Speaker 1: We have to Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go where.
Speaker 1: The plays get broken down and science gets denied. The
Bench Hour two of Off the Bench Live from downtown
Baton Rouge starts now, und let.
Speaker 2: Drop a little bit here there.
Speaker 3: It is so she said that rivers all wet.
Speaker 4: You have lyrics mistrue anyways, rivers are famously wet. Is
water wet?
Speaker 2: Yes? Is it?
Speaker 5: I feel like I don't In the lyric before she's
like glitter on the West Street. So I feel like
she's saying glitter. But maybe she is saying river.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Okay, he's going to get the lyrics dot cop alright.
Speaker 4: Well, back in.
Speaker 3: Week number three, the river's all wet.
Speaker 2: The river's all wet, said it's twice. The river is.
Speaker 4: If you say water's wet, but.
Speaker 3: You're all.
Speaker 7: Say it again, you're all chrome, we're all but the rivers,
the river's all wet.
Speaker 5: Wait both, she says both. She says the river's all
wet and glitters all wet.
Speaker 8: A dried up river can be is also known as
an arroyo arroyo, a r r o y o words
are tough, sometimes or a wash in an arid region arroyo.
That's what a dried up river is. So famously rivers
are indeed, we.
Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting, If they're not, then it's not a river.
Speaker 8: How would y'all say that? A that sounds better.
Speaker 2: The NBA. There you go, it's the sports Gotta tell
you that that he did.
Speaker 5: Point guard l Arroyo is a restaurant in Austin, Okay.
Speaker 8: Oh, there's also another term for a river, fa Meryl
stream mhm. Only it's only flows after a rainfall. Then
it's dried up.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 5: Sounds like a flash flow to me.
Speaker 2: Ah yeah.
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Speaker 6: Any more questions about water being wet?
Speaker 8: I don't know, did I just get judged for bringing
all this up. Was very relevant to the show. Yeah, great,
you know, so not.
Speaker 5: Only is the river wet, but water water is water.
Speaker 8: Well, I'll do have one more one more thing, Dad,
An intermittent stream is a river that only flows at
certain times of the year.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a lot of different types of rivers.
Speaker 4: Apparently your favorite river Mississippi red m the Red River
is a good one to go on. Thank you.
Speaker 6: You got to answer your favorite river Missississippi.
Speaker 4: Okay, on Red River separates shreaveboard in Bosure.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Oklahoma Texas playing that that game the Red Yeah,
it's been like the shootout, but I can't say shootout anymo.
Speaker 2: Apparently.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's a Red River rivalry, which is very
hard to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Can I finish my thought from the last segment, because
I feel like I came off as like one of
those people that's like, oh, everybody hates women. No, that's
not what I was meaning to say, because he did
call out Kochie as well.
Speaker 6: But like Danny, well Danny, and like I don't I
don't know who you saw, but Danny did call it
multiple people.
Speaker 5: Oh wait, do we want to Taylor has a vis
I have her explanation.
Speaker 4: Okay, sure, go ahead.
Speaker 10: I don't know how is you know, I wake up
early in the morning after covering a game late in
the night before. Don't want to go too much into
my progress or process or logic, but I will say
I appreciate everybody's interaction on social media and all of
your feedback. You know, there's tons of people that vote
on the ep pole and like it's not a perfect system,
but at the end of the day, like no matter
who you pick, it does even out because there's so
many people who vote, and like I said, it's really
fun for discussion. It doesn't you know, probably matter in
the end, but I'm glad that people are having a
really good time with you.
Speaker 5: But as far as I feel like it kind of
does matter if you have a.
Speaker 6: Vote, Yeah, I mean it matters, Like you want to
make sure you're going through Like everybody's process is different,
but whatever the process is, make sure that you're giving
it the full attention that it deserves and needs.
Speaker 2: Pretty sure, she just said she did she did it
when she was drunk.
Speaker 5: Over night.
Speaker 8: Sure, She's like, I did it pretty late at night.
I don't want to really go into details. I don't
even have an issue pretty.
Speaker 2: Much with the voting.
Speaker 7: I mean, moving Florida up after a loss is wild,
but like you truly believe that it's fine. I thought
she was going to get on here and like give
a full explanation everything.
Speaker 3: She literally was like, I mean, even's out, like somebody
did it right, is wrong, and then.
Speaker 7: It doesn't really matter on business doesn't really matter in
the end, goes like.
Speaker 5: If you're going to move Florida up to spots after
they lost, at least have a reason for it other
than it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day,
I was hungover, who cares?
Speaker 3: Like, but it's fun for discussion though, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, I guess it is. We are discussing it.
Speaker 8: Does she get that interview without doing it? Good for her?
Speaker 7: She said, She said it's fun to have a discussion
and it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 5: But also she says she appreciates everybody's discussion about it,
but they went private on Twitter when everybody was yeah.
Speaker 7: It's just it's it's just a bunch of contradictions, Like
that's why I think like most of the heats coming
from not the pole itself. Yeah, A reaction to it
is awful and.
Speaker 5: Not I don't mean this in like an annoying way,
but she does deserve all the heat. But then it
just it gives people so much credence to insult women
even more. I don't know, I know, I'm right a
little bit. Yeah, and it's well deserved, Like I don't
I'm not saying don't talk about it because she's a
girl or whatever, but it is deserved.
Speaker 2: I hope it was fun.
Speaker 4: I just think, I mean, I just think if you have.
Speaker 2: Just give it the respect, like I was going to say,
like respected.
Speaker 4: The respected, deserves, sit down, spend some time on it.
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 4: I don't have an AP vote.
Speaker 6: I'll never have an AP vote, but I do have
a Heisman vote, and I take it very serious. You
should like it is something that like I don't ever
want to give back. So I want to make sure
I do the process right. I don't talk about who
I'm voting for beforehand because that's not allowed, so I
don't do it. And I watch tape of about eight
to ten players that I feel like could be in
New York, and I watch them against their best opponents.
And I watched tape for about two weeks before I
decide and I turned my votes.
Speaker 8: Inly you talked about it after that, yes, after the fact,
I can you talked about on this show like the process, And.
Speaker 6: I know I don't really think I ever did, because
every time I bring it up t B, I was like, well,
how do I get a Heisman?
Speaker 2: Tebb?
Speaker 4: I don't really know.
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's let's dive in last year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I went, Travis Hunter won Camp Skataboo two and
Ashton gent three. Is that kind of is that holded
it up? Like the Camp Skatobo didn't even get to
New York. I thought Camp Skataboo deserved to be there.
He was somebody that I don't want to say single handle.
It's a team sport, but I mean he kind of
got Arizona State to the quarterfinal in.
Speaker 8: That playoff game too, Like he was you can rally,
I mean, like you your vote was definitely right on
after the fact when you.
Speaker 2: Watch that playoff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, incredible Travis Hunter did. Was incredible
to be able to play both sides of the football
at a very high level on a nine win football team,
uh to be able to retain the knowledge, to be
able to play both sides of the football, which is
something a lot of people don't talk about. So like
that went into my thought process, you know, Like I said,
I try to pay respect to the vote that I
have high quarterback from Army. Bryson Daily, Yeah, probably, Like
I had a hard time leaving him off my ballot,
but you only get three.
Speaker 4: Bryceon Daily was awesome at Army last year.
Speaker 6: Remember, Army was like in the conversation of a college
football playoff team out of the G five spot from
a year ago, and you know they fell just short.
You know they'd be too lame, I believe in the
American Championship Game, then they lost Army and Navy. Did
he get some boats, you get some votes, Yeah for sure.
Like again, I didn't put him top three, but it
was hard to keep him off.
Speaker 2: And now God fighting for the USMA.
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 6: So look again, like and I don't want to just
throw shade at the eight people. There's some people, I'm
sure that take it exactly as serious as we're talking about.
I'm sure there's some people that sit down every single
week and they have a process and they've been doing
it for ten, twenty thirty years. I actually would like
to have somebody on that has an AP vote. I
don't know, No Batteries has Maybe maybe Rabs has one.
Speaker 4: Maybe we can have money. He can talk about his process.
Speaker 6: But like the Coach's poll, I don't I don't say
this for every coach, but I know a lot of
coaches that allow their SID to be the person that
votes for their top twenty five, and the coaches pull
because look, I'm a coach. That's what I'm trying to get.
I'm trying to get ready for. You know, what blitz
are they going to bring this week? Are they going
to play quarters or quarter quarter has? Are they going
to run gap schemers, zone scheme? When it comes to like,
I'm not worried about twenty four other teams in the
top twenty five. That's not the team I'm coaching. So
like I get it, Like why do we have it?
Speaker 8: I know especially it has because like head coaches have
more to think about now than they ever have because
they got roster management to deal with. Like when usually
back in the day, in the good old days, roster
was your roster. That's the roster you're going with. One
signing day comes in February. That's it now they got
I mean, I don't envy the coaching position these days
in college football, So they especially don't have an extra
an hour to go sit down and really think about
the South Florida. If they're gonna be in the winter,
they can be eighteen or nineteen in my pole, they don't.
They don't have that time.
Speaker 4: So and too the like for them, like they hadn't
if you're not playing South Florida or you hadn't played
a team that you know played them and you just
so happen to see their tape, Like you're not gonna
go watch South Florida.
Speaker 6: If you're you know, in the Big ten and it
doesn't matter to your bottom line.
Speaker 8: That's I mean, that's a good point. But how many
AP people are actually going to watch film of everybody either?
Speaker 6: I was just about to say, like the AP is
made up of different people across the country, like it does.
There need to be another pot, be in another pole
where it's just like national media members.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, like my process for getting ready for this
show is different than my process getting ready for off campus.
For this show, I'm gonna be lsu certainly like heavy
and then SEC is gonna fill up the rest of it.
For the other one, I gotta talk about Luke altmar
in Illinois, all right, I gotta talk about Sawyer Robinson
and Baylor.
Speaker 4: Right, I gotta talk about Dan Mullen and what.
Speaker 6: He's doing at UNLB because it's every team, every conference,
so it's a different process. So whatever, like, whatever the
process is, like, just make sure that you're giving it
the respect that it deserves.
Speaker 8: I didn't agree with her on one thing, though I
agree with her on one thing. At the end of
the day, as former like players and his players, polls
don't matter at all. But for doing stuff like this
talking about he does create drama, which is football while
it's creates drama, gives good talking points, gives something for
people to get upset about, get happy about, false sense
of security, and it gives us something to argue about.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 8: That's why Sports and Football Season it's the best reality
TV show out there.
Speaker 2: Drama.
Speaker 8: Hey, speaking of drama, Taylor, do you watch finished the
Dallas Cowboy documentary?
Speaker 2: No? I finished it last night. Was it was actually
pretty good?
Speaker 8: I actually kind of almost brought a tear to my Okay,
I don't believe. Well, I mean, I grew that was
the team I grew up with watching, and you know, but.
Speaker 3: What you're saying is we've both moved on.
Speaker 8: I moved on, like I made a lot better life
decisions when I moved on than you did. I thought, honestly,
for the for the last three three and a half months,
I thought you're a pretty smart guy. Now I just
realize you're dumb.
Speaker 7: I will say, it took you a lot longer than
most people, So I do appreciate fair.
Speaker 8: Fair Do you appreciate that? That was the perfect response, the
only response.
Speaker 2: So great job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would recommend it. It was very good.
Speaker 8: It was like the first episodes a little nauseating because
it's like Jerry talking about like how much he loves himself.
Speaker 2: But after you get past that part watched I watched
the first one. After you get.
Speaker 8: Past that part, it's it's pretty it's pretty good. I've
watched anything get into more like personalities of like the
players and the coaches, and the coaches, drama between like
Jimmy Johnson, and then when Barry Switzer came on board,
there was drama between him and Troy Yikman.
Speaker 2: I never knew about.
Speaker 8: But yeah, did not like Barry Switzer, tell you what
not a fan for, Like the amount of attention that
like concussions got for a long time.
Speaker 2: Troy Aikman had a lot of concussions and he still is.
He just threw the balls with the one in the middle.
O in the middle.
Speaker 4: There's three of them, just picked the one in the middle.
Speaker 2: The good lord. Football used to be a different game
of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good lord.
Speaker 6: I mean even when we first got like into it's like, oh,
you can have a five man wedge on kickoff return. Cool,
let's go hit that. Here comes the l five? Where
am I Taylor?
Speaker 2: Great? All right?
Speaker 4: Are you? Are you dealing with? Is water wet?
Speaker 2: We're ready?
Speaker 6: Like when we call those We got doctor Stevens set
to join us. A lot of a lot of injuries,
lots of injuries to talk about, to discuss and try
to get a timeline on maybe what.
Speaker 4: That rehab process looks like.
Speaker 6: I also want to go around some of the other
games in the Southeastern Conference as we start conference play.
I know we have one last week with ole Miss
and Kentucky, but everybody going to start getting going here
and want to break them all down, so we've got
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Speaker 12: Off the Bench, all right, welcome back in OTB.
Speaker 4: I love Wednesday a fifteen. So our guy, doctor Stephen
Etheridge joins us again. Doc. How we doing, how we living?
Speaker 2: Doing great?
Speaker 4: Doing great?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 6: So, unfortunately, we've got a long list of injuries to
go over when it comes to teams that we care about.
But I want to start with the New Orleans Saints
because one of their star safeties had a labroom tear,
and you know, we kind of talked about a little bit,
but I wanted to wait to get you in because
I had a labroom tear and kept playing. But it
was in December, and it's like, okay, well we got
a bye week and then we had the playoffs and
it's like we'll worry about that later. But it was December,
so it's like we're not going to have that many
games left, like we're in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: But the most we can have four or five.
Speaker 6: What's the difference like if you have a labrum tear
like early in the season, certainly when you play a
physical position where you're gonna be using your shoulder, and
how how different can the severity may be of a
laborm tear bee.
Speaker 13: Yeah, we started talking about laborl injuries. It it is
a can of worms here. You have you have two
joints in the buy that have a laborum, the hip
and the shoulders. If your two ball and socket joints,
and we're talking about a shoulder here, and the laborum
and the shoulder mostly adds stability to the shoulder, so
it's something that doesn't necessarily work for strength and motion
as much as its stability. So it's inside the shoulder,
between the ball and the socket. It sort of adds
this cartilage cup that sort of adds support.
Speaker 2: Around the shoulder.
Speaker 13: And the interesting with laborams is it's it's like I said,
it's opened this big, big, big can of worms here
because a lot of labor injuries with even alone completely
for what's worth, I actually tore both the.
Speaker 4: Mine and my shoulders. I never mind fixed.
Speaker 13: Yeah, my left eye didn't, my right when I did,
my right shoulder was very unstable. It keeps sliding out
on me, popping out of socket, and depending on how
stable the joint is. You know, we see it in
pictures all the time, a picture because of the repetitive use.
They'll they'll use the tear their labor Yeah, and in
that scenario we usual leave it at unless it's giving
them a problem. So that's when it gets really tough.
But then, on the other hand, like you said, if
it's earlier in the year, and we keep dislocating this shoulder,
even just subluxing it, which is like a partial dislocation.
So if we keep doing that, you're gonna slowly kind
of stretch that ligament out more. You're gonna stretch the
laborm out more, maybe tear it worse, stretch the joint
capsule out, and sometimes you even start seeing bone laws.
You know, you have the the socket and the ball,
and if you start rubbing those together so much that
bone starts to erode, and then that's a much more
difficult fix. So is it something that you can usually
play with?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 13: Is it something that you should always play with? Probably not,
But then there are times it's fine. If you're stable.
If you're stable and you're not popping out of socket,
and it's just something that over time kind of wore
down on you. You you know again, like I said, I've
got one and my left shoulder and it never bothers me.
You know, I can't remember the last time and knock
on wood, it gave me any issues.
Speaker 4: You can go home and you be like it's coming.
Speaker 8: Had a lot of push ups in studio at breaks
and my shoulders hurt. Now, is that is that two
torn labor? Probably No, it's just you're forty dropped the ladder. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's probably more the case there.
Speaker 6: So we okay, So when you have a labor them obviously,
like if you're gonna miss time, it's probably because you
have the situation you're talking about where you can't really
keep the shoulder in. And I think, I don't know
if you've been through that. I know you and I
have the positions we play, we've been through that before.
And it's not like putting your shoulder back in. It's
not fun.
Speaker 2: And like after you do it like.
Speaker 4: Two or three times, you're like, all right, this, I
need to find a solution for this.
Speaker 13: Yeah, And it's it's usually know, if we have a
guy that has this injury, you know, it's there's there's
a lot that goes into it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 13: One of these themes that probably will come up almost
every time we talk about these is severity. You know,
we'll look at the guy, we'll do our physical exam,
we'll talk to them, you know, we'll get the MRIs,
we'll get the information, and then you have that discussion
and it's it's really a shared decision making where right,
you know, there's injuries where we're gonna tell a guy, look,
you can't play with this. This is you know, you
tear your A c L. I don't want you to
destroy your kneed. Yeah, there's other injuries where it's like.
Speaker 6: Don't pull the Philip Rivers and play in the AFC
Championship game with no A c L.
Speaker 13: Yeah, not a good idea, not a good idea. But
but then even there, you know, it's AFC Championship. How
many of those do you get to? And we do
have those discussions there and as much as health and
safety always come first, there's an injury line that we
sometimes are willing to cross. Right, it's a championship week
championship game. Maybe I'm gonna play with something. And being
a foreign player, I look at it that way as well,
and I think that's what some of that is helpful.
I'm like, look, I get it. I want to play. Yeah,
And there's times you gotta tell a guy, man, no,
you can't play with this. It's it's it's all relative.
So so there's a lot that goes into it. But
we talk to the guys, we look at the exams,
we do all that, and then and then we talk
about it.
Speaker 2: We say what do you want to do? What is safe?
Speaker 13: We give them the risk, and then we make that decision.
Speaker 2: Doc.
Speaker 8: When when it comes to like muscle tears, muscle injuries,
if the decision is made for the for the player
to play through the pain and make that decision too.
You know, I got a teared labor, torn labor or whatever,
I'm gonna play through it.
Speaker 2: Like what is the process?
Speaker 8: Is the process different between trying to ease that pain
and making it more comfortable for that player than it is?
Speaker 2: That's something more.
Speaker 8: Something in a joint or structural like an injury with
the bone or something like is that treatment? Because I
remember having an ac joint and it was more like
cortzone light of cane type numb the pain, Like is
that the same with the muscle?
Speaker 4: Can you just numb like that area? Like what's that treatment?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's all relative. So it depends on where's the muscle,
what is the injury. If if we feel comfortable that
whatever the injury is, that you can play with seid
injury and not really jeopardize your overall health in your future.
If it's an ac joint, sure, if it's something that
we can, you know, give you medicine for, it's not
gonna affect your cognition. So we're not gonna give you
like a pain killer. We're not gonna give you a narcotic.
But we might say, yeah, I take some ivprof and
we might even do a little light of cane in
some areas where we can numb something up, as long
as we feel very safe about it, and even that
we talked to the athlete, we make sure we're all
on the same page. But yeah, there are times when
it is pain, and there are certain muscle injuries where
that is the case. How severe was the injury, where's
the injury located? But if it's a big tear. If
it's something that's gonna, like again put you at risk,
well then we're not comfortable crossing that line.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 6: So a lot of talk recently and we actually talked
about it last week high ankle springs, and there's a
lot of different ankle sprains. When you hear like high
ankle sprain, there I say, yeah, why is the high
ankle sprain different than a normal ankle sprain.
Speaker 13: So yeah, when we have ankle sprains, we break them down. Really,
there's three areas in the ankle kin sprain. There's a
lateral ankle, which is the outside of the ankle, which
is the most common. There's the media ankle, which is
the inside of the ankle, and then there's the high ankle.
A high ankle sprain is when you have an injury
of the ligaments that basically attach the lower shin bones,
so it's right above the ankle hents high ankle. So
the tibia and the fibulary are the two long bones
below the knee that go down to the ankle and
they form the ankle joint, at least the top portion
of it. Well, there are some ligaments to hold those
together and if you have a high ankle sprain, it's
going to be a sprain to one of those ligaments,
and sometimes multiple of those ligaments. So the problem is
that's a much more high stress area. The way I
think of it is is if you think of the foot,
the top of the foot, which is the tallus, is
almost like a wedge that pushes up into those two bones.
And so it's I think about splitting firewood. You use
a wedge to split firewood. If if y'all ever done
that out there, and it's and that's kind of what's
happened when you have that. You already have a partial
strain of those ligaments, and if you're pushing that wedge
up into them, it's just a much higher risk injury.
It's one that takes longer to heal.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 13: The reason we all kind of grown is in general
it's a longer healing process than the others. Now, like
everything else, that the theme that comes up a lot
of severity.
Speaker 2: How severe is it? Is it a mild, is it
a moderate? Is it severe?
Speaker 13: Because sometimes if it's severe, we'll even talk surgery. We
talked about the tight ropes and the different procedures. You know,
those are things that we sometimes do, and it comes
down to that same discussion where it's kind of a
shared decision. We look at the exams, but we also
really look at the physical exam in addition to the MRI.
So we have the MRI, we have the imaging, but
then we say, well, look what can you do?
Speaker 4: And is it a strength? Is it cutting? Is it
like bursts?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Is it all the above?
Speaker 2: All the above?
Speaker 13: And honestly, it starts with something as simple as can
you raise up on your foot? That's husually the first
thing that you want to see. You know, it sounds very,
very very elementary, but if a guy can raise up
on his toes, most of times, it's not a really
bad high ink, right, and we'll see that's probably the
first big test I want to see before we even
talk about any of the others.
Speaker 2: Can you just raise up?
Speaker 13: And if you can't do that, I'm probably not gonna
be that comfortable with putting you anywhere near a field.
But if you can, then we moved to the can
you push off? Can you come out of the stands?
Can you sprint? Can you cut? And if you can
do all those things, you know, especially maybe brace you up,
we give a little extra support to the ankle and
do those things. Then then yeah, that's a guy that
will usually play. And if you can't, well we got
to see that.
Speaker 8: Dot talk about the different grades and how y'all judge
the severity of a hin ankle, because I remember I
had a high ankle sprain from the Virginia Tech which
is the second game of the year, and O seven
that the entire season is something I fought through. I
played with offensive line, right, Yeah, and then relax, everybody,
They're strong, they're not fat, They're just big. It was
actually explained to me the actually had a crack in
one of the like I can't remember for the fiby
or the tibia, but like a high ankle spray sometimes
is as a fracture of one of the bones. So
is that part of the judge just talk talk about
the grades?
Speaker 13: Yeah, so well, typically with grades, you know, it's kind
of usually a mild, modern severe, or a one two
three in that order. Sometimes you know, you'll hear other
injuries where you add some other grading, but most injuries
that's kind of how we break it down. And with
the high ankle, a mild would be more of just
kind of a stretch and irritation, probably only involving one
or two of the ligaments. When you get more into
the moderate, there's probably some partial tearing with those injuries.
Usually it's gonna be more than one of those ligaments.
And then a severe is usually going to be a
complete tear where you even have some instability. Usually you're
gonna see some widening of the gap between those two bones.
Those are the ones who are almost always gonna fix.
And then yes, sometimes there is a fracture component of
all with it. You know, just because you have a
sprain or strain doesn't mean you don't have a fracture
and vice versa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we look at all of that.
Speaker 13: If it's a very unstable injury with the fracture with
a lot of tearing, you know, that's that's something we
probably fix. If it's a smaller injury, if we feel
like we can stabilize it, if we feel like you
can do the things you have to do, if we
can see that from you, then then that's one that
again we'll get.
Speaker 2: You out there and we'll work with it.
Speaker 13: To your point, it's something that probably is not gonna heal,
you know, throughout the year This is usually even the
mild ones, you're probably still gonna feel it. I mean,
even week one, you get to the end of the year,
if we are playing on it, you're still gonna feel.
It's gonna get better, but you're still gonna feel it's
not gonna go away really until we let it heel.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they there there. Did you have one high ankle sprain?
No fast, They're brutal, man. They like if I just
remember feeling unstable and every time I pushed off, it
just hurt.
Speaker 2: It just hurt.
Speaker 8: Really, I mean it was it was like it there's
a different pain than I'd ever felt.
Speaker 2: The in the stability part was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all my injuries were knee related for the most part.
It's like how many times you get a helmet to
the knee and it goes the other way. It's like, oh,
you got a spray. It's like, okay, what does a
knee sprain? I don't really know what that means.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it feels like there's nothing in there right now.
Speaker 8: Just feels terrible. It just feels like it feels I
don't know, dog, it feels worse than a sprain. Do
you want to check it again?
Speaker 2: Uh? So?
Speaker 8: It's great, like the meniscus. Are we going up in
the numbers. So grade one's mild or grade one is
like severe.
Speaker 13: So that's common situation, right, So the smaller the number
of the the less severe.
Speaker 2: All right, so grade one is mind like.
Speaker 8: My right ankle, I still have a pocket of swim
only on top of my ankle.
Speaker 2: From that injury.
Speaker 4: Hey, you can get the exam later, but I check
it out with the clinic.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got this spot.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean okay, is that the same for everything?
Speaker 6: So like we're talking about high ankle sprain, Like I've
talked about knee sprains. I certainly had plenty of those
where I'd get a helmet on it and be like, okay,
well is that tormniscus because I know what that feels like.
Sure feels like the No, it's just a knee sprain.
So like severity situation same in.
Speaker 13: The knee tip typically it is. Yes, you know, there's
every joint's gonna be a little bit different. Everything's gonna
be a little different. But again, I think the first
thing we talk about with any injuries house severe. So
you know if you have you have a knee sprain, well,
which ligament. Is it that does back if we're talking
about one ligament versus another. And then then we start
talking severity. Is it a mild injury?
Speaker 9: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it moderate? Is it severe?
Speaker 13: And and sometimes you know, even if it's pretty snick
in injury, it may not be surgical. Other times and
more mild, you know, a small tear in the meniscus
is probably something we're gonna have to address, right, So
it's it's all kind of relative.
Speaker 4: I uh, yeahsh I don't even know if I have
any meniscus.
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, what is O about it? Had felt the
niska yea? Had the old microfracture surgery? Cand you explain?
Speaker 6: Can you explain that one to our listeners, because that's
try to explain it sometimes and I don't think I
do a good job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so microfracture.
Speaker 13: So there's basically when we talk about the knee, you
have the condril cartilage, which is the cartilage that covers
the bone. So and each the two bones that form
the knee, the tibia and the femur, there's some cartilage
that covers those bones that's condril cartilage. And when you
get a defect in that, that typically doesn't heal that well.
So if you get a little divid or a pop
mark or something like that, you're gonna have to do
something with it. Usually now, all things relative, the body
can compensate, but if if we're going to try and
do something with it, you know, one of the procedures
that that's been commonly done is a microfracture, where we
literally drilled little abd holes into the bone under it.
And what you're hoping by doing that is that you
stimulate the body. You maybe even get in the bone
marrow a little bit, You release some of the bone
marre of some of the stem cells, some of there
are things that help heal recover, and the hope is
that some of that cartilage heals. It's not a perfect fix, yeah,
and that's one thing that we're still fall a little
bit short of, is the perfect fix for cartilage injuries.
Speaker 2: That's why they can be a real bear.
Speaker 13: But if you make what's there a little bit healthier,
if you can make it a little bit thicker, if
you can get some degree of recovery there, well that's
better than nothing. And that's kind of the idea with
the microfracture.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was fun. It's fun to come back from.
I didn't know the rehab was going to be quite
what it was.
Speaker 6: Off of that, I was thinking, Oh, it's going to
be a miniscus and I've had a meniscus surgery.
Speaker 4: Em played like eight days later. It's gonna be fine.
It was not that.
Speaker 13: It's a little different, well, in part because you gotta
let it heal. You know, you're you're you're drilling those
little bit holes. You gotta let it try to heal.
At least that's gonna do that. They don't always.
Speaker 2: They didn't do that. Didn't do that.
Speaker 6: All right there, doctor stephn Ather, it's good enough to
join us every single week here on OTB break down
some of the injuries across the sports world.
Speaker 4: Doc, we appreciate it as always, sir, Oh, it's my pleasure.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 4: We'll take a break more OTB when we come back.
Speaker 1: On the other side, off the bench, from players to legends,
Hester and Flynn breakdown L s U football like only
champions can.
Speaker 9: On the perfect day. I know that I can't go.
That's not possible.
Speaker 4: Are you laughing at him?
Speaker 2: There? Uh, chat.
Speaker 8: Man, I can't believe that were getting I was trying
to get a free examine here.
Speaker 6: Do you want to throw your ankle up on the
I'm trying to avoid those code pays, my god, Like, hey.
Speaker 2: So like, got doc in here. I want to get
a little check, just like.
Speaker 6: If you sprain your ankle in two thousand and seven,
eighteen years ago, and you should have got a little
pocket of fluid there.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying.
Speaker 8: I was just making mention of it because I always
think it's hypothetically I got two injuries that like, I
still have things from it. It's like a gift from
the football gods. I take pride in that little pocket.
And song I was trying to brag.
Speaker 3: You also did ask if you had two to warn labrams.
Speaker 8: Yeah, true, trying to get that I might push ups today.
He might send you a bill, he might send me bo.
Speaker 2: He got an opportunity to avoid some capes. You're gonna
take advantage of it.
Speaker 5: No, I think we should take turns. Like every week
he comes in, we each ask him about an issue
we have.
Speaker 8: Yep, Doc, I got this new mole, so should I.
Speaker 4: It's not a dermatologist, sure, he's an orthopedic.
Speaker 2: This is a side of.
Speaker 3: Aging or is just like a problem like whatever, I
don't hear that right, you know.
Speaker 5: So this screw in my head? Uh huh am, I
gonna have to get it replaced at some point.
Speaker 2: We should on air checkups.
Speaker 3: Not screwing my head, but I feel like it's a
little rusty. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 6: I do find it fascinating, like all the different grades
of sprains and stuff, because I don't know, like when
I hear sprain, I'm like, Okay, well that means I'm playing.
Speaker 4: That means I'm good. But not every positions the same
to you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: And I never had I said, I never had a
high ankle, and I've always heard like if you have
a sprain, that's the worst one that you can have,
and all jokes is like you've been through that. You
had giant ankle braces. Giant, I mean you really did,
Like you had those big.
Speaker 8: One side of them was pretty narrow because my ankles
are very shapely, but the outside was thickum.
Speaker 4: But seriously, like what I don't I've never been do that.
I had knees sprains.
Speaker 6: But it's like, hey, sorry, Bud, go out, Like I
don't really know about that.
Speaker 8: It's kind of like what we talked about the other
couple of weeks ago turf Town, like that doesn't sound
bad either.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, all sprains are not created equal, that's for sure.
That when I had that high ankle, but give me
two three tight ripes.
Speaker 6: I mean it was Middle Tennessee that you missed, right,
you know, seven and then you came back. You sitting
in South Carolina.
Speaker 8: But if you remember, like part of our offense was
me running a decent you ran. You had one hundred
attempts that year. Yeah, and it was like it was
with the big old ankle brace and literally offensive lineman
shoes for multiple games.
Speaker 6: When you say offensive lineman shoes. Yeah, you had Timberland
zone out there, basically the.
Speaker 8: Old shark bottoms, not the fat kids, the two for
ones that academy. For sure, did you go did you
have to go like to the the local I'm going
to try to pull it up local sporting store to
go get some peewee footboxes, the shark bottoms, that's the
only one that that big brace that they had, which
at that time was like state of the art technology
that was brace wise. I remember Maricchi had found that brace.
I'm got making these braces and only a couple people
had had it.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know what a state of art
about it. It just looked like a piece of plastic. Yeah,
it's brutal.
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against Louisiana attack. Not quite sure, but oh my god,
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Speaker 1: Yeah, from the locker room to the airwaves. Gets off
the bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, Maybe I just don't get it. Do you
enjoy being hurt?
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Speaker 3: You don't believe his stories.
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