50,400
He whips the ship them right. She goes. Kathy goes

582
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,240
to confront him or console him in the bed, and

583
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:54,680
she asked what he needs, just like lay with me

584
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,799
in this bed. He's scarred, covering blood, she's asleep, quotation marks,

585
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:01,880
and he says, oh, I'm always gonna love you, and

586
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,799
then he turns over, goes to sleep, and that's where

587
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,000
the scene cuts. When we first see it, or I

588
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,799
don't think we even see that. Maybe we do. We

589
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,640
just see the bad thing, right, I couldn't. But either way,

590
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,079
when we get to the end, they replay the scene

591
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:12,720
where he says that, and then they show Cappy and

592
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,160
she smiles. He's heard that. So they both kind of

593
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,400
have this, will they won't they? And that's a very

594
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:19,920
I think the montage is great. I think that ending

595
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,759
scene is fantastic. I think the feelings towards the montage

596
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,000
are leave me a little conflicted because again, I'm not

597
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:28,200
actively really rooting for these two, which is is fine,

598
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,440
but like, I think the type of montage they gave

599
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:34,559
it was like a Titanic like about time type of montage.

600
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,319
And I guess you could say, oh, well, bad people

601
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:38,599
desert like would think that way too, I guess, but

602
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:41,720
I think it there's just some changes that some changes

603
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:43,880
or just did work for me in what they're trying

604
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,279
to go for there. Right on the first watch Jesus

605
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:53,960
Water again, it's fucking ghost in here. She eventually accepts

606
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,759
to marry this guy. Of course hef cliff Is, you know.

607
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,640
Then there's some other stuff too, the most raunchy scene

608
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,720
which Mitchell I want. I hope soon that in a

609
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,920
and a bigger role that she uses him because he's

610
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,519
the guy that's in house to Dragon. I he was

611
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:13,359
great in Saltburn in his little role. He's great here

612
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:15,599
in a little role. I hope he gets like a

613
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:20,079
a bigger role, going for like a big supporting role,

614
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:23,400
almost like what Alison Oliver's had both those movies. I

615
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,960
very much like that. He is very talented playing a

616
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,000
completely different character, like a mostly normal guy, but they

617
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,519
see something where he has a relationship with one of

618
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:35,839
the other workers there at the wathering heights, and there

619
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,000
he's bringing out whips like which one you want to

620
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:39,720
mean to fuck you with? And then she brings up

621
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,440
the horse like whatever that things are put in your mouth.

622
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:43,839
So they have this scene where he focks her from behind.

623
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,160
You don't get to see much of it, That's what

624
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,759
I mean, And I will say, I guess I should

625
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,079
have said a nonspoils. I think this scene now I

626
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,559
agreed with we talked about in the discord, right, because

627
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,880
we joked about, like I say, this is the Taylor

628
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,200
Masson movie, right, and I'd always joking like short saltburn.

629
00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:59,759
I agreed with others and Mike, who premier, was saying

630
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:03,000
that he felt be more romantic. I agreed with that too,

631
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:05,319
But I still thought when we got the sex scenes,

632
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:08,519
those would be a bit more salt Bernie, they'd be

633
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:10,640
a bit more out there were, Like even all the

634
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,920
sex scenes with a LORDI and Margo, they're just like

635
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,880
fully dressed. Sometimes I need to see them naked. I've said,

636
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,920
we've seen them both naked. I'm not saying, oh my god,

637
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,240
like that's Marty Row's big debut, right, But it's just

638
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,880
like it felt very tame in that stuff. Like even

639
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,400
when he's like going down on it and he's like

640
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,160
under her dress, it's like I can't see anything that's

641
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,279
going on there. So it's like it just was I

642
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:32,799
think missing some of that stuff, you know, like even

643
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,039
the scene which is a weird scene, but like I

644
00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:38,079
can't remember the character's name, but I can't even Oh, go,

645
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,400
what is I can't even remember his actual name. I

646
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,000
think of Barry Kyogan's. And Ollie has that sex scene

647
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,119
with the other guy. That's a scene that you don't

648
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:51,000
even see much, but like the tension and everything there

649
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:54,839
that feels much more like this is uncomfortable in a

650
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:56,759
good way, that this is something you shouldn't be seen. Right.

651
00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,039
The horror scene kind of felt like that a little bit.

652
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,839
The rest of me, it's like, okay, nothing to there.

653
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,680
So that's where I will give Mike the credit where

654
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:05,759
you know, and they did some stuff of her, you know,

655
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:07,519
we saw on the trays touching the fish, lots of

656
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,160
erotica zooms out, and that's where I thought we were

657
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,839
going too, because the opening on this movie starts with

658
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,480
a hanging, but it's a guy breathing over credits and

659
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:17,480
sounds like he's about to have an orgasm, So like, oh,

660
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,880
we're really going this. So I get that as far

661
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,359
as it's this idea of temptation and all this stuff.

662
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,799
But I just thought when we gave in the temptation,

663
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,119
we were gonna go a little harder on that. Which

664
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:29,079
is fine, that's okay. That's not like a big that's

665
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,599
not even a knock. I'm just was surprised about that, right,

666
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,519
And I could say a little disappointed, but that wouldn't

667
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,039
be like a score off. So, and this is the

668
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,039
scene I was talking about. She accepts the proposal. I'm

669
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,680
getting something's mixed up or whatever. She accepts the proposal

670
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,839
of the rich guy Linton, and she's she's seen this

671
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,599
what the scene was while these two workers were having sex.

672
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,720
Margot heard this from her room. She goes to watch

673
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:52,720
and this was a good scene too. Margot watches from

674
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,960
like the roof. She goes to make a noise of

675
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,039
gas because she sees this horse contraption go around in

676
00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,799
Lay's face. A Laurie's behind her, he's laying on her.

677
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,319
He covers her mouth, covers her eyes to like protect her,

678
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,799
like innocence and you know, they didn't see a way.

679
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,160
He's kind of getting hard. She's torn it through the

680
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,799
next twenty four hours, she decides, oh, I gotta go

681
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,000
rub one out. So she goes to the where the

682
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,279
rocks are. She goes she starts a mass bait on

683
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,160
this rock. And that's why I guess this is a

684
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,039
scene where after they're flirting and he like there their

685
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:19,920
fight or they're fighting, and he's like push each other

686
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,440
and whatnot, because he's kind of making jest of seeing

687
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,640
her do this to herself. And then he she goes

688
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,400
to slap and he takes her hand and he like

689
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:30,680
puts it in her mouth. Again. I guess I'm revealing

690
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,759
my cards. I just thought when a feel time like

691
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:36,279
that means it's the rock scene. I was like, okay,

692
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,920
I got maybe some people have maybe maybe some people

693
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:41,960
I would say, some things would consider Oh Travis like

694
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,880
that that that's cross the line. That's something a little

695
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,920
bit different. I uh just uh, you know, I don't

696
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,960
know usual regular occurrence in the household. So I I

697
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,759
when I heard that was the scene, it's like, okay,

698
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:56,160
I again expecting more out of the rock scene. Still

699
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,400
like a good scene overall. But then uh, whatever, they

700
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,240
marry and they do what we said where she goes

701
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:04,119
lives her life where she's all rich, but she's oh,

702
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:05,960
I guess I didn't mention too. We'll get into the

703
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,359
Nelly character. Margot Robbie's torn. She's telling this Nelly character,

704
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,240
who is pretty much her handmade, what she's gonna do

705
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:14,480
because she wants to marry Lydden. But she's in love

706
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,519
with a heath Cliff and she gets her to a

707
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,559
mit wall. She knows the lord he's listening that okay,

708
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,319
you know, if I were to marry him, it would

709
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:23,880
be a step down, right, It would be kind embarrassing

710
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,920
because he's just like, he's dirty, he's poor, all this stuff.

711
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,240
He doesn't look well all the stuff or even though

712
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,480
Jacob LORDI is still looking hot, but so he hears

713
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,079
says he fucks off. We get years later, just the

714
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:37,839
mom tells if she's mad, I'm not getting all the

715
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,880
nooks and cranny. This will probably talk. Let's again with U.

716
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:44,119
I saw Kirkland Salt maybe Golden Geeks. She spends her

717
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,440
winter time with his family that she's married into. She's

718
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,599
having a good time, but she's still missing Heathcliff. The

719
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,720
money and all the good stuff, isn't there. I love

720
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,279
she gets this room. That's the color of her face,

721
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:57,039
because her husband says, the most beautiful face, her beautiful

722
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,599
color in the world. Even her freckle is on the wall.

723
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,240
It's great. It feels like skin. The husband is not

724
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,119
made to be. He's kind of aloof and kind of

725
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:06,160
feels like maybe he wont a trophy wife. But they

726
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,440
never went as far as he's like, to me, he's

727
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,639
probably the best human in here, even though like he's

728
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,920
not great, but like he doesn't abuse her. At one

729
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,559
point I thought he was gonna assault her. He doesn't

730
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,840
do that. He could be more at tentative to his wife,

731
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,639
for sure, But she also was like, never gonna love

732
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,039
him right, Like, I don't think there was they ever

733
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:26,400
had a shot really, especially once Heathcliffe came back. So

734
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,360
and Kathy's a very selfish character that way. Heathcliff comes back,

735
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:34,480
she invites him into the family. As far as all

736
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,000
he doesn't have a place to stay. He reveals he

737
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:39,000
bought buys worlding heights. All this stuff goes down, and

738
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,199
then of course they eventually start to get it on right.

739
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,320
All the it's the classic tropes you've seen before. Husband

740
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,880
thinks something's off but doesn't fully get it. Will they

741
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,119
won't they They start getting it on and stuff. As

742
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,880
things go on, they keep making these appointments to sneak

743
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,280
away and have sex right and then. But what we

744
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,639
didn't reveal is one hundred percent that she is pregnant.

745
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,519
But with Litton's babies, there's no controvers there. She was

746
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:04,519
pregnant before Heathcliffe got back. That's the controversy, Like, are

747
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,920
you gonna tell him that you're pregnant right eventually? Because

748
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,480
you're getting on having this affair. She decides she's gonna

749
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,599
At one point, we'll get there. Nellie. They do this

750
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:20,719
thing where Nellie saw Heathcliff coming and made Cathy say

751
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,559
bad things about him so he would hear it. Right.

752
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,760
The Nelly character to me is a mess, and that's

753
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,320
what need more explaining. And their relationship is a mess.

754
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,039
Uh So Nelly Margo fires, Nellie tells go get another job.

755
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,360
She goes to the husband just pretty much feels what's

756
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,280
going on, so he says no more. Heathcliff done cut

757
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,639
him off. He doesn't say about the affair, but they

758
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,360
kind of insinuate. They both kind of know right while

759
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,719
she's saying her go bye, Heathcliff in the night, he

760
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,840
can't see her. I guess, I don't know. It's a

761
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,800
fucking weird scene. He says, get out here, and she's like, oh,

762
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,239
I like the call, well, my future son, you know

763
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,719
we will be damaging to him. Heath finds that out.

764
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,760
So yeah, the scene where he sticks around in the bushes,

765
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:02,760
he's waiting to make his movies, sticking around. He breaks

766
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,320
in the middle of night. They have sex one more time.

767
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,440
That's scene I talked about where she's saying he's such

768
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,000
a good lover. I love my husband more than you,

769
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,480
and then which they've insinuate a few times, and that's

770
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:13,159
where I thought we were getting a change where I

771
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:16,039
heard Heathcliff was a cagey character up unto this point.

772
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:20,559
Other than being like kind of you know, making some

773
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:24,880
shot like they're like at each other's throats, Heathcliff wasn't

774
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,880
overtly a bad character yet, so I thought, oh, is

775
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,679
that what they're doing. They're switching Kathy's kind of the

776
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:33,039
more asshole character. Heathcliff is maybe not that Because I thought, oh,

777
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:35,559
we'll learn that his money's from crime. Whatnot? We never

778
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:38,679
learned that in this movie. Okay, so up to this

779
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,320
point at least an hour, at least two acts ies

780
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:44,760
for sure, two acts, so it's over an hour. I

781
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,239
would say, he like, maybe like a bad boy, but

782
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,000
not done anything bad. Right. So then they make this shift,

783
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:53,599
and I thought this was where we're going. We're okay,

784
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,559
they're gonna flip it where she started as making the

785
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,719
more bad one, you know, more very selfish, mean towards

786
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,960
other characters. Which it's weird because she's constantly mean towards Nelly.

787
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:05,000
But she goes back to visit her father. She's nice

788
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,360
to him, she's nice to the stage hand there, like,

789
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:11,280
I don't know, it's it's a kind of it all

790
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,519
over with her character. They have sex, the organza happens

791
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:18,320
and he says like, I would kill him if you

792
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,599
want me to. And I was wondering, Oh, they gonna

793
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,000
fully go back together or is this the turn? And

794
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:24,880
I thought this was the turn because she said, oh,

795
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:26,880
years ago, I said, being with you, you know, I

796
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,360
would degrade myself. But now I realized that I'm the

797
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,719
one degrading myself. Like she's done her own self, right,

798
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,159
So I thought, okay, and what tracks follows here? They like,

799
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:38,599
I said, Alison Oliver plays this character. Let me get

800
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:41,159
her name there, She's like, uh, I can't remember her

801
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:44,360
position proficional time, but Isabella, she's just like a worker

802
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,760
for the husband Lytton right, Edgar is his name, but

803
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,920
she's just like a worker, like his assistant. It's established

804
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,760
early on that she has a crush on Jacob Elordi

805
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:58,159
in a terrible scene where fucking Margaret pulls her hair

806
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,280
and like cause she insinuates one time that Kathy's jealous

807
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,320
and she pulls her hair and like, I'm not jealous.

808
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,039
You have your way with him? Yet all this stuff, like,

809
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:08,280
she's a terrible character. As far as a person, I

810
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,760
think the character is well written. I think the character's

811
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,000
well written enough up until again, the third act. So Margot,

812
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,239
when she hears that there's no joke that he will

813
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,119
kill Edgar if she wants him to, she kind of

814
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,159
has this realization that, man, this is not good for

815
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:25,920
any of us. We gotta stop. So I thought, Okay,

816
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,840
we're gonna see Heathcliff go to be ultra bad and

817
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,119
then she's gonna have her change of heart and the

818
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:34,320
sense of she's gone too far right, we don't really

819
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,599
get either. She says I can't be with you Heathcliff,

820
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,960
but then spends the last third act missing him, wanting

821
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:46,960
him back, and dying because she has sepsis. She won't

822
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,559
eat all this stuff. Newly, who is her assistant, doesn't

823
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:51,639
really report because she's mad out too. It's this whole

824
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:53,880
conflute thing, but it doesn't make sense where it's just

825
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,719
like she kind of pushes him away but then wants

826
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,280
him right away. Now, I guess that attracts a little

827
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,760
with what happened before, with saying, oh, I don't love

828
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,119
you and then realizing the state and she that's so

829
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,639
I forrid. I mentioned before Heathcliffe left she was gonna

830
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:09,199
tell him that she, you know, actually like she had

831
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,880
changed her mind overnight and that she did want to

832
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,679
be with him. This is a bit different as far

833
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:14,679
as the murder side. I felt this character had a

834
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,400
full epiphany of how bad things have gone, or could

835
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,199
get that she cannot be with him anymore, But it

836
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,280
didn't feel that way. In her dying moments, she wants Heathcliff,

837
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,239
which I guess I kind of get, but Still, then

838
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,159
what was the point of her really pushing them away,

839
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,000
you know at this point just run away with this

840
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,800
fucking guy. Like it didn't track for that turn of

841
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,719
not wanting to be with them that seahim, it feels

842
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,400
very manufactured, like they can't see each other because the

843
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,559
whole tragedy is they're trying. She misses him, he's trying

844
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:43,440
to communicate with her. His letters are being thrown up

845
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,360
on nally. So the ideas they both miss each other,

846
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,960
they don't know that the other knows that, and she dies,

847
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:50,639
they don't get to reunite till heath Cliff finds her

848
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:56,000
dead body. Right, So that's the thing where they do

849
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:58,079
all this that to me doesn't track as far as

850
00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:59,400
I thought it was gonna be. One with Flipping and

851
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,159
then with heath Cliff. He goes to Isabella, he marries her,

852
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,239
and I appreciate this, he says, all this stuff like

853
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,760
I'm gonna use you as just a way to get

854
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,639
back at her. We're gonna use a way to get

855
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:10,599
her love back, like you're pretty much just gonna be

856
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,880
my assistant. By marriage, they go get married. Heaven says, oh,

857
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,800
you can kiss the bride. He didn't kiss. He turns away,

858
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,320
and they're doing him being shitty, making her write all

859
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,199
these letters Nelly a point. One point comes back to

860
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,119
see that Isabella's on the chain on the ground with

861
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:26,320
a chain around, acting like a dog in like a

862
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,159
very dominant sexual manner. But then later on he walks by,

863
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:31,880
he shows the chain. He's, oh, so she could leave

864
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,199
it any moment. They like, I feel like, are trying

865
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,679
to make him very evil. So for the point of

866
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:38,159
like when it half, I was like, Okay, yeah, you

867
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:40,400
definitely can't with this guy. You let the fox into

868
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,079
the hand and hand right, you fell in love with

869
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:44,360
the guy that clearly either was always this way or

870
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,800
after you he left because he was heart broke and

871
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,960
became a worse person. But no, like like I said,

872
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,719
he even does that chain reveal where Okay, it's not

873
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,960
that bad. She is there by her free will. And

874
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,920
then at the end he gets like this hero's journey

875
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,079
where he's like riding the horse trying to get to her.

876
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,920
Even ed when he shows up, she's already like you

877
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,639
can't see her now. Don't get me wrong, I'm a

878
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,800
fucking mark for that type of stuff. I love an

879
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,119
X two when Jean Rey dies and you have Wolverine

880
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,199
cyclops who fucking hate each other are hugging each other

881
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,159
because they lost the woman they love. I like that

882
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:18,800
what they're doing with Heathcliff and Edgar, it just doesn't

883
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,400
work in the way that for me, Heathcliff is being

884
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,079
made out to be this bad guy really for what,

885
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,880
for no reason, because she's already like at one point,

886
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,480
like now, he's already throwing these letters away. I would

887
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,400
understand if she went up there and saw what he

888
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,280
was doing, but even then, he's not even doing this.

889
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:39,239
Isabella is by free will there. He's like she's free

890
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,599
will playing a dog, a sexual dog, right, It's like

891
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,199
if he has her chained up, that plays more into it.

892
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,119
So for the thing is all a lot of these

893
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,480
choices for me and the third I don't really make sense,

894
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,400
or if they could have made sense, they needed more time.

895
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:55,480
It feels like everything is good and up until that

896
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,440
moment sex exist. You want me to kill her? It

897
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,840
is rush, rush, rush, it's go, go go. It feels

898
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:02,920
very fast, but not in a good way. It feels

899
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,440
too much is going on, not enough is flushed out.

900
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,760
I definitely could have used a bit more time there.

901
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,639
So it's a combination of issues as far as it's

902
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:13,400
still again beautiful stuff going on acting as well. The

903
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,960
scene at the end of the montage is nice. That

904
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,280
scene the end is great. Jacob Lorid find the body

905
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,559
is fantastic. He's delivered an all star performance there. I

906
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,559
don't have like big issues there. It's just stuff that

907
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,960
kept it from I think really flying. It. Definitely some holebacks.

908
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,519
It just feels like if you were you know, we

909
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:31,559
watched the Olympics and the long jump and they talk

910
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:33,039
about every little thing you need to get that perfect

911
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:34,960
jump and hit the green line. Feels like on the

912
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,159
takeoff of the third act there was some turbulence along

913
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:40,239
the way. And then the last one I'll bring him

914
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,519
on spoilers was again with the character stuff. This Nelly character,

915
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,880
she is as a kid, friends but also working for

916
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,000
the family. They do a time jump, which I also

917
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,800
wanted more scenes of Margo and Nelly after the time jump.

918
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,880
Felt like we didn't get much, but the idea is

919
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:58,679
they were friends. Heath showed up and they kind of

920
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,679
subserved that relationship and Heathcliff and Kathy are close. Were

921
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,639
Kathy and Nelly No longer, and she's a character I

922
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,559
tell about nonsployers where while this is going on, saying hey,

923
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:11,079
can you advise me on life? Like what should I do?

924
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:13,480
I got this proposal she Kathy tells her like you've

925
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:15,960
never been loved, you're pathetic, You're on paraphrase about all

926
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,280
this type of stuff. So again it's like why should

927
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,360
I care for this character? Right? So they kind of

928
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,440
showed at this point where even then I talked about

929
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,719
Heathlif's there. She makes Kathy say these bad things but

930
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,639
Heathcliff bet are true, but someone not true. So you

931
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,000
kind of get the sense of, okay, because you were

932
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,199
abandoned as a kid by your friend here and all

933
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,280
these other choices, you want to say, fuck this person, right,

934
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,280
And I'd kind of be okay at that if it

935
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,519
was Kathy and Heathcliffe as like pretty much bad people

936
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:43,360
remills the story you have. Nelly is like the person

937
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,440
in the background that kind of got the win here,

938
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,480
like a reverse Barry Keegan in Saltburn. But the problem

939
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,480
is she is always back and forth on how she

940
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,840
feels about some of these characters, and same with fucking Kathy.

941
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,079
At one point, Heathfliff says, oh, I thought you said

942
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,400
those things about me back in the day, because I

943
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,400
thought you knew there, and she I knew I was there,

944
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,159
and I should have set up. While Kathy and nell

945
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,880
are talking, he clots behind a door listening, Uh Nellie

946
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,760
saw that, and he goes, oh, well, Nellie saw me

947
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,519
walking up there, so I thought you knew. Margot didn't

948
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:15,679
know that. That's when she says, you can leave, like

949
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,280
you were a part of the worst decision of my life,

950
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,599
the worst thing that's happened to me, Nellie, you created.

951
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,280
And then she is burning her letters, which Margot kind

952
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,480
of has an idea, not one hundredcent confron of from

953
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,559
Heathcliff that that's going on. All this stuff. She's also

954
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:32,719
telling the husband not to see her. She was doing

955
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,440
all these terrible things to all these people, and that's

956
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,320
somewhat funny because some of them are treat her shit,

957
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,119
like Kathy. Right. So when the big moment happens that

958
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,320
she told her that, oh, she lost the baby, she

959
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,800
didn't believe her because she kind of thought it was

960
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,159
just a falsehood. She was lying. She didn't tell Edgar.

961
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,880
Edgar finds her bleeding. Now that's when she finally tell

962
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,920
He finally tells Nellie that you get the fuck out

963
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,119
of here. You screwed us up. She's dying, she's got

964
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:59,079
sept It's like terrible Handmaiden, right. So as Nellie gives

965
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:03,119
us news, the cat who since she's heard this information,

966
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:06,400
hates the Nelly character. And to me, other than the

967
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,280
stuff that shows a kid, we did not see enough

968
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,599
of them being so close that it's like we've all

969
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:13,639
had that where we've been mad, friends, felt disrespected, lost

970
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:15,559
some trust. But the hope is maybe you can still

971
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,039
love them even if you're not friends with them, you

972
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:20,199
could still find a way to love them, right, And

973
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,480
I guess that's the point. But you never get that

974
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,159
sense from Kathy at all. Of one, we didn't get

975
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:27,559
to see them being very close again since they were kids,

976
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,199
like even just like somewhat friendly, you know, it feels

977
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,920
very servant esque relationship. You get that. And then the

978
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,239
other thing is she's so mad at her because yeah,

979
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,039
she told she made her say that stuff about Heathcliff.

980
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:44,639
He heard that ruined that chance that relationship things could

981
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,639
have changed, right, which you know, Ka and Nellie's still like, well,

982
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,719
you made these choices, which I agree like all the

983
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,519
things Nelly says, I agree with as far as like

984
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:54,320
you made these choices, like even Heathluss, like I didn't

985
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,599
break your heart, you broke your own heart. Like the

986
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:59,280
Kathy character really has no leg to stand on here,

987
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,480
so she's leaving. As I said, there's been multiple things

988
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,320
that happened throughout the movie that Kathy hates Nelly. Now

989
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,199
they think, well, you got your wish, I'm out of here.

990
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:10,599
And because you know, and she's dying, which are granted,

991
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,159
you're Kathy's dying. He's like she wants her there. But

992
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,880
like they portrayed his way like you've always been my friend, Nelly,

993
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:19,000
Please don't need to don't leave, I need you here.

994
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:27,119
What what just doesn't feel warranted. It feels like you've

995
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,599
hated this character, you've waited for this moment. And then

996
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:32,599
they're hugging, and then of course Nellie says, oh, you

997
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:34,760
know all this stuff I sort of did. I thought

998
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,719
I wasn't doing it on purpose, but now the scariest

999
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,960
thing is I realized I might have. So it's like, Okay,

1000
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,480
you don't get the satisfaction of fucking over this bad person.

1001
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,480
Because they're back and forth that they're bad or not.

1002
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
The motivations are back and forth with they're bad or not.

1003
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:51,599
Now he's back and forth as she hates her or not.

1004
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,199
So like that whole thing there, I think I would

1005
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,840
have just rather nowly been like yeah and fuck you

1006
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,920
and walk out, you know, like that would have been

1007
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,079
much better for me this both of them being very

1008
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:04,760
wishy washing in the relationship. Now, granted, don't get me wrong,

1009
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,679
that does happen in life, and that can happen in

1010
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,039
movies and be well, I just don't think we saw

1011
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,199
enough of the Nelly Kathy dynamic. It feels like Nelly

1012
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,679
would be around so but she would take a break

1013
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,639
for twenty minutes and then come back in the story,

1014
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,679
take another break, come back in the story. So for me,

1015
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,199
that needed more development for that result to hit that resolution,

1016
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,760
and it didn't. And that's where I think a lot

1017
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,400
of the third act the resolution doesn't hit where they're

1018
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,440
trying to make you feel like this big love story,

1019
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,400
but you kind of dislike them so you don't want

1020
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,719
to be there for the montage. They kind of make

1021
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,320
you want to feel like they've been bad people, but

1022
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,320
then they kind of walk it back. You kind of want.

1023
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,119
They make you feel that Kathy hate Snelli and all

1024
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:45,159
this stuff, but they also walk it back. That's on

1025
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,639
an on story purpose, but you don't feel that they

1026
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:50,800
want that resolution like oh my childhood friend. But no,

1027
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,719
like that's not warranted and most and Nollie's not warranted.

1028
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,239
Edgar's just having a terrible time, you know, the all

1029
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,159
Alice and all Bella just I don't know, eventually gets

1030
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:04,320
pulled out of there screaming. And again, I thought that

1031
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,679
was gonna be longer. I thought the marriage and the

1032
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:10,000
note writing, all that stuff, those dynamics were gonna be longer.

1033
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:12,880
It just feels like, and I don't know if this

1034
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,559
was the case, I feel like they'd give her found cut,

1035
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,559
but it just feels like they hit two twenty and

1036
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,679
they're like hey, or they hit like two thirty five

1037
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,840
and they Okay, you can do all this stuff, but

1038
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,480
it's gotta be two twenty. And that's where it just

1039
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:28,199
felt like the third act like cut cut, cut, cut cut,

1040
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:29,280
And if it didn't, it justel like that was the

1041
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,119
least fleshed out then the the least well written. So

1042
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,599
uh yeah, that's my thoughts. I need to watch it.

1043
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:37,119
I'm somewhere between the eight and nine somewhere where I am,

1044
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:40,360
but still overall liked it. Like I said, I the

1045
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,760
it sounds like I'm more negative. That's where I just

1046
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,719
feel like all the rest of stuff leads up. As

1047
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,119
far as I think they do everything well for act

1048
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:50,360
one in act too, I really have no notes there,

1049
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,599
even as far as them being bad people or whatnot,

1050
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:55,639
or the choices there. It has a crescendo in the

1051
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:57,079
third act, and that's where I think the third act

1052
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,880
just kind of stumbles. So did very very much enjoy it.

1053
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,199
I might. It couldn't even be my gold Gee's pick.

1054
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,639
We'll see, but I'm hoping not because I usually like

1055
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:07,039
to put those on movies that are tenant, and so

1056
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,960
I hope. If not, it's a bad year and I

1057
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,599
think Tayan Kirklan are already seeing it. But yeah, it'll

1058
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:14,920
definitely be if it's If I don't have a pick,

1059
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,159
that's that's the other thing. If I don't have a

1060
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:18,280
ten ten pick that's no one's seen and it's not

1061
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,519
a bunch of categories, then definitely, because I would have

1062
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:24,559
it for acting multiple categories. I don't know a'ssie right now.

1063
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:26,559
It's my second favorite movie of the year. I don't

1064
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:29,400
know if it'll be that way within the year. You

1065
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,239
never know. But yeah, so that's my thoughts on Worthering

1066
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,119
Heights had a great time. It had some issues along

1067
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:41,199
the way. I wish I completely loved it, but I

1068
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,880
still loved a lot of it. Nonetheless, really enjoyed it.

1069
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,440
Definitely not on the same level assault far as Saltburn

1070
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,960
and Processing a Woman, as far as I hold those

1071
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,280
to such high esteem, This to me is a great

1072
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,840
effort with a kind of meandering ending ending. And I

1073
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,880
shouldn't say effort, right, it's just great exec It is

1074
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,639
a nine eighty five percent for me execution. I guess

1075
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:04,960
I have to see the third act run time, so

1076
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,159
I'll say seventy five percent of great execution and just

1077
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,760
the follow up, the finish, that's where it hits the

1078
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,960
goosegg there. But yeah, that's my thoughts. Let me know

1079
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:15,599
in the discord, Patreon, YouTube anything, I you know. I'm

1080
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:17,400
sure people want to. I want to hear, Mike, I'm

1081
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,920
sure you might hit me up. I want to hear

1082
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,880
your guys' theories, your thoughts about some of my takes here.

1083
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,400
And that's why things can change all the time. Like

1084
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,760
I recently, just this weekend, I rewatched Spider Man three.

1085
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,280
I bumped that up a point five for just certain things.

1086
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,360
It's been years and I finally did, and I bumped

1087
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,360
Spider Man Amazing Spider Man down point five because I

1088
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,039
just looked at things differently, and that's where films can

1089
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:41,000
always evolve, right, And I want to have that. I think,

1090
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:43,360
no matter what, though some of the dynamics people can

1091
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,320
point out some maybe and also I don't want to

1092
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,119
watch them scenes again. People some point out some more

1093
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:49,000
point of views or some scenes of oh did you

1094
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,679
didn't take this like this? And that's what I thought.

1095
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:52,719
That's meant that works. I think, no matter what, it

1096
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,440
could never be like a tenor because it's like that.

1097
00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:57,440
The third acts pacing to me is just a bit off.

1098
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,679
So that's my thought on Whirling Heights. I hope the

1099
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:01,440
rest of you have a good week. Lots of casts

1100
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,119
a week. I'll be back Thursday. I should be back,

1101
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,599
even if it's evergreen topic. I'll try to be back

1102
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,079
for live at eleven am PSD and it will not

1103
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,239
be boring

