WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:03.680 You know, Boss, we've gone over what happened on television 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.799 when Terry the Hulk Boulder made it to Memphis. Yes, 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:11.279 not so much the interpersonal dynamics of important. 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:13.359 Yes, that's what fucking matters. 5 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:16.160 And what interpersonal dynamic could be more important in the 6 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:19.160 territory of Memphis in nineteen seventy nine than that between 7 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:21.320 Jerry the King Lawler and Hulk Hogan. 8 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:26.719 That's the only that's the only dynamic, the only dynamic that. 9 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.640 Matters, because, like you said, the mind immediately goes to 10 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:31.960 that wrestling gold match. You knew about it before we 11 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:35.200 ever even launched the Lapsed fan yep, I have that tape. 12 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:39.439 Have that tape and sit with you preep tape. How 13 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:41.039 did it sit with you when you first watched it? 14 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:46.840 That's that's a great question. Like I don't, I don't remember, 15 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:52.399 you know, I just didn't. I didn't really appreciate Jerry 16 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:59.159 Lawler in terms of his his legacy and in terms 17 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:04.159 of Memphis and whatever. If anything, it made me realize 18 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.239 Jerry Lawler was old, was older than I thought he was. 19 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:14.359 Perhaps sure, you know, because I don't think it really 20 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:17.799 I don't think it hit me as as how kind 21 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:19.840 of Yeah, that's my question for you to hit you 22 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.760 as I just watched Hulkogan lose to Jerry Lawler. No, no, 23 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:25.560 it didn't hit me like that. 24 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:31.480 It was not that I recall anyway. I think, if anything, 25 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:35.000 what bothered me more was that just that Hulk Hogan lost, 26 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:38.319 because even though he was a heel, I was I 27 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:41.159 want him to win, right, you know? That was always 28 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:43.959 a thing, no matter what Hulk Hogan was, I always 29 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:44.640 wanted him to win. 30 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:46.640 And as we'll talk about, this is hardly the first 31 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.879 time Jerry the King Lawler was in a bit of 32 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:52.680 a controversy like this around framing himself in wrestling media 33 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:55.480 as having picked up a victory in his territory over 34 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:59.599 big time superstars who went on to greater fame and 35 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.799 fortune than just the Mid South Coliseum. And it's a 36 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:07.359 fun little wrinkle in how the Jerry Lawler office would 37 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:11.159 play games in a nineteen seventies pro wrestling territorial scene 38 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:13.120 that man, are we stewing in as part of the 39 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.759 complete hul Cogan here on the rast Fan Wrestling podcast 40 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:18.800 and Oh Yes, Hull Cogan and Eddie Boulder's journey to 41 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.800 Memphis in the summer of seventy nine remains our focus 42 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.639 with a bit of a stretch goal here on what 43 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.199 I think will probably be our final episode on Hogan's 44 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:30.680 Memphis Run, because it's very awkward. You have these months 45 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:32.919 in seventy nine. As we talked about last time. May 46 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:35.000 seventy nine, he comes up from Alabama to do a 47 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:38.759 couple shots teaming with Jerry Lawler, Joles Yes, and Ed Boulder, 48 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:41.319 and then kind of skirts back to Alabama, does all 49 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:43.439 the stuff we talked about in prior episodes, including the 50 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:45.319 Harley Race match, and then ends up back in Memphis 51 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.719 on a bit of a full time commitment teaming with 52 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.439 Ed Boulder. Is the Boulder Brothers on television, feuding with 53 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:54.039 the likes of Ron Bass, Pete Austin and others that 54 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.240 we've talked about, and then eventually kind of peeling off 55 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.639 and challenging guys like Bass for Singles Championship while Ed 56 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:02.960 Boulder as a single fell further down the card. That 57 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:06.039 should be the sum and substance of his Memphis run. 58 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.919 There shouldn't be much more to say, because after this 59 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.439 he goes to TBS Georgia Championship. He goes to WWF 60 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.039 in New York, he's in New York for all of 61 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:18.159 nineteen eighty. He starts in Japan in nineteen eighty where 62 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:20.479 as we're going to talk about, you better believe, as 63 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.039 we're going to talk about, his stardom reaches a whole 64 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.599 new dimension and his appeal becomes completely undeniable to anyone 65 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:30.759 with a pulse paying attention to the wrestling scene. And 66 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.520 it's only after all of that hoopla, and just as 67 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:36.439 he's on the doorstep of making that fateful jump to 68 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:41.400 vere Gania to become an explosively popular babyface, that he 69 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:45.680 has this one match in February of nineteen eighty one 70 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.080 against Jerry Lawler in the Mid South Colosseum. He comes 71 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:51.240 back to Memphis really for just that match. They do 72 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.560 rematch each other in nineteen eighty one, but it's not 73 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:58.960 in Memphis. It's at the Bayfront Center in Florida. Oh wow, 74 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:04.039 But it's so hard to who what what promotion was 75 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:08.400 that that was Chimp to Prestling from Florida. That was 76 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:11.039 kind of like an Eddie Graham co. Promotion if you 77 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.879 will see. They kind of carried the feud because Lawler 78 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.879 would make appearances in Florida as well on a regular 79 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:21.079 basis while being you know, obviously homesteaded and having a 80 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:23.240 percentage of the office in Memphis. He did get around 81 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:27.360 a little, right, Oh, we know that in more ways 82 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:29.800 than perhaps you're thinking. So it's so hard because you 83 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.160 want to put a bow in Hulk Memphis. You want 84 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:33.360 to put a bow on it, you want to put 85 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:35.480 a pin in it as seventy nine. But there's this 86 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:38.120 eighty one and goddamn it, it's it's the most famous 87 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.319 thing he did in Memphis. It's the thing everybody thinks about. Yeah, 88 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.240 because match and the tape, and that's tape. 89 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:46.519 I imagine if that tape didn't exist, no one would 90 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:48.079 give no one even fucking think about it. 91 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:52.600 So our mission here as we finish walking in Memphis 92 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:56.240 with the Hulkster, is to explain that, explain how it 93 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:58.360 very much fit a pattern of how Jerry Lawler was 94 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.279 conducting himself in the wrestling industry as not only a 95 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.199 top headliner in the Memphis territory, but an executive and 96 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.480 someone you know, subject to n WA politics but not 97 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:10.079 necessarily beholden to them like so many other promoters seem 98 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:12.959 to be. How that fit the pattern and how basically, 99 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:17.000 you know, much like Dusty Rhodes, Hulk borrowed and learned 100 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:20.040 from the top baby face, like Jerry Lawler all the 101 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:22.600 tricks of the trade of getting the people behind you, 102 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.759 and then just left the territory and was off to 103 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:28.519 the races to put those wears to use in different 104 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:34.000 regions and under brighter spotlights. So it's time to uh, 105 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:37.759 not only cap off what Hogan in Memphis was, but 106 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:41.199 what it meant for where it is he's he's going. 107 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:45.279 And so we need to be lathered right at mean memorial. 108 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:46.720 If we're going to go down a road like this, 109 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.920 we need to be satiated. We need to be sated. 110 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.959 Our thirst needs to be quenched. Yes, we talked a 111 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.040 long journey ahead of us. We talk a lot about 112 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:57.720 quenching thirst, don't you talk about the hunger? But the 113 00:05:57.720 --> 00:05:58.720 thirst also. 114 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:01.680 Oh, there's all ways a brutal thirst. 115 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:04.759 Brutal thirst when you're engaging in a journey like ours. 116 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:08.800 I mean you don't go, uh, you don't go meandering 117 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:12.800 out in the desert for three weeks without proper supplies, Okay, 118 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:16.000 because you'll like go end of Blake Evandanner Okay, and uh, 119 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:18.360 what we like to pack what we like to have 120 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:24.079 in our corner is garage Beer. 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We're open to any 135 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:12.120 and all possibilities here on the Complete Hulk Cogen Journey. 136 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:14.439 We covered so much material last time, Like I said, 137 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:16.319 the ins and outs of what was happening in the ring, 138 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:18.879 a bit more of a behind the scenes treatment here, 139 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:21.360 Boss I think we ought to start in the seventy 140 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:24.759 nine folder there and nin can seventy nine dash nine 141 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.600 to three, because with this marks is a bit of 142 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.720 press coverage here in the Birmingham News that basically brings 143 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:33.800 to an end the Nick Gooulis Roy Welch era of Memphis. 144 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:35.920 Remember we talked about how Jerry Jarrett made a move 145 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.000 on them and took over. Yes, and this is sort 146 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.360 of like the last gasp. This is like those articles 147 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.399 back in the lamentable tragedy of World Class where all 148 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.240 of a sudden, Fritz was selling to these like random 149 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:51.199 media figures in the Dallas Fort Worth market and you realize, like, 150 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.959 this guy, after decades of owning this part of the 151 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.720 country from a professional wrestling perspective, is truly going to 152 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.680 go out with a whimper. And here the full changing 153 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.480 of the guard and essentially the end of involvement in 154 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:06.680 Memphis of the Welsh family, which, as we've come to 155 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.199 appreciate at this point in the complete Hulkogan, is a 156 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:13.000 very important one to getting Terry Bully jump started in 157 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:13.879 the wrestling industry. 158 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.759 Yes, so it's a fact. The headline reads Gulis did 159 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:24.720 sell Birmingham. Wow, what's the date again? Nineteen seventy nine? 160 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:26.120 Dash oh nine, dash o three. 161 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.959 Oh there it is right there. It's a I'm sorry 162 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:39.200 that that picture of whoever Hal Hayes's be a columnist? 163 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:43.000 Yeah too much for me? Yess like Jesus Christ. How 164 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:49.679 many chins has that guy got? Anyway? The divorce came suddenly, 165 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:53.159 unexpectedly too. As far as any of us knew, at least, 166 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:56.039 there had been no visible or audible signs of trouble, 167 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.799 and gossip was non existent. We all thought the union 168 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:03.159 was still solid. Then the news came first by whisper. 169 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.360 When it was confirmed, the impact hit like a small bomb. 170 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:11.600 Nick Goulis had indeed divested himself of his mate of 171 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:16.440 twenty five years, professional wrestling in Birmingham for one reason. 172 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.960 I told my interests there for one reason, the veteran 173 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:23.960 entrepreneur said Monday from his nation. He's a veteran entrepreneur. 174 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:31.039 That's one industry, Yeah exactly from Uh said Monday from 175 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:34.559 his Nashville, Tennessee home. Come September, I'll be sixty five 176 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:42.399 years old, and I've been at this promotion's business. I've 177 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:48.559 been at this promotions business forty four years. Forty four years, 178 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:52.399 he repeats, and I just figured it was time that 179 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.600 I started enjoying my life. That's the only reason I 180 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:02.480 sold really well. I think Hogan enjoyed life when he 181 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:05.279 didn't sell you bright, because it's because he didn't sell 182 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:08.000 why he enjoyed me. I gave it a lot of 183 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.000 thought before I ever did it. I made a lot 184 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.840 of money from my Birmingham cards. It's a great wrestling town. 185 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:18.440 But he continued deliberately. I just got tired of driving 186 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:21.519 down there every Monday night, week after week for all 187 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:25.240 those years. So in those two gentlemen, Curtis Mackenzie and 188 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:27.759 Tonio Ladoux came to me and offered to buy me out. 189 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:31.120 I said, okay, they proved themselves to me. They prove 190 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.960 that they are committed to continuing the high grade of 191 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:37.120 professional wrestling the folks down here down there used to. 192 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.440 The two local businessmen are said to have paid well 193 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:44.519 into six figures for the franchise. 194 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:48.600 Here lies just another small little puzzle piece in what 195 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.879 used to be the vast territorial system of wrestling in 196 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:55.440 the United States. Of course, the Mackenzies weren't able to 197 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.240 do much with it. Before Vince even took over nationally. 198 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:02.200 This from nineteen eighty. McKenzie is crying uncle and giving 199 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:05.200 up his brief career as a wrestling promoter in Birmingham 200 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:08.919 as president McKenzie Wrestling Enterprises, Inc. He his filed for bankruptcy. 201 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:12.039 Report surfaced earlier this year that McKenzie's wrestling venture was 202 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:14.159 on the ropes, or nearly so, when paying customers for 203 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.679 the Monday night matches that apparently Nick Goulis was sick 204 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.159 of driving to right boss, yeah right at Boutwell Auditorium 205 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.360 dropped below the break even mark. About the same time, 206 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.679 Nick Goulis, a long time wrestling promote in the Southeast, 207 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.759 sued McKenzie. Big thumbs up for these strong businessmen who 208 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:28.799 came around, sue m. 209 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:32.720 Bout Well. By the way, the Boutwell Auditorium. That's great, 210 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:36.600 that's right. How about bout poorly poor about Apparently that's 211 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:38.960 what was going on. I guess so for a twenty 212 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.279 five thousand dollars payment which Goulis claimed was overdue in 213 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.960 one hundred thousand dollars contract. McKenzie got into the wrestling 214 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.639 promotion business in December nineteen seventy eight after contracting with 215 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.240 Goulis for his interest in Birmingham Wrestling. The final payment 216 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.799 of twenty five thousand dollars wasn't paid last January. An 217 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:54.360 associate of McKenzie said it wasn't paid because Goulis had 218 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:57.919 not fulfilled his promise ah Yes, to provide quality wrestlers 219 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:00.440 for the Birmingham matches that payment. I don't know why he. 220 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:04.759 Had to pride the wrestlers would provide a contract back 221 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.679 end bullshit were like, he's not the owner, but basically 222 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:10.879 the owner's subcontract to him to staff the cards, which 223 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:12.600 if he was doing a good enough job, the damn 224 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:14.399 thing wouldn't be on the auction block anyway. But as 225 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:16.440 Nickoolas said, he's selling for one reason because all of 226 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:18.440 a sudden he's sick of driving to Birmingham. 227 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.960 Yeah, well, i'd say too, I'd say, I say one 228 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.759 of the reasons he also, uh, I'd say the main reason, 229 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:26.240 and he's probably not going to say this here, is 230 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.080 that somebody offered him money for it. Yeah, that's the 231 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:30.360 fucking main reason. 232 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:31.720 All of a sudden it's for sale when someone comes 233 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.360 around with waving some cash. He certainly wasn't driving to 234 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:37.639 the Mid South Coliseum on Monday nights anymore because Jerry 235 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.639 Jarrett had had firmly dominated him in that arena, had 236 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:44.200 fulfilled his promise to Pride Quality wrestlers. Yes, that payment 237 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.120 with a notation that is in litigation. I don't let 238 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:49.799 nobody dominate nobody on my watch. No, that's why knowing 239 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:52.840 gets over. It's the largest dead listed on the McKenzie 240 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.039 Wresting Enterprises petition in US Bankruptcy Court. Goulis of Birmingham, Naive, 241 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.440 whose wrestling empire is based in Nashville. 242 00:12:59.080 --> 00:12:59.600 Okay. 243 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:04.000 So one little interesting factoid about this Birmingham part of 244 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:07.679 the territory that Nikolas retained after Jerry Jarrett closed in 245 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:10.279 on Memphis and those main areas out to Evansville, Indianna 246 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.759 as well, is that Hulk did make his way through there. 247 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:15.480 In fact, on September fourth, nineteen seventy nine, the Birmingham 248 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.840 News ran this piece, the Hulk Captures Wrestling feature. 249 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:22.639 That's the headline. I don't even know what that fucking means. 250 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:24.600 So he wasn't competing for a championship or a belt. 251 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:27.279 He was competing for a feature. What is this an audition. 252 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:36.559 Like feature? What feature? What exactly? Feature? Film? Feature? 253 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:39.519 Article and no sign of Bolet or anything like that 254 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:42.320 or Boulder the Hulk, It says one Wrestling's main event 255 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:44.720 at the Auditorium Monday night. When look who he's wrestling, 256 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:48.480 Dennis Condrey, Oh my god of the future. Midnight Express 257 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:51.879 was disqualified to Jesus Christ, I invite you to consider it, fucker, Oh, 258 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:55.840 invite you to consider the Terry Boulder we've been watching 259 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:58.080 in action in the Memphis Ring in seventy nine wrestling 260 00:13:58.120 --> 00:13:59.080 Dennis Condury. 261 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:04.360 One on one, Condrey is like just one of those. 262 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.879 He's one of those, like just perennial, perverted looking motherfuckers. 263 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:10.399 Dennis Contracy, the. 264 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.519 Guy who like could pass, is like having appealed to 265 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.600 ladies in the eighties, but you look at him like 266 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.080 forty years later and it's like this guy would not 267 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:21.080 be allowed in public today. No, not at all, not 268 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:22.759 at all with that chest hair showing. 269 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:27.960 Not that's the thing not allowed in public, meaning he 270 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:32.840 cannot leave his house. Okay, that's exactly, that's exactly. It 271 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:36.320 sounds like an appropriates to me. What a what a 272 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:37.840 dirty looking man? And boss. 273 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:39.720 Take a look at the poster to the left. Mackenzie 274 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.399 Wrestling enterprises this labor Day is super spectacular. How is 275 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:45.440 he listed our front Terry Malay? 276 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:48.720 They might as well just call him Lou for Rigno 277 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:53.720 for Gugno in action. What does it say is his 278 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.759 main event? Six foot six inch and two hundred and 279 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.879 eighty eight pound the incredible Hull versus Dennis Oh, this 280 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:07.240 is actually holy shaid, this is even better versus Dennis Conrad. 281 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:15.759 Oh my god, oh fuck, some good. 282 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.519 Should not handle these fucking typeos is so bad. That's 283 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.799 his name, Conrad Conrad, No Condrey, Well I never heard 284 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.000 that fucking name before. He's coming to Conrad and miss 285 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:37.679 fucking Boston. My god, he's a ship. How are you? Also? Now? 286 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:44.000 Underneath there's an ape man tag Tojo Yamamoto huge in 287 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:49.519 The Great Togo Jimmy Jones, The Red Terror versus Prince Tonga, 288 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:56.200 Tony Ludou and Armand Hussein who's no, No, Husien Armond 289 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.799 Whosian who's Hussyan, Yeah, Hussian. It's supposed to be Hussein 290 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:04.919 and it's supposed to be Armond. We talked about him 291 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:08.600 in the in the Dallas Journey. It's one of Gary 292 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.399 Hart's guy's tremendous. 293 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:18.320 Armand Husien Larry Bolden, Oh, Michel Larry Bolden, is that 294 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:26.080 a long lost Boulder brother? I don't know about fucking cavities. 295 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:28.240 I want you to also read it was the last 296 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.360 adviso at the bottom of the ad tell me why 297 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:34.879 you put this, just in case you're wondering. 298 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.879 There will be an increase in ticket prices for Monday 299 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:42.639 Night match. Which one. 300 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:46.759 That's the That's the title of my documentary on the 301 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:50.600 history of Monday Night Raw. There will be an increase 302 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:55.799 in ticket prices for Monday Night Match. I think that's 303 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.120 better than Monday Night Raw. Monday Night Match, don't you. 304 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:04.839 What will be the Monday Night Match? I just can't. 305 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.839 I mean, I'm looking at this and I can't not smile. 306 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.799 It just says the Incredible Hulk is going to be wrestling. 307 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:12.960 I mean, if they even. 308 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:15.640 Try to claim that they were like fully aware of 309 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.640 what they were doing, oh my god, such pieces of 310 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:22.839 shit and other bouts. The team of Tony LaDou, Mike Jackson, 311 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.359 Larry Bolden and Prince Tonga defeated the combination of Tojoyamoto, 312 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.519 Jimmy Jones, the Great Tonga and the Red Terror, and 313 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:32.319 Ken Lucas beat David Kenny so yeah, Tojo and Earl 314 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:37.559 Yamamoto there definitely a well known heel, one of the 315 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.240 guys that really mentored Jerry Jarrett coming up as an 316 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:43.200 inn ring worker and one of the top heels in Nashville. 317 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:47.039 The problem was in Memphis. But when Jerry went off 318 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:49.200 on his own, a bunch of wrestlers stayed with Nick 319 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:54.519 Gulis and Tojo Yamamoto was among them, so hear evidence 320 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:59.799 of that bit of a divided loyalties. So that's kind 321 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.119 of the the state of the territory and the last whimper. 322 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:06.559 Like I said of Nicholas's involvement in and around, I mean, 323 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:09.160 that's just the closing of the Birmingham leg of the territory. 324 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.880 But they all fall in a similar way like Dominos, 325 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.039 and I'm sure end up in some six paragraph story 326 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:19.160 about a bankruptcy filing somewhere eventually. So those are those 327 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.599 last gasps, and Halt's life moves on from here, and 328 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:26.119 we're going to talk about and set the stage for 329 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:29.640 the Jerry Lawler match and take us through kind of 330 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:34.039 where Lawler's mentality was as it regards Terry Boulder coming 331 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:38.079 through the territory. Here's something I want you to take 332 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:40.759 a look at to start with, this ran in one 333 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:41.720 of the aftermags. 334 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:42.880 I believe it was. 335 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:47.079 In nineteen and seventy five. If you could describe to people, 336 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.400 boss what it is you're looking at? Yes, nineteen seventy five. 337 00:18:55.319 --> 00:19:06.359 Oh Jesus Christ. Okay, okay. So the image is of 338 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:16.720 Jerry Lawler. Who I mean, you know Lawler. He looks 339 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:21.759 like sometimes he looks like a high schooler from this 340 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:27.839 time period. You know, he just looks like a stupid teenager. 341 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:31.079 He looks like a you know, like a twenty five 342 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:33.480 year old that plays a teenager in a movie about 343 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:38.079 high school, right right, exactly exactly. And he's got a 344 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:42.759 side headlock on under the Giant, but he's you know, 345 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:45.960 Andre's basically holding him up like Lawler's feet are not 346 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:51.799 touching the ground. And the headline reads the night a 347 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:57.359 quote midget unquote defeated under the Giant, and on top 348 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.720 it reads compared to under the Giant, Jerry Lawler is visible. 349 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:05.519 Yet on one remarkable night, Lawler should showed size isn't important. 350 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:10.279 When the will to win burns bright and Andre learned 351 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:13.640 every wrestler, no matter what his size, must be taken 352 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:18.960 seriously believe I guess he beat Under the Giant, well, 353 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:23.000 just like you guess he beat Hulkogan, right, Yeah, I 354 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.160 guess Yep. This was the first example of this kind 355 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:29.720 of playbook because Lawlers were about to get into always 356 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:31.480 wanted to get on the cover of the Aftermags. He 357 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:34.279 always was trying to engineer circumstances. 358 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:36.720 That just makes so much sense to me. 359 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:39.599 Yes, And now do you think he did this and 360 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:43.559 this kind of headline came out with the full acceptance 361 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:46.440 of none all the NWA, but Vince McMahon Sr. Who 362 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:50.359 basically had booking rights to Under the Giant. Did you 363 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:53.240 think he took kindly to this little gamesmanship? 364 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:57.400 No, I would imagine that that Lawler did this to 365 00:20:58.480 --> 00:20:58.839 be a. 366 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:02.960 Bitch, to be a bit. Yes, And it's important context 367 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:06.319 because not only the connective tissue between Hulk Andre of course, 368 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:10.160 but it's not unlike the way that it's almost like 369 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:12.880 they use this as sort of a storyline to explain 370 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.119 the nineteen eighty one series between Lawler and Hogan. But 371 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:17.599 at the same time, I think there was a bona 372 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:20.240 fide real effort once Hogan hit it big to kind 373 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:22.480 of revisit this put it out on video and be like, hey, 374 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.440 you know, just so you know, Jerry Lawler beat him, 375 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:28.119 you know, back in the day. This is from Lawler's 376 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:31.279 book Unbelievable. I finally did get a cover story in 377 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:32.839 the magazine, but when I did, it got me into 378 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:35.880 trouble with the NWA. I met Vince McMahon senior, who, 379 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:37.960 by the way, was back in good graces with the 380 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:40.880 NWA in the seventies. You know, you had all manner 381 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:45.839 of talent from what dbiasse Flair Roads Race. So many 382 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:49.519 NWA luminaries were wrestling in the garden at this point 383 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:51.960 in the seventies. I met Vince McMahon senior at a 384 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:54.240 National Wrestling Alliance convention, the annual meeting of all the 385 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:56.640 promoters I mentioned before. It was always in places like 386 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.480 Las Vegas, Lake Tahoe, or Reno. Like most conventions, it 387 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:01.200 was more or less vacation or get away for the 388 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:03.319 promoters and a chance to visit with each other, take 389 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:05.200 care of a little business, but mostly to get away 390 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:08.799 from their wives and do a little gambling. The main 391 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:10.680 and in the case of the Van Eric boys, have 392 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:11.480 some prostitutes. 393 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:12.559 That's right. 394 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.079 The main business concern at this particular meeting was that 395 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:18.720 TV stations were starting to charge rest to feed my 396 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.400 sons younger. They went to the golden steer, all right 397 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:28.759 in the past, absolutely okay, So the big controversy apparently 398 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:29.920 that they were going to meet there was always like 399 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:32.680 a big agenda item. This year it was TV station, 400 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.240 you're charting to charge wrestling companies for their shows. God forbid, 401 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:38.119 you know, make us pay to be on the air. 402 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:41.039 That's insane. In the past, Lala. 403 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:44.200 Wright fucking wrestling where they fucking complain about every every 404 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:45.440 little thing, like I. 405 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:47.920 Know, any like disruption to the way business was done 406 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:52.119 forty years ago. It's like an existential threat. In the past, 407 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.720 it had been a barber a barter wrestling promoters made 408 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:56.400 the show, the station would air it. Now the stations 409 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:58.599 were starting to realize that we wouldn't be in business 410 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:00.680 without the show, So why not make motors pay for 411 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:02.960 the airtime too. This was a major corporate problem and 412 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:04.519 to put a lot of motors out of business. But 413 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:07.480 the promoter from the Northeast, Vince McMahon Sr. Had something 414 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:09.440 he wanted to bring to the attention of his colleagues. 415 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.720 This was something he thought more important than any TV contract. 416 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:15.720 Vince McMahon Senior stood up at the meeting and said, 417 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.839 I'll tell you what a big problem with the business is. Yes, 418 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.880 it's things like this here, and he held up boss 419 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.720 a copy of Wrestling Superstars magazine and on the cover 420 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:28.759 there was a headline the night a midget beat Andre 421 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.240 the Giant. Yes, I was sitting in the room at 422 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:32.960 the time, Lawla writes, and I kind of slunk down 423 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:34.920 a little in my seat. That was because the midget 424 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:36.960 the article was referring to his me. You had to 425 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:39.480 book Andrea the Giant through the Worldwide Wrestling Federation. You 426 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.440 could call Vince Senior and ask for Andre for three 427 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:43.680 days a week or whatever. It was just pretty much 428 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:46.119 how Louis Tillett got him and how Hogan wrestled him 429 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:49.039 in seventy nine. To get him, you'd have to guarantee 430 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:50.519 Andrea a certain amount, and you had to pay the 431 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:52.839 company an extra booking fee. We had Andrea wrestled me 432 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.000 in Memphis, Evansville, and Louisville. When we were wrestling in Louisville, 433 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.640 there was a photographer who took pictures of the pair 434 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:00.000 of us in action. They were great. The size difference 435 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:02.200 looked amazing, Andrea looked colossal, and I looked like, well, 436 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:04.160 a midget. Of course, I'm not a small guy, but 437 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:05.960 Andre was listed to seven to four and weighed more 438 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.759 than five hundred pounds. He was significantly bigger than Paul 439 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.119 White the Big Show, which is saying something. I sent 440 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.359 Bill Apter the pictures of me and Andre. I used 441 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:15.960 to send him pictures all the time to try to 442 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:19.640 get in the magazine. Oh boy, so lending some credence 443 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:21.119 to the idea that Bill Apter was the one that 444 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:24.319 put Andy Kauffman in touch with the Memphis office, Right, yeah, 445 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:28.359 always an intermediary, Bill Apter, always uh. He said the 446 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.720 Andrea pictures were great, and he asked if I minded 447 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:32.680 him calling me a midget in the story. He also 448 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.359 said what he wanted to title the story at the time, 449 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:37.480 you couldn't beat Andre the Giant. He wanted to say 450 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:39.279 that Andre had been thrown out of the ring and 451 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:41.640 couldn't back in and got counted out. But the whole 452 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:43.519 deal was great to me because I finally made it 453 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:45.319 on the cover of the magazine. I didn't think anything 454 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.720 more about it until Vincent J. Mcmahonsr. Held the magazine 455 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:51.559 up and said, here's what's wrong with the business today, 456 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:56.599 stories like this. He was angry. No one's ever beaten Andre. 457 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:59.079 He's one of the biggest attractions in this business and 458 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:01.200 he needs to be part. We go out of our 459 00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.000 way to make sure none of this ever happens. And 460 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.759 then someone sends in pictures and write stories. Can you 461 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:09.960 picture Vince Senior to the New York write stories, and 462 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.359 they're gonna write an article. Come on, we go through 463 00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:16.039 all this trouble to protect Andre and they're gonna write 464 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:16.640 an article. 465 00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:20.160 I'm gonna write. They're just gonna They're just gonna write 466 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:22.519 this article. I'm just gonna print it in the in 467 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:25.680 the little magazine, and they're gonna they're gonna ruin everything 468 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:27.839 for everybody. Do you hear that? Do you hear the 469 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:29.680 cling of the silverware? Yes? I do. 470 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:33.680 At the convention, the son of a bit, not only 471 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.359 did someone beat Andre the Giant, Lawla writes, a midget 472 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:39.119 beat Andre the Giant. At this point, mister McMahon's face 473 00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:41.480 was starting to turn red. He was boiling. My face 474 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.000 was turning red as well from embarrassment. I slunk a 475 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.640 little farther down in my chair. Terry Funk, who loved 476 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:50.880 this kind of thing. Terry's there, God rub his hands together. 477 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:54.319 Oh he loves the disorder. He loves you know what 478 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:57.400 I mean, the chaos. Terry Funk, who loved this kind 479 00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.119 of thing, thought it was really funny at these meetings. 480 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:02.440 Terry was like the mischievous kid in school who didn't 481 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:05.119 want to get called on by his tucher fucking in 482 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:07.480 the back of the class. He was sitting back there 483 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.279 looking at me, and he shouted out, well, who was 484 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:14.039 the little bastard who beat Andrea the Giant fans? 485 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.640 Who book to whim? He shows in it because he 486 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:20.680 doesn't want Lawala to get off the hook. He doesn't 487 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:26.119 want just absolutely it's like generic of this midget guide. Oh, well, 488 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:29.319 who was the little bastard who beat Andre the Giant fans? 489 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.720 Jerry Lawler, That's who it was, Vince yelt Back, son 490 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.920 of a bit. It wasn't a secret, but Funk made 491 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:37.599 sure that everyone in the room knew I was there. 492 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:39.319 So I had to stand up and explain how this 493 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.640 came about. I said, I hadn't called anybody to say 494 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.000 I'd beaten Andre the Giant. I said, Bill After was 495 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:46.200 a friend of mine, Vince McMahon said, that's what I'm 496 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.680 talking about. These magazine writers don't check with anybody. They're 497 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.440 right in this stuff. That's not good for the business. 498 00:26:53.799 --> 00:27:00.160 These kfabe rags who agree to pretend it's not a 499 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.160 complete fucking put on, by the way, who were fully 500 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:08.000 complicit in the fraud, the consumer fraud that was professional 501 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.119 wrestling in that era. And they they're up there hemming 502 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:13.079 and han and pissing and roaning because for once they 503 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:15.519 featured a match that they want to pretend didn't exist. 504 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.359 They wanted a memory hole. Pathetic. That was really my 505 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.079 only dealing with Vince McMahon, Sr. Lawla, writes Bill, after 506 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.640 had got a number of furious calls from Vince McMahon 507 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.960 Senior over the story. Vince said the story had killed 508 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.920 Andre the Giant's career. Did you know Boston Andre's career 509 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.960 ended in seventy five? You know, I had a feeling, 510 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:36.119 but uh I wasn't sure. I'm glad we confirmed it. 511 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:39.839 You got you just ended the man's career. Come on, Lola, 512 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:43.000 you know what you did. You you'd just ruined him 513 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:47.000 for everybody. No until Vince Junior that for wrestling. 514 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:48.680 You ruined him. You ruin his hulk. 515 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.279 He'll never draw a fucking scent again thanks to you, 516 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:59.720 Lawla and your Memphis bullshit. Fucking Connie's down man, not 517 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:05.200 real businessmen that jingle quarters. As they tell Billy Graham, 518 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.279 he's got to lose the belt, even though he's drawing 519 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:08.720 better than anyone ever has with the belt. 520 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.519 In the garden a bunch of fucking Carnie workers down there, 521 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.960 there's pieces of shit. Fuck you all, fuck you. That's 522 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:16.759 where it starts. 523 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:22.160 Yes, you fucking cunt, Fuck you like I fucked Vicky. 524 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:22.839 Ask you. 525 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:27.599 Wrestling podcast. 526 00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:00.880 Dint said the story had killed on the Giant's career. 527 00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:02.599 I spoke with Bill and we had a bit of 528 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.000 a disagreement about the story. We both thought the other 529 00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:06.880 would come up with the line that I'd beaten Andre. 530 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:07.160 Well. 531 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.200 Of course, Bill and I didn't call each other for 532 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.839 a while after that. The magazine made amends with another 533 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.240 cover of Andre, this time he was posed, and the 534 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.559 headline was why Andre the Giant is Wrestling's only undefeated superstar. 535 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:20.920 Oh my god, that's how you made amends back in 536 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.400 the day, Boss, Yeah, right exactly. Shit, you grubble, you 537 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.720 beg for forgiveness so that we can thank your credentials 538 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.079 again when Vince Senior, When Vince Junior takes. 539 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:35.119 Over, he's undefeated, nobody, no fucking lawless man, fucking defeated Andre. 540 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:42.759 Fuck you. What's his name? Jerry Lawless? Jerry Lawless. It's 541 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.160 a lawless world we're in. It's true. 542 00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:49.599 That's satisfied, mister McMahon. Andre the Giant was a big deal. 543 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.759 And I also love that he's calling Vince Senior mister McMahon. 544 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.319 I love it too. It's so tremendous. What are you 545 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.440 doing in there, Laura? We call my dad, miss McMahon. 546 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:05.279 Why are you doing that? I'm mister McMahon. He's he's 547 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:13.039 Daddy McMahon, Daddy mac macdaddy, but he's not mister McMahon. 548 00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:19.119 That's right. I will kill you. Yeah, it's already too late. 549 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.440 But Under the Giant was a big deal in a 550 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.480 huge drawing card all around. We used to have him 551 00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:26.079 for a week at a time, and he'd work all 552 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.119 our main towns, Memphis, Nashville, Evansville, Louisville. A lot of 553 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:30.880 the guys have different opinions of what Andre was like. 554 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:32.720 If he liked you, he was fine. If he didn't 555 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.160 like you, he didn't mind letting you know it, and 556 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.119 he wouldn't have anything to do with you. Plowboy Fraser 557 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.319 told me one day, you know what labor that honor 558 00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:39.839 of the giant. 559 00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:40.519 He don't like me. 560 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:43.240 I said, oh, Fraser, what makes you think that? And 561 00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.720 plow Boy said he told me. He said, damn it, 562 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:50.759 you're a fucking asshole. I mean, I don't need. I 563 00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:58.319 don't need occasionally, Jerry Allah, I don't know what the 564 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.920 problem is. I don't know why people pretending we haven't 565 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:02.920 been saying for a decade that it's all about food, 566 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:04.640 and when it's. 567 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:09.240 Proven, what a fucking what a fucking mammoth of a 568 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:13.680 human being goes on TV and with a microphone in 569 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:18.079 his fucking mouth, he says a lot. 570 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.880 That's just not to look ahead or anything. But here's brutus. 571 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:29.039 Here's brutus. I mean, do I have to keep showing 572 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.000 up with proof? Is that what you want receives? 573 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.519 No? I mean, not to look ahead. 574 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:36.440 But you know, Ron Bass, he worked all kinds of 575 00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:38.440 territories before he went to work for the WWF and 576 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:40.920 eighty seven, and what's the one thing he said, and 577 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.160 shoot interviews about what told him that he was now 578 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.319 working at a first class operation when he went there, 579 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.039 unlike any he had worked at across the country and 580 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.240 then the world. In fact, the fact that they had 581 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:51.200 steak and catering. 582 00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:52.319 That's right. 583 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:57.640 It's about the food, people, It's about the food. He 584 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.440 remembers not going out with stan Hansen, you know, and 585 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.079 getting drunk trying to find food. He remembers trying to 586 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:08.000 get noodles. He remembers exactly what he wanted in Japan, 587 00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:11.160 what he ate and what he put in his face. Yep, 588 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:16.039 because it's about food always. It's always about what goes 589 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:19.759 in your mouth gets chewed and swallowed and then shot 590 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.680 out at the end of the day. Thank you, just 591 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.680 like the whoppers with Hogan exactly. Andre knew Jerry Jarrett 592 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.559 and I own the territory lawa right, so when he 593 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.599 came in he was basically working for us, although he 594 00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:33.359 wound up working with me in the matches. He was 595 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.359 always very respectful and he would call me boss, a 596 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.240 term he used for people he liked. He'd greet me 597 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:39.359 heady balls. He was real easy going. He'd let you 598 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:42.559 do anything you wanted in a match, other than beat him. Well, 599 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:44.839 so that doesn't really count as anything you want, does it. 600 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:45.200 Yeah? 601 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.240 Right, Hulk Helgan was like that too. If he liked you, 602 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:49.880 he would sell like crazy and he could make you 603 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.039 look like a million dollars. Yeah, memo to Terry Bolea 604 00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:54.640 who didn't know what the fuck he was doing. And 605 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.200 there's Andre busted open getting a table smashed on his 606 00:32:58.279 --> 00:32:59.480 head in Dothan. 607 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.440 You had his hair fucking cut off, the whole thing 608 00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:05.160 like just you could do. You'd do it all. 609 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.359 You had to work to get him off his feet. 610 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:08.960 But once you did, man, it looked good. You could 611 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.279 choke him, pull his hair, punch kick everything. He would 612 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:14.279 stay down and sell until it was time for the 613 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.839 big comeback. So again, just a little bit of a 614 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.640 little bit of a glimpse into kind of the opportunistic 615 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:24.599 mindset of this territory that Terry Boulder. 616 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:25.440 Was making his way. 617 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.000 Waller, Yes, well that's exactly fucking Lawler, that's exactly right. 618 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.640 And this is Jerry Jarrett's take on the whole thing. 619 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.400 Vinzuckman Senior had booked Andre the Giant to me for 620 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.799 a week. This was a huge favor because they seldom 621 00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.200 sent Andre out for more than one shot at a time. 622 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:44.240 That's what I heard. 623 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:46.920 I heard you would put down seventeen eighteen shots at 624 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.599 a time. But one of the towns we booked Andre 625 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.680 and was Louisville, Kentucky, and that match Jerry Lawler won 626 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:57.319 by disqualification. From the first time I booked Andrea, I 627 00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.720 understood that Andre could not be beaten. I mistakenly assumed 628 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.200 that a disqualification would be okay. So here's Jerry Jarrett 629 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:06.960 falling on his sword for the finish. 630 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:07.440 Yeah. 631 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:09.719 The time between an event and it being covered in 632 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:12.960 a wrestling magazine was weeks, so a considerable amount of 633 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.000 time had passed before Vince called me. He said, Jerry, 634 00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:19.599 I'm very upset with you. Of all people, we had 635 00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.519 a gentleman's understanding about the matches Andre was booked in. 636 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.239 I replied that I was aware and that I could 637 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.119 assure him that nobody had ever come close to beating 638 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.000 Andre while he worked for me. Vince said that I 639 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.960 should go get the latest wrestling magazines. Oh busted, Oh boy. 640 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.679 I then asked what was in the magazine, and Vince 641 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:39.960 read me the headlines. Can you picture Vince Senior at 642 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.320 his desk at the fucking the hotel and queens that 643 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.559 they used to have the offices in Yep. Just pounded 644 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.559 finger on the on the on the piece of paper 645 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:52.679 on his desk. Oh God, is it to be alive 646 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:53.159 back then? 647 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:54.079 I know. 648 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:57.239 I then asked what was in the magazine, and Vince 649 00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.159 read me the headlines, which meant the magazine was on 650 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.079 his desk in front of him. This meant he was 651 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:04.960 taking the magazine article seriously. Of course, I began defending 652 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.599 myself by replying, Vince, I had no idea that disqualifications 653 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:18.159 were included in the understanding. Oh that good stuff. Oh 654 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:21.440 you didn't say anything about d qs, Vince, I'm so sorry. 655 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:21.639 You know. 656 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.480 I thought DQ's were fair game. 657 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:28.079 Meanwhile, Andrea said a lot about dq Yes he did. 658 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.039 On top of that, I personally handled the match and 659 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.400 I discussed the match with Andre in private. As always, 660 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.280 Andre had no objections. In fact, Andre said he thought 661 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:41.320 it would set up a good return for his next trip. 662 00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:43.840 Vince confirmed that he could talk to Andre, and the 663 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.039 Giant confirmed he discussed the match with me. Vince said 664 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.079 that he understood and there were no hard feelings, but 665 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.920 to not let it happen again at the NDABA meeting, 666 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.559 Vince Senior was at the podium discussing the Louisville match 667 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.800 in which Andre lost by disqualification to Jerry Lawler. Vince 668 00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.639 held up the magazine which ran Andre loses to midget. 669 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.079 Vince went on to say that promoters must realize that 670 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.079 the wrestling magazines allowed everybody in the world to know 671 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.679 everything that happened in any match in any town. This 672 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.880 gets back to remember we were speculating about Ron Fuller 673 00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:15.199 being shy about having wrestling magazines's photograph his stuff, which 674 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.440 is why yes, we have nothing of Terry Boulder in 675 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.679 his earliest days. Probably it'd avoid shit like this so 676 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.119 we could actually book heat with Andre and not go, 677 00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.639 oh yeah, fucking called out at the NBBA meeting yep 678 00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:30.159 by the fucking New York mafia to know everything that 679 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.360 happened in any match in any town. Vince then said 680 00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:35.719 that every promoter had an obligation to protect another promoter's talent. 681 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.400 Everybody in the room was wondering who allowed a midget 682 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.119 to beat Andre. I sat frozen, hoping that nobody had 683 00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.880 seen the magazine. Suddenly, a voice from the back of 684 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:48.239 the room said loudly, fiance who was the little bastard. 685 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.320 The room broke out and laughter until everyone was that. 686 00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.159 I don't mind telling you, I went ahead and looked 687 00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.920 it up for you. I took a phone myself. I 688 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.320 hope you don't mind. I took it upon myself. It was, 689 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:07.639 you know, wonderful, and here it is. I want to hear. 690 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:11.119 It was that son of a bit lawler, that a 691 00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:18.000 sucking doll, that child molester. 692 00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:19.000 I saw. 693 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:23.519 I saw him sucking balls backstage one time, and Mary 694 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:25.440 was sucking off under the giant. 695 00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:27.960 You had to know the laps trunk was going to 696 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:32.079 find its way through the surface somewhere on that complete 697 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.400 on that complete listen. 698 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.519 As we said before, it's a tale of two terries. 699 00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:41.159 I do have to give. 700 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.159 Props to whoever on Patreon entitled this leg of the 701 00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:53.119 Journey walking in Memphis. When Terry met Jerry, Oh fuck 702 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.719 tremendous fence. 703 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:57.119 Who was the little bastard? 704 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.280 The room broke out and laughter until everyone realized Vince 705 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.719 Senior did not think it was funny. The laughter stopped 706 00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:05.840 as abruptly. 707 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.280 As I mean, you know, it makes you think, actually, 708 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.079 it makes you think of It makes me think of 709 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.800 that scene in Jaws. You know, they get that town meeting, 710 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.239 they need a bigger boat. No, no, not the bigger boat. 711 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.559 But when somebody says the somebody says, well, the first 712 00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:20.599 thing I want to know, You know when when the kittener, 713 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:22.920 you know, the mom who lost the kid in the 714 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.719 in that scene, and the guy says, well, I want 715 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:27.599 to know is that money going to be in cash 716 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.800 a check? And then everyone's laughing. But there's the there's 717 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.760 the one woman who says, I don't find that funny. 718 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.719 I don't find that funny at all. That's Vince, that's 719 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.199 Vince Seniors. Yeah, I don't find that funny. I don't 720 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:40.119 find that funny at all. 721 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:42.280 So if you need to picture it in your mind's eye, 722 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.880 get your copy of Jaws out damn straight. So that's 723 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:48.760 let's put it that this way, boss. That's some of 724 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:51.559 the gamesmanship that Jerry Lawler and Jerry Jarrett too were 725 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:55.719 willing to engage in back then. Totally fine. Ask for forgiveness, 726 00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.320 not permission, right, That's that's the name of the game. 727 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.679 So that is the pattern of behavior that huh yes, 728 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.719 our subject, Hulk Hogan Terry Bullet is walking into and 729 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.480 just to revisit and sort of reset what it was 730 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.840 like in those earliest days of figuring out how Hulk 731 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:16.760 and Ed were going to make their way to Memphis 732 00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.039 and the interaction with Jerry Lawler. We're going to reset here, boss, 733 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:21.880 if you can convey to the solar system from the 734 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:25.239 Hulkster second book, kind of how it all worked out 735 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:26.679 to get to get those two up there. 736 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:33.480 Yes, indeed, Yeah, So Brutus and I drove up to 737 00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:37.800 Memphis for this one night to Russell as the Boulder Brothers, 738 00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.239 and we put on a hell of a show. I 739 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.079 know because Jared and Lawler pulled me aside immediately after 740 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.199 the match and said, Terry, you know we want you 741 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:48.159 to come work here. The offer game at the perfect 742 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.079 moment because just as we were rolling into Memphis, the 743 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.039 motor Bleue and that gold van. It's about the car, 744 00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.119 that's right, exactly right. Not only was that van our home, 745 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.159 but it was also the only transportation we had to 746 00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.760 get to wrestling gigs. Now, no one flew in those days. 747 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:10.559 No one knew what an airplane was, no one, and 748 00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.239 the matches were all over the place. You in the 749 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.760 Memphis territory. You know, it would be a two hundred 750 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.719 mile drop the Nashville one night, then two hundred and 751 00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:21.440 fifty miles, so two Polo of Mississippi the next followed, 752 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:25.239 but followed, but followed by Evansville, Indiana, nine hours away. 753 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:28.199 You know, the venues were never lined up in a row, 754 00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.960 uh to make it easy, and nobody planned like that, 755 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.400 so you were literally all over the map. Imagine if 756 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.199 the van had broken down while we were broke and 757 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:41.400 living in the beat at the beach, what we had done. Oh, 758 00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:44.760 I don't know, sell steroids. I don't know, I don't know, 759 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.320 I don't know, got a job maybe? Yeah, I know. 760 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:51.519 These guys are like, if they can't find a way 761 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.400 to get checks for being ripped, they are fucked right. 762 00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:58.159 Exactly as soon as we rolled into Memphis, Jared took 763 00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.320 me straight out and bought me a big Lincoln Continental 764 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:08.239 as well as eight whoppers. I'll pay you. I'd pay 765 00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:10.079 him back for it, but he was more than happy 766 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.079 to front me the money. He treated me like one 767 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.800 of his own right away. And since he was paying 768 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.119 me eight hundred dollars a week, you know I didn't 769 00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:19.639 need a fan of sleeping anymore. 770 00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:20.039 Brother. 771 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:26.760 I only didn't know he had, because that's not really like, 772 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.199 that's not really an emphatic line that calls for that, 773 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.719 you know that little extra garnish. 774 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.599 Uh fucking Terrence? 775 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.239 Now what did he what was he sure to say? 776 00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.559 What did we just say last time on the complete 777 00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:47.480 that he's always keeping a ledger of who he does 778 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:48.199 and doesn't. 779 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:49.159 Owe money too? Yes? 780 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.000 Yes, yes, or to know by the time his second 781 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.719 book came out, Jerry Lawler, as we'll talk about and others, 782 00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.000 have told the story over and over again about how 783 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.400 they fronted Terry Bulay the money to buy that greenling 784 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.119 in Continental and that they never saw the money back. 785 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.320 That's right, and what does Terry make sure to squeeze 786 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:14.079 in somehow into his book? Read the line again? 787 00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:19.800 What the fun was right there? I'd pay him, I'd 788 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.400 pay him back for it, but he was more than 789 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.039 happy to fraught me the money. Dude, I'd pay him 790 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.280 back for it before him Go ahead and assume I 791 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.559 did not. That's a postures, right, I just think I 792 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.559 had I did, and flying I did pay him back. 793 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:36.880 I mean that's that those are his books, just a 794 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:44.039 complete comprehensive So yeah, it really doesn't necessarily mean that 795 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:48.199 he did. It also mean, I would you know i'd 796 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:53.199 pay him back for Yeah, that's yep, yep, that's that's 797 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:57.199 that's very Terry right there. It's like a full compendium 798 00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.239 of him answering every little, single, little thing and one 799 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:01.880 said about him since the last time he wrote a 800 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:04.719 book in a way where he can also kind of 801 00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:06.760 pretend that he's above it all and didn't hear any 802 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.960 of that shit. But that's not how he operates. 803 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.719 He gets calls three times a day about what people 804 00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:13.719 said about him in the last twelve hours, you know. 805 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.920 But here's Lawler's take from his book in terms of 806 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.119 first laying eyes on the guy he would help front 807 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:24.599 money to buy that green Lincoln Continental for as soon 808 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.079 as we saw Terry Boulder, who had become Hollywood Holk Cogan, 809 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.599 we knew right away he had tremendous potential. Wait wait 810 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:31.800 he called him Hollywood Hulk Cogan. Yeah, because by the 811 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.159 time Terry Lawler's book came out, Hulk was back in 812 00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:35.639 ww's Hollywood hold Cogan. 813 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.880 Oh, for God's sakes, we knew right away. 814 00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:41.880 So annoying, I know, I know, it's annoying that, like, 815 00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.760 we can't just buy for Kate the Hollywood era to 816 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:46.000 just w CW Right. 817 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.079 Right, we have to kind of or that we have 818 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:51.599 to even like include it in general, Like why can 819 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.079 we just fucking call it, call him Hulk Hogan doesn't 820 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.840 need to be Hollywood Hogan. Ever, that's not what we're 821 00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:00.320 going it has right now, pal oh, you know where 822 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:07.239 it's all about branding, brand brand integration, brand design, not 823 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:11.480 in tradition of the brand design. You know. 824 00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:15.159 It's like we have a we have a prerogative right now, 825 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:19.280 a branding prerogative that trump's all from a house style perspective. 826 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:24.480 We believe in the brandalization of certain uh you know, 827 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:26.239 certain properties. 828 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.480 Right, you know, as if I'm gonna go along and 829 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.320 be like, I know what you mean, you know certain properties? 830 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:32.159 Yes, thank you. 831 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:34.320 He's talking about a book. When he says that, by 832 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:36.119 the way, you. 833 00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.079 Can't just say he also said brandalization. 834 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:40.960 By the way, Yeah, I love how it gave him 835 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:44.119 a pass on that this goes in one air at 836 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:44.400 the other. 837 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:49.719 But this is Lawler's story. 838 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.079 This is not uh, this is very much in contrast 839 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.199 to Jimmy Hart's story that we conveyed last time on 840 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.880 the Complete Hope. Oh boy, yes, it was immediately we're 841 00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.440 according to Jimmy Hart. Jerry Lawder was immediately dismissive of 842 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.400 Hulk Cocain's future in the business and just thought he, 843 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:04.360 of course he was had no star power. As soon 844 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:06.719 as we saw Terry Bolea, a boulder who had become 845 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.199 Hollywood Houlkogan, we knew right away he had tremendous potential. 846 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:11.119 He had a great look with the blonde hair. We 847 00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:13.239 made the first video of the Hulk. Michael Saint John 848 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.079 was the voice. It started at his feet and we 849 00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.599 went up his body, legs like tree trunks. He'd wrestled 850 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:19.440 as the Super Destroyer in Florida and then he came 851 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:23.239 to Memphis. See everyone skips Alabama, man, yep, they do. 852 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:27.039 It does not exist. And being involved from the promotional 853 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.239 side like he was, There's no way Jerry Lawler didn't 854 00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.320 know that this guy was working in Alabama before he 855 00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:33.719 came to him. There's no way that he was blind 856 00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:43.000 to that fact. You brother, what, I'm Alabama right, such 857 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.880 a memory hole. The Bama thing is so weird. It 858 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.679 is weird because everyone's story that you read as we go, 859 00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.800 every single person sticks to the program of pretending Alabama 860 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.599 basically didn't happen. Or if you acknowledge it, you certainly 861 00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.880 don't acknowledge that he wrestled Andrea and Hardy race there 862 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.599 or that he basically discovered what was money about him 863 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.079 in his first three months in the business. In the territory. 864 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.800 The problem was, Lala rights. He brought this other guy 865 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.360 with him called Dizzy. They didn't call him or Dizzy 866 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.800 at all. I mean they did later, but we just 867 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.480 watched the Lynce Russell introduction of the guy. It's Ed Boulder, 868 00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:19.679 super di is super Diz? 869 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:21.760 What is the is? That's the question. 870 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:26.679 Well, my brother was supposedly his brother. He was really brutish, 871 00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.719 beefcake or read Leslie, whichever you prefer. He was awful 872 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:34.199 at the time, Lala writes, at the time, yes, come on, 873 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:35.000 rep getting it. 874 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.039 Jerry Jarrett he's talking about. Couldn't stand him. He was 875 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:38.480 so bad. 876 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.360 Terry had no money. Jerry Jarrett and I co signed 877 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.320 on a car for him. He'd been there a few 878 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.800 months and he left mainly because we wouldn't use the 879 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.519 other guy. He went to Vince Senior, who wouldn't use 880 00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:50.239 the other guy either, so that doesn't make any sense, 881 00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:52.800 and worked with Andre the Giant as a heel. It 882 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.440 was then that he became the Hulk, and the rest 883 00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.079 is Hulkamanium. 884 00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.679 Wait when did he become a Hulk when. 885 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:05.960 He went to uh, you were calling him, okay, the 886 00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:06.840 Hulk the whole time? 887 00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.320 All right, all right, I mean it's fine. Maybe maybe 888 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:11.719 maybe just the Hulk can use didn't understand that the 889 00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:13.639 incredible Hulk is a different thing. I think we're all 890 00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.320 just confused. Is really what it exactly? That's exactly what 891 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:17.599 it is. It's our fault. 892 00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:19.599 It was then that he became the Hulk, and the 893 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:21.760 rest is hul Comania. Come to think of it, I 894 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.719 don't know if Hogan ever paid us back for the car, 895 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:29.679 I'd pay him back. Dude. What does Brutus have to 896 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.719 say about automobile relating parts of this God the journey? 897 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.800 This is Oh my god, I'm speaking to Hannibal not 898 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.280 too long ago about you know, living in the van 899 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.360 in Pensacola and food sure and food sure food food 900 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:46.199 is important and eating in the van. Guess where they do? 901 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.440 You know, without the van raft mac and cheese at 902 00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:50.480 Hulks driving only can Continental. They don't have the van 903 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.480 anymore to live in. Where do you think they ended 904 00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:57.440 up living. You you take your bets, put your put 905 00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.760 your steaks on the table, and we're about to find 906 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.719 out just steaks and potatoes on the table. 907 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:02.079 Time. 908 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:05.880 Pitts Cold. We had a van custom man and we 909 00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.599 picked up from the bar on our Florida. It was 910 00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:11.480 a nice custom man. And basically that's where we lived 911 00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:12.719 in Pitt's Cold. 912 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:17.480 We lived in our van, basically made enough money, moved 913 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:19.360 to buy gas and eat. 914 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.639 And buddy, let me tell you, we ate a lot. 915 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.639 Five pounds, you know, we were. 916 00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.960 Both of us were venge in excess of four fifty 917 00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:33.360 squat and five hundred. 918 00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:35.800 We took two and a quarter military presses. 919 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:40.440 Seated pretty strong couple of young lads there, and we 920 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:41.800 you know, we ate a lot. 921 00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:43.440 And we went. 922 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:48.840 To Memphis for they did Jarrett's for Jerry Jarrett. 923 00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:52.079 And then that's that's when they began to uh start 924 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.480 calling Terry at Hull. You know, they did shark this 925 00:48:54.559 --> 00:49:00.639 little thank God, a little thanks we started Steve. You know, 926 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:07.400 it's tan giant tearing the whole stuff in. Uh. 927 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:13.199 I think we lived in Nashville. No, No, we didn't 928 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:17.039 live in the guys lived in Nashville. We lived in Memphis. 929 00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.079 And because I remember we were not far from where Elvis, 930 00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:21.719 the Elvis estate was. 931 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.880 We lived in a days in and I'm just a 932 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.559 hotel and maysically with two beds in it. 933 00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.199 And that's that's where we lived. And that was our 934 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.199 that was our house at that time. 935 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:39.480 So can you picture Terry and Ed Boulder living in 936 00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:40.920 a days in in Memphis? 937 00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:45.079 Yes, you kind of can get you I mean yeah, 938 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:46.840 I mean can you imagine the two of them, like 939 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.480 just imagine, you know, thinking about it like this. You know, 940 00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.119 Brutus wakes up one morning in a day's in and he 941 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:59.119 sees what fucking you know Joan Severn saw and U 942 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:05.079 no holes barred, all right, that's what she would witness. 943 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.800 I mean the Continental Breakfast, you know, the oldis punk 944 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:10.760 Meyer Pastry. 945 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:14.400 Like can you just imagine these two buffoons, like like 946 00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:18.400 you know, Hogan in some kind of like tight tight 947 00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:24.519 white white wife beater, you know, Brutus wearing a fucking 948 00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:29.039 and with his stupid feathered seventies hair, you know, and 949 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.639 he's he's probably walking down with I imagine I don't 950 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.880 know why, but I imagine brute off, brud of brute off. 951 00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.440 I don't want brutal fucking what the fuck that is? 952 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:41.280 But brutus is is is uh got like a like 953 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:44.400 a white denim shirt, but it's the sleeves are cut off. 954 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:49.039 I don't know why, but that's what I picture. I 955 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.559 bet you're him wearing that Hogan wearing wearing wearing the 956 00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:57.320 white wife beater and it's a fucking devouring like pastries. 957 00:50:57.400 --> 00:50:59.880 Assorted pastries. Yeah, yeah, assorted pastries. 958 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.119 The key and peel sketch for the guy like digs 959 00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:09.079 into the breakfast in a hotel. And I can't with 960 00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:10.039 them in a day's in. 961 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:11.639 I can't. I'm in a van. 962 00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:14.679 I can't do this buddy cop movie, this Beavis and 963 00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.119 butt Head and stuff. I just can't get enough of 964 00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:23.599 picturing these two just staying ripped, staying roided, staying like loaded, 965 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:29.559 and just living like like homeless people, like people who 966 00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:30.519 just got out of rehab. 967 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:35.679 Two real life balloons is what they are, okay, And 968 00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:39.239 they're floating towards the sky. Their balloon animals is what 969 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:48.039 they are. No, they are human balloon animals, That's exactly 970 00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:48.960 what they are. 971 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:49.360 They are. 972 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:54.480 They're floating as if pushed across the ocean surface, across 973 00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.079 Memphis and the Pensacola and Dothan, and this is just too. 974 00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.719 Much for me. Man oh Geez is correct. 975 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:03.320 And savor it because it short lived. While they remained 976 00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:05.679 kind of close locked at the hip for years in 977 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.000 wrestling as friends and went to WWF together and all 978 00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:11.400 of that, it really would be quite a while as 979 00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:13.639 far as I can tell from where we stand now 980 00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:17.159 in the research, that they would really run together again. 981 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.760 You know, this is like, these are the foundational moments 982 00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.239 why these two are always associated together. But very soon 983 00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:25.880 Terry's going to really break out on his own, and 984 00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.199 ed would go and wrestle in a ton of territories 985 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.239 and achieve a fair degree of success on his own, 986 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.360 not as the brother of Hulk Cogan, or at least 987 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:34.840 not wrestling as the brother of Terry Boulder for the 988 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.440 territory right, he would go elsewhere Texas and others. There's 989 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.760 clips of like Eddie Boulder being referred to on television 990 00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.360 as the brother of the big wrestler you know of 991 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.840 as Hulk Hogan. But Hulk Hogan isn't in the same territory. 992 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:49.920 Ed Boulder isn't at the same time, yet they're still 993 00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.639 making reference to him to kind of boost the stature 994 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:56.480 of Ed Boulder, and that fork in the road is 995 00:52:56.480 --> 00:53:00.159 coming right very soon, pretty much right after Memphis. So 996 00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:02.400 we need to enjoy it while we can. We need 997 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.360 to enjoy him saying things like this while we can. 998 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:09.519 I don't doubt it. I mean, he got into detail 999 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:11.599 about what they ate in Alabama with the wild Samoans 1000 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:14.960 at the fucking the all you could Eat. So let's 1001 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:17.079 turn to his book again, Bruce Beefcake's book with Kenny 1002 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:21.239 cass Nova high recommendation. Here were the beneficiaries of him 1003 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:25.079 getting into all these colorful stories from his earliest days 1004 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:28.280 running the roads with Terry Boulder. So Boss, please get 1005 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:30.159 us oriented in terms of what Brutus wants us to 1006 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.519 know about living in Memphis and riding and mephis Oh 1007 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:34.519 God Almighty. 1008 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:45.199 All right, here we go. From July to September of 1009 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.239 nineteen seventy nine, I wrestled in the famous Memphis territory. 1010 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:51.760 The Bolder Brothers were not signed to any type of 1011 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.760 contract with a non competitive clause you might see today. 1012 00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.559 Back then, guys move pretty freely from territory to territory. 1013 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.000 Keeping faces fresh was all part of the business. So 1014 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:06.840 we took a match wrestling. We took a match wrestling 1015 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:11.480 a one off show for Continental Wrestling Association CWA in 1016 00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:15.440 Memphis for Jerry Jarrett. Memphis was a huge wrestling town 1017 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.320 and the fans had done their homework. They all knew 1018 00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:21.119 who we were, and we got a huge response from 1019 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:23.639 the What do they do for homework? Just fucking watch television? 1020 00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:27.519 How would they do any homework on these guys? That 1021 00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:29.239 makes no sense at all. I mean, first of all, 1022 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.199 he hadn't wrestled with Terry. I think we've established this 1023 00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:34.599 in Southeastern at all. It was only available at a 1024 00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.960 handful of television markets. What Hulk was doing down in Alabama. 1025 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:40.920 There might be some parts of the Memphis Nashville territory 1026 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:44.960 that overlapped with where Ron Fuller's television reached, but not much. 1027 00:54:46.519 --> 00:55:00.039 It's very, very, very bizarre. Do their homework, motherfuckers? We 1028 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:01.639 all knw who we were. We got a huge response 1029 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.360 from the crowd. This promotion was a major NWA territory 1030 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.719 during the nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties that operated 1031 00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:11.559 out of Tennessee and Kentucky. Working for them and getting 1032 00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.079 a great response was huge for us. The promoter was impressed. 1033 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.920 He approached us after our last night and offered us 1034 00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:20.960 a job in Memphis for eight hundred dollars a week. 1035 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.239 We didn't even need to talk about it. The offer 1036 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.880 was far more than the one hundred and seventy five 1037 00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.400 dollars a week that we were making for to Let 1038 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:33.280 and the Fullers. We could quickly accepted the offer and 1039 00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:38.280 left Pensacola. Things changed immediately. We could now actually afford 1040 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:41.000 to stay in hotel rooms. When we got to Memphis, 1041 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.679 the first thing we did was sell the Anchor van 1042 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.239 and buy a new buy a new long Green Hey, 1043 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:51.880 he mean, Jean's happy with long Green Lincoln in anticipation 1044 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.519 for the of the extra money we would be earning. 1045 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:57.440 A mention of the money being fronted, not at all. 1046 00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.400 And by the way, the mention of the apartment that 1047 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.000 Charlie play said they lived in Pensacola, not the van. 1048 00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:04.760 Now we can afford a hotel. So you were renting 1049 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:06.960 a place, dude? What don't you want us to know 1050 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.199 about that place? What don't you want us to know about? 1051 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.960 What was happening in that place? What was moving through 1052 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.239 that place? What are you hiding? Brutus? 1053 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:14.639 Nothing? 1054 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:20.880 Come on? Stop? Is the is the tap stop, m no, listen, 1055 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:24.920 no problems. I'm glad you agreed. Questions. I'm glad you agreed. 1056 00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:30.880 No problems at all. Look listen, if anything we've established wrestling, 1057 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:39.840 you know, wrestlers are just they they Yeah, they displayed 1058 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.800 just normal proper behavior. 1059 00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:43.400 Tell you for guys who lived in a van, they 1060 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:46.440 certainly uh had a mailing address that was well known 1061 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.280 in Cocoa Beach. Mohamma, mama knew exactly how to uh 1062 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:54.320 and that and that. Ain't that a nice way around? 1063 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:55.000 Uh? 1064 00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:57.239 And I'm going away afield here. This is just me 1065 00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.440 having funds. Isn't me trying to indicate that I know something? 1066 00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:03.840 But isn't it a great way to get around allegations 1067 00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.000 that you were pushing shit through the mail if you 1068 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.920 don't even have a mailing address? 1069 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:09.239 Uh? 1070 00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.960 Yeah, I'm saying, just saying. I mean, it's all. 1071 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.360 Lived, no wonder. They always lived in hotels and shit, exactly, 1072 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:24.360 they don't have homes. For this reason, it was a 1073 00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:28.559 would be earning. We would travel around it for several 1074 00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.360 more years to go. It was a status symbol. After 1075 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.559 a month or so, waiting to officially debut us to 1076 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:36.679 the roster as full time members in the locker room. 1077 00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.159 They decided to start me out first. I was still 1078 00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.519 pretty green, but found myself in a high profile match 1079 00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:45.239 at the mid South Colisseum. I walked out and couldn't 1080 00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:48.119 believe my eyes. I was in a Memphis ring. It 1081 00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:50.679 was the biggest match for me, exposure wise, that I 1082 00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:54.599 had seen to date. The Memphis shows aired everywhere, they 1083 00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:59.360 got massive press, and they were in the NWA. They 1084 00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.320 put me in the ring as Eddie Boulder in a 1085 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:04.880 tag team bout, but not with my brother Terry. No, 1086 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:11.119 not yet. I was tagging with another guy named Dallas Montgomery. 1087 00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:15.280 My first appearance on the Championship Wrestling show was against 1088 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:18.079 Ron Bass with his lackey Pete Austin and with their 1089 00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:21.199 manager Danny Davis. The idea is that I would be 1090 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:25.159 the catalyst to start a feud with Ron and Terry. Immediately, 1091 00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:29.159 Bass started targeting me. When I turned my back, he 1092 00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:33.480 attacked me before the bell. Referee Jerry Calhoun started the bout, 1093 00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:35.119 but the fans knew it was too late for me. 1094 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.960 I didn't know how to quote get color yet, but 1095 00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:40.719 it was going to happen. Some wrestlers back then taped 1096 00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:42.800 a small blade to the side of their finger and 1097 00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:46.519 with a protective flap over it. When the right moment came, 1098 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:49.960 they would flip it back and cut a small incision 1099 00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:54.079 in their hairline before the match. Again normal behavior. Before 1100 00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:55.960 the match, they would take a bunch of asperin to 1101 00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:59.360 thin their blood and get their heart pumping. This would 1102 00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:02.840 make a guy. I can't it's just the amount of 1103 00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:07.599 like the way you how out of the way you 1104 00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:09.960 go to make yourself bleed better. 1105 00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:11.760 So that everyone in the crowd can say it's a 1106 00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:13.000 blood capsule or catch it. 1107 00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:18.920 Right right exactly. This would make a guy bleed like 1108 00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:22.880 a stuck pig. Other guys didn't like to didn't like 1109 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.519 to tape the blade to their fingers. They would hide it. 1110 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:29.559 They would either hide the blade under the ring someplace, 1111 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:31.679 or have the referee pass it off to them at 1112 00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:34.760 an opportune moment during the match. Getting color was really 1113 00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:36.880 an art for him, and one I hadn't yet mastered. 1114 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:43.199 So Ron said he would help me out. The big 1115 00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:47.199 cowboy Ron Bass jumped me from behind and started stopping 1116 00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:51.559 a Texas mud hole in my bag. What time is it? 1117 00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:57.199 I was green, and honestly I was scared to death. 1118 00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:03.280 Here comes kids, he said. He nicked me a little 1119 01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.239 high on my forehead, and I barely felt anything. I 1120 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.199 thought it was gonna hurt far worse than it did, 1121 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.400 but it was a little bit of nothing. How trumendous 1122 01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:16.199 is that? Here it comes, kid, Yep, here comes kid. 1123 01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:24.800 Let's go the way of the blade. But then, yeah, 1124 01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:26.800 I thought it was gonna hurt far worse than it did. 1125 01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:29.920 But it was a little bit of nothing. But then 1126 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:34.719 the blood started to come. Right, he got me too deep. 1127 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:37.840 It's time to draw some really, there was so much 1128 01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:40.199 blood that he must have poked right through a vein 1129 01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:43.239 in my head. This was TV with the big guys. 1130 01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:45.280 I couldn't just run out and cry for a band 1131 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:50.360 aid to put over my boo boo. Tremendous. Such a 1132 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:53.039 child like, it's funny, it's lurious. He's talking about not 1133 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.440 being a child, but he sounds like a child to say. 1134 01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:58.000 That if he did, if he did seek attention, it 1135 01:00:58.039 --> 01:00:59.840 would be like a child seeking a. 1136 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.880 No I know, but but but in describing this, he 1137 01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:07.360 sounds like a child. You know, my first Memphis match 1138 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.599 had to look had to look good, and that's just 1139 01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:11.360 what I was going to do. Even if I had 1140 01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.960 to die. In the process, I made bass like he 1141 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.000 was murdering me, and I sold it like I was dying. 1142 01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.719 My heart was racing, blood was squirting out everywhere. My 1143 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:23.480 long bleach blonde hair was the perfect white canvas to 1144 01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:27.480 compliment all the red. It was spraying out like a hose. 1145 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.000 There was a puddle forming in the ring. There was 1146 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:33.400 so much juice in that that the place actually started 1147 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:43.280 to smell so fucking gross. Ah, it was so nasty 1148 01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.719 that it looked like someone had cut a deer open. 1149 01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:48.920 I get it. You were bleeding pretty heartily, like He's 1150 01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:51.800 been a whole fucking paragraph talking about how badly you 1151 01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:54.480 were bleeding, Like I got it the first time. At 1152 01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:57.199 the end of the match, the director had had to 1153 01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.199 back the cameras off me because I was such a 1154 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.760 bloody mess. Back to the locker room, everyone congratulate to me. 1155 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.440 At the curtains, I posed for some horror pictures for 1156 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.119 their programs and some magazines. Then I headed off to 1157 01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:11.000 the showers. Under the water. I watched all that goofy 1158 01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.440 blood drip drip down the drain, just like the movies, 1159 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.239 Just like the movie Psycho. I still had to had 1160 01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:19.119 to have a medic put a couple of stitches in 1161 01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:21.000 and Butterfly bandaged me up. 1162 01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:28.599 Jesus Christ disgusting. Yes, So, how's old cowboy Ron Bass, 1163 01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:30.159 a veteran of the business at this point in times, 1164 01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:34.360 going out working with these new whipper snappers. Fortunately, he 1165 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.320 did a shoot interview with high Spots where he got 1166 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:41.159 into it, and it turns out that they actually hit 1167 01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:44.079 it off a bit Ron Bass and the Boulders so 1168 01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:47.360 much so that as he's about to explain, Terry got 1169 01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:49.639 to making a bit of fun out of a dog 1170 01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:52.519 that Ron Bass had. Was so small, it was so diminutive, 1171 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:56.960 it was so tiny, and Ron Bass resolved to get 1172 01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:59.800 Terry Boulder back at some point for poking fun. And 1173 01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:02.960 you better believe the Lincoln Continental was what paid the price. 1174 01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:03.920 Here's Ron Bass. 1175 01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:09.639 Uh, Hogan was was just getting started the business at 1176 01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:11.639 He's a big old strapping boy. He was going as 1177 01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.159 Eddie Bowler. I mean he was going as Terry Bowler 1178 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:17.159 and Beef Kate was going as Eddie Bowler. And they 1179 01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:20.000 were there in Tennessee, and uh we were. 1180 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:20.880 I was pretty hot there. 1181 01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:23.119 I was there champion, and of course they wanted to 1182 01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:25.840 put Hogan in make some money with him and and 1183 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:28.239 Hogan and I hit it off pretty good. I mean 1184 01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.280 we both liked to train. We loved it like both 1185 01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.400 like to do different things. And and uh, he'd always 1186 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.639 tease me. I tease him, and uh, howed got started. 1187 01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:38.800 He knew that I had had this one little dog 1188 01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.079 I was just fond of. Her name was Toutsy, and 1189 01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:42.639 he used to make fun of me and my dog. 1190 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:45.880 So we were in Jonesboro, Arkansas. We had a big 1191 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:48.360 show one night. My son, my oldest son, was with me, 1192 01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:52.360 and I saw Terry and Eddie leaving a fast food 1193 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:55.079 place and Terry just bought him a brand new Lincoln. 1194 01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:58.639 So I'm just kind of laying back and well, let 1195 01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:00.960 him come out back on the street and I come in. 1196 01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:04.159 I got a big link in myself and I Randy Buddy. 1197 01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:05.119 I hate him pretty good. 1198 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:05.480 Boy. 1199 01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:08.159 He hit the brakes and he jumped, throw that thing 1200 01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:09.679 up and part he comes out of there. 1201 01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:10.760 He's man, he. 1202 01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:12.639 Kinds walking by there, and I throw a big three 1203 01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:14.079 fifty seven if the window. 1204 01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:14.480 Right his face. 1205 01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:16.920 The boy he started backing that and then saw that 1206 01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:18.880 it was He said, oh, you son of a bitch. 1207 01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:21.280 He's cost me all this life. He goes and gets 1208 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:21.920 back in his car. 1209 01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:24.440 He says that his hammer, he gets all over his seat, 1210 01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:25.519 and I got him back. 1211 01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:27.239 Let's put it that way. It was a good thing. 1212 01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:28.119 I remember that one. 1213 01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:29.079 Yes, that was a good one. 1214 01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:33.800 So he got back in this link green linking Continental 1215 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:37.480 and sat on his burger. Of course, I mean, is 1216 01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:41.199 it why is there always a burger within arm's reach 1217 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:45.559 of Terry Bulloy every story? 1218 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:48.760 I mean it's kind of ironic because you know, everyone 1219 01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:53.000 calls Lawler the burger King. No Winter Lawler felt like 1220 01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.920 he was a threat. Yeah right, he. 1221 01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:59.480 Had triple the fucking burger king crown collection that Jerry 1222 01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:01.400 Lawler had after just like two weeks. 1223 01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:02.039 In the territory. 1224 01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:10.800 I mean, so many waters, so many burgers, so many 1225 01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:15.920 Yet then pull it up to a drive through man 1226 01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:19.360 and that Continental in Memphis and seventy nine looking like they. 1227 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:23.800 Look yes, yes, Eddie, What do you want? Brother? Dude? 1228 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:26.760 They have strawberry shake. What are you feeling, brother? What 1229 01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:27.239 are you feeling? 1230 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:27.480 Brother? 1231 01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:34.400 Yeah, I mean I don't think I'm gonna be able 1232 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:43.800 to go to a double burger, brother. What are you feeling, dude? 1233 01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:47.320 Burger fries? Brother? Won't you want double burger? Dude, huh, 1234 01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.960 what are you feeling when she's in the burger double cheese? 1235 01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:54.559 I pictured Terry driving and like ed like leaning over 1236 01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:59.440 to shout through the driver's window into the drive through microphone. 1237 01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:09.440 Doble like fucking uh, fucking Casey fucking Goodwill hunting. Yeah, exactly, 1238 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:18.079 that's exactly what I'm thinking of, have a broger double burger. 1239 01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:26.360 I mean, I don't know, it's all fun games, but 1240 01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:28.480 I don't think it's that funny if you fucking t 1241 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:30.639 bone me in my new car, you know what I mean? 1242 01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:33.960 Because I made fun of your dog, Like, seriously, what 1243 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:38.679 the fuck? So apparently clown, what an absolute clown their 1244 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:40.960 whole game plan of not being ribbed anymore because they 1245 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:43.039 ran together as brothers and if you fucked with one, 1246 01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.440 you had to fuck with another. Apparently Ron Bass didn't 1247 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:45.960 get the memo. 1248 01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:48.079 That's not surprising. 1249 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.440 The guy who carves up Eddie Boulder not only to 1250 01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:54.280 get Hulk started as Terry Boulder in Memphis, but again, 1251 01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:56.719 as we've talked about doing it years later in the WWF, 1252 01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.400 to get a to get a hot angle going with 1253 01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:00.000 Brutus Beef. 1254 01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.119 So it does beg the question. 1255 01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:07.039 Having shared the ring as we've already talked about here 1256 01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:09.960 in the Complete Hulk Cogan with Terry Bolea in Memphis 1257 01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:13.440 and his early formative years of in days rather of 1258 01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:17.199 nineteen seventy nine. Did Ron Bass see a superstar in 1259 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:17.880 Hulk Cogan? 1260 01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:18.840 Probably? 1261 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:22.320 So, I mean again with Hulk Coogan, I mean did 1262 01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:24.679 you at the time, I mean, did you see it? 1263 01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:27.360 I had no idea what what star Hulk was gonna be? 1264 01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.480 Okay, so I mean he didn't anything. 1265 01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:31.920 Yeah, I saw potential. 1266 01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:33.199 Of course, he got out. 1267 01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:35.239 You know, he was, let's face it, he was the 1268 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:37.840 first big, big, good cut up man in the sport. 1269 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:41.800 But to charisma, my first mini I didn't see and 1270 01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:43.639 he developed that. 1271 01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:45.079 And I'm gonna tell something. 1272 01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:45.840 You'll never hear me. 1273 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:48.639 He ever say a bad word about Hug Kogan the time. Men, 1274 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:53.000 I've been around superstars that you couldn't stand, and Hug 1275 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:57.000 him by passed him all, and he stayed. He remembered 1276 01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:59.840 who he was, and he remembered the little people. He 1277 01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:01.760 there in the big people, and he treated him all right. 1278 01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:05.400 And to me, that says a lot for a person. 1279 01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:09.000 And I believe Hogan was not straight up as anybody 1280 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:11.480 who ever doubt we have been around or seen, and 1281 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:15.480 I think he deserves everything. He every gout coach. To me, 1282 01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:17.479 he's one of the good guys. I've dealt with some 1283 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:21.119 of these other primum diyes that he couldn't hold look 1284 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:24.359 candle with what Hogan's done his business and the heck 1285 01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:25.960 with them. But Hogan's a good day. 1286 01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:28.560 Well we have it. We finally have it. 1287 01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:28.880 Boss. 1288 01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:33.399 Somebody who doesn't claim to have seen Superstar and Hulk 1289 01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:34.319 cogin since day one. 1290 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.560 I mean that's great in all, but like, what the 1291 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:42.640 fuck is like sucking them off again? Oh? 1292 01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:45.880 Yes, yeah, I mean that is a street that runs 1293 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:48.479 through anybody who worked with him from eighty four to 1294 01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:52.159 like eighty nine, maybe the ninety ninety one, It's like 1295 01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:55.800 they knew the reason they made enough money to retire 1296 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:58.319 on is because he let them come into the company 1297 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:01.880 and they were on his cards. And the way the 1298 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:05.319 economics worked, percentage of the gate, Hogan's gates were bigger 1299 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:07.600 than anything anybody had ever seen in the business. You 1300 01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:11.319 get a piece of that, to say nothing of merchandising 1301 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:13.840 rights and licensing rights are being on videotapes and stuff 1302 01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:16.079 and something else. Ron Bass talked about in the shoot 1303 01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:18.560 interviews that he did, how he continued getting a royalty 1304 01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.039 stream on stuff like the Saturday Night's Made Event match 1305 01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:22.840 against Brutus beef Cake that he didn't even know was 1306 01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:23.680 being redistributed. 1307 01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.439 But the checks show up. Wow, you know that's it. 1308 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:26.640 Man. 1309 01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:30.000 Anybody who wrote rode that Hogan gravy train, especially guys 1310 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:31.960 like him who had kind of toughed it out and 1311 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.800 lower paying territories for like fifteen years before sure, Sure 1312 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:39.199 Terry Boulder became Hulk Hogan. They all felt that way 1313 01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:41.920 about the guy because he is the reason that they 1314 01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:45.279 afford a house. And shit, it's pretty it's a pretty 1315 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:48.119 important part of the story. At the time, though didn't 1316 01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:49.920 see it. I find it weird, he said, I didn't 1317 01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.760 see any charisma in him, because we just watched all 1318 01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:55.279 the footage that exists of Hulk wrestling in Alps in 1319 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.760 seventy nine. I saw quite a bit of charisma. Yeah, 1320 01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:02.399 I agree, it's a weird statement to make. Honestly, to me, 1321 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:05.239 wasn't this lumbering that you can tell the people are 1322 01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:08.560 with everything he's doing. He's not Billy Robinson in there, 1323 01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:10.920 but he's, you know, from a technical standpoint of course, 1324 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:13.920 not but the one thing he did have in abundance 1325 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.319 was charisma. I'm not saying he wasn't a little awkward, 1326 01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:19.199 but I mean that promo that that he cut with 1327 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:21.479 Lance Russell, it's not the promo of it's not the 1328 01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:23.560 greatest promo of all time or anything like that, but 1329 01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.359 he just he cuts a good promo. It's it's it's 1330 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:29.279 not the kind of promo you get, you know what, 1331 01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:30.720 you know what a promo sounds like from someone who 1332 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:34.079 doesn't have any charisma or or pizzazz. The one that 1333 01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:37.039 Eddie Boulder cut right before him. That's yeah, right. I 1334 01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:40.880 think they're saddling Terry with Eddie's deficiencies in some ways 1335 01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:41.840 because they were so Yeah. 1336 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:43.800 That is strange, isn't it. It really is. 1337 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:46.560 Wrestling podcast. 1338 01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:19.479 And even though at the tail end of this Memphis run, 1339 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.720 Terry was pretty much working by himself solo, cleaved off 1340 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:28.359 from association with ed Boulder, it continues so more now 1341 01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:32.399 from a British Beefcake's book, just more color about the road, 1342 01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:36.000 because you know, we've talked about food, We've talked about 1343 01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:39.119 cars and transportation, We've talked about hotels and things like that, 1344 01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:42.960 and lodging. Yes, but one important lynchpin of Eddie and 1345 01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:44.800 Terry on the Road that we haven't touched on yet 1346 01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:47.800 from a Memphis perspective, is fucking on the road, Oh 1347 01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:49.479 fucking bitches on the road. 1348 01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:57.760 Listen, listen. It's it's the it's the second most important thing. Okay, 1349 01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:01.920 we need to know because you know what there's there's 1350 01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:05.560 there's your stomach hunger, and then there's your cardinal hunger. 1351 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:09.720 And these are the things that need to be discussed, 1352 01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:11.880 and these are the things that need to be that, 1353 01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:13.560 you know, we need to get to the bottom line 1354 01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:14.520 about that got. 1355 01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:17.840 The carnal hunger addressed here. Further from Brutus Beefcake's book 1356 01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:21.479 Cutting and strutting with Kenny Casanova. When we were on 1357 01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:24.479 the road, we would hit different gyms and the guys 1358 01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:30.159 would yell hulk when they saw a center. People everywhere 1359 01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.600 saw that. Terry said that Terry looked like a bigger 1360 01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:36.720 here we go, like a bigger Lou Farigna. I didn't 1361 01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:39.680 we didn't include it. But he goes all into all this, 1362 01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:44.079 all these fables and fantasies about this television appearance, and 1363 01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:45.680 it's ridiculous. 1364 01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:49.399 The new name was perfect. Terry started to get national 1365 01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:52.520 exposure and weightlifting magazines as well as the gym. Did 1366 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.079 he I don't know what he's talking about. I have 1367 01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:59.199 no idea. I think he's thinking about Arnold Schwarzenegger. 1368 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:03.000 I know I've never a bodybuilding article about him before 1369 01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:03.359 he was. 1370 01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:07.840 Not at all, which led to appearances outside of wrestling. 1371 01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:12.239 No guys like Robbie Robinson in California paid quote the 1372 01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:14.479 Hulk to come to work out at his place and 1373 01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:18.560 sign autographs. My cat is no way that happened. My cat, 1374 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:21.039 who owned a big gym in New Haven, Connecticut, also 1375 01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:24.880 paid for an appearance, even though even though the big 1376 01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:28.319 name weightlifters called him that, there was no heat from Lou. 1377 01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.000 Lou loved being able to have had a hand in 1378 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:36.079 Terry's success. God we hung out with him quite a 1379 01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:39.159 bit back in the day, and even today he sees 1380 01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:42.279 me and gets giddy about remembering the good old days, 1381 01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:50.319 back when they were God's. One night, Jerry, that Jerry Jarrett, 1382 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:57.560 did that happen? The loof Rigno thing? No just time, 1383 01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:02.720 No got it? No, No, I mean sounds like war, 1384 01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:06.279 but I got the no out of it one night 1385 01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:10.039 before a big show, not before the big show by 1386 01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:13.000 the way before a big show, A girl started following 1387 01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:15.399 Terry and me around while we were showing, shoping to 1388 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:19.279 kill them. Yeah. She looked a little bit like Daisy 1389 01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:23.079 Duke with short cut off jeans and had that farmer's 1390 01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:27.319 daughter appeal. When you were in the spotline or have any. 1391 01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.880 Bless you, bless you for the voice you're doing much 1392 01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.079 a picture it coming out of brutus Beefcake's face. 1393 01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:41.039 So it's creepy, fucking the giant forehead, all right, and 1394 01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:46.199 just eyes bugging out of your fucking face. It is 1395 01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:50.319 easy to tell when someone is watching you. You developed 1396 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:54.199 a six thins, you feel a hole burning in your 1397 01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:58.039 back from their eyes, even if you haven't spotted them yet. 1398 01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:01.800 Terry and I weren't show opping center somewhere, and this 1399 01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:06.600 same girl was always about fifty feet behind us. I 1400 01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:13.479 started to get that feeling we were being watched fresh 1401 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:15.720 off the for regnant appearance. I figured she wanted to 1402 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:19.319 meet Terry. While Terry was looking at a wrestling magazine 1403 01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:22.600 at a news stand, I turned around and made eye contact. 1404 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:27.680 She smiled, used to playing wigman. I pointed to Terry, 1405 01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:31.159 pointed to Terry, and then pointed at her. She nodded. No. 1406 01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:35.479 Well then she didn't nod. Brutus, you don't nod. No, 1407 01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:39.640 you shake your head. No, you only nod. Yes, that's 1408 01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:45.239 that's just, that's just a thing. Then she pointed at 1409 01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:51.159 herself right, and then she pointed at me. Yep, I'll 1410 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:54.520 see you at this show, she shouted as she disappeared. 1411 01:15:56.279 --> 01:16:02.880 I immediately became aware, who's that? Can you picture it? 1412 01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:02.920 It? 1413 01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:15.159 Can't you not? Yep? Who's that? Dude? Terry asked, distracted 1414 01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:19.399 a moment from his reading. Oh, just some fan. I 1415 01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:21.840 was a single guy. I had come up with some 1416 01:16:22.039 --> 01:16:26.960 extra filthy plans for the farmer's daughter if she was serious. 1417 01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:31.000 I thought about her for the next few hours. I 1418 01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:33.479 finally told Terry on the way over to the show, 1419 01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:39.279 and he laughed. You're probably never even seared, he said. 1420 01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:44.640 Before the show, I looked around for Daisy Duke, where 1421 01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:47.720 the fans hung out. She was nowhere to be found. 1422 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.000 I also looked out from behind the curtain a few 1423 01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:53.159 times to scan the audience, and still no. Diice told 1424 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:55.960 your brother you should have you should have gone her number. 1425 01:16:56.279 --> 01:17:01.119 You might as well just forget it now. And it's 1426 01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:08.000 the ben cut to Terry fucking the you know, the 1427 01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:11.239 crowd was hot. Correct. During the match, I finally spotted 1428 01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:13.920 the girl a few rolls back from ringside. She was 1429 01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:16.840 better looking than I remembered from fucking like two hours ago. 1430 01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:21.720 I waved at her. She pointed at me and then 1431 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:24.760 pointed herself again. Then she had a new gesture to 1432 01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:34.319 the formula, the international symbol for blow job. Correct. I 1433 01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:40.560 became aware once again. But what I don't understand? I 1434 01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:44.359 became aware once again. I nodded at her. Wearing span 1435 01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:47.319 nex was not the best for concealing the way I 1436 01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:56.119 was feeling that very moment. Yeah, bulging member, it's like 1437 01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:04.520 fucking like running down again again. Picture picture brutus beefcake 1438 01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.760 all right, you know and his fucking at bolder days 1439 01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:11.000 and hispanics, Yeah, you know, with a fucking raging herd 1440 01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:18.680 on standing on the fucking ring aprinten the complete hell coken. Indeed, 1441 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:22.720 you know that stupid smile that he has in that 1442 01:18:22.840 --> 01:18:36.439 in that time? Uh? Where the was I here? Oh? 1443 01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:39.399 I conveyed her to meet me after the match. I 1444 01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:41.920 had to look away from her after that and immediately 1445 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:47.399 think of baseball. After the match, she met me over 1446 01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:50.159 by mill over by the curtain near the locker room entrance. 1447 01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:55.079 Wait a second, I told her Darty was off talking 1448 01:18:55.079 --> 01:18:57.159 with someone, so I grabbed the keys at the lincoln 1449 01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:00.279 I might back up with the daisy girl. I went 1450 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:04.600 to speak again, and she shook her head no and 1451 01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:08.039 put her fingers over her lips to indicate her rules. 1452 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:11.600 I don't understand what that means. Her fingers over her 1453 01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:15.079 lips to her rules, I usally mean shut up. I 1454 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:22.800 don't know. I guess, oh, I see, but two fingers. 1455 01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:24.720 Put her fingers over her lips to indicate her rules. 1456 01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:30.399 No speaking aloud, Kinky. We stuck out the back to 1457 01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:32.640 the lot with no words. I backed the big green 1458 01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:36.159 pill up to the furthest darkest part of the lot 1459 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:40.680 makeout session. The only thing you could hear in the 1460 01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:44.600 car was the smacking of lips. My window was open 1461 01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:48.720 because the arena was more like a huge because of 1462 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:50.840 their arena was more like a huge pavilion. I could 1463 01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:53.840 still hear all the body slams and the reaction of 1464 01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:57.399 the crowd coming through the openings around the entire structure. 1465 01:19:57.800 --> 01:19:59.600 Then we can make out. But I got to keep 1466 01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:04.720 the windows old so I can hear the matches off well, God, 1467 01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:13.560 so the opening is around the entire there was a 1468 01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:16.760 little rustling sound from the spandex, and then the country 1469 01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:20.319 girl started to go to town. I couldn't believe it. 1470 01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:23.399 Everything was perfect. I felt a little bit bad, though, 1471 01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:27.560 because I was all sweaty. I just finished wrestling, and 1472 01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:29.920 it is possible I didn't smell the best. So I 1473 01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:34.800 felt a little bad, but not that bad. Trying to 1474 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:37.600 be impressive, I was holding out thinking about baseball again. 1475 01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:40.079 Then all of a sudden, I heard the announcer began 1476 01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:47.439 to announce the next match and coming to the ring 1477 01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:52.279 from Tampa, Florida, weighing at a total combined weight of 1478 01:20:52.399 --> 01:20:56.359 five hundred and thirty five pounds. Here are Eddie and Terry, 1479 01:20:56.920 --> 01:21:00.239 the Bolder brothers. Where is hedude? 1480 01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:01.880 Brother? 1481 01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:02.159 Was? 1482 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.479 Dude? Where's Eddy brother? Terry? Do you know where Eddie is? 1483 01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:11.960 Eddie Boulder? Did what he says? Eddie Boulder? 1484 01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:12.239 Dude? 1485 01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:14.159 It's like, what did you say his name? Like that? 1486 01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:19.359 What was that? I didn't say his name, brother? You 1487 01:21:19.439 --> 01:21:22.319 just said his name, dude. I'm just wondering. I'm just 1488 01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:26.039 sitting here. What where is he? Brother? Did he Where's who? 1489 01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:39.239 Calgary? 1490 01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:40.439 Oh? 1491 01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:48.319 God, fucking dumb so colgar it. 1492 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:53.399 Oh fuck, he's freaking out that Edie's to be found, 1493 01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:56.000 freaking out that they're like they've somehow taken him out 1494 01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:59.760 and they're gonna like plug another opponent in and double cross. 1495 01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:04.880 In the exactly. I sat up in my seat. Wait 1496 01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:10.920 a minute, what, brother, I'm possible I'm positively called my 1497 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:13.960 name again. Doesn't make any sense. I just I just wrestled. 1498 01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:16.680 Why are they calling me out again? Then it hit me, 1499 01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:21.279 I didn't actually wrestle before. I was just sweaty from 1500 01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:28.520 nothing great story. Then it hit me. About a month ago, 1501 01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:31.279 the same thing happened. When the show was going to 1502 01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:33.880 end early. A few of the guys had to wrestle 1503 01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:37.560 again and stretch to stretch match to stretch things out 1504 01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:40.960 because they said one of the matches finished too quickly. 1505 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:44.960 No more baseball, I needed this match. Talk about finishing quickly. 1506 01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:48.600 I'm brother to hurry up and finish too quickly, he saidn't. 1507 01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:51.439 I thought of every filthy thing I could I could 1508 01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:55.079 I could think of. I went through my raunchy rolodex 1509 01:22:55.159 --> 01:23:01.720 and finally hit her with my finisher. Right then I 1510 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:03.680 gave her a high five and started running back to 1511 01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:06.159 the ring. Pulling up my tights. When I got back 1512 01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:08.359 into the dress room, it was clear that everyone knew 1513 01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:11.520 what had just happened. Terry must have seen me heading 1514 01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:14.119 out to the car with the rizz At. No he 1515 01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:17.880 did not, fucking you didn't add that, he fucking no, 1516 01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:23.560 he wrote, rizz at. Hey, it's life in Memphis, man, 1517 01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:27.920 what do you want? The rat is fine, it's the 1518 01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:31.199 rizz at is what the problem is here? Okay, that's 1519 01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:34.640 just like, don't fucking write that in your book. You 1520 01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:42.560 have fucking dumbass m Yeah, I'll say hello. I think 1521 01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:45.159 she did most of the eton this time. That is 1522 01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:47.279 why they picked up it. It picked us the tag 1523 01:23:47.319 --> 01:23:51.239 team just to rib me Jerry Jarrett and everyone gathering around. 1524 01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:55.479 They roared, laughing, all right, cash for your third match 1525 01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:59.760 of the night. Wow, Wow, one of the boys said, 1526 01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:04.359 up my hair, Now get out there. I rushed down 1527 01:24:04.359 --> 01:24:08.479 the aisle up, a little frazzled. The audience had no 1528 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:11.359 idea why I was late, but it felt as if 1529 01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:13.640 but it felt like they were all in the know 1530 01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:16.880 when they started clamping. When I climbed up to the apron, 1531 01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:20.000 I saw Terry take one look at me and practically 1532 01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:22.279 lose it. He was in the ring getting beat up 1533 01:24:22.279 --> 01:24:30.720 by our opponents. This should have been seen in Young 1534 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:38.439 Rock Christ dramatic absolutely beat up my opponents and taking 1535 01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:41.159 the heat from me, but biting his lip all it's 1536 01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:43.840 all the while not to lose it. He looked at 1537 01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:47.239 me and shook his head laughing. Horrible, he said, as 1538 01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:49.520 he tagged me in. You have lipstick on your face 1539 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:52.600 and everything, dude, And I wiped my cheek off, stepped 1540 01:24:52.600 --> 01:24:57.960 between the ropes and went to work. So good. 1541 01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:02.760 I mean, I completely don't believe that happened, But no, 1542 01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:05.119 I just I love the story. 1543 01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:09.840 Nonetheless, there's nothing better than the fucking like you know. 1544 01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:14.000 Then then then guys having some sort of sexual activity 1545 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:16.000 and then having me forced to go back in the ring. 1546 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.119 All right, that's just that's just gold right there, in 1547 01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:23.920 an absolute goal, like a haste you've never seen before. 1548 01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:28.119 So they visited with many rizats. But if I told 1549 01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:31.920 you the one they they they stepped in on that 1550 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:35.600 they paid call to h during this particular point in 1551 01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:38.239 their lives, I think your eyes might bug out. 1552 01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:38.840 Of your head. 1553 01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:41.520 I want you to read this passage and I want 1554 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:45.159 you to reveal the solar system who was among the 1555 01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:50.600 Ladies of the Evening, Terry and Eddie Boulder encountered in Memphis. 1556 01:25:53.079 --> 01:25:57.199 One night, Oh god, Terry and I met up with 1557 01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:00.800 it's insanetional Sherry. 1558 01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:03.680 Adder to the list strip Joint, add her to the 1559 01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:08.039 list of people who would you know, basically get dividends 1560 01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:11.680 of Hultkgan for the rest of their lives, just justifiably 1561 01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:13.560 so she earned every penny she ever made of the 1562 01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:16.880 wrestling business. What Bash of the Beach ninety four, She's coming. 1563 01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:19.239 She's the whole match with Rick Flair for Christ's sake. 1564 01:26:19.359 --> 01:26:20.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but. 1565 01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:25.479 It started bass all these people that stuck with him, 1566 01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:26.199 the whole thing. 1567 01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:35.920 Mmm, here it is listen, needs, desires, hunger, Yep, the 1568 01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:43.479 whole fucking thing. Okay, here we go. One night, Terry 1569 01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:45.560 and I met up with sensational Sherry at a strip 1570 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:49.640 joined long before she became a wrestling We watched her dance. 1571 01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:53.159 Oh she was a su stripper. She was a stripper. 1572 01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:54.960 I didn't have to think, I ever knew she was 1573 01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:59.520 a stripper. And our eyes were bugging out of our heads. Man, 1574 01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:02.760 she was a really good dancer. Terry and I watched 1575 01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:04.800 her for a long time, and we tipped the hell 1576 01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:07.239 out of her. Later on, she came up to us 1577 01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:11.479 and told us that she knew who we were, right. 1578 01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:13.520 She loved the sport and hit it off with Terry. 1579 01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:17.239 After that, she never really went away. How many people 1580 01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:19.600 know this, but she was really good friends with both 1581 01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:22.760 of us, and I think she kind of considered dating 1582 01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:29.680 Terry for a short time one night. Huh, oh my god, listen, 1583 01:27:29.800 --> 01:27:32.319 I'm sure I'm sure that that's something. That's something. 1584 01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:36.680 There's no chance nodding at least once. Yea, And it was. 1585 01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:39.560 It was a series. It was like a real knockdown, 1586 01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:42.560 drag out affair. It wasn't. 1587 01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:49.319 Think sensational share of screaming, the screaming, the just like 1588 01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:56.239 the violence involved in them on. Now, all right, come 1589 01:27:56.319 --> 01:28:09.560 on so hot, like you know, like I picture I 1590 01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:12.840 picture her getting rammed from behind, right like all right, 1591 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:16.720 she's you know, Terry's got her bent over the bed, 1592 01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:19.119 all right and just going to going to town. But 1593 01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:21.560 she's slapping the bed like she does the mat when 1594 01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:26.800 her guy's losing. You know, she's always slapping the mat. 1595 01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:30.840 That look, that is a tremendous visual and I want 1596 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:33.600 to give it it's just due, but. 1597 01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:36.279 I can't help but notice that you just casually use 1598 01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:43.800 the verb rammed like he didn't even accentuate it at all. 1599 01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:47.439 So he's ramming up from behind the Oh that's a 1600 01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:50.720 key detail. That's a key showing some words there. That's 1601 01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:51.359 a key verb. 1602 01:29:04.079 --> 01:29:19.600 Yeah, m hm. 1603 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:27.439 And I've heard you say this isn't true. But the 1604 01:29:27.479 --> 01:29:31.319 way he tells anythick in his book, I. 1605 01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:33.039 Was trying to find something, you know what I was 1606 01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:33.880 trying to find. 1607 01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:40.800 And he was whipped. 1608 01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:45.560 Foaming at the crock and he was. 1609 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:55.600 Whipped one two and he's which this. 1610 01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:58.760 Is before he got him ready for the shoot. 1611 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:03.640 We a cut snow down. 1612 01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:11.199 That's cool, that's who. 1613 01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:23.760 What we had was a line like sam My should 1614 01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:46.760 Larry let me? Thanks at Dad, you're in dangerous. 1615 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:57.880 Came so let me again? 1616 01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:00.520 Ho you was? 1617 01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:01.960 I was just getting started. 1618 01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:08.720 Say that again, Ron, you can say that again. 1619 01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:17.600 Mon was shooting at a table. 1620 01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:28.520 And he was. 1621 01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:45.680 Went, you motherfuckers, understand what's going on here? And someone 1622 01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:48.159 tell me because I don't it a long time, but 1623 01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:49.600 we have reached. 1624 01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:52.880 Post modernity on the complete Hotel. 1625 01:31:54.680 --> 01:32:07.439 Complete dar dah Dolly. Kafa asked, oh, so what else 1626 01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:09.119 did they find out about Shery. 1627 01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:14.319 After that? She never really went away. How many people 1628 01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:16.039 know this, but she was really good friends with both 1629 01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:18.800 of us, and I think she kind of started one night. 1630 01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:22.720 One night, Terry and I were both sharing the same hotel. 1631 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:25.319 One night, like one night they were sharing the same 1632 01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:29.239 hotel room. I thought, you lived in the hotel over 1633 01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:35.039 your entire fucking life. We got a call and Cherry 1634 01:32:35.079 --> 01:32:36.920 said that she wanted to come over with her friend 1635 01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:41.720 and have some drinks with us. Now, who's going to 1636 01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:45.439 turn down to beautiful men asking if they can come 1637 01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:49.079 over to your room with alcohol in the mix? Right, 1638 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:52.600 we were both singing all the time, so we were 1639 01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:56.039 down with it. The girls came over as planned, and 1640 01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:59.880 they were all dressed to the nines. Chan reintroduced her 1641 01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:03.239 to or introduce me to her friend, who she wasted, 1642 01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:07.119 who she wanted to hook me up with, cold beers 1643 01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:11.199 and hot bodies. About one thing to lead to another. 1644 01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:19.439 Terry was on his side of the room with Sherry, 1645 01:33:20.479 --> 01:33:23.800 and I was with her friend and the other. Now, 1646 01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:28.680 let me be clear, this was by no means about 1647 01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:32.000 to ever turn into a crazy orgy scene or something 1648 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:38.199 in parentheses. Not that I'm opposed to org. I'm just 1649 01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:40.560 not going to engage one, engage in one with my 1650 01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:42.840 good buddy, the Hulkster in the mix. If you catch 1651 01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:54.000 my drift brother, all his words, all his words, wildly 1652 01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:55.039 entertaining stuff. 1653 01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:01.359 I don't want to be a orgy with you? But 1654 01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:04.880 what's this deal with don't want to be involved? 1655 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:05.000 Like? 1656 01:34:05.079 --> 01:34:08.239 That's suspicious? I do, I don't understand. I don't want 1657 01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:09.520 to be nordy with you. Why don't you want to 1658 01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:16.199 be norgy with me? The question, it's a good one. 1659 01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:22.119 My girl was very forward. She practically attacked me. I 1660 01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:25.119 knew that stuff was soon to happen on my side 1661 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:28.479 of the room. I turned the lines out. I remember 1662 01:34:29.199 --> 01:34:31.920 kissing my girl and then hearing what sounded like Sherry 1663 01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:40.680 making ridiculous crazy noises across the room. Now the room 1664 01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:44.159 was big enough and dark enough. Then I couldn't see 1665 01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:48.680 what was yep on Darry's side of the room. I 1666 01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:51.000 don't know if she was taking, if she was faking 1667 01:34:51.079 --> 01:34:53.800 noises to make us laugh, or if what I was 1668 01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:58.399 hearing was legit. But it didn't matter. I am a 1669 01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:04.119 competitive guy, and I wasn't and I wasn't gonna going 1670 01:35:04.159 --> 01:35:09.800 to let Terry outshine me in any athletic event. Cherry 1671 01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:14.199 started breathing hard and making more outlandish noises. So I 1672 01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:16.399 worked my girl and hit her with a couple of 1673 01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:29.079 stiff and hit her with a couple of stiff potatoes. 1674 01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:33.199 What's hitting her now? It's fucking smacking her. 1675 01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:39.279 No, But when Vader hit you with stiff potatoes, it's 1676 01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:40.479 full Idaho spuds. 1677 01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:48.079 You spotted me, Sherry. I mean, when fucking when Vader 1678 01:35:48.119 --> 01:35:52.520 potatoes you, it's it's it's mashed, it's fries, it's fucking 1679 01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:55.479 tater todds, it's the whole fucking thing. He's just every 1680 01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:57.560 kind of potato you can imagine. He's hitting you with it. 1681 01:35:57.720 --> 01:35:59.199 She had a kink, but let me tell you, brother, 1682 01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:00.600 it wasn't for work, bunches. 1683 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:08.000 She knew how to work, so she sold it. Well, 1684 01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:13.039 I don't know what the fuck he's talking about. I mean, 1685 01:36:13.119 --> 01:36:15.359 is he he hit her? Is that what he's saying? 1686 01:36:16.279 --> 01:36:18.319 Is he fucking her? Is it like his way of 1687 01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:19.079 dirty song? 1688 01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:19.359 Here? 1689 01:36:19.479 --> 01:36:23.399 Yes, I think he's implying the Oh my god. Then 1690 01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:25.439 the other side of the room followed suit. It was 1691 01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:29.479 on five minutes later. There were all kinds of moaning, groaning, 1692 01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:33.840 and slapping sounds going on. The cheap bedsprings were working 1693 01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:37.319 over time. It sounded like the Three Stooges, only there 1694 01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:43.399 were four of us in the room. The next morning 1695 01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:47.199 we met up to get breakfast. We looked at each 1696 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:49.199 other and laughed, but we didn't say a word about it. 1697 01:36:49.800 --> 01:36:52.600 We both thought it was weird, and I guess we 1698 01:36:52.720 --> 01:36:59.680 just decided never to do that again. I mean, I 1699 01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:01.479 don't know. You don't know what to say about that story. 1700 01:37:01.720 --> 01:37:08.720 I mean, but needless to say, welcome to the cannon 1701 01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:16.319 sensational Sherry. Yeah, I mean, holy, talk about an auspicious start. 1702 01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:21.319 It's it's it's beat. I don't even know what to say. 1703 01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:24.239 So Brutus moving down the cards. As we illustrated last 1704 01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:26.960 time we were with you in the Complete Hulkgan Terry 1705 01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:29.039 and his second book saying Brutus didn't last very long 1706 01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:31.600 in the Memphis fact territory. I guess in some ways 1707 01:37:31.600 --> 01:37:33.960 there's only room for one big blonde wrestler in any 1708 01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:34.720 given circuit. 1709 01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:38.279 Okay, Okay, it wasn't then. 1710 01:37:38.520 --> 01:37:43.039 Yeah, you weren't a long for the territory either, Terry, Yeah, right, 1711 01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:47.000 But Brutus here in the aforementioned Hannibal Shoot interview, talks 1712 01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:49.239 a little bit about how it all evolved to the 1713 01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:53.119 point that he was being defined down the card and yeah, 1714 01:37:53.199 --> 01:38:03.199 Terry Lawler's name does come up and explaining why. 1715 01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:04.960 Or new young sighting stallions that people were excited. 1716 01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:08.840 Uh, Jerry Lawler was the top guys. 1717 01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:11.439 In there, you know, and he had his fifet brought. 1718 01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:15.600 You know, he was, I guess, I mean in a way, 1719 01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:18.399 probably excited to see the new blood coming in, but 1720 01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:22.560 on the other hand, not want to see these see 1721 01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:23.520 when guys come and. 1722 01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:26.680 Taking his money because you know, he's had his little 1723 01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:29.720 deal there and his his main event. He had his 1724 01:38:29.800 --> 01:38:33.159 deal and he's made you know, guys like us threatened him. 1725 01:38:33.399 --> 01:38:36.319 You know, you think it would be a good thing, 1726 01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:38.039 that it's going to bring us all. 1727 01:38:37.880 --> 01:38:40.479 Up well, going to draw better houses. 1728 01:38:40.199 --> 01:38:42.439 Were all gonna make more money. The guys didn't think 1729 01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:46.760 that way. Anyone to give up betting their money to us. 1730 01:38:46.840 --> 01:38:49.840 So there was there was always something going on there 1731 01:38:49.880 --> 01:38:52.760 they which was Evan Adam, and they took and and 1732 01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:58.199 uh separated, separated us and so. 1733 01:38:58.640 --> 01:39:02.880 We're a tag team matches started making must warp single 1734 01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:06.199 matches and it wasn't long after that and we wounded. 1735 01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:42.680 Up leaving the wrestling podcast. So that's uh, that's brutuses read. 1736 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:46.079 They were cutting in, cutting in on that cozy baby 1737 01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:49.079 face spot, and it started to become a problem. I mean, 1738 01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:53.319 I say, I'm not totally dismissing it, but that is 1739 01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:55.079 the story. With all the territories. You know, you're never 1740 01:39:55.079 --> 01:39:57.560 going to be bigger than the incumbent babyface. 1741 01:39:58.159 --> 01:39:59.880 Sure, you know the van Eric's all the way through. 1742 01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:03.520 And so at a certain point if they catch a 1743 01:40:03.560 --> 01:40:05.319 whiff that the fans are getting into you such that 1744 01:40:05.359 --> 01:40:08.800 they may prefer to see you over the top, earner 1745 01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:13.079 in the top incumbent, and slowly they start nitpicking and 1746 01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:18.079 start finding reasons to define you down. But frankly, we 1747 01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:20.239 watched him in the in the ring, he was so bad, 1748 01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:25.640 ed Boulder, he was actively all bad, actively bad, And 1749 01:40:25.720 --> 01:40:27.079 so I can see how it say what we can 1750 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:28.520 do with this guy. I mean, he just he can 1751 01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:31.520 barely grab a headlock, honestly, front of facelock, and they 1752 01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:33.359 just flails around the ring like he's drunk. 1753 01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:36.199 He might he might actually not know the difference between 1754 01:40:36.199 --> 01:40:37.439 a wristlock and a wristwall. 1755 01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:40.359 And they've inspired the very phrase. Yeah, but it's already 1756 01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:43.600 trouble in Paradise Here for the Boulder brothers. Here's another 1757 01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:47.600 snippet Boss from Beefcakes book about it all coming undone 1758 01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:50.640 before it even really had a chance to coagulate in Memphis. 1759 01:40:52.319 --> 01:40:54.039 After a while in Memphis, we could only go so 1760 01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:57.079 far with the big brother avenging the younger brother storylines. 1761 01:40:57.960 --> 01:40:59.760 I don't know. I think Hogan's pretty good at re 1762 01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:03.199 kling story over and over and over again. And they 1763 01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:05.079 wanted us to split us up in the end. See I 1764 01:41:05.159 --> 01:41:07.960 knew it. They wanted to put Hulk by himself and 1765 01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:10.119 not have me there just to serve as as lackey 1766 01:41:10.199 --> 01:41:13.159 or whatever. Looking back, it would have it would have 1767 01:41:13.159 --> 01:41:15.720 better served him to put him out there as a 1768 01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:22.199 singles competitor. But the problem was we were problems were 1769 01:41:22.239 --> 01:41:25.039 we were traveling around together. We still liked the idea 1770 01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:27.640 of watching each other's backs and pushing each other to 1771 01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:31.039 do better. Terry became Terry became my brother. I mean, 1772 01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:34.239 we did everything together. We trained ate and traveled together, 1773 01:41:34.279 --> 01:41:38.800 and fucked together too. We had become family. Hot off 1774 01:41:38.800 --> 01:41:41.800 the new name Terry the Hulk Boulder and around May, 1775 01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:44.479 around May of nineteen seventy nine, Jim Barnett made good 1776 01:41:44.479 --> 01:41:48.560 with his promise. He gave Terry a great booking for 1777 01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:51.920 a shot against the NWA World Heavyweight Champion, Harley Race. 1778 01:41:52.399 --> 01:41:55.720 This was one of the highest honors in wrestling and 1779 01:41:55.840 --> 01:41:59.279 really increased his stock. Terry ended up winning the Northern 1780 01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:04.000 Division and WA Southeastern Heavyweight Championship, which was recognized in 1781 01:42:04.039 --> 01:42:07.279 Alabama and Tennessee. At the same time, he was working 1782 01:42:07.319 --> 01:42:11.119 for Georgia Championship Wrestling under the name Sterling Golden. We 1783 01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:14.800 wrestled around a bit, but there were the things were 1784 01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:17.359 a little tough and the cash just wasn't coming in. 1785 01:42:17.960 --> 01:42:21.720 Terry decided then again to quit wrestling again for a time, 1786 01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:24.720 bummed out that he wasn't making very much money. Not 1787 01:42:24.840 --> 01:42:27.880 knowing what to do, I suggested we go back to 1788 01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:31.560 the docks in Tampa, where we quote could really make 1789 01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:35.800 some good cash pouring concrete and loading big cargo ships. 1790 01:42:36.279 --> 01:42:40.159 The money was good. We went from making something like 1791 01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:43.319 one hundred and twenty a week wrestling to seven hundred 1792 01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:46.600 or eight hundred dollars. Yes, if you can believe it, 1793 01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:49.520 we're headed back to the docks. I can't believe that 1794 01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:50.960 that's crazy. To the docks. 1795 01:42:51.319 --> 01:42:53.279 As far as Hogan remembers it. In his second book. 1796 01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:55.840 He says Beefcake wound up transferring to Portland, Oregon, where 1797 01:42:55.840 --> 01:42:57.680 he started to become a star in his own right. 1798 01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:00.359 He was fine with the move. Terry Wrights has had 1799 01:43:00.439 --> 01:43:02.680 nomad in his blood or something. He just didn't care 1800 01:43:03.039 --> 01:43:05.439 where he sleeps, and he'd make the best of any situation. 1801 01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:07.359 He's up in Oregon for two weeks and I get 1802 01:43:07.359 --> 01:43:09.000 a call and he's got a girl in bed with him. 1803 01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:11.760 He's having the time of his life. Me not so much. 1804 01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:13.680 Being on the road in the car and in hotels 1805 01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:16.279 all the time. That whole lifestyle was really draining to me. 1806 01:43:16.479 --> 01:43:17.239 I missed having a. 1807 01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:19.079 Friend on the road, and even at eight hundred a week, 1808 01:43:19.079 --> 01:43:20.600 it was starting to feel like I was getting ripped 1809 01:43:20.600 --> 01:43:23.359 off again. The thing is, there's no security in wrestling. 1810 01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:25.640 I always knew that. I didn't think I cared, because 1811 01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:27.359 at least it wasn't one of those regular jobs with 1812 01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:29.039 the period at the end of the sentence. But even 1813 01:43:29.079 --> 01:43:30.640 at the Memphis level, it was much more of a 1814 01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:33.119 fly by night business than I ever imagined. There were 1815 01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:34.840 nights when you'd walk into some building to go to 1816 01:43:34.840 --> 01:43:36.439 work for a promoter and rather than it being a 1817 01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:38.800 smart businessman or maybe a former wrestler who wanted to 1818 01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:40.720 make something of himself. It would just be some guy 1819 01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:44.560 who owns an electrical supply company who happens wrestling. 1820 01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:44.840 On the side. 1821 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:47.560 Wrestling was my life. I wanted to grow my fan base, 1822 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:50.000 sell out bigger arenas, and make more money. I wanted 1823 01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:52.079 to keep moving forward. How could that happen when I 1824 01:43:52.159 --> 01:43:54.479 wasn't in charge of my own destiny, and when the 1825 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:56.159 men who were in charge were treating it like a 1826 01:43:56.199 --> 01:43:58.640 side gig or were too small minded to see anything 1827 01:43:58.680 --> 01:44:01.800 above and beyond they were already doing in whatever tiny 1828 01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:05.039 little territory they considered their domain. I kept obsessing over 1829 01:44:05.079 --> 01:44:08.119 it and complaining, mostly to myself, that things should be better. 1830 01:44:08.199 --> 01:44:09.479 I didn't know how to fix it, though, and I 1831 01:44:09.479 --> 01:44:12.319 didn't really make any effort to take control. I didn't 1832 01:44:12.359 --> 01:44:14.600 know how. Plus it was just so weird to walk 1833 01:44:14.640 --> 01:44:16.720 in every night and know that if you got cut 1834 01:44:16.840 --> 01:44:18.560 or you got hurt, it was up to you to 1835 01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:20.560 go to the doctor. There was no insurance, there was 1836 01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:23.479 no retirement plan, none of the stability that a normal 1837 01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:25.720 job has. There was no structure to it. I started 1838 01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:27.560 to feel like there was nobody there to back me 1839 01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:29.880 up if I ever needed help. To be a wrestler 1840 01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:32.720 meant that everything you had, your future, your health, your sanity, 1841 01:44:32.800 --> 01:44:35.039 all of it was stuffed into this little bag you 1842 01:44:35.079 --> 01:44:37.359 carried with your boots and your tights. You'd put on 1843 01:44:37.399 --> 01:44:39.960 this costume to go perform like a dancing monkey. Then 1844 01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:41.800 you'd take the costume off, get paid, and move on 1845 01:44:41.840 --> 01:44:44.159 to the next town's circus to look around at the 1846 01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:46.600 sold out arena, to hear them roar and chant your name, 1847 01:44:46.720 --> 01:44:48.760 to know that they're walking out of there where their 1848 01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:50.840 buddies were living. Every moment of the show you put 1849 01:44:50.840 --> 01:44:53.159 on just like Vick and I used to do when 1850 01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:55.720 we left the armory back in Tampa as kids. And 1851 01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:58.119 then after all of that, a guy hands you twenty 1852 01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:02.000 five bucks and says, see you next week. It all 1853 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:05.159 seemed like such a letdown. After a while, the rays 1854 01:45:05.279 --> 01:45:06.880 up to one hundred bucks or so didn't make it 1855 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:09.479 any better. I was just still The price of a 1856 01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:11.560 few seats in that whole arena was that all I 1857 01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:13.840 was worth. I knew a good portion of those fans 1858 01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:16.119 were there to see me. I had built a following. 1859 01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:18.680 I was the one out doing spots on TV and 1860 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:21.520 helping her promote this whole thing. I knew I deserved more, 1861 01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:23.760 I knew I was worth more. So when it was 1862 01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:26.079 clear that there were no giant Raises in my future, 1863 01:45:26.119 --> 01:45:28.640 I took a step back and tried to evaluate this 1864 01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:34.560 whole situation. My conclusion, wrestling for no money sucks. Wow, 1865 01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:37.760 he's coming to the brink, Boss, He's coming to drink 1866 01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:41.359 now he remembers his buddy going to Portland. But according 1867 01:45:41.359 --> 01:45:44.039 to the record of his career, where ed Boulder actually 1868 01:45:44.079 --> 01:45:47.319 goes is to Southeastern down to Alabama. As we talked 1869 01:45:47.319 --> 01:45:49.760 to a whole prior episodes, you don't start to see 1870 01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:52.920 Ed Boulder actually having recorded matches in Ron Fuller Southeastern 1871 01:45:52.960 --> 01:45:56.439 Wrestling until after both he and Terry had gone to Memphis, 1872 01:45:56.439 --> 01:45:59.760 not before, and certainly not in those earliest Helcyon days 1873 01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:02.359 where he was first becoming Terry the Hulk Boulder and 1874 01:46:02.399 --> 01:46:04.319 working with Andre the Giant. 1875 01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:05.479 Bruti's beef. 1876 01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:08.319 Kake points to the Harley Race match almost as if 1877 01:46:08.359 --> 01:46:13.680 it took place to lure him back from Memphis, but 1878 01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:16.479 in fact it took place in early July, and they 1879 01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:19.399 came in mid July, So the Harley match had already 1880 01:46:19.439 --> 01:46:23.359 happened in Dothan before they made treks to Memphis, not 1881 01:46:23.439 --> 01:46:25.399 the very first time in May when they did that 1882 01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:28.279 very brief first appearance where they did the six man 1883 01:46:28.319 --> 01:46:32.000 tag with Jerry Lawler. I'm talking about the more semi 1884 01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:35.000 permanent run where they did the interview we've listened to 1885 01:46:35.079 --> 01:46:37.840 with Lance Russell and got that whole storyline rocket and rolling. 1886 01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:41.560 So again, a lot of that, a lot of the 1887 01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:44.640 chronology becomes very difficult to follow in seventy nine, but 1888 01:46:44.640 --> 01:46:48.199 suffice to say Ed's moving on and really splitting off 1889 01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:51.079 to seek his own fame and fortune as a pro wrestler, 1890 01:46:51.560 --> 01:46:55.399 while Hulk is considering what whether he wants to continue 1891 01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:59.479 doing it. But there was this interregnant period, this underdiscussed 1892 01:47:00.479 --> 01:47:03.800 sort of second round of quitting the wrestling business that 1893 01:47:03.880 --> 01:47:07.359 Terry Boley went through. Amidst all of this incredibly eventful 1894 01:47:07.479 --> 01:47:10.720 nineteen seventy nine, he throws up his hands once again, 1895 01:47:11.399 --> 01:47:14.439 and we'll certainly get there. But even as he acquired 1896 01:47:14.439 --> 01:47:16.760 the Hulk nickname, the thought of that dream becoming real, 1897 01:47:16.800 --> 01:47:19.039 he writes, kept falling further and further into the back 1898 01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:21.720 of my mind. Despite the new name and how popular 1899 01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:25.000 I was getting on the Memphis circuit. The whole business 1900 01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:28.359 of wrestling quickly started to become a drag all over again. 1901 01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:32.119 And speaking of Big Lincoln town Cars, Boss, speaking of 1902 01:47:32.439 --> 01:47:35.760 brother Cars and association with the Memphis territory. We had 1903 01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:37.960 some questions about the Van Tournament. Didn't you the Big 1904 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:42.159 Van Tournament? Yes, the Big Van Vader Tournament. Is this 1905 01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:47.520 like why? Unfortunately the Homie Matt has our back. They 1906 01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:51.039 used to do tournaments where the winner will get a 1907 01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:54.000 nineteen seventy nine Lincoln Continental town Car, just like the 1908 01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:58.000 one that Jerry Jarrett and Jerry Lawler supposedly gifted to 1909 01:47:58.039 --> 01:48:00.520 Hulk Covie. So he just had these fuck and things 1910 01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:03.640 like on at the ready. Well, there's probably there was 1911 01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:06.199 some relationship with some dealer, I'm sure who gave him 1912 01:48:06.199 --> 01:48:07.359 a discount. 1913 01:48:07.439 --> 01:48:07.640 Right. 1914 01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:11.199 Look at this ad was the Lexington, Kentucky newspaper. 1915 01:48:11.399 --> 01:48:17.880 Read what you see? Okay? So I see professional wrestling 1916 01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:22.720 at the Rupp Arena in lexingon Kentucky, Thursday, June fourteenth, 1917 01:48:22.760 --> 01:48:26.159 ninety seventy nine, eight pm, one night. And the main 1918 01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:31.039 event is the nineteen seventy nine Lincoln Continental town Car 1919 01:48:31.439 --> 01:48:35.840 Tournament First round tournament match Jerry Lawler versus the Stomper. 1920 01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:38.000 I mean, I've heard of the Intra Continental Championship, but 1921 01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:42.840 the Lincoln Continental Championship. That's that's fucking they Honestly, that 1922 01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:45.479 would be amazing. They should do that. The Lincoln Continental 1923 01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:47.800 championshipre's a big d of a Lincoln on the ad, 1924 01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:51.760 the print ad, Yeah, probably done by Jerry Lawler. You 1925 01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:54.560 get Lawler and Stomper. There, you get pictures of Robert 1926 01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:58.560 Fuller and Bill Dundee as well. The first round tournament 1927 01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:02.079 match Jerry Lalla versus the Stomper. Special added attraction card 1928 01:49:02.199 --> 01:49:07.119 will be highlighted by six Man Texas Tornado match. All 1929 01:49:07.159 --> 01:49:11.880 six men in ring during entire match. Wow Professor Tanaka, 1930 01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:20.439 Mister Fuji, Gorgeous George Junior, Robert Fuller, Ron Fuller, Bill Dundee, 1931 01:49:20.439 --> 01:49:24.279 More first round tournament matches, Tommy Gilbert versus Ron Bass, 1932 01:49:24.800 --> 01:49:28.760 Thunderbolt Patterson versus Gorgeous George Junior, c w A and 1933 01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:30.920 who I guess was the c WA Heavyweight champion at 1934 01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:35.079 the time. Yeah, according to that, Tony Charles versus Wayne Ferris, 1935 01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:40.000 Tommy Gilbert versus Rick Oliver, Playboy Fraser, oh plowboy. Sorry, 1936 01:49:40.039 --> 01:49:45.439 not playboy Plowboy Fraser versus Larry Lank Playboy Fraser. I 1937 01:49:45.439 --> 01:49:52.000 don't think he was the call. Plus eighth and eight 1938 01:49:52.319 --> 01:49:56.720 finalist matches, fifteen matches starting at eight BM. Take us 1939 01:49:56.720 --> 01:49:59.439 on a sale at Lexington Center, not the Lincoln Center. 1940 01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:03.119 The Lexington Center. Five dollars ring side, four dollars general admission, 1941 01:50:03.159 --> 01:50:07.279 two dollars children five and under. So apparently this was 1942 01:50:07.279 --> 01:50:10.199 your Yeah, you're not a child if you're six years old, 1943 01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:14.840 I guess to Jerry Lawler. No, well that's a good 1944 01:50:14.880 --> 01:50:15.920 point actually. 1945 01:50:16.119 --> 01:50:19.640 But the the town car, the van tournament, the tournament 1946 01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:23.319 for a boat. Apparently this was like a Fuller family gimmick. 1947 01:50:23.159 --> 01:50:25.119 And uh oh good. Another thing here important. 1948 01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:28.039 So yeah, we were talk about the van tournament that we 1949 01:50:28.079 --> 01:50:30.279 saw reference to when we were going through clippings relative 1950 01:50:30.279 --> 01:50:32.960 to Huax time in Memphis. And here is a clipping 1951 01:50:33.039 --> 01:50:35.399 of who won that tournament in nineteen seventy nine. Let 1952 01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:39.359 the people know, all right, here we go another then 1953 01:50:40.159 --> 01:50:45.600 commercial commercial Appeals Sports Sports, Memphis, Tuesday, May nine, nineteen 1954 01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:47.199 seventy nine, Page fourteen. 1955 01:50:47.319 --> 01:50:50.880 Fuller heads home in style. Robert Fuller defeated the Stomber 1956 01:50:50.920 --> 01:50:53.760 to win the Van tournament. Fuller won the Van tournament 1957 01:50:55.039 --> 01:50:58.039 in ret I mean, but did he actually win a van, 1958 01:50:58.279 --> 01:51:02.319 like because it's fake? Probably not honestly, right, So this 1959 01:51:02.359 --> 01:51:04.119 is what I don't understand. This was so fucking weird. 1960 01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:06.119 Like I never you didn't want one hundred thousand dollars 1961 01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:07.720 for winning a battle rial either. 1962 01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:13.039 Right, there was no purse money, you know. In wrestling 1963 01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:15.840 action last night at the mid South Coliseum before four thousand, 1964 01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:19.680 seven hundred and six, Fuller, who took home a van 1965 01:51:20.079 --> 01:51:24.119 as his prize one matches over Dix. I mean, can 1966 01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:26.159 you imagine if you brought him a van. It's like 1967 01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:28.800 you want a van, like, I don't even give you 1968 01:51:28.840 --> 01:51:32.640 a van on fucking on on on like wheel of 1969 01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:34.920 Fortune or something like that. Right, you get a you know, 1970 01:51:37.319 --> 01:51:39.520 full event. I want to matches over Dix later and 1971 01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:42.680 Wayne Ferris to reach spelled f A r R I 1972 01:51:42.920 --> 01:51:45.359 S to reach the Is that how we spec I 1973 01:51:45.399 --> 01:51:46.840 thought it was f E R R I S. Right, 1974 01:51:46.920 --> 01:51:51.479 it is? Yes, Okay, I listen, I'm going to call 1975 01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:54.720 them out every time they make a typo to reach 1976 01:51:54.840 --> 01:51:57.960 the championship. About in the first round Tommy gillberb comic 1977 01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:01.800 Gilbert beat Larry Latham. Tony Charles was victorious over mister Fuji, 1978 01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:07.560 Fuller pinned Wayne Ferris Thunderbolt, Patterson up ended Gorgeous George 1979 01:52:07.600 --> 01:52:14.159 Junior Brothers, Dick Slater defeated Bill Dundee, and the Stomper 1980 01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:17.600 upset Jerry Lawlervill What do you do? What do you do? 1981 01:52:17.720 --> 01:52:20.960 Upset him In the quarterfinals. Patterson and Tanaka were both 1982 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:24.000 disqualified in their match. Slater beat Charles and the Stomper 1983 01:52:24.039 --> 01:52:28.960 won his bout with Gilbert. In the semifinal round, Fuller 1984 01:52:29.079 --> 01:52:32.880 topped Slater and the Stomper advanced because of the earlier 1985 01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:38.760 double disqualification. In two non title bouts, Ron Bass defeated 1986 01:52:38.800 --> 01:52:41.920 Tommy Gilbert Junior and Rick Oliver got the best of 1987 01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:44.319 Jerry Bryant. 1988 01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:48.279 There we go, incredible, incredible stuff. So that's what the 1989 01:52:48.279 --> 01:52:51.880 then tournaments were all about. Indeed, one of the things 1990 01:52:52.439 --> 01:52:55.680 I wanted to really nail down for the complete Hull 1991 01:52:55.760 --> 01:52:58.439 Coogan was, Yes, when was the first time he was 1992 01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:00.000 in an aptormag. 1993 01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:02.119 Ooh, good call. 1994 01:53:02.359 --> 01:53:05.199 And we know it wasn't Southeastern because, as we've talked about, 1995 01:53:05.279 --> 01:53:08.000 Ron Fuller was no fan of having his match as photographed, 1996 01:53:08.399 --> 01:53:10.840 so it wouldn't have been Dothan. But my god, have 1997 01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:14.359 we not established that Jerry Lawler ran towards magazine coverage 1998 01:53:14.359 --> 01:53:16.600 more than perhaps any other promoter in the country at 1999 01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:19.960 the time. Yeah, so how did it happen? Well, as 2000 01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:22.520 best we can report back, and it's it's kind of 2001 01:53:22.520 --> 01:53:26.079 funky for the timeline, but it actually relates to Memphis 2002 01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:29.800 more than it does where Hogan would be in nineteen eighty. 2003 01:53:30.199 --> 01:53:35.760 But the February nineteen eighty edition of The Wrestler Wow, 2004 01:53:36.039 --> 01:53:40.960 which has cover stories including will Avenging Dusty Rhodes destroy 2005 01:53:41.039 --> 01:53:41.640 Steve Kern? 2006 01:53:43.039 --> 01:53:49.840 Let me of what special feature the Avenging? How I 2007 01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:51.039 have the Avenging? I don't know. 2008 01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:55.920 A special feature is Andre's pictured splashing looks like Johnny Valiant? 2009 01:53:56.199 --> 01:53:59.199 How I saved Backland's title by Andre the Giant? So 2010 01:53:59.279 --> 01:54:01.319 Andre picking up the pen for this issue or a 2011 01:54:01.399 --> 01:54:04.319 wrestler that's very important. Also, picture Rick Flair going to 2012 01:54:04.319 --> 01:54:06.039 work in what looks like black Jack Mulligan with the 2013 01:54:06.039 --> 01:54:08.600 headline ric Flair's days is a fan favorite are over? 2014 01:54:09.439 --> 01:54:09.880 Wow. 2015 01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:12.960 Also Ted Dibiassi must be given the North American title. 2016 01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:15.359 These are all the pressing issues of the day for 2017 01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:17.680 the wrestling fan in February nineteen eighty. 2018 01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:20.680 But the pressing issues or depressing. 2019 01:54:20.199 --> 01:54:22.159 Issues, well, the issues that made it to the press, 2020 01:54:22.199 --> 01:54:25.520 I should probably say, and it was in the photo 2021 01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:28.680 feature beyond the squared circle, where they would show sort 2022 01:54:28.680 --> 01:54:32.359 of like candids of wrestlers and wrestlers doing things that 2023 01:54:32.439 --> 01:54:36.920 we first see, as far as we can ascertain, a 2024 01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:40.319 picture of Terry buleya in the pages of the magazines 2025 01:54:40.359 --> 01:54:43.199 that we spent so many years, so many years as 2026 01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:46.760 kids thumbing through. Look at that, God, he looks fucking 2027 01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:50.920 massive massive. So while holy shit, the magazine was published 2028 01:54:50.920 --> 01:54:56.039 in February nineteen eighty, the copy the text was apparently 2029 01:54:56.399 --> 01:54:59.439 set down when he was still in Memphis, because they 2030 01:54:59.479 --> 01:55:02.159 refer to him as if he was still wrestling in Memphis, 2031 01:55:02.199 --> 01:55:04.720 which is why it belongs right here on this leg 2032 01:55:04.760 --> 01:55:07.439 of the Complete Hulk Hogan Boss tell us what they 2033 01:55:07.479 --> 01:55:08.439 decided to caption it. 2034 01:55:09.680 --> 01:55:12.960 Terry Boulder, currently wrestling in the Memphis area, would much 2035 01:55:12.960 --> 01:55:16.039 prefer to be referred to as the Incredible Hulk. Boulder, 2036 01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:21.199 who has twenty two inch biceps, claims to possess twice 2037 01:55:21.279 --> 01:55:25.079 the strength of television's Incredible Hulk Lou for Rigno, so 2038 01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:25.920 there's a direct hit. 2039 01:55:26.039 --> 01:55:26.359 Huh. 2040 01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:29.239 That is a direct hit. 2041 01:55:29.600 --> 01:55:32.239 And if you're wondering if they were if he was 2042 01:55:32.279 --> 01:55:36.279 marketing himself as the real Incredible Hulk, there you have it. Also, 2043 01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:40.600 Bob Geigel looks like a looks like a criminal. Well, 2044 01:55:40.600 --> 01:55:43.319 he looks like the guy is like Uncle Junior in 2045 01:55:43.359 --> 01:55:46.359 the Sopranos Uncle Junior and Sopranos, or the guy, the 2046 01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:48.239 creepy guy in the six Flags commercials. 2047 01:55:48.680 --> 01:55:52.520 Yes and Sun Dun. What else is on this page? 2048 01:55:52.960 --> 01:55:56.039 Don Curtis, formerly Mark Lewin's tag team partner, is now 2049 01:55:56.079 --> 01:56:00.119 a successful promoter in Jacksonville, looking kind of like the 2050 01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:02.840 the more like, better looking brother of Martin Scorsese. 2051 01:56:04.119 --> 01:56:08.239 Yeah, to handle the unibrow issue. Yeah. And then up here, oh, 2052 01:56:08.359 --> 01:56:09.239 up the right corner. 2053 01:56:10.199 --> 01:56:13.680 Andy Kaufman, star of television's Taxi and a frequent guest 2054 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:18.000 on Saturday Night Live, grapples with Dusty Rhodes a headlock 2055 01:56:18.039 --> 01:56:19.119 on Dustin's. 2056 01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:20.560 I Wonder Hogan felt compelled to pretend that he was 2057 01:56:20.680 --> 01:56:23.880 around when Andy Kaufman was Seriously first time he opens 2058 01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:26.319 a PWI to see you pictures of himself, and according 2059 01:56:26.319 --> 01:56:28.159 to add Leslie, sometimes they would just stop and look 2060 01:56:28.199 --> 01:56:31.279 at wrestling magazines. That was That was the setup to 2061 01:56:31.279 --> 01:56:35.079 where that woman eventually lured them into a tag team scenario. 2062 01:56:35.640 --> 01:56:37.640 He's looking for pictures of himself when he did see it. 2063 01:56:37.680 --> 01:56:40.159 There's a the old son of a bitch in Florida 2064 01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:41.760 who didn't believe in him and never let him work 2065 01:56:41.800 --> 01:56:42.079 the hester. 2066 01:56:42.399 --> 01:56:45.359 Now and then we got on the bottom right corner. 2067 01:56:46.399 --> 01:56:49.880 Sweet brown Sugars fans come in all ages. As an 2068 01:56:49.880 --> 01:56:53.800 old lady with Sweet brown Sugar. The high flying mast 2069 01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:58.720 has masked man has quite a following. Yeah, I guess 2070 01:56:58.960 --> 01:57:02.119 she's listen. I guess she's one of the older ring rats. 2071 01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:07.119 Apparently that's the only takeaway. I greds finally greets fine. Yes, 2072 01:57:08.520 --> 01:57:10.720 it's kind of behavior that needs to happen. 2073 01:57:11.479 --> 01:57:14.319 So to conclude the Memphis leg of the journey, we 2074 01:57:14.399 --> 01:57:16.119 have to flip forward in the timeline a bit, because 2075 01:57:16.119 --> 01:57:19.039 this reference doesn't really make sense to go into all 2076 01:57:19.039 --> 01:57:20.760 the other places Hulk's about to go to and then 2077 01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:23.159 do one quick foray over to Memphis for one match, 2078 01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:26.319 which is essentially what happens in February of nineteen eighty one. 2079 01:57:26.600 --> 01:57:29.439 So let's set the stage. Yes, in eighty one, he's 2080 01:57:29.479 --> 01:57:32.840 wrestling for WWF for the most part, he's working all 2081 01:57:32.880 --> 01:57:37.439 their television tapings in Pennsylvania wrestling the likes of Tony Garia, 2082 01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:40.399 Tony Altamare, Jim Duggan even who was coming in for 2083 01:57:40.479 --> 01:57:42.920 some shots back then. And then all of a sudden 2084 01:57:42.920 --> 01:57:45.479 in the middle of all of this, including a basically 2085 01:57:45.479 --> 01:57:48.439 the two days after Tonygree and Rick Martel, the tag 2086 01:57:48.479 --> 01:57:51.880 team champions face Hulk Cogan and the Hangman in Baltimore 2087 01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:54.680 at the Civic Arena. Two days later, all of a sudden, 2088 01:57:54.760 --> 01:57:57.800 Hulk's back in Memphis. A deal's made and Hulk is 2089 01:57:57.840 --> 01:58:02.199 back and it's the February ninth, nineteen eighty one c 2090 01:58:02.439 --> 01:58:06.079 WA Mid South Colisseum card in Memphis, where yes, the 2091 01:58:06.159 --> 01:58:10.039 record book shows Boss that Jerry the King Lawler defeats 2092 01:58:10.119 --> 01:58:13.039 Hulk Hogan. Wow, and man with this come in handy 2093 01:58:13.159 --> 01:58:16.520 later for Jerry Lawler. Oh yeah, as Hulk becomes a 2094 01:58:16.600 --> 01:58:19.279 national phenomenon and we sense kind of a pattern to 2095 01:58:21.560 --> 01:58:25.279 the use Jerry would put visiting superstars when they come 2096 01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:26.239 through Memphis back then. 2097 01:58:26.720 --> 01:58:28.279 And it's only four. 2098 01:58:28.159 --> 01:58:32.159 Days later that Hulk is back for WWF at a 2099 01:58:32.239 --> 01:58:34.840 high school gym in New Jersey Wrestling, Rick McGraw and 2100 01:58:35.119 --> 01:58:40.159 continues with the WWF through February of nineteen eighty one. 2101 01:58:40.880 --> 01:58:44.520 So it's that kind of one aberration in February eighty one. 2102 01:58:44.520 --> 01:58:48.199 This one match, yep, that adds one little PostScript to 2103 01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:51.800 the story of Terry Bulea in Memphis, and we're going 2104 01:58:51.880 --> 01:58:54.159 to watch it. We're going to watch the match Lovely 2105 01:58:54.520 --> 01:58:56.880 Lovely that was on Wrestling Gold. You can find it, 2106 01:58:57.279 --> 01:58:59.840 which came out in nineteen eighty eight. I believe it 2107 01:58:59.880 --> 01:59:02.640 was on home video. I'm going to send you the 2108 01:59:02.720 --> 01:59:05.680 link and folks out there in the Solar System can 2109 01:59:05.680 --> 01:59:06.600 find it as well. 2110 01:59:07.920 --> 01:59:08.680 This is this is. 2111 01:59:10.520 --> 01:59:12.640 Oh yeah, yeah, we'll just do this when you're right 2112 01:59:12.720 --> 01:59:17.159 it is. But okay, let's just do it. This was sure, 2113 01:59:17.279 --> 01:59:21.039 whatever's easier, So yeah, just quickly. I mean we've already 2114 01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:23.079 touched on it a bit, but for the sake of 2115 01:59:23.119 --> 01:59:24.800 the fact they're about to play on it, this is 2116 01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:26.159 big for you, right. 2117 01:59:26.199 --> 01:59:28.079 Yeah, I honestly, you know what, I don't think I've 2118 01:59:28.119 --> 01:59:30.199 seen this match since then, so I'll be I'm very 2119 01:59:30.359 --> 01:59:32.640 I'm very curious to see how it all, how it 2120 01:59:32.680 --> 01:59:34.600 all plays out, and if it jogs any memories. 2121 01:59:34.960 --> 01:59:37.439 Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a wild thing to see 2122 01:59:37.479 --> 01:59:40.319 because just where Hulk's at in his life and career 2123 01:59:40.439 --> 01:59:43.279 is just yes, it's it's weird that he's a big 2124 01:59:43.399 --> 01:59:46.920 enough deal that he's you know, a headliner against Jerry Lawler, 2125 01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:49.399 but not a big enough deal yet that we consider 2126 01:59:49.479 --> 01:59:54.039 him truly having arrived as right. It's like this, he 2127 01:59:54.159 --> 01:59:59.119 was over before he was over? Does that make sense? Like, yeah, yeah, 2128 01:59:59.159 --> 01:59:59.880 and it does. 2129 02:00:01.720 --> 02:00:04.119 I'm just gonna have to but there is like, you know, 2130 02:00:04.159 --> 02:00:06.279 but there is a thing like you know, there's being 2131 02:00:06.319 --> 02:00:14.239 over in there's being over with the wrestling crowd, with 2132 02:00:14.319 --> 02:00:16.720 the wrestlers, and being with wrestling promoters, and there's also 2133 02:00:16.760 --> 02:00:20.720 being over you know, in a bigger fashion. Yeah. 2134 02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:23.039 I just saw as I'm trying to pull this up 2135 02:00:23.079 --> 02:00:27.399 that the Vault guys put up the Superstar Gram Harley 2136 02:00:27.479 --> 02:00:29.479 Rayed super Bowl stuff that we talked about, and the 2137 02:00:29.479 --> 02:00:32.880 Florida leg of the journey. Oh no, kidding. So they're 2138 02:00:32.920 --> 02:00:35.640 they're paying attention. Hopefully they follow our lead, they continue 2139 02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:38.000 to follow our lead because there's a lot of stuff 2140 02:00:38.000 --> 02:00:40.079 that they they have Hull Cogain that we're gonna have 2141 02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:42.600 to see as the complete Hull Cogain unfolds and if 2142 02:00:42.600 --> 02:00:45.479 they post it, if they if they want us to 2143 02:00:45.520 --> 02:00:47.600 pretend we don't notice that we gave them the idea 2144 02:00:47.840 --> 02:00:50.079 or more than, we're going to do that because so 2145 02:00:50.359 --> 02:00:52.920 it's it's for the greater good, as we've established. So 2146 02:00:52.960 --> 02:00:54.680 if you're loaded up, I am, this is only about 2147 02:00:54.680 --> 02:00:55.760 a four minut loaded up clip. 2148 02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:56.840 Here. No, that's crazy. 2149 02:00:57.119 --> 02:00:59.079 That was on the tape. So we're going to hit 2150 02:00:59.119 --> 02:01:09.600 play in three that one play. 2151 02:01:10.079 --> 02:01:12.199 N's wrestling the call help already with the big gold 2152 02:01:12.279 --> 02:01:15.119 Cape is betting managed by Frank Blasser's speaking at the out, 2153 02:01:16.319 --> 02:01:17.439 Let's go out and. 2154 02:01:19.119 --> 02:01:23.119 Stas from valley five mits of this legend. It's not 2155 02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:28.079 a legendary matric and fucking you know, let him see 2156 02:01:28.119 --> 02:01:33.760 the flore And what's he coming out to Rocky? 2157 02:01:34.920 --> 02:01:39.880 She already lawler Oh coming out to Rocky stand Yeah, 2158 02:01:40.880 --> 02:01:44.279 that's a job because he'd already done Rocky through. 2159 02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:50.119 Wait a minute, Februar eighty one away. I don't think so. No, 2160 02:01:50.199 --> 02:01:53.520 he had the well, that's right, so I guess it's, uh, 2161 02:01:53.760 --> 02:01:56.520 Terry get the idea. Look at Terry. I guess they 2162 02:01:56.640 --> 02:02:00.279 walked out and held up with a crown on and 2163 02:02:00.399 --> 02:02:02.920 like a magic carpet drive. That is Zodie. I always think, 2164 02:02:03.279 --> 02:02:05.399 you know, it's a weird thing, and I wonder if 2165 02:02:05.439 --> 02:02:06.840 anyone else feels this, But. 2166 02:02:06.920 --> 02:02:10.680 You just always feel like Hogan didn't start wrestling until 2167 02:02:10.720 --> 02:02:13.920 he fucking look did Rocky and everything came after that? 2168 02:02:14.199 --> 02:02:18.680 Or you know, like that's ok cars to ride a 2169 02:02:18.760 --> 02:02:19.760 white horse to the room. 2170 02:02:23.199 --> 02:02:25.439 The Hulk stands on the wing and Peacocks's feathers out 2171 02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:32.399 with that big gold KP's get out one more time 2172 02:02:32.439 --> 02:02:33.800 headlining in memshis with the King. 2173 02:02:33.920 --> 02:02:34.279 Look at this? 2174 02:02:34.920 --> 02:02:39.119 Do you look at the size of Hogan a black trunks, 2175 02:02:39.399 --> 02:02:41.600 black pads, silver books. 2176 02:02:43.079 --> 02:02:44.840 Before the n W o ye. 2177 02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:47.479 Coloren elbow to push off and out Coloren elbow to 2178 02:02:47.560 --> 02:02:51.520 the side headlock for the wallers. You gotta you gotta 2179 02:02:51.520 --> 02:02:54.840 watch this because you gotta see the size difference between 2180 02:02:54.880 --> 02:03:00.640 the two of them now is remarkable. Pulp lifts from 2181 02:03:00.680 --> 02:03:02.840 the headlock in a back suplex and deposits Lola and 2182 02:03:02.880 --> 02:03:07.359 the top shows ease. Not even a struggle ring, definitely 2183 02:03:07.399 --> 02:03:08.479 a powerhouse. 2184 02:03:09.520 --> 02:03:09.640 Ring. 2185 02:03:09.760 --> 02:03:12.279 That's pretty good. You'll see Jimmy Hart down at the 2186 02:03:12.279 --> 02:03:16.399 bottom of the screen. Yeah, managing Hogan Hill are sitting 2187 02:03:16.399 --> 02:03:18.119 on the little rope blocked the right hand and hit 2188 02:03:18.520 --> 02:03:19.279 hit Holt in the head and. 2189 02:03:19.239 --> 02:03:21.159 They did the rafergo struck. They're going nuts in the 2190 02:03:21.199 --> 02:03:23.960 midst of the Jeff Jarrett stroke. 2191 02:03:24.039 --> 02:03:24.199 There. 2192 02:03:24.359 --> 02:03:27.760 Oh yeah, flash forward and help this clubbing the back. 2193 02:03:27.800 --> 02:03:29.479 And that's the problem with this match is it's just 2194 02:03:29.720 --> 02:03:34.760 shipping fragments yep, slipping elbow by Hulkobra and chops dwl 2195 02:03:34.840 --> 02:03:38.399 the ball elball scoop and slam man. 2196 02:03:39.479 --> 02:03:42.439 Oh, here we go, here we go like drop, that's 2197 02:03:42.479 --> 02:03:49.960 a vintage form. We flash forward. Yeah, Actually, Bomba's confusing. 2198 02:03:49.640 --> 02:03:51.560 Backshandel and he knew the finish, his halts finish, and 2199 02:03:51.640 --> 02:03:53.399 he does it here and then the match does it in. 2200 02:03:55.520 --> 02:03:57.439 Verse web. Hogan stumbles out of the corner of the 2201 02:03:57.439 --> 02:04:00.119 back pick up and slam. He lean on his showld 2202 02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:02.880 there's too you see that. It wasn't a it wasn't 2203 02:04:02.920 --> 02:04:03.680 a clean slam. 2204 02:04:05.359 --> 02:04:07.199 Hope with Litter says, he called all that song. He's 2205 02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:11.560 already saying, wheels down. I Hope with Litter said, he 2206 02:04:11.640 --> 02:04:14.840 called for that slang in the room. Waller now yes, 2207 02:04:15.000 --> 02:04:16.920 Pepper and Hogan's forehead of rights to. 2208 02:04:16.920 --> 02:04:19.640 Break all are up, pounding away with that right hand 2209 02:04:20.319 --> 02:04:23.800 founding away on that right hand the hoop back into 2210 02:04:23.880 --> 02:04:25.319 the ropes and he sank. 2211 02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:29.079 His son's drunk right forward the referee's out. Whiler is 2212 02:04:29.119 --> 02:04:31.359 punching Hogan on the canvas. Jimmy Hart has been unswing 2213 02:04:31.359 --> 02:04:33.000 around the ringside the panic and then he slipped in 2214 02:04:33.039 --> 02:04:34.199 the fans who don't care. 2215 02:04:34.760 --> 02:04:37.840 Their fans are just walking around, don't care. Oh, look 2216 02:04:37.840 --> 02:04:38.319 at look at it. 2217 02:04:38.479 --> 02:04:38.760 Look at it. 2218 02:04:39.039 --> 02:04:41.239 Jimmy Hard going to town and the keys will find 2219 02:04:41.239 --> 02:04:44.760 as he attacked before the ref begin his cunt. Hogan 2220 02:04:44.840 --> 02:04:46.800 picks up the walk and stick the chivy Hard has 2221 02:04:46.840 --> 02:04:50.119 so them fell sounds, assaulting Lulla with it. Clearly this 2222 02:04:50.199 --> 02:04:52.359 thing has been thrown out, and Cherry Lawler is the 2223 02:04:52.439 --> 02:04:54.239 victor if he had a qualification. 2224 02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:56.399 On the hog. 2225 02:04:59.399 --> 02:05:02.880 Going up heart going after the hawk with a walking stick. 2226 02:05:04.319 --> 02:05:08.920 The walking stick sent Sturry and the walking stick. Shots 2227 02:05:08.920 --> 02:05:12.199 of Lawler begging off now and he takes a shout 2228 02:05:14.680 --> 02:05:16.960 right hand down goes any Hard's heart. 2229 02:05:20.760 --> 02:05:25.399 That heart scrambles to the floor into the security of 2230 02:05:25.520 --> 02:05:29.640 the halt. Lawler the winner in fourteen twenty eight by 2231 02:05:29.720 --> 02:05:30.359 discual of it. 2232 02:05:30.520 --> 02:05:34.680 Wow, we lost ten minutes. We lost ten minutes of 2233 02:05:34.720 --> 02:05:37.720 that match. We did. We did. That sucks. 2234 02:05:38.279 --> 02:05:41.800 It's very it's very weird how that is the only 2235 02:05:41.920 --> 02:05:45.159 version that survives, because well, I feel like it's one 2236 02:05:45.199 --> 02:05:46.359 of the I feel like it's one of those things 2237 02:05:46.399 --> 02:05:49.159 where they they watched it. It was like one of 2238 02:05:49.199 --> 02:05:51.520 those like recap where they watch it. They you know, 2239 02:05:51.600 --> 02:05:56.840 they they would air it. You know what what they 2240 02:05:56.920 --> 02:05:59.520 did had the guide studio commenting over. 2241 02:05:59.479 --> 02:06:03.119 Right, right right. It looks like that so kind of 2242 02:06:03.159 --> 02:06:03.399 a thing. 2243 02:06:03.439 --> 02:06:06.159 There's got to be some the full match has to 2244 02:06:06.199 --> 02:06:08.880 exist on tape somewhere, because I don't think they destroyed things. 2245 02:06:08.920 --> 02:06:12.600 I've seen full length matches even without commentary from the 2246 02:06:12.640 --> 02:06:15.319 Mid South Colosseum from the late seventies and eighties. But 2247 02:06:15.880 --> 02:06:17.359 if it exists, I haven't seen it in a more 2248 02:06:17.399 --> 02:06:19.800 fuller form. And what's key is that this is what 2249 02:06:19.960 --> 02:06:22.880 was fuller form n fuller form. What's key is this 2250 02:06:22.960 --> 02:06:24.520 is how it was distributed to the country on the 2251 02:06:24.520 --> 02:06:28.520 Wrestling Gold release in right exactly see them playing that 2252 02:06:28.640 --> 02:06:31.000 up a bit. And you know, Jerry Lawler was not 2253 02:06:31.079 --> 02:06:33.399 above going on Memphis television and talking about all the 2254 02:06:33.479 --> 02:06:36.159 national wrestling stars that he'd already beaten, that he found 2255 02:06:36.199 --> 02:06:37.960 ways to get to come into Memphis before they were 2256 02:06:38.039 --> 02:06:41.960 established and get wins over them that he could later, 2257 02:06:42.279 --> 02:06:44.520 you know, in his little fiefdom there talk about having 2258 02:06:44.560 --> 02:06:46.840 defeated Andre the Giant, as we talked about earlier, fell 2259 02:06:46.920 --> 02:06:49.399 victim to do it as well. Right, But you saw 2260 02:06:49.479 --> 02:06:52.279 Jimmy Hart's involvement. And what's key is the difference between 2261 02:06:52.359 --> 02:06:54.520 what Jimmy Hart was about in Memphis and seventy nine 2262 02:06:54.600 --> 02:06:56.640 when Terry first came in, and what he was about 2263 02:06:56.680 --> 02:06:59.239 in Memphis in eighty one when Terry came back were 2264 02:06:59.319 --> 02:07:02.520 much different in terms of allegiance. And in fact, one 2265 02:07:02.520 --> 02:07:04.359 of the things we've often puzzled over in the Lapsed 2266 02:07:04.359 --> 02:07:06.159 Fan over the Year's Boss is how did Jimmy Hart 2267 02:07:06.199 --> 02:07:11.840 become this trusted CONSIGLIERI to Hulk Hogan, Yes, of all 2268 02:07:11.920 --> 02:07:13.640 the people, why Jimmy Hart. What did Jimmy Hart do 2269 02:07:13.720 --> 02:07:16.600 to win him over? And this may provide some of 2270 02:07:16.720 --> 02:07:21.199 the answer. We go to Jimmy Hart's book reflecting on 2271 02:07:21.279 --> 02:07:23.640 this point. In nineteen eighty one, I was bringing in 2272 02:07:23.760 --> 02:07:26.880 that unstoppable object, the walking stick, every Monday night to 2273 02:07:26.960 --> 02:07:29.720 keep Jerry Lawler from killing me. One week, Lawler says, 2274 02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:34.279 guess who I've got coming in next. Hulk Hogan's going 2275 02:07:34.359 --> 02:07:37.000 to be here Monday night. Oh my god, I said, 2276 02:07:37.119 --> 02:07:40.279 that's great. The house was sold out, But more important 2277 02:07:40.279 --> 02:07:42.399 than the night's receipts was the bond that formed between 2278 02:07:42.479 --> 02:07:45.000 Hulk and me before the match. He said, Look, Jimmy, 2279 02:07:45.680 --> 02:07:51.439 I'm worried. In fact, the full quote is and I 2280 02:07:51.560 --> 02:07:54.840 shit you not Jimmy Hart's book. Look, Jimmy, I'm worried 2281 02:07:54.880 --> 02:07:56.359 that these guys might try to swerve me. 2282 02:07:57.239 --> 02:07:57.520 Brother. 2283 02:07:57.840 --> 02:08:00.279 A swerve is a surprise trick of reversal that's part 2284 02:08:00.319 --> 02:08:03.439 of a match's plan. The local territories were notorious for 2285 02:08:03.600 --> 02:08:06.880 editing videotape to change the outcome of a match. Usually, 2286 02:08:07.000 --> 02:08:08.840 when a wrestler's down for a near fall, the count 2287 02:08:08.880 --> 02:08:11.159 goes one, two, and then he barely kicks out of 2288 02:08:11.199 --> 02:08:13.880 the pin before the ref says three. Well, you can 2289 02:08:13.920 --> 02:08:15.960 take a piece of video and edit and splice it 2290 02:08:16.000 --> 02:08:17.880 to the point where a near fall looks like a 2291 02:08:17.960 --> 02:08:22.640 three count. Back then, Oh my god, Hulk Hogan was 2292 02:08:22.680 --> 02:08:25.319 already big enough that a clean pinfall victory, even if 2293 02:08:25.319 --> 02:08:27.479 it occurred on a doctor tape, would have been damaging 2294 02:08:27.560 --> 02:08:30.520 to his star power. With a growing reputation, to protect 2295 02:08:30.560 --> 02:08:34.079 Hulk was justifiably worried. As Hulk's manager that night, I was, 2296 02:08:34.159 --> 02:08:36.239 of course supposed to jump into the ring while Lawler 2297 02:08:36.319 --> 02:08:40.560 had him in a pinning predicament. My job, My job 2298 02:08:41.000 --> 02:08:43.159 was to hit Lawler with my cane just before the 2299 02:08:43.199 --> 02:08:46.479 count of three and save my guy from losing well 2300 02:08:47.279 --> 02:08:49.600 in the back. Before the match, Lawler took me aside 2301 02:08:49.600 --> 02:08:52.079 and said, Jimmy, look, we want to make sure that 2302 02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:56.039 Hulk's shoulders are down for a while, long enough that 2303 02:08:56.079 --> 02:08:57.479 if we want to do a little bit of stuff 2304 02:08:57.479 --> 02:09:01.279 with the tape down the line. Well, wah, Jesus Christ, 2305 02:09:01.479 --> 02:09:04.600 you know, so, don't come in too fast. Whatever you do, 2306 02:09:05.000 --> 02:09:07.840 don't come in too fast. And we wonder, Boss, where 2307 02:09:07.880 --> 02:09:11.640 Hogan gets the paranoia from. Lawler wanted to be able 2308 02:09:11.680 --> 02:09:14.960 to make it look like he had Hulk pinned before 2309 02:09:15.039 --> 02:09:15.920 I jumped in the ring. 2310 02:09:16.199 --> 02:09:16.920 So that was the key. 2311 02:09:17.840 --> 02:09:20.720 The key was the visual pinfall that Hulk Cogan was 2312 02:09:20.760 --> 02:09:21.520 in mortal fear of. 2313 02:09:22.760 --> 02:09:24.079 That's always a thing. 2314 02:09:24.159 --> 02:09:26.960 And this is where it stems from. Lawler wanted to 2315 02:09:27.039 --> 02:09:29.439 have a tape of him even if the referee was out. 2316 02:09:29.520 --> 02:09:31.840 The idea is the ref could have counted three if 2317 02:09:31.840 --> 02:09:34.359 he was conscious because Jerry Lawler had Hulk Hogan dead 2318 02:09:34.359 --> 02:09:37.079 to rights, and if the finish is going to be 2319 02:09:37.119 --> 02:09:39.640 a disqualification with Jimmy Hart's interference, Jimmy Hart has to 2320 02:09:39.680 --> 02:09:41.920 make sure that those three seconds elapse before he gets 2321 02:09:41.960 --> 02:09:45.079 in the ring. But it's here where Jimmy Hart decides 2322 02:09:45.159 --> 02:09:48.399 to pledge his allegiance to Terry Boleya instead of Jerry Lawler, 2323 02:09:48.880 --> 02:09:51.720 and perhaps perhaps the rest is history. 2324 02:09:53.119 --> 02:09:53.359 Live. 2325 02:09:53.800 --> 02:09:56.239 Jimmy Hart writes, everything would end with the DQ after 2326 02:09:56.399 --> 02:09:58.520 I entered, Lawler would bump me around and beat up 2327 02:09:58.520 --> 02:09:59.880 a bit on Hogan, and then the ref would call 2328 02:10:00.439 --> 02:10:02.640 the whole thing off. There would be no clean victory 2329 02:10:02.760 --> 02:10:04.880 on tape. It might be a different story. 2330 02:10:05.600 --> 02:10:06.000 Mm hm. 2331 02:10:06.399 --> 02:10:09.600 Anyway, like I said, Hulk suspected some kind of swerve, 2332 02:10:10.560 --> 02:10:13.560 and just before our match, he looked at me and said, Jimmy, please, 2333 02:10:13.880 --> 02:10:16.079 on the count of one, make sure your rass was 2334 02:10:16.119 --> 02:10:19.840 in that ring. Yes, brother, make sure you're hitting Lawler 2335 02:10:19.920 --> 02:10:23.439 with that cane. I met his gaze and told him 2336 02:10:24.079 --> 02:10:27.479 I'd be there, buddy. When that referee got down for 2337 02:10:27.520 --> 02:10:30.720 the count, I was in like a bullet, whaling Lawler's 2338 02:10:30.720 --> 02:10:33.760 ass with that cane, which is not true. The referee 2339 02:10:33.840 --> 02:10:36.359 did not go for the count. The ref was splayed out. 2340 02:10:36.319 --> 02:10:40.079 Unconscious exactly, which maybe even a bigger thing like fucking 2341 02:10:40.439 --> 02:10:42.840 me get in there right, and I even don't even 2342 02:10:42.880 --> 02:10:43.760 wait for the ring. 2343 02:10:43.800 --> 02:10:45.239 I think that's kind of what he's saying. Yeah, he 2344 02:10:45.279 --> 02:10:47.399 remembers getting in like a bullet. In fact, he remembers 2345 02:10:48.680 --> 02:10:50.960 he actually got in before the ref even started to count. 2346 02:10:51.520 --> 02:10:53.920 Boom boom, boom boom five times. I hit him. I 2347 02:10:53.920 --> 02:10:55.600 didn't even give him the chance to get the near fall. 2348 02:10:56.000 --> 02:10:58.479 It was the best move I ever made. If Lawler 2349 02:10:58.520 --> 02:11:00.359 had been able to manufacture a three out in the 2350 02:11:00.479 --> 02:11:03.199 editing room, it might have been horrible for Hulk, possibly 2351 02:11:03.239 --> 02:11:06.359 even changing the course of his career. Certainly, it would 2352 02:11:06.399 --> 02:11:09.479 have temporarily damaged his reputation and status. I had a 2353 02:11:09.560 --> 02:11:12.640 clear choice. I could either do things Lawler's way or 2354 02:11:12.760 --> 02:11:16.840 stand with Hulk, and I went with Hulk, not knowing 2355 02:11:17.079 --> 02:11:19.039 that I'd ever be connected with him years later, at 2356 02:11:19.079 --> 02:11:23.760 the end of the Rainbow, after the match, Lawler was agitated, going, man, 2357 02:11:23.840 --> 02:11:27.479 you jumped in too fast, but Hogan was relieved seeing 2358 02:11:27.560 --> 02:11:31.520 things much differently. Fabulous brother Browler, who were right there 2359 02:11:31.760 --> 02:11:34.800 right on the spot. That would be just the first 2360 02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:38.680 of many moves I'd make in support of Hulk Hogan. 2361 02:11:40.119 --> 02:11:44.520 Oh my god, that's big. That's a moment. That that 2362 02:11:44.960 --> 02:11:49.720 is a moment, And uh, I don't even know what 2363 02:11:49.880 --> 02:11:53.079 to fuck. I mean, you know it, but it's some 2364 02:11:53.159 --> 02:11:54.520 of one of those things that it's just kind of weird, 2365 02:11:54.640 --> 02:11:59.439 like I don't know, like you're siding with Hulk Hogan. 2366 02:12:00.479 --> 02:12:02.680 I mean really, what's weird to me is that he's saying, 2367 02:12:02.760 --> 02:12:06.319 without having any clue about to me, you do that 2368 02:12:06.479 --> 02:12:09.760 because you establish a relationship with the guy. Yes, not 2369 02:12:09.960 --> 02:12:15.920 because of you know, you know, you don't know you're 2370 02:12:15.960 --> 02:12:18.479 going to have you're going to beat with him later. 2371 02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:20.239 Like I don't know, I don't know if I buy that. 2372 02:12:20.760 --> 02:12:23.800 Yeah, it does kind of seem like something that perhaps 2373 02:12:23.880 --> 02:12:26.800 didn't have as much significance when it happened. But in 2374 02:12:26.880 --> 02:12:29.399 trying to paint the picture of how he stayed loyal 2375 02:12:29.479 --> 02:12:34.359 to Hogan, he would kind of creatively remember this match 2376 02:12:34.399 --> 02:12:36.399 in nineteen eighty one as him taking more of a 2377 02:12:36.479 --> 02:12:40.000 stand than he actually took. I don't know, because you're right, 2378 02:12:40.039 --> 02:12:43.039 it's not like there'd been some allegiance between Jimmy Hart 2379 02:12:43.039 --> 02:12:45.439 and Hultkogan. Such that it made any sense that Jimmy 2380 02:12:45.439 --> 02:12:47.560 Hart would pick it was probably that it was pissed 2381 02:12:47.560 --> 02:12:50.239 off at Lawler, because you know, Lawler was the king 2382 02:12:50.279 --> 02:12:54.760 of the castle, and everybody eventually had a disagreement with 2383 02:12:54.840 --> 02:12:56.880 him that worked in that territory, especially worked with him 2384 02:12:56.920 --> 02:12:59.560 in that territory. You know, eventually he's going to piss 2385 02:12:59.600 --> 02:13:02.159 you off. Eventually he's going to big league you. Eventually 2386 02:13:02.199 --> 02:13:03.760 he's going to do something that crowds you out of 2387 02:13:03.800 --> 02:13:06.399 an opportunity to become perhaps a name on par with 2388 02:13:06.479 --> 02:13:08.880 his in Memphis. And I'm not saying Jimmy Hart had 2389 02:13:08.920 --> 02:13:11.359 aspirations in that direction, but he's pretty clear in his 2390 02:13:11.399 --> 02:13:13.039 book and interviews over the years that there were some 2391 02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:15.279 points of friction. Not that they can't stand each other anymore. 2392 02:13:15.319 --> 02:13:17.640 I mean they both sat in the room together for 2393 02:13:17.720 --> 02:13:20.560 the Tales from the Territories in the Memphis territory, for instance. 2394 02:13:20.640 --> 02:13:25.319 But I do think for Jimmy he prefers to see 2395 02:13:25.359 --> 02:13:29.800 his life in times, as you know, sniffing out Lawler's 2396 02:13:29.800 --> 02:13:32.680 bullshit and hitching himself to a much more lucrative train 2397 02:13:32.720 --> 02:13:35.479 in Hulk Hogan at a time when most would have 2398 02:13:35.479 --> 02:13:37.439 picked lawl or over Hogan, you know what I mean, 2399 02:13:37.960 --> 02:13:40.439 particularly in Memphis. So I think he takes some pride 2400 02:13:40.479 --> 02:13:42.680 in that. Now, I don't know, I have no reason 2401 02:13:42.760 --> 02:13:46.439 to disbelieve that he didn't follow Hulk's lead. I get 2402 02:13:46.520 --> 02:13:48.680 flashes to star K ninety seven here. I don't know 2403 02:13:48.720 --> 02:13:53.199 about you. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I didn't think about that, 2404 02:13:53.319 --> 02:13:55.319 but that totally makes sense because the only thing that 2405 02:13:55.319 --> 02:14:00.239 ever made sense to me was that Nick Patrick was 2406 02:14:00.279 --> 02:14:02.600 told to slap three by Hulk in the back and 2407 02:14:02.680 --> 02:14:04.720 then pretend it was an accident because Sting didn't kick 2408 02:14:04.720 --> 02:14:08.119 out in time, right, right, right, So I think that 2409 02:14:08.239 --> 02:14:08.640 made sense. 2410 02:14:08.680 --> 02:14:09.640 And this is kind of like that. 2411 02:14:10.079 --> 02:14:12.520 This is kind of Hulk going to the ring with 2412 02:14:12.600 --> 02:14:15.479 the other guy thinking something was going to happen, but 2413 02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:18.840 sneaking something in that advantages him from a perception standpoint, 2414 02:14:19.800 --> 02:14:22.039 even though you know, ultimately the result is Jerry Lawler 2415 02:14:22.039 --> 02:14:25.239 defeats Halkogan by disqualification. That was but this little twist, 2416 02:14:25.319 --> 02:14:28.199 this little thing Lawler wanted to happen for visual purposes, 2417 02:14:28.279 --> 02:14:30.079 Hogan gout wind of and I feel like that's what 2418 02:14:30.199 --> 02:14:32.479 pretty much happened in the Sting match as well. Yeah, yeah, 2419 02:14:32.600 --> 02:14:35.199 so he inserted that leg drop spot to save face. 2420 02:14:35.640 --> 02:14:37.159 And he's just playing, like you said, he's just playing 2421 02:14:37.199 --> 02:14:39.600 the same game, running the same playbook over and over 2422 02:14:39.760 --> 02:14:40.760 over against same angles. 2423 02:14:41.000 --> 02:14:44.279 Fucking thing. It's so funny. I mean, it's so funny 2424 02:14:44.319 --> 02:14:47.319 that it's it's it's not even just ww angles that worked. 2425 02:14:47.399 --> 02:14:50.760 It's like from from before, from way before before. Yeah. 2426 02:14:51.600 --> 02:14:55.039 Yeah, he's learning all these lessons outside the auspices of 2427 02:14:55.119 --> 02:14:59.239 New York even. And we're going to go now to 2428 02:14:59.359 --> 02:15:03.000 a promo that hul Cogan cut on Florida television to 2429 02:15:03.079 --> 02:15:06.520 set up the rematch with Jerry Lawler. This one would 2430 02:15:06.520 --> 02:15:09.479 be in Saint Petersburg, Florida, at the Bayfront Center, so 2431 02:15:09.600 --> 02:15:11.640 as part of the CWF circuits we've talked about, not 2432 02:15:11.760 --> 02:15:15.520 in Memphis. But they're already playing up this idea, which 2433 02:15:15.560 --> 02:15:18.239 I actually makes me even more specious as to Jimmy 2434 02:15:18.279 --> 02:15:22.039 Hart's account, they're clearly playing up on television the idea 2435 02:15:22.079 --> 02:15:24.439 that Jerry Lawler was doctoring footage to make hul Cogan 2436 02:15:24.479 --> 02:15:26.920 look bad, not that he would doctor it years and 2437 02:15:27.039 --> 02:15:29.840 years later, after hul Cogan was the WWF champion in 2438 02:15:29.960 --> 02:15:32.880 nineteen eighty eight, in eighty one, they were talking on 2439 02:15:32.960 --> 02:15:35.880 television like Jerry Lawler was trying to take false credit 2440 02:15:36.279 --> 02:15:39.039 for a victory over hul Cogan, who at the time 2441 02:15:39.800 --> 02:15:43.199 wasn't necessarily being portrayed as unbeatable. He certainly wasn't the 2442 02:15:43.199 --> 02:15:44.680 world beating superhero baby Face. 2443 02:15:44.720 --> 02:15:45.239 He was a heel. 2444 02:15:46.119 --> 02:15:49.560 He was a heel in New York primarily, and so 2445 02:15:49.680 --> 02:15:51.680 the idea that he would take umbrage with Jerry Lawler 2446 02:15:51.760 --> 02:15:54.000 doctoring the footage was something a heel would say. It 2447 02:15:54.119 --> 02:15:57.039 was It's something a heel would say, is an excuse 2448 02:15:57.119 --> 02:16:00.720 for having lost to Jerry Lawler. Right, It wasn't something 2449 02:16:00.760 --> 02:16:02.760 a baby face was saying to try to throw shade 2450 02:16:02.760 --> 02:16:04.600 at a Jerry Lawler and make him seem like some 2451 02:16:04.720 --> 02:16:08.119 kind of Charlottean or some kind of manipulative dickhead or 2452 02:16:08.159 --> 02:16:10.720 something like that. So hear it for yourself. This is 2453 02:16:11.520 --> 02:16:12.920 as part of a segment that used to air on 2454 02:16:12.960 --> 02:16:15.760 Florida Television with Gordon Soley in the host chair, but 2455 02:16:15.840 --> 02:16:18.520 a co host or a special correspondent named Barbara Cleary 2456 02:16:19.279 --> 02:16:21.439 would do a Q and a segment called Take five. 2457 02:16:22.159 --> 02:16:23.960 This would be at the Sportatory in the same place 2458 02:16:24.880 --> 02:16:27.600 where Terry made his first inroads into the business working 2459 02:16:27.640 --> 02:16:30.960 with Charlie Lay to get in with Hiro Matsuda and stuff, 2460 02:16:31.560 --> 02:16:33.600 and this is where they would take Florida television. It's 2461 02:16:33.639 --> 02:16:36.000 so hot in here and Terry is so wet from 2462 02:16:36.079 --> 02:16:39.559 sweat that you can see I can see his hair 2463 02:16:39.760 --> 02:16:44.520 blowing from the fan that they undoubtedly had to point 2464 02:16:44.520 --> 02:16:49.000 at him, so he didn't turn into a human amount 2465 02:16:49.000 --> 02:16:50.280 of perspiration. 2466 02:16:50.120 --> 02:16:51.159 During the course of the promo. 2467 02:16:51.719 --> 02:16:55.159 But this one survives, and it's great because in some 2468 02:16:55.280 --> 02:16:57.680 ways it's Hulk finally coming back to Florida. I'm being like, 2469 02:16:57.719 --> 02:17:01.120 you see, you know here, I am looking me. I'm 2470 02:17:02.079 --> 02:17:04.639 cutting promos against one of the top territorial baby faces 2471 02:17:04.680 --> 02:17:07.200 in the country, and I'm back in Florida and you 2472 02:17:07.280 --> 02:17:08.799 got to put me on television like I'm a big 2473 02:17:08.879 --> 02:17:11.520 deal after you basically ran me out of town on 2474 02:17:11.600 --> 02:17:12.840 a rail. It made me feel like I had no 2475 02:17:12.959 --> 02:17:16.040 place in the wrestling business. And so that's kind of 2476 02:17:16.079 --> 02:17:20.360 sweet in and of itself. But again, the working relationship 2477 02:17:21.200 --> 02:17:24.399 between Vince Mcmahonsonior and Eddie Graham can't be overstated. They 2478 02:17:24.440 --> 02:17:28.040 were sharing talent extensively. So Hulk's here in Florida on 2479 02:17:28.120 --> 02:17:30.000 television in Florida by virtue of the fact that he's 2480 02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:34.120 with Vince up in New York, clearly, and so it's 2481 02:17:34.200 --> 02:17:36.719 more that then this is like part of some extended 2482 02:17:36.799 --> 02:17:38.959 run that Hulk had and championship wrestling from Florida. 2483 02:17:39.360 --> 02:17:39.600 He is. 2484 02:17:40.079 --> 02:17:42.399 This is kind of part and parcel of his WWF run. 2485 02:17:43.079 --> 02:17:45.040 So if you've got this queued up, Take five with 2486 02:17:45.159 --> 02:17:47.799 Barbara Cleary, this is on the Fantastic one oh six 2487 02:17:47.920 --> 02:17:50.959 North Albany YouTube page. With all this great Florida stuff, 2488 02:17:51.479 --> 02:17:54.760 We're going to hit play three two one play. 2489 02:17:56.280 --> 02:17:58.079 Can you have any comics to make before We're gonna 2490 02:17:58.079 --> 02:18:01.280 tell you something Hulk Hogan only it's the only true 2491 02:18:01.360 --> 02:18:04.040 champion in the wrestling world today. But Hulk Hogan has 2492 02:18:04.079 --> 02:18:06.639 the biggest arm in the world, the best looking face, 2493 02:18:06.879 --> 02:18:10.440 and without a doubt, always tells the truth. Whenever you 2494 02:18:10.559 --> 02:18:12.840 hear Halk Cogan talk to you, I guarantee you, mister 2495 02:18:12.959 --> 02:18:16.760 Sully and missus Barbara, you will never you will. 2496 02:18:16.639 --> 02:18:18.920 Never ever hear me tell a lie. I got rid 2497 02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:20.079 of that and legor. 2498 02:18:19.799 --> 02:18:22.319 Goof and now I'm getting down the business. About three 2499 02:18:22.360 --> 02:18:25.200 weeks ago, there was the most biased people piece of 2500 02:18:25.319 --> 02:18:28.520 film shown, the most boasted piece of film is shown 2501 02:18:28.879 --> 02:18:32.879 Hulk Hogan down in his back getting beat by mister j. Now, 2502 02:18:33.200 --> 02:18:35.600 I went to the NBA, the review board, I went 2503 02:18:35.680 --> 02:18:37.840 to the highest part of the council, and I have 2504 02:18:38.000 --> 02:18:40.879 the film. The film in its entirety. The truth will 2505 02:18:40.920 --> 02:18:43.399 come out because Hulk Hogan never tells ol Ray. 2506 02:18:43.719 --> 02:18:46.559 Roll off sounds right. 2507 02:18:52.719 --> 02:18:56.479 On Florida end of the road and that elbow put 2508 02:18:56.600 --> 02:19:02.760 him down hard. Lord man ants too, you have to 2509 02:19:02.799 --> 02:19:03.799 take money to light. 2510 02:19:06.159 --> 02:19:09.799 Thanks dropping. So here's the same tum the same cat yep. 2511 02:19:10.319 --> 02:19:13.319 So clearly wrestling going to took this off of r 2512 02:19:13.840 --> 02:19:17.159 and the red bree says, bring it up, revert So 2513 02:19:18.559 --> 02:19:21.719 that's same brother all hutting up and put him down 2514 02:19:21.799 --> 02:19:24.399 on a body slams down. 2515 02:19:24.760 --> 02:19:26.079 Don't sound enough. 2516 02:19:26.319 --> 02:19:27.520 He's wrestling attire. 2517 02:19:37.879 --> 02:19:42.360 What's suspects territory that super body face, that everything light 2518 02:19:42.719 --> 02:19:43.840 just take that's down over. 2519 02:19:48.959 --> 02:19:49.200 Man. 2520 02:19:49.520 --> 02:19:50.840 There he goes down. 2521 02:19:57.479 --> 02:19:59.479 Crowd, that's a wun surprised A. 2522 02:19:59.760 --> 02:20:03.440 N said, rep raid trying to break aholler up, pounded 2523 02:20:03.520 --> 02:20:05.040 away with that right hand. 2524 02:20:06.799 --> 02:20:07.799 And lawa. 2525 02:20:09.799 --> 02:20:14.600 What wedding the hope No, regardless of the outcome of 2526 02:20:14.680 --> 02:20:18.639 this one, it's he that won't. 2527 02:20:18.520 --> 02:20:24.840 Hear them we just say I think so yeah, Walla 2528 02:20:25.000 --> 02:20:29.239 peppering the jacks and right and hope so the rope. 2529 02:20:29.280 --> 02:20:30.319 So we definitely didn't. 2530 02:20:30.120 --> 02:20:32.440 See us back into the rope that he sang. 2531 02:20:34.040 --> 02:20:37.200 Now the rough is down over there, James, this is 2532 02:20:37.680 --> 02:20:39.840 but you know, John said that you ahead what you 2533 02:20:39.920 --> 02:20:40.639 want to say us. 2534 02:20:40.600 --> 02:20:44.559 Yet breaks the walking stick over Lawyer's back. 2535 02:20:49.760 --> 02:20:51.879 I was so happy to the killing the tent. 2536 02:20:52.760 --> 02:20:59.799 Yeah, and a referee. Let's ring the bell so it'll 2537 02:20:59.840 --> 02:21:03.760 be had this qualification on a Hawk. 2538 02:21:06.079 --> 02:21:06.799 After the studio. 2539 02:21:08.760 --> 02:21:11.479 Now you can see the true, unheedited piece of film, 2540 02:21:11.559 --> 02:21:14.239 mister Solviy. The truth has come out. Hawk Hogan's was 2541 02:21:14.280 --> 02:21:16.879 in controlled one hundred percent of the time. I may 2542 02:21:16.920 --> 02:21:19.040 have played a little possum, but I was in control. 2543 02:21:19.360 --> 02:21:21.920 Now I've got them, Matt signed, Jerry Lawer, I am 2544 02:21:22.040 --> 02:21:24.440 ready for you. The biggest arms in the world are 2545 02:21:24.440 --> 02:21:28.239 twenty fourth python will end your wrestling career. And this time, 2546 02:21:28.360 --> 02:21:31.280 mister Jerry Lawer, this time when I clapped these arms 2547 02:21:31.319 --> 02:21:34.200 around your waist in the state of Florida, I've got them, 2548 02:21:34.280 --> 02:21:37.479 Matt signed, you are going down for the count. And 2549 02:21:37.639 --> 02:21:39.760 now that I've been on national TV one more time, 2550 02:21:40.079 --> 02:21:41.040 this show shall. 2551 02:21:40.879 --> 02:21:41.920 Go to the highest ratings. 2552 02:21:42.120 --> 02:21:46.799 And yes, mister Lawery, never again, after I clapped these huge, massive, 2553 02:21:46.879 --> 02:21:50.239 biggest arms in the world around your waist, never again 2554 02:21:50.719 --> 02:21:52.360 will you wrestle in the state of Florida. 2555 02:21:54.440 --> 02:21:55.200 What do you think of that? 2556 02:21:56.079 --> 02:21:57.000 Hopefully this will. 2557 02:21:56.920 --> 02:21:59.840 End the controversy surrounding Hawk Cogan and the film and 2558 02:22:00.159 --> 02:22:01.360 part take five for the series. 2559 02:22:02.239 --> 02:22:06.120 Great stuff. Wow, that's incredible. What stands out to you? 2560 02:22:07.239 --> 02:22:14.520 I mean, uh, the the frank they said pythons number 2561 02:22:14.559 --> 02:22:19.959 one is is is crazy. I don't think we've heard 2562 02:22:20.040 --> 02:22:25.200 that before thus far. And he says it then, so 2563 02:22:25.399 --> 02:22:34.879 he's saying it as early as it stay tuned. But 2564 02:22:36.000 --> 02:22:42.799 that and and I don't know, it's it's funny to 2565 02:22:42.879 --> 02:22:50.520 see him clearly getting better doing a promo, but also 2566 02:22:50.760 --> 02:22:55.799 so nervous and and flubbing and flubbing words and trailing 2567 02:22:55.879 --> 02:22:57.920 off at the end. Ha ha ha, what do you 2568 02:22:58.000 --> 02:22:59.719 think about? Awful? Awful? 2569 02:23:00.760 --> 02:23:05.239 And he's just he is so gratuitously mimicking the cadence 2570 02:23:05.280 --> 02:23:10.799 of Superstar Graham on this You're gonna say you're no, no, no, 2571 02:23:11.079 --> 02:23:13.760 And he's like wagging his index finger and everything. He's 2572 02:23:13.959 --> 02:23:17.559 doing the exact Billy Graham, which is different than in 2573 02:23:17.600 --> 02:23:19.680 New York because Freddy Blassi did most of the talking, 2574 02:23:19.760 --> 02:23:22.520 not all the talking, right, or Freddy Blassi would do 2575 02:23:22.520 --> 02:23:24.680 a lot of the talking for Hulk, so he didn't 2576 02:23:24.680 --> 02:23:28.840 really speak extemporaneously like we just saw much in New York. 2577 02:23:29.079 --> 02:23:32.280 So that's that's to set up the rematch. They had 2578 02:23:32.319 --> 02:23:34.760 a double count out in that one took place later 2579 02:23:34.879 --> 02:23:38.920 in nineteen eighty one, between Jerry Lawler and Hulk Cogan. 2580 02:23:38.959 --> 02:23:40.920 I said, Dusty, because guess what the main event was 2581 02:23:41.079 --> 02:23:43.959 underneath the Hull Cogan Jerry Lawler rematch, or on top 2582 02:23:44.040 --> 02:23:47.360 of it, the main event that night was Dusty Rhodes 2583 02:23:47.440 --> 02:23:49.840 versus Terry Funk for the NWA World Championship. 2584 02:23:50.440 --> 02:23:50.719 Wow. 2585 02:23:51.200 --> 02:23:53.639 So think about that. Think about how full circle that is. 2586 02:23:55.399 --> 02:23:58.319 Terry Buley is back in Dusty's orbit after just a 2587 02:23:58.399 --> 02:23:58.920 few years. 2588 02:23:59.600 --> 02:23:59.840 Yep. 2589 02:24:00.719 --> 02:24:04.280 So it's it's quite a history, suffice to say, between 2590 02:24:04.319 --> 02:24:07.319 Hulkogan and Jerry the King Lawler on this Memphis leg 2591 02:24:07.399 --> 02:24:11.520 of the journey and his book, Laura writes, obviously he 2592 02:24:11.639 --> 02:24:15.600 recalls some on Men in the Moon being reminded of 2593 02:24:15.680 --> 02:24:18.799 Hulk Hogan because Jim Carrey, as we've talked about, and 2594 02:24:18.920 --> 02:24:20.959 as the brilliant under the cinemat you put together on 2595 02:24:21.040 --> 02:24:24.479 the movie talks about oh yeah he uh Carrie was 2596 02:24:24.520 --> 02:24:28.079 in character okay on the set. Oh sure, he was 2597 02:24:28.159 --> 02:24:31.319 carrying on like he was trying to channel Andy Kauffman's 2598 02:24:31.360 --> 02:24:34.879 k fabe and yep, yeah, oh god, his best he 2599 02:24:34.920 --> 02:24:37.680 could to legitimately get under Jerry Lawler's skin between takes. 2600 02:24:38.959 --> 02:24:41.360 And there's a documentary of it and everything showing some 2601 02:24:41.440 --> 02:24:44.879 of those moments. And one of the things that Jim 2602 02:24:44.959 --> 02:24:48.079 Carrey did was Hulk Hogan adjacent. Lawla recalls it in 2603 02:24:48.120 --> 02:24:51.319 his book. Obviously carry was trying to be Andy. After 2604 02:24:51.360 --> 02:24:53.520 a while, it started to piss me off. One time 2605 02:24:53.559 --> 02:24:54.879 he did it, and he actually stuck a piece of 2606 02:24:54.920 --> 02:24:57.159 paper on my back. I was walking around the set 2607 02:24:57.200 --> 02:24:59.479 for a while with a sign on my back that said, 2608 02:25:00.040 --> 02:25:00.840 Hulk Hogan. 2609 02:25:00.639 --> 02:25:06.399 Wanna be That's That's insane. 2610 02:25:06.680 --> 02:25:10.360 Definitely not a burn that I think Lawler would have expected, Boss, 2611 02:25:11.840 --> 02:25:13.959 not at all back when he was playing these games 2612 02:25:14.040 --> 02:25:18.879 with tapes of him beating hul Cogan in Memphis. But 2613 02:25:20.040 --> 02:25:25.200 that's fun, Hulk Hogan want to be even more full 2614 02:25:25.239 --> 02:25:27.959 circle on a SmackDown taping. Lawa writes about in his 2615 02:25:28.040 --> 02:25:29.879 book This is one Hull could come in as Hollywood 2616 02:25:29.920 --> 02:25:33.319 Hogan and O two. Lawa writes SmackDown tapes on Tuesdays 2617 02:25:33.360 --> 02:25:35.239 and goes out on Thursday for fans who haven't meant 2618 02:25:35.239 --> 02:25:36.680 to a live show. They are at matches that go 2619 02:25:36.760 --> 02:25:38.639 on before the TV cameras are running that are just 2620 02:25:38.719 --> 02:25:40.319 for the benefit of the fans in the house, so 2621 02:25:40.360 --> 02:25:42.639 they're called house matches or dark matches. I was booked 2622 02:25:42.639 --> 02:25:45.520 to do a house match to the SmackDown taping in Tupelo, Mississippi, 2623 02:25:45.520 --> 02:25:47.520 the night after Raw in Memphis. I drove down with 2624 02:25:47.639 --> 02:25:50.079 my mom and my then girlfriend Joni. I've rustled Tupoulou 2625 02:25:50.159 --> 02:25:52.600 many many times, though never at the ten thousand Seed 2626 02:25:52.639 --> 02:25:54.600 arena they have now the Bank of Corpse South Center. 2627 02:25:54.840 --> 02:25:56.600 My mom and Janie had been watching from the pre 2628 02:25:56.760 --> 02:25:58.440 tape room, which is where they put together some of 2629 02:25:58.440 --> 02:26:01.000 the vignettes and posed shots of the wrestlers used in 2630 02:26:01.040 --> 02:26:03.399 the graphics before the matches. When I got back there, 2631 02:26:03.639 --> 02:26:06.399 Hulk Hogan was in the room fixing himself a cup 2632 02:26:06.440 --> 02:26:06.959 of coffee. 2633 02:26:07.040 --> 02:26:10.280 I can picture that. Oh boy, oh my god, the 2634 02:26:10.360 --> 02:26:12.879 strategic nature going on. What's going on? Dude? 2635 02:26:12.959 --> 02:26:15.959 Oh hey, wan A couple wanle to cover of the 2636 02:26:16.000 --> 02:26:20.159 Jizo bro. Can you imagine like the sank of steam 2637 02:26:20.239 --> 02:26:24.040 and his mustache hair. Oh, I mean you you know 2638 02:26:24.319 --> 02:26:27.159 all day that Terry had a coffee Okay, if you're 2639 02:26:27.159 --> 02:26:29.799 anywhere around him, mm hmmm, because of the way that 2640 02:26:29.959 --> 02:26:34.559 those fibers preserve the essential oils and. 2641 02:26:36.239 --> 02:26:36.799 Grounds. 2642 02:26:37.799 --> 02:26:40.479 Oh yes, sheep cup of coffee and catering that he got. 2643 02:26:40.760 --> 02:26:42.479 And you know he's strategic about when he gets to 2644 02:26:42.479 --> 02:26:45.040 get coffee. You know he yes, pretended he had to 2645 02:26:45.040 --> 02:26:46.479 go get a coffee because he wanted to get out 2646 02:26:46.520 --> 02:26:49.159 of having to talk to somebody, you know. Yes, So 2647 02:26:49.239 --> 02:26:51.920 there he is fixing himself a cup of coffee. Now, 2648 02:26:52.000 --> 02:26:54.600 how can I go way way back, Lawla writes, and 2649 02:26:54.639 --> 02:26:57.000 I know him as Terry. I wanted to introduce Terry 2650 02:26:57.000 --> 02:26:59.920 to my mom. Terry was great, really gracious and friendly. 2651 02:27:00.120 --> 02:27:01.879 He told my mom that her son had given him 2652 02:27:01.879 --> 02:27:05.399 his first real break in the business. That's a list 2653 02:27:05.440 --> 02:27:07.799 of about forty people long at this point. I mean 2654 02:27:09.040 --> 02:27:12.440 anybody Hogan met, anyone who didn't give him a break, 2655 02:27:12.799 --> 02:27:15.959 anyone who didn't point him in the direction that ultimately 2656 02:27:16.040 --> 02:27:18.840 led to fame and fortune. He recalled the time he 2657 02:27:18.920 --> 02:27:20.920 had worked in the Mid South Colosseum in Memphis almost 2658 02:27:20.959 --> 02:27:24.239 thirty years before. At the time, he was an inexperienced 2659 02:27:24.280 --> 02:27:26.760 young wrestler and I had, in his words quote, thrown 2660 02:27:26.840 --> 02:27:30.200 him to the lions. He's very cool of Hulk to 2661 02:27:30.200 --> 02:27:34.760 say those nice things about me to my mom. But 2662 02:27:34.879 --> 02:27:40.879 all that, all that revisitation of Memphis almost didn't happen 2663 02:27:41.520 --> 02:27:43.760 because back in nineteen seventy nine, after his brush with 2664 02:27:43.879 --> 02:27:47.000 Jerry Lawler and teeming with Ed Boulder, just like his 2665 02:27:47.120 --> 02:27:50.760 first brush with Dusty, it wasn't all adding up in 2666 02:27:50.840 --> 02:27:54.799 the wrestling business for Terry Bolea and Boss Tampa was 2667 02:27:54.840 --> 02:27:55.719 calling once again. 2668 02:27:56.440 --> 02:27:56.719 Brother. 2669 02:27:57.280 --> 02:27:59.959 But before we take it to Holt's book to get 2670 02:28:00.040 --> 02:28:03.360 an idea of what I mean by that, we want 2671 02:28:03.399 --> 02:28:09.040 to remind you, just for clarity's sake, that according to 2672 02:28:09.120 --> 02:28:11.280 Jerry Lawler and Jerry Jarrett, they put the money out 2673 02:28:11.639 --> 02:28:15.360 for that Lincoln Continental, so we'll help be driving in 2674 02:28:15.440 --> 02:28:17.399 Memphis and we're not to find out. Let's turn to 2675 02:28:17.479 --> 02:28:21.840 Terry's second book because, like I said, once again, despite 2676 02:28:21.879 --> 02:28:25.959 all of the promise that we've seen glimpses of when 2677 02:28:26.000 --> 02:28:29.440 he's in the ring working with Jerry Lawler as a 2678 02:28:29.520 --> 02:28:32.360 partner on the microphone with Lance Russell and the Memphis 2679 02:28:32.399 --> 02:28:35.639 TV studio, Hulk is once again wondering if this wrestling 2680 02:28:35.719 --> 02:28:38.479 thing is for him. Okay, this is yeah, it's time 2681 02:28:38.559 --> 02:28:41.440 for one last gut check for Terry Bullet in the 2682 02:28:41.479 --> 02:28:43.879 wrestling business. And here in his second book is how 2683 02:28:43.920 --> 02:28:45.280 he describes his thought process. 2684 02:28:46.479 --> 02:28:49.639 The thing is, there's no security in wrestling. I always 2685 02:28:49.719 --> 02:28:51.639 knew that. I didn't think I cared because at least 2686 02:28:51.680 --> 02:28:55.319 it was one of those regular jobs with a period 2687 02:28:55.319 --> 02:28:59.280 at the end of the sentence. I don't know what 2688 02:28:59.399 --> 02:29:02.680 that means. I don't know. Maybe he means a cap salary. 2689 02:29:02.760 --> 02:29:06.159 I don't know. I've never heard that phrase before, a 2690 02:29:06.520 --> 02:29:08.600 regular job with a period at the end of the sentence. 2691 02:29:10.840 --> 02:29:13.520 But even at the Memphis level, it was much more 2692 02:29:13.559 --> 02:29:15.879 of a fly by night business than I ever imagined. 2693 02:29:16.399 --> 02:29:18.760 There were nights when you'd walk into some building to 2694 02:29:18.840 --> 02:29:21.120 go to go to work for a promoter, and rather 2695 02:29:21.239 --> 02:29:24.479 than it being a smart businessman or maybe a former 2696 02:29:24.520 --> 02:29:27.479 wrestler who wanted to make some of himself, it would 2697 02:29:27.479 --> 02:29:31.680 be just some guy who owns an electrical supply company 2698 02:29:31.879 --> 02:29:34.879 who happens to promote wrestling on the side. Wrestling was 2699 02:29:34.959 --> 02:29:38.360 my life. I wanted to grow my fan base, sell 2700 02:29:38.360 --> 02:29:41.399 all bigger arenas, and make more money, you know. I 2701 02:29:41.520 --> 02:29:45.280 wanted to keep moving forward. How could that happen while 2702 02:29:45.280 --> 02:29:52.159 I wasn't in charge of my own destiny? Okay, and 2703 02:29:52.280 --> 02:29:54.639 when the men who were in charge were t treating 2704 02:29:54.680 --> 02:29:57.959 him like a side gig or were too small minded 2705 02:29:58.040 --> 02:30:00.879 to see anything above and beyond what they were already 2706 02:30:00.959 --> 02:30:04.680 doing in whatever tiny little territory they considered their domain. 2707 02:30:05.440 --> 02:30:08.559 I kept obsessing over and complaining, mostly to myself, that 2708 02:30:08.680 --> 02:30:11.360 things should be better. You know, it didn't. I didn't 2709 02:30:11.399 --> 02:30:16.879 know how to fix it though. Oh no, sorry. I 2710 02:30:16.920 --> 02:30:19.120 didn't know how to fix it though, And it really 2711 02:30:19.319 --> 02:30:21.440 it didn't really make any uh. And I didn't really 2712 02:30:21.520 --> 02:30:24.200 make any effort to take control. I didn't know how. 2713 02:30:25.239 --> 02:30:27.639 Plus it was just so weird to walk in every 2714 02:30:27.719 --> 02:30:30.280 night and know that if you got cut or got hurt, 2715 02:30:30.760 --> 02:30:32.280 it was up to you to go to the doctor. 2716 02:30:32.719 --> 02:30:36.200 There's no insurance, there's no retirement plan, none that none 2717 02:30:36.200 --> 02:30:39.440 of the stability was that I quote normal job has, 2718 02:30:40.360 --> 02:30:42.479 and there was no structure to it. I started to 2719 02:30:42.520 --> 02:30:44.799 feel like there was nobody there to back me up 2720 02:30:45.120 --> 02:30:48.280 if I ever needed help to be a wrestler meant 2721 02:30:48.399 --> 02:30:51.639 that everything you had, your future, your health, your sanity, 2722 02:30:51.760 --> 02:30:54.319 all of it was stuff in this little bag you 2723 02:30:54.479 --> 02:30:57.479 carried with your boots and your tights. You'd put on 2724 02:30:57.600 --> 02:31:01.559 this costume and to go to go like a dancing monkey. 2725 02:31:02.159 --> 02:31:04.959 Then you take the costume off, get paid, and move 2726 02:31:05.000 --> 02:31:09.639 on on the next town circus. To look around at 2727 02:31:09.680 --> 02:31:12.360 this sold out arena, to hear them roar and chant 2728 02:31:12.399 --> 02:31:15.319 your name, to know that they're walking out there with 2729 02:31:15.440 --> 02:31:17.440 their buddies, were living every moment of the show that 2730 02:31:17.559 --> 02:31:19.440 you put on, just like Vick and I used to 2731 02:31:19.479 --> 02:31:21.840 do when we left the armory back in Tampa, when 2732 02:31:22.200 --> 02:31:25.040 back in Tampa's kids. And then after all that, I 2733 02:31:25.120 --> 02:31:27.479 got hands you twenty five bucks and says see you 2734 02:31:27.600 --> 02:31:31.840 next week. It all seemed like a letdown after a while. 2735 02:31:32.680 --> 02:31:35.479 The rays up to one hundred bucks or so didn't 2736 02:31:35.479 --> 02:31:37.440 make it any better. You know, they were still just 2737 02:31:37.559 --> 02:31:39.639 the price of a few seats, and that whole arena 2738 02:31:40.120 --> 02:31:42.639 was that all I was worth. I know, I knew 2739 02:31:42.639 --> 02:31:45.000 a good portion of those fans were there to see me. 2740 02:31:45.239 --> 02:31:48.200 We're there to see me. I had built a following. 2741 02:31:48.479 --> 02:31:51.159 I was the one out doing spots on TV and 2742 02:31:51.239 --> 02:31:53.799 helping them to promote this whole thing, this whole thing, 2743 02:31:54.280 --> 02:31:57.200 another whole thing, right, this thing, this whole thing, this thing. 2744 02:31:57.760 --> 02:32:00.479 I knew I deserved more, I knew I was worth more. 2745 02:32:00.920 --> 02:32:03.559 So what it was clear that there were no giant 2746 02:32:03.719 --> 02:32:07.319 raises in my future. I took a step back, yes, 2747 02:32:09.200 --> 02:32:14.159 and tried to reevaluate this whole situation. My conclusion. Wrestling 2748 02:32:14.239 --> 02:32:17.680 for no money sucks. So that was it. So that 2749 02:32:17.879 --> 02:32:20.719 was that, once again, I decided to quit. I drove 2750 02:32:20.799 --> 02:32:23.959 back to Tampa, where where I'd always return whenever we 2751 02:32:24.040 --> 02:32:26.479 had a few days off. This time I really thought 2752 02:32:26.559 --> 02:32:29.639 I was quitting for good. So that was that, once 2753 02:32:29.680 --> 02:32:34.600 again I decided to quit. I heard you, I heard you, Terry. 2754 02:32:34.760 --> 02:32:36.760 Oh no, they said this is actually an accidental repeat. 2755 02:32:36.760 --> 02:32:39.159 I think, oh, okay, got it. 2756 02:32:40.399 --> 02:32:44.479 So he's having it's not adding up, mister math Mister 2757 02:32:44.879 --> 02:32:47.719 worked at the bank and starting to think I'm gonna 2758 02:32:47.760 --> 02:32:50.760 quit again because he's wrestling for no money sucks, And 2759 02:32:50.879 --> 02:32:56.040 in Tampa, you know, he sends his opportunity, he sends 2760 02:32:56.040 --> 02:32:59.159 his a chance to swell his wallet. And hell, there's 2761 02:32:59.200 --> 02:33:01.719 the fringe benefit that if he leaves Memphis behind. Not 2762 02:33:01.760 --> 02:33:03.799 only is he leaving behind what he thinks is a 2763 02:33:03.879 --> 02:33:07.399 neutered opportunities, also leaving behind some debts. According to Jerry Lawler, 2764 02:33:08.799 --> 02:33:09.239 came through. 2765 02:33:09.159 --> 02:33:11.360 The church story for I appreciate period of time. 2766 02:33:13.440 --> 02:33:15.520 My memory is that Jerry Jarrett and I co signed 2767 02:33:15.559 --> 02:33:17.719 for Huk's first car and we never got reimbursed. 2768 02:33:17.760 --> 02:33:20.079 Wh let's gipp that on of course. 2769 02:33:19.879 --> 02:33:21.879 And Hope, you know, you made all this big money, 2770 02:33:21.920 --> 02:33:23.079 can at least pay Hi back for that car. 2771 02:33:23.799 --> 02:33:23.920 Uh. 2772 02:33:25.200 --> 02:33:25.239 No. 2773 02:33:26.079 --> 02:33:29.399 I remember when when Hope first came in. 2774 02:33:32.079 --> 02:33:34.639 You know, I can't remember if he came to us 2775 02:33:34.760 --> 02:33:38.440 from Florida or if he I believe he did, uh, 2776 02:33:38.840 --> 02:33:39.840 and then went from Us. 2777 02:33:39.920 --> 02:33:41.840 Up to vern and then of course verned to UH 2778 02:33:42.200 --> 02:33:42.719 to Vince. 2779 02:33:43.159 --> 02:33:46.719 But he was one of those guys that when you 2780 02:33:46.840 --> 02:33:48.680 when you saw him, you knew that it was gonna 2781 02:33:48.719 --> 02:33:50.959 he was gonna be something special. Just lookause he had 2782 02:33:51.000 --> 02:33:53.920 such a unique look, uh and and the and the 2783 02:33:54.120 --> 02:33:56.479 voice and and at this time he was really just. 2784 02:33:59.159 --> 02:34:01.559 He was just because coming the holp, you know. 2785 02:34:01.639 --> 02:34:04.000 And I think we kind of helped shape and molding 2786 02:34:04.760 --> 02:34:08.120 along that road by doing some you know, we were 2787 02:34:08.440 --> 02:34:11.120 one of the first companies that sort of innovated the 2788 02:34:11.840 --> 02:34:15.520 wrestling vignettes or the music videos and that sort of thing. 2789 02:34:17.079 --> 02:34:18.719 To help get guys over. 2790 02:34:18.799 --> 02:34:24.079 We always felt that that that you could do more 2791 02:34:24.159 --> 02:34:26.799 than just have somebody beat somebody in the ring to 2792 02:34:26.879 --> 02:34:28.239 help them get over with the people. 2793 02:34:28.280 --> 02:34:32.159 And and we did some really really entertaining and great 2794 02:34:32.200 --> 02:34:34.000 little videos on the Hulk. 2795 02:34:34.520 --> 02:34:38.959 And you know, at the time it was there, Memphis 2796 02:34:39.120 --> 02:34:43.559 was just Memphis was a great place to work. I mean, 2797 02:34:43.600 --> 02:34:45.959 you get a lot of work there, but it was 2798 02:34:46.159 --> 02:34:49.200 not ever a place that you were going to make 2799 02:34:49.239 --> 02:34:50.319 a lot of money at that time. 2800 02:34:50.879 --> 02:34:55.200 And you you had to really want to be there 2801 02:34:55.600 --> 02:35:00.680 and want to you know, improve your skill or. 2802 02:35:00.680 --> 02:35:02.120 Whatever, and know that that's what we were going to 2803 02:35:02.159 --> 02:35:04.079 get to do there, because certainly weren't going to get 2804 02:35:04.120 --> 02:35:04.440 rich there. 2805 02:35:04.520 --> 02:35:05.079 They just weren't. 2806 02:35:05.559 --> 02:35:07.920 There were a lot of wrestlers there, the payoffs were 2807 02:35:07.959 --> 02:35:11.840 spread in and uh, you know, even though we wrestle 2808 02:35:11.879 --> 02:35:15.680 every night that the houses were uh a lot of 2809 02:35:15.760 --> 02:35:18.200 times not all that big and and so the payoffs 2810 02:35:18.239 --> 02:35:18.920 were not that great. 2811 02:35:19.360 --> 02:35:23.479 And and I think that that helped realized after he 2812 02:35:23.559 --> 02:35:24.639 was there for a while that he just. 2813 02:35:24.680 --> 02:35:26.719 Anyway, he just didn't think he was making enough money 2814 02:35:27.079 --> 02:35:28.879 and was going to try to go on somewhere where 2815 02:35:28.879 --> 02:35:31.079 he could make more money in and then of course 2816 02:35:31.120 --> 02:35:33.959 he went on up for for Verne Gun yet and 2817 02:35:34.120 --> 02:35:37.000 then and then came back through after he was uh, 2818 02:35:37.399 --> 02:35:39.239 after he was the Hulk, and we had some we 2819 02:35:39.319 --> 02:35:41.399 had some He and I had some pretty memorable matches 2820 02:35:41.479 --> 02:35:44.559 in and and you know, I like to think that 2821 02:35:45.000 --> 02:35:48.200 I think that he would say that he probably learned 2822 02:35:48.200 --> 02:35:50.319 a little bit working working with me. We had had 2823 02:35:50.360 --> 02:35:53.559 some pretty good matches. And uh, you know, a lot 2824 02:35:53.600 --> 02:35:58.520 of people knock Terry, but I I, you know, I 2825 02:35:58.959 --> 02:35:59.680 can't knock the guy. 2826 02:35:59.760 --> 02:36:05.440 He's that he's probably the best self promoter that has 2827 02:36:05.479 --> 02:36:08.000 ever come along in this business. And that's what you 2828 02:36:08.120 --> 02:36:11.000 have to be in this business to be successful. Nobody's 2829 02:36:11.040 --> 02:36:11.879 done it anybody day. 2830 02:36:12.600 --> 02:36:17.079 And he made a lot of money for himself, made 2831 02:36:17.079 --> 02:36:20.559 a lot of money for other companies, and and really 2832 02:36:20.719 --> 02:36:24.319 helped bring a lot of attentions to this business. 2833 02:36:25.440 --> 02:36:28.280 So, you know, I long says the more power to him. 2834 02:36:29.319 --> 02:36:32.239 So there it is all in one big long sound bite. 2835 02:36:32.680 --> 02:36:35.600 Addresses the low pay and how that was just kind 2836 02:36:35.600 --> 02:36:37.399 of something that was the case in Memphis, you know, 2837 02:36:37.799 --> 02:36:39.959 kind of front running what he knew. Hulk felt about 2838 02:36:39.959 --> 02:36:43.399 how he was not being necessarily fairly compensated, well at 2839 02:36:43.399 --> 02:36:45.639 the same time saying the reason he left Alabama for 2840 02:36:45.719 --> 02:36:49.239 Memphis was because he was being so incredibly fairly compensated. 2841 02:36:49.360 --> 02:36:51.799 But for Hulk, he's starting to learn that if you 2842 02:36:51.920 --> 02:36:54.040 act dissatisfied with your pay, it only goes up. 2843 02:36:58.040 --> 02:36:58.239 Yeah. 2844 02:36:58.319 --> 02:37:01.719 I think that's registering there because he's started to realize 2845 02:37:01.760 --> 02:37:03.719 it as much smoke as promoters will blow up his 2846 02:37:03.799 --> 02:37:06.000 ass about how they see potential. But he's green and 2847 02:37:06.040 --> 02:37:07.239 there's a lot of work to do, so we need 2848 02:37:07.280 --> 02:37:10.719 to underpay you. He's like, no, no, actually, I can 2849 02:37:11.079 --> 02:37:13.520 basically become a highest paid guy in territory and you'll 2850 02:37:13.520 --> 02:37:15.639 still push the shit out of me because you know, 2851 02:37:15.760 --> 02:37:17.000 if you put a guy that looks like me in 2852 02:37:17.040 --> 02:37:20.319 front of your audience, you're gonna sell tickets. Yeah, he's 2853 02:37:20.360 --> 02:37:23.159 already hip to that after just you know what, seven 2854 02:37:23.159 --> 02:37:25.920 eight months back in the business, and that will be 2855 02:37:26.360 --> 02:37:28.479 the story in so many ways of him trucking off 2856 02:37:29.239 --> 02:37:32.639 from Memphis. So, I mean, basically, if you look at 2857 02:37:32.639 --> 02:37:35.440 his wrestling data list of matches, there's a match on 2858 02:37:35.559 --> 02:37:39.239 June's sixteenth in Chattanooga against Terry Gordy, which God damn it. 2859 02:37:40.120 --> 02:37:42.440 Do I invite you to consider Terry Boulder versus Terry 2860 02:37:42.479 --> 02:37:44.520 Gordy in nineteen seventy nine. It's kind of like the 2861 02:37:44.719 --> 02:37:48.040 Dennis Condury match we talked about, Yeah, and then it's 2862 02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:50.760 July fourteenth, seventy nine Terry Boulder and Ed Boulder over 2863 02:37:50.799 --> 02:37:54.159 the Destroyer and Buddy Wayne. July sixteenth, Mid South Colosseum 2864 02:37:54.200 --> 02:37:56.360 in Memphis, Terry Boulder and Ed Boulder over Ron Bass 2865 02:37:56.360 --> 02:37:58.879 in Pete Austin which we looked at, and then then 2866 02:37:58.920 --> 02:38:02.079 Evansville on July eighteenth of seventy nine, and Indiana. The 2867 02:38:02.200 --> 02:38:06.040 Hangman versus Terry Boulder is recorded as winner unknown two below. 2868 02:38:06.120 --> 02:38:09.079 July twentieth, seventy nine. Terry Ed Boulder, Steve Regal and 2869 02:38:09.159 --> 02:38:12.440 Randy Tyler versus the Gestapo, Hans Schroder, Ron Bass and 2870 02:38:12.479 --> 02:38:16.479 Pete Austin when are unknown July twenty four, seventy nine, Jackson, Tennessee, 2871 02:38:16.760 --> 02:38:20.079 Lawler Terry and Ed Boulder over Ron Bass, Pete Austin 2872 02:38:20.159 --> 02:38:23.680 and Danny Davis, Memphis, July twenty third, seventy nine, Mid 2873 02:38:23.760 --> 02:38:26.559 South Coliseum, Ed and Terry Boulder over Ron Bass and 2874 02:38:26.600 --> 02:38:31.040 Pete Austin. July twenty fourth, Louisville Gardens, Louisville, Kentucky. Terry 2875 02:38:31.079 --> 02:38:33.000 and Ed Boulder over, Ron Bass and Pete Austin are 2876 02:38:33.040 --> 02:38:38.000 actually win or unknown. Evansville July twenty fifth, seventy nine Hulkan, 2877 02:38:38.120 --> 02:38:40.840 Ed Boulder versus Ron Bass and Pete Austin win are unknown. 2878 02:38:41.719 --> 02:38:44.760 July twenty six Boonville, Mississippi. Terry and Ed Boulder defeat 2879 02:38:44.879 --> 02:38:49.079 Hans Schroeder and the Gestapo July twenty sixth, Booneville and Mississippi. 2880 02:38:49.479 --> 02:38:52.559 It's part of a multiple person match here. Bill Dundy 2881 02:38:52.639 --> 02:38:55.120 and Jerry Lawler defeated Buddy, Wayne and Danny Davis and 2882 02:38:55.440 --> 02:39:00.559 Ed Boulder and Eddie Gilbert and Elie Martin, Eddie Martin, Comarlin, 2883 02:39:00.959 --> 02:39:04.200 Gestapo Schroeder, Jerry Jarrett, Ken, Wayne, Larry Latham, Pete Austin, 2884 02:39:04.200 --> 02:39:07.120 Ready Tyler, Ricky Morton, Ron Bass, Steve Regal and Terry 2885 02:39:07.239 --> 02:39:09.719 Boulder as well as Tommy Gilbert and Wayne Ferris in 2886 02:39:09.760 --> 02:39:14.159 a battle Royal two below July twenty seventh, nineteen seventy nine. 2887 02:39:14.239 --> 02:39:16.680 Terry Ned Boulder win are unknown against Ron Bass and 2888 02:39:16.680 --> 02:39:20.200 Pete Austin. July thirtieth, Mid South Coliseum, Memphis, Ron Bass 2889 02:39:20.239 --> 02:39:23.120 as the NWA Southern Heavyweight Champion. The Mid America version 2890 02:39:23.120 --> 02:39:26.399 of the championship defeats Terry Boulder and Terry's first title 2891 02:39:26.440 --> 02:39:29.600 crack in Memphis, July thirty, first seventy nine. Terry Ned 2892 02:39:29.639 --> 02:39:31.760 Bolder versus Ron Bass and Pete Austin Win are unknown. 2893 02:39:31.799 --> 02:39:36.680 In Louisville, then to August Evansville August first, seventy nine, Hulkin, 2894 02:39:36.799 --> 02:39:39.360 Ed Boulder versus Ron Bass and Pete Austin Win or 2895 02:39:39.399 --> 02:39:44.879 unknown August second, nineteen seventy nine. Ropperena Lexington, Terry and 2896 02:39:44.959 --> 02:39:48.559 Need Boulder versus Ron Bass and Pete Austin Win are unknown. Blitheville, 2897 02:39:48.600 --> 02:39:52.399 August third, seventy nine. Tommy Gilbert and Terry Boulder defeat 2898 02:39:52.479 --> 02:39:54.639 Ron Bass and Pete Austin so Tommy Gilbert filling in 2899 02:39:54.680 --> 02:39:57.959 for Ed Boulder for some reason on that night. Chat Nooga, 2900 02:39:58.000 --> 02:40:00.840 August fifth, seventy nine. Tony Perkins and Jerry Ralph versus 2901 02:40:01.159 --> 02:40:05.520 the Magnificent Hulk of Magnificent Ulk. There is no evidence 2902 02:40:05.559 --> 02:40:09.959 that he was at times called the Magnificent Hulk as well. Memphis, 2903 02:40:10.000 --> 02:40:12.639 Mid South Colisseum August sixth seventy nine. Terry Boulder and 2904 02:40:12.760 --> 02:40:16.000 Jackie Fargo. That's a pairing if I've ever heard one, 2905 02:40:16.360 --> 02:40:19.680 the Memphis legend, that's like Terry Boulder teaming up with 2906 02:40:19.840 --> 02:40:23.719 I don't know, verne Gania or Yea lu Fez or 2907 02:40:23.920 --> 02:40:28.600 Jack Briscoe or something. Defeating Ron Bass and Sunny King. Louisville, 2908 02:40:28.639 --> 02:40:31.520 August seventh, Terry Boulder defeats Ron Bass by a d 2909 02:40:31.719 --> 02:40:35.440 Q for the Southern Heavyweight title in Louisville Gardens. So 2910 02:40:35.479 --> 02:40:38.920 you're starting to see Terry break off in a singles action. Evansville, 2911 02:40:38.920 --> 02:40:41.200 August eighth, Ron Bass and Terry Boulder for the championship 2912 02:40:41.239 --> 02:40:45.600 winner unknown. August tenth, seventy nine, Tupelo, Mississippi, Ron Bass first, 2913 02:40:45.680 --> 02:40:48.719 Terry Boulder win or unknown. August thirteenth, seventy nine, Mid 2914 02:40:48.760 --> 02:40:52.040 South Colisseum Bass first Boulder ended without a winner and 2915 02:40:52.120 --> 02:40:55.280 a no contest for the championship. Louisville, August fourteenth, Terry 2916 02:40:55.319 --> 02:40:59.040 ned Boulder beat Sunny King and Ron Bass. Tupelo, August seventeenth, 2917 02:40:59.159 --> 02:41:03.000 Terry ned Boulder versus Bason King won a unknown. Owensboro, Kentucky, 2918 02:41:03.040 --> 02:41:05.639 August eighteenth, Ron Bass first Terry Boulder for the championship 2919 02:41:05.680 --> 02:41:09.680 win a unknown August twentieth, Mid South Colisseum Terry Boulder 2920 02:41:09.719 --> 02:41:12.399 defeats Sunny King, a match we saw clips of during 2921 02:41:12.440 --> 02:41:16.680 the course of our Memphis slate. Louisville, August twenty first, 2922 02:41:16.680 --> 02:41:20.719 seventy nine, Bass and Boulder ended in a no contest. Evansville, 2923 02:41:20.719 --> 02:41:23.040 August twenty second, Bass and Boulder went a unknown for 2924 02:41:23.079 --> 02:41:28.360 the championship. Helena, Arkansas, August twenty third, Hulk NN at 2925 02:41:28.399 --> 02:41:30.719 Boulder for Sunny King and Pete Austin win a unknown. 2926 02:41:31.280 --> 02:41:36.000 Helena August twenty third, seventy nine Battle Royal win a unknown, 2927 02:41:36.040 --> 02:41:39.200 but Hulk part of the seventeen man slate very similar 2928 02:41:39.239 --> 02:41:41.479 to the moment we just read off two Blow. August 2929 02:41:41.520 --> 02:41:44.799 twenty fourth, Bill Dundee and Terry Boulder team together to 2930 02:41:44.920 --> 02:41:47.639 face Ron Bass and Sunny King win a unknown. The 2931 02:41:47.719 --> 02:41:50.000 Memphis TV tapings in August twenty fifth at the WMC 2932 02:41:50.079 --> 02:41:52.799 Studio saw Tommy Gilbert and Terry Boulder team together defeat 2933 02:41:53.000 --> 02:41:56.120 Pete Austin and Buddy Wayne. August twenty seventh at the 2934 02:41:56.120 --> 02:41:59.079 Mid South Coliseum saw Terry Boulder and Tommy Gilbert defeat 2935 02:41:59.120 --> 02:42:01.479 the future Hunky Tongue Man, Wayne Ferris and Larry Latham 2936 02:42:02.159 --> 02:42:06.639 and an aw A Southern Tag Team Championship match Louisville, Kentucky, 2937 02:42:06.680 --> 02:42:09.479 August twenty eighth, Terry Boulder over Sunny King Evansville August 2938 02:42:09.479 --> 02:42:12.479 twenty ninth Sunny King versus Terry Boulder winner unknown. August 2939 02:42:12.520 --> 02:42:15.280 thirty first Sunny King versus Terry Boulder winner unknown in 2940 02:42:15.319 --> 02:42:21.040 two below and then September Jones Burrow, Arkansas, September one, 2941 02:42:21.200 --> 02:42:25.159 Terry Gordy and Michael Hayes The Fabulous free Birds defeat 2942 02:42:25.239 --> 02:42:27.840 Terry Boulder and Steve reeg That's a match to see. 2943 02:42:29.760 --> 02:42:35.120 Man Birmingham, Alabama, September ninth, third seventy nine has talked 2944 02:42:35.120 --> 02:42:40.280 about Dennis Condry versus Incredible Hulk. Louisville, Kentucky September fourth, 2945 02:42:40.360 --> 02:42:43.559 seventy nine. Wayne Ferris and Larry Latham, the WA Southern 2946 02:42:43.600 --> 02:42:46.959 Tag Team Champions defeat Terry Boulder and Tommy Gilbert and 2947 02:42:47.000 --> 02:42:50.559 then Evansville, Indiana September fifth, seventy nine, Wayne Ferris and 2948 02:42:50.639 --> 02:42:54.840 Latham over Boulder and Gilbert. And finally September sixth, seventy nine, 2949 02:42:55.000 --> 02:42:59.360 rupp Areena Lexington, Kentucky. Ron Bass defeats Terry Boulder on 2950 02:42:59.520 --> 02:43:03.799 Terry Boulder way out of the territory. So it's back 2951 02:43:03.840 --> 02:43:07.719 to Tampa, Boss. It's back to Tampa for Terry Boulet 2952 02:43:07.959 --> 02:43:11.040 to see about the docks. And there was an old 2953 02:43:11.079 --> 02:43:15.000 friend Terry and Ed had left behind and Tampa. 2954 02:43:15.159 --> 02:43:15.319 Huh. 2955 02:43:15.760 --> 02:43:19.200 His friend had fallen on hard times. He'd gotten divorced, 2956 02:43:19.440 --> 02:43:23.120 a nasty breakup. The golf courses that he franchised down 2957 02:43:23.159 --> 02:43:26.120 there had been shut down by the city. His weight 2958 02:43:26.239 --> 02:43:28.920 was getting out of control, and his spirit was broken. 2959 02:43:30.040 --> 02:43:32.280 In fact, he had driven his white Volkswagen out to 2960 02:43:32.360 --> 02:43:35.360 the iconic Skyway Bridge in Tampa after going on a 2961 02:43:35.440 --> 02:43:39.079 serious coke bender that had him up for days. There 2962 02:43:39.120 --> 02:43:42.360 were concrete barriers preventing cars from driving off the bridge 2963 02:43:42.399 --> 02:43:45.159 back then, but he felt he could get around them. 2964 02:43:47.000 --> 02:43:49.840 And as this person told our friend Brad Beluccian in 2965 02:43:49.920 --> 02:43:52.680 this piece of audio that Brad sent us from research 2966 02:43:52.719 --> 02:43:55.280 for his book The six Pack. A reminder, by the way, 2967 02:43:55.920 --> 02:43:58.360 that Brad is offering any lapsed fan listener who joins 2968 02:43:58.399 --> 02:44:01.520 his patreon dot com slash the Brad Pack Patreon a 2969 02:44:01.639 --> 02:44:04.799 free personalized and autographed book plate as part of our 2970 02:44:04.879 --> 02:44:08.879 cooperation here on the complete Hull Kelgan. You told this 2971 02:44:09.200 --> 02:44:10.280 to Brad and. 2972 02:44:10.360 --> 02:44:11.760 I drove all the way out at the end. 2973 02:44:11.840 --> 02:44:17.280 This is it was late skill dark out, and I 2974 02:44:17.319 --> 02:44:19.280 don't know where my head was, but I remember getting 2975 02:44:19.280 --> 02:44:23.799 out there and I'm in a white Volkswagen and I 2976 02:44:23.879 --> 02:44:28.360 could push the side of the deal and the thing 2977 02:44:29.360 --> 02:44:31.399 pivoted and I could get around it. And I was 2978 02:44:31.479 --> 02:44:34.319 just going to drive and drive off the fucking thing. 2979 02:44:35.440 --> 02:44:36.559 Maybe nobody even. 2980 02:44:36.399 --> 02:44:39.000 Know, you know, but that's how fucked up I was. 2981 02:44:39.079 --> 02:44:40.719 And all of a sudden, it's like this is happening 2982 02:44:41.319 --> 02:44:43.719 and I can't stop it. And next thing I know, 2983 02:44:43.840 --> 02:44:47.040 the sun's coming up and there's birds coming around hitting 2984 02:44:47.040 --> 02:44:49.479 the water, Helkin saying all that, and it's getting brighter, 2985 02:44:49.559 --> 02:44:52.680 and I'm crying. I'm just I've been up a couple 2986 02:44:52.719 --> 02:44:54.360 of days and we're just wired. 2987 02:44:55.840 --> 02:44:57.520 Somehow. I got I got in the car and I 2988 02:44:57.639 --> 02:44:58.079 drove home. 2989 02:45:00.040 --> 02:45:04.040 So Terry at that particular time, Terry and Beefcake are 2990 02:45:04.120 --> 02:45:08.000 up in Tennessee and they're eddy Boulder and they're taken off. 2991 02:45:09.280 --> 02:45:11.079 They're doing there. It's going good. 2992 02:45:11.120 --> 02:45:13.360 But then for a couple of days they had a 2993 02:45:13.399 --> 02:45:15.319 big Lincoln at the time, I remember that, and he 2994 02:45:15.520 --> 02:45:16.719 had it for a little while. They had a big 2995 02:45:18.040 --> 02:45:20.879 Lincoln town car because they hit a post and piss 2996 02:45:20.920 --> 02:45:23.120 some people off. And they had a poor sugar at 2997 02:45:23.120 --> 02:45:24.719 one of the beach bars. And a guy comes out 2998 02:45:24.760 --> 02:45:26.559 and all of a sudden, he just he wouldn't say 2999 02:45:26.559 --> 02:45:28.879 a word, and then Terry starts tying his shoes on 3000 02:45:29.079 --> 02:45:31.399 his on the bumper sport. 3001 02:45:32.399 --> 02:45:35.120 Anyway, it's old another story, and then the place burned down. 3002 02:45:35.639 --> 02:45:38.079 So anyway, so they come in. 3003 02:45:39.239 --> 02:45:41.520 I get home, it's probably ten or eleven o'clock in 3004 02:45:41.559 --> 02:45:44.079 the morning, and I just crash in the you know, 3005 02:45:44.159 --> 02:45:45.920 the doors and lock and on it. They come blowing 3006 02:45:46.000 --> 02:45:50.600 in about right afternoon. Yeah, you know, I always loud, 3007 02:45:51.799 --> 02:45:54.239 and I'm just fucked up. They have no idea what 3008 02:45:54.360 --> 02:45:57.840 I've been to, and Beefcake knows it, and I can't 3009 02:45:58.000 --> 02:46:00.319 fuck it. I'm like, oh fuck, I can't. And you know, 3010 02:46:00.520 --> 02:46:04.680 fuck with these guys. And Beefcake is just on my ass. 3011 02:46:04.879 --> 02:46:07.200 I mean, and he's just and he's look at you, 3012 02:46:07.719 --> 02:46:11.000 and they're just he's slapping me and all this shit. 3013 02:46:12.559 --> 02:46:15.559 And they I don't want to say they saved my life, 3014 02:46:15.719 --> 02:46:21.760 but they, I guess got me through that it's over. 3015 02:46:22.200 --> 02:46:26.200 Get fucker, you know, well, they jugged my ass. To 3016 02:46:26.360 --> 02:46:26.840 this gym. 3017 02:46:27.000 --> 02:46:29.799 It's in North Tampa. It's off Hillsborough. It wasn't an 3018 02:46:29.840 --> 02:46:33.280 open gym. One of the Burscos was in there one 3019 02:46:33.319 --> 02:46:35.040 of the times we went there. We went there today 3020 02:46:35.079 --> 02:46:37.360 for like they killed me, but they've killed me what 3021 02:46:37.479 --> 02:46:39.719 to do and they were telling me, if you get 3022 02:46:39.760 --> 02:46:41.559 your ass in shape, you could do this stuff. 3023 02:46:44.200 --> 02:46:46.760 Next time on the Complete Hulkogan, you may have thought 3024 02:46:46.840 --> 02:46:50.280 you've heard it all thus far about Terry Bullays upbringing 3025 02:46:50.360 --> 02:46:54.000 in Tampa, but there was one friend we haven't introduced 3026 02:46:54.000 --> 02:46:57.799 you to yet. It will become increasingly important, from the 3027 02:46:57.879 --> 02:46:59.920 time on the edge of the bridge that we just 3028 02:47:00.239 --> 02:47:04.079 heard him describe, to the road during Hulk's glory years 3029 02:47:04.079 --> 02:47:08.920 in the WWF, to the courtroom in Vince McMahon's steroid trial. 3030 02:47:09.760 --> 02:47:12.719 His name is Danny Brower. He'd be known to wrestling 3031 02:47:12.760 --> 02:47:17.239 fans as Danny Brazil, and to Hulk, he'd eventually be 3032 02:47:17.360 --> 02:47:22.799 known as his mule. Next time on the Complete Hulkog 3033 02:47:22.879 --> 02:47:26.639 and Terry Boleya and we revisit the Tampa that reared 3034 02:47:26.719 --> 02:47:31.319 him set off for a quick foray to neighboring Georgia 3035 02:47:31.440 --> 02:47:34.799 Championship Wrestling as Sterling Golden and end up where else 3036 02:47:34.879 --> 02:47:39.639 but New York and the WWF, where Terry Boleya finally 3037 02:47:40.120 --> 02:47:45.280 becomes Hulk Hogan and name as well as in essence, 3038 02:47:45.799 --> 02:47:48.840 and finally, there is no turning back.