Speaker 1: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This is David Patrick Carey
Speaker 1: with Church of the Eternal Logos and I am joined
Speaker 1: by author, researcher comedian Jay Dyer. How you doing today, brother?
Speaker 2: What's up? Man? So glad to be back with you.
Speaker 2: And as I was telling you before the show, I
Speaker 2: really appreciate you having me on to discuss this because
Speaker 2: it's one of my favorite topics. Sam Tripley is the
Speaker 2: only other person that's invited me on to talk about it,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love to nerd out about this topic.
Speaker 2: So I really appreciate you having me back.
Speaker 1: Home, horse man. That blows my mind because we were
Speaker 1: planning on doing this sometime the end of last year,
Speaker 1: but you know, life and everything just keeps getting the way.
Speaker 1: And I raped out to you after one of your
Speaker 1: fourth hours and I was like, dude, and you basically
Speaker 1: covered like this topic in brevety brevity. It was like
Speaker 1: I think it was like forty some minutes. And I
Speaker 1: was like, dude, that was fantastic. That was so much
Speaker 1: stuff I had never heard. And You're like, oh, well
Speaker 1: we should do a stream on it. I was like, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you and all your work and coming
Speaker 1: over here and kind of sharing some of your wisdom
Speaker 1: with us. So you know, I'm going to be more
Speaker 1: of a person asking questions and prying into your knowledge
Speaker 1: because I tried to do some preliminary research on this topic,
Speaker 1: and I was wanting to reach out to you. Maybe
Speaker 1: there was a particular paper or something to read, or
Speaker 1: specific books, but I'm just kind of going through the
Speaker 1: Internet and finding blogs and stuff, and some of some
Speaker 1: of what you mentioned was in there, but you had
Speaker 1: a lot more details. How do you where would you
Speaker 1: begin and introducing this topic? I mean, do you do
Speaker 1: you start with like Lawrence of Arabia some of the
Speaker 1: earlier where do you see this topic? It was sort
Speaker 1: of intro into it. Maybe from the outset I could
Speaker 1: recommend what some of the good literature on the topic
Speaker 1: is because there's a lot, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know what that is or where to find it.
Speaker 2: So some of the books are more recent, some of
Speaker 2: them are a few decades old. But my entrance into
Speaker 2: this subject matter was indirect. It was through watching documentaries
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and three. I won't say the
Speaker 2: documentary because it might trigger something, but Jason Burmas did
Speaker 2: a well known documentary back then, and that kind of
Speaker 2: at first hitped me to Middle Eastern stuff, and you know,
Speaker 2: I liked history of England and British Empire stuff, so
Speaker 2: that's maybe my entrance into that subject matter was back then.
Speaker 2: But I would say even throughout the two thousands, I
Speaker 2: really didn't know a whole lot about it. And I'm
Speaker 2: not an expert. I wouldn't say I have like a
Speaker 2: PhD level knowledge of it, but I have a pretty
Speaker 2: good knowledge and I've read a lot of books on it,
Speaker 2: so I think I can speak to it. Probably the
Speaker 2: best introductory book for this subject would be F. William
Speaker 2: Ingdall's book Lost Hedgemon, because he goes into kind of
Speaker 2: the layout of the Middle East and the basics of
Speaker 2: the game plan from the West and from the competitors
Speaker 2: to the West, which were different competitors at different times.
Speaker 2: If you go back to the late eighteen hundreds, it
Speaker 2: was it's called the Great Game, and this is Russia
Speaker 2: versus the Anglo power, right, so it's the UK right,
Speaker 2: what becomes the Atlanticist establishment during the Cold War. Lost
Speaker 2: Hegemon is a great place to start for understanding the background. Then,
Speaker 2: I would say for more specifically kind of what we're
Speaker 2: talking about today. Mark Curtis, who's a Royal Society researcher.
Speaker 2: He wrote a book called Secret Affairs, and it's a
Speaker 2: really good five hundred page book. And I want to
Speaker 2: stress that most of the material that I'm referencing or
Speaker 2: talking about is not conspiracy material. So you'll notice again
Speaker 2: Curtis is a He works for the Royal and Sugar
Speaker 2: National Affairs. Okay, so this is up near the top
Speaker 2: of the pyramid in the West, so it's not anything
Speaker 2: to do with, you know, outlandish theories or whatever. I
Speaker 2: try to stick to the academic literature on this topic.
Speaker 2: There's another really good book that approaches it, not so
Speaker 2: much from the UK angle as that book does, but
Speaker 2: Robert Dreyfuss's book Devil's Game is the next book I
Speaker 2: would recommend, and that book approaches the US's alliance with
Speaker 2: various factions and versions of radical Islam for the last
Speaker 2: sixty seventy years as part of the Great Game, as
Speaker 2: part of the Cold War, and other really important texts too.
Speaker 2: I'll just mention in passing would be probably gals Mounier.
Speaker 2: It's m U N I E. R. Black Gold, spies.
Speaker 2: He's a French researcher and writer, and this is the
Speaker 2: last book I covered on the subject, and it was
Speaker 2: it was also really good, So this might actually be
Speaker 2: a better starting point for people who are into just
Speaker 2: the history of the British Empire's approach to the Middle East.
Speaker 2: And then some years back I interviewed the author's gold
Speaker 2: and Fitzgerald, who wrote the book Invisible Empire, which is
Speaker 2: about the history of the British Empire's approach to Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: So those are some of the starting point texts if
Speaker 2: you people do find this interesting. And then there's kind
Speaker 2: of a magnum opus mega work that's very difficult, and
Speaker 2: it's Stephen Dorrell's massive It's about a thousand page book
Speaker 2: history six and this comes at it from a very
Speaker 2: critical perspective. There's other texts as well, obviously tragedy and hope.
Speaker 2: Obviously Anglo American establishment by people would be important as well.
Speaker 2: And in the Milliner Fabian text by Jowan Ratu has
Speaker 2: multiple chapters that are very relevant to what we're talking
Speaker 2: about today. And this can just keep going on and on.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can get into the history of you know,
Speaker 2: Ian Fleming's life, and although it doesn't relate necessarily to Islam,
Speaker 2: it gives you kind of window into you know, British
Speaker 2: operations and you know their approach to the Great Game,
Speaker 2: which is unique. It's earlier than the US and for
Speaker 2: many people who may not be aware, British intelligence is
Speaker 2: who sets up American intelligence. So you can even go
Speaker 2: back to early as the Inquiry, which is prior to
Speaker 2: the OSS, the first so called intelligence establishment in American
Speaker 2: nineteen forty two under FDR and all that, and then
Speaker 2: we get the nineteen forty seven Security Acts which creates
Speaker 2: the CIA we know of as the CIA. So British
Speaker 2: intelligence is who came over here and set that up
Speaker 2: for us. So it's a pretty wild story, but this
Speaker 2: is how we kind of get America doing what the
Speaker 2: British Empire did, as you pointed out, back to the
Speaker 2: time of T. E. Lawrence. So want a movie introduction
Speaker 2: to this subject matter? Actually, yes, the Peter O'Toole famous
Speaker 2: movie where he plays T. E. Lawrence the bisexual, perhaps
Speaker 2: not even bisexual, perhaps just skittles of the British Empire.
Speaker 2: But what's fascinating And I'll stop yapping after this because
Speaker 2: and there's tons more books and documentaries. But one thing
Speaker 2: that's fascinating is how much of this relates to the
Speaker 2: establishment of the nation State of Israel, and this plays
Speaker 2: into the Balfour Declaration. This plays into the establishment of
Speaker 2: a Jewish state, which I believe it or not, many
Speaker 2: of the pro Arabist British spies were very opposed to,
Speaker 2: and so there was a faction amongst the British elite
Speaker 2: Rothchilds and others who favored the nation state of Israel
Speaker 2: being in the Middle East, and most of the Arabist
Speaker 2: British spies actually were opposed to this, and they said
Speaker 2: it was going to cause all these problems and wars.
Speaker 2: It was a powder k It was you know, unfair
Speaker 2: to the people that were there at the time, and
Speaker 2: even that was unfair to Jews who were being put
Speaker 2: in this sort of maybe less than desirable location for
Speaker 2: geostrategic reasons. So they're kind of like a chess a
Speaker 2: chess piece basically. So it's huge. It ties into oil.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of it hass to do with oil
Speaker 2: and resource war, and that's what a lot of the
Speaker 2: wars are for is resources well.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I always found
Speaker 1: just doing preliminary research, is that, like you said, this
Speaker 1: is not a conspiracy, This is just facts that British
Speaker 1: intelligence has been noted multiple times of encouraging radical Islamic
Speaker 1: groups that are that are explicitly like anti West. And
Speaker 1: when you bring up Israel, you know, the whole narrative
Speaker 1: is that that's like a Western nation in the Middle East.
Speaker 1: And this is one of the reasons why there's such
Speaker 1: a great ally is that they have all this cultural
Speaker 1: sympathies to us and the you know, expansion of the
Speaker 1: same sort of Western project. So why is it, I
Speaker 1: think we already know the sort of false dialectic and
Speaker 1: everything like that, But in regards to oil control, the
Speaker 1: expansion of Israel, how is it that British intelligence when
Speaker 1: did they begin to really see, you know, facilitating these
Speaker 1: hobbyists and these radical Islamic groups as a geopolitical and
Speaker 1: strategic tool to actually gain power and expand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you go back to the period of
Speaker 2: the British Empire when it was beginning to kind of wane,
Speaker 2: you see competitors that they wanted to have every possible
Speaker 2: advantage against. So those competitors were France, Turkey, the Ottomans
Speaker 2: and Russia. So you basically have these powers involved in
Speaker 2: a big game to control this region for multiple reasons.
Speaker 2: Resources are a huge part of it. Hence the title
Speaker 2: of Munye's book, Black Gold Spies. That's the oil which
Speaker 2: once oil discovered, that kind of becomes one of the
Speaker 2: main motivators for the British explorers and archaeologists who are
Speaker 2: the spies. They're not really there to you know, learn
Speaker 2: the cultures because they just let Now, some of the
Speaker 2: people did love the cultures, right, They really did immerse
Speaker 2: themselves in the local traditions and the ethnography of these peoples.
Speaker 2: In fact, some of them may have actually converted to Islam.
Speaker 2: It's hard to know whether they really were converts or
Speaker 2: whether they were just doing it for their espionage cover,
Speaker 2: like Saint John Philby, that's the father to Kim Philby,
Speaker 2: the famous turncoat Soviet spy who was a British operative
Speaker 2: during the Cold War, who, along with the other you know,
Speaker 2: famous Cambridge spy ring went to the Soviet Union. Because
Speaker 2: they've decided that most of them, by the way, were
Speaker 2: also skittlesmen, so they were also compromised, and that was
Speaker 2: part of what the KGB was very effective in doing
Speaker 2: the Cold War was compromising skills operatives. But regardless, way
Speaker 2: earlier than that, you had Philby's father as one key example.
Speaker 2: Beyond probably t Lawrence is probably the most famous, but
Speaker 2: probably the next most famous would be Saint John Philby
Speaker 2: who went and became a He converted to Wahabism, and
Speaker 2: he seems to have been pretty serious about it, even
Speaker 2: if it was spy cover. He did it really well.
Speaker 2: I mean, he'd donned the garb, he went full hobby,
Speaker 2: and this was probably what was necessary for him to
Speaker 2: be able to strike deals with for certain tribes and
Speaker 2: you know, basically helped to set up what we know
Speaker 2: of as the Saudis. So the British Empire went in
Speaker 2: and they wanted to set up their men, put their
Speaker 2: proxies pay off, and have their tribal chieftains right running things.
Speaker 2: And this is what they did, not just with men's
Speaker 2: spies like Lawrence and Saint John Philby, but and there's
Speaker 2: many others, but also with women, which is kind of weird.
Speaker 2: There's a couple famous British Arabist women spies, and that
Speaker 2: might have actually been very useful precisely because they were women,
Speaker 2: because you know, the Arabs and the tribes might not
Speaker 2: have expected, you know, this lettered you know, frail British woman,
Speaker 2: you know, to be a spy. But in the case
Speaker 2: of Gertrude Bell Frey as Stark, these are two a
Speaker 2: pretty famous, wealthy British women who ended up being British
Speaker 2: spies who helped set up in the case of Iraq,
Speaker 2: like basically they just chose, okay, it's going to be
Speaker 2: even south and we create Iraq. Iraq is a created
Speaker 2: country by the British Empire, as is Saudi Arabia. And
Speaker 2: to get back to the main point, I'll stop yapping.
Speaker 2: One of the ideas was to control Mecca, right, So
Speaker 2: the British Empire thought, if we could control Mecca, that'd
Speaker 2: be a huge positive for geopolitics in terms of how
Speaker 2: we managing control Islam. That would be a blow to
Speaker 2: the Ottomans. And so once the Ottomans were falling apart,
Speaker 2: you have this secret deal called Syke's Pico and this
Speaker 2: divides up amongst Russia, France and England the Middle East,
Speaker 2: and this is kind of how we have the Middle
Speaker 2: East that we know today, with many of these countries
Speaker 2: kind of being creations of the British Empire. So you've
Speaker 2: got like Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, these are all former
Speaker 2: British areas. And it's not just the British. Russia and
Speaker 2: France tried the same thing. It's just that, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: the British ended up being the most successful in getting
Speaker 2: a hold of areas in the Middle East. And Napoleon
Speaker 2: tried it, the French tried it, the Csars tried it.
Speaker 2: They just for whatever reason, we're not as successful as
Speaker 2: the British.
Speaker 1: How close do you so? Taking a step back in
Speaker 1: regard to the royal family in Saudi Arabia, one of
Speaker 1: the things that I saw, but I didn't see any
Speaker 1: citations just looking that they believe that the British intelligence
Speaker 1: was instrumental in placing them in power. Absolutely, What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's without question. I mean, it's just pretty much
Speaker 2: that's the history. You know, there's a movie that was
Speaker 2: just made that's not that great, but it was a
Speaker 2: decent movie presentation of what's in the GUIs Mounier book.
Speaker 2: Nicole Kidman actually played a Gertrude Bell in the I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's a Netflix movie or something, but
Speaker 2: it's like something like Woman of the Desert or something
Speaker 2: like that. It was a okay movie. It's a little slow,
Speaker 2: but it's I mean, it's fairly accurate according to what
Speaker 2: they relate about her history and her background. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so basically, Lawrence was kind of the guy for and Philby.
Speaker 2: They were kind of the guys that were doing Wish
Speaker 2: Empires operations in the Saudi Arabian region, and they just
Speaker 2: chose these tribal chieftains that they had the best rapport
Speaker 2: with and the ones that they thought, you know, would
Speaker 2: be the most useful. And I mean, I don't have
Speaker 2: any proof of this, but I mean I don't think
Speaker 2: it's accidental that they sent Lawrence in who was, you know,
Speaker 2: at least bisexual, if not just and so because he
Speaker 2: could have been a very good operative for compromising people.
Speaker 2: And if you think about, you know, in terms of Islam,
Speaker 2: if somebody was compromising that way with Lawrence, I mean,
Speaker 2: that would be the end, right, So that would be
Speaker 2: powerful a compromise. But we'll also have to understand that
Speaker 2: not many people realize that Lawrence was operating at the
Speaker 2: behest of the Milner Fabian socialist circles of Lord Rothchild,
Speaker 2: Lord Milner, Cecil Rhodes, and as handler was a guy
Speaker 2: named David Hogarth who was known as his quote spiritual father.
Speaker 2: He might have been his handler in more ways if
Speaker 2: you catch what I mean, right, I'm being serious. I
Speaker 2: mean this is I know how this stuff works.
Speaker 1: You know, I totally believe the real world here.
Speaker 2: But another thing that people don't know that's worth mentioning
Speaker 2: in regard to the Saudi stuff is that throughout the
Speaker 2: Middle East they had also set up quite a few
Speaker 2: Masonic lodges, and the Masonic lodges were also a means
Speaker 2: by which the British Empire was able to do a
Speaker 2: lot of intelligence work. They got a lot of information
Speaker 2: and intel through the Masonic lodges, so that played a
Speaker 2: role which not many people know about. But Mounier mentions
Speaker 2: that in his chapter on to E. Lawrence, And basically
Speaker 2: they just found that. I think the key here is
Speaker 2: that it's not so much which ideology they liked the best,
Speaker 2: but I think that what happens is the Wahabbi Salafi
Speaker 2: radical verse is a great destabilizing force, right, So it's
Speaker 2: great as a kind of a cult means of controlling people.
Speaker 2: If you can control the tribal chieftains and the you know,
Speaker 2: emoms and all that. Uh, and it's great for destabilization
Speaker 2: when you need to use it. And this explains actually
Speaker 2: what the former head of Massad recently just said in
Speaker 2: a massive interview on Al Jazeera. They asked him why
Speaker 2: has Israel more recently been supportive of al Nustra in
Speaker 2: Syria and the destruction of the previous Baphist you know,
Speaker 2: assad secular type regime, nationalis type regime, And it's because
Speaker 2: it's a destabilizing force. And that's nothing new in regard
Speaker 2: to what the former Massadead was saying. This is just
Speaker 2: the old British strategy that these types, these types of
Speaker 2: Islam are great for destabilization.
Speaker 1: Right, that makes total sense. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that I saw, I was not totally surprised, but I
Speaker 1: thought was, oh, that's pretty interesting. Makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Is I recently did a stream maybe a month or
Speaker 1: two ago on the city of London and it being
Speaker 1: this sort of the second largest financial center in the world,
Speaker 1: and how it has this black market where all this
Speaker 1: money is flows through. So if you have if you
Speaker 1: have dirty money, you want to do business in London.
Speaker 1: And I found that what was it. Salad Ramadan he
Speaker 1: was like one of the head of the Muslim Brotherhood
Speaker 1: that when he was like leaving the Middle East, he
Speaker 1: had refuge in the city of London. And so him
Speaker 1: in a handful of like Muslim Brotherhood radicals. They all
Speaker 1: like once once their gig was up, they just left
Speaker 1: and went back to London. I thought, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: And then you connect you know, the Balfour Declaration, the
Speaker 1: roth Child money and and and then the support for Israel.
Speaker 1: It's like very interesting how all that stuff circulates and
Speaker 1: it takes you always back to London.
Speaker 2: It does, and that's why people have called it Londanistan.
Speaker 2: It's because you have a very old lineage of linking,
Speaker 2: you know, the British elites with Islam. And there's many
Speaker 2: reasons for that. A lot of it's tactical geopolitical, as
Speaker 2: we've talked about in terms of the beginning of the
Speaker 2: Great Game, but it's also because many of the British
Speaker 2: elite structure, because of the imperial because of the expanse
Speaker 2: of the Empire, you have many people who were committed
Speaker 2: I mean they were aerobi files, and so a lot
Speaker 2: of that elite power power structure. For example, Gertrude Bell,
Speaker 2: who came from a very wealthy family, she for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: just fell in love with all of that region. She
Speaker 2: was she was such an odd ball as a woman,
Speaker 2: which is totally out of character. You know, in the
Speaker 2: in the early nineteen hundreds, she goes to Iran and
Speaker 2: learns Farsi and starts translating Rumi's poetry, which is just
Speaker 2: really odd for or that kind of a woman. And
Speaker 2: I think the movie version with Nicole Kimmitt actually portrayed that.
Speaker 2: Even though it wasn't that great of a movie, it
Speaker 2: portrayed that pretty well. So you did have this faction
Speaker 2: in this group that really loved it. And I think
Speaker 2: more recently people will look at, you know, King Charles
Speaker 2: and oh, look he's given money to the Sufi Orders,
Speaker 2: and here he is wearing the Sufi garb, and they'll
Speaker 2: act like he converted to Sufism. I mean maybe, but
Speaker 2: I think from the vantage point of, you know, somebody
Speaker 2: like him, religion is just kind of a tool for
Speaker 2: power if you're the state. You know, most people at
Speaker 2: that level are not perhaps ideologically committed, and so you
Speaker 2: want to use these groups when they're useful. So it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're necessarily committed to Wahabism, it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you necessarily committed to Sufhism, but those elements can be useful.
Speaker 2: I mentioned Muslim Brotherhood real briefly because Muslim brother is
Speaker 2: a great example coming out of Egypt of a group
Speaker 2: that was created with some doobie origins. I think Albana
Speaker 2: is a very suspicious character if you look at Dreyfus's book,
Speaker 2: there's a great chapter on him. But they were a
Speaker 2: broader political activist movement that wanted to expand Sunni Islam
Speaker 2: into politics. And what's interesting about them is that the
Speaker 2: CIA and British British Intelligence CIA made an open alliance
Speaker 2: with the Muslim Brotherhood in the forties and fifties because
Speaker 2: they saw them as a potential hedge against Soviets. So
Speaker 2: just like the British Empire might want to align themselves
Speaker 2: with say Saudi or other types of Muslims against Ottoman
Speaker 2: Turkish dominance. Right, so you're playing one kind of Islam
Speaker 2: against another. Same model goes on in the Cold War
Speaker 2: where there was a period if you read moles Copeland's
Speaker 2: biography where he says they the CIA toyed with pan
Speaker 2: Arabism or Arab nationalism. They actually supported the Bathist at
Speaker 2: one point, and this is why you can find those
Speaker 2: old images of like that Saddam had CIA support when
Speaker 2: he was early on a Bathist and you'll notice there's
Speaker 2: a picture of him shaking hands with Rumsfeld. Right, So
Speaker 2: there's an old CIA linkage between the Bathists and Western intelligence.
Speaker 2: But what happened was when the Cold War kicked off,
Speaker 2: the secular nationalist Arab pan Arabis movements were swinging more
Speaker 2: and more towards the Soviets, and so the CIA saw
Speaker 2: them as less of an ally and becoming more of
Speaker 2: a threat because they might get assistance from the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: So that made the CIA then say, okay, now we're
Speaker 2: going to do this older British strategy. We're going to
Speaker 2: link ourselves up with the more radical factions and sections
Speaker 2: of Islam. Hence the alliance with in this case Mulsom
Speaker 2: Brotherhood in nineteen fifty six. This is called Operations Straggle,
Speaker 2: and this was a joint venture of CIA and m
Speaker 2: I to use a mother Brother Muslim brotherhood to stage
Speaker 2: a coup in Syria. That coup was not successful, but
Speaker 2: this came about because one of these women who were
Speaker 2: British intelligence operatives that we talked about, like Gertrue Brothers,
Speaker 2: there's no one named Freya Stark. And Freya Stark was
Speaker 2: a woman who was sent out to do reconnaissance for
Speaker 2: the British impart throughout the Middle East and she had
Speaker 2: made these contacts with Muslim brotherhood figures, and Miles Copeland
Speaker 2: in Game of Nations says, yeah, we turned to T
Speaker 2: E R R O R because anytime Nasar gave us
Speaker 2: a problem, and he was he was a CIA consultant
Speaker 2: to Nasar. He says, anytime that he gave us a problem,
Speaker 2: we could just say, well you might you might have
Speaker 2: a little bit of a T E R R O
Speaker 2: R problem on your hand if you don't do what
Speaker 2: Washington and the CIA wants. So you can begin to
Speaker 2: see how the game works.
Speaker 1: Yep, classic problem reaction solution. So you're we've kind of
Speaker 1: discussed here a large history. Where would you pinpoint the
Speaker 1: beginning of British intelligence involvement with Islam? Specifically? Is it
Speaker 1: with T. E. Lawrence? I mean, where if you had
Speaker 1: to describe the beginning of the process.
Speaker 2: Well, I think for the modern world and the Great Game,
Speaker 2: it would be that. But I would imagine that I'm
Speaker 2: sure the British Empire had you know, Islamic connections going
Speaker 2: all the way back to you know, the you know
Speaker 2: time of Elizabeth and all of that. I don't know,
Speaker 2: It's interesting when you go back to like that time period,
Speaker 2: there's less and less written about espionage exploits, you know,
Speaker 2: going back into the fifteen hundreds and sixteen hundreds. But
Speaker 2: I would imagine, you know, they had they had those
Speaker 2: connections back then. But for what I know about is
Speaker 2: just the more recent, you know, post to the Great
Speaker 2: Game stuff, which you know, really the reason this is
Speaker 2: so important for us is that we're still seeing this
Speaker 2: play out now in the Middle like the battles and
Speaker 2: the things that you see happening in the Middle East
Speaker 2: where you know what Israel. I just did a live
Speaker 2: stream the other day about Lebanon, the Cia, Syria, Jordan
Speaker 2: and you know, all that area around Israel that's playing
Speaker 2: out because of the presuppositions of what the British Empire
Speaker 2: set up. So everything that we're dealing with today is
Speaker 2: rooted in the British imperial layout and structure. And this,
Speaker 2: for example, is why the when Israel started to have
Speaker 2: its own wanted to exert its own power. I guess
Speaker 2: you could say they were not happy with being a
Speaker 2: British colony, and so you had the Irgun, the Stern Gang.
Speaker 2: These are essentially organized crime factions who began to begin
Speaker 2: to make moves to throw off British colonial rule. And
Speaker 2: there were different motivations and reasons why they did that.
Speaker 2: In fact, a lot of people don't notice, but they
Speaker 2: were actually split between whether they wanted to support the
Speaker 2: axis some of these I'm serious, some of these Jewish gangs,
Speaker 2: or support of the allies. And the one reason for
Speaker 2: that was they reasoned that, well, if the Ox's pollowers
Speaker 2: were the enemies of the British Empire and the Brits,
Speaker 2: and we wanted to overthrow British colonial rule, maybe we
Speaker 2: should support those guys. It's the same reasoning why some
Speaker 2: of the Irish Republican Army, the IRA also wanted to
Speaker 2: support Tiny Mustache. So so just alliances of you know,
Speaker 2: enemy of my enemy as my friend, that type stuff.
Speaker 2: But it was actually you know, the organized crime sort
Speaker 2: of stern gang Irraguan circles that become the nascent Israeli
Speaker 2: intelligence service and people don't even know that guests who
Speaker 2: trained some of them. Do you know this? You'll never
Speaker 2: You'll never guess if you don't know quiz question.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: One of the famous trainers of these people is named
Speaker 2: Otto Skorzeny, and he was a high level operative of
Speaker 2: Tiny Mustache Man. Of course that's just public history, right,
Speaker 2: so uh and when he you know, when Tiny Mustache
Speaker 2: Man lost, just like rhin Hard Galen, that network of
Speaker 2: spies that he had set up for Tiny Mustache Man,
Speaker 2: that all became just immediately. The property is DA right,
Speaker 2: so we know what we all all heard about paper clip, right,
Speaker 2: But paper clip is also the CIA taking over rhin
Speaker 2: Hard galen spy network throughout Europe Galen Org and one
Speaker 2: of those nascent networks, uh is that network in Germany
Speaker 2: is now called the B and D German Intelligent German
Speaker 2: Intelligence is literally Galen's network that the CIA just took
Speaker 2: over after the Cold War because they gave him a deal.
Speaker 2: They said, you can go to prison or death, prison
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life or death, or we
Speaker 2: get your spine networks and we don't kill you. So
Speaker 2: that was a deal they gave to Galen anyway. So
Speaker 2: that again kind of tells you that like everything that
Speaker 2: we're experiencing and living through today is situated in the
Speaker 2: milieu of the British imperial structure.
Speaker 1: Well can you speak to because recently Cure Stormer has
Speaker 1: talked about sending British troops to the front lines in
Speaker 1: Ukraine and then it came out that they only actually
Speaker 1: have like eighteen thousand like military ready soldiers in Britain,
Speaker 1: which is I mean, I wouldn't have suspected it was
Speaker 1: that low. That was That was kind of mind blowing
Speaker 1: for me. So is the extension of force of whatever
Speaker 1: remains of the British Empire? Is it now basically intelligence
Speaker 1: agencies because it doesn't seem like they have any significant
Speaker 1: actual military power. Is it blackmails? It, you know, spies? Intelligence?
Speaker 1: What would how would you describe the transition of like
Speaker 1: the fall of the British Empire into the spy networks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because the you know, at one time,
Speaker 2: if you go back to the eighteen hundreds when the
Speaker 2: British East India Company was at its peak, I mean
Speaker 2: it was bringing in like some outrageous amount of money
Speaker 2: that's like beyond even what Apple's worth, Like they were
Speaker 2: bringing this in on a regular basis. I mean, the
Speaker 2: East India Company was just just insanely massive in terms
Speaker 2: of wealth and power. It really was kind of the
Speaker 2: engine of the British Empire, and so as it waned,
Speaker 2: I think the Crown just one day kind of just
Speaker 2: appropriated and said, okay, the British rest Unit Company is
Speaker 2: the property of the Crown now. So the British Crown
Speaker 2: itself is interesting because it's kind of this entity or
Speaker 2: corporation that owns a lot of land and a lot
Speaker 2: of places you wouldn't expect. They're very large landholders. They
Speaker 2: own a lot of land in Canada. I don't even
Speaker 2: know if we know exactly how all that works. It
Speaker 2: is intertwined with the wealth and power of the Rothchilds
Speaker 2: as well. That's been an open, well known thing for
Speaker 2: a long time.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Obviously they were very influential and involved in the Bank
Speaker 2: of England as well as the Bank of France. It
Speaker 2: quickly has many chapters on that, so you know exactly
Speaker 2: the nature and extent of that is difficult to determine,
Speaker 2: but the empire itself waned as America rose to power
Speaker 2: and so it went from you know, Pax Britannia to
Speaker 2: Pax Americana, especially after World War One and World War two,
Speaker 2: so the US came to power. But what the British
Speaker 2: were very adept at doing was through their sort of
Speaker 2: concentric circles model of how to construct what they call
Speaker 2: roundtable groups. You can have governments within governments is really
Speaker 2: how it works, and it's based on the East India
Speaker 2: companies model of like the committees of shareholders within the
Speaker 2: company who had just untold you know, vast amounts of
Speaker 2: wealth and control. So that's kind of the structure that
Speaker 2: they modeled their empire on and quickly talks about it
Speaker 2: like it was loosely speaking, a secret society. Calls it
Speaker 2: the Society the Elect. This was Cecil Rhodes's idea to
Speaker 2: create this society of the elect that would promote what
Speaker 2: he called a world federalist socialist union, to create an
Speaker 2: entire commonwealth of socialist type countries that would be the
Speaker 2: new British Empire. This was the original Cecil Rhodes raw
Speaker 2: Child John Ruskin idea. So it didn't exactly play out
Speaker 2: like that. But one thing they were able to do
Speaker 2: was to bring America and American isolationism back under the
Speaker 2: sway of imperial global geopolitical strategies. And as you know,
Speaker 2: the founding father said, we want to stay out of
Speaker 2: European entanglements. And so it took a lot of this
Speaker 2: wealth and power and influence in the US through things
Speaker 2: like the CFR Trelateral's all that stuff. That's all set
Speaker 2: up on the model of Chatham House in the UK,
Speaker 2: which is this sort of Fabian socialist interclique. British Intelligence
Speaker 2: was set up as a Fabian socialist institution. Its heads
Speaker 2: were originally all Fabian socialists. And so you mentioned Kiir Starmer,
Speaker 2: he is also openly a Fabian socialist. So exactly the
Speaker 2: same people, same strategy, same game plan. Tony Blair was
Speaker 2: a member of the Fabian Socialist party. That kind of
Speaker 2: dominates the ideology. But you're right that it doesn't require
Speaker 2: vast armies, you know, marching armies. British Empire was a
Speaker 2: naval power. They were not a land power as Dougan
Speaker 2: and many you know geopolitical people talk about you have
Speaker 2: a sea power versus Russia. Is a land power. British empire.
Speaker 2: Britain's tiny, and yet it had this vast empire through
Speaker 2: controlling disease. So it was a sea power, a money power,
Speaker 2: a banking power ultimately, and a lot of people liking it.
Speaker 2: To Italy when Italy had a lot of power, you know,
Speaker 2: centuries ago, they were a also kind of a sea power.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like that banking power is the only
Speaker 1: thing that's left in regardless like British British influence, British
Speaker 1: power and its ability to exert it on the world.
Speaker 1: It seems like I.
Speaker 2: Think they do project. They do project that power to
Speaker 2: a degree through the Royal family, because the Royal Family,
Speaker 2: as we said, is kind of a corporation, right that
Speaker 2: promotes to the west, through Canada, through Australia, because those
Speaker 2: are still commonwealths of the British Empire.
Speaker 1: Well, you speak of commonwealth, what are your thoughts about
Speaker 1: King Charles supposedly coming to the US to offer Trump
Speaker 1: the title of making the US a commonwealth. I mean,
Speaker 1: what are you familiar with what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I don't know what to make of that.
Speaker 2: I think it's goofy, It's silly I mean honestly, like
Speaker 2: all the Trump saying we're going to make Canada a state,
Speaker 2: We're going to make Greenland. I have no idea what.
Speaker 2: I don't even understand what I mean. I know it
Speaker 2: has to do with like trade deficits and you know whatever,
Speaker 2: but I have no idea what this means or where
Speaker 2: it's going. But but yeah, I mean when you I
Speaker 2: think key point here, when we understand this, And to
Speaker 2: get back to your question about like pinpointing when it
Speaker 2: became a policy for the UK way ahead of the EU.
Speaker 2: Like the UK in nineteen ten nineteen twenty, very prominent
Speaker 2: Fabian socialists were at that time saying it's time to
Speaker 2: make alliances with Islam because we can change the face
Speaker 2: of the UK and Europe through Islam. Right, And so
Speaker 2: it became you know, a tool early on. First all,
Speaker 2: not through the Wahabi Salafi stuff, because if you just
Speaker 2: try to import, if you try to import that into
Speaker 2: the UK in the nineteen tens and twenties, it would
Speaker 2: have never worked. So what do you do you do?
Speaker 2: What's the Fabian model, a slow kill model. Suonies, we
Speaker 2: bring in the ecumenist, very perennialist minded Sunnies, the mystical
Speaker 2: neo Platonic.
Speaker 1: Save them from persecution in the Middle East. Bring them
Speaker 1: to they brought.
Speaker 2: They even brought these guys over. Rachio some really great
Speaker 2: chapters in his book where they bring these intellectuals and
Speaker 2: they let him teach at Oxford and Cambridge. These intellectual
Speaker 2: Sufis then set up these missionary publishing societies. They start
Speaker 2: promoting Sufism throughout the UK and the nineteen ten and
Speaker 2: twenties thirties. Then over time you start bringing in the
Speaker 2: more radical Sunni Wahabbi type elements. That's where we are today,
Speaker 2: where you have lund honisty. But it's not accidental. People
Speaker 2: think that this is it's just liberals that are open borders. No,
Speaker 2: it's a specific strategy that many of the baby and
Speaker 2: socialist elite said, we got to eradicate Christianity in the
Speaker 2: West and in Europe, and one of the best ways
Speaker 2: to do that would be to flood the UK and
Speaker 2: EU with Islam. Right, they're very candid about it.
Speaker 1: So other than the ability to alter and augment European
Speaker 1: identity and culture and then the radical, violent elements of Islam,
Speaker 1: why are intelligence agencies so interested in manipulating and utilizing Islam.
Speaker 1: Are there other aspects of the paradigm the worldview that
Speaker 1: are very useful as a utility for people are wanting
Speaker 1: to control and manipulate populations.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean I think we can think immediately
Speaker 2: of you know, what Myles Copan says is that he
Speaker 2: says Islam's great religion for creating a t e r
Speaker 2: R patsy. I mean, you've got the ready made idea
Speaker 2: going back to, you know, the martyrdom idea that oh
Speaker 2: guess what, you know, die for this cause and you're
Speaker 2: going to get You're going to get laid for eternity,
Speaker 2: right right. So that's a very powerful motivation for perhaps
Speaker 2: not just young men who are very manipulable, but even
Speaker 2: unstable people can very easily be used in this way.
Speaker 2: And again that's what Males Copeland actually explains in his
Speaker 2: biography at about this He says that you know, they
Speaker 2: make the perfect patsy when we want this kind of
Speaker 2: an event. So it doesn't mean that the CIA or
Speaker 2: Version intelligence is behind every t R OUR event. It's
Speaker 2: not saying that at all. It's just saying that when
Speaker 2: it's useful, it's very useful for as you pointed out,
Speaker 2: everything from a destabilizing force in a rival nation to
Speaker 2: just terrorizing a target population. It can also bring about
Speaker 2: the end legal changes that you want. So you want
Speaker 2: to have I don't know, body scanners at every airport
Speaker 2: or a giant tea event would be great for that, right.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of different.
Speaker 1: Right, you had the subway bombing in London, it was
Speaker 1: out of the early early two thousand and seven. That
Speaker 1: was kind of like their nine to eleven event that
Speaker 1: reorganized their society exactly.
Speaker 2: A great example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was also mentioned, you know, when you
Speaker 1: were talking about that, I was thinking that Islam is
Speaker 1: also so culturally cohesive. That is is another reason why
Speaker 1: it is such a useful weapon against Western nations is
Speaker 1: you know, the the unity of Arabic you know, you
Speaker 1: can find you know, Buddhist tradition, and they don't all
Speaker 1: speak the same language, they don't all come from the
Speaker 1: same culture. But Islam is sort of a submission to
Speaker 1: Arabism and so and it's filled with political and militaristic
Speaker 1: ideology is the name of religion. So it seems like
Speaker 1: it as a paradigm out of all the world religions.
Speaker 1: Islam is certainly the most useful if you want to
Speaker 1: sort of take control of it.
Speaker 2: It's a death cult. It's a model for creating a
Speaker 2: kind of a death cult type of thing. Absolutely, absolutely great.
Speaker 2: That's a great point. I mean, even even a lot
Speaker 2: of the modern apologists critiquing Islam, whether it's David Wood
Speaker 2: or Sam Shimun or Jay Smith, A lot of people
Speaker 2: who have critiqued that have noted that you can see
Speaker 2: early on in the Quran that before the later you know,
Speaker 2: battles that Muhammad engaged in, it's intended to be the
Speaker 2: revelation for Arab peoples. So, in other words, early points
Speaker 2: in the Quran, all us speaks as if well, the
Speaker 2: Jews have their Bible and the Christians have their thing,
Speaker 2: this is the thing for the Arabs, right, So it
Speaker 2: initially has this verythno nationalist, I guess you could say,
Speaker 2: vibe to it. Before later on Mohammad says, after certain battles, Oh, no,
Speaker 2: actually this is to take over the whole world now.
Speaker 2: So you can actually see an internal contradiction in the
Speaker 2: Quran itself to where it moves from being just relative
Speaker 2: to the Arab people's too, oh no, actually this is
Speaker 2: for everybody, conquer everybody now right.
Speaker 1: Now? How much influence, because you were talking about the
Speaker 1: earlier years of the British intelligence having to do with
Speaker 1: you know, the OPEC nations oil energy. How much influence
Speaker 1: do they still have in places like Cutter and the
Speaker 1: UAE and Saudi Arabia. What in your perspective, what is
Speaker 1: that influence and relationship with British intelligence still.
Speaker 2: I think that uh, British intelligence has since the Cold
Speaker 2: War earlier, had a what they call a special relationship
Speaker 2: with America. So they link up and they do things
Speaker 2: very closely. It's part of the you know, five eyes,
Speaker 2: seven eyes. These are the you know, Western sort of
Speaker 2: intelligence powers and structures. They're united together. So I think
Speaker 2: the key thing to realize here is that remember that
Speaker 2: for US in the West, there might be periods where
Speaker 2: we have some sort of disagreement with the UK or whatever,
Speaker 2: but the overlord oligarchic power structure is the same. It's
Speaker 2: the same upper level people that run both the US
Speaker 2: and the UK, and by extension that YOUU because if
Speaker 2: you understand, the European Union itself was set up by
Speaker 2: the os S and the CIA. It's literally a creation
Speaker 2: of the U, S S and CIA. This is the
Speaker 2: post tiny stash Man after he loses OS S and
Speaker 2: c A comes in and literally sets up all that.
Speaker 2: In fact, they even brainwash the Germans with re education camps,
Speaker 2: so we think of that as a Soviet communist thing. No, actually,
Speaker 2: the CIA set up I'm serious. They set up at
Speaker 2: re education camps for Germans after the after World War two.
Speaker 2: So you know you've got this this elite corporate banking structure.
Speaker 2: I believe that is what quickly calls the uh you know,
Speaker 2: Atlanticist East Anglo American establishment, and that includes the nation
Speaker 2: state of Israel. So I'm not excluding them. And they
Speaker 2: still see you know, certain places like Russia, Uh, maybe
Speaker 2: Iran to some degree. I'm not an iffy on how
Speaker 2: you know, how much I think Iran is a real
Speaker 2: threat or not, but I think they do see these
Speaker 2: the way that Brazinski said, we have to make sure
Speaker 2: that they could never be any potential threat or challenge
Speaker 2: to Atlantis's dominance and thus control of Eurasia, according to Brazinski,
Speaker 2: was the key means to that. Hence why for them
Speaker 2: Ukraine is so important, because that's that's essential to Western
Speaker 2: NATO dominance in the Eurasian heartland. So so that's why
Speaker 2: a lot of these things happen, is these motivations. But
Speaker 2: I don't think like you said, it's not really British.
Speaker 2: I mean, British intelligence plays a key role because for example,
Speaker 2: British intelligence created the p Gate scandal that was literally
Speaker 2: created by the Steele dossi age's straight out of British
Speaker 2: intelligence created well, and.
Speaker 1: It seems like that's what the CIA does is whenever
Speaker 1: they want to do any sort of domestic operation and
Speaker 1: they just give all the tools over to the UK
Speaker 1: and then five or m I six then comes up
Speaker 1: with something and all of a sudden it's national you know,
Speaker 1: global news that something XYZ has happened.
Speaker 2: Exactly absolutely so there is That's why you see like
Speaker 2: Saddle and those creeps, you know, tied into the same
Speaker 2: intelligence structure in the UK, and you know M I five,
Speaker 2: m S six have these brothels that they run like.
Speaker 1: El and Epstein I mean Maxwell, the father senior, I
Speaker 1: mean it was Masad in British intelligence who he worked
Speaker 1: for the most.
Speaker 2: Correct likewise with apparently Lord Victor Rochald appears to be
Speaker 2: doing a very similar type of thing, correct, except in
Speaker 2: Victor's case it wasn't just Westerly. He was actually also
Speaker 2: working with Soviets. So you'll find certain players actually played
Speaker 2: both sides of the Cold War.
Speaker 1: And so can you speak to this this dialectic that
Speaker 1: the globalist Anglo American banking dominant structure, how it sort
Speaker 1: of demonizes domestic population, spies all them, blackmails anybody with influence,
Speaker 1: and at the same time then brings in massive amounts
Speaker 1: of people to totally alter and transform transform the cultures.
Speaker 1: What I mean, I already have an idea, but how
Speaker 1: does these things relate to the endpoint of a new
Speaker 1: global order? What are they trying to construct through all this?
Speaker 2: Well, a couple examples is uh, and this is a
Speaker 2: controversial topic, but uh, I mean I have his actual books.
Speaker 2: You can read Count Kutenhov Kolergy's book Practical Idealism, which
Speaker 2: I have right over there, and he says, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: we can destroy Europe through changing the demographics. Quickly says
Speaker 2: that the royal society elites the people in our I
Speaker 2: a Royal Instagram, National Affairs and others. They basically said,
Speaker 2: let's go with the Count's plan. Uh, And that's identical
Speaker 2: to what the Fabian socialists were pushing. What they wanted.
Speaker 2: They realized that in order to have a future socialist technology,
Speaker 2: christy type of world federation, you would need to destroy
Speaker 2: the firewalls that stood in the way of that. And
Speaker 2: firewalls would be nation states and religious ideologies like Christianity,
Speaker 2: as well as even things that we think of as
Speaker 2: fundamental like the family unit. Maybe, and socialist believe that
Speaker 2: eventually you'd have to get rid of the family because
Speaker 2: families are directly connected to private property and inheritance right
Speaker 2: in heritage and tradition, and if you're going to have
Speaker 2: a brave new world, got to get rid of that stuff, right.
Speaker 1: So the post humanists, i mean, there's a whole strand
Speaker 1: about decoupling reproduction from sexual practices. So it's i mean
Speaker 1: their goal. And these are you know, these are papers
Speaker 1: from very important institutions literally saying that the future of
Speaker 1: reproduction will be totally I mean, in my terms, a
Speaker 1: sort of synthetic fabrication. It's going to be done in
Speaker 1: a laboratory, it's going to be done through IVF and
Speaker 1: and these are these are academical articles that I was
Speaker 1: citing in my paper. They're literally saying that, you know, sex,
Speaker 1: not just gender, not just performative gender, but actual sex
Speaker 1: will be on a fluid spectrum, that all the tranny stuff,
Speaker 1: this is all intentional and in actual intercourse is only
Speaker 1: going to be for pleasure. So they want to make
Speaker 1: it that actually people probably can't reproduce him if they
Speaker 1: wanted to, and so everybody is just then hedonistic pursuing
Speaker 1: sexual gratification and nobody can actually reproduce.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that Lord Birkenhead's famous essay. He's one
Speaker 2: of these British technocratic baby and socials elites. He wrote
Speaker 2: back in nineteen twenties, the essay for Cosmopolitan magazine where
Speaker 2: he said, saved my article because in one hundred years,
Speaker 2: babies will come out of test tubes, you'll have a
Speaker 2: world government, et cetera, et cetera. And props to Tristan
Speaker 2: for he hit me to that before I'd never even
Speaker 2: heard of Lord Birkenhead. I've been reading all these books,
Speaker 2: and you know he found that essay years ago. But
Speaker 2: it's also identical to what Huxley wrote in Brave New World,
Speaker 2: Like in chapter one or two a Brave New World.
Speaker 2: It's actually explained that the babies are born in test
Speaker 2: tubes because that's the only way to have the technocratic
Speaker 2: state be your stand in mommy or daddy, because if
Speaker 2: you're born to a parent, you have an immediate attachment
Speaker 2: to them. If you're born in a test tube, you
Speaker 2: got mad scientists doctor Man as your daddy, right. Literally
Speaker 2: they say that in the character in I think it's
Speaker 2: chapter one, actually explains that this is why we birth
Speaker 2: the babies and the test tubes and not from a
Speaker 2: mother anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, And that abstraction of parenthood is going to make
Speaker 1: somebody much more sympathetic to like central authority, So like
Speaker 1: a communist or a socialist or some centralized governmental identity.
Speaker 1: If your identity is not coming from your parents and
Speaker 1: from like genetic heritage and culture, it's gonna be you're
Speaker 1: gonna tie yourself to whatever structure of importance exist in
Speaker 1: that particular context. So like for these fabian socialists, it
Speaker 1: makes total sense.
Speaker 2: There's also a connection, to believe or not, between that
Speaker 2: and espionage because one of the things they learned in
Speaker 2: the you know, say, past one hundred years of recruiting
Speaker 2: people for British intelligence work was that a lot of times,
Speaker 2: people who made the best spies were the ones that
Speaker 2: had didn't have parental figures. And so in the case
Speaker 2: of James Bond, he's a case example because Bond is
Speaker 2: the figure who is an orphan, right and the handlers
Speaker 2: him in the novels they know that, and so Queen
Speaker 2: and Country becomes this, the queen becomes to sort of
Speaker 2: stand in aloof mother figure, nanny state figure. And that's
Speaker 2: not just him, I mean in the Munier book, I
Speaker 2: mean there's other spies who were also famously orphans. So
Speaker 2: you can learn from those test cases of those people
Speaker 2: to then they could extrapolate and say, well, why don't
Speaker 2: we just make everybody this kind of you know, automaton
Speaker 2: who And I'm not saying that, like James Bond's supposed
Speaker 2: to be just a killing machine, right, but the point
Speaker 2: is that he doesn't. He doesn't have a conscience, and
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the firewalls that we're talking about because
Speaker 2: of the early trauma. And so if you can traumatize, say,
Speaker 2: youthful people when on a mass scale when they're young,
Speaker 2: which is what we're seeing with a lot of this
Speaker 2: tr and Z stuff, right, and you know, the stuff
Speaker 2: that they're doing too. You know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: reassignment stuff and all like that is just going to
Speaker 2: damage them for life, right, And that kind of information
Speaker 2: is exactly what spies and people who were engaged in
Speaker 2: sexual compromise were themselves learning and doing. Does that make
Speaker 2: sense why?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and it draws a you know, you mentioned
Speaker 1: that Islam is a death cult and draws that sort
Speaker 1: of strand and ties both this Anglo American global establishment
Speaker 1: banking elite because they themselves are a death cul and
Speaker 1: the things that they're pushing and so Islam. They have
Speaker 1: no ideological difference. This is something that I'll see it
Speaker 1: in one of the chats I forget a few streams ago,
Speaker 1: but talking about how you know, some of these British
Speaker 1: elites they just don't realize yet what all these Muslims
Speaker 1: are going to do to their country. It's like, dude,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. They don't have an opposition
Speaker 1: to it, they don't care. They know exactly what's going
Speaker 1: to happen, and so what are your kind of thoughts
Speaker 1: on I mean, like in that video I did on
Speaker 1: the city of London, London is the most Muslim city
Speaker 1: in all of Europe. I believe it. Now it's the
Speaker 1: first city to have over a thousand mosques.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just posted a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago the classic clips of Prince Philip saying, you know,
Speaker 2: the number one problem in the world is people, and
Speaker 2: he says people are a plague. And I found his
Speaker 2: Old Guardian, the Old Guardian article where it says that
Speaker 2: his famous, one of his most famous quotes is I
Speaker 2: hope when I die to come back as a virus,
Speaker 2: to get rid of most parts. So you understand that
Speaker 2: the British elites they don't care about Britain, they don't
Speaker 2: care about the British people. Fact, they hate them. They're Malthusians, right,
Speaker 2: They're like open, rabid Malthusians. And when you understand that,
Speaker 2: and when you understand the Fabian socialist, technocratic ideology, everything
Speaker 2: they're doing makes perfect sense. It's not it's not idiot
Speaker 2: liberals who don't know what's happened. They know what's happening exactly.
Speaker 2: You that doesn't know what's happening because you listen to
Speaker 2: Matt wallsh You know these people who act like there's.
Speaker 1: No exactly ape goading of ignorance, amongst the elite. I
Speaker 1: think that's one of the it's it's actually a very
Speaker 1: nefarious it is out for a lot of people is like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they're just ignorant. No, dude, they're not ignorant at all.
Speaker 1: Don't you realize this is.
Speaker 2: Always they think that it's like Joe Biden running stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that idiot up there. He can't even talk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course he wasn't running shit. He's the perfect face
Speaker 2: for all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So how what I mean is there I'm sure there
Speaker 1: is a role amongst the intelligence agencies, like the fact
Speaker 1: that they've been able to get all of Western Europe
Speaker 1: and at least a handful of Central European nations to
Speaker 1: buy into all this stuff and allow all this mass immigration.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a friend in Greece and Athens
Speaker 1: is being absolutely overrun with Muslims. It sounds like the
Speaker 1: PM in Italy is trying to take some type of stand,
Speaker 1: but France seems to be gone. My wife is from Germany,
Speaker 1: and so she's from southern Germany and Stuttgart, and they
Speaker 1: have so many Turks that are coming that now two
Speaker 1: out of every three baby he's born in Stuttgart are
Speaker 1: Turkish and that only you know, you play that for
Speaker 1: just a generation or two and it's game over. You know,
Speaker 1: this doesn't gonna take long. So what are your thoughts on,
Speaker 1: I mean, how they've been able to get Is it
Speaker 1: just through the centralization of the EU and the sort
Speaker 1: of socialist structure that Europe has. But it's amazing how
Speaker 1: outside of maybe Poland and Hungry, there's not really many
Speaker 1: voices in opposition to literally the replacement of their population
Speaker 1: and mass immigration.
Speaker 2: Well, post World War Two, what the West did was
Speaker 2: through the OSS and CIA not just set up like
Speaker 2: sort of brainwashing re education stuff for Germans, they also
Speaker 2: set up the socialist EU model on purpose as one
Speaker 2: of these kind of Fabian institutions, as a kind of
Speaker 2: a test run or to try to get you know,
Speaker 2: the proto fabian socials world gode going. So when you
Speaker 2: look at the EU, that's what you're looking at is
Speaker 2: a version of them setting what we're talking about up,
Speaker 2: and that includes a lot of media control, a lot
Speaker 2: of control of education. Again, like we mentioned in the
Speaker 2: case of Germany, it was the CIA that set up
Speaker 2: the B and D out of the Galen Organization's network
Speaker 2: and there might be some ignorant persons who think would
Speaker 2: not be tread and based. No, it's not tread and based.
Speaker 2: It's immediately turned into what Western ideology wants to push.
Speaker 2: And so you get decades then of these entities controlling
Speaker 2: the education system in Europe, controlling the banking in Europe,
Speaker 2: such that you could even have that famous banker Peter
Speaker 2: Sutherland about ten years ago. I think he's dead now,
Speaker 2: but he came out and said it's mainstream news. He said, yes,
Speaker 2: as a massive EU banking person, my job is to
Speaker 2: destroy the nation states of the European Union and turn
Speaker 2: them into one big blob that we can control in
Speaker 2: a socialist way. So there it is, right there, just
Speaker 2: go repeater sutherland statement on what the purpose of the
Speaker 2: U is. And other people have kind of leaked this
Speaker 2: stuff out too, even General Wesley Clark, who some people
Speaker 2: were big fans of because he was against the Bush
Speaker 2: stuff and you know Seven Nations Plan and all that.
Speaker 2: But General Wesley Clark famously said that the goal for
Speaker 2: NATO was to help destroy European nation states and turn
Speaker 2: them into a big socialist blob. That's the goal. So
Speaker 2: they were sold under the guise of oh, this will
Speaker 2: help us be a more powerful economic union. That was
Speaker 2: kind of the selling line that they were giving the
Speaker 2: people for the EU through the OSS and what was
Speaker 2: called the European Project, the European Steel and Coal Development
Speaker 2: of Project. Those are all corporate banking and OSS created
Speaker 2: things that help to try to transition Europe into this union.
Speaker 2: But it was also acoring to David Rockefeller and his
Speaker 2: memoirs planned at Builderberg Soil Bilderberg also played a big
Speaker 2: role in creating and planning the EU back in the
Speaker 2: forties and fifties. It's not a nineteen ninetiesish thing. It's
Speaker 2: actually planned that long ago because they're thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: long term about creating these continental unions. World federal socialist
Speaker 2: unions is what they are. And then it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: whether you have the title of you know, you could
Speaker 2: call yourself the Free State of Liberia. Like you're integrated into, right,
Speaker 2: a big socialist union. It doesn't matter what what you
Speaker 2: call yourself, So they don't have to be called, you know,
Speaker 2: the Nation, the Fabian Socialist you know, Committee of Liberia,
Speaker 2: like you can call yourself whatever you want. It's integrated
Speaker 2: into continental unions, is the plan. And so I think
Speaker 2: some people have expressed can in regard to Trump's statements
Speaker 2: about Canada and Mexico.
Speaker 1: That right, that that is Region three in Agenda twenty one.
Speaker 1: And that was my initial response once I heard about Okay, Greenland,
Speaker 1: maybe they're going to vote and want to join the US.
Speaker 1: And then the next it was like, the next day
Speaker 1: after a conversation with Trudeau, is like making them the
Speaker 1: fifty first state. And I pulled up the map Agenda
Speaker 1: twenty one and that's literally region three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's possible. I don't know
Speaker 2: the long term game plan. You know. I doubt that
Speaker 2: the Trump administration and the people in the Trump administration
Speaker 2: have looked at the stuff we're talking about today this
Speaker 2: in depth, because I mean I'm not trying to be
Speaker 2: arrogant or you know whatever, but like a lot of this,
Speaker 2: like the stuff we're talking about, like that's Brazensky Kissinger
Speaker 2: level stuff. This is what they write about, and very
Speaker 2: few people read or talk about the Brazensky Kissinger type
Speaker 2: of geopolitical stuff.
Speaker 1: That's mine for these people to be in positions of
Speaker 1: power that they don't read that stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there's somebody and I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you know. I mean, Alex knows
Speaker 2: this this type of material. You know, he talks to
Speaker 2: Roger Stone and Trump and all them. And I mean,
Speaker 2: I would imagine Roger Stone knows. I mean, I just
Speaker 2: don't know, Like I'm not you know, I don't talk
Speaker 2: to the White House. I don't know what. But I
Speaker 2: don't hear many people talking about, you know, Kissinger Brazenski
Speaker 2: level stuff. And that's what we're talking about today. Is
Speaker 2: so I don't know, no.
Speaker 1: And I've found even amongst people in some of the
Speaker 1: more red you know what the kids call red pill
Speaker 1: or based and conspiratorial mindset is as soon as you
Speaker 1: bring up this this dialectic between Hamas and Israel and
Speaker 1: there and there's literally articles from the Times of Israel
Speaker 1: talking about Masad and Israel funding Hamas doing exactly what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, this general false dialectic with these intelligence agencies.
Speaker 1: And you bring this up to people you know, you
Speaker 1: think are pretty re and know what's going on, and
Speaker 1: this is like too much for them to fathom that.
Speaker 1: You know, why would Israel fun Hamas well? If you
Speaker 1: want to you know, well, you can.
Speaker 2: Actually read Victor Ostrovsky, the very guy who was in
Speaker 2: the massade at the time, and who you know, I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure he talks about knowing Arafat personally. Israel didn't
Speaker 2: want the Plouh and the stabilizing secular force. They wanted
Speaker 2: the radical position of Hamas because it's a destabilizing force.
Speaker 2: They weren't successful, according to Ostrovsky, in getting Arafat on
Speaker 2: anything personal. He lived a very kind of austere basically
Speaker 2: moral life, so they didn't have him go into the
Speaker 2: you know, prostitutes or stealing money, and so they found
Speaker 2: that that mode. And this is in my way of deception.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety he doesn't explicitly mention Hamas. He just hints
Speaker 2: that they were wanting to arm and fund rivals to them.
Speaker 2: And then later on in the nineteen ninety four but
Speaker 2: which I just got apparently he does that explicitly mentioned Hamas.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, in the in the nineteen was the
Speaker 2: seventies or whatever, they saw that as At and it's
Speaker 2: it's the same as what the guy just said about Syria.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, we would, we would fund an arm
Speaker 2: al Noosra because we would rather have that destabilizing force
Speaker 2: versus asad he's a stabilizing force. So and he even
Speaker 2: says the guy in that Alazeera interview says, that's the
Speaker 2: rules of the game. So what do you mean? So
Speaker 2: this is what is what everybody does. So that's the
Speaker 2: way he plays that plays it in the interview. But yeah,
Speaker 2: if you think about it, this actually makes sense. And
Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned that because I just went a
Speaker 2: lot deeper into lots of I didn't know about that
Speaker 2: region and Lebanon and and you know the shield role
Speaker 2: in Lebanon, and it's all really fascinating. There's a really
Speaker 2: good movie from twenty eight team with John Hamm and
Speaker 2: Rosamond Pike called De Rout and I recommend people watch
Speaker 2: that because it's a little bit it's a little Hollywood,
Speaker 2: But what's good about the movie is that it doesn't
Speaker 2: It presents everybody as having their angle and their desires
Speaker 2: in this very tense region of you have Lebanon here,
Speaker 2: and then you have Israel here, so North Israel and
Speaker 2: Lebanon border, right right. Then you have Christians in Lebanon,
Speaker 2: you have Shia in Lebanon, and you have Sunni factions
Speaker 2: in Lebanon. So it's a factionalized country that's also got
Speaker 2: a lot of organized crime groups in Lebanon, and so
Speaker 2: they can't really they're not a real threat to Israel.
Speaker 2: And even in the I think in the eighties the Phalanges,
Speaker 2: who were largely the Maronite Catholic militia, they were actually
Speaker 2: funded donated by the CIA Masad. So it's very complicated
Speaker 2: because the Christians in Lebanon have this alliance with CIA Massad.
Speaker 2: She and Lebanon right are there to suppose to put
Speaker 2: pressure on Israel and be a supposedly a militia or
Speaker 2: a terrorist organization opinion upon how you view them. So
Speaker 2: it's just a really wild complex region. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: and the Shia don't like Assuni, and the Shia don't
Speaker 2: like didn't like the PLO, so it's right.
Speaker 1: Well, and then with everything that's happened with the undermining
Speaker 1: of the Asad regime and the fall of Syria. One
Speaker 1: of the things that I've been covering some books on
Speaker 1: like eschaeological prophecies from various saints and Saint Paysios and
Speaker 1: various other various other elders of the Church, and one
Speaker 1: of the things that they talked about is we get
Speaker 1: closer towards the end times, is that Turkey is going
Speaker 1: to be an enemy of Russia and it's going to
Speaker 1: be fully aligned with the West. And you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I mean, it sounds seemed like
Speaker 1: Russia and Turkey had a pretty good relationship. But what's
Speaker 1: what recently just unfolded in Syria is essentially Turkey, he
Speaker 1: backstabbed Russia, made an agreeance with the West and with
Speaker 1: Israel to basically take the northern portion of Syria. And
Speaker 1: it's I find that very interesting. Is now we can
Speaker 1: kind of see how these how these power factions are
Speaker 1: splitting up, and at least according to some and we
Speaker 1: take you know, eschatology is a difficult subject to discuss,
Speaker 1: but you know, at least the patterns are emerging, and
Speaker 1: it's it's beginning to make a lot more sense on
Speaker 1: how Aerdogon and Turkey and all this posturing that he's
Speaker 1: going to save the Palestinians from Israel and yet he's
Speaker 1: actually making a backdoor deal with Israel. Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and fund these radical Muslims to take over Syria and
Speaker 1: then we'll just cut it up, and then the US
Speaker 1: takes the Northern Peace where the Kurds are. To your point,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, they have their own faction with the
Speaker 1: military of the Kurds to maintain control there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's that one gets really complex, and
Speaker 2: I don't even understand all the ins and outs of
Speaker 2: the Turkish rule and all that, but they because of
Speaker 2: where they're located, a lot of the aid or arms
Speaker 2: has to go through Turkey, right, So for some of
Speaker 2: these places. So I say that because going back to
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen twenty seventeen, we were at that time I
Speaker 2: was writing a lot of articles for twenty first Century
Speaker 2: Wire with Patrick Kenningson, and we were covering I'm trying
Speaker 2: to pull up the map here so we can see
Speaker 2: the No, that doesn't need a bigger map, But we
Speaker 2: were covering this issue because we knew that it was
Speaker 2: obvious that the CIA and obviously Israelis as well as
Speaker 2: British intelligence like they were aiding and funding the Al
Speaker 2: Nusra in Syria to try to get rid of Asad
Speaker 2: and they were calling them the moderate rebels. Right. Well,
Speaker 2: the CFR had put up an article prior to all
Speaker 2: of this. Yeah, there we go. So yeah, So like
Speaker 2: if if weapons, for example, are going to come from
Speaker 2: Iran to Lebanon, right, it needs to go either through
Speaker 2: Turkey or through Syria to reach Lebanon. If they were
Speaker 2: gonna arm, if they were going to arm the Shia,
Speaker 2: or if there was going to be arming of ISIS
Speaker 2: in Syria, Turkey back in the twenty fourteen twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: time period was also helping ISIS in Syria or Al
Speaker 2: Nusra in Syria. So this was being discussed by many outlets,
Speaker 2: and I remember vividly because I was writing articles about it,
Speaker 2: and I was getting called all kinds of names if
Speaker 2: you talked about the CIA or the West or Israel
Speaker 2: arming and helping Al Nusra in Syria. Even though Johnny
Speaker 2: Kane is like meeting with and he's in pictures with
Speaker 2: the freaking Al Qaeda dudes, like you were called crazy,
Speaker 2: you were called insane. It doesn't exist. Well, a few
Speaker 2: months ago, the New York Times just published their gigantic
Speaker 2: front page article on Timber Sycamore. So we actually know
Speaker 2: the name of the twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen one
Speaker 2: billion dollar plan. It was called Timber Sycamore, where they
Speaker 2: armed trained and funded Al Nusra in Syria, right, right,
Speaker 2: So there you go, like we were called I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you many people were like calling me
Speaker 2: names back then. And it's like I've been sharing this,
Speaker 2: Like just look up the you know, the New York Times,
Speaker 2: Timber Sycamore, it'll come up right away as the first first.
Speaker 1: Well, and people were even denying reports after the withdrawal
Speaker 1: from Afghanistan that the US was sending millions of dollars
Speaker 1: to the Taliban. Well, now that's a fact, we know that,
Speaker 1: you know, according to Trump taking office, that's top. But
Speaker 1: it was like upwards between forty to seventy million dollars
Speaker 1: a week the US was sending to the Taliban, who,
Speaker 1: according to them, we had to fight this, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty some year war in Afghanistan what like, it makes
Speaker 1: no sense. But even once that became public knowledge, people
Speaker 1: were still reluctant to even recognize that.
Speaker 2: So that should have been obvious because that goes back
Speaker 2: to nineteen seventy nine where Brazenski came up with the
Speaker 2: plan it's called Operation Cyclone to this is under Carter
Speaker 2: to arm the Mujahadeen freedom fighters in the Soviet Afghanistan conflict,
Speaker 2: and the plan was actually a pretty smart plan because
Speaker 2: it worked. So Operation Cyclone literally was successful in exhausting
Speaker 2: the Soviet force there, and this helped the later collapse
Speaker 2: of the Soviet empire under a few years later in
Speaker 2: the eighties. But had not this been successful, that probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't have happened. But this is where the CIA makes
Speaker 2: its alliance with the Mujahadeen, who are these freedom fighter
Speaker 2: al Qaeda people. They become the drawing pool from which
Speaker 2: we get.
Speaker 1: Right and British intelligence was involved with this as well. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: so it's it's the same it's the same playbook over
Speaker 1: and over and over, and it's just irritating that people
Speaker 1: because they're so embedded into their emotions and they act
Speaker 1: irrationally whenever you bring up especially Israel here in the
Speaker 1: United States, that people that are often although that Overton
Speaker 1: windows seems to be shifting quite a bit in the
Speaker 1: last two years, but generally speaking, to see these dialectical
Speaker 1: tensions of how radical Islam is a utility of Western
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies to create chaos, destabilization so that they can
Speaker 1: expand power and control. I mean, it's as clear as
Speaker 1: day now. I don't even know how anybody can deny it.
Speaker 1: And this is why. And I'm curious what your opinions
Speaker 1: are on the normalization of Islam in the West as well.
Speaker 1: We see you know, And I'm not here to accuse
Speaker 1: anybody of anything but the Tape Brothers. At least according
Speaker 1: to online there was a massive spike in young men
Speaker 1: looking into Islam during before the Romania allegations, and that
Speaker 1: case was dropped. So I'm not here to accuse anybody
Speaker 1: of anything but Tate. Andrew Tate converted to Islam and
Speaker 1: it was like one of the one of the biggest
Speaker 1: search things in like Western for young men in the
Speaker 1: West was searching up Islam and looking to convert to Islam.
Speaker 1: And it does give them a kind of a coherent
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not totally coherent Islam. It's filled with contradictions,
Speaker 1: but at least some type at least their perception, a worldview,
Speaker 1: an identity where they could get married and have a
Speaker 1: virgin and for some of them appeal to having multiple wives.
Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts on this sort of normalization
Speaker 1: of Islam, And sometimes to the detriment, so people have
Speaker 1: so much animosity towards Israel or who they think are
Speaker 1: controlling the levers of power in the West, that they
Speaker 1: like welcome Islam and we as especially Orthodox christ in
Speaker 1: the history of the Orthodox Church, you know, this is
Speaker 1: a false that you don't choose one or the other.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really important people understand and and
Speaker 2: this is tied into a lot of the right wing reaction.
Speaker 2: They will see, you know, certain countries from the Middle
Speaker 2: East having a lot of influence in America, and then
Speaker 2: they will assume that the alliance with anything Islamic would
Speaker 2: be a natural right wing alliance. I think this is
Speaker 2: really foolish because you have to understand that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of other players and people with a lot of money.
Speaker 2: The Saudi Royal family is a is a big pusher
Speaker 2: for Islam in the West. Other Gulf states do push
Speaker 2: and promote Islam in the West. Uh. And you know
Speaker 2: that's that shouldn't be surprising. I think we should if
Speaker 2: you just think about how nation states in general, how
Speaker 2: they project power.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's you know, if you're if you're the king of
Speaker 2: Jordan and you're a hash of mighte and you believe
Speaker 2: your Islamic stuff. You're gonna want people interested in Islam.
Speaker 2: You're gonna desire the promotion, just like we would desire
Speaker 2: Orthodox Christianity everywhere, right right, They're gonna think the same way.
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna want and support and fund Islamic
Speaker 2: endeavors in the West. So we needn't think of it
Speaker 2: as if it's all you know, CIA M I six
Speaker 2: Masade pushing Islam. It doesn't work like that. Those groups will,
Speaker 2: for example, make alliances with whoever they need in any
Speaker 2: of these regions to push whatever will work for them.
Speaker 2: So it's not ideological, it's just pragmatic. It's the key
Speaker 2: point here. So like when the CIA is funding an
Speaker 2: army the most, it's not because they believe in al
Speaker 2: Kaida ideology. It's because that's what's useful in that region
Speaker 2: to fight the Soviets. So likewise, you know, there are
Speaker 2: Islamic nations, Islamic movements, Islamic banking structures that push and
Speaker 2: fund Islam in the West. And it's not all the CIA.
Speaker 2: It's it's like, I mean, I can we drove to
Speaker 2: Vegas some months back and I noticed across America, and
Speaker 2: I've been driving back and forth across America for the
Speaker 2: last seven years more than I ever have mosques you
Speaker 2: seem I saw a mosque on an Indian reservation.
Speaker 1: Wow, I would have thought about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're absolutely right. There is a push for
Speaker 2: Islam in the West. And that's not all you know,
Speaker 2: Cia or Israel. I mean, there's actual you know, Gulf
Speaker 2: States and Saudis and it.
Speaker 1: And it seems like that is the way that it's
Speaker 1: often presented as an antidote to like Western degeneracy. So
Speaker 1: as as the national cultures of the West are inundated
Speaker 1: with all this debauchery and sexual sin, it's well, now
Speaker 1: you need a militaristic, masculine religion to come in here
Speaker 1: and clean things up. And then it's like, here's Islam.
Speaker 1: And so they present this as the alternative to So
Speaker 1: if you if you hate the left, well then why
Speaker 1: don't you become a Muslim because then you'll be able
Speaker 1: to fight it. And even when I look at and
Speaker 1: I've never been to Britain England. I've been to Ireland
Speaker 1: but never been to England, but just based on articles
Speaker 1: that I've seen, it's like they let the Muslim population
Speaker 1: get away with criticism of the leftist agenda, the sort
Speaker 1: of leftist narrative within England that they don't let the
Speaker 1: average British person say so if you're if you're an
Speaker 1: average British person to criticize it, you're a problem. But
Speaker 1: when entire Muslim communities do it, I oht no problem
Speaker 1: at all. Which take that movement toward.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, absolutely by design. We went there in twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen and uh, I mean you just like, it's Islamic everywhere.
Speaker 2: I mean it's we were in we were in London
Speaker 2: for a week and then we were out in the
Speaker 2: country at in Milton Kane where I gave a lecture
Speaker 2: for another week. So you know, I got I got
Speaker 2: a week week's worth of London. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: just sad to see what used to it one time
Speaker 2: be you know, a Christian area be so heavily Islamic.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because you go back to the Middle Ages,
Speaker 2: whether you're in the Roman Catholic West or if you're
Speaker 2: in Byzantium. If you go back to the Middle Ages,
Speaker 2: pretty much every Christian understood that Islam is like chastisement,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's like the divine chastisement
Speaker 2: when you you know, if you turn degenerate, this is
Speaker 2: your chastisement. So it's not that Islam is true, it's
Speaker 2: that you know, well, it's like what scripture says, like,
Speaker 2: you know, if you follow what God says, you'll be strong.
Speaker 2: If you're degenerate, you'll be rolled over, just like he
Speaker 2: told Israel.
Speaker 1: And in that light, even the military conquest of the
Speaker 1: Ottoman Empires. You know, aragon I showed a quote that
Speaker 1: he had. He was talking about the amount of Muslims
Speaker 1: that now exist in Western Europe and he was talking
Speaker 1: about the growth in the building of all these mosques,
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, this is one of the greatest
Speaker 1: accomplishments in Islamic history. That out of all the military conquests,
Speaker 1: we could have never imagined the influence we now exert
Speaker 1: within Western Europe. And that that was right out of
Speaker 1: the mouth of aragon It's like, so the player, the
Speaker 1: power players in the Muslim world absolutely see this in
Speaker 1: a militaristic framing. They you know, this is not oh
Speaker 1: some of our you know, compatriots are now live in
Speaker 1: Germany and England and France. No, they look at it as, oh,
Speaker 1: this is wonderful. Look at all these young men have there.
Speaker 1: We're going to take it over.
Speaker 2: I mean the mayor is Sadik Khan is a mayor
Speaker 2: of London. I think he's also a Fabian socialist too,
Speaker 2: so so yeah, the Fabian socialist alliance with Islam again
Speaker 2: is over one hundred years old, and that's explicitly to
Speaker 2: totally change the West.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar is Islam pretty sympathetic with socialist ideas.
Speaker 2: I mean so in the Qur'an itself. I think the
Speaker 2: the idea of takiya is over exaggerated. It's not that
Speaker 2: Muslims are like literally told in all these cases to lie.
Speaker 2: But there is a statement in the Koran where it says,
Speaker 2: when you are in the minority, you pretend to be
Speaker 2: the friend and the you know, flexible one.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Then when you're the majority, it's a it's you can
Speaker 2: become militaristic.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she moon points to that. All. I forget
Speaker 2: the exact reference, but it is there. It's kind of
Speaker 2: early on in the kron. I forget the exact reference,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it says up.
Speaker 1: So, regarding everything that's going on, is there any event
Speaker 1: or region in particular that you kind of have your
Speaker 1: eyes out looking at what I mean, what what are
Speaker 1: kind of your thoughts? Obviously it's speculation, but moving forward,
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Europe with all this mass immigration and
Speaker 1: the negotiations with Israel and Hamas and some of the
Speaker 1: I think Katar is leading the negotiation. They're supposed to
Speaker 1: be like the middleman and creating some type of settlement.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on all this?
Speaker 2: A lot of those Gulf states are also long time
Speaker 2: you know, Western CI allies, like the absolutely Tim mac
Speaker 2: Isin even years ago reported on King of Saint of Jordan,
Speaker 2: like he was just bought off by the seat, Like
Speaker 2: all they all they have to do is like basically
Speaker 2: just flying and like bring a chest of goal or
Speaker 2: a bag of money and they just give it to
Speaker 2: these guys so that they're kind of easy to buy off.
Speaker 2: But it's the same with Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan, right,
Speaker 2: that was famously reported on many times that the CIA
Speaker 2: would just bring him duffle bags of money. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I just see myself as a student of
Speaker 2: this stuff. I don't even really know where it's going
Speaker 2: or how to project the the you know, what's what's
Speaker 2: going to happen? I mean, I think that you know,
Speaker 2: in the future, we will be contending with more and
Speaker 2: more Islam, which it's just it's I mean, when you
Speaker 2: get into it, it's just so silly, like it's it's
Speaker 2: kind of it's kind of amazing really that people fall
Speaker 2: for it. And I understand, like you're saying, like the
Speaker 2: young dudes are just searching stuff online. They don't know anything,
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, yeah, like what about one God
Speaker 2: versus like the trinities like exactly, I understand if you're
Speaker 2: at that level, you might think, oh, well, this is
Speaker 2: like based in crowd or whatever. Right.
Speaker 1: They always present it as more believable than than the
Speaker 1: Christian worldview.
Speaker 2: And it and it's like people they don't even realize that.
Speaker 2: And like even Sneako more recently has been like did
Speaker 2: you say that clip going around.
Speaker 1: Where he's about he didn't know that he has to.
Speaker 2: It's not just the Kuran and like this basic boildown
Speaker 2: of like simple you gotta believe all the hot eats, dude, right,
Speaker 2: and have the crazy stuff in it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, and stuff right literally, So it's just it's
Speaker 2: like a it's like a cult where the people are
Speaker 2: not told like Mormonism, Like they're not told like the
Speaker 2: Inner Right. You know, space sci fi crap until you've
Speaker 2: been in it for a while.
Speaker 1: But and Sneko is a perfect example of somebody who
Speaker 1: uses their Islam as like you know, right wing talking
Speaker 1: points in defense of all this degeneracy here in the West.
Speaker 1: And look how ineffective and weak Christianity is. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys might as well just give it up. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen clips of him basically saying that. In other words,
Speaker 1: but you know, you guys are screwed because look how
Speaker 1: in a fact of Christianity is.
Speaker 2: And we can you know, it's hard to you know,
Speaker 2: it's hard to argue with the massive amount of the
Speaker 2: Roman Catholic and Protestant world that is so weak and skittles. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can see why they think that. But you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of those things are going away. You know,
Speaker 2: for example, in France, I'm pretty sure that like a
Speaker 2: bunch of Roman Catholic cathedrals and monasteries have been bought
Speaker 2: by Orthodox in the last ten twenty years. Oh really, yeah,
Speaker 2: gat So like as the Roman Catholics are dying out
Speaker 2: and you know, selling off their churches to pay all
Speaker 2: their PDF bills for their you know you know I'm
Speaker 2: talking about, Yeah, as they're paying their you know, sex
Speaker 2: scandal bills and lawsuits. They're having to sell cathedrals in
Speaker 2: the shutdown entire like churches and dioceses they've been doing
Speaker 2: an America too, they have to sell it off. So
Speaker 2: Orthodoxy's growing, you know, those things are dying out, and
Speaker 2: that's you know, when you adopt those kind of like
Speaker 2: sterile ideologies like a lot of these woke Protestant churches have.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're basically sealing your doom and ending your
Speaker 2: denomination in the next few decades, right, So those won't
Speaker 2: be exist anymore. There won't be Methodists, Lutheran mainline Protestant
Speaker 2: churches anymore. They're going to be Presbyterian. They're going to
Speaker 2: die out, and so it will be uh, you know,
Speaker 2: if tragcat stuff still exists, maybe that maybe some versions
Speaker 2: of Calvinism and Orthodoxy is all there is. Right.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the way that Russia has
Speaker 1: handled their Muslim population, because it seems like they've at
Speaker 1: least maybe again, I'm no expert on this I'm curious
Speaker 1: what your thoughts are, but it seems like they've made
Speaker 1: an explicit recognition that Russia is Orthodox, at least to
Speaker 1: some degree. But then the Muslim communities, the chechen Ins,
Speaker 1: you know, all those different they can maintain their Islamic
Speaker 1: identity under a sort of larger Russian banner, and.
Speaker 2: Yew, there's some kind of recognition of this idea of
Speaker 2: some kind of quote, you know, traditionalism that's broad enough
Speaker 2: to encapsulate Islam, because I think there's like a million
Speaker 2: Muslims in Moscow, right, so, you know, it's unfortunate. I
Speaker 2: don't like that at all, but you know, I guess
Speaker 2: it's just another it's a situation where maybe pragmatically, they're
Speaker 2: forced to do it.
Speaker 1: But I wrote one article that Putin spoke explicitly about
Speaker 1: Slavic people's need to have three to four children per
Speaker 1: because they're being you know, they're yeah, they're being out
Speaker 1: populated by the smaller Muslim communities in southern Russia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have heard that too. And you know, so
Speaker 2: we see a lot of good statements. Hey, Jamie, good news,
Speaker 2: Mamy expresso, thank you. You know, maybe as the world
Speaker 2: continues to wake up to Orthodoxy. Again, one of the
Speaker 2: great things has people been pointing out, like the Internet,
Speaker 2: the Internet's been pretty bad for Islam. Yeah, it's like it's.
Speaker 1: Been great for Orthodoxy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, and it might it might be the case
Speaker 2: that you know, early on a lot of idiot twenty
Speaker 2: year old dudes maybe search it out. But like, you know,
Speaker 2: we just had that debate with Shamoon on Fresh and
Speaker 2: Fit a few months ago that three to four million people.
Speaker 2: You read the comments and it's like fifty thousand comments,
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent saying that you know, Islam is not
Speaker 2: doing well on the internet, right, So you know, they
Speaker 2: might have a lot of money to put into propaganda,
Speaker 2: but I don't think that. It's just it's kind of
Speaker 2: foreign to the West and the only way it can
Speaker 2: can see it in the West is when they import
Speaker 2: foreign peoples to the West. Right, So the more that
Speaker 2: we stop, you know, the open border nonsense, perhaps that
Speaker 2: would help to stem the tide of the of the
Speaker 2: lunacy of this crazy cult.
Speaker 1: Last question before we get into super chats. Kind of
Speaker 1: a bit of a diversion, but what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on we were talking and we've talked about the intelligence agencies,
Speaker 1: the utilization of Islam. Uh, these false dialectics, And I'm
Speaker 1: curious what your thoughts are with the Trump administration. We're
Speaker 1: supposed to get some of the Epstein files that was
Speaker 1: a food gays operation there. They had some influencers come
Speaker 1: out with a binder of everything that was publicly avail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. We may still got them. I
Speaker 2: may not. Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did release the JFK files. But do you
Speaker 1: I'm curious in your geopolitical analysis, what do you see
Speaker 1: happening with this Trump administration. In my perspective, it looked
Speaker 1: like it's sort of domestic policies that are gonna maybe
Speaker 1: hurt in the short term with tariffs and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: but he's going to be good long term beneficially for
Speaker 1: like an economic engine. But it feels like this is
Speaker 1: totally tight at the hip with Zionism, and that Christian
Speaker 1: Zionism specifically is now like the official voice of Christianity
Speaker 1: in America with Pastor PAULA. White heading the Faith Office
Speaker 1: in the White House, and we have Hegsath talking about
Speaker 1: how he wants to rebuild the Third Temple, and so
Speaker 1: within the Trump administration, we have all these Christian Zionists
Speaker 1: that are sort of accelerationists.
Speaker 2: It's because you know, the JFK files do contain many
Speaker 2: things that implicate certain Middle Eastern countries, which I've been
Speaker 2: talking about who last week, and I did not expect
Speaker 2: that to be there. So you know why or what's
Speaker 2: going on, I don't know, but you know, you do
Speaker 2: have people who have talked about that, like Roger Stone,
Speaker 2: very close to Trump. Yeah, and I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: I grew with everything that these people, you know, argue
Speaker 2: or say, it's just these are these are the facts.
Speaker 2: And that was a very controversial thesis, you know, put
Speaker 2: out by Michael Collins Piper twenty years ago in his book.
Speaker 2: I read it at the time, and you know, you
Speaker 2: just couldn't even talk about that for a long time.
Speaker 2: So I'm surprised to see that there is, particularly in
Speaker 2: regard to all the stuff about James Jesus Angleton, who
Speaker 2: was a mega you know, Israeli a file. He was
Speaker 2: the CIA station chief in Rome for a long time,
Speaker 2: and then he became a.
Speaker 1: More of the mediator between Israeli intelligence and US intelligence.
Speaker 2: So everything again, people who knew that and talked about
Speaker 2: that for the last twenty years you were very I mean,
Speaker 2: his role with being pro Israel was public, but this
Speaker 2: idea of a back channel was theory. And if you
Speaker 2: talked about that, I mean, you would be derided, to
Speaker 2: say the least. I mean you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like you have do you have any hope that there
Speaker 1: is a you know, quote unquote it's being repackaged as
Speaker 1: sort of a regime change in Washington. I feel pretty
Speaker 1: skeptical about it. Is it just yet to be seen?
Speaker 1: What are your do you feel like there's you know,
Speaker 1: is there a sort of regime change or is the
Speaker 1: the the again, this this deeper higher Anglo American establishment,
Speaker 1: is it still behind the wheel? Even you know, Trump
Speaker 1: can do all his the stuff that he wants to
Speaker 1: do or or you know, domestic policy stuff like that
Speaker 1: economic stuff, but the ship's moving in the same direction.
Speaker 2: There is some degree of opposition from you know, the
Speaker 2: administration because you know, all these people, what does is
Speaker 2: talking about and uncovering like all this you know JFK files,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like we if we got the JFK
Speaker 2: falls a film like we probably will get the jeff
Speaker 2: Stein mcaffree files. You know, maybe they won't be too reducted.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see, but there's definitely a real awakening
Speaker 2: in the country. It's always hard to say in terms
Speaker 2: of the administration, uh itself. I don't I don't follow
Speaker 2: a lot of the day to day stuff because I'm
Speaker 2: usually trying to focus on the more you know, meta
Speaker 2: political stuff and the geopolitics. But uh, I think good
Speaker 2: things are happening. I like, I try to be positive
Speaker 2: about those things. You know. One thing I keep saying
Speaker 2: is we've been under such intense mind control for so
Speaker 2: many decades and so much mainstreaming of brainwashing and just nonsense.
Speaker 2: It's not all going to be fixed in one administration,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, we're gonna be We're
Speaker 2: going to be crawling out of this mess for decades.
Speaker 2: But we're seeing a lot of I look, we're seeing
Speaker 2: a lot more good things than I would have ever happen.
Speaker 2: Even as that as some of this of.
Speaker 1: Those and in regarding that false dialectic, one of the
Speaker 1: things that I'm sure you would agree with this You've
Speaker 1: talked about it, but with this uh sort of valorization
Speaker 1: of Elon Musk. Not that I'm not against dog, I
Speaker 1: think it's fantastic find you know, finding all this corruption USAI,
Speaker 1: d all that stuff is fantastic. But I was speaking
Speaker 1: with an Orthodox Christian and they were talking about how
Speaker 1: great Musk is and thinking, man, I wonder if he's
Speaker 1: going to become Christian. I'm like, dude, no, Like you
Speaker 1: realize that creating a more efficient and robust America for
Speaker 1: his domestic production and in creating, I mean, he is
Speaker 1: a transhumanist. He is one world order figure. I mean,
Speaker 1: he spoke openly about this, and he speaks you know,
Speaker 1: in one in one article, he'll say that we're summoning
Speaker 1: the demons through the AI, and then literally in this
Speaker 1: in the next paragraph will say, well, the only way
Speaker 1: to stop it then is we have to fuse with
Speaker 1: it so that we can control the AI from within
Speaker 1: or something. So you look at all these corporations that
Speaker 1: he's been creating in the last like two or three years,
Speaker 1: it's all at the technocracy. It's all for a global technocracy.
Speaker 1: And so I just find that really interesting that here's
Speaker 1: so many people that are happy that he's supporting Trump
Speaker 1: and he's MAGA, and it's like, well, multiple things can
Speaker 1: be true. He can be cutting fraud and abuse and
Speaker 1: making the US government more efficient. But the reasons why
Speaker 1: he's doing this is for a goal in twenty to
Speaker 1: thirty years for what he's going to have in place
Speaker 1: and the economic engine that's going to be behind it.
Speaker 1: And I've found that a lot of people aren't seeing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's definitely a wild card. I don't
Speaker 2: I try to remain detached and you know, just look
Speaker 2: at what's happening, and I hope for the best. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly where he's He's just a wild card.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to read him because it's like,
Speaker 2: you see this, we'll do this, and it's seen, was
Speaker 2: like really based, then we'll do this other thing. It's like,
Speaker 2: well is he does? It's just kind of like it's
Speaker 2: in coherent. I don't really understand what's going on. And
Speaker 2: but I do think that if you you know, if
Speaker 2: you want to keep it to the most positive possible
Speaker 2: like attitude, that we could have. You know, Jacques Attali
Speaker 2: in his book, you know he's mega globalist, he says
Speaker 2: in his two thousand and six book Brief History of
Speaker 2: the Future, he says, as globalists, we must be concerned
Speaker 2: that that America does not get into real Christianity. He
Speaker 2: actually sayes that. He says because the major threat that
Speaker 2: we could experience to our hegemony would be a revival
Speaker 2: of some kind of what he calls this his words,
Speaker 2: theocracy in America, and he says that there could be
Speaker 2: a reaction against what we do in America turning to
Speaker 2: a theocracy, which means we must guard against. So even
Speaker 2: the global leats are concerned and worried that the religious
Speaker 2: right might make power moves. And I'm not saying that,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not really doesn't really have anything to
Speaker 2: do directly with Musk. But if you're talking twenty thirty
Speaker 2: forty years in the future, like I mean, Elon Musk
Speaker 2: might not be around by then, you have a next
Speaker 2: generation if Christianity, Orthodox Christianity grows, I mean, you could
Speaker 2: have an Orthodox Christian American empire. That's like technologically, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like I'm not trying to be
Speaker 2: overly optimistic and silly about it or today.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, Saint Paisi with multiple saints regarding eschatology,
Speaker 1: believe that at least in their in their framework, and
Speaker 1: this is from saints from specifically Russia, Romania and Greece
Speaker 1: is that there'll be a great World war and then
Speaker 1: Orthodoxy is going to go through a golden age, right,
Speaker 1: and that it's gonna it's gonna have massive explosion around
Speaker 1: the world, and that this is the prerequisite before an
Speaker 1: actual Antichrist or anything like that.
Speaker 2: That there that would fulfill post millennial in my view,
Speaker 2: which I've always been post mill but I know that
Speaker 2: some people are all mill I think in Orthodoxy you
Speaker 2: can be either one. But if that was the case,
Speaker 2: that that would fulfill that right. Well, the idea of
Speaker 2: a mass you know, orthodox conversion of the world right.
Speaker 1: Which which would make a lot of sense. And one
Speaker 1: of the things we've already seen these hit pieces from
Speaker 1: like the New York Posts and stuff kind of characterized
Speaker 1: this massive growth in Orthodoxy here within the last since
Speaker 1: twenty twenty so within now the last five years, as
Speaker 1: something nefarious. Young men searching for identity. Right, these people
Speaker 1: are so.
Speaker 2: Bad, wanting to have a family and wanting to be
Speaker 2: moral and wanted to work out and go to church.
Speaker 2: It's so bad, right.
Speaker 1: Right, But I could see potentially that growth leading to
Speaker 1: You've talked about Operation Gladio, and you know, Glowe's I've
Speaker 1: talked with Orthodox people that believe like there's been some
Speaker 1: strange people that have come to services that they weren't no, yeah,
Speaker 1: or kind of you know, and trying to keep track
Speaker 1: on this and potentially if if you know, as Father
Speaker 1: Turbo Qull says, you can't be a Zionist and be
Speaker 1: an Orthodox Christian based on some of the things that
Speaker 1: have come out from the papacy and the general growth
Speaker 1: of Christian Zionism and Protestantism, I could see a future
Speaker 1: where we're the only one that aren't like Zionists, and
Speaker 1: that could be used as a sort of threat to
Speaker 1: the establishment to some sort. But obviously it's not going
Speaker 1: to win in the end, because according to at least
Speaker 1: all the saints in the Elders, there's going to be
Speaker 1: a massive golden age of Orthodoxy. And I've took with
Speaker 1: multiple priests on this channel and they believe what we're
Speaker 1: witnessing now is just like the beginning of this process.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I hope so, and yeah, that's
Speaker 2: definitely possible that you could have some sort of a
Speaker 2: you know, reaction where where Christianity and America ends up
Speaker 2: split between you know, or the our Christianity and then
Speaker 2: some sort of weird But but the thing is that
Speaker 2: one reason I wouldn't be too concerned with that right
Speaker 2: away would be, you know, the Catholic version of their
Speaker 2: novis orto weird statements about I guess certain groups. It's
Speaker 2: even that's not like, that's pretty divorced still from like
Speaker 2: the evangelical dispensationalist attitude. And so I don't know that
Speaker 2: that you could link, like, I don't think those groups
Speaker 2: would would match too well. They would that wouldn't be
Speaker 2: a very I mean.
Speaker 1: Patriot or something like claim to be a Catholic.
Speaker 2: Didn't even know that, But I mean, I just I
Speaker 2: can't really see like John Hagy and all of his crew, like,
Speaker 2: you know, with a bunch of Roman Catholics. It just
Speaker 2: doesn't seem that doesn't seem like that would work too well.
Speaker 2: But you know, who knows, only thirty forty years, a
Speaker 2: lot of these entities might not even exist anymore. They
Speaker 2: might just literally just die out with no new converts.
Speaker 1: I suspect Protestantism will for all intentsive purposes die out
Speaker 1: within the next century. I can't I just cannot see
Speaker 1: how that's going to survive. It brings very little to
Speaker 1: the table in regards to sacraments, mysticism, well.
Speaker 2: Also sterility, like you're not going to have young families.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the old oldest cohorts of Sunday attendees. I
Speaker 1: did a stream. It was like in America it was Buddhist, Hindus,
Speaker 1: Orthodox Christians and Muslims were like the only group that
Speaker 1: the average attendee was below the age of forty.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, so yeah, nobody under forty wants these dead,
Speaker 2: sterile Protestant churches which are like hanging giant you know,
Speaker 2: rainbow and BLM banners everywhere that nobody wants that.
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Speaker 2: I got a question for you.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna do a stream tonight. It was gonna
Speaker 2: be earlier before, but I forgot I had to do
Speaker 2: an interview with John Heares today, so I moved tonight's
Speaker 2: Geza Pyramids stuff. Everybody's talking about the Giza Pyramids and
Speaker 2: the columns and all that. Now you get a stream
Speaker 2: about go Beckley tepee and did you make it members
Speaker 2: or something? I can't find it.
Speaker 1: Uh no, it shouldn't have been. I think it's still
Speaker 1: on the channel.
Speaker 2: Because I tried to search it. I couldn't find it.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's title something different, but yeah, I'll love I
Speaker 2: want because I know in your stream you talked about
Speaker 2: how there's not really any evidence of this being made
Speaker 2: by tech or whatever. It could just be human. I
Speaker 2: think that's what your argument. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to.
Speaker 2: I wanted to clip that and talk about that on
Speaker 2: tonight's stream. But tonight I'm gonna be talking about the
Speaker 2: claims about the pyramid, what the evidence may or may
Speaker 2: not suggest. I'll also be talking about some of these
Speaker 2: other megaliths and ancivilizations and this kind of stuff, because
Speaker 2: I haven't talked about that in probably five or six years.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the on the Geeze pyramid findings.
Speaker 2: It's interesting I can. I still can't discern how legitimate
Speaker 2: the claims of the underground tunnel things are because I
Speaker 2: keep getting conflicting data. I've looked at it for like
Speaker 2: two days straight, and Grock keeps contradicting on it. I
Speaker 2: can't tell whether that's just while conjecture or if it's
Speaker 2: actually there. So it's not in the original paper. But
Speaker 2: now suppose that the same people from that paper have
Speaker 2: a new paper which is not yet peer review, but
Speaker 2: they're making these claims. So if it's true, it would
Speaker 2: suggest totally different history of that region and maybe even
Speaker 2: like Nefhelm type stuff if it's true. But it may
Speaker 2: not be true. So have you looked at it at all?
Speaker 1: I've been looking at it a little bit, but like you,
Speaker 1: I got just in my cursory search. This was a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. I started to see that there
Speaker 1: was a few exaggerations from what I was seeing by
Speaker 1: people online about it, okay, and they were, you know,
Speaker 1: they were a little bit more conspiratorial. So they immediately
Speaker 1: went to Graham Hancock law, civilization, ancient technology, that type
Speaker 1: of worldview, and it leads at least from them. What
Speaker 1: I'm hearing is the narrative that it leads credence to
Speaker 1: like the pyramids being like pyramids of energy, and that
Speaker 1: the you know these coils that are amongst.
Speaker 2: These Yeah, that's like it's a giant battery or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know all that, but like if there's structures,
Speaker 2: I mean, that could suggest just you know, just a
Speaker 2: whole other underground city or yeah.
Speaker 1: And and that's where I've I've done streams on like
Speaker 1: ancient aliens and stuff like that, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of natural explanations. I think
Speaker 1: that the the ancients weren't as totally ignorant as we
Speaker 1: think they are, right, and if we watched the ind
Speaker 1: I think that they thought in such a larger time frame.
Speaker 1: And we think of building a pyramid, we like expect
Speaker 1: it to be done within two years, like we have
Speaker 1: the you know, these people are thinking in generations, and so.
Speaker 2: They would think about cathedral building for one hundred.
Speaker 1: Years exactly, and that's medieval, that's you know, so we're
Speaker 1: talking ancient period. So but you know, what, do you feel,
Speaker 1: like Graham Hancock sort of if let's just speculate if
Speaker 1: there's this sort of redating because everybody wants to go
Speaker 1: back to the twelve thousand year periods. So when go
Speaker 1: Blacky TEPI, that's the whole thing is like, oh, we
Speaker 1: had advanced humans of the fingerprints of the gods. There
Speaker 1: you go.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was going to cover fingerprints of the gods.
Speaker 1: I think that's the astro theology of how Leo and.
Speaker 2: I think that it's fun and interesting to speculate, and
Speaker 2: you know, I think everybody has a phase of where
Speaker 2: you read Grand Hancock and you get that stuff, and
Speaker 2: I did two of my twenties. I do think there's
Speaker 2: genuinely mysterious things that we don't know how they you know,
Speaker 2: megaliths and lost cities and underground civilizations and all that
Speaker 2: that stuff does get The fact there was one, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the recent one in
Speaker 2: China was pretty mind blowing. There was a village in
Speaker 2: China and they had this ancient sort of water well
Speaker 2: that was kind of pouring water out of a rock
Speaker 2: and it was not that big of a like cistern
Speaker 2: type thing that had been there, and everybody in the
Speaker 2: village just knew it as oh, that's the ancient you
Speaker 2: know water well. We don't even know where the water
Speaker 2: comes from. It's just the ancient sacred water well. So
Speaker 2: they drained it somehow, and then they brought in this
Speaker 2: team of archaeologists and all this, and they started digging
Speaker 2: around it, and they found tunnels, and they found an
Speaker 2: entire underground city with giant columns, not as giant as
Speaker 2: the Egyptian court, but pretty amazing like this, and it's
Speaker 2: so old nobody knows what it is. Like the Chinese
Speaker 2: are like, you know, we don't even know. Nobody remembers,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I do think there's
Speaker 2: these fascinating instances of stuff like this law civilizations and
Speaker 2: like you said, like there's no reason to jump to
Speaker 2: aliens or this nonsense. And most of the people who
Speaker 2: are you know, claimants of that kind of stuff, like
Speaker 2: very Bondanik and these like these people are frauds, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like they exposed as frauds. So
Speaker 2: but I do think it's possible, if I was to
Speaker 2: admit anything, if the Genesis six narrative, and if the
Speaker 2: Titan narrative that's in some of the deepconomical text is true,
Speaker 2: it's possible that, you know, the Book of Enich is
Speaker 2: describing a period when you had aberrations in the ancient
Speaker 2: world that perhaps required worship in human sacrifice at these sites,
Speaker 2: and that is what led to a global flood. So
Speaker 2: if these ancient civilizations had this thing going on, I
Speaker 2: mean Plato talks about Atlantis being he doesn't mention giants
Speaker 2: or tech, but he says, you have this ancient civilization,
Speaker 2: it was destroyed like that God flooded it. So you've
Speaker 2: got a lot of at the Station two. You know,
Speaker 2: global flood myths in China.
Speaker 1: And that's where Hmcock and Randall Carlson. I mean, Randal
Speaker 1: Carson is essentially proven and he's a New Age guy.
Speaker 1: He's in the like the Sacred Jount, but he has
Speaker 1: shown that there was a massive global flood that happened,
Speaker 1: and that's just a historical fact. And it wasn't some
Speaker 1: regional thing like I think what the typical narrative of
Speaker 1: like the archaeologist was that these floods were like regional events.
Speaker 1: He's saying, no, no, no, this was massive, This like
Speaker 1: covered all like aspects of North America. This was not
Speaker 1: a regional flood.
Speaker 2: Yeah. At the beginning, well, I mean, you know, fingerprints
Speaker 2: of the gods he talks about early on, like the
Speaker 2: is it down where the Anasca lines are? Is a
Speaker 2: Peru that the Peruvians have a flood myth as well,
Speaker 2: and they had this this prophecy of this you know
Speaker 2: teacher who after the great flood, you know, told them
Speaker 2: to live righteously and don't kill each other and kind
Speaker 2: of giving him a basic kind of Ten commandments kind
Speaker 2: of morality. So, you know, I think it's okay to
Speaker 2: speculate within reason, right, you know, about this ancients, because
Speaker 2: I just feel like we don't really know about the
Speaker 2: ancient world, no.
Speaker 1: So, and so many sources have been corrupted, like and
Speaker 1: there's been a historical narrative to to reframe things that
Speaker 1: have happened. So it's so hard to like fully get
Speaker 1: a grasp of the ancient world and like what they
Speaker 1: are capable of, what they could do, what they couldn't do.
Speaker 1: But it is fun and exciting sort of leading edge
Speaker 1: thought of like rediscovering our past and maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: what we thought it was, but what I feel and
Speaker 1: I'll move on here. But I've never seen anything regarding
Speaker 1: some of these ancient legends that actually contradict the Biblical worldview.
Speaker 1: If anything, it typically reinforces it. It's just that so
Speaker 1: many people are new age that are into these topics
Speaker 1: immediately go to the ancient alien thing or some type
Speaker 1: of you know, advanced technology. But if you're just a
Speaker 1: traditional Christian, like a lot of this stuff kind of
Speaker 1: fits in a totally in accord with my worldview, I
Speaker 1: don't see where you have to appeal to all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's ancient Chinese flood myth, which is at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the I chain, right, yep, there's the Gilgamesh
Speaker 2: legend yoga match epic. I remember in Bible college we
Speaker 2: talked about how there's a flood story in Gilgameshe epic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's fair. And then you have you know, Peruvian
Speaker 2: flood myth as well. So I mean, if the it
Speaker 2: makes me think of another section in the Graham Hancock
Speaker 2: thing where he took You've heard of the Periorus map, right,
Speaker 2: I mean just speculating here, like if that map really
Speaker 2: is describing some different, you know, underlying land underneath the ice.
Speaker 2: I mean, perhaps a giant flood is what changed that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like to me, a lot
Speaker 2: of these things sound like a flood would explain a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Well, I have to check out your stream tonight.
Speaker 1: That's going to be pretty fascinating. Because I have not
Speaker 1: done a full deep dive. I came up to conflicting narratives.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, maybe this stuff was just overhyped.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, what.
Speaker 2: Do you think about go Beckley Tepee? Like, uh, I
Speaker 2: remember you're The claim is that like some of the
Speaker 2: rocks are cut in a way that they couldn't do
Speaker 2: back then or something.
Speaker 1: Right, yep, And that they basically this was technology that
Speaker 1: was superior to what they had. And then the carbon dating,
Speaker 1: which even then carbon dating isn't like rock solid, but
Speaker 1: according to some of the carbon dating and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: they are saying that this is the best site to
Speaker 1: push back the timeframe to twelve thousand years ago. And
Speaker 1: that's why Graham Hancock is so adamant about that particular
Speaker 1: tie because that if it is true, because he has
Speaker 1: some scientific credence to redating that site to potentially twelve
Speaker 1: thousand years ago if that's the case, and he believes
Speaker 1: that they built an entire city and then buried it,
Speaker 1: which I'm not sure quite sure how that makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense, but that's why they claim it so preserved.
Speaker 1: And there was a guy that I listened to that
Speaker 1: recently went on Rogan. This was maybe within the last
Speaker 1: six months, but he claims that there's like a huge
Speaker 1: effort in Turkey to no longer excavate any more of
Speaker 1: that site. And then the theories abound. Is it because
Speaker 1: of it totally reshapes ancient history or is it because
Speaker 1: if they if they keep it partial, they make more
Speaker 1: money through tourism that wants to come and like see it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's debated, but he recently was
Speaker 1: bringing this up. I think he's the guy I forget
Speaker 1: his name, but he's done a lot of stuff on
Speaker 1: Atlantis and like arguing that it was that place inside
Speaker 1: the Sahara Desert. If you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: There's here. Let me pull this up, so Google maps,
Speaker 1: if you go to Bam Bam and Mauritania. If I
Speaker 1: go here to like the layers here, there's this right here,
Speaker 1: so you see this like massive circle.
Speaker 2: Oh, this would be the consent.
Speaker 1: Yes, So he claims this is actually the city of Atlantis,
Speaker 1: and so they've done work here. Now it's really hard
Speaker 1: to do any research because it's literally out in the
Speaker 1: middle of the Sahara and it's super hard to stay
Speaker 1: out there for long periods. This apparently was all underwater
Speaker 1: at least the water was rounded at one point. Huh.
Speaker 1: And so there's been multiple archaeologists in this. Guy has
Speaker 1: a large YouTube channel. He's been on Rogan He thinks
Speaker 1: and makes the affirmative claim that this is Atlantis right here.
Speaker 2: Huh. So I did not know, I'm not you. Have
Speaker 2: you seen some of these claims of like like they
Speaker 2: found like a giant pyramid I think in Serbia.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I have not looked into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was interesting because and the reason I think
Speaker 2: that I'm going for a memory here, but the reason
Speaker 2: I mean it may not be Serbia, maybe somewhere in Macedonia, remember,
Speaker 2: somewhere in that region. Because the thought was, well, pyramids
Speaker 2: and ziggorots are you know, not caucaus of stuff that's
Speaker 2: Middle East or you know, ziggorotes in Latin South America
Speaker 2: or whatever. But if there's ziggorots or assume that there's
Speaker 2: a pyramid in Serbia, that would be pretty interesting, wouldn't
Speaker 2: that In terms of the ancient world. And then there's another. Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm split on the one in Antarctica because you know
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Uh, there's a claimed pyramid there, which
Speaker 2: sometimes when I look at him, like it's just a mountain,
Speaker 2: and then from other angles it's like that looks like
Speaker 2: a pyramid.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I don't know what that is. I saw
Speaker 1: something wasn't like the largest pyramid ever found was recently
Speaker 1: in like Indonesia or something. I thought it was in
Speaker 1: Southeast Asia. And this was a thought. It was like
Speaker 1: I think if you if you did a YouTube or
Speaker 1: just an internet search would pop up. But it was
Speaker 1: a Southeast Asian country. I can't remember exactly, but it
Speaker 1: looked like it was part of a mountain. But it
Speaker 1: turned out to be like what they believe to be
Speaker 1: as a man made pyramid, and supposedly it's the found.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I didn't know that. So let me see
Speaker 2: Bosnian pyramid claims the Mystery of Bosnias. Now this is
Speaker 2: actually in a even like mainstream nor mey right, this
Speaker 2: is Smithsonian. Let's see what they say. Because I knew
Speaker 2: I'd read about this. I'm not sure how legit they
Speaker 2: take it to be. They might be deblooking it. But
Speaker 2: Visoko Bosnia, Bosnian pyramids, that actually that looks like a pyramid,
Speaker 2: I mean, that does not look like a mountain if
Speaker 2: you look it up, I mean from certain angles, that
Speaker 2: looks like a straight up like well.
Speaker 1: And in China, I went to the Terracotta Warriors, which
Speaker 1: is in Chian, the ancient capital of ancient China. And
Speaker 1: when I was there, just within like the last decade,
Speaker 1: so that I was there. I went there in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: and they had said within the last decade it was
Speaker 1: discovered that what looked to be it just looked like
Speaker 1: a big hill turned out to be a man made structure,
Speaker 1: and that they had buried an emperor. And they recently
Speaker 1: through sonar and stuff because they can't go in it
Speaker 1: because they believe it's booby trapped and has all these
Speaker 1: poisons and stuff because it's apparently, according to them, it's
Speaker 1: filled with Terracotta warriors soldiers that were close to the emperor,
Speaker 1: and a bunch of treasure inside. But they believe, based
Speaker 1: on their understandings of these structures, that it's like booby
Speaker 1: trapped and if you go in there, there's poisons, mercury,
Speaker 1: all types of stuff. To try to kill somebody if
Speaker 1: they were to take any of the treasure. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was I mean that's in the two thousands, right
Speaker 1: next to a major museum in China, and they just
Speaker 1: realized that a big hill was actually a man made structure.
Speaker 2: Huh. So they also found something recently too in one
Speaker 2: of the Latin South American countries, like was it Aztec
Speaker 2: or like a Maya or Inca, like a j underground
Speaker 2: tunnel network that had never been discovered before. It was
Speaker 2: pretty recent. Oh I got to find that. One of
Speaker 2: the Chinese village though, because that one. That's the craziest.
Speaker 2: I think all this might be. It's called the long
Speaker 2: U Caves. Have you heard of this? I think this
Speaker 2: is it. Let me make sure cas l O n
Speaker 2: Gyou caves. I think this is it. Yes, this is it.
Speaker 2: So it was just some village and then just drained
Speaker 2: the water and they found this giant underground structure. I
Speaker 2: don't even think they know like what it is. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: like what like who you know? It's just forgotten, like
Speaker 2: nobody remembers or knows like what Emperor said, build me
Speaker 2: this cave?
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, it's I think that all that ancient it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: I think there's definitely a story that has yet to
Speaker 1: be told to what exactly happened and how these structures
Speaker 1: they do. And that's and that's the whole thing with Graham.
Speaker 1: Hancock's point is that all the ancients worship the stars,
Speaker 1: and so all this stuff has to do with like
Speaker 1: astrological symbolism and influence, and he kind of has a
Speaker 1: New Age spirituality where they're harnessing the power of the
Speaker 1: stars and all this different stuff. But I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not like, no, no, no, but I think
Speaker 1: he I think he has a point that there is
Speaker 1: some type of connection amongst all these ancient groups after
Speaker 1: building these structures. There's clearly a phenomenon here.
Speaker 2: Definitely an astrological like worship alignment type of thing.
Speaker 1: Right right, which absolutely yeah, I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: doubt about that. And the fact that they are all
Speaker 1: over the world, I mean, they the Eastern Island statues
Speaker 1: are still unexplainable. They don't understand how how the hell
Speaker 1: they built those like weird statues of guys that were
Speaker 1: they're found like in the ground.
Speaker 2: They're ginormous, So are they just heads or full bodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they yeah, they they've excavated some of that
Speaker 1: stuff and they're they're ginormous and it would take hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of men to try to pull those across
Speaker 1: like wooden, uh, like lumber, like timber, you know, you
Speaker 1: lay timber down to try to roll it across it.
Speaker 1: I mean it. They're huge and and apparently they're all
Speaker 1: made it all in one piece.
Speaker 2: So well, that reminds me of the Have you seen that?
Speaker 2: I think it's maybe I want to say Serbia again,
Speaker 2: but that there's this place where there's like these giant
Speaker 2: stones that kind of go out into the water and
Speaker 2: it's like it's a road.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, are you talking about Japan?
Speaker 2: Maybe Japan? I can't remember. They don't know how it
Speaker 2: got there, but it looks like it was a giant wind.
Speaker 1: They look perfectly Yeah, they're like perfect rectangles and the
Speaker 1: sharp with sharp edges, it's like, how the hell? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard of spec. I think Graham's speculation is that
Speaker 1: when the Great Flood happened, all this stuff went underwater
Speaker 1: water before it was actually above water exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: People are saying we're getting into Billy Carson territory.
Speaker 2: No, dude, I mean we're getting into Bible Genesis territory exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that's what's happening is is as you know,
Speaker 1: as time goes on, it's like the Bible is actually
Speaker 1: being proven to be more accurate than anybody supposed. So
Speaker 1: AC shout out to you. Brother throws in fifty bucks
Speaker 1: says you may share this with Jay even though he
Speaker 1: is a quantum KGB sorcer before the KGB went defunct.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Ac, David.
Speaker 2: James AGB anymore. But people still say that, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're Orthodox, you're like tied to the KGB, which
Speaker 2: is I know, the KGB has been thirty five years
Speaker 2: of defunct.
Speaker 1: So well, some of the stuff that people make up
Speaker 1: about you is just hilarious. Uh, and man, and say
Speaker 1: that you're some of the people you debate with are
Speaker 1: so incredibly dumb that.
Speaker 2: We gotta we got a popular person debate Wednesday. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be debating. Uh do you know Dasha from Red Scare.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she wants to debate Eastern Catholic versus Orthodox.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that would be Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Has no idea what she's getting into.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably troller.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, is that on your platform? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I told her she would come on the channel. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna like make up stupid questions and like
Speaker 2: assert stupid stuff that they don't believe, like just to
Speaker 2: mess with her. I'm gonna say, well, you know, the
Speaker 2: Eastern Catholics believe in eating weed on one of your holidays, right,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna mess with her.
Speaker 1: H one of the goods, throws intent, says, did Lawrence
Speaker 1: of Arabia wear Cosby sweaters and have a gay lisp?
Speaker 2: If you watch the Gertrue Bell movie with Nicole Kibben,
Speaker 2: Robert Pattinson plays to Lawrence. So so you can go
Speaker 2: watch Robert Pattinson being skittles and determine whether you think
Speaker 2: he has a lisp.
Speaker 1: Austin Detulio throws in five. Thank you very much. Brother.
Speaker 1: Brendan Turner throws in five, says Britz. Keep saying they
Speaker 1: can take back their country because look at the Spanish reconquista,
Speaker 1: but the Spanish elites weren't pro Islam. They might be cooked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we discussed that. It's it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: For Britain. I mean, I think, at least based on percentages,
Speaker 1: Germany still has a chance if it stopped like in
Speaker 1: the very near future and corrected course. But France and
Speaker 1: especially England, I mean England at the percentage now, I
Speaker 1: think it's almost twenty percent of the country. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's that you just imported it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. God bless them, though, I hope.
Speaker 2: I mean, could you turn it back? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a good question.
Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't without deportation, and I think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't see a single European nation outside
Speaker 1: you know, Hungry or Poland, and that'd be in a local,
Speaker 1: regional area. But I don't see any of them like
Speaker 1: deporting anybody. So I don't. I don't see how they're
Speaker 1: going to turn it back. It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1: Josiah throws in twenty Thank you so much, brother, he says,
Speaker 1: God bless you and Jay. You are both changing the
Speaker 1: world more than you know. God bless you well. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much, Josiah were humble. H BROSSI says, what's
Speaker 1: STG stand for? I don't know, so I STG. Jay
Speaker 1: has the best normy tarred americanism man voice. I don't
Speaker 1: know why a goofy ass mocking voice makes me laugh
Speaker 1: so hard when I heard it a million times.
Speaker 2: I think you're talking about one of my normy when
Speaker 2: I do the normy voice, that's what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you very much. H Brossi and Jehovah's
Speaker 1: Thickness renewed his membership. Thank you very much, says Jay
Speaker 1: talked about trauma. Do either of you have a stream
Speaker 1: specifically covering on whys and hows of trauma? Is useful?
Speaker 1: I pay for it, but import I do not have
Speaker 1: anything on trauma specific.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Jamie and I've done. We got a
Speaker 2: bunch of old archives streams about trauma based mind control. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we got a bunch.
Speaker 1: Great, So go check those out. Uh. And the best
Speaker 1: way when you're trying to find go to Jay's YouTube
Speaker 1: channel on a desktop and click on the search and
Speaker 1: then put because if you just search Jadeyer in the
Speaker 1: topic in the YouTube search bar, multiple videos do not
Speaker 1: come up. You have to go to the channel and
Speaker 1: search it. So if anybody's looking for old stuff, that's
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: What tepee stream is called I can't find.
Speaker 1: When we get off, I'll I'll go back through my
Speaker 1: channel and send it to you.
Speaker 2: Because that's an example like when I search, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't find your thing on that.
Speaker 1: And it may have I'll find out which stream it
Speaker 1: may have been titled something that was related to ancient history.
Speaker 1: So let me get off. I'll go back through my
Speaker 1: my channel and look. H Browski throws another ten says
Speaker 1: it's only a partial antidote to degeneracy. I think you're
Speaker 1: talking about Islam. The young men seeking out Islam think
Speaker 1: it's more base because they can comb with multiple wives
Speaker 1: under that view, that plus abhorrence of Protestantism. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and you've talked about this. I mean Islam is appealing
Speaker 1: to like primitive senses in man, right, so you get
Speaker 1: like it kind of has like prosperity gospel. So then
Speaker 1: you know Allah's rewarded you with money. So now you
Speaker 1: can have four wives and if you want, you can
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in Chia, you can go purchase
Speaker 1: a woman for a day. It has all types of
Speaker 1: stuff that's about like worldly.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let's not forget the most obvious of
Speaker 2: like people young, very young underage.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so Ayisha.
Speaker 2: Well but I mean PDF stuff, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah in general, yeah, the normalization of that in general. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the was it the Baka Bachi boys of Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: Those are actually pagan but oh they're not Muslim. No.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure they tolerated. But uh, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure like the Taliban was opposed to the dancing boys.
Speaker 1: Good Age Browsei said. I know it's not necessarily either
Speaker 1: of you guys placed to answer this, or maybe just
Speaker 1: don't know, but it seems to me that the Western
Speaker 1: Europeans may have lost this slow burn war thoughts. Well,
Speaker 1: I think we've already addressed it. I don't know how,
Speaker 1: and Jay already said how they're going to turn this tide,
Speaker 1: and the I don't see the gumption to do any
Speaker 1: mass deportation or totally change course. So the best they
Speaker 1: could do is just close off immigrant but there's so
Speaker 1: many people it's already changed the fabric of the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I looked it up. The practice is like
Speaker 2: an ancient, like a like a more of a pagan
Speaker 2: thing in Afghanistan, and Islamic law has tried to ban it.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that makes.
Speaker 1: Like, well, you know, one of the things I found
Speaker 1: interesting when I was doing a stream on the trans
Speaker 1: stuff was that Iran is like the world leader in
Speaker 1: surgeries that as long as you transition, it's not a sin.
Speaker 2: It's actually a world hub for that. Yeah, it's I mean,
Speaker 2: people need to understand, like especially dumb right wingers that
Speaker 2: want to think you can have the alliance with all
Speaker 2: these wacko like I mean, she A beliefs are crazy.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's not it's like, okay, so Rabbis have
Speaker 2: a crazy philosophy. Oh, I guess that means I Ran
Speaker 2: and she are good.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy exactly. No, and and yeah, and they
Speaker 1: read that, you know, I see these people will read
Speaker 1: like they'll get in like the traditionalist school and read
Speaker 1: one book on Sufism and all of a sudden, like, no,
Speaker 1: Islam's like super cool, dude, it's like neoplatonic. And it's like, no,
Speaker 1: have you looked into like the religion of it, like
Speaker 1: not just some Western portrayal of like Islamic mysticism, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's totally incurably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true that like Sufi and you know, Sheia
Speaker 2: Islam is neo platonic. But yeah, that doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: it's based and tried and good.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. H Brossi said, I'm not trying to be mean,
Speaker 1: but ex prostitutes will never stop running through those Protestant
Speaker 1: church doors. They need to shield their past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're figuring out like it's a grift, right right
Speaker 2: like people like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Pastor Nala given her dad her only fans money.
Speaker 1: Bitter Klinger says, can Jay give us a John Hagy
Speaker 1: talking about the Nephelam and Pyramids in personation.
Speaker 2: Friends, In my book In Defense of Israel, I approve
Speaker 2: that the Nephileams set up the Pyramids and they did
Speaker 2: it to fuck Israel with a giant Giza death star.
Speaker 1: Oh that was great. Uh Snagglebe's renewed as membership said,
Speaker 1: have either of you done research on dodger Land? The
Speaker 1: ruins under the north Sea lends credence to the food narrative,
Speaker 1: for sure, I've never heard of the uh. No.
Speaker 2: In fact, I write, I welcome everyone suggesting these cities
Speaker 2: and things in megalith because what you find is that
Speaker 2: there's infinite of these. There's so many discovered cities and civilizations,
Speaker 2: the megaliths. I can't even keep up with all that.
Speaker 2: I got a stack of books on him, and I
Speaker 2: can't even keep up with them. Dog girl.
Speaker 1: Interesting, No, I'm not. I am not familiar with this.
Speaker 1: And somebody was saying that the YouTube channel that I
Speaker 1: was mentioning that was on Jay Dyer and talked a
Speaker 1: lot about like the Atlanta's being in the Sahara. I
Speaker 1: believe it's called Bright Insight. It's a useful YouTube channel
Speaker 1: because it really gives you sort of he gets very
Speaker 1: deep into that worldview. So he's a very major proponent
Speaker 1: of Graham Hancock and Raynal Carlson, so he's taking their
Speaker 1: line of thought. But he's kind of always staying on
Speaker 1: top of the latest research and papers that come out,
Speaker 1: so it may be useful for research on streams. And
Speaker 1: then H. Brossey says, if this stuff with the pyramids
Speaker 1: is true, you do realize where the brothers and sistas
Speaker 1: are going with that. Right? Your cube used to be
Speaker 1: his big ass brain to do it.
Speaker 2: Y'all saw y'all saw my post. Right, I know what
Speaker 2: the energy system was for? Yeah, growing, growing the hydroponics
Speaker 2: up in there, right.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's how they talked to Anubis.
Speaker 2: Dank and notton right there. That's what that was for.
Speaker 1: Next one, Dave throws in two bucks, is has Jay
Speaker 1: heard of or heard about Egyptians in the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 2: Yes, so there was an a there's an old news
Speaker 2: article clipping that supposedly someone had found reference to or
Speaker 2: a suggestion of Egyptian hieroglyphs in the Grand Canyon. I
Speaker 2: don't know the provenance of that news clipping. One thing,
Speaker 2: I will say, that's pretty fascinating. And I learned this
Speaker 2: from Jamie because we were driving when we're on our
Speaker 2: way to Vegas, we went through this area, want to say,
Speaker 2: around New Mexico or Utah. I don't remember exactly where
Speaker 2: this was, but there's this place where there's a like
Speaker 2: a throne carved into stone out in the desert, and
Speaker 2: it has these Hebrew letters on it. And can you
Speaker 2: guess who faked that?
Speaker 1: Mormons?
Speaker 2: Yes, So, I mean, if there's a Grand Canyon thing
Speaker 2: with I mean I might be timpted to think the
Speaker 2: Mormons right stage that because they've done it in other
Speaker 2: places to prove the Mormon story of the right Hebrews
Speaker 2: in Utah or whatever. So, but I mean, then again,
Speaker 2: maybe there is some stuff we just don't know about.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Bill Hicks says, epicxtreme guys, God blessed,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Bill Nathan. We was kings back
Speaker 1: in Egypt. We was kings and h BROSSI throws. Another
Speaker 1: one says, just to get a step closer to the
Speaker 1: goal every time you guys stream it's great. I hope
Speaker 1: the asses will remember y'all in the Eschaton for the
Speaker 1: number of catechumens you brought to the faith. Well, God willing.
Speaker 1: And then we just had a couple over on Dono
Speaker 1: chat Chat TBD. Anyone here understand hypotheticals. I think we all.
Speaker 1: I think everybody here understands hypotheticals. H random use.
Speaker 2: One always ask the Muslims well.
Speaker 1: And Andrew asked all these girls about whether they ate
Speaker 1: breakfast in the morning, how they feel they didn't need it. No,
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing how people can't, like they do, not
Speaker 1: understand generalities.
Speaker 2: Right or hypothetical yeah, or even just restting what your
Speaker 2: argument is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, per capita seems to go over people's heads quite
Speaker 1: a bit. Random user said, could I beat Jay Dyer
Speaker 1: in a live debate, yes, but only under specific conditions.
Speaker 1: Chat GPT real response.
Speaker 2: I don't think chat GBT and or that great in debates.
Speaker 2: I mean we've been doing some videos experimenting with how
Speaker 2: good they are debating, and they're not that great. So
Speaker 2: I mean I found Rock to be the best because
Speaker 2: he's it's kind of like an easier version of Wikipedia
Speaker 2: that's not as lib as Wikipedia. So you know, if
Speaker 2: you're asking Rock basically questions about you know, oh when
Speaker 2: did you know when was James Angleton, the CIA desk
Speaker 2: chief in Rome, Like he can give you those kinds
Speaker 2: of things, but beyond that, it's not that great.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed any significant difference between Rock and chat GYBT.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Grock's better. I mean I haven't used
Speaker 2: I haven't used jadgybt in a few months, and it
Speaker 2: was it was pretty weak sauce dude, Like I remember
Speaker 2: asking some questions in it, like cha, the chagy of
Speaker 2: three or four months ago was literally contradicting itself within
Speaker 2: like five minutes on the same question. I'm like, right,
Speaker 2: you just told me this, But I found grow.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can get it if you respond, if
Speaker 1: you ask it a question of respond and then you
Speaker 1: are critical of the response, saying, oh, well you miss
Speaker 1: this like you can get it to sort of go
Speaker 1: off into ara.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean Grock's the same way, but I
Speaker 2: found it to be a little better.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got.
Speaker 2: Him to even admit, like Grock was even like admitting
Speaker 2: stuff about Victor Ostrowski's book, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Judeo Islamic guy says the islam talk here reminded me.
Speaker 1: I've heard it said several times that the modern world
Speaker 1: for religion was invented for British colonialism. Not sure how
Speaker 1: that works. I'm not bigly educated.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the modern world is created more or
Speaker 2: less by the British similar, that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't know nickname. First name says, haven't seen you
Speaker 1: both in a minute. What have you guys been up to.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to finish my dissertation. I'll be turning
Speaker 1: that in next week. So I think I've only streamed
Speaker 1: like once or twice this month.
Speaker 2: Besides this, I know, yeah, I know, she haven't done
Speaker 2: a whole lot.
Speaker 1: And uh, just because I've been I've been writing and
Speaker 1: formatting and getting all that stuff done. So Uh, April,
Speaker 1: I'll be back into the normal swing of things. But
Speaker 1: you were just in Uh you were in person in Texas.
Speaker 1: Didn't you just go to Texas?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were there for a funeral and then I
Speaker 2: went ahead and did uh Lord Voldemort's Show. But also, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I was finishing us to start Calley with
Speaker 2: three for the last few months. So oh, nice, got
Speaker 2: that complete. It's a I got the rough rough drop
Speaker 2: back from the editor and publisher and yeah, hopefully we'll
Speaker 2: be it'll be out in the next couple of months.
Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome, man, that's got to feel good.
Speaker 2: It was a weight off, and it was because I
Speaker 2: had really been writing a lot in the last five years.
Speaker 2: I've been doing so many podcasts and videos that getting
Speaker 2: back in the mode. And I'm sure you're experiencing that
Speaker 2: too with your dissertation. Like it, if you do a
Speaker 2: lot of podcasts and videos then you try to switch
Speaker 2: back into writing, it's like a totally different mindset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's totally different. Yes it is. And it's that's
Speaker 1: why for me is like I to do that stuff,
Speaker 1: like I just have to be engrossed in it for
Speaker 1: days at a time. I was trying to write and
Speaker 1: like stream a day, or do research your stream and
Speaker 1: then do it and then try to go back to it.
Speaker 1: It's like you can't have so many thoughts go through
Speaker 1: your head because then you lose track of all the
Speaker 1: threads that you're writing about and trying to like weave together.
Speaker 1: It's a totally different thing. And then last one on
Speaker 1: Dono chat outside one says thank you both for the
Speaker 1: great work. Curious how Russia play into utilizing its Islamic
Speaker 1: factions to influence slash warfare and too destabilization efforts. I
Speaker 1: ask as characters like Dugan speak about flooding Europe with Africans,
Speaker 1: I've never heard. Is Dugan just describing what's happening or
Speaker 1: he's I don't think Dugan ever advocates for flooding Europe
Speaker 1: with Africans.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he said that. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't I've read Dugan's books. I'm not a regular follower.
Speaker 2: I don't keep up with all the stuff that you know,
Speaker 2: Dugan talks about it. I mean, I think because I
Speaker 2: talked to him eight years ago, people assume that I'm
Speaker 2: just like right, I mean, I'm critical of his he
Speaker 2: has kind of gnostic influences in his positions and perennialist influences,
Speaker 2: and I've never been interested in those positions. So I
Speaker 2: think he's interesting to read, and he's interesting to to,
Speaker 2: you know, hear his views on stuff. But I would
Speaker 2: imagine that the way Russia projects influence and power is
Speaker 2: not the same type of ways that the West does
Speaker 2: it with total open borders. Maybe they, I mean, if
Speaker 2: you look up active measures, that's kind of been their
Speaker 2: approach to this stuff. If he listen to Mark Hackard
Speaker 2: and the interviews that we've done, you know, Russia is
Speaker 2: limited in its capabilities of what it does in foreign
Speaker 2: espionage operations. I mean, they have illegals, they have units
Speaker 2: and spies that do things like every other country. But
Speaker 2: I don't think they have the kind of capabilities of
Speaker 2: what the democratic establishment in America claims that they have,
Speaker 2: right like the Democrats or they're running everything. They've got
Speaker 2: Trump and they've got you know, Elon Musk in their
Speaker 2: pocket and they're all you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just these outlandish claims. At the same time as the
Speaker 2: same democratic media is like Russia's collapsing, They're losing the war,
Speaker 2: they're bankrupt, but at the same time they're like running
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Like none of it makes any sense. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if they have any plans
Speaker 2: of pushing open borders, but it's I guess it's possible,
Speaker 2: but I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems like Russia would be a natural nationalist ally
Speaker 1: if if the sort of globalist world, or if Trump
Speaker 1: truly was getting out of NATO and getting out of
Speaker 1: the enterprise of empire building. You know, I saw that,
Speaker 1: at least according to reports, they had that two and
Speaker 1: a half hour conversation that they wanted to establish direct
Speaker 1: flights between New York and Moscow again and open up tourism.
Speaker 1: I think that'd be that'd be great if they could
Speaker 1: get that get that done.
Speaker 2: By the way, when I mentioned active measures, I'm not
Speaker 2: referring to the documentary that is supposed to prove that
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a Russian agent. I'm referring to the
Speaker 2: actual plan from like how how Russia views its intelligence
Speaker 2: capabilities that they call active measures, which is it ranges
Speaker 2: from media to specific actions of black ops, this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. And then like because of that term, you
Speaker 2: had people latch onto that term and say, oh, we'll
Speaker 2: see that means putince involved in compromising Donald Trump and
Speaker 2: making him an operative. But it goes back to Soviet
Speaker 2: intelligence as to one of their plans of how they
Speaker 2: engage in subversion. But one of the things that was
Speaker 2: mentioned maybe ten twelve years ago was that because Russia
Speaker 2: is not as powerful as the West, they don't have
Speaker 2: the ability to engage in all the same types of
Speaker 2: operations that NATO and the West have. So one of
Speaker 2: their strategies has been to push more truth based narratives.
Speaker 2: And that's why you'll see a lot more of artsa
Speaker 2: RT for example. I mean, they're more banned and censored
Speaker 2: in the West since the war. But prior to that,
Speaker 2: you noticed that Art was pushing a lot of the
Speaker 2: same stuff that Lord Goldemart pushed, right, And that's because
Speaker 2: the idea was that it's more effective to just go
Speaker 2: after truth based narratives in terms of journalism versus the
Speaker 2: way that America runs its international disinformation networks and campaigns,
Speaker 2: which requires a lot of lying, a lot of money,
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, international writers, ap like all
Speaker 2: this stuff which turns out junk. That takes a lot
Speaker 2: more money and power and effort to run a giant
Speaker 2: network of this info. And so Russia's vantage point was
Speaker 2: that it's more effective to run truth based narratives versus
Speaker 2: massive disinfo like the West.
Speaker 1: Does right well, and to your point, I think I
Speaker 1: saw a clip of Tucker Carlson recently interviewed like Rick
Speaker 1: Sanchez or somebody used to be on Fox News or something.
Speaker 1: Now he had like a he's Cuban conservative guy American,
Speaker 1: but he has a show on RT, and he was
Speaker 1: talking about how they don't censor anything that he wants
Speaker 1: to talk about, and that RT he said he was
Speaker 1: surprised once he joined his own show. I think Larry
Speaker 1: King's on ART still that like they are huge. ART
Speaker 1: is huge in places like India and like other parts
Speaker 1: of the world, Central and South America. RT is ginormous,
Speaker 1: and so he was talking about how it's if your
Speaker 1: message is to get globally. Meanwhile, it's banned here in
Speaker 1: the United States, but he was talking about how they,
Speaker 1: like it's the only media company he's worked for that
Speaker 1: does not curate your show or your message. And gets
Speaker 1: back to your point, is like they allow people to
Speaker 1: have dissident information that's truthful and and it's built up
Speaker 1: a credibility in which that art is trusted and incredibly
Speaker 1: popular in different parts of the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a better strategy from their advantage point
Speaker 2: if you're a smaller player versus a larger Western player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes total sense. H ROSSI threw in another one
Speaker 1: that have y'all seen the Sneako video with that chic
Speaker 1: He's watch it. If not, you see firsthand why they
Speaker 1: have no arguments that don't understand ours. Yeah, we mentioned
Speaker 1: that earlier out apparently Sneak who had no idea he
Speaker 1: had to believe in the Hadith. Awesome.
Speaker 2: It's weird because people have been bringing up for a
Speaker 2: good while now, like you know, you know you're ISLAMI
Speaker 2: beliefs are more than just the Quran, right, I mean
Speaker 2: it's people.
Speaker 1: Would criticized if I remember right, like during life troops,
Speaker 1: because he would be openly critical of things in the Hadith,
Speaker 1: and then Muslims that follow him and would say you
Speaker 1: can He'd like, no, no, no, I don't question the Quran.
Speaker 1: It's just the hot eth you think you don't, you know,
Speaker 1: he'd give an example. You think that's that's real, you
Speaker 1: think that's factual. And then he talked with the She's like,
Speaker 1: who are you to who are you to judge?
Speaker 2: Well, this is what you get. This is what these
Speaker 2: idiots are going to find out the hard way. Like,
Speaker 2: maybe you should have done a little more investigating and
Speaker 2: heart out some you know, some of the opponent's positions
Speaker 2: before you jumped into this dumb cult.
Speaker 1: So last super check at is H. Brossey Again, thank
Speaker 1: you so much brother for the general support today. Say,
Speaker 1: I've come to the conclusion that the tiny hats make
Speaker 1: the right decision by not prostlytizing. They can't get past
Speaker 1: the theophanes of the in the Old Testament and might
Speaker 1: suffer the same online embarrassment as the muzzies.
Speaker 2: All right, I mean I don't. I don't think the
Speaker 2: you know, rabbinic philosophy and take in and believers are
Speaker 2: very interested in debating. They don't. Every now and then
Speaker 2: there's one who will, but it's very rare. But I
Speaker 2: thought that Sam Schuman's recent debate with that young Orthodox
Speaker 2: British Jewish guy was pretty good debate. And the whole
Speaker 2: debate ended up being about all these theophanies.
Speaker 1: So right, and then Flannams throws in five says, always
Speaker 1: enjoy when DPH and J do streams together. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you very much, brother, and Jay, I know that you
Speaker 1: got to go do his stream apologize.
Speaker 2: I moved back a little bit, so I got to
Speaker 2: eat dinner and then we'll help scream after rit dinner.
Speaker 2: But yeah, thank you for having me. It was a
Speaker 2: great conversation. I was glad to stay long.
Speaker 1: No. I I appreciate it because the overview you did
Speaker 1: on that fourth hour on InfoWars, that was the best cover,
Speaker 1: and you did it so can you only had because
Speaker 1: the breaks you only have like thirty forty minutes, and
Speaker 1: you hit on all these points about why Islam is dangerous,
Speaker 1: how it's been used as a subverting force, and why
Speaker 1: it's coming to take over in a militaristic way a
Speaker 1: Western Europe and they're not gonna be able to stop
Speaker 1: it unless they wake up.
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 1: And then to Ortho Orthodox Boom or Grandma just threw
Speaker 1: in twenty said thank you guys, thank you, and then H.
Speaker 1: Brossey said it's only right that I get past the line. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, H Brosey. So anyways, guys, that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Jay's gonna be live here after eats dinner,
Speaker 1: So go over to Jay's channel and we'll be watching
Speaker 1: him talk a little bit about the latest on the
Speaker 1: Geeza Pyramids. So God bless you guys, and I will
Speaker 1: see you in the next one as always, until then,
Speaker 1: God bless