Speaker 1: And one of your putty. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 1: Jesus Quice, you better Hello, hit the boddy out here?
Speaker 1: What quin? I'm out there?
Speaker 2: I thought of a.
Speaker 1: Bench about take forty nine. I don't know easy, am
Speaker 1: out there? Yeah, I'm walking right head all.
Speaker 3: Right, folks, that will welcome our guest to the show.
Speaker 3: It is Melissa from Georgia. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 4: I have been looking forward to this.
Speaker 3: You and I got to spend some time together over
Speaker 3: across the pond last month.
Speaker 4: How time flies when you're having fun. We were over
Speaker 4: for the.
Speaker 3: Red carpet premiere of My Bigfoot Life. You and Natalie,
Speaker 3: we met up at the airport. We had a fantastic time,
Speaker 3: so many laughs, so many good times.
Speaker 4: Were had over there. I want to give your take
Speaker 4: on that trip.
Speaker 3: I know that was your first time across the pond,
Speaker 3: So just in general, how did you feel about England
Speaker 3: and specifically the time that we got to spend out
Speaker 3: in the woods on Sunday. I know, my first experience
Speaker 3: there was a couple of summers ago when I got
Speaker 3: to go out in the forest for the first time
Speaker 3: over in England, and I was blown away by the
Speaker 3: similarities of of what we see here in the States.
Speaker 4: Talk a little bit about that trip for you.
Speaker 3: How was that trip and how did you feel about
Speaker 3: getting out into the woods over there in England.
Speaker 2: First of all, like you said, it was my first
Speaker 2: time across the pond, so I was really excited to
Speaker 2: visit another land other than Canada, and that was the
Speaker 2: only place i'd been. I feel like that's just an
Speaker 2: extension of the ad stage. So it was fun to
Speaker 2: go to the UK. I thought that people were absolutely lovely.
Speaker 2: They were so polite, so friendly, It's like you didn't
Speaker 2: know a stranger there. It was really heartwarming to me.
Speaker 2: The people, they just were so accommodating. It was one
Speaker 2: of the things that really stood out to me. The
Speaker 2: woods there were absolutely beautiful. I think I made a
Speaker 2: little video and posted it somewhere talking about how enchanting
Speaker 2: those woods are. And you can see where the fairy
Speaker 2: tales and things medieval times, so they talk about the
Speaker 2: enchanted forests and stuff. It deathIn thely fits the bill.
Speaker 2: But I did note that there were so many similarities
Speaker 2: to both Appalachia and the Pacific Northwest. It was like
Speaker 2: they came together and had a bearded baby or something,
Speaker 2: a moss covered baby. The moss there was just so
Speaker 2: thick all over the ground. It was so beautiful, and
Speaker 2: it would grow up the trees similar to like it
Speaker 2: does in the Pacific Northwest. Not so much here. The
Speaker 2: trees were just beautiful. They reminded me more of home.
Speaker 2: Maybe not quite as many trees, but certainly so beautiful.
Speaker 2: And like I said, it just had this enchanting type
Speaker 2: feel where you could the mysteries totally would be the
Speaker 2: norm in that area. Just so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: The first time I made that trek. When Danny and
Speaker 3: I went over there a couple of summers ago, we
Speaker 3: took a train from London Heathrow into Somerset. We spent
Speaker 3: probably a week or so in London doing the touristy stuff,
Speaker 3: and then we took a train out. So it was
Speaker 3: so cool to be able to experience with you and
Speaker 3: Natalie getting in a car and driving across that three
Speaker 3: plus hours or whatever it was from London into Somerset
Speaker 3: and getting to see the countryside in a different way.
Speaker 3: I saw different places in the car ride than we
Speaker 3: got to see on the train ride, so it was
Speaker 3: really cool to experience. And I know you guys are
Speaker 3: going to be back over there in August. I may
Speaker 3: or may not be there, we haven't made that decision yet,
Speaker 3: but I know you guys are going to be back
Speaker 3: over there in August. So I'm really excited that you
Speaker 3: get to see even more of the countryside in hopefully
Speaker 3: different ways, because I think every time you go you
Speaker 3: get a little bit different perspective on the country, the people,
Speaker 3: the different areas. Obviously, the woods were what stuck out
Speaker 3: to me because very much like you, I think, if
Speaker 3: you put it so eloquently, in the video that you did.
Speaker 3: How it compares to so many different places here in
Speaker 3: the United States, whether it be the Southeast where you
Speaker 3: and I are from, versus the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 4: It is like.
Speaker 3: The bearded baby, if you will up two. I think
Speaker 3: so many people miss that because when you say anything
Speaker 3: about Bigfoot or Sasquatch and you try to relate it
Speaker 3: to England, people tend to roll their eyes. But if
Speaker 3: you really go out and look in some of the
Speaker 3: places like you and I were, there's a possibility that
Speaker 3: something exists there. We were actually looking at a video
Speaker 3: that young Jet had recorded with his mom. I was
Speaker 3: actually looking at that yesterday and trying to slow down
Speaker 3: and do some comparison stuff. It's a really strange video.
Speaker 3: We'll leave that as a teaser for you guys. If
Speaker 3: you really want to see the any depth coverage of that,
Speaker 3: you'll have to check out legend Seekers over on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Daniel and Ryan were doing some filming while Melissa and
Speaker 3: I were out there, and Natalie was certainly helping with
Speaker 3: some of the filming when we're out on location, because
Speaker 3: I think we found the exact trees that Jet and
Speaker 3: his mom recorded that particular video of so I'll just
Speaker 3: leave that as a teaser for you guys. Maybe I'll
Speaker 3: throw the video up at some point once it airs
Speaker 3: over on Legend Seekers and let you guys see it
Speaker 3: because it's really compelling.
Speaker 4: Something is coming down between two trees. Let's just leave
Speaker 4: it at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely possible. I know you just think of
Speaker 2: it as like this big island or something and not
Speaker 2: even having a real forest that the forest is so
Speaker 2: beautiful in its own right, and it's very indistinctive. Like
Speaker 2: I said, it has elements of both Pacific Northwest and
Speaker 2: the East Coast Forest. But you can totally see that
Speaker 2: there could be some mysteries hiding out in there, for sure.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you indulging me in reminiscing about our trip,
Speaker 3: but that's not what we're here to talk about. We're
Speaker 3: here to talk about your experiences. But before we get
Speaker 3: into that, let's talk about the thing I like to
Speaker 3: start with everybody, What in the world got you interested
Speaker 3: in the subject of bigfoot sasquatch to begin with?
Speaker 2: It was my father when I was growing up. My
Speaker 2: dad always had an interest in bigfoot. I'm a child
Speaker 2: of the seventies. Jenexer so we would watch Insertia with
Speaker 2: the Leonard Nimoy, and we did all these little programs
Speaker 2: would come on from time to time and they would
Speaker 2: have Bigfoot would be the subject of the program, and
Speaker 2: so I would watch those things with him. And then
Speaker 2: he had this really cool book, I think it was
Speaker 2: a reader's digest book called The Strange Facts and Amazing Fiction.
Speaker 2: It had the famous Patterson Gimblin photo in it, and
Speaker 2: I just always remember just sitting down looking through those
Speaker 2: pictures of all the really odd things and just being
Speaker 2: really drawn to the unexplained. At a young age. It
Speaker 2: was just always a thing in the background in our family.
Speaker 2: We're a musical family, and my dad plays guitar and
Speaker 2: we would make up songs about Bigfoot and sing them
Speaker 2: all time. We were just crazy. It was just always
Speaker 2: just this thing, this mild interest in the background as
Speaker 2: I was growing up. And then in two thousand and
Speaker 2: four we lost my mom that summer and that fall,
Speaker 2: he came to me and said, I just want you
Speaker 2: to know that my interest in Bigfoot is still very
Speaker 2: much alive and well, and I've taken it to the interweb.
Speaker 2: And at that time, the interwebs were just getting going
Speaker 2: the information is super highly was just a thing, and
Speaker 2: he found the Bigfoot Field Researchers organization. Just got really
Speaker 2: excited about it because of course that's Matt Moneymaker's organization,
Speaker 2: and he had been on a number of monster programs
Speaker 2: my father had seen. He said, they teach you how
Speaker 2: to look for bigfoot. They put on these expeditions all
Speaker 2: over the country. They teach you how to look for bigfoot.
Speaker 2: And they're coming to North Georgia in February. And I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: that's so cool. And I could tell he didn't really
Speaker 2: want to go by himself, so I said, hey, if
Speaker 2: you don't want to go by yourself, I will totally
Speaker 2: go with you because there's probably a ton of weirdos.
Speaker 2: That probably the coolest weekend ever. So we ended up
Speaker 2: having a good time. It happened to be my brother's
Speaker 2: birthday weekend, so I guess my dad felt like he
Speaker 2: couldn't take me and not take my brother on my
Speaker 2: brother's birthday weekend, so he took both of us together.
Speaker 2: We have a younger sister too, but I think she
Speaker 2: was still in high school at the time or college
Speaker 2: wasn't available, so it was just the two of us.
Speaker 2: What was my dad and my brother is a federal agent.
Speaker 2: He's retired now, very type A type person and just
Speaker 2: thinks were all nuts, right, And so my dad and
Speaker 2: I basically ended up ditching my brother and going off
Speaker 2: and hanging out with Matt Moneymaker and doing some of
Speaker 2: the expedition activities on our own, and we just had
Speaker 2: the best time. We had the nicest, most normal people,
Speaker 2: which was surprising. I really thought there'd be a lot
Speaker 2: of weirdos. Their stories were fascinating. A lot of people
Speaker 2: were there because they'd seen something they couldn't explain, or
Speaker 2: someone in their family had, and those stories had lingered
Speaker 2: for a long time and they just wanted answers, so
Speaker 2: that's what they were there for. It was so fun.
Speaker 2: We had so much fun that we ended up going
Speaker 2: on another expedition right after. It was my dad and
Speaker 2: my husband that time. It was in eastern North Carolina.
Speaker 2: We did meet a few weirdos on that Troops put
Speaker 2: me again. Just had the best time. Nothing definitive, but
Speaker 2: it was just cool being out in the woods. I
Speaker 2: grew up a tomboy. There were woods behind my house.
Speaker 2: We built forts, we played war games, we did all
Speaker 2: that growing up so it was just like an extension
Speaker 2: of my childhood and I loved it so much. We
Speaker 2: went to another expedition. It was just my husband and I.
Speaker 2: My dad couldn't go with us that time. He had
Speaker 2: a deep sea fishing trip planned. That was the expedition
Speaker 2: that everything changed for me. We were in West Virginia.
Speaker 2: There was a group of newbies that kind of went
Speaker 2: out while all of us went to dinner. One night,
Speaker 2: there were three people that were brand new went walking
Speaker 2: down this trail, I don't know, maybe a quarter mile
Speaker 2: or so, and they sat on a rock. It was
Speaker 2: at nighttime. They sat on a rock out cropping, turned
Speaker 2: off their lights and just listened. And as they were there,
Speaker 2: they started to hear growls. They started to have things
Speaker 2: thrown at them. It was two guys and a girl,
Speaker 2: and the girl that was with them was one of
Speaker 2: the guy's girlfriends and she got really scared, and so
Speaker 2: they ended up having to come back to camp. But
Speaker 2: as they came back to camp, we were coming back
Speaker 2: from dinner, like ten of us, they were just telling
Speaker 2: us all about what happened, and so we're all look
Speaker 2: at each other and going, let's go back, Let's go
Speaker 2: up there. So we did. So thirteen of us went
Speaker 2: back and sat on that rock out cropping, turned out
Speaker 2: our lights and just listened and did the same thing,
Speaker 2: and of course, crickets, nothing happened. They were sitting there
Speaker 2: thinking about all the reasons why that might be. And
Speaker 2: I remember discussing with some other people, maybe there's too
Speaker 2: many of us. They were just three people sitting here,
Speaker 2: and we've got thirteen people. We got this huge group
Speaker 2: of people here, so let's maybe split up. So we did.
Speaker 2: We split up. Half the group went a little further
Speaker 2: up the trail to hunker down, and then I stayed
Speaker 2: with the group that remained behind on the rock out cropping.
Speaker 2: We had radios and we were calling back and forth,
Speaker 2: and we had this huge linebacker of a guy in
Speaker 2: our group that had a Louisville slugger, and he was
Speaker 2: appointed the tree knocker in our group, and he did
Speaker 2: and we radiated and he did some great tree knocks.
Speaker 2: They were really laugh and the group above us up
Speaker 2: the trail heard it and they responded, and this went
Speaker 2: back and forth for a little bit. Then we started
Speaker 2: to do a couple of hows back and forth. Right
Speaker 2: after I don't know, we've probably been doing this for
Speaker 2: a little while, maybe fifteen twenty minutes, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, when this guy hit the tree. Immediately
Speaker 2: after he did his tree knock, there was this huge
Speaker 2: how right between the two groups. It was way louder
Speaker 2: than this guy could have done on his own. The
Speaker 2: other group immediately radio is back. That wasn't us. That
Speaker 2: wasn't us. We didn't do that, like we didn't do
Speaker 2: it either. Then we decided at that point we would
Speaker 2: do some hows right after this loud knock. After we
Speaker 2: did a series of a couple of hows. The only
Speaker 2: way I can describe it is like a man beast.
Speaker 2: How it came out of a huge chess covity, and
Speaker 2: it was up on the ridge behind us, up above
Speaker 2: both groups, and it just was if you've heard the
Speaker 2: Ohio how, the famous Ohio how, it was similar to that.
Speaker 2: It rose and was sustained and then fell, but it
Speaker 2: came out of an enormous chest. I don't know how
Speaker 2: to describe it other than a man beast type. How
Speaker 2: the hair stood up on the back of my neck.
Speaker 2: We all had saucer eyes, going, Oh my gosh, it's real,
Speaker 2: there's something out here. This is crazy. And so from
Speaker 2: that point on, different things started happening. People were seeing
Speaker 2: red eyes shine different places, They saw movements that went on.
Speaker 2: We were there like to well. After midnight was the first freeze.
Speaker 2: A lot of us were lie frozen, and so we decided, Okay,
Speaker 2: we've had enough fun. We're going to go back to camp.
Speaker 2: A few people remained behind, and a few of the
Speaker 2: people that remained behind did actually see the shadow of
Speaker 2: a silhouette doing the classic poken is head behind trees
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, so something was there. We estimated
Speaker 2: there were at least two and maybe three all around
Speaker 2: us that night. That was the first time I knew, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is not just people curious about the unknown. There
Speaker 2: really is something here. So from there I cooked. I
Speaker 2: started doing investigations for that organization for a time. I
Speaker 2: started interviewing a lot of people who had eyewitness sightings
Speaker 2: and just again found them completely fascinating. I started going
Speaker 2: on more and more expeditions. Later, I started helping to
Speaker 2: organize some expeditions, and then I started branching out and
Speaker 2: going all over the country. I had a friend of
Speaker 2: mine that got in it with me, and she was
Speaker 2: from Oklahoma, so we started going out to Oklahoma and
Speaker 2: places in Texas and stuff like that to do some expeditions.
Speaker 2: Again met the coolest people ever. In the course of that,
Speaker 2: going out to Arkansas and Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, we met
Speaker 2: the guy from Louisiana who fancied himself some Marketer and Brander,
Speaker 2: and he had seen some of the videos that my
Speaker 2: friend and I had put up on YouTube, because again
Speaker 2: you got to remember, this was brand new the internet, YouTube, Facebook,
Speaker 2: all that was just barely a thing. People weren't even
Speaker 2: really using it, and so we had put up a
Speaker 2: couple of videos just for funzies of us being out
Speaker 2: in the woods and stuff. This guy has seen this
Speaker 2: elevant and said do you really should brand this? People
Speaker 2: would watch it and we're like, oh nah, whatever. Long
Speaker 2: story short, he made a Facebook cover for us and
Speaker 2: it was both of us standing back to back wearing
Speaker 2: black leather jackets in a different context. But he put
Speaker 2: it up against these dark, scary woods and then on
Speaker 2: the left side in bright pig and said coming fall
Speaker 2: twenty twelve bigfoot chicks. He created it as a joke,
Speaker 2: and so I put it up on my Facebook profile.
Speaker 2: True story. Within twenty four hours. Everybody who was anybody
Speaker 2: who had a Bigfoot blog, talk radio show, or any
Speaker 2: sort of podcast, any sort of block talk TV. Those
Speaker 2: were real posar back then. When first got started, they
Speaker 2: all wanted interviews. They were calling us for interviews. So
Speaker 2: we became skycrocketed to the front of the Bigfoot Sandbox
Speaker 2: pretty much overnight. So that opened up a lot of
Speaker 2: opportunities for me to meet a lot of different kinds
Speaker 2: of investigators and from different parts of the country, and
Speaker 2: to go all over and meet even more people, work
Speaker 2: on some film projects, auditioned for some reality shows, all
Speaker 2: the different things. It's just skyrocketed. So that's where I
Speaker 2: ended up. Then I ended up starting my own marketing business.
Speaker 2: About eight years ago. I took a little bit of
Speaker 2: a sabbatical. I never truly fell out of the interest
Speaker 2: of wanting to do it, but I went silent for
Speaker 2: a little while and was focusing on my business. But
Speaker 2: always every chance I got, I was still going out
Speaker 2: to go squatching with anybody and everybody who wanted because
Speaker 2: having so much fun with it. Whenever I got a chance.
Speaker 2: And just in the last couple of years, I'm in
Speaker 2: a good place with my business and all the things
Speaker 2: that I'm doing, and I just really I love it
Speaker 2: so much, and I just started to get back into it.
Speaker 5: And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 5: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So I joined the Seekers group, the Seekers SEKRS, which
Speaker 2: is a Southeastern Encrypted Research Society. It's an honor tribute
Speaker 2: group for Bob Wilson, who saw a lot of people
Speaker 2: know is Grumpy from the Shooting big Foot show. Great guy,
Speaker 2: great guy, and so this is a group in his honor,
Speaker 2: and we basically investigate all forms of high strangeness. It's
Speaker 2: awesome people, We have so much fun. And then through
Speaker 2: that group I got to know Greg Ogels was invited
Speaker 2: to be a part of the Relic Films team and
Speaker 2: cheat documentaries about high strangeness, Bigfoot, their normal, all kinds
Speaker 2: of things. And so that kind of brings us to
Speaker 2: where we are today and how I ended up beating you.
Speaker 3: Let's get into some of the experiences. You know a
Speaker 3: lot of people. I know you're being very humble right now,
Speaker 3: you're being typical Melissa, but you know just about everybody
Speaker 3: there is.
Speaker 4: To know in the Bigfoot community.
Speaker 3: And you've been out with tons of researchers, and you've
Speaker 3: had tons of experiences, so let's get back into the
Speaker 3: experience part of it. This thing tends to do one
Speaker 3: of two things. People have an experience and they're like, oh, nope,
Speaker 3: that's good. I'm not wanting to get any more of that.
Speaker 3: I'm out, I'm done, or it does what seems like
Speaker 3: what happened to you and me and many other people
Speaker 3: in this the bug bites you and want more and
Speaker 3: more experiences, so you keep going out. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: some of the times you spend a lot of time
Speaker 3: out in the woods with a ton of different people.
Speaker 3: I know it's tough, you've had a ton of experiences,
Speaker 3: but let's go back into some of those experiences that
Speaker 3: you've had over the years going out and looking for
Speaker 3: these things, and let's talk about some of the things
Speaker 3: that have happened to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's an experience that I've shelved and I haven't
Speaker 2: talked about a whole lot on podcasts. I think I've
Speaker 2: only shared it one other time, So this will be new,
Speaker 2: and the reasons for that is because I just didn't
Speaker 2: know what to make of it. I've had more and
Speaker 2: more experiences now I have a really good idea of
Speaker 2: what I think it might be. I was out bigfooting
Speaker 2: with friends, and I was in North Georgia, and it
Speaker 2: was in a place that has a history of bigfoot sidings.
Speaker 2: I was on a trailhead. There were a bunch of
Speaker 2: people spread out. So there was a place that you
Speaker 2: like a parking lot, for this trailhead to climb up
Speaker 2: the mountain. We were spread out. Some people were in
Speaker 2: the parking lot, some people were on the edges of
Speaker 2: the parking lot, and me and my friend Kimberly, who
Speaker 2: was my best friend growing up. She passed away a
Speaker 2: few years, but she was with me. She thought it
Speaker 2: was so cool that I looked for bigfoot and she
Speaker 2: always wanted to go. So I took her with me.
Speaker 2: And then I was with another one of my bigfoot buddies, Keith,
Speaker 2: and so me, Kimberly and Keith decided to climb partially
Speaker 2: up this mountain so that we could have that vantage
Speaker 2: point with everybody spread out beneath us. We had radios.
Speaker 2: You would do the standard kind of thing that a
Speaker 2: lot of groups do. We just hunker down and listen
Speaker 2: for a while. We might do woodknocks, we might do
Speaker 2: a call here and there just to see. We were
Speaker 2: up on this rock out cropping and Keith goes, I
Speaker 2: think I see a light down there. It looks place
Speaker 2: moving and I said, oh, yeah, there's a street light
Speaker 2: on the other side. And so when the wind's blowing,
Speaker 2: it looks like it looks like a light is moving
Speaker 2: because I know what you're talking about, because I've seen
Speaker 2: that because I've been in this area numerous times. He
Speaker 2: kept watching it. He's like, I don't know, Melissa, I
Speaker 2: think it's actually moving. I'm like, well, keep watching it.
Speaker 2: Just keep watching. He did. So we were talking and
Speaker 2: we were listening to the radio chatter, and we just
Speaker 2: listened for a while, and then my friend Kimberly hunkers
Speaker 2: down over Keith's shoulder and goes, Melissa, I think he's right.
Speaker 2: I think that light is moving. And I'm like, peep
Speaker 2: watching today because I could see what they were talking about.
Speaker 2: But I was still pretty much convinced that it was
Speaker 2: the light through the trees. So anyway, the light starts
Speaker 2: to move in a more pronounced way, and I'm like, humph, Okay,
Speaker 2: that doesn't look like the light through the trees. That
Speaker 2: looks like it's actually moving. So we were radioing if
Speaker 2: anybody below us could see it. They were like no,
Speaker 2: And then finally we said, okay, I need somebody to
Speaker 2: come up. It looked like a headlamp and it was
Speaker 2: just moving back and forth, just real gentle like this.
Speaker 2: So I said, I need somebody to come up the
Speaker 2: trail towards us with a red headlight on, and you
Speaker 2: let us know if you can see it, or maybe
Speaker 2: you coming up will spoof whatever it is and it'll
Speaker 2: move further up the trail closer to us or whatever,
Speaker 2: so we can get an idea of what this is.
Speaker 2: Trying to rule out what we're seeing. My friend Robin
Speaker 2: comes up. He's got his red light on and he's
Speaker 2: walking and by the time we see him, his red
Speaker 2: light is just like the size of the peak. It's
Speaker 2: just tiny way down there. And of course it's a
Speaker 2: red light, so it's dimmer, and this white light that
Speaker 2: looks like a white headlight is pretty bright. And so
Speaker 2: as he starts making his way towards us, and this
Speaker 2: is a very steep incline, so it's slow going. So
Speaker 2: he's walking towards us or climbing towards us. That light
Speaker 2: starts to cover over the trailhead, over the actual trail.
Speaker 2: It starts going back and forth, but looks like it's
Speaker 2: coming towards us up the trail. Now we're sitting on
Speaker 2: a rock out cropping, maybe about ten or twelve paces
Speaker 2: off the main trail there, so we're just got a
Speaker 2: little off to the side, but we can see it.
Speaker 2: It's definitely come out from the wooded area where it
Speaker 2: was over the trail. It's just meandering back and forth,
Speaker 2: but it's coming up the trail and it's very bright,
Speaker 2: and so we're radioing to Robin. Do you see it?
Speaker 2: We can see it. It's just look up, don't look
Speaker 2: down or don't look like eye level, look up? Can
Speaker 2: you see it? And he's I don't see anything. I'm like, really,
Speaker 2: how are you missing that? It's just right, it's right there. Anyway,
Speaker 2: he's coming up. He's getting a lot closer to where
Speaker 2: we could yell to each other and talk. When he
Speaker 2: gets there. It bimly noticed that this light is coming
Speaker 2: really close to us. It's still over the trailhead and
Speaker 2: we're off the trailhead, but it's almost even with us,
Speaker 2: and right as it gets almost even with us, it
Speaker 2: grows in size and in brightness. Then it floats over
Speaker 2: off the trail in front of us, and it's I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe fifteen seed in front of me. It
Speaker 2: hovers and then it shrinks really small, really fast, and
Speaker 2: just goes shoots off and then I hear. What I
Speaker 2: hear is like something running after it. We all looked
Speaker 2: at each other and went, what was that? It just
Speaker 2: shot off like a rocket? Did you hear it? Was
Speaker 2: that a deer? It sounded like something running? What was that?
Speaker 2: I would share it with certain people, and I just
Speaker 2: tucked it away. It just didn't know, just didn't know
Speaker 2: what to make of that experience. When people would talk
Speaker 2: about orbs or seeing orbs, I never really thought that
Speaker 2: was an ORB. And now looking back, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that was an ORB. The more experiences I've had, and
Speaker 2: the more the variety of groups that I've gone out
Speaker 2: with that have different perspectives and have seen different things
Speaker 2: and had different experiences, I'm starting to understand now, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think what I saw was an ORB. There are
Speaker 2: a lot of people that say, if you're seeing an ORB,
Speaker 2: you're seeing a bigfoot. I'm still open to that. I
Speaker 2: haven't seen the transformation occur, So I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I tend to think they're probably right. That's what it is.
Speaker 2: That's an experience that I had fairly early on in
Speaker 2: my experience but just didn't know what to do with it.
Speaker 2: But it's one of those really cool experiences because not
Speaker 2: everybody gets to see that, and I'm just like, that's
Speaker 2: pretty cool. And to hear the footsteps run off after it,
Speaker 2: and just to see it shoot off like a rocket,
Speaker 2: I have no explanation for that none. I don't know
Speaker 2: what would do that, Just to float so gently like that,
Speaker 2: get bigger, get smaller, and then shoot off and then
Speaker 2: hear foot steps after it. That was just a really
Speaker 2: cool experience that happened to me in Georgia. Researching that
Speaker 2: and talking to different people about similar experiences and just
Speaker 2: trying to learn as much as I can about what
Speaker 2: that might be, what that might mean. I've definitely changed
Speaker 2: my mindset, very open to different possibilities of what that
Speaker 2: might be. That's an experience that I have not shared
Speaker 2: very often, but in recent months I've had some really
Speaker 2: weird experiences which I will share next if you want to.
Speaker 2: That kind of opened my mind up to the possibility
Speaker 2: of big fit being more than what I originally set
Speaker 2: out believing it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely started, and I'm still sitting in the
Speaker 3: flesh and blood versus the high strangeness camp, if you will.
Speaker 3: But the more I have conversations with people like you
Speaker 3: that I trust very much, that have had some really
Speaker 3: weird experiences, I think you do yourself a disservice, and
Speaker 3: you do the phenomenon a disservice in my opinion, if
Speaker 3: you're not at least open to having those kinds of conversations.
Speaker 3: Because we've been doing the same thing for sixty seventy years.
Speaker 2: And there are people that I've met and I'm sure
Speaker 2: you have too, that are very credible people that have
Speaker 2: had these experiences and you're just like, Wow, okay, Wow,
Speaker 2: what do I do with that. The more you do this,
Speaker 2: the more you're out in the woods, the chances are
Speaker 2: you're going to encounter some sort of what I consider strangeness.
Speaker 2: For maybe I don't know if it's considered high strangeness,
Speaker 2: but strangeness something that you just STI don't know what
Speaker 2: to do with bigfoot itself is strangeness to me. It's
Speaker 2: not the norm, but these other phenomena that seem to
Speaker 2: occur alongside Bigfoot sightings. I don't know Trey Hudson, who's
Speaker 2: a part of our group, who I think is. He's
Speaker 2: just a brilliant researcher. He has explained it. He does
Speaker 2: a really great presentation and if you ever get a
Speaker 2: chance to hear it, he talks about the paranormal aliens, Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: dog Man, all the different things is all facets of
Speaker 2: the same diamond. And I always thought that was so profound,
Speaker 2: such a brilliant way to explain it. And I thought
Speaker 2: when you start, when you get exposed to these kinds
Speaker 2: of experiences, you're just like, Okay, I can't just say
Speaker 2: that this is what bigfoot is, because do I really know? No,
Speaker 2: I don't really know. But it's not supposed to exist,
Speaker 2: and yet people are seeing it and things are happening.
Speaker 2: We don't have a body to study, we don't have
Speaker 2: pictures that are not blurry, we have very little video
Speaker 2: that is considered credible. We don't know what to make
Speaker 2: of it. What I always say in a lot of
Speaker 2: my podcasts, while people ask me directly, what do you
Speaker 2: think Bigfoot is? I say I know that I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I am way more open now to other possibilities
Speaker 2: than I was before, given the experiences I've had, the
Speaker 2: one I just shared, and then some more recently that
Speaker 2: really I come out with more questions than answers.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about some of those experiences.
Speaker 2: It was with Relling Films. I was invited to be
Speaker 2: a part of some filming for a documentary, a return
Speaker 2: to the LBL, and as soon as they said LBL,
Speaker 2: I just started jumping up and down. I didn't even
Speaker 2: know what they want. They just started about the Helvy. Oh,
Speaker 2: like I want to go because I've always wanted to
Speaker 2: go Land between the Lakes. That's just one of those
Speaker 2: places of lots of big food activity. I knew it
Speaker 2: for bigfood activity, I've since learned it's a place for
Speaker 2: dog man, paranormal, just high strangeness in general. It just
Speaker 2: incorporates so much. There are so many reports of all
Speaker 2: different kinds that come out of that area, and so
Speaker 2: I was excited to be there and just experience it,
Speaker 2: just to see what would happen, and just to see
Speaker 2: how it's just very beautiful there too, and just to
Speaker 2: experience the wilderness there. We were there filming and every day.
Speaker 2: If you know anything about filming, every day, there's a
Speaker 2: timeline of things that have to be done. Greg is
Speaker 2: awesome because he's a more go with the flow kind
Speaker 2: of producer director. It makes it fun and it makes
Speaker 2: it easier to do these things. And so we had
Speaker 2: a paranormal white witch that was there and she was
Speaker 2: going to be part of the filming. She had an
Speaker 2: experience with the god helmet. What they were telling me
Speaker 2: and what I was learning because I knew what it was.
Speaker 2: I had seen it used and different videos and stuff,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know a whole lot about it beyond that.
Speaker 2: And I knew that this helmet could if there is
Speaker 2: any sort of high strangeness in the area. It acts
Speaker 2: as a battery for making it more intense. If there
Speaker 2: is something around or some eyes strange just happening, it
Speaker 2: can happen. But anyway she did this, we had to
Speaker 2: stay away. They just put a camera on her. I
Speaker 2: was watching her from a distance while she was doing this.
Speaker 2: Because for those that don't know what it is, it's
Speaker 2: a helmet with some electrodes on it and they pipe
Speaker 2: in some electromagnetic energy. It's safe, it's a safe level.
Speaker 2: They do it all around, and then they focus on
Speaker 2: the left side of your brain because supposedly there is
Speaker 2: a scientist that has done research that if there's a
Speaker 2: concentrated amount of electromagnetic pulse in the left of megdala,
Speaker 2: it can spark some sort of a I don't know
Speaker 2: if I would call it a hallucination, but some sort
Speaker 2: of an event where you like a spiritual event or
Speaker 2: some sort of a like seeing the future kind of event.
Speaker 2: I don't know. The scientists created this helmet based on
Speaker 2: research because when people would have these deeply spiritual experiences
Speaker 2: or paranormal experience or whatever, they'll left amingola would light
Speaker 2: up in the scans or whatever. So this is how
Speaker 2: this was created. So she was doing this test. I
Speaker 2: was watching her from a distance. She was talking and
Speaker 2: gesturing with her hands like she was talking to someone.
Speaker 2: So she's got the helmet on and she's blindfolded. She
Speaker 2: can't hear. She's got noise canceling ear muffs on. So
Speaker 2: I was talking to the people administering the test and stuff,
Speaker 2: and I said, you know, is this normal And they
Speaker 2: said no, it's not normal. And I'm like, okay, So
Speaker 2: I'm just watching it happen and then later they do
Speaker 2: the other I always blank on the name of it,
Speaker 2: but it's a similar to Steve's test that they do,
Speaker 2: where it's the same thing. You're blindfolded and you have
Speaker 2: ear muffs on, and then basically someone sits next to
Speaker 2: you and they ask questions to entities or whatever might
Speaker 2: be around, and then you act as the receiver for anything.
Speaker 2: So if anything comes into your mind or if you
Speaker 2: hear it, you'res to say whatever comes out of your mouth.
Speaker 2: And so a lot of times when you see this done,
Speaker 2: it sometimes looks like there is a conversation happening, but
Speaker 2: sometimes not. Sometimes it's ambiguous what's happening. There was no
Speaker 2: doubt in anybody's mind that a full blown conversation was
Speaker 2: happening between her and the person administering the test, but
Speaker 2: she couldn't hear the person administering the test, and so
Speaker 2: it was very strange. And at one point she started
Speaker 2: channeling a young girl who was very much like a
Speaker 2: young teenager, and her voice changed and she took on
Speaker 2: a very frantic and crying and sobbing. She just became
Speaker 2: very upset, was talking about different things and about her
Speaker 2: sister and her parents and all these kinds of things.
Speaker 2: It just intensified. Again. We're all away from her, but
Speaker 2: my tent was closest to the area where they were
Speaker 2: filming all this, so I could hear everything she was saying.
Speaker 2: Became clear that she was channeling a young teenage girl. Well,
Speaker 2: she and her sister were in danger. Something was happening.
Speaker 2: At some point, a gunshot goes off, and.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like it went off in camp, and I
Speaker 2: got really irritated that somebody would be really irresponsible and
Speaker 2: fire something right there in camp. We have a guy
Speaker 2: that's our security guy, and I knew he would feel
Speaker 2: the same way it would come running up. So I
Speaker 2: waited and was listening for him to run up and say,
Speaker 2: you know who did that, or just to get all
Speaker 2: upset about it. And then he never came. He was
Speaker 2: way on the other side of the camp, but I
Speaker 2: knew he'd heard it. Everybody heard it. And then a
Speaker 2: few moments later, I hear another gun shot and I'm like, guys,
Speaker 2: right here in camp, who was doing that? And then
Speaker 2: I could smell the gunpowder, so I know it's close,
Speaker 2: and so we come out of the tent and I'm
Speaker 2: talking to Natalie was with me. I was talking to
Speaker 2: Natalie and some other people that were there. I'm like,
Speaker 2: did you hear did your gun? Sally goes right here
Speaker 2: in camp? Some of the guys thinking it was some
Speaker 2: hunter's way out in the field or whatever, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I've heard some earlier this morning, but I haven't heard
Speaker 2: any recently. I said, but this happened right here in camp.
Speaker 2: I could smell the gunpowder. Did you smell the gunpower?
Speaker 2: She said? No, I said I did. And so anyway,
Speaker 2: after it was over, her test was we were talking
Speaker 2: to her and talking to the person conducting the test,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that was so weird. Did you guys
Speaker 2: hear the gunshots or whatever? Long story short, she was
Speaker 2: channeling two young girls who had been abducted from Tennessee
Speaker 2: and taken to the LBL and murdered. The case was
Speaker 2: never solved. I think Martin Groves, who is a big
Speaker 2: LBL person, authored the person A lot of people know
Speaker 2: his name, I think had some involvement with trying to
Speaker 2: figure out that case, or at least he was somewhat
Speaker 2: familiar with the case. There were two male names that
Speaker 2: she mentioned while she was channeling, and one of the
Speaker 2: names she mentioned, Martin said there was a guy that
Speaker 2: was a person of interest in that case. Trey had
Speaker 2: been a string the test and he said, I just remember, guys,
Speaker 2: she was channeling this event and there was a murder
Speaker 2: of two people. How many gunshots did you hear? We
Speaker 2: heard too, and then I smelled the gunpowder. And when
Speaker 2: I realized that, I was just mind blown because I'd
Speaker 2: never been close to anything like that. I start with
Speaker 2: that story because again I was told that the reason
Speaker 2: they liked to do stuff like that is if there
Speaker 2: is anything, if there are any elements of high strangeness
Speaker 2: that can sometimes serve as a battery to make it
Speaker 2: more intense in the area. So we went out. They
Speaker 2: wanted just the girls to go out, or just I
Speaker 2: think it was just me and Natalie to go out
Speaker 2: to this area with Martin where they had previously had
Speaker 2: a really major encounter with big sed creatures. They'd actually
Speaker 2: seen them, several of them had actually seen the creatures
Speaker 2: while they were filming the last time. And so Natalie
Speaker 2: and I went with Martin, the cameraman and we went
Speaker 2: in to this area. When we went in, we did
Speaker 2: some calls. I have a really loud call. I did
Speaker 2: some calls. We heard like a coyote go off, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, the feeling just got really
Speaker 2: intense in the area. It just felt like there were
Speaker 2: a lot of people moving in on us. Just got
Speaker 2: really intense. So some of the people there were feeling
Speaker 2: that there were bigfoot creatures in the area. They weren't
Speaker 2: the same ones that they had encountered in the past,
Speaker 2: and they were curious about me and Natalie because they
Speaker 2: felt like maybe not a lot of women had been
Speaker 2: up there, and so they wanted us to go a
Speaker 2: little further into the tree line. We had security guys
Speaker 2: in the wings, so to speak, watching us to make
Speaker 2: sure that nothing happened, because this area can be very
Speaker 2: dangerous with that kind of stuff. And so it was
Speaker 2: just me and Natalie in the front. The cameramen were
Speaker 2: back a little bit filming this, and then we've got
Speaker 2: security guys planted all around. I think it was Martin
Speaker 2: that it told us to try to go a little
Speaker 2: further in the tree line. That's what I heard in
Speaker 2: my brain. A collective no from all of the security
Speaker 2: guest base. But they didn't say a word, but I
Speaker 2: could feel it they did not want us to go
Speaker 2: up there. And so Natalie, she starts walking and I
Speaker 2: put my hand on her shoulder and hold her back
Speaker 2: and say, we can't go too far into this or
Speaker 2: they will all have a heart attack. We went as
Speaker 2: far as we dared in there. We were told to sing,
Speaker 2: so we started singing. As soon as we started singing,
Speaker 2: that really intense feeling of people watching us, a presence
Speaker 2: around us. It relaxed a lot. I've never had that
Speaker 2: experience before. I'd been in many places where I felt
Speaker 2: like I was close to one or maybe several bigfoot creatures,
Speaker 2: but I'd never had that intense feeling. And then I'd
Speaker 2: never experienced it relaxing so quickly, but yet feel like
Speaker 2: they're still there, still watching. We sang for a time
Speaker 2: and then it just got calm and it was just
Speaker 2: a hush. Then nothing else happened after that. The next
Speaker 2: night we went into another area. There was a cemetery area.
Speaker 2: It was a private road kind of place, and we
Speaker 2: got out on foot. It was a group of kind
Speaker 2: split out and during that night there were blobs seen
Speaker 2: on thermals. I got to talk to a blob. They
Speaker 2: wanted me to talk to it, so I did. I
Speaker 2: started talking to it, tried to pick it up, take
Speaker 2: it out on a date, that kind of thing. They
Speaker 2: were highly entertained by all of my antics. The blob
Speaker 2: just disappeared. But while that was happening, one of the
Speaker 2: guys filming and watching while I was entertaining the blob.
Speaker 2: I never saw it. I was just told to go
Speaker 2: over there and talk to it, so I did. There
Speaker 2: was one of the bigger guys. Something pulled him back,
Speaker 2: took hold of him and pulled him back, and he
Speaker 2: heard something whisper in his ear. I don't remember now
Speaker 2: what it said. It wasn't anything scary, just heard something
Speaker 2: and then something pulled him back that rattled him because
Speaker 2: nothing like that had ever happened to him. This is
Speaker 2: a big hunter guy that goes out in the woods
Speaker 2: all the time and has been researching bigfoot for a
Speaker 2: long time, and he'd never had anything like that happened.
Speaker 2: And so then we split up and we started hiking
Speaker 2: through this area. Orbes were seen. There was some movement
Speaker 2: and we did actually catch or one of the people
Speaker 2: in our not in our group, but in the other
Speaker 2: group caught on thermal something moving. They're leaning towards it
Speaker 2: being a bigfoot creature. I'm not convinced. I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly what it was, but the footage will probably be
Speaker 2: released in the upcoming shoot. But it was a little
Speaker 2: bit crazy that happened that night. So the next night,
Speaker 2: so this is two nights out from us going to
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot thing. They want to all girls, seem an
Speaker 2: all female team to go back up to the place
Speaker 2: where they had a previous bigfoot interaction when they were
Speaker 2: filming before. It was intense, the cameraman ran away. It
Speaker 2: was bad, and several of the people actually saw bigfoot creatures.
Speaker 2: So we went back up there as the same place
Speaker 2: Natalie and I had been and were singing two nights before,
Speaker 2: and this night is me and Natalie and four other
Speaker 2: women and just two cameramen. And we were told to
Speaker 2: go in and not be all sweet and maternal to
Speaker 2: be there like we meant business, to really go in
Speaker 2: very powerful and stand our ground and have our calls
Speaker 2: be more aggressive. So we did. We walked in. I
Speaker 2: put my hands on my hips because I was the
Speaker 2: tallest girl in the group, so I put my hands
Speaker 2: on my hips and got real big and real tall
Speaker 2: and just stood there here, I am deal with me.
Speaker 2: Everybody fanned out a little bit. We had one girl
Speaker 2: on thermal watching everything, and then we had a couple
Speaker 2: people with night vision on the other side, and then
Speaker 2: our cameramen were spaced out just filming us out there.
Speaker 2: Natalie let out a couple of really more aggressive, more
Speaker 2: masculine type calls. I did the same thing, and then
Speaker 2: the most amazing and horrifying thing happens. This pounding sound started,
Speaker 2: and it sounded like it was coming off the top
Speaker 2: of the ridge, but also in the tree lines around us.
Speaker 2: You could feel it in your chest, you could feel
Speaker 2: it in the ground, you could feel it through your feet.
Speaker 2: The image that came to mind to describe what I
Speaker 2: was hearing was something picking up like an oak tree
Speaker 2: and picking it up and repeatingly slamming it to the ground.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of sound that if I had to
Speaker 2: describe what it was, that's the closest I can come
Speaker 2: up with. It was really intense. It intensified, and then
Speaker 2: it started to change and sound like it was more
Speaker 2: beside us, on the tree lines around us. It changed
Speaker 2: in timbre to more like a drum. It became more
Speaker 2: rhythmic like a drum. It was crazy, And so we're
Speaker 2: all looking at each other, going, we all hear that, right,
Speaker 2: Everyone hears that? Right? Yes, we all hear it. So
Speaker 2: at that point, I am probably standing more in the
Speaker 2: point position and Natalie like right next to me, but
Speaker 2: I'm ahead of her, and the girl with the thermal
Speaker 2: is to my left but a little behind me. I
Speaker 2: started to get really I started to get sick. I
Speaker 2: started to feel really nauseated, lightheaded. I said that I
Speaker 2: started saying that to everybody, because I've learned that you
Speaker 2: need to say that if that happens, don't keep it
Speaker 2: to yourself. So I did, and Natalie said, here, get
Speaker 2: behind me, let me protect your energy. And I'm like, cool,
Speaker 2: I'll do it. So I get behind Natalie. Now I'm
Speaker 2: a foot taller than Natalie. Everybody's a foot taller than that.
Speaker 2: But we were on an incline with her being in
Speaker 2: front of me and me being behind her. She was
Speaker 2: pretty much blocking my vision at that point. When I
Speaker 2: went behind her, I started to feel better, and we
Speaker 2: tightened in our group. We got into a little tighter
Speaker 2: circle because somebody else started experiencing what I was experiencing,
Speaker 2: and so we pulled her in so she and I
Speaker 2: were right next to each other, and they tightened up
Speaker 2: the circle around us, and we started to feel better.
Speaker 2: And at that point we were still looking up the hill.
Speaker 2: Behind behind a tree. There was a ray of light,
Speaker 2: like if somebody was standing behind a tree and turned
Speaker 2: on a flashlight, but it was a dim flashlight. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a bright flashlight, but you could see it. There
Speaker 2: was like a light. We could all see it. When
Speaker 2: we look down at the top of the hill where
Speaker 2: this light would be shining, there were all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: three little entities at the top of the hill. They
Speaker 2: were crouched down. I could tell they were moving. I
Speaker 2: don't have great night vision, I could tell they were moving.
Speaker 2: But the others were describing them as really doing this
Speaker 2: kind of thing back and forth. They were doing this,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, so or those big foot creatures were
Speaker 2: just thinking what we want to do, see if we
Speaker 2: can try to get closer to it whatever. And then meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the person with the thermal is looking right in the
Speaker 2: direction that we are telling her where there these things are,
Speaker 2: because her night vision is shot because she's got the
Speaker 2: thermal up right, so she's looking she can't see anything.
Speaker 2: She can see nothing, there's nothing there on throw. We're
Speaker 2: all talking and looking at each other, trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what we want to do next. And then greg
Speaker 2: Our cameraman is in front of us at this point,
Speaker 2: he's in front and off to the side. He lets
Speaker 2: out three really aggressive calls and he does that. Then
Speaker 2: we turn back and look at each other and the
Speaker 2: beats start back up again. And then we're looking at
Speaker 2: each other and trying to figure out what we want
Speaker 2: to do next. We're talking about what strategy to employ next,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, greg Our cameraman, who's
Speaker 2: a little off to the side and up from us,
Speaker 2: jumps back and screams. All of a sudden, Natalie, who's
Speaker 2: in front of me, but again she's blocking my view
Speaker 2: when she's standing up straight and I'm standing behind her
Speaker 2: because her head's in front of me. She goes down
Speaker 2: with her bear spray and she fires the bear spray
Speaker 2: and I can see and hear the stream go out
Speaker 2: about twenty feet and I'm with my hands out ready
Speaker 2: to get her, because at this point I feel like
Speaker 2: something just tag the caravan, and they're about to tag Natalie,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, not today, Hey, you're not think I'm
Speaker 2: a friend getting ready to do. What she and Greg both
Speaker 2: saw was this entity that had long spinly arms and
Speaker 2: was humanoid like. It was crouched down on the ground
Speaker 2: and it was gloping and coming down and charging at
Speaker 2: them this way. So when Greg jumped out and I
Speaker 2: didn't see this at the time because I was focused
Speaker 2: on Natalie, he drew his weapon and he said that
Speaker 2: was the first time since he'd been doing any of
Speaker 2: this kind of research that he felt that he needed
Speaker 2: to draw a weapon. Natalie what she sprayed, whatever it was,
Speaker 2: she said, it reared back and it retreated. At that point,
Speaker 2: we had to retreat because it's bear spray and it's
Speaker 2: everywhere and we're all starting to cough, so we had
Speaker 2: to go back down towards the road where all the
Speaker 2: cars were. We heard really wild dog calls and howls,
Speaker 2: and then our girl with the thermal gets a hit
Speaker 2: on a humanoid shape across the field that was behind us.
Speaker 2: There are little fairy lights everywhere. Seeing those, some people
Speaker 2: were seeing colored lights here and there, and then once
Speaker 2: we retreated, it felt like that intense feeling or relaxed
Speaker 2: again because I guess we were off their land, out
Speaker 2: of their domain, and they were happier with us where
Speaker 2: we were. But I will never forget the sound of
Speaker 2: those drums and the feeling of that. I have never
Speaker 2: experienced that. I've heard of similar things happening to people,
Speaker 2: but I have never experienced that. Natalie and the cameraman
Speaker 2: were the only person that saw that entity coming towards us,
Speaker 2: And based on their description, with all the research that
Speaker 2: any of us have done, it most closely resembles what's
Speaker 2: known as a rake. A rake is a paranormal creature.
Speaker 2: It's not a bigfoot creature that I know of from
Speaker 2: what livided knowledge I have on it. But again, after
Speaker 2: doing all that that evening, I just walked away with
Speaker 2: so many questions. That night, I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was that night or the night after. Something was playing
Speaker 2: in the water. We had a wash basin behind one
Speaker 2: of the tents and something was playing in the water
Speaker 2: right behind Natalie's tent. There were drones flying through our
Speaker 2: camp like at four in the morning. There was weird
Speaker 2: stuff happening. Then twice our cameraman got really sick. At
Speaker 2: one point he got so sick he was walking like
Speaker 2: a drunk person and we had to take him by
Speaker 2: the arm and get him in the car. He had
Speaker 2: to go lay down for a couple of hours before
Speaker 2: he felt right again. And he got targeted twice. And
Speaker 2: that definitely sounds like the whole zapping phenomenon that's associated
Speaker 2: with bigfoot stuff. And it makes sense that they would
Speaker 2: come after the cameraman because they don't like cameras apparently.
Speaker 2: And speaking of cameras, we were filming all week long.
Speaker 2: We were there for a full week. We were shooting
Speaker 2: different things, sometimes around the campfire, sometimes in the field,
Speaker 2: just different things. Sometimes just stand ups where people would
Speaker 2: just talk to the camera about whatever they just experienced.
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Speaker 2: We watched them turn on the cameras. We watched them
Speaker 2: monitor them through the sessions of filming. We watched them
Speaker 2: take the cards and upload it into their computers. We
Speaker 2: saw the footage on the computer, we know it was there.
Speaker 2: So when all was said and done and they were
Speaker 2: back doing post to put the stuff together, to do
Speaker 2: the editing on one of the cameras, everything was gone.
Speaker 2: And this happened several times. There were multiple cameras running,
Speaker 2: but there was a camera that always by the time
Speaker 2: we uploaded, downloaded it all with steath, by the time
Speaker 2: that they got ready to do the post production and
Speaker 2: edit and put things together, it was blank. All of
Speaker 2: the information was gone on a particular camera. It wasn't
Speaker 2: always the same camera, because then you might be able
Speaker 2: to explain it as some sort of malfunction. It was
Speaker 2: different cameras, But what we did notice is that it
Speaker 2: was always the camera that was pointed towards the woodline.
Speaker 2: So take that for what it's worth. But all of
Speaker 2: these things happened, and there's probably several other things that
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting because the week was wild. But it really
Speaker 2: opened my eyes to how maybe all of these things
Speaker 2: are facets of the same diamond. Maybe there are just
Speaker 2: a whole lot more questions than we currently had answers for.
Speaker 2: And so as a result, that was one of my
Speaker 2: most recent times doing research and working on a film
Speaker 2: project at the same time, where I experienced things I
Speaker 2: had never before experienced, and it opened my mind to
Speaker 2: the possibility that maybe I need to be a lot
Speaker 2: more open minded.
Speaker 3: I think the longer you stay in this That has
Speaker 3: certainly happened to me over the years.
Speaker 4: Again, I've said it so many times.
Speaker 3: I've always been in the quote unquote flesh and blood
Speaker 3: camp when it comes to these creatures. I used to
Speaker 3: file those things away. I'd put them in those boxes
Speaker 3: that my cop brain put things into. Oh you're having
Speaker 3: weird lights and you're seeing craft and all this weird
Speaker 3: shit's going on.
Speaker 4: But you've also got bigfoot activity.
Speaker 3: So let me just focus on the bigfoot activity, because
Speaker 3: that's all I really care about. I can't do that
Speaker 3: anymore because so many people have these weird experiences that
Speaker 3: make no sense whatsoever. The rake thing, for example, I've
Speaker 3: covered it recently on the show over on Backwards Bigfoot Stories,
Speaker 3: and I think I even put something out here on
Speaker 3: sasquatch Ota. See it's actually from here in North Carolina
Speaker 3: from several years ago. I think it was maybe eight
Speaker 3: or ten years ago, maybe a little bit more recent,
Speaker 3: where this guy was driving down the road and he
Speaker 3: sees what looks like a Civil War soldier with blood
Speaker 3: streaming down his face.
Speaker 2: I know that encounter. I've read about it. It is crazy.
Speaker 3: He called nine one one because he thought somebody was
Speaker 3: genuinely in distress. He's calling nine one one and this
Speaker 3: thing jumps on the back of his moving pickup truck
Speaker 3: and he's screaming, that's not human, that's not human. And
Speaker 3: what he described very much what you said, Natalie and
Speaker 3: Greg saw was this rake like creature, this long, spindily
Speaker 3: armed ashen type thing that can only be described as
Speaker 3: what people know as a rake. It was circulating around
Speaker 3: and spinning around the drain in the Bigfoot community that
Speaker 3: people were posting this initially like he had seen some
Speaker 3: sort of a Bigfoot creature, but it turns out that
Speaker 3: it's something to me a lot more stranger. So those
Speaker 3: kind of stories, I have no reason to not believe
Speaker 3: what this guy saw. He called nine to one one,
Speaker 3: which to me, if you think about it, the average
Speaker 3: person that's listening to us right now, think about how
Speaker 3: many times in your life you've picked up the phone
Speaker 3: and dialed nine to one one.
Speaker 2: You don't do it very often.
Speaker 3: Most people never do, and when you do, it's typically
Speaker 3: something that you consider to be an emergency situation or
Speaker 3: at least weird enough for you to go I can't
Speaker 3: deal with this I need to call the police and
Speaker 3: let somebody else deal with this.
Speaker 4: So just the fact that he took it to.
Speaker 3: That point and called one, then he has this what
Speaker 3: sounds to me like a very genuine reaction of this
Speaker 3: oh shit moment once this thing jumps on the back
Speaker 3: of his truck. There's got to be something to that.
Speaker 3: So I no longer check those boxes. I just take
Speaker 3: all the data and put it in one place and say,
Speaker 3: I think it could be at least some sort of
Speaker 3: thread that ties between these stories that could in some
Speaker 3: way be connected. I want to be respectful of your time,
Speaker 3: but I do have a couple of quick questions I
Speaker 3: want to throw out there that I've been asking people recently,
Speaker 3: because I'm just curious to know. I have certainly evolved
Speaker 3: over the last i'd say three years or so in
Speaker 3: my journey with Bigfoot. I used to naively think everybody
Speaker 3: was in this for the same reason. They all wanted
Speaker 3: them to be discovered. They wanted to be recognized by science.
Speaker 3: I've certainly realized that that's not the case, and that
Speaker 3: has certainly changed from me in some ways over the
Speaker 3: last few years. So I guess the first question for
Speaker 3: you would be Where are you on the discovery the
Speaker 3: quote unquote discovery of these things? Is that something that
Speaker 3: you're really pushing for? And I guess the second part
Speaker 3: of that question is how do you think that's truly
Speaker 3: going to impact the species? Because I feel at this point,
Speaker 3: I don't know that they need us as human beings.
Speaker 3: I think they may be doing okay. And the only
Speaker 3: dichotomy that I wrestle with is if they are on
Speaker 3: the brink of extinction. And I do think there's a
Speaker 3: lot less of these creatures than most people in this
Speaker 3: would probably argue that there are. I think there are
Speaker 3: a lot less of them than most people would think,
Speaker 3: So I guess the question is two parts. Where are
Speaker 3: you on the discovery portion of this? Is that something
Speaker 3: that's really important to you? And ultimately, how do you
Speaker 3: think that's going to affect the species? If they were
Speaker 3: discovered tomorrow, next week, or next year by science?
Speaker 2: Where am I on discovery? I really would love to
Speaker 2: see one. I really would love to see one, just
Speaker 2: so that I know without a doubt that they are real.
Speaker 2: I believe that they are real. I believe all the
Speaker 2: people's stories. I believe in the encounters. I believe that
Speaker 2: you saw one. I just want to have that experience
Speaker 2: for myself so that I can say I don't just believe,
Speaker 2: I know that they're real. I think I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I don't think they really need us. So I think
Speaker 2: that if they were ultimately discovered and labels are put
Speaker 2: on them, if that's even possible. Because the more I
Speaker 2: do this and all of the stuff that I just shared,
Speaker 2: I'm still more than ever confused on what they are,
Speaker 2: you know I'm saying, So, I think we really have
Speaker 2: to understand what they are before we even have a
Speaker 2: shot and go into the next level, you know, I say,
Speaker 2: And I think they are so good and keeping to
Speaker 2: themselves and being seen when they want to be seen,
Speaker 2: that it's going to make it really difficult to tag
Speaker 2: a creature. Try to take a census of the population
Speaker 2: just say that did happen. I think that it's not
Speaker 2: going to do the population any favors, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. They've lived elusive in this state. They're obviously intelligent.
Speaker 2: They may have some other mission or some of the
Speaker 2: reason for being that we haven't even considered yet, because
Speaker 2: until more people start sharing all of these stories, we
Speaker 2: don't know what they are, so I don't know how
Speaker 2: you can just take a census of the population and
Speaker 2: try to preserve them. I just don't see how that
Speaker 2: works long term. I just don't see how it works.
Speaker 2: And I don't even think that's a road that you
Speaker 2: really even need to bother going down until you have
Speaker 2: some sort of really good idea about what these creatures
Speaker 2: are and why they're here.
Speaker 3: I definitely agree. Before we get out of here, you
Speaker 3: mentioned Relic Films. Let's talk about anything you want to
Speaker 3: talk about before you get out of here that folks
Speaker 3: can check out about you, Relic Films, What you have
Speaker 3: going on, Bigfoot related or otherwise.
Speaker 2: Sure. Yes, Relic Films is going to be working hard
Speaker 2: this year on a couple of different new projects, and
Speaker 2: we already have a talk show called Beyond the Ordinary,
Speaker 2: and we have our first year's worth of episodes are
Speaker 2: already out. You can see them on YouTube. It's Relic
Speaker 2: Films Media on YouTube. Then we've got several documentaries that
Speaker 2: are out, you can find those too on YouTube. We've
Speaker 2: got some big annoutsits coming. Seeing about where else you'll
Speaker 2: be able to find us for those things. But right now,
Speaker 2: we would love for everybody to subscribe to Relic Films
Speaker 2: media YouTube channel. If you want to follow me, you
Speaker 2: can find my page on Facebook it's Bigfoot Chick Adventures.
Speaker 2: Or you can follow me on TikTok or on Instagram
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Speaker 3: I'll make it easy for you guys. As always, It'll
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Speaker 3: Melissa some love. Melissa, thank you so much for sharing
Speaker 3: your experiences and coming on and talking to me. I've
Speaker 3: had such a blast talking to you today.
Speaker 2: Dere my pleasure.
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