Speaker 1: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This is David Patrick Carey
with Church of the Eternal Logos and I am joined
by author, researcher comedian Jay Dyer. How you doing today, brother?
Speaker 2: What's up? Man? So glad to be back with you.
And as I was telling you before the show, I
really appreciate you having me on to discuss this because
it's one of my favorite topics. Sam Tripley is the
only other person that's invited me on to talk about it,
So yeah, I love to nerd out about this topic.
So I really appreciate you having me back.
Speaker 1: Home, horse man. That blows my mind because we were
planning on doing this sometime the end of last year,
but you know, life and everything just keeps getting the way.
And I raped out to you after one of your
fourth hours and I was like, dude, and you basically
covered like this topic in brevety brevity. It was like
I think it was like forty some minutes. And I
was like, dude, that was fantastic. That was so much
stuff I had never heard. And You're like, oh, well
we should do a stream on it. I was like, yeah, absolutely,
So I appreciate you and all your work and coming
over here and kind of sharing some of your wisdom
with us. So you know, I'm going to be more
of a person asking questions and prying into your knowledge
because I tried to do some preliminary research on this topic,
and I was wanting to reach out to you. Maybe
there was a particular paper or something to read, or
specific books, but I'm just kind of going through the
Internet and finding blogs and stuff, and some of some
of what you mentioned was in there, but you had
a lot more details. How do you where would you
begin and introducing this topic? I mean, do you do
you start with like Lawrence of Arabia some of the
earlier where do you see this topic? It was sort
of intro into it. Maybe from the outset I could
recommend what some of the good literature on the topic
is because there's a lot, but a lot of people
don't know what that is or where to find it.
Speaker 2: So some of the books are more recent, some of
them are a few decades old. But my entrance into
this subject matter was indirect. It was through watching documentaries
back in two thousand and three. I won't say the
documentary because it might trigger something, but Jason Burmas did
a well known documentary back then, and that kind of
at first hitped me to Middle Eastern stuff, and you know,
I liked history of England and British Empire stuff, so
that's maybe my entrance into that subject matter was back then.
But I would say even throughout the two thousands, I
really didn't know a whole lot about it. And I'm
not an expert. I wouldn't say I have like a
PhD level knowledge of it, but I have a pretty
good knowledge and I've read a lot of books on it,
so I think I can speak to it. Probably the
best introductory book for this subject would be F. William
Ingdall's book Lost Hedgemon, because he goes into kind of
the layout of the Middle East and the basics of
the game plan from the West and from the competitors
to the West, which were different competitors at different times.
If you go back to the late eighteen hundreds, it
was it's called the Great Game, and this is Russia
versus the Anglo power, right, so it's the UK right,
what becomes the Atlanticist establishment during the Cold War. Lost
Hegemon is a great place to start for understanding the background. Then,
I would say for more specifically kind of what we're
talking about today. Mark Curtis, who's a Royal Society researcher.
He wrote a book called Secret Affairs, and it's a
really good five hundred page book. And I want to
stress that most of the material that I'm referencing or
talking about is not conspiracy material. So you'll notice again
Curtis is a He works for the Royal and Sugar
National Affairs. Okay, so this is up near the top
of the pyramid in the West, so it's not anything
to do with, you know, outlandish theories or whatever. I
try to stick to the academic literature on this topic.
There's another really good book that approaches it, not so
much from the UK angle as that book does, but
Robert Dreyfuss's book Devil's Game is the next book I
would recommend, and that book approaches the US's alliance with
various factions and versions of radical Islam for the last
sixty seventy years as part of the Great Game, as
part of the Cold War, and other really important texts too.
I'll just mention in passing would be probably gals Mounier.
It's m U N I E. R. Black Gold, spies.
He's a French researcher and writer, and this is the
last book I covered on the subject, and it was
it was also really good, So this might actually be
a better starting point for people who are into just
the history of the British Empire's approach to the Middle East.
And then some years back I interviewed the author's gold
and Fitzgerald, who wrote the book Invisible Empire, which is
about the history of the British Empire's approach to Afghanistan.
So those are some of the starting point texts if
you people do find this interesting. And then there's kind
of a magnum opus mega work that's very difficult, and
it's Stephen Dorrell's massive It's about a thousand page book
history six and this comes at it from a very
critical perspective. There's other texts as well, obviously tragedy and hope.
Obviously Anglo American establishment by people would be important as well.
And in the Milliner Fabian text by Jowan Ratu has
multiple chapters that are very relevant to what we're talking
about today. And this can just keep going on and on.
I mean, you can get into the history of you know,
Ian Fleming's life, and although it doesn't relate necessarily to Islam,
it gives you kind of window into you know, British
operations and you know their approach to the Great Game,
which is unique. It's earlier than the US and for
many people who may not be aware, British intelligence is
who sets up American intelligence. So you can even go
back to early as the Inquiry, which is prior to
the OSS, the first so called intelligence establishment in American
nineteen forty two under FDR and all that, and then
we get the nineteen forty seven Security Acts which creates
the CIA we know of as the CIA. So British
intelligence is who came over here and set that up
for us. So it's a pretty wild story, but this
is how we kind of get America doing what the
British Empire did, as you pointed out, back to the
time of T. E. Lawrence. So want a movie introduction
to this subject matter? Actually, yes, the Peter O'Toole famous
movie where he plays T. E. Lawrence the bisexual, perhaps
not even bisexual, perhaps just skittles of the British Empire.
But what's fascinating And I'll stop yapping after this because
and there's tons more books and documentaries. But one thing
that's fascinating is how much of this relates to the
establishment of the nation State of Israel, and this plays
into the Balfour Declaration. This plays into the establishment of
a Jewish state, which I believe it or not, many
of the pro Arabist British spies were very opposed to,
and so there was a faction amongst the British elite
Rothchilds and others who favored the nation state of Israel
being in the Middle East, and most of the Arabist
British spies actually were opposed to this, and they said
it was going to cause all these problems and wars.
It was a powder k It was you know, unfair
to the people that were there at the time, and
even that was unfair to Jews who were being put
in this sort of maybe less than desirable location for
geostrategic reasons. So they're kind of like a chess a
chess piece basically. So it's huge. It ties into oil.
It's a lot of it hass to do with oil
and resource war, and that's what a lot of the
wars are for is resources well.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I always found
just doing preliminary research, is that, like you said, this
is not a conspiracy, This is just facts that British
intelligence has been noted multiple times of encouraging radical Islamic
groups that are that are explicitly like anti West. And
when you bring up Israel, you know, the whole narrative
is that that's like a Western nation in the Middle East.
And this is one of the reasons why there's such
a great ally is that they have all this cultural
sympathies to us and the you know, expansion of the
same sort of Western project. So why is it, I
think we already know the sort of false dialectic and
everything like that, But in regards to oil control, the
expansion of Israel, how is it that British intelligence when
did they begin to really see, you know, facilitating these
hobbyists and these radical Islamic groups as a geopolitical and
strategic tool to actually gain power and expand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you go back to the period of
the British Empire when it was beginning to kind of wane,
you see competitors that they wanted to have every possible
advantage against. So those competitors were France, Turkey, the Ottomans
and Russia. So you basically have these powers involved in
a big game to control this region for multiple reasons.
Resources are a huge part of it. Hence the title
of Munye's book, Black Gold Spies. That's the oil which
once oil discovered, that kind of becomes one of the
main motivators for the British explorers and archaeologists who are
the spies. They're not really there to you know, learn
the cultures because they just let Now, some of the
people did love the cultures, right, They really did immerse
themselves in the local traditions and the ethnography of these peoples.
In fact, some of them may have actually converted to Islam.
It's hard to know whether they really were converts or
whether they were just doing it for their espionage cover,
like Saint John Philby, that's the father to Kim Philby,
the famous turncoat Soviet spy who was a British operative
during the Cold War, who, along with the other you know,
famous Cambridge spy ring went to the Soviet Union. Because
they've decided that most of them, by the way, were
also skittlesmen, so they were also compromised, and that was
part of what the KGB was very effective in doing
the Cold War was compromising skills operatives. But regardless, way
earlier than that, you had Philby's father as one key example.
Beyond probably t Lawrence is probably the most famous, but
probably the next most famous would be Saint John Philby
who went and became a He converted to Wahabism, and
he seems to have been pretty serious about it, even
if it was spy cover. He did it really well.
I mean, he'd donned the garb, he went full hobby,
and this was probably what was necessary for him to
be able to strike deals with for certain tribes and
you know, basically helped to set up what we know
of as the Saudis. So the British Empire went in
and they wanted to set up their men, put their
proxies pay off, and have their tribal chieftains right running things.
And this is what they did, not just with men's
spies like Lawrence and Saint John Philby, but and there's
many others, but also with women, which is kind of weird.
There's a couple famous British Arabist women spies, and that
might have actually been very useful precisely because they were women,
because you know, the Arabs and the tribes might not
have expected, you know, this lettered you know, frail British woman,
you know, to be a spy. But in the case
of Gertrude Bell Frey as Stark, these are two a
pretty famous, wealthy British women who ended up being British
spies who helped set up in the case of Iraq,
like basically they just chose, okay, it's going to be
even south and we create Iraq. Iraq is a created
country by the British Empire, as is Saudi Arabia. And
to get back to the main point, I'll stop yapping.
One of the ideas was to control Mecca, right, So
the British Empire thought, if we could control Mecca, that'd
be a huge positive for geopolitics in terms of how
we managing control Islam. That would be a blow to
the Ottomans. And so once the Ottomans were falling apart,
you have this secret deal called Syke's Pico and this
divides up amongst Russia, France and England the Middle East,
and this is kind of how we have the Middle
East that we know today, with many of these countries
kind of being creations of the British Empire. So you've
got like Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, these are all former
British areas. And it's not just the British. Russia and
France tried the same thing. It's just that, for whatever reason,
the British ended up being the most successful in getting
a hold of areas in the Middle East. And Napoleon
tried it, the French tried it, the Csars tried it.
They just for whatever reason, we're not as successful as
the British.
Speaker 1: How close do you so? Taking a step back in
regard to the royal family in Saudi Arabia, one of
the things that I saw, but I didn't see any
citations just looking that they believe that the British intelligence
was instrumental in placing them in power. Absolutely, What are
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's without question. I mean, it's just pretty much
that's the history. You know, there's a movie that was
just made that's not that great, but it was a
decent movie presentation of what's in the GUIs Mounier book.
Nicole Kidman actually played a Gertrude Bell in the I
don't know if it's a Netflix movie or something, but
it's like something like Woman of the Desert or something
like that. It was a okay movie. It's a little slow,
but it's I mean, it's fairly accurate according to what
they relate about her history and her background. But yeah,
so basically, Lawrence was kind of the guy for and Philby.
They were kind of the guys that were doing Wish
Empires operations in the Saudi Arabian region, and they just
chose these tribal chieftains that they had the best rapport
with and the ones that they thought, you know, would
be the most useful. And I mean, I don't have
any proof of this, but I mean I don't think
it's accidental that they sent Lawrence in who was, you know,
at least bisexual, if not just and so because he
could have been a very good operative for compromising people.
And if you think about, you know, in terms of Islam,
if somebody was compromising that way with Lawrence, I mean,
that would be the end, right, So that would be
powerful a compromise. But we'll also have to understand that
not many people realize that Lawrence was operating at the
behest of the Milner Fabian socialist circles of Lord Rothchild,
Lord Milner, Cecil Rhodes, and as handler was a guy
named David Hogarth who was known as his quote spiritual father.
He might have been his handler in more ways if
you catch what I mean, right, I'm being serious. I
mean this is I know how this stuff works.
Speaker 1: You know, I totally believe the real world here.
Speaker 2: But another thing that people don't know that's worth mentioning
in regard to the Saudi stuff is that throughout the
Middle East they had also set up quite a few
Masonic lodges, and the Masonic lodges were also a means
by which the British Empire was able to do a
lot of intelligence work. They got a lot of information
and intel through the Masonic lodges, so that played a
role which not many people know about. But Mounier mentions
that in his chapter on to E. Lawrence, And basically
they just found that. I think the key here is
that it's not so much which ideology they liked the best,
but I think that what happens is the Wahabbi Salafi
radical verse is a great destabilizing force, right, So it's
great as a kind of a cult means of controlling people.
If you can control the tribal chieftains and the you know,
emoms and all that. Uh, and it's great for destabilization
when you need to use it. And this explains actually
what the former head of Massad recently just said in
a massive interview on Al Jazeera. They asked him why
has Israel more recently been supportive of al Nustra in
Syria and the destruction of the previous Baphist you know,
assad secular type regime, nationalis type regime, And it's because
it's a destabilizing force. And that's nothing new in regard
to what the former Massadead was saying. This is just
the old British strategy that these types, these types of
Islam are great for destabilization.
Speaker 1: Right, that makes total sense. And one of the things
that I saw, I was not totally surprised, but I
thought was, oh, that's pretty interesting. Makes a lot of sense.
Is I recently did a stream maybe a month or
two ago on the city of London and it being
this sort of the second largest financial center in the world,
and how it has this black market where all this
money is flows through. So if you have if you
have dirty money, you want to do business in London.
And I found that what was it. Salad Ramadan he
was like one of the head of the Muslim Brotherhood
that when he was like leaving the Middle East, he
had refuge in the city of London. And so him
in a handful of like Muslim Brotherhood radicals. They all
like once once their gig was up, they just left
and went back to London. I thought, oh, that's interesting.
And then you connect you know, the Balfour Declaration, the
roth Child money and and and then the support for Israel.
It's like very interesting how all that stuff circulates and
it takes you always back to London.
Speaker 2: It does, and that's why people have called it Londanistan.
It's because you have a very old lineage of linking,
you know, the British elites with Islam. And there's many
reasons for that. A lot of it's tactical geopolitical, as
we've talked about in terms of the beginning of the
Great Game, but it's also because many of the British
elite structure, because of the imperial because of the expanse
of the Empire, you have many people who were committed
I mean they were aerobi files, and so a lot
of that elite power power structure. For example, Gertrude Bell,
who came from a very wealthy family, she for whatever reason,
just fell in love with all of that region. She
was she was such an odd ball as a woman,
which is totally out of character. You know, in the
in the early nineteen hundreds, she goes to Iran and
learns Farsi and starts translating Rumi's poetry, which is just
really odd for or that kind of a woman. And
I think the movie version with Nicole Kimmitt actually portrayed that.
Even though it wasn't that great of a movie, it
portrayed that pretty well. So you did have this faction
in this group that really loved it. And I think
more recently people will look at, you know, King Charles
and oh, look he's given money to the Sufi Orders,
and here he is wearing the Sufi garb, and they'll
act like he converted to Sufism. I mean maybe, but
I think from the vantage point of, you know, somebody
like him, religion is just kind of a tool for
power if you're the state. You know, most people at
that level are not perhaps ideologically committed, and so you
want to use these groups when they're useful. So it
doesn't mean you're necessarily committed to Wahabism, it doesn't mean
you necessarily committed to Sufhism, but those elements can be useful.
I mentioned Muslim Brotherhood real briefly because Muslim brother is
a great example coming out of Egypt of a group
that was created with some doobie origins. I think Albana
is a very suspicious character if you look at Dreyfus's book,
there's a great chapter on him. But they were a
broader political activist movement that wanted to expand Sunni Islam
into politics. And what's interesting about them is that the
CIA and British British Intelligence CIA made an open alliance
with the Muslim Brotherhood in the forties and fifties because
they saw them as a potential hedge against Soviets. So
just like the British Empire might want to align themselves
with say Saudi or other types of Muslims against Ottoman
Turkish dominance. Right, so you're playing one kind of Islam
against another. Same model goes on in the Cold War
where there was a period if you read moles Copeland's
biography where he says they the CIA toyed with pan
Arabism or Arab nationalism. They actually supported the Bathist at
one point, and this is why you can find those
old images of like that Saddam had CIA support when
he was early on a Bathist and you'll notice there's
a picture of him shaking hands with Rumsfeld. Right, So
there's an old CIA linkage between the Bathists and Western intelligence.
But what happened was when the Cold War kicked off,
the secular nationalist Arab pan Arabis movements were swinging more
and more towards the Soviets, and so the CIA saw
them as less of an ally and becoming more of
a threat because they might get assistance from the Soviet Union.
So that made the CIA then say, okay, now we're
going to do this older British strategy. We're going to
link ourselves up with the more radical factions and sections
of Islam. Hence the alliance with in this case Mulsom
Brotherhood in nineteen fifty six. This is called Operations Straggle,
and this was a joint venture of CIA and m
I to use a mother Brother Muslim brotherhood to stage
a coup in Syria. That coup was not successful, but
this came about because one of these women who were
British intelligence operatives that we talked about, like Gertrue Brothers,
there's no one named Freya Stark. And Freya Stark was
a woman who was sent out to do reconnaissance for
the British impart throughout the Middle East and she had
made these contacts with Muslim brotherhood figures, and Miles Copeland
in Game of Nations says, yeah, we turned to T
E R R O R because anytime Nasar gave us
a problem, and he was he was a CIA consultant
to Nasar. He says, anytime that he gave us a problem,
we could just say, well you might you might have
a little bit of a T E R R O
R problem on your hand if you don't do what
Washington and the CIA wants. So you can begin to
see how the game works.
Speaker 1: Yep, classic problem reaction solution. So you're we've kind of
discussed here a large history. Where would you pinpoint the
beginning of British intelligence involvement with Islam? Specifically? Is it
with T. E. Lawrence? I mean, where if you had
to describe the beginning of the process.
Speaker 2: Well, I think for the modern world and the Great Game,
it would be that. But I would imagine that I'm
sure the British Empire had you know, Islamic connections going
all the way back to you know, the you know
time of Elizabeth and all of that. I don't know,
It's interesting when you go back to like that time period,
there's less and less written about espionage exploits, you know,
going back into the fifteen hundreds and sixteen hundreds. But
I would imagine, you know, they had they had those
connections back then. But for what I know about is
just the more recent, you know, post to the Great
Game stuff, which you know, really the reason this is
so important for us is that we're still seeing this
play out now in the Middle like the battles and
the things that you see happening in the Middle East
where you know what Israel. I just did a live
stream the other day about Lebanon, the Cia, Syria, Jordan
and you know, all that area around Israel that's playing
out because of the presuppositions of what the British Empire
set up. So everything that we're dealing with today is
rooted in the British imperial layout and structure. And this,
for example, is why the when Israel started to have
its own wanted to exert its own power. I guess
you could say they were not happy with being a
British colony, and so you had the Irgun, the Stern Gang.
These are essentially organized crime factions who began to begin
to make moves to throw off British colonial rule. And
there were different motivations and reasons why they did that.
In fact, a lot of people don't notice, but they
were actually split between whether they wanted to support the
axis some of these I'm serious, some of these Jewish gangs,
or support of the allies. And the one reason for
that was they reasoned that, well, if the Ox's pollowers
were the enemies of the British Empire and the Brits,
and we wanted to overthrow British colonial rule, maybe we
should support those guys. It's the same reasoning why some
of the Irish Republican Army, the IRA also wanted to
support Tiny Mustache. So so just alliances of you know,
enemy of my enemy as my friend, that type stuff.
But it was actually you know, the organized crime sort
of stern gang Irraguan circles that become the nascent Israeli
intelligence service and people don't even know that guests who
trained some of them. Do you know this? You'll never
You'll never guess if you don't know quiz question.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: One of the famous trainers of these people is named
Otto Skorzeny, and he was a high level operative of
Tiny Mustache Man. Of course that's just public history, right,
so uh and when he you know, when Tiny Mustache
Man lost, just like rhin Hard Galen, that network of
spies that he had set up for Tiny Mustache Man,
that all became just immediately. The property is DA right,
so we know what we all all heard about paper clip, right,
But paper clip is also the CIA taking over rhin
Hard galen spy network throughout Europe Galen Org and one
of those nascent networks, uh is that network in Germany
is now called the B and D German Intelligent German
Intelligence is literally Galen's network that the CIA just took
over after the Cold War because they gave him a deal.
They said, you can go to prison or death, prison
for the rest of your life or death, or we
get your spine networks and we don't kill you. So
that was a deal they gave to Galen anyway. So
that again kind of tells you that like everything that
we're experiencing and living through today is situated in the
milieu of the British imperial structure.
Speaker 1: Well can you speak to because recently Cure Stormer has
talked about sending British troops to the front lines in
Ukraine and then it came out that they only actually
have like eighteen thousand like military ready soldiers in Britain,
which is I mean, I wouldn't have suspected it was
that low. That was That was kind of mind blowing
for me. So is the extension of force of whatever
remains of the British Empire? Is it now basically intelligence
agencies because it doesn't seem like they have any significant
actual military power. Is it blackmails? It, you know, spies? Intelligence?
What would how would you describe the transition of like
the fall of the British Empire into the spy networks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because the you know, at one time,
if you go back to the eighteen hundreds when the
British East India Company was at its peak, I mean
it was bringing in like some outrageous amount of money
that's like beyond even what Apple's worth, Like they were
bringing this in on a regular basis. I mean, the
East India Company was just just insanely massive in terms
of wealth and power. It really was kind of the
engine of the British Empire, and so as it waned,
I think the Crown just one day kind of just
appropriated and said, okay, the British rest Unit Company is
the property of the Crown now. So the British Crown
itself is interesting because it's kind of this entity or
corporation that owns a lot of land and a lot
of places you wouldn't expect. They're very large landholders. They
own a lot of land in Canada. I don't even
know if we know exactly how all that works. It
is intertwined with the wealth and power of the Rothchilds
as well. That's been an open, well known thing for
a long time.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Obviously they were very influential and involved in the Bank
of England as well as the Bank of France. It
quickly has many chapters on that, so you know exactly
the nature and extent of that is difficult to determine,
but the empire itself waned as America rose to power
and so it went from you know, Pax Britannia to
Pax Americana, especially after World War One and World War two,
so the US came to power. But what the British
were very adept at doing was through their sort of
concentric circles model of how to construct what they call
roundtable groups. You can have governments within governments is really
how it works, and it's based on the East India
companies model of like the committees of shareholders within the
company who had just untold you know, vast amounts of
wealth and control. So that's kind of the structure that
they modeled their empire on and quickly talks about it
like it was loosely speaking, a secret society. Calls it
the Society the Elect. This was Cecil Rhodes's idea to
create this society of the elect that would promote what
he called a world federalist socialist union, to create an
entire commonwealth of socialist type countries that would be the
new British Empire. This was the original Cecil Rhodes raw
Child John Ruskin idea. So it didn't exactly play out
like that. But one thing they were able to do
was to bring America and American isolationism back under the
sway of imperial global geopolitical strategies. And as you know,
the founding father said, we want to stay out of
European entanglements. And so it took a lot of this
wealth and power and influence in the US through things
like the CFR Trelateral's all that stuff. That's all set
up on the model of Chatham House in the UK,
which is this sort of Fabian socialist interclique. British Intelligence
was set up as a Fabian socialist institution. Its heads
were originally all Fabian socialists. And so you mentioned Kiir Starmer,
he is also openly a Fabian socialist. So exactly the
same people, same strategy, same game plan. Tony Blair was
a member of the Fabian Socialist party. That kind of
dominates the ideology. But you're right that it doesn't require
vast armies, you know, marching armies. British Empire was a
naval power. They were not a land power as Dougan
and many you know geopolitical people talk about you have
a sea power versus Russia. Is a land power. British empire.
Britain's tiny, and yet it had this vast empire through
controlling disease. So it was a sea power, a money power,
a banking power ultimately, and a lot of people liking it.
To Italy when Italy had a lot of power, you know,
centuries ago, they were a also kind of a sea power.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like that banking power is the only
thing that's left in regardless like British British influence, British
power and its ability to exert it on the world.
It seems like I.
Speaker 2: Think they do project. They do project that power to
a degree through the Royal family, because the Royal Family,
as we said, is kind of a corporation, right that
promotes to the west, through Canada, through Australia, because those
are still commonwealths of the British Empire.
Speaker 1: Well, you speak of commonwealth, what are your thoughts about
King Charles supposedly coming to the US to offer Trump
the title of making the US a commonwealth. I mean,
what are you familiar with what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I don't know what to make of that.
I think it's goofy, It's silly I mean honestly, like
all the Trump saying we're going to make Canada a state,
We're going to make Greenland. I have no idea what.
I don't even understand what I mean. I know it
has to do with like trade deficits and you know whatever,
but I have no idea what this means or where
it's going. But but yeah, I mean when you I
think key point here, when we understand this, And to
get back to your question about like pinpointing when it
became a policy for the UK way ahead of the EU.
Like the UK in nineteen ten nineteen twenty, very prominent
Fabian socialists were at that time saying it's time to
make alliances with Islam because we can change the face
of the UK and Europe through Islam. Right, And so
it became you know, a tool early on. First all,
not through the Wahabi Salafi stuff, because if you just
try to import, if you try to import that into
the UK in the nineteen tens and twenties, it would
have never worked. So what do you do you do?
What's the Fabian model, a slow kill model. Suonies, we
bring in the ecumenist, very perennialist minded Sunnies, the mystical
neo Platonic.
Speaker 1: Save them from persecution in the Middle East. Bring them
to they brought.
Speaker 2: They even brought these guys over. Rachio some really great
chapters in his book where they bring these intellectuals and
they let him teach at Oxford and Cambridge. These intellectual
Sufis then set up these missionary publishing societies. They start
promoting Sufism throughout the UK and the nineteen ten and
twenties thirties. Then over time you start bringing in the
more radical Sunni Wahabbi type elements. That's where we are today,
where you have lund honisty. But it's not accidental. People
think that this is it's just liberals that are open borders. No,
it's a specific strategy that many of the baby and
socialist elite said, we got to eradicate Christianity in the
West and in Europe, and one of the best ways
to do that would be to flood the UK and
EU with Islam. Right, they're very candid about it.
Speaker 1: So other than the ability to alter and augment European
identity and culture and then the radical, violent elements of Islam,
why are intelligence agencies so interested in manipulating and utilizing Islam.
Are there other aspects of the paradigm the worldview that
are very useful as a utility for people are wanting
to control and manipulate populations.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean I think we can think immediately
of you know, what Myles Copan says is that he
says Islam's great religion for creating a t e r
R patsy. I mean, you've got the ready made idea
going back to, you know, the martyrdom idea that oh
guess what, you know, die for this cause and you're
going to get You're going to get laid for eternity,
right right. So that's a very powerful motivation for perhaps
not just young men who are very manipulable, but even
unstable people can very easily be used in this way.
And again that's what Males Copeland actually explains in his
biography at about this He says that you know, they
make the perfect patsy when we want this kind of
an event. So it doesn't mean that the CIA or
Version intelligence is behind every t R OUR event. It's
not saying that at all. It's just saying that when
it's useful, it's very useful for as you pointed out,
everything from a destabilizing force in a rival nation to
just terrorizing a target population. It can also bring about
the end legal changes that you want. So you want
to have I don't know, body scanners at every airport
or a giant tea event would be great for that, right.
So there's a lot of different.
Speaker 1: Right, you had the subway bombing in London, it was
out of the early early two thousand and seven. That
was kind of like their nine to eleven event that
reorganized their society exactly.
Speaker 2: A great example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was also mentioned, you know, when you
were talking about that, I was thinking that Islam is
also so culturally cohesive. That is is another reason why
it is such a useful weapon against Western nations is
you know, the the unity of Arabic you know, you
can find you know, Buddhist tradition, and they don't all
speak the same language, they don't all come from the
same culture. But Islam is sort of a submission to
Arabism and so and it's filled with political and militaristic
ideology is the name of religion. So it seems like
it as a paradigm out of all the world religions.
Islam is certainly the most useful if you want to
sort of take control of it.
Speaker 2: It's a death cult. It's a model for creating a
kind of a death cult type of thing. Absolutely, absolutely great.
That's a great point. I mean, even even a lot
of the modern apologists critiquing Islam, whether it's David Wood
or Sam Shimun or Jay Smith, A lot of people
who have critiqued that have noted that you can see
early on in the Quran that before the later you know,
battles that Muhammad engaged in, it's intended to be the
revelation for Arab peoples. So, in other words, early points
in the Quran, all us speaks as if well, the
Jews have their Bible and the Christians have their thing,
this is the thing for the Arabs, right, So it
initially has this verythno nationalist, I guess you could say,
vibe to it. Before later on Mohammad says, after certain battles, Oh, no,
actually this is to take over the whole world now.
So you can actually see an internal contradiction in the
Quran itself to where it moves from being just relative
to the Arab people's too, oh no, actually this is
for everybody, conquer everybody now right.
Speaker 1: Now? How much influence, because you were talking about the
earlier years of the British intelligence having to do with
you know, the OPEC nations oil energy. How much influence
do they still have in places like Cutter and the
UAE and Saudi Arabia. What in your perspective, what is
that influence and relationship with British intelligence still.
Speaker 2: I think that uh, British intelligence has since the Cold
War earlier, had a what they call a special relationship
with America. So they link up and they do things
very closely. It's part of the you know, five eyes,
seven eyes. These are the you know, Western sort of
intelligence powers and structures. They're united together. So I think
the key thing to realize here is that remember that
for US in the West, there might be periods where
we have some sort of disagreement with the UK or whatever,
but the overlord oligarchic power structure is the same. It's
the same upper level people that run both the US
and the UK, and by extension that YOUU because if
you understand, the European Union itself was set up by
the os S and the CIA. It's literally a creation
of the U, S S and CIA. This is the
post tiny stash Man after he loses OS S and
c A comes in and literally sets up all that.
In fact, they even brainwash the Germans with re education camps,
so we think of that as a Soviet communist thing. No, actually,
the CIA set up I'm serious. They set up at
re education camps for Germans after the after World War two.
So you know you've got this this elite corporate banking structure.
I believe that is what quickly calls the uh you know,
Atlanticist East Anglo American establishment, and that includes the nation
state of Israel. So I'm not excluding them. And they
still see you know, certain places like Russia, Uh, maybe
Iran to some degree. I'm not an iffy on how
you know, how much I think Iran is a real
threat or not, but I think they do see these
the way that Brazinski said, we have to make sure
that they could never be any potential threat or challenge
to Atlantis's dominance and thus control of Eurasia, according to Brazinski,
was the key means to that. Hence why for them
Ukraine is so important, because that's that's essential to Western
NATO dominance in the Eurasian heartland. So so that's why
a lot of these things happen, is these motivations. But
I don't think like you said, it's not really British.
I mean, British intelligence plays a key role because for example,
British intelligence created the p Gate scandal that was literally
created by the Steele dossi age's straight out of British
intelligence created well, and.
Speaker 1: It seems like that's what the CIA does is whenever
they want to do any sort of domestic operation and
they just give all the tools over to the UK
and then five or m I six then comes up
with something and all of a sudden it's national you know,
global news that something XYZ has happened.
Speaker 2: Exactly absolutely so there is That's why you see like
Saddle and those creeps, you know, tied into the same
intelligence structure in the UK, and you know M I five,
m S six have these brothels that they run like.
Speaker 1: El and Epstein I mean Maxwell, the father senior, I
mean it was Masad in British intelligence who he worked
for the most.
Speaker 2: Correct likewise with apparently Lord Victor Rochald appears to be
doing a very similar type of thing, correct, except in
Victor's case it wasn't just Westerly. He was actually also
working with Soviets. So you'll find certain players actually played
both sides of the Cold War.
Speaker 1: And so can you speak to this this dialectic that
the globalist Anglo American banking dominant structure, how it sort
of demonizes domestic population, spies all them, blackmails anybody with influence,
and at the same time then brings in massive amounts
of people to totally alter and transform transform the cultures.
What I mean, I already have an idea, but how
does these things relate to the endpoint of a new
global order? What are they trying to construct through all this?
Speaker 2: Well, a couple examples is uh, and this is a
controversial topic, but uh, I mean I have his actual books.
You can read Count Kutenhov Kolergy's book Practical Idealism, which
I have right over there, and he says, uh, you know,
we can destroy Europe through changing the demographics. Quickly says
that the royal society elites the people in our I
a Royal Instagram, National Affairs and others. They basically said,
let's go with the Count's plan. Uh, And that's identical
to what the Fabian socialists were pushing. What they wanted.
They realized that in order to have a future socialist technology,
christy type of world federation, you would need to destroy
the firewalls that stood in the way of that. And
firewalls would be nation states and religious ideologies like Christianity,
as well as even things that we think of as
fundamental like the family unit. Maybe, and socialist believe that
eventually you'd have to get rid of the family because
families are directly connected to private property and inheritance right
in heritage and tradition, and if you're going to have
a brave new world, got to get rid of that stuff, right.
Speaker 1: So the post humanists, i mean, there's a whole strand
about decoupling reproduction from sexual practices. So it's i mean
their goal. And these are you know, these are papers
from very important institutions literally saying that the future of
reproduction will be totally I mean, in my terms, a
sort of synthetic fabrication. It's going to be done in
a laboratory, it's going to be done through IVF and
and these are these are academical articles that I was
citing in my paper. They're literally saying that, you know, sex,
not just gender, not just performative gender, but actual sex
will be on a fluid spectrum, that all the tranny stuff,
this is all intentional and in actual intercourse is only
going to be for pleasure. So they want to make
it that actually people probably can't reproduce him if they
wanted to, and so everybody is just then hedonistic pursuing
sexual gratification and nobody can actually reproduce.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that Lord Birkenhead's famous essay. He's one
of these British technocratic baby and socials elites. He wrote
back in nineteen twenties, the essay for Cosmopolitan magazine where
he said, saved my article because in one hundred years,
babies will come out of test tubes, you'll have a
world government, et cetera, et cetera. And props to Tristan
for he hit me to that before I'd never even
heard of Lord Birkenhead. I've been reading all these books,
and you know he found that essay years ago. But
it's also identical to what Huxley wrote in Brave New World,
Like in chapter one or two a Brave New World.
It's actually explained that the babies are born in test
tubes because that's the only way to have the technocratic
state be your stand in mommy or daddy, because if
you're born to a parent, you have an immediate attachment
to them. If you're born in a test tube, you
got mad scientists doctor Man as your daddy, right. Literally
they say that in the character in I think it's
chapter one, actually explains that this is why we birth
the babies and the test tubes and not from a
mother anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, And that abstraction of parenthood is going to make
somebody much more sympathetic to like central authority, So like
a communist or a socialist or some centralized governmental identity.
If your identity is not coming from your parents and
from like genetic heritage and culture, it's gonna be you're
gonna tie yourself to whatever structure of importance exist in
that particular context. So like for these fabian socialists, it
makes total sense.
Speaker 2: There's also a connection, to believe or not, between that
and espionage because one of the things they learned in
the you know, say, past one hundred years of recruiting
people for British intelligence work was that a lot of times,
people who made the best spies were the ones that
had didn't have parental figures. And so in the case
of James Bond, he's a case example because Bond is
the figure who is an orphan, right and the handlers
him in the novels they know that, and so Queen
and Country becomes this, the queen becomes to sort of
stand in aloof mother figure, nanny state figure. And that's
not just him, I mean in the Munier book, I
mean there's other spies who were also famously orphans. So
you can learn from those test cases of those people
to then they could extrapolate and say, well, why don't
we just make everybody this kind of you know, automaton
who And I'm not saying that, like James Bond's supposed
to be just a killing machine, right, but the point
is that he doesn't. He doesn't have a conscience, and
he doesn't have the firewalls that we're talking about because
of the early trauma. And so if you can traumatize, say,
youthful people when on a mass scale when they're young,
which is what we're seeing with a lot of this
tr and Z stuff, right, and you know, the stuff
that they're doing too. You know what I'm talking about,
reassignment stuff and all like that is just going to
damage them for life, right, And that kind of information
is exactly what spies and people who were engaged in
sexual compromise were themselves learning and doing. Does that make
sense why?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and it draws a you know, you mentioned
that Islam is a death cult and draws that sort
of strand and ties both this Anglo American global establishment
banking elite because they themselves are a death cul and
the things that they're pushing and so Islam. They have
no ideological difference. This is something that I'll see it
in one of the chats I forget a few streams ago,
but talking about how you know, some of these British
elites they just don't realize yet what all these Muslims
are going to do to their country. It's like, dude,
what are you talking about. They don't have an opposition
to it, they don't care. They know exactly what's going
to happen, and so what are your kind of thoughts
on I mean, like in that video I did on
the city of London, London is the most Muslim city
in all of Europe. I believe it. Now it's the
first city to have over a thousand mosques.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just posted a couple of weeks
ago the classic clips of Prince Philip saying, you know,
the number one problem in the world is people, and
he says people are a plague. And I found his
Old Guardian, the Old Guardian article where it says that
his famous, one of his most famous quotes is I
hope when I die to come back as a virus,
to get rid of most parts. So you understand that
the British elites they don't care about Britain, they don't
care about the British people. Fact, they hate them. They're Malthusians, right,
They're like open, rabid Malthusians. And when you understand that,
and when you understand the Fabian socialist, technocratic ideology, everything
they're doing makes perfect sense. It's not it's not idiot
liberals who don't know what's happened. They know what's happening exactly.
You that doesn't know what's happening because you listen to
Matt wallsh You know these people who act like there's.
Speaker 1: No exactly ape goading of ignorance, amongst the elite. I
think that's one of the it's it's actually a very
nefarious it is out for a lot of people is like, oh, well,
they're just ignorant. No, dude, they're not ignorant at all.
Don't you realize this is.
Speaker 2: Always they think that it's like Joe Biden running stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that idiot up there. He can't even talk. Yeah,
of course he wasn't running shit. He's the perfect face
for all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So how what I mean is there I'm sure there
is a role amongst the intelligence agencies, like the fact
that they've been able to get all of Western Europe
and at least a handful of Central European nations to
buy into all this stuff and allow all this mass immigration.
I mean, I have a friend in Greece and Athens
is being absolutely overrun with Muslims. It sounds like the
PM in Italy is trying to take some type of stand,
but France seems to be gone. My wife is from Germany,
and so she's from southern Germany and Stuttgart, and they
have so many Turks that are coming that now two
out of every three baby he's born in Stuttgart are
Turkish and that only you know, you play that for
just a generation or two and it's game over. You know,
this doesn't gonna take long. So what are your thoughts on,
I mean, how they've been able to get Is it
just through the centralization of the EU and the sort
of socialist structure that Europe has. But it's amazing how
outside of maybe Poland and Hungry, there's not really many
voices in opposition to literally the replacement of their population
and mass immigration.
Speaker 2: Well, post World War Two, what the West did was
through the OSS and CIA not just set up like
sort of brainwashing re education stuff for Germans, they also
set up the socialist EU model on purpose as one
of these kind of Fabian institutions, as a kind of
a test run or to try to get you know,
the proto fabian socials world gode going. So when you
look at the EU, that's what you're looking at is
a version of them setting what we're talking about up,
and that includes a lot of media control, a lot
of control of education. Again, like we mentioned in the
case of Germany, it was the CIA that set up
the B and D out of the Galen Organization's network
and there might be some ignorant persons who think would
not be tread and based. No, it's not tread and based.
It's immediately turned into what Western ideology wants to push.
And so you get decades then of these entities controlling
the education system in Europe, controlling the banking in Europe,
such that you could even have that famous banker Peter
Sutherland about ten years ago. I think he's dead now,
but he came out and said it's mainstream news. He said, yes,
as a massive EU banking person, my job is to
destroy the nation states of the European Union and turn
them into one big blob that we can control in
a socialist way. So there it is, right there, just
go repeater sutherland statement on what the purpose of the
U is. And other people have kind of leaked this
stuff out too, even General Wesley Clark, who some people
were big fans of because he was against the Bush
stuff and you know Seven Nations Plan and all that.
But General Wesley Clark famously said that the goal for
NATO was to help destroy European nation states and turn
them into a big socialist blob. That's the goal. So
they were sold under the guise of oh, this will
help us be a more powerful economic union. That was
kind of the selling line that they were giving the
people for the EU through the OSS and what was
called the European Project, the European Steel and Coal Development
of Project. Those are all corporate banking and OSS created
things that help to try to transition Europe into this union.
But it was also acoring to David Rockefeller and his
memoirs planned at Builderberg Soil Bilderberg also played a big
role in creating and planning the EU back in the
forties and fifties. It's not a nineteen ninetiesish thing. It's
actually planned that long ago because they're thinking, you know,
long term about creating these continental unions. World federal socialist
unions is what they are. And then it doesn't matter
whether you have the title of you know, you could
call yourself the Free State of Liberia. Like you're integrated into, right,
a big socialist union. It doesn't matter what what you
call yourself, So they don't have to be called, you know,
the Nation, the Fabian Socialist you know, Committee of Liberia,
like you can call yourself whatever you want. It's integrated
into continental unions, is the plan. And so I think
some people have expressed can in regard to Trump's statements
about Canada and Mexico.
Speaker 1: That right, that that is Region three in Agenda twenty one.
And that was my initial response once I heard about Okay, Greenland,
maybe they're going to vote and want to join the US.
And then the next it was like, the next day
after a conversation with Trudeau, is like making them the
fifty first state. And I pulled up the map Agenda
twenty one and that's literally region three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's possible. I don't know
the long term game plan. You know. I doubt that
the Trump administration and the people in the Trump administration
have looked at the stuff we're talking about today this
in depth, because I mean I'm not trying to be
arrogant or you know whatever, but like a lot of this,
like the stuff we're talking about, like that's Brazensky Kissinger
level stuff. This is what they write about, and very
few people read or talk about the Brazensky Kissinger type
of geopolitical stuff.
Speaker 1: That's mine for these people to be in positions of
power that they don't read that stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there's somebody and I don't I don't know.
I mean, I'm sure you know. I mean, Alex knows
this this type of material. You know, he talks to
Roger Stone and Trump and all them. And I mean,
I would imagine Roger Stone knows. I mean, I just
don't know, Like I'm not you know, I don't talk
to the White House. I don't know what. But I
don't hear many people talking about, you know, Kissinger Brazenski
level stuff. And that's what we're talking about today. Is
so I don't know, no.
Speaker 1: And I've found even amongst people in some of the
more red you know what the kids call red pill
or based and conspiratorial mindset is as soon as you
bring up this this dialectic between Hamas and Israel and
there and there's literally articles from the Times of Israel
talking about Masad and Israel funding Hamas doing exactly what
we're talking about, this general false dialectic with these intelligence agencies.
And you bring this up to people you know, you
think are pretty re and know what's going on, and
this is like too much for them to fathom that.
You know, why would Israel fun Hamas well? If you
want to you know, well, you can.
Speaker 2: Actually read Victor Ostrovsky, the very guy who was in
the massade at the time, and who you know, I'm
pretty sure he talks about knowing Arafat personally. Israel didn't
want the Plouh and the stabilizing secular force. They wanted
the radical position of Hamas because it's a destabilizing force.
They weren't successful, according to Ostrovsky, in getting Arafat on
anything personal. He lived a very kind of austere basically
moral life, so they didn't have him go into the
you know, prostitutes or stealing money, and so they found
that that mode. And this is in my way of deception.
Nineteen ninety he doesn't explicitly mention Hamas. He just hints
that they were wanting to arm and fund rivals to them.
And then later on in the nineteen ninety four but
which I just got apparently he does that explicitly mentioned Hamas.
So so yeah, in the in the nineteen was the
seventies or whatever, they saw that as At and it's
it's the same as what the guy just said about Syria.
He's like, yeah, we would, we would fund an arm
al Noosra because we would rather have that destabilizing force
versus asad he's a stabilizing force. So and he even
says the guy in that Alazeera interview says, that's the
rules of the game. So what do you mean? So
this is what is what everybody does. So that's the
way he plays that plays it in the interview. But yeah,
if you think about it, this actually makes sense. And
I'm glad you mentioned that because I just went a
lot deeper into lots of I didn't know about that
region and Lebanon and and you know the shield role
in Lebanon, and it's all really fascinating. There's a really
good movie from twenty eight team with John Hamm and
Rosamond Pike called De Rout and I recommend people watch
that because it's a little bit it's a little Hollywood,
But what's good about the movie is that it doesn't
It presents everybody as having their angle and their desires
in this very tense region of you have Lebanon here,
and then you have Israel here, so North Israel and
Lebanon border, right right. Then you have Christians in Lebanon,
you have Shia in Lebanon, and you have Sunni factions
in Lebanon. So it's a factionalized country that's also got
a lot of organized crime groups in Lebanon, and so
they can't really they're not a real threat to Israel.
And even in the I think in the eighties the Phalanges,
who were largely the Maronite Catholic militia, they were actually
funded donated by the CIA Masad. So it's very complicated
because the Christians in Lebanon have this alliance with CIA Massad.
She and Lebanon right are there to suppose to put
pressure on Israel and be a supposedly a militia or
a terrorist organization opinion upon how you view them. So
it's just a really wild complex region. Yeah, and the
and the Shia don't like Assuni, and the Shia don't
like didn't like the PLO, so it's right.
Speaker 1: Well, and then with everything that's happened with the undermining
of the Asad regime and the fall of Syria. One
of the things that I've been covering some books on
like eschaeological prophecies from various saints and Saint Paysios and
various other various other elders of the Church, and one
of the things that they talked about is we get
closer towards the end times, is that Turkey is going
to be an enemy of Russia and it's going to
be fully aligned with the West. And you know, a
couple of years ago, I mean, it sounds seemed like
Russia and Turkey had a pretty good relationship. But what's
what recently just unfolded in Syria is essentially Turkey, he
backstabbed Russia, made an agreeance with the West and with
Israel to basically take the northern portion of Syria. And
it's I find that very interesting. Is now we can
kind of see how these how these power factions are
splitting up, and at least according to some and we
take you know, eschatology is a difficult subject to discuss,
but you know, at least the patterns are emerging, and
it's it's beginning to make a lot more sense on
how Aerdogon and Turkey and all this posturing that he's
going to save the Palestinians from Israel and yet he's
actually making a backdoor deal with Israel. Let's go ahead
and fund these radical Muslims to take over Syria and
then we'll just cut it up, and then the US
takes the Northern Peace where the Kurds are. To your point,
it's like, well, they have their own faction with the
military of the Kurds to maintain control there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's that one gets really complex, and
I don't even understand all the ins and outs of
the Turkish rule and all that, but they because of
where they're located, a lot of the aid or arms
has to go through Turkey, right, So for some of
these places. So I say that because going back to
twenty fourteen twenty seventeen, we were at that time I
was writing a lot of articles for twenty first Century
Wire with Patrick Kenningson, and we were covering I'm trying
to pull up the map here so we can see
the No, that doesn't need a bigger map, But we
were covering this issue because we knew that it was
obvious that the CIA and obviously Israelis as well as
British intelligence like they were aiding and funding the Al
Nusra in Syria to try to get rid of Asad
and they were calling them the moderate rebels. Right. Well,
the CFR had put up an article prior to all
of this. Yeah, there we go. So yeah, So like
if if weapons, for example, are going to come from
Iran to Lebanon, right, it needs to go either through
Turkey or through Syria to reach Lebanon. If they were
gonna arm, if they were going to arm the Shia,
or if there was going to be arming of ISIS
in Syria, Turkey back in the twenty fourteen twenty seventeen
time period was also helping ISIS in Syria or Al
Nusra in Syria. So this was being discussed by many outlets,
and I remember vividly because I was writing articles about it,
and I was getting called all kinds of names if
you talked about the CIA or the West or Israel
arming and helping Al Nusra in Syria. Even though Johnny
Kane is like meeting with and he's in pictures with
the freaking Al Qaeda dudes, like you were called crazy,
you were called insane. It doesn't exist. Well, a few
months ago, the New York Times just published their gigantic
front page article on Timber Sycamore. So we actually know
the name of the twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen one
billion dollar plan. It was called Timber Sycamore, where they
armed trained and funded Al Nusra in Syria, right, right,
So there you go, like we were called I mean,
I can't tell you many people were like calling me
names back then. And it's like I've been sharing this,
Like just look up the you know, the New York Times,
Timber Sycamore, it'll come up right away as the first first.
Speaker 1: Well, and people were even denying reports after the withdrawal
from Afghanistan that the US was sending millions of dollars
to the Taliban. Well, now that's a fact, we know that,
you know, according to Trump taking office, that's top. But
it was like upwards between forty to seventy million dollars
a week the US was sending to the Taliban, who,
according to them, we had to fight this, you know,
twenty some year war in Afghanistan what like, it makes
no sense. But even once that became public knowledge, people
were still reluctant to even recognize that.
Speaker 2: So that should have been obvious because that goes back
to nineteen seventy nine where Brazenski came up with the
plan it's called Operation Cyclone to this is under Carter
to arm the Mujahadeen freedom fighters in the Soviet Afghanistan conflict,
and the plan was actually a pretty smart plan because
it worked. So Operation Cyclone literally was successful in exhausting
the Soviet force there, and this helped the later collapse
of the Soviet empire under a few years later in
the eighties. But had not this been successful, that probably
wouldn't have happened. But this is where the CIA makes
its alliance with the Mujahadeen, who are these freedom fighter
al Qaeda people. They become the drawing pool from which
we get.
Speaker 1: Right and British intelligence was involved with this as well. Yeah, absolutely,
so it's it's the same it's the same playbook over
and over and over, and it's just irritating that people
because they're so embedded into their emotions and they act
irrationally whenever you bring up especially Israel here in the
United States, that people that are often although that Overton
windows seems to be shifting quite a bit in the
last two years, but generally speaking, to see these dialectical
tensions of how radical Islam is a utility of Western
intelligence agencies to create chaos, destabilization so that they can
expand power and control. I mean, it's as clear as
day now. I don't even know how anybody can deny it.
And this is why. And I'm curious what your opinions
are on the normalization of Islam in the West as well.
We see you know, And I'm not here to accuse
anybody of anything but the Tape Brothers. At least according
to online there was a massive spike in young men
looking into Islam during before the Romania allegations, and that
case was dropped. So I'm not here to accuse anybody
of anything but Tate. Andrew Tate converted to Islam and
it was like one of the one of the biggest
search things in like Western for young men in the
West was searching up Islam and looking to convert to Islam.
And it does give them a kind of a coherent
I mean, it's not totally coherent Islam. It's filled with contradictions,
but at least some type at least their perception, a worldview,
an identity where they could get married and have a
virgin and for some of them appeal to having multiple wives.
But what are your thoughts on this sort of normalization
of Islam, And sometimes to the detriment, so people have
so much animosity towards Israel or who they think are
controlling the levers of power in the West, that they
like welcome Islam and we as especially Orthodox christ in
the history of the Orthodox Church, you know, this is
a false that you don't choose one or the other.
What are your thoughts on this.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really important people understand and and
this is tied into a lot of the right wing reaction.
They will see, you know, certain countries from the Middle
East having a lot of influence in America, and then
they will assume that the alliance with anything Islamic would
be a natural right wing alliance. I think this is
really foolish because you have to understand that there's a
lot of other players and people with a lot of money.
The Saudi Royal family is a is a big pusher
for Islam in the West. Other Gulf states do push
and promote Islam in the West. Uh. And you know
that's that shouldn't be surprising. I think we should if
you just think about how nation states in general, how
they project power.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's you know, if you're if you're the king of
Jordan and you're a hash of mighte and you believe
your Islamic stuff. You're gonna want people interested in Islam.
You're gonna desire the promotion, just like we would desire
Orthodox Christianity everywhere, right right, They're gonna think the same way.
They're gonna they're gonna want and support and fund Islamic
endeavors in the West. So we needn't think of it
as if it's all you know, CIA M I six
Masade pushing Islam. It doesn't work like that. Those groups will,
for example, make alliances with whoever they need in any
of these regions to push whatever will work for them.
So it's not ideological, it's just pragmatic. It's the key
point here. So like when the CIA is funding an
army the most, it's not because they believe in al
Kaida ideology. It's because that's what's useful in that region
to fight the Soviets. So likewise, you know, there are
Islamic nations, Islamic movements, Islamic banking structures that push and
fund Islam in the West. And it's not all the CIA.
It's it's like, I mean, I can we drove to
Vegas some months back and I noticed across America, and
I've been driving back and forth across America for the
last seven years more than I ever have mosques you
seem I saw a mosque on an Indian reservation.
Speaker 1: Wow, I would have thought about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're absolutely right. There is a push for
Islam in the West. And that's not all you know,
Cia or Israel. I mean, there's actual you know, Gulf
States and Saudis and it.
Speaker 1: And it seems like that is the way that it's
often presented as an antidote to like Western degeneracy. So
as as the national cultures of the West are inundated
with all this debauchery and sexual sin, it's well, now
you need a militaristic, masculine religion to come in here
and clean things up. And then it's like, here's Islam.
And so they present this as the alternative to So
if you if you hate the left, well then why
don't you become a Muslim because then you'll be able
to fight it. And even when I look at and
I've never been to Britain England. I've been to Ireland
but never been to England, but just based on articles
that I've seen, it's like they let the Muslim population
get away with criticism of the leftist agenda, the sort
of leftist narrative within England that they don't let the
average British person say so if you're if you're an
average British person to criticize it, you're a problem. But
when entire Muslim communities do it, I oht no problem
at all. Which take that movement toward.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, absolutely by design. We went there in twenty
nineteen and uh, I mean you just like, it's Islamic everywhere.
I mean it's we were in we were in London
for a week and then we were out in the
country at in Milton Kane where I gave a lecture
for another week. So you know, I got I got
a week week's worth of London. And you know, it's
just sad to see what used to it one time
be you know, a Christian area be so heavily Islamic.
But it's interesting because you go back to the Middle Ages,
whether you're in the Roman Catholic West or if you're
in Byzantium. If you go back to the Middle Ages,
pretty much every Christian understood that Islam is like chastisement,
you know what I mean, It's like the divine chastisement
when you you know, if you turn degenerate, this is
your chastisement. So it's not that Islam is true, it's
that you know, well, it's like what scripture says, like,
you know, if you follow what God says, you'll be strong.
If you're degenerate, you'll be rolled over, just like he
told Israel.
Speaker 1: And in that light, even the military conquest of the
Ottoman Empires. You know, aragon I showed a quote that
he had. He was talking about the amount of Muslims
that now exist in Western Europe and he was talking
about the growth in the building of all these mosques,
and he said, yeah, this is one of the greatest
accomplishments in Islamic history. That out of all the military conquests,
we could have never imagined the influence we now exert
within Western Europe. And that that was right out of
the mouth of aragon It's like, so the player, the
power players in the Muslim world absolutely see this in
a militaristic framing. They you know, this is not oh
some of our you know, compatriots are now live in
Germany and England and France. No, they look at it as, oh,
this is wonderful. Look at all these young men have there.
We're going to take it over.
Speaker 2: I mean the mayor is Sadik Khan is a mayor
of London. I think he's also a Fabian socialist too,
so so yeah, the Fabian socialist alliance with Islam again
is over one hundred years old, and that's explicitly to
totally change the West.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar is Islam pretty sympathetic with socialist ideas.
Speaker 2: I mean so in the Qur'an itself. I think the
the idea of takiya is over exaggerated. It's not that
Muslims are like literally told in all these cases to lie.
But there is a statement in the Koran where it says,
when you are in the minority, you pretend to be
the friend and the you know, flexible one.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Then when you're the majority, it's a it's you can
become militaristic.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she moon points to that. All. I forget
the exact reference, but it is there. It's kind of
early on in the kron. I forget the exact reference,
but yeah, it says up.
Speaker 1: So, regarding everything that's going on, is there any event
or region in particular that you kind of have your
eyes out looking at what I mean, what what are
kind of your thoughts? Obviously it's speculation, but moving forward,
your thoughts on Europe with all this mass immigration and
the negotiations with Israel and Hamas and some of the
I think Katar is leading the negotiation. They're supposed to
be like the middleman and creating some type of settlement.
What are your thoughts on all this?
Speaker 2: A lot of those Gulf states are also long time
you know, Western CI allies, like the absolutely Tim mac
Isin even years ago reported on King of Saint of Jordan,
like he was just bought off by the seat, Like
all they all they have to do is like basically
just flying and like bring a chest of goal or
a bag of money and they just give it to
these guys so that they're kind of easy to buy off.
But it's the same with Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan, right,
that was famously reported on many times that the CIA
would just bring him duffle bags of money. I mean,
you know, I just see myself as a student of
this stuff. I don't even really know where it's going
or how to project the the you know, what's what's
going to happen? I mean, I think that you know,
in the future, we will be contending with more and
more Islam, which it's just it's I mean, when you
get into it, it's just so silly, like it's it's
kind of it's kind of amazing really that people fall
for it. And I understand, like you're saying, like the
young dudes are just searching stuff online. They don't know anything,
and it's like, well, yeah, like what about one God
versus like the trinities like exactly, I understand if you're
at that level, you might think, oh, well, this is
like based in crowd or whatever. Right.
Speaker 1: They always present it as more believable than than the
Christian worldview.
Speaker 2: And it and it's like people they don't even realize that.
And like even Sneako more recently has been like did
you say that clip going around.
Speaker 1: Where he's about he didn't know that he has to.
Speaker 2: It's not just the Kuran and like this basic boildown
of like simple you gotta believe all the hot eats, dude, right,
and have the crazy stuff in it, you know what
I mean, and stuff right literally, So it's just it's
like a it's like a cult where the people are
not told like Mormonism, Like they're not told like the
Inner Right. You know, space sci fi crap until you've
been in it for a while.
Speaker 1: But and Sneko is a perfect example of somebody who
uses their Islam as like you know, right wing talking
points in defense of all this degeneracy here in the West.
And look how ineffective and weak Christianity is. You know,
you guys might as well just give it up. I mean,
I've seen clips of him basically saying that. In other words,
but you know, you guys are screwed because look how
in a fact of Christianity is.
Speaker 2: And we can you know, it's hard to you know,
it's hard to argue with the massive amount of the
Roman Catholic and Protestant world that is so weak and skittles. Yeah,
you can see why they think that. But you know,
a lot of those things are going away. You know,
for example, in France, I'm pretty sure that like a
bunch of Roman Catholic cathedrals and monasteries have been bought
by Orthodox in the last ten twenty years. Oh really, yeah,
gat So like as the Roman Catholics are dying out
and you know, selling off their churches to pay all
their PDF bills for their you know you know I'm
talking about, Yeah, as they're paying their you know, sex
scandal bills and lawsuits. They're having to sell cathedrals in
the shutdown entire like churches and dioceses they've been doing
an America too, they have to sell it off. So
Orthodoxy's growing, you know, those things are dying out, and
that's you know, when you adopt those kind of like
sterile ideologies like a lot of these woke Protestant churches have.
I mean, you're basically sealing your doom and ending your
denomination in the next few decades, right, So those won't
be exist anymore. There won't be Methodists, Lutheran mainline Protestant
churches anymore. They're going to be Presbyterian. They're going to
die out, and so it will be uh, you know,
if tragcat stuff still exists, maybe that maybe some versions
of Calvinism and Orthodoxy is all there is. Right.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the way that Russia has
handled their Muslim population, because it seems like they've at
least maybe again, I'm no expert on this I'm curious
what your thoughts are, but it seems like they've made
an explicit recognition that Russia is Orthodox, at least to
some degree. But then the Muslim communities, the chechen Ins,
you know, all those different they can maintain their Islamic
identity under a sort of larger Russian banner, and.
Speaker 2: Yew, there's some kind of recognition of this idea of
some kind of quote, you know, traditionalism that's broad enough
to encapsulate Islam, because I think there's like a million
Muslims in Moscow, right, so, you know, it's unfortunate. I
don't like that at all, but you know, I guess
it's just another it's a situation where maybe pragmatically, they're
forced to do it.
Speaker 1: But I wrote one article that Putin spoke explicitly about
Slavic people's need to have three to four children per
because they're being you know, they're yeah, they're being out
populated by the smaller Muslim communities in southern Russia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have heard that too. And you know, so
we see a lot of good statements. Hey, Jamie, good news,
Mamy expresso, thank you. You know, maybe as the world
continues to wake up to Orthodoxy. Again, one of the
great things has people been pointing out, like the Internet,
the Internet's been pretty bad for Islam. Yeah, it's like it's.
Speaker 1: Been great for Orthodoxy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, and it might it might be the case
that you know, early on a lot of idiot twenty
year old dudes maybe search it out. But like, you know,
we just had that debate with Shamoon on Fresh and
Fit a few months ago that three to four million people.
You read the comments and it's like fifty thousand comments,
ninety nine percent saying that you know, Islam is not
doing well on the internet, right, So you know, they
might have a lot of money to put into propaganda,
but I don't think that. It's just it's kind of
foreign to the West and the only way it can
can see it in the West is when they import
foreign peoples to the West. Right, So the more that
we stop, you know, the open border nonsense, perhaps that
would help to stem the tide of the of the
lunacy of this crazy cult.
Speaker 1: Last question before we get into super chats. Kind of
a bit of a diversion, but what are your thoughts
on we were talking and we've talked about the intelligence agencies,
the utilization of Islam. Uh, these false dialectics, And I'm
curious what your thoughts are with the Trump administration. We're
supposed to get some of the Epstein files that was
a food gays operation there. They had some influencers come
out with a binder of everything that was publicly avail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. We may still got them. I
may not. Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did release the JFK files. But do you
I'm curious in your geopolitical analysis, what do you see
happening with this Trump administration. In my perspective, it looked
like it's sort of domestic policies that are gonna maybe
hurt in the short term with tariffs and all this stuff,
but he's going to be good long term beneficially for
like an economic engine. But it feels like this is
totally tight at the hip with Zionism, and that Christian
Zionism specifically is now like the official voice of Christianity
in America with Pastor PAULA. White heading the Faith Office
in the White House, and we have Hegsath talking about
how he wants to rebuild the Third Temple, and so
within the Trump administration, we have all these Christian Zionists
that are sort of accelerationists.
Speaker 2: It's because you know, the JFK files do contain many
things that implicate certain Middle Eastern countries, which I've been
talking about who last week, and I did not expect
that to be there. So you know why or what's
going on, I don't know, but you know, you do
have people who have talked about that, like Roger Stone,
very close to Trump. Yeah, and I'm not saying that
I grew with everything that these people, you know, argue
or say, it's just these are these are the facts.
And that was a very controversial thesis, you know, put
out by Michael Collins Piper twenty years ago in his book.
I read it at the time, and you know, you
just couldn't even talk about that for a long time.
So I'm surprised to see that there is, particularly in
regard to all the stuff about James Jesus Angleton, who
was a mega you know, Israeli a file. He was
the CIA station chief in Rome for a long time,
and then he became a.
Speaker 1: More of the mediator between Israeli intelligence and US intelligence.
Speaker 2: So everything again, people who knew that and talked about
that for the last twenty years you were very I mean,
his role with being pro Israel was public, but this
idea of a back channel was theory. And if you
talked about that, I mean, you would be derided, to
say the least. I mean you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like you have do you have any hope that there
is a you know, quote unquote it's being repackaged as
sort of a regime change in Washington. I feel pretty
skeptical about it. Is it just yet to be seen?
What are your do you feel like there's you know,
is there a sort of regime change or is the
the the again, this this deeper higher Anglo American establishment,
is it still behind the wheel? Even you know, Trump
can do all his the stuff that he wants to
do or or you know, domestic policy stuff like that
economic stuff, but the ship's moving in the same direction.
Speaker 2: There is some degree of opposition from you know, the
administration because you know, all these people, what does is
talking about and uncovering like all this you know JFK files,
Like I feel like we if we got the JFK
falls a film like we probably will get the jeff
Stein mcaffree files. You know, maybe they won't be too reducted.
I guess we'll see, but there's definitely a real awakening
in the country. It's always hard to say in terms
of the administration, uh itself. I don't I don't follow
a lot of the day to day stuff because I'm
usually trying to focus on the more you know, meta
political stuff and the geopolitics. But uh, I think good
things are happening. I like, I try to be positive
about those things. You know. One thing I keep saying
is we've been under such intense mind control for so
many decades and so much mainstreaming of brainwashing and just nonsense.
It's not all going to be fixed in one administration,
you know what I mean, Like, we're gonna be We're
going to be crawling out of this mess for decades.
But we're seeing a lot of I look, we're seeing
a lot more good things than I would have ever happen.
Even as that as some of this of.
Speaker 1: Those and in regarding that false dialectic, one of the
things that I'm sure you would agree with this You've
talked about it, but with this uh sort of valorization
of Elon Musk. Not that I'm not against dog, I
think it's fantastic find you know, finding all this corruption USAI,
d all that stuff is fantastic. But I was speaking
with an Orthodox Christian and they were talking about how
great Musk is and thinking, man, I wonder if he's
going to become Christian. I'm like, dude, no, Like you
realize that creating a more efficient and robust America for
his domestic production and in creating, I mean, he is
a transhumanist. He is one world order figure. I mean,
he spoke openly about this, and he speaks you know,
in one in one article, he'll say that we're summoning
the demons through the AI, and then literally in this
in the next paragraph will say, well, the only way
to stop it then is we have to fuse with
it so that we can control the AI from within
or something. So you look at all these corporations that
he's been creating in the last like two or three years,
it's all at the technocracy. It's all for a global technocracy.
And so I just find that really interesting that here's
so many people that are happy that he's supporting Trump
and he's MAGA, and it's like, well, multiple things can
be true. He can be cutting fraud and abuse and
making the US government more efficient. But the reasons why
he's doing this is for a goal in twenty to
thirty years for what he's going to have in place
and the economic engine that's going to be behind it.
And I've found that a lot of people aren't seeing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's definitely a wild card. I don't
I try to remain detached and you know, just look
at what's happening, and I hope for the best. I mean,
I don't know exactly where he's He's just a wild card.
I don't even know how to read him because it's like,
you see this, we'll do this, and it's seen, was
like really based, then we'll do this other thing. It's like,
well is he does? It's just kind of like it's
in coherent. I don't really understand what's going on. And
but I do think that if you you know, if
you want to keep it to the most positive possible
like attitude, that we could have. You know, Jacques Attali
in his book, you know he's mega globalist, he says
in his two thousand and six book Brief History of
the Future, he says, as globalists, we must be concerned
that that America does not get into real Christianity. He
actually sayes that. He says because the major threat that
we could experience to our hegemony would be a revival
of some kind of what he calls this his words,
theocracy in America, and he says that there could be
a reaction against what we do in America turning to
a theocracy, which means we must guard against. So even
the global leats are concerned and worried that the religious
right might make power moves. And I'm not saying that,
I mean, that's not really doesn't really have anything to
do directly with Musk. But if you're talking twenty thirty
forty years in the future, like I mean, Elon Musk
might not be around by then, you have a next
generation if Christianity, Orthodox Christianity grows, I mean, you could
have an Orthodox Christian American empire. That's like technologically, you
know what I mean. Like I'm not trying to be
overly optimistic and silly about it or today.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, Saint Paisi with multiple saints regarding eschatology,
believe that at least in their in their framework, and
this is from saints from specifically Russia, Romania and Greece
is that there'll be a great World war and then
Orthodoxy is going to go through a golden age, right,
and that it's gonna it's gonna have massive explosion around
the world, and that this is the prerequisite before an
actual Antichrist or anything like that.
Speaker 2: That there that would fulfill post millennial in my view,
which I've always been post mill but I know that
some people are all mill I think in Orthodoxy you
can be either one. But if that was the case,
that that would fulfill that right. Well, the idea of
a mass you know, orthodox conversion of the world right.
Speaker 1: Which which would make a lot of sense. And one
of the things we've already seen these hit pieces from
like the New York Posts and stuff kind of characterized
this massive growth in Orthodoxy here within the last since
twenty twenty so within now the last five years, as
something nefarious. Young men searching for identity. Right, these people
are so.
Speaker 2: Bad, wanting to have a family and wanting to be
moral and wanted to work out and go to church.
It's so bad, right.
Speaker 1: Right, But I could see potentially that growth leading to
You've talked about Operation Gladio, and you know, Glowe's I've
talked with Orthodox people that believe like there's been some
strange people that have come to services that they weren't no, yeah,
or kind of you know, and trying to keep track
on this and potentially if if you know, as Father
Turbo Qull says, you can't be a Zionist and be
an Orthodox Christian based on some of the things that
have come out from the papacy and the general growth
of Christian Zionism and Protestantism, I could see a future
where we're the only one that aren't like Zionists, and
that could be used as a sort of threat to
the establishment to some sort. But obviously it's not going
to win in the end, because according to at least
all the saints in the Elders, there's going to be
a massive golden age of Orthodoxy. And I've took with
multiple priests on this channel and they believe what we're
witnessing now is just like the beginning of this process.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I hope so, and yeah, that's
definitely possible that you could have some sort of a
you know, reaction where where Christianity and America ends up
split between you know, or the our Christianity and then
some sort of weird But but the thing is that
one reason I wouldn't be too concerned with that right
away would be, you know, the Catholic version of their
novis orto weird statements about I guess certain groups. It's
even that's not like, that's pretty divorced still from like
the evangelical dispensationalist attitude. And so I don't know that
that you could link, like, I don't think those groups
would would match too well. They would that wouldn't be
a very I mean.
Speaker 1: Patriot or something like claim to be a Catholic.
Speaker 2: Didn't even know that, But I mean, I just I
can't really see like John Hagy and all of his crew, like,
you know, with a bunch of Roman Catholics. It just
doesn't seem that doesn't seem like that would work too well.
But you know, who knows, only thirty forty years, a
lot of these entities might not even exist anymore. They
might just literally just die out with no new converts.
Speaker 1: I suspect Protestantism will for all intentsive purposes die out
within the next century. I can't I just cannot see
how that's going to survive. It brings very little to
the table in regards to sacraments, mysticism, well.
Speaker 2: Also sterility, like you're not going to have young families.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the old oldest cohorts of Sunday attendees. I
did a stream. It was like in America it was Buddhist, Hindus,
Orthodox Christians and Muslims were like the only group that
the average attendee was below the age of forty.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, so yeah, nobody under forty wants these dead,
sterile Protestant churches which are like hanging giant you know,
rainbow and BLM banners everywhere that nobody wants that.
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Speaker 2: I got a question for you.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna do a stream tonight. It was gonna
be earlier before, but I forgot I had to do
an interview with John Heares today, so I moved tonight's
Geza Pyramids stuff. Everybody's talking about the Giza Pyramids and
the columns and all that. Now you get a stream
about go Beckley tepee and did you make it members
or something? I can't find it.
Speaker 1: Uh no, it shouldn't have been. I think it's still
on the channel.
Speaker 2: Because I tried to search it. I couldn't find it.
Maybe it's title something different, but yeah, I'll love I
want because I know in your stream you talked about
how there's not really any evidence of this being made
by tech or whatever. It could just be human. I
think that's what your argument. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to.
I wanted to clip that and talk about that on
tonight's stream. But tonight I'm gonna be talking about the
claims about the pyramid, what the evidence may or may
not suggest. I'll also be talking about some of these
other megaliths and ancivilizations and this kind of stuff, because
I haven't talked about that in probably five or six years.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the on the Geeze pyramid findings.
Speaker 2: It's interesting I can. I still can't discern how legitimate
the claims of the underground tunnel things are because I
keep getting conflicting data. I've looked at it for like
two days straight, and Grock keeps contradicting on it. I
can't tell whether that's just while conjecture or if it's
actually there. So it's not in the original paper. But
now suppose that the same people from that paper have
a new paper which is not yet peer review, but
they're making these claims. So if it's true, it would
suggest totally different history of that region and maybe even
like Nefhelm type stuff if it's true. But it may
not be true. So have you looked at it at all?
Speaker 1: I've been looking at it a little bit, but like you,
I got just in my cursory search. This was a
couple of days ago. I started to see that there
was a few exaggerations from what I was seeing by
people online about it, okay, and they were, you know,
they were a little bit more conspiratorial. So they immediately
went to Graham Hancock law, civilization, ancient technology, that type
of worldview, and it leads at least from them. What
I'm hearing is the narrative that it leads credence to
like the pyramids being like pyramids of energy, and that
the you know these coils that are amongst.
Speaker 2: These Yeah, that's like it's a giant battery or something.
I don't know all that, but like if there's structures,
I mean, that could suggest just you know, just a
whole other underground city or yeah.
Speaker 1: And and that's where I've I've done streams on like
ancient aliens and stuff like that, and you know, I
think that there's a lot of natural explanations. I think
that the the ancients weren't as totally ignorant as we
think they are, right, and if we watched the ind
I think that they thought in such a larger time frame.
And we think of building a pyramid, we like expect
it to be done within two years, like we have
the you know, these people are thinking in generations, and so.
Speaker 2: They would think about cathedral building for one hundred.
Speaker 1: Years exactly, and that's medieval, that's you know, so we're
talking ancient period. So but you know, what, do you feel,
like Graham Hancock sort of if let's just speculate if
there's this sort of redating because everybody wants to go
back to the twelve thousand year periods. So when go
Blacky TEPI, that's the whole thing is like, oh, we
had advanced humans of the fingerprints of the gods. There
you go.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was going to cover fingerprints of the gods.
Speaker 1: I think that's the astro theology of how Leo and.
Speaker 2: I think that it's fun and interesting to speculate, and
you know, I think everybody has a phase of where
you read Grand Hancock and you get that stuff, and
I did two of my twenties. I do think there's
genuinely mysterious things that we don't know how they you know,
megaliths and lost cities and underground civilizations and all that
that stuff does get The fact there was one, and
I don't know if you saw the recent one in
China was pretty mind blowing. There was a village in
China and they had this ancient sort of water well
that was kind of pouring water out of a rock
and it was not that big of a like cistern
type thing that had been there, and everybody in the
village just knew it as oh, that's the ancient you
know water well. We don't even know where the water
comes from. It's just the ancient sacred water well. So
they drained it somehow, and then they brought in this
team of archaeologists and all this, and they started digging
around it, and they found tunnels, and they found an
entire underground city with giant columns, not as giant as
the Egyptian court, but pretty amazing like this, and it's
so old nobody knows what it is. Like the Chinese
are like, you know, we don't even know. Nobody remembers,
you know what I mean. So I do think there's
these fascinating instances of stuff like this law civilizations and
like you said, like there's no reason to jump to
aliens or this nonsense. And most of the people who
are you know, claimants of that kind of stuff, like
very Bondanik and these like these people are frauds, you
know what I mean, Like they exposed as frauds. So
but I do think it's possible, if I was to
admit anything, if the Genesis six narrative, and if the
Titan narrative that's in some of the deepconomical text is true,
it's possible that, you know, the Book of Enich is
describing a period when you had aberrations in the ancient
world that perhaps required worship in human sacrifice at these sites,
and that is what led to a global flood. So
if these ancient civilizations had this thing going on, I
mean Plato talks about Atlantis being he doesn't mention giants
or tech, but he says, you have this ancient civilization,
it was destroyed like that God flooded it. So you've
got a lot of at the Station two. You know,
global flood myths in China.
Speaker 1: And that's where Hmcock and Randall Carlson. I mean, Randal
Carson is essentially proven and he's a New Age guy.
He's in the like the Sacred Jount, but he has
shown that there was a massive global flood that happened,
and that's just a historical fact. And it wasn't some
regional thing like I think what the typical narrative of
like the archaeologist was that these floods were like regional events.
He's saying, no, no, no, this was massive, This like
covered all like aspects of North America. This was not
a regional flood.
Speaker 2: Yeah. At the beginning, well, I mean, you know, fingerprints
of the gods he talks about early on, like the
is it down where the Anasca lines are? Is a
Peru that the Peruvians have a flood myth as well,
and they had this this prophecy of this you know
teacher who after the great flood, you know, told them
to live righteously and don't kill each other and kind
of giving him a basic kind of Ten commandments kind
of morality. So, you know, I think it's okay to
speculate within reason, right, you know, about this ancients, because
I just feel like we don't really know about the
ancient world, no.
Speaker 1: So, and so many sources have been corrupted, like and
there's been a historical narrative to to reframe things that
have happened. So it's so hard to like fully get
a grasp of the ancient world and like what they
are capable of, what they could do, what they couldn't do.
But it is fun and exciting sort of leading edge
thought of like rediscovering our past and maybe it wasn't
what we thought it was, but what I feel and
I'll move on here. But I've never seen anything regarding
some of these ancient legends that actually contradict the Biblical worldview.
If anything, it typically reinforces it. It's just that so
many people are new age that are into these topics
immediately go to the ancient alien thing or some type
of you know, advanced technology. But if you're just a
traditional Christian, like a lot of this stuff kind of
fits in a totally in accord with my worldview, I
don't see where you have to appeal to all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's ancient Chinese flood myth, which is at the
beginning of the I chain, right, yep, there's the Gilgamesh
legend yoga match epic. I remember in Bible college we
talked about how there's a flood story in Gilgameshe epic. Yeah,
so it's fair. And then you have you know, Peruvian
flood myth as well. So I mean, if the it
makes me think of another section in the Graham Hancock
thing where he took You've heard of the Periorus map, right,
I mean just speculating here, like if that map really
is describing some different, you know, underlying land underneath the ice.
I mean, perhaps a giant flood is what changed that,
you know what I mean? Like to me, a lot
of these things sound like a flood would explain a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Well, I have to check out your stream tonight.
That's going to be pretty fascinating. Because I have not
done a full deep dive. I came up to conflicting narratives.
I was like, Okay, maybe this stuff was just overhyped.
I'm not sure, what.
Speaker 2: Do you think about go Beckley Tepee? Like, uh, I
remember you're The claim is that like some of the
rocks are cut in a way that they couldn't do
back then or something.
Speaker 1: Right, yep, And that they basically this was technology that
was superior to what they had. And then the carbon dating,
which even then carbon dating isn't like rock solid, but
according to some of the carbon dating and stuff like that,
they are saying that this is the best site to
push back the timeframe to twelve thousand years ago. And
that's why Graham Hancock is so adamant about that particular
tie because that if it is true, because he has
some scientific credence to redating that site to potentially twelve
thousand years ago if that's the case, and he believes
that they built an entire city and then buried it,
which I'm not sure quite sure how that makes a
lot of sense, but that's why they claim it so preserved.
And there was a guy that I listened to that
recently went on Rogan. This was maybe within the last
six months, but he claims that there's like a huge
effort in Turkey to no longer excavate any more of
that site. And then the theories abound. Is it because
of it totally reshapes ancient history or is it because
if they if they keep it partial, they make more
money through tourism that wants to come and like see it.
I don't know, it's it's debated, but he recently was
bringing this up. I think he's the guy I forget
his name, but he's done a lot of stuff on
Atlantis and like arguing that it was that place inside
the Sahara Desert. If you know what I'm talking about.
There's here. Let me pull this up, so Google maps,
if you go to Bam Bam and Mauritania. If I
go here to like the layers here, there's this right here,
so you see this like massive circle.
Speaker 2: Oh, this would be the consent.
Speaker 1: Yes, So he claims this is actually the city of Atlantis,
and so they've done work here. Now it's really hard
to do any research because it's literally out in the
middle of the Sahara and it's super hard to stay
out there for long periods. This apparently was all underwater
at least the water was rounded at one point. Huh.
And so there's been multiple archaeologists in this. Guy has
a large YouTube channel. He's been on Rogan He thinks
and makes the affirmative claim that this is Atlantis right here.
Speaker 2: Huh. So I did not know, I'm not you. Have
you seen some of these claims of like like they
found like a giant pyramid I think in Serbia.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I have not looked into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was interesting because and the reason I think
that I'm going for a memory here, but the reason
I mean it may not be Serbia, maybe somewhere in Macedonia, remember,
somewhere in that region. Because the thought was, well, pyramids
and ziggorots are you know, not caucaus of stuff that's
Middle East or you know, ziggorotes in Latin South America
or whatever. But if there's ziggorots or assume that there's
a pyramid in Serbia, that would be pretty interesting, wouldn't
that In terms of the ancient world. And then there's another. Uh.
I'm split on the one in Antarctica because you know
I'm talking about Uh, there's a claimed pyramid there, which
sometimes when I look at him, like it's just a mountain,
and then from other angles it's like that looks like
a pyramid.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I don't know what that is. I saw
something wasn't like the largest pyramid ever found was recently
in like Indonesia or something. I thought it was in
Southeast Asia. And this was a thought. It was like
I think if you if you did a YouTube or
just an internet search would pop up. But it was
a Southeast Asian country. I can't remember exactly, but it
looked like it was part of a mountain. But it
turned out to be like what they believe to be
as a man made pyramid, and supposedly it's the found.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I didn't know that. So let me see
Bosnian pyramid claims the Mystery of Bosnias. Now this is
actually in a even like mainstream nor mey right, this
is Smithsonian. Let's see what they say. Because I knew
I'd read about this. I'm not sure how legit they
take it to be. They might be deblooking it. But
Visoko Bosnia, Bosnian pyramids, that actually that looks like a pyramid,
I mean, that does not look like a mountain if
you look it up, I mean from certain angles, that
looks like a straight up like well.
Speaker 1: And in China, I went to the Terracotta Warriors, which
is in Chian, the ancient capital of ancient China. And
when I was there, just within like the last decade,
so that I was there. I went there in twenty twelve,
and they had said within the last decade it was
discovered that what looked to be it just looked like
a big hill turned out to be a man made structure,
and that they had buried an emperor. And they recently
through sonar and stuff because they can't go in it
because they believe it's booby trapped and has all these
poisons and stuff because it's apparently, according to them, it's
filled with Terracotta warriors soldiers that were close to the emperor,
and a bunch of treasure inside. But they believe, based
on their understandings of these structures, that it's like booby
trapped and if you go in there, there's poisons, mercury,
all types of stuff. To try to kill somebody if
they were to take any of the treasure. But yeah,
that was I mean that's in the two thousands, right
next to a major museum in China, and they just
realized that a big hill was actually a man made structure.
Speaker 2: Huh. So they also found something recently too in one
of the Latin South American countries, like was it Aztec
or like a Maya or Inca, like a j underground
tunnel network that had never been discovered before. It was
pretty recent. Oh I got to find that. One of
the Chinese village though, because that one. That's the craziest.
I think all this might be. It's called the long
U Caves. Have you heard of this? I think this
is it. Let me make sure cas l O n
Gyou caves. I think this is it. Yes, this is it.
So it was just some village and then just drained
the water and they found this giant underground structure. I
don't even think they know like what it is. Oh wow,
like what like who you know? It's just forgotten, like
nobody remembers or knows like what Emperor said, build me
this cave?
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, it's I think that all that ancient it's fascinating.
I think there's definitely a story that has yet to
be told to what exactly happened and how these structures
they do. And that's and that's the whole thing with Graham.
Hancock's point is that all the ancients worship the stars,
and so all this stuff has to do with like
astrological symbolism and influence, and he kind of has a
New Age spirituality where they're harnessing the power of the
stars and all this different stuff. But I mean, I'm
not I'm not like, no, no, no, but I think
he I think he has a point that there is
some type of connection amongst all these ancient groups after
building these structures. There's clearly a phenomenon here.
Speaker 2: Definitely an astrological like worship alignment type of thing.
Speaker 1: Right right, which absolutely yeah, I don't think there's any
doubt about that. And the fact that they are all
over the world, I mean, they the Eastern Island statues
are still unexplainable. They don't understand how how the hell
they built those like weird statues of guys that were
they're found like in the ground.
Speaker 2: They're ginormous, So are they just heads or full bodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they yeah, they they've excavated some of that
stuff and they're they're ginormous and it would take hundreds
and hundreds of men to try to pull those across
like wooden, uh, like lumber, like timber, you know, you
lay timber down to try to roll it across it.
I mean it. They're huge and and apparently they're all
made it all in one piece.
Speaker 2: So well, that reminds me of the Have you seen that?
I think it's maybe I want to say Serbia again,
but that there's this place where there's like these giant
stones that kind of go out into the water and
it's like it's a road.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, are you talking about Japan?
Speaker 2: Maybe Japan? I can't remember. They don't know how it
got there, but it looks like it was a giant wind.
Speaker 1: They look perfectly Yeah, they're like perfect rectangles and the
sharp with sharp edges, it's like, how the hell? Yeah,
I've heard of spec. I think Graham's speculation is that
when the Great Flood happened, all this stuff went underwater
water before it was actually above water exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: People are saying we're getting into Billy Carson territory.
Speaker 2: No, dude, I mean we're getting into Bible Genesis territory exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that's what's happening is is as you know,
as time goes on, it's like the Bible is actually
being proven to be more accurate than anybody supposed. So
AC shout out to you. Brother throws in fifty bucks
says you may share this with Jay even though he
is a quantum KGB sorcer before the KGB went defunct.
Thank you so much, Ac, David.
Speaker 2: James AGB anymore. But people still say that, you know,
if you're Orthodox, you're like tied to the KGB, which
is I know, the KGB has been thirty five years
of defunct.
Speaker 1: So well, some of the stuff that people make up
about you is just hilarious. Uh, and man, and say
that you're some of the people you debate with are
so incredibly dumb that.
Speaker 2: We gotta we got a popular person debate Wednesday. I'm
gonna be debating. Uh do you know Dasha from Red Scare.
Oh yeah, she wants to debate Eastern Catholic versus Orthodox.
Oh my gosh, that would be Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Has no idea what she's getting into.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably troller.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, is that on your platform? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I told her she would come on the channel. I'm
gonna I'm gonna like make up stupid questions and like
assert stupid stuff that they don't believe, like just to
mess with her. I'm gonna say, well, you know, the
Eastern Catholics believe in eating weed on one of your holidays, right,
I'm just gonna mess with her.
Speaker 1: H one of the goods, throws intent, says, did Lawrence
of Arabia wear Cosby sweaters and have a gay lisp?
Speaker 2: If you watch the Gertrue Bell movie with Nicole Kibben,
Robert Pattinson plays to Lawrence. So so you can go
watch Robert Pattinson being skittles and determine whether you think
he has a lisp.
Speaker 1: Austin Detulio throws in five. Thank you very much. Brother.
Brendan Turner throws in five, says Britz. Keep saying they
can take back their country because look at the Spanish reconquista,
but the Spanish elites weren't pro Islam. They might be cooked. Yeah,
I think we discussed that. It's it's gonna be tough.
For Britain. I mean, I think, at least based on percentages,
Germany still has a chance if it stopped like in
the very near future and corrected course. But France and
especially England, I mean England at the percentage now, I
think it's almost twenty percent of the country. I mean,
it's that you just imported it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. God bless them, though, I hope.
Speaker 2: I mean, could you turn it back? I don't know.
It's a good question.
Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't without deportation, and I think that, yeah,
I can't. I don't see a single European nation outside
you know, Hungry or Poland, and that'd be in a local,
regional area. But I don't see any of them like
deporting anybody. So I don't. I don't see how they're
going to turn it back. It's just not going to happen.
Josiah throws in twenty Thank you so much, brother, he says,
God bless you and Jay. You are both changing the
world more than you know. God bless you well. Thank
you very much, Josiah were humble. H BROSSI says, what's
STG stand for? I don't know, so I STG. Jay
has the best normy tarred americanism man voice. I don't
know why a goofy ass mocking voice makes me laugh
so hard when I heard it a million times.
Speaker 2: I think you're talking about one of my normy when
I do the normy voice, that's what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you very much. H Brossi and Jehovah's
Thickness renewed his membership. Thank you very much, says Jay
talked about trauma. Do either of you have a stream
specifically covering on whys and hows of trauma? Is useful?
I pay for it, but import I do not have
anything on trauma specific.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Jamie and I've done. We got a
bunch of old archives streams about trauma based mind control. Yeah,
we got a bunch.
Speaker 1: Great, So go check those out. Uh. And the best
way when you're trying to find go to Jay's YouTube
channel on a desktop and click on the search and
then put because if you just search Jadeyer in the
topic in the YouTube search bar, multiple videos do not
come up. You have to go to the channel and
search it. So if anybody's looking for old stuff, that's
I know.
Speaker 2: What tepee stream is called I can't find.
Speaker 1: When we get off, I'll I'll go back through my
channel and send it to you.
Speaker 2: Because that's an example like when I search, you know,
I can't find your thing on that.
Speaker 1: And it may have I'll find out which stream it
may have been titled something that was related to ancient history.
So let me get off. I'll go back through my
my channel and look. H Browski throws another ten says
it's only a partial antidote to degeneracy. I think you're
talking about Islam. The young men seeking out Islam think
it's more base because they can comb with multiple wives
under that view, that plus abhorrence of Protestantism. Yeah, I mean,
and you've talked about this. I mean Islam is appealing
to like primitive senses in man, right, so you get
like it kind of has like prosperity gospel. So then
you know Allah's rewarded you with money. So now you
can have four wives and if you want, you can
you know, if you're in Chia, you can go purchase
a woman for a day. It has all types of
stuff that's about like worldly.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let's not forget the most obvious of
like people young, very young underage.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so Ayisha.
Speaker 2: Well but I mean PDF stuff, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah in general, yeah, the normalization of that in general. Yeah,
the was it the Baka Bachi boys of Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: Those are actually pagan but oh they're not Muslim. No.
I mean, I'm sure they tolerated. But uh, I'm pretty
sure like the Taliban was opposed to the dancing boys.
Speaker 1: Good Age Browsei said. I know it's not necessarily either
of you guys placed to answer this, or maybe just
don't know, but it seems to me that the Western
Europeans may have lost this slow burn war thoughts. Well,
I think we've already addressed it. I don't know how,
and Jay already said how they're going to turn this tide,
and the I don't see the gumption to do any
mass deportation or totally change course. So the best they
could do is just close off immigrant but there's so
many people it's already changed the fabric of the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I looked it up. The practice is like
an ancient, like a like a more of a pagan
thing in Afghanistan, and Islamic law has tried to ban it.
I'm not saying that makes.
Speaker 1: Like, well, you know, one of the things I found
interesting when I was doing a stream on the trans
stuff was that Iran is like the world leader in
surgeries that as long as you transition, it's not a sin.
Speaker 2: It's actually a world hub for that. Yeah, it's I mean,
people need to understand, like especially dumb right wingers that
want to think you can have the alliance with all
these wacko like I mean, she A beliefs are crazy.
It's it's it's not it's like, okay, so Rabbis have
a crazy philosophy. Oh, I guess that means I Ran
and she are good.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy exactly. No, and and yeah, and they
read that, you know, I see these people will read
like they'll get in like the traditionalist school and read
one book on Sufism and all of a sudden, like, no,
Islam's like super cool, dude, it's like neoplatonic. And it's like, no,
have you looked into like the religion of it, like
not just some Western portrayal of like Islamic mysticism, Like
it's it's totally incurably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true that like Sufi and you know, Sheia
Islam is neo platonic. But yeah, that doesn't mean that
it's based and tried and good.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. H Brossi said, I'm not trying to be mean,
but ex prostitutes will never stop running through those Protestant
church doors. They need to shield their past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're figuring out like it's a grift, right right
like people like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Pastor Nala given her dad her only fans money.
Bitter Klinger says, can Jay give us a John Hagy
talking about the Nephelam and Pyramids in personation.
Speaker 2: Friends, In my book In Defense of Israel, I approve
that the Nephileams set up the Pyramids and they did
it to fuck Israel with a giant Giza death star.
Speaker 1: Oh that was great. Uh Snagglebe's renewed as membership said,
have either of you done research on dodger Land? The
ruins under the north Sea lends credence to the food narrative,
for sure, I've never heard of the uh. No.
Speaker 2: In fact, I write, I welcome everyone suggesting these cities
and things in megalith because what you find is that
there's infinite of these. There's so many discovered cities and civilizations,
the megaliths. I can't even keep up with all that.
I got a stack of books on him, and I
can't even keep up with them. Dog girl.
Speaker 1: Interesting, No, I'm not. I am not familiar with this.
And somebody was saying that the YouTube channel that I
was mentioning that was on Jay Dyer and talked a
lot about like the Atlanta's being in the Sahara. I
believe it's called Bright Insight. It's a useful YouTube channel
because it really gives you sort of he gets very
deep into that worldview. So he's a very major proponent
of Graham Hancock and Raynal Carlson, so he's taking their
line of thought. But he's kind of always staying on
top of the latest research and papers that come out,
so it may be useful for research on streams. And
then H. Brossey says, if this stuff with the pyramids
is true, you do realize where the brothers and sistas
are going with that. Right? Your cube used to be
his big ass brain to do it.
Speaker 2: Y'all saw y'all saw my post. Right, I know what
the energy system was for? Yeah, growing, growing the hydroponics
up in there, right.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's how they talked to Anubis.
Speaker 2: Dank and notton right there. That's what that was for.
Speaker 1: Next one, Dave throws in two bucks, is has Jay
heard of or heard about Egyptians in the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 2: Yes, so there was an a there's an old news
article clipping that supposedly someone had found reference to or
a suggestion of Egyptian hieroglyphs in the Grand Canyon. I
don't know the provenance of that news clipping. One thing,
I will say, that's pretty fascinating. And I learned this
from Jamie because we were driving when we're on our
way to Vegas, we went through this area, want to say,
around New Mexico or Utah. I don't remember exactly where
this was, but there's this place where there's a like
a throne carved into stone out in the desert, and
it has these Hebrew letters on it. And can you
guess who faked that?
Speaker 1: Mormons?
Speaker 2: Yes, So, I mean, if there's a Grand Canyon thing
with I mean I might be timpted to think the
Mormons right stage that because they've done it in other
places to prove the Mormon story of the right Hebrews
in Utah or whatever. So, but I mean, then again,
maybe there is some stuff we just don't know about.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Bill Hicks says, epicxtreme guys, God blessed,
Thank you very much, Bill Nathan. We was kings back
in Egypt. We was kings and h BROSSI throws. Another
one says, just to get a step closer to the
goal every time you guys stream it's great. I hope
the asses will remember y'all in the Eschaton for the
number of catechumens you brought to the faith. Well, God willing.
And then we just had a couple over on Dono
chat Chat TBD. Anyone here understand hypotheticals. I think we all.
I think everybody here understands hypotheticals. H random use.
Speaker 2: One always ask the Muslims well.
Speaker 1: And Andrew asked all these girls about whether they ate
breakfast in the morning, how they feel they didn't need it. No,
It's it's amazing how people can't, like they do, not
understand generalities.
Speaker 2: Right or hypothetical yeah, or even just restting what your
argument is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, per capita seems to go over people's heads quite
a bit. Random user said, could I beat Jay Dyer
in a live debate, yes, but only under specific conditions.
Chat GPT real response.
Speaker 2: I don't think chat GBT and or that great in debates.
I mean we've been doing some videos experimenting with how
good they are debating, and they're not that great. So
I mean I found Rock to be the best because
he's it's kind of like an easier version of Wikipedia
that's not as lib as Wikipedia. So you know, if
you're asking Rock basically questions about you know, oh when
did you know when was James Angleton, the CIA desk
chief in Rome, Like he can give you those kinds
of things, but beyond that, it's not that great.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed any significant difference between Rock and chat GYBT.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Grock's better. I mean I haven't used
I haven't used jadgybt in a few months, and it
was it was pretty weak sauce dude, Like I remember
asking some questions in it, like cha, the chagy of
three or four months ago was literally contradicting itself within
like five minutes on the same question. I'm like, right,
you just told me this, But I found grow.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can get it if you respond, if
you ask it a question of respond and then you
are critical of the response, saying, oh, well you miss
this like you can get it to sort of go
off into ara.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean Grock's the same way, but I
found it to be a little better.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got.
Speaker 2: Him to even admit, like Grock was even like admitting
stuff about Victor Ostrowski's book, you know what I mean.
So it was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Judeo Islamic guy says the islam talk here reminded me.
I've heard it said several times that the modern world
for religion was invented for British colonialism. Not sure how
that works. I'm not bigly educated.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the modern world is created more or
less by the British similar, that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't know nickname. First name says, haven't seen you
both in a minute. What have you guys been up to.
I've been trying to finish my dissertation. I'll be turning
that in next week. So I think I've only streamed
like once or twice this month.
Speaker 2: Besides this, I know, yeah, I know, she haven't done
a whole lot.
Speaker 1: And uh, just because I've been I've been writing and
formatting and getting all that stuff done. So Uh, April,
I'll be back into the normal swing of things. But
you were just in Uh you were in person in Texas.
Didn't you just go to Texas?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were there for a funeral and then I
went ahead and did uh Lord Voldemort's Show. But also, uh,
you know, I was finishing us to start Calley with
three for the last few months. So oh, nice, got
that complete. It's a I got the rough rough drop
back from the editor and publisher and yeah, hopefully we'll
be it'll be out in the next couple of months.
Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome, man, that's got to feel good.
Speaker 2: It was a weight off, and it was because I
had really been writing a lot in the last five years.
I've been doing so many podcasts and videos that getting
back in the mode. And I'm sure you're experiencing that
too with your dissertation. Like it, if you do a
lot of podcasts and videos then you try to switch
back into writing, it's like a totally different mindset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's totally different. Yes it is. And it's that's
why for me is like I to do that stuff,
like I just have to be engrossed in it for
days at a time. I was trying to write and
like stream a day, or do research your stream and
then do it and then try to go back to it.
It's like you can't have so many thoughts go through
your head because then you lose track of all the
threads that you're writing about and trying to like weave together.
It's a totally different thing. And then last one on
Dono chat outside one says thank you both for the
great work. Curious how Russia play into utilizing its Islamic
factions to influence slash warfare and too destabilization efforts. I
ask as characters like Dugan speak about flooding Europe with Africans,
I've never heard. Is Dugan just describing what's happening or
he's I don't think Dugan ever advocates for flooding Europe
with Africans.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he said that. I mean, I
don't I've read Dugan's books. I'm not a regular follower.
I don't keep up with all the stuff that you know,
Dugan talks about it. I mean, I think because I
talked to him eight years ago, people assume that I'm
just like right, I mean, I'm critical of his he
has kind of gnostic influences in his positions and perennialist influences,
and I've never been interested in those positions. So I
think he's interesting to read, and he's interesting to to,
you know, hear his views on stuff. But I would
imagine that the way Russia projects influence and power is
not the same type of ways that the West does
it with total open borders. Maybe they, I mean, if
you look up active measures, that's kind of been their
approach to this stuff. If he listen to Mark Hackard
and the interviews that we've done, you know, Russia is
limited in its capabilities of what it does in foreign
espionage operations. I mean, they have illegals, they have units
and spies that do things like every other country. But
I don't think they have the kind of capabilities of
what the democratic establishment in America claims that they have,
right like the Democrats or they're running everything. They've got
Trump and they've got you know, Elon Musk in their
pocket and they're all you know what I mean, it's
just these outlandish claims. At the same time as the
same democratic media is like Russia's collapsing, They're losing the war,
they're bankrupt, but at the same time they're like running
Donald Trump. Like none of it makes any sense. So,
I mean, I don't know if they have any plans
of pushing open borders, but it's I guess it's possible,
but I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems like Russia would be a natural nationalist ally
if if the sort of globalist world, or if Trump
truly was getting out of NATO and getting out of
the enterprise of empire building. You know, I saw that,
at least according to reports, they had that two and
a half hour conversation that they wanted to establish direct
flights between New York and Moscow again and open up tourism.
I think that'd be that'd be great if they could
get that get that done.
Speaker 2: By the way, when I mentioned active measures, I'm not
referring to the documentary that is supposed to prove that
Donald Trump is a Russian agent. I'm referring to the
actual plan from like how how Russia views its intelligence
capabilities that they call active measures, which is it ranges
from media to specific actions of black ops, this kind
of stuff. And then like because of that term, you
had people latch onto that term and say, oh, we'll
see that means putince involved in compromising Donald Trump and
making him an operative. But it goes back to Soviet
intelligence as to one of their plans of how they
engage in subversion. But one of the things that was
mentioned maybe ten twelve years ago was that because Russia
is not as powerful as the West, they don't have
the ability to engage in all the same types of
operations that NATO and the West have. So one of
their strategies has been to push more truth based narratives.
And that's why you'll see a lot more of artsa
RT for example. I mean, they're more banned and censored
in the West since the war. But prior to that,
you noticed that Art was pushing a lot of the
same stuff that Lord Goldemart pushed, right, And that's because
the idea was that it's more effective to just go
after truth based narratives in terms of journalism versus the
way that America runs its international disinformation networks and campaigns,
which requires a lot of lying, a lot of money,
a lot of you know, international writers, ap like all
this stuff which turns out junk. That takes a lot
more money and power and effort to run a giant
network of this info. And so Russia's vantage point was
that it's more effective to run truth based narratives versus
massive disinfo like the West.
Speaker 1: Does right well, and to your point, I think I
saw a clip of Tucker Carlson recently interviewed like Rick
Sanchez or somebody used to be on Fox News or something.
Now he had like a he's Cuban conservative guy American,
but he has a show on RT, and he was
talking about how they don't censor anything that he wants
to talk about, and that RT he said he was
surprised once he joined his own show. I think Larry
King's on ART still that like they are huge. ART
is huge in places like India and like other parts
of the world, Central and South America. RT is ginormous,
and so he was talking about how it's if your
message is to get globally. Meanwhile, it's banned here in
the United States, but he was talking about how they,
like it's the only media company he's worked for that
does not curate your show or your message. And gets
back to your point, is like they allow people to
have dissident information that's truthful and and it's built up
a credibility in which that art is trusted and incredibly
popular in different parts of the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a better strategy from their advantage point
if you're a smaller player versus a larger Western player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes total sense. H ROSSI threw in another one
that have y'all seen the Sneako video with that chic
He's watch it. If not, you see firsthand why they
have no arguments that don't understand ours. Yeah, we mentioned
that earlier out apparently Sneak who had no idea he
had to believe in the Hadith. Awesome.
Speaker 2: It's weird because people have been bringing up for a
good while now, like you know, you know you're ISLAMI
beliefs are more than just the Quran, right, I mean
it's people.
Speaker 1: Would criticized if I remember right, like during life troops,
because he would be openly critical of things in the Hadith,
and then Muslims that follow him and would say you
can He'd like, no, no, no, I don't question the Quran.
It's just the hot eth you think you don't, you know,
he'd give an example. You think that's that's real, you
think that's factual. And then he talked with the She's like,
who are you to who are you to judge?
Speaker 2: Well, this is what you get. This is what these
idiots are going to find out the hard way. Like,
maybe you should have done a little more investigating and
heart out some you know, some of the opponent's positions
before you jumped into this dumb cult.
Speaker 1: So last super check at is H. Brossey Again, thank
you so much brother for the general support today. Say,
I've come to the conclusion that the tiny hats make
the right decision by not prostlytizing. They can't get past
the theophanes of the in the Old Testament and might
suffer the same online embarrassment as the muzzies.
Speaker 2: All right, I mean I don't. I don't think the
you know, rabbinic philosophy and take in and believers are
very interested in debating. They don't. Every now and then
there's one who will, but it's very rare. But I
thought that Sam Schuman's recent debate with that young Orthodox
British Jewish guy was pretty good debate. And the whole
debate ended up being about all these theophanies.
Speaker 1: So right, and then Flannams throws in five says, always
enjoy when DPH and J do streams together. Well, thank
you very much, brother, and Jay, I know that you
got to go do his stream apologize.
Speaker 2: I moved back a little bit, so I got to
eat dinner and then we'll help scream after rit dinner.
But yeah, thank you for having me. It was a
great conversation. I was glad to stay long.
Speaker 1: No. I I appreciate it because the overview you did
on that fourth hour on InfoWars, that was the best cover,
and you did it so can you only had because
the breaks you only have like thirty forty minutes, and
you hit on all these points about why Islam is dangerous,
how it's been used as a subverting force, and why
it's coming to take over in a militaristic way a
Western Europe and they're not gonna be able to stop
it unless they wake up.
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 1: And then to Ortho Orthodox Boom or Grandma just threw
in twenty said thank you guys, thank you, and then H.
Brossey said it's only right that I get past the line. Well,
thank you very much, H Brosey. So anyways, guys, that's
gonna do it. Jay's gonna be live here after eats dinner,
So go over to Jay's channel and we'll be watching
him talk a little bit about the latest on the
Geeza Pyramids. So God bless you guys, and I will
see you in the next one as always, until then,
God bless