Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shorely You Can't
Be Serious Podcast. We are here for the second part
of our Stone Temple Pilot's episode. We are here to
talk about the album Poor track by track. We've got
special guests with us today, mister Brad Moore from Louisyana.
Speaker 2: Brad, how you doing, Buddy?
Speaker 3: Doing great? How are you guys doing great?
Speaker 1: So, Brad, you are friends with James Buckley. Kids are friends?
Is that about right?
Speaker 3: That's correct?
Speaker 1: So I got to ask this question, did you tell
him about us? Or did he tell you about us?
Speaker 3: He told me about y'all.
Speaker 2: That's nice, That is awesome.
Speaker 4: He actually posted something to think on his Facebook page
and I was like, eighties nineties, that sounds pretty good.
Speaker 3: I'll check it out.
Speaker 1: Good, good, good, Well, we got together and did our
Motley Crue episode. In our White Snake episode, Jason pointed
out that you guys are our biggest and longest Patreon subscribers,
and I said, I bet they're going to love to
be called the biggest in the longest lines.
Speaker 2: That's right, All right, Well, I'm excited to dive into this.
This is an album that was released on September twenty ninth,
nineteen ninety two, as well as Alison Chains album being
released the same day. They both did the record stores
at the exact same time. Brad, what's your relationship with
these two albums.
Speaker 4: I had already known about Alison Chains just from Facelift.
You know, that was just a really good album. And
you know, some friends and I had kind of got
in once they got on the ground floor at the
grunch thing. But we'd gone to see Pearl Jam with Soundguard,
little dive bar and Dallas called the Bronco Bowl renovated
Bowling Alley. I mean, it looked like something that should
be in a grunge video. And there was like kegs
in the corner that you could go and buy your
beer if you're old enough.
Speaker 3: So we got into all that kind of music.
Speaker 4: I don't know about Alison Chains, but I had a
buddy of mine, two friends, actually, they worked at our
local record store called Hastings Books and Records, and I
was in there one day after work. You know, for
all you kids out there that's the Spotify age. Was
going for the record store and actually thumbing through everything.
My buddy was talking to me, and I just heard
this music playing in the background, and it was actually
the intro to Dead and Bloated. You know, you could
hear the megaphone and which I foun out later it's
actually not a megaphone.
Speaker 3: But I was listening to it.
Speaker 4: I was like, who are these guys, Chris and he's like,
this is Stone Tiple Pilots. I'm like who, and he said,
Stone Tiple Pilot It's a you know, new group. We
just got it in like yesterday. I'm like, okay, well,
i'mnn walk around a little bit. So I passed him again.
I was on the third song, which I believe was
Wicked Carden, and I was like, do you still have.
Speaker 3: Some of this here? And he's like, yeah, we got
like four copies left.
Speaker 4: I said, I'm gonna go check out now and buy one.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: It immediately came probably my favorite album I had in
my collection at times. Don't think I bought Dirt that
same day because I hadn't heard all of it yet.
Speaker 3: But uh, it wasn't long after.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me you bought four on day one.
Speaker 4: If it was the same day they got it in,
I don't know if they got it in that day,
but I had heard three songs just browsing to the
record store and that's when I bought it.
Speaker 2: That's really yeah.
Speaker 1: I wore I don't know if I mentioned this the
last episode, but I wore this album out, Like I
listened to.
Speaker 2: This album over and over.
Speaker 1: And if you talk to anybody I worked with in
my early days of waiting tables at TGI Fridays, they'd
be like, that guy is saying that dead you, Dead
and Blooded song.
Speaker 2: In the kitchen.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I actually know I saw Scott Wiland play solo.
I guess it's been about five years ago now here
in Monroe.
Speaker 2: He's been dead for seven so that would have been
a really.
Speaker 4: Well I may be off on that, so sorry, you
might have to edit that part out later.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is the time of life that
the days are long but the years are short.
Speaker 5: My friend.
Speaker 2: That's right. So you saw that in like twenty fifteen
or whatever.
Speaker 3: How do you guess at the time?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 4: I mean we were it was a small place, a
small bar, and I mean we were actually kind of
off the side there, and he walked right up within
five feet of me, and I was just looking. I
was like, man, he's right there, look good, and sounded good.
There was a point in the show where he missed
some words. I knew the lyrics too. I think it
was a Velvet Revolver song. It was still it was
a great show. I mean I felt like I saw
both those bands in the same night. I think he
died less than a year after that.
Speaker 2: All right, so before we dive in track by track,
let's talk about the album cover. This one has like
she's supposed to be like Eve from the Garden of Eden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the title of the album, is Core, and
the idea is the core of the Forbidden for It.
Speaker 2: Yes, so she's like presenting this gigantic apple and she's
kind of blurry. And I told you that the logo
for Stuntable Pilots looked like an eleventh grader made it
at lunchtime on their high school break. I would say
it's a skater ish.
Speaker 1: It's a very low fi title is probably a good
way to put it.
Speaker 2: So you're not a big fan. I like the album.
The album cover is not good in my face. Okay,
So all right, you like the girl buried in the desert, yes,
the naked girl? Yes? So once again. This album was
released September twenty, nineteen ninety two. That's the same day
as they also chains album Dirt. This has gone on
to go eight times platinum. It just crossed that mark
in December of twenty twenty one. I believe so big
sales for this album. It's their biggest selling album of
all time. I told d that when you signed up
for college classes, they handed it out with your schedule
because everybody at college had this album. It was just
on play NonStop in the ninety two ninety three era
for me anyway, So let's go back to that day.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to September twenty ninth, September thirtieth. Brad
has just gotten his CD from Hastings Books and Music.
Speaker 2: He puts it in his.
Speaker 1: Car and the first song to play is Dead and Bloated.
Speaker 6: Lock the Rolls Man, Lock the Rolls.
Speaker 2: Okay banger. Right out of the gate. You got that
great little gravelly, weird voice rap thing at the beginning.
Speaker 3: Brad.
Speaker 1: You mentioned before that it sounds like he's using a megaphone.
But he's not using a megaphone. But I've seen him
on stage and he does use a megaphone for the
album itself to get that sound.
Speaker 2: You didn't use a megaphone.
Speaker 1: You just used your the proficiency of your producer to
produce that sound. And what I love about the beginning
it is is it's so quiet because you turn it
up and you're like this.
Speaker 2: See you must be quiet, and you turn it up
and you turn.
Speaker 1: It up to you could hear the megaphone voice and
then all of a sudden, it slammed you in the
freaking face with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: According to Robert de Leo, he said that when they
recorded this, it is actually Scott singing into Dean's guitar pickup.
Speaker 2: He's singing into the pickup.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: I saw the video of him doing that. It's really cool.
So his face is right there and they made a
comment I thought you might know what he's talking about.
They say, are you ready, Fellini? His face is right there,
and they say are you ready, Fellini. He's like, let's
do this, and his face is right there. I think
it's cool. Eric talks about how when they recorded this,
they all sat in a circle with the drum kick
just off to the right. They faced each other, they
got pumped up like football players, and they played it.
They said they got it on the first take. What
you hear on the album is one take.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they recorded this whole album in only three weeks.
I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's crazy fast.
Speaker 1: Produce one of the greatest albums of all time three weeks.
Speaker 2: Well. I heard him talk about this. The lyrics on
this are weird. What's this song about? What are we
talking about here? What's dead? And bloaded? Scott Wiland said
that this is more kind of like a stream of consciousness,
just words that he thought sounded cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the things I read he was mostly
about possibly not having a lot of life experience and
kind of setting watching things go by.
Speaker 1: I think all of STP lyrics, I mean, and I
thought this from back when I very first started listening
to them, they have to mean.
Speaker 2: Something different to everybody who listens to him.
Speaker 1: Because there's not a narrative that goes along like You're
not getting you know, a story like you get in
a Billy Joel's song.
Speaker 2: You're not getting you know.
Speaker 1: A lover's poem to another lover like you get in
so many songs. These are songs that are very much
poetry in an abstract kind of way. You know you
mentioned in our last episode that these guys were working
across the street from each other. Dean was working in
a guitar shop at the time, and Scott, at least
at that point, didn't play an instrument, and so Scott
would come over when he'd get a song in his head.
Speaker 2: And that's what happened on this one.
Speaker 1: He walks over and he's like, it goes, and Deed
would get a guitar off and he'd play the lick
and he yes, yes, that's it, that's how it goes.
Speaker 2: That's how the song came in to be yup.
Speaker 4: They were telling Eric Kretz about it, and they were
sitting around the Mexican restaurant house in Ancelana's and they
were doing the beat. He started getting the table to
hill drum beats. Who knows what the white staff is
probably thinking at that time. It's very interesting to see
how all that stuff comes together. And they use the
term a lot that they frankensteined a lot of these
songs together.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: This is without question my favorite song on the album,
and it was never released as a single. This song,
to me is just all kinds of awesome. It makes
you feel like you're ten feet tall when you're walking
around listening to it on your headphones. It's gotten plenty
of play, it's gotten plenty of radio play because of that.
But it's just interesting to me that they've never decided
to release this one as a single.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting too when they toured with Lincoln
Park that Chester Bennington would come on stage and singing
this with them, and then later he became the lead
singer Tip of Pilots. Yeah, another tragic story to tell
a little bit later on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a perfect opening track. It just grabs you
and like, I want to hear what else is on here?
Speaker 1: So that brings us to song number two, which was
their first single off of this album, a song called
Sex Type Thing.
Speaker 2: Another banger man right out of the gate. This one
grabs me. I like this one, bladed. I am fully
invested at song number two.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 2: If you're if you're working after this at the gym,
this one will keep you going. Yeah. It flows so
well from dead and bloaded into sex Type Thing. You
just it doesn't miss a beat, kicks you right.
Speaker 1: In the growing, right.
Speaker 2: Right after the first kicker into the growing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I really like about this song coming It's about rape.
Speaker 3: Well that is well date rape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can remember listen to this and I'm like,
this really seems like a like a date raper guy.
Speaker 2: This is this is a guy who's going to be abusive.
But I still love it. But it just surely it's
not what it's about, right, So it is actually about rape.
It's from the rapist point of view, but it's meant
to sort of cast that light and say this is
terrible behavior, this should not happen. Ever, I mean, Scott
was very protective of women. Eric Kretz would say, anytime
they went to a bar, good chance Scott's getting in
a fight with somebody because of the way they treated women.
Speaker 1: But he decided to put himself in that guy's perspective, right,
you know, sit from that guy's point of view. And
we've had we've had so many songs that are like
that that you've it's not the point of view of
the particular singer. It's I'm going to play a part
here and write the words to come into my head.
That's get Unfortunately, I think there were a lot of folks,
since this was the very first single off of a
debut album, that didn't really get that.
Speaker 2: About the band Whenever the song first came out. This
reached number twenty three on the US Hot Tracks, Like
You Says their first single. You know who directed this video?
Josh Taft.
Speaker 1: Josh Taft from Pearl Jam, Josh Taft from Alison Chains.
Speaker 2: It's a rock concert, Josh. Yes, go back and look
at any I mean he directed Alice of Chains. Would
he directed Stone Table, Pilot's Plush, Pearl Jam, Alive Oceans
even Flow? This guy was a big grunge director at
the time. Gets called out by Eddie Vedder on the
Alive video.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is one of those that I think unfairly
true comparisons between Scott and Eddie and saying that he
was just kind of copying Eddie and using that yarl
that Eddie Vedder.
Speaker 3: Was famous for.
Speaker 4: And you know, if you listen to any stumped up
clilet s or Velvet Revolver or even Scott Wiland's, you know,
solo stuff, he can sing in so many different keys
and registers. That's just one of many things that he
can do. But most of their songs, you know, he
does not go back to that as much as people
accused him of doing. He was far more of a
dynamic singer than Eddie Vedder ever thought about being in
my opinion, now, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Was a different stop.
Speaker 1: He had more of a Mick Jagger dance around kind
of style, whereas Eddie Vedder was rowling or climbing the
rafters the video on this one, they're in a dungeon.
I mean to go along with that kind of weird
rapist mentality. It's these girls in the dungeon and Scott
has bleached blonde hair in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I can remember seeing this and then seeing
the video for Plush and I'm like, it's the same dude. Yeah,
I think it's interesting. He actually wears like a dress
and like white gloves and lipstick sometimes when he performs
this song, so that people don't think he's endorsing rape.
One more thing, This traditionally has been a good closer,
like a good concert closer for stunt up of balance.
Speaker 1: Well, we cannot leave the song without mentioning our long
friend and guy that if he comes up, we just
can't avoid it, mister weird. Al Yankovic covered part of
this song. It's is the alternative Poka of the Bad
Hair Day album out.
Speaker 2: Can we listen to that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Here please. I am, I Am, I Am, I said,
I want to guess next day. Yeah, I'm yeah.
Speaker 3: You what, mommy?
Speaker 2: That is fantastic. I love it. What are we gonna
cover Weird Owl? Well, he's gonna have that movie coming out.
We should do an episode on the new Weird Owl movie.
Absolutely should do an episode on the Weird Out. All right.
Speaker 4: He's actually coming to street Port very soon. I just
got an email on that. He's on tour right now.
Speaker 2: Mark it down, man. This is another one of those songs.
He and I had this conversation last. They do a
bad job of naming their songs in my opinion, because
nowhere in the song does it say sex type thing,
and so pop'll get confused about which song is this,
you know, because the chorus doesn't really go with the title.
And this is the I Am, I Am, I Am
song exactly all right. Next song is called Wicked Garden.
Okay for me, this is the third song in a
row that has gotten better than the one before. Wow,
we're ramping up.
Speaker 1: The music here is written by the Delio Brothers and
it's kicks by right out of the gate again, and
you've got a little different style of the vocals with Scott,
who wrote the lyrics of this song I want.
Speaker 7: To run Gods, and.
Speaker 2: He's I think he's really bringing it in with this.
What's this song about?
Speaker 1: This song is about people allowing their innocence and purity
to be lost from their lives.
Speaker 2: No, that's wrong, and that is a quote from mister
scotwak No. He's like, Okay, what's it about?
Speaker 7: This song?
Speaker 2: Is about sex?
Speaker 3: About heroin?
Speaker 2: Well, that might be a way that you lose your
innocence of your purity. Listen, this song is I want
to run through your wick your garden. This is I
want to bang your brains out. What you can't say
that radio? This is bang brains out?
Speaker 8: Brad.
Speaker 2: What do you think about this one?
Speaker 4: What I've heard is it's about heroin and it's about
describing the temptations that come along with the stardom and
you kind of lose your innocence and you run through
that wicked garden and there's no turning back at that point.
Speaker 1: I'm saying sex. Whatever loss of innocence you might have
about this song. It was one of the songs that
they had on.
Speaker 2: Their Mighty Show Young Demo in nineteen.
Speaker 1: Ninety They performed this one on MTV Unplugged the nineteen
ninety three which was another fantastic unplugged set. Man, if
you don't remember, if he's sit in that big old
rock and chair, what a rate unplugged show that one was.
Speaker 2: And then they also did it in ninety three on
the Data Let on the show I love this song.
Speaker 3: I think it used to be on a car commercial
as well.
Speaker 1: Jason, despite the fact that you think that this song
is better than the previous two songs.
Speaker 2: Yes, it also was not released as a single.
Speaker 1: It was a radio promo and it hit the charts
because of that, but it is it has.
Speaker 2: Never been released as a single. Once again, whoever's in
charge of choosing singles should be fine.
Speaker 1: When these guys got together to make this album, they
wanted to do what their rock heroes had done back
at the seventh They wanted to do what is that
one they had done. They wanted to do what the
Beatles had done, which was making out album that is.
Speaker 2: Good from beginning to end, not an album that's.
Speaker 1: Gotten two or three you know singles, chart poppers and
the rest is filler. They want something that the start
to the finish you were going to want.
Speaker 2: To listen to or sing a song. Well, so far
they're nailing it. They are.
Speaker 4: I'm with you on this one, Jason. I think it's
kind of the first three. It's the best of the
first three songs on the album.
Speaker 2: So this one reached number eleven on the US Mainstream
Rock Tracks even though it wasn't released as a single.
Freaking Love the song moving on to a song called
No Memory.
Speaker 1: So right after three kick button songs, we get a
song that gets faded in like it's almost as if
he's been playing for.
Speaker 2: A while and we kind of walk into the room.
Speaker 1: With him and it's a very mysterious, kind of almost
ominous guitar sound going on.
Speaker 2: Do you know the story behind this one, bron.
Speaker 4: Well, I know that the pretty So this album was
printing O'Brien and he had come back to them said, look,
this album's come together, but we need something else, and
so they kind of just threw.
Speaker 3: It together and when they were playing it, they're like, you.
Speaker 4: Know what, this would be a great segue into the
song sin, and so they kind of put it in
there and it just kind of, you know, just streams
in there perfectly, and it was a great idea, but
it was the song they just kind of came up
with at the last minute.
Speaker 3: They nailed it. It was perfect segue into that song.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think when I listened to this, I totally just
thought it was the introduction to Sin.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was a separate song. This was
written when Dean and Scott were living together and he
used to play it for Scott to kind of get
him in that somber mood ready to do something cool vocally.
Speaker 1: It's a really short song, it super short, only a
minute and twenty seconds long, but it takes us.
Speaker 2: Right into Sin. This is another great one, man, I'm
on board. Yeah. The guitar sound that they have is
the same.
Speaker 1: You could tell that this is an album where they're
not They're not doing a variety of different musical sounds,
but the style is distinct. Each song is different. And
this one again, you give us this nice little kind
of quiet wellis into calm and then jump right back
in with a thumb and kicker.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So Robert de Leo was a big Rush fan, and
more particularly was a big fan of Palaces Lives, and
so that segue from No Memory back into Sin was
very Russia inspired. According to him, they go back and
Dean talks about too that it was a very simple chord,
and then he hadn't really ever played it, but it
sounded so good and it was so easy that he
brought it back in again, you know, later on on
Tiny Music and meat Plow on Pasoline, and I said,
it just so easy and it worked in so many
places that he used it again and again.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got a story for you on this one.
You read this on Sin. The day, like the day
after they wrote this, they had a concert where Atlantic
A and R man Tom Carrollman came to see them
play a small club in LA and they were a
little bit bummed out because there's only like twenty or
thirty people in the entire club and when the air
and our man is coming down to see, you want
the place to be packed and hopping and all that stuff.
And so they opened with this song Sin. They didn't
have any of the lyrics and so that it's kind
of an instrumental beginning to that concert got it kicked
off with a bang, and the NR guy Tom really
really thought it was great. I have no idea what
the sign, but I mean, I'm looking at the lyric.
I'm reading the lyrics and I've read them multiple times,
and I still don't know what the song is. It
is the word sin in there anywhere?
Speaker 1: Yah?
Speaker 2: Yes? Is it? Kay? Down you go suffer long down,
you go Sin make me strong. Hey, here's something I
do know about Scott Whitler. He was raised Catholic. Of course,
you're taught about sin very much when you go to
Catholic church, or any church for that matter. I also
know he's a huge Notre Dame football fan, right as
Moot's young Catholic boys tend to be. He went as
far in two thousand and seven to write a handwritten
letter to Charlie Weiss, who was the head coach at
the time, encouraging him not to leave Notre Dame, which
I thought was funny for a rock star to be
a huge.
Speaker 4: Football My brother in law was actually on that coaching staff. Really,
he was assistant strength coach.
Speaker 2: There's at least an odds on chance that Scott Wiland
had heard your brother in law's name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably not.
Speaker 4: We did get to go up there once for a
game that was that was a pretty cool experience.
Speaker 2: Cool. Moving on to the next song, on the album.
This song is a song called Naked Sunday. Okay, So
you don't.
Speaker 1: Have a megaphone here, but you definitely have an interesting
double masking voice thing going on here where it's him singing,
but there's like this basified or lower pitch, almost Rowley
kind of voice, also saying alyrics that he's singing almost
like a demon, if you will, basified.
Speaker 2: That's the word, okay, Yeah, a basis demon. I like it.
It's demon cool. Okay. So Naked Sunday again lousy titled
because the words never appear anywhere in the song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it's the meaning is pretty clear.
I mean, this is about this is about religious hypocrisy
and the church trying to put people in a corner and.
Speaker 2: Telling them how to live. His feelings and thoughts about
that not being the right thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, And he even does his little preacher bit in
the middle, an eye for an eye too for a
tooth turn the other cheek as eye. As good of
a Catholic boy as he might have been, it was
not too much into the church at that point.
Speaker 2: I did hear that this song came very late in
the recording process. There's two chords involved, and when they
played it, everybody jumped in and it became a real
team effort. Aircrets talks about how he has really fond
memories of making this, you know, making this song. This
was also the song that they played when they played
it in the nineties. This would create the mosh pit
you and I have talked before. I'm not a mush
pit guy. Yeah you are. Oh I totally did it.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm not either. Yeah, you stand back and watch.
Speaker 2: I like listening. I like rocking out. I don't like
get punched and pushed and shoved. We don't really punch
each other. I mean, I'm talking like I did this yesterday.
I haven't done this since I was a teenager. But no,
it's just.
Speaker 1: It's a pushing and a shoving. But it's all like
in fun. Ohokays having fun are a wrestling match?
Speaker 2: Sounds good? Sounds good. Also on this one, when they
cut the demo, like they came in at midnight to
start the recording process, and like you said, this took
three weeks. Right, so you're doing a couple of night
you know, you're working a lot, and so at five
o'clock in the morning, everybody's kind of a little sleepy
and tired and not on their game. But they said
when the vocals hit it, it energized everybody and all
of a sudden, it's like sleep I'm not tired. And
they were all kind of pumping and jumping at that.
All right, So hit stop on your tape player, kick
it out, flip it over, dude, it is.
Speaker 3: I still had a tape player in my car.
Speaker 2: Telling me that in Hastings, you got the tape, you.
Speaker 3: Didn't get the CD.
Speaker 4: No, I got the CD. I took it home and
I dubbed it onto a blank and kept that car.
Now that I think about it, I think my best
friend bought dirt. We used to not ever buy the
same CDs, and we would take them to my house
and copy on and so that way we all had
always had a copy of everything the other one had.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember those days. Yeah, Okay, I'm sorry.
Let's pretend we have the tape. Go ahead, all right,
So back in ninety two when a lot of people
still had tapes, Hit stuff on your tape player, kick
it out, flip it over for side too, and we
start off with a song Creepest.
Speaker 9: Day mixed me walk Stay what the sweet mix me wal?
Speaker 1: I love the way that starts off. You got the
acoustic guitar. It's crisp, it's beautiful, it's you don't have
an over chorus part to it. It's just it's like
the guys there with you playing the guitar, and then
he comes in with that drums intro and it's just.
Speaker 2: It's a sweet, sad, beautiful beginning.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I heard him talk about this song. They say it's
not rock.
Speaker 9: Sick, sad, loaded hand gossip lots. Here say sad, loaded
hand gossip lot.
Speaker 2: It's not country.
Speaker 3: It's right down in the middle.
Speaker 2: He said that they were influenced by like seventies music
that included of course Led Zeppelin, but also Peter Frampton,
Jim Crochey, John Denver Fleetwood Mad. Yeah. So this is
a sort of a country rock feeling.
Speaker 4: This is one of those songs that kind of goes
back how ersonal they were and how vertual Scott's voice
was as well. I mean they could throw out the hard,
you know, heavy songs when they come back to this
and make it look like this was their wheelhouse and
this is what they were really really good at the
trick was they were good at all of it.
Speaker 3: And I mean it was totally different than anything but
on the album so far.
Speaker 4: But it's one of the greatest songs that they ever did.
Speaker 2: I was telling indeed that back in the days of
LimeWire and Napstra and stuff like that, that this was
popularly referred to on those platforms as half the Man
I used to be by Nirvana. Oh that's funny. Okay,
Now I'm gonna throw this out there. This song, I
gotta say the ultar boy in him is coming out.
I think this might be there's some Jesus lyrics here. Okay,
So take time with a wounded hand because it likes
to heal you with me.
Speaker 1: I can see how you could draw a religious outigory there.
I'm not sure that that's how it meant it, but
what it could be. So he did an interview with
song Facts just the year before he died, and he said,
that's just the idea of being a young person somewhere
caught between still being a kid and becoming a young man.
It's that youth apathy, that second guessing yourself, not feeling
like you fit in.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Jesus is in this song or
not wounded hand, I don't know. Well, it likes to
feel okay, all right, Hey. I do think it's interesting though,
that they actually removed the bridge from this song. Yeah,
I would like to hear the original version, uh huh.
But it made it flow better according to the.
Speaker 1: Release in ninety three as a promotional single that had
different vocal takes.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they had a different bridge or not.
Speaker 1: Well, let me just say this, there's a part right
in the middle where it basically goes back to the
intro guitar bit and it's my favorite bassline on this
whole CD or tapeer album.
Speaker 2: Then done. I just I love the way that he
walks it down, like here we go again.
Speaker 1: We're going to start write back over and I think
that has to be where that bridge would have been.
Speaker 2: But I love that they just walked it right back
to the beginning.
Speaker 3: Brad Thus, Yeah, this one was actually written in the
back of the state up a car, Robert's car when
they worked across the street from each other, just sat
there behind the guitar shop, hung out and read the song.
Speaker 2: We talked about that in our last episode. I think
that's awesome. I would love to go to parking spot,
Row three, section seven and find that spot and say, man,
this song was written right here. That's cool. I do
think it's funny. They ate a cheesecake factory before they
recorded this song, and when they came back, I guess
Scott had laid out all these candles and had the
kind of set the mood and once again they sat
in a circle, tracked it live, got it on the bank.
Speaker 1: So video for this song, so you guys k know
who gust Fan Zan is no directed Goodwill Hunting WHOA
directed mel I mean, he's a pretty prominent guy. He
directed a version of this video, but apparently it got
shelf because it had too much drug and sexual references.
Interesting did a second video. The director was Graham Joyce.
I don't know anything that they've done, but I'd be
interested to see to see that guest.
Speaker 2: Fan zan version of this video. Speaking of, do you
remember the last video that we discussed that was banned
from MTV?
Speaker 1: We did one when we did our Frankie Ghost to
Hollywood Relax one Hit Wonder.
Speaker 2: Episode, but that was just for the Patreon. That was
just for the Patrion. Something I don't Know You're all
I Need by Motley Crue, the song written in response
to Jack Wagner soap opera star Jack Wagner right and
apparently look like for a young quarter. Okay, what do
you think we've done with this one?
Speaker 1: So Robert, you said, they wrote in the back of
the car, he said, about this song, he said, musically speaking,
I was thinking about a song along the lines of
Part of Gold by Neil Young, which is in the
key of D minor, the saddest key of all. Scott
was thinking about the lyrics, and at that time in
our lives, we were struggling very much. What Scott was
writing about was a real life situation, also about me.
The thing about the gun creep is a very demeaning word,
and it was one of those instances where we looked
at ourselves and looked in the mirror.
Speaker 2: All right. Moving on to the next song on the
album called Piece of Pie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we are on the second song signed too.
And we have had slow songs, we've had fast songs.
We've had songs that I know what they're about. We've
had songs that I don't know what they're about. But
we have not yet had a skipper. This is a
good song after a good song, after great song after
great song.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. There's been no bad song yet. None of
these would have skipped so far, including this one, including
this one. It's kicking my butt, Okay, I love it.
Speaker 4: I talked to James earlier and I told them the
same thing I told you. I don't know which way
I'm going to vote on this one because I listened
to this.
Speaker 3: Entire album on the way to work.
Speaker 4: I listened to Derk just the other day, and there's
no songs on either one of these albums that I
ever skipped.
Speaker 2: I'm in that same vote, I really am.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I this is not a skipper, but
this is not. It's not a ten. You don't like this,
It's okay. You're trying to be nice, but you don't
like this song. It's okay, just say it. It's okay. No.
I like what he does bocally. I mean he's really
getting after like he's really leaning on those vocals, and
it blows me away. But it's not the best song
on the album. We're about to talk about the best
song on the album, but this ain't it. So you
mentioned Piece of Pie in our last episode, was tell
me about that? Yeah, So we were talking about the
early version of Stone Tumble Pilots where Scott Wiland had
a few childhood friends in the band who weren't just
quite up to stuff, and so they called Dean to
come in and kind of help him out on this
particular song. The guy that they had in place couldn't
do the solo very well. They brought in Dean. Christine
kills it and they all kind of look at each
other and they realize Dean's gonna come, and this guy's
got to go. And he saw the ride down the
wall and it has since forgiven him, and you know,
felt bad. That would be hard to have been in
Stone Tumble Pilots. And then all of a sudden you
realize I'm not very good.
Speaker 10: Well, we should listen to that solo.
Speaker 4: Like you said, he was just a he was a
rhythm guitar player and he didn't really have solos in it.
Speaker 3: Like you said, they touched things up, so.
Speaker 2: It only cost you millions of dollars, will be better.
I'm sure working in a safeway is just as good.
Speaker 3: There's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 2: By the way. This song Piece of Pie was cobbled
together some of the earlier pieces of a song called
Only Dying, which you can find on the thirtieth anniversary
of course. Awesome, all right, twenty fifth anniversary on the
twenty fifth anniversary, of course, because we haven't hit the
thirtieth anniversary exactly twenty ninth of this month. Thank you
for your correction, all right, So can we move on
to the best song on the album? I don't think
we're ready to go yet. I think we should listen
to Piece of a little bit more. Now, let's move
on to the best on the album. So they've done
a very nice thing for you, Jason.
Speaker 1: They've taken the song that you don't really care that
much about it and they put it right between an
awesome song at the beginning and.
Speaker 2: What's the name of this song that's coming up again?
I can't remember. This song is called plush.
Speaker 1: This song is the song that everybody was like, oh,
this is that Pearl Jams.
Speaker 2: Sounds band, and I can totally hear it.
Speaker 1: It's got that same kind of feel, but man, it
kicks my boot. Every time we covered this in my band.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I still love it. It is great hey,
summer of ninety three. It may be the top down,
turn it up song of that summer.
Speaker 9: Where you go on.
Speaker 1: So for the guys out there who heard this and thought, oh,
this is just a copy of the pearl jam style
or whatever, this is the one song that Eric Kretz
gets a lyrics credit on. Scott Wiland had done the
lyrics pretty much all of them. We mentioned in Creep
that Wyland and Robert get the lyrics on.
Speaker 2: That one, but this song.
Speaker 1: They wrote the lyrics to this song while they were
both naked in a hot time, back when they were
still Mighty Joe Young, before they had signed with Atlantic Records,
and before I might add, pearl Jam was a thing.
Speaker 2: They wrote the song Naked in the hotel about a
girl and smelling the dogs and where will find What
the heck is this song about? Don't you? These songs
are very abstract. So I did hear a story that
this is loosely based on a story that they had
heard about or a girl was kidnapped, killed and they
actually had to get the dogs to find her. I
guess the dogs began to smell her. I wrote a
song about it, like to hear it here, it goes.
Speaker 9: Where you go?
Speaker 7: Where where mask I'm around?
Speaker 9: When the dogs the games A smell.
Speaker 4: Where I do know that they said in somewhere that
I read. I can't find it right now. But Scott
liked to use words that had a feel to them.
Also had came up the name velvet revolver. Plush was
not sing something that it sounded good. It sounded like
you could feel the word.
Speaker 2: If they were naked in the hot tub, you probably
saw eric.
Speaker 3: Well played.
Speaker 2: So we got to talk about how you know. Because
of the success of sex type thing, they were invited
to come on head Banger's Ball on December fifth, nineteen
ninety two. They played an acoustic version of Plush.
Speaker 11: This is a song called Plush Enough.
Speaker 7: Times is good, so.
Speaker 2: Good, and it is awesome. In fact, they wanted to
the record company wanted to release it as a single.
They actually kind of bristled at that, and they didn't
want this to become the Plush album. But the song
was freaking good. I it was on radio all the time,
all the time.
Speaker 1: This is my girlfriend at the time says. They dropped
it about two notes whenever they played it live.
Speaker 4: Record company actually wanted this to be their first sync
Bad somehow negotiated full control of the creative process.
Speaker 3: Said well, we're not.
Speaker 4: Going to do that.
Speaker 3: We're gonna stick it all the way back here.
Speaker 4: At nine, so it doesn't define us as that song.
They knew it was going to be good. They didn't
know it's gonna be that good, but they knew it
was gonna be good. But they didn't want it to
overshadow everything else they had already done.
Speaker 3: It turned out to be a brilliant move.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, yes, it turned out to be a brilliant move.
But for me, if I'm a record executive, I'm like, guys,
this is the best song on the album. Let's come
strong right out of the gate. So I'm spiking my football.
This is the it's the pinnacle song of the album.
Speaker 7: Where fun.
Speaker 2: You like Radio Framelin Well, I do like Radio Freme,
and they don't have a power ballad for me on
so I got to hang my head.
Speaker 1: On this one right well, and this one in nineteen
ninety four for Best hard Rock Song.
Speaker 2: So good man, it belongs on the Headbangers ball Man.
I guess, I guess.
Speaker 1: By the way I saw something that said that this
was like the fourth most played.
Speaker 2: Song of the nineties. I believe it. Yeah, I believe it, like.
Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty three thousand spins in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: This is the song. So I've got a handful. I've
got like a Kathy playlist, right. My wife's name is Kathy.
Anytime I want fun Kathy to come out, I play
Motown Philly by Voice to Men, I play This Is
How We Do It by montal Jordan, and I've played
Plush by Stone Temple Pilots. One of these things is
not like the other, I know, but still this is
this makes fun Kathy come out. That's great, all right?
Are we done with this one? I hate to be
done with this one, all right, So that's gonna do
it for Plush. Let's move on to the next song.
If we can call it that. This is a song
I don't. This is song is called wet my Bed.
Speaker 12: Hey, everybody, where did Mary go? Where did Mary go?
And where's my only cigarette? Please think for me. I
can't bear to I'll just lie here for a while
within myself, wit my bit. If that's enough food.
Speaker 2: You just don't understand the marriage of the song. You've
got some interesting chords that don't quite along. The rhythm
section is almost like the ticking of a clock.
Speaker 1: But just think back to the Beatnick poets of the
fifties and you get an idea of what this song
is supposed to be. It is this kind of poet
on stage giving you a mental image, and you totally
have the image of.
Speaker 2: What he's got going on. This is not I don't
skip this one either. Whatever. Whatever beat Nick poets from
the fifties, I skipped them too.
Speaker 4: Brad Again, Now let's say if it was longer, I
would probably skip this one, but it's not very long,
so I just let it lee right into the next one.
Speaker 2: I understand they're going for this Beatles type of thing
on this one. This is dumb. Just cut this. I
like this. This is worthless. This is the album more personality. Okay,
we my Bed is the name of it. Once again,
Where did Mary go? I don't know? Where's my cigarette?
I don't know? Sometimes we done with this one, Web
my Bed. Let's listen to the rest. Okay, moving on
to actually a good song called cracker Man. A second
before we move on to cracker Man.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is like iron Land on the Allison eggs
exactly right.
Speaker 2: They each have one of.
Speaker 1: These kind of weird what is going on here kind
of songs, and it's not like they're the same song
or the same type of song even, it's just that
weird little hey, we're going to give you guys something
that you were not expecting, and they nailed it. We
were not expecting either one of those songs in.
Speaker 2: The middle of this album. That's most fine so far.
Iron I mean, I don't know, man, that's a matchup
for the ages Iron Gland versus web My Pet Skippers. Okay,
now let's move on to the song called crack Man SnO.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they jumped back in with this one, and
it's almost like they're saying, just kidding, just kidding, that
was just being silly, and it was that song what
my bad was.
Speaker 7: Roll roll Man? Alright, I'm made im mad.
Speaker 1: Just them goofing around like it's the first song that
they recorded for this album, the very first song. And
that's why when Brendan O'Brien comes in and says, all right,
what now that he's really like, okay, guys, let's stop
screwing around.
Speaker 2: Let's go actually record a real song.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's a very nice intro to
cracker Man, which kick brings it right back into kicking
the awesome crowds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Crackerman's awesome, awesome, It's it's one of those songs
like the first three on the album. It's it's a rocker.
You're you're captured by it thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of my favorite songs on the album
and always has been.
Speaker 4: I never knew what it was about until I read
up on it before we did this, And apparently there
was Scott and Eric shared an apartment downtown, and there
was a guy that kind of homeless and lived.
Speaker 3: Under the stairwell, and he called himself Crackerman.
Speaker 4: Scott would go out and get his coffee and he'd
always bring him coffee and you know, a little something
to eat, and he would spend time with him and
talk to him.
Speaker 3: And that's where they got the name. I don't know
if that's truly what the song's about, but that's where
the name came from.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. That's exactly I mean, that's almost identical to
the even close story from ten Ed. You better talked
about the homeless man than he fretted. And yeah, the
same type of story altogether.
Speaker 4: I recently read Greg Prito's book on his biography on
Scott Wiland, and that was kind of a reoccurring theme
that a lot of his friends.
Speaker 3: And those that were closest to him and would bring up,
was that he was a very.
Speaker 4: Compassionate guy, you know, and this was not out of
the ordinary for him just to strike up a conversation
with somebody he didn't know, or somebody that nobody else
would probably talk to.
Speaker 3: It was just a pretty nice guy.
Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting in this song, You've got
the line I'm thinking about a boy. His name was Sue.
It's got to be John.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 2: I love this one. Mark me down. I'm excited about
this one. Okay, moving on to the last song on
the album. This song is called Where the River Goes.
I love the intro to this.
Speaker 1: Song because, as I mentioned a few times, my favorite
led Zeppelin song is when the Levy Breaks, and this
is Eric doing his take on that incredible drum intro,
and I love what he does with it.
Speaker 2: I love how when Dean comes in with that wah
wah guitar, it just screams. It gives us something completely
different than led Zeppelin, but the drums man way to Go,
I love it finished strong, What do you guys Name?
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting that this was one of
the first songs I ever demoed as m Young and
they said, you hear that demo, it's n what's on
the record today?
Speaker 2: Though, that was interesting grabbed me as much as the others.
But it's good.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 5: It's good.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not wicked guard it's not a sex
type thing, but it's good. It's not as radio friendly exactly.
Speaker 4: The mom.
Speaker 2: I love already it.
Speaker 1: Really I know you do? I Know you? And not
only does it come in strong with the drums and
the guitar, he does, but as he does in so
many of these songs, he comes in not with word
lyrics but just to yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: He's willing to just make some noise because, like you mentioned, Brad,
the words in these lyrics, he doesn't use them so
much for their meaning but for their sound, because words
have their own musicality about them, and even to the
to the point of naming things like plush, which the
word never gets said in the in the song at all.
It is more about how the words sound as a
song and kills.
Speaker 6: It on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was the first song they wrote once Dean
joined there, So there you go. Okay, So that's going
to wrap up the track by track on Core, we
have to do just a little bit on the what
happens from here story?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the aftermath. Now this when this album came out,
it blew up. It is their best selling album of
all time. Then they came along and they did Purple,
and they did.
Speaker 2: I Love Purple, by the way, let's just quickly on Purple,
big empty, amazing, vaciline, incredible, an interstate love song is
mind blowingly good. Agree, And they were on a trajectory
that was going through the roof. I gotta say, and and.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you say that because for so many,
for so long, this was these guys were just the.
Speaker 2: Copy of the grunge movement band.
Speaker 1: Right, These guys weren't from Seattle, but they were doing
that Seattle thing with those other guys had already done
until Purple comes out. And I loved them already, I mean,
and so many other folks did that.
Speaker 2: When Purple came out, I was buying the day that
it came out. I was ready for it, and I
was ready for the next one too.
Speaker 1: It's just they established themselves as not just a knockoff
band when they came out with Purple.
Speaker 2: In the following album.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that in ninety four, just to kind of
show you the difference, because there were so many, so
many folks saying that these guys.
Speaker 2: Were just a cheap knockoff.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety four Rolling Stone, same issue. The critics say
Core is the worst album of the year, the fans
that it is the best new album of the year.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, strong feelings both ways.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I got to please the critics or
I got to please the fans, I'm going to want
to please the fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 2: You know what Scott Wiland attributed to the creativity that
he felt on Purple the Big Age, Heroin is what
opened his mind to the creativity that appeared on the
Purple album. The last stop in nineteen ninety three of
the Butthole Surfers tour, he tried Heroin in the back
room of a hotel in New York City and he
said he felt a golden glow.
Speaker 1: It sounds very similar to the Laye's Daily Story with
gold a couple of hooks.
Speaker 2: Again, graduated from smoking heroin to injecting it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: In ninety four, Purple's out hit after hit after hit,
selling tons of albums. He is now addicted to heroin.
In ninety five that come out with Dancing Days the
led Zeppelin song That was Awesome. Also in ninety five,
two days after getting out of rehab, he is arrested
for possession of cocaine and heroin. Whie fails him out,
but at a stop while he jumps out of the car,
runs away, goes to where Courtney Love is and they
spend the next several days shooting heroin together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was dope sick. I mean, we talked about
it when we talked about Nikky six, about how would
you just go a little while without the heroin? You
get physically ill, you get bad, physically ill. And so
when his was his wife that bailed him out, I
believe this is wife. When she was driving him away,
he was so dope sick that when she refused to
take him to get a hit, he decided, I'm going.
Speaker 2: To jump out of the car in order to find
a cure.
Speaker 3: For what ails me.
Speaker 2: So the Stone Double Pilot scrapped the whole nineteen ninety
six tour because he was completely addicted heroin. He had
no ability to go out and tour and sing and perform.
And then in nineteen ninety eight he's arrested in a
New York City housing project and he spends five months
in jail. This is one of the leads scene for
one of the biggest bands in the nineties. He's smoking
crack and injecting in a housing project. So in two
thousand and two, Matt Soum Duff McKagan slash Dave Kushner
have created a super band. They're looking for a singer,
which I heard at the time they really wanted Billy Idam,
which is interesting. But they hired Scott Wiland to sing
for them and it became Velvet Revolver and it they
put two great albums out. Yeah, absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1: I mean you, that'd be Another interesting comparison is to
compare Matt Season to Velvet Revolver.
Speaker 2: The bands that the lead singers.
Speaker 1: Of the bands were preparing it they went to after
they lost their place in the bands that they were in.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Both of them had some amazingly good songs, good music,
but things were changing at this time. This was when
people stopped buying albums and started downloading songs, which meant
he wasn't getting money from album sales, and he wasn't
getting money from record companies because they.
Speaker 2: Weren't getting money from album sales. And so this decision
to join Velvet Revolver to him was more of a
financial decision than an artistic decision.
Speaker 1: They said, he said, they sent him a bunch of
songs and he said, this sounds like nothing I would sing.
Speaker 2: So they're like, okay, well here's some others.
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, well, I got I gotta have money,
you know, I got to I got to be able
to pay child support. I've got to be able to
live the lifestyle that I've grown accustomed to. And so
Velvet Revolver, as good as it was with something he
did to the money wow, and then after doing it
for eight years, kind of running under the same problem
with the band members of you know, like, why aren't
you doing better than you are?
Speaker 2: He was like a STP Can I come back?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I heard about this, right, this is an interesting
story to me. So he starts showing up late to concerts,
and Slash and Duff and Matt Soorm are like, oh,
you know, like PTSD. Right, So as soon as he
starts showing up late, they their red flags go up.
They can't take it anymore, and so they fire him
in two thousand and eight. At that same time, he
was wanting to kind of do STP and Velvet Revolver,
and they were not good with that. But he just continually, continually,
continually had drug problem. When he was interviewed by Esquire
magazine in two thousand and eight, he actually explained why
he still had drug problems.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 2: I thought this was super insightful. They said, why haven't
you been able to quit? And here's his quote, I
never wanted to quit. If you have a heroin addict
who doesn't want to quit and everybody in the world
wants you to quit, it ain't gonna work.
Speaker 3: It's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: I saw him just after the release of his book
in twenty eleven interviewing with Howard Stern. He was late
for that show too, by the way, But when he's
talking he does not seem to be under the influence
of anything. He's intelligent, he's parent, he's I think if anything,
he's struggling with the fact that Howard Stern keeps erupting
him and keeps trying to take him down the dark paths.
Speaker 2: Like basically encouraging him to you know, man, your life
sucks you. You had to do these drugs, you had
to do these things, and just I mean just awful,
awful stuff.
Speaker 1: And then Gosh questions him in detail about the rape
he had when he was a child. I mean, it's
just it's horrible because he starts off, I mean, Scott
Wiland seems upbeat and happy and by the end he's
just staring at the floor.
Speaker 2: I am marking this.
Speaker 1: I'm marking the spot. You can catch it on YouTube.
Howard Stern interview with Scott Wiland. This is where Scott
Wiland turned back to drugs and ultimately takes.
Speaker 2: His inn life. Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you mentioned something and Howard Stern asked this
question because they brought up Kurt Cobain and he was like,
do you ever think about that?
Speaker 2: He's like, heck, yeah, I thought about that, And I
think that goes about what you're talking about of there's
not a reason to quit, there's a reason not to quit. Yeah,
He said that I don't really understand why people keep
trying to take this away from me. It's the only
thing that keeps me from blowing my head off. And
he's got a family, and he's got children. I just
this just kills me. Listen to this. So in May
of twenty fifteen, you can see this on YouTube as well,
he's playing a concert with his new band called Scott
Wiland and the wild Abouts. They're playing at Columbus in Columbus, Ohio,
and he has the most apathetic, uninspired, terrible concert. I
mean watching him sing vaciline, it's awful.
Speaker 1: He's definitely under the influences. He can barely stand up,
you could barely stand out be slurring his words.
Speaker 2: He's not singing the right words.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 2: When Matt Storm talks about it, when Scott Wiland started
showing up late and started struggling, he said, when Axel
would show up finally he would sound fantastic. Scott would
show up late and he would suck. And that was
one of the reasons too that they had to fire.
But on December third, twenty fifteen, Scott Wiland and the
wild Abouts go to Bloomington Minnesota. The show was actually
canceled because they didn't sell enough tickets to have the concert.
I sold less than one hundred tickets. Oh, so he
goes back in the back of the bus, he goes
to sleep. The guys get up the next day or whatever,
and they're they're going to go check out them all
of America. They're going to go scout out town or whatever.
And they had sort of understood that if Scott's sleeping,
you don't wake him up. And his wife called and
said go wake him up. And when they went in there,
of course, was that another tragic loss to Heroin. It
would be interesting to decide. I think between Lane Staley's death,
which was horrible and tragic, and compared to Scott Wyland's death,
I think Scott Wyland is worse because there's children involved
to take us further down into the deep, darker deaths.
Speaker 1: When they decided to replace Scott in the band, they
picked the lead singer of Lincoln Park, Chester Bennington.
Speaker 2: So Chester Bennington. He had a happy ending though, correct,
no you setting me up here, Yes, I'm teeing you up.
So he's on vacation with his wife and his family,
just like you're talking about what is the saddest of
these sad tales? He says, I'm going to go.
Speaker 1: Back to the house and do some work. Nine am,
July twenty, twenty seventeen. Next morning, house keeper comes at
sees him hanging from sea. I wish for anybody else
who's out there who might be feeling those feelings, that
you don't have to be sad.
Speaker 2: There are things to do that you can address.
Speaker 3: The issue with.
Speaker 1: Just talk to somebody as opposed to ending at all,
because I think most of the time, if you ask
the question would you rather be gone or would you
rather just not be sad, the answer is you'd just
rather not be sad. Their medication, their therapies. There are
other things that you can do to address the feelings
that you have. Interestingly, Bennington died on what would have
been Chris Cornell's fifty third birthday, two months after he
had also committed to so.
Speaker 2: On that note, let's do our final adjustment. Well, hey,
I got a little bit of a happy note.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I seen you a song earlier today talking
about the kids in the legacy. Noah Wiland is now twenty.
I think he's about twenty years old. He has done
some music with Slash's Kid. But if you go to
Noah Wland on Spotify, he didn't have a lot of
followers like seven hundred, but if you listen.
Speaker 2: To his music you can hear Scott. I mean, it's
some good music. It is some quality stuff. Go check
out Noah Wiland on Spotify and catch just a glimpse
of the legacy in the Scott left way.
Speaker 13: Okay, guys, we have now finished with Stone Temple Pilot's Core. Yep,
we have gone through Dirt by Alison Chains. We are
now bringing back James Buckley, who went through that history
and that album with us, to give his opinion on
which is better Dirt or Core.
Speaker 2: James here on man.
Speaker 8: First off, let me set the stage. In the early
nineties was a pretty heady time for a music lover.
Every week it seemed like there was something new and
fabulous coming out and I couldn't wait to listen to it.
I bought the new Stone that I bought Core when
it came out, and I also got Dirt, and I
really liked them both. I don't think Stone Temple Pilots
is an amazing band, but Core was their first album.
You could tell it was the sound of a band
still trying to find its musical feat. There's some great songs,
but nothing compared to what you would hear on later
Stone Temple Pilot's albums, like the Purple Album and things
that that the band will really developed into an amazing band.
That said, Dirt is just such an awesome, heavy, beautiful,
dark master sace that I don't think it can be topped.
This was Allison Chane's second full length album. They had
time before we developed their sound, so they were a little.
Speaker 2: Bit ahead of the race. Went there at Stalk the Pilots.
Speaker 8: I will never pass up a chance to listen to Core.
I do think it's great, But if forced to choose
between the two, I'm gonna go Dirt every time.
Speaker 2: All Right, Brad, we are dying to know your final
judgment between Alison Chains Dirt and Stone Tumble Pilot's Core Brother.
Speaker 4: Okay, So you know, the thing that I keep telling
myself is this is a debut album, and there's just
not that many good debut albums like that.
Speaker 3: There's only a handful amount that that I've ever been
like that.
Speaker 4: However, I think that Allison Chains was in their Wheelhouse,
you know, in their Complete Crime.
Speaker 3: When Dirt came out. It's a fallus album.
Speaker 4: They really both are, and I probably have to do
with Dirt if I had to pick one of them,
it's one.
Speaker 2: A and one point one Wow, want.
Speaker 4: To you know, it's it's They're right there. But I
think I probably have to go to Darren and listen
to it just a little bit more. But man, it's
not my very much of Marchin.
Speaker 3: That's what I have to go with.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, Okay, Jason, what are your thoughts? Okay, So
when we started out this, when you said, hey, we
got to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary of these two, actually
you said let's celebrate the twenty ninth anniversary, and we said, no,
let's push it one more year. I in my mind
was like I had Stone Tuble Pilot. I had several
Stone Table Pilot's albums. I didn't ever really get into
Alison Chains when they were popular in the nineties, But
since I've dived into this, my appreciation and respect and
enjoyment of Allison Chains has increased great. I mean, the
songs that I listened to are are really great songs.
And Dirt was awesome, but I'm a feel good guy,
and there's a lot of songs about drugs on Dirt
that just don't really hit me right now. They're good, songs,
are really good, but for me, I'm going more. I
just I just lean more towards the top. Down, turn
it up STP album of Core. Look, I mean these
songs you just crank up and you sing along. You
haven't a great time. So mark me down, spike the
football for me, it's Core, Stone Temple Pilots d Okay.
So James is on dirt, so go one for dirt,
one for Core, two for dirt for dirt yep. So
now it's up to me, okay, where you're at, let's
hear it?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So both of these songs were on heavy rotation with me.
As I said, I might have gotten them both from
the same Columbia house order. They may have both come
to me for a penny one day and I wore
them both out. They are both phenomenal albums from beginning
to end. There are songs that I would not describe
quite as skippers for the most part, but songs that
are less good than some of the other songs on
the album.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Dirt so many amazing songs.
Speaker 1: I mean, You're the entire first side is one of
the best first sides of all first sides. And then
when you go to the second side, yeah, you get
heavy into the songs that are about the spiral downward
of drug addiction.
Speaker 2: And some of them are really good.
Speaker 1: I mean, Angry Chair is a fantastic song, but some
of them are they don't give me enough to keep
me churning through time after time after time. Like the
songs on Core do Core I can listen to from
the beginning to the end. I don't even skip wet
my bed.
Speaker 2: I listen to all of it and love all of
it every single time, and have for thirty years now.
And so I've got to say, as much as I
love Fair, and I love it a lot, or is
the winner for me. So we have, gentlemen, time I push,
so a push if you will. I think that this
is probably you really used to say that.
Speaker 1: So I think this is the time that I have
to say, let's do the Shirly showcase. Because I am
my neighbor who is the biggest Allison Chains fan of
all time that I've ever met in my life. To
give me her opinion on this, and apologies for how
this may sound. We were in the middle of a
get together where there were other people talking, but hopefully
her opinion comes through clearly.
Speaker 14: Okay, So, without further ado, this is my dear friend
Kristin Pirozak to tell us her thoughts on Core versus Dirk.
Speaker 2: How does someone who has.
Speaker 1: Named their child after the lead singer of Alison Chain's
pick coor over Derrek.
Speaker 15: I was a little bit late into the game because
I was younger in nineteen ninet two.
Speaker 16: It was ten years old, so I had older sisters,
so I didn't kind of come into the grownge scene
until I was a little bit older. When I was
listening to all of these albums, never Mind Dirt Core
was the teenage ankst.
Speaker 15: For me, versus never Mind Didn't Blow.
Speaker 2: It was that song for me.
Speaker 15: My coming of age of music was all happening at once,
even though it was a little bit late for the time.
Jar Flies was my big awakening Alison Chain's moment.
Speaker 2: So you know, when you love a band, you fall
in love what they've got.
Speaker 15: At the time, and then you go back to their
old stuff.
Speaker 16: So to me, I was going backwards to Dirt, but
like me, when I fell in love with Alison Chaine's
it was more Jarriflies.
Speaker 15: Dirt was okay.
Speaker 16: But when I think, at the same time, I was
listening to Core and Ten, so it was the song
Wet my Bed from Core that reminded me of something
off Vitology, So to me, like I almost put Core
in Vitology at the same time, which I was loving
Pearl Jam from Ten, so I was listening to Vitology.
It was just this extreme interest because I love Ten
so much and then I'm having Core at the same time.
Speaker 15: So I think all of that, just to me was
overriding my love for Alison Chains.
Speaker 16: Blane State, like Lane Staley is almost a separate entity
to me than Alison Chains because Alison Jameson was a
Jerry Cantrell Lane Stay compilation album. Wise, Core for sure,
like I can listen to that NonStop. It almost makes
me think of the hair bands a little bit, and
I was not into the hairband scene like career wise,
Alison Chains far surpasses Stone Table, Violots, Facelift and Jarflies
and Unplugged.
Speaker 15: Lane Staley was the vocalist of all vocalists of all.
Speaker 16: Of the grunge era, all of the grunge era, nobody
compares to Lane Staley.
Speaker 15: I mean, you could never pair Scott Wiland with Lane Staley.
Blanees Daly holds the torch.
Speaker 16: He was this quiet, quiet soul and then when he sang,
his voice came out.
Speaker 5: I was the Lane's daily fan, you know.
Speaker 2: For somebody who loves Dirt, she sure loves Core a
little bit more.
Speaker 14: Well, it's it's all about when you get the music, man,
I mean, when you hear it and when you fall
in love with certain things. I think that's I mean,
we've we've had it happened to us many times before.
It's the nostalgia factor, if you will. Absolutely, I think
it hit her right on this one. But it's it's
just kind of crazy to think that she's so much
a bigger fan of that album than Dirt.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kristin, thank you very much.
Speaker 14: Yeah, thanks Kristin.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: Looks like we've got the Tidebreaker. Sorry, Louisiana.
Speaker 1: Two Core guys, guys, fans, please let us know your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Who are you picking? Is it?
Speaker 1: Are you picking Allison Chains at Dirt? Are you picking
stp and core. Who do you think has the better
full body of work? Let us know your thoughts. You
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each and every one of these episodes.
Speaker 2: We hope you loved it.
Speaker 1: We will be back next week with special guest Andy
Fry to talk about his.
Speaker 2: Book ninety Days in the Nineties and falls right in
what we're listening to right now. I'm excited to do that.
Speaker 3: Brad.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your support. Thank you for
coming in and weighing in on this with us.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me so good to meet you, Thanks
for thanks for being there. I'll do it again time
you can be my help.
Speaker 2: I really thought you were going to line up with
stuntimble pallets.
Speaker 3: I thought I was too.
Speaker 4: Before we did this, I just kind of started thinking
about look at the siding just I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's very very close.
Speaker 2: Though, to begin to smell
Speaker 9: Well, to smell alone,