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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shorely You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here for the second part

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of our Stone Temple Pilot's episode. We are here to

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talk about the album Poor track by track. We've got

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special guests with us today, mister Brad Moore from Louisyana.

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Speaker 2: Brad, how you doing, Buddy?

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Speaker 3: Doing great? How are you guys doing great?

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Speaker 1: So, Brad, you are friends with James Buckley. Kids are friends?

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Is that about right?

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Speaker 3: That's correct?

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Speaker 1: So I got to ask this question, did you tell

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him about us? Or did he tell you about us?

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Speaker 3: He told me about y'all.

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Speaker 2: That's nice, That is awesome.

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Speaker 4: He actually posted something to think on his Facebook page

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and I was like, eighties nineties, that sounds pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I'll check it out.

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Speaker 1: Good, good, good, Well, we got together and did our

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Motley Crue episode. In our White Snake episode, Jason pointed

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out that you guys are our biggest and longest Patreon subscribers,

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and I said, I bet they're going to love to

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be called the biggest in the longest lines.

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Speaker 2: That's right, All right, Well, I'm excited to dive into this.

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This is an album that was released on September twenty ninth,

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nineteen ninety two, as well as Alison Chains album being

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released the same day. They both did the record stores

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at the exact same time. Brad, what's your relationship with

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these two albums.

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Speaker 4: I had already known about Alison Chains just from Facelift.

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You know, that was just a really good album. And

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you know, some friends and I had kind of got

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in once they got on the ground floor at the

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grunch thing. But we'd gone to see Pearl Jam with Soundguard,

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little dive bar and Dallas called the Bronco Bowl renovated

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Bowling Alley. I mean, it looked like something that should

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be in a grunge video. And there was like kegs

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in the corner that you could go and buy your

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beer if you're old enough.

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Speaker 3: So we got into all that kind of music.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about Alison Chains, but I had a

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buddy of mine, two friends, actually, they worked at our

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local record store called Hastings Books and Records, and I

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was in there one day after work. You know, for

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all you kids out there that's the Spotify age. Was

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going for the record store and actually thumbing through everything.

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My buddy was talking to me, and I just heard

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this music playing in the background, and it was actually

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the intro to Dead and Bloated. You know, you could

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hear the megaphone and which I foun out later it's

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actually not a megaphone.

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Speaker 3: But I was listening to it.

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Speaker 4: I was like, who are these guys, Chris and he's like,

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this is Stone Tiple Pilots. I'm like who, and he said,

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Stone Tiple Pilot It's a you know, new group. We

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just got it in like yesterday. I'm like, okay, well,

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i'mnn walk around a little bit. So I passed him again.

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I was on the third song, which I believe was

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Wicked Carden, and I was like, do you still have.

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Speaker 3: Some of this here? And he's like, yeah, we got

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like four copies left.

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm gonna go check out now and buy one.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: It immediately came probably my favorite album I had in

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my collection at times. Don't think I bought Dirt that

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same day because I hadn't heard all of it yet.

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Speaker 3: But uh, it wasn't long after.

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Speaker 2: So you're telling me you bought four on day one.

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Speaker 4: If it was the same day they got it in,

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but I had heard three songs just browsing to the

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record store and that's when I bought it.

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Speaker 2: That's really yeah.

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Speaker 1: I wore I don't know if I mentioned this the

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last episode, but I wore this album out, Like I

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listened to.

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Speaker 2: This album over and over.

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Speaker 1: And if you talk to anybody I worked with in

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my early days of waiting tables at TGI Fridays, they'd

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be like, that guy is saying that dead you, Dead

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and Blooded song.

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Speaker 2: In the kitchen.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I actually know I saw Scott Wiland play solo.

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I guess it's been about five years ago now here

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in Monroe.

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Speaker 2: He's been dead for seven so that would have been

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Speaker 4: Well I may be off on that, so sorry, you

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might have to edit that part out later.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is the time of life that

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the days are long but the years are short.

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Speaker 5: My friend.

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Speaker 2: That's right. So you saw that in like twenty fifteen

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or whatever.

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Speaker 3: How do you guess at the time?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 4: I mean we were it was a small place, a

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small bar, and I mean we were actually kind of

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off the side there, and he walked right up within

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five feet of me, and I was just looking. I

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was like, man, he's right there, look good, and sounded good.

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There was a point in the show where he missed

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some words. I knew the lyrics too. I think it

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was a Velvet Revolver song. It was still it was

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a great show. I mean I felt like I saw

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both those bands in the same night. I think he

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died less than a year after that.

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Speaker 2: All right, so before we dive in track by track,

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let's talk about the album cover. This one has like

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she's supposed to be like Eve from the Garden of Eden.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the title of the album, is Core, and

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the idea is the core of the Forbidden for It.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so she's like presenting this gigantic apple and she's

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kind of blurry. And I told you that the logo

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for Stuntable Pilots looked like an eleventh grader made it

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at lunchtime on their high school break. I would say

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it's a skater ish.

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Speaker 1: It's a very low fi title is probably a good

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Speaker 2: So you're not a big fan. I like the album.

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The album cover is not good in my face. Okay,

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So all right, you like the girl buried in the desert, yes,

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the naked girl? Yes? So once again. This album was

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released September twenty, nineteen ninety two. That's the same day

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as they also chains album Dirt. This has gone on

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to go eight times platinum. It just crossed that mark

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in December of twenty twenty one. I believe so big

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sales for this album. It's their biggest selling album of

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all time. I told d that when you signed up

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for college classes, they handed it out with your schedule

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because everybody at college had this album. It was just

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on play NonStop in the ninety two ninety three era

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for me anyway, So let's go back to that day.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to September twenty ninth, September thirtieth. Brad

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has just gotten his CD from Hastings Books and Music.

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Speaker 2: He puts it in his.

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Speaker 1: Car and the first song to play is Dead and Bloated.

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Speaker 6: Lock the Rolls Man, Lock the Rolls.

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Speaker 2: Okay banger. Right out of the gate. You got that

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great little gravelly, weird voice rap thing at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned before that it sounds like he's using a megaphone.

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album itself to get that sound.

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Speaker 2: You didn't use a megaphone.

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Speaker 1: You just used your the proficiency of your producer to

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produce that sound. And what I love about the beginning

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it is is it's so quiet because you turn it

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Speaker 2: See you must be quiet, and you turn it up

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Speaker 1: It up to you could hear the megaphone voice and

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then all of a sudden, it slammed you in the

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freaking face with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: According to Robert de Leo, he said that when they

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Speaker 2: He's singing into the pickup.

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Speaker 2: I saw the video of him doing that. It's really cool.

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They say, are you ready, Fellini? His face is right there,

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and they say are you ready, Fellini. He's like, let's

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do this, and his face is right there. I think

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it's cool. Eric talks about how when they recorded this,

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they all sat in a circle with the drum kick

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just off to the right. They faced each other, they

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got pumped up like football players, and they played it.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they recorded this whole album in only three weeks.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy fast.

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Speaker 1: Produce one of the greatest albums of all time three weeks.

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this are weird. What's this song about? What are we

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talking about here? What's dead? And bloaded? Scott Wiland said

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about possibly not having a lot of life experience and

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Speaker 1: I think all of STP lyrics, I mean, and I

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Speaker 2: Something different to everybody who listens to him.

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Speaker 1: Because there's not a narrative that goes along like You're

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a Billy Joel's song.

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Speaker 2: You're not getting you know.

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Speaker 1: A lover's poem to another lover like you get in

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so many songs. These are songs that are very much

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poetry in an abstract kind of way. You know you

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across the street from each other. Dean was working in

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a guitar shop at the time, and Scott, at least

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Speaker 2: And that's what happened on this one.

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Speaker 1: He walks over and he's like, it goes, and Deed

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would get a guitar off and he'd play the lick

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and he yes, yes, that's it, that's how it goes.

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Speaker 2: That's how the song came in to be yup.

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Speaker 4: They were telling Eric Kretz about it, and they were

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hill drum beats. Who knows what the white staff is

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probably thinking at that time. It's very interesting to see

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how all that stuff comes together. And they use the

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term a lot that they frankensteined a lot of these

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: This is without question my favorite song on the album,

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and it was never released as a single. This song,

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to me is just all kinds of awesome. It makes

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you feel like you're ten feet tall when you're walking

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around listening to it on your headphones. It's gotten plenty

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of play, it's gotten plenty of radio play because of that.

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to release this one as a single.

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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting too when they toured with Lincoln

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Park that Chester Bennington would come on stage and singing

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this with them, and then later he became the lead

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singer Tip of Pilots. Yeah, another tragic story to tell

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a little bit later on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a perfect opening track. It just grabs you

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Speaker 1: So that brings us to song number two, which was

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Speaker 2: Another banger man right out of the gate. This one

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grabs me. I like this one, bladed. I am fully

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invested at song number two.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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Speaker 2: If you're if you're working after this at the gym,

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this one will keep you going. Yeah. It flows so

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well from dead and bloaded into sex Type Thing. You

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just it doesn't miss a beat, kicks you right.

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Speaker 1: In the growing, right.

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Speaker 2: Right after the first kicker into the growing.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I really like about this song coming It's about rape.

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Speaker 3: Well that is well date rape.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can remember listen to this and I'm like,

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this really seems like a like a date raper guy.

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But I still love it. But it just surely it's

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not what it's about, right, So it is actually about rape.

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to sort of cast that light and say this is

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terrible behavior, this should not happen. Ever, I mean, Scott

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was very protective of women. Eric Kretz would say, anytime

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they went to a bar, good chance Scott's getting in

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a fight with somebody because of the way they treated women.

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Speaker 1: But he decided to put himself in that guy's perspective, right,

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you know, sit from that guy's point of view. And

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that that you've it's not the point of view of

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the particular singer. It's I'm going to play a part

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here and write the words to come into my head.

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since this was the very first single off of a

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debut album, that didn't really get that.

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Speaker 2: About the band Whenever the song first came out. This

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reached number twenty three on the US Hot Tracks, Like

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You Says their first single. You know who directed this video?

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Josh Taft.

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Speaker 1: Josh Taft from Pearl Jam, Josh Taft from Alison Chains.

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Speaker 2: It's a rock concert, Josh. Yes, go back and look

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at any I mean he directed Alice of Chains. Would

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he directed Stone Table, Pilot's Plush, Pearl Jam, Alive Oceans

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even Flow? This guy was a big grunge director at

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the time. Gets called out by Eddie Vedder on the

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Alive video.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is one of those that I think unfairly

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true comparisons between Scott and Eddie and saying that he

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was just kind of copying Eddie and using that yarl

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that Eddie Vedder.

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Speaker 3: Was famous for.

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Speaker 4: And you know, if you listen to any stumped up

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clilet s or Velvet Revolver or even Scott Wiland's, you know,

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solo stuff, he can sing in so many different keys

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and registers. That's just one of many things that he

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can do. But most of their songs, you know, he

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does not go back to that as much as people

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accused him of doing. He was far more of a

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dynamic singer than Eddie Vedder ever thought about being in

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my opinion, now, yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Was a different stop.

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Speaker 1: He had more of a Mick Jagger dance around kind

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of style, whereas Eddie Vedder was rowling or climbing the

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rafters the video on this one, they're in a dungeon.

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I mean to go along with that kind of weird

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rapist mentality. It's these girls in the dungeon and Scott

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has bleached blonde hair in this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I can remember seeing this and then seeing

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the video for Plush and I'm like, it's the same dude. Yeah,

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I think it's interesting. He actually wears like a dress

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and like white gloves and lipstick sometimes when he performs

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this song, so that people don't think he's endorsing rape.

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One more thing, This traditionally has been a good closer,

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like a good concert closer for stunt up of balance.

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Speaker 1: Well, we cannot leave the song without mentioning our long

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friend and guy that if he comes up, we just

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can't avoid it, mister weird. Al Yankovic covered part of

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this song. It's is the alternative Poka of the Bad

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Hair Day album out.

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Speaker 2: Can we listen to that?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Here please. I am, I Am, I Am, I said,

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I want to guess next day. Yeah, I'm yeah.

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Speaker 3: You what, mommy?

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Speaker 2: That is fantastic. I love it. What are we gonna

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cover Weird Owl? Well, he's gonna have that movie coming out.

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We should do an episode on the new Weird Owl movie.

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Absolutely should do an episode on the Weird Out. All right.

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Speaker 4: He's actually coming to street Port very soon. I just

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got an email on that. He's on tour right now.

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Speaker 2: Mark it down, man. This is another one of those songs.

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He and I had this conversation last. They do a

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bad job of naming their songs in my opinion, because

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nowhere in the song does it say sex type thing,

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and so pop'll get confused about which song is this,

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you know, because the chorus doesn't really go with the title.

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And this is the I Am, I Am, I Am

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song exactly all right. Next song is called Wicked Garden.

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Okay for me, this is the third song in a

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row that has gotten better than the one before. Wow,

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we're ramping up.

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Speaker 1: The music here is written by the Delio Brothers and

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it's kicks by right out of the gate again, and

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you've got a little different style of the vocals with Scott,

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who wrote the lyrics of this song I want.

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Speaker 7: To run Gods, and.

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Speaker 2: He's I think he's really bringing it in with this.

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What's this song about?

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Speaker 1: This song is about people allowing their innocence and purity

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to be lost from their lives.

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Speaker 2: No, that's wrong, and that is a quote from mister

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scotwak No. He's like, Okay, what's it about?

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Speaker 7: This song?

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Speaker 2: Is about sex?

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Speaker 3: About heroin?

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Speaker 2: Well, that might be a way that you lose your

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innocence of your purity. Listen, this song is I want

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to run through your wick your garden. This is I

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want to bang your brains out. What you can't say

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that radio? This is bang brains out?

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Speaker 8: Brad.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about this one?

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Speaker 4: What I've heard is it's about heroin and it's about

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describing the temptations that come along with the stardom and

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you kind of lose your innocence and you run through

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that wicked garden and there's no turning back at that point.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying sex. Whatever loss of innocence you might have

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about this song. It was one of the songs that

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they had on.

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Speaker 2: Their Mighty Show Young Demo in nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Ninety They performed this one on MTV Unplugged the nineteen

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ninety three which was another fantastic unplugged set. Man, if

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you don't remember, if he's sit in that big old

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rock and chair, what a rate unplugged show that one was.

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Speaker 2: And then they also did it in ninety three on

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the Data Let on the show I love this song.

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Speaker 3: I think it used to be on a car commercial

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Speaker 1: Jason, despite the fact that you think that this song

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is better than the previous two songs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it also was not released as a single.

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Speaker 1: It was a radio promo and it hit the charts

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because of that, but it is it has.

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Speaker 2: Never been released as a single. Once again, whoever's in

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charge of choosing singles should be fine.

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Speaker 1: When these guys got together to make this album, they

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wanted to do what their rock heroes had done back

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at the seventh They wanted to do what is that

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one they had done. They wanted to do what the

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Beatles had done, which was making out album that is.

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Speaker 2: Good from beginning to end, not an album that's.

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Speaker 1: Gotten two or three you know singles, chart poppers and

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the rest is filler. They want something that the start

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to the finish you were going to want.

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Speaker 2: To listen to or sing a song. Well, so far

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they're nailing it. They are.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you on this one, Jason. I think it's

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kind of the first three. It's the best of the

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first three songs on the album.

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Speaker 2: So this one reached number eleven on the US Mainstream

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Rock Tracks even though it wasn't released as a single.

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Freaking Love the song moving on to a song called

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No Memory.

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Speaker 1: So right after three kick button songs, we get a

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song that gets faded in like it's almost as if

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he's been playing for.

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Speaker 2: A while and we kind of walk into the room.

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Speaker 1: With him and it's a very mysterious, kind of almost

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ominous guitar sound going on.

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Speaker 2: Do you know the story behind this one, bron.

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Speaker 4: Well, I know that the pretty So this album was

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printing O'Brien and he had come back to them said, look,

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this album's come together, but we need something else, and

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so they kind of just threw.

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Speaker 3: It together and when they were playing it, they're like, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what, this would be a great segue into the

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song sin, and so they kind of put it in

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there and it just kind of, you know, just streams

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in there perfectly, and it was a great idea, but

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it was the song they just kind of came up

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with at the last minute.

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Speaker 3: They nailed it. It was perfect segue into that song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think when I listened to this, I totally just

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thought it was the introduction to Sin.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think it was a separate song. This was

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written when Dean and Scott were living together and he

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used to play it for Scott to kind of get

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him in that somber mood ready to do something cool vocally.

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Speaker 1: It's a really short song, it super short, only a

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minute and twenty seconds long, but it takes us.

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Speaker 2: Right into Sin. This is another great one, man, I'm

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on board. Yeah. The guitar sound that they have is

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the same.

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Speaker 1: You could tell that this is an album where they're

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not They're not doing a variety of different musical sounds,

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but the style is distinct. Each song is different. And

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this one again, you give us this nice little kind

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of quiet wellis into calm and then jump right back

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in with a thumb and kicker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So Robert de Leo was a big Rush fan, and

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more particularly was a big fan of Palaces Lives, and

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so that segue from No Memory back into Sin was

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very Russia inspired. According to him, they go back and

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Dean talks about too that it was a very simple chord,

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and then he hadn't really ever played it, but it

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sounded so good and it was so easy that he

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brought it back in again, you know, later on on

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Tiny Music and meat Plow on Pasoline, and I said,

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it just so easy and it worked in so many

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places that he used it again and again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got a story for you on this one.

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You read this on Sin. The day, like the day

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after they wrote this, they had a concert where Atlantic

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A and R man Tom Carrollman came to see them

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play a small club in LA and they were a

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little bit bummed out because there's only like twenty or

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thirty people in the entire club and when the air

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and our man is coming down to see, you want

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the place to be packed and hopping and all that stuff.

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And so they opened with this song Sin. They didn't

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have any of the lyrics and so that it's kind

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of an instrumental beginning to that concert got it kicked

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off with a bang, and the NR guy Tom really

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really thought it was great. I have no idea what

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the sign, but I mean, I'm looking at the lyric.

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I'm reading the lyrics and I've read them multiple times,

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and I still don't know what the song is. It

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is the word sin in there anywhere?

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Speaker 1: Yah?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Is it? Kay? Down you go suffer long down,

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you go Sin make me strong. Hey, here's something I

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do know about Scott Whitler. He was raised Catholic. Of course,

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you're taught about sin very much when you go to

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Catholic church, or any church for that matter. I also

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know he's a huge Notre Dame football fan, right as

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Moot's young Catholic boys tend to be. He went as

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far in two thousand and seven to write a handwritten

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letter to Charlie Weiss, who was the head coach at

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the time, encouraging him not to leave Notre Dame, which

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I thought was funny for a rock star to be

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a huge.

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Speaker 4: Football My brother in law was actually on that coaching staff. Really,

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he was assistant strength coach.

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Speaker 2: There's at least an odds on chance that Scott Wiland

477
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,119
had heard your brother in law's name.

478
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably not.

479
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,279
Speaker 4: We did get to go up there once for a

480
00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:21,119
game that was that was a pretty cool experience.

481
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 2: Cool. Moving on to the next song, on the album.

482
00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:40,759
This song is a song called Naked Sunday. Okay, So

483
00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:41,200
you don't.

484
00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: Have a megaphone here, but you definitely have an interesting

485
00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:47,680
double masking voice thing going on here where it's him singing,

486
00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:52,960
but there's like this basified or lower pitch, almost Rowley

487
00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:57,400
kind of voice, also saying alyrics that he's singing almost

488
00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:00,119
like a demon, if you will, basified.

489
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,319
Speaker 2: That's the word, okay, Yeah, a basis demon. I like it.

490
00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:11,240
It's demon cool. Okay. So Naked Sunday again lousy titled

491
00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:13,759
because the words never appear anywhere in the song.

492
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it's the meaning is pretty clear.

493
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:20,079
I mean, this is about this is about religious hypocrisy

494
00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:23,680
and the church trying to put people in a corner and.

495
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: Telling them how to live. His feelings and thoughts about

496
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,319
that not being the right thing.

497
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: Okay, And he even does his little preacher bit in

498
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,400
the middle, an eye for an eye too for a

499
00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:36,200
tooth turn the other cheek as eye. As good of

500
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,359
a Catholic boy as he might have been, it was

501
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,559
not too much into the church at that point.

502
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,559
Speaker 2: I did hear that this song came very late in

503
00:23:43,559 --> 00:23:46,599
the recording process. There's two chords involved, and when they

504
00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:48,960
played it, everybody jumped in and it became a real

505
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:52,160
team effort. Aircrets talks about how he has really fond

506
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,519
memories of making this, you know, making this song. This

507
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,160
was also the song that they played when they played

508
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,720
it in the nineties. This would create the mosh pit

509
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:02,000
you and I have talked before. I'm not a mush

510
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,960
pit guy. Yeah you are. Oh I totally did it.

511
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: Oh I'm not either. Yeah, you stand back and watch.

512
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,039
Speaker 2: I like listening. I like rocking out. I don't like

513
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:15,160
get punched and pushed and shoved. We don't really punch

514
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,200
each other. I mean, I'm talking like I did this yesterday.

515
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,720
I haven't done this since I was a teenager. But no,

516
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,319
it's just.

517
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: It's a pushing and a shoving. But it's all like

518
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,400
in fun. Ohokays having fun are a wrestling match?

519
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,279
Speaker 2: Sounds good? Sounds good. Also on this one, when they

520
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:31,599
cut the demo, like they came in at midnight to

521
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,319
start the recording process, and like you said, this took

522
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,240
three weeks. Right, so you're doing a couple of night

523
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,079
you know, you're working a lot, and so at five

524
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,839
o'clock in the morning, everybody's kind of a little sleepy

525
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,960
and tired and not on their game. But they said

526
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,359
when the vocals hit it, it energized everybody and all

527
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,279
of a sudden, it's like sleep I'm not tired. And

528
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,920
they were all kind of pumping and jumping at that.

529
00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:58,319
All right, So hit stop on your tape player, kick

530
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,640
it out, flip it over, dude, it is.

531
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,599
Speaker 3: I still had a tape player in my car.

532
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: Telling me that in Hastings, you got the tape, you.

533
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:11,319
Speaker 3: Didn't get the CD.

534
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: No, I got the CD. I took it home and

535
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,039
I dubbed it onto a blank and kept that car.

536
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,839
Now that I think about it, I think my best

537
00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:19,720
friend bought dirt. We used to not ever buy the

538
00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:21,799
same CDs, and we would take them to my house

539
00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:23,680
and copy on and so that way we all had

540
00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:25,960
always had a copy of everything the other one had.

541
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember those days. Yeah, Okay, I'm sorry.

542
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,319
Let's pretend we have the tape. Go ahead, all right,

543
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,039
So back in ninety two when a lot of people

544
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,079
still had tapes, Hit stuff on your tape player, kick

545
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,759
it out, flip it over for side too, and we

546
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:51,359
start off with a song Creepest.

547
00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 9: Day mixed me walk Stay what the sweet mix me wal?

548
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: I love the way that starts off. You got the

549
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,319
acoustic guitar. It's crisp, it's beautiful, it's you don't have

550
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:12,480
an over chorus part to it. It's just it's like

551
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:15,279
the guys there with you playing the guitar, and then

552
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:20,079
he comes in with that drums intro and it's just.

553
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: It's a sweet, sad, beautiful beginning.

554
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,039
Speaker 3: I love it.

555
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,039
Speaker 2: I heard him talk about this song. They say it's

556
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:26,720
not rock.

557
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 9: Sick, sad, loaded hand gossip lots. Here say sad, loaded

558
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:40,720
hand gossip lot.

559
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 2: It's not country.

560
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: It's right down in the middle.

561
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,759
Speaker 2: He said that they were influenced by like seventies music

562
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:51,000
that included of course Led Zeppelin, but also Peter Frampton,

563
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,799
Jim Crochey, John Denver Fleetwood Mad. Yeah. So this is

564
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,240
a sort of a country rock feeling.

565
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,839
Speaker 4: This is one of those songs that kind of goes

566
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:03,000
back how ersonal they were and how vertual Scott's voice

567
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,200
was as well. I mean they could throw out the hard,

568
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,400
you know, heavy songs when they come back to this

569
00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:09,799
and make it look like this was their wheelhouse and

570
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:11,559
this is what they were really really good at the

571
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:12,920
trick was they were good at all of it.

572
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,039
Speaker 3: And I mean it was totally different than anything but

573
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:15,839
on the album so far.

574
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:22,839
Speaker 4: But it's one of the greatest songs that they ever did.

575
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,599
Speaker 2: I was telling indeed that back in the days of

576
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,599
LimeWire and Napstra and stuff like that, that this was

577
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,000
popularly referred to on those platforms as half the Man

578
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,839
I used to be by Nirvana. Oh that's funny. Okay,

579
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,160
Now I'm gonna throw this out there. This song, I

580
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,319
gotta say the ultar boy in him is coming out.

581
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,319
I think this might be there's some Jesus lyrics here. Okay,

582
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,119
So take time with a wounded hand because it likes

583
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,359
to heal you with me.

584
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:13,839
Speaker 1: I can see how you could draw a religious outigory there.

585
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,599
I'm not sure that that's how it meant it, but

586
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:20,160
what it could be. So he did an interview with

587
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,480
song Facts just the year before he died, and he said,

588
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,680
that's just the idea of being a young person somewhere

589
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,759
caught between still being a kid and becoming a young man.

590
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,240
It's that youth apathy, that second guessing yourself, not feeling

591
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:34,839
like you fit in.

592
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if Jesus is in this song or

593
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,160
not wounded hand, I don't know. Well, it likes to

594
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,680
feel okay, all right, Hey. I do think it's interesting though,

595
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,680
that they actually removed the bridge from this song. Yeah,

596
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,680
I would like to hear the original version, uh huh.

597
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,079
But it made it flow better according to the.

598
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:55,079
Speaker 1: Release in ninety three as a promotional single that had

599
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:56,279
different vocal takes.

600
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:58,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if they had a different bridge or not.

601
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,079
Speaker 1: Well, let me just say this, there's a part right

602
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:03,200
in the middle where it basically goes back to the

603
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:08,440
intro guitar bit and it's my favorite bassline on this

604
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,039
whole CD or tapeer album.

605
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,519
Speaker 2: Then done. I just I love the way that he

606
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:17,079
walks it down, like here we go again.

607
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,319
Speaker 1: We're going to start write back over and I think

608
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,160
that has to be where that bridge would have been.

609
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:23,599
Speaker 2: But I love that they just walked it right back

610
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,880
to the beginning.

611
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,559
Speaker 3: Brad Thus, Yeah, this one was actually written in the

612
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,680
back of the state up a car, Robert's car when

613
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,720
they worked across the street from each other, just sat

614
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,759
there behind the guitar shop, hung out and read the song.

615
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: We talked about that in our last episode. I think

616
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,160
that's awesome. I would love to go to parking spot,

617
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:42,079
Row three, section seven and find that spot and say, man,

618
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,359
this song was written right here. That's cool. I do

619
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,359
think it's funny. They ate a cheesecake factory before they

620
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,839
recorded this song, and when they came back, I guess

621
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,880
Scott had laid out all these candles and had the

622
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,759
kind of set the mood and once again they sat

623
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,480
in a circle, tracked it live, got it on the bank.

624
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,279
Speaker 1: So video for this song, so you guys k know

625
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:14,119
who gust Fan Zan is no directed Goodwill Hunting WHOA

626
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,359
directed mel I mean, he's a pretty prominent guy. He

627
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,440
directed a version of this video, but apparently it got

628
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:25,480
shelf because it had too much drug and sexual references.

629
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,119
Interesting did a second video. The director was Graham Joyce.

630
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:32,279
I don't know anything that they've done, but I'd be

631
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:34,200
interested to see to see that guest.

632
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,839
Speaker 2: Fan zan version of this video. Speaking of, do you

633
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,799
remember the last video that we discussed that was banned

634
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:41,480
from MTV?

635
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: We did one when we did our Frankie Ghost to

636
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,400
Hollywood Relax one Hit Wonder.

637
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,319
Speaker 2: Episode, but that was just for the Patreon. That was

638
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:51,640
just for the Patrion. Something I don't Know You're all

639
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,319
I Need by Motley Crue, the song written in response

640
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:58,680
to Jack Wagner soap opera star Jack Wagner right and

641
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:05,160
apparently look like for a young quarter. Okay, what do

642
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,359
you think we've done with this one?

643
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: So Robert, you said, they wrote in the back of

644
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,839
the car, he said, about this song, he said, musically speaking,

645
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,519
I was thinking about a song along the lines of

646
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:16,759
Part of Gold by Neil Young, which is in the

647
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:20,079
key of D minor, the saddest key of all. Scott

648
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,319
was thinking about the lyrics, and at that time in

649
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:25,119
our lives, we were struggling very much. What Scott was

650
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,720
writing about was a real life situation, also about me.

651
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,880
The thing about the gun creep is a very demeaning word,

652
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,119
and it was one of those instances where we looked

653
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:36,039
at ourselves and looked in the mirror.

654
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: All right. Moving on to the next song on the

655
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:50,480
album called Piece of Pie.

656
00:31:52,559 --> 00:32:02,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we are on the second song signed too.

657
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:06,759
And we have had slow songs, we've had fast songs.

658
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,359
We've had songs that I know what they're about. We've

659
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,079
had songs that I don't know what they're about. But

660
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:14,079
we have not yet had a skipper. This is a

661
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,000
good song after a good song, after great song after

662
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:17,680
great song.

663
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: It's amazing. There's been no bad song yet. None of

664
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,640
these would have skipped so far, including this one, including

665
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,160
this one. It's kicking my butt, Okay, I love it.

666
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: I talked to James earlier and I told them the

667
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,559
same thing I told you. I don't know which way

668
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:32,480
I'm going to vote on this one because I listened

669
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:32,640
to this.

670
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:33,839
Speaker 3: Entire album on the way to work.

671
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,799
Speaker 4: I listened to Derk just the other day, and there's

672
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:38,519
no songs on either one of these albums that I

673
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:39,079
ever skipped.

674
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:40,519
Speaker 2: I'm in that same vote, I really am.

675
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I understand.

676
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,119
Speaker 2: I don't know. I this is not a skipper, but

677
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,599
this is not. It's not a ten. You don't like this,

678
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:02,920
It's okay. You're trying to be nice, but you don't

679
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,599
like this song. It's okay, just say it. It's okay. No.

680
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,079
I like what he does bocally. I mean he's really

681
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,400
getting after like he's really leaning on those vocals, and

682
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,119
it blows me away. But it's not the best song

683
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:16,000
on the album. We're about to talk about the best

684
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,519
song on the album, but this ain't it. So you

685
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:19,839
mentioned Piece of Pie in our last episode, was tell

686
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,400
me about that? Yeah, So we were talking about the

687
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,640
early version of Stone Tumble Pilots where Scott Wiland had

688
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,000
a few childhood friends in the band who weren't just

689
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:30,759
quite up to stuff, and so they called Dean to

690
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:32,519
come in and kind of help him out on this

691
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:35,519
particular song. The guy that they had in place couldn't

692
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,480
do the solo very well. They brought in Dean. Christine

693
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:40,319
kills it and they all kind of look at each

694
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,160
other and they realize Dean's gonna come, and this guy's

695
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,359
got to go. And he saw the ride down the

696
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,319
wall and it has since forgiven him, and you know,

697
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:50,839
felt bad. That would be hard to have been in

698
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,880
Stone Tumble Pilots. And then all of a sudden you

699
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,160
realize I'm not very good.

700
00:33:54,319 --> 00:34:09,519
Speaker 10: Well, we should listen to that solo.

701
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: Like you said, he was just a he was a

702
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:18,920
rhythm guitar player and he didn't really have solos in it.

703
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: Like you said, they touched things up, so.

704
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: It only cost you millions of dollars, will be better.

705
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,199
I'm sure working in a safeway is just as good.

706
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: There's anything wrong with that.

707
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: By the way. This song Piece of Pie was cobbled

708
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,639
together some of the earlier pieces of a song called

709
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:40,119
Only Dying, which you can find on the thirtieth anniversary

710
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,280
of course. Awesome, all right, twenty fifth anniversary on the

711
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,039
twenty fifth anniversary, of course, because we haven't hit the

712
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:49,440
thirtieth anniversary exactly twenty ninth of this month. Thank you

713
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,440
for your correction, all right, So can we move on

714
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,760
to the best song on the album? I don't think

715
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,199
we're ready to go yet. I think we should listen

716
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:57,960
to Piece of a little bit more. Now, let's move

717
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,559
on to the best on the album. So they've done

718
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:03,039
a very nice thing for you, Jason.

719
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: They've taken the song that you don't really care that

720
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,159
much about it and they put it right between an

721
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,039
awesome song at the beginning and.

722
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: What's the name of this song that's coming up again?

723
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:43,440
I can't remember. This song is called plush.

724
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: This song is the song that everybody was like, oh,

725
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,159
this is that Pearl Jams.

726
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 2: Sounds band, and I can totally hear it.

727
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: It's got that same kind of feel, but man, it

728
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,320
kicks my boot. Every time we covered this in my band.

729
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,639
Speaker 2: I loved it. I still love it. It is great hey,

730
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,199
summer of ninety three. It may be the top down,

731
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,519
turn it up song of that summer.

732
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 9: Where you go on.

733
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:26,159
Speaker 1: So for the guys out there who heard this and thought, oh,

734
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:28,639
this is just a copy of the pearl jam style

735
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,599
or whatever, this is the one song that Eric Kretz

736
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,159
gets a lyrics credit on. Scott Wiland had done the

737
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,320
lyrics pretty much all of them. We mentioned in Creep

738
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,039
that Wyland and Robert get the lyrics on.

739
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: That one, but this song.

740
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:45,639
Speaker 1: They wrote the lyrics to this song while they were

741
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:50,519
both naked in a hot time, back when they were

742
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:54,280
still Mighty Joe Young, before they had signed with Atlantic Records,

743
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,679
and before I might add, pearl Jam was a thing.

744
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: They wrote the song Naked in the hotel about a

745
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:05,760
girl and smelling the dogs and where will find What

746
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,599
the heck is this song about? Don't you? These songs

747
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,440
are very abstract. So I did hear a story that

748
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,639
this is loosely based on a story that they had

749
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,440
heard about or a girl was kidnapped, killed and they

750
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,000
actually had to get the dogs to find her. I

751
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,239
guess the dogs began to smell her. I wrote a

752
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:29,840
song about it, like to hear it here, it goes.

753
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 9: Where you go?

754
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 7: Where where mask I'm around?

755
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 9: When the dogs the games A smell.

756
00:37:51,440 --> 00:38:01,079
Speaker 4: Where I do know that they said in somewhere that

757
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,320
I read. I can't find it right now. But Scott

758
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,880
liked to use words that had a feel to them.

759
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,679
Also had came up the name velvet revolver. Plush was

760
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,320
not sing something that it sounded good. It sounded like

761
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,440
you could feel the word.

762
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: If they were naked in the hot tub, you probably

763
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,159
saw eric.

764
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:25,079
Speaker 3: Well played.

765
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,199
Speaker 2: So we got to talk about how you know. Because

766
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,440
of the success of sex type thing, they were invited

767
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,639
to come on head Banger's Ball on December fifth, nineteen

768
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,639
ninety two. They played an acoustic version of Plush.

769
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 11: This is a song called Plush Enough.

770
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 7: Times is good, so.

771
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: Good, and it is awesome. In fact, they wanted to

772
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:12,559
the record company wanted to release it as a single.

773
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,599
They actually kind of bristled at that, and they didn't

774
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,360
want this to become the Plush album. But the song

775
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,119
was freaking good. I it was on radio all the time,

776
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,119
all the time.

777
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,199
Speaker 1: This is my girlfriend at the time says. They dropped

778
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,480
it about two notes whenever they played it live.

779
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:31,599
Speaker 4: Record company actually wanted this to be their first sync

780
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:34,360
Bad somehow negotiated full control of the creative process.

781
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,199
Speaker 3: Said well, we're not.

782
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:35,679
Speaker 4: Going to do that.

783
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: We're gonna stick it all the way back here.

784
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 4: At nine, so it doesn't define us as that song.

785
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,280
They knew it was going to be good. They didn't

786
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,440
know it's gonna be that good, but they knew it

787
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,079
was gonna be good. But they didn't want it to

788
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,960
overshadow everything else they had already done.

789
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: It turned out to be a brilliant move.

790
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: Okay, well, yes, it turned out to be a brilliant move.

791
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,199
But for me, if I'm a record executive, I'm like, guys,

792
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:55,840
this is the best song on the album. Let's come

793
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,599
strong right out of the gate. So I'm spiking my football.

794
00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:05,000
This is the it's the pinnacle song of the album.

795
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:08,199
Speaker 7: Where fun.

796
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:24,599
Speaker 2: You like Radio Framelin Well, I do like Radio Freme,

797
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,519
and they don't have a power ballad for me on

798
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:27,639
so I got to hang my head.

799
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: On this one right well, and this one in nineteen

800
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,239
ninety four for Best hard Rock Song.

801
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: So good man, it belongs on the Headbangers ball Man.

802
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,559
I guess, I guess.

803
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: By the way I saw something that said that this

804
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:41,079
was like the fourth most played.

805
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: Song of the nineties. I believe it. Yeah, I believe it, like.

806
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty three thousand spins in twenty nineteen.

807
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: This is the song. So I've got a handful. I've

808
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,119
got like a Kathy playlist, right. My wife's name is Kathy.

809
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,800
Anytime I want fun Kathy to come out, I play

810
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,280
Motown Philly by Voice to Men, I play This Is

811
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,400
How We Do It by montal Jordan, and I've played

812
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,280
Plush by Stone Temple Pilots. One of these things is

813
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,480
not like the other, I know, but still this is

814
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,119
this makes fun Kathy come out. That's great, all right?

815
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,559
Are we done with this one? I hate to be

816
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,440
done with this one, all right, So that's gonna do

817
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,199
it for Plush. Let's move on to the next song.

818
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,519
If we can call it that. This is a song

819
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,639
I don't. This is song is called wet my Bed.

820
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 12: Hey, everybody, where did Mary go? Where did Mary go?

821
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,679
And where's my only cigarette? Please think for me. I

822
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:59,719
can't bear to I'll just lie here for a while

823
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:11,719
within myself, wit my bit. If that's enough food.

824
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,119
Speaker 2: You just don't understand the marriage of the song. You've

825
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:18,639
got some interesting chords that don't quite along. The rhythm

826
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:20,760
section is almost like the ticking of a clock.

827
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: But just think back to the Beatnick poets of the

828
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,000
fifties and you get an idea of what this song

829
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,880
is supposed to be. It is this kind of poet

830
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:34,400
on stage giving you a mental image, and you totally

831
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,239
have the image of.

832
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,079
Speaker 2: What he's got going on. This is not I don't

833
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:44,360
skip this one either. Whatever. Whatever beat Nick poets from

834
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,840
the fifties, I skipped them too.

835
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:48,639
Speaker 4: Brad Again, Now let's say if it was longer, I

836
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:50,800
would probably skip this one, but it's not very long,

837
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,880
so I just let it lee right into the next one.

838
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: I understand they're going for this Beatles type of thing

839
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:59,360
on this one. This is dumb. Just cut this. I

840
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:03,880
like this. This is worthless. This is the album more personality. Okay,

841
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,480
we my Bed is the name of it. Once again,

842
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:10,039
Where did Mary go? I don't know? Where's my cigarette?

843
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:14,760
I don't know? Sometimes we done with this one, Web

844
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,800
my Bed. Let's listen to the rest. Okay, moving on

845
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:23,760
to actually a good song called cracker Man. A second

846
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:25,719
before we move on to cracker Man.

847
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: Yes, this is like iron Land on the Allison eggs

848
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,360
exactly right.

849
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 2: They each have one of.

850
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,519
Speaker 1: These kind of weird what is going on here kind

851
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,280
of songs, and it's not like they're the same song

852
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,639
or the same type of song even, it's just that

853
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,159
weird little hey, we're going to give you guys something

854
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:45,440
that you were not expecting, and they nailed it. We

855
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,519
were not expecting either one of those songs in.

856
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: The middle of this album. That's most fine so far.

857
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,320
Iron I mean, I don't know, man, that's a matchup

858
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,000
for the ages Iron Gland versus web My Pet Skippers. Okay,

859
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:03,199
now let's move on to the song called crack Man SnO.

860
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,119
Speaker 1: Okay, So they jumped back in with this one, and

861
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:36,760
it's almost like they're saying, just kidding, just kidding, that

862
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,480
was just being silly, and it was that song what

863
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:40,800
my bad was.

864
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:51,599
Speaker 7: Roll roll Man? Alright, I'm made im mad.

865
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: Just them goofing around like it's the first song that

866
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,840
they recorded for this album, the very first song. And

867
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,239
that's why when Brendan O'Brien comes in and says, all right,

868
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,800
what now that he's really like, okay, guys, let's stop

869
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,519
screwing around.

870
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: Let's go actually record a real song.

871
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: And so I think it's a very nice intro to

872
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,480
cracker Man, which kick brings it right back into kicking

873
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:20,239
the awesome crowds.

874
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Crackerman's awesome, awesome, It's it's one of those songs

875
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,679
like the first three on the album. It's it's a rocker.

876
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,199
You're you're captured by it thought.

877
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:31,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of my favorite songs on the album

878
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:32,440
and always has been.

879
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 4: I never knew what it was about until I read

880
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,880
up on it before we did this, And apparently there

881
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,079
was Scott and Eric shared an apartment downtown, and there

882
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:41,920
was a guy that kind of homeless and lived.

883
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 3: Under the stairwell, and he called himself Crackerman.

884
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 4: Scott would go out and get his coffee and he'd

885
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,039
always bring him coffee and you know, a little something

886
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:49,559
to eat, and he would spend time with him and

887
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:50,119
talk to him.

888
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: And that's where they got the name. I don't know

889
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,920
if that's truly what the song's about, but that's where

890
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:54,639
the name came from.

891
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,519
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. That's exactly I mean, that's almost identical to

892
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,880
the even close story from ten Ed. You better talked

893
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,920
about the homeless man than he fretted. And yeah, the

894
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:23,679
same type of story altogether.

895
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,039
Speaker 4: I recently read Greg Prito's book on his biography on

896
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,760
Scott Wiland, and that was kind of a reoccurring theme

897
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,440
that a lot of his friends.

898
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,079
Speaker 3: And those that were closest to him and would bring up,

899
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:34,000
was that he was a very.

900
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 4: Compassionate guy, you know, and this was not out of

901
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,199
the ordinary for him just to strike up a conversation

902
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,519
with somebody he didn't know, or somebody that nobody else

903
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:41,320
would probably talk to.

904
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:42,639
Speaker 3: It was just a pretty nice guy.

905
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,559
Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting in this song, You've got

906
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:46,840
the line I'm thinking about a boy. His name was Sue.

907
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:47,920
It's got to be John.

908
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:50,039
Speaker 3: Yeah. Cool.

909
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:52,559
Speaker 2: I love this one. Mark me down. I'm excited about

910
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,519
this one. Okay, moving on to the last song on

911
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,159
the album. This song is called Where the River Goes.

912
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:18,920
I love the intro to this.

913
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: Song because, as I mentioned a few times, my favorite

914
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,360
led Zeppelin song is when the Levy Breaks, and this

915
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:30,800
is Eric doing his take on that incredible drum intro,

916
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,039
and I love what he does with it.

917
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,599
Speaker 2: I love how when Dean comes in with that wah

918
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:40,119
wah guitar, it just screams. It gives us something completely

919
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:43,800
different than led Zeppelin, but the drums man way to Go,

920
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,199
I love it finished strong, What do you guys Name?

921
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting that this was one of

922
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,159
the first songs I ever demoed as m Young and

923
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,920
they said, you hear that demo, it's n what's on

924
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:53,559
the record today?

925
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: Though, that was interesting grabbed me as much as the others.

926
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:57,960
But it's good.

927
00:47:58,079 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: I like it.

928
00:47:58,639 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 5: It's good.

929
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,079
Speaker 2: It's not it's not wicked guard it's not a sex

930
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:05,320
type thing, but it's good. It's not as radio friendly exactly.

931
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 4: The mom.

932
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: I love already it.

933
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: Really I know you do? I Know you? And not

934
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,360
only does it come in strong with the drums and

935
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,159
the guitar, he does, but as he does in so

936
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,519
many of these songs, he comes in not with word

937
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:33,599
lyrics but just to yeah.

938
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,119
Speaker 2: I love that.

939
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: He's willing to just make some noise because, like you mentioned, Brad,

940
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,360
the words in these lyrics, he doesn't use them so

941
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:46,280
much for their meaning but for their sound, because words

942
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,119
have their own musicality about them, and even to the

943
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,360
to the point of naming things like plush, which the

944
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,840
word never gets said in the in the song at all.

945
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:59,440
It is more about how the words sound as a

946
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:00,559
song and kills.

947
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:00,639
Speaker 6: It on this.

948
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was the first song they wrote once Dean

949
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,559
joined there, So there you go. Okay, So that's going

950
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,880
to wrap up the track by track on Core, we

951
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:13,559
have to do just a little bit on the what

952
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,400
happens from here story?

953
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the aftermath. Now this when this album came out,

954
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,800
it blew up. It is their best selling album of

955
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:26,119
all time. Then they came along and they did Purple,

956
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,719
and they did.

957
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:32,559
Speaker 2: I Love Purple, by the way, let's just quickly on Purple,

958
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:39,000
big empty, amazing, vaciline, incredible, an interstate love song is

959
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:56,280
mind blowingly good. Agree, And they were on a trajectory

960
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:00,239
that was going through the roof. I gotta say, and and.

961
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,639
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you say that because for so many,

962
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,800
for so long, this was these guys were just the.

963
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: Copy of the grunge movement band.

964
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: Right, These guys weren't from Seattle, but they were doing

965
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,360
that Seattle thing with those other guys had already done

966
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:17,239
until Purple comes out. And I loved them already, I mean,

967
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,840
and so many other folks did that.

968
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,639
Speaker 2: When Purple came out, I was buying the day that

969
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,480
it came out. I was ready for it, and I

970
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:24,679
was ready for the next one too.

971
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: It's just they established themselves as not just a knockoff

972
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:31,639
band when they came out with Purple.

973
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: In the following album.

974
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: It's interesting that in ninety four, just to kind of

975
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,079
show you the difference, because there were so many, so

976
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,880
many folks saying that these guys.

977
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: Were just a cheap knockoff.

978
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:46,119
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety four Rolling Stone, same issue. The critics say

979
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:50,000
Core is the worst album of the year, the fans

980
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,079
that it is the best new album of the year.

981
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:55,559
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, strong feelings both ways.

982
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if I got to please the critics or

983
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,320
I got to please the fans, I'm going to want

984
00:50:59,320 --> 00:50:59,920
to please the fan.

985
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

986
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:01,159
Speaker 5: Sure.

987
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 2: You know what Scott Wiland attributed to the creativity that

988
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:13,599
he felt on Purple the Big Age, Heroin is what

989
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,320
opened his mind to the creativity that appeared on the

990
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,440
Purple album. The last stop in nineteen ninety three of

991
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,880
the Butthole Surfers tour, he tried Heroin in the back

992
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,400
room of a hotel in New York City and he

993
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:31,800
said he felt a golden glow.

994
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: It sounds very similar to the Laye's Daily Story with

995
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,119
gold a couple of hooks.

996
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 2: Again, graduated from smoking heroin to injecting it.

997
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 4: You know.

998
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,079
Speaker 2: In ninety four, Purple's out hit after hit after hit,

999
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,000
selling tons of albums. He is now addicted to heroin.

1000
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,920
In ninety five that come out with Dancing Days the

1001
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,239
led Zeppelin song That was Awesome. Also in ninety five,

1002
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,400
two days after getting out of rehab, he is arrested

1003
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:00,880
for possession of cocaine and heroin. Whie fails him out,

1004
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:02,639
but at a stop while he jumps out of the car,

1005
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,360
runs away, goes to where Courtney Love is and they

1006
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,440
spend the next several days shooting heroin together.

1007
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was dope sick. I mean, we talked about

1008
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,159
it when we talked about Nikky six, about how would

1009
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,559
you just go a little while without the heroin? You

1010
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,159
get physically ill, you get bad, physically ill. And so

1011
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,679
when his was his wife that bailed him out, I

1012
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,440
believe this is wife. When she was driving him away,

1013
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,320
he was so dope sick that when she refused to

1014
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,119
take him to get a hit, he decided, I'm going.

1015
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 2: To jump out of the car in order to find

1016
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,119
a cure.

1017
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:38,639
Speaker 3: For what ails me.

1018
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,159
Speaker 2: So the Stone Double Pilot scrapped the whole nineteen ninety

1019
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:46,119
six tour because he was completely addicted heroin. He had

1020
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,039
no ability to go out and tour and sing and perform.

1021
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,880
And then in nineteen ninety eight he's arrested in a

1022
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:56,880
New York City housing project and he spends five months

1023
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,400
in jail. This is one of the leads scene for

1024
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,400
one of the biggest bands in the nineties. He's smoking

1025
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,079
crack and injecting in a housing project. So in two

1026
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:11,480
thousand and two, Matt Soum Duff McKagan slash Dave Kushner

1027
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,960
have created a super band. They're looking for a singer,

1028
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,280
which I heard at the time they really wanted Billy Idam,

1029
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,039
which is interesting. But they hired Scott Wiland to sing

1030
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:23,719
for them and it became Velvet Revolver and it they

1031
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,519
put two great albums out. Yeah, absolutely fantastic.

1032
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:31,119
Speaker 1: I mean you, that'd be Another interesting comparison is to

1033
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,320
compare Matt Season to Velvet Revolver.

1034
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: The bands that the lead singers.

1035
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: Of the bands were preparing it they went to after

1036
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,679
they lost their place in the bands that they were in.

1037
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:43,599
Speaker 2: That's interesting.

1038
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: Both of them had some amazingly good songs, good music,

1039
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,320
but things were changing at this time. This was when

1040
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:55,960
people stopped buying albums and started downloading songs, which meant

1041
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,760
he wasn't getting money from album sales, and he wasn't

1042
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,800
getting money from record companies because they.

1043
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: Weren't getting money from album sales. And so this decision

1044
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:08,840
to join Velvet Revolver to him was more of a

1045
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,159
financial decision than an artistic decision.

1046
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: They said, he said, they sent him a bunch of

1047
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,800
songs and he said, this sounds like nothing I would sing.

1048
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,039
Speaker 2: So they're like, okay, well here's some others.

1049
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, well, I got I gotta have money,

1050
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,639
you know, I got to I got to be able

1051
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,840
to pay child support. I've got to be able to

1052
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:29,760
live the lifestyle that I've grown accustomed to. And so

1053
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:33,159
Velvet Revolver, as good as it was with something he

1054
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:35,719
did to the money wow, and then after doing it

1055
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,519
for eight years, kind of running under the same problem

1056
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:40,679
with the band members of you know, like, why aren't

1057
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,960
you doing better than you are?

1058
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,159
Speaker 2: He was like a STP Can I come back?

1059
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:46,559
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1060
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:48,559
Speaker 2: So I heard about this, right, this is an interesting

1061
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:52,280
story to me. So he starts showing up late to concerts,

1062
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,960
and Slash and Duff and Matt Soorm are like, oh,

1063
00:54:56,199 --> 00:55:00,679
you know, like PTSD. Right, So as soon as he

1064
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,440
starts showing up late, they their red flags go up.

1065
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,199
They can't take it anymore, and so they fire him

1066
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,239
in two thousand and eight. At that same time, he

1067
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,760
was wanting to kind of do STP and Velvet Revolver,

1068
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,719
and they were not good with that. But he just continually, continually,

1069
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,480
continually had drug problem. When he was interviewed by Esquire

1070
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:22,800
magazine in two thousand and eight, he actually explained why

1071
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,280
he still had drug problems.

1072
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:24,559
Speaker 8: Right.

1073
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,599
Speaker 2: I thought this was super insightful. They said, why haven't

1074
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:30,079
you been able to quit? And here's his quote, I

1075
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:32,440
never wanted to quit. If you have a heroin addict

1076
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:35,320
who doesn't want to quit and everybody in the world

1077
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,480
wants you to quit, it ain't gonna work.

1078
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,519
Speaker 3: It's not going to happen.

1079
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: I saw him just after the release of his book

1080
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:46,599
in twenty eleven interviewing with Howard Stern. He was late

1081
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:48,719
for that show too, by the way, But when he's

1082
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,760
talking he does not seem to be under the influence

1083
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:57,079
of anything. He's intelligent, he's parent, he's I think if anything,

1084
00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:00,400
he's struggling with the fact that Howard Stern keeps erupting

1085
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:03,679
him and keeps trying to take him down the dark paths.

1086
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,679
Speaker 2: Like basically encouraging him to you know, man, your life

1087
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,920
sucks you. You had to do these drugs, you had

1088
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,639
to do these things, and just I mean just awful,

1089
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:13,719
awful stuff.

1090
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: And then Gosh questions him in detail about the rape

1091
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:20,639
he had when he was a child. I mean, it's

1092
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,280
just it's horrible because he starts off, I mean, Scott

1093
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,320
Wiland seems upbeat and happy and by the end he's

1094
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,880
just staring at the floor.

1095
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 2: I am marking this.

1096
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm marking the spot. You can catch it on YouTube.

1097
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,239
Howard Stern interview with Scott Wiland. This is where Scott

1098
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,400
Wiland turned back to drugs and ultimately takes.

1099
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,039
Speaker 2: His inn life. Wow.

1100
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:42,599
Speaker 1: Okay, but you mentioned something and Howard Stern asked this

1101
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,280
question because they brought up Kurt Cobain and he was like,

1102
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,360
do you ever think about that?

1103
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:49,079
Speaker 2: He's like, heck, yeah, I thought about that, And I

1104
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,480
think that goes about what you're talking about of there's

1105
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,000
not a reason to quit, there's a reason not to quit. Yeah,

1106
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:57,559
He said that I don't really understand why people keep

1107
00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:59,559
trying to take this away from me. It's the only

1108
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:01,760
thing that keeps me from blowing my head off. And

1109
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,880
he's got a family, and he's got children. I just

1110
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,719
this just kills me. Listen to this. So in May

1111
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:11,519
of twenty fifteen, you can see this on YouTube as well,

1112
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,079
he's playing a concert with his new band called Scott

1113
00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:18,079
Wiland and the wild Abouts. They're playing at Columbus in Columbus, Ohio,

1114
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:52,679
and he has the most apathetic, uninspired, terrible concert. I

1115
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,199
mean watching him sing vaciline, it's awful.

1116
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: He's definitely under the influences. He can barely stand up,

1117
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:03,440
you could barely stand out be slurring his words.

1118
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: He's not singing the right words.

1119
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not good.

1120
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: When Matt Storm talks about it, when Scott Wiland started

1121
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,320
showing up late and started struggling, he said, when Axel

1122
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,559
would show up finally he would sound fantastic. Scott would

1123
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:17,639
show up late and he would suck. And that was

1124
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:19,320
one of the reasons too that they had to fire.

1125
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,599
But on December third, twenty fifteen, Scott Wiland and the

1126
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:26,679
wild Abouts go to Bloomington Minnesota. The show was actually

1127
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,400
canceled because they didn't sell enough tickets to have the concert.

1128
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:33,880
I sold less than one hundred tickets. Oh, so he

1129
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:35,920
goes back in the back of the bus, he goes

1130
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,440
to sleep. The guys get up the next day or whatever,

1131
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:40,280
and they're they're going to go check out them all

1132
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,679
of America. They're going to go scout out town or whatever.

1133
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,920
And they had sort of understood that if Scott's sleeping,

1134
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,880
you don't wake him up. And his wife called and

1135
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,199
said go wake him up. And when they went in there,

1136
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:55,519
of course, was that another tragic loss to Heroin. It

1137
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:59,719
would be interesting to decide. I think between Lane Staley's death,

1138
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,159
which was horrible and tragic, and compared to Scott Wyland's death,

1139
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,000
I think Scott Wyland is worse because there's children involved

1140
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:09,880
to take us further down into the deep, darker deaths.

1141
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,559
Speaker 1: When they decided to replace Scott in the band, they

1142
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,239
picked the lead singer of Lincoln Park, Chester Bennington.

1143
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: So Chester Bennington. He had a happy ending though, correct,

1144
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:23,559
no you setting me up here, Yes, I'm teeing you up.

1145
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:27,480
So he's on vacation with his wife and his family,

1146
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,239
just like you're talking about what is the saddest of

1147
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,559
these sad tales? He says, I'm going to go.

1148
00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: Back to the house and do some work. Nine am,

1149
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:40,880
July twenty, twenty seventeen. Next morning, house keeper comes at

1150
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,760
sees him hanging from sea. I wish for anybody else

1151
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,760
who's out there who might be feeling those feelings, that

1152
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:49,960
you don't have to be sad.

1153
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,519
Speaker 2: There are things to do that you can address.

1154
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: The issue with.

1155
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: Just talk to somebody as opposed to ending at all,

1156
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,480
because I think most of the time, if you ask

1157
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:01,079
the question would you rather be gone or would you

1158
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:03,599
rather just not be sad, the answer is you'd just

1159
01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:06,519
rather not be sad. Their medication, their therapies. There are

1160
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:10,760
other things that you can do to address the feelings

1161
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,559
that you have. Interestingly, Bennington died on what would have

1162
01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:19,320
been Chris Cornell's fifty third birthday, two months after he

1163
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:20,920
had also committed to so.

1164
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: On that note, let's do our final adjustment. Well, hey,

1165
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:27,000
I got a little bit of a happy note.

1166
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:30,079
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I seen you a song earlier today talking

1167
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:35,440
about the kids in the legacy. Noah Wiland is now twenty.

1168
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:38,079
I think he's about twenty years old. He has done

1169
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:41,800
some music with Slash's Kid. But if you go to

1170
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,079
Noah Wland on Spotify, he didn't have a lot of

1171
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,119
followers like seven hundred, but if you listen.

1172
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:49,199
Speaker 2: To his music you can hear Scott. I mean, it's

1173
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:52,079
some good music. It is some quality stuff. Go check

1174
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,519
out Noah Wiland on Spotify and catch just a glimpse

1175
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:57,039
of the legacy in the Scott left way.

1176
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 13: Okay, guys, we have now finished with Stone Temple Pilot's Core. Yep,

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01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:17,360
we have gone through Dirt by Alison Chains. We are

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now bringing back James Buckley, who went through that history

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and that album with us, to give his opinion on

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which is better Dirt or Core.

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Speaker 2: James here on man.

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Speaker 8: First off, let me set the stage. In the early

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nineties was a pretty heady time for a music lover.

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Every week it seemed like there was something new and

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fabulous coming out and I couldn't wait to listen to it.

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I bought the new Stone that I bought Core when

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it came out, and I also got Dirt, and I

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really liked them both. I don't think Stone Temple Pilots

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is an amazing band, but Core was their first album.

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You could tell it was the sound of a band

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still trying to find its musical feat. There's some great songs,

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but nothing compared to what you would hear on later

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01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,719
Stone Temple Pilot's albums, like the Purple Album and things

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01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,679
that that the band will really developed into an amazing band.

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That said, Dirt is just such an awesome, heavy, beautiful,

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dark master sace that I don't think it can be topped.

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This was Allison Chane's second full length album. They had

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time before we developed their sound, so they were a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit ahead of the race. Went there at Stalk the Pilots.

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Speaker 8: I will never pass up a chance to listen to Core.

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I do think it's great, But if forced to choose

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between the two, I'm gonna go Dirt every time.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Brad, we are dying to know your final

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01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:35,199
judgment between Alison Chains Dirt and Stone Tumble Pilot's Core Brother.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So you know, the thing that I keep telling

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myself is this is a debut album, and there's just

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not that many good debut albums like that.

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Speaker 3: There's only a handful amount that that I've ever been

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like that.

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Speaker 4: However, I think that Allison Chains was in their Wheelhouse,

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you know, in their Complete Crime.

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Speaker 3: When Dirt came out. It's a fallus album.

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Speaker 4: They really both are, and I probably have to do

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with Dirt if I had to pick one of them,

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it's one.

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Speaker 2: A and one point one Wow, want.

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Speaker 4: To you know, it's it's They're right there. But I

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think I probably have to go to Darren and listen

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01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,199
to it just a little bit more. But man, it's

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not my very much of Marchin.

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Speaker 3: That's what I have to go with.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, Okay, Jason, what are your thoughts? Okay, So

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when we started out this, when you said, hey, we

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got to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary of these two, actually

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you said let's celebrate the twenty ninth anniversary, and we said, no,

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let's push it one more year. I in my mind

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was like I had Stone Tuble Pilot. I had several

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,639
Stone Table Pilot's albums. I didn't ever really get into

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01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,960
Alison Chains when they were popular in the nineties, But

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since I've dived into this, my appreciation and respect and

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,199
enjoyment of Allison Chains has increased great. I mean, the

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songs that I listened to are are really great songs.

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And Dirt was awesome, but I'm a feel good guy,

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and there's a lot of songs about drugs on Dirt

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that just don't really hit me right now. They're good, songs,

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01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,119
are really good, but for me, I'm going more. I

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01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:04,920
just I just lean more towards the top. Down, turn

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01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,880
it up STP album of Core. Look, I mean these

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01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,280
songs you just crank up and you sing along. You

1240
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,719
haven't a great time. So mark me down, spike the

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01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,079
football for me, it's Core, Stone Temple Pilots d Okay.

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So James is on dirt, so go one for dirt,

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01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,559
one for Core, two for dirt for dirt yep. So

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now it's up to me, okay, where you're at, let's

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01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:27,920
hear it?

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: So both of these songs were on heavy rotation with me.

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As I said, I might have gotten them both from

1249
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:37,719
the same Columbia house order. They may have both come

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01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,880
to me for a penny one day and I wore

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01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:45,679
them both out. They are both phenomenal albums from beginning

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01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,400
to end. There are songs that I would not describe

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01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:51,920
quite as skippers for the most part, but songs that

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01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,599
are less good than some of the other songs on

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the album.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Dirt so many amazing songs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, You're the entire first side is one of

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the best first sides of all first sides. And then

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when you go to the second side, yeah, you get

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heavy into the songs that are about the spiral downward

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of drug addiction.

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Speaker 2: And some of them are really good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Angry Chair is a fantastic song, but some

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01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:22,719
of them are they don't give me enough to keep

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01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,480
me churning through time after time after time. Like the

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01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:31,480
songs on Core do Core I can listen to from

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01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:35,039
the beginning to the end. I don't even skip wet

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my bed.

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Speaker 2: I listen to all of it and love all of

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it every single time, and have for thirty years now.

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And so I've got to say, as much as I

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01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:48,440
love Fair, and I love it a lot, or is

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01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:53,280
the winner for me. So we have, gentlemen, time I push,

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01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,519
so a push if you will. I think that this

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is probably you really used to say that.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is the time that I have

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to say, let's do the Shirly showcase. Because I am

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01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,480
my neighbor who is the biggest Allison Chains fan of

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01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,599
all time that I've ever met in my life. To

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01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,920
give me her opinion on this, and apologies for how

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01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,360
this may sound. We were in the middle of a

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01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,639
get together where there were other people talking, but hopefully

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01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,599
her opinion comes through clearly.

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Speaker 14: Okay, So, without further ado, this is my dear friend

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Kristin Pirozak to tell us her thoughts on Core versus Dirk.

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Speaker 2: How does someone who has.

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Speaker 1: Named their child after the lead singer of Alison Chain's

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01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,559
pick coor over Derrek.

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Speaker 15: I was a little bit late into the game because

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I was younger in nineteen ninet two.

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Speaker 16: It was ten years old, so I had older sisters,

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so I didn't kind of come into the grownge scene

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until I was a little bit older. When I was

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listening to all of these albums, never Mind Dirt Core

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was the teenage ankst.

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Speaker 15: For me, versus never Mind Didn't Blow.

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01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:12,719
Speaker 2: It was that song for me.

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Speaker 15: My coming of age of music was all happening at once,

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even though it was a little bit late for the time.

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Jar Flies was my big awakening Alison Chain's moment.

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Speaker 2: So you know, when you love a band, you fall

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01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:26,039
in love what they've got.

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Speaker 15: At the time, and then you go back to their

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01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:28,639
old stuff.

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Speaker 16: So to me, I was going backwards to Dirt, but

1306
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,639
like me, when I fell in love with Alison Chaine's

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01:07:34,679 --> 01:07:36,280
it was more Jarriflies.

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Speaker 15: Dirt was okay.

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Speaker 16: But when I think, at the same time, I was

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listening to Core and Ten, so it was the song

1311
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Wet my Bed from Core that reminded me of something

1312
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:53,480
off Vitology, So to me, like I almost put Core

1313
01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:56,000
in Vitology at the same time, which I was loving

1314
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:58,719
Pearl Jam from Ten, so I was listening to Vitology.

1315
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It was just this extreme interest because I love Ten

1316
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,599
so much and then I'm having Core at the same time.

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Speaker 15: So I think all of that, just to me was

1318
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overriding my love for Alison Chains.

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Speaker 16: Blane State, like Lane Staley is almost a separate entity

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to me than Alison Chains because Alison Jameson was a

1321
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:28,680
Jerry Cantrell Lane Stay compilation album. Wise, Core for sure,

1322
01:08:29,119 --> 01:08:31,640
like I can listen to that NonStop. It almost makes

1323
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,319
me think of the hair bands a little bit, and

1324
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,359
I was not into the hairband scene like career wise,

1325
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:43,640
Alison Chains far surpasses Stone Table, Violots, Facelift and Jarflies

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01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:44,720
and Unplugged.

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Speaker 15: Lane Staley was the vocalist of all vocalists of all.

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01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 16: Of the grunge era, all of the grunge era, nobody

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01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:54,960
compares to Lane Staley.

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Speaker 15: I mean, you could never pair Scott Wiland with Lane Staley.

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01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:01,760
Blanees Daly holds the torch.

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,039
Speaker 16: He was this quiet, quiet soul and then when he sang,

1333
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,560
his voice came out.

1334
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Speaker 5: I was the Lane's daily fan, you know.

1335
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 2: For somebody who loves Dirt, she sure loves Core a

1336
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:23,520
little bit more.

1337
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 14: Well, it's it's all about when you get the music, man,

1338
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,239
I mean, when you hear it and when you fall

1339
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:31,960
in love with certain things. I think that's I mean,

1340
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:34,279
we've we've had it happened to us many times before.

1341
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,960
It's the nostalgia factor, if you will. Absolutely, I think

1342
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,079
it hit her right on this one. But it's it's

1343
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:42,039
just kind of crazy to think that she's so much

1344
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:44,439
a bigger fan of that album than Dirt.

1345
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 3: Wow.

1346
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:47,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kristin, thank you very much.

1347
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, thanks Kristin.

1348
01:09:48,119 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 3: There you go.

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01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,399
Speaker 2: Looks like we've got the Tidebreaker. Sorry, Louisiana.

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01:09:53,039 --> 01:10:04,159
Speaker 1: Two Core guys, guys, fans, please let us know your thoughts.

1351
01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:05,319
Speaker 2: Who are you picking? Is it?

1352
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,079
Speaker 1: Are you picking Allison Chains at Dirt? Are you picking

1353
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:10,840
stp and core. Who do you think has the better

1354
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,520
full body of work? Let us know your thoughts. You

1355
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,600
can hit us up on Twitter at Shirly Podcast, on

1356
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,159
Facebook at Shirley Podcast. You can email us Surely Podcasts

1357
01:10:21,279 --> 01:10:24,760
at gmail dot com. Guys, thank you for listening to

1358
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,600
each and every one of these episodes.

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 2: We hope you loved it.

1360
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: We will be back next week with special guest Andy

1361
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,359
Fry to talk about his.

1362
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 2: Book ninety Days in the Nineties and falls right in

1363
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:41,399
what we're listening to right now. I'm excited to do that.

1364
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Speaker 3: Brad.

1365
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your support. Thank you for

1366
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,960
coming in and weighing in on this with us.

1367
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:49,359
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me so good to meet you, Thanks

1368
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:51,760
for thanks for being there. I'll do it again time

1369
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:52,439
you can be my help.

1370
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,399
Speaker 2: I really thought you were going to line up with

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stuntimble pallets.

1372
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Speaker 3: I thought I was too.

1373
01:10:57,079 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 4: Before we did this, I just kind of started thinking

1374
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about look at the siding just I don't know.

1375
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Speaker 3: It's very very close.

1376
01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 2: Though, to begin to smell

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Speaker 9: Well, to smell alone,