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your support. So, whilst watching the Charlotte City Council meeting
that was held last night, it was a public forum.
They do this once a month. Everybody gets to come down,
You get two minutes to speak and you people seek
redress and then go largely ignored by the elected leaders.
And this is a time honored tradition. So there were
people that came down about the animal care control facility
right the they need more space for dogs and stuff.
And they've been they've been regulars. They've been coming down
there for years trying to get the city council to
expand shelter space, which I support. By the way, you
had the airport workers. They came down there right making
an argument that somehow another the city should dictate federal
aviation policy or something on pay. And then there was
a woman who came down. Her name is Jala Gittons,
and a supporter of hers as well named Amanda O'Hara.
And I remember hearing about this story when it first occurred.
It's been two months. But Jala Giddons had her car
stolen and in the car was her dog. And it's
been two months, and here's the story she told the
Charlotte City Council last night.
Speaker 2: Our next speakers are Jayla Gittens and Amanda O'Hara.
Speaker 1: Alright, she's walking to the podium now.
Speaker 2: Hello, good evening. My name is Jayla Gittens. I'm a
Charlotte resident of ten over ten years, and I'm coming
to talk to you today about a crime that has
left me heartbroken and frustrated with a system that seems
to protect perpetrators more than the people they hurt. On
April six, my car was stolen along with my six
year old dog, Julio, while I was moving out of
my apartment. If you're an animal lover, I'm sure you
understand just how much my dog means to me. They
truly are a member of the family. Five days After
the initial crime, my car was found damaged with my
items missing, and my dog, Jolio, has not been seen.
Speaker 3: Since the heartbreak up.
Speaker 2: Losing him is something that I really do carry every day.
But what has made the situation even worse is what
I've observed about our juvenile justice system since the theft.
I've received messages and calls from the juveniles responsible, as
well as their adult family members, threatening me, taunting me,
even trying to extort me for my dog. This isn't
just a petty crime. This is cruel, deliberate, and calculated
behavior Psychologically. Most of the kids involved were sent home
with no real consequences from parents or the law, and
no accountability. I was disappointed to find out how few
rights victims have when miners are involved. I couldn't get
a police report to prove to my job why I
missed work. I wasn't allowed to know the names of
the juveniles or even their parents. In the situation, I
felt like I was left in the dark while the
kids who stole from me and threatened me went back
to school like nothing ever happened. Some of these kids
are repeat offenders, and these crimes aren't isolated incidents. These
are patterns that the system is allowing to continue. If
there are no consequences, why wouldn't they keep doing it.
Speaker 3: That's the reality.
Speaker 2: We're living in a juvenile justice system that sends kids
back into the same environments with no accountability for them
or their guardians. A system that teaches young offenders that
they can steal, lie and threaten without any real repercussions.
I'm here tonight because that has to change. We need
stronger protections for victims. We need real consequences for juvenile offenders,
especially repeat offenders.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Veron, Thank you so much. Misgittens, miskittens, mis gittens.
Speaker 2: See this young man walking down that way, his name
is Sean He and if you would have an opportunity
to talk with him a little bit more about this,
this would be very helpful. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Part of the problem here is state law, right, remember
the big push to not hold juveniles to the same
punishment standards as adults, because that's not fair. They're just children.
And we got legislation just this session up in Raleigh
that Democrats opposed to add more crimes into the bucket
where das can prosecute as adults. But those decisions are
discretionary for the das and the judges. So, first off,
as a person who has moved in and out of
apartments many, many, many times in my life, it is
a very unsecure way to move. And if you've never
moved in and out of an apartment, particularly an apartment
that is like a high rise apartment, like you go
up in an elevator, Basically you got to move everything
in an elevator and.
Speaker 4: What like.
Speaker 1: We hired some you know, movers to help us, and
they just pile everything in the lobby, or they pile
everything by the elevator door, and then they just move everything.
You know, you got one person moving stuff out of
the root, out of the apartment unit to the elevator
and they're just doing that, and then you got somebody
else in the elevator riding it up and down and
bringing it to the truck. And when we had stuff
stolen in one of our moves, it wasn't a car,
but somebody made off with a box and it took
years for us to figure out all of the contents
of the box. By figuring out, hey, whatever happened to
our wedding valves that we had in our frame. Yeah,
it's missing, along with a frying pan, the big one
like that. They were in one box together. Don't look no,
don't Christy packed that box. Okay, I am very specific
when I pack boxes. Everything goes in the same kind
of thing anyway, But we figured out that somebody had
stolen one of the boxes, either at the elevator or
on the truck, right when you load everything into the
truck and stuff is sitting around the truck and unless
after that we learned we posted people at the truck.
Somebody stayed at the truck the whole time, someone stayed
at the elevator the whole time, and someone stayed up
at the apartment the whole time. And so if you
don't have that kind of you know, uh, that kind
of operation going, it is very easy to steal from
people when they're moving in and out of apartments. So
I completely understand what she's talking about here. She puts
stuff in her car, right, she was loading up her car,
put her dog in there, and some punks stole her
car with the dog in it. And that's one thing.
It's called grand theft auto. I was under the impression
that that was a serious crime, right, that's a serious offense,
but apparently not if you're a fifteen year old punk
and then you steal the woman's dog and then you
engage in a syop against her, threatening her, extorting her,
mocking her. I mean, God only knows what they may
do to her dog. How is this? How is this possible?
Like to me, this is a very easy thing to
go investigate if you are CMPD No, Like, you know
who the people are. You know they have my dog,
Go get my dog. How do you not go get
the dog and then charge the person for stealing the dog?
You already charged them for stealing the car. You know
who they are. Let me uh, let me go over
here to Brian real quick. Hello Brian, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Hi Pete, thanks you taking my call. Yeah sure, I
feel like my comments don't match your what you just
said about Christy and her dog. But here's my comments.
Listening to you talk about the city council.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's all in the same ball of poop.
Speaker 4: All right, here's my observations. Number one, when I listened
to the council talk, my sense is they're not very competent.
Speaker 1: Number two, No, number two.
Speaker 4: Number two, there's no accountability. Number three, what do they
actually do? So I went online and I try to
figure out what their salaries were, and roughly I've come
up with the mayor's salary and the city council member
salary is roughly around five hundred thousand dollars a year,
and that includes benefits.
Speaker 1: That's all that.
Speaker 4: They sound like a fair number, not per person, no,
no aggregate though, right right, I think they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're each paid like fifty k.
Speaker 4: So according to the article I read online, which might
not be accurate, sixty thousand for the mayor, okay, and
that includes benefits and salary, right, and then fifty two
thousand that includes benefits and salary for the council members,
which roughly is just shy of five hundred thousand a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that's I think that's accurate
because if I recall correctly, when the activist Braxton Winston
ran for council, that was a big push of his
was to was to get paid. He wanted Yeah, he
wanted a full time salary for the for the.
Speaker 4: Job, okay. And so every year or every two year,
every year they want more money. What did they do
where's the account billing?
Speaker 1: Hello, Brian, I just played, Brian, I just played sound
bites of what they do. You like, that's what they do.
Speaker 4: That's it. Do anything.
Speaker 1: No, they have meetings and they take votes on stuff,
and they hold their town hall. Oh, by the way,
Tijuana Brown is hosting a town hall tonight. Maybe you
could go down and ask her what she does, I
mean besides the fraud and all.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you will you provide the bail money?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, No, I work in radio, not city government,
so that's not gonna happen. All right, Brian, good to
hear from you. Allright, buddy, take it easy. Yeah, Look,
I know it is a lot of work. It is.
They go to a lot of meetings, they talk to
a lot of people. They have to do a lot
of reading of the material before the meetings. I'm not
saying they do that they're supposed to. Sometimes you can
tell who hasn't done their homework by the questions that
they ask. And I've talked about this before, but part
of the problem is it is a staff driven model, right,
Because we are a council manager form of government. The
council relies on the manager and the manager's staff to
act as the quote professionals, and that puts you as
a council member. It puts you sort of at the
mercy of the manager, even though you are the one
that hired them, because if they don't help you do
your job, especially the newbies when they come in, you
will know what you're doing. You get frozen out, you
cross people's paths or something, and you know they or
you cross them, and they don't like you, they don't
help you. If they do like you, they do help you.
That's politics, man, politics, all right. If you're listening to
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going to play the clip from another speaker who came
to back up her friend, Miss Gittens. Juvenile crime has
been a problem for years, right, and it seems like
there is virtually no political will to address the situation.
There's some up in Raleigh to dial back some of
these quote reforms that everybody got guilt tripped into after
Saint George Floyd died up in Minneapolis. But the reforms
are not working okay, In fact, they've made things worse.
Now you have juvenile that are employed in the service
of gang's organized crime, or just like an older friend
who knows that if I have you steal the cars,
then nothing will happen to you. So you steal the
car and bring it to me and I'll take care
of it. And that this way, I don't get the
big charges you do, and then they throw them out
or and your record's expunged and everything else. You've created
a whole new set of problems. Trade offs people, right,
there are no solutions. There are only trade offs, as
Thomas Soule said, So here's the deal. Apparently, juvenile crime
can get so bad and nobody will care as long
as they are either murdering each other or they are
stealing cars. But you steal a dog, and now you're
in trouble. Now, See this moves people. This will move
people that you stole my car with my dog and
now you're holding it for ransom and you're taunting. You're
taunting me, you're trying to extort me. And for some reason,
law enforcement doesn't care. Law enforcement owns dogs, they're on
the payroll. You would think they would care. Anyway. Let
me go over to Dane. Hello, Dane, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Hey Pete, how are you doing.
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 1: I'm good. What's going on?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 5: Being in previous law enforcement, I've called your show many times.
I was just want to reiterate what you just said
about juveniles being employed by gangs. I worked just outside
of Charlotte for almost twenty years, and that's what we
found was older people recruiting fifteen, fourteen, thirteen year olds
to steal cars and breaking the stores or feel more cars,
get guns, And that's where it precipitates from. They're getting
told what to do. And as a law enforcement officer,
we arrest these juveniles and they're out within twenty four
hours because there is no you know, if it's not
a violent crime, they're not going to hold them in
ps in the juvenile system. Yeah, and I agree with
everything you just said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they turn them back over to parents that
obviously don't give a flying rip about what they're behaving,
what they're engaged in, the behavior they're engaged.
Speaker 5: In one I mean, and that's what it is. It's
the parents are not taking they're not taking it seriously
because they're like they well, you know and when they're eighteen,
well they'll get expunged and they don't have to worry
about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, they're making money.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's easy for a twenty five year old man
to recruit a fifteen year old go seal car, break
into a liquor store or a gun store, steal whatever
they want. They don't get the charges. Yeah, they know
that the juvenile is going to go for twenty four
hours and then go back with the parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then be right back out. They like this
woman said, within twenty four hours. They were back out
less than twenty four hours, and they went to school
the next day, and then they're sending text messages. I
don't know how they got our information, but I guess,
you know, probably in the neighborhood they see the flyers
or something, or I don't know, maybe the police report.
Because the police report lists her name as the victim,
but not their names because they're juveniles.
Speaker 5: Juve, it gets redacted. It's all blacked out. I mean,
her name will be on the report and it's public information,
so yeah, they can get her information, but obviously if
you're under the age, it's going to be redacting, blacked out. Yeah,
and it's frustrating. As a law enforcement officer, it was very,
very frustrating because you spend hours and hours and hours
working a case and building a case against the juvenile
just to have it thrown back in your face and
say no, we're not going to we're not going to
prosecute because he's fifteen.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, It's just it's nuts. The whole thing is nuts.
Speaker 5: And from a law enforcement perspective, the officer's care, they
solved the crime for the victim, are doing their best.
That's what they do.
Speaker 1: What's your read on why they wouldn't have gone? Why
they wouldn't have gone? They know who has the dog, obviously,
so why don't they go and get the dog?
Speaker 5: Can you prove they have the dog?
Speaker 1: They stole the car, they were charged with stealing the car.
Speaker 5: I understand them.
Speaker 1: And they got all the text messages taunting the woman,
extorting her, trying to get money for the dog and
all of this.
Speaker 5: You have to have established a serious probable cause to
get a search want to go get into somebody's house to.
Speaker 4: Find a dog.
Speaker 5: And I'm not disagreeing with you, and I understand you
have text messages, you have the stolen car that was recovered.
Hopefully they did a forensic on the car, got fingerprints
and all that. You have to build the case before
you can just rush in. And I know that sounds silly,
but you have to be very meticulous about how you
do it because if you do it wrong and then
the officers have fault in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Dane, I appreciate the call, buddy. Good
to hear from you.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, right, good talk you, thank you too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. I just two months seems like
a long time. And if they've got all the text
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from Melissa. It's a pete tweet quote unquote. Underage crime
run by gangs or syndicates. It's another business opportunity for criminals,
proving once again that capitalism works. If law enforcement dug deeper,
it's likely these gangs have a hierarchy and rico charges
would be in order. Racketeering. Yeah, that's possible. But again,
you you have to have a DA that wants to
prosecute this stuff, and you have to have judges that
will hand and down harsh sentences. These are all choices.
These are all choices that voters make to put people
into office on these quote unquote reform platforms that basically
say you can get away with crime, and that is
how you kill a city, That's how you kill a society.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: The criminals do not allow the law abiding people to
carry about their daily business. And when you do not
have that element in your society, then all you will
have is the criminal element. Because people who are law
abiding and choose to continue to you know, not harm
other people, not take their stuff, they will leave people
who were otherwise law abiding. But now see that, Hey,
this opportunity exists for me to just hurt other people
and take their stuff, and I can make more money
doing that without any kind of ramifications to myself, Well
I'm gonna do that, which then creates a greater preference
cascade in that city or in that society. You know,
Charlotte is on a pathway here to a not good place,
and it's not going to get off the path unless
the people who are in the leadership positions do something different.
You have to change course because the thing that you
were sold and you sold to us is not working.
It is not working. Let me play this second clip.
This is from Hang On, Hang On Amanda O'Hara. She
is a supporter of the woman Jayla Geittons, who had
her dog stolen and then has been some for the
last two months as the punks threaten her, the punk's
family members threaten her, taunt her, send her messages because again,
her information is public because she's an adult, but theirs
is all blacked out, redacted on the police reports. She
can't get information, she can't get stuff about them because
they're kids. Yeah, they're criminals, is what they are. Thank you,
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Okay, good evening. My name is Amanda O'Hara. Nearly two months.
That is how long Jayla has been living this nightmare,
and how long Julio has been missing since he was
stolen in a brazen crime by a juvenile in our city.
The crimes committed should not go unchecked. We are not
talking about just the stolen car. We were talking about
stolen dog, stolen car, an extortion. Today it's a dog,
Tomorrow it could be a kid. We are here tonight
for answers, accountability and justice. Reports show that just last year,
sixty one percent of juveniles arrested in Charlotte will repeat offenders.
Many cases that go to the District Attorney's Office involving
juveniles will not even see a courtroom. This is not working.
We are here tonight to ask that we get some
sort of justice and accountability. CMPD is doing the work
arresting the teens. How are the judges and DA's office
continue to put the community at risk by not taking
crime seriously? As many of you know, we have email
City Council, the DA's office, CMPD, Chief Jennings, Captain Brian Crumb,
the principal of North Mech High School, among others. The
city council members present tonight not and clude not, including
newly sworn in City Councilman Peacock the only one to
respond with City Councilwoman Renee Johnson. Miners are not above
the law because of their age. Where is Julio? The
community has poured in tips, conducted their own community patrols,
and place flyers in various areas. When I asked CMPD
if they would hold a press conference to spread the
word about Julio, why was I told no. We demand
justice for Julio and for Jala. I asked represent Johnson
of District four where the crime occurred, Mayor Lyles and
City Manager Jones to request from CMPD a daily log
or report of progress made in Julio's case, to ensure
that this is not being pushed to the wayside, and
to guarantee justice and accountability get served. We will not
stop until Julio comes home, all right.
Speaker 1: So there was the second speaker on this topic. There
was one thing that she mentioned there, the stats, and
it's in this story over at WBTV. She said, reports
show that just last year, sixty one percent of juveniles
arrested in Charlotte were repeat offenders. Oh, this has always
been the case, people, This has always been the case.
A small percentage account for a large number of crimes.
And so, just as Sheriff Gary not my fault, McFadden
doesn't believe that you can deport in order to solve
the illegal immigration process. It appears that I guess the
DA's office and a bunch of judges don't believe that
incarceration can solve the crime wave committed by a handful
of people. The numbers are supported by the city's own data.
According to WBTV, there were almost seventeen hundred juvenile arrests
last year. Seventeen hundred. I'm trying to do the math
on that, and that's like what five or six a day,
And of the seventeen hundred, over a thousand were repeat offenders.
This is a choice. This is a choice. And if
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go over and chat with Gigi. Welcome to the show, Gigi,
how are you hey?
Speaker 6: Pete A couple of things very quickly. As the mom
to two dogs, I'm sick that they've had her dog
in godness, what they're doing to her to the dog.
And I was wondering because I didn't hear the whole
story I was driving. Did she specify how much they're
trying to extort her for to get the dog back?
Speaker 1: No, she didn't say what they've demanded of her, but
she has offered one thousand dollars rewards, So I would
guess it's more than that.
Speaker 6: Because I either gofund me or if I could, I
would take the money out of my savings and try
to help her get that dog back, because that just
I mean, I'd end up in jail for what I
would do to them to get my dog back. But
that's aside from the point. Is there any way to
find out how I mean, any way to contact her
or the other woman who spoke for her to see
if we can help her just raise the money to
get her dog back.
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I don't know. I mean I know,
I mean I gave her name. It was Jayala Gitton's
Jay and the dog's name is Julio. So there's obviously
a big effort online underway to try to find Julio.
I think it's where's Julio? He's not down at the schoolyard,
I can tell you, But yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Know, I'll I'll search for that, thank you. The other
thing in the category of how much are they getting
paid and what the hell do they do for it?
Am I remembering correctly? Because this is an article from
a couple of years ago, and I thought I could
never go to the city council meeting to talk about this,
because again, I'd be dragged out of the meeting. Does
the city manager really make five hundred thousand dollars? And
if he does, what the hell does he do for that?
I don't even know the guy's name, and I think.
Speaker 1: Marcus as Yeah, Marcus Jones is the manager's name. Trying
to I don't know what his salary is, but it
would not surprise me if all of the top three posts,
the county manager, city manager, and the superintendent probably all
make about that.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's more than the President of the United States.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, when we're talking about the superintendent for CMS,
he's he's educating the children of the future, you know. So,
I mean, can you really put a price on that, Gigi, really?
Speaker 6: You know, after the guy, after the guy that they
brought in a couple of years ago. We're from like
Virginia who then hired his wife and Hi, I mean,
it's just I don't even know what to say about
Charlotte's And just in the twelve years I've been here,
the change has been so dramatic, shocking, alarming. Yeah, it's
hard to even wrap my brain around the other thing
I was thinking about, because you said this is really
an issue about the youth offenders, a state issue. I'm
embarrassed to say, I don't even know who the heck
are represented aves are, but really, why shouldn't they be
dragged into this conversation as well, because if they're our representatives,
shouldn't they be representing us in Raleigh about this issue?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well they've they're running legislation and I don't know where
you live, so I don't know what district you're in,
but chances are you're being represented in Raleigh by Democrats
and so they have no power or voice. But if
they were to try to open up more of the
offenses from protected staff as a juvenile to let das
charge as adults, the problem is that the decisions are
still up to the das on whether to bring the charges,
whether to plead the mout. It's up to the judges,
and we don't know. I don't know what the judge is.
Somebody asked me in an email who the judge is
in this case, and I wish you would have said that,
because that judge needs to be called out too. But
we ye, and this is part of the problem is
that you have the different levels. You know, you have
state legislators making the laws. They did their you know reforms,
quote unquote. They have since clawed back some of the
more serious offenses in order to combat this juvenile crime wave.
And it's not enough and they have to do more.
And I will say though, that they ran the bill,
and they ran a bill, and we covered it a
couple of weeks ago, and it did pass in the
in one of the chambers I think it was the House,
and it went over to the Senate. So there are
some efforts underway at the state level. I don't know
if it's enough. I think they need to go. I
think they need to do more and go.
Speaker 6: Harsher is mister Merriweather still the district attorney.
Speaker 1: He is, So why, like I.
Speaker 6: Mean, and again, why can't we use the tactics of
the left and go protests outside his office?
Speaker 1: You could? You could absolutely do that, absolutely, And you
got a great poster dog for the effort, because this
dog is adorable. It's a little French bulldog. Oh my god, Yeah,
it's adorable. So yeah, and so it checks boxes and
it's like, got you got a branding campaign ready to
go Giji. It's a good idea. Let me know if
you organize it. I appreciate the call, Thank you so much.
And yes, Marcus Jones made four hundred and eighty thousand
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