1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This is David Patrick Carey 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,320 with Church of the Eternal Logos and I am joined 3 00:00:06,679 --> 00:00:11,279 by author, researcher comedian Jay Dyer. How you doing today, brother? 4 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: What's up? Man? So glad to be back with you. 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,720 And as I was telling you before the show, I 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,399 really appreciate you having me on to discuss this because 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,519 it's one of my favorite topics. Sam Tripley is the 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,960 only other person that's invited me on to talk about it, 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,839 So yeah, I love to nerd out about this topic. 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,559 So I really appreciate you having me back. 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,559 Speaker 1: Home, horse man. That blows my mind because we were 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,359 planning on doing this sometime the end of last year, 13 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:37,119 but you know, life and everything just keeps getting the way. 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,679 And I raped out to you after one of your 15 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:42,560 fourth hours and I was like, dude, and you basically 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,200 covered like this topic in brevety brevity. It was like 17 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:47,119 I think it was like forty some minutes. And I 18 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,159 was like, dude, that was fantastic. That was so much 19 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,960 stuff I had never heard. And You're like, oh, well 20 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:54,759 we should do a stream on it. I was like, yeah, absolutely, 21 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,840 So I appreciate you and all your work and coming 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,439 over here and kind of sharing some of your wisdom 23 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:05,079 with us. So you know, I'm going to be more 24 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,280 of a person asking questions and prying into your knowledge 25 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,000 because I tried to do some preliminary research on this topic, 26 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:13,200 and I was wanting to reach out to you. Maybe 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,680 there was a particular paper or something to read, or 28 00:01:16,079 --> 00:01:18,799 specific books, but I'm just kind of going through the 29 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:22,000 Internet and finding blogs and stuff, and some of some 30 00:01:22,079 --> 00:01:23,840 of what you mentioned was in there, but you had 31 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,799 a lot more details. How do you where would you 32 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,599 begin and introducing this topic? I mean, do you do 33 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,879 you start with like Lawrence of Arabia some of the 34 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,640 earlier where do you see this topic? It was sort 35 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,439 of intro into it. Maybe from the outset I could 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,599 recommend what some of the good literature on the topic 37 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:45,840 is because there's a lot, but a lot of people 38 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,239 don't know what that is or where to find it. 39 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: So some of the books are more recent, some of 40 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,799 them are a few decades old. But my entrance into 41 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,200 this subject matter was indirect. It was through watching documentaries 42 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,640 back in two thousand and three. I won't say the 43 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,199 documentary because it might trigger something, but Jason Burmas did 44 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:11,879 a well known documentary back then, and that kind of 45 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:15,960 at first hitped me to Middle Eastern stuff, and you know, 46 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:19,400 I liked history of England and British Empire stuff, so 47 00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:23,319 that's maybe my entrance into that subject matter was back then. 48 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,560 But I would say even throughout the two thousands, I 49 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,400 really didn't know a whole lot about it. And I'm 50 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,479 not an expert. I wouldn't say I have like a 51 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,360 PhD level knowledge of it, but I have a pretty 52 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,039 good knowledge and I've read a lot of books on it, 53 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,680 so I think I can speak to it. Probably the 54 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:42,960 best introductory book for this subject would be F. William 55 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,840 Ingdall's book Lost Hedgemon, because he goes into kind of 56 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:50,680 the layout of the Middle East and the basics of 57 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:55,639 the game plan from the West and from the competitors 58 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,439 to the West, which were different competitors at different times. 59 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:02,599 If you go back to the late eighteen hundreds, it 60 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:05,439 was it's called the Great Game, and this is Russia 61 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:11,199 versus the Anglo power, right, so it's the UK right, 62 00:03:11,439 --> 00:03:17,639 what becomes the Atlanticist establishment during the Cold War. Lost 63 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:23,120 Hegemon is a great place to start for understanding the background. Then, 64 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,080 I would say for more specifically kind of what we're 65 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,599 talking about today. Mark Curtis, who's a Royal Society researcher. 66 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,199 He wrote a book called Secret Affairs, and it's a 67 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,879 really good five hundred page book. And I want to 68 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:40,080 stress that most of the material that I'm referencing or 69 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,080 talking about is not conspiracy material. So you'll notice again 70 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,759 Curtis is a He works for the Royal and Sugar 71 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:49,719 National Affairs. Okay, so this is up near the top 72 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:52,520 of the pyramid in the West, so it's not anything 73 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,319 to do with, you know, outlandish theories or whatever. I 74 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,759 try to stick to the academic literature on this topic. 75 00:04:02,439 --> 00:04:04,520 There's another really good book that approaches it, not so 76 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:08,080 much from the UK angle as that book does, but 77 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,879 Robert Dreyfuss's book Devil's Game is the next book I 78 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:17,839 would recommend, and that book approaches the US's alliance with 79 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:23,439 various factions and versions of radical Islam for the last 80 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:26,800 sixty seventy years as part of the Great Game, as 81 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:32,000 part of the Cold War, and other really important texts too. 82 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:37,480 I'll just mention in passing would be probably gals Mounier. 83 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,279 It's m U N I E. R. Black Gold, spies. 84 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:47,800 He's a French researcher and writer, and this is the 85 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:50,120 last book I covered on the subject, and it was 86 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,000 it was also really good, So this might actually be 87 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:56,240 a better starting point for people who are into just 88 00:04:56,319 --> 00:04:59,920 the history of the British Empire's approach to the Middle East. 89 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,879 And then some years back I interviewed the author's gold 90 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:07,680 and Fitzgerald, who wrote the book Invisible Empire, which is 91 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,600 about the history of the British Empire's approach to Afghanistan. 92 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,560 So those are some of the starting point texts if 93 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,079 you people do find this interesting. And then there's kind 94 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:22,240 of a magnum opus mega work that's very difficult, and 95 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,319 it's Stephen Dorrell's massive It's about a thousand page book 96 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,879 history six and this comes at it from a very 97 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:34,720 critical perspective. There's other texts as well, obviously tragedy and hope. 98 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,560 Obviously Anglo American establishment by people would be important as well. 99 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,000 And in the Milliner Fabian text by Jowan Ratu has 100 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,240 multiple chapters that are very relevant to what we're talking 101 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,040 about today. And this can just keep going on and on. 102 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:49,519 I mean, you can get into the history of you know, 103 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,959 Ian Fleming's life, and although it doesn't relate necessarily to Islam, 104 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:56,240 it gives you kind of window into you know, British 105 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:59,879 operations and you know their approach to the Great Game, 106 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,879 which is unique. It's earlier than the US and for 107 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:09,199 many people who may not be aware, British intelligence is 108 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:13,600 who sets up American intelligence. So you can even go 109 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,079 back to early as the Inquiry, which is prior to 110 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,720 the OSS, the first so called intelligence establishment in American 111 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:24,759 nineteen forty two under FDR and all that, and then 112 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,199 we get the nineteen forty seven Security Acts which creates 113 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,879 the CIA we know of as the CIA. So British 114 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,879 intelligence is who came over here and set that up 115 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,480 for us. So it's a pretty wild story, but this 116 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,000 is how we kind of get America doing what the 117 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,680 British Empire did, as you pointed out, back to the 118 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,639 time of T. E. Lawrence. So want a movie introduction 119 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:53,079 to this subject matter? Actually, yes, the Peter O'Toole famous 120 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,800 movie where he plays T. E. Lawrence the bisexual, perhaps 121 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:04,000 not even bisexual, perhaps just skittles of the British Empire. 122 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:08,639 But what's fascinating And I'll stop yapping after this because 123 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,079 and there's tons more books and documentaries. But one thing 124 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,920 that's fascinating is how much of this relates to the 125 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,519 establishment of the nation State of Israel, and this plays 126 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:25,920 into the Balfour Declaration. This plays into the establishment of 127 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:30,639 a Jewish state, which I believe it or not, many 128 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:35,399 of the pro Arabist British spies were very opposed to, 129 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:38,399 and so there was a faction amongst the British elite 130 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,319 Rothchilds and others who favored the nation state of Israel 131 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,240 being in the Middle East, and most of the Arabist 132 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,040 British spies actually were opposed to this, and they said 133 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:52,399 it was going to cause all these problems and wars. 134 00:07:52,439 --> 00:07:55,560 It was a powder k It was you know, unfair 135 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,800 to the people that were there at the time, and 136 00:07:57,879 --> 00:07:59,839 even that was unfair to Jews who were being put 137 00:07:59,879 --> 00:08:04,959 in this sort of maybe less than desirable location for 138 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:08,480 geostrategic reasons. So they're kind of like a chess a 139 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,000 chess piece basically. So it's huge. It ties into oil. 140 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:14,959 It's a lot of it hass to do with oil 141 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,800 and resource war, and that's what a lot of the 142 00:08:17,839 --> 00:08:20,759 wars are for is resources well. 143 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I always found 144 00:08:23,839 --> 00:08:27,000 just doing preliminary research, is that, like you said, this 145 00:08:27,079 --> 00:08:31,439 is not a conspiracy, This is just facts that British 146 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,519 intelligence has been noted multiple times of encouraging radical Islamic 147 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,799 groups that are that are explicitly like anti West. And 148 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,840 when you bring up Israel, you know, the whole narrative 149 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,919 is that that's like a Western nation in the Middle East. 150 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:48,440 And this is one of the reasons why there's such 151 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,360 a great ally is that they have all this cultural 152 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,879 sympathies to us and the you know, expansion of the 153 00:08:54,919 --> 00:09:00,120 same sort of Western project. So why is it, I 154 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,960 think we already know the sort of false dialectic and 155 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:07,440 everything like that, But in regards to oil control, the 156 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:11,639 expansion of Israel, how is it that British intelligence when 157 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,159 did they begin to really see, you know, facilitating these 158 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:21,440 hobbyists and these radical Islamic groups as a geopolitical and 159 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,639 strategic tool to actually gain power and expand. 160 00:09:25,639 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you go back to the period of 161 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:32,960 the British Empire when it was beginning to kind of wane, 162 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:39,879 you see competitors that they wanted to have every possible 163 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:46,200 advantage against. So those competitors were France, Turkey, the Ottomans 164 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,960 and Russia. So you basically have these powers involved in 165 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,519 a big game to control this region for multiple reasons. 166 00:09:56,639 --> 00:09:59,080 Resources are a huge part of it. Hence the title 167 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,080 of Munye's book, Black Gold Spies. That's the oil which 168 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,240 once oil discovered, that kind of becomes one of the 169 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:11,720 main motivators for the British explorers and archaeologists who are 170 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:15,600 the spies. They're not really there to you know, learn 171 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,840 the cultures because they just let Now, some of the 172 00:10:17,879 --> 00:10:21,879 people did love the cultures, right, They really did immerse 173 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,279 themselves in the local traditions and the ethnography of these peoples. 174 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,320 In fact, some of them may have actually converted to Islam. 175 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,799 It's hard to know whether they really were converts or 176 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,759 whether they were just doing it for their espionage cover, 177 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,759 like Saint John Philby, that's the father to Kim Philby, 178 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:45,639 the famous turncoat Soviet spy who was a British operative 179 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,639 during the Cold War, who, along with the other you know, 180 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,159 famous Cambridge spy ring went to the Soviet Union. Because 181 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,159 they've decided that most of them, by the way, were 182 00:10:55,159 --> 00:10:58,919 also skittlesmen, so they were also compromised, and that was 183 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,960 part of what the KGB was very effective in doing 184 00:11:02,039 --> 00:11:07,000 the Cold War was compromising skills operatives. But regardless, way 185 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:11,200 earlier than that, you had Philby's father as one key example. 186 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,279 Beyond probably t Lawrence is probably the most famous, but 187 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,080 probably the next most famous would be Saint John Philby 188 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,559 who went and became a He converted to Wahabism, and 189 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,039 he seems to have been pretty serious about it, even 190 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,200 if it was spy cover. He did it really well. 191 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:32,639 I mean, he'd donned the garb, he went full hobby, 192 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,279 and this was probably what was necessary for him to 193 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,159 be able to strike deals with for certain tribes and 194 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,679 you know, basically helped to set up what we know 195 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,159 of as the Saudis. So the British Empire went in 196 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,919 and they wanted to set up their men, put their 197 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,519 proxies pay off, and have their tribal chieftains right running things. 198 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,360 And this is what they did, not just with men's 199 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,279 spies like Lawrence and Saint John Philby, but and there's 200 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,519 many others, but also with women, which is kind of weird. 201 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:09,399 There's a couple famous British Arabist women spies, and that 202 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,960 might have actually been very useful precisely because they were women, 203 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:16,759 because you know, the Arabs and the tribes might not 204 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,840 have expected, you know, this lettered you know, frail British woman, 205 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,639 you know, to be a spy. But in the case 206 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,240 of Gertrude Bell Frey as Stark, these are two a 207 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:30,440 pretty famous, wealthy British women who ended up being British 208 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,799 spies who helped set up in the case of Iraq, 209 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,759 like basically they just chose, okay, it's going to be 210 00:12:38,759 --> 00:12:42,960 even south and we create Iraq. Iraq is a created 211 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,000 country by the British Empire, as is Saudi Arabia. And 212 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,799 to get back to the main point, I'll stop yapping. 213 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,080 One of the ideas was to control Mecca, right, So 214 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,440 the British Empire thought, if we could control Mecca, that'd 215 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,759 be a huge positive for geopolitics in terms of how 216 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:04,879 we managing control Islam. That would be a blow to 217 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:09,679 the Ottomans. And so once the Ottomans were falling apart, 218 00:13:10,279 --> 00:13:13,919 you have this secret deal called Syke's Pico and this 219 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:19,720 divides up amongst Russia, France and England the Middle East, 220 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,679 and this is kind of how we have the Middle 221 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,679 East that we know today, with many of these countries 222 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:27,399 kind of being creations of the British Empire. So you've 223 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:31,639 got like Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, these are all former 224 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:37,639 British areas. And it's not just the British. Russia and 225 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:41,799 France tried the same thing. It's just that, for whatever reason, 226 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,840 the British ended up being the most successful in getting 227 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,840 a hold of areas in the Middle East. And Napoleon 228 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,919 tried it, the French tried it, the Csars tried it. 229 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,639 They just for whatever reason, we're not as successful as 230 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:57,960 the British. 231 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: How close do you so? Taking a step back in 232 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:05,200 regard to the royal family in Saudi Arabia, one of 233 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,720 the things that I saw, but I didn't see any 234 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,200 citations just looking that they believe that the British intelligence 235 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,039 was instrumental in placing them in power. Absolutely, What are 236 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:14,759 your thoughts on that? 237 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's without question. I mean, it's just pretty much 238 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:23,240 that's the history. You know, there's a movie that was 239 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:25,960 just made that's not that great, but it was a 240 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,759 decent movie presentation of what's in the GUIs Mounier book. 241 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:35,360 Nicole Kidman actually played a Gertrude Bell in the I 242 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:37,279 don't know if it's a Netflix movie or something, but 243 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,639 it's like something like Woman of the Desert or something 244 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:42,440 like that. It was a okay movie. It's a little slow, 245 00:14:42,519 --> 00:14:45,759 but it's I mean, it's fairly accurate according to what 246 00:14:45,799 --> 00:14:49,240 they relate about her history and her background. But yeah, 247 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:55,240 so basically, Lawrence was kind of the guy for and Philby. 248 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,240 They were kind of the guys that were doing Wish 249 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:08,360 Empires operations in the Saudi Arabian region, and they just 250 00:15:08,519 --> 00:15:12,159 chose these tribal chieftains that they had the best rapport 251 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,759 with and the ones that they thought, you know, would 252 00:15:14,799 --> 00:15:17,840 be the most useful. And I mean, I don't have 253 00:15:17,879 --> 00:15:20,279 any proof of this, but I mean I don't think 254 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,639 it's accidental that they sent Lawrence in who was, you know, 255 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,279 at least bisexual, if not just and so because he 256 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:31,279 could have been a very good operative for compromising people. 257 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,759 And if you think about, you know, in terms of Islam, 258 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,440 if somebody was compromising that way with Lawrence, I mean, 259 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,240 that would be the end, right, So that would be 260 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,600 powerful a compromise. But we'll also have to understand that 261 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,320 not many people realize that Lawrence was operating at the 262 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:52,600 behest of the Milner Fabian socialist circles of Lord Rothchild, 263 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,960 Lord Milner, Cecil Rhodes, and as handler was a guy 264 00:15:57,039 --> 00:16:01,519 named David Hogarth who was known as his quote spiritual father. 265 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,559 He might have been his handler in more ways if 266 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,600 you catch what I mean, right, I'm being serious. I 267 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,080 mean this is I know how this stuff works. 268 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,879 Speaker 1: You know, I totally believe the real world here. 269 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: But another thing that people don't know that's worth mentioning 270 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,679 in regard to the Saudi stuff is that throughout the 271 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,759 Middle East they had also set up quite a few 272 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:31,080 Masonic lodges, and the Masonic lodges were also a means 273 00:16:31,159 --> 00:16:33,879 by which the British Empire was able to do a 274 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:37,799 lot of intelligence work. They got a lot of information 275 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:41,279 and intel through the Masonic lodges, so that played a 276 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,200 role which not many people know about. But Mounier mentions 277 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,080 that in his chapter on to E. Lawrence, And basically 278 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:50,080 they just found that. I think the key here is 279 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,279 that it's not so much which ideology they liked the best, 280 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,799 but I think that what happens is the Wahabbi Salafi 281 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:05,279 radical verse is a great destabilizing force, right, So it's 282 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:08,359 great as a kind of a cult means of controlling people. 283 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:11,799 If you can control the tribal chieftains and the you know, 284 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:15,640 emoms and all that. Uh, and it's great for destabilization 285 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,960 when you need to use it. And this explains actually 286 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:22,680 what the former head of Massad recently just said in 287 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:26,279 a massive interview on Al Jazeera. They asked him why 288 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,480 has Israel more recently been supportive of al Nustra in 289 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:36,279 Syria and the destruction of the previous Baphist you know, 290 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,240 assad secular type regime, nationalis type regime, And it's because 291 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:44,799 it's a destabilizing force. And that's nothing new in regard 292 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:47,960 to what the former Massadead was saying. This is just 293 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:52,640 the old British strategy that these types, these types of 294 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,079 Islam are great for destabilization. 295 00:17:55,319 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: Right, that makes total sense. And one of the things 296 00:17:57,519 --> 00:18:00,640 that I saw, I was not totally surprised, but I 297 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,200 thought was, oh, that's pretty interesting. Makes a lot of sense. 298 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:05,359 Is I recently did a stream maybe a month or 299 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,799 two ago on the city of London and it being 300 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:11,880 this sort of the second largest financial center in the world, 301 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,519 and how it has this black market where all this 302 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:16,720 money is flows through. So if you have if you 303 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,079 have dirty money, you want to do business in London. 304 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:25,119 And I found that what was it. Salad Ramadan he 305 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:28,200 was like one of the head of the Muslim Brotherhood 306 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:31,279 that when he was like leaving the Middle East, he 307 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:34,359 had refuge in the city of London. And so him 308 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:40,200 in a handful of like Muslim Brotherhood radicals. They all 309 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:43,119 like once once their gig was up, they just left 310 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,000 and went back to London. I thought, oh, that's interesting. 311 00:18:46,039 --> 00:18:49,000 And then you connect you know, the Balfour Declaration, the 312 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:51,920 roth Child money and and and then the support for Israel. 313 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,160 It's like very interesting how all that stuff circulates and 314 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,839 it takes you always back to London. 315 00:18:58,039 --> 00:19:01,079 Speaker 2: It does, and that's why people have called it Londanistan. 316 00:19:01,519 --> 00:19:06,480 It's because you have a very old lineage of linking, 317 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,640 you know, the British elites with Islam. And there's many 318 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,319 reasons for that. A lot of it's tactical geopolitical, as 319 00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:17,759 we've talked about in terms of the beginning of the 320 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:23,559 Great Game, but it's also because many of the British 321 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:28,359 elite structure, because of the imperial because of the expanse 322 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,319 of the Empire, you have many people who were committed 323 00:19:31,759 --> 00:19:34,480 I mean they were aerobi files, and so a lot 324 00:19:34,519 --> 00:19:38,319 of that elite power power structure. For example, Gertrude Bell, 325 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,319 who came from a very wealthy family, she for whatever reason, 326 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,160 just fell in love with all of that region. She 327 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:47,319 was she was such an odd ball as a woman, 328 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,799 which is totally out of character. You know, in the 329 00:19:50,279 --> 00:19:53,559 in the early nineteen hundreds, she goes to Iran and 330 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,359 learns Farsi and starts translating Rumi's poetry, which is just 331 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,640 really odd for or that kind of a woman. And 332 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,599 I think the movie version with Nicole Kimmitt actually portrayed that. 333 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,160 Even though it wasn't that great of a movie, it 334 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,880 portrayed that pretty well. So you did have this faction 335 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,440 in this group that really loved it. And I think 336 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,400 more recently people will look at, you know, King Charles 337 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,359 and oh, look he's given money to the Sufi Orders, 338 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,799 and here he is wearing the Sufi garb, and they'll 339 00:20:21,799 --> 00:20:25,559 act like he converted to Sufism. I mean maybe, but 340 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,039 I think from the vantage point of, you know, somebody 341 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,759 like him, religion is just kind of a tool for 342 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,799 power if you're the state. You know, most people at 343 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:40,960 that level are not perhaps ideologically committed, and so you 344 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:44,279 want to use these groups when they're useful. So it 345 00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:46,519 doesn't mean you're necessarily committed to Wahabism, it doesn't mean 346 00:20:46,519 --> 00:20:51,400 you necessarily committed to Sufhism, but those elements can be useful. 347 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,720 I mentioned Muslim Brotherhood real briefly because Muslim brother is 348 00:20:54,759 --> 00:20:57,680 a great example coming out of Egypt of a group 349 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,519 that was created with some doobie origins. I think Albana 350 00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:06,480 is a very suspicious character if you look at Dreyfus's book, 351 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:10,160 there's a great chapter on him. But they were a 352 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:15,799 broader political activist movement that wanted to expand Sunni Islam 353 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,160 into politics. And what's interesting about them is that the 354 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,079 CIA and British British Intelligence CIA made an open alliance 355 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,240 with the Muslim Brotherhood in the forties and fifties because 356 00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:32,279 they saw them as a potential hedge against Soviets. So 357 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,759 just like the British Empire might want to align themselves 358 00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:42,799 with say Saudi or other types of Muslims against Ottoman 359 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,440 Turkish dominance. Right, so you're playing one kind of Islam 360 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,920 against another. Same model goes on in the Cold War 361 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,799 where there was a period if you read moles Copeland's 362 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:57,680 biography where he says they the CIA toyed with pan 363 00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:01,480 Arabism or Arab nationalism. They actually supported the Bathist at 364 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,640 one point, and this is why you can find those 365 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:10,759 old images of like that Saddam had CIA support when 366 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:13,680 he was early on a Bathist and you'll notice there's 367 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,799 a picture of him shaking hands with Rumsfeld. Right, So 368 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:21,880 there's an old CIA linkage between the Bathists and Western intelligence. 369 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,759 But what happened was when the Cold War kicked off, 370 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:31,119 the secular nationalist Arab pan Arabis movements were swinging more 371 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,279 and more towards the Soviets, and so the CIA saw 372 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,319 them as less of an ally and becoming more of 373 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,599 a threat because they might get assistance from the Soviet Union. 374 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:43,400 So that made the CIA then say, okay, now we're 375 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,640 going to do this older British strategy. We're going to 376 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,440 link ourselves up with the more radical factions and sections 377 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,799 of Islam. Hence the alliance with in this case Mulsom 378 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:56,880 Brotherhood in nineteen fifty six. This is called Operations Straggle, 379 00:22:57,519 --> 00:22:59,559 and this was a joint venture of CIA and m 380 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,519 I to use a mother Brother Muslim brotherhood to stage 381 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,240 a coup in Syria. That coup was not successful, but 382 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:11,599 this came about because one of these women who were 383 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:15,200 British intelligence operatives that we talked about, like Gertrue Brothers, 384 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:17,960 there's no one named Freya Stark. And Freya Stark was 385 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,440 a woman who was sent out to do reconnaissance for 386 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,559 the British impart throughout the Middle East and she had 387 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:27,799 made these contacts with Muslim brotherhood figures, and Miles Copeland 388 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:31,599 in Game of Nations says, yeah, we turned to T 389 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:35,480 E R R O R because anytime Nasar gave us 390 00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:38,279 a problem, and he was he was a CIA consultant 391 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,279 to Nasar. He says, anytime that he gave us a problem, 392 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:44,160 we could just say, well you might you might have 393 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,759 a little bit of a T E R R O 394 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,680 R problem on your hand if you don't do what 395 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:50,279 Washington and the CIA wants. So you can begin to 396 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:51,559 see how the game works. 397 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: Yep, classic problem reaction solution. So you're we've kind of 398 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,680 discussed here a large history. Where would you pinpoint the 399 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,720 beginning of British intelligence involvement with Islam? Specifically? Is it 400 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,359 with T. E. Lawrence? I mean, where if you had 401 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,119 to describe the beginning of the process. 402 00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:15,759 Speaker 2: Well, I think for the modern world and the Great Game, 403 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,160 it would be that. But I would imagine that I'm 404 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,799 sure the British Empire had you know, Islamic connections going 405 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:26,359 all the way back to you know, the you know 406 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,359 time of Elizabeth and all of that. I don't know, 407 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,079 It's interesting when you go back to like that time period, 408 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,039 there's less and less written about espionage exploits, you know, 409 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,079 going back into the fifteen hundreds and sixteen hundreds. But 410 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,079 I would imagine, you know, they had they had those 411 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:44,720 connections back then. But for what I know about is 412 00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:47,240 just the more recent, you know, post to the Great 413 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:50,559 Game stuff, which you know, really the reason this is 414 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:54,359 so important for us is that we're still seeing this 415 00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:57,640 play out now in the Middle like the battles and 416 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,359 the things that you see happening in the Middle East 417 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,960 where you know what Israel. I just did a live 418 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:08,559 stream the other day about Lebanon, the Cia, Syria, Jordan 419 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,319 and you know, all that area around Israel that's playing 420 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,119 out because of the presuppositions of what the British Empire 421 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,119 set up. So everything that we're dealing with today is 422 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,039 rooted in the British imperial layout and structure. And this, 423 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,319 for example, is why the when Israel started to have 424 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,880 its own wanted to exert its own power. I guess 425 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,440 you could say they were not happy with being a 426 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,000 British colony, and so you had the Irgun, the Stern Gang. 427 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,559 These are essentially organized crime factions who began to begin 428 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,079 to make moves to throw off British colonial rule. And 429 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,519 there were different motivations and reasons why they did that. 430 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,440 In fact, a lot of people don't notice, but they 431 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,160 were actually split between whether they wanted to support the 432 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,359 axis some of these I'm serious, some of these Jewish gangs, 433 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,559 or support of the allies. And the one reason for 434 00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:09,480 that was they reasoned that, well, if the Ox's pollowers 435 00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:12,039 were the enemies of the British Empire and the Brits, 436 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,480 and we wanted to overthrow British colonial rule, maybe we 437 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,279 should support those guys. It's the same reasoning why some 438 00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:23,720 of the Irish Republican Army, the IRA also wanted to 439 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:28,680 support Tiny Mustache. So so just alliances of you know, 440 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,480 enemy of my enemy as my friend, that type stuff. 441 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:38,799 But it was actually you know, the organized crime sort 442 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:44,240 of stern gang Irraguan circles that become the nascent Israeli 443 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:49,160 intelligence service and people don't even know that guests who 444 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,839 trained some of them. Do you know this? You'll never 445 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,160 You'll never guess if you don't know quiz question. 446 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. 447 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,279 Speaker 2: One of the famous trainers of these people is named 448 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:05,200 Otto Skorzeny, and he was a high level operative of 449 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:09,920 Tiny Mustache Man. Of course that's just public history, right, 450 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,960 so uh and when he you know, when Tiny Mustache 451 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,079 Man lost, just like rhin Hard Galen, that network of 452 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,599 spies that he had set up for Tiny Mustache Man, 453 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000 that all became just immediately. The property is DA right, 454 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:25,279 so we know what we all all heard about paper clip, right, 455 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:29,640 But paper clip is also the CIA taking over rhin 456 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,519 Hard galen spy network throughout Europe Galen Org and one 457 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:39,519 of those nascent networks, uh is that network in Germany 458 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,720 is now called the B and D German Intelligent German 459 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:46,880 Intelligence is literally Galen's network that the CIA just took 460 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,480 over after the Cold War because they gave him a deal. 461 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:54,240 They said, you can go to prison or death, prison 462 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,680 for the rest of your life or death, or we 463 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,920 get your spine networks and we don't kill you. So 464 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,920 that was a deal they gave to Galen anyway. So 465 00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:04,519 that again kind of tells you that like everything that 466 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:09,319 we're experiencing and living through today is situated in the 467 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,960 milieu of the British imperial structure. 468 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,839 Speaker 1: Well can you speak to because recently Cure Stormer has 469 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,160 talked about sending British troops to the front lines in 470 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,160 Ukraine and then it came out that they only actually 471 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,720 have like eighteen thousand like military ready soldiers in Britain, 472 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,920 which is I mean, I wouldn't have suspected it was 473 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,759 that low. That was That was kind of mind blowing 474 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:41,519 for me. So is the extension of force of whatever 475 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,319 remains of the British Empire? Is it now basically intelligence 476 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:47,359 agencies because it doesn't seem like they have any significant 477 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:53,400 actual military power. Is it blackmails? It, you know, spies? Intelligence? 478 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,480 What would how would you describe the transition of like 479 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,799 the fall of the British Empire into the spy networks. 480 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because the you know, at one time, 481 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:06,960 if you go back to the eighteen hundreds when the 482 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,000 British East India Company was at its peak, I mean 483 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,039 it was bringing in like some outrageous amount of money 484 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,440 that's like beyond even what Apple's worth, Like they were 485 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,480 bringing this in on a regular basis. I mean, the 486 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:24,119 East India Company was just just insanely massive in terms 487 00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:26,480 of wealth and power. It really was kind of the 488 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,279 engine of the British Empire, and so as it waned, 489 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,200 I think the Crown just one day kind of just 490 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,599 appropriated and said, okay, the British rest Unit Company is 491 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,240 the property of the Crown now. So the British Crown 492 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:42,839 itself is interesting because it's kind of this entity or 493 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,519 corporation that owns a lot of land and a lot 494 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:49,359 of places you wouldn't expect. They're very large landholders. They 495 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:52,599 own a lot of land in Canada. I don't even 496 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:55,079 know if we know exactly how all that works. It 497 00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:59,279 is intertwined with the wealth and power of the Rothchilds 498 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:03,079 as well. That's been an open, well known thing for 499 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:03,759 a long time. 500 00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:05,279 Speaker 1: You know. 501 00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:08,359 Speaker 2: Obviously they were very influential and involved in the Bank 502 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,599 of England as well as the Bank of France. It 503 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,400 quickly has many chapters on that, so you know exactly 504 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,039 the nature and extent of that is difficult to determine, 505 00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:25,319 but the empire itself waned as America rose to power 506 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,240 and so it went from you know, Pax Britannia to 507 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,160 Pax Americana, especially after World War One and World War two, 508 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,039 so the US came to power. But what the British 509 00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:39,119 were very adept at doing was through their sort of 510 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:43,640 concentric circles model of how to construct what they call 511 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:47,119 roundtable groups. You can have governments within governments is really 512 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,279 how it works, and it's based on the East India 513 00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:54,920 companies model of like the committees of shareholders within the 514 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,359 company who had just untold you know, vast amounts of 515 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,920 wealth and control. So that's kind of the structure that 516 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:05,880 they modeled their empire on and quickly talks about it 517 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,079 like it was loosely speaking, a secret society. Calls it 518 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:13,759 the Society the Elect. This was Cecil Rhodes's idea to 519 00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:18,200 create this society of the elect that would promote what 520 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:24,799 he called a world federalist socialist union, to create an 521 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:31,680 entire commonwealth of socialist type countries that would be the 522 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,519 new British Empire. This was the original Cecil Rhodes raw 523 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,400 Child John Ruskin idea. So it didn't exactly play out 524 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,240 like that. But one thing they were able to do 525 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:49,079 was to bring America and American isolationism back under the 526 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:54,160 sway of imperial global geopolitical strategies. And as you know, 527 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,799 the founding father said, we want to stay out of 528 00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,920 European entanglements. And so it took a lot of this 529 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,839 wealth and power and influence in the US through things 530 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,440 like the CFR Trelateral's all that stuff. That's all set 531 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:11,079 up on the model of Chatham House in the UK, 532 00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:16,000 which is this sort of Fabian socialist interclique. British Intelligence 533 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,920 was set up as a Fabian socialist institution. Its heads 534 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,880 were originally all Fabian socialists. And so you mentioned Kiir Starmer, 535 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,039 he is also openly a Fabian socialist. So exactly the 536 00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:31,240 same people, same strategy, same game plan. Tony Blair was 537 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,119 a member of the Fabian Socialist party. That kind of 538 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,319 dominates the ideology. But you're right that it doesn't require 539 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,319 vast armies, you know, marching armies. British Empire was a 540 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:48,359 naval power. They were not a land power as Dougan 541 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,839 and many you know geopolitical people talk about you have 542 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:55,160 a sea power versus Russia. Is a land power. British empire. 543 00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:59,319 Britain's tiny, and yet it had this vast empire through 544 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:05,119 controlling disease. So it was a sea power, a money power, 545 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,559 a banking power ultimately, and a lot of people liking it. 546 00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:12,559 To Italy when Italy had a lot of power, you know, 547 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,000 centuries ago, they were a also kind of a sea power. 548 00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: Well, it seems like that banking power is the only 549 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,200 thing that's left in regardless like British British influence, British 550 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,680 power and its ability to exert it on the world. 551 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,920 It seems like I. 552 00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:30,359 Speaker 2: Think they do project. They do project that power to 553 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,839 a degree through the Royal family, because the Royal Family, 554 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,559 as we said, is kind of a corporation, right that 555 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,519 promotes to the west, through Canada, through Australia, because those 556 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,799 are still commonwealths of the British Empire. 557 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: Well, you speak of commonwealth, what are your thoughts about 558 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,920 King Charles supposedly coming to the US to offer Trump 559 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,640 the title of making the US a commonwealth. I mean, 560 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,880 what are you familiar with what I'm talking about? 561 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,759 Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I don't know what to make of that. 562 00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:02,799 I think it's goofy, It's silly I mean honestly, like 563 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,720 all the Trump saying we're going to make Canada a state, 564 00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,000 We're going to make Greenland. I have no idea what. 565 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,079 I don't even understand what I mean. I know it 566 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:17,239 has to do with like trade deficits and you know whatever, 567 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,000 but I have no idea what this means or where 568 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,039 it's going. But but yeah, I mean when you I 569 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,800 think key point here, when we understand this, And to 570 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,199 get back to your question about like pinpointing when it 571 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:34,400 became a policy for the UK way ahead of the EU. 572 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,800 Like the UK in nineteen ten nineteen twenty, very prominent 573 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,920 Fabian socialists were at that time saying it's time to 574 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,119 make alliances with Islam because we can change the face 575 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:55,880 of the UK and Europe through Islam. Right, And so 576 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,320 it became you know, a tool early on. First all, 577 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,440 not through the Wahabi Salafi stuff, because if you just 578 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,519 try to import, if you try to import that into 579 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,760 the UK in the nineteen tens and twenties, it would 580 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,719 have never worked. So what do you do you do? 581 00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:15,280 What's the Fabian model, a slow kill model. Suonies, we 582 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:21,360 bring in the ecumenist, very perennialist minded Sunnies, the mystical 583 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,800 neo Platonic. 584 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: Save them from persecution in the Middle East. Bring them 585 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:26,519 to they brought. 586 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,639 Speaker 2: They even brought these guys over. Rachio some really great 587 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,239 chapters in his book where they bring these intellectuals and 588 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,039 they let him teach at Oxford and Cambridge. These intellectual 589 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:42,480 Sufis then set up these missionary publishing societies. They start 590 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,960 promoting Sufism throughout the UK and the nineteen ten and 591 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,239 twenties thirties. Then over time you start bringing in the 592 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,719 more radical Sunni Wahabbi type elements. That's where we are today, 593 00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:03,480 where you have lund honisty. But it's not accidental. People 594 00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:06,440 think that this is it's just liberals that are open borders. No, 595 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:11,320 it's a specific strategy that many of the baby and 596 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,679 socialist elite said, we got to eradicate Christianity in the 597 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:17,800 West and in Europe, and one of the best ways 598 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,519 to do that would be to flood the UK and 599 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:25,440 EU with Islam. Right, they're very candid about it. 600 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:33,159 Speaker 1: So other than the ability to alter and augment European 601 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:39,280 identity and culture and then the radical, violent elements of Islam, 602 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,800 why are intelligence agencies so interested in manipulating and utilizing Islam. 603 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,639 Are there other aspects of the paradigm the worldview that 604 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,159 are very useful as a utility for people are wanting 605 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:53,960 to control and manipulate populations. 606 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,519 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean I think we can think immediately 607 00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:59,360 of you know, what Myles Copan says is that he 608 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,599 says Islam's great religion for creating a t e r 609 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,679 R patsy. I mean, you've got the ready made idea 610 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,480 going back to, you know, the martyrdom idea that oh 611 00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,119 guess what, you know, die for this cause and you're 612 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:19,760 going to get You're going to get laid for eternity, 613 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,320 right right. So that's a very powerful motivation for perhaps 614 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,679 not just young men who are very manipulable, but even 615 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,400 unstable people can very easily be used in this way. 616 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,199 And again that's what Males Copeland actually explains in his 617 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,719 biography at about this He says that you know, they 618 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,119 make the perfect patsy when we want this kind of 619 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:47,760 an event. So it doesn't mean that the CIA or 620 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,599 Version intelligence is behind every t R OUR event. It's 621 00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,760 not saying that at all. It's just saying that when 622 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,960 it's useful, it's very useful for as you pointed out, 623 00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:01,400 everything from a destabilizing force in a rival nation to 624 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,760 just terrorizing a target population. It can also bring about 625 00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:15,159 the end legal changes that you want. So you want 626 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:18,760 to have I don't know, body scanners at every airport 627 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,079 or a giant tea event would be great for that, right. 628 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,679 So there's a lot of different. 629 00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: Right, you had the subway bombing in London, it was 630 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,000 out of the early early two thousand and seven. That 631 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,679 was kind of like their nine to eleven event that 632 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,599 reorganized their society exactly. 633 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 2: A great example. 634 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was also mentioned, you know, when you 635 00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:41,519 were talking about that, I was thinking that Islam is 636 00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:48,400 also so culturally cohesive. That is is another reason why 637 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,559 it is such a useful weapon against Western nations is 638 00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,199 you know, the the unity of Arabic you know, you 639 00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:00,960 can find you know, Buddhist tradition, and they don't all 640 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,119 speak the same language, they don't all come from the 641 00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,920 same culture. But Islam is sort of a submission to 642 00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:11,719 Arabism and so and it's filled with political and militaristic 643 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,079 ideology is the name of religion. So it seems like 644 00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,840 it as a paradigm out of all the world religions. 645 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,280 Islam is certainly the most useful if you want to 646 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,559 sort of take control of it. 647 00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:25,599 Speaker 2: It's a death cult. It's a model for creating a 648 00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:29,519 kind of a death cult type of thing. Absolutely, absolutely great. 649 00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,920 That's a great point. I mean, even even a lot 650 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,719 of the modern apologists critiquing Islam, whether it's David Wood 651 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,559 or Sam Shimun or Jay Smith, A lot of people 652 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:44,440 who have critiqued that have noted that you can see 653 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:48,800 early on in the Quran that before the later you know, 654 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,559 battles that Muhammad engaged in, it's intended to be the 655 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,360 revelation for Arab peoples. So, in other words, early points 656 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,920 in the Quran, all us speaks as if well, the 657 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,880 Jews have their Bible and the Christians have their thing, 658 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,760 this is the thing for the Arabs, right, So it 659 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,519 initially has this verythno nationalist, I guess you could say, 660 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,920 vibe to it. Before later on Mohammad says, after certain battles, Oh, no, 661 00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:23,840 actually this is to take over the whole world now. 662 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,079 So you can actually see an internal contradiction in the 663 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:30,079 Quran itself to where it moves from being just relative 664 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,480 to the Arab people's too, oh no, actually this is 665 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,960 for everybody, conquer everybody now right. 666 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,079 Speaker 1: Now? How much influence, because you were talking about the 667 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,679 earlier years of the British intelligence having to do with 668 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,719 you know, the OPEC nations oil energy. How much influence 669 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,280 do they still have in places like Cutter and the 670 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,079 UAE and Saudi Arabia. What in your perspective, what is 671 00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,960 that influence and relationship with British intelligence still. 672 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 2: I think that uh, British intelligence has since the Cold 673 00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:11,639 War earlier, had a what they call a special relationship 674 00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:15,400 with America. So they link up and they do things 675 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,559 very closely. It's part of the you know, five eyes, 676 00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:21,000 seven eyes. These are the you know, Western sort of 677 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,800 intelligence powers and structures. They're united together. So I think 678 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,320 the key thing to realize here is that remember that 679 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,360 for US in the West, there might be periods where 680 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,199 we have some sort of disagreement with the UK or whatever, 681 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,800 but the overlord oligarchic power structure is the same. It's 682 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:46,760 the same upper level people that run both the US 683 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,239 and the UK, and by extension that YOUU because if 684 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,039 you understand, the European Union itself was set up by 685 00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:56,559 the os S and the CIA. It's literally a creation 686 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,760 of the U, S S and CIA. This is the 687 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,960 post tiny stash Man after he loses OS S and 688 00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:04,960 c A comes in and literally sets up all that. 689 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,719 In fact, they even brainwash the Germans with re education camps, 690 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,119 so we think of that as a Soviet communist thing. No, actually, 691 00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:16,719 the CIA set up I'm serious. They set up at 692 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,119 re education camps for Germans after the after World War two. 693 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,239 So you know you've got this this elite corporate banking structure. 694 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,199 I believe that is what quickly calls the uh you know, 695 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,239 Atlanticist East Anglo American establishment, and that includes the nation 696 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,079 state of Israel. So I'm not excluding them. And they 697 00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:44,400 still see you know, certain places like Russia, Uh, maybe 698 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,599 Iran to some degree. I'm not an iffy on how 699 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,039 you know, how much I think Iran is a real 700 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,559 threat or not, but I think they do see these 701 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,920 the way that Brazinski said, we have to make sure 702 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,719 that they could never be any potential threat or challenge 703 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,719 to Atlantis's dominance and thus control of Eurasia, according to Brazinski, 704 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,880 was the key means to that. Hence why for them 705 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,960 Ukraine is so important, because that's that's essential to Western 706 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:23,000 NATO dominance in the Eurasian heartland. So so that's why 707 00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:25,480 a lot of these things happen, is these motivations. But 708 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,639 I don't think like you said, it's not really British. 709 00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:30,920 I mean, British intelligence plays a key role because for example, 710 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,039 British intelligence created the p Gate scandal that was literally 711 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:40,599 created by the Steele dossi age's straight out of British 712 00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:41,679 intelligence created well, and. 713 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: It seems like that's what the CIA does is whenever 714 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,199 they want to do any sort of domestic operation and 715 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,639 they just give all the tools over to the UK 716 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,440 and then five or m I six then comes up 717 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,519 with something and all of a sudden it's national you know, 718 00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:56,360 global news that something XYZ has happened. 719 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 2: Exactly absolutely so there is That's why you see like 720 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,920 Saddle and those creeps, you know, tied into the same 721 00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:09,239 intelligence structure in the UK, and you know M I five, 722 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,840 m S six have these brothels that they run like. 723 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:18,199 Speaker 1: El and Epstein I mean Maxwell, the father senior, I 724 00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:22,039 mean it was Masad in British intelligence who he worked 725 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:22,960 for the most. 726 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 2: Correct likewise with apparently Lord Victor Rochald appears to be 727 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,719 doing a very similar type of thing, correct, except in 728 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,800 Victor's case it wasn't just Westerly. He was actually also 729 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,000 working with Soviets. So you'll find certain players actually played 730 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,119 both sides of the Cold War. 731 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,079 Speaker 1: And so can you speak to this this dialectic that 732 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:53,159 the globalist Anglo American banking dominant structure, how it sort 733 00:44:53,159 --> 00:45:00,639 of demonizes domestic population, spies all them, blackmails anybody with influence, 734 00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:04,119 and at the same time then brings in massive amounts 735 00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:08,239 of people to totally alter and transform transform the cultures. 736 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,840 What I mean, I already have an idea, but how 737 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,480 does these things relate to the endpoint of a new 738 00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:17,280 global order? What are they trying to construct through all this? 739 00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,039 Speaker 2: Well, a couple examples is uh, and this is a 740 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,639 controversial topic, but uh, I mean I have his actual books. 741 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,320 You can read Count Kutenhov Kolergy's book Practical Idealism, which 742 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,800 I have right over there, and he says, uh, you know, 743 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:39,079 we can destroy Europe through changing the demographics. Quickly says 744 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:43,159 that the royal society elites the people in our I 745 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,320 a Royal Instagram, National Affairs and others. They basically said, 746 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,679 let's go with the Count's plan. Uh, And that's identical 747 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,480 to what the Fabian socialists were pushing. What they wanted. 748 00:45:54,519 --> 00:46:00,000 They realized that in order to have a future socialist technology, 749 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,880 christy type of world federation, you would need to destroy 750 00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:08,119 the firewalls that stood in the way of that. And 751 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:14,079 firewalls would be nation states and religious ideologies like Christianity, 752 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,239 as well as even things that we think of as 753 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,400 fundamental like the family unit. Maybe, and socialist believe that 754 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,199 eventually you'd have to get rid of the family because 755 00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:27,119 families are directly connected to private property and inheritance right 756 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:28,960 in heritage and tradition, and if you're going to have 757 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,360 a brave new world, got to get rid of that stuff, right. 758 00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:35,559 Speaker 1: So the post humanists, i mean, there's a whole strand 759 00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:40,960 about decoupling reproduction from sexual practices. So it's i mean 760 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,079 their goal. And these are you know, these are papers 761 00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:47,679 from very important institutions literally saying that the future of 762 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,000 reproduction will be totally I mean, in my terms, a 763 00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:53,480 sort of synthetic fabrication. It's going to be done in 764 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:57,159 a laboratory, it's going to be done through IVF and 765 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,039 and these are these are academical articles that I was 766 00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:06,719 citing in my paper. They're literally saying that, you know, sex, 767 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,159 not just gender, not just performative gender, but actual sex 768 00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:13,920 will be on a fluid spectrum, that all the tranny stuff, 769 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,920 this is all intentional and in actual intercourse is only 770 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,639 going to be for pleasure. So they want to make 771 00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,480 it that actually people probably can't reproduce him if they 772 00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:26,719 wanted to, and so everybody is just then hedonistic pursuing 773 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,400 sexual gratification and nobody can actually reproduce. 774 00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:33,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that Lord Birkenhead's famous essay. He's one 775 00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:36,679 of these British technocratic baby and socials elites. He wrote 776 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,320 back in nineteen twenties, the essay for Cosmopolitan magazine where 777 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,159 he said, saved my article because in one hundred years, 778 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:47,519 babies will come out of test tubes, you'll have a 779 00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:51,679 world government, et cetera, et cetera. And props to Tristan 780 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,760 for he hit me to that before I'd never even 781 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,320 heard of Lord Birkenhead. I've been reading all these books, 782 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,119 and you know he found that essay years ago. But 783 00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:04,199 it's also identical to what Huxley wrote in Brave New World, 784 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,599 Like in chapter one or two a Brave New World. 785 00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:09,360 It's actually explained that the babies are born in test 786 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,280 tubes because that's the only way to have the technocratic 787 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,679 state be your stand in mommy or daddy, because if 788 00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:21,719 you're born to a parent, you have an immediate attachment 789 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,840 to them. If you're born in a test tube, you 790 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:31,000 got mad scientists doctor Man as your daddy, right. Literally 791 00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:34,079 they say that in the character in I think it's 792 00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,079 chapter one, actually explains that this is why we birth 793 00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:38,920 the babies and the test tubes and not from a 794 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,000 mother anymore. 795 00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:43,119 Speaker 1: Right, And that abstraction of parenthood is going to make 796 00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:47,199 somebody much more sympathetic to like central authority, So like 797 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,239 a communist or a socialist or some centralized governmental identity. 798 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,719 If your identity is not coming from your parents and 799 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,599 from like genetic heritage and culture, it's gonna be you're 800 00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:00,960 gonna tie yourself to whatever structure of importance exist in 801 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:06,119 that particular context. So like for these fabian socialists, it 802 00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:06,960 makes total sense. 803 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,599 Speaker 2: There's also a connection, to believe or not, between that 804 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,639 and espionage because one of the things they learned in 805 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,119 the you know, say, past one hundred years of recruiting 806 00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:20,760 people for British intelligence work was that a lot of times, 807 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,760 people who made the best spies were the ones that 808 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:29,639 had didn't have parental figures. And so in the case 809 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:33,320 of James Bond, he's a case example because Bond is 810 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,880 the figure who is an orphan, right and the handlers 811 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,760 him in the novels they know that, and so Queen 812 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,760 and Country becomes this, the queen becomes to sort of 813 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,559 stand in aloof mother figure, nanny state figure. And that's 814 00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:53,000 not just him, I mean in the Munier book, I 815 00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:56,920 mean there's other spies who were also famously orphans. So 816 00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:00,639 you can learn from those test cases of those people 817 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,800 to then they could extrapolate and say, well, why don't 818 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,360 we just make everybody this kind of you know, automaton 819 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,599 who And I'm not saying that, like James Bond's supposed 820 00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,639 to be just a killing machine, right, but the point 821 00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:16,880 is that he doesn't. He doesn't have a conscience, and 822 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,159 he doesn't have the firewalls that we're talking about because 823 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:26,039 of the early trauma. And so if you can traumatize, say, 824 00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:31,519 youthful people when on a mass scale when they're young, 825 00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:33,320 which is what we're seeing with a lot of this 826 00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:37,599 tr and Z stuff, right, and you know, the stuff 827 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,480 that they're doing too. You know what I'm talking about, 828 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,039 reassignment stuff and all like that is just going to 829 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,320 damage them for life, right, And that kind of information 830 00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:55,480 is exactly what spies and people who were engaged in 831 00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:59,360 sexual compromise were themselves learning and doing. Does that make 832 00:50:59,400 --> 00:50:59,719 sense why? 833 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,519 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and it draws a you know, you mentioned 834 00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:06,119 that Islam is a death cult and draws that sort 835 00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:11,320 of strand and ties both this Anglo American global establishment 836 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,360 banking elite because they themselves are a death cul and 837 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,039 the things that they're pushing and so Islam. They have 838 00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:24,000 no ideological difference. This is something that I'll see it 839 00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:26,199 in one of the chats I forget a few streams ago, 840 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,960 but talking about how you know, some of these British 841 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,760 elites they just don't realize yet what all these Muslims 842 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,320 are going to do to their country. It's like, dude, 843 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,239 what are you talking about. They don't have an opposition 844 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,960 to it, they don't care. They know exactly what's going 845 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,639 to happen, and so what are your kind of thoughts 846 00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:46,119 on I mean, like in that video I did on 847 00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:50,000 the city of London, London is the most Muslim city 848 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,920 in all of Europe. I believe it. Now it's the 849 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,000 first city to have over a thousand mosques. 850 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just posted a couple of weeks 851 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:03,400 ago the classic clips of Prince Philip saying, you know, 852 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,039 the number one problem in the world is people, and 853 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:11,400 he says people are a plague. And I found his 854 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,519 Old Guardian, the Old Guardian article where it says that 855 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,039 his famous, one of his most famous quotes is I 856 00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:19,719 hope when I die to come back as a virus, 857 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,239 to get rid of most parts. So you understand that 858 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,400 the British elites they don't care about Britain, they don't 859 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,239 care about the British people. Fact, they hate them. They're Malthusians, right, 860 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,920 They're like open, rabid Malthusians. And when you understand that, 861 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,239 and when you understand the Fabian socialist, technocratic ideology, everything 862 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,559 they're doing makes perfect sense. It's not it's not idiot 863 00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:44,719 liberals who don't know what's happened. They know what's happening exactly. 864 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,039 You that doesn't know what's happening because you listen to 865 00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:49,119 Matt wallsh You know these people who act like there's. 866 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,639 Speaker 1: No exactly ape goading of ignorance, amongst the elite. I 867 00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,800 think that's one of the it's it's actually a very 868 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,800 nefarious it is out for a lot of people is like, oh, well, 869 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,199 they're just ignorant. No, dude, they're not ignorant at all. 870 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,199 Don't you realize this is. 871 00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 2: Always they think that it's like Joe Biden running stuff. 872 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,119 Speaker 1: You know. 873 00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that idiot up there. He can't even talk. Yeah, 874 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,199 of course he wasn't running shit. He's the perfect face 875 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:17,960 for all this stuff. 876 00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:23,360 Speaker 1: So how what I mean is there I'm sure there 877 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,719 is a role amongst the intelligence agencies, like the fact 878 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,239 that they've been able to get all of Western Europe 879 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,199 and at least a handful of Central European nations to 880 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,519 buy into all this stuff and allow all this mass immigration. 881 00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:41,199 I mean, I have a friend in Greece and Athens 882 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,400 is being absolutely overrun with Muslims. It sounds like the 883 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,960 PM in Italy is trying to take some type of stand, 884 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,679 but France seems to be gone. My wife is from Germany, 885 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,000 and so she's from southern Germany and Stuttgart, and they 886 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,039 have so many Turks that are coming that now two 887 00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,199 out of every three baby he's born in Stuttgart are 888 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,840 Turkish and that only you know, you play that for 889 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,760 just a generation or two and it's game over. You know, 890 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,760 this doesn't gonna take long. So what are your thoughts on, 891 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,880 I mean, how they've been able to get Is it 892 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,119 just through the centralization of the EU and the sort 893 00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,519 of socialist structure that Europe has. But it's amazing how 894 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,480 outside of maybe Poland and Hungry, there's not really many 895 00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:31,280 voices in opposition to literally the replacement of their population 896 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,239 and mass immigration. 897 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,639 Speaker 2: Well, post World War Two, what the West did was 898 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,400 through the OSS and CIA not just set up like 899 00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,880 sort of brainwashing re education stuff for Germans, they also 900 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:51,000 set up the socialist EU model on purpose as one 901 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,880 of these kind of Fabian institutions, as a kind of 902 00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:57,440 a test run or to try to get you know, 903 00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:01,840 the proto fabian socials world gode going. So when you 904 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,559 look at the EU, that's what you're looking at is 905 00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,960 a version of them setting what we're talking about up, 906 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,840 and that includes a lot of media control, a lot 907 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,039 of control of education. Again, like we mentioned in the 908 00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,760 case of Germany, it was the CIA that set up 909 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,119 the B and D out of the Galen Organization's network 910 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,840 and there might be some ignorant persons who think would 911 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,920 not be tread and based. No, it's not tread and based. 912 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:36,920 It's immediately turned into what Western ideology wants to push. 913 00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:41,440 And so you get decades then of these entities controlling 914 00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:46,559 the education system in Europe, controlling the banking in Europe, 915 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,199 such that you could even have that famous banker Peter 916 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,880 Sutherland about ten years ago. I think he's dead now, 917 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,519 but he came out and said it's mainstream news. He said, yes, 918 00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,320 as a massive EU banking person, my job is to 919 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,559 destroy the nation states of the European Union and turn 920 00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:10,239 them into one big blob that we can control in 921 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,480 a socialist way. So there it is, right there, just 922 00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:17,000 go repeater sutherland statement on what the purpose of the 923 00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:19,880 U is. And other people have kind of leaked this 924 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,000 stuff out too, even General Wesley Clark, who some people 925 00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:26,239 were big fans of because he was against the Bush 926 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,840 stuff and you know Seven Nations Plan and all that. 927 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,480 But General Wesley Clark famously said that the goal for 928 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,599 NATO was to help destroy European nation states and turn 929 00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:42,039 them into a big socialist blob. That's the goal. So 930 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,480 they were sold under the guise of oh, this will 931 00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:49,840 help us be a more powerful economic union. That was 932 00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:52,920 kind of the selling line that they were giving the 933 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,480 people for the EU through the OSS and what was 934 00:56:56,519 --> 00:57:00,559 called the European Project, the European Steel and Coal Development 935 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:04,679 of Project. Those are all corporate banking and OSS created 936 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,360 things that help to try to transition Europe into this union. 937 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,199 But it was also acoring to David Rockefeller and his 938 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,400 memoirs planned at Builderberg Soil Bilderberg also played a big 939 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,239 role in creating and planning the EU back in the 940 00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:20,199 forties and fifties. It's not a nineteen ninetiesish thing. It's 941 00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:24,920 actually planned that long ago because they're thinking, you know, 942 00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:31,880 long term about creating these continental unions. World federal socialist 943 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,920 unions is what they are. And then it doesn't matter 944 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,639 whether you have the title of you know, you could 945 00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:40,000 call yourself the Free State of Liberia. Like you're integrated into, right, 946 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:44,480 a big socialist union. It doesn't matter what what you 947 00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:47,599 call yourself, So they don't have to be called, you know, 948 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,079 the Nation, the Fabian Socialist you know, Committee of Liberia, 949 00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:55,360 like you can call yourself whatever you want. It's integrated 950 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,920 into continental unions, is the plan. And so I think 951 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,639 some people have expressed can in regard to Trump's statements 952 00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:03,400 about Canada and Mexico. 953 00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:07,440 Speaker 1: That right, that that is Region three in Agenda twenty one. 954 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,079 And that was my initial response once I heard about Okay, Greenland, 955 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,440 maybe they're going to vote and want to join the US. 956 00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:16,239 And then the next it was like, the next day 957 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,639 after a conversation with Trudeau, is like making them the 958 00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:22,440 fifty first state. And I pulled up the map Agenda 959 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,280 twenty one and that's literally region three. 960 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:28,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's possible. I don't know 961 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,760 the long term game plan. You know. I doubt that 962 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,000 the Trump administration and the people in the Trump administration 963 00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:39,719 have looked at the stuff we're talking about today this 964 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,159 in depth, because I mean I'm not trying to be 965 00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:46,199 arrogant or you know whatever, but like a lot of this, 966 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,719 like the stuff we're talking about, like that's Brazensky Kissinger 967 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,920 level stuff. This is what they write about, and very 968 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,800 few people read or talk about the Brazensky Kissinger type 969 00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,039 of geopolitical stuff. 970 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 1: That's mine for these people to be in positions of 971 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,320 power that they don't read that stuff. 972 00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:07,719 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there's somebody and I don't I don't know. 973 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,760 I mean, I'm sure you know. I mean, Alex knows 974 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,400 this this type of material. You know, he talks to 975 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,000 Roger Stone and Trump and all them. And I mean, 976 00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:19,320 I would imagine Roger Stone knows. I mean, I just 977 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,239 don't know, Like I'm not you know, I don't talk 978 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,039 to the White House. I don't know what. But I 979 00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:27,760 don't hear many people talking about, you know, Kissinger Brazenski 980 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,280 level stuff. And that's what we're talking about today. Is 981 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,440 so I don't know, no. 982 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,440 Speaker 1: And I've found even amongst people in some of the 983 00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:37,320 more red you know what the kids call red pill 984 00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:41,320 or based and conspiratorial mindset is as soon as you 985 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,280 bring up this this dialectic between Hamas and Israel and 986 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,320 there and there's literally articles from the Times of Israel 987 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,119 talking about Masad and Israel funding Hamas doing exactly what 988 00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:56,000 we're talking about, this general false dialectic with these intelligence agencies. 989 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,760 And you bring this up to people you know, you 990 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,280 think are pretty re and know what's going on, and 991 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,800 this is like too much for them to fathom that. 992 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,360 You know, why would Israel fun Hamas well? If you 993 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,079 want to you know, well, you can. 994 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,079 Speaker 2: Actually read Victor Ostrovsky, the very guy who was in 995 01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:16,920 the massade at the time, and who you know, I'm 996 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,320 pretty sure he talks about knowing Arafat personally. Israel didn't 997 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:26,559 want the Plouh and the stabilizing secular force. They wanted 998 01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:31,880 the radical position of Hamas because it's a destabilizing force. 999 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,039 They weren't successful, according to Ostrovsky, in getting Arafat on 1000 01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:42,679 anything personal. He lived a very kind of austere basically 1001 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,719 moral life, so they didn't have him go into the 1002 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:51,239 you know, prostitutes or stealing money, and so they found 1003 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,719 that that mode. And this is in my way of deception. 1004 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,679 Nineteen ninety he doesn't explicitly mention Hamas. He just hints 1005 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,559 that they were wanting to arm and fund rivals to them. 1006 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,639 And then later on in the nineteen ninety four but 1007 01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:10,639 which I just got apparently he does that explicitly mentioned Hamas. 1008 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,079 So so yeah, in the in the nineteen was the 1009 01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:17,159 seventies or whatever, they saw that as At and it's 1010 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,079 it's the same as what the guy just said about Syria. 1011 01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:23,199 He's like, yeah, we would, we would fund an arm 1012 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,559 al Noosra because we would rather have that destabilizing force 1013 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:31,320 versus asad he's a stabilizing force. So and he even 1014 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,320 says the guy in that Alazeera interview says, that's the 1015 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,639 rules of the game. So what do you mean? So 1016 01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:39,480 this is what is what everybody does. So that's the 1017 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,000 way he plays that plays it in the interview. But yeah, 1018 01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:44,920 if you think about it, this actually makes sense. And 1019 01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:46,920 I'm glad you mentioned that because I just went a 1020 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,119 lot deeper into lots of I didn't know about that 1021 01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:55,199 region and Lebanon and and you know the shield role 1022 01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:57,960 in Lebanon, and it's all really fascinating. There's a really 1023 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,079 good movie from twenty eight team with John Hamm and 1024 01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:04,519 Rosamond Pike called De Rout and I recommend people watch 1025 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,280 that because it's a little bit it's a little Hollywood, 1026 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,280 But what's good about the movie is that it doesn't 1027 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,159 It presents everybody as having their angle and their desires 1028 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:19,199 in this very tense region of you have Lebanon here, 1029 01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:21,159 and then you have Israel here, so North Israel and 1030 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,079 Lebanon border, right right. Then you have Christians in Lebanon, 1031 01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:30,239 you have Shia in Lebanon, and you have Sunni factions 1032 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:35,239 in Lebanon. So it's a factionalized country that's also got 1033 01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:38,039 a lot of organized crime groups in Lebanon, and so 1034 01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,400 they can't really they're not a real threat to Israel. 1035 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,719 And even in the I think in the eighties the Phalanges, 1036 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,519 who were largely the Maronite Catholic militia, they were actually 1037 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,000 funded donated by the CIA Masad. So it's very complicated 1038 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,039 because the Christians in Lebanon have this alliance with CIA Massad. 1039 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,880 She and Lebanon right are there to suppose to put 1040 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,840 pressure on Israel and be a supposedly a militia or 1041 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,119 a terrorist organization opinion upon how you view them. So 1042 01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:16,159 it's just a really wild complex region. Yeah, and the 1043 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,239 and the Shia don't like Assuni, and the Shia don't 1044 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,760 like didn't like the PLO, so it's right. 1045 01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:25,360 Speaker 1: Well, and then with everything that's happened with the undermining 1046 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,639 of the Asad regime and the fall of Syria. One 1047 01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:32,360 of the things that I've been covering some books on 1048 01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:37,280 like eschaeological prophecies from various saints and Saint Paysios and 1049 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,360 various other various other elders of the Church, and one 1050 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,159 of the things that they talked about is we get 1051 01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:46,119 closer towards the end times, is that Turkey is going 1052 01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:48,480 to be an enemy of Russia and it's going to 1053 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,519 be fully aligned with the West. And you know, a 1054 01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:54,280 couple of years ago, I mean, it sounds seemed like 1055 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,239 Russia and Turkey had a pretty good relationship. But what's 1056 01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,159 what recently just unfolded in Syria is essentially Turkey, he 1057 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,599 backstabbed Russia, made an agreeance with the West and with 1058 01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:07,559 Israel to basically take the northern portion of Syria. And 1059 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,480 it's I find that very interesting. Is now we can 1060 01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:13,400 kind of see how these how these power factions are 1061 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,039 splitting up, and at least according to some and we 1062 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,760 take you know, eschatology is a difficult subject to discuss, 1063 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,039 but you know, at least the patterns are emerging, and 1064 01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:27,719 it's it's beginning to make a lot more sense on 1065 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,559 how Aerdogon and Turkey and all this posturing that he's 1066 01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:34,960 going to save the Palestinians from Israel and yet he's 1067 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,760 actually making a backdoor deal with Israel. Let's go ahead 1068 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,960 and fund these radical Muslims to take over Syria and 1069 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,880 then we'll just cut it up, and then the US 1070 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,840 takes the Northern Peace where the Kurds are. To your point, 1071 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,440 it's like, well, they have their own faction with the 1072 01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:52,719 military of the Kurds to maintain control there. 1073 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's that one gets really complex, and 1074 01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:57,960 I don't even understand all the ins and outs of 1075 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,320 the Turkish rule and all that, but they because of 1076 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:06,880 where they're located, a lot of the aid or arms 1077 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,199 has to go through Turkey, right, So for some of 1078 01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:15,599 these places. So I say that because going back to 1079 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:22,039 twenty fourteen twenty seventeen, we were at that time I 1080 01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:24,159 was writing a lot of articles for twenty first Century 1081 01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:28,800 Wire with Patrick Kenningson, and we were covering I'm trying 1082 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,920 to pull up the map here so we can see 1083 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:36,960 the No, that doesn't need a bigger map, But we 1084 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,880 were covering this issue because we knew that it was 1085 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,320 obvious that the CIA and obviously Israelis as well as 1086 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,840 British intelligence like they were aiding and funding the Al 1087 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,159 Nusra in Syria to try to get rid of Asad 1088 01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:54,519 and they were calling them the moderate rebels. Right. Well, 1089 01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,480 the CFR had put up an article prior to all 1090 01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:06,440 of this. Yeah, there we go. So yeah, So like 1091 01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:10,960 if if weapons, for example, are going to come from 1092 01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:14,960 Iran to Lebanon, right, it needs to go either through 1093 01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:18,679 Turkey or through Syria to reach Lebanon. If they were 1094 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:20,559 gonna arm, if they were going to arm the Shia, 1095 01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:23,800 or if there was going to be arming of ISIS 1096 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,639 in Syria, Turkey back in the twenty fourteen twenty seventeen 1097 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,679 time period was also helping ISIS in Syria or Al 1098 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:35,800 Nusra in Syria. So this was being discussed by many outlets, 1099 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,639 and I remember vividly because I was writing articles about it, 1100 01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:41,199 and I was getting called all kinds of names if 1101 01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:43,960 you talked about the CIA or the West or Israel 1102 01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:48,320 arming and helping Al Nusra in Syria. Even though Johnny 1103 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,639 Kane is like meeting with and he's in pictures with 1104 01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:54,119 the freaking Al Qaeda dudes, like you were called crazy, 1105 01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:57,920 you were called insane. It doesn't exist. Well, a few 1106 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,400 months ago, the New York Times just published their gigantic 1107 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,679 front page article on Timber Sycamore. So we actually know 1108 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,639 the name of the twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen one 1109 01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:12,960 billion dollar plan. It was called Timber Sycamore, where they 1110 01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:18,280 armed trained and funded Al Nusra in Syria, right, right, 1111 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,000 So there you go, like we were called I mean, 1112 01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:23,360 I can't tell you many people were like calling me 1113 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,800 names back then. And it's like I've been sharing this, 1114 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:31,760 Like just look up the you know, the New York Times, 1115 01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:34,599 Timber Sycamore, it'll come up right away as the first first. 1116 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,880 Speaker 1: Well, and people were even denying reports after the withdrawal 1117 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,960 from Afghanistan that the US was sending millions of dollars 1118 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,079 to the Taliban. Well, now that's a fact, we know that, 1119 01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:47,719 you know, according to Trump taking office, that's top. But 1120 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,719 it was like upwards between forty to seventy million dollars 1121 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,400 a week the US was sending to the Taliban, who, 1122 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,519 according to them, we had to fight this, you know, 1123 01:07:57,639 --> 01:08:01,840 twenty some year war in Afghanistan what like, it makes 1124 01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,039 no sense. But even once that became public knowledge, people 1125 01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:07,719 were still reluctant to even recognize that. 1126 01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,840 Speaker 2: So that should have been obvious because that goes back 1127 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,360 to nineteen seventy nine where Brazenski came up with the 1128 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,119 plan it's called Operation Cyclone to this is under Carter 1129 01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:23,760 to arm the Mujahadeen freedom fighters in the Soviet Afghanistan conflict, 1130 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:27,079 and the plan was actually a pretty smart plan because 1131 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:33,880 it worked. So Operation Cyclone literally was successful in exhausting 1132 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:39,279 the Soviet force there, and this helped the later collapse 1133 01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:42,319 of the Soviet empire under a few years later in 1134 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:45,800 the eighties. But had not this been successful, that probably 1135 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,359 wouldn't have happened. But this is where the CIA makes 1136 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,760 its alliance with the Mujahadeen, who are these freedom fighter 1137 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:58,079 al Qaeda people. They become the drawing pool from which 1138 01:08:58,119 --> 01:09:01,479 we get. 1139 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:05,520 Speaker 1: Right and British intelligence was involved with this as well. Yeah, absolutely, 1140 01:09:06,119 --> 01:09:10,159 so it's it's the same it's the same playbook over 1141 01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:14,119 and over and over, and it's just irritating that people 1142 01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:18,000 because they're so embedded into their emotions and they act 1143 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,680 irrationally whenever you bring up especially Israel here in the 1144 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:25,399 United States, that people that are often although that Overton 1145 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,199 windows seems to be shifting quite a bit in the 1146 01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:31,840 last two years, but generally speaking, to see these dialectical 1147 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:37,279 tensions of how radical Islam is a utility of Western 1148 01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:40,800 intelligence agencies to create chaos, destabilization so that they can 1149 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,439 expand power and control. I mean, it's as clear as 1150 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,279 day now. I don't even know how anybody can deny it. 1151 01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:49,960 And this is why. And I'm curious what your opinions 1152 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,479 are on the normalization of Islam in the West as well. 1153 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,399 We see you know, And I'm not here to accuse 1154 01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,960 anybody of anything but the Tape Brothers. At least according 1155 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,000 to online there was a massive spike in young men 1156 01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:12,840 looking into Islam during before the Romania allegations, and that 1157 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,399 case was dropped. So I'm not here to accuse anybody 1158 01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:21,439 of anything but Tate. Andrew Tate converted to Islam and 1159 01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,319 it was like one of the one of the biggest 1160 01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:26,159 search things in like Western for young men in the 1161 01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:29,319 West was searching up Islam and looking to convert to Islam. 1162 01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:32,720 And it does give them a kind of a coherent 1163 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,359 I mean, it's not totally coherent Islam. It's filled with contradictions, 1164 01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:40,880 but at least some type at least their perception, a worldview, 1165 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,520 an identity where they could get married and have a 1166 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,000 virgin and for some of them appeal to having multiple wives. 1167 01:10:47,079 --> 01:10:53,720 But what are your thoughts on this sort of normalization 1168 01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:58,000 of Islam, And sometimes to the detriment, so people have 1169 01:10:58,039 --> 01:11:01,479 so much animosity towards Israel or who they think are 1170 01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,479 controlling the levers of power in the West, that they 1171 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,079 like welcome Islam and we as especially Orthodox christ in 1172 01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:10,279 the history of the Orthodox Church, you know, this is 1173 01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:12,199 a false that you don't choose one or the other. 1174 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:14,680 What are your thoughts on this. 1175 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,520 Speaker 2: I think it's a really important people understand and and 1176 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,199 this is tied into a lot of the right wing reaction. 1177 01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:26,880 They will see, you know, certain countries from the Middle 1178 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,960 East having a lot of influence in America, and then 1179 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:35,039 they will assume that the alliance with anything Islamic would 1180 01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:37,279 be a natural right wing alliance. I think this is 1181 01:11:37,319 --> 01:11:40,680 really foolish because you have to understand that there's a 1182 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,840 lot of other players and people with a lot of money. 1183 01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:47,159 The Saudi Royal family is a is a big pusher 1184 01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:51,319 for Islam in the West. Other Gulf states do push 1185 01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:54,960 and promote Islam in the West. Uh. And you know 1186 01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:59,319 that's that shouldn't be surprising. I think we should if 1187 01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:04,720 you just think about how nation states in general, how 1188 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:05,680 they project power. 1189 01:12:06,079 --> 01:12:06,239 Speaker 1: Uh. 1190 01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,119 Speaker 2: It's you know, if you're if you're the king of 1191 01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:13,159 Jordan and you're a hash of mighte and you believe 1192 01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:17,600 your Islamic stuff. You're gonna want people interested in Islam. 1193 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,239 You're gonna desire the promotion, just like we would desire 1194 01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:23,560 Orthodox Christianity everywhere, right right, They're gonna think the same way. 1195 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:30,479 They're gonna they're gonna want and support and fund Islamic 1196 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,840 endeavors in the West. So we needn't think of it 1197 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:38,039 as if it's all you know, CIA M I six 1198 01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:43,520 Masade pushing Islam. It doesn't work like that. Those groups will, 1199 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:49,600 for example, make alliances with whoever they need in any 1200 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,039 of these regions to push whatever will work for them. 1201 01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,920 So it's not ideological, it's just pragmatic. It's the key 1202 01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,399 point here. So like when the CIA is funding an 1203 01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,640 army the most, it's not because they believe in al 1204 01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,159 Kaida ideology. It's because that's what's useful in that region 1205 01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:13,239 to fight the Soviets. So likewise, you know, there are 1206 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:18,640 Islamic nations, Islamic movements, Islamic banking structures that push and 1207 01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,359 fund Islam in the West. And it's not all the CIA. 1208 01:13:22,399 --> 01:13:25,880 It's it's like, I mean, I can we drove to 1209 01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:32,119 Vegas some months back and I noticed across America, and 1210 01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:34,079 I've been driving back and forth across America for the 1211 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:38,640 last seven years more than I ever have mosques you 1212 01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,199 seem I saw a mosque on an Indian reservation. 1213 01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,079 Speaker 1: Wow, I would have thought about that. 1214 01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're absolutely right. There is a push for 1215 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,359 Islam in the West. And that's not all you know, 1216 01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,800 Cia or Israel. I mean, there's actual you know, Gulf 1217 01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,800 States and Saudis and it. 1218 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,640 Speaker 1: And it seems like that is the way that it's 1219 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,680 often presented as an antidote to like Western degeneracy. So 1220 01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:11,159 as as the national cultures of the West are inundated 1221 01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:15,119 with all this debauchery and sexual sin, it's well, now 1222 01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:18,079 you need a militaristic, masculine religion to come in here 1223 01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:21,279 and clean things up. And then it's like, here's Islam. 1224 01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,159 And so they present this as the alternative to So 1225 01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:27,239 if you if you hate the left, well then why 1226 01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:29,359 don't you become a Muslim because then you'll be able 1227 01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:31,920 to fight it. And even when I look at and 1228 01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,520 I've never been to Britain England. I've been to Ireland 1229 01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:39,319 but never been to England, but just based on articles 1230 01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:42,000 that I've seen, it's like they let the Muslim population 1231 01:14:42,199 --> 01:14:47,880 get away with criticism of the leftist agenda, the sort 1232 01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,399 of leftist narrative within England that they don't let the 1233 01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,199 average British person say so if you're if you're an 1234 01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:56,840 average British person to criticize it, you're a problem. But 1235 01:14:57,039 --> 01:14:59,760 when entire Muslim communities do it, I oht no problem 1236 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,039 at all. Which take that movement toward. 1237 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,720 Speaker 2: It, Yeah, absolutely by design. We went there in twenty 1238 01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:10,520 nineteen and uh, I mean you just like, it's Islamic everywhere. 1239 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,279 I mean it's we were in we were in London 1240 01:15:15,279 --> 01:15:16,520 for a week and then we were out in the 1241 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,399 country at in Milton Kane where I gave a lecture 1242 01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,640 for another week. So you know, I got I got 1243 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,399 a week week's worth of London. And you know, it's 1244 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,319 just sad to see what used to it one time 1245 01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:35,000 be you know, a Christian area be so heavily Islamic. 1246 01:15:35,039 --> 01:15:37,560 But it's interesting because you go back to the Middle Ages, 1247 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,760 whether you're in the Roman Catholic West or if you're 1248 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,520 in Byzantium. If you go back to the Middle Ages, 1249 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:47,439 pretty much every Christian understood that Islam is like chastisement, 1250 01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,399 you know what I mean, It's like the divine chastisement 1251 01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,600 when you you know, if you turn degenerate, this is 1252 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,840 your chastisement. So it's not that Islam is true, it's 1253 01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,960 that you know, well, it's like what scripture says, like, 1254 01:16:01,039 --> 01:16:03,880 you know, if you follow what God says, you'll be strong. 1255 01:16:05,239 --> 01:16:08,920 If you're degenerate, you'll be rolled over, just like he 1256 01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:09,560 told Israel. 1257 01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:14,840 Speaker 1: And in that light, even the military conquest of the 1258 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,119 Ottoman Empires. You know, aragon I showed a quote that 1259 01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:20,600 he had. He was talking about the amount of Muslims 1260 01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,600 that now exist in Western Europe and he was talking 1261 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,560 about the growth in the building of all these mosques, 1262 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,600 and he said, yeah, this is one of the greatest 1263 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:34,880 accomplishments in Islamic history. That out of all the military conquests, 1264 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,000 we could have never imagined the influence we now exert 1265 01:16:38,079 --> 01:16:40,680 within Western Europe. And that that was right out of 1266 01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,319 the mouth of aragon It's like, so the player, the 1267 01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:47,760 power players in the Muslim world absolutely see this in 1268 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,840 a militaristic framing. They you know, this is not oh 1269 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,520 some of our you know, compatriots are now live in 1270 01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:58,159 Germany and England and France. No, they look at it as, oh, 1271 01:16:58,199 --> 01:17:00,319 this is wonderful. Look at all these young men have there. 1272 01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:01,199 We're going to take it over. 1273 01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,439 Speaker 2: I mean the mayor is Sadik Khan is a mayor 1274 01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,560 of London. I think he's also a Fabian socialist too, 1275 01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,159 so so yeah, the Fabian socialist alliance with Islam again 1276 01:17:10,279 --> 01:17:14,600 is over one hundred years old, and that's explicitly to 1277 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,159 totally change the West. 1278 01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:20,399 Speaker 1: Are you familiar is Islam pretty sympathetic with socialist ideas. 1279 01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:26,720 Speaker 2: I mean so in the Qur'an itself. I think the 1280 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,920 the idea of takiya is over exaggerated. It's not that 1281 01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:33,600 Muslims are like literally told in all these cases to lie. 1282 01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,239 But there is a statement in the Koran where it says, 1283 01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:40,800 when you are in the minority, you pretend to be 1284 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,760 the friend and the you know, flexible one. 1285 01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:46,600 Speaker 1: Right. 1286 01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,039 Speaker 2: Then when you're the majority, it's a it's you can 1287 01:17:50,039 --> 01:17:51,000 become militaristic. 1288 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:52,680 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. 1289 01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she moon points to that. All. I forget 1290 01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,000 the exact reference, but it is there. It's kind of 1291 01:17:58,039 --> 01:17:59,840 early on in the kron. I forget the exact reference, 1292 01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,000 but yeah, it says up. 1293 01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:06,199 Speaker 1: So, regarding everything that's going on, is there any event 1294 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,800 or region in particular that you kind of have your 1295 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:13,600 eyes out looking at what I mean, what what are 1296 01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,640 kind of your thoughts? Obviously it's speculation, but moving forward, 1297 01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:24,680 your thoughts on Europe with all this mass immigration and 1298 01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:29,079 the negotiations with Israel and Hamas and some of the 1299 01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:32,000 I think Katar is leading the negotiation. They're supposed to 1300 01:18:32,039 --> 01:18:35,239 be like the middleman and creating some type of settlement. 1301 01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:36,319 What are your thoughts on all this? 1302 01:18:37,319 --> 01:18:40,600 Speaker 2: A lot of those Gulf states are also long time 1303 01:18:41,039 --> 01:18:44,760 you know, Western CI allies, like the absolutely Tim mac 1304 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,600 Isin even years ago reported on King of Saint of Jordan, 1305 01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,359 like he was just bought off by the seat, Like 1306 01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,079 all they all they have to do is like basically 1307 01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:54,880 just flying and like bring a chest of goal or 1308 01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,279 a bag of money and they just give it to 1309 01:18:56,359 --> 01:18:59,560 these guys so that they're kind of easy to buy off. 1310 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,159 But it's the same with Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan, right, 1311 01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:06,479 that was famously reported on many times that the CIA 1312 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,720 would just bring him duffle bags of money. I mean, 1313 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,560 you know, I just see myself as a student of 1314 01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,960 this stuff. I don't even really know where it's going 1315 01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:20,159 or how to project the the you know, what's what's 1316 01:19:20,199 --> 01:19:23,760 going to happen? I mean, I think that you know, 1317 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,800 in the future, we will be contending with more and 1318 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:33,439 more Islam, which it's just it's I mean, when you 1319 01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,720 get into it, it's just so silly, like it's it's 1320 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,840 kind of it's kind of amazing really that people fall 1321 01:19:40,039 --> 01:19:42,920 for it. And I understand, like you're saying, like the 1322 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,640 young dudes are just searching stuff online. They don't know anything, 1323 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,920 and it's like, well, yeah, like what about one God 1324 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,720 versus like the trinities like exactly, I understand if you're 1325 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,960 at that level, you might think, oh, well, this is 1326 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,800 like based in crowd or whatever. Right. 1327 01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,479 Speaker 1: They always present it as more believable than than the 1328 01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:59,920 Christian worldview. 1329 01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,920 Speaker 2: And it and it's like people they don't even realize that. 1330 01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,000 And like even Sneako more recently has been like did 1331 01:20:07,039 --> 01:20:08,159 you say that clip going around. 1332 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,439 Speaker 1: Where he's about he didn't know that he has to. 1333 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,359 Speaker 2: It's not just the Kuran and like this basic boildown 1334 01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:19,239 of like simple you gotta believe all the hot eats, dude, right, 1335 01:20:19,319 --> 01:20:22,359 and have the crazy stuff in it, you know what 1336 01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:29,199 I mean, and stuff right literally, So it's just it's 1337 01:20:29,239 --> 01:20:31,000 like a it's like a cult where the people are 1338 01:20:31,039 --> 01:20:33,359 not told like Mormonism, Like they're not told like the 1339 01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,039 Inner Right. You know, space sci fi crap until you've 1340 01:20:37,039 --> 01:20:38,000 been in it for a while. 1341 01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:40,520 Speaker 1: But and Sneko is a perfect example of somebody who 1342 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,359 uses their Islam as like you know, right wing talking 1343 01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,960 points in defense of all this degeneracy here in the West. 1344 01:20:48,359 --> 01:20:50,840 And look how ineffective and weak Christianity is. You know, 1345 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,840 you guys might as well just give it up. I mean, 1346 01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:57,560 I've seen clips of him basically saying that. In other words, 1347 01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,800 but you know, you guys are screwed because look how 1348 01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,079 in a fact of Christianity is. 1349 01:21:01,159 --> 01:21:03,760 Speaker 2: And we can you know, it's hard to you know, 1350 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,479 it's hard to argue with the massive amount of the 1351 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,760 Roman Catholic and Protestant world that is so weak and skittles. Yeah, 1352 01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,800 you can see why they think that. But you know, 1353 01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,079 a lot of those things are going away. You know, 1354 01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:22,319 for example, in France, I'm pretty sure that like a 1355 01:21:22,319 --> 01:21:26,039 bunch of Roman Catholic cathedrals and monasteries have been bought 1356 01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:30,119 by Orthodox in the last ten twenty years. Oh really, yeah, 1357 01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:35,520 gat So like as the Roman Catholics are dying out 1358 01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,159 and you know, selling off their churches to pay all 1359 01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:44,159 their PDF bills for their you know you know I'm 1360 01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:47,000 talking about, Yeah, as they're paying their you know, sex 1361 01:21:47,039 --> 01:21:51,960 scandal bills and lawsuits. They're having to sell cathedrals in 1362 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,880 the shutdown entire like churches and dioceses they've been doing 1363 01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:57,439 an America too, they have to sell it off. So 1364 01:21:58,359 --> 01:22:02,119 Orthodoxy's growing, you know, those things are dying out, and 1365 01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:04,000 that's you know, when you adopt those kind of like 1366 01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,479 sterile ideologies like a lot of these woke Protestant churches have. 1367 01:22:09,119 --> 01:22:12,720 I mean, you're basically sealing your doom and ending your 1368 01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:16,199 denomination in the next few decades, right, So those won't 1369 01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:20,359 be exist anymore. There won't be Methodists, Lutheran mainline Protestant 1370 01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:22,199 churches anymore. They're going to be Presbyterian. They're going to 1371 01:22:22,279 --> 01:22:25,159 die out, and so it will be uh, you know, 1372 01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:29,880 if tragcat stuff still exists, maybe that maybe some versions 1373 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,199 of Calvinism and Orthodoxy is all there is. Right. 1374 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,880 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the way that Russia has 1375 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:41,439 handled their Muslim population, because it seems like they've at 1376 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,880 least maybe again, I'm no expert on this I'm curious 1377 01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,560 what your thoughts are, but it seems like they've made 1378 01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:52,239 an explicit recognition that Russia is Orthodox, at least to 1379 01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:57,239 some degree. But then the Muslim communities, the chechen Ins, 1380 01:22:57,279 --> 01:23:00,640 you know, all those different they can maintain their Islamic 1381 01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,760 identity under a sort of larger Russian banner, and. 1382 01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,680 Speaker 2: Yew, there's some kind of recognition of this idea of 1383 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:14,000 some kind of quote, you know, traditionalism that's broad enough 1384 01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:17,239 to encapsulate Islam, because I think there's like a million 1385 01:23:17,319 --> 01:23:21,239 Muslims in Moscow, right, so, you know, it's unfortunate. I 1386 01:23:21,279 --> 01:23:25,640 don't like that at all, but you know, I guess 1387 01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,640 it's just another it's a situation where maybe pragmatically, they're 1388 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:29,399 forced to do it. 1389 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:36,039 Speaker 1: But I wrote one article that Putin spoke explicitly about 1390 01:23:37,039 --> 01:23:40,800 Slavic people's need to have three to four children per 1391 01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,840 because they're being you know, they're yeah, they're being out 1392 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,119 populated by the smaller Muslim communities in southern Russia. 1393 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I have heard that too. And you know, so 1394 01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,279 we see a lot of good statements. Hey, Jamie, good news, 1395 01:23:55,319 --> 01:24:04,119 Mamy expresso, thank you. You know, maybe as the world 1396 01:24:04,359 --> 01:24:08,439 continues to wake up to Orthodoxy. Again, one of the 1397 01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,720 great things has people been pointing out, like the Internet, 1398 01:24:11,279 --> 01:24:15,960 the Internet's been pretty bad for Islam. Yeah, it's like it's. 1399 01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:17,119 Speaker 1: Been great for Orthodoxy. 1400 01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:20,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, and it might it might be the case 1401 01:24:20,199 --> 01:24:22,079 that you know, early on a lot of idiot twenty 1402 01:24:22,119 --> 01:24:25,159 year old dudes maybe search it out. But like, you know, 1403 01:24:25,239 --> 01:24:27,880 we just had that debate with Shamoon on Fresh and 1404 01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,239 Fit a few months ago that three to four million people. 1405 01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,479 You read the comments and it's like fifty thousand comments, 1406 01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:37,800 ninety nine percent saying that you know, Islam is not 1407 01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:41,439 doing well on the internet, right, So you know, they 1408 01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,680 might have a lot of money to put into propaganda, 1409 01:24:46,319 --> 01:24:51,439 but I don't think that. It's just it's kind of 1410 01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:55,000 foreign to the West and the only way it can 1411 01:24:55,119 --> 01:24:57,000 can see it in the West is when they import 1412 01:24:57,039 --> 01:25:00,880 foreign peoples to the West. Right, So the more that 1413 01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:05,680 we stop, you know, the open border nonsense, perhaps that 1414 01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,199 would help to stem the tide of the of the 1415 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,680 lunacy of this crazy cult. 1416 01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,000 Speaker 1: Last question before we get into super chats. Kind of 1417 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,159 a bit of a diversion, but what are your thoughts 1418 01:25:19,359 --> 01:25:22,439 on we were talking and we've talked about the intelligence agencies, 1419 01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:27,800 the utilization of Islam. Uh, these false dialectics, And I'm 1420 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:33,000 curious what your thoughts are with the Trump administration. We're 1421 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,560 supposed to get some of the Epstein files that was 1422 01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,439 a food gays operation there. They had some influencers come 1423 01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,479 out with a binder of everything that was publicly avail. 1424 01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. We may still got them. I 1425 01:25:44,199 --> 01:25:45,199 may not. Maybe, I don't know. 1426 01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, they did release the JFK files. But do you 1427 01:25:49,359 --> 01:25:54,159 I'm curious in your geopolitical analysis, what do you see 1428 01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,960 happening with this Trump administration. In my perspective, it looked 1429 01:26:00,279 --> 01:26:04,319 like it's sort of domestic policies that are gonna maybe 1430 01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,840 hurt in the short term with tariffs and all this stuff, 1431 01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,159 but he's going to be good long term beneficially for 1432 01:26:09,359 --> 01:26:12,119 like an economic engine. But it feels like this is 1433 01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:15,000 totally tight at the hip with Zionism, and that Christian 1434 01:26:15,079 --> 01:26:20,000 Zionism specifically is now like the official voice of Christianity 1435 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:24,960 in America with Pastor PAULA. White heading the Faith Office 1436 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,680 in the White House, and we have Hegsath talking about 1437 01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,439 how he wants to rebuild the Third Temple, and so 1438 01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,319 within the Trump administration, we have all these Christian Zionists 1439 01:26:34,359 --> 01:26:36,000 that are sort of accelerationists. 1440 01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:42,479 Speaker 2: It's because you know, the JFK files do contain many 1441 01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:47,199 things that implicate certain Middle Eastern countries, which I've been 1442 01:26:47,239 --> 01:26:49,520 talking about who last week, and I did not expect 1443 01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,840 that to be there. So you know why or what's 1444 01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,199 going on, I don't know, but you know, you do 1445 01:26:57,279 --> 01:27:01,760 have people who have talked about that, like Roger Stone, 1446 01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:06,079 very close to Trump. Yeah, and I'm not saying that 1447 01:27:06,119 --> 01:27:08,720 I grew with everything that these people, you know, argue 1448 01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,680 or say, it's just these are these are the facts. 1449 01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,720 And that was a very controversial thesis, you know, put 1450 01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,920 out by Michael Collins Piper twenty years ago in his book. 1451 01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,439 I read it at the time, and you know, you 1452 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,399 just couldn't even talk about that for a long time. 1453 01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,720 So I'm surprised to see that there is, particularly in 1454 01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:31,039 regard to all the stuff about James Jesus Angleton, who 1455 01:27:31,159 --> 01:27:33,640 was a mega you know, Israeli a file. He was 1456 01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,159 the CIA station chief in Rome for a long time, 1457 01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:40,439 and then he became a. 1458 01:27:39,119 --> 01:27:42,640 Speaker 1: More of the mediator between Israeli intelligence and US intelligence. 1459 01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,319 Speaker 2: So everything again, people who knew that and talked about 1460 01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:48,680 that for the last twenty years you were very I mean, 1461 01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,079 his role with being pro Israel was public, but this 1462 01:27:51,159 --> 01:27:55,760 idea of a back channel was theory. And if you 1463 01:27:55,800 --> 01:28:00,640 talked about that, I mean, you would be derided, to 1464 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,800 say the least. I mean you know what I mean. 1465 01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,640 Speaker 1: Like you have do you have any hope that there 1466 01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,760 is a you know, quote unquote it's being repackaged as 1467 01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,840 sort of a regime change in Washington. I feel pretty 1468 01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,920 skeptical about it. Is it just yet to be seen? 1469 01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,479 What are your do you feel like there's you know, 1470 01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,199 is there a sort of regime change or is the 1471 01:28:24,199 --> 01:28:29,359 the the again, this this deeper higher Anglo American establishment, 1472 01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,479 is it still behind the wheel? Even you know, Trump 1473 01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,640 can do all his the stuff that he wants to 1474 01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:38,760 do or or you know, domestic policy stuff like that 1475 01:28:39,159 --> 01:28:42,880 economic stuff, but the ship's moving in the same direction. 1476 01:28:44,199 --> 01:28:48,359 Speaker 2: There is some degree of opposition from you know, the 1477 01:28:48,399 --> 01:28:53,039 administration because you know, all these people, what does is 1478 01:28:53,119 --> 01:28:56,880 talking about and uncovering like all this you know JFK files, 1479 01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,399 Like I feel like we if we got the JFK 1480 01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,359 falls a film like we probably will get the jeff 1481 01:29:01,359 --> 01:29:05,680 Stein mcaffree files. You know, maybe they won't be too reducted. 1482 01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:09,920 I guess we'll see, but there's definitely a real awakening 1483 01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:13,239 in the country. It's always hard to say in terms 1484 01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:17,840 of the administration, uh itself. I don't I don't follow 1485 01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:19,199 a lot of the day to day stuff because I'm 1486 01:29:19,239 --> 01:29:21,199 usually trying to focus on the more you know, meta 1487 01:29:21,359 --> 01:29:25,279 political stuff and the geopolitics. But uh, I think good 1488 01:29:25,279 --> 01:29:28,039 things are happening. I like, I try to be positive 1489 01:29:28,039 --> 01:29:30,800 about those things. You know. One thing I keep saying 1490 01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:35,199 is we've been under such intense mind control for so 1491 01:29:35,279 --> 01:29:39,880 many decades and so much mainstreaming of brainwashing and just nonsense. 1492 01:29:41,159 --> 01:29:43,840 It's not all going to be fixed in one administration, 1493 01:29:44,319 --> 01:29:46,000 you know what I mean, Like, we're gonna be We're 1494 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,880 going to be crawling out of this mess for decades. 1495 01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:55,319 But we're seeing a lot of I look, we're seeing 1496 01:29:55,319 --> 01:29:58,239 a lot more good things than I would have ever happen. 1497 01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,199 Even as that as some of this of. 1498 01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:03,680 Speaker 1: Those and in regarding that false dialectic, one of the 1499 01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,520 things that I'm sure you would agree with this You've 1500 01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,560 talked about it, but with this uh sort of valorization 1501 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:15,000 of Elon Musk. Not that I'm not against dog, I 1502 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:19,079 think it's fantastic find you know, finding all this corruption USAI, 1503 01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:23,520 d all that stuff is fantastic. But I was speaking 1504 01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:27,640 with an Orthodox Christian and they were talking about how 1505 01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,119 great Musk is and thinking, man, I wonder if he's 1506 01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:33,560 going to become Christian. I'm like, dude, no, Like you 1507 01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:38,159 realize that creating a more efficient and robust America for 1508 01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:41,239 his domestic production and in creating, I mean, he is 1509 01:30:41,279 --> 01:30:46,239 a transhumanist. He is one world order figure. I mean, 1510 01:30:46,279 --> 01:30:48,920 he spoke openly about this, and he speaks you know, 1511 01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,880 in one in one article, he'll say that we're summoning 1512 01:30:52,279 --> 01:30:55,399 the demons through the AI, and then literally in this 1513 01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,319 in the next paragraph will say, well, the only way 1514 01:30:57,319 --> 01:30:58,920 to stop it then is we have to fuse with 1515 01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,439 it so that we can control the AI from within 1516 01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,199 or something. So you look at all these corporations that 1517 01:31:04,279 --> 01:31:06,920 he's been creating in the last like two or three years, 1518 01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:11,720 it's all at the technocracy. It's all for a global technocracy. 1519 01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:16,960 And so I just find that really interesting that here's 1520 01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,279 so many people that are happy that he's supporting Trump 1521 01:31:19,319 --> 01:31:22,119 and he's MAGA, and it's like, well, multiple things can 1522 01:31:22,159 --> 01:31:24,880 be true. He can be cutting fraud and abuse and 1523 01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:27,560 making the US government more efficient. But the reasons why 1524 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,920 he's doing this is for a goal in twenty to 1525 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,199 thirty years for what he's going to have in place 1526 01:31:34,199 --> 01:31:37,279 and the economic engine that's going to be behind it. 1527 01:31:37,399 --> 01:31:40,760 And I've found that a lot of people aren't seeing. 1528 01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's definitely a wild card. I don't 1529 01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:46,680 I try to remain detached and you know, just look 1530 01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:51,560 at what's happening, and I hope for the best. I mean, 1531 01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:56,399 I don't know exactly where he's He's just a wild card. 1532 01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,039 I don't even know how to read him because it's like, 1533 01:31:58,079 --> 01:32:00,239 you see this, we'll do this, and it's seen, was 1534 01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:02,239 like really based, then we'll do this other thing. It's like, 1535 01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:05,439 well is he does? It's just kind of like it's 1536 01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,960 in coherent. I don't really understand what's going on. And 1537 01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:12,960 but I do think that if you you know, if 1538 01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,199 you want to keep it to the most positive possible 1539 01:32:16,199 --> 01:32:18,840 like attitude, that we could have. You know, Jacques Attali 1540 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:22,000 in his book, you know he's mega globalist, he says 1541 01:32:22,079 --> 01:32:24,119 in his two thousand and six book Brief History of 1542 01:32:24,119 --> 01:32:28,359 the Future, he says, as globalists, we must be concerned 1543 01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:35,199 that that America does not get into real Christianity. He 1544 01:32:35,239 --> 01:32:38,159 actually sayes that. He says because the major threat that 1545 01:32:38,199 --> 01:32:42,960 we could experience to our hegemony would be a revival 1546 01:32:43,159 --> 01:32:46,840 of some kind of what he calls this his words, 1547 01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:51,239 theocracy in America, and he says that there could be 1548 01:32:51,319 --> 01:32:55,520 a reaction against what we do in America turning to 1549 01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:59,520 a theocracy, which means we must guard against. So even 1550 01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:03,199 the global leats are concerned and worried that the religious 1551 01:33:03,279 --> 01:33:08,199 right might make power moves. And I'm not saying that, 1552 01:33:08,239 --> 01:33:09,840 I mean, that's not really doesn't really have anything to 1553 01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,199 do directly with Musk. But if you're talking twenty thirty 1554 01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:16,159 forty years in the future, like I mean, Elon Musk 1555 01:33:16,199 --> 01:33:18,359 might not be around by then, you have a next 1556 01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:22,600 generation if Christianity, Orthodox Christianity grows, I mean, you could 1557 01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:27,079 have an Orthodox Christian American empire. That's like technologically, you 1558 01:33:27,079 --> 01:33:29,520 know what I mean. Like I'm not trying to be 1559 01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,119 overly optimistic and silly about it or today. 1560 01:33:33,279 --> 01:33:36,399 Speaker 1: I mean, well, Saint Paisi with multiple saints regarding eschatology, 1561 01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:39,399 believe that at least in their in their framework, and 1562 01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:43,840 this is from saints from specifically Russia, Romania and Greece 1563 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,159 is that there'll be a great World war and then 1564 01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,920 Orthodoxy is going to go through a golden age, right, 1565 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,840 and that it's gonna it's gonna have massive explosion around 1566 01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,680 the world, and that this is the prerequisite before an 1567 01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,640 actual Antichrist or anything like that. 1568 01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,800 Speaker 2: That there that would fulfill post millennial in my view, 1569 01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,840 which I've always been post mill but I know that 1570 01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,119 some people are all mill I think in Orthodoxy you 1571 01:34:06,119 --> 01:34:08,960 can be either one. But if that was the case, 1572 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:12,800 that that would fulfill that right. Well, the idea of 1573 01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:17,399 a mass you know, orthodox conversion of the world right. 1574 01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,840 Speaker 1: Which which would make a lot of sense. And one 1575 01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:23,039 of the things we've already seen these hit pieces from 1576 01:34:23,079 --> 01:34:25,199 like the New York Posts and stuff kind of characterized 1577 01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:28,640 this massive growth in Orthodoxy here within the last since 1578 01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:32,159 twenty twenty so within now the last five years, as 1579 01:34:32,199 --> 01:34:36,119 something nefarious. Young men searching for identity. Right, these people 1580 01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:36,880 are so. 1581 01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,319 Speaker 2: Bad, wanting to have a family and wanting to be 1582 01:34:39,399 --> 01:34:41,359 moral and wanted to work out and go to church. 1583 01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:42,800 It's so bad, right. 1584 01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:49,680 Speaker 1: Right, But I could see potentially that growth leading to 1585 01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,920 You've talked about Operation Gladio, and you know, Glowe's I've 1586 01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:56,720 talked with Orthodox people that believe like there's been some 1587 01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,000 strange people that have come to services that they weren't no, yeah, 1588 01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,199 or kind of you know, and trying to keep track 1589 01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,600 on this and potentially if if you know, as Father 1590 01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,039 Turbo Qull says, you can't be a Zionist and be 1591 01:35:10,079 --> 01:35:13,439 an Orthodox Christian based on some of the things that 1592 01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,560 have come out from the papacy and the general growth 1593 01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:20,319 of Christian Zionism and Protestantism, I could see a future 1594 01:35:20,359 --> 01:35:24,640 where we're the only one that aren't like Zionists, and 1595 01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,560 that could be used as a sort of threat to 1596 01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,760 the establishment to some sort. But obviously it's not going 1597 01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,880 to win in the end, because according to at least 1598 01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,319 all the saints in the Elders, there's going to be 1599 01:35:37,319 --> 01:35:40,119 a massive golden age of Orthodoxy. And I've took with 1600 01:35:40,199 --> 01:35:43,039 multiple priests on this channel and they believe what we're 1601 01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:45,920 witnessing now is just like the beginning of this process. 1602 01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:51,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I hope so, and yeah, that's 1603 01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:53,960 definitely possible that you could have some sort of a 1604 01:35:55,279 --> 01:35:58,439 you know, reaction where where Christianity and America ends up 1605 01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:01,000 split between you know, or the our Christianity and then 1606 01:36:01,079 --> 01:36:04,279 some sort of weird But but the thing is that 1607 01:36:05,399 --> 01:36:07,479 one reason I wouldn't be too concerned with that right 1608 01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:12,039 away would be, you know, the Catholic version of their 1609 01:36:12,279 --> 01:36:21,840 novis orto weird statements about I guess certain groups. It's 1610 01:36:22,199 --> 01:36:28,199 even that's not like, that's pretty divorced still from like 1611 01:36:28,279 --> 01:36:32,920 the evangelical dispensationalist attitude. And so I don't know that 1612 01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,119 that you could link, like, I don't think those groups 1613 01:36:35,159 --> 01:36:37,880 would would match too well. They would that wouldn't be 1614 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:38,720 a very I mean. 1615 01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:43,199 Speaker 1: Patriot or something like claim to be a Catholic. 1616 01:36:43,279 --> 01:36:47,279 Speaker 2: Didn't even know that, But I mean, I just I 1617 01:36:47,279 --> 01:36:50,520 can't really see like John Hagy and all of his crew, like, 1618 01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:55,079 you know, with a bunch of Roman Catholics. It just 1619 01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:57,319 doesn't seem that doesn't seem like that would work too well. 1620 01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,960 But you know, who knows, only thirty forty years, a 1621 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,720 lot of these entities might not even exist anymore. They 1622 01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,920 might just literally just die out with no new converts. 1623 01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:12,359 Speaker 1: I suspect Protestantism will for all intentsive purposes die out 1624 01:37:12,359 --> 01:37:15,680 within the next century. I can't I just cannot see 1625 01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:18,840 how that's going to survive. It brings very little to 1626 01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:23,000 the table in regards to sacraments, mysticism, well. 1627 01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:26,079 Speaker 2: Also sterility, like you're not going to have young families. 1628 01:37:26,279 --> 01:37:31,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the old oldest cohorts of Sunday attendees. I 1629 01:37:31,039 --> 01:37:34,960 did a stream. It was like in America it was Buddhist, Hindus, 1630 01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:38,079 Orthodox Christians and Muslims were like the only group that 1631 01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:40,279 the average attendee was below the age of forty. 1632 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:47,880 Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, so yeah, nobody under forty wants these dead, 1633 01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:52,239 sterile Protestant churches which are like hanging giant you know, 1634 01:37:52,399 --> 01:37:56,640 rainbow and BLM banners everywhere that nobody wants that. 1635 01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:02,399 Speaker 1: Rough Hands renewed his membership for twenty three months, says epic, 1636 01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:05,640 comeback stream duo, let's go. Thank you very much, Rough Hands. 1637 01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,000 Shout out to Sarah from Goose for becoming a member. 1638 01:38:08,079 --> 01:38:11,159 Shout out to hauling the Goods for becoming a member. 1639 01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,279 Shout out to h Brassey for renewing his membership. Jay 1640 01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:18,000 and Codle doing the deed, No Diddy, it's cracking. Thank 1641 01:38:18,039 --> 01:38:18,680 you very much. 1642 01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:19,800 Speaker 2: I got a question for you. 1643 01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:20,640 Speaker 1: What's up? 1644 01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,520 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna do a stream tonight. It was gonna 1645 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,479 be earlier before, but I forgot I had to do 1646 01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,800 an interview with John Heares today, so I moved tonight's 1647 01:38:30,359 --> 01:38:33,880 Geza Pyramids stuff. Everybody's talking about the Giza Pyramids and 1648 01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:36,079 the columns and all that. Now you get a stream 1649 01:38:36,199 --> 01:38:39,760 about go Beckley tepee and did you make it members 1650 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:40,800 or something? I can't find it. 1651 01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,800 Speaker 1: Uh no, it shouldn't have been. I think it's still 1652 01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:45,720 on the channel. 1653 01:38:46,199 --> 01:38:48,079 Speaker 2: Because I tried to search it. I couldn't find it. 1654 01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,439 Maybe it's title something different, but yeah, I'll love I 1655 01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:53,640 want because I know in your stream you talked about 1656 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:55,920 how there's not really any evidence of this being made 1657 01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:59,159 by tech or whatever. It could just be human. I 1658 01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,039 think that's what your argument. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to. 1659 01:39:02,119 --> 01:39:04,640 I wanted to clip that and talk about that on 1660 01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:08,359 tonight's stream. But tonight I'm gonna be talking about the 1661 01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:11,960 claims about the pyramid, what the evidence may or may 1662 01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,640 not suggest. I'll also be talking about some of these 1663 01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,840 other megaliths and ancivilizations and this kind of stuff, because 1664 01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:20,720 I haven't talked about that in probably five or six years. 1665 01:39:21,159 --> 01:39:25,239 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the on the Geeze pyramid findings. 1666 01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:29,760 Speaker 2: It's interesting I can. I still can't discern how legitimate 1667 01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:34,399 the claims of the underground tunnel things are because I 1668 01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,760 keep getting conflicting data. I've looked at it for like 1669 01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:41,880 two days straight, and Grock keeps contradicting on it. I 1670 01:39:42,399 --> 01:39:47,479 can't tell whether that's just while conjecture or if it's 1671 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:51,640 actually there. So it's not in the original paper. But 1672 01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:54,359 now suppose that the same people from that paper have 1673 01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:56,760 a new paper which is not yet peer review, but 1674 01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:02,640 they're making these claims. So if it's true, it would 1675 01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:07,760 suggest totally different history of that region and maybe even 1676 01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:12,039 like Nefhelm type stuff if it's true. But it may 1677 01:40:12,079 --> 01:40:15,199 not be true. So have you looked at it at all? 1678 01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,359 Speaker 1: I've been looking at it a little bit, but like you, 1679 01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:21,039 I got just in my cursory search. This was a 1680 01:40:21,079 --> 01:40:22,760 couple of days ago. I started to see that there 1681 01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:26,000 was a few exaggerations from what I was seeing by 1682 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,640 people online about it, okay, and they were, you know, 1683 01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,439 they were a little bit more conspiratorial. So they immediately 1684 01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:38,760 went to Graham Hancock law, civilization, ancient technology, that type 1685 01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:43,000 of worldview, and it leads at least from them. What 1686 01:40:43,039 --> 01:40:45,279 I'm hearing is the narrative that it leads credence to 1687 01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:49,079 like the pyramids being like pyramids of energy, and that 1688 01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:52,159 the you know these coils that are amongst. 1689 01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,760 Speaker 2: These Yeah, that's like it's a giant battery or something. 1690 01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,720 I don't know all that, but like if there's structures, 1691 01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,000 I mean, that could suggest just you know, just a 1692 01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:05,079 whole other underground city or yeah. 1693 01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,359 Speaker 1: And and that's where I've I've done streams on like 1694 01:41:08,399 --> 01:41:12,880 ancient aliens and stuff like that, and you know, I 1695 01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:16,479 think that there's a lot of natural explanations. I think 1696 01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:19,680 that the the ancients weren't as totally ignorant as we 1697 01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,800 think they are, right, and if we watched the ind 1698 01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,359 I think that they thought in such a larger time frame. 1699 01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:27,520 And we think of building a pyramid, we like expect 1700 01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,039 it to be done within two years, like we have 1701 01:41:30,119 --> 01:41:33,439 the you know, these people are thinking in generations, and so. 1702 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,319 Speaker 2: They would think about cathedral building for one hundred. 1703 01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:40,640 Speaker 1: Years exactly, and that's medieval, that's you know, so we're 1704 01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:46,960 talking ancient period. So but you know, what, do you feel, 1705 01:41:47,039 --> 01:41:52,279 like Graham Hancock sort of if let's just speculate if 1706 01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,920 there's this sort of redating because everybody wants to go 1707 01:41:56,039 --> 01:41:58,279 back to the twelve thousand year periods. So when go 1708 01:41:58,359 --> 01:42:01,079 Blacky TEPI, that's the whole thing is like, oh, we 1709 01:42:01,159 --> 01:42:03,760 had advanced humans of the fingerprints of the gods. There 1710 01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:04,039 you go. 1711 01:42:04,279 --> 01:42:06,159 Speaker 2: So yeah, I was going to cover fingerprints of the gods. 1712 01:42:06,199 --> 01:42:10,960 Speaker 1: I think that's the astro theology of how Leo and. 1713 01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:16,840 Speaker 2: I think that it's fun and interesting to speculate, and 1714 01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:19,600 you know, I think everybody has a phase of where 1715 01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:22,119 you read Grand Hancock and you get that stuff, and 1716 01:42:22,199 --> 01:42:25,800 I did two of my twenties. I do think there's 1717 01:42:26,039 --> 01:42:30,840 genuinely mysterious things that we don't know how they you know, 1718 01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:35,079 megaliths and lost cities and underground civilizations and all that 1719 01:42:35,079 --> 01:42:37,319 that stuff does get The fact there was one, and 1720 01:42:37,399 --> 01:42:38,640 I don't know if you saw the recent one in 1721 01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,119 China was pretty mind blowing. There was a village in 1722 01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:46,960 China and they had this ancient sort of water well 1723 01:42:47,039 --> 01:42:49,399 that was kind of pouring water out of a rock 1724 01:42:50,359 --> 01:42:53,680 and it was not that big of a like cistern 1725 01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,079 type thing that had been there, and everybody in the 1726 01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:58,279 village just knew it as oh, that's the ancient you 1727 01:42:58,319 --> 01:43:00,520 know water well. We don't even know where the water 1728 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,520 comes from. It's just the ancient sacred water well. So 1729 01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,479 they drained it somehow, and then they brought in this 1730 01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:09,840 team of archaeologists and all this, and they started digging 1731 01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,840 around it, and they found tunnels, and they found an 1732 01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:18,319 entire underground city with giant columns, not as giant as 1733 01:43:18,359 --> 01:43:23,199 the Egyptian court, but pretty amazing like this, and it's 1734 01:43:23,239 --> 01:43:26,600 so old nobody knows what it is. Like the Chinese 1735 01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:29,680 are like, you know, we don't even know. Nobody remembers, 1736 01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:31,840 you know what I mean. So I do think there's 1737 01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:36,079 these fascinating instances of stuff like this law civilizations and 1738 01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:39,239 like you said, like there's no reason to jump to 1739 01:43:40,399 --> 01:43:43,880 aliens or this nonsense. And most of the people who 1740 01:43:44,039 --> 01:43:47,039 are you know, claimants of that kind of stuff, like 1741 01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,600 very Bondanik and these like these people are frauds, you 1742 01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:53,920 know what I mean, Like they exposed as frauds. So 1743 01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,159 but I do think it's possible, if I was to 1744 01:43:57,359 --> 01:44:00,640 admit anything, if the Genesis six narrative, and if the 1745 01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,560 Titan narrative that's in some of the deepconomical text is true, 1746 01:44:04,039 --> 01:44:07,640 it's possible that, you know, the Book of Enich is 1747 01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:11,600 describing a period when you had aberrations in the ancient 1748 01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:16,640 world that perhaps required worship in human sacrifice at these sites, 1749 01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:20,000 and that is what led to a global flood. So 1750 01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:25,279 if these ancient civilizations had this thing going on, I 1751 01:44:25,319 --> 01:44:28,800 mean Plato talks about Atlantis being he doesn't mention giants 1752 01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,680 or tech, but he says, you have this ancient civilization, 1753 01:44:32,199 --> 01:44:36,079 it was destroyed like that God flooded it. So you've 1754 01:44:36,079 --> 01:44:38,840 got a lot of at the Station two. You know, 1755 01:44:39,239 --> 01:44:41,640 global flood myths in China. 1756 01:44:41,319 --> 01:44:45,159 Speaker 1: And that's where Hmcock and Randall Carlson. I mean, Randal 1757 01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:49,279 Carson is essentially proven and he's a New Age guy. 1758 01:44:49,359 --> 01:44:51,760 He's in the like the Sacred Jount, but he has 1759 01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:56,279 shown that there was a massive global flood that happened, 1760 01:44:56,319 --> 01:44:59,359 and that's just a historical fact. And it wasn't some 1761 01:44:59,399 --> 01:45:02,960 regional thing like I think what the typical narrative of 1762 01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:06,800 like the archaeologist was that these floods were like regional events. 1763 01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:08,920 He's saying, no, no, no, this was massive, This like 1764 01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:11,720 covered all like aspects of North America. This was not 1765 01:45:12,079 --> 01:45:13,039 a regional flood. 1766 01:45:13,359 --> 01:45:15,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. At the beginning, well, I mean, you know, fingerprints 1767 01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:17,239 of the gods he talks about early on, like the 1768 01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:22,279 is it down where the Anasca lines are? Is a 1769 01:45:22,359 --> 01:45:27,079 Peru that the Peruvians have a flood myth as well, 1770 01:45:27,239 --> 01:45:29,720 and they had this this prophecy of this you know 1771 01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,880 teacher who after the great flood, you know, told them 1772 01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:36,840 to live righteously and don't kill each other and kind 1773 01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:38,800 of giving him a basic kind of Ten commandments kind 1774 01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:42,920 of morality. So, you know, I think it's okay to 1775 01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:46,720 speculate within reason, right, you know, about this ancients, because 1776 01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,479 I just feel like we don't really know about the 1777 01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:50,720 ancient world, no. 1778 01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,640 Speaker 1: So, and so many sources have been corrupted, like and 1779 01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:58,760 there's been a historical narrative to to reframe things that 1780 01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:01,800 have happened. So it's so hard to like fully get 1781 01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,119 a grasp of the ancient world and like what they 1782 01:46:04,119 --> 01:46:06,439 are capable of, what they could do, what they couldn't do. 1783 01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,880 But it is fun and exciting sort of leading edge 1784 01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:14,920 thought of like rediscovering our past and maybe it wasn't 1785 01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:17,640 what we thought it was, but what I feel and 1786 01:46:18,079 --> 01:46:21,399 I'll move on here. But I've never seen anything regarding 1787 01:46:21,399 --> 01:46:25,520 some of these ancient legends that actually contradict the Biblical worldview. 1788 01:46:26,159 --> 01:46:28,880 If anything, it typically reinforces it. It's just that so 1789 01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,359 many people are new age that are into these topics 1790 01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,439 immediately go to the ancient alien thing or some type 1791 01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:38,079 of you know, advanced technology. But if you're just a 1792 01:46:38,239 --> 01:46:40,520 traditional Christian, like a lot of this stuff kind of 1793 01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,560 fits in a totally in accord with my worldview, I 1794 01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,520 don't see where you have to appeal to all this stuff. 1795 01:46:46,319 --> 01:46:48,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's ancient Chinese flood myth, which is at the 1796 01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:52,640 beginning of the I chain, right, yep, there's the Gilgamesh 1797 01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:54,960 legend yoga match epic. I remember in Bible college we 1798 01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:59,479 talked about how there's a flood story in Gilgameshe epic. Yeah, 1799 01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:02,439 so it's fair. And then you have you know, Peruvian 1800 01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:07,079 flood myth as well. So I mean, if the it 1801 01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:10,079 makes me think of another section in the Graham Hancock 1802 01:47:10,079 --> 01:47:12,640 thing where he took You've heard of the Periorus map, right, 1803 01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,439 I mean just speculating here, like if that map really 1804 01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:22,880 is describing some different, you know, underlying land underneath the ice. 1805 01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:27,239 I mean, perhaps a giant flood is what changed that, 1806 01:47:27,279 --> 01:47:29,279 you know what I mean? Like to me, a lot 1807 01:47:29,319 --> 01:47:31,399 of these things sound like a flood would explain a lot. 1808 01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Well, I have to check out your stream tonight. 1809 01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,640 That's going to be pretty fascinating. Because I have not 1810 01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:40,720 done a full deep dive. I came up to conflicting narratives. 1811 01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:43,279 I was like, Okay, maybe this stuff was just overhyped. 1812 01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:44,640 I'm not sure, what. 1813 01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:49,479 Speaker 2: Do you think about go Beckley Tepee? Like, uh, I 1814 01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:54,000 remember you're The claim is that like some of the 1815 01:47:54,079 --> 01:47:56,479 rocks are cut in a way that they couldn't do 1816 01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:57,479 back then or something. 1817 01:47:57,359 --> 01:48:01,920 Speaker 1: Right, yep, And that they basically this was technology that 1818 01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:07,039 was superior to what they had. And then the carbon dating, 1819 01:48:07,079 --> 01:48:12,359 which even then carbon dating isn't like rock solid, but 1820 01:48:12,399 --> 01:48:15,439 according to some of the carbon dating and stuff like that, 1821 01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,119 they are saying that this is the best site to 1822 01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:22,000 push back the timeframe to twelve thousand years ago. And 1823 01:48:22,039 --> 01:48:25,560 that's why Graham Hancock is so adamant about that particular 1824 01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:30,279 tie because that if it is true, because he has 1825 01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:33,960 some scientific credence to redating that site to potentially twelve 1826 01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,800 thousand years ago if that's the case, and he believes 1827 01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,239 that they built an entire city and then buried it, 1828 01:48:40,079 --> 01:48:43,279 which I'm not sure quite sure how that makes a 1829 01:48:43,279 --> 01:48:45,960 lot of sense, but that's why they claim it so preserved. 1830 01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:48,760 And there was a guy that I listened to that 1831 01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:53,079 recently went on Rogan. This was maybe within the last 1832 01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:56,159 six months, but he claims that there's like a huge 1833 01:48:56,439 --> 01:49:02,479 effort in Turkey to no longer excavate any more of 1834 01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:06,119 that site. And then the theories abound. Is it because 1835 01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:09,960 of it totally reshapes ancient history or is it because 1836 01:49:10,039 --> 01:49:12,760 if they if they keep it partial, they make more 1837 01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,199 money through tourism that wants to come and like see it. 1838 01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:18,880 I don't know, it's it's debated, but he recently was 1839 01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:20,760 bringing this up. I think he's the guy I forget 1840 01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:22,960 his name, but he's done a lot of stuff on 1841 01:49:23,039 --> 01:49:26,680 Atlantis and like arguing that it was that place inside 1842 01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,039 the Sahara Desert. If you know what I'm talking about. 1843 01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:35,119 There's here. Let me pull this up, so Google maps, 1844 01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:44,319 if you go to Bam Bam and Mauritania. If I 1845 01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:50,840 go here to like the layers here, there's this right here, 1846 01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:54,399 so you see this like massive circle. 1847 01:49:55,359 --> 01:49:56,560 Speaker 2: Oh, this would be the consent. 1848 01:49:57,399 --> 01:49:59,840 Speaker 1: Yes, So he claims this is actually the city of Atlantis, 1849 01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,560 and so they've done work here. Now it's really hard 1850 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:04,920 to do any research because it's literally out in the 1851 01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,199 middle of the Sahara and it's super hard to stay 1852 01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:11,640 out there for long periods. This apparently was all underwater 1853 01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:14,159 at least the water was rounded at one point. Huh. 1854 01:50:14,359 --> 01:50:17,319 And so there's been multiple archaeologists in this. Guy has 1855 01:50:17,319 --> 01:50:20,399 a large YouTube channel. He's been on Rogan He thinks 1856 01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:25,600 and makes the affirmative claim that this is Atlantis right here. 1857 01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:31,600 Speaker 2: Huh. So I did not know, I'm not you. Have 1858 01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:35,920 you seen some of these claims of like like they 1859 01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,399 found like a giant pyramid I think in Serbia. 1860 01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:42,199 Speaker 1: Uh No, I have not looked into that. 1861 01:50:42,359 --> 01:50:45,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was interesting because and the reason I think 1862 01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:47,600 that I'm going for a memory here, but the reason 1863 01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:50,640 I mean it may not be Serbia, maybe somewhere in Macedonia, remember, 1864 01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:54,640 somewhere in that region. Because the thought was, well, pyramids 1865 01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:59,439 and ziggorots are you know, not caucaus of stuff that's 1866 01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:03,279 Middle East or you know, ziggorotes in Latin South America 1867 01:51:03,359 --> 01:51:07,399 or whatever. But if there's ziggorots or assume that there's 1868 01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:09,760 a pyramid in Serbia, that would be pretty interesting, wouldn't 1869 01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:15,319 that In terms of the ancient world. And then there's another. Uh. 1870 01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:18,720 I'm split on the one in Antarctica because you know 1871 01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:25,239 I'm talking about Uh, there's a claimed pyramid there, which 1872 01:51:26,039 --> 01:51:28,880 sometimes when I look at him, like it's just a mountain, 1873 01:51:29,039 --> 01:51:30,920 and then from other angles it's like that looks like 1874 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:32,000 a pyramid. 1875 01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:34,119 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I don't know what that is. I saw 1876 01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:37,640 something wasn't like the largest pyramid ever found was recently 1877 01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:41,000 in like Indonesia or something. I thought it was in 1878 01:51:41,039 --> 01:51:44,199 Southeast Asia. And this was a thought. It was like 1879 01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:47,239 I think if you if you did a YouTube or 1880 01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:50,560 just an internet search would pop up. But it was 1881 01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:54,359 a Southeast Asian country. I can't remember exactly, but it 1882 01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,000 looked like it was part of a mountain. But it 1883 01:51:56,079 --> 01:51:57,960 turned out to be like what they believe to be 1884 01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:01,520 as a man made pyramid, and supposedly it's the found. 1885 01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:04,680 Speaker 2: Oh no, I didn't know that. So let me see 1886 01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:08,319 Bosnian pyramid claims the Mystery of Bosnias. Now this is 1887 01:52:08,359 --> 01:52:14,319 actually in a even like mainstream nor mey right, this 1888 01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:16,920 is Smithsonian. Let's see what they say. Because I knew 1889 01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:22,600 I'd read about this. I'm not sure how legit they 1890 01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:25,680 take it to be. They might be deblooking it. But 1891 01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:34,279 Visoko Bosnia, Bosnian pyramids, that actually that looks like a pyramid, 1892 01:52:34,319 --> 01:52:35,760 I mean, that does not look like a mountain if 1893 01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:38,720 you look it up, I mean from certain angles, that 1894 01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:40,760 looks like a straight up like well. 1895 01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:44,920 Speaker 1: And in China, I went to the Terracotta Warriors, which 1896 01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:50,079 is in Chian, the ancient capital of ancient China. And 1897 01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,880 when I was there, just within like the last decade, 1898 01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:56,720 so that I was there. I went there in twenty twelve, 1899 01:52:57,479 --> 01:53:00,359 and they had said within the last decade it was 1900 01:53:00,399 --> 01:53:02,479 discovered that what looked to be it just looked like 1901 01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:05,159 a big hill turned out to be a man made structure, 1902 01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:08,199 and that they had buried an emperor. And they recently 1903 01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,439 through sonar and stuff because they can't go in it 1904 01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:14,720 because they believe it's booby trapped and has all these 1905 01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:18,239 poisons and stuff because it's apparently, according to them, it's 1906 01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:21,920 filled with Terracotta warriors soldiers that were close to the emperor, 1907 01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:25,880 and a bunch of treasure inside. But they believe, based 1908 01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:28,399 on their understandings of these structures, that it's like booby 1909 01:53:28,399 --> 01:53:31,279 trapped and if you go in there, there's poisons, mercury, 1910 01:53:31,319 --> 01:53:33,399 all types of stuff. To try to kill somebody if 1911 01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:36,119 they were to take any of the treasure. But yeah, 1912 01:53:36,119 --> 01:53:39,279 that was I mean that's in the two thousands, right 1913 01:53:39,319 --> 01:53:41,920 next to a major museum in China, and they just 1914 01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:44,439 realized that a big hill was actually a man made structure. 1915 01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:52,880 Speaker 2: Huh. So they also found something recently too in one 1916 01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:55,640 of the Latin South American countries, like was it Aztec 1917 01:53:55,760 --> 01:54:00,920 or like a Maya or Inca, like a j underground 1918 01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:04,079 tunnel network that had never been discovered before. It was 1919 01:54:04,119 --> 01:54:07,119 pretty recent. Oh I got to find that. One of 1920 01:54:07,159 --> 01:54:10,000 the Chinese village though, because that one. That's the craziest. 1921 01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:13,880 I think all this might be. It's called the long 1922 01:54:14,039 --> 01:54:16,399 U Caves. Have you heard of this? I think this 1923 01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:21,199 is it. Let me make sure cas l O n 1924 01:54:21,359 --> 01:54:26,760 Gyou caves. I think this is it. Yes, this is it. 1925 01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:30,399 So it was just some village and then just drained 1926 01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:35,600 the water and they found this giant underground structure. I 1927 01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:39,520 don't even think they know like what it is. Oh wow, 1928 01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:42,880 like what like who you know? It's just forgotten, like 1929 01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:45,840 nobody remembers or knows like what Emperor said, build me 1930 01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:46,319 this cave? 1931 01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:53,399 Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, it's I think that all that ancient it's fascinating. 1932 01:54:53,439 --> 01:54:55,560 I think there's definitely a story that has yet to 1933 01:54:55,600 --> 01:55:00,920 be told to what exactly happened and how these structures 1934 01:55:01,479 --> 01:55:04,439 they do. And that's and that's the whole thing with Graham. 1935 01:55:04,439 --> 01:55:07,479 Hancock's point is that all the ancients worship the stars, 1936 01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:09,079 and so all this stuff has to do with like 1937 01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:15,079 astrological symbolism and influence, and he kind of has a 1938 01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:17,359 New Age spirituality where they're harnessing the power of the 1939 01:55:17,399 --> 01:55:20,640 stars and all this different stuff. But I mean, I'm 1940 01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:24,039 not I'm not like, no, no, no, but I think 1941 01:55:24,079 --> 01:55:28,079 he I think he has a point that there is 1942 01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:32,560 some type of connection amongst all these ancient groups after 1943 01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:35,119 building these structures. There's clearly a phenomenon here. 1944 01:55:35,159 --> 01:55:38,760 Speaker 2: Definitely an astrological like worship alignment type of thing. 1945 01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:42,000 Speaker 1: Right right, which absolutely yeah, I don't think there's any 1946 01:55:42,079 --> 01:55:45,600 doubt about that. And the fact that they are all 1947 01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:50,880 over the world, I mean, they the Eastern Island statues 1948 01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:53,560 are still unexplainable. They don't understand how how the hell 1949 01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:57,039 they built those like weird statues of guys that were 1950 01:55:57,159 --> 01:55:58,359 they're found like in the ground. 1951 01:55:58,399 --> 01:56:01,960 Speaker 2: They're ginormous, So are they just heads or full bodies. 1952 01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they yeah, they they've excavated some of that 1953 01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:11,239 stuff and they're they're ginormous and it would take hundreds 1954 01:56:11,279 --> 01:56:13,720 and hundreds of men to try to pull those across 1955 01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:19,079 like wooden, uh, like lumber, like timber, you know, you 1956 01:56:19,119 --> 01:56:21,119 lay timber down to try to roll it across it. 1957 01:56:21,159 --> 01:56:24,119 I mean it. They're huge and and apparently they're all 1958 01:56:24,199 --> 01:56:25,319 made it all in one piece. 1959 01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:31,600 Speaker 2: So well, that reminds me of the Have you seen that? 1960 01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,399 I think it's maybe I want to say Serbia again, 1961 01:56:34,439 --> 01:56:37,640 but that there's this place where there's like these giant 1962 01:56:38,039 --> 01:56:40,399 stones that kind of go out into the water and 1963 01:56:40,439 --> 01:56:42,800 it's like it's a road. 1964 01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:45,960 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, are you talking about Japan? 1965 01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:48,960 Speaker 2: Maybe Japan? I can't remember. They don't know how it 1966 01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:51,119 got there, but it looks like it was a giant wind. 1967 01:56:51,239 --> 01:56:54,239 Speaker 1: They look perfectly Yeah, they're like perfect rectangles and the 1968 01:56:54,359 --> 01:57:00,000 sharp with sharp edges, it's like, how the hell? Yeah, 1969 01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:02,640 I've heard of spec. I think Graham's speculation is that 1970 01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:06,159 when the Great Flood happened, all this stuff went underwater 1971 01:57:06,399 --> 01:57:08,640 water before it was actually above water exactly. 1972 01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:10,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. 1973 01:57:10,319 --> 01:57:10,479 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1974 01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1975 01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:13,680 Speaker 1: People are saying we're getting into Billy Carson territory. 1976 01:57:15,319 --> 01:57:19,520 Speaker 2: No, dude, I mean we're getting into Bible Genesis territory exactly. 1977 01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:23,159 Speaker 1: I think that's what's happening is is as you know, 1978 01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:25,039 as time goes on, it's like the Bible is actually 1979 01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:29,600 being proven to be more accurate than anybody supposed. So 1980 01:57:30,199 --> 01:57:32,359 AC shout out to you. Brother throws in fifty bucks 1981 01:57:32,359 --> 01:57:34,159 says you may share this with Jay even though he 1982 01:57:34,319 --> 01:57:39,640 is a quantum KGB sorcer before the KGB went defunct. 1983 01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:43,840 Thank you so much, Ac, David. 1984 01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:47,359 Speaker 2: James AGB anymore. But people still say that, you know, 1985 01:57:47,399 --> 01:57:50,359 if you're Orthodox, you're like tied to the KGB, which 1986 01:57:50,399 --> 01:57:54,359 is I know, the KGB has been thirty five years 1987 01:57:54,359 --> 01:57:54,880 of defunct. 1988 01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:58,520 Speaker 1: So well, some of the stuff that people make up 1989 01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:05,720 about you is just hilarious. Uh, and man, and say 1990 01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,399 that you're some of the people you debate with are 1991 01:58:08,479 --> 01:58:11,159 so incredibly dumb that. 1992 01:58:13,079 --> 01:58:16,840 Speaker 2: We gotta we got a popular person debate Wednesday. I'm 1993 01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:20,199 gonna be debating. Uh do you know Dasha from Red Scare. 1994 01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:26,000 Oh yeah, she wants to debate Eastern Catholic versus Orthodox. 1995 01:58:26,399 --> 01:58:31,199 Oh my gosh, that would be Wednesday. 1996 01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:34,159 Speaker 1: Has no idea what she's getting into. 1997 01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:35,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably troller. 1998 01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:38,039 Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, is that on your platform? Yeah? 1999 01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:41,319 Speaker 2: I told her she would come on the channel. I'm 2000 01:58:41,319 --> 01:58:44,239 gonna I'm gonna like make up stupid questions and like 2001 01:58:44,359 --> 01:58:48,159 assert stupid stuff that they don't believe, like just to 2002 01:58:48,159 --> 01:58:49,680 mess with her. I'm gonna say, well, you know, the 2003 01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:53,079 Eastern Catholics believe in eating weed on one of your holidays, right, 2004 01:58:54,439 --> 01:58:58,079 I'm just gonna mess with her. 2005 01:58:59,399 --> 01:59:01,800 Speaker 1: H one of the goods, throws intent, says, did Lawrence 2006 01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:04,439 of Arabia wear Cosby sweaters and have a gay lisp? 2007 01:59:05,279 --> 01:59:07,760 Speaker 2: If you watch the Gertrue Bell movie with Nicole Kibben, 2008 01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:14,319 Robert Pattinson plays to Lawrence. So so you can go 2009 01:59:14,359 --> 01:59:17,600 watch Robert Pattinson being skittles and determine whether you think 2010 01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:18,199 he has a lisp. 2011 01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:23,119 Speaker 1: Austin Detulio throws in five. Thank you very much. Brother. 2012 01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:26,359 Brendan Turner throws in five, says Britz. Keep saying they 2013 01:59:26,359 --> 01:59:29,800 can take back their country because look at the Spanish reconquista, 2014 01:59:30,319 --> 01:59:35,560 but the Spanish elites weren't pro Islam. They might be cooked. Yeah, 2015 01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:39,840 I think we discussed that. It's it's gonna be tough. 2016 01:59:40,039 --> 01:59:44,520 For Britain. I mean, I think, at least based on percentages, 2017 01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:48,199 Germany still has a chance if it stopped like in 2018 01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:52,479 the very near future and corrected course. But France and 2019 01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:55,199 especially England, I mean England at the percentage now, I 2020 01:59:55,239 --> 01:59:59,000 think it's almost twenty percent of the country. I mean, 2021 01:59:59,039 --> 02:00:01,560 it's that you just imported it. 2022 02:00:02,399 --> 02:00:02,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. 2023 02:00:04,319 --> 02:00:06,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. God bless them, though, I hope. 2024 02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:09,159 Speaker 2: I mean, could you turn it back? I don't know. 2025 02:00:09,199 --> 02:00:09,880 It's a good question. 2026 02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:16,319 Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't without deportation, and I think that, yeah, 2027 02:00:16,359 --> 02:00:19,239 I can't. I don't see a single European nation outside 2028 02:00:19,279 --> 02:00:22,640 you know, Hungry or Poland, and that'd be in a local, 2029 02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:24,800 regional area. But I don't see any of them like 2030 02:00:25,319 --> 02:00:27,920 deporting anybody. So I don't. I don't see how they're 2031 02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:30,119 going to turn it back. It's just not going to happen. 2032 02:00:32,039 --> 02:00:34,359 Josiah throws in twenty Thank you so much, brother, he says, 2033 02:00:34,359 --> 02:00:36,640 God bless you and Jay. You are both changing the 2034 02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:38,520 world more than you know. God bless you well. Thank 2035 02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:44,520 you very much, Josiah were humble. H BROSSI says, what's 2036 02:00:44,680 --> 02:00:51,199 STG stand for? I don't know, so I STG. Jay 2037 02:00:51,279 --> 02:00:56,399 has the best normy tarred americanism man voice. I don't 2038 02:00:56,439 --> 02:00:58,840 know why a goofy ass mocking voice makes me laugh 2039 02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:00,920 so hard when I heard it a million times. 2040 02:01:01,279 --> 02:01:03,199 Speaker 2: I think you're talking about one of my normy when 2041 02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:05,800 I do the normy voice, that's what he's talking about. 2042 02:01:06,199 --> 02:01:10,279 Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you very much. H Brossi and Jehovah's 2043 02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:15,439 Thickness renewed his membership. Thank you very much, says Jay 2044 02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:18,079 talked about trauma. Do either of you have a stream 2045 02:01:18,119 --> 02:01:22,199 specifically covering on whys and hows of trauma? Is useful? 2046 02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:24,680 I pay for it, but import I do not have 2047 02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:26,560 anything on trauma specific. 2048 02:01:26,319 --> 02:01:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Jamie and I've done. We got a 2049 02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:31,359 bunch of old archives streams about trauma based mind control. Yeah, 2050 02:01:31,439 --> 02:01:32,119 we got a bunch. 2051 02:01:34,119 --> 02:01:37,039 Speaker 1: Great, So go check those out. Uh. And the best 2052 02:01:37,079 --> 02:01:39,279 way when you're trying to find go to Jay's YouTube 2053 02:01:39,319 --> 02:01:42,800 channel on a desktop and click on the search and 2054 02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:46,479 then put because if you just search Jadeyer in the 2055 02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:49,600 topic in the YouTube search bar, multiple videos do not 2056 02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:51,159 come up. You have to go to the channel and 2057 02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:54,079 search it. So if anybody's looking for old stuff, that's 2058 02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:54,520 I know. 2059 02:01:54,479 --> 02:01:58,920 Speaker 2: What tepee stream is called I can't find. 2060 02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:00,840 Speaker 1: When we get off, I'll I'll go back through my 2061 02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:01,920 channel and send it to you. 2062 02:02:02,319 --> 02:02:05,159 Speaker 2: Because that's an example like when I search, you know, 2063 02:02:05,399 --> 02:02:08,279 I can't find your thing on that. 2064 02:02:08,319 --> 02:02:12,039 Speaker 1: And it may have I'll find out which stream it 2065 02:02:12,079 --> 02:02:14,960 may have been titled something that was related to ancient history. 2066 02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:17,760 So let me get off. I'll go back through my 2067 02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:22,960 my channel and look. H Browski throws another ten says 2068 02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:25,760 it's only a partial antidote to degeneracy. I think you're 2069 02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:28,159 talking about Islam. The young men seeking out Islam think 2070 02:02:28,199 --> 02:02:31,479 it's more base because they can comb with multiple wives 2071 02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:36,800 under that view, that plus abhorrence of Protestantism. Yeah, I mean, 2072 02:02:37,079 --> 02:02:40,840 and you've talked about this. I mean Islam is appealing 2073 02:02:41,079 --> 02:02:44,600 to like primitive senses in man, right, so you get 2074 02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:48,399 like it kind of has like prosperity gospel. So then 2075 02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:51,600 you know Allah's rewarded you with money. So now you 2076 02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:54,039 can have four wives and if you want, you can 2077 02:02:54,159 --> 02:02:56,319 you know, if you're in Chia, you can go purchase 2078 02:02:56,359 --> 02:02:59,680 a woman for a day. It has all types of 2079 02:02:59,680 --> 02:03:01,039 stuff that's about like worldly. 2080 02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:03,960 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let's not forget the most obvious of 2081 02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:07,279 like people young, very young underage. 2082 02:03:07,399 --> 02:03:10,079 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so Ayisha. 2083 02:03:10,439 --> 02:03:12,920 Speaker 2: Well but I mean PDF stuff, Oh. 2084 02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:15,560 Speaker 1: Yeah in general, yeah, the normalization of that in general. Yeah, 2085 02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:19,760 the was it the Baka Bachi boys of Afghanistan. 2086 02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:23,640 Speaker 2: Those are actually pagan but oh they're not Muslim. No. 2087 02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:27,359 I mean, I'm sure they tolerated. But uh, I'm pretty 2088 02:03:27,359 --> 02:03:30,800 sure like the Taliban was opposed to the dancing boys. 2089 02:03:32,039 --> 02:03:37,079 Speaker 1: Good Age Browsei said. I know it's not necessarily either 2090 02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:39,600 of you guys placed to answer this, or maybe just 2091 02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:42,159 don't know, but it seems to me that the Western 2092 02:03:42,239 --> 02:03:46,359 Europeans may have lost this slow burn war thoughts. Well, 2093 02:03:46,359 --> 02:03:49,520 I think we've already addressed it. I don't know how, 2094 02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:53,159 and Jay already said how they're going to turn this tide, 2095 02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:58,199 and the I don't see the gumption to do any 2096 02:03:58,239 --> 02:04:02,039 mass deportation or totally change course. So the best they 2097 02:04:02,039 --> 02:04:04,720 could do is just close off immigrant but there's so 2098 02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:07,560 many people it's already changed the fabric of the country. 2099 02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:12,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I looked it up. The practice is like 2100 02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:15,239 an ancient, like a like a more of a pagan 2101 02:04:15,279 --> 02:04:21,800 thing in Afghanistan, and Islamic law has tried to ban it. 2102 02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:24,279 I'm not saying that makes. 2103 02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:28,720 Speaker 1: Like, well, you know, one of the things I found 2104 02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:32,239 interesting when I was doing a stream on the trans 2105 02:04:32,279 --> 02:04:36,319 stuff was that Iran is like the world leader in 2106 02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:43,600 surgeries that as long as you transition, it's not a sin. 2107 02:04:44,119 --> 02:04:49,560 Speaker 2: It's actually a world hub for that. Yeah, it's I mean, 2108 02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:51,880 people need to understand, like especially dumb right wingers that 2109 02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:53,600 want to think you can have the alliance with all 2110 02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:57,239 these wacko like I mean, she A beliefs are crazy. 2111 02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:02,880 It's it's it's not it's like, okay, so Rabbis have 2112 02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,640 a crazy philosophy. Oh, I guess that means I Ran 2113 02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:06,399 and she are good. 2114 02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:10,920 Speaker 1: It's just crazy exactly. No, and and yeah, and they 2115 02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:12,760 read that, you know, I see these people will read 2116 02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:15,680 like they'll get in like the traditionalist school and read 2117 02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:17,760 one book on Sufism and all of a sudden, like, no, 2118 02:05:18,039 --> 02:05:22,039 Islam's like super cool, dude, it's like neoplatonic. And it's like, no, 2119 02:05:22,319 --> 02:05:25,439 have you looked into like the religion of it, like 2120 02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:30,560 not just some Western portrayal of like Islamic mysticism, Like 2121 02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:32,720 it's it's totally incurably. 2122 02:05:32,920 --> 02:05:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true that like Sufi and you know, Sheia 2123 02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:40,199 Islam is neo platonic. But yeah, that doesn't mean that 2124 02:05:40,239 --> 02:05:42,439 it's based and tried and good. 2125 02:05:42,720 --> 02:05:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. H Brossi said, I'm not trying to be mean, 2126 02:05:48,680 --> 02:05:53,560 but ex prostitutes will never stop running through those Protestant 2127 02:05:53,680 --> 02:05:55,960 church doors. They need to shield their past. 2128 02:05:56,239 --> 02:05:59,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're figuring out like it's a grift, right right 2129 02:05:59,479 --> 02:06:00,640 like people like that. 2130 02:06:01,279 --> 02:06:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Pastor Nala given her dad her only fans money. 2131 02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:11,520 Bitter Klinger says, can Jay give us a John Hagy 2132 02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:16,800 talking about the Nephelam and Pyramids in personation. 2133 02:06:16,720 --> 02:06:20,279 Speaker 2: Friends, In my book In Defense of Israel, I approve 2134 02:06:20,399 --> 02:06:22,880 that the Nephileams set up the Pyramids and they did 2135 02:06:22,920 --> 02:06:25,600 it to fuck Israel with a giant Giza death star. 2136 02:06:30,039 --> 02:06:33,560 Speaker 1: Oh that was great. Uh Snagglebe's renewed as membership said, 2137 02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:36,479 have either of you done research on dodger Land? The 2138 02:06:36,600 --> 02:06:40,319 ruins under the north Sea lends credence to the food narrative, 2139 02:06:40,359 --> 02:06:44,119 for sure, I've never heard of the uh. No. 2140 02:06:44,279 --> 02:06:50,239 Speaker 2: In fact, I write, I welcome everyone suggesting these cities 2141 02:06:50,279 --> 02:06:53,600 and things in megalith because what you find is that 2142 02:06:53,840 --> 02:07:00,000 there's infinite of these. There's so many discovered cities and civilizations, 2143 02:07:00,039 --> 02:07:01,880 the megaliths. I can't even keep up with all that. 2144 02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:03,279 I got a stack of books on him, and I 2145 02:07:03,319 --> 02:07:04,720 can't even keep up with them. Dog girl. 2146 02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:10,000 Speaker 1: Interesting, No, I'm not. I am not familiar with this. 2147 02:07:11,479 --> 02:07:15,159 And somebody was saying that the YouTube channel that I 2148 02:07:15,199 --> 02:07:17,199 was mentioning that was on Jay Dyer and talked a 2149 02:07:17,199 --> 02:07:22,319 lot about like the Atlanta's being in the Sahara. I 2150 02:07:22,359 --> 02:07:25,680 believe it's called Bright Insight. It's a useful YouTube channel 2151 02:07:25,800 --> 02:07:28,560 because it really gives you sort of he gets very 2152 02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:31,720 deep into that worldview. So he's a very major proponent 2153 02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:35,680 of Graham Hancock and Raynal Carlson, so he's taking their 2154 02:07:35,720 --> 02:07:38,640 line of thought. But he's kind of always staying on 2155 02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:41,159 top of the latest research and papers that come out, 2156 02:07:41,239 --> 02:07:47,359 so it may be useful for research on streams. And 2157 02:07:47,399 --> 02:07:49,960 then H. Brossey says, if this stuff with the pyramids 2158 02:07:50,039 --> 02:07:53,319 is true, you do realize where the brothers and sistas 2159 02:07:53,439 --> 02:07:56,359 are going with that. Right? Your cube used to be 2160 02:07:56,760 --> 02:07:59,880 his big ass brain to do it. 2161 02:08:00,079 --> 02:08:03,319 Speaker 2: Y'all saw y'all saw my post. Right, I know what 2162 02:08:03,359 --> 02:08:09,399 the energy system was for? Yeah, growing, growing the hydroponics 2163 02:08:09,479 --> 02:08:10,399 up in there, right. 2164 02:08:10,479 --> 02:08:13,000 Speaker 1: That's right. That's how they talked to Anubis. 2165 02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:17,199 Speaker 2: Dank and notton right there. That's what that was for. 2166 02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:25,560 Speaker 1: Next one, Dave throws in two bucks, is has Jay 2167 02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:29,279 heard of or heard about Egyptians in the Grand Canyon. 2168 02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:33,439 Speaker 2: Yes, so there was an a there's an old news 2169 02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:40,239 article clipping that supposedly someone had found reference to or 2170 02:08:41,399 --> 02:08:48,279 a suggestion of Egyptian hieroglyphs in the Grand Canyon. I 2171 02:08:48,319 --> 02:08:52,720 don't know the provenance of that news clipping. One thing, 2172 02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:55,199 I will say, that's pretty fascinating. And I learned this 2173 02:08:55,239 --> 02:08:57,279 from Jamie because we were driving when we're on our 2174 02:08:57,279 --> 02:09:00,439 way to Vegas, we went through this area, want to say, 2175 02:09:00,439 --> 02:09:03,479 around New Mexico or Utah. I don't remember exactly where 2176 02:09:03,680 --> 02:09:07,800 this was, but there's this place where there's a like 2177 02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:12,279 a throne carved into stone out in the desert, and 2178 02:09:12,319 --> 02:09:16,319 it has these Hebrew letters on it. And can you 2179 02:09:16,359 --> 02:09:18,920 guess who faked that? 2180 02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:20,199 Speaker 1: Mormons? 2181 02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:26,079 Speaker 2: Yes, So, I mean, if there's a Grand Canyon thing 2182 02:09:26,199 --> 02:09:28,319 with I mean I might be timpted to think the 2183 02:09:28,359 --> 02:09:31,840 Mormons right stage that because they've done it in other 2184 02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:35,720 places to prove the Mormon story of the right Hebrews 2185 02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:39,399 in Utah or whatever. So, but I mean, then again, 2186 02:09:39,439 --> 02:09:41,840 maybe there is some stuff we just don't know about. 2187 02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. Bill Hicks says, epicxtreme guys, God blessed, 2188 02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:50,399 Thank you very much, Bill Nathan. We was kings back 2189 02:09:50,439 --> 02:09:54,439 in Egypt. We was kings and h BROSSI throws. Another 2190 02:09:54,479 --> 02:09:56,760 one says, just to get a step closer to the 2191 02:09:56,840 --> 02:09:59,720 goal every time you guys stream it's great. I hope 2192 02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:02,479 the asses will remember y'all in the Eschaton for the 2193 02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:06,279 number of catechumens you brought to the faith. Well, God willing. 2194 02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:08,800 And then we just had a couple over on Dono 2195 02:10:08,920 --> 02:10:17,279 chat Chat TBD. Anyone here understand hypotheticals. I think we all. 2196 02:10:17,359 --> 02:10:20,840 I think everybody here understands hypotheticals. H random use. 2197 02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:23,319 Speaker 2: One always ask the Muslims well. 2198 02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:26,359 Speaker 1: And Andrew asked all these girls about whether they ate 2199 02:10:26,359 --> 02:10:31,800 breakfast in the morning, how they feel they didn't need it. No, 2200 02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:34,520 It's it's amazing how people can't, like they do, not 2201 02:10:34,600 --> 02:10:36,600 understand generalities. 2202 02:10:36,119 --> 02:10:40,760 Speaker 2: Right or hypothetical yeah, or even just restting what your 2203 02:10:40,840 --> 02:10:41,439 argument is. 2204 02:10:41,640 --> 02:10:44,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, per capita seems to go over people's heads quite 2205 02:10:44,239 --> 02:10:49,640 a bit. Random user said, could I beat Jay Dyer 2206 02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:54,000 in a live debate, yes, but only under specific conditions. 2207 02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:56,680 Chat GPT real response. 2208 02:10:58,279 --> 02:11:01,159 Speaker 2: I don't think chat GBT and or that great in debates. 2209 02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:03,880 I mean we've been doing some videos experimenting with how 2210 02:11:03,880 --> 02:11:06,000 good they are debating, and they're not that great. So 2211 02:11:06,199 --> 02:11:08,840 I mean I found Rock to be the best because 2212 02:11:08,840 --> 02:11:12,199 he's it's kind of like an easier version of Wikipedia 2213 02:11:12,319 --> 02:11:16,800 that's not as lib as Wikipedia. So you know, if 2214 02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:19,640 you're asking Rock basically questions about you know, oh when 2215 02:11:19,720 --> 02:11:23,960 did you know when was James Angleton, the CIA desk 2216 02:11:24,039 --> 02:11:26,039 chief in Rome, Like he can give you those kinds 2217 02:11:26,039 --> 02:11:30,199 of things, but beyond that, it's not that great. 2218 02:11:31,119 --> 02:11:34,119 Speaker 1: Have you noticed any significant difference between Rock and chat GYBT. 2219 02:11:35,039 --> 02:11:37,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Grock's better. I mean I haven't used 2220 02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:41,159 I haven't used jadgybt in a few months, and it 2221 02:11:41,279 --> 02:11:43,680 was it was pretty weak sauce dude, Like I remember 2222 02:11:43,720 --> 02:11:48,000 asking some questions in it, like cha, the chagy of 2223 02:11:48,079 --> 02:11:50,680 three or four months ago was literally contradicting itself within 2224 02:11:50,720 --> 02:11:54,680 like five minutes on the same question. I'm like, right, 2225 02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:56,479 you just told me this, But I found grow. 2226 02:11:56,640 --> 02:11:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you can get it if you respond, if 2227 02:11:58,720 --> 02:12:00,960 you ask it a question of respond and then you 2228 02:12:01,359 --> 02:12:03,479 are critical of the response, saying, oh, well you miss 2229 02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:06,439 this like you can get it to sort of go 2230 02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:07,600 off into ara. 2231 02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean Grock's the same way, but I 2232 02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:14,159 found it to be a little better. 2233 02:12:14,840 --> 02:12:16,039 Speaker 1: Okay, I got. 2234 02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:19,119 Speaker 2: Him to even admit, like Grock was even like admitting 2235 02:12:19,199 --> 02:12:21,880 stuff about Victor Ostrowski's book, you know what I mean. 2236 02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:23,840 So it was pretty interesting. 2237 02:12:25,479 --> 02:12:31,359 Speaker 1: Judeo Islamic guy says the islam talk here reminded me. 2238 02:12:31,560 --> 02:12:34,600 I've heard it said several times that the modern world 2239 02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:39,600 for religion was invented for British colonialism. Not sure how 2240 02:12:39,640 --> 02:12:46,079 that works. I'm not bigly educated. 2241 02:12:46,520 --> 02:12:49,439 Speaker 2: Well, I mean the modern world is created more or 2242 02:12:49,479 --> 02:12:51,079 less by the British similar, that's true. 2243 02:12:52,560 --> 02:12:55,600 Speaker 1: I don't know nickname. First name says, haven't seen you 2244 02:12:55,680 --> 02:12:57,920 both in a minute. What have you guys been up to. 2245 02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:01,760 I've been trying to finish my dissertation. I'll be turning 2246 02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:04,880 that in next week. So I think I've only streamed 2247 02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:06,319 like once or twice this month. 2248 02:13:06,359 --> 02:13:08,079 Speaker 2: Besides this, I know, yeah, I know, she haven't done 2249 02:13:08,079 --> 02:13:08,560 a whole lot. 2250 02:13:08,600 --> 02:13:11,399 Speaker 1: And uh, just because I've been I've been writing and 2251 02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:14,840 formatting and getting all that stuff done. So Uh, April, 2252 02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:19,800 I'll be back into the normal swing of things. But 2253 02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:23,079 you were just in Uh you were in person in Texas. 2254 02:13:23,079 --> 02:13:24,880 Didn't you just go to Texas? 2255 02:13:25,119 --> 02:13:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were there for a funeral and then I 2256 02:13:27,000 --> 02:13:32,479 went ahead and did uh Lord Voldemort's Show. But also, uh, 2257 02:13:33,479 --> 02:13:35,319 you know, I was finishing us to start Calley with 2258 02:13:35,479 --> 02:13:38,640 three for the last few months. So oh, nice, got 2259 02:13:38,640 --> 02:13:41,640 that complete. It's a I got the rough rough drop 2260 02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:45,239 back from the editor and publisher and yeah, hopefully we'll 2261 02:13:45,279 --> 02:13:47,199 be it'll be out in the next couple of months. 2262 02:13:47,600 --> 02:13:49,680 Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome, man, that's got to feel good. 2263 02:13:50,159 --> 02:13:52,399 Speaker 2: It was a weight off, and it was because I 2264 02:13:52,439 --> 02:13:54,399 had really been writing a lot in the last five years. 2265 02:13:54,399 --> 02:13:58,039 I've been doing so many podcasts and videos that getting 2266 02:13:58,079 --> 02:14:00,560 back in the mode. And I'm sure you're experiencing that 2267 02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:02,479 too with your dissertation. Like it, if you do a 2268 02:14:02,479 --> 02:14:04,800 lot of podcasts and videos then you try to switch 2269 02:14:04,840 --> 02:14:08,159 back into writing, it's like a totally different mindset. 2270 02:14:08,399 --> 02:14:12,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's totally different. Yes it is. And it's that's 2271 02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:15,159 why for me is like I to do that stuff, 2272 02:14:15,239 --> 02:14:17,199 like I just have to be engrossed in it for 2273 02:14:17,279 --> 02:14:20,239 days at a time. I was trying to write and 2274 02:14:20,319 --> 02:14:22,560 like stream a day, or do research your stream and 2275 02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:24,279 then do it and then try to go back to it. 2276 02:14:24,359 --> 02:14:27,159 It's like you can't have so many thoughts go through 2277 02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:29,399 your head because then you lose track of all the 2278 02:14:29,399 --> 02:14:32,039 threads that you're writing about and trying to like weave together. 2279 02:14:32,279 --> 02:14:36,239 It's a totally different thing. And then last one on 2280 02:14:36,920 --> 02:14:40,920 Dono chat outside one says thank you both for the 2281 02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:45,439 great work. Curious how Russia play into utilizing its Islamic 2282 02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:50,600 factions to influence slash warfare and too destabilization efforts. I 2283 02:14:50,720 --> 02:14:55,079 ask as characters like Dugan speak about flooding Europe with Africans, 2284 02:14:55,560 --> 02:15:00,199 I've never heard. Is Dugan just describing what's happening or 2285 02:15:00,239 --> 02:15:03,760 he's I don't think Dugan ever advocates for flooding Europe 2286 02:15:03,840 --> 02:15:05,000 with Africans. 2287 02:15:06,159 --> 02:15:07,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if he said that. I mean, I 2288 02:15:07,720 --> 02:15:11,279 don't I've read Dugan's books. I'm not a regular follower. 2289 02:15:11,319 --> 02:15:13,000 I don't keep up with all the stuff that you know, 2290 02:15:13,079 --> 02:15:15,039 Dugan talks about it. I mean, I think because I 2291 02:15:15,159 --> 02:15:17,960 talked to him eight years ago, people assume that I'm 2292 02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:23,760 just like right, I mean, I'm critical of his he 2293 02:15:23,800 --> 02:15:27,960 has kind of gnostic influences in his positions and perennialist influences, 2294 02:15:27,960 --> 02:15:31,079 and I've never been interested in those positions. So I 2295 02:15:31,079 --> 02:15:33,720 think he's interesting to read, and he's interesting to to, 2296 02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:39,199 you know, hear his views on stuff. But I would 2297 02:15:39,239 --> 02:15:45,000 imagine that the way Russia projects influence and power is 2298 02:15:45,039 --> 02:15:48,960 not the same type of ways that the West does 2299 02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:55,079 it with total open borders. Maybe they, I mean, if 2300 02:15:55,079 --> 02:15:57,439 you look up active measures, that's kind of been their 2301 02:15:58,359 --> 02:16:00,920 approach to this stuff. If he listen to Mark Hackard 2302 02:16:00,920 --> 02:16:03,880 and the interviews that we've done, you know, Russia is 2303 02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:08,039 limited in its capabilities of what it does in foreign 2304 02:16:08,159 --> 02:16:12,000 espionage operations. I mean, they have illegals, they have units 2305 02:16:12,039 --> 02:16:15,079 and spies that do things like every other country. But 2306 02:16:15,159 --> 02:16:18,479 I don't think they have the kind of capabilities of 2307 02:16:19,319 --> 02:16:23,079 what the democratic establishment in America claims that they have, 2308 02:16:23,359 --> 02:16:26,720 right like the Democrats or they're running everything. They've got 2309 02:16:26,720 --> 02:16:29,760 Trump and they've got you know, Elon Musk in their 2310 02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:32,000 pocket and they're all you know what I mean, it's 2311 02:16:32,440 --> 02:16:35,079 just these outlandish claims. At the same time as the 2312 02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:38,840 same democratic media is like Russia's collapsing, They're losing the war, 2313 02:16:38,959 --> 02:16:41,920 they're bankrupt, but at the same time they're like running 2314 02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:43,920 Donald Trump. Like none of it makes any sense. So, 2315 02:16:44,799 --> 02:16:46,840 I mean, I don't know if they have any plans 2316 02:16:46,840 --> 02:16:50,479 of pushing open borders, but it's I guess it's possible, 2317 02:16:50,520 --> 02:16:51,079 but I don't know. 2318 02:16:51,959 --> 02:16:55,079 Speaker 1: It seems like Russia would be a natural nationalist ally 2319 02:16:55,639 --> 02:16:59,319 if if the sort of globalist world, or if Trump 2320 02:16:59,479 --> 02:17:01,760 truly was getting out of NATO and getting out of 2321 02:17:02,920 --> 02:17:07,559 the enterprise of empire building. You know, I saw that, 2322 02:17:08,200 --> 02:17:10,399 at least according to reports, they had that two and 2323 02:17:10,440 --> 02:17:13,079 a half hour conversation that they wanted to establish direct 2324 02:17:13,079 --> 02:17:18,200 flights between New York and Moscow again and open up tourism. 2325 02:17:18,239 --> 02:17:20,920 I think that'd be that'd be great if they could 2326 02:17:20,920 --> 02:17:22,760 get that get that done. 2327 02:17:23,399 --> 02:17:26,200 Speaker 2: By the way, when I mentioned active measures, I'm not 2328 02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:32,440 referring to the documentary that is supposed to prove that 2329 02:17:32,559 --> 02:17:35,719 Donald Trump is a Russian agent. I'm referring to the 2330 02:17:35,799 --> 02:17:42,360 actual plan from like how how Russia views its intelligence 2331 02:17:42,399 --> 02:17:46,479 capabilities that they call active measures, which is it ranges 2332 02:17:46,520 --> 02:17:51,079 from media to specific actions of black ops, this kind 2333 02:17:51,079 --> 02:17:55,959 of stuff. And then like because of that term, you 2334 02:17:56,079 --> 02:17:59,399 had people latch onto that term and say, oh, we'll 2335 02:17:59,399 --> 02:18:03,479 see that means putince involved in compromising Donald Trump and 2336 02:18:03,520 --> 02:18:06,280 making him an operative. But it goes back to Soviet 2337 02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:08,559 intelligence as to one of their plans of how they 2338 02:18:08,600 --> 02:18:13,239 engage in subversion. But one of the things that was 2339 02:18:13,319 --> 02:18:17,639 mentioned maybe ten twelve years ago was that because Russia 2340 02:18:17,719 --> 02:18:22,920 is not as powerful as the West, they don't have 2341 02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:25,719 the ability to engage in all the same types of 2342 02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:30,920 operations that NATO and the West have. So one of 2343 02:18:30,959 --> 02:18:38,600 their strategies has been to push more truth based narratives. 2344 02:18:38,680 --> 02:18:41,239 And that's why you'll see a lot more of artsa 2345 02:18:41,360 --> 02:18:45,760 RT for example. I mean, they're more banned and censored 2346 02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:47,799 in the West since the war. But prior to that, 2347 02:18:48,120 --> 02:18:50,079 you noticed that Art was pushing a lot of the 2348 02:18:50,120 --> 02:18:53,760 same stuff that Lord Goldemart pushed, right, And that's because 2349 02:18:54,159 --> 02:18:56,719 the idea was that it's more effective to just go 2350 02:18:56,799 --> 02:19:03,200 after truth based narratives in terms of journalism versus the 2351 02:19:03,239 --> 02:19:08,840 way that America runs its international disinformation networks and campaigns, 2352 02:19:08,840 --> 02:19:11,559 which requires a lot of lying, a lot of money, 2353 02:19:11,639 --> 02:19:16,559 a lot of you know, international writers, ap like all 2354 02:19:16,559 --> 02:19:20,760 this stuff which turns out junk. That takes a lot 2355 02:19:20,760 --> 02:19:23,639 more money and power and effort to run a giant 2356 02:19:24,079 --> 02:19:28,000 network of this info. And so Russia's vantage point was 2357 02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:33,000 that it's more effective to run truth based narratives versus 2358 02:19:33,159 --> 02:19:34,959 massive disinfo like the West. 2359 02:19:34,799 --> 02:19:37,879 Speaker 1: Does right well, and to your point, I think I 2360 02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:40,280 saw a clip of Tucker Carlson recently interviewed like Rick 2361 02:19:40,319 --> 02:19:43,879 Sanchez or somebody used to be on Fox News or something. 2362 02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:47,840 Now he had like a he's Cuban conservative guy American, 2363 02:19:48,399 --> 02:19:50,440 but he has a show on RT, and he was 2364 02:19:50,479 --> 02:19:55,319 talking about how they don't censor anything that he wants 2365 02:19:55,399 --> 02:19:58,639 to talk about, and that RT he said he was 2366 02:19:58,680 --> 02:20:00,760 surprised once he joined his own show. I think Larry 2367 02:20:00,840 --> 02:20:06,040 King's on ART still that like they are huge. ART 2368 02:20:06,239 --> 02:20:08,799 is huge in places like India and like other parts 2369 02:20:08,840 --> 02:20:12,600 of the world, Central and South America. RT is ginormous, 2370 02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:15,440 and so he was talking about how it's if your 2371 02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:17,879 message is to get globally. Meanwhile, it's banned here in 2372 02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:20,200 the United States, but he was talking about how they, 2373 02:20:20,399 --> 02:20:22,559 like it's the only media company he's worked for that 2374 02:20:22,639 --> 02:20:25,360 does not curate your show or your message. And gets 2375 02:20:25,360 --> 02:20:28,239 back to your point, is like they allow people to 2376 02:20:28,319 --> 02:20:32,719 have dissident information that's truthful and and it's built up 2377 02:20:32,719 --> 02:20:36,520 a credibility in which that art is trusted and incredibly 2378 02:20:36,559 --> 02:20:38,399 popular in different parts of the world. 2379 02:20:38,520 --> 02:20:42,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a better strategy from their advantage point 2380 02:20:42,680 --> 02:20:46,920 if you're a smaller player versus a larger Western player. 2381 02:20:47,159 --> 02:20:51,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, makes total sense. H ROSSI threw in another one 2382 02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:53,799 that have y'all seen the Sneako video with that chic 2383 02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:56,920 He's watch it. If not, you see firsthand why they 2384 02:20:56,920 --> 02:20:59,000 have no arguments that don't understand ours. Yeah, we mentioned 2385 02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:02,479 that earlier out apparently Sneak who had no idea he 2386 02:21:02,520 --> 02:21:05,840 had to believe in the Hadith. Awesome. 2387 02:21:06,120 --> 02:21:08,479 Speaker 2: It's weird because people have been bringing up for a 2388 02:21:08,479 --> 02:21:13,079 good while now, like you know, you know you're ISLAMI 2389 02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:17,360 beliefs are more than just the Quran, right, I mean 2390 02:21:17,719 --> 02:21:18,479 it's people. 2391 02:21:18,559 --> 02:21:21,440 Speaker 1: Would criticized if I remember right, like during life troops, 2392 02:21:21,440 --> 02:21:24,079 because he would be openly critical of things in the Hadith, 2393 02:21:24,479 --> 02:21:26,879 and then Muslims that follow him and would say you 2394 02:21:26,879 --> 02:21:29,360 can He'd like, no, no, no, I don't question the Quran. 2395 02:21:29,879 --> 02:21:31,959 It's just the hot eth you think you don't, you know, 2396 02:21:31,959 --> 02:21:34,239 he'd give an example. You think that's that's real, you 2397 02:21:34,239 --> 02:21:37,840 think that's factual. And then he talked with the She's like, 2398 02:21:37,879 --> 02:21:39,559 who are you to who are you to judge? 2399 02:21:40,479 --> 02:21:41,959 Speaker 2: Well, this is what you get. This is what these 2400 02:21:41,959 --> 02:21:43,719 idiots are going to find out the hard way. Like, 2401 02:21:45,879 --> 02:21:48,000 maybe you should have done a little more investigating and 2402 02:21:48,079 --> 02:21:51,319 heart out some you know, some of the opponent's positions 2403 02:21:51,360 --> 02:21:53,159 before you jumped into this dumb cult. 2404 02:21:56,559 --> 02:22:02,159 Speaker 1: So last super check at is H. Brossey Again, thank 2405 02:22:02,200 --> 02:22:04,040 you so much brother for the general support today. Say, 2406 02:22:04,040 --> 02:22:07,000 I've come to the conclusion that the tiny hats make 2407 02:22:07,079 --> 02:22:12,639 the right decision by not prostlytizing. They can't get past 2408 02:22:12,760 --> 02:22:15,360 the theophanes of the in the Old Testament and might 2409 02:22:15,399 --> 02:22:18,360 suffer the same online embarrassment as the muzzies. 2410 02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:22,120 Speaker 2: All right, I mean I don't. I don't think the 2411 02:22:22,879 --> 02:22:27,239 you know, rabbinic philosophy and take in and believers are 2412 02:22:27,319 --> 02:22:30,280 very interested in debating. They don't. Every now and then 2413 02:22:30,280 --> 02:22:31,920 there's one who will, but it's very rare. But I 2414 02:22:31,959 --> 02:22:38,079 thought that Sam Schuman's recent debate with that young Orthodox 2415 02:22:38,159 --> 02:22:40,799 British Jewish guy was pretty good debate. And the whole 2416 02:22:40,799 --> 02:22:43,120 debate ended up being about all these theophanies. 2417 02:22:43,399 --> 02:22:51,520 Speaker 1: So right, and then Flannams throws in five says, always 2418 02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:53,920 enjoy when DPH and J do streams together. Well, thank 2419 02:22:53,959 --> 02:22:56,559 you very much, brother, and Jay, I know that you 2420 02:22:56,639 --> 02:22:58,319 got to go do his stream apologize. 2421 02:22:58,360 --> 02:22:59,799 Speaker 2: I moved back a little bit, so I got to 2422 02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:02,120 eat dinner and then we'll help scream after rit dinner. 2423 02:23:02,159 --> 02:23:03,239 But yeah, thank you for having me. It was a 2424 02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:05,319 great conversation. I was glad to stay long. 2425 02:23:05,879 --> 02:23:09,360 Speaker 1: No. I I appreciate it because the overview you did 2426 02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:13,600 on that fourth hour on InfoWars, that was the best cover, 2427 02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:15,760 and you did it so can you only had because 2428 02:23:15,799 --> 02:23:19,959 the breaks you only have like thirty forty minutes, and 2429 02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:23,879 you hit on all these points about why Islam is dangerous, 2430 02:23:23,879 --> 02:23:27,079 how it's been used as a subverting force, and why 2431 02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:30,600 it's coming to take over in a militaristic way a 2432 02:23:30,600 --> 02:23:32,319 Western Europe and they're not gonna be able to stop 2433 02:23:32,360 --> 02:23:33,319 it unless they wake up. 2434 02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:34,879 Speaker 2: So thank you. 2435 02:23:35,319 --> 02:23:38,879 Speaker 1: And then to Ortho Orthodox Boom or Grandma just threw 2436 02:23:38,920 --> 02:23:41,280 in twenty said thank you guys, thank you, and then H. 2437 02:23:41,360 --> 02:23:43,920 Brossey said it's only right that I get past the line. Well, 2438 02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:47,040 thank you very much, H Brosey. So anyways, guys, that's 2439 02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:49,479 gonna do it. Jay's gonna be live here after eats dinner, 2440 02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:53,200 So go over to Jay's channel and we'll be watching 2441 02:23:53,239 --> 02:23:55,040 him talk a little bit about the latest on the 2442 02:23:55,079 --> 02:23:58,799 Geeza Pyramids. So God bless you guys, and I will 2443 02:23:58,799 --> 02:24:01,079 see you in the next one as always, until then, 2444 02:24:01,479 --> 02:24:02,079 God bless