Speaker 1: What is up, Fellowsikos, I am Dana Valley coming at
you with the one, the only, the certified, fantabulous mister
Grant Hughes. We're back for the second half of just
sort of our summer league. Summer League wrap up. We
are going to play start Bench or g League, even
though it's kind of only like a small part of
what we're doing here, as we break down notable rookies
from every team in the East. If you have not
done so, we did the West over. There was like
two hours of just us talking about rookies, some of
whom you've probably never heard of before listening to that podcast,
So go check it out if you have questions in
the chat. As always, while we do these little PROMPTU
live streams, we will get to them. We're just here
to hang out, have fun, talk rookies. We're gonna go
in reverse alphabetical order because we like to change things
up every once in a while, and it's also a
little bit more dangerous because we all know around these parts,
I have trouble with the alphabet. Grant though, how the
heck are.
Speaker 2: You just I like the idea that we are just
doing things because they're dangerous. We just like to live
on the edge a little bit, which which in this
case means doing the alphabet backwards. That's as daring as
it gets.
Speaker 1: What is life without a little bit of risk involved, though, you.
Speaker 2: Know, it's not worth living. That's why we're starting with
the Washington Wizards. W way at the end of the alphabet.
Speaker 1: Wow, what a transition before we actually dive into them
very quickly. Just the usual housekeeping note of we both
kind of throw stats out the window and so like
in summer League, I just don't know. I wouldn't enjoy
its Summer league like and my enjoyment of it is
pretty minimal after you get past like the main guys.
But I wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much if we
had to harp on like efficiency as much like it's
almost fun to sometimes throw it away and focus only
on the eye test or just like the impressions that
you're getting from.
Speaker 2: These guys, right, I think, I think the value that
you can get from summer League, which is like harder
than it is to get value from just watching regular
season or certainly playoff games, is just like it is
very eye testing, and it's and it's not just that
it's like, based on what this player was billed as
being able to do or not do, just how does
how do what? How does what I'm seeing align with that? Like?
What what what's proven correct in terms of like the
pre draft billing? What maybe isn't the case? Like you know,
how how closely aligned is the scouting report with what
I'm actually seeing? And yeah, like you know when we
talked about Dylan Harper for the West, is like, oh,
he had a game where he was one of eight
or or oh of eight from three or something. It's like, okay,
so that means he's terrible. No, it's just like you
throw that out and just look at like how did
he look on the floor? What kind of stuff was
he like capable of doing?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What maybe couldn't he do? It's just I mean, in
a lot of ways, that's kind of freeing because you
can just talk about what you saw and then and
then you know, numbers just are who cares? It's like
five games at most for most of these guys, and
the competition's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even five games is like I love
that average two summer league games play. There was only
one I think was Jeremiah Fears was the only lottery
pick to play in every single one of his team's
summer League games, So shout out to him. He should
get a bump just for just for doing that. Do
we have any other notes, questions, concerns or do we
want we want to begin here?
Speaker 2: I think we're ready to go.
Speaker 1: The Wizards Trey Johnson, so I have to start things off, grant.
I'm already making some walkbacks here. Oh when when we
did our pre draft pod, I said, I am just
not a Trey Johnson guy.
Speaker 2: I do not want why so, like why so at
the time.
Speaker 1: That archetype of player just scares me to where it's
just like, Okay, yes he's built, is like this terrific shooter,
but is he a league guard? Like does he have
the passing chops to do it? And how efficiently is
he really going to score? Turns out very He shot
like nearly seventy percent on twues. It was over forty
five percent. He ended up on threes. Again, we said
we're gonna throw Fishency out the window, but like, if
it's gonna translate, its good. When it's good, it counts.
But also just like the shot types he was taking.
His jumpers came from just like the two levels you
we care about, mid range, from beyond the arc. He
did it off the catch. He did it from scratch. Uh.
I think the Wizards are gonna see and it makes
sense now, that's okay, good that they traded Jordan Pooles.
This is another guy that's probably never seen a shot
that he wouldn't take, but he's also capable of hitting them,
and so I just think the scoring acumen for him
is beyond reproach. And we'll see how the process look
like looks like as part of that larger setting when
there's other mouths that need to be fed. What I
would worry about, though, is like scoring is option one, two,
and three?
Speaker 2: That's right?
Speaker 1: And then is what do is zach Lowas say? Like
option four is like hoping he misses book gets fouled basically,
so there can be some overdriveling there, and then like
that lends itself to predictability and the entire possession can unravel.
I think he just needs to get off the ball
a little bit more quickly in certain situations. And I'm
not sure if his playmaking may never pop. I think
it could be a lot better when you look at
what he's doing, like out of drives, like there's going
the way that he makes defenses rotate, like if he
can just it's not even surveying the floor, but it's
like having your head a little bit more on a swivel.
I just as he learns to get off it, and
it's more about as he learns to Oh, there's players
around me who might be better right off the bat. Yeah,
so I have confidence he can be. I don't look
at him and say I've commenced he could be a
pretty good playmaker. I don't look at him and say,
this is someone who I think could run your offense
for extended Like if I'm the Wizards, I still maybe
view bub Carrington as more likely to of anyone on
my team is the most likely person to be that guy.
Speaker 2: Well, because if he's that guy, he's going second in
the draft probably or third, right like that, if that,
if that were part of the package. So a player
like Johnson, I mean just that's assuming we even know
enough about him at this point to say, like who
he's like. It can kind of go two ways. It's
on the one end of it, you know, you get
I'll just use him because he's kind of at the
example of this, like a guy, a guy who can
really score and really shoot it, Like you can get
Cam Thomas, who doesn't really make anybody better except that
he is high usage and will use up shots that
might otherwise go to slightly let's sufficient scorers, but really
is like not a level raiser for other players. And
then there's other guys who, whether it's because they draw
so much attention as shooters or they have enough of
an on ball game to bend the defense with the
ball that they do, you know, they're primarily out there
to score, but they do make things easier for other
players around them and open up other opportunities. Of those
two player types, did you see characteristics that leaned towards
one versus the other or is it still kind of
a mixed bag? I mean, because ideally the best version
of him is the second type that's like not Cam Thomas,
but it's like, I don't know, Klay Thompson or somebody
that just like you must pay attention all the time,
or like a Brad Beal just to go out with
a former wizard like that can do enough with the
ball to be a difference maker. What did you see
on that front?
Speaker 1: I think he's he will separate himself far enough to
me from the Cam Thomas archetype. I don't know. I'm
trying to think of the level a passer that I
think he could become. Devin Booker feels a little too generous, maybe,
but like Bradley Beal was probably on that list, So
Bradley bial might be a good comp there so that
he can get to that level. But he's still like this,
we're gonna dig the suns. I'm sure when we do
off season report cards to their plan is to make
Devin Booker the point guard. It's like, no, that's not
the best way to optimize him. I don't think him
being your floor general or you're just your league guard
for more than like beats against, you know, preferably like
the second units. I don't think that's gonna be like
like that'll be the better usage of him. But look
the scoring and the shooting. He was considered like the
best shooter and I coming out of the draft, I
see it like it's just and sometimes you'd expect that archetype.
This is I don't have any science behind this, but
when you look at what sometimes translates the most to
Summer League. The F five substat had a piece on this.
A lot of it's like volume based, like your three
point attempts per thirty six minutes. It shows like, okay,
like that's pretty gonna be consistent, but like you don't
expect the efficiency necessarily to hold and like for him
to come in and score at multiple levels so efficiently,
I think that's gonna end up being and like the
Wizards need that type of a scorer right now the
outside in time because it was Jordan Poole, but like
he has more levels. I think when you look at
his scoring to his offense, where Jordan Poole is maybe
gonna bail out a little sooner. Even though I think
it is best in Golden State, even with Washington, he
showed he could. Jordan Poole's probably the better passer at
the moment if you want to run a pick and roll.
But we're talking about a rookie here, so I like
they need someone like this, and so he's sort of
a if you were to do like, okay, it's not
gonna be Cooper Flag who wins Rookie of the Year.
He might be the most popular pick, I think because
of the role and opportunity and what we know he
can do.
Speaker 2: Right now, it does seem like just my cursory observation
of him in some release, like kind of like what
you were alluding to. It just like scoring looks like
just what comes easily to him, and so like I
think given the opportunity to, given the dearth of other
real scoring options on a Washington team that has a
lot of players we like, by the way, it's just
that none of them. We don't love any of them
because they're like lights out shooters and bucket getters. He's
very well positioned to just like I don't know, he
could average seventeen a game or something like it, you know,
assuming he gets the minutes and nobody else on the Wizards, like,
which would be a good thing. Takes a huge leap
to where like, well we kind of just have to
have bub you know, leading us in scoring because he's
deserving of the touches. But yeah, I think Johnson's a
good Rookie of the Year pick just on the strength
of like opportunity.
Speaker 1: Really, you know, who else might be a good Rookie
of the Year pick?
Speaker 2: Is it Will Riley.
Speaker 1: It's Will Riley of the Washington Wizards. I don't actually
I don't actually think that. But he he turned he
turned ahead for me in summer League. I came into
him with like basically zero preconceptions. I think would be
a massive stretch. He ended up he had a rough
like or a mild choir performers in his debut. Immediately
in the second game, he goes shoots five or six
from the four, including three or four on trays. He
ended up shooting I think it was over fifty seven
percent from three for the entire summer league. I think
would probably be a stretch to say, like, all right,
like the jumper is just gonna be fine. It's definitely
going to translate. But like the fact that so many
of his shots just came from distance, like as a percentage,
I think that's encouraging. We have to see if like
he's gonna be able to handle the volume. I was
also very encouraged. It was a game against Brooklyn. You
sometimes asked me, I have terrible recall, but it was
a game against Brooklyn and they won, and he came
off of it was running off a pin down on
a sidelines out of bounds play and it was very
difficult three pointer that he hit. And if he can
do that on a consistent basis, like, that's huge for
Washington to kind of have another guy like that away
from the ball, just running around. And the other thing
is is actually think that you look at him as
a driver and passer, he has that to his game.
I don't know, like the handle doesn't seem like it's
gonna hold up under more pressure. We saw like a
little bit like oddity there with that, But I don't
know that he's gonna receive a ton of pressure in
the NBA though, So as someone who could attack off
the catch and maybe make like that second pass, that's
like sort of his pathway to sticking. So I don't
you know, And you look at just he kind of
plays with the spirit of one time could have been
teammate Marcus Smart too. When you look at sort of
like the heart and hustle guy, I could see him
being one of those. So I really as just sort
of this like all right, late first round fly Like
I really like the idea of Will Riley on what
I feel is like, No, he'll never be the main
ingredient of a really good team. But as someone who
compliments a lot of other important players on what could
be a really good team, I certainly think he has
that type of a ceiling.
Speaker 2: Okay, well then we already forgot our gimmick. So with
Will Riley, first start Bencher G League and then Trey
Johnson start Bencher G League.
Speaker 1: So Will Riley I think is bench just they have
so many dudes? Trey Johnson, I think you need is
it start because you have so I mean, let's let's
game this. Alex are Blakoolabali need to start like that
just absolutely has to happen. Who else are you penciling
it as a lock here?
Speaker 2: Why would you start Carrington? Right?
Speaker 1: I think you could bring George off the bench. I
don't think that right, that's not a big deal. And also,
just like with Jordan Poole gone, why wouldn't you start
Trade Johnson? Maybe I'm overthinking.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, unless you need to, unless you feel like
you need to start Middleton, which maybe you could do anyway,
if you don't start George, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's all. Forgot christ and CJ. McCollums on
this team. You can't have Can you have both of
those guys? Come off the bench or.
Speaker 2: No, that you do need to start McCollum, right, you
just sort of have to.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was gonna say it's probably the other
way around for me because I don't know that they
have they have guards who I think can score, unless
you think that Black Kolabai is really gonna pop this year,
like in terms of creating your own shots, I don't
know the fingers crossed, right, I don't know if they
have wings that could necessarily score. So I would vote
starting Maybe they're both okay with it and you bring
the meat off the bench, but if you're looking to
recoup some value for their firings at the trade deadline,
you probably need to start one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see it being difficult not
starting both. But I mean, like in a perfect world,
you just you're just starting all the young guys that
that should be the wizard's objective. But we'll see that'll
be an interesting dynamic. I mean, odds are between Middleton McCollum.
Somebody is gonna miss time for with injury, so you
may do not have to deal with Oh now, how
do we start both of these guys and all our
young guys? But you know.
Speaker 1: So if I was to say, right now point five
or No. One one point five, no, yeah, be point
five of Middleton CJ CJ. McCollum's starting, would you take
the over the under.
Speaker 2: On that, I'd probably go over. I mean, I think
I think just the veteran status start both of them. Yeah,
I do. I don't love it, but I look like
if you're trying to get something for them in trade,
you need to at least showcase them a little bit,
and just the pride thing, like they're both super well
respected veterans, Like I think you you almost you might,
just for some of the wrong reasons, feel like you
have to start them, all right.
Speaker 1: I hope, So, I hope. I hope they're able to
carve out time for Will Riley, just as like for
the things that he might be able to do as
a shooter and maybe even a like a secondary field guy.
At six eight he's listed at Like that's that's intriguing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, moving on to the Toronto Raptors, which we have
a comments about. Tell me about Colin Murray Boyles purportedly
an ill fitting like can't shoot it, but can defend
and do multiple things with the ball, A good two
way guy, but like on this Raptors team doesn't make sense?
What did you see through that lens, Like in terms
of like how does this pick make sense for this team?
Can you assess him kind of that way?
Speaker 1: So I Will says, he definitely seems like he could
be a guy right off the bat the defense. So Victor,
I'm not predicting this, but Victor Rombriyama was the first
rookie to make an All Defense team since Tim Duncan
And was that ninety eight, ninety eight, ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Whatever one of those two.
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't shock me if I don't think Calin
Murray boy is gonna end up playing enough to do that.
But like that's the intrigue level for him on defense
right now, just as someone who is super portable when
you look at who he was defending, how he moved
around the floor, when you look at just kind of
the ability to playmake And it's also just he covers
so much ground on a single possession rotate seem league
can switch, like he can sometimes get foul happy. But
I mean, like that Summer League, that's being a rookie.
I actually respect that, Like he's he's trying to bring
extra pressure. It felt like when a lot of his
fouls were coming, and I kind of respect that in
a way, And it wasn't like he was pursuing his
counting stats at the same time without necessarily again watching
him make it feel like he's pursuing counting stats. He
averaged four point one stocks per thirty six minutes in
the summer League, And like when you're not talking about
dealing with like the biggest foul trouble of the entire
like the Summer League, like ero, when we look across
all the games play, I'll take it. So I'm sold
on the defense. I think they quite If you have
any comments on the defense, we could go from there.
But I think most people will probably be curious about
the offense.
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing, right, Like, that's that's where
we don't know about.
Speaker 1: I was surprised and impressed at how much time he
spent away from the ball with the same like, because
don't we we've talked about this before in summer league.
Doesn't it feel like teams aren't as apt to tailor
a player's role to what he's going to be doing
with their actual team. At the NBA level, and I
felt like the Raptors did a good job of Yes,
we saw some of the stuff that Calin Murray Boyle
could do on ball. I'm not saying that they boys
could do on ball. I'm not saying we didn't, but
they didn't saddle him with like a ton of self creation.
I honestly felt like he went entire quarters without even dribbling.
To me, he was feasting on movement catches off screens
under the basket, just like headfakes and general ingenuity. He
was on the offensive glass a ton, and like some
of his assists were even just coming without taking a dribble.
And so I think there's an element of right, Well,
the Raptors have enough spacing for him to like be
leveraged fully. The fact that he could do it in
Summer League, I think shows that he can maybe work
within tighter confines. I really hope that they stack. I'm
assuming he'll be a member of the second unit when
we get to start bench G League, like stack that
with put one at least one of your primary creators there,
whether it's a Scottie Barnes and then brandon Ingram one
of those guys. Then make sure manual quickly is there
and then just surround like them then with the best
of your shooters. I came away really encouraged that, like,
this is someone who can play and be effective within
the flow of the offense. It's not yes, there's questions.
There's gonna be questions about the jumper forever maybe, but
to not have to be on the ball, I think
it's a really like and to make an impact. I
think it's a really encouraging sign for him.
Speaker 2: You think he can guard centers, I mean other than
like your Yokices and the guys that nobody can guard
just rule them out.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I I'm gonna say, I'm
trying to think of like what's what's who's the most
league average center, Like could you I feel like he
could guard pretty easily in Nicolevvic okay, yeah, and even
just sort of like a I think he can handle
like a Jared. I'm trying to think of, like what
the the Jokic? Okay, yeah, throw that out and beat
and it's like if he's actually healthy, no, I don't,
I'll see it, But I don't know I was gonna
hold up against it. I'm trying to think of, like
what who what's the prototypical center like right now, when
you think of centers in today's NBA.
Speaker 2: I mean kindey guard kinnyguard DeAndre Ayton for example, like
keep him off the glass like that kind of case.
Ayton has size and the motor's not there.
Speaker 1: But right I think so if Aighton turns it on
like his calinary boyle is going to be strong enough.
I that might be a question, but I I think
he can. I don't know, Like you'd like to see
him in a situation, but they don't have a floor
spacing five, like a reliable floor face spacing five on
the roster. You want to get to those looks. But
now that you said that, me thinking about the cosmetic
makeup of Toronto's roster, like I would throw him at
the five, and I just wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Say, okay, yeah, just because that seems like the key
to me, because I I don't I don't think he'll
have the space to do what he did in Summer League.
If Perle is out there and and if Barnes is
out there too, and Barnes shoots twenty seven percent again,
but if, but if, if you want to unlock the
best offensive version of Murray Boyles. It does really feel
like you can't do it with a paint bound center
in the game, I don't think, and it so like,
I mean, there's plenty of example like PJ. Tucker, you know,
made a career out of it, like just being a
fairly low usage, opportunistic kind of score that could guard
everybody and except for just the biggest centers, he was
strong enough and smart enough and mobile enough to deal with.
Like that's just kind of how early on that does
seem like the way forward for him. But if he
if he develops a shot, then like all of the
analysis changes. But that doesn't seem like it's a well
tell me about that, Like, I know you're not scrutinizing
his stroke or like or anything like that, but did
you do you feel like there's a shot developing in
there that might be real and have enough volume that
you know, he can just become on offense like a
normal combo forward. For lack of a better description.
Speaker 1: I would my guess would be it's going to be
more like a party trick that it's going to be
anything that's the main part of his game, which I
ultimately think is fine. But when you look at the
personnel around him, could get exactly weird. I think him
and Scottie Barnes can absolutely work together. If Yako Pertle
isn't your primary five, I think that gets a little
bit like a little bit too dicey in that regard,
although like we saw Cleveland make it work with Evan
Mobley and Jared Allen before Mobley was in their taking threes.
But and look, it's probably encouraging he did take threes.
He's a two point three over like twenty three and
change minutes per game. So maybe I'll end up being
wrong there, but I don't. I think it's gonna be
more i'll say, more volume than like a Jonas valenciunist.
But I don't know if he's ever gonna get to
the point where it's you know, he's not gonna be
If he ever is at six attempts per thirty six minutes,
I'd be fairly surprised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, start bench g League.
Speaker 1: I mean, in a vacuum, I want to start him.
I'm not gonna lie, But for what the raptors are
gonna do, I think it's bench.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Let's move on to the sixers, who
do they have?
Speaker 1: Granted they have, we're.
Speaker 2: Really kind of playing some hits here early with some
high lottery picks VJ. Edgecombe, crowded backcourt. We've we've talked
about that plenty leading up to the drafts and post drafts.
I mean, that's really gonna be where a lot of
this analysis is if we're gonna be team specific like
we were with Murray Boyles on the Raptors, but maybe
just overall impressions of him obviously billed as just a
ridiculous athlete, like is that going to be useful on
both ends? And to what extent? And then maybe tell
me about what you see his role being on a
team that you know has McCain MAXI probably will have
grimes like where does he fit?
Speaker 1: I think the athletic tools, there's there is ways to
go on defense, But me and you had talked about
do we think that he can defend like wings or anything.
I think he probably can on some of them. He's
gonna have to get stronger, of course, but just like
the physical tools and like even the defense of playmaking,
I think that that's gonna be I think that that's
gonna end up translating, well, maybe not in year one,
but like maybe in year one. Like I think you
could make a case we're gonna start Bencher g league
the Sixers when you look at kind of their wing options,
you might need to just start him in stead out
of a Kelly Ubridge junior. What's interesting about him is
the stuff that we knew he could do, where everyone
was like, oh, he is he gonna be able to
create for himselfs are gonna be strictly a play finisher,
And I came away feeling not that this will be
his most marketable or best skill. I came away feeling
better about the role no one sees him playing versus
the role that he's supposed to play, Like the play
finishing inside the arc. I think with NBA SPA saying
that'll be totally fine. He can run the floor really well,
he can do things, make quick decisions off the catch,
and of like we know he has the physical tools,
but like the two or twelve clip from three is
very concerning and it wasn't all just like him trying
to fire these bombs off the balance, And so that's
something that you have to monitor. And I'm so I'll
can see to a weakness here. I don't like. Unless
I'm watching a team every single night for like months
on end, I'm not good at detecting like the certain
nuances of a Oh look at what he's like with
this hand, or when he's finishing that way, Like I
might notice a wrong footed or offhanded layup, but with him,
the left hand's got some work to do. And I
say that as like, if I notice it, it's probably
a problem because I won't typically notice it. Does that
make sense?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, totally. I mean that was part of
the billing too, right, it's just like this guy, you
know it. Usually it happens with lefties where they just
have like Julius Randall is just like that guy, just
the right side of his body like doesn't function. But
for a righty to have such a bad left hand,
it's it's rare, but yeah, it's super I think that
that squares with sort of what we heard and read
about him coming in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was like in open space there was
problem with the left hand, and so that's gonna be
if defenses aren't gonna give him a metric ton of
respect from three. I don't like how I don't know
how he's supposed to attack in those situations, and it
like be better for were he has to work on it.
He's young, I mean, he's not hasn't even played his
first season yet, but it was it was worse than
I guess I thought. So there was that, but I
actually again I was like, oh, I could see this
guy being like more of a little bit of a playmate,
Like had more patience off the even with the left
handed like handle stuff, had some more patience off the
dribble than I was expecting, like different gears to his
speed and cadence, and I could see him as being
someone who's like, oh, he just averaged like three point
nine or four point four assists per game, and it's
just as if you're a third option. Like I don't
mind that at all. And so for me, it really
comes down to, like probably the three bullet points would
be he he needs to get stronger for the defensive
role that I think he he can play but also
kind of needs to play for Philly. The three point
shot is just I don't it doesn't look particularly awful,
but like he had some really bad misses and some
of them were difficult shots, but like that is you
need to be shooting close to the league average from three,
and then it's the left hand you don't want to
become too dependent on, just like needing to work on
the ball because of what you mentioned with the dynamic
of assuming Grimes comes back, they have Tyrese Maxie. If
Joel Embiid is healthy, Paul George doesn't necessarily want to
play on the ball all the time, but you want
to get him. Looks that like this isn't someone I
want to see as of right now, like spend a
particularly lot of time alongside of Kelly Auberge Junior so
to speed because now I'm wondering, is all right, these
are two guys who can take and make threes, but
like they pretty clearly like need to be on the
ball a little bit more just and maybe that's doing
VJ edgecomb with disservice, like the stuff he might do
as a complimentary or supplementary peace and transition, Like I
think it's really there. So I came away more encouraged
overall about the role or the stuff that he wasn't
supposed to be able to do. That the vision of oh,
like this is someone who might be three and d
with some more levels to the play finishing.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're starting him, benching him, or you're obviously
the g leagues out, but it's the start. The start
bench discussion is especially interesting here because they cannot play
all four of Maxi, Edgecombe, McCain and Grimes. So somebody,
at least one somebody is not starting. Is it? Is
that going to be Edgecomb?
Speaker 1: I guess like yes, but I think I think he
should start because who are we penciling in as the
starters at well full strength, which is a bit it's McCain.
Speaker 2: It's it's probably McCain that you're moving out. I would, well,
I would, just because I think Grime, whether Grimes is
who he looked like with the Sixers down the stretch
last year or not, I think even his like baseline
as a role player is probably more helpful than Edgecomb
can be as a rookie, at least at the outset.
But and McCain just has the smaller sample and comes
with all a lot of the same like we don't
really know how this scales kind of questions as Edgecomb does,
so to me, it feels like it should come down
to McCain or Edgecomb for that third, like we're just
thinking of the Sixers of like a three guard team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. So who would your starting line up
be for this team? We know inbide, Paul, George and
Tyre's MAXI not negotiable if everybody's healthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think I probably go with Grimes.
And then I guess it's like Ubre or Edgecomb, right
that we're debating between or no? Yeah? Right, yeah, that
is that I don't know matter.
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, does Justin Edwards deserve a
look there for what he can do defensively?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that I guess. Yeah, that is the question,
like what are you hoping to get from that last spot,
because if it's, like I guess, if it's secondary playmaking,
which maybe you don't really need, if you do have
embiad and George and MAXI, then it's like I mean,
and then is Grimes, which which Grimes is the real one?
Is another issue because if he's last year six Ers Grimes,
then he can create, he can get plenty of his
own stuff and like great for others. I don't know
how to whether that's a real thing or not.
Speaker 1: So I think so I think what you're looking for
out of that spot is probably they need to defend
wings because Grimes is gonna be better at the point
of attack, and I don't think you want Paul George
to have to defend like the other team's best, bigger
perimeter player. Maybe he can for stretches. I might just
go edge Comb, but I'm not. I'm just coming off
of watching so much of Edgecomb, so maybe that's why.
But it's I don't think, like, I don't think it
should be Ubra, Like, I just don't. I'd rather be
justin Edwards.
Speaker 2: Then I think the best version of Ubra you probably
would take. But that guy's just not always there, just
because he does have the size and the length and
has run hot from three. But yeah, I I mean
in terms of like, I just don't have anything invested
in Ubray. He just like, you know, he picked up
an option and he's back. Like I think maybe these
the one of the better arguments for playing Edgecomb or
one of the other guys is just like they matter
more to the team and we should should be interested
in getting him out there with our other good players.
Speaker 1: I will say, as much as I like Trendon Watford,
I think that there's been like too much of like
a trendon Watford Bandwagon all of a sudden because he's
in Philly instead of Brooklyn. I wouldn't. I'm not starting him.
I want, like at least the idea of more shooting
out of that position, So I think it needs to
be It'll probably be Ubray, Edgecomb or Justin Edwards with
really it being only Ubra or Edgecomb, And I think,
if we're being honest, it's probably gonna be Ubray.
Speaker 2: Is that where you kind of lan, I wouldn't be surprised,
But if it is between those two, you could definitely
talk me into it. Should it should be Edgecomb.
Speaker 1: This comment doesn't make brings up an interesting point though,
so VJ playing so well might have cost Crimes a
decent amount of money from Matthew. What happens if, like Grimes,
this isn't back, they sign and trade him or I
think he'll be back, But like what if he's and
is there anything to the idea of I think if
he's an important player to you, it makes sense to
start him because see what he can do in the
larger context of your team. But like him coming off
the bench, if you want to kind of tap into
the Grimes we saw at the end of last season
might make more sense because more touches in the second unit,
although then you're playing him with McCain, but also he's
going up against inferior competition. There's a lot of different
layers to how Grimes could have a trickle down effect
on what happens with Philly's rotation.
Speaker 2: That yeah, right, And again, if if you believe you
know what version of Grimes you'll see all season, I
you need to tell me the lottery numbers, because I
just that feels like pure guesswork. All right, We're honestly
the Orlando Magic really interesting rookie, someone that uh was
very much hurt by the combine I think when he
measured six to one and that changed a lot of
evaluations for him. But this is also makes me feeling
incredibly old Jace Richardson for The Orlando Magic, what what
are your I guess the most thing I'm most interested
in is just like how much of an issue is
the lack of size gonna be? So as you're going
through his kind of makeup and what you saw, how
big of a deal was that aspect of him?
Speaker 1: It was so much less of a deal. And you know,
I don't like shorter guards, but it was so much
unless they're Geren Brunson, of course, contractually obligated to say that.
The way that he plays, I described it as like
there's a functional friction to the way that he approaches
attacking defenses, and it's just like there's pure acceleration mode,
there's the sudden down shifting and they're both bonkers. And
then the variance with which he bakes them in is
really intriguing to me. It makes him super difficult to cover,
makes it easier for him to create separation. He could
be pulling back for a three. There's the start then stop,
like to throw up a mid range or a push shot.
There's taking you all the way to the basket. That
was the other. It was just like the way because
there's so much of that variance with him operating on ball,
I think that he's gonna be able to get to
the basket more than someone his size typically would. And
then when he gets there and this isn't like I
guess it shouldn't be groundbreaking because he knows how tall
he is, but he looks like he has studied and
figured out how to get shots up off and over
bigger players like the taller rim protector detectors that'll be
waiting for him once he gets there. I also think
that because he's so kind of unpredictable with the speed,
the direction, what he's gonna do with his handle, he
might be a free throw machine, which is just like
if you're Orlando now and you have that element to
maybe sprinkle in that with Pali Bank Carol on the
way he could draw fouls, I came away way more intrigued.
Even with the way he throws passes. I don't know
if he'll be a lead league guard at the NBA level,
but I kind of thought that he was gonna He
threw some passes where I just assumed they were gonna
get deflected, and it's just like, no, he knows how
to like even if he's throwing them like you know,
those like lofty passes that are just begging to be
picked off. He just I guess, understands the timing replacement
better of it in like ways that me watching couldn't
really explain any He Everyone's gonna say this, the dude
competes on like this isn't gonna be if they need
someone to play, and it's a little harder for Jace
Richardson to crack the rotation now when you look at
how Orlando is built. But like, defense isn't necessarily gonna
be what keeps him off the floor, like it would
be a Jet Howard or maybe even a Tias Jones.
Like there's a real physicality to the way he plays.
It's like not he No, this is a terrible comp
so I won't mention the name. He's still gonna be targeted,
is my point. But like, and he's he's kind of
skinny too. He's not super strong yet, so like he
probably needs to fill out a little bit more. Like
this is someone who kred if he was six to two,
had he measured at six too, and he measured its
six to three, he's probably like a top ten pick, which.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're right. I think everybody liked almost everything
about him except for like, oh no, he's just gonna
be too small. What how realistically because you mentioned like
the magic finally did go do the thing and get
a shooter and a playmaker to add to the backcourt,
like realistic, And they still have Anthony Black, who they
seem to like Jet Howard is still like, realistically is
he someone? And maybe this is just the start bench
g league question, like how much playing time do you
think he could realistically get? And who like coming at
who's expense?
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't spot like it would have to
be something. Oh we know how Jamal Mosley feels about
guys who really don't defend too well and so would
have to be Tias Jones is bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1: That's the does that is? Do you see any other pathway?
Speaker 2: It's not the same position, but it's like Tristan da
Silva just isn't making shots, and so we don't care
that one guy's six' eight and one guy's six'. To
one we're just Gonna play jason like, you know you
peel off ten minutes a Game From da silva or
something because who played a lot. Last year by, the way.
Speaker 1: It could be and he does have like so because
also it's gonna be even harder Because Now anthony blacks
minutes are gonna be impacted By Of desmond Bane And,
Tias JONES like I know kcp, went Out But anthony
blacks minutes will. Be impacted so you almost need to
be like better Than Both tias Jones Or. Anthony black at,
this Point or orlando needs to feel like it still
has defense, to spare which maybe that gets a Little
Like desmond bane's probably net, Neutral defender, so yeah that.
Plays OUT but i did come away thinking As the
magic get, more expensive and maybe if they have to
look at Moving At desmond bane or just like there's
someone THERE who i think the. SIZE thing i don't
know how it's gonna like THAT'S but i came away
thinking from what he Did In, summer, league, like oh
if there's someone who is gonna make it at six,
to one like this dude, can score and he can
make good decisions, on offense and he knows he knows
how to be small in a league.
Speaker 2: OF trees i guess you're gonna put him on the,
bench then or send him TO The g league, and
say like you have the, ball now like you just
we're gonna see if you can actually become a.
Speaker 1: Lead, guard, YEAH honestly i think it makes sense TO
Do g league at least for the, rookie, year right
because what are the odds that he's gonna usurp one
or Both Of tias Jones And anthony black in The.
Speaker 2: Road head it's, like you they're very low and it's
just like a philosophical Question, for orlando like do you
want him up with the real team learning the stuff
you can't learn, someplace else or do you want him
to play and see if like maybe there's a slightly
different kind of player in there than he, looked like,
You Know. Michigan STATE so I think i agree. WITH
you i, could see, you know but like it sounds
like but based on what, you're describing is like if
there's an injury or the rotation somehow, gets wonky you
could throw him out there and, you know at least
he's gonna compete right and like make something. Happen offensively
so that's a that's. A, plus.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's i'm way more intrigued by HIM than i
was coming out of, the DRAFT which i probably say
how many times about these players speaking of, being intrigued grat.
Speaker 2: About your And My New, york knicks both of ours
collectively we have. Joint custody not really they're. ALL yours
i get every. Other Weekend, Mohammed Dijuara New york KNICKS
rookie extraordinaiy what do you got, On him.
Speaker 1: Uh could do Like Og an andobi four point zero
feel pretty. APT here, i, was man he can already
defend like as, a helper as an on, ball guy
he can defend across way more POSITIONS than i was
just having coming in not really knowing a ton about
him the on. Ball, stuff grant there's real. Feel there
he doesn't, really operate and that he kind of has
like maybe one to three speeds rather than if there's
an eleven ten, Point dial he's like not gonna explore all.
Of them the jumper's. Not good and that's a SHAME
because i think that he could play right away if
he was even like a remotely competent three. Point SHOOTER
and i JUST don't i don't know if there's a
pathway to him getting there having watched a bunch, of him,
but like this is someone who like the on ball
feel is at, his size it is. Really tantalizing but
when you're going into a team Like, the knicks and
that's assuming if he gets like is he gonna wind
up on a? Two way like what's gonna end? Up
happening like they can't afford to sign and like they
have that veteran slot open and then they need to
sign someone with, No experience so does he get that?
Roster spot does it go To A, james naji does
it go To ding pate who was like he was kind,
Of Intriguing but i'm still most in intrigued by among
the rookies That the Knicks, had dioara which IS why
i picked. Him here it's this is a lot swing
skill for a lot, of guys but it's ken the
three ball fall at with reasonable volume at a. Reasonable
clip h it didn't really Happen during, summer league AND
so i don't know how it's, Gonna happen like there's,
No pathway Like the knicks actually do need, a wing
but it's JUST like i don't they're not gonna have
the patience for him when he shot fifteen point four
percent on threes In. Summer league and again the on
ball stuff, is nice and they guess you could say
they need another ball handler who can, also shoot, but,
like no You Have. Jordan clarkson so if you're gonna
deal WITH, aern c like you're gonna Deal With jordan
clarkson and they play, different positions let me, be CLEAR
but i think there's a better chance of even if
he gets a Contract Like, pocom dottie maybe doing something
just because his defense might be a little. Bit more
it's kind of all over the. Place, Too uh, but
yeah do you are like there's real on ball skills,
there though Is what. I'm saying there's a lot of
defensive portability.
Speaker 2: For sure so it sounds like you're leaning league unless
like the financial constraints in the roster spot issues make
it so, that like well he kind of has to
be just he's On, the knicks but kind of just
because of the roster.
Speaker 1: Slot, situation YEAH it's i think he might so if
they have to, give out if they wind up giving
out to the point that they have to give out
the contract to someone who zero years, of, Experience right
i'm that is the Dude that, i'm, picking like even
more so than the naj even more so Than. Dink
bait but regardless of what, HE'S doing i think it's
like he needs to spend time IN The. G league,
and look if he ever gets to a point where,
it's like oh like thirty six percent of his four
three point attempts per game, or fall and that's that
becomes really really interesting because, the AGAIN like, i said
the defensive versatility, is there and, IT'S like i, DON'T
know I think i don't want to say he's a five.
Position defender he might be a four. Position defend what do?
We got is there a way to Tarn feathered grant
live today FOR a c minus grade For the knicks
on the? Cat trade asking for asking for A? Friend
grant would you like?
Speaker 2: TO respond i probably wrote that at least three, days
AGO so i don't remember anything. ABOUT it, i, mean
Thanks thanks jamie, for watching by, the way uh and
for Not correcting dan on the overarching, versus Overarching which
i'm not going.
Speaker 1: TO forget i now pronounced. Overarching THOUGH did i? Say
overarching he?
Speaker 2: Fixed? You? Really yeah, since then, Shout, out james what
would you grade the cat trade From the? Knick side
while we're on, The topic, oh man is it a?
Good trade would you say it's a good?
Speaker 1: Bad TRADE but i tend to be LOWER and i
don't KNOW how i Feel About julius randall's contract. RIGHT
now I just i.
Speaker 2: Don't know i'm willing to be. TALKED up i JUST
thought c minus felt just, about right like it didn't,
kill him it's. Not perfect he's a. Bad CONTRACT what's
I think i gave them LIKE a c OR a
c plus.
Speaker 1: Or, SOMETHING no, I see i can't give the if
you you'd have to go seize across, the BOARD because
i don't think any team like clearly won that unless you're, just,
Saying well minnesota got like two bodies in the next
one technical.
Speaker 2: Plus versus this is not a. Clear win it's like,
a marginal. Debatable win and that's a.
Speaker 1: Good point generational hater in. The chat do you think?
It all the cat trade is like skewed Because the
knicks gave up everything from A cal bridges when they.
SHOULDN'T have i don't.
Speaker 2: KNOW how i mean there are two. SEPARATE trades i
mean it's the. Cartridges trade can't be the. Bridges trade
LIKE as, I was i grated. That, one yeah, thanks
whatever who Let? More. NICKS uh i KNEW the i
knew what was In the. Bridges trade we've talked about
it and wrote about it plenty times since, it happened
and then going over it to grade it a, YEAR
later i was, just, like really it was. ALL there
i can't believe these, unprotected FIRST like i understand, The
THEORY like i. Get it it's like we need. This
piece we're gonna get them on a. Sweetheart, extension, maybe
well we have yet to see for sure if that's gonna. Play,
out uh, but good Like, dews flash that was a
lot to give up for non star and it just
laid out in front of you when you're bullet pointing twenty,
twenty five first twenty, twenty seven first twenty, twenty nine first.
TWENTY three i just like it knocked me over a.
YEAR later i had a hard time. Parsing it do
you know what.
Speaker 1: The problem is With the cat trade is that it
should be a win For the KNICKS because i think
that he, is clearly just for what he does on
offense at, his peak the best player in. That deal, but,
like yes his peaks and valleys are just, like it they're.
So stark and you.
Speaker 2: Talk about this all the, time though about how like
if he can't be, a center then like his value
is just not what it, seems, Like Right like, i'm
paraphrasing but that's that's like a real core. Issue too,
AND look i think there's a great chance that that
trade looks Better Because mike brown does different stuff like
that's on the table, to ME but i, don't know.
Speaker 1: Like like actual Interplay Between john bruce And, carlathe towns
which would be lovely to see after the way that's
a seriorated. Last season but the center points. Also interesting
and also you have to look at it through, this
vein like what team is banging down the door to
trade Anything For Karl anthony towns's contract right now In
Three and i've heard that's part Of the sometimes you
need to untether it from the value of, the contract
like you this is we're talking about, Actual trade SO
it's i mean it probably Like the knicks can maybe
fit it in better depending on what Happens with bridges'
Extension because Jalen brunts in like signed. His extension the other,
teams could but you can't give him that. Much money and,
then say Like the knicks Interest In. BEN simmons i
know they're a long shot to. Sign him this has
really gone off, the rails but if They Signed, Ben
simmons i'm not saying he's gonna play a, massive role
but it seems to, indicate, that oh like They're the
knicks are just gonna play dual bigs all, the time
and that's like, in essence because That's What ben simmons
is and, that's like that's Not What Karl anthony. Towns
is like that he doesn't become as big of. A
mismatch he becomes easier to insulate defensively as. A four
uh but then like he's he's still really good as
on offense, there too, but man and just also just
the stuff where when smaller players are on him and
he somehow, Gets WORSE like i just understand that. At
all so.
Speaker 2: So man so, In, summary mohammed you ARE a g
league with a detour. For cat let's let's move on
To The milwaukee bucks and A name i have been
eyeballing for good fifteen minutes Bogo. You MARKOVICH so i
just not to be confused with the Other, bogo ube
and we're going to refer to him first and the,
last name just in case there's. Any confusion please tell
me all About. The bucks your your choice here for
the Most interesting buck.
Speaker 1: SUMMER leaguer i get the theory, OF him i just
don't think it's ever going to be actualized AT. The
nba like he had some moments there was THE game
i think he played Against, the clippers he had or,
was it fourteen points on just, eight shots and while
he was moving well without, the ball kind of threw
a couple of. Nights passes there were some tough finishes
from him at. The basket the flickers were just invariably few. Far.
Between uh he like belched out some truly truly bad
missus grant from beyond. The, arc uh and a lot
of them. Were. Open uh He left vegas basically with
just as many turnovers. As assists that's never a. Good.
Sign uh spent too much time like screening and defending with,
His hands like this wasn't SOMETHING that i came. Away through,
Oh no like even if his offense, pans out like
he just might get destroyed on the, Defensive end SO
like i don't know what. To expect he was was
he forty? Seventh overall and then also just if you
wanted to use him as a screener or like he
would just had this weird way of just being in
the way of the ball handles that we're trying to,
get downhill and, it's, like, hey buddy like you could separate,
from them like move off to.
Speaker 2: The right, just oh, we first our, first, hay buddy,
you know it's. Never GOOD it's i. COULD tell i
could tell you don't like him when you, have to
when you have to hat. Buddy him uh so ue
for number.
Speaker 1: FORTY seven i don't know what. You're like the theory
of a stretch big who might be able to throw
some passes and move well without. THE ball i totally.
GET it i just, YOU know I don't i don't
see A lo.
Speaker 2: Is, all, YEAH yeah i mean, he's like, you know
maybe he should have gone. Fifty third probably it sounds
like what you're saying instead.
Speaker 1: Of what he should go no earlier Than When quinton post,
was drafted which was number. Fifty, two right the.
Speaker 2: Vast majority of the players we've talked about on this
shouldn't have gone Ahead Of. Quintin post, All right so
THAT'S a. G league i'm gonna answer it.
Speaker 1: For you, if, whoa, whoa, WHOA whoa i think they
should start him and Really test. GIANNIS'S loyalty i think that's. The, move.
Speaker 2: Really that's how you know they're pushing him out. The,
door finally, All right miami, HEAT widely i guess thought
to have gotten a guy maybe ten spots later than
some expected, caspers yacuccionis is this another, heat find especially
if you forget the VERY First g league game, he
played which. Was, atrocious Yeah pre vegas.
Speaker 1: Was Rough pre vegas. Was rough he played a lot Better.
In vegas there is like he is he can throw
some of these passes that IT'S just i can't even
believe that he. Threw them but it works both ways
for bad, reasons too where, it's yeah there was instances
Of on, miami's team like, you Know the bigs not
being able to catch, the ball but there was also just,
like why like why did you have to put that
much flair? On it AND so i think the ease
with which he's able to get off is off the
dribble jumpers two. Is great he also uses as a crutch.
Too much his most encouraging performance WAS probably i think
it was Against. The hawks he had twenty, four points,
four assists seven to, twelve shooting including five of nine.
FROM three i think when you watch the way that
he moves and can even just because of, his size
like the way he's able to get shots and passes off,
over defenders you could really see what you said at, The,
top oh like look what the? Heat did, they did they,
stole someone they did. It again but you could also
kind of look back and, feel, like oh what? Happened
here it doesn't feel like there's gonna be like a
huge in between range, for him if that, gets like
if that makes. Any sense so it feels like the
upside is, clearly high but the downside is like it
is very. Very DOWN AND i i still look the turnovers,
FOR me i Know It's, summer league but like too
many of them felt preventable or just like he's, trying to,
you know put some more flash on it than he,
needs to or just not taking the fact that there
are defenders in front of him, into account which, just
feels you know a. LITTLE bit I just i think
he's probably where he. SHOULD be i PROBABLY when i was,
DOING grades i might have graded him too harshly because
of what happened At The. California classic, he's intriguing, BUT
like I don't i would question whether if you can
go INTO the nba version Of, THE heat i don't
know what if you, played him he might actually need
to be on the, ball also and that's like a little.
Speaker 2: Bit problematic that was my, exact question is, like hypothetically
say he's sharing the Backcourt, With hero like what share
of the on ball time do you think you need
him to have for it to make the most sense in. That,
pairing yeah answer. A zero and he's a, bench player
then that's an, answer too you KNOW what? I, mean
like but just try to think of how he would
fit next To the heat's current, Best guard like is?
THAT possible i.
Speaker 1: Think what's interesting is that All of miami's go like
best guards, Right Now So, Norman Powell, tyler hero like
they can play off, the ball which. Really WORKS but
i also just maybe he won't. Do This but casper's
was just like over indexed on rejecting screens or like
running away from them basically like not even like giving
the flat. OUT rejection i don't KNOW that i trust
Him to like part of it might, just, be yeah
the pass has got in, his defense like a lot
of his pass has got, to people and like they
were just. Mishandling them, there was of course the misshots
that we know About In. Summer league and now you're
going to Play, with bam so like if you're gonna
run some two game two man action between Him, and bam, like, okay,
like yeah this. IS awesome i just the learning curve
feels like it's gonna, be STEEP and I think i
have trouble. Seeing him this might be the best WAY
that i could contextualize it for, ME anyway i have
trouble seeing him. Scale down if he, pans out it, feels,
like oh he turned into like the primary on ball
creator for. A team that kind of.
Speaker 2: Makes me like to pick MORE because i don't want
just like a solid well he's an eighth guy at
number was? IT twenty i want the guy that's like
he might be a starter that has the ball all,
the time or he might be out of the league
before His, ROOKIE like i want that guy at that
at that point in the. FIRST round, i think especially
if you're the heat that he, don't need like, a solid,
you know guy who's gonna have an eight year career
that's just never any, you know. NEVER great, I know
I like i like the. RISK profile i think that
you're right to like the risk. Risk profiles i'm probably
falling too. LOVE in i want the optionality, of well
can they scale down or can they be used in?
This way he had some like good, Defensive moments so
there's that, As well but, you're right like at pick,
number twenty why not take, the swing especially if You're
a heat team that doesn't Have Like tyler herro, is
great but they were talking about there was like In
That keith smith Of spow track had The His summer
league notes dump and had all these, fantastic quotes and
it seems Like the heat maybe haven't watched Enough Of
norman powell if they think he's gonna do a lot
of on. Ball stuff so, you're right like, in reflection
like the performance in summer league is the Performance in,
summer league but you have like the swing, is right
AND so i don't know if he ends up being,
a steal BUT the i guess the thought process behind
it is. Absolutely, correct, yeah thanks thanks for getting on board.
With me, All right so he's a bench probably right
as opposed to you're not sending him TO the g league.
Speaker 1: Honestly though like, just so do you think that there's
gonna be enough ROOM because i think he needs on
ball touches because that's going to be his best role
as you have the ball make. These decisions can you
give him enough? Of that Like the heat technically could
be well served going through a mini gap year at
least not caring about the wins. And losses they own their.
Own pick but are they gonna? Do THIS so i
think he's capable of making an impact, right now but
you gotta put the ball in his hands like a really.
Good amount or maybe it's, you know we say trial
by fire with putting the ball in your hands as, Their, trial,
like no you learn to work off, everybody else that's
your baptism.
Speaker 2: By, FIRE yeah. I could i could SEE The g
league making sense in, that case especially if you just
want to see what kind of like where the ceiling
and floor are in terms of him being like a
high usage on, the ball all the time type. Of guy,
all right you're ready to Move? To indiana tell me About.
Cam jones.
Speaker 1: The shooting grant is just as up and down. As advertised,
that is that's my biggest takeaway. From him somebody who
WAS when i was, GRANTING him i gave him LIKE
a b minus for. HIS performance i think the self
creation he has. Stands out he's another one though where
it could become a little bit of. A crutch. He'll
settle he settled for too many contested jumpers to, my
liking or he just has these east west detours that
there might be downhill openings available or they're unavailable and
he's just working side to side and really. GOING nowhere
i think he needs to have more variants or maybe
just more optionality to his decision making when he does
have his drives, cut off but really like the ability
to get downstream when he's either in the half court
from a dead stop transition. SEMI transition i think that
kind of keeps, intrigue alive and the drives are going
to be IMPORTANT because i think that's the vehicle through
which his playmaking will. Shine brightest he has a nose
for like some finishing around the basket if it's there
with either. Hand too like that was another thing, was like,
oh okay like he can, do THIS but i think
it's really gonna Have to you want the shooting to be.
More consistent part of that might, be okay well what
does this shot diet? Look like when not just the
type or the where he's, shooting from, but like well
how did that? Shot come were there a few too?
Many dribbles like should there been more offense run before he? Got?
Speaker 2: There okay so. That good that gets to, My QUESTION
and i asked this question not knowing If the pacers
offense will be what it Was without haliburton as sort
of like the biggest or most influential factor in sort
of how they play and move and stuff. Like that
did you see Anything from jones that gave you confidence
or like shook your confidence in his ability to make
super quick decisions and move off the ball and do
all the all the blender stuff That the pacers like.
To do do you do you feel like you got
a sense of how he might work in that? Environment,
Specifically no i'm not. Gonna lie it's hard, To, say
well It's, summer league so what are? You, watching really It's.
Speaker 1: Summer league and it's also just like the off ball
Stuff That tyre's haliburton did, more of especially After The buddy.
HEEL trade i don't Know If cam jones is gonna
have that, In him AND then i just feel like
there is the decision making is just not and not
to compare Him To, tyre's HALIBURN but i don't know
if it's on the level of even like YOU might
i think you Would Trust andrew nemhard or OF course
Tj McConnell moore to run your, offense there and it
kind of comes, down, to, like yeah he'll probably be
a better Playmaker Than. Benanic mathrin but that's damning with
faint praise to.
Speaker 2: Say, That Okay, taylor peter what do we got?
Speaker 1: On him he's like kind of just feels like a
guy that's going. To work it's just constantly moving off,
the ball away from. The ball if he's not playing
in that, constant motion he's just like the floor navigation
in the half court of, like knowing OH do i
have to lift up OR do i have to relocate
to the corner where you're not in that. Constant motion
you could just kind of feel his brain. Processing EVERYTHING
so i think he probably got a sense for if
you're looking for someone who might be able to chop
her in and fit better With. The pacers it just
he's an. Instinctual cutter like this just feels like someone
who's more so wired to be part Of this, pacers
team Especially Without. TYRE'S haliburton i think that there is
some on. Ball upside he's, relatively patient maintains his dribble
when he gets into. The lane he kind of just
like uses his eyes to catch defenders like, off balance
like he's looking almost anywhere than where he's gonna. Pass
IT so i was more impressed with the live dribble
THINGS than i really knew. Of him, and really with
the exception of like that Game, against Okac and i'm
not talking ABOUT The, nba finals please do not confuse
that his shooting never. Really popped it's like that something,
To consider but given that that was one of his
most bankable skills coming out, OF school i think that
you could, just say, all right like summer League is
summer League Is. Summer LEAGUE so i kind of like
his fit On. The Pacers and i'm probably also colored
by the Fact That caitlin cooper tweeted that he Should
get indiana's final two way spot or whatever, it Was
And kevin pritchard replied to her with the, handshake emoji
and so like that probably just up upped my grade immediately.
Speaker 2: From there so both of these GUYS probably, g leaguers certainly,
not starters but in any bench possibilities, YOU think i.
Speaker 1: Really Think talent peter, could be But the pacers are
still just. So deep, BUT like i would love to
see him like they're going To be i'm sure they
plan on still, being respectable but like if you're not
going to experiment with players, like this like just the
six or four guy who does a lot of things
well or is like kind of a like has some m,
ball stuff but could just be like maybe a little
bit of a connector at both ends of the floor
might not give him some run and then if you
need to convert him at, some point like you just
figure it. Out then and he's also just because he's,
twenty three like just might be one of those guys
that comes in and you can see his the poise
that you saw in summer league like does translate away, because,
there's yeah there's something, scientific, like oh these dudes are
a little. Bit older maybe they'll just fare slightly better
once they get to the. Big club, all.
Speaker 2: Right let's move To The. Detroit pistons just wanted to, Discuss,
Here Uh chas lanier tell me it's tell me your
thoughts on his summer league performance and where he might
might or might not fit In the.
Speaker 1: PISTONS rotation, i, mean look Now That malik beasley is,
not there that's a dude that absolutely might just fit
like the movement away from the ball is insane and
they need they still need. Capslock shooters They Have, duncan
robinson they got Cast, of verb but they still need.
Capslock shooters and if his Performance in vegas was any
indication it could, be linear so they didn't like you
could look at it, and, say oh like the percentages
should be a little bit higher for the twenty three,
year old but he got them up, grant, quickly cleanly
off motion and. Under pressure there, are SHADES and i
want to make it clear emphasis on SHADES because i
Know who i'm talking to. Right now Of Just. Klay
thompson careful in him when you look at the half,
court relocation the transition trailing and overall floor mapping even
as well as just like he has a pull up two,
to him Remember prime clay trying to get to like
getting to. THOSE spots i don't think his defense is
gonna endear Him To jamie, bickerstaff though so that will
be something. To walk but you want someone who could
come in and just score and just like a variety
of ways without ever having to monopolize possession on. The
ball like that'n that's, Your guy like that's just someone
who Should interest detroit.
Speaker 2: For, sure yeah so definitely like right player type for
what they're. Looking for it's just a question of can
he be a good enough version of that to matters
as a rookie And then i'm really probably over the
next couple.
Speaker 1: Of years there's still a, point though would you say
that you should be willing to truck if he's on, Your,
books like you should be willing to try, him, out
right just because we know that they had a fantastic
here last season and there's clearly expectations there leading into.
This one but you also like you're still sort of
in self, discovery mode Like With ron holland had a great.
Summer league we're not talking, about sophomores, but, like, yeah
again we need to see More Of ron holland, next.
Speaker 2: SEASON right I think i think maybe my answer would
be different if it were another type, Of player but
based on what, you're saying it sounds like this is
kind of a, specialist ROLE and I guess I'm more
i'd be more willing to explore or just like, to
quote like to toss someone out there and, be like
can you do the thing that we need you to
do and not kill us at everything else that that
seems like an, easier sell uh for because, the, pistons
look the. PISTONS are i think they're gonna. BE good,
i mean, you know maybe there's some clawback from last
year's huge leap in, the standings but. Maybe not and so, you,
can't like you can't just keep messing around or keep
trying to figure stuff out like you're good enough to.
Wear that you have to take more of a case
by case approach. To that but in, this case if
he's if he could Be a beasley, stand IN then
i think you probably do kind of at least explore
it a. Little bit so maybe he's a. Bench guy.
All right so we're Onto The cleveland. Cavaliers Here tyree's
proctor big name if you're a college, BASKETBALL fan, I suppose,
but uh IS he i. DON'T know i like that
they got him where, they did just because it's some
of the, Pedigree stuff, but like is he is he realistic?
Gonna play and then if, he does like what will
be his carrying skills? And what then on the, FLIP
side i guess what might prevent that? From HAPPENING so
i think what.
Speaker 1: He does is he gives you a potential sort of
and they might have this a little bit Too in Jail,
And tyson but when you're looking at trying to fill
what a lot Of caris lavert And Nor ti, jerome
did he seems best suited to blend those two more
so Than in Jail. And tyson he's comfortable working on,
the ball but he also showed that he could work
off it during some league at least hit those. Jumpers
there he also plays at a, speed that Like ty,
jerome specifically is, never explored like he can get to
warp speed like that even from a. DEAD stop i
think what's gonna be sort of a defining skill for
him is what does the playmaking? Look like AND because
i think That if cleveland's looking, for anything it's can
You be it'd be nice to have someone who could
be a more aggressive score Than A craig. Porter junior
but you want someone to be like maybe a better
passer Than a Jae and tyson, right now and you
want but you also want someone who could break down
set defenses in the, half court which is not Something
That lonzo ball is. Gonna, Do Uh tyre's proctor has
Like A donovan mitchellian chaos to him on, the ball
like like the suddenness of his speed or like. Shifting
gears i'm not saying he's gonna be. That good he's
not made, that clear but he did show hints of
just oh look At that, lobby threw or there was
like a couple of nice pocket passes that. He had
if he can do, THAT consistently i don't see a
role for him on this year's clean like you're, gonna
default but. This does it was a nice swing in
terms of can we GET an? Nba PLAYER and i
think the answer is, just, like yeah he could BE an,
nba player which is just if you're gonna get the
confidence level of some of these guys that are being
taken IN the i don't like just say the forties,
and beyond or whether they're undrafted like he he was
certainly intriguing for the spot where they, took him and
just also knowing kind of like maybe not what, they
need but who. They lost or there's all these different
types of guards that do these different things and he
might be able to blend more of.
Speaker 2: Them together i'm still g, leaguing him. Are?
Speaker 1: YOU yeah, I mean i mean if he's playing minutes
for the cow though something's probably. Gone wrong but Remember
When Craig porter junior was doing that and it was,
all right this is, an ideal but it's.
Speaker 2: Working, right Yeah That greg porter really had. A moment
if it was two, YEARS ago i think that he
had a real. Stretch there, all right we're Onto The.
CHICAGO bulls, i mean. This guy let's Hope That noah
sange is known for more than getting dunked on because.
THAT that i, don't know how did you? FEEL about
i honestly felt bad for him because the way that
that photo, came out it was, just, like, oh man
he doesn't need this and it's just gonna be a
defining characteristic of HIS until i don't, know when maybe maybe.
Speaker 1: FOREVER whatever, i mean like he could have made the
business decision and gotten out of. THE way i don't
EVEN like i just. That stuff the face, Was funny,
but yeah you kind of, feel bad especially NOW as
i get a little, bit older and, it's, like oh these,
are kids and like we're just, meming, children right.
Speaker 2: He had a hard DAY that i bet it wasn't
any fun to check his phone after for it probably, Still.
Speaker 1: Is and you know he's on his phone too because
of just like how that, Works now so this isn't
like completely. Ignoring it he, was though independent of. Getting
posterized he was just all over. The place and, he's
nineteen so what else are you going? To expect the
physical tools due point to someone who will get by
be lining towards the rim and drawing fouls until the
rest of his game. Flushes out, that's good and he
did provide a glimpse into what the fuller package might.
Look like it was his. Third game he pumped in
twenty one points on seven or, fourteen shooting including three
of eight from beyond, the ARC and i think the
percentage there is equally important to, the volume like getting
up eight three is in a. Single game he looked
at home getting off his three ball in that game,
as well and he just showed more variance with his
handle like he got in. That game he was able
to get to there was a shot where he was
able to get to and just get off his mid
range jumper, pretty FLUIDLY and i think that's an. Encouraging
sign but the offense is just it's a work. In,
progress overall kind of feels like he's flailing sometimes when
he gets, down here throwing his body places or just
trying to draw, a foul and it's not always gonna.
Work out it can look out, of. Control sloppy he
will bail out on some of his, drives too like
before when he has room to, go more or like
for someone who's maybe looking, for contact he's not following
through all. THE way i could do with fewer of
the contested. LAYOFF layoff i could do a, fewer, layoffs yeah,
for everybody but fewer of the contested layups that he.
Got off and then like the defense is just sort
of it comes. And goes he can be he can
be pesky when he's playing at full bore and he
flashed a lot of high energy on. The glass he
can also just sort of disappear from POSSESSIONS or, i
think like we there might be some low lights for
him where it's he got blown by or he got
back cut on. Like this not saying he'd be First
Team all memed, on defense but it's not. FOR that
i don't even think it's gonna, be, like oh look
he just. GOT posterizers i don't think it's gonna. BE
that i think it Might, be oh he was just
caught body out, of position got blown by or he
wasn't paying attention and he got back. Cut on it
feels like that's gonna be more of the stuff needs to.
Deal With, which well a team draft.
Speaker 2: A nineteen, year old, that's like that's that's that's part of.
The PACKAGE so g, LEAGUE probably i MEAN that's i,
don't know that's a fairly high pick FOR a. G.
Speaker 1: LEAGUER no i think you need to, Play, HIM okay,
i like it's just you're THE bulls i. WOULD call
i would bring him off, the bench AND it's i
think there's like a weird get Him And modest buzzello's
playing together and then, LIKE vouch I guess vooch stretches
the floor reliably, so maybe but like Him and modest
buzzellis Feel like bozells might have more like girth or strength.
To him but it feels like they're both kind of
fours without needing to. Be threes but maybe you could
get away.
Speaker 2: With.
Speaker 1: IT uh i think you probably feel Better about i'm
kind of asking you. This too who would you feel better, About,
SAYING oh i know that guy is going to be
more of a. Combo wing Is It noah sangue or
is it a is It? Modest buzzellis at, THIS.
Speaker 2: Point i think you just have To say bouzillis because
he showed some of that stuff as. A rookie i,
think certainly like, SKILL wise i mean again it's it,
Was FLASHES but i would just Default to bizells EVEN
though i mean a lot of. THE criticisms i think
Although like bizillis plays really hard AND and i think
he's JUST further, i mean he's just a. BETTER player
i think he was a better player at this time last,
year TOO so i would lean him. Pretty strong.
Speaker 1: He was he was one of the more surprising rookies. For,
Me right we're just like a lot of the stuff,
he did especially, on defense really turn turned.
Speaker 2: My. Head, YEP yeah i think he's going to be
A player a saying all we'll see, too early, All
Right So charlotte hornster next got a couple of them.
Speaker 1: Konk.
Speaker 2: NIPPLE uh i guess my thoughts on him initially were
like the shooting, will work and then Everything else i'm.
Not sure so, and again since we don't really care
about shooting percentages In, summer league what's the what's the
everything else look like? To you and and that. Can
encompass can he stand in front of? His guy can
he use his strength and craft to get to spots
on the floor to? Draw, fouls like is he athletically,
you know capable of hanging in like all the other
ways to just keep his shooting on.
Speaker 1: The, Floor, OFFENSIVELY yes i think there's going to be
more of a fuller. Package there he's really good at kind.
Of keeping this is another guy where it feels like
he's using his eyes or the direction of his just
sightline to throw defenders. Off KILTER so i think that,
the playmaking maybe it's not gonna be super, high end
but he will do enough of it and can score
in a like different ways than just like just maintaining
your dribble can be a, cheat CODE and i think
that he is one of those guys that can. DO
that i but, the defense like the limited athleticism, AND
speed i think is really just going to come back to.
Bite him he does have good size what he listed at,
six seven, BUT yeah i, DON'T like i don't know
what to make of, him DEFENSIVELY and i think it's
Just really i'm higher on the playmaking and the ways
in which he could score just outside of. The shooting
that makes me, feel, like oh this is gonna be
a like a really good overall. Offensive prospect and he. Did,
HAVE again i think it's because of his size and he's.
Not weak there were some just like sturdier, defensive stands
like guys not really being able to move him. As
well but when you're gonna face guys that have more
rocks blosion and more directionality to the way they're gonna
operate on, THE ball i think he could run into.
Some trouble, but again the size helps. Him, there look
we would have a comment in The chat khan has
great strength and can get to where. He, wants yeah we,
SAW that i think, on offense but WE also I
do i think that might help him on defense a.
Speaker 2: Little, BIT okay i THINK it's i feel like the
playoffs in particular have shown us that teams are more
willing to have a defensive vulnerability on the floor if
they can shoot it. Or PLAYMAKE and i don't feel
like that Was necessarily you couldn't get away with that quite,
as easily like even five. Years ago so that's all.
To Say can nipple comes into the league at the,
right time because if he really is gonna be able
to make shots and get to spots on the, floor
offensively then whatever you shade to, his side you try
to hide him all this other stuff on defense and
you can get away. With IT so i TAKE your
i definitely agree with the defensive concerns and just the
general athletic limitations that kind of make him play smaller
defensively than he. Actually is but with.
Speaker 1: Him too is just like one of the most, popular
COPS and i look at him, On offense, i'm like
this just. Isn't FAIR but i think people are trying
to cake in the. Defensive limitations Was the Corey Kisspert
and i'm sort, of like there's nothink he's going to,
be better WHICH so i think that that's being too
hard or too harsh on whatever weaknesses you think he.
Speaker 2: MIGHT have, I mean i kind of this this is
also a bad, comp so but it's kind of all
the way the, Other Directions Like, joe ingles who like
was sneakily an incredible pick and roll operator because he
had good feel and saw the angles and was big
and strong enough to like get where he needed. To
get to find the right angles and was like like
lights out shooter that couldn't. GUARD anybody I think nipple's
more Athletic, than ingles but that's not saying anything but
that that felt more like the type of player, to
me where like, he's smart, he's strong he gets where,
he wants and he makes open shots and then you
just survive with.
Speaker 1: Everything else what about like a Better shooting Kyle.
Speaker 2: And, ANDERSON sure i Mean like anderson has like fringy
center size in. Some lineups, but YEAH like, i, Think
wow anderson's hands are, SO good i need.
Speaker 1: To, SEE well i mean that the defense of comparison
is but again that might be the he doesn't have
the same physical like the same length and size as, you're,
mentioning well What is anderson loss at, SIX' nine i
guess that's what he is.
Speaker 2: Something, like that, yeah so yeah the defense.
Speaker 1: Is probably, unfair but offensively it's just sort of like.
He could operate maybe that's a terrible because the way
he could score off motion that Was Never even joe ingles.
A Strong Suit but joe.
Speaker 2: Ingles, IS no, yeah, i mean yeah. That's the thing
there's not REALLY a, great i mean we could probably if,
he sat down we. Could do, better but yeah there's
not a great, comp for him other than just just
citing a lot of like some real pluses on offense
and then not. Sure, on defense oh regulator, Speaking Some
truth desmond baine, is a comp might be a better
defender in. A few, YEARS i mean I don't, KNOW
baine well i guess the, Shooting Is there like bain's
just full stop one of the best three point shooters,
in The league and cannipple probably. Should be that bain's
a little more, Athletically Dynamic though like bain in the
open floor can, run guys over can, run past guys that,
kind of thing has like that, quick step back the.
Side Step stuff maybe cannipple he, could, get THERE maybe.
BUT i Don't i think bain's not LIKE in the
nba because, of his athleticism but he's quite a bit
More athletic than, Knipple, to me?
Speaker 1: Yeah who's that this is gonna, Bother me now like
who's the Actually Good con? K nipple comp.
Speaker 2: I don't know i will have to well to do
a special episode if we don't get some good. Submissions
On that, Another charlotte, Rookie liam McNeely what do?
Speaker 1: You think there so this IS someone who i knew
a lot less, about coming IN and SO i think
i came away like super, impressed with him MORE so
than I was With kan K nipple because i was
probaking off such. An, ignorant baseline yeah, but my god like.
He can score another dude who can score in like
a bunch. Of different ways when you, were watching him
you just kind, OF saw like i can't believe he
dropped as low. As he did it was like kind of.
My first impression but the comfort of GETTING shots off
i think. Speaks for itself he can run, into long threes,
fly off screens he caught on the move and then
would navigate traffic. Inside the arc he attacked closeouts even
on courch from some frum scratch jumpers as well after beginning.
From dead stop so not like someone who needs that.
Runway to start there's the open four playmaking and the
opportunistic rebounding was the and THIS is what i wrote
was it was kind, of the oh The meme with
SHACK where it's i owe. YOU an apology i didn't
have nearly enough knowledge of your game or. WHATEVER it
says i was just like he had some of THESE
rebounds and, i was like? What the fuck and then it, Made,
you Remember oh like leam McNeely is not like some
six foot two whatever dude He's listed at he's listed
at six seven two or is? HE even taller i
can't remember what he was listened he was listed at. Six,
seven too yeah so like he was six y seven
and kind of know who had to use, it at
points and there's like a there's a. SHIFTINESS to him, i,
don't know man the defense will be pretty bad if
you're playing him can pull in. The MELLOW together but
i would watch the ever live in hell out. OF that,
offense i mean do?
Speaker 2: You see him whose minutes is? He eating into like
You're Not like brandon miller is gonna PLAY a Ton I.
Speaker 1: ASSUME josh green i don't need to see you. In
the rotation you.
Speaker 2: Don't like You Don't. LIKE josh green i mean like
he's not well big enough to Get In. About, JOSH
green well i just want to know how good of
a passer On the move, leam McNeely is because that's going.
To decide it Because We know josh green is in ninety. Nine,
at that.
Speaker 1: Honestly It almost con sexton's. A better player but it's
just If you're the hornets and you're geared, towards the
future maybe this Doesn't happen until february turn, but, it's,
okay like oh you're just. Playing A lot collin sexton
was traded. Or something like that's the Route that the
hornets seem like they. Should probably go.
Speaker 2: So this is, A bench guy i, mean for sure
right like they're not. G leaguing him i.
Speaker 1: Would say bench For, him with nipple would?
Speaker 2: You start him, it's pretty. Crowded isn't it.
Speaker 1: They have so, many, GUARDS now.
Speaker 2: Yeah i Mean they brought. Man act too that's who's
probably just, at the moment probably a Better. PLAYER than cannipple,
i don't know maybe that's maybe, that's not, fair but
yeah You're gonna Play LaMelo. A ton miller You still
got bridges. THAT'S gonna play i guess in between there THERE'S.
Speaker 1: Some room, i, don't, know like yeah how invested Are
You And nick smith junior? At this days they Did,
just SIGN yeah so, i would honestly you know what could?
Open it up you'd have to just play small, as you,
is Say hey like Liam McNeilly and kak nipple are
gonna play a lot of small forward and We're Gonna
xcize miles bridges, from the rotation play A Lot with
brandon miller and. GO that, route, i think ooh we
might have a Good. Comp for liam do You Think?
ABOUT chris, mullen I mean the hornets. Won the draft if,
That's the case Mullen is A hall. Of famer man look.
Speaker 2: AT these comps i love the optimism of the. Of
these pods. This Is amazing sum.
Speaker 1: What do you think about like a six Foot Seven
inch Steph? Curry for liam BUT you know i.
Speaker 2: Could see it we're just, talking, About, Ceilings, Right, UH
okay well i, think we uh we've both been Big.
FANS of well I thought the hornets they ended up
having a.
Speaker 1: Really good draft There's. We, like charlotte yeah THERE'S some questions,
i think Overall but like Leam, MCNEILLLY and continent i
think are guys, that are gonna Whether it's IN, charlotte
or they'renna end UP sticking in nba rotations pretty.
Speaker 2: Clearly, to me, yeah all right we got a. Big
one here This Is, the brooklyn nets who had roughly
fourteen eleven dy trillion, first round picks and they made
them all. In the draft first we got, TO start,
with i mean one of the most interesting players. OF
the class a little bit of a reach maybe according
to some where they took them using their their very
first of their eleven Dy Trillion, firsts yegor, demon good passer,
interesting big guard maybe can or can't shoots the what's their?
Rundown on him? After SUMMER league.
Speaker 1: So i think you saw moments where, all the priors like.
They lined up the passing. Can certainly pop the size is.
Definitely a WEAPON but what I thought, the nets did
and we Mentioned This, with CALINARY boyles what I thought
the nets did well is in part this they had
so many other prospects on their, summer league team but
like they had him off the ball a ton and
he made threes and so now all, of a sudden
you're looking at someone who might be, more you know
the comp For Him. WAS josh giddy i Saw comms
To Luca, And josh giddy like you talk about like
running the gamut. OF perspective comparisons i think he's gonna
be more functionally malleable Than Like, a josh. Giddy let's
say and so what he needs to learn, to do
is if you're gonna play off, the ball more can
you touch the paint, off the catch which was something.
He struggled with otherwise he needs to have the ball.
IN his hands i thought he held up like to
his size and what we were expecting. Fro him defensively
actually thought. THAT was fine, I you know i liked him.
BEFORE the draft i actually Came Away from SUMMER league
and i don't think he did as much as everyone
would have liked to have seen about with the flashy,
stuff and like oh look what he did. For, THEIR
offense yeah i can wait more intrigued just because it's
it was the, calmery boils thing, all of it, and
it's like oh this guy can DO Or Even vj
edgecomb whereas this guy's doing Something that wasn't bill necessarily.
As his strength so color.
Speaker 2: Me, MORE intrigued okay i mean he's he's a, really
interesting player and he's kind of in the yacouchionis, camp
for me except the nets took him a lot higher than,
the heat did where it's like, there's pretty, legit like
bust this guy, can't play potential but there's also like
some really, interesting upside that like you just kind of
have to gamble On, if you're brooklyn especially if you
have several more cracks at just getting someone else that's
gonna play the same position in. That same class so
let's go. To, Another ONE, uh nolan treiori what did you?
Think of him more of A more of i guess
a conventional point guard than demon just because. Of, the size.
Speaker 1: Yeah not nearly as good, AS a passer, I don't
think but, Holy. Fucking speed grant this IS just like
i guess he has to be the fastest on ball player.
In the draft like the drives are just insane with it, Doesn't, even,
matter like yeah you give him a ball with like a.
Head of steam the defense, is in trouble but like
he could just operate from a dead stop get by.
Everybody the look the swing skills is gonna. Be the
shooting he's not a good, shooter right now and his
finishing was all, Over the place but when you watched
him get, to the basket the way he was able
to get by guys or even just sort of, Burst
through traffic he's gonna be. A good finisher, At THE
ring like i Feel like that i'm pretty CONFIDENT in
and i think that he's going to create a. Lot
of advantages i'm just out of those drives the Way
That again summer league caveat the way that defense has
sort of reacted when he would get downhill in like
insane and he's. Gonna be able he's at Least someone through.
He's another guy where who do we say? This about
already like the drives are going to be the vessels
through which that he's creating, For everybody else and, you
know what. Like that's okay his passes didn't feel As
Like with jeremiah fears when we're Talking, about the pelicans
felt a LITTLE two last resorti, on his drives his.
FELT more organic i didn't even throw him. Up on
screen and apologies to The Apologies to nolan trey or,
above all, else but yeah you're demon getting some more.
SCREEN time there i think that he like there's a chance,
we look back or he might even. Just enter It
Even if cam thomas is, on the team he might
Just Be off rip brooklyn's best advantage creator on. The
offensive end how?
Speaker 2: INSANE is that i mean not very considering the the
the guards that THEY had, last, I mean yeah thomas
is a different kind. OF advantage creator i guess like,
That he created.
Speaker 1: Thomas isn't gonna get to the basket as much. Like
he doesn't he's not. Predicated on speed he's gonna be
a little bit more surgical when AND he's also i
don't think he's gonna be as good. AS a like
i Think no one treora is gonna end up being
if you don't want to say the quality of passes.
ARE super complicated i think he will be a more
willing playmaker for.
Speaker 2: The most part do you think from the Early reviews
that triory might be someone that is just like more
ready to have a pretty ball Dominant role. Than Demon,
DOES like demon, i don't Know he always My concern
with demon is that he's gonna be like it turns
out he's a connective passer just because of, his Other,
limitations whereas trory the way, you're describing him seems like
he's more, of a conventional break, the defense down make
the pass to the open guy.
Speaker 1: Type OF GUARD so i i see, what YOU'RE saying
AND i ACTUALLY i think i could agree. TO some
extent i think the bigger problem IS is that i
Don't Know if nolan treyori could scale down enough because
of how shaky his own shooting, is gonna be and
so The Fact that jegor demon can play. Off the,
ball and look we talked ABOUT per that f five
substack post three point attempts per thirty six minutes or
the best translatable Like Measurement, Of Summer league yego demon
attempted to eleven point one to threes per, thirty six
minutes and he shot forty three point five, Percent on
them so accuracy doesn't. Translate as well but that was
just like that wasn't even what was the biggest. Concern
with him, it, was like oh shooting and does he
need to have the ball? In his hands and it
was apparently those were both just sort. Of LIKE undermined
So i, wouldn't, i'm probably man that's a good that's.
A great QUESTION i think i, WOULD say that, I
don't know it's not. Concerning for me i'd be more
Concerned About can nolan treori find his NICHE in the
nba more so Than Can yaeg or demon? Find his
WHEELHOUSE just because I Think yeage or demon can do
a lot a lot. Of, different THINGS.
Speaker 2: Yeah if i mean if he, can shoot it if you,
can shoot it then you'll someone will find a. Place,
for YOU yeah so i Could see why triory maybe
not having that dimension at the moment is kind of
a like what do we.
Speaker 1: Do with someone who gets to the? BASKET so much
i think you would like to probably see him draw
like a. Few MORE fouls like i think that's certainly
something that will develop as a part, Of his game
but a lot of it was sort of self sabotage
with just either some of the takeoff points or he
missed like he missed a lot of good opportunities at.
The basket TOO so that's i guess that's both. ENCOURAGING
and discouraging.
Speaker 2: I think too like, to you know maybe to paint
his foul drawing issues as more of like a. A
fixable thing guys that, are that fast that like early
in their careers are just tend to be bad foul
drawers because like they've never had to slow down or
like jump into somebody. Or use craft, IT'S just well
i JUST outran and i beat him. TO the backboard i,
always think back just this will shock You have. A
warriors comp i think Back To. Like Monte Ellis young
monte ellis was just like he's the fastest guy on
every floor he's ever been on for, his whole life THAT,
included the nba and he couldn't draw fouls for shit
because he just never had, to learn how and he
would just try to go around. OR pass guys i
can see That being something. Triori overcomes eventually but then
related to, that is like is he gonna be guarded
honestly because you could just give him A huge cushion
if he's not gonna threaten you, with, A shot maybe.
I don't know there's a lot to kind of deal.
Speaker 1: With for him so His comps were i'm LOOKING now
because i wasn't familiar WITH what his nba comps were
coming out. Of the Draft There, was TONY parker which
i think is, a Terrible Comparison and scoot. Henderson Not
terrible De jent de Murray was De. Jean dea murray
he never had like blow by blow like he did
some crazy stuff in transition, during his prime but He,
was never yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Was fast BUT not like i don't know if i'd
call that. His defining skill he needs to shoot.
Speaker 1: The ball better but wasn't there a question about this
player when. HE came In I think tyre's maxie maybe
might be a good comp.
Speaker 2: Oh, for, SURE yeah yeah. I don't think I don't
think maxi's shot was like necessarily a given until it
definitely was a couple.
Speaker 1: Of, YEARS in no i don't think He's what ad
treyori SHOOT In the gi excuse me saying he? Was all,
right so yeah he was at fourteen point three percent
on two point three in, Test PER game so i
Don't know if maxi's jumper was ever in that much
of don't. We, Don't Care granted summer league we Only
care about we only care about the eye Test and he.
Speaker 2: We only care about the eye test and attempts. For
thirty six those are the only two things.
Speaker 1: We care about now you're going to build Your Team,
AROUND cam thomas i think you have To say yaeg
or demon is MORE valuable because, I, Like you Nolan
Treyori and cam thomas working to get like a lot of.
ADVANTAGE creation there i guess you could say there's tons
of on ball decision making when it. Comes, to scoring.
Speaker 2: Yeah with, GLASS half full a couple more nets. We're
Not done, uh ben saraff what? DO we think i.
Speaker 1: Have, No THOUGHTS no so i thought he was sort
of the quintessential example of how the eye test doesn't
always a lie. With the results he had sub, forty
true shooting which is like we're, watching it. Home spoiler alert,
that's not great so keep. That in mind but it
feels like he's just going to be filling a ton.
Of different holes there was like a fluidity to the
way that he moved off and, on the ball and
like the off ball shooting was really FOR someone who
i think, when you look. He's six' eight for someone,
who is six eight you don't necessarily think that they're
gonna be able to move as. Well as he did
like it feels like because they have more whims and,
body to think about they might move a little bit
slower or. Just not as smoothly that wasn't. An issue
for him he has this. Enviable on ball balance if
you are going to, ask him to create to create and,
he can change directions there's like a guile that will
help him create advantages because he's. Not gonna blow butt
like He's The opposite of trey. ORE in that context
i just don't know how well those advantages are gonna
come when his separation versus defenders is RELIANT almost entirely
on i, need to outmaneuver them and so that could
burn valuable time. Off the shot clock it could be
like if defense, is coming into help like that could lend.
Itself to more turnovers but he passed the offensive, eye
tests for me and for someone with that type of skilled,
dynamic at six'. Eight it's sort of Okay it feels
like the nets drafted players that have a lot of
redundancies to where you want to see a lot. Of
them on the ball that's kind of, What, they needed
the most. Like GO take those swings but i came
away just the eye test with him certainly popped more.
Speaker 2: Than the, numbers, ever did all, right Lastly for this exercise,
the Nets Have OTHER, guys BUT danny wolf i so
i had a hard time, getting a sense, of, him
didn't you know newsflash we don't. Watch A ton of
college but, I, was Under the impression oh the nets
drafted a, bunch, Of Guards and like. Wait danny wolf's,
house tall oh but wait he kind of is still
an on ball like playmaker type so they stuck to.
Their guns, a LITTLE bit fair.
Speaker 1: Fair but I came away thinking That I don't know
where danny wolf is SUPPOSED. To fit in the nba
and so like He Did finish stronger in summer league
than when he started his final game, eighteen point six
to twelve shooting, to a four from three got to,
the foul line eight times, only shot fifty percent, There
had four assists too so he can clearly. Do stuff
ON the ball but Like i running point for michigan
is very interesting because he was six to eleven and.
THAT'S what he was doing i don't think that use
is just gonna even come close to. Holding up in
the pros like his. Handle is to loosey goosey it's
gonna result, in a ton of turnovers not. Even talking
about the passes it's like just him getting THE ball
like from point a. TO point beyond the floor i
think that that's going to be a misadventure. A lot
of the time he has, like some mid post division
so operating from a standstill with guys cutting around. Him
that that is interesting but he's NOT physically strong enough
to i think warrant. That kind of role either uh
and then the summer league of. Summer league is summer
league like the poor free throw shooting here was he
ended up shooting. Sixty six point seven percent he was four,
to four and one game zero three throws the other game.
And then four of eight just kind of another. Thing
that's a little bizarre he's NOT a big but he's
i certainly do not think that he can. Be like
a playmaking, wing and if it is it's in a. Very.
Just like limited, context.
Speaker 2: Yeah and then? Defensively who is he guarding like? Based, on,
what you saw what like what's the?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 2: You putting him on big so you can't you can't
seriously put him on like if, he's a quote unquote
guard you're not. HAVING him check. Other, GUARDS i wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Imagine NO i don't know i'm i don't know if.
He could check other wings this might be, a situation
where it's like can you gotta find this maybe the
slowest footed perimeter player and. Like stick him on there
but maybe he should, look he has the size so
maybe they do develop some more, of his like big
man and like maybe one of the, things you could
do is let's say You're Playing, him, next to nick
claxton like have him just be ultra aggressive like on
whoever you, want to throw him on, blitz picking rolls
Or Whatever and just have nick claxton sort, of clean.
Up FOR you like, downstairs, but I don't Know like
am i. JUST i'm just spitballing here i? Don't, know,
WHAT he is yeah yeah i just don't think he
CAN be like a like. A two or a three
and he's certainly like he shouldn't be defending at the,
Point of attack really.
Speaker 2: Ever so for, ALL four of these guys i guess,
we could just you know. TREAT them, as a group
i mean it sounds to me Like you're Saying like
maybe Demon, and Pop probably not trory but, demon maybe
is a start and then at least everybody else is
a is. A, Bench Consideration at MINIMUM right.
Speaker 1: Danny wolf's, a G leaguer for me because i think, You,
need to find like okay well? What IS his WHEELHOUSE
here and i just I Didn't come away from summer
league and his he, Didn't play play three games SO
it's like what am i? Supposed TO come away with
but i didn't come away, With a feel for right like?
That's where this guy fits, and it's just it's weird
like he could be really, competitive on the glass, too
and because he's big like he was able to snag
some steels in His. Second game, against the WIZARDS but
yeah he's. A G leaguer for me nolan, trayor is
just a bet like he's just he might if he's
gonna might be your best. Advantage creator from day one
it doesn't seem like, There's room to start him like
maybe they feel Better about Him, starting THAN yae or
Demon but i would Pick, i'll say Start For. Demon
bench for trey ora saraph Was interesting enough to. Where
i'd say bench too but he's another guy where if
you want to have him. EXPLORE his on ball space
i know the nets are in fut, All on experimental Mode,
anyway but You, Have traorra you have Demon You're. Probably
gonna have cam Thomas You Want to give michael porter junior,
room to Explore Pathways there and that drake, powell's on
this team Too. Didn't play in something leave, it's another
rookie they have like they kept all five, Of THEIR
first round picks so i think that he PROBABLY Needs
to be a g league or Two like a co
op can he like have A Split time between the
g league and the bench? Before more than anybody else.
Speaker 2: Would you feel Differently about wolf if the nets hadn't
kept all those picks and used so many on guys
that probably need to have? The ball quite a bit
or is it just like just the package is what it.
Is independent OF team, Context HE'S a g leaguer so.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying if, they only Took let's
Say One of demon or trey orra and, then had
like nobody, else, and you're just like. Oh it's just
super intriguing it's a six eleven guy who's supposed to be. Able,
to handle the ball sure but it's like if you're
six eleven and you're supposed to run or be able
to handle the ball like You Need to have and
kevin durantz never. Had like the best HANDLE but there's
not like i felt like there was needs to be
too Much Forethought behind everything. THAT danny, wolf is doing
i like did you, have from what little like do
you have any idea what position you think that? He
should end up Be even based, off how i'm describing
him it seems like he's. Going, to be a four.
Speaker 2: Yeah and it's, just like not one that not one
whose best skills are all, that helpful at that position
especially if you have other primary, Ball handlers on the
floor like HE just, You know what, I mean, LIKE and,
DEFENSIVELY i think i mean i just don't know. WHAT
to do with him I was asking the context g,
league question because to me it kind OF Just seems
like he's g, league like no matter what especially if
maybe just because the nets are bad, and trying to
be bad that's a case for. Having him play real minutes,
BUT on a normal team i just don't know what
he's giving you that is that one someone. Else couldn't,
with fewer drawbacks you know it seems like the trade
off with him is going. To, BE pretty, consistently, negative.
Speaker 1: Yeah i mean look he turned the ball over on
like twenty, seven percent.
Speaker 2: Of his rights and if that's what you're you're out
there to HANDLE the ball, like like i don't know.
Speaker 1: But it's sort, of a change of pace like if
you wanted to throw him at the, five just as
a hey he will grab rebounds and he can stretch
the floor like it, wasn't in super high volume but
he shot basically forty percent from three, and like, he
had like, you know some defensive moment like you could.
Just TRY it that way so i think that actually
is just if you could figure out a way to
have him be, LIKE a stand. STILL maybe i don't
know i think if he wants to be someone who
stands out like in this league at someone, it's he
plays the five is how, we're gonna look at it
and he figured. Out, something more, on.
Speaker 2: Defense yeah all right a, Couple more to Go Here
We're Onto. The, boston celtics hugo, gonzalez Uh just for refresher,
the celtics might be terrible one of the worst. Front
courts in the league who knows how many Miles They're
gonna Put On. Jalen Brown and derek white peyton pritchard
is probably gonna average thirty a game and. Lead the
league IN threes but is does i guess maybe The
question is does the celtics, significantly diminished talent and depth
maybe not depth, Because they Got. You know niang and
simons does That create a pathway? For gonzalez to, play,
more and if so like what what's he gonna?
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 2: That, will justify minutes what like what. ARE the carrying
skills here i.
Speaker 1: Think he should just say i'm willing to play center
because that rotation is so bleak. That they Could try anyone.
Speaker 2: You think simons should try that just. TO get on,
THE floor i mean.
Speaker 1: So i think they put the ball in His Hands.
A lot during summer league and so when you kind
of Look At this, Team With jason, tatum out Drew Holliday,
gone you Have Jalen brown You Have, derek white and
peyton pritchards there are guys that can. Do THINGS on
the BALL but i was in i, guess IMPRESSED isn't
the word but i was surprised at how like this
wasn't someone who, because he was So Young, he's playing
with real madrid he didn't spend like that. Many reps
on the ball so the turnovers. From him weren't a surprise.
THEY'RE minimally concerning for him i thought he was, willing
to move the ball not just when, they put him
on it like, if he's gonna catch it like he
will make a quicker. Decision mostly to move it but
there is like sort of a hint. Of initiation there
for others so maybe that's how you get onto the
floor because if you don't think like you have Definitely
Because you don't trust jalen brown to do that. Right
on a Regular Basis, so you Have Peyton. Pritchard You
have derek white anthony, simon's more of a secondary. SO
maybe that's his pathway i also think, that when he's in,
transition he seems very aware whether he's, on or off
the ball if it comes to the spatial awareness of
getting out to the corners or, if he's on the
ball his head is just. Up from the get go he.
WENT after rebounds pretty. HARD i did describe him i,
do try to avoid cliches especially when, you're talking about
young players. But this one felt appropriate, he is very
high motor and so it's that that way, He, comes
in with that yeah the high motor guy comes in and.
GETS playing time that way i thought it was just an,
overall solid performance from him like if, you WERE to
grate it like, i think he met expectations but like
at some point more. Need to go in right he
shot thirty point FOUR percent from three was i think,
he was under forty percent well under forty percent from
two or. At least Close to it free throws, grant
fit under sixty percent so like you're. Not gonna see
the floor he, doesn't stand out enough defensively certainly to.
Me or as a playmaker that if he's not hitting
shots and he missed like an array of wide open
floaters bunnies at, the basket and makeuple, threes time's on
his side like it is with. A lot of these
guys but if he's, not hitting shots, wide open HIGH quality,
LOOKS there's just I mean i know the celtics, are
trying to be bad or are they. Even trying to
be bad they're. Just TRYING to be. Cheap so i
don't think i'm. Not saying they're cheaping out they're just
trying to not. PAY a lot Of Money i think,
that george nyang Or Look if they Move George nyang
and or sam, howser to cut more money he might
as well. Just volunteer To play. Center that's all i'm
saying that's how.
Speaker 2: YOU get, on, the floor i mean yeah However good,
or bad the celtics are, they're gonna shoot fifty threes
so you're gonna need to be able to. MAKE a
couple of those i, think to, crack that lineup all
RIGHT so that he's A g leaguer as what i'm
gleaning from your Assessment.
Speaker 1: For, the season the celtics yeah he's a jellier and
if you want, the ball in his hands he PROBABLY
needs to be. A g league or two But for the,
SEASON the, celtics might have i.
Speaker 2: Mean, could be some opportunities.
Speaker 1: Again how many times you gotta? Say it started? At
center Don't Do right but the.
Speaker 2: Atlanta hawks are our last team here one player asa.
Newle uh kind of buzzy there was a little bit
of a little Bit of excitement, that the hawks, did
it like you know just. Continued the off season? Roll,
WAS that your impression.
Speaker 1: Yeah i, Love this pick for them and the fact
that He came with an unprotected pelicans pick is not
EVEN part of, how much i love it although that
makes it a.
Speaker 2: Little bit better that happened did? THEY trade. AN unprotected
pick i, forgot I haven't discussed. That, or i can't?
Forgot yeah?
Speaker 1: There, DID they it was yeah i think they did.
Give that to move up?
Speaker 2: How many spots was it it must, have, been like
thirty spots right it must have moved all the. Way,
Up to number one right so the.
Speaker 1: Op ball offense for him, it's not especially art artful
but he has really good spatial awareness when, he's away
from the ball and he's not gonna need to create
for himself On A team That Has, jellen Johnson and
Trey young evenekil. Ox AARONER walker being there so i
like that fit as just. LIKE that complimentary offensive player
i don't, know, where he should play though like should.
It be alongside another big he doesn't have, the handle
for a. Wing at least not, yet not especially strong
though or imposing, enough on, defense to say oh. No
he's definitely a five the outside shooting seems like it's
gonna be a swing skill if If what he did
in vegas is any indication he's. On the right track
there he capably, stretched defenses from the corners and the
quality of his looks should only improve now when he's
gonna again gonna be catching passes from like who's one
of the best three point generators and looks at the,
rim Generators In. The league, It's trey young right now
he's coming across to Me As a better defending, john
collins and better Shooting Less fluid. On ball marvin bagley
hybrid does that SOUND like a compliment because i. MEANT
it to be.
Speaker 2: ONE i think IT is i also mean i also When,
YOU started to say marvin I Thought, you, were, GOING
marvin WILLIAMS like Oh I liked i liked Marvin williams
a lot because atlanta is just a, couple of number,
Two picks By. The, way williams and bagley okay so.
He is a bench guy it seems LIKE Right like you're,
not g? League? In?
Speaker 1: HIM are you no not i mean he could SPEND Some,
Time IN the g league but i think When you're
looking at the hawks and what they're, trying To do
this season christophs porzingis.
Speaker 2: Is.
Speaker 1: Going to miss time now if you don't think that
he can, spend any time at center that's kind, OF
Immaterial Because it's okay i Christops Porzingis is out on
yekka kungu is going. To need to play more uh
so there'll be room like. For HIM in the rotation,
but I think you could like i Don't know if
him and. CHRISTOPH should, play it again i mean, they
both stretched the. Floor SO maybe they can but i
think you can Absolutely Play him With On yaka kungou
or jalen JOHNSON in large part because i don't think
he needs to be the primary screener to, be on
The Basketball court like whereas john, collins until like not
recently But there were moments in atlanta was where they
really displaced him for, being the primary screen center remember
when that. WAS his Bread And butter i think asan
newell's coming in like that's not. The EXPECTATION for HIM
anyway so i just i don't know where he needs
to play in the front court, a MAJORITY of the
time but i think that you could run a bunch
of different front court. Looks With, Him for sure.
Speaker 2: All right, i'm, gonna spring an unprompted unfair three part
question on you by as a way to sort of. Summarize,
what we've discussed Here So who among the eastern conference
summer leaguers we've covered today are you MOST confident is
gonna be i don't, won't say a positive player, but
like rookies typically aren't but like your most confident. Can
be a positive player who? Are you most worried about
and then who's like the biggest mystery box that maybe
has like a swing, skill that's like oh shit like like?
The biggest range of.
Speaker 1: OUTCOMES so the biggest, ring i mean it's tough so
so many of these were just Like lower flyer ones
where phil we didn't have. As MANY high Leverage Guys
so i think casperus jokajutis, is gonna be the biggest
like the swing guy. With A ton of arians so
i think that would. Be my pick for that? What
was the other categories who's gonna? Be just a positive player?
Speaker 2: Who do you feel like basically it's like who? Do
you feel best about and who? Do you feel worst about?
Based on WHAT you saw who?
Speaker 1: Do i FEEL best? ABOUT man do i do? I
want to Make It. I'm gonna Say, Trey Johnson It's,
between hammer colin murray BOYLES and then who? Do I
feel worse about and i don't want to PICK like
one of the i could pick like one of the lower,
end guys, AND be like you know i don't really
feel too bad feel Too good about uh.
Speaker 2: Dio arr as an example maybe maybe like most concerned
about because like we Raised, some concerns, WITH like canipple
for example i don't know if he would factor into that,
conversation into That For, you but like edgecombe Richardson seems
like you, liked richardson quite A bit and then most.
Speaker 1: Richardson's the easy, answer because, Of, The, SIZE is. IT
like no i don't i don't think it's. One of
the nets Guys i'll. Just. Go with noah's saying gay
it feels like there's just gonna be a lot, of
peaks and valleys there which maybe. That's typical for a
rookie but if he just doesn't flesh out or have
more of those games like he did where he dropped
in twenty one points of SEVEN or fourteen shooting like
i if he doesn't, HAVE more of those flickers, i,
just sort of wonder okay like what Is the utility
gonna because i'm trying to think of? Like who's actually
gonna play because we could, sit, Here and say like
yeah i'm but A Little, bit WORRIED about cam, jones, but, i, just.
Speaker 2: Like right yeah yeah yeah don't you.
Speaker 1: Know anybody in mind. FOR any, Of these Categories.
Speaker 2: I mean i'm the EAST that's, kind of why i
Asked is like other than johnson kind of, Offering Like,
PROOF of concept, TREY johnson i should say i DON'T
know that there's any I Was really DISAPPOINTED in ku
chionas because i really. LIKED him in the draft i
thought it was a, HUGE value, and then like i mean.
Disappointed is maybe too strong the start was so bad
that it kind, of, made me think like oh that's.
The reason, THAT he fell But, yeah i other THAN
johnson there's nobody that. I am, one hundred, percent i
mean you know Trying to think. Who Else I'd, even
nominate maybe murray boyles just just because it does seem
like the stuff that he was built as being. Great
at is gonna work, and then. You can yeah that's
okay we at least we. Got that stuff checked off
we can worry about. The shooting down the road chandler.
SAYS pawn should be positive. I mean maybe on, offense.
I think he will right.
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing it, is just like the
shooters if you, really believe in the shooting it's just what.
We could just NAME, them when you mentioned cmb. He
should be a dude But the context offensively of toronto
makes me. JUST a little bit worried i was encouraged
again what, we saw in summer league how he could,
Play away from the ball but IT'S just sort of
LIKE i could see that i could see his rookie
season not reflecting like the level of player he's, gonna
become in any way shape or form where people exit
it feeling, super, concerned and it's just yeah maybe this
isn't the right. BUILD around, him right.
Speaker 2: Now i mean he's a he's, a different kind, of
player like it is, like context is gonna MATTER and so,
we'll just I don't know maybe the raptors consolidate OR
trade one of the i don't know how you, consolidate
some of those Contracts but maybe they trade barrett and.
THAT somehow opens. UP opportunities i don't know i.
Speaker 1: Do think maybe the sneakiest one that we talked about
in terms of did they get the most bang for
their buck, OR where they were drafted i Think It's
gonna Be between will riley, or LIAM McNeely for me
and I almost WANT to lean riley because i feel
like when you look at how many guards, strow and
By the way we kJ simpson won our black Hole
One of. Our black hole award spots he like showed
some chops As, a pastor and sudth league, not a
rookie of course but. Just throwing it out there they,
just have so, many, guards and it's like okay if you,
view him as a wing if you're gonna, play HIM
on the Wing then. I WOULD pick liam McNeely But
I just feel like, will riley might be guaranteed maybe
not even, just a little bit more but. Like measurably
more playing times i'm. Just, GONNA go with.
Speaker 2: Him okay i Like, that, we love the wizards? Apparently
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Speaker 1: By grant's, leaving for, a, little, WHILE he's. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't nobody cares uh i'm going on Vacation So. You,
won't have thanks, CHANDLER uh we got look, I mean
you know what i'm gonna post all the positives here
since we're. Interrupting, my super prepared outro.
Speaker 1: Yes we, have these episodes are like we don't want,
to help be, GOING done but you know i think you.
Speaker 2: Guys are gonna MAKE it, And also the nba? News
oh did?
Speaker 1: We lose we have lost We might have lost you
grant in the middle of your try your actually one?
More TIME we LOST you for. I was i was.
Meandering we're gonna miss, You everyone post right now well,
the stream will be over but you talk about how Much,
You're gonna, MISS miss GRANT and honestly I think i
might just i'm not even gonna shudder. The podcast while
he's gone this Is The Last. Show of hardwood knocks
out I'm just so proud that I'm not gonna talk
to grant for like.
Speaker 2: A week and a half if you, really were gonna
miss me promise to sit quietly in a dark Room
for the whole time. I'm gone and just? Ruminate can?
You do that? Is that?
Speaker 1: I'll do that what is do? Everybody else do that
too i'm gonna say you you know. How People make,
the jinks oh i'm leaving. So this is gonna happen
would you prefer something just fucking ridiculous? To happen while
you're gone or do you like to be around when
That type of, stuff like lebron gets traded. THAT type
Of a level i.
Speaker 2: Hope i'm gone. For that i'll Be honest i'm not.
Gonna I'M not gonna pretend and i.
Speaker 1: HOPE you don't find out i hope you're in the
woods somewhere with no, service and it takes you like
you emerge days later.
Speaker 2: And there'll be like a hawk that that like soars
Overhead and like, cause that lebron got traded and that's
how All. That's. How, we to atlanta haw yeah that'd
be hard. To hard, over the bus All Right That's. Enough,
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