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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellowsikos, I am Dana Valley coming at

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you with the one, the only, the certified, fantabulous mister

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Grant Hughes. We're back for the second half of just

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sort of our summer league. Summer League wrap up. We

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are going to play start Bench or g League, even

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though it's kind of only like a small part of

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what we're doing here, as we break down notable rookies

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from every team in the East. If you have not

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done so, we did the West over. There was like

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two hours of just us talking about rookies, some of

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whom you've probably never heard of before listening to that podcast,

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So go check it out if you have questions in

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the chat. As always, while we do these little PROMPTU

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live streams, we will get to them. We're just here

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to hang out, have fun, talk rookies. We're gonna go

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in reverse alphabetical order because we like to change things

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up every once in a while, and it's also a

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little bit more dangerous because we all know around these parts,

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I have trouble with the alphabet. Grant though, how the

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heck are.

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Speaker 2: You just I like the idea that we are just

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doing things because they're dangerous. We just like to live

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on the edge a little bit, which which in this

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case means doing the alphabet backwards. That's as daring as

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it gets.

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Speaker 1: What is life without a little bit of risk involved, though, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, it's not worth living. That's why we're starting with

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the Washington Wizards. W way at the end of the alphabet.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what a transition before we actually dive into them

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very quickly. Just the usual housekeeping note of we both

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kind of throw stats out the window and so like

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in summer League, I just don't know. I wouldn't enjoy

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its Summer league like and my enjoyment of it is

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pretty minimal after you get past like the main guys.

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But I wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much if we

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had to harp on like efficiency as much like it's

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almost fun to sometimes throw it away and focus only

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on the eye test or just like the impressions that

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you're getting from.

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Speaker 2: These guys, right, I think, I think the value that

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you can get from summer League, which is like harder

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than it is to get value from just watching regular

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season or certainly playoff games, is just like it is

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very eye testing, and it's and it's not just that

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it's like, based on what this player was billed as

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being able to do or not do, just how does

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how do what? How does what I'm seeing align with that? Like?

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pre draft billing? What maybe isn't the case? Like you know,

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how how closely aligned is the scouting report with what

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I'm actually seeing? And yeah, like you know when we

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talked about Dylan Harper for the West, is like, oh,

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he had a game where he was one of eight

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or or oh of eight from three or something. It's like, okay,

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so that means he's terrible. No, it's just like you

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throw that out and just look at like how did

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he look on the floor? What kind of stuff was

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he like capable of doing?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: What maybe couldn't he do? It's just I mean, in

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a lot of ways, that's kind of freeing because you

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can just talk about what you saw and then and

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then you know, numbers just are who cares? It's like

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five games at most for most of these guys, and

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the competition's weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even five games is like I love

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that average two summer league games play. There was only

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one I think was Jeremiah Fears was the only lottery

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pick to play in every single one of his team's

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summer League games, So shout out to him. He should

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get a bump just for just for doing that. Do

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we have any other notes, questions, concerns or do we

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want we want to begin here?

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Speaker 2: I think we're ready to go.

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Speaker 1: The Wizards Trey Johnson, so I have to start things off, grant.

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I'm already making some walkbacks here. Oh when when we

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did our pre draft pod, I said, I am just

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not a Trey Johnson guy.

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Speaker 2: I do not want why so, like why so at

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Speaker 1: That archetype of player just scares me to where it's

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just like, Okay, yes he's built, is like this terrific shooter,

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but is he a league guard? Like does he have

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the passing chops to do it? And how efficiently is

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he really going to score? Turns out very He shot

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like nearly seventy percent on twues. It was over forty

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five percent. He ended up on threes. Again, we said

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it's gonna translate, its good. When it's good, it counts.

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we care about, mid range, from beyond the arc. He

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did it off the catch. He did it from scratch. Uh.

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sense now, that's okay, good that they traded Jordan Pooles.

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that he wouldn't take, but he's also capable of hitting them,

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and so I just think the scoring acumen for him

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is beyond reproach. And we'll see how the process look

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like looks like as part of that larger setting when

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there's other mouths that need to be fed. What I

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would worry about, though, is like scoring is option one, two,

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Speaker 2: That's right?

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Speaker 1: And then is what do is zach Lowas say? Like

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option four is like hoping he misses book gets fouled basically,

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so there can be some overdriveling there, and then like

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that lends itself to predictability and the entire possession can unravel.

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a little bit more quickly in certain situations. And I'm

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not sure if his playmaking may never pop. I think

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it could be a lot better when you look at

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what he's doing, like out of drives, like there's going

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the way that he makes defenses rotate, like if he

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can just it's not even surveying the floor, but it's

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like having your head a little bit more on a swivel.

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I just as he learns to get off it, and

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it's more about as he learns to Oh, there's players

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around me who might be better right off the bat. Yeah,

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so I have confidence he can be. I don't look

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at him and say I've commenced he could be a

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pretty good playmaker. I don't look at him and say,

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this is someone who I think could run your offense

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for extended Like if I'm the Wizards, I still maybe

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view bub Carrington as more likely to of anyone on

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my team is the most likely person to be that guy.

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Speaker 2: Well, because if he's that guy, he's going second in

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the draft probably or third, right like that, if that,

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if that were part of the package. So a player

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like Johnson, I mean just that's assuming we even know

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enough about him at this point to say, like who

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he's like. It can kind of go two ways. It's

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on the one end of it, you know, you get

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example of this, like a guy, a guy who can

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really score and really shoot it, Like you can get

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Cam Thomas, who doesn't really make anybody better except that

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he is high usage and will use up shots that

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is like not a level raiser for other players. And

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so much attention as shooters or they have enough of

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an on ball game to bend the defense with the

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ball that they do, you know, they're primarily out there

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to score, but they do make things easier for other

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players around them and open up other opportunities. Of those

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two player types, did you see characteristics that leaned towards

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one versus the other or is it still kind of

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a mixed bag? I mean, because ideally the best version

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of him is the second type that's like not Cam Thomas,

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but it's like, I don't know, Klay Thompson or somebody

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that just like you must pay attention all the time,

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or like a Brad Beal just to go out with

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a former wizard like that can do enough with the

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ball to be a difference maker. What did you see

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Speaker 1: I think he's he will separate himself far enough to

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me from the Cam Thomas archetype. I don't know. I'm

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trying to think of the level a passer that I

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think he could become. Devin Booker feels a little too generous, maybe,

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but like Bradley Beal was probably on that list, So

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he can get to that level. But he's still like this,

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we're gonna dig the suns. I'm sure when we do

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off season report cards to their plan is to make

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Devin Booker the point guard. It's like, no, that's not

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the best way to optimize him. I don't think him

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the second units. I don't think that's gonna be like

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like that'll be the better usage of him. But look

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the scoring and the shooting. He was considered like the

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best shooter and I coming out of the draft, I

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see it like it's just and sometimes you'd expect that archetype.

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when you look at what sometimes translates the most to

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like that's pretty gonna be consistent, but like you don't

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expect the efficiency necessarily to hold and like for him

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to come in and score at multiple levels so efficiently,

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Wizards need that type of a scorer right now the

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outside in time because it was Jordan Poole, but like

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he has more levels. I think when you look at

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his scoring to his offense, where Jordan Poole is maybe

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gonna bail out a little sooner. Even though I think

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it is best in Golden State, even with Washington, he

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showed he could. Jordan Poole's probably the better passer at

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they need someone like this, and so he's sort of

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a if you were to do like, okay, it's not

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gonna be Cooper Flag who wins Rookie of the Year.

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of the role and opportunity and what we know he

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Speaker 2: Right now, it does seem like just my cursory observation

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of him in some release, like kind of like what

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just what comes easily to him, and so like I

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think given the opportunity to, given the dearth of other

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real scoring options on a Washington team that has a

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lot of players we like, by the way, it's just

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that none of them. We don't love any of them

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because they're like lights out shooters and bucket getters. He's

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very well positioned to just like I don't know, he

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could average seventeen a game or something like it, you know,

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assuming he gets the minutes and nobody else on the Wizards, like,

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which would be a good thing. Takes a huge leap

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to where like, well we kind of just have to

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have bub you know, leading us in scoring because he's

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deserving of the touches. But yeah, I think Johnson's a

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good Rookie of the Year pick just on the strength

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of like opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Really, you know, who else might be a good Rookie

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of the Year pick?

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Speaker 2: Is it Will Riley.

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Speaker 1: It's Will Riley of the Washington Wizards. I don't actually

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I don't actually think that. But he he turned he

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turned ahead for me in summer League. I came into

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him with like basically zero preconceptions. I think would be

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a massive stretch. He ended up he had a rough

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like or a mild choir performers in his debut. Immediately

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in the second game, he goes shoots five or six

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from the four, including three or four on trays. He

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ended up shooting I think it was over fifty seven

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would probably be a stretch to say, like, all right,

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like the jumper is just gonna be fine. It's definitely

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going to translate. But like the fact that so many

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also very encouraged. It was a game against Brooklyn. You

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a sidelines out of bounds play and it was very

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difficult three pointer that he hit. And if he can

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do that on a consistent basis, like, that's huge for

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Washington to kind of have another guy like that away

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from the ball, just running around. And the other thing

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is is actually think that you look at him as

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a driver and passer, he has that to his game.

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I don't know, like the handle doesn't seem like it's

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gonna hold up under more pressure. We saw like a

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little bit like oddity there with that, But I don't

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know that he's gonna receive a ton of pressure in

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the NBA though, So as someone who could attack off

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the catch and maybe make like that second pass, that's

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like sort of his pathway to sticking. So I don't

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you know, And you look at just he kind of

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plays with the spirit of one time could have been

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teammate Marcus Smart too. When you look at sort of

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like the heart and hustle guy, I could see him

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being one of those. So I really as just sort

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of this like all right, late first round fly Like

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I really like the idea of Will Riley on what

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I feel is like, No, he'll never be the main

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ingredient of a really good team. But as someone who

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compliments a lot of other important players on what could

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be a really good team, I certainly think he has

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that type of a ceiling.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well then we already forgot our gimmick. So with

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Will Riley, first start Bencher G League and then Trey

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Johnson start Bencher G League.

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Speaker 1: So Will Riley I think is bench just they have

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so many dudes? Trey Johnson, I think you need is

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it start because you have so I mean, let's let's

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game this. Alex are Blakoolabali need to start like that

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just absolutely has to happen. Who else are you penciling

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it as a lock here?

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Speaker 2: Why would you start Carrington? Right?

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Speaker 1: I think you could bring George off the bench. I

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don't think that right, that's not a big deal. And also,

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just like with Jordan Poole gone, why wouldn't you start

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Trade Johnson? Maybe I'm overthinking.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, unless you need to, unless you feel like

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you need to start Middleton, which maybe you could do anyway,

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if you don't start George, you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's all. Forgot christ and CJ. McCollums on

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this team. You can't have Can you have both of

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those guys? Come off the bench or.

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Speaker 2: No, that you do need to start McCollum, right, you

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just sort of have to.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I was gonna say it's probably the other

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way around for me because I don't know that they

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have they have guards who I think can score, unless

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you think that Black Kolabai is really gonna pop this year,

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like in terms of creating your own shots, I don't

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know the fingers crossed, right, I don't know if they

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have wings that could necessarily score. So I would vote

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starting Maybe they're both okay with it and you bring

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the meat off the bench, but if you're looking to

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recoup some value for their firings at the trade deadline,

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you probably need to start one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see it being difficult not

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starting both. But I mean, like in a perfect world,

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you just you're just starting all the young guys that

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that should be the wizard's objective. But we'll see that'll

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be an interesting dynamic. I mean, odds are between Middleton McCollum.

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Somebody is gonna miss time for with injury, so you

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may do not have to deal with Oh now, how

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do we start both of these guys and all our

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young guys? But you know.

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Speaker 1: So if I was to say, right now point five

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or No. One one point five, no, yeah, be point

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five of Middleton CJ CJ. McCollum's starting, would you take

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the over the under.

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Speaker 2: On that, I'd probably go over. I mean, I think

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I think just the veteran status start both of them. Yeah,

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I do. I don't love it, but I look like

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if you're trying to get something for them in trade,

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you need to at least showcase them a little bit,

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and just the pride thing, like they're both super well

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respected veterans, Like I think you you almost you might,

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just for some of the wrong reasons, feel like you

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have to start them, all right.

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Speaker 1: I hope, So, I hope. I hope they're able to

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carve out time for Will Riley, just as like for

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the things that he might be able to do as

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a shooter and maybe even a like a secondary field guy.

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At six eight he's listed at Like that's that's intriguing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, moving on to the Toronto Raptors, which we have

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a comments about. Tell me about Colin Murray Boyles purportedly

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an ill fitting like can't shoot it, but can defend

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and do multiple things with the ball, A good two

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way guy, but like on this Raptors team doesn't make sense?

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What did you see through that lens, Like in terms

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of like how does this pick make sense for this team?

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Can you assess him kind of that way?

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Speaker 1: So I Will says, he definitely seems like he could

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be a guy right off the bat the defense. So Victor,

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I'm not predicting this, but Victor Rombriyama was the first

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rookie to make an All Defense team since Tim Duncan

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And was that ninety eight, ninety eight, ninety seven.

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Speaker 2: Whatever one of those two.

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Speaker 1: I just wouldn't shock me if I don't think Calin

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Murray boy is gonna end up playing enough to do that.

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But like that's the intrigue level for him on defense

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right now, just as someone who is super portable when

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you look at who he was defending, how he moved

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around the floor, when you look at just kind of

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the ability to playmake And it's also just he covers

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so much ground on a single possession rotate seem league

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can switch, like he can sometimes get foul happy. But

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I mean, like that Summer League, that's being a rookie.

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I actually respect that, Like he's he's trying to bring

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extra pressure. It felt like when a lot of his

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fouls were coming, and I kind of respect that in

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a way, And it wasn't like he was pursuing his

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counting stats at the same time without necessarily again watching

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him make it feel like he's pursuing counting stats. He

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averaged four point one stocks per thirty six minutes in

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the summer League, And like when you're not talking about

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dealing with like the biggest foul trouble of the entire

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like the Summer League, like ero, when we look across

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all the games play, I'll take it. So I'm sold

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on the defense. I think they quite If you have

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any comments on the defense, we could go from there.

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But I think most people will probably be curious about

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the offense.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the thing, right, Like, that's that's where

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we don't know about.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised and impressed at how much time he

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spent away from the ball with the same like, because

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don't we we've talked about this before in summer league.

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Doesn't it feel like teams aren't as apt to tailor

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a player's role to what he's going to be doing

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with their actual team. At the NBA level, and I

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felt like the Raptors did a good job of Yes,

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we saw some of the stuff that Calin Murray Boyle

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could do on ball. I'm not saying that they boys

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could do on ball. I'm not saying we didn't, but

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they didn't saddle him with like a ton of self creation.

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I honestly felt like he went entire quarters without even dribbling.

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To me, he was feasting on movement catches off screens

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under the basket, just like headfakes and general ingenuity. He

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was on the offensive glass a ton, and like some

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of his assists were even just coming without taking a dribble.

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And so I think there's an element of right, Well,

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the Raptors have enough spacing for him to like be

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leveraged fully. The fact that he could do it in

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Summer League, I think shows that he can maybe work

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within tighter confines. I really hope that they stack. I'm

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assuming he'll be a member of the second unit when

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we get to start bench G League, like stack that

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with put one at least one of your primary creators there,

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whether it's a Scottie Barnes and then brandon Ingram one

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of those guys. Then make sure manual quickly is there

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and then just surround like them then with the best

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of your shooters. I came away really encouraged that, like,

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this is someone who can play and be effective within

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the flow of the offense. It's not yes, there's questions.

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There's gonna be questions about the jumper forever maybe, but

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to not have to be on the ball, I think

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it's a really like and to make an impact. I

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think it's a really encouraging sign for him.

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Speaker 2: You think he can guard centers, I mean other than

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like your Yokices and the guys that nobody can guard

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just rule them out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I I'm gonna say, I'm

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trying to think of like what's what's who's the most

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league average center, Like could you I feel like he

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could guard pretty easily in Nicolevvic okay, yeah, and even

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just sort of like a I think he can handle

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like a Jared. I'm trying to think of, like what

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the the Jokic? Okay, yeah, throw that out and beat

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and it's like if he's actually healthy, no, I don't,

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I'll see it, But I don't know I was gonna

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hold up against it. I'm trying to think of, like

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what who what's the prototypical center like right now, when

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you think of centers in today's NBA.

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Speaker 2: I mean kindey guard kinnyguard DeAndre Ayton for example, like

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keep him off the glass like that kind of case.

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Ayton has size and the motor's not there.

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Speaker 1: But right I think so if Aighton turns it on

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like his calinary boyle is going to be strong enough.

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I that might be a question, but I I think

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he can. I don't know, Like you'd like to see

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him in a situation, but they don't have a floor

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spacing five, like a reliable floor face spacing five on

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the roster. You want to get to those looks. But

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now that you said that, me thinking about the cosmetic

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makeup of Toronto's roster, like I would throw him at

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the five, and I just wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Say, okay, yeah, just because that seems like the key

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to me, because I I don't I don't think he'll

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have the space to do what he did in Summer League.

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If Perle is out there and and if Barnes is

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out there too, and Barnes shoots twenty seven percent again,

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but if, but if, if you want to unlock the

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best offensive version of Murray Boyles. It does really feel

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like you can't do it with a paint bound center

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in the game, I don't think, and it so like,

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I mean, there's plenty of example like PJ. Tucker, you know,

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made a career out of it, like just being a

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fairly low usage, opportunistic kind of score that could guard

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everybody and except for just the biggest centers, he was

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strong enough and smart enough and mobile enough to deal with.

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Like that's just kind of how early on that does

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seem like the way forward for him. But if he

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if he develops a shot, then like all of the

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analysis changes. But that doesn't seem like it's a well

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tell me about that, Like, I know you're not scrutinizing

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his stroke or like or anything like that, but did

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you do you feel like there's a shot developing in

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there that might be real and have enough volume that

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you know, he can just become on offense like a

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normal combo forward. For lack of a better description.

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Speaker 1: I would my guess would be it's going to be

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more like a party trick that it's going to be

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anything that's the main part of his game, which I

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ultimately think is fine. But when you look at the

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personnel around him, could get exactly weird. I think him

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and Scottie Barnes can absolutely work together. If Yako Pertle

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isn't your primary five, I think that gets a little

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bit like a little bit too dicey in that regard,

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although like we saw Cleveland make it work with Evan

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Mobley and Jared Allen before Mobley was in their taking threes.

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But and look, it's probably encouraging he did take threes.

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He's a two point three over like twenty three and

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change minutes per game. So maybe I'll end up being

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wrong there, but I don't. I think it's gonna be

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more i'll say, more volume than like a Jonas valenciunist.

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But I don't know if he's ever gonna get to

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the point where it's you know, he's not gonna be

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If he ever is at six attempts per thirty six minutes,

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I'd be fairly surprised.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, start bench g League.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in a vacuum, I want to start him.

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I'm not gonna lie, But for what the raptors are

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gonna do, I think it's bench.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Let's move on to the sixers, who

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00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:50,599
do they have?

478
00:20:50,759 --> 00:20:52,759
Speaker 1: Granted they have, we're.

479
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 2: Really kind of playing some hits here early with some

480
00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:59,839
high lottery picks VJ. Edgecombe, crowded backcourt. We've we've talked

481
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,920
about that plenty leading up to the drafts and post drafts.

482
00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:06,279
I mean, that's really gonna be where a lot of

483
00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:08,519
this analysis is if we're gonna be team specific like

484
00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:12,000
we were with Murray Boyles on the Raptors, but maybe

485
00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:15,279
just overall impressions of him obviously billed as just a

486
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,559
ridiculous athlete, like is that going to be useful on

487
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,160
both ends? And to what extent? And then maybe tell

488
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,440
me about what you see his role being on a

489
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,359
team that you know has McCain MAXI probably will have

490
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,279
grimes like where does he fit?

491
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Speaker 1: I think the athletic tools, there's there is ways to

492
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,279
go on defense, But me and you had talked about

493
00:21:35,319 --> 00:21:38,640
do we think that he can defend like wings or anything.

494
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,599
I think he probably can on some of them. He's

495
00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:42,359
gonna have to get stronger, of course, but just like

496
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,000
the physical tools and like even the defense of playmaking,

497
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,079
I think that that's gonna be I think that that's

498
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,480
gonna end up translating, well, maybe not in year one,

499
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,000
but like maybe in year one. Like I think you

500
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,079
could make a case we're gonna start Bencher g league

501
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,519
the Sixers when you look at kind of their wing options,

502
00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:00,119
you might need to just start him in stead out

503
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,880
of a Kelly Ubridge junior. What's interesting about him is

504
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,480
the stuff that we knew he could do, where everyone

505
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:07,559
was like, oh, he is he gonna be able to

506
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:09,799
create for himselfs are gonna be strictly a play finisher,

507
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,799
And I came away feeling not that this will be

508
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,240
his most marketable or best skill. I came away feeling

509
00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:20,799
better about the role no one sees him playing versus

510
00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:23,039
the role that he's supposed to play, Like the play

511
00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:25,279
finishing inside the arc. I think with NBA SPA saying

512
00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:27,640
that'll be totally fine. He can run the floor really well,

513
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,039
he can do things, make quick decisions off the catch,

514
00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:31,920
and of like we know he has the physical tools,

515
00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:35,359
but like the two or twelve clip from three is

516
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,599
very concerning and it wasn't all just like him trying

517
00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:40,160
to fire these bombs off the balance, And so that's

518
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,759
something that you have to monitor. And I'm so I'll

519
00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:45,640
can see to a weakness here. I don't like. Unless

520
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,759
I'm watching a team every single night for like months

521
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,599
on end, I'm not good at detecting like the certain

522
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,640
nuances of a Oh look at what he's like with

523
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,559
this hand, or when he's finishing that way, Like I

524
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,839
might notice a wrong footed or offhanded layup, but with him,

525
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:02,359
the left hand's got some work to do. And I

526
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,079
say that as like, if I notice it, it's probably

527
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,160
a problem because I won't typically notice it. Does that

528
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:08,680
make sense?

529
00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:10,519
Speaker 2: No? No, no, totally. I mean that was part of

530
00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:13,039
the billing too, right, it's just like this guy, you

531
00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:16,519
know it. Usually it happens with lefties where they just

532
00:23:16,519 --> 00:23:18,839
have like Julius Randall is just like that guy, just

533
00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:21,640
the right side of his body like doesn't function. But

534
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,079
for a righty to have such a bad left hand,

535
00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:26,960
it's it's rare, but yeah, it's super I think that

536
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,160
that squares with sort of what we heard and read

537
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,279
about him coming in.

538
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was like in open space there was

539
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,119
problem with the left hand, and so that's gonna be

540
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,839
if defenses aren't gonna give him a metric ton of

541
00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:42,720
respect from three. I don't like how I don't know

542
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,880
how he's supposed to attack in those situations, and it

543
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,799
like be better for were he has to work on it.

544
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:48,400
He's young, I mean, he's not hasn't even played his

545
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,880
first season yet, but it was it was worse than

546
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,440
I guess I thought. So there was that, but I

547
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,599
actually again I was like, oh, I could see this

548
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,400
guy being like more of a little bit of a playmate,

549
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,000
Like had more patience off the even with the left

550
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000
handed like handle stuff, had some more patience off the

551
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,200
dribble than I was expecting, like different gears to his

552
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,440
speed and cadence, and I could see him as being

553
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,680
someone who's like, oh, he just averaged like three point

554
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:12,640
nine or four point four assists per game, and it's

555
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,640
just as if you're a third option. Like I don't

556
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,279
mind that at all. And so for me, it really

557
00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:19,039
comes down to, like probably the three bullet points would

558
00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:21,200
be he he needs to get stronger for the defensive

559
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,519
role that I think he he can play but also

560
00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:26,400
kind of needs to play for Philly. The three point

561
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,720
shot is just I don't it doesn't look particularly awful,

562
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,400
but like he had some really bad misses and some

563
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,519
of them were difficult shots, but like that is you

564
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,000
need to be shooting close to the league average from three,

565
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,920
and then it's the left hand you don't want to

566
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,480
become too dependent on, just like needing to work on

567
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:44,200
the ball because of what you mentioned with the dynamic

568
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:47,160
of assuming Grimes comes back, they have Tyrese Maxie. If

569
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,359
Joel Embiid is healthy, Paul George doesn't necessarily want to

570
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,519
play on the ball all the time, but you want

571
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:52,680
to get him. Looks that like this isn't someone I

572
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,480
want to see as of right now, like spend a

573
00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:58,640
particularly lot of time alongside of Kelly Auberge Junior so

574
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,519
to speed because now I'm wondering, is all right, these

575
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,319
are two guys who can take and make threes, but

576
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,440
like they pretty clearly like need to be on the

577
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,960
ball a little bit more just and maybe that's doing

578
00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:10,200
VJ edgecomb with disservice, like the stuff he might do

579
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,039
as a complimentary or supplementary peace and transition, Like I

580
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:16,519
think it's really there. So I came away more encouraged

581
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,839
overall about the role or the stuff that he wasn't

582
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,640
supposed to be able to do. That the vision of oh,

583
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,920
like this is someone who might be three and d

584
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:26,759
with some more levels to the play finishing.

585
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're starting him, benching him, or you're obviously

586
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,799
the g leagues out, but it's the start. The start

587
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:37,200
bench discussion is especially interesting here because they cannot play

588
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,200
all four of Maxi, Edgecombe, McCain and Grimes. So somebody,

589
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,599
at least one somebody is not starting. Is it? Is

590
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,559
that going to be Edgecomb?

591
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,559
Speaker 1: I guess like yes, but I think I think he

592
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:50,839
should start because who are we penciling in as the

593
00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:53,680
starters at well full strength, which is a bit it's McCain.

594
00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 2: It's it's probably McCain that you're moving out. I would, well,

595
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,119
I would, just because I think Grime, whether Grimes is

596
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,079
who he looked like with the Sixers down the stretch

597
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,720
last year or not, I think even his like baseline

598
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,880
as a role player is probably more helpful than Edgecomb

599
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,279
can be as a rookie, at least at the outset.

600
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,839
But and McCain just has the smaller sample and comes

601
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,319
with all a lot of the same like we don't

602
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,359
really know how this scales kind of questions as Edgecomb does,

603
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,599
so to me, it feels like it should come down

604
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:27,240
to McCain or Edgecomb for that third, like we're just

605
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,960
thinking of the Sixers of like a three guard team.

606
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. So who would your starting line up

607
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:34,839
be for this team? We know inbide, Paul, George and

608
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,119
Tyre's MAXI not negotiable if everybody's healthy.

609
00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think I probably go with Grimes.

610
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,079
And then I guess it's like Ubre or Edgecomb, right

611
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,440
that we're debating between or no? Yeah? Right, yeah, that

612
00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:51,720
is that I don't know matter.

613
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,519
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, does Justin Edwards deserve a

614
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:56,319
look there for what he can do defensively?

615
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that I guess. Yeah, that is the question,

616
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,119
like what are you hoping to get from that last spot,

617
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,240
because if it's, like I guess, if it's secondary playmaking,

618
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:07,480
which maybe you don't really need, if you do have

619
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:11,200
embiad and George and MAXI, then it's like I mean,

620
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,720
and then is Grimes, which which Grimes is the real one?

621
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,119
Is another issue because if he's last year six Ers Grimes,

622
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,079
then he can create, he can get plenty of his

623
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,720
own stuff and like great for others. I don't know

624
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:27,119
how to whether that's a real thing or not.

625
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: So I think so I think what you're looking for

626
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:32,759
out of that spot is probably they need to defend

627
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:34,680
wings because Grimes is gonna be better at the point

628
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,119
of attack, and I don't think you want Paul George

629
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,519
to have to defend like the other team's best, bigger

630
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:43,039
perimeter player. Maybe he can for stretches. I might just

631
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:45,519
go edge Comb, but I'm not. I'm just coming off

632
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,799
of watching so much of Edgecomb, so maybe that's why.

633
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:50,960
But it's I don't think, like, I don't think it

634
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,799
should be Ubra, Like, I just don't. I'd rather be

635
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,599
justin Edwards.

636
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: Then I think the best version of Ubra you probably

637
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,960
would take. But that guy's just not always there, just

638
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,839
because he does have the size and the length and

639
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,640
has run hot from three. But yeah, I I mean

640
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,039
in terms of like, I just don't have anything invested

641
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:13,880
in Ubray. He just like, you know, he picked up

642
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,960
an option and he's back. Like I think maybe these

643
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,759
the one of the better arguments for playing Edgecomb or

644
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:21,039
one of the other guys is just like they matter

645
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,240
more to the team and we should should be interested

646
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,039
in getting him out there with our other good players.

647
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,759
Speaker 1: I will say, as much as I like Trendon Watford,

648
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:31,000
I think that there's been like too much of like

649
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,119
a trendon Watford Bandwagon all of a sudden because he's

650
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,559
in Philly instead of Brooklyn. I wouldn't. I'm not starting him.

651
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:37,960
I want, like at least the idea of more shooting

652
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,119
out of that position, So I think it needs to

653
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,960
be It'll probably be Ubray, Edgecomb or Justin Edwards with

654
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,039
really it being only Ubra or Edgecomb, And I think,

655
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,039
if we're being honest, it's probably gonna be Ubray.

656
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,279
Speaker 2: Is that where you kind of lan, I wouldn't be surprised,

657
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:52,440
But if it is between those two, you could definitely

658
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,559
talk me into it. Should it should be Edgecomb.

659
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,559
Speaker 1: This comment doesn't make brings up an interesting point though,

660
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,319
so VJ playing so well might have cost Crimes a

661
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:04,319
decent amount of money from Matthew. What happens if, like Grimes,

662
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,759
this isn't back, they sign and trade him or I

663
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,200
think he'll be back, But like what if he's and

664
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:12,680
is there anything to the idea of I think if

665
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,359
he's an important player to you, it makes sense to

666
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:17,039
start him because see what he can do in the

667
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:20,000
larger context of your team. But like him coming off

668
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,680
the bench, if you want to kind of tap into

669
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,359
the Grimes we saw at the end of last season

670
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,039
might make more sense because more touches in the second unit,

671
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:28,720
although then you're playing him with McCain, but also he's

672
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,319
going up against inferior competition. There's a lot of different

673
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:33,599
layers to how Grimes could have a trickle down effect

674
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,160
on what happens with Philly's rotation.

675
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: That yeah, right, And again, if if you believe you

676
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,839
know what version of Grimes you'll see all season, I

677
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:45,559
you need to tell me the lottery numbers, because I

678
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,599
just that feels like pure guesswork. All right, We're honestly

679
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:53,400
the Orlando Magic really interesting rookie, someone that uh was

680
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:55,240
very much hurt by the combine I think when he

681
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,400
measured six to one and that changed a lot of

682
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,279
evaluations for him. But this is also makes me feeling

683
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,559
incredibly old Jace Richardson for The Orlando Magic, what what

684
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:06,920
are your I guess the most thing I'm most interested

685
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,400
in is just like how much of an issue is

686
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,200
the lack of size gonna be? So as you're going

687
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,640
through his kind of makeup and what you saw, how

688
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,680
big of a deal was that aspect of him?

689
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,319
Speaker 1: It was so much less of a deal. And you know,

690
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,680
I don't like shorter guards, but it was so much

691
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:27,079
unless they're Geren Brunson, of course, contractually obligated to say that.

692
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,000
The way that he plays, I described it as like

693
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,559
there's a functional friction to the way that he approaches

694
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:37,200
attacking defenses, and it's just like there's pure acceleration mode,

695
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,240
there's the sudden down shifting and they're both bonkers. And

696
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,480
then the variance with which he bakes them in is

697
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:46,519
really intriguing to me. It makes him super difficult to cover,

698
00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:49,559
makes it easier for him to create separation. He could

699
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:53,279
be pulling back for a three. There's the start then stop,

700
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:55,680
like to throw up a mid range or a push shot.

701
00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:58,359
There's taking you all the way to the basket. That

702
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,799
was the other. It was just like the way because

703
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:03,960
there's so much of that variance with him operating on ball,

704
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:05,960
I think that he's gonna be able to get to

705
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,240
the basket more than someone his size typically would. And

706
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,039
then when he gets there and this isn't like I

707
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,480
guess it shouldn't be groundbreaking because he knows how tall

708
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,079
he is, but he looks like he has studied and

709
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,920
figured out how to get shots up off and over

710
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,599
bigger players like the taller rim protector detectors that'll be

711
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,319
waiting for him once he gets there. I also think

712
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:30,240
that because he's so kind of unpredictable with the speed,

713
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,680
the direction, what he's gonna do with his handle, he

714
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,960
might be a free throw machine, which is just like

715
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,240
if you're Orlando now and you have that element to

716
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:41,480
maybe sprinkle in that with Pali Bank Carol on the

717
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,720
way he could draw fouls, I came away way more intrigued.

718
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:47,920
Even with the way he throws passes. I don't know

719
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,440
if he'll be a lead league guard at the NBA level,

720
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:52,279
but I kind of thought that he was gonna He

721
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,759
threw some passes where I just assumed they were gonna

722
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:57,240
get deflected, and it's just like, no, he knows how

723
00:31:57,319 --> 00:31:59,279
to like even if he's throwing them like you know,

724
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,359
those like lofty passes that are just begging to be

725
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,680
picked off. He just I guess, understands the timing replacement

726
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:07,000
better of it in like ways that me watching couldn't

727
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,960
really explain any He Everyone's gonna say this, the dude

728
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,720
competes on like this isn't gonna be if they need

729
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:16,480
someone to play, and it's a little harder for Jace

730
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,359
Richardson to crack the rotation now when you look at

731
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,720
how Orlando is built. But like, defense isn't necessarily gonna

732
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,319
be what keeps him off the floor, like it would

733
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:25,079
be a Jet Howard or maybe even a Tias Jones.

734
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,799
Like there's a real physicality to the way he plays.

735
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,079
It's like not he No, this is a terrible comp

736
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,559
so I won't mention the name. He's still gonna be targeted,

737
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,279
is my point. But like, and he's he's kind of

738
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,480
skinny too. He's not super strong yet, so like he

739
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:41,119
probably needs to fill out a little bit more. Like

740
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,680
this is someone who kred if he was six to two,

741
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:45,599
had he measured at six too, and he measured its

742
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:48,559
six to three, he's probably like a top ten pick, which.

743
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're right. I think everybody liked almost everything

744
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,759
about him except for like, oh no, he's just gonna

745
00:32:53,759 --> 00:33:00,519
be too small. What how realistically because you mentioned like

746
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,680
the magic finally did go do the thing and get

747
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,319
a shooter and a playmaker to add to the backcourt,

748
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:08,720
like realistic, And they still have Anthony Black, who they

749
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,640
seem to like Jet Howard is still like, realistically is

750
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,000
he someone? And maybe this is just the start bench

751
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,599
g league question, like how much playing time do you

752
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,200
think he could realistically get? And who like coming at

753
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:21,960
who's expense?

754
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't spot like it would have to

755
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,119
be something. Oh we know how Jamal Mosley feels about

756
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:32,240
guys who really don't defend too well and so would

757
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:33,799
have to be Tias Jones is bad.

758
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that.

759
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,839
Speaker 1: That's the does that is? Do you see any other pathway?

760
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,119
Speaker 2: It's not the same position, but it's like Tristan da

761
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,279
Silva just isn't making shots, and so we don't care

762
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:45,319
that one guy's six' eight and one guy's six'. To

763
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:48,039
one we're just Gonna play jason like, you know you

764
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:50,319
peel off ten minutes a Game From da silva or

765
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,400
something because who played a lot. Last year by, the way.

766
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: It could be and he does have like so because

767
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,839
also it's gonna be even harder Because Now anthony blacks

768
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,440
minutes are gonna be impacted By Of desmond Bane And,

769
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,599
Tias JONES like I know kcp, went Out But anthony

770
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,960
blacks minutes will. Be impacted so you almost need to

771
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,320
be like better Than Both tias Jones Or. Anthony black at,

772
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,199
this Point or orlando needs to feel like it still

773
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,760
has defense, to spare which maybe that gets a Little

774
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,639
Like desmond bane's probably net, Neutral defender, so yeah that.

775
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,000
Plays OUT but i did come away thinking As the

776
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,320
magic get, more expensive and maybe if they have to

777
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,599
look at Moving At desmond bane or just like there's

778
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,079
someone THERE who i think the. SIZE thing i don't

779
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,039
know how it's gonna like THAT'S but i came away

780
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:32,480
thinking from what he Did In, summer, league, like oh

781
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:34,199
if there's someone who is gonna make it at six,

782
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,159
to one like this dude, can score and he can

783
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,559
make good decisions, on offense and he knows he knows

784
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:41,280
how to be small in a league.

785
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: OF trees i guess you're gonna put him on the,

786
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,119
bench then or send him TO The g league, and

787
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,360
say like you have the, ball now like you just

788
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:49,480
we're gonna see if you can actually become a.

789
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: Lead, guard, YEAH honestly i think it makes sense TO

790
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,039
Do g league at least for the, rookie, year right

791
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,719
because what are the odds that he's gonna usurp one

792
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,920
or Both Of tias Jones And anthony black in The.

793
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: Road head it's, like you they're very low and it's

794
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,199
just like a philosophical Question, for orlando like do you

795
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:07,239
want him up with the real team learning the stuff

796
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,079
you can't learn, someplace else or do you want him

797
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,280
to play and see if like maybe there's a slightly

798
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,440
different kind of player in there than he, looked like,

799
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,760
You Know. Michigan STATE so I think i agree. WITH

800
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,840
you i, could see, you know but like it sounds

801
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,400
like but based on what, you're describing is like if

802
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,239
there's an injury or the rotation somehow, gets wonky you

803
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,880
could throw him out there and, you know at least

804
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,960
he's gonna compete right and like make something. Happen offensively

805
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:32,519
so that's a that's. A, plus.

806
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,519
Speaker 1: Yeah he's i'm way more intrigued by HIM than i

807
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,280
was coming out of, the DRAFT which i probably say

808
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,840
how many times about these players speaking of, being intrigued grat.

809
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:45,039
Speaker 2: About your And My New, york knicks both of ours

810
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:48,400
collectively we have. Joint custody not really they're. ALL yours

811
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:53,400
i get every. Other Weekend, Mohammed Dijuara New york KNICKS

812
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,360
rookie extraordinaiy what do you got, On him.

813
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,599
Speaker 1: Uh could do Like Og an andobi four point zero

814
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:04,639
feel pretty. APT here, i, was man he can already

815
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,199
defend like as, a helper as an on, ball guy

816
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,519
he can defend across way more POSITIONS than i was

817
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:11,679
just having coming in not really knowing a ton about

818
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,280
him the on. Ball, stuff grant there's real. Feel there

819
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,039
he doesn't, really operate and that he kind of has

820
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,360
like maybe one to three speeds rather than if there's

821
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,079
an eleven ten, Point dial he's like not gonna explore all.

822
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:26,920
Of them the jumper's. Not good and that's a SHAME

823
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:28,639
because i think that he could play right away if

824
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,480
he was even like a remotely competent three. Point SHOOTER

825
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:32,880
and i JUST don't i don't know if there's a

826
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,199
pathway to him getting there having watched a bunch, of him,

827
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:37,599
but like this is someone who like the on ball

828
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:41,079
feel is at, his size it is. Really tantalizing but

829
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,639
when you're going into a team Like, the knicks and

830
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,599
that's assuming if he gets like is he gonna wind

831
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:48,079
up on a? Two way like what's gonna end? Up

832
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,480
happening like they can't afford to sign and like they

833
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,199
have that veteran slot open and then they need to

834
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,599
sign someone with, No experience so does he get that?

835
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,719
Roster spot does it go To A, james naji does

836
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,679
it go To ding pate who was like he was kind,

837
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:00,840
Of Intriguing but i'm still most in intrigued by among

838
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,360
the rookies That the Knicks, had dioara which IS why

839
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,960
i picked. Him here it's this is a lot swing

840
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,760
skill for a lot, of guys but it's ken the

841
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,639
three ball fall at with reasonable volume at a. Reasonable

842
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:16,400
clip h it didn't really Happen during, summer league AND

843
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,840
so i don't know how it's, Gonna happen like there's,

844
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,000
No pathway Like the knicks actually do need, a wing

845
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:25,119
but it's JUST like i don't they're not gonna have

846
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,800
the patience for him when he shot fifteen point four

847
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,039
percent on threes In. Summer league and again the on

848
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:33,199
ball stuff, is nice and they guess you could say

849
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:35,639
they need another ball handler who can, also shoot, but,

850
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,480
like no You Have. Jordan clarkson so if you're gonna

851
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,599
deal WITH, aern c like you're gonna Deal With jordan

852
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,079
clarkson and they play, different positions let me, be CLEAR

853
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,559
but i think there's a better chance of even if

854
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:47,599
he gets a Contract Like, pocom dottie maybe doing something

855
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:50,000
just because his defense might be a little. Bit more

856
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:52,719
it's kind of all over the. Place, Too uh, but

857
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,559
yeah do you are like there's real on ball skills,

858
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:55,960
there though Is what. I'm saying there's a lot of

859
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,000
defensive portability.

860
00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: For sure so it sounds like you're leaning league unless

861
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:05,320
like the financial constraints in the roster spot issues make

862
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,039
it so, that like well he kind of has to

863
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:09,880
be just he's On, the knicks but kind of just

864
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,920
because of the roster.

865
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: Slot, situation YEAH it's i think he might so if

866
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,239
they have to, give out if they wind up giving

867
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,159
out to the point that they have to give out

868
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:21,679
the contract to someone who zero years, of, Experience right

869
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,960
i'm that is the Dude that, i'm, picking like even

870
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,760
more so than the naj even more so Than. Dink

871
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,679
bait but regardless of what, HE'S doing i think it's

872
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,239
like he needs to spend time IN The. G league,

873
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,559
and look if he ever gets to a point where,

874
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:33,920
it's like oh like thirty six percent of his four

875
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,239
three point attempts per game, or fall and that's that

876
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,800
becomes really really interesting because, the AGAIN like, i said

877
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,639
the defensive versatility, is there and, IT'S like i, DON'T

878
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:46,000
know I think i don't want to say he's a five.

879
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,360
Position defender he might be a four. Position defend what do?

880
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,360
We got is there a way to Tarn feathered grant

881
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,440
live today FOR a c minus grade For the knicks

882
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,960
on the? Cat trade asking for asking for A? Friend

883
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:55,679
grant would you like?

884
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: TO respond i probably wrote that at least three, days

885
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,079
AGO so i don't remember anything. ABOUT it, i, mean

886
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:06,800
Thanks thanks jamie, for watching by, the way uh and

887
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,400
for Not correcting dan on the overarching, versus Overarching which

888
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:10,800
i'm not going.

889
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: TO forget i now pronounced. Overarching THOUGH did i? Say

890
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,000
overarching he?

891
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:19,039
Speaker 2: Fixed? You? Really yeah, since then, Shout, out james what

892
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:21,199
would you grade the cat trade From the? Knick side

893
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,960
while we're on, The topic, oh man is it a?

894
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,360
Good trade would you say it's a good?

895
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,119
Speaker 1: Bad TRADE but i tend to be LOWER and i

896
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:33,280
don't KNOW how i Feel About julius randall's contract. RIGHT

897
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,320
now I just i.

898
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 2: Don't know i'm willing to be. TALKED up i JUST

899
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,280
thought c minus felt just, about right like it didn't,

900
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,880
kill him it's. Not perfect he's a. Bad CONTRACT what's

901
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:47,840
I think i gave them LIKE a c OR a

902
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,400
c plus.

903
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:50,559
Speaker 1: Or, SOMETHING no, I see i can't give the if

904
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,880
you you'd have to go seize across, the BOARD because

905
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,880
i don't think any team like clearly won that unless you're, just,

906
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,920
Saying well minnesota got like two bodies in the next

907
00:39:58,199 --> 00:39:58,760
one technical.

908
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,559
Speaker 2: Plus versus this is not a. Clear win it's like,

909
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,840
a marginal. Debatable win and that's a.

910
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,599
Speaker 1: Good point generational hater in. The chat do you think?

911
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:09,000
It all the cat trade is like skewed Because the

912
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:10,920
knicks gave up everything from A cal bridges when they.

913
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,679
SHOULDN'T have i don't.

914
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,519
Speaker 2: KNOW how i mean there are two. SEPARATE trades i

915
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:21,719
mean it's the. Cartridges trade can't be the. Bridges trade

916
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:26,679
LIKE as, I was i grated. That, one yeah, thanks

917
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,559
whatever who Let? More. NICKS uh i KNEW the i

918
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:33,920
knew what was In the. Bridges trade we've talked about

919
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,000
it and wrote about it plenty times since, it happened

920
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,639
and then going over it to grade it a, YEAR

921
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,960
later i was, just, like really it was. ALL there

922
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,800
i can't believe these, unprotected FIRST like i understand, The

923
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,239
THEORY like i. Get it it's like we need. This

924
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,400
piece we're gonna get them on a. Sweetheart, extension, maybe

925
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,639
well we have yet to see for sure if that's gonna. Play,

926
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:58,679
out uh, but good Like, dews flash that was a

927
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,119
lot to give up for non star and it just

928
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,199
laid out in front of you when you're bullet pointing twenty,

929
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,760
twenty five first twenty, twenty seven first twenty, twenty nine first.

930
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,039
TWENTY three i just like it knocked me over a.

931
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,159
YEAR later i had a hard time. Parsing it do

932
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:14,639
you know what.

933
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: The problem is With the cat trade is that it

934
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,159
should be a win For the KNICKS because i think

935
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:21,159
that he, is clearly just for what he does on

936
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,960
offense at, his peak the best player in. That deal, but,

937
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:29,159
like yes his peaks and valleys are just, like it they're.

938
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,119
So stark and you.

939
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: Talk about this all the, time though about how like

940
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:37,920
if he can't be, a center then like his value

941
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,679
is just not what it, seems, Like Right like, i'm

942
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:43,679
paraphrasing but that's that's like a real core. Issue too,

943
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,119
AND look i think there's a great chance that that

944
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,519
trade looks Better Because mike brown does different stuff like

945
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:51,960
that's on the table, to ME but i, don't know.

946
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: Like like actual Interplay Between john bruce And, carlathe towns

947
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,880
which would be lovely to see after the way that's

948
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,000
a seriorated. Last season but the center points. Also interesting

949
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,199
and also you have to look at it through, this

950
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,840
vein like what team is banging down the door to

951
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,480
trade Anything For Karl anthony towns's contract right now In

952
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,920
Three and i've heard that's part Of the sometimes you

953
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,360
need to untether it from the value of, the contract

954
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,559
like you this is we're talking about, Actual trade SO

955
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,760
it's i mean it probably Like the knicks can maybe

956
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,280
fit it in better depending on what Happens with bridges'

957
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,039
Extension because Jalen brunts in like signed. His extension the other,

958
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,840
teams could but you can't give him that. Much money and,

959
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,239
then say Like the knicks Interest In. BEN simmons i

960
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,800
know they're a long shot to. Sign him this has

961
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,960
really gone off, the rails but if They Signed, Ben

962
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,239
simmons i'm not saying he's gonna play a, massive role

963
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,280
but it seems to, indicate, that oh like They're the

964
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,119
knicks are just gonna play dual bigs all, the time

965
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,199
and that's like, in essence because That's What ben simmons

966
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,400
is and, that's like that's Not What Karl anthony. Towns

967
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,679
is like that he doesn't become as big of. A

968
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,840
mismatch he becomes easier to insulate defensively as. A four

969
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,840
uh but then like he's he's still really good as

970
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,199
on offense, there too, but man and just also just

971
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,400
the stuff where when smaller players are on him and

972
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,679
he somehow, Gets WORSE like i just understand that. At

973
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:07,639
all so.

974
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:11,039
Speaker 2: So man so, In, summary mohammed you ARE a g

975
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:15,679
league with a detour. For cat let's let's move on

976
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,159
To The milwaukee bucks and A name i have been

977
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:24,400
eyeballing for good fifteen minutes Bogo. You MARKOVICH so i

978
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:26,960
just not to be confused with the Other, bogo ube

979
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,360
and we're going to refer to him first and the,

980
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,599
last name just in case there's. Any confusion please tell

981
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:36,280
me all About. The bucks your your choice here for

982
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,239
the Most interesting buck.

983
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,159
Speaker 1: SUMMER leaguer i get the theory, OF him i just

984
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:41,960
don't think it's ever going to be actualized AT. The

985
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,199
nba like he had some moments there was THE game

986
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:47,519
i think he played Against, the clippers he had or,

987
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,440
was it fourteen points on just, eight shots and while

988
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,280
he was moving well without, the ball kind of threw

989
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,239
a couple of. Nights passes there were some tough finishes

990
00:43:56,559 --> 00:44:00,320
from him at. The basket the flickers were just invariably few. Far.

991
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,559
Between uh he like belched out some truly truly bad

992
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,239
missus grant from beyond. The, arc uh and a lot

993
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,159
of them. Were. Open uh He left vegas basically with

994
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,639
just as many turnovers. As assists that's never a. Good.

995
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:16,679
Sign uh spent too much time like screening and defending with,

996
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,679
His hands like this wasn't SOMETHING that i came. Away through,

997
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,480
Oh no like even if his offense, pans out like

998
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,559
he just might get destroyed on the, Defensive end SO

999
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,920
like i don't know what. To expect he was was

1000
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,119
he forty? Seventh overall and then also just if you

1001
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:30,960
wanted to use him as a screener or like he

1002
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,840
would just had this weird way of just being in

1003
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,920
the way of the ball handles that we're trying to,

1004
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,840
get downhill and, it's, like, hey buddy like you could separate,

1005
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:37,800
from them like move off to.

1006
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: The right, just oh, we first our, first, hay buddy,

1007
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,400
you know it's. Never GOOD it's i. COULD tell i

1008
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,960
could tell you don't like him when you, have to

1009
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,480
when you have to hat. Buddy him uh so ue

1010
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:50,079
for number.

1011
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: FORTY seven i don't know what. You're like the theory

1012
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,079
of a stretch big who might be able to throw

1013
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:55,960
some passes and move well without. THE ball i totally.

1014
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,400
GET it i just, YOU know I don't i don't

1015
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:00,119
see A lo.

1016
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: Is, all, YEAH yeah i mean, he's like, you know

1017
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:06,159
maybe he should have gone. Fifty third probably it sounds

1018
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:07,400
like what you're saying instead.

1019
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: Of what he should go no earlier Than When quinton post,

1020
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,039
was drafted which was number. Fifty, two right the.

1021
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: Vast majority of the players we've talked about on this

1022
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,519
shouldn't have gone Ahead Of. Quintin post, All right so

1023
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,119
THAT'S a. G league i'm gonna answer it.

1024
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:21,679
Speaker 1: For you, if, whoa, whoa, WHOA whoa i think they

1025
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:26,079
should start him and Really test. GIANNIS'S loyalty i think that's. The, move.

1026
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:29,679
Speaker 2: Really that's how you know they're pushing him out. The,

1027
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,880
door finally, All right miami, HEAT widely i guess thought

1028
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,920
to have gotten a guy maybe ten spots later than

1029
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:45,840
some expected, caspers yacuccionis is this another, heat find especially

1030
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,199
if you forget the VERY First g league game, he

1031
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:51,039
played which. Was, atrocious Yeah pre vegas.

1032
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: Was Rough pre vegas. Was rough he played a lot Better.

1033
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,639
In vegas there is like he is he can throw

1034
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:58,719
some of these passes that IT'S just i can't even

1035
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,119
believe that he. Threw them but it works both ways

1036
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,480
for bad, reasons too where, it's yeah there was instances

1037
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:06,480
Of on, miami's team like, you Know the bigs not

1038
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:08,840
being able to catch, the ball but there was also just,

1039
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,519
like why like why did you have to put that

1040
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:15,119
much flair? On it AND so i think the ease

1041
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:16,480
with which he's able to get off is off the

1042
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,280
dribble jumpers two. Is great he also uses as a crutch.

1043
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:23,079
Too much his most encouraging performance WAS probably i think

1044
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:24,960
it was Against. The hawks he had twenty, four points,

1045
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,639
four assists seven to, twelve shooting including five of nine.

1046
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:30,800
FROM three i think when you watch the way that

1047
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,679
he moves and can even just because of, his size

1048
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:34,760
like the way he's able to get shots and passes off,

1049
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,559
over defenders you could really see what you said at, The,

1050
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,639
top oh like look what the? Heat did, they did they,

1051
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:42,039
stole someone they did. It again but you could also

1052
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,000
kind of look back and, feel, like oh what? Happened

1053
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,800
here it doesn't feel like there's gonna be like a

1054
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,159
huge in between range, for him if that, gets like

1055
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,440
if that makes. Any sense so it feels like the

1056
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:56,840
upside is, clearly high but the downside is like it

1057
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,360
is very. Very DOWN AND i i still look the turnovers,

1058
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,280
FOR me i Know It's, summer league but like too

1059
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,199
many of them felt preventable or just like he's, trying to,

1060
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,079
you know put some more flash on it than he,

1061
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,000
needs to or just not taking the fact that there

1062
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,280
are defenders in front of him, into account which, just

1063
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,280
feels you know a. LITTLE bit I just i think

1064
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,440
he's probably where he. SHOULD be i PROBABLY when i was,

1065
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,599
DOING grades i might have graded him too harshly because

1066
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:25,000
of what happened At The. California classic, he's intriguing, BUT

1067
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,800
like I don't i would question whether if you can

1068
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,199
go INTO the nba version Of, THE heat i don't

1069
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,679
know what if you, played him he might actually need

1070
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,159
to be on the, ball also and that's like a little.

1071
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:40,559
Speaker 2: Bit problematic that was my, exact question is, like hypothetically

1072
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,760
say he's sharing the Backcourt, With hero like what share

1073
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,800
of the on ball time do you think you need

1074
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,639
him to have for it to make the most sense in. That,

1075
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:57,000
pairing yeah answer. A zero and he's a, bench player

1076
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:58,559
then that's an, answer too you KNOW what? I, mean

1077
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,000
like but just try to think of how he would

1078
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,400
fit next To the heat's current, Best guard like is?

1079
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,760
THAT possible i.

1080
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: Think what's interesting is that All of miami's go like

1081
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,800
best guards, Right Now So, Norman Powell, tyler hero like

1082
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,480
they can play off, the ball which. Really WORKS but

1083
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,920
i also just maybe he won't. Do This but casper's

1084
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,920
was just like over indexed on rejecting screens or like

1085
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,280
running away from them basically like not even like giving

1086
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,760
the flat. OUT rejection i don't KNOW that i trust

1087
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,920
Him to like part of it might, just, be yeah

1088
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,679
the pass has got in, his defense like a lot

1089
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,800
of his pass has got, to people and like they

1090
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,920
were just. Mishandling them, there was of course the misshots

1091
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,599
that we know About In. Summer league and now you're

1092
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:36,480
going to Play, with bam so like if you're gonna

1093
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,519
run some two game two man action between Him, and bam, like, okay,

1094
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:43,679
like yeah this. IS awesome i just the learning curve

1095
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,960
feels like it's gonna, be STEEP and I think i

1096
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,320
have trouble. Seeing him this might be the best WAY

1097
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,880
that i could contextualize it for, ME anyway i have

1098
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,280
trouble seeing him. Scale down if he, pans out it, feels,

1099
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,559
like oh he turned into like the primary on ball

1100
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,719
creator for. A team that kind of.

1101
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: Makes me like to pick MORE because i don't want

1102
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,480
just like a solid well he's an eighth guy at

1103
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:06,119
number was? IT twenty i want the guy that's like

1104
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,400
he might be a starter that has the ball all,

1105
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,960
the time or he might be out of the league

1106
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,119
before His, ROOKIE like i want that guy at that

1107
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,000
at that point in the. FIRST round, i think especially

1108
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,280
if you're the heat that he, don't need like, a solid,

1109
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:18,760
you know guy who's gonna have an eight year career

1110
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,519
that's just never any, you know. NEVER great, I know

1111
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,920
I like i like the. RISK profile i think that

1112
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,360
you're right to like the risk. Risk profiles i'm probably

1113
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,360
falling too. LOVE in i want the optionality, of well

1114
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,239
can they scale down or can they be used in?

1115
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,920
This way he had some like good, Defensive moments so

1116
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,719
there's that, As well but, you're right like at pick,

1117
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,000
number twenty why not take, the swing especially if You're

1118
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:42,639
a heat team that doesn't Have Like tyler herro, is

1119
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:44,480
great but they were talking about there was like In

1120
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:48,039
That keith smith Of spow track had The His summer

1121
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:50,400
league notes dump and had all these, fantastic quotes and

1122
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,119
it seems Like the heat maybe haven't watched Enough Of

1123
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:54,719
norman powell if they think he's gonna do a lot

1124
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,960
of on. Ball stuff so, you're right like, in reflection

1125
00:49:58,039 --> 00:49:59,960
like the performance in summer league is the Performance in,

1126
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,199
summer league but you have like the swing, is right

1127
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,599
AND so i don't know if he ends up being,

1128
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,960
a steal BUT the i guess the thought process behind

1129
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,400
it is. Absolutely, correct, yeah thanks thanks for getting on board.

1130
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,519
With me, All right so he's a bench probably right

1131
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:14,920
as opposed to you're not sending him TO the g league.

1132
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: Honestly though like, just so do you think that there's

1133
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,719
gonna be enough ROOM because i think he needs on

1134
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,880
ball touches because that's going to be his best role

1135
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,239
as you have the ball make. These decisions can you

1136
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,000
give him enough? Of that Like the heat technically could

1137
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,280
be well served going through a mini gap year at

1138
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,480
least not caring about the wins. And losses they own their.

1139
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,400
Own pick but are they gonna? Do THIS so i

1140
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,960
think he's capable of making an impact, right now but

1141
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,840
you gotta put the ball in his hands like a really.

1142
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,000
Good amount or maybe it's, you know we say trial

1143
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:45,960
by fire with putting the ball in your hands as, Their, trial,

1144
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,760
like no you learn to work off, everybody else that's

1145
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:49,360
your baptism.

1146
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: By, FIRE yeah. I could i could SEE The g

1147
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,079
league making sense in, that case especially if you just

1148
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:58,280
want to see what kind of like where the ceiling

1149
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,480
and floor are in terms of him being like a

1150
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:02,880
high usage on, the ball all the time type. Of guy,

1151
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,639
all right you're ready to Move? To indiana tell me About.

1152
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:06,639
Cam jones.

1153
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: The shooting grant is just as up and down. As advertised,

1154
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,599
that is that's my biggest takeaway. From him somebody who

1155
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:16,400
WAS when i was, GRANTING him i gave him LIKE

1156
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,360
a b minus for. HIS performance i think the self

1157
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,960
creation he has. Stands out he's another one though where

1158
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,760
it could become a little bit of. A crutch. He'll

1159
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,440
settle he settled for too many contested jumpers to, my

1160
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:28,960
liking or he just has these east west detours that

1161
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:33,039
there might be downhill openings available or they're unavailable and

1162
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:35,719
he's just working side to side and really. GOING nowhere

1163
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,559
i think he needs to have more variants or maybe

1164
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,719
just more optionality to his decision making when he does

1165
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,159
have his drives, cut off but really like the ability

1166
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:46,360
to get downstream when he's either in the half court

1167
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,960
from a dead stop transition. SEMI transition i think that

1168
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,800
kind of keeps, intrigue alive and the drives are going

1169
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,840
to be IMPORTANT because i think that's the vehicle through

1170
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,119
which his playmaking will. Shine brightest he has a nose

1171
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,280
for like some finishing around the basket if it's there

1172
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,360
with either. Hand too like that was another thing, was like,

1173
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,800
oh okay like he can, do THIS but i think

1174
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,840
it's really gonna Have to you want the shooting to be.

1175
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,840
More consistent part of that might, be okay well what

1176
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,960
does this shot diet? Look like when not just the

1177
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:15,159
type or the where he's, shooting from, but like well

1178
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:17,079
how did that? Shot come were there a few too?

1179
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:19,880
Many dribbles like should there been more offense run before he? Got?

1180
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,199
Speaker 2: There okay so. That good that gets to, My QUESTION

1181
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:26,000
and i asked this question not knowing If the pacers

1182
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:30,079
offense will be what it Was without haliburton as sort

1183
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,760
of like the biggest or most influential factor in sort

1184
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,039
of how they play and move and stuff. Like that

1185
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:40,039
did you see Anything from jones that gave you confidence

1186
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:43,440
or like shook your confidence in his ability to make

1187
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:45,880
super quick decisions and move off the ball and do

1188
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,800
all the all the blender stuff That the pacers like.

1189
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,679
To do do you do you feel like you got

1190
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,760
a sense of how he might work in that? Environment,

1191
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,000
Specifically no i'm not. Gonna lie it's hard, To, say

1192
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,079
well It's, summer league so what are? You, watching really It's.

1193
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: Summer league and it's also just like the off ball

1194
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,679
Stuff That tyre's haliburton did, more of especially After The buddy.

1195
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,760
HEEL trade i don't Know If cam jones is gonna

1196
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,679
have that, In him AND then i just feel like

1197
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,480
there is the decision making is just not and not

1198
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:12,119
to compare Him To, tyre's HALIBURN but i don't know

1199
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,639
if it's on the level of even like YOU might

1200
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:18,239
i think you Would Trust andrew nemhard or OF course

1201
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,119
Tj McConnell moore to run your, offense there and it

1202
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,960
kind of comes, down, to, like yeah he'll probably be

1203
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,880
a better Playmaker Than. Benanic mathrin but that's damning with

1204
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,719
faint praise to.

1205
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: Say, That Okay, taylor peter what do we got?

1206
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,119
Speaker 1: On him he's like kind of just feels like a

1207
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:38,320
guy that's going. To work it's just constantly moving off,

1208
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,599
the ball away from. The ball if he's not playing

1209
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,880
in that, constant motion he's just like the floor navigation

1210
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,119
in the half court of, like knowing OH do i

1211
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:49,760
have to lift up OR do i have to relocate

1212
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,440
to the corner where you're not in that. Constant motion

1213
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,119
you could just kind of feel his brain. Processing EVERYTHING

1214
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,679
so i think he probably got a sense for if

1215
00:53:57,679 --> 00:53:59,119
you're looking for someone who might be able to chop

1216
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:02,119
her in and fit better With. The pacers it just

1217
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,119
he's an. Instinctual cutter like this just feels like someone

1218
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:08,800
who's more so wired to be part Of this, pacers

1219
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,239
team Especially Without. TYRE'S haliburton i think that there is

1220
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,559
some on. Ball upside he's, relatively patient maintains his dribble

1221
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,079
when he gets into. The lane he kind of just

1222
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:21,400
like uses his eyes to catch defenders like, off balance

1223
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:24,320
like he's looking almost anywhere than where he's gonna. Pass

1224
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,480
IT so i was more impressed with the live dribble

1225
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:29,320
THINGS than i really knew. Of him, and really with

1226
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,000
the exception of like that Game, against Okac and i'm

1227
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:34,360
not talking ABOUT The, nba finals please do not confuse

1228
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,599
that his shooting never. Really popped it's like that something,

1229
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:41,000
To consider but given that that was one of his

1230
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:44,519
most bankable skills coming out, OF school i think that

1231
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:46,159
you could, just say, all right like summer League is

1232
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:48,880
summer League Is. Summer LEAGUE so i kind of like

1233
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,000
his fit On. The Pacers and i'm probably also colored

1234
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,960
by the Fact That caitlin cooper tweeted that he Should

1235
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,039
get indiana's final two way spot or whatever, it Was

1236
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:01,400
And kevin pritchard replied to her with the, handshake emoji

1237
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,039
and so like that probably just up upped my grade immediately.

1238
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:09,599
Speaker 2: From there so both of these GUYS probably, g leaguers certainly,

1239
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:13,480
not starters but in any bench possibilities, YOU think i.

1240
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: Really Think talent peter, could be But the pacers are

1241
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,199
still just. So deep, BUT like i would love to

1242
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,039
see him like they're going To be i'm sure they

1243
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:23,960
plan on still, being respectable but like if you're not

1244
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,559
going to experiment with players, like this like just the

1245
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:28,400
six or four guy who does a lot of things

1246
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,960
well or is like kind of a like has some m,

1247
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:32,599
ball stuff but could just be like maybe a little

1248
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:34,519
bit of a connector at both ends of the floor

1249
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,760
might not give him some run and then if you

1250
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,400
need to convert him at, some point like you just

1251
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,480
figure it. Out then and he's also just because he's,

1252
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,760
twenty three like just might be one of those guys

1253
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,320
that comes in and you can see his the poise

1254
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,199
that you saw in summer league like does translate away, because,

1255
00:55:48,199 --> 00:55:50,159
there's yeah there's something, scientific, like oh these dudes are

1256
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,360
a little. Bit older maybe they'll just fare slightly better

1257
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,960
once they get to the. Big club, all.

1258
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 2: Right let's move To The. Detroit pistons just wanted to, Discuss,

1259
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,400
Here Uh chas lanier tell me it's tell me your

1260
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,760
thoughts on his summer league performance and where he might

1261
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:04,400
might or might not fit In the.

1262
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: PISTONS rotation, i, mean look Now That malik beasley is,

1263
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,960
not there that's a dude that absolutely might just fit

1264
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,000
like the movement away from the ball is insane and

1265
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:17,480
they need they still need. Capslock shooters They Have, duncan

1266
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:19,440
robinson they got Cast, of verb but they still need.

1267
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,199
Capslock shooters and if his Performance in vegas was any

1268
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,320
indication it could, be linear so they didn't like you

1269
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,079
could look at it, and, say oh like the percentages

1270
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,679
should be a little bit higher for the twenty three,

1271
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,480
year old but he got them up, grant, quickly cleanly

1272
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,920
off motion and. Under pressure there, are SHADES and i

1273
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,880
want to make it clear emphasis on SHADES because i

1274
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,800
Know who i'm talking to. Right now Of Just. Klay

1275
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,000
thompson careful in him when you look at the half,

1276
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,400
court relocation the transition trailing and overall floor mapping even

1277
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,000
as well as just like he has a pull up two,

1278
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,000
to him Remember prime clay trying to get to like

1279
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:56,559
getting to. THOSE spots i don't think his defense is

1280
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,199
gonna endear Him To jamie, bickerstaff though so that will

1281
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:01,440
be something. To walk but you want someone who could

1282
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,960
come in and just score and just like a variety

1283
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,840
of ways without ever having to monopolize possession on. The

1284
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,039
ball like that'n that's, Your guy like that's just someone

1285
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:10,119
who Should interest detroit.

1286
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: For, sure yeah so definitely like right player type for

1287
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:15,559
what they're. Looking for it's just a question of can

1288
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:19,000
he be a good enough version of that to matters

1289
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:20,920
as a rookie And then i'm really probably over the

1290
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:21,360
next couple.

1291
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,079
Speaker 1: Of years there's still a, point though would you say

1292
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:26,880
that you should be willing to truck if he's on, Your,

1293
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,840
books like you should be willing to try, him, out

1294
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,840
right just because we know that they had a fantastic

1295
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,119
here last season and there's clearly expectations there leading into.

1296
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:36,199
This one but you also like you're still sort of

1297
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:38,559
in self, discovery mode Like With ron holland had a great.

1298
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:41,199
Summer league we're not talking, about sophomores, but, like, yeah

1299
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:43,239
again we need to see More Of ron holland, next.

1300
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: SEASON right I think i think maybe my answer would

1301
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:51,320
be different if it were another type, Of player but

1302
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:53,519
based on what, you're saying it sounds like this is

1303
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:56,480
kind of a, specialist ROLE and I guess I'm more

1304
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,480
i'd be more willing to explore or just like, to

1305
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,639
quote like to toss someone out there and, be like

1306
00:58:02,679 --> 00:58:04,519
can you do the thing that we need you to

1307
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:08,559
do and not kill us at everything else that that

1308
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:12,000
seems like an, easier sell uh for because, the, pistons

1309
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,960
look the. PISTONS are i think they're gonna. BE good,

1310
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:18,199
i mean, you know maybe there's some clawback from last

1311
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,000
year's huge leap in, the standings but. Maybe not and so, you,

1312
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:24,480
can't like you can't just keep messing around or keep

1313
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:26,599
trying to figure stuff out like you're good enough to.

1314
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:28,800
Wear that you have to take more of a case

1315
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,840
by case approach. To that but in, this case if

1316
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,599
he's if he could Be a beasley, stand IN then

1317
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:37,679
i think you probably do kind of at least explore

1318
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:40,239
it a. Little bit so maybe he's a. Bench guy.

1319
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:44,920
All right so we're Onto The cleveland. Cavaliers Here tyree's

1320
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,679
proctor big name if you're a college, BASKETBALL fan, I suppose,

1321
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,000
but uh IS he i. DON'T know i like that

1322
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:56,360
they got him where, they did just because it's some

1323
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,960
of the, Pedigree stuff, but like is he is he realistic?

1324
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,639
Gonna play and then if, he does like what will

1325
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:07,400
be his carrying skills? And what then on the, FLIP

1326
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,280
side i guess what might prevent that? From HAPPENING so

1327
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:12,639
i think what.

1328
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: He does is he gives you a potential sort of

1329
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,519
and they might have this a little bit Too in Jail,

1330
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:19,599
And tyson but when you're looking at trying to fill

1331
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:21,880
what a lot Of caris lavert And Nor ti, jerome

1332
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,440
did he seems best suited to blend those two more

1333
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,280
so Than in Jail. And tyson he's comfortable working on,

1334
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:29,679
the ball but he also showed that he could work

1335
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:31,679
off it during some league at least hit those. Jumpers

1336
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:34,599
there he also plays at a, speed that Like ty,

1337
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,239
jerome specifically is, never explored like he can get to

1338
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,280
warp speed like that even from a. DEAD stop i

1339
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,440
think what's gonna be sort of a defining skill for

1340
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:45,480
him is what does the playmaking? Look like AND because

1341
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,679
i think That if cleveland's looking, for anything it's can

1342
00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:49,519
You be it'd be nice to have someone who could

1343
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:52,599
be a more aggressive score Than A craig. Porter junior

1344
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,559
but you want someone to be like maybe a better

1345
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:56,320
passer Than a Jae and tyson, right now and you

1346
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,960
want but you also want someone who could break down

1347
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,320
set defenses in the, half court which is not Something

1348
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,360
That lonzo ball is. Gonna, Do Uh tyre's proctor has

1349
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,880
Like A donovan mitchellian chaos to him on, the ball

1350
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:11,119
like like the suddenness of his speed or like. Shifting

1351
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:13,519
gears i'm not saying he's gonna be. That good he's

1352
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:16,760
not made, that clear but he did show hints of

1353
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,039
just oh look At that, lobby threw or there was

1354
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:20,960
like a couple of nice pocket passes that. He had

1355
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,519
if he can do, THAT consistently i don't see a

1356
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:26,480
role for him on this year's clean like you're, gonna

1357
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,039
default but. This does it was a nice swing in

1358
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:34,079
terms of can we GET an? Nba PLAYER and i

1359
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:35,840
think the answer is, just, like yeah he could BE an,

1360
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,199
nba player which is just if you're gonna get the

1361
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:41,400
confidence level of some of these guys that are being

1362
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,000
taken IN the i don't like just say the forties,

1363
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,639
and beyond or whether they're undrafted like he he was

1364
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:49,239
certainly intriguing for the spot where they, took him and

1365
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,639
just also knowing kind of like maybe not what, they

1366
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:54,719
need but who. They lost or there's all these different

1367
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:58,039
types of guards that do these different things and he

1368
01:00:58,119 --> 01:00:59,719
might be able to blend more of.

1369
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,519
Speaker 2: Them together i'm still g, leaguing him. Are?

1370
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:05,159
Speaker 1: YOU yeah, I mean i mean if he's playing minutes

1371
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:08,039
for the cow though something's probably. Gone wrong but Remember

1372
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:09,840
When Craig porter junior was doing that and it was,

1373
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,079
all right this is, an ideal but it's.

1374
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: Working, right Yeah That greg porter really had. A moment

1375
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,559
if it was two, YEARS ago i think that he

1376
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:19,079
had a real. Stretch there, all right we're Onto The.

1377
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:24,679
CHICAGO bulls, i mean. This guy let's Hope That noah

1378
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,000
sange is known for more than getting dunked on because.

1379
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,760
THAT that i, don't know how did you? FEEL about

1380
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,559
i honestly felt bad for him because the way that

1381
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:36,480
that photo, came out it was, just, like, oh man

1382
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,599
he doesn't need this and it's just gonna be a

1383
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:42,599
defining characteristic of HIS until i don't, know when maybe maybe.

1384
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,719
Speaker 1: FOREVER whatever, i mean like he could have made the

1385
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:47,760
business decision and gotten out of. THE way i don't

1386
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,079
EVEN like i just. That stuff the face, Was funny,

1387
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:53,960
but yeah you kind of, feel bad especially NOW as

1388
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,000
i get a little, bit older and, it's, like oh these,

1389
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,320
are kids and like we're just, meming, children right.

1390
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:01,039
Speaker 2: He had a hard DAY that i bet it wasn't

1391
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:04,320
any fun to check his phone after for it probably, Still.

1392
01:02:04,119 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: Is and you know he's on his phone too because

1393
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,719
of just like how that, Works now so this isn't

1394
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:13,280
like completely. Ignoring it he, was though independent of. Getting

1395
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,800
posterized he was just all over. The place and, he's

1396
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,400
nineteen so what else are you going? To expect the

1397
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,840
physical tools due point to someone who will get by

1398
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,119
be lining towards the rim and drawing fouls until the

1399
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:27,119
rest of his game. Flushes out, that's good and he

1400
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:29,159
did provide a glimpse into what the fuller package might.

1401
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:31,599
Look like it was his. Third game he pumped in

1402
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:34,039
twenty one points on seven or, fourteen shooting including three

1403
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:35,920
of eight from beyond, the ARC and i think the

1404
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,320
percentage there is equally important to, the volume like getting

1405
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,280
up eight three is in a. Single game he looked

1406
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,239
at home getting off his three ball in that game,

1407
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:45,159
as well and he just showed more variance with his

1408
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:46,920
handle like he got in. That game he was able

1409
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,639
to get to there was a shot where he was

1410
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,199
able to get to and just get off his mid

1411
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,800
range jumper, pretty FLUIDLY and i think that's an. Encouraging

1412
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,440
sign but the offense is just it's a work. In,

1413
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,039
progress overall kind of feels like he's flailing sometimes when

1414
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:01,400
he gets, down here throwing his body places or just

1415
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,559
trying to draw, a foul and it's not always gonna.

1416
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:07,639
Work out it can look out, of. Control sloppy he

1417
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:09,840
will bail out on some of his, drives too like

1418
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,599
before when he has room to, go more or like

1419
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,559
for someone who's maybe looking, for contact he's not following

1420
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:17,000
through all. THE way i could do with fewer of

1421
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:20,400
the contested. LAYOFF layoff i could do a, fewer, layoffs yeah,

1422
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,880
for everybody but fewer of the contested layups that he.

1423
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,440
Got off and then like the defense is just sort

1424
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,480
of it comes. And goes he can be he can

1425
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,599
be pesky when he's playing at full bore and he

1426
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:33,000
flashed a lot of high energy on. The glass he

1427
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,239
can also just sort of disappear from POSSESSIONS or, i

1428
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,239
think like we there might be some low lights for

1429
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,960
him where it's he got blown by or he got

1430
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,360
back cut on. Like this not saying he'd be First

1431
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,480
Team all memed, on defense but it's not. FOR that

1432
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:49,840
i don't even think it's gonna, be, like oh look

1433
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,880
he just. GOT posterizers i don't think it's gonna. BE

1434
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,480
that i think it Might, be oh he was just

1435
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:55,960
caught body out, of position got blown by or he

1436
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,800
wasn't paying attention and he got back. Cut on it

1437
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,639
feels like that's gonna be more of the stuff needs to.

1438
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:02,840
Deal With, which well a team draft.

1439
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: A nineteen, year old, that's like that's that's that's part of.

1440
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,760
The PACKAGE so g, LEAGUE probably i MEAN that's i,

1441
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,320
don't know that's a fairly high pick FOR a. G.

1442
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,199
Speaker 1: LEAGUER no i think you need to, Play, HIM okay,

1443
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:17,440
i like it's just you're THE bulls i. WOULD call

1444
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,280
i would bring him off, the bench AND it's i

1445
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,519
think there's like a weird get Him And modest buzzello's

1446
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:25,239
playing together and then, LIKE vouch I guess vooch stretches

1447
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,960
the floor reliably, so maybe but like Him and modest

1448
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,559
buzzellis Feel like bozells might have more like girth or strength.

1449
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,239
To him but it feels like they're both kind of

1450
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,280
fours without needing to. Be threes but maybe you could

1451
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:36,840
get away.

1452
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: With.

1453
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:42,159
Speaker 1: IT uh i think you probably feel Better about i'm

1454
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,519
kind of asking you. This too who would you feel better, About,

1455
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:46,400
SAYING oh i know that guy is going to be

1456
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,639
more of a. Combo wing Is It noah sangue or

1457
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:51,960
is it a is It? Modest buzzellis at, THIS.

1458
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: Point i think you just have To say bouzillis because

1459
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,280
he showed some of that stuff as. A rookie i,

1460
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:01,719
think certainly like, SKILL wise i mean again it's it,

1461
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,760
Was FLASHES but i would just Default to bizells EVEN

1462
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,079
though i mean a lot of. THE criticisms i think

1463
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:11,000
Although like bizillis plays really hard AND and i think

1464
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,679
he's JUST further, i mean he's just a. BETTER player

1465
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:15,400
i think he was a better player at this time last,

1466
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,599
year TOO so i would lean him. Pretty strong.

1467
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: He was he was one of the more surprising rookies. For,

1468
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:21,960
Me right we're just like a lot of the stuff,

1469
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,039
he did especially, on defense really turn turned.

1470
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 2: My. Head, YEP yeah i think he's going to be

1471
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,159
A player a saying all we'll see, too early, All

1472
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:31,239
Right So charlotte hornster next got a couple of them.

1473
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: Konk.

1474
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: NIPPLE uh i guess my thoughts on him initially were

1475
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,320
like the shooting, will work and then Everything else i'm.

1476
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,000
Not sure so, and again since we don't really care

1477
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:48,239
about shooting percentages In, summer league what's the what's the

1478
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,360
everything else look like? To you and and that. Can

1479
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,639
encompass can he stand in front of? His guy can

1480
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:55,639
he use his strength and craft to get to spots

1481
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:58,360
on the floor to? Draw, fouls like is he athletically,

1482
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,559
you know capable of hanging in like all the other

1483
01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:05,079
ways to just keep his shooting on.

1484
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: The, Floor, OFFENSIVELY yes i think there's going to be

1485
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,079
more of a fuller. Package there he's really good at kind.

1486
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:13,960
Of keeping this is another guy where it feels like

1487
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,119
he's using his eyes or the direction of his just

1488
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,239
sightline to throw defenders. Off KILTER so i think that,

1489
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,119
the playmaking maybe it's not gonna be super, high end

1490
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:25,280
but he will do enough of it and can score

1491
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,800
in a like different ways than just like just maintaining

1492
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,320
your dribble can be a, cheat CODE and i think

1493
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,239
that he is one of those guys that can. DO

1494
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,440
that i but, the defense like the limited athleticism, AND

1495
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,480
speed i think is really just going to come back to.

1496
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:41,960
Bite him he does have good size what he listed at,

1497
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:46,000
six seven, BUT yeah i, DON'T like i don't know

1498
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:48,639
what to make of, him DEFENSIVELY and i think it's

1499
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:51,559
Just really i'm higher on the playmaking and the ways

1500
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:53,719
in which he could score just outside of. The shooting

1501
01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:55,280
that makes me, feel, like oh this is gonna be

1502
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,840
a like a really good overall. Offensive prospect and he. Did,

1503
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,320
HAVE again i think it's because of his size and he's.

1504
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,559
Not weak there were some just like sturdier, defensive stands

1505
01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:07,800
like guys not really being able to move him. As

1506
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,159
well but when you're gonna face guys that have more

1507
01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:14,280
rocks blosion and more directionality to the way they're gonna

1508
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,079
operate on, THE ball i think he could run into.

1509
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:18,519
Some trouble, but again the size helps. Him, there look

1510
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:20,239
we would have a comment in The chat khan has

1511
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,239
great strength and can get to where. He, wants yeah we,

1512
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:24,239
SAW that i think, on offense but WE also I

1513
01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:26,119
do i think that might help him on defense a.

1514
01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 2: Little, BIT okay i THINK it's i feel like the

1515
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,440
playoffs in particular have shown us that teams are more

1516
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:37,079
willing to have a defensive vulnerability on the floor if

1517
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:40,199
they can shoot it. Or PLAYMAKE and i don't feel

1518
01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:43,360
like that Was necessarily you couldn't get away with that quite,

1519
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,400
as easily like even five. Years ago so that's all.

1520
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,000
To Say can nipple comes into the league at the,

1521
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:50,239
right time because if he really is gonna be able

1522
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:53,320
to make shots and get to spots on the, floor

1523
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,840
offensively then whatever you shade to, his side you try

1524
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,480
to hide him all this other stuff on defense and

1525
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:03,320
you can get away. With IT so i TAKE your

1526
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,480
i definitely agree with the defensive concerns and just the

1527
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:10,000
general athletic limitations that kind of make him play smaller

1528
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:13,599
defensively than he. Actually is but with.

1529
01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: Him too is just like one of the most, popular

1530
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,079
COPS and i look at him, On offense, i'm like

1531
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:19,239
this just. Isn't FAIR but i think people are trying

1532
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:22,520
to cake in the. Defensive limitations Was the Corey Kisspert

1533
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,960
and i'm sort, of like there's nothink he's going to,

1534
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,479
be better WHICH so i think that that's being too

1535
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,199
hard or too harsh on whatever weaknesses you think he.

1536
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: MIGHT have, I mean i kind of this this is

1537
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,680
also a bad, comp so but it's kind of all

1538
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,640
the way the, Other Directions Like, joe ingles who like

1539
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,600
was sneakily an incredible pick and roll operator because he

1540
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,640
had good feel and saw the angles and was big

1541
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,880
and strong enough to like get where he needed. To

1542
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,640
get to find the right angles and was like like

1543
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,800
lights out shooter that couldn't. GUARD anybody I think nipple's

1544
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,159
more Athletic, than ingles but that's not saying anything but

1545
01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:58,279
that that felt more like the type of player, to

1546
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,640
me where like, he's smart, he's strong he gets where,

1547
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,560
he wants and he makes open shots and then you

1548
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:03,520
just survive with.

1549
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: Everything else what about like a Better shooting Kyle.

1550
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 2: And, ANDERSON sure i Mean like anderson has like fringy

1551
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:14,399
center size in. Some lineups, but YEAH like, i, Think

1552
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,560
wow anderson's hands are, SO good i need.

1553
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: To, SEE well i mean that the defense of comparison

1554
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,840
is but again that might be the he doesn't have

1555
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,319
the same physical like the same length and size as, you're,

1556
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:25,359
mentioning well What is anderson loss at, SIX' nine i

1557
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:25,920
guess that's what he is.

1558
01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:28,399
Speaker 2: Something, like that, yeah so yeah the defense.

1559
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,520
Speaker 1: Is probably, unfair but offensively it's just sort of like.

1560
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,439
He could operate maybe that's a terrible because the way

1561
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,640
he could score off motion that Was Never even joe ingles.

1562
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:36,399
A Strong Suit but joe.

1563
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: Ingles, IS no, yeah, i mean yeah. That's the thing

1564
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,680
there's not REALLY a, great i mean we could probably if,

1565
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,960
he sat down we. Could do, better but yeah there's

1566
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,960
not a great, comp for him other than just just

1567
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:49,520
citing a lot of like some real pluses on offense

1568
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,439
and then not. Sure, on defense oh regulator, Speaking Some

1569
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,479
truth desmond baine, is a comp might be a better

1570
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,279
defender in. A few, YEARS i mean I don't, KNOW

1571
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:02,319
baine well i guess the, Shooting Is there like bain's

1572
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,600
just full stop one of the best three point shooters,

1573
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,199
in The league and cannipple probably. Should be that bain's

1574
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:11,119
a little more, Athletically Dynamic though like bain in the

1575
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:14,800
open floor can, run guys over can, run past guys that,

1576
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,119
kind of thing has like that, quick step back the.

1577
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:19,880
Side Step stuff maybe cannipple he, could, get THERE maybe.

1578
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,159
BUT i Don't i think bain's not LIKE in the

1579
01:10:22,279 --> 01:10:24,960
nba because, of his athleticism but he's quite a bit

1580
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,399
More athletic than, Knipple, to me?

1581
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: Yeah who's that this is gonna, Bother me now like

1582
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,279
who's the Actually Good con? K nipple comp.

1583
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:34,199
Speaker 2: I don't know i will have to well to do

1584
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:36,800
a special episode if we don't get some good. Submissions

1585
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,800
On that, Another charlotte, Rookie liam McNeely what do?

1586
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: You think there so this IS someone who i knew

1587
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,800
a lot less, about coming IN and SO i think

1588
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,720
i came away like super, impressed with him MORE so

1589
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,319
than I was With kan K nipple because i was

1590
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:53,880
probaking off such. An, ignorant baseline yeah, but my god like.

1591
01:10:54,039 --> 01:10:55,920
He can score another dude who can score in like

1592
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,239
a bunch. Of different ways when you, were watching him

1593
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,439
you just kind, OF saw like i can't believe he

1594
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,039
dropped as low. As he did it was like kind of.

1595
01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:05,359
My first impression but the comfort of GETTING shots off

1596
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,359
i think. Speaks for itself he can run, into long threes,

1597
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,279
fly off screens he caught on the move and then

1598
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:15,399
would navigate traffic. Inside the arc he attacked closeouts even

1599
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,720
on courch from some frum scratch jumpers as well after beginning.

1600
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,760
From dead stop so not like someone who needs that.

1601
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,520
Runway to start there's the open four playmaking and the

1602
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,119
opportunistic rebounding was the and THIS is what i wrote

1603
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,079
was it was kind, of the oh The meme with

1604
01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:32,239
SHACK where it's i owe. YOU an apology i didn't

1605
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,119
have nearly enough knowledge of your game or. WHATEVER it

1606
01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:35,800
says i was just like he had some of THESE

1607
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,840
rebounds and, i was like? What the fuck and then it, Made,

1608
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,760
you Remember oh like leam McNeely is not like some

1609
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,279
six foot two whatever dude He's listed at he's listed

1610
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:48,079
at six seven two or is? HE even taller i

1611
01:11:48,079 --> 01:11:49,960
can't remember what he was listened he was listed at. Six,

1612
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:52,159
seven too yeah so like he was six y seven

1613
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:53,359
and kind of know who had to use, it at

1614
01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:56,239
points and there's like a there's a. SHIFTINESS to him, i,

1615
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:59,199
don't know man the defense will be pretty bad if

1616
01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:01,199
you're playing him can pull in. The MELLOW together but

1617
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,520
i would watch the ever live in hell out. OF that,

1618
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,840
offense i mean do?

1619
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: You see him whose minutes is? He eating into like

1620
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,680
You're Not like brandon miller is gonna PLAY a Ton I.

1621
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: ASSUME josh green i don't need to see you. In

1622
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:17,359
the rotation you.

1623
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:19,039
Speaker 2: Don't like You Don't. LIKE josh green i mean like

1624
01:12:19,119 --> 01:12:22,039
he's not well big enough to Get In. About, JOSH

1625
01:12:22,119 --> 01:12:24,840
green well i just want to know how good of

1626
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,199
a passer On the move, leam McNeely is because that's going.

1627
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:29,800
To decide it Because We know josh green is in ninety. Nine,

1628
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:30,680
at that.

1629
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 1: Honestly It almost con sexton's. A better player but it's

1630
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,119
just If you're the hornets and you're geared, towards the

1631
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:39,520
future maybe this Doesn't happen until february turn, but, it's,

1632
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,239
okay like oh you're just. Playing A lot collin sexton

1633
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:44,119
was traded. Or something like that's the Route that the

1634
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:45,920
hornets seem like they. Should probably go.

1635
01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:48,520
Speaker 2: So this is, A bench guy i, mean for sure

1636
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,960
right like they're not. G leaguing him i.

1637
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: Would say bench For, him with nipple would?

1638
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 2: You start him, it's pretty. Crowded isn't it.

1639
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:58,239
Speaker 1: They have so, many, GUARDS now.

1640
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,119
Speaker 2: Yeah i Mean they brought. Man act too that's who's

1641
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:04,079
probably just, at the moment probably a Better. PLAYER than cannipple,

1642
01:13:04,119 --> 01:13:07,199
i don't know maybe that's maybe, that's not, fair but

1643
01:13:07,279 --> 01:13:10,039
yeah You're gonna Play LaMelo. A ton miller You still

1644
01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:14,039
got bridges. THAT'S gonna play i guess in between there THERE'S.

1645
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: Some room, i, don't, know like yeah how invested Are

1646
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,359
You And nick smith junior? At this days they Did,

1647
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:21,800
just SIGN yeah so, i would honestly you know what could?

1648
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,159
Open it up you'd have to just play small, as you,

1649
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:26,600
is Say hey like Liam McNeilly and kak nipple are

1650
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,840
gonna play a lot of small forward and We're Gonna

1651
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,399
xcize miles bridges, from the rotation play A Lot with

1652
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:34,079
brandon miller and. GO that, route, i think ooh we

1653
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:35,760
might have a Good. Comp for liam do You Think?

1654
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:40,520
ABOUT chris, mullen I mean the hornets. Won the draft if,

1655
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,600
That's the case Mullen is A hall. Of famer man look.

1656
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 2: AT these comps i love the optimism of the. Of

1657
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,359
these pods. This Is amazing sum.

1658
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:53,239
Speaker 1: What do you think about like a six Foot Seven

1659
01:13:53,279 --> 01:13:55,760
inch Steph? Curry for liam BUT you know i.

1660
01:13:56,039 --> 01:13:59,520
Speaker 2: Could see it we're just, talking, About, Ceilings, Right, UH

1661
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,840
okay well i, think we uh we've both been Big.

1662
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,159
FANS of well I thought the hornets they ended up

1663
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:06,439
having a.

1664
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:10,199
Speaker 1: Really good draft There's. We, like charlotte yeah THERE'S some questions,

1665
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:12,439
i think Overall but like Leam, MCNEILLLY and continent i

1666
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,119
think are guys, that are gonna Whether it's IN, charlotte

1667
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:16,359
or they'renna end UP sticking in nba rotations pretty.

1668
01:14:16,359 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 2: Clearly, to me, yeah all right we got a. Big

1669
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,199
one here This Is, the brooklyn nets who had roughly

1670
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,640
fourteen eleven dy trillion, first round picks and they made

1671
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,119
them all. In the draft first we got, TO start,

1672
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:30,439
with i mean one of the most interesting players. OF

1673
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,600
the class a little bit of a reach maybe according

1674
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,960
to some where they took them using their their very

1675
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:40,279
first of their eleven Dy Trillion, firsts yegor, demon good passer,

1676
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:45,000
interesting big guard maybe can or can't shoots the what's their?

1677
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:47,000
Rundown on him? After SUMMER league.

1678
01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: So i think you saw moments where, all the priors like.

1679
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:54,039
They lined up the passing. Can certainly pop the size is.

1680
01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:56,359
Definitely a WEAPON but what I thought, the nets did

1681
01:14:56,399 --> 01:14:58,600
and we Mentioned This, with CALINARY boyles what I thought

1682
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,840
the nets did well is in part this they had

1683
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,159
so many other prospects on their, summer league team but

1684
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:07,279
like they had him off the ball a ton and

1685
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,000
he made threes and so now all, of a sudden

1686
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,760
you're looking at someone who might be, more you know

1687
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,800
the comp For Him. WAS josh giddy i Saw comms

1688
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,359
To Luca, And josh giddy like you talk about like

1689
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:22,039
running the gamut. OF perspective comparisons i think he's gonna

1690
01:15:22,039 --> 01:15:24,880
be more functionally malleable Than Like, a josh. Giddy let's

1691
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,000
say and so what he needs to learn, to do

1692
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,439
is if you're gonna play off, the ball more can

1693
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,199
you touch the paint, off the catch which was something.

1694
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:34,960
He struggled with otherwise he needs to have the ball.

1695
01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:37,279
IN his hands i thought he held up like to

1696
01:15:37,399 --> 01:15:39,439
his size and what we were expecting. Fro him defensively

1697
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,680
actually thought. THAT was fine, I you know i liked him.

1698
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,039
BEFORE the draft i actually Came Away from SUMMER league

1699
01:15:45,079 --> 01:15:46,640
and i don't think he did as much as everyone

1700
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,640
would have liked to have seen about with the flashy,

1701
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,079
stuff and like oh look what he did. For, THEIR

1702
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:52,760
offense yeah i can wait more intrigued just because it's

1703
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,520
it was the, calmery boils thing, all of it, and

1704
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,800
it's like oh this guy can DO Or Even vj

1705
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,720
edgecomb whereas this guy's doing Something that wasn't bill necessarily.

1706
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,319
As his strength so color.

1707
01:16:02,399 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 2: Me, MORE intrigued okay i mean he's he's a, really

1708
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:09,079
interesting player and he's kind of in the yacouchionis, camp

1709
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:12,239
for me except the nets took him a lot higher than,

1710
01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:16,239
the heat did where it's like, there's pretty, legit like

1711
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,079
bust this guy, can't play potential but there's also like

1712
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:23,600
some really, interesting upside that like you just kind of

1713
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,239
have to gamble On, if you're brooklyn especially if you

1714
01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:29,479
have several more cracks at just getting someone else that's

1715
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,079
gonna play the same position in. That same class so

1716
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:35,840
let's go. To, Another ONE, uh nolan treiori what did you?

1717
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,760
Think of him more of A more of i guess

1718
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,079
a conventional point guard than demon just because. Of, the size.

1719
01:16:41,279 --> 01:16:44,079
Speaker 1: Yeah not nearly as good, AS a passer, I don't

1720
01:16:44,119 --> 01:16:50,199
think but, Holy. Fucking speed grant this IS just like

1721
01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:52,760
i guess he has to be the fastest on ball player.

1722
01:16:53,119 --> 01:16:57,520
In the draft like the drives are just insane with it, Doesn't, even,

1723
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,119
matter like yeah you give him a ball with like a.

1724
01:16:59,119 --> 01:17:01,680
Head of steam the defense, is in trouble but like

1725
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,880
he could just operate from a dead stop get by.

1726
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,399
Everybody the look the swing skills is gonna. Be the

1727
01:17:07,399 --> 01:17:09,640
shooting he's not a good, shooter right now and his

1728
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,640
finishing was all, Over the place but when you watched

1729
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,720
him get, to the basket the way he was able

1730
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,840
to get by guys or even just sort of, Burst

1731
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,359
through traffic he's gonna be. A good finisher, At THE

1732
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,399
ring like i Feel like that i'm pretty CONFIDENT in

1733
01:17:22,039 --> 01:17:23,520
and i think that he's going to create a. Lot

1734
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,239
of advantages i'm just out of those drives the Way

1735
01:17:26,279 --> 01:17:29,199
That again summer league caveat the way that defense has

1736
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:32,520
sort of reacted when he would get downhill in like

1737
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,239
insane and he's. Gonna be able he's at Least someone through.

1738
01:17:35,279 --> 01:17:37,119
He's another guy where who do we say? This about

1739
01:17:37,159 --> 01:17:39,439
already like the drives are going to be the vessels

1740
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,279
through which that he's creating, For everybody else and, you

1741
01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:44,159
know what. Like that's okay his passes didn't feel As

1742
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:47,520
Like with jeremiah fears when we're Talking, about the pelicans

1743
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,279
felt a LITTLE two last resorti, on his drives his.

1744
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,760
FELT more organic i didn't even throw him. Up on

1745
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,960
screen and apologies to The Apologies to nolan trey or,

1746
01:17:55,119 --> 01:17:57,720
above all, else but yeah you're demon getting some more.

1747
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,760
SCREEN time there i think that he like there's a chance,

1748
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,439
we look back or he might even. Just enter It

1749
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,720
Even if cam thomas is, on the team he might

1750
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,520
Just Be off rip brooklyn's best advantage creator on. The

1751
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:09,439
offensive end how?

1752
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:14,359
Speaker 2: INSANE is that i mean not very considering the the

1753
01:18:14,359 --> 01:18:16,640
the guards that THEY had, last, I mean yeah thomas

1754
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:18,960
is a different kind. OF advantage creator i guess like,

1755
01:18:19,359 --> 01:18:20,439
That he created.

1756
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:22,279
Speaker 1: Thomas isn't gonna get to the basket as much. Like

1757
01:18:22,319 --> 01:18:24,600
he doesn't he's not. Predicated on speed he's gonna be

1758
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,119
a little bit more surgical when AND he's also i

1759
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:29,520
don't think he's gonna be as good. AS a like

1760
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,279
i Think no one treora is gonna end up being

1761
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,199
if you don't want to say the quality of passes.

1762
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:34,960
ARE super complicated i think he will be a more

1763
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:35,880
willing playmaker for.

1764
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 2: The most part do you think from the Early reviews

1765
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:43,039
that triory might be someone that is just like more

1766
01:18:43,119 --> 01:18:47,399
ready to have a pretty ball Dominant role. Than Demon,

1767
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,880
DOES like demon, i don't Know he always My concern

1768
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,600
with demon is that he's gonna be like it turns

1769
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,159
out he's a connective passer just because of, his Other,

1770
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:59,159
limitations whereas trory the way, you're describing him seems like

1771
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:02,439
he's more, of a conventional break, the defense down make

1772
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:03,600
the pass to the open guy.

1773
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,359
Speaker 1: Type OF GUARD so i i see, what YOU'RE saying

1774
01:19:07,399 --> 01:19:08,800
AND i ACTUALLY i think i could agree. TO some

1775
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,920
extent i think the bigger problem IS is that i

1776
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,880
Don't Know if nolan treyori could scale down enough because

1777
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,720
of how shaky his own shooting, is gonna be and

1778
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,239
so The Fact that jegor demon can play. Off the,

1779
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:23,159
ball and look we talked ABOUT per that f five

1780
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:25,560
substack post three point attempts per thirty six minutes or

1781
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,600
the best translatable Like Measurement, Of Summer league yego demon

1782
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,359
attempted to eleven point one to threes per, thirty six

1783
01:19:31,399 --> 01:19:33,920
minutes and he shot forty three point five, Percent on

1784
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,680
them so accuracy doesn't. Translate as well but that was

1785
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,119
just like that wasn't even what was the biggest. Concern

1786
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:40,720
with him, it, was like oh shooting and does he

1787
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,840
need to have the ball? In his hands and it

1788
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,079
was apparently those were both just sort. Of LIKE undermined

1789
01:19:46,199 --> 01:19:50,720
So i, wouldn't, i'm probably man that's a good that's.

1790
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,640
A great QUESTION i think i, WOULD say that, I

1791
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,520
don't know it's not. Concerning for me i'd be more

1792
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,840
Concerned About can nolan treori find his NICHE in the

1793
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,760
nba more so Than Can yaeg or demon? Find his

1794
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,600
WHEELHOUSE just because I Think yeage or demon can do

1795
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,399
a lot a lot. Of, different THINGS.

1796
01:20:07,399 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah if i mean if he, can shoot it if you,

1797
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,720
can shoot it then you'll someone will find a. Place,

1798
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,600
for YOU yeah so i Could see why triory maybe

1799
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,880
not having that dimension at the moment is kind of

1800
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:18,000
a like what do we.

1801
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: Do with someone who gets to the? BASKET so much

1802
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,520
i think you would like to probably see him draw

1803
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,199
like a. Few MORE fouls like i think that's certainly

1804
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:26,960
something that will develop as a part, Of his game

1805
01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:29,680
but a lot of it was sort of self sabotage

1806
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,760
with just either some of the takeoff points or he

1807
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,239
missed like he missed a lot of good opportunities at.

1808
01:20:34,279 --> 01:20:37,000
The basket TOO so that's i guess that's both. ENCOURAGING

1809
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,239
and discouraging.

1810
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 2: I think too like, to you know maybe to paint

1811
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,720
his foul drawing issues as more of like a. A

1812
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:49,439
fixable thing guys that, are that fast that like early

1813
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:52,000
in their careers are just tend to be bad foul

1814
01:20:52,119 --> 01:20:54,760
drawers because like they've never had to slow down or

1815
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,079
like jump into somebody. Or use craft, IT'S just well

1816
01:20:57,119 --> 01:21:00,359
i JUST outran and i beat him. TO the backboard i,

1817
01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:03,079
always think back just this will shock You have. A

1818
01:21:03,079 --> 01:21:05,520
warriors comp i think Back To. Like Monte Ellis young

1819
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,640
monte ellis was just like he's the fastest guy on

1820
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,840
every floor he's ever been on for, his whole life THAT,

1821
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,119
included the nba and he couldn't draw fouls for shit

1822
01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:15,319
because he just never had, to learn how and he

1823
01:21:15,359 --> 01:21:17,920
would just try to go around. OR pass guys i

1824
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,720
can see That being something. Triori overcomes eventually but then

1825
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,399
related to, that is like is he gonna be guarded

1826
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,239
honestly because you could just give him A huge cushion

1827
01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:29,479
if he's not gonna threaten you, with, A shot maybe.

1828
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:30,880
I don't know there's a lot to kind of deal.

1829
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,359
Speaker 1: With for him so His comps were i'm LOOKING now

1830
01:21:34,359 --> 01:21:36,760
because i wasn't familiar WITH what his nba comps were

1831
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,600
coming out. Of the Draft There, was TONY parker which

1832
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:44,039
i think is, a Terrible Comparison and scoot. Henderson Not

1833
01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:47,000
terrible De jent de Murray was De. Jean dea murray

1834
01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:49,079
he never had like blow by blow like he did

1835
01:21:49,159 --> 01:21:51,359
some crazy stuff in transition, during his prime but He,

1836
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:52,359
was never yeah, he.

1837
01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:54,159
Speaker 2: Was fast BUT not like i don't know if i'd

1838
01:21:54,199 --> 01:21:57,960
call that. His defining skill he needs to shoot.

1839
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: The ball better but wasn't there a question about this

1840
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,800
player when. HE came In I think tyre's maxie maybe

1841
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:02,680
might be a good comp.

1842
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 2: Oh, for, SURE yeah yeah. I don't think I don't

1843
01:22:05,039 --> 01:22:09,479
think maxi's shot was like necessarily a given until it

1844
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,119
definitely was a couple.

1845
01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: Of, YEARS in no i don't think He's what ad

1846
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,800
treyori SHOOT In the gi excuse me saying he? Was all,

1847
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,560
right so yeah he was at fourteen point three percent

1848
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,199
on two point three in, Test PER game so i

1849
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:21,960
Don't know if maxi's jumper was ever in that much

1850
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,760
of don't. We, Don't Care granted summer league we Only

1851
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,479
care about we only care about the eye Test and he.

1852
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 2: We only care about the eye test and attempts. For

1853
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,760
thirty six those are the only two things.

1854
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 1: We care about now you're going to build Your Team,

1855
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,279
AROUND cam thomas i think you have To say yaeg

1856
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:37,439
or demon is MORE valuable because, I, Like you Nolan

1857
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,840
Treyori and cam thomas working to get like a lot of.

1858
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,199
ADVANTAGE creation there i guess you could say there's tons

1859
01:22:42,199 --> 01:22:44,760
of on ball decision making when it. Comes, to scoring.

1860
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,199
Speaker 2: Yeah with, GLASS half full a couple more nets. We're

1861
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:52,239
Not done, uh ben saraff what? DO we think i.

1862
01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:56,359
Speaker 1: Have, No THOUGHTS no so i thought he was sort

1863
01:22:56,359 --> 01:22:59,319
of the quintessential example of how the eye test doesn't

1864
01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:02,039
always a lie. With the results he had sub, forty

1865
01:23:02,079 --> 01:23:05,720
true shooting which is like we're, watching it. Home spoiler alert,

1866
01:23:06,039 --> 01:23:09,840
that's not great so keep. That in mind but it

1867
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,399
feels like he's just going to be filling a ton.

1868
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,920
Of different holes there was like a fluidity to the

1869
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,760
way that he moved off and, on the ball and

1870
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,840
like the off ball shooting was really FOR someone who

1871
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:23,760
i think, when you look. He's six' eight for someone,

1872
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,479
who is six eight you don't necessarily think that they're

1873
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:27,760
gonna be able to move as. Well as he did

1874
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,640
like it feels like because they have more whims and,

1875
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,479
body to think about they might move a little bit

1876
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,239
slower or. Just not as smoothly that wasn't. An issue

1877
01:23:35,279 --> 01:23:39,840
for him he has this. Enviable on ball balance if

1878
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,439
you are going to, ask him to create to create and,

1879
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,720
he can change directions there's like a guile that will

1880
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,840
help him create advantages because he's. Not gonna blow butt

1881
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,920
like He's The opposite of trey. ORE in that context

1882
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,960
i just don't know how well those advantages are gonna

1883
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:59,319
come when his separation versus defenders is RELIANT almost entirely

1884
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,199
on i, need to outmaneuver them and so that could

1885
01:24:02,279 --> 01:24:04,439
burn valuable time. Off the shot clock it could be

1886
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,600
like if defense, is coming into help like that could lend.

1887
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:10,079
Itself to more turnovers but he passed the offensive, eye

1888
01:24:10,079 --> 01:24:12,159
tests for me and for someone with that type of skilled,

1889
01:24:12,199 --> 01:24:14,720
dynamic at six'. Eight it's sort of Okay it feels

1890
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,479
like the nets drafted players that have a lot of

1891
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,199
redundancies to where you want to see a lot. Of

1892
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:20,319
them on the ball that's kind of, What, they needed

1893
01:24:20,319 --> 01:24:24,119
the most. Like GO take those swings but i came

1894
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:26,920
away just the eye test with him certainly popped more.

1895
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 2: Than the, numbers, ever did all, right Lastly for this exercise,

1896
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:36,600
the Nets Have OTHER, guys BUT danny wolf i so

1897
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,319
i had a hard time, getting a sense, of, him

1898
01:24:39,319 --> 01:24:41,399
didn't you know newsflash we don't. Watch A ton of

1899
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,000
college but, I, was Under the impression oh the nets

1900
01:24:44,039 --> 01:24:46,079
drafted a, bunch, Of Guards and like. Wait danny wolf's,

1901
01:24:46,079 --> 01:24:47,880
house tall oh but wait he kind of is still

1902
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,359
an on ball like playmaker type so they stuck to.

1903
01:24:50,399 --> 01:24:51,840
Their guns, a LITTLE bit fair.

1904
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,359
Speaker 1: Fair but I came away thinking That I don't know

1905
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,760
where danny wolf is SUPPOSED. To fit in the nba

1906
01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:02,159
and so like He Did finish stronger in summer league

1907
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:04,880
than when he started his final game, eighteen point six

1908
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:06,840
to twelve shooting, to a four from three got to,

1909
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,560
the foul line eight times, only shot fifty percent, There

1910
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,840
had four assists too so he can clearly. Do stuff

1911
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:17,359
ON the ball but Like i running point for michigan

1912
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,319
is very interesting because he was six to eleven and.

1913
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:21,800
THAT'S what he was doing i don't think that use

1914
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,520
is just gonna even come close to. Holding up in

1915
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,479
the pros like his. Handle is to loosey goosey it's

1916
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,319
gonna result, in a ton of turnovers not. Even talking

1917
01:25:28,319 --> 01:25:30,319
about the passes it's like just him getting THE ball

1918
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,319
like from point a. TO point beyond the floor i

1919
01:25:33,359 --> 01:25:35,560
think that that's going to be a misadventure. A lot

1920
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,600
of the time he has, like some mid post division

1921
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,319
so operating from a standstill with guys cutting around. Him

1922
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,399
that that is interesting but he's NOT physically strong enough

1923
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:47,439
to i think warrant. That kind of role either uh

1924
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,760
and then the summer league of. Summer league is summer

1925
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,920
league like the poor free throw shooting here was he

1926
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,279
ended up shooting. Sixty six point seven percent he was four,

1927
01:25:54,279 --> 01:25:56,239
to four and one game zero three throws the other game.

1928
01:25:56,279 --> 01:25:58,239
And then four of eight just kind of another. Thing

1929
01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:01,600
that's a little bizarre he's NOT a big but he's

1930
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,640
i certainly do not think that he can. Be like

1931
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,119
a playmaking, wing and if it is it's in a. Very.

1932
01:26:06,319 --> 01:26:08,479
Just like limited, context.

1933
01:26:08,399 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah and then? Defensively who is he guarding like? Based, on,

1934
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,199
what you saw what like what's the?

1935
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:13,520
Speaker 1: Is?

1936
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 2: You putting him on big so you can't you can't

1937
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,159
seriously put him on like if, he's a quote unquote

1938
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:20,600
guard you're not. HAVING him check. Other, GUARDS i wouldn't.

1939
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: Imagine NO i don't know i'm i don't know if.

1940
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:24,840
He could check other wings this might be, a situation

1941
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:26,720
where it's like can you gotta find this maybe the

1942
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,600
slowest footed perimeter player and. Like stick him on there

1943
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:31,840
but maybe he should, look he has the size so

1944
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,079
maybe they do develop some more, of his like big

1945
01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:35,640
man and like maybe one of the, things you could

1946
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,000
do is let's say You're Playing, him, next to nick

1947
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:42,119
claxton like have him just be ultra aggressive like on

1948
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:44,079
whoever you, want to throw him on, blitz picking rolls

1949
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:45,840
Or Whatever and just have nick claxton sort, of clean.

1950
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,840
Up FOR you like, downstairs, but I don't Know like

1951
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:51,359
am i. JUST i'm just spitballing here i? Don't, know,

1952
01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:53,439
WHAT he is yeah yeah i just don't think he

1953
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,840
CAN be like a like. A two or a three

1954
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,760
and he's certainly like he shouldn't be defending at the,

1955
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,079
Point of attack really.

1956
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Ever so for, ALL four of these guys i guess,

1957
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,039
we could just you know. TREAT them, as a group

1958
01:27:07,119 --> 01:27:09,760
i mean it sounds to me Like you're Saying like

1959
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,039
maybe Demon, and Pop probably not trory but, demon maybe

1960
01:27:13,119 --> 01:27:16,119
is a start and then at least everybody else is

1961
01:27:16,119 --> 01:27:19,319
a is. A, Bench Consideration at MINIMUM right.

1962
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 1: Danny wolf's, a G leaguer for me because i think, You,

1963
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,039
need to find like okay well? What IS his WHEELHOUSE

1964
01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:25,840
here and i just I Didn't come away from summer

1965
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,560
league and his he, Didn't play play three games SO

1966
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,039
it's like what am i? Supposed TO come away with

1967
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,279
but i didn't come away, With a feel for right like?

1968
01:27:33,359 --> 01:27:35,800
That's where this guy fits, and it's just it's weird

1969
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,560
like he could be really, competitive on the glass, too

1970
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,880
and because he's big like he was able to snag

1971
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,439
some steels in His. Second game, against the WIZARDS but

1972
01:27:44,279 --> 01:27:47,840
yeah he's. A G leaguer for me nolan, trayor is

1973
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:49,520
just a bet like he's just he might if he's

1974
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,119
gonna might be your best. Advantage creator from day one

1975
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,159
it doesn't seem like, There's room to start him like

1976
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:57,359
maybe they feel Better about Him, starting THAN yae or

1977
01:27:57,399 --> 01:27:59,840
Demon but i would Pick, i'll say Start For. Demon

1978
01:28:00,319 --> 01:28:03,840
bench for trey ora saraph Was interesting enough to. Where

1979
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,560
i'd say bench too but he's another guy where if

1980
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,800
you want to have him. EXPLORE his on ball space

1981
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,760
i know the nets are in fut, All on experimental Mode,

1982
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,960
anyway but You, Have traorra you have Demon You're. Probably

1983
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,239
gonna have cam Thomas You Want to give michael porter junior,

1984
01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:18,880
room to Explore Pathways there and that drake, powell's on

1985
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,680
this team Too. Didn't play in something leave, it's another

1986
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,439
rookie they have like they kept all five, Of THEIR

1987
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,359
first round picks so i think that he PROBABLY Needs

1988
01:28:25,399 --> 01:28:28,239
to be a g league or Two like a co

1989
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:29,960
op can he like have A Split time between the

1990
01:28:30,039 --> 01:28:32,720
g league and the bench? Before more than anybody else.

1991
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 2: Would you feel Differently about wolf if the nets hadn't

1992
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,960
kept all those picks and used so many on guys

1993
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:39,920
that probably need to have? The ball quite a bit

1994
01:28:40,279 --> 01:28:42,279
or is it just like just the package is what it.

1995
01:28:42,359 --> 01:28:44,840
Is independent OF team, Context HE'S a g leaguer so.

1996
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying if, they only Took let's

1997
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,319
Say One of demon or trey orra and, then had

1998
01:28:50,399 --> 01:28:52,079
like nobody, else, and you're just like. Oh it's just

1999
01:28:52,119 --> 01:28:54,399
super intriguing it's a six eleven guy who's supposed to be. Able,

2000
01:28:54,399 --> 01:28:57,000
to handle the ball sure but it's like if you're

2001
01:28:57,079 --> 01:28:59,039
six eleven and you're supposed to run or be able

2002
01:28:59,039 --> 01:29:00,479
to handle the ball like You Need to have and

2003
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,720
kevin durantz never. Had like the best HANDLE but there's

2004
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,600
not like i felt like there was needs to be

2005
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,600
too Much Forethought behind everything. THAT danny, wolf is doing

2006
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,279
i like did you, have from what little like do

2007
01:29:10,359 --> 01:29:13,119
you have any idea what position you think that? He

2008
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:15,399
should end up Be even based, off how i'm describing

2009
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,359
him it seems like he's. Going, to be a four.

2010
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah and it's, just like not one that not one

2011
01:29:21,039 --> 01:29:25,039
whose best skills are all, that helpful at that position

2012
01:29:25,359 --> 01:29:28,119
especially if you have other primary, Ball handlers on the

2013
01:29:28,119 --> 01:29:30,199
floor like HE just, You know what, I mean, LIKE and,

2014
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,600
DEFENSIVELY i think i mean i just don't know. WHAT

2015
01:29:33,039 --> 01:29:36,239
to do with him I was asking the context g,

2016
01:29:36,359 --> 01:29:38,880
league question because to me it kind OF Just seems

2017
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,520
like he's g, league like no matter what especially if

2018
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:43,680
maybe just because the nets are bad, and trying to

2019
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,760
be bad that's a case for. Having him play real minutes,

2020
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,399
BUT on a normal team i just don't know what

2021
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:53,600
he's giving you that is that one someone. Else couldn't,

2022
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,720
with fewer drawbacks you know it seems like the trade

2023
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,039
off with him is going. To, BE pretty, consistently, negative.

2024
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: Yeah i mean look he turned the ball over on

2025
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:02,560
like twenty, seven percent.

2026
01:30:02,319 --> 01:30:04,239
Speaker 2: Of his rights and if that's what you're you're out

2027
01:30:04,279 --> 01:30:06,560
there to HANDLE the ball, like like i don't know.

2028
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 1: But it's sort, of a change of pace like if

2029
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,760
you wanted to throw him at the, five just as

2030
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:14,159
a hey he will grab rebounds and he can stretch

2031
01:30:14,199 --> 01:30:16,279
the floor like it, wasn't in super high volume but

2032
01:30:16,279 --> 01:30:19,159
he shot basically forty percent from three, and like, he

2033
01:30:19,239 --> 01:30:22,680
had like, you know some defensive moment like you could.

2034
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,520
Just TRY it that way so i think that actually

2035
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,399
is just if you could figure out a way to

2036
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,760
have him be, LIKE a stand. STILL maybe i don't

2037
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,439
know i think if he wants to be someone who

2038
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,479
stands out like in this league at someone, it's he

2039
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,159
plays the five is how, we're gonna look at it

2040
01:30:38,199 --> 01:30:39,800
and he figured. Out, something more, on.

2041
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,279
Speaker 2: Defense yeah all right a, Couple more to Go Here

2042
01:30:43,359 --> 01:30:48,199
We're Onto. The, boston celtics hugo, gonzalez Uh just for refresher,

2043
01:30:48,279 --> 01:30:51,880
the celtics might be terrible one of the worst. Front

2044
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:53,920
courts in the league who knows how many Miles They're

2045
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:57,039
gonna Put On. Jalen Brown and derek white peyton pritchard

2046
01:30:57,079 --> 01:30:59,520
is probably gonna average thirty a game and. Lead the

2047
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:03,239
league IN threes but is does i guess maybe The

2048
01:31:03,319 --> 01:31:07,720
question is does the celtics, significantly diminished talent and depth

2049
01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:10,159
maybe not depth, Because they Got. You know niang and

2050
01:31:10,199 --> 01:31:14,479
simons does That create a pathway? For gonzalez to, play,

2051
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,840
more and if so like what what's he gonna?

2052
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: Do?

2053
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: That, will justify minutes what like what. ARE the carrying

2054
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:20,800
skills here i.

2055
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: Think he should just say i'm willing to play center

2056
01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:26,800
because that rotation is so bleak. That they Could try anyone.

2057
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 2: You think simons should try that just. TO get on,

2058
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:29,920
THE floor i mean.

2059
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: So i think they put the ball in His Hands.

2060
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,800
A lot during summer league and so when you kind

2061
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,840
of Look At this, Team With jason, tatum out Drew Holliday,

2062
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,000
gone you Have Jalen brown You Have, derek white and

2063
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,279
peyton pritchards there are guys that can. Do THINGS on

2064
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:46,520
the BALL but i was in i, guess IMPRESSED isn't

2065
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:48,239
the word but i was surprised at how like this

2066
01:31:48,399 --> 01:31:51,119
wasn't someone who, because he was So Young, he's playing

2067
01:31:51,159 --> 01:31:54,680
with real madrid he didn't spend like that. Many reps

2068
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,560
on the ball so the turnovers. From him weren't a surprise.

2069
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:00,560
THEY'RE minimally concerning for him i thought he was, willing

2070
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,680
to move the ball not just when, they put him

2071
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,279
on it like, if he's gonna catch it like he

2072
01:32:04,319 --> 01:32:07,159
will make a quicker. Decision mostly to move it but

2073
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:10,119
there is like sort of a hint. Of initiation there

2074
01:32:10,399 --> 01:32:12,159
for others so maybe that's how you get onto the

2075
01:32:12,199 --> 01:32:14,560
floor because if you don't think like you have Definitely

2076
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,479
Because you don't trust jalen brown to do that. Right

2077
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:20,000
on a Regular Basis, so you Have Peyton. Pritchard You

2078
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,079
have derek white anthony, simon's more of a secondary. SO

2079
01:32:23,079 --> 01:32:26,159
maybe that's his pathway i also think, that when he's in,

2080
01:32:26,199 --> 01:32:28,560
transition he seems very aware whether he's, on or off

2081
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,920
the ball if it comes to the spatial awareness of

2082
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,880
getting out to the corners or, if he's on the

2083
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,399
ball his head is just. Up from the get go he.

2084
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,640
WENT after rebounds pretty. HARD i did describe him i,

2085
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,880
do try to avoid cliches especially when, you're talking about

2086
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,880
young players. But this one felt appropriate, he is very

2087
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,239
high motor and so it's that that way, He, comes

2088
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:49,239
in with that yeah the high motor guy comes in and.

2089
01:32:49,239 --> 01:32:51,560
GETS playing time that way i thought it was just an,

2090
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,239
overall solid performance from him like if, you WERE to

2091
01:32:54,279 --> 01:32:57,600
grate it like, i think he met expectations but like

2092
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:01,399
at some point more. Need to go in right he

2093
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:04,439
shot thirty point FOUR percent from three was i think,

2094
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:06,720
he was under forty percent well under forty percent from

2095
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,800
two or. At least Close to it free throws, grant

2096
01:33:10,079 --> 01:33:13,239
fit under sixty percent so like you're. Not gonna see

2097
01:33:13,279 --> 01:33:16,079
the floor he, doesn't stand out enough defensively certainly to.

2098
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:18,920
Me or as a playmaker that if he's not hitting

2099
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:20,920
shots and he missed like an array of wide open

2100
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:25,000
floaters bunnies at, the basket and makeuple, threes time's on

2101
01:33:25,039 --> 01:33:26,479
his side like it is with. A lot of these

2102
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,600
guys but if he's, not hitting shots, wide open HIGH quality,

2103
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,760
LOOKS there's just I mean i know the celtics, are

2104
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,600
trying to be bad or are they. Even trying to

2105
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,600
be bad they're. Just TRYING to be. Cheap so i

2106
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,039
don't think i'm. Not saying they're cheaping out they're just

2107
01:33:38,079 --> 01:33:39,439
trying to not. PAY a lot Of Money i think,

2108
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,239
that george nyang Or Look if they Move George nyang

2109
01:33:42,279 --> 01:33:44,319
and or sam, howser to cut more money he might

2110
01:33:44,319 --> 01:33:45,960
as well. Just volunteer To play. Center that's all i'm

2111
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:46,600
saying that's how.

2112
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 2: YOU get, on, the floor i mean yeah However good,

2113
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,000
or bad the celtics are, they're gonna shoot fifty threes

2114
01:33:51,239 --> 01:33:53,319
so you're gonna need to be able to. MAKE a

2115
01:33:53,319 --> 01:33:55,960
couple of those i, think to, crack that lineup all

2116
01:33:56,039 --> 01:33:58,600
RIGHT so that he's A g leaguer as what i'm

2117
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,000
gleaning from your Assessment.

2118
01:34:00,199 --> 01:34:02,159
Speaker 1: For, the season the celtics yeah he's a jellier and

2119
01:34:02,199 --> 01:34:03,560
if you want, the ball in his hands he PROBABLY

2120
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:04,920
needs to be. A g league or two But for the,

2121
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,359
SEASON the, celtics might have i.

2122
01:34:06,399 --> 01:34:09,199
Speaker 2: Mean, could be some opportunities.

2123
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Again how many times you gotta? Say it started? At

2124
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,520
center Don't Do right but the.

2125
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,399
Speaker 2: Atlanta hawks are our last team here one player asa.

2126
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:20,960
Newle uh kind of buzzy there was a little bit

2127
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,760
of a little Bit of excitement, that the hawks, did

2128
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:26,960
it like you know just. Continued the off season? Roll,

2129
01:34:27,279 --> 01:34:28,600
WAS that your impression.

2130
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,159
Speaker 1: Yeah i, Love this pick for them and the fact

2131
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:34,680
that He came with an unprotected pelicans pick is not

2132
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,720
EVEN part of, how much i love it although that

2133
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:37,079
makes it a.

2134
01:34:37,119 --> 01:34:39,239
Speaker 2: Little bit better that happened did? THEY trade. AN unprotected

2135
01:34:39,279 --> 01:34:41,560
pick i, forgot I haven't discussed. That, or i can't?

2136
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:42,760
Forgot yeah?

2137
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,239
Speaker 1: There, DID they it was yeah i think they did.

2138
01:34:45,279 --> 01:34:46,000
Give that to move up?

2139
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 2: How many spots was it it must, have, been like

2140
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,279
thirty spots right it must have moved all the. Way,

2141
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:54,000
Up to number one right so the.

2142
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: Op ball offense for him, it's not especially art artful

2143
01:34:57,359 --> 01:34:59,359
but he has really good spatial awareness when, he's away

2144
01:34:59,359 --> 01:35:02,000
from the ball and he's not gonna need to create

2145
01:35:02,039 --> 01:35:03,880
for himself On A team That Has, jellen Johnson and

2146
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:07,600
Trey young evenekil. Ox AARONER walker being there so i

2147
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,119
like that fit as just. LIKE that complimentary offensive player

2148
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:15,279
i don't, know, where he should play though like should.

2149
01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:18,439
It be alongside another big he doesn't have, the handle

2150
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:21,600
for a. Wing at least not, yet not especially strong

2151
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,079
though or imposing, enough on, defense to say oh. No

2152
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:27,119
he's definitely a five the outside shooting seems like it's

2153
01:35:27,119 --> 01:35:29,119
gonna be a swing skill if If what he did

2154
01:35:29,119 --> 01:35:31,760
in vegas is any indication he's. On the right track

2155
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:35,560
there he capably, stretched defenses from the corners and the

2156
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:38,159
quality of his looks should only improve now when he's

2157
01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:40,720
gonna again gonna be catching passes from like who's one

2158
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,159
of the best three point generators and looks at the,

2159
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:45,800
rim Generators In. The league, It's trey young right now

2160
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:49,319
he's coming across to Me As a better defending, john

2161
01:35:49,399 --> 01:35:53,279
collins and better Shooting Less fluid. On ball marvin bagley

2162
01:35:53,399 --> 01:35:56,239
hybrid does that SOUND like a compliment because i. MEANT

2163
01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:56,520
it to be.

2164
01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:01,039
Speaker 2: ONE i think IT is i also mean i also When,

2165
01:36:01,039 --> 01:36:02,800
YOU started to say marvin I Thought, you, were, GOING

2166
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,319
marvin WILLIAMS like Oh I liked i liked Marvin williams

2167
01:36:05,359 --> 01:36:09,960
a lot because atlanta is just a, couple of number,

2168
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:13,800
Two picks By. The, way williams and bagley okay so.

2169
01:36:14,119 --> 01:36:16,720
He is a bench guy it seems LIKE Right like you're,

2170
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:17,319
not g? League? In?

2171
01:36:17,399 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 1: HIM are you no not i mean he could SPEND Some,

2172
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,439
Time IN the g league but i think When you're

2173
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,199
looking at the hawks and what they're, trying To do

2174
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:24,520
this season christophs porzingis.

2175
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 2: Is.

2176
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: Going to miss time now if you don't think that

2177
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,119
he can, spend any time at center that's kind, OF

2178
01:36:29,119 --> 01:36:31,840
Immaterial Because it's okay i Christops Porzingis is out on

2179
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,399
yekka kungu is going. To need to play more uh

2180
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,520
so there'll be room like. For HIM in the rotation,

2181
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,760
but I think you could like i Don't know if

2182
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:41,720
him and. CHRISTOPH should, play it again i mean, they

2183
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,439
both stretched the. Floor SO maybe they can but i

2184
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,159
think you can Absolutely Play him With On yaka kungou

2185
01:36:46,199 --> 01:36:48,920
or jalen JOHNSON in large part because i don't think

2186
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,119
he needs to be the primary screener to, be on

2187
01:36:52,199 --> 01:36:56,079
The Basketball court like whereas john, collins until like not

2188
01:36:56,199 --> 01:36:58,359
recently But there were moments in atlanta was where they

2189
01:36:58,399 --> 01:37:00,880
really displaced him for, being the primary screen center remember

2190
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:02,880
when that. WAS his Bread And butter i think asan

2191
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,600
newell's coming in like that's not. The EXPECTATION for HIM

2192
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,720
anyway so i just i don't know where he needs

2193
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:10,119
to play in the front court, a MAJORITY of the

2194
01:37:10,119 --> 01:37:11,560
time but i think that you could run a bunch

2195
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,199
of different front court. Looks With, Him for sure.

2196
01:37:14,319 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 2: All right, i'm, gonna spring an unprompted unfair three part

2197
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:24,000
question on you by as a way to sort of. Summarize,

2198
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:28,039
what we've discussed Here So who among the eastern conference

2199
01:37:28,079 --> 01:37:32,840
summer leaguers we've covered today are you MOST confident is

2200
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:35,720
gonna be i don't, won't say a positive player, but

2201
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:40,000
like rookies typically aren't but like your most confident. Can

2202
01:37:40,079 --> 01:37:43,640
be a positive player who? Are you most worried about

2203
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,439
and then who's like the biggest mystery box that maybe

2204
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:49,000
has like a swing, skill that's like oh shit like like?

2205
01:37:49,039 --> 01:37:50,039
The biggest range of.

2206
01:37:50,079 --> 01:37:53,560
Speaker 1: OUTCOMES so the biggest, ring i mean it's tough so

2207
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,600
so many of these were just Like lower flyer ones

2208
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,600
where phil we didn't have. As MANY high Leverage Guys

2209
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,960
so i think casperus jokajutis, is gonna be the biggest

2210
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,720
like the swing guy. With A ton of arians so

2211
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:05,600
i think that would. Be my pick for that? What

2212
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,000
was the other categories who's gonna? Be just a positive player?

2213
01:38:08,199 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 2: Who do you feel like basically it's like who? Do

2214
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,760
you feel best about and who? Do you feel worst about?

2215
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:13,840
Based on WHAT you saw who?

2216
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,199
Speaker 1: Do i FEEL best? ABOUT man do i do? I

2217
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:19,199
want to Make It. I'm gonna Say, Trey Johnson It's,

2218
01:38:19,239 --> 01:38:22,800
between hammer colin murray BOYLES and then who? Do I

2219
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,119
feel worse about and i don't want to PICK like

2220
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:26,600
one of the i could pick like one of the lower,

2221
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:27,960
end guys, AND be like you know i don't really

2222
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:35,560
feel too bad feel Too good about uh.

2223
01:38:33,319 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 2: Dio arr as an example maybe maybe like most concerned

2224
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,880
about because like we Raised, some concerns, WITH like canipple

2225
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,520
for example i don't know if he would factor into that,

2226
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:47,359
conversation into That For, you but like edgecombe Richardson seems

2227
01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:50,399
like you, liked richardson quite A bit and then most.

2228
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:56,520
Speaker 1: Richardson's the easy, answer because, Of, The, SIZE is. IT

2229
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,680
like no i don't i don't think it's. One of

2230
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:00,520
the nets Guys i'll. Just. Go with noah's saying gay

2231
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:02,039
it feels like there's just gonna be a lot, of

2232
01:39:02,039 --> 01:39:04,560
peaks and valleys there which maybe. That's typical for a

2233
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,159
rookie but if he just doesn't flesh out or have

2234
01:39:07,279 --> 01:39:10,439
more of those games like he did where he dropped

2235
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:12,840
in twenty one points of SEVEN or fourteen shooting like

2236
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,239
i if he doesn't, HAVE more of those flickers, i,

2237
01:39:15,279 --> 01:39:17,239
just sort of wonder okay like what Is the utility

2238
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:19,359
gonna because i'm trying to think of? Like who's actually

2239
01:39:19,399 --> 01:39:21,359
gonna play because we could, sit, Here and say like

2240
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:23,840
yeah i'm but A Little, bit WORRIED about cam, jones, but, i, just.

2241
01:39:24,039 --> 01:39:27,119
Speaker 2: Like right yeah yeah yeah don't you.

2242
01:39:27,039 --> 01:39:29,079
Speaker 1: Know anybody in mind. FOR any, Of these Categories.

2243
01:39:29,279 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 2: I mean i'm the EAST that's, kind of why i

2244
01:39:32,039 --> 01:39:35,279
Asked is like other than johnson kind of, Offering Like,

2245
01:39:35,359 --> 01:39:39,159
PROOF of concept, TREY johnson i should say i DON'T

2246
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:41,199
know that there's any I Was really DISAPPOINTED in ku

2247
01:39:41,319 --> 01:39:43,800
chionas because i really. LIKED him in the draft i

2248
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,880
thought it was a, HUGE value, and then like i mean.

2249
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,199
Disappointed is maybe too strong the start was so bad

2250
01:39:49,239 --> 01:39:51,079
that it kind, of, made me think like oh that's.

2251
01:39:51,159 --> 01:39:54,960
The reason, THAT he fell But, yeah i other THAN

2252
01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:59,279
johnson there's nobody that. I am, one hundred, percent i

2253
01:39:59,279 --> 01:40:02,079
mean you know Trying to think. Who Else I'd, even

2254
01:40:02,079 --> 01:40:08,279
nominate maybe murray boyles just just because it does seem

2255
01:40:08,359 --> 01:40:10,479
like the stuff that he was built as being. Great

2256
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:12,720
at is gonna work, and then. You can yeah that's

2257
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:15,399
okay we at least we. Got that stuff checked off

2258
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:19,600
we can worry about. The shooting down the road chandler.

2259
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:22,239
SAYS pawn should be positive. I mean maybe on, offense.

2260
01:40:22,279 --> 01:40:23,359
I think he will right.

2261
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:24,520
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing it, is just like the

2262
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,039
shooters if you, really believe in the shooting it's just what.

2263
01:40:27,159 --> 01:40:30,600
We could just NAME, them when you mentioned cmb. He

2264
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,560
should be a dude But the context offensively of toronto

2265
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,640
makes me. JUST a little bit worried i was encouraged

2266
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:37,359
again what, we saw in summer league how he could,

2267
01:40:37,399 --> 01:40:39,439
Play away from the ball but IT'S just sort of

2268
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:43,239
LIKE i could see that i could see his rookie

2269
01:40:43,319 --> 01:40:46,000
season not reflecting like the level of player he's, gonna

2270
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,520
become in any way shape or form where people exit

2271
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,039
it feeling, super, concerned and it's just yeah maybe this

2272
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:53,359
isn't the right. BUILD around, him right.

2273
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:56,039
Speaker 2: Now i mean he's a he's, a different kind, of

2274
01:40:56,079 --> 01:40:58,960
player like it is, like context is gonna MATTER and so,

2275
01:40:59,039 --> 01:41:01,920
we'll just I don't know maybe the raptors consolidate OR

2276
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:03,520
trade one of the i don't know how you, consolidate

2277
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:06,199
some of those Contracts but maybe they trade barrett and.

2278
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:09,199
THAT somehow opens. UP opportunities i don't know i.

2279
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:12,079
Speaker 1: Do think maybe the sneakiest one that we talked about

2280
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:13,760
in terms of did they get the most bang for

2281
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,199
their buck, OR where they were drafted i Think It's

2282
01:41:16,199 --> 01:41:19,159
gonna Be between will riley, or LIAM McNeely for me

2283
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,359
and I almost WANT to lean riley because i feel

2284
01:41:21,359 --> 01:41:22,960
like when you look at how many guards, strow and

2285
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,840
By the way we kJ simpson won our black Hole

2286
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:29,119
One of. Our black hole award spots he like showed

2287
01:41:29,119 --> 01:41:30,680
some chops As, a pastor and sudth league, not a

2288
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:32,680
rookie of course but. Just throwing it out there they,

2289
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,800
just have so, many, guards and it's like okay if you,

2290
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:37,319
view him as a wing if you're gonna, play HIM

2291
01:41:37,319 --> 01:41:39,159
on the Wing then. I WOULD pick liam McNeely But

2292
01:41:39,159 --> 01:41:42,840
I just feel like, will riley might be guaranteed maybe

2293
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:44,840
not even, just a little bit more but. Like measurably

2294
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:46,279
more playing times i'm. Just, GONNA go with.

2295
01:41:46,359 --> 01:41:48,600
Speaker 2: Him okay i Like, that, we love the wizards? Apparently

2296
01:41:49,359 --> 01:41:53,000
what else is new thanks everybody for if you're in the, room,

2297
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,720
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01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:57,840
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Speaker 1: By grant's, leaving for, a, little, WHILE he's. Oh yeah.

2305
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:19,520
Speaker 2: No, I didn't nobody cares uh i'm going on Vacation So. You,

2306
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:23,560
won't have thanks, CHANDLER uh we got look, I mean

2307
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,279
you know what i'm gonna post all the positives here

2308
01:42:25,319 --> 01:42:28,039
since we're. Interrupting, my super prepared outro.

2309
01:42:29,239 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 1: Yes we, have these episodes are like we don't want,

2310
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:33,239
to help be, GOING done but you know i think you.

2311
01:42:33,239 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 2: Guys are gonna MAKE it, And also the nba? News

2312
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:38,479
oh did?

2313
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 1: We lose we have lost We might have lost you

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grant in the middle of your try your actually one?

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More TIME we LOST you for. I was i was.

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Meandering we're gonna miss, You everyone post right now well,

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the stream will be over but you talk about how Much,

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You're gonna, MISS miss GRANT and honestly I think i

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might just i'm not even gonna shudder. The podcast while

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he's gone this Is The Last. Show of hardwood knocks

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out I'm just so proud that I'm not gonna talk

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to grant for like.

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Speaker 2: A week and a half if you, really were gonna

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miss me promise to sit quietly in a dark Room

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for the whole time. I'm gone and just? Ruminate can?

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You do that? Is that?

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Speaker 1: I'll do that what is do? Everybody else do that

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too i'm gonna say you you know. How People make,

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the jinks oh i'm leaving. So this is gonna happen

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would you prefer something just fucking ridiculous? To happen while

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you're gone or do you like to be around when

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That type of, stuff like lebron gets traded. THAT type

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Of a level i.

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Speaker 2: Hope i'm gone. For that i'll Be honest i'm not.

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Gonna I'M not gonna pretend and i.

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Speaker 1: HOPE you don't find out i hope you're in the

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woods somewhere with no, service and it takes you like

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you emerge days later.

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Speaker 2: And there'll be like a hawk that that like soars

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Overhead and like, cause that lebron got traded and that's

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how All. That's. How, we to atlanta haw yeah that'd

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be hard. To hard, over the bus All Right That's. Enough,

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Shouts Frank milo keene apologies jared allen