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Speaker 2: Only six and a half minutes late on August thirty,
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Speaker 2: of you catch the podcast, I'm hoping for live listenership
Speaker 2: tonight because on Fridays, and I put out a little
Speaker 2: notice again on Fridays we take your calls. You guys
Speaker 2: get to tell us what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2: Cuz it's you. It's your prerogative. Whatever it is you
Speaker 2: want to bring up, you can do that. Now. Somebody
Speaker 2: came into the chat room and was rather hateful a
Speaker 2: little earlier, and I bobbed them out of their removed
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Speaker 2: abuse is not necessary. And it's our old friend of
Speaker 2: meir who hates me and wants me to die. So
Speaker 2: you know, that's uh nuff said, I think, uh. And
Speaker 2: then when you start dropping you know, die fing n
Speaker 2: words and all that into my chat room, I got
Speaker 2: to delete it. You know what, what can I say?
Speaker 2: The guy hates me, he feels disgruntled, and I think
Speaker 2: you ought to go after the people that you know
Speaker 2: hate him, and all the people in Ukraine and the
Speaker 2: people that are pro Russian and say that all those
Speaker 2: people deserve this crap and all that. But you know what,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna get bogged down and that tonight we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about whatever it is you want to talk about.
Speaker 2: Join us three one nine five two seven five zero
Speaker 2: one six. I'm not even in the mood for politics.
Speaker 2: I got a couple of news stories that I already
Speaker 2: dropped in the chat room little naked news. Don't spoil
Speaker 2: it for yourself and read them. But we already put
Speaker 2: him in the chat so B Pete and I could
Speaker 2: share them, and uh, do you have that one news
Speaker 2: story at least in front of you? BP? Can you
Speaker 2: read any of that? Or or am I doing all
Speaker 2: the reading tonight?
Speaker 3: Which one? I've got a couple here?
Speaker 2: Well any of them? I mean, do you have you
Speaker 2: have a couple of stories you can read from? Or
Speaker 2: should I do?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's what we're gonna do and again hopefully
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Speaker 2: co host b Pete, So let's check in with you
Speaker 2: before we get right to the callers. And then right
Speaker 2: after that's some news. B Pete. What's on your mind
Speaker 2: this week? How you doing?
Speaker 4: I'm doing good. It's been a very very busy week.
Speaker 4: We just had a bunch of thunder forms roll through
Speaker 4: maybe forty five minutes ago, so luckily that and.
Speaker 3: Knock anything out. But other than that, we got.
Speaker 4: Back into summertime nine to nine, one hundred degree weather,
Speaker 4: so it's supposed to pull off after this front goes through,
Speaker 4: and I'm looking forward to it. Other than that, just
Speaker 4: staying busy as hell at work, I mean outrageous and busy.
Speaker 2: Hot in the Southeast. Oh. By the way, you know
Speaker 2: somebody did ask me a question about you on Facebook
Speaker 2: this week, and I'll get to that momentarily, because you
Speaker 2: were brought up in conversations and some questions are being
Speaker 2: asked about you a couple of different things, but we'll
Speaker 2: get into that later. By the way, Also, nobody from
Speaker 2: the Jimmy James Fan Club is responding to my messages,
Speaker 2: so I don't know what the deal is there. I
Speaker 2: tried to reach out to them, because remember you asked
Speaker 2: me a couple of weeks ago if there was any
Speaker 2: word from them. No word from the jim James Fan Club,
Speaker 2: although I hear from Jimmy, not just on the calls,
Speaker 2: but I hear from Jimmy all the time. Matter of fact,
Speaker 2: this week, I want to say thanks to Jimmy and
Speaker 2: Creative Accidents both for kicking into the well being of
Speaker 2: Ocelli dot com here. Appreciate you. Whatever it is you
Speaker 2: chip in, it's big time important and helpful, and it
Speaker 2: all is useful because, as I've explained several hundred times,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to survive this economic crush just like you,
Speaker 2: and if you can spare it, you want to help out.
Speaker 2: It is much appreciated and always glad to perform for you.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, when you make a contribution,
Speaker 2: you ask me to do something, you know what, I
Speaker 2: might listen to you a little more. I listen to everybody,
Speaker 2: and I try to make everybody happy. Oh and I
Speaker 2: even have a piece of music from an independent artist
Speaker 2: that I can play tonight if we have time, and
Speaker 2: all that good stuff. So all that having been said,
Speaker 2: be pete. Anything we need to get to on this
Speaker 2: friar Friar's before I turned to the callers.
Speaker 4: Well, I just threw a link in a room to
Speaker 4: the lady that was found in her cubicle.
Speaker 3: I thought that was also strange.
Speaker 2: Okay, and we will get to those news stories as
Speaker 2: we go. Uh let's see, looks like I lost one
Speaker 2: and gained another, and now I lost two. All right, Well,
Speaker 2: I've got one caller on the line, so we'll get
Speaker 2: to them right away. And anybody else that wants to
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Speaker 2: zero one six That is the number to call and
Speaker 2: appreciate you, especially if you caught the graphics earlier. I
Speaker 2: put it out on Twitter and Facebook, Uh, especially because
Speaker 2: nobody sees me on any other platform apparently, and on
Speaker 2: Facebook I'm not seeing all that often.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Some lady actually messaged me today and told me somehow
Speaker 2: it took her about two years to find me after
Speaker 2: she got hacked and lost all of her social media
Speaker 2: accounts and all that stuff. She went in search of
Speaker 2: me with her brand new social media counts and for
Speaker 2: some reason she didn't find me for about two years
Speaker 2: and thought I was just gone. Don't know why that is.
Speaker 2: I guess that's that whole shadow banning issue. Anyways, here
Speaker 2: we go. Let's see first caller on the line according
Speaker 2: to time. What area code is that? Ah? Nine six, Okay,
Speaker 2: nine one six. You're up first and you are alive
Speaker 2: on the Ocelly effect. What's on your mind?
Speaker 5: This is Danny. It's Labor Day weekend, and it's a
Speaker 5: It's an important holiday for me because labor means a
Speaker 5: lot to me. It's my it's all I've really known
Speaker 5: and everybody around me having a work ethic, from farmers
Speaker 5: to businesses.
Speaker 2: Oh, it has been in.
Speaker 5: My own personal journey. I mean I started working when
Speaker 5: I was eight years old moll and launch my grandparents
Speaker 5: and my parents and then my dad had a two
Speaker 5: tracktor dealerships. So I worked in the shop starting when
Speaker 5: I was twelve and I haven't stopped working. So that's
Speaker 5: now fifty years of labor.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: So it's important. It's an important holiday for me. So
Speaker 5: it's also shape me because it's given me a lot
Speaker 5: of pride, a lot of dignity. So I also share
Speaker 5: that dignity with all the labor, you know, from the
Speaker 5: lowest to the highest. And my experiences has been good.
Speaker 5: I mean I feel a lot of satisfaction. But the
Speaker 5: kind of the important to me is I also was
Speaker 5: thinking a lot about immigration too. And in the area
Speaker 5: I grew up there like it's been as a farming community,
Speaker 5: so I mean, we had a predominant high amount of
Speaker 5: Mexican laborers. And I remember being in kindergarten there was
Speaker 5: a tomato field and I could see it was naming
Speaker 5: men working, but there was a few, and then even
Speaker 5: children out they're working in the tomato fields. And I
Speaker 5: was age five. And then there was the U the
Speaker 5: levees that built on the Sacramento River that was built
Speaker 5: by Chinese labor, and the same COOLi labor that built
Speaker 5: the trans Content helped build the trans Continental Railroad. And
Speaker 5: then we had family and friends and farmers. They were
Speaker 5: Japanese and I didn't realize they were there were citizens
Speaker 5: and they were interned. A lot of the parents of
Speaker 5: the friends I grew up with were interned in camps
Speaker 5: during World War Two, and the grandparents, and they showed
Speaker 5: no bitterness. I didn't know about it. So I heard
Speaker 5: something on the net as it wasn't even taught about
Speaker 5: in school.
Speaker 2: No, they never, you know, well Danny, not in any
Speaker 2: American school do they teach you about the different waves
Speaker 2: of immigration really not truthfully.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Either they give you a very distorted view of it. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, where it's overly, you know, strangely sympathy to
Speaker 2: only particular populations, or they ignore it entirely. They never
Speaker 2: give you the realistic thing that that that I talk
Speaker 2: about on the show sometimes where you have to recognize
Speaker 2: that the different waves came in and experience different resistance.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And obviously you know, I'm not one of these people
Speaker 2: that says slavery was you know, a form of immigration Uh, exactly.
Speaker 2: That's a whole other issue. But I mean the people
Speaker 2: that voluntarily came here, uh, you know, that's that's a
Speaker 2: whole different world. And as every wave came in, they
Speaker 2: were exploited for different reasons. And uh, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm sympathetic to that because I'm only the second generation here.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, so my grandparents would tell me about
Speaker 2: the craziness of coming to America basically, you know, but
Speaker 2: but how much they wanted to be here, and how
Speaker 2: much they needed to be here, and uh, and and
Speaker 2: the dream that they believed in.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's a big motivator and a big thing, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: and so it's extremely important at Labor Day. I've never
Speaker 2: heard you talk this much all at once, by the way, Danny,
Speaker 2: I was kind of amazed you had so much to say.
Speaker 2: Apparently this is a very deep running thought for you
Speaker 2: and emotional connection. And we hear from Danny all the time.
Speaker 2: If you're new to the show, Danny from California calls
Speaker 2: us almost every week, you know, for the most part lately.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate you, man, But yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: a deep thing work ethic, and isn't it strange that
Speaker 2: we live in a time where people challenge the idea
Speaker 2: that that even needs to exist because we're about to
Speaker 2: get automated out of existence the labor force, you know, etc.
Speaker 2: And hey, why bother working because there's other ways to
Speaker 2: do it? Or the really strange change of you stay
Speaker 2: home and work. That was a bizarre thing that happened.
Speaker 2: You know, like if I would have told you that
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties, you would have thought, you know, look,
Speaker 2: I got to buy weed from you, man. You're smoking
Speaker 2: some good stuff because you can't earn a living without
Speaker 2: leaving your house, are you crazy? Yeah, So it's a
Speaker 2: whole different era we live in, and I wonder about
Speaker 2: the future of the American work ethic based on that alone.
Speaker 2: So so, Danny, I'm sorry I did interrupt you, but
Speaker 2: I wanted to interject about the emotional thing. Yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 2: please do, please do.
Speaker 5: Now, what you interjected was wonderful because, yeah, thinking about
Speaker 5: it a lot, because I remember as a kid there
Speaker 5: were the easies. You know, I was born in sixty two. Well,
Speaker 5: during World War Two, because we had so many soldiers,
Speaker 5: you know, fighting, there was the farms were depleted of labors,
Speaker 5: so they had the Besero program, which was that they
Speaker 5: actually brought workers up from Mexico. I mean they bought
Speaker 5: them up in droves to have them come up here
Speaker 5: and work in the fields and the fruit, you know,
Speaker 5: and the farms and the orchards. And they came up
Speaker 5: here and worked, and that started the large wave of
Speaker 5: the Mexican migration into California. The ways and most of
Speaker 5: the workers went that, you know, back to Mexico. They
Speaker 5: made money and went back to mex skill. But a
Speaker 5: lot of the friends that grew up their their parents
Speaker 5: or grandparents were part of that, the Sero program, right,
Speaker 5: and and you know from the fields and of friends
Speaker 5: that became doctors, attorneys, went to work for the state
Speaker 5: of California for the franchise tax board. I mean, there's
Speaker 5: just amazing people that came out out of the out
Speaker 5: of this out of this migration.
Speaker 2: Well, Danny, look, I want to Danny, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 2: want to pause you again, only because I love all
Speaker 2: the stuff you're talking about here. But we have other callers,
Speaker 2: and I want to put you on hold for a minute.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they'll have something to add to this, uh
Speaker 2: as we go forward. But uh, yeah, if I put
Speaker 2: you on hold. And that's the other thing. If you
Speaker 2: call in, I put you on hold. I can bring
Speaker 2: you back on if we get time. Uh you know,
Speaker 2: not just you, Danny. I'm telling anybody who's listening and
Speaker 2: the callers on the line that you know, I want
Speaker 2: to get to you, and uh you know, if I
Speaker 2: put you on hold, I'll come back around. So Danny,
Speaker 2: let me put you on hold briefly. But I love
Speaker 2: this discussion. This is different, and I'll tell you what
Speaker 2: I was thinking about on Labor Day and what motivated
Speaker 2: me in a minute. But tonight's show is not about me.
Speaker 2: It's about the callers. So p Pete put a pin
Speaker 2: in that. Maybe you want to talk about the you know,
Speaker 2: the the work ethic and labor and all that, considering
Speaker 2: it's Labor Day later. But let's get to another caller
Speaker 2: first off, and I recognize the name from the board,
Speaker 2: but I think I'm gonna let this caller tell you
Speaker 2: who they are. And I'm really really pleased and smiling
Speaker 2: right now to see who's called in to the show
Speaker 2: and they might have a question for you. B Pete,
Speaker 2: just letting you know. Sorry if I'm spoiling anything, but
Speaker 2: caller from Texas. You wish to identify yourself?
Speaker 1: Is it me?
Speaker 2: It sure is?
Speaker 1: Ah? You know how long I haven't done this? And
Speaker 1: forever be Pete? What happening? Thank Danny? Happy Labor Day?
Speaker 1: I am happy Labor Day and day old.
Speaker 2: Yes, and look for people who don't know who this is.
Speaker 2: B Pete right away to recognize the voice. I recognize
Speaker 2: the voice and the bounce in it. Uh, the the
Speaker 2: beaming ball of energy on this planet. That is Gail
Speaker 2: Nix Jackson. Uh, you know, grand brother.
Speaker 1: Of my goodness? Will you be my publicist someday? I mean,
Speaker 1: will you be my Oh? That makes me sound so
Speaker 1: much better than I am. Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Listen. Any day I'll do some happy Labor Day. I'll
Speaker 2: do some free publicist work for you. But you know,
Speaker 2: if you can get me a job, I'll take that too,
Speaker 2: because I need more work.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You stay tight with me. Bp'll tell you stay tight
Speaker 1: with me. It'll happen, all right. Listen, listen, Gail Nick Jackson.
Speaker 2: One thing real fan though, Gail Nicks Jackson, I didn't
Speaker 2: even finish the author of the book about the lost
Speaker 2: film of the Kennedy Assassination. What lost film is that? Well,
Speaker 2: we can't find, at least as far as I know,
Speaker 2: we can't find. Nobody seems to be able to find,
Speaker 2: even when the government has asked. The film taken by
Speaker 2: Orville Nicks in Dealey Plaza from the opposite side of
Speaker 2: the street of where the Zepruter film was filmed. And
Speaker 2: you know, interesting, almost accidental how he ended up with
Speaker 2: it under his arm, if I remember correctly, kind of
Speaker 2: not really even aiming it properly. That's why it's at
Speaker 2: a weird angle. If you see the original or something
Speaker 2: close to the original, because we don't know where the
Speaker 2: original is, the original film, and Gail has been on
Speaker 2: a crusade to find it and all of that for
Speaker 2: a long time. And what is the full title? I
Speaker 2: know I got two copies of it behind me, but
Speaker 2: I can't reach it at the moment. What is the
Speaker 2: title of the book that has had a couple of
Speaker 2: brilliant covers, including one that looks like a pack of
Speaker 2: lit but also another sleek black night cover. But what
Speaker 2: is the title of that book? The full title?
Speaker 1: Okay, horrible? Next the Missing Assassination film and the and
Speaker 1: the first one if you have it it seriously, and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be. I don't know. People always
Speaker 1: take me the wrong way. If you have one of
Speaker 1: the first ones that I've published myself with a cover
Speaker 1: on it myself, that's the one you want to keep,
Speaker 1: unless you want to go sell it in an auction.
Speaker 1: Because I think we're I hope. I'm not gonna yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I think I think we're going to
Speaker 1: have an answer to that question within the next I
Speaker 1: want to say. I want to say weeks, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be nice and say within the next six months.
Speaker 1: I have to I'm not Creskin, nor am I no
Speaker 1: astro Damas, but I know that I have got to
Speaker 1: judge up in the federal court. This is wait a minute,
Speaker 1: and I am so happy I can't even stand it.
Speaker 1: And that's about all I can say about all that
Speaker 1: at this moment. That doesn't mean humans aren't coming, okay.
Speaker 1: The first book is Orble, next the Missing Jfcast Fascination film,
Speaker 1: and then Skyhorse bought it and they put a black
Speaker 1: cover on it with film or something. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: It's got three editions, this book, and so the second one,
Speaker 1: of course is Pieces of the Puzzle with all of
Speaker 1: our friends that helped me write one who says passed away.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, when I was listening to Danny, I was
Speaker 1: so impressed because there are still Americans the care. There
Speaker 1: are still Americans that care about history. And if you
Speaker 1: knew for how long I've been told no one cares
Speaker 1: that jfkassassination went so long ago. Uh, well the government
Speaker 1: did it. Are we seriously going to normalize this kind
Speaker 1: of a behavior?
Speaker 5: I mean, are we?
Speaker 1: Because that's what we're all doing. I'm not. I am not,
Speaker 1: and I will sing it until I die that I
Speaker 1: will not put up with what we know as Americans
Speaker 1: is right and wrong. We do, and we can take
Speaker 1: away the partisan crap ola I sound like Archie Bunker.
Speaker 1: We can take all that away and just look at
Speaker 1: people as to who they are and how we were raised,
Speaker 1: and what we know is the difference between right and wrong.
Speaker 1: There are problems in this country. Well instead of gribing
Speaker 1: about them, why do we not try and fix them?
Speaker 1: That's what I've been doing my whole life, much to
Speaker 1: the chagrin of my family and who were like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, more ja Okay, I mean, yes, my grandfather
Speaker 1: was there for a reason, and I know it. I
Speaker 1: know it, and just as well as I know my
Speaker 1: children or my children, just as well as I know
Speaker 1: my husband is my soul mate. I just know these things,
Speaker 1: and I can't prove it. I judge is going to
Speaker 1: have to get me through it.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: Thank God to these wonderful lawyers I've got. Oh my,
Speaker 1: they are really doing their job, y'all. They are doing it,
Speaker 1: and I am so happy. But wait, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: back to Danny. I want to say, Danny, you were
Speaker 1: talking about the immigrants coming over in that way. My grandfather,
Speaker 1: the one that took this film, had to quit school
Speaker 1: in fourth grade, fourth freaking grade because there wasn't enough
Speaker 1: money during the depression for their family to eat even
Speaker 1: and his younger brother had epilepty. And if you can
Speaker 1: imagine during a depression, when there's no insurance, no if
Speaker 1: you can just imagine, my grandfather went out and was
Speaker 1: picking cotton right along with the immigrants. So when I
Speaker 1: hear all this crap about how they are whoever says
Speaker 1: that Trump is, I don't know who says they are
Speaker 1: weakening our blood? Really really well, how many people are
Speaker 1: going to go out there and do that work? I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope that there are automatons or robots or whatever
Speaker 1: that maybe can do it, so the poor people who
Speaker 1: just want to work and do a hard day's work
Speaker 1: are allowed to do so without feeling like they are
Speaker 1: lesser people. And that's just what I want to say. There.
Speaker 2: You did your grandfather also pick a tobacco too? Was
Speaker 2: he also one of the guys picking tobacco?
Speaker 3: But it was.
Speaker 1: All right Texas Lucky Strikes, Yeah no, and he slunked ridiculously. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I love and I love that book cover not
Speaker 1: in Texas now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one book cover is a complete homage to
Speaker 2: a pack of Lucky Strikes. On this looks like a
Speaker 2: pack of Lucky Strikes from a distance, the one book cover.
Speaker 2: I love it because it's so it's a recognizable, iconic thing.
Speaker 2: And clearly, I mean, look, Lucky Strikes still exist, but
Speaker 2: I mean as a cigarette brand, that was a huge thing.
Speaker 2: Lucky Strikes were like like Marlborough's at a certain point,
Speaker 2: and it just so happens. I mean, obviously that was
Speaker 2: one of the things your grandfather smoked. But anyway, you know,
Speaker 2: interesting guy in and of himself, and he just he
Speaker 2: loved his film camera I love you telling the stories
Speaker 2: about him trying to film airplanes and all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: You know, my grandmother would just scream in him. They
Speaker 1: were trying to save money. I mean, she worked on
Speaker 1: the Wyatts cafeteria line. I mean, she is the lady
Speaker 1: that was back there at beans and rice, like at
Speaker 1: Lchico down here Elbanix used to do, but at Wyatt's,
Speaker 1: which was a cafeteria like Louvi's. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what do y'all have up there? Oh y'all have cafeterias anymore?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. We don't have many. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen him in Georgia since I've been here. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a waffle house every twenty feet, but there ain't
Speaker 2: cafeterias around here. H B Pete. Do they have cafeterias
Speaker 2: in North Carolina? V pte. You still wasn't. Maybe he's
Speaker 2: not with it. He might. I don't know. Maybe I
Speaker 2: lost him somehow. I'll fix it if I have. Sorry.
Speaker 2: I thought he was still there. He should be. Maybe
Speaker 2: he lost his connection anyway, I'm here, No there he is.
Speaker 2: He was talking to his mute button. Okay. And meanwhile,
Speaker 2: Gail has a question for you.
Speaker 3: I'm asking you to take a picture.
Speaker 4: You guys were talking about lucky strikes and I'm sitting
Speaker 4: here smoking a pack.
Speaker 3: I was looking for my cam.
Speaker 2: Down He's literally trying to trying to take a picture
Speaker 2: of the lucky strikes. He's smoking. Anyway, I asked you
Speaker 2: the question, do they have do they have cafeterias in
Speaker 2: North Carolina? Because I don't see him in Georgia. Now
Speaker 2: I might be missing him, but she was talking about
Speaker 2: those kind of cafeterias where people go to eat. Do
Speaker 2: they have him there in North Carolina?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sm D was a big one.
Speaker 4: A couple other changes, Yeah, okay, there's been some, a
Speaker 4: couple of Maya, a couple other companies out. So you
Speaker 4: had a crap.
Speaker 3: What was the bige?
Speaker 1: There was the first cafeteria fu RRS and in Oakcliff.
Speaker 1: When we were little, when popa or what would take
Speaker 1: us to eat, we would go to the Jefferson Davis cafeteria.
Speaker 1: Stop it, man, I mean, everybody, I mean you know now.
Speaker 1: Jefferson Davis was the name of the height of the
Speaker 1: elementary school I went to, and the names have all
Speaker 1: been changed. And I get it. I mean, I do
Speaker 1: get it well.
Speaker 2: Because I was a Yankee, because I was a Yankee
Speaker 2: and not a Yankee fan. I was a Mets fan.
Speaker 2: But uh huh. But because I was a Yankee and
Speaker 2: grew up in the Northeast, we didn't have these cafeterias.
Speaker 2: We had diners in New Jersey and New York, you know,
Speaker 2: and is not up north. Nah, we didn't have any
Speaker 2: of that. No, no, no, Like I never I saw
Speaker 2: these things in like nineteen fifties TV shows where it
Speaker 2: was like, oh, they have a place where you go
Speaker 2: and there's just kind of different and things they cook
Speaker 2: each day, and they got bit like I was like,
Speaker 2: it's a cafeteria. What is this? I thought it was
Speaker 2: one of those things that disappeared like in the nineteen
Speaker 2: fifties or forties.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I never saw one physically in New Jersey.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 4: No, it's actually one of the cheapest places to eat.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know how you get reduced, well reduced
Speaker 4: menu prices at a school cafeteria or a college cafeteria
Speaker 4: usually pay a little bit less, or a hospital cafeteria.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, K and W because K and W is
Speaker 3: just as cheap.
Speaker 4: Now they've gone up on some things here in the
Speaker 4: past year just place.
Speaker 3: But for the most part, you.
Speaker 4: Can go get you know, a meat, three vegs, bread,
Speaker 4: and a drink at one time for about six bucks
Speaker 4: seven bucks.
Speaker 2: Wow, yep, I can't even get a happy man.
Speaker 1: Back in the day. Yeah, back in the day, it
Speaker 1: was much cheaper. You could get it for like a
Speaker 1: dollar and a dollar twenty five. I mean because we
Speaker 1: went there every Sunday after Sunday school, I mean after church,
Speaker 1: because my grandmother worked there, and you know, it was
Speaker 1: a cheap way, and then my mom didn't have to
Speaker 1: cook because it was homemade food. I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like chemically laden like a drive through you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, right, It wasn't that way.
Speaker 2: Well, see, that's why in Jersey we went to diners.
Speaker 2: We went to we had a lot of diners everywhere.
Speaker 2: They were just these I don't know how to describe.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys had the diners down
Speaker 2: here like we had, I don't think so. Where it's
Speaker 2: just like and and there was always a cheap end
Speaker 2: of it. Breakfast was always cheap there. And these places
Speaker 2: were open twenty four hours. Yeah, you know in New
Speaker 2: Jersey and New York. Well, that's like, but it's really
Speaker 2: like a Yeah, but it's not like a waffle house
Speaker 2: or an eye hooper, none of that, because it was
Speaker 2: real food cooked. It wasn't like greasy spoon. It was like.
Speaker 1: It was Are you talking about those those places where
Speaker 1: you could open up a like it looked like a
Speaker 1: well a little like a like a like a little
Speaker 1: and you get food out of it.
Speaker 4: No, nor none of the automatism Yeah no.
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not talking about that automatons. And you'd
Speaker 3: see those that like company cafeterias.
Speaker 2: No, I thought that.
Speaker 4: No, diners are just slided in the slots and you're
Speaker 4: coming in, putting your money in and taking it out
Speaker 4: of the door.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, those those were rare, but they had But no,
Speaker 2: the diners I'm talking about. You could go into this
Speaker 2: place and it was weird because you could go in
Speaker 2: there and eat breakfast for like two or three dollars.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: Even into like around the year two thousand, you could
Speaker 2: still get like a three dollars breakfast and it was
Speaker 2: a sit down breakfast. You know, eggs cooked any way
Speaker 2: you want, and uh and this and this and this
Speaker 2: on the side, and coffee was free bottomless cup of coffee.
Speaker 2: You could do that or in Texas. And the other
Speaker 2: thing is it would range from that to I could
Speaker 2: sit down and get three course meal, like a full
Speaker 2: on meal with like okay, here's your salad or you know,
Speaker 2: or or it's like a salad course and a soup,
Speaker 2: either a soup or salad, right, and an appetizer and
Speaker 2: an entree and you order that and it's a full
Speaker 2: on meal. Plus some of them included desserts too.
Speaker 4: Uh, and neild have have shut down though. They'll either
Speaker 4: do like breakfast and lunch or lunch and dinner.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you would, you guys, So you guys have heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, you guys have.
Speaker 1: Heard of Austin's Barbecue. I'm sorry to interrupt. This is
Speaker 1: what I always do. I'm so rude. I'm sorry. Barbecue.
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Have you read that in many books
Speaker 1: about I think Joseph McBride the book he wrote talks
Speaker 1: about Austin anyway, But we always went there too, and
Speaker 1: that was like a diner like you're talking about, Chuck,
Speaker 1: but it was it's barbecue now. JD. Tippett was the
Speaker 1: security there. Martie Matthews, the McCann's a lot of the
Speaker 1: Dixie Mafia with her. Of course, my grandfather didn't know,
Speaker 1: I mean who they were, I mean, the only way.
Speaker 1: In fact, I didn't even find any of that out
Speaker 1: until much later, so I was doing a lot of research.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was a hangout for, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe the people trying to talk because Austin, mister Austin,
Speaker 1: he had a place in the very back of his restaurant,
Speaker 1: very very bad. Like if you've ever been to Campezes,
Speaker 1: if you guys, you could go in the very back
Speaker 1: and nobody. It was private, but you didn't have to
Speaker 1: rent in ahead of time. And from what I understand,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of who knows what going on
Speaker 1: back there durnal those days. Because seriously, I don't know
Speaker 1: about you guys, but this political atmosphere and the Cape
Speaker 1: bol crap, it so reminds me of when I was
Speaker 1: a child in Dallas and you had the right against
Speaker 1: the left, and they never knew what the left was,
Speaker 1: and they never knew what the right was. I said, well,
Speaker 1: does the right I used to ask my dad, does
Speaker 1: the right thing that they're right?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I said, well, I don't understand why is one called
Speaker 1: right ones left? But anyway. General Walker, of course was
Speaker 1: the right, and then on the left he had to
Speaker 1: add life Stevenson's, the JFK's, the anyone that was on
Speaker 1: his side. So it was like a full blown what
Speaker 1: we're doing now, It's what it reminds me of because
Speaker 1: this JFK didn't detegrate himself. He didn't do it, and
Speaker 1: General Walker spent all his time doing it, flying the
Speaker 1: flag upside down, going to making sure that Arkansas wasn't segregated.
Speaker 1: God help us, I mean you know that I don't
Speaker 1: understand it, and I never understood it. And then as
Speaker 1: the little girl, and here we are doing it again.
Speaker 1: When are we going to learn to learn from history?
Speaker 1: When are we going to learn? I don't know if
Speaker 1: we learned? Does that make us woke? It is woke? Bad?
Speaker 1: Is that bad?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: Look, the new definitions on everything don't make any sense
Speaker 2: for those of us who were alive before the century turned,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's just it doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense anymore. What is a libertarian? What's a liberal? Liberal?
Speaker 2: Definitely a dirty word even among liberals at this point.
Speaker 2: But you know, liberal at one time was kind of
Speaker 2: a nice thing. It meant that you were a free
Speaker 2: thinker and you didn't want to bother other people. It
Speaker 2: seemed like ry, but that ain't anymore way what happened?
Speaker 2: I look, I don't know, but I'll tell you you're right.
Speaker 2: We're going in that direction where things are just you know,
Speaker 2: full on crazy, no matter where you're at as far
Speaker 2: as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: But yeah, God, haven't we seen enough of this? I mean,
Speaker 1: why do we want to do it over again? It
Speaker 1: was terrible? Why are we going to do it again?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: I don't understand.
Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't either.
Speaker 1: Why would anyone want to get rich and famous off
Speaker 1: this crap? I mean, off the GAFK. I'll be honest.
Speaker 1: I mean, why we're here. It's not like any of
Speaker 1: us make bookoos of money. We're here to try and
Speaker 1: educate and help the people who don't know the things
Speaker 1: that we all know. And we don't go around it's
Speaker 1: spreading conspiracy bunk. We are in it for the truth,
Speaker 1: and the people who aren't, in my opinion, don't even
Speaker 1: need to be in this committee, in this community. And
Speaker 1: I am terrible about that, but it's true. Everyone deserves
Speaker 1: a voice that if you're gonna lie and you're gonna
Speaker 1: ruin all the hard work all those people before us
Speaker 1: have done, all the witnesses who went through the crap
Speaker 1: they went through during those days, and it was horrible.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. I guess you just had to
Speaker 1: live it. Maybe maybe, or maybe people just don't care anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I've got people in my family
Speaker 1: who say no one cares anymore, and I don't agree
Speaker 1: with them. I don't because I think people do.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's good.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a case of people not caring anymore.
Speaker 4: I honestly think it is just a lack of of knowledge.
Speaker 1: The and that's what we're nothing, aren't we see.
Speaker 2: I would be pete the lack of knowledge thing that
Speaker 2: that's a terrible excuse. Look, there there is so much excuse.
Speaker 4: It's just with today's you've got to realize the majority
Speaker 4: of people today have the attention span of a gnat.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So you're talking about an unsolved murder from a long
Speaker 4: time back, and if you put the connotation on it,
Speaker 4: then you know it was that to break with responsibility.
Speaker 3: After that, things changed.
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was it was
Speaker 1: one of the major.
Speaker 2: It was one of the major changes in the past
Speaker 2: hundred years. Yeah. Absolutely, it's one of the major ships
Speaker 2: that occurred as a result of that happening.
Speaker 1: No one, no one took accountability. And I tell you
Speaker 1: what if our government, if they were I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know what I think, but what I think is
Speaker 1: not you know, it's not the truth. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: my opinion if they were in it, had any part
Speaker 1: or new any of it. It's their obligation as politicians
Speaker 1: that we elect to do they not know how to shepherd?
Speaker 1: Do they not know how to lead people? I mean,
Speaker 1: our government, in my opinion, has turned into more of
Speaker 1: an entertainment like football or baseball, rather than really being noble.
Speaker 1: And we are losing all nobility in this Nobility is
Speaker 1: not a king and a queen. Nobility is what you
Speaker 1: do when you sacrifice yourself for someone else. That's what
Speaker 1: that is. Well, and why have we lost that? To Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm on a rant to night, Well, I gotta story, Gale.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing about that. In my mind, the
Speaker 2: reason is this, Why is there no nobility? Why are
Speaker 2: these people acting like entertainers, because that's what's being demanded
Speaker 2: of them. In my mind, the public has essentially fallen
Speaker 2: into a position where, look, you have to compore with
Speaker 2: my sentimentality, my sentiment, my idea, my opinion, my feeling
Speaker 2: on things. I don't mean, it's like I don't care
Speaker 2: what the facts saying. Well, because they don't care about
Speaker 2: the facts. They don't care about Look, can you prove
Speaker 2: anything with evidence? I don't care. This is what I
Speaker 2: feel is happening. Well, what if I show you that
Speaker 2: that's not what happened? Doesn't matter. I feel it's this way.
Speaker 2: So they're demanding of the people that are being selected
Speaker 2: for these offices, that are being appointed, their demands on
Speaker 2: them to do what to make it line up with
Speaker 2: what they feel and what they think either way, any
Speaker 2: which way you want to swing. It's not a good
Speaker 2: thing when people are about their sentimentality over substance, and
Speaker 2: when they do that, they're making demands about since I
Speaker 2: feel this way, deal with it that way. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that it's part of the reality or the job
Speaker 2: that needs to get done.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I sit and I watch, and you know,
Speaker 2: some people want to tell me about how great it is.
Speaker 2: There's a celebration because everybody feels good on this side
Speaker 2: of the equation because you know, they're being told to
Speaker 2: feel good. But is that going to help them tomorrow
Speaker 2: when they're trying to figure out how to feed their family.
Speaker 2: Is that going to help them when they're trying to
Speaker 2: figure out how to plan for the future. Is that
Speaker 2: going to help them when they're you know, they're cost
Speaker 2: of housing has been jacked up so bad now they've
Speaker 2: got to choose to live somewhere else because they're being
Speaker 2: priced out. Is that going to help them because there's
Speaker 2: no jobs available that allow them to sustain their family.
Speaker 2: Is that going to help them because there's not a
Speaker 2: safe place for them to live? Is that going to No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't count when it comes to the things that
Speaker 2: really count. And even if you feel like, well, I
Speaker 2: need to deal with you know, this kind of thing
Speaker 2: because all my people are on this side, and I've
Speaker 2: got to go with the group in this direction or
Speaker 2: that direction. And notice I'm very carefully avoiding specifics here.
Speaker 2: The thing is they're not dealing with the brass tax
Speaker 2: of it. And so when you talk about something like
Speaker 2: the murder of JFK, why does it matter? And you know,
Speaker 2: trying to educate people and trying to get at them
Speaker 2: and give them real information. A lot of them don't
Speaker 2: care about that because well, I feel as though, and
Speaker 2: there's the end of the argument, whatever it is, they
Speaker 2: feel as though, I think the government's responsible. So that's it. Look,
Speaker 2: if you.
Speaker 1: Don't have an open mind, I mean, somebody going to
Speaker 1: prove it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's either that marsh and Oswald thing. It's fine,
Speaker 2: but go ahead, goo ahead.
Speaker 3: Let me let me ask both of you all this.
Speaker 4: Sure supposedly they were going to release files and then
Speaker 4: Trump during his term, hold the agencies go back through it,
Speaker 4: you know, find out the stuff. It's got to still
Speaker 4: be redacted. Blah blah blah. We end up getting short changed. Now,
Speaker 4: my question is this, and it's like a two prong question.
Speaker 4: One can you think of the of the reason? And
Speaker 4: I don't think there's there's one reason. There's one main
Speaker 4: reason that they're not releasing this stuff.
Speaker 3: With that is it because it.
Speaker 4: Implicates certain individuals connected to the government. I can't think
Speaker 4: of any other reason that these files would not be
Speaker 4: completely released.
Speaker 3: What's left up? We know the.
Speaker 1: It a long time ago. I got a couple of
Speaker 1: reasons that go out at alphabet. We don't know.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Gail to speak your piece, because I got
Speaker 2: a couple of different reasons I can add go ahead.
Speaker 1: I do too that I don't want to say them
Speaker 1: because well Jesus, I'll get in trouble. Every lawyer will
Speaker 1: be calling me.
Speaker 2: I know, I I.
Speaker 1: Seriously believe that Trump was a little bit scared. Look
Speaker 1: at Biden. What did Biden do? I'm not being bipartisan.
Speaker 1: I am trying to be I mean partisan, I am
Speaker 1: trying to be Biden did the same thing here. See,
Speaker 1: you take it over and you tell us what we
Speaker 1: can and can't have. Now, why would you have done that?
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know Trump, Trump, I know that overhaul of everything.
Speaker 9: In my opinion, after you, if you take account ability,
Speaker 9: what's the latest results on a poll when people ask
Speaker 9: me to think the government was involved?
Speaker 4: I mean, do you think that there's a lot of
Speaker 4: people in the community to think the government was involved
Speaker 4: in some form or fashion.
Speaker 1: Either, And I think they've normally actually.
Speaker 4: Carrying out of it or the cover I know they're
Speaker 4: involved in the cover up afterwards, but I mean the
Speaker 4: actual assassination.
Speaker 3: Do you think there are parts of the government that
Speaker 3: are involved, well.
Speaker 2: The cover up. You know, you have to be insane
Speaker 2: to say the government is not involved in a cover
Speaker 2: up here because you know, Exhibit A through Z you got.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they can live my life and see what
Speaker 1: I've been told and what I've been through and they know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all I can say that. But he's
Speaker 1: about everybody.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. It might not be to my bis. Yeah, good,
Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'll get there.
Speaker 4: I can't think of any other reason that the stuff
Speaker 4: would not be released because it's going to implicate somebody
Speaker 4: connected with the government, okay.
Speaker 3: Or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm trying to answer that. Okay, So let
Speaker 2: me get to it real quick. There's a couple of
Speaker 2: possibilities here and the one terrible possibility. No, everybody scoffs
Speaker 2: at me when I say this, So get ready, everybody listening.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get scoffed that watch. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: How about if they have no idea what actually happened.
Speaker 2: If we really look at this stuff, and with all
Speaker 2: these agencies, all these people investigating the government giving us
Speaker 2: answers and every other nonsensical thing, where they were pushing
Speaker 2: out narratives to the media and all that crap. What
Speaker 2: if we discovered that, quite honestly, even all the way
Speaker 2: up to the up Rechelan, they're throwing up their hands going,
Speaker 2: you know, in truth, we can't make a case here
Speaker 2: in any direction. We don't know. It's actually still a
Speaker 2: mystery to us. Now there's a possibility that they don't
Speaker 2: want out there, because that that would mean that guess what,
Speaker 2: the all knowing government is not in control, wasn't guilty,
Speaker 2: wasn't inept, They just didn't know. They can't even do
Speaker 2: the job to begin with. So you know, how about
Speaker 2: that as a possibility. That's one Two is that they're
Speaker 2: so entangled that something went on here with somebody that
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily their people or government people involved, but they
Speaker 2: were connected to government people. The government people absolutely should
Speaker 2: have caught this without a question.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: What if we find out that there is no way
Speaker 2: in hell and we find out exactly who the shooters were,
Speaker 2: and we find out that these guys were checking in
Speaker 2: every single day with CIA handlers, NSA people, military intelligence,
Speaker 2: and they were checking in with them every single day,
Speaker 2: and still they slipped us right on by him and
Speaker 2: got away with it can the government be seen as
Speaker 2: the keystone cops here with people that they should have
Speaker 2: had control over. So it's not necessarily that it would
Speaker 2: implicate somebody within the government, but there's the possibility of
Speaker 2: connection and also the possibility of guess what, folks, we
Speaker 2: don't know the answer either, And I think neither one
Speaker 2: of those things would be good to come out, and
Speaker 2: I think that would be a good purpose for a
Speaker 2: cover up. But the whole thing with this, you know,
Speaker 2: Trump versus Biden, they did the same thing basically, except
Speaker 2: Trump to a lesser degree. Trump kicked the down you know,
Speaker 2: kick the can down the road and basically handed it
Speaker 2: over to the next administration, whoever that might be. But
Speaker 2: you know, all those things and those discussions about whether
Speaker 2: he's scared or anything else nonsensical because there was twenty
Speaker 2: five years I agree, in between where the ARRB went
Speaker 2: through and didn't get everything they wanted. They had to
Speaker 2: fight with the CIA and go through this whole thing,
Speaker 2: and there's a twenty five year delay, So twenty five
Speaker 2: years after they dealt with it, which was already more
Speaker 2: than twenty five years after the incident. Okay, so half
Speaker 2: a century later. Tell me what methods and sources would
Speaker 2: still be valid or even remotely anything other than antique
Speaker 2: and not useful any longer. You know, no operational value whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Who's alive from nineteen sixty three that would have been
Speaker 2: an active person that could have pulled this off or
Speaker 2: been involved, Probably nobody. What methodology would they have been
Speaker 2: using back then that's still even remotely valid. So sources
Speaker 2: and methods, I don't want to hear it anymore. The
Speaker 2: thing is, you know, and I pointed this out, is
Speaker 2: that there is literally withheld documentation regarding an actual conspiracy
Speaker 2: that we know about that tried to completely decapitate the government,
Speaker 2: and that's the Lincoln assassination. There is withheld documentation the
Speaker 2: National Archives that you're not allowed to have about an
Speaker 2: assassination that happened one hundred years before JFK's assassination. Sources
Speaker 2: and methods don't think So there's.
Speaker 1: This scary part to me. It is, yeah, is this
Speaker 1: really the government we grew up learning in history books
Speaker 1: and pledging to allegiance to our flag. I mean, I
Speaker 1: meant every word I ever said when I do it
Speaker 1: at a baseball game, I mean, but does anyone does
Speaker 1: anyone think that anymore seeing they do.
Speaker 2: And I mean right, And I'll give you one other,
Speaker 2: just last thing on this, because bp'd asked that question
Speaker 2: three times. What else could it be besides government being implicated?
Speaker 2: Here's the problem. Let's just say the government can't be
Speaker 2: implicated in any way, shape or form in the assassination.
Speaker 2: We get every piece of information they have, and none
Speaker 2: of them are the guilty party in any way, shape
Speaker 2: or form. It's not people connected to them that are
Speaker 2: the guilty party in any way, shape or form. Their
Speaker 2: hands are clean on JFK. Let's just assume that for
Speaker 2: a moment. How about in the course of digging that up,
Speaker 2: there are other things that are darker, uglier secrets that
Speaker 2: you might have to get to if some of the
Speaker 2: key pieces of information about JF came out where the
Speaker 2: government could be implicated in some other way, worse things
Speaker 2: than even the Kennedy assassination by a long shot. Imagine that,
Speaker 2: you know, because we find out about somebody who was
Speaker 2: working on some deep, dark projects, maybe they loosed some
Speaker 2: poison on a segment of the population that they have
Speaker 2: buried and covered up. Now and literally the American government
Speaker 2: is responsible for murdering one hundred thousand of their own citizens.
Speaker 2: We don't know about it because it's been covered up,
Speaker 2: But maybe somehow that would come out if we had
Speaker 2: all the facts on JFK, simply because some of those
Speaker 2: operatives now being revealed, or some of those situations being revealed,
Speaker 2: could lead to a massive something else that needs to
Speaker 2: be covered up. That's way.
Speaker 1: Are you suggesting that maybe they're hiding all this because
Speaker 1: they don't want us to really know what the I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Are you saying that I don't know?
Speaker 1: Are you saying that maybe it's going on because this
Speaker 1: is just the way of our life and they don't
Speaker 1: want us to know that. I was reading, Okay, let
Speaker 1: me throw this in there, and this is my It's
Speaker 1: scary when I get into my brain by myself.
Speaker 10: It is.
Speaker 1: I was reading the other day that the newest philosophers
Speaker 1: in modern philosophers are suggesting that we live in a simulation.
Speaker 1: Have you guys read that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, But I've been reading about that since Philip K. Dick.
Speaker 2: I mean that's from the nineteen seventies. Even that people
Speaker 2: have been discussing that's all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like in college classes now, I currently I never
Speaker 1: had any of that. When I was teaching college, I didn't.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm asking you guys, I mean, where's
Speaker 1: the guard rails around that? I hypotheses, There are hypotheses
Speaker 1: and ideas about philosophy. Those it's just what they are,
Speaker 1: are ideas. But normally there's been a lot of research
Speaker 1: into it to see why they come up to the
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I came and talk. Why did I
Speaker 1: come up with the conclusion they have?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And so I add all this and what we're talking
Speaker 1: about right now and what we're because, honestly, Chuck and Bpe, honestly,
Speaker 1: for years, I didn't want to think that the government
Speaker 1: had done this to my grandfather's film. I didn't. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest. I did not. I would tell I tell Haraldo,
Speaker 1: I don't know who's up there shooting. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if it was our government. It could have been.
Speaker 1: I said it. I'm an idiot, some guy throwing hot dogs.
Speaker 1: That's what I said on Haraldo. I think in ninety one.
Speaker 2: I mean, because I.
Speaker 1: Don't know fit now after all these years, since even
Speaker 1: ninety one, I know what I know, and I've got
Speaker 1: proof of it, and I just don't see how this
Speaker 1: keeps caring on it more. I mean Bill Simpitch and
Speaker 1: Jeff Morley and those guys Larry Snapp am I saying
Speaker 1: his name right, They all tried to do it and
Speaker 1: they got dismissed and they got yeah, you know, but
Speaker 1: so far we haven't gotten dismissed. And I truly think
Speaker 1: that we're going to have an answer sometime soon. And
Speaker 1: in my opinion, if I were the president or a politician,
Speaker 1: which I would never be because I just I would
Speaker 1: never be able to sleep at night, But if I were,
Speaker 1: I would explain to my constituents. Look, it's just like
Speaker 1: when you're you've got a thorn in your in your finger.
Speaker 1: If you don't get it out, it's gonna fester. If
Speaker 1: you don't take accountability and tell the truth. This is
Speaker 1: what happens. I mean, it's what happens when you lie
Speaker 1: and lie and lie. You lose the respect of people
Speaker 1: that you you know you want to have if you
Speaker 1: lose your credibility. And and that's why I like on
Speaker 1: the times before I had kids, or I could travel
Speaker 1: to Europe and see how people thought, and not that
Speaker 1: it matters, but seeing another viewpoint of what we do
Speaker 1: over here from another country is very very important, y'all.
Speaker 1: It's more important than we know, you know, so.
Speaker 2: So Gail, Gail, Yeah, I know you're not taking up
Speaker 2: all my time. I love you. I love hearing from you.
Speaker 2: You had a question for V Pete. I want to
Speaker 2: let you get to that, and I want to get
Speaker 2: to some other callers, so I could put you on
Speaker 2: hold and you could breathe and listen to everybody for
Speaker 2: a minute, and uh, you know, maybe we'll get back
Speaker 2: around to this discussion. I love this discussion.
Speaker 1: And I love you both do well.
Speaker 2: We Yeah, buddy, listen, I'm gonna do that. But just
Speaker 2: to let you know, I don't want to speak for
Speaker 2: B Pete, but I know B Pete appreciate you, that's
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I love you. I know people that listen to
Speaker 2: the show love you. They love to hear you on
Speaker 2: I've had you requested several times over the past uh uh,
Speaker 2: well over the past year. Yeah, you've been requesting. No,
Speaker 2: you don't know anybody money. But you know I took
Speaker 2: your directive, you know, which was Look, I can't say
Speaker 2: anything publicly right now, but we are going to see
Speaker 2: each other at Lancer and coming up November twenty, and
Speaker 2: I'm hoping. I.
Speaker 1: Oh please, I hope I can tell everything.
Speaker 5: Oh please, please let it happen.
Speaker 1: If the Chuck Show believe in prayer, I solely, I
Speaker 1: really do. I know that the more prayers that God
Speaker 1: hears there there's people wanting. I know. But even if
Speaker 1: you don't, I mean, if you believe in positivity and
Speaker 1: sending out positive vibes, because I truly believe we're all
Speaker 1: made of energy, and I try to put out as
Speaker 1: much positive as I can. But every now and then
Speaker 1: you gotta let the nuggative out too, because it poisons
Speaker 1: the good I just does. So yeah, put me on
Speaker 1: the whole. I love your guts. VP. Call me sometime
Speaker 1: when you're bored, which you never argue. You work so
Speaker 1: hard and you help Chuck. But Chuck, I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see you, and I'll talk to you again. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe I'll get to before November, maybe I hope.
Speaker 2: So Okay, Gail, I'm gonna put you on hold. But
Speaker 2: before I do that, just real fast, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna ask the question that you asked on Facebook. So
Speaker 2: b Pete. Gail is one of the people who asked
Speaker 2: me a question about you on Facebook. She wanted to
Speaker 2: know if you were going to the conference. I almost
Speaker 2: felt bad, like, wait a minute, you're you're more excited
Speaker 2: to see b Pete than me. Doesn't matter, I'm going,
Speaker 2: but she wants to know if you're going to be there.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sorry, I'm breaking Bail talked to B Pete
Speaker 1: all those years and didn't know who he was, and
Speaker 1: I was so excited to finally seem I can't tell you, I.
Speaker 2: Really it's Gail. I'm just making I'm just making jokes. Gail, Relax.
Speaker 2: I do that on Fridays. We're being We're having fun
Speaker 2: on Friday. Okay, So I'm making a joke here that
Speaker 2: I felt. I did feel a little bad for a
Speaker 2: second though, like wait a minute, you just okay, you
Speaker 2: want to see b Pete real bad? But uh, b Pte? Allright?
Speaker 2: Have you figured out if you can get the dose off?
Speaker 2: Are you going? Or what.
Speaker 3: It looks right now? It looks like no, But I
Speaker 3: don't know what's going to change.
Speaker 5: We're starting.
Speaker 4: We've just signed all of the agreements on a new
Speaker 4: phase all this job that's going to extend it to
Speaker 4: like December of next year, se Lo love me or.
Speaker 2: Hate me, Gail, I always tell you the truth, didn't
Speaker 2: I tell you. He's waiting to hear about it if
Speaker 2: he can get days off or whatever. And I ask
Speaker 2: him all the time, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Let me throw this in. Let me throw this in
Speaker 1: before I go on. Hold stebro wants you to be
Speaker 1: there too, okay. And Steve Row, by the way, is
Speaker 1: one of the guys who wrote a chapter in my book.
Speaker 1: See I mean, I know how he thinks about things,
Speaker 1: and I know how Doug And it's not a I
Speaker 1: like everybody's opinion when they're kind, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and they're smart and they think before they tuk, which
Speaker 1: I don't always do. So in Steve, I like people
Speaker 1: who do what I can't.
Speaker 2: Right And and Steve Row is one of the lone
Speaker 2: nut theorists that and I mean that he believes that
Speaker 2: Oswald is guilty, you know, when it comes to Kennedy.
Speaker 2: And he's a researcher on that side of the fence.
Speaker 2: He's been part of this show several episodes over the years,
Speaker 2: not lately because we haven't done a show where Steve
Speaker 2: would be appropriate lately, but The thing is he's been
Speaker 2: on the show several times, and look, we can have
Speaker 2: a respectful, reasonable agreement on things like facts and evidence, right,
Speaker 2: and no problem there. In fact, he's the guy who
Speaker 2: helped me, who helped me find the image. I think
Speaker 2: of George H. W. Bush on November twenty second, where
Speaker 2: he was at the Corners Club. Yeah right, that's right.
Speaker 1: So just saying people that know the fact, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what we need to do. Guys, you know
Speaker 1: what we need to do. And I'm going to suggest
Speaker 1: it if whatever I say as a stupid at the conference,
Speaker 1: I'm going to suggest that we all put together. I
Speaker 1: know somebody has done it, but I think we all
Speaker 1: need to do it in unison known facts, ruth about
Speaker 1: the assassination and then the area where it's gray and
Speaker 1: the area where it's just bs. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that's what we should do. I'm not kidding. I know
Speaker 1: it's been done, but I think we should all do
Speaker 1: it because those of us who can listen to both
Speaker 1: sides of an argument without losing our minds, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're the sane ones that need to put it all down.
Speaker 1: What do y'all think?
Speaker 2: I think you read one of my book proposals. That's
Speaker 2: what I think, because I proposed this as a book.
Speaker 2: I swear I proposed this as a book literally already.
Speaker 2: That there should be a small council because there's one
Speaker 2: particular publisher that has published a variety of authors, and
Speaker 2: they already have worked with them, and we could all
Speaker 2: assemble almost exactly what you just said into a singular book.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think so too. It's so easy, it's there,
Speaker 1: and that would be enough. You could even make it
Speaker 1: into a small little chat book that they used to
Speaker 1: make during the Victorian days, where it's just a little
Speaker 1: book that you go to, like like a little posaurus,
Speaker 1: a little mictionary, a little you get the right index
Speaker 1: and put it in there and it'd be it would
Speaker 1: be great. I mean I am not organized enough to
Speaker 1: bet a mouthy enough to take well what about this?
Speaker 2: About that?
Speaker 1: I mean you know that I'm not organized, Chris, Chris Gally,
Speaker 1: I mean the best with all.
Speaker 4: The contact that you two have, could you I mean,
Speaker 4: how how how would you limit the group that would
Speaker 4: decide what would go in and what category?
Speaker 3: Because there's so many people. I mean, you guys have
Speaker 3: talked to so many people.
Speaker 4: I mean I'm limited into my discussions and interactions with
Speaker 4: people over the years, but you too have talked to so.
Speaker 3: Many and have been evolved in it long enough.
Speaker 4: How would you set a limit of like maybe ten
Speaker 4: people or five people.
Speaker 2: Or I would yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: And you could even divide it into each section, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you could the truth the life.
Speaker 4: You look at Walt Brown and you look at all
Speaker 4: these guys that have just all this knowledge in their
Speaker 4: head and categorize something very quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, because Gaale and I are both kind of Yeah,
Speaker 2: because Gayale and I are both kind of divisive a
Speaker 2: little bit among certain segments of the community. Let's just
Speaker 2: say to be nice, Yeah, we would need a very
Speaker 2: neutral guy along with us, like a third if we
Speaker 2: were to work this out, like somebody like Larry Hancock
Speaker 2: who nobody has a grudge against, Like somebody like that.
Speaker 2: We would need to bring him in and then yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: and we would have to invite people in that are divisive,
Speaker 2: people that aren't, people that are you know, under the radar.
Speaker 2: Some of these young kids are coming up with stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, we had a fourteen year old at the
Speaker 2: conference last year, and he's coming back by the way,
Speaker 2: and we also got a guy in his twenties that's
Speaker 2: going to be there. I mean, there are some younger
Speaker 2: people that are doing new work. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: the classic stuff which still stands up. I mean, there
Speaker 2: is a whole array of things that we should be
Speaker 2: able to accomplish in this way, and we could eight
Speaker 2: like the this is not the idiot's guide, but it
Speaker 2: is a guide book to the JFK assassination. Here's the
Speaker 2: provable ends of it, here's the questionable parts of it,
Speaker 2: and here is the this is nonsense and you need
Speaker 2: to know what's nonsense. And unfortunately that might be the
Speaker 2: biggest part of the book.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that'll be the hardest one. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be a part of that because well, yes I do,
Speaker 1: because I am divisive. When I see a liar, I
Speaker 1: say you're a liar.
Speaker 11: That's what I do.
Speaker 1: And and yes it's offsetting, and yes I can normally
Speaker 1: normally if I have it on the top of my
Speaker 1: body a bit. But I'll give you an example. There
Speaker 1: is a person who is big in the JFK community.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you her name, but she's
Speaker 1: really well known, does a lot of and is around
Speaker 1: it all the now. You know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: But this person played my grandfather's film on the city
Speaker 1: of Allen. They have JFK people there. I've never been there,
Speaker 1: but JFK people very pretty often yearly.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1: And she said, here's my film, and I'm watching it.
Speaker 1: I mean, because I've read her book. I mean, it
Speaker 1: took a while and I'm like, oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: my grandmother's film. That is not your film. And so
Speaker 1: I said to her, I said, do you realize if
Speaker 1: that had been your film, honey, you would have been
Speaker 1: so close, you would have been h d I mean
Speaker 1: in pictures. And you said that it wasn't good camera.
Speaker 1: I mean, but then you said it was. I don't
Speaker 1: it's not your film. Feats and desist. Stop now, and
Speaker 1: nieless is say. She has never spoken with me again.
Speaker 1: And part of my wonderful reputation in the community is
Speaker 1: that I picked on her. No, I called out what
Speaker 1: was true and what was fault. That's it. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't call her names. I didn't get ugly. I
Speaker 1: just said cease and desist. I could have been I
Speaker 1: could have been really ugly, and I didn't.
Speaker 2: So, and you were not wrong. You were no problem.
Speaker 2: You were not wrong in the least about that. And
Speaker 2: as I put you on hold, I'm just gonna make
Speaker 2: one comment and see what everybody thinks. And again I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna name the person, but I know exactly who
Speaker 2: you're talking about. I know the incident you're talking about.
Speaker 2: And she's not the only one who's done this either,
Speaker 2: who has tried to say that, oh, you know what,
Speaker 2: that is my film? That is Oh wait, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: on her behalf say that's her film, and I know
Speaker 2: it's orrible next film, And sometimes it's mixed in with
Speaker 2: the much more film, you know, and they splice those
Speaker 2: two together because they're similar in a way, but completely
Speaker 2: dissimilar if you know the quality of the damn thing,
Speaker 2: even when you're looking at the fifth generation copy, which
Speaker 2: you know is all we have. But okay, I know
Speaker 2: exactly what you're talking about, and Gail, I love this. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you on hold. We we're gonna go
Speaker 2: to a break at some point too. I think I'll
Speaker 2: go to one more caller and then we'll go to
Speaker 2: a break. Let everybody catch their breath and bring all
Speaker 2: the callers back back in unless new people join us.
Speaker 2: At three one nine five two seven five zero one six.
Speaker 2: That's three one nine five two seven five zero one six,
Speaker 2: and we'll go for at least an hour more tonight.
Speaker 2: There is no age of transitions after my show, so
Speaker 2: I can go over on the live stream a bit
Speaker 2: and if callers keep calling, that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: But my closing comment for this hour Gale just real
Speaker 2: fast is crazy.
Speaker 1: For a feeling.
Speaker 2: South sat and me crazy.
Speaker 1: I love you guys, and I love you guy.
Speaker 2: I hope you do. And now now there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of people who know exactly who we were just talking about.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it happens, and it is a spectacle, and
Speaker 2: uh yeah, there are plenty of characters in the Naked
Speaker 2: City of JFKL.
Speaker 1: My husband just walked in and said, quit telling other
Speaker 1: men you love them. He just walked in and tell them,
Speaker 1: do not say you love other men. That's what he's
Speaker 1: just been. Whatever. It's like a sister.
Speaker 2: It's like a sister. It's like a sister. You've already
Speaker 2: got her, that's that. It's like she's my sister, okay,
Speaker 2: and she is my spiritual sister in the war against
Speaker 2: the lies, nonsense, and obfuscation that her grandfather's film pill
Speaker 2: victim to and along with a whole lot of other things,
Speaker 2: including the truth overall. So Gail on hold, and I
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Speaker 2: let Jimmy James loose on the air, no.
Speaker 3: Go ahead and bring them out, all right.
Speaker 2: And we do have some news stories to get to
Speaker 2: a couple of things I wouldn't mind throwing out there,
Speaker 2: maybe real quick if we can, before we go into
Speaker 2: the back around to the callers. Unless we get new ones,
Speaker 2: so Jimmy, and then maybe some news and then the
Speaker 2: callers back around. That's the way I'm seeing it, And
Speaker 2: that'll probably kill almost another hour. I mean, easily forty
Speaker 2: five minutes that'll take, I'm sure, So let's see how
Speaker 2: it goes. Jimmy James, you're live on the Friday night
Speaker 2: open Mic. How you doing, man? What's on your mind?
Speaker 13: Everything you.
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 6: Go talking about?
Speaker 4: Beev?
Speaker 6: She just makes some good movies. Man, likes.
Speaker 2: You like that weird stagflick that I did I share
Speaker 2: with you? Did I share with you the promo stills
Speaker 2: from that?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 6: Yes, I have the little film.
Speaker 13: Thank you, Chuck.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Anyway, no no comment on any of that. And I
Speaker 2: have no objection to somebody, you know, making their living
Speaker 2: as an actress or wait, you're supposed to call them
Speaker 2: all actors now, right, isn't that politically correct? You can't
Speaker 2: call them actresses. They're all actors, whether they're male or female.
Speaker 2: So uh, I don't want to smear anybody's acting career. Anyways,
Speaker 2: Jimmy James, what's on what's on your mind?
Speaker 1: Brother?
Speaker 2: God performance? Yes?
Speaker 6: Uh, well, you know I missed part of the thing,
Speaker 6: but I heard Fale Nicks Jackson ask him, did you
Speaker 6: mention my little.
Speaker 2: Theory your theory? Which theory would that be, sir?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Why the CIA in particular don't want those documents to
Speaker 6: be released?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: I might have, But why don't you just reiterated for
Speaker 2: everybody go ahead.
Speaker 6: Well, mostly based on Major Newman's work, Gail, we know
Speaker 6: that there's some pretty high level Soviet moles. Bruce Soley
Speaker 6: was the boss to James Jesus Angleton, and he was
Speaker 6: a Soviet mole. James McCord who literally cost Watergate. He
Speaker 6: was a Soviet mole. Till O A G A g
Speaker 6: QBG two got paid millions of dollars. So we just
Speaker 6: we know that the whole CIA and really the bureaucracy
Speaker 6: was just ate up the Soviet moles. I mean, it's
Speaker 6: just turning out to be a fact. So I'm just
Speaker 6: trying to figure it out how this works into the
Speaker 6: whole JF case situation.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying, Jimmy, just to be clear, Sorry, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: just to be clear, what you're saying is maybe the
Speaker 2: reason for the cover up and the reason for not
Speaker 2: wanting to share the documentation is that it might be
Speaker 2: revealed to the American public that our entire intelligence community
Speaker 2: was fully infiltrated and saturated with Soviet moles. And maybe
Speaker 2: that's the thing they don't want the people to know
Speaker 2: that at the time of the Cold War, when we
Speaker 2: were supposed to have superiority and all that good stuff,
Speaker 2: that we were actually loaded up with all kinds of
Speaker 2: double agents and people going ahead and reporting to the Soviets.
Speaker 2: Is that your supposition, yes, it is.
Speaker 6: Usually put chuck very much. And like Jim McCord, his
Speaker 6: handler worked for the FBI, Pennington Lee Pennington, and it's
Speaker 6: my supposition that he also was a Soviet mole.
Speaker 5: So it's the whole.
Speaker 6: Bureaucracy, I think. And you think about these LBJ tapes
Speaker 6: and all the documents and stuff. These people were scared
Speaker 6: to death. They were going to go to war with Russia.
Speaker 6: This was the constant theme, right if you listen to
Speaker 6: these LBJ tapes, especially when he talks to Hoober. And
Speaker 6: as Professor Melan has pointed out, who is running the
Speaker 6: cover up? Who is the driving force? How could have
Speaker 6: any of this even happen? Sad to say it was
Speaker 6: RFK RFK led to cover up. I know that's hard
Speaker 6: to hear. People don't like to hear that, but that's
Speaker 6: the truth.
Speaker 2: Well, and there you go. You have even the public
Speaker 2: declarations where you're talking about with this whole fear of
Speaker 2: war with the Soviets. You know that this is allegedly
Speaker 2: exactly the thing that he brought the Chief Justice of
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court to tears with, right, is making him
Speaker 2: feel responsible. Listen, if we don't figure out a way
Speaker 2: to put a lid on this with the Warren Commission,
Speaker 2: Earl Warren, you know, we may be faced with a
Speaker 2: serious war here, right, put your uniform back on again.
Speaker 2: All these sentiments right, right.
Speaker 6: And everyone's always a fired Oh he was just putting
Speaker 6: the moves.
Speaker 11: On the old guy.
Speaker 1: No LBJ and these people.
Speaker 6: Were very much scared that there is going to be war.
Speaker 6: That's clear from the documents. I think when you say, Chuck, well,
Speaker 6: you know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about that as a
Speaker 2: prevailing theory. Is it a possibility? I imagine it is,
Speaker 2: But you know, is it, you know, one of these
Speaker 2: things that has the weight of the evidence on its
Speaker 2: side Altogether? I'm not sure, but it's just as reasonable.
Speaker 6: The man's own brother, the man's own brother say yeah,
Speaker 6: we got to put his cap.
Speaker 2: On this well, some other malfeasance that was maybe committed
Speaker 2: by that administration, his brother directly, or even himself, that
Speaker 2: he wanted to keep, you know, out of anybody's hands.
Speaker 2: Let's keep this secret, even from other parts of the government.
Speaker 2: There's a possibility is maybe they were doing things they
Speaker 2: really shouldn't have been doing. And it's stuff that we
Speaker 2: have yet to even hear about, you know, outside of
Speaker 2: the Cuban sabotage and those programs. I mean, there's a
Speaker 2: lot worse things that the Kennedy administration could have been
Speaker 2: involved in that maybe we still don't know. And I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to go for the dark side of Camelot here,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that why not open your mind to
Speaker 2: that possibility as well, right, just to simply protect his
Speaker 2: brother and himself, maybe it was like, look, they can't
Speaker 2: be digging into this too much because it'll lead to
Speaker 2: these other things that still history has not recorded even
Speaker 2: sixty years later. There's a possibility right there that doesn't
Speaker 2: have anything to do with the Soviets necessarily, It might
Speaker 2: have to do with the Kennedy family. You know, so,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just throwing it out as they yet
Speaker 2: another logical possibility. Jimmy, what do you think.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if Trump actually does get elect that
Speaker 6: those papers probably would get released that I think RFK
Speaker 6: juniors to be the DCI.
Speaker 1: But at this time, I have to I'm not feeling
Speaker 1: too good about Trump's chance straight.
Speaker 2: I still, I gotta tell you, I still feel like
Speaker 2: he's in there and you just got to wait for
Speaker 2: the enthusiasm for Kamala to die off. And it will.
Speaker 2: I think it will by the time people go to
Speaker 2: the voting booth. So you know, that's that's where it's at.
Speaker 2: And the people that are with Trump are with Trump.
Speaker 2: I mean, I even did a show recently in what
Speaker 2: I call trump Landia over there with a host guy
Speaker 2: used to be on this show all the time. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you remember him, Roger Landry, the head
Speaker 2: of the Liberty Beacon Project, right, And yes, they're all
Speaker 2: in on Trump and all about you know, the existential
Speaker 2: threat of Kamala and all that, and that's where he's at.
Speaker 2: And you know, I did a whole show with him
Speaker 2: pretty much, you know, talking about we still need to
Speaker 2: continue the work when it comes to the JFK assassination
Speaker 2: because something of significance was stolen from this country on
Speaker 2: that day. Uh, you know. And some people are starting
Speaker 2: to push back against the thing that is key to me,
Speaker 2: which is the Vietnam War even happening. Uh you know,
Speaker 2: they say, well, you can't say that that wouldn't happen
Speaker 2: if JFK was still in office. Well not definitively, but
Speaker 2: it sure looks like that wasn't going to happen, you know,
Speaker 2: if JFK had lived. But you know, here we go.
Speaker 2: Are we going to continue to argue about it? Or
Speaker 2: are we going to get down to it? And I
Speaker 2: think we need to get down to it more and more.
Speaker 2: And the more of the original documentation, the original films,
Speaker 2: the original everything we can get our hands on, the better.
Speaker 2: But is it going to be the secrets are going
Speaker 2: to be in the government vaults? Probably not. There's going
Speaker 2: to have to be something else that needs to be
Speaker 2: added in here in my mind, but anyway, that's my
Speaker 2: way of looking at it.
Speaker 6: The idea of you know, like everyone's saying, there should
Speaker 6: be some kind of prime That's kind of what I
Speaker 6: thought one of you guys be talking about book back thinking,
Speaker 6: a book with absolutely what's known to be one hundred
Speaker 6: percent back right, suppose snow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's your hundred percent facts, here's some pretty good
Speaker 2: ideas about stuff, and here's the terrible stuff. Like give
Speaker 2: them all three stages in one little handbook that gives
Speaker 2: them a guide to be able to navigate this stuff,
Speaker 2: and produced by a committee of reliable and responsible people.
Speaker 2: You know, I would love to be involved in overseeing it,
Speaker 2: but I don't think I'm worthy of contributing to it
Speaker 2: very much. I think there's other people that have done
Speaker 2: more work than me, have done better work than me,
Speaker 2: and have done specific work on certain areas that I
Speaker 2: might have touched on. But look, I mean, I couldn't
Speaker 2: devote twenty years to one thing some people have, you know.
Speaker 6: Honestly, maybe the wise thing to do would be to
Speaker 6: get an out.
Speaker 3: A person to.
Speaker 6: Look at it, who stood at took together the information,
Speaker 6: like trying to say, well.
Speaker 2: You're probably thinking that we should have you know, two
Speaker 2: arbitrary like historians, or at least one on the team
Speaker 2: there who doesn't have a dog in the fight either way,
Speaker 2: that just sort of wants to preserve the history and
Speaker 2: doesn't have you know, an agenda, like just a straight
Speaker 2: historian who's not convinced one way or the other. That
Speaker 2: kind of guy would be extremely helpful on this team.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, the opposite of us or Posner or Room
Speaker 6: or anyone that thinks that the warm reports true.
Speaker 2: Right, somebody who looks at this and goes, look, you
Speaker 2: both have valid points, but we need to get down to,
Speaker 2: you know, the basic reality, which is, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, this thing only happened one way. Several
Speaker 2: things could have happened during this one way circumstance. But
Speaker 2: you know what, there's a lot of things that need
Speaker 2: to be just eliminated and cleared away so that we
Speaker 2: have what is reliably possible first and what is known.
Speaker 2: And if you put those two things together and clearly
Speaker 2: define and clear away the brush, you know, the the
Speaker 2: debris of nonsense that has also been spread around, to
Speaker 2: be clear that stuff all away, definitively, you might have
Speaker 2: something very valuable in one particular piece of work. So
Speaker 2: whether it's a film or it's a or it's a book,
Speaker 2: or it's a guide book, or it's both. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: a small program. Here's your book that goes along with
Speaker 2: your film. You know, put these two things together and
Speaker 2: you have an excellent course on the assassin, so that
Speaker 2: somebody could kind of come in and get a crash course.
Speaker 2: Here's known facts, here's pretty good ideas, and here's the nonsense,
Speaker 2: which would not be a bad primer like you were saying.
Speaker 2: So I think it's an excellent idea, Jimmy, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I like how Gale mentioned it could be almost like
Speaker 6: an index, so he can actually find things. I'm like, say,
Speaker 6: the worm commissioner.
Speaker 2: Right, right, and commission.
Speaker 6: This has been ruled on James or Judge Garris since
Speaker 6: during his trial in his DA worn commission reports nothing
Speaker 6: but hearsay. That's been the legal opinion. And they're right.
Speaker 6: It's a one way prosecutorial document and it's garbage. So mind,
Speaker 6: what I'm trying to do is come up with an
Speaker 6: opposite document.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is where a standard of evidence needs
Speaker 2: to be adhere to and all of that. I mean,
Speaker 2: it would be quite a piece of work. It's not
Speaker 2: something we could throw together in like two months. You know,
Speaker 2: it would be quite a piece of work to vet
Speaker 2: and carefully assess every single thing that goes into it,
Speaker 2: so that we would have a very very valuable primer,
Speaker 2: as you said, So I think that would be great. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we didn't get any new callers, b Pete, but Jimmy
Speaker 2: still on the line. We still have Gail and Danny
Speaker 2: hanging on. So where should we go from here, sir?
Speaker 2: Should we do a little news or what do you
Speaker 2: want to do next?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, we've got a few stories here. We
Speaker 4: put on put one link in the room there. This
Speaker 4: is probably the top story that just baffled me all week.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna put you on hold, Jimmy, but we'll
Speaker 2: come back around to you. Okay, So I'll put you
Speaker 2: on hold and we will get back around to every caller.
Speaker 2: So Jimmy's on hold, and yeah, we'll just glide through
Speaker 2: some of these interesting points of information in the news cycle.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, be Pete.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this one florided me when I heard it. I
Speaker 4: couldn't believe that. I mean that it happened this way.
Speaker 4: Apparently a woman in Tempe, Arizona, went to work at
Speaker 4: Wells Fargo Bank on Friday morning, and she scanned herselfie
Speaker 4: and I don't know they used slight ideas or what. Anyway,
Speaker 4: she was scanned into work. No scans of her leaving work.
Speaker 3: They found her on.
Speaker 4: Tuesday dead in her cubicle, and they estimate that she
Speaker 4: died Friday. This place has twenty four hours security. Okay,
Speaker 4: uh uh, you know you're up on the third floor.
Speaker 4: It should be so isolated that no one even goes
Speaker 4: by your cubicle for four days.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Yeah, how in the world. Okay, let me get
Speaker 2: this straight, because we had a little little minor electronic
Speaker 2: glitch there for a second. What you're saying is what
Speaker 2: day was it that she was last seen and when
Speaker 2: did they discover Let me let me get a handle
Speaker 2: on this again.
Speaker 4: She scanned into work Friday morning, Okay, Friday morning, and
Speaker 4: she didn't Yeah, she didn't log outs, didn't scan out,
Speaker 4: so she didn't go home. Well, they found her Tuesday morning,
Speaker 4: but it was after, you know, she'd been there the
Speaker 4: whole weekend. They think she died on Friday based on
Speaker 4: the initial reports, he says. A tempting police said they
Speaker 4: received a call from a coworker on Tuesday after they
Speaker 4: noticed the foul smell in their office and followed it
Speaker 4: to find six.
Speaker 3: Ste Herold Denise Prudeholm's body.
Speaker 16: Oh boys, she stand in her id to get into
Speaker 16: the building the friday before, but there were no scams
Speaker 16: in or out after that, and several of the employees
Speaker 16: reported that they, you know, there was a strong odor,
Speaker 16: so they tracked it down.
Speaker 3: I put the link to this Sidney room if anybody
Speaker 3: wants to go watch the coverage from Chicago. But I
Speaker 3: just thought it was strange because it could go four
Speaker 3: days and nobody finds you.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's proof positive that there's more strange
Speaker 2: things going on in Chicago than a gunplay. But uh,
Speaker 2: how do you sit there? I mean, nobody bothered to
Speaker 2: look in on her. That is a weird situation. Like
Speaker 2: how isolated are you at work that nobody goes to
Speaker 2: look at you all that time? BPTE? I mean, that's
Speaker 2: what do you say to that? Hello? Oh h hmm,
Speaker 2: all right, something has happened here and I'm not sure
Speaker 2: what and I can't hear be Pete. So maybe why
Speaker 2: can't I hear be Pete? This is strange. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you guys can hear me, but I'm not
Speaker 2: hearing you now hmm.
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Speaker 2: To Chuck o'chelly.
Speaker 6: You're Sucker Shelley.
Speaker 5: You know it's chauncra Shelley.
Speaker 17: You are about doing Martin uponament ring husay. The eyes
Speaker 17: of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers
Speaker 17: of liberty loving people everywhere march with you, in company
Speaker 17: with our brave allies and brothers in arms on the
Speaker 17: other front.
Speaker 14: Your task will not see an easy one. Your enemy is.
Speaker 17: Well trained, well equipped, and battle heart. He will fight
Speaker 17: that man demand.
Speaker 14: The title turn.
Speaker 2: The freemen of the world are marching together to the
Speaker 2: good luck and let it all be.
Speaker 17: I'm Almighty God, upon this great and noble undertaking.
Speaker 2: Little minor technical failure, we should be back on the
Speaker 2: air at Ochelly dot com. Still got my callers, Jimmy
Speaker 2: James dropped off the line. He probably didn't know what happened.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what happened for a minute. Uh, we
Speaker 2: were all gone, it like we were disconnected there momentarily.
Speaker 2: So the question I asked before we went dead was, uh, BP,
Speaker 2: what is going on with this lady?
Speaker 1: Was?
Speaker 2: You know she was found days later? What is that about?
Speaker 2: I mean they didn't find her for all those days
Speaker 2: when she like and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and apparently security going through and checking the buildings
Speaker 4: on the weekends.
Speaker 3: I mean they have to rotate each towards and they
Speaker 3: didn't find her either.
Speaker 2: Wow. So what kind of job you have where you're
Speaker 2: that isolated that nobody sees you over the weekend, you know,
Speaker 2: all day Friday and Monday. Finally on Tuesday they called
Speaker 2: and said, you know, something stinks in here. I mean
Speaker 2: that's is that right?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is the opposite of what usually happens.
Speaker 4: You know, usually someone doesn't show up to work on
Speaker 4: Monday and people are.
Speaker 3: Calling, right, oh, so and so it's not a work
Speaker 3: and you go check, you know, do a welfare check.
Speaker 4: Well, she didn't show up to work Mondays because she
Speaker 4: was still logged in at being at work.
Speaker 3: So they figured that she was up and her cubicle
Speaker 3: just working away.
Speaker 2: Wow. So nobody noticed her at work. Usually people notice
Speaker 2: when you didn't go to work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there, nobody noticed her until she started smellling a
Speaker 4: little earthy.
Speaker 2: Wow. Oh man, that's that's rough, I mean, bizarre story.
Speaker 2: But like I said, I guess not the only weird
Speaker 2: thing in Chicago isn't just the gunplay. You know, everybody
Speaker 2: talks about that's pretty weird right there.
Speaker 4: It's kind of strange though, because they you know, they
Speaker 4: said there was a strong odor and they thought it
Speaker 4: was a problem with the plumbing. Now, you know a
Speaker 4: lot of people have never smelt something being dead, especially
Speaker 4: a person. It's a totally different smell than the plumbing.
Speaker 3: It's bad, I mean, but.
Speaker 4: This is weird that you know, she comes to work Friday,
Speaker 4: so she had interactions with people during the day or
Speaker 4: she was doing work. I'm trying to see if I
Speaker 4: can find out how they figured out about what time
Speaker 4: she died unless it was just through riga mortis and everything,
Speaker 4: but like, was her important, you know, was her computer
Speaker 4: still on well?
Speaker 3: Or have a time of her last entry. That's the
Speaker 3: weird thing.
Speaker 4: Security goes through for Saturday, Sunday, everybody was back at
Speaker 4: work on Monday.
Speaker 3: Nobody checked on her.
Speaker 2: Frankly, Rigor Mortis probably.
Speaker 4: Work on Tuesday, and nobody checked on her rights for
Speaker 4: the smell.
Speaker 2: So Rigor Mortis probably came and went already, and now
Speaker 2: she's still starting to rot. I mean, as terrible as
Speaker 2: that is, I know.
Speaker 4: God, I hope hell somebody finds me before four days
Speaker 4: if I'm at work and I.
Speaker 2: Die, especially here in the South where it's hot all
Speaker 2: the time. I mean, not good, not good.
Speaker 4: If you passed away coffee, coffee with grounds, wouldn't even burn.
Speaker 3: Coffee, wouldn't cover that smell.
Speaker 6: Now it is.
Speaker 2: It is a distinctive and terrible smell. Unfortunately I am
Speaker 2: familiar with it. Oh my god. Anyways, other weird stories
Speaker 2: that I had.
Speaker 3: I got another naked news story here you dropped yours
Speaker 3: in the room. And the other one here is naked
Speaker 3: carjacker reaks havoc on the streets of Iowa.
Speaker 4: And this is a MZ story apparently, And I saved
Speaker 4: this the other week when I read I thought, hop
Speaker 4: naked news.
Speaker 3: This is truly naked. It's not fringe.
Speaker 4: They have video of this guy running wild on the
Speaker 4: streets of Iowa and hijacking a car before he was arrested,
Speaker 4: and they got the guy's mumpshop up here. It says
Speaker 4: the man identified as Tyler Merle Johnson sprints around downtown
Speaker 4: Des Moines in the buff in the early hours of
Speaker 4: Tuesday before diving into an open car window, totally freaking
Speaker 4: out the driver.
Speaker 3: I can see what that would freak somebody out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, that almost reminds me of the night that
Speaker 2: missus O went to Wendy's and we got treated. Remember
Speaker 2: I showed you the pictures of that lady that just
Speaker 2: started stripping at the Wendy's driving and it was craziness.
Speaker 2: We actually got filming at It was not a pleasant
Speaker 2: sight anybody that's getting excited about thinking about it. It
Speaker 2: was not a lady that you'd want to see stripping.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Apparently this guy dives into the window and the
Speaker 4: owner of the car it's in a fight with him.
Speaker 4: He's standing outside the naked guy, and they have footage
Speaker 4: of all this. The naked guy it slams it in
Speaker 4: reverse and takes off and the cops chase and then
Speaker 4: they caught up with him after getting crashed into a tree.
Speaker 2: Wow. So the naked guy dives into the car and
Speaker 2: fights with the guy and this is how he carjacked.
Speaker 2: That is something you're willing to carjack naked? I mean
Speaker 2: talking about fearless. I mean, well, it's got to be hard.
Speaker 4: I don't understand criminals doing stuff naked because most criminals
Speaker 4: are going to have a gun or a pry bar
Speaker 4: to break into something, and when you're naked, you just
Speaker 4: got nowhere to put your tools.
Speaker 3: It's got to be inconvenient as hell.
Speaker 2: There's one thing sure, No pockets definitely a drawback. I mean,
Speaker 2: and some people are loud and proud. I mean maybe
Speaker 2: they just want to show off. They got something to
Speaker 2: show off. I don't know. What can I tell you?
Speaker 2: We gone through and naked News is a regular feature,
Speaker 2: or at least a semi regular feature on here. We
Speaker 2: have run into a bunch of times where it's like,
Speaker 2: why is this person naked? Like I can't even come
Speaker 2: up with a reasonable purpose for why they're naked. In
Speaker 2: some cases, carjacking is one of those cases. I would
Speaker 2: think that having clothing on would be to your advantage carjacking.
Speaker 4: You know, that's like the guy that we started the
Speaker 4: naked news with the guy in assphole that's still waiting
Speaker 4: on you know, eighty seven charges.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my question is this, how did he get naked?
Speaker 3: I've not been able to.
Speaker 4: I have sent emails to a couple of reporters to
Speaker 4: ask the guy that question if they get in sense,
Speaker 4: how did he get naked? It would force him to
Speaker 4: try to break into a house with a ring doorbell
Speaker 4: or a camper and steal somebody's car. What did he
Speaker 4: get naked before he went on the rampage or did
Speaker 4: he find himself in a situation where he was naked.
Speaker 4: He's just trying to get hold. That's the part I
Speaker 4: don't get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows. I mean maybe you know there was
Speaker 2: some terrible thing that happened to his clothes and he
Speaker 2: had to ditch him. I mean, did anybody ever find
Speaker 2: his clothes? We never got that answer.
Speaker 4: Oh, and I can't believe the story. The local media
Speaker 4: out there has dropped this story. The guy's got to
Speaker 4: have a record for having the most charges of waiting
Speaker 4: the longest before he ever goes to court.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what two years years now? Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: been like over two years. But I've told you before,
Speaker 2: even regular non bizarre charges. Some people sit for two
Speaker 2: three years waiting to go to court, waiting to go
Speaker 2: to trial, and sometimes you know, and he hasn't made bail,
Speaker 2: this guy, right, so you know, no bail hotel.
Speaker 4: Well you know, well because one of his charges is
Speaker 4: trying to run over a deputy sheriff with a stolen car.
Speaker 2: Right, so that's one of those major felonies. They'll hold
Speaker 2: you or give you no bail. Maybe. Anyway, naked news
Speaker 2: is a weird thing. And I got I got even stranger,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I did drop these into the chat room already,
Speaker 2: and I think I could just go with the headline
Speaker 2: on the one story and leave it at that, although
Speaker 2: there is video apparently connected to this. And this is
Speaker 2: from the Daily Mail, you know the Daily Mail paper
Speaker 2: there in the UK, And this was published on August sixteenth, okay,
Speaker 2: and here's the headline. Russian tourist who tried to rape
Speaker 2: a cow is gored by the animal and has to
Speaker 2: be rescued by stunned tie police. So this is in Thailand,
Speaker 2: and yeah, the police had to come and rescue him
Speaker 2: from the angry cow. Apparently he had the idea to
Speaker 2: go violate a bull and then he saw the cow
Speaker 2: and thought better of messing with the bull and decided
Speaker 2: to go after the cow, and the cow took vengeance
Speaker 2: upon him and was really beating him up pretty good.
Speaker 2: And if you see the pictures of this, it's pretty outrageous.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say to that story.
Speaker 2: B what do you have any comment?
Speaker 4: You know, the way it was described. I noticed this
Speaker 4: was a Daily Mail story. The way they describe it.
Speaker 4: She was performing a sex act. Now, what can you
Speaker 4: do with a trout?
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's a different story.
Speaker 3: Oh you doing this the cow one?
Speaker 2: I was doing the cow one? Yeah, no, the other? Okay, cow?
Speaker 3: You know, what do you look for in a cow?
Speaker 1: If you're going I don't know.
Speaker 3: Seriously, if you're gonna you know, if you're gonna woo
Speaker 3: a cow, what do you look for?
Speaker 5: Is it the eyes?
Speaker 3: I mean, are you a are you a butt man
Speaker 3: or a leg man? I mean, what's the deal?
Speaker 2: Or is it the utter being that you know? Despite
Speaker 2: the fact that some people would say that maybe I
Speaker 2: was involved with somebody who could be described as a cow,
Speaker 2: I have never been with a cow, so I do
Speaker 2: not know. Sorry, go ahead, yeah, this was a pool. Well, no, see,
Speaker 2: that's the weird thing. He went after a bull to
Speaker 2: start with, but the cow gored him to see that.
Speaker 2: That's the other weird part of the story is that
Speaker 2: he was going to go after a bullet and he
Speaker 2: saw the cow there too, and went over to the
Speaker 2: cow and decided to try that instead.
Speaker 4: Uh the you know, the guy could have been messing
Speaker 4: with the cow's man there well, and the cow.
Speaker 2: Nailed him with those little you know, those little buds
Speaker 2: they get on their head, like, was really getting them
Speaker 2: bad and battering him pretty bad. Like like it says
Speaker 2: the police actually had to save him from the cow.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, she definitely was definitely saying no
Speaker 2: means no. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, it's weird. I guess he picked well. And
Speaker 3: the picture he says here is said to have stripped off.
Speaker 4: And sidled over to a male bull before turning his
Speaker 4: attention to a female tied to a wooden fence.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying. He started with the bull
Speaker 2: and then went over and said, oh no, wait, there's
Speaker 2: a cow here that's better. Well, that's what he did.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. It takes all times to make
Speaker 3: this world go.
Speaker 2: I have no explanations for it. I'm just telling you
Speaker 2: what the story said. I mean, you know, what can
Speaker 2: I do? And this was in Thailand, which is probably
Speaker 2: really weird. I mean, look, they have harsher laws there
Speaker 2: right in a lot of cases. I'm thinking they might
Speaker 2: be rougher on him than say, if this happened in
Speaker 2: you know, dairy country here. Anyway, the other weird story,
Speaker 2: well we'll just jump to the other headline and see
Speaker 2: what you make of this. Anybody listening to a woman? Okay?
Speaker 2: And this again was published this month. These are not
Speaker 2: old stories. Nineteenth of August. Okay. A woman who was
Speaker 2: allegedly filmed performing a sex act with a live brown
Speaker 2: trout on a boat faces court. Okay, so Catherine June
Speaker 2: Lee fifty eight. I'm sure she's very proud that they
Speaker 2: published her middle name too. From Hobart suburbs of Howden,
Speaker 2: I guess faces three charges in relation to bestiality material
Speaker 2: allegedly produced between February twenty two, twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 2: January of twenty twenty three. So this material was produced
Speaker 2: over an eleven month time period, just to be clear.
Speaker 2: And she is charged with one count of possession of
Speaker 2: a bality product and two counts of making a reproducing
Speaker 2: a bestiality product. Dressed in a black suit, Lee appeared
Speaker 2: in Hobart Magistrate's Court on Monday seeking for an adjournment
Speaker 2: without plea. The magistrate Grantedly an adjournment until October. The
Speaker 2: Mercury Excuse Me reported police alleged the disturbing film showed
Speaker 2: Lee lying on a boat at sea somewhere near Tasmania's
Speaker 2: south as her male co accused used a live brown
Speaker 2: trout to perform a sex act on her. So there's
Speaker 2: your answer with how that was done, you know, without
Speaker 2: getting graphic. B Pete, are you there? Did I lose
Speaker 2: you again? Oh boy? All right, Well, something strange is
Speaker 2: going on here. Let me see if I can bring
Speaker 2: back around. Let's see if we can get Danny back on,
Speaker 2: see if it's a problem with B Pete. Danny, can
Speaker 2: you hear me? M all right? I don't know if
Speaker 2: you guys are hearing me live. I don't know what's
Speaker 2: going on, but apparently I have a technical issue here
Speaker 2: and I want to bring everybody back around on the call.
Speaker 2: And I think I'm still broadcasting, so I might have
Speaker 2: to once again, drop out of the Skype call and
Speaker 2: try and bring this back around and connect to broadcast.
Speaker 2: Know what's going on though, folks, so uhhh.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is the first time this has happened ever.
Speaker 2: This weird kind of glitch that's occurring here with my
Speaker 2: software that's just locking up and knocking out the phone calls,
Speaker 2: and I have to keep reconnecting myself. So b Pete,
Speaker 2: you're with me, right, Yeah, I'm all right. So we're
Speaker 2: going to try and finish it out with this and uh,
Speaker 2: well we'll continue on a little past ten pm. But
Speaker 2: I want to thank Gail Nick Jackson for joining us,
Speaker 2: and also Danny and Jimmy James. Danny is still hanging
Speaker 2: on the line, so I'm going to bring him back
Speaker 2: in in a moment. But I was trying to cover
Speaker 2: this this other news story here, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: try it again because apparently every time we go into
Speaker 2: this naked news stuff, it's crazy, uh, and something goes wrong.
Speaker 2: But you have an update actually on our original naked
Speaker 2: news guy, So uh, why don't you give that out
Speaker 2: before we go back to Danny and see how this goes.
Speaker 2: You can still join us, by the way, three one
Speaker 2: nine five two seven five zero one six. The phone
Speaker 2: lines have not gone down, just my connection to them
Speaker 2: is has crapped out. Uh and my connection to be
Speaker 2: Pete simultaneously somehow, uh and I wound up on air
Speaker 2: with nothing, so I had to go to break anyway,
Speaker 2: We're back. You have an update. I still got Danny
Speaker 2: on the line three one nine five two seven five
Speaker 2: zero one six. Still you can call in, so be Pete.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The update on the original naked news guy, go ahead, Yeah,
Speaker 2: James Cody Picard.
Speaker 4: I did a search while we were off air before
Speaker 4: to see his core calendar and he wasn't listed.
Speaker 3: So I did a quick search and uh hold ABC thirteen.
Speaker 4: News in Asheville, says an Ashville man have broken the
Speaker 4: homes in twenty twenty one while naked will spend at
Speaker 4: least seven years in prison after pleading guilty to several
Speaker 4: felony charges on Wednesday in Buncom County Superior Court.
Speaker 3: Apparently I love that.
Speaker 4: James Cody McCard, thirty eight, was sentenced by Buncome County
Speaker 4: Superior Court Judge Steve Warren to serve a minimum active
Speaker 4: term of eighty eight months, which is seven year four
Speaker 4: months and a maximum term of one hundred and eighteen months,
Speaker 4: which is nearly ten years.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: In the North Caroline Department of Adult Correction in Raleigh,
Speaker 4: according to a news release from Buncomee County District Attorney
Speaker 4: Todd Williams. And they've got a quick little ring video
Speaker 4: that shows how he was caught. He pled guilty to felony,
Speaker 4: breaking and entering felony, first degree burglary, felony, attempted first
Speaker 4: degree burglary, l ony, fled to a loot to rest
Speaker 4: with the motor vehicle, felony, larceny, felony, breaking and entering
Speaker 4: of a motor vehicle, felony, possession of a stolen vehicle, misdemeanor,
Speaker 4: simple assault, felling, the attempted common law robbery, fell in
Speaker 4: your possession of a stolen motor vehicle, felling, the assault
Speaker 4: with a deadly weapon on a government official, and other charges.
Speaker 2: Wow. Two or three mouthfuls of charges there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's the total I got was like forty
Speaker 4: two charges listed on the court calendar, So a lot
Speaker 4: of those got tossed just to get him to plead guilty.
Speaker 4: I think they were waiting for him to finally agree
Speaker 4: to a plea agreement. And that's what took so long,
Speaker 4: because he's been in jail since this happened in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, and so they caught him in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: So he's had seven hundred days of pre trial incarceration
Speaker 4: which will go towards a sentence.
Speaker 3: But he's going to be in a horse gown for
Speaker 3: a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so two years he's already sat. So if he
Speaker 2: does seven, he's got five more to go. Yikes. I mean,
Speaker 2: what a crazy story that guy was, and all these
Speaker 2: things are crazy stories. Anyhow, I tried to get through
Speaker 2: the woman with the fish. I answered your question. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you heard it. Did you hear that part? Well,
Speaker 2: it turns out that she has a co conspirator that
Speaker 2: was a male that used the fish to perform the
Speaker 2: act upon her, and they they recorded it, and we're
Speaker 2: you know, in possession of said video. So there's the
Speaker 2: crime and there it is. And it was somewhere near
Speaker 2: the south part of Tasmania that this occurred and that's
Speaker 2: what the deal is on that. So that's where the
Speaker 2: you know, sex act with the trout comes in.
Speaker 3: Is that a normal thing down under I cannot.
Speaker 2: Speak to that. I know we have a couple of
Speaker 2: Australian listeners. I don't know if they're listening tonight, but
Speaker 2: I don't think that in that area of the world
Speaker 2: this is normal, or any area a planet Earth, probably,
Speaker 2: but who knows what people get up to anymore, Man,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. I mean again, so
Speaker 2: there's your bizarre triple header of naked news. Actually quadruple
Speaker 2: oh no, triple header. Yeah, triple header of naked news
Speaker 2: and an update on the originator, the first one right,
Speaker 2: the Vanguard of Naked News BPE.
Speaker 3: So I guess I ought have said the guy a letter,
Speaker 3: let him know he's famous, let him know.
Speaker 2: On several occasions during our callon show, we have gone
Speaker 2: back and look to see if you've been charged or whatever,
Speaker 2: and we studied your case you started.
Speaker 3: I need to ask him.
Speaker 4: I'll just email him and ask him. Can I ask
Speaker 4: a question, how did you get naked in the first place?
Speaker 4: It was a result of circumstances or did you feel
Speaker 4: like that would be well, that's the break into the
Speaker 4: house is easier.
Speaker 2: You could finally just ask the go straight to the
Speaker 2: source and say, look, man, we have one question. We've
Speaker 2: been talking about you for almost two years on a
Speaker 2: podcast off and on, and we have a question that's
Speaker 2: just nagging at us this whole time. How is it
Speaker 2: that you came to be naked in the first place?
Speaker 2: Because nobody's reporting that part.
Speaker 3: Because I wonder if they let you use skype in prison.
Speaker 3: We got to get this guy on the show.
Speaker 2: Try and get him on the show. I don't know
Speaker 2: if we'll be able to get him on a Friday
Speaker 2: night though. In prison. I mean that that's a lot.
Speaker 3: It's not like he's got a lot to do. Well, no,
Speaker 3: but I don't got nowhere to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know if they'll allow him out
Speaker 2: at eight o'clock at night to you know, come on
Speaker 2: and be on a Skype call or a phone call
Speaker 2: at eight o'clock at night. I don't know what most prisons.
Speaker 3: I don't know us a computer and you know, maybe
Speaker 3: he can skype us from his cell. I'll have to
Speaker 3: check into this.
Speaker 1: I'll do some checking.
Speaker 2: Well, there you have it. I mean, if you go
Speaker 2: after it, you get him on the show, that would
Speaker 2: definitely be a worthy guest for a Friday night. Is
Speaker 2: the originator of Naked News the first guy we ever
Speaker 2: covered here. He is and he can tell the entire
Speaker 2: audience and oh, I have a confirmation from an Australian listener,
Speaker 2: so he's in the same area of the world as
Speaker 2: as the fish lady here. And his quote exactly his
Speaker 2: first time I've heard of anyone violating a trout, TAZZI
Speaker 2: is weird. Didn't think it was that weird. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what he said. Thank you, Ray from down Under. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so how's that? Never heard of that before? Tasmania is weird.
Speaker 2: But he didn't think it was that weird, So thank you.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess we could pose that question to Jimmy
Speaker 4: and is Danny still with us?
Speaker 2: Not only Danny is still with us. We lost Gail
Speaker 2: and we lost Jimmy in the in the problems with
Speaker 2: the phones, and it really wasn't a problem with the phones.
Speaker 2: The phone stayed connected. But I think suddenly they didn't
Speaker 2: hear me, so they probably hung up, you know, So
Speaker 2: sorry guys.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's question we posed to Danny. Was
Speaker 3: the weirdest thing he's ever seen or done with a trout?
Speaker 2: Okay? Or maybe does he think this is normal somewhere
Speaker 2: in the world. We could ask him that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know he was talking about something that was, you know,
Speaker 2: deep and interesting and meaningful to him earlier. But yeah,
Speaker 2: let's ask him the fish question first. So Danny about
Speaker 2: the trout? What do you what are your thoughts any
Speaker 2: thoughts on this stuff?
Speaker 5: Here's my thoughts. Please don't ruin my memories of fishing
Speaker 5: with my grandfather in Washington. Please, features of my brother
Speaker 5: and I child were counting the fish and there's like
Speaker 5: twenty trout. They're beautiful, but no way did anybody want
Speaker 5: to violate? And I wanted my grandmother to cook them.
Speaker 5: They were delicious.
Speaker 2: Don't ruin my memories of trout.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I have great memories as the child my grandfather,
Speaker 5: my father and my old wolf and want the state
Speaker 5: to wash. And there was I mean, he was just
Speaker 5: he was just it was like, oh it was it
Speaker 5: was good, good times. But the only thing I can
Speaker 5: think of, like strange? Is this anything? Remember the show
Speaker 5: Fridays they had these they were called they called themselves Transphibians.
Speaker 2: I know nothing, No, I don't a show called Fridays.
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 5: It was kind of a spin up on Saturday Live.
Speaker 5: It was called Friday, and they remember that these guys
Speaker 5: were yeah, they were they were humans. They were fish
Speaker 5: trapped in a human body. And they went to like
Speaker 5: a butcher store and they're like flopping on the butcher's table.
Speaker 5: There's this transphibian there before they cut up a fish,
Speaker 5: is like take me instead. I just remember that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they're transphibians.
Speaker 2: So they were they were trans species. Uh yeah, ok, yeah, wow, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's all there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but oh that's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you can get if you did get the
Speaker 5: naked guy on there on on Skype or or we
Speaker 5: could start like a like a ten power or something,
Speaker 5: you know, communicating that would that would probably have just
Speaker 5: an entertainment.
Speaker 2: Well, the original naked news guy. Yeah, the original naked
Speaker 2: news guy. That would be worth it. Even if we
Speaker 2: got to like buy him Skype credit or something to
Speaker 2: be able to call us from jail, right, that that
Speaker 2: would be worth it.
Speaker 5: Uh, And Aaron to make a tied iye pixelated shirt
Speaker 5: of him, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: Well it's still the still off that video of him
Speaker 4: and naked in the ring camera.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me we need to make a naked
Speaker 2: news T shirt? Is that what you're telling me, uh,
Speaker 2: nothing like that.
Speaker 5: Might might be, might might want it to be tempted
Speaker 5: with the idea that I don't want to ruin my
Speaker 5: memories of my fishing, my favorite fishing moments.
Speaker 2: As a child, don't ruin my positive trout memories. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have nothing but positive out But speaking of
Speaker 5: Washington and labor is you know, like I said, I
Speaker 5: started working young, but I spent when I was the
Speaker 5: summer when I was fifteen seventeen years of age, my
Speaker 5: uncle and grandparents had apple orchards in the state of Washington,
Speaker 5: so I know what farm labor is. I did crooning, picking, irrigating,
Speaker 5: and matfect When I was seventeen, my uncle bought a restaurant,
Speaker 5: so I ran the whole crew of the migrant laborers.
Speaker 5: And like I said, I grew up in a farming
Speaker 5: community in California, so I already spoke a little bit
Speaker 5: of Spanish. By the end of the summer, I was
Speaker 5: quite blowing in Spanish. But you know, the interesting thing
Speaker 5: this was the seventies. You know, I don't know what
Speaker 5: our immigration laws were, but they just everybody knew that
Speaker 5: they were just going to These workers were just going
Speaker 5: to show up and washing it because they've worked. They'd
Speaker 5: worked all through the harvest and through food the spring,
Speaker 5: to the to the fall, and then go back to Mexico.
Speaker 5: And I remember there from Girl Mexico, and that was
Speaker 5: just common. Nobody questioned it. And then in like in California,
Speaker 5: they had labor contractors. They would be in buses, and
Speaker 5: I can remember there was a big commotion in the
Speaker 5: little town because there was a few rednecks that were
Speaker 5: kind of upset, like hey, they're looking at a women
Speaker 5: or something. They would come to these buses in and
Speaker 5: be like two hundred of them, and you know, the
Speaker 5: grocery store owner was like, hey, they they do a
Speaker 5: lot of business, you know, and they we had never
Speaker 5: had a problem with this, just your your stereotype, but
Speaker 5: kind of transition, I mean with this here is as
Speaker 5: a perception as a reality. About two days ago, all
Speaker 5: over here in California news, there's a there's a bill
Speaker 5: it's as in the Assembly called AB eighteen forty, and
Speaker 5: it's friends and Relatives. They're going the liberal Democrats are
Speaker 5: ruining the United States because they're they're providing home loans
Speaker 5: for illegal immigrants. Okay, so I went and actually read
Speaker 5: the bill. And I read the bill and it has
Speaker 5: one versus. It says those it's provided low to middle
Speaker 5: income loans for the state of California because housing's expensive here,
Speaker 5: and as it matters, they qualify, and it says it's
Speaker 5: not disqualifying on immigrant status. So what I'm seeing is
Speaker 5: what everybody's posted, these pictures of these long lines of
Speaker 5: immigrants for the prize from the Sackages, and they're just
Speaker 5: saying these crazy you know, politicians are providing these loans
Speaker 5: to illegal immigrants, and what they're going to do is
Speaker 5: sabotized loans for people here, whether they're you know, from
Speaker 5: the majority, it's going to be legal citizens.
Speaker 1: And I need it.
Speaker 5: The twistem and the half truths. It just drives me crazy.
Speaker 5: And I know we're in political silly season, but it's starting,
Speaker 5: you know here.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, in order to get a housing loan, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, any kind of housing loan, don't you need
Speaker 2: ID and a Social Security number and proof of income.
Speaker 2: I mean, so you know, if you're an illegal immigrant,
Speaker 2: it's not like you're going to show up, no paperwork, nothing,
Speaker 2: you know, here, I am magically, I'm an illegal immigrant.
Speaker 2: Give me a loan, because you're going to need some
Speaker 2: kind of paperwork. I mean, the bank is not going
Speaker 2: to give a housing loan to somebody without some of
Speaker 2: this stuff. So they're going to have to have some
Speaker 2: of the paperwork done somehow. Even if their immigration status,
Speaker 2: like they have a green card, then that means technically
Speaker 2: they have a Social Security number, but they're not an
Speaker 2: Americans citizen, you know what I mean, like stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But you know, but people take it as no, they're
Speaker 2: offering no and low cost loans to immigrants. Okay, they're
Speaker 2: just not disqualified. Okay, Well, I don't know what can
Speaker 2: you do about that?
Speaker 4: You know, well, I've seen it. I've seen news stories
Speaker 4: coming from both sides of it. One of them pretty
Speaker 4: much is just straight up they're passing a bill that
Speaker 4: may allow some illegal immigrants to apply for these loans.
Speaker 4: And I've heard other stories saying that it excludes legal
Speaker 4: residents and it's only for illegal residents, and you know
Speaker 4: it's Most states have housing loan programs in place, and
Speaker 4: part of that is tough what the CA federal government
Speaker 4: is throwing to the states, and I guess it's up
Speaker 4: to the state to set up how they're going.
Speaker 3: To use the funds, right. You know.
Speaker 4: My only question is this, when you know, the only
Speaker 4: problem I foresee is just the greed in the market,
Speaker 4: and when they know that this money is out there
Speaker 4: for these individuals. One of them was like a twenty
Speaker 4: thousand dollars loan that they could use as a bound
Speaker 4: payment on housing.
Speaker 3: And stuff like that.
Speaker 4: The problem is the market knows that that money's out there,
Speaker 4: prices go up accordingly.
Speaker 3: It's just like when the federal government took over student loans.
Speaker 3: The cost of college has not gone down.
Speaker 4: Now that the government is handling the loan process, and
Speaker 4: it just keeps getting more expensive and more expensive and
Speaker 4: more expensive. No college has got their costs considerably in
Speaker 4: what forty years, and now that the government's controlling the
Speaker 4: handing out of the student loans, Oh well, we'll just
Speaker 4: figure that into our you know, our annual percentage increase
Speaker 4: year to year to year.
Speaker 3: A lot of colleges are getting up. We're close to
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars a year for two mesters and
Speaker 3: room and board. It was getting expensive.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: That's one of the bad things that I see about
Speaker 4: is that it could inflate the market and just added
Speaker 4: cost to everybody involved because the government's throwing money in
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 2: Right, But in the late nineties and early two thousands,
Speaker 2: you know, people didn't complain that much about these like
Speaker 2: no documentation loans that went on, which again led straight.
Speaker 3: To the House of a thousand market in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight.
Speaker 1: Was these.
Speaker 4: No money down loans, cap balloon payments at the end,
Speaker 4: things like that. It just blew the market up, right,
Speaker 4: But I mean, you can't really blame that, well, you
Speaker 4: can't blame it on government. They were part of the
Speaker 4: ones that were causing the turmoil in the housing market
Speaker 4: through Freddie Mack and Fanny May and not following up
Speaker 4: on actual criteria and giving out loans to anybody.
Speaker 3: Even people that were unemployed could get loans, is what
Speaker 3: amazes me.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, Well, it just seems like it's
Speaker 4: going to inflate the market even worse in California, and
Speaker 4: it's already too expensive in most places for anyone.
Speaker 2: Well again, I mean, look, I always talk about I'm
Speaker 2: homesick for Jersey, but I can't afford to live there.
Speaker 2: It's not even close to within my budget any longer.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just the way it is. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, and some of this stuff is yeah, caused
Speaker 2: by these conditions. When it's too easy to get a
Speaker 2: place to live and there's too much money that's available
Speaker 2: for loans and stuff like that, Yeah, they will accordingly
Speaker 2: jack up the prices. You know, we can get more
Speaker 2: out of this, Let's get more. I mean, that's what
Speaker 2: the landlords did too. I mean they're saying that they're
Speaker 2: blaming it on this algorithm or whatever, but I mean
Speaker 2: the truth is is that the moment that you know,
Speaker 2: certain people see that they can charge more, they push
Speaker 2: it to the limit that they can get. And when
Speaker 2: they do that, what does it do. It expands it
Speaker 2: And then somebody's got to make an allowance again and
Speaker 2: expands it again. And it can used to cause inflation
Speaker 2: when the value of the thing didn't change, the thing
Speaker 2: itself didn't change. The house might be ten years older now,
Speaker 2: but it's triple the cost it was.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Well, it's like when you lived here, you'd be amazed
Speaker 4: at how much rents have gone up since the time
Speaker 4: you left. Right, It's gotten to the point now there's
Speaker 4: a house down the street from me and this little
Speaker 4: p dunk crossroads I live in. They've listed it for
Speaker 4: four hundred and fifty thousand dollars and it's an old
Speaker 4: late eighteen hundred's constructed house, big, huge, beautiful house, but
Speaker 4: it's got one hundred thousand dollars worth of work that
Speaker 4: needs to be done to it. Right, the market has
Speaker 4: just gone through the roof and nobody's going to pay
Speaker 4: that kind of money for a house located here where
Speaker 4: you don't know if your grocery store is going to
Speaker 4: be in business a month from now.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just crazy the way these prices and rents.
Speaker 4: I mean, I can see how housing price is going up,
Speaker 4: and that's a that's a condition of the market when
Speaker 4: you've got guys flipping properties and and getting evaluations on
Speaker 4: them and prices going up, and the you know, the
Speaker 4: unintended consequence of that is your local counties. Ah, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, these houses are selling for one hundred thousand
Speaker 4: dollars more than they were two years ago. It's time
Speaker 4: to do a reassessment on everybody's property. Have a friend
Speaker 4: of mine has a little cinder block house that he
Speaker 4: bought thirty years ago and went in and completely remodeled
Speaker 4: it on the inside This was an old cinder block
Speaker 4: mill house with casement windows, no insulation, and he went
Speaker 4: inside completely redid it and made it a nice livable place.
Speaker 4: I think he bought it for twenty two twenty three.
Speaker 4: They just jacked the price up on the.
Speaker 3: Thing, almost one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: It's just it's crazy what they've done tax value. And
Speaker 4: that's the bad part because that's money that people are
Speaker 4: paying every year. You may own your home, but you're
Speaker 4: still paying rent to the county because they're going to
Speaker 4: hit you with that property tax assessment every year, and
Speaker 4: it's going through the roof.
Speaker 3: People can't afford the taxes, well you can sell their
Speaker 3: houses and the.
Speaker 2: Taxes on the landlords just get added into the rent anyway.
Speaker 2: So you know, not only do they want a little
Speaker 2: more money in their pocket, but they also want to
Speaker 2: cover the cost if their taxes went up too.
Speaker 4: You know that for landlords, the cost of insurance in
Speaker 4: this state has gone up fifty in the past year.
Speaker 4: So if you're you know, if you're a landlord, you've
Speaker 4: got several properties out there, you've got insurance on them,
Speaker 4: those costs are getting jacked up as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's the way when one thing inflates,
Speaker 2: another inflates right next to it. I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: the way of things.
Speaker 3: So, especially the housing market.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyhow, Danny, we're coming toward the end here,
Speaker 2: and since nobody else is calling in, I kind of
Speaker 2: want to give you a chance to put in a
Speaker 2: final word on whatever it is you think for the week,
Speaker 2: or whatever it is you want here, and then I
Speaker 2: want to let BPTE get in a word, and then
Speaker 2: we're going to close it out. Uh, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to see if I can reboot everything. I don't know.
Speaker 2: We had some technical issues here so interrupted the show
Speaker 2: a couple of times. But Danny, what do you want
Speaker 2: to kind of lead people with this week?
Speaker 5: Well, well, first of all, thank you Gail for your
Speaker 5: kind words. It was a real nice who you chimed in.
Speaker 5: And my wife grew up in Texas and she talked
Speaker 5: she talked about in the Dallas area. She grew up
Speaker 5: in Richardson Garland and they had they had to I
Speaker 5: remember her telling me about the cafeteria. So it just
Speaker 5: kind of reminded me of my wife talking about her childhood.
Speaker 5: And I would really like to put a shout out
Speaker 5: to everybody worked a little, you know, and no matter
Speaker 5: what labor you do, I appreciate. I just really value
Speaker 5: people that work. I've worked hard all my life and
Speaker 5: and I appreciate people that get off the guts and work.
Speaker 5: And I just thank you for giving me allow me
Speaker 5: to to speep my mind. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate you, Danny. Of course, we appreciate every
Speaker 2: time you call in. Thank you, and thank you for
Speaker 2: being a part of things. Also, I want to thank
Speaker 2: Gail nick Jackson who called in and definitely liven things
Speaker 2: up for quite a while. Sorry we had the technical
Speaker 2: issue and you didn't get back in. I wanted you
Speaker 2: back in, but always glad to hear from Gail. And
Speaker 2: if you haven't read her book, I would suggest you
Speaker 2: do and I'll be looking forward to seeing her at
Speaker 2: the Lancer conference in November, which again is the twenty
Speaker 2: second of the twenty fourth, And you can get ten
Speaker 2: percent off with the code o'celli ten if you sign
Speaker 2: up either for the virtual conference or in person. Okay,
Speaker 2: so that's available, and I'll put it in the show
Speaker 2: notes for this show. If you want to click on
Speaker 2: links below, you'll see it in the podcast. But anyway,
Speaker 2: all of that having been said, b Pete, I guess
Speaker 2: I'll give you the final word. Oh and I got
Speaker 2: to thank Jimmy James for calling in and adding in
Speaker 2: his usual more than two cents and appreciate it, which
Speaker 2: also shout out to him and Creative Accidents for chipping
Speaker 2: in this week to the Ocelli effect. But so up
Speaker 2: to you be, Pete. What do you gotta say?
Speaker 3: Well, I like to say thanks to Gail.
Speaker 4: It's good to hear guys called in and yes, definitely
Speaker 4: want to have her back. And thanks to Danny and
Speaker 4: Jimmy for calling in. One quick little note here that
Speaker 4: I saw in the break. You know, Elon Musk has
Speaker 4: got his Starling satellite system and Brazil's been cracking on
Speaker 4: him here lately, saying that they were going to shut
Speaker 4: down Twitter or Ex's as they are called in Brazil
Speaker 4: because there's nobody monitoring it. There's no moderation on the
Speaker 4: site and people can get on there and basically say
Speaker 4: anything they want, which was one of the reasons that
Speaker 4: Must bought it to begin with. But they threatened him
Speaker 4: and said, you know, if you don't do this, we're
Speaker 4: gonna shut you down. And then they came out and said,
Speaker 4: forget all that, we're just gonna shut you down. And
Speaker 4: about thirty minutes after they announced that decision, the head
Speaker 4: of the military kind of contacted the man in the
Speaker 4: big Alison said, unfortunately, our entire system runs on startling,
Speaker 4: so until you got a different system in place, you
Speaker 4: can't shut it down. So we're going we follow this
Speaker 4: one to see what goes on.
Speaker 2: That ought to be interesting. Yeah, well see, now there's
Speaker 2: the problem when you got a tech giant being run
Speaker 2: by the same guy who's putting an X on everything. Right. Also,
Speaker 2: he had some issues with some X rocket of his
Speaker 2: that got grounded this week too.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're going to rescue the stranded.
Speaker 4: Door a couple astronauts up on the space station, right wow, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Boeings is going to try to bring back their vehicle
Speaker 4: without the astronauts, and Muska is.
Speaker 3: Going to go up and and save them. But his
Speaker 3: rocket messed up, so now they've grounded him, so it's
Speaker 3: going to go further. They're thinking maybe middle of next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now they're going to be be up there another
Speaker 2: nine months, so yikes, what can you say about that?
Speaker 2: But when you know you got too many things going
Speaker 2: all roads leading to one place. This is the kind
Speaker 2: of problem you can face, right. Uh, so, hey, we're
Speaker 2: gonna shut you down. We're gonna do this to you. Well,
Speaker 2: you might not want to do that, considering, uh, we
Speaker 2: got your internet connections here. Uh you know, are your
Speaker 2: satellite or whatever. It's it's kind of rough when.
Speaker 4: Funny because they said that, you know they were when
Speaker 4: they first came out and complained about it. They said, well,
Speaker 4: you know, there's a billion issues and this and that,
Speaker 4: and some must reply to them. And says, okay, I'll
Speaker 4: tell you what, until we get this all figured out,
Speaker 4: it's free. My service is free in Brazil to anybody
Speaker 4: that wants to use it. You don't have to worry
Speaker 4: about paying me. You don't have to worry about being billed.
Speaker 4: We'll just take that part out of the equation. And
Speaker 4: then that's when they came back and said, not good enough,
Speaker 4: We're still going to shut you down. Yeah right, mister
Speaker 4: military says you might want to wait a minute on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah you might, because all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 2: youre cutting your nose off to spite your face. And
Speaker 2: that's the problem again, when somebody's got a monopoly on
Speaker 2: a bunch of things that you're attached to, you know,
Speaker 2: just saying it's one of those things to keep an
Speaker 2: eye on as we go further.
Speaker 3: And as you said, rich Brazil is they have their
Speaker 3: own satellite up.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what the financial you know,
Speaker 2: standing of Brazil as a nation is at this point.
Speaker 4: You know, we'll have to look into that, but I'm
Speaker 4: sure there's going to be another round. They'll try to
Speaker 4: find another way. So we'll just keep on track of that,
Speaker 4: and we're going to start working on trying to get
Speaker 4: mister Naked news on.
Speaker 3: So we've got some we got a mission ahead of us.
Speaker 2: That'll be fun if we get the original guy on,
Speaker 2: you know, to sit here and tell us about you know,
Speaker 2: please explain to us actually how it is when it
Speaker 2: is you actually got naked in the first place, that
Speaker 2: would be a point of interest, and we would add
Speaker 2: to the news in that way, because no other news
Speaker 2: story about this has reported that thus far right.
Speaker 3: Thought that I can find.
Speaker 2: So there you go. Maybe we'll fill in some gaps
Speaker 2: and you know, hey, look we already made you famous.
Speaker 2: Share one little secret with us. How did you wind
Speaker 2: up naked in the first place. Anyway, this and other
Speaker 2: important world bending issues on the Friday night open mic
Speaker 2: right and again, big thanks to those of you that
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Speaker 2: Thank god, I'm not going on my dime because I
Speaker 2: don't got a dime to go on, but you know
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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, operational costs and who knows, maybe
Speaker 2: I have to upgrade something. That's why I have technical
Speaker 2: issues tonight. Will find out, you know, as time goes on.
Speaker 2: I keep this going as long as you guys keep
Speaker 2: going with me. So anyway, I know b Pete didn't
Speaker 2: say support your local food banks, but I definitely stand
Speaker 2: with that sentiment, and he usually says it at the
Speaker 2: end of the show. And I'll say what I always say,
Speaker 2: which is I am merely o'celly, and all of you
Speaker 2: are indeed the effect. Good Night, see you next week.