WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.560 This song feels appropriate for our next guest do. 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:05.120 I follow on social media and it feels like he's 3 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:08.919 constantly jet setting across the world, you know, and as 4 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:11.439 one of the best linebackers to ever do it at 5 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:14.119 the University of Utah, played in the NFL for the Saints. 6 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:16.480 Chase Hanson good enough to join us on a Monday Chase, 7 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:17.480 Happy money man, How are. 8 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:19.280 You appreciate It's been some great It's good be here. 9 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:20.079 It's great to see you. 10 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.879 So as I talk about, I follow you on social 11 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.679 media and I feel like you're in the ocean one day. 12 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:28.559 I feel like you're traveling across the world another day, like, 13 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:30.160 what's been going on with you? 14 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:31.719 Give our youth fan listeners an update? 15 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:34.119 Well yeah, I mean if they want the life update. 16 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.880 The life update is essentially that I finished ball in 17 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.280 The first thing I thought is time to do all 18 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:42.000 the things that you know, I've never had time to do. 19 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:45.799 You travel, go to beautiful places, new cultures, new people. 20 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.039 I was able to, you know, go to Dubai and 21 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:51.399 Europe for a long time and just kick around for 22 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:52.920 a little while, going a bunch of adventures. 23 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:53.880 It kind of suits my style. 24 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:56.479 A bunch of solo, travel, travel with friends, different things 25 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.799 like that that I kind of live for. So just 26 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.880 that kind of stuff. I mean, I'm always working on 27 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:05.000 side gigs and working on business and I'm always trying 28 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:08.599 to keep moving forward. But I've had some fun and 29 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:10.319 doesn't traveling for a little bit. It's it's been cool. 30 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:13.719 I love traveling solo. My family thinks I'm an insane 31 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:16.040 person to do it. It's one of my favorite things 32 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:19.480 to do. And like you, when I had a break 33 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.120 from life and I had a little bit of cash 34 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:23.879 in my pocket, I just boom, I'm gone. 35 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:26.400 Yeah, I want to see places, I want to do things. 36 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:29.879 But some people think traveling solo is like a bizarre 37 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:31.239 form of behavior. 38 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:32.359 I love it. Man. 39 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:36.120 I always say there's a fine line between freedom and loneliness, right, 40 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:36.719 I agree. 41 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:38.400 I had this conversation the other day with someone and 42 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.480 they Hey, we were asking me like, don't doesn't get lonely? 43 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:43.760 And my first thought is, I don't. I've never really 44 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:45.959 been the type of person who gets lonely being alone. 45 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:49.640 Same way like, traveling solo to me is very therapeutic 46 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.319 and it almost feels like this very rich experience because 47 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:54.239 I'm kind of forced to get outside my comfort zone, 48 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:55.920 like I got to meet new people, like I want 49 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:57.879 to meet new people. I'm like I'm forced to plant 50 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:00.359 things myself. And I like traveling with friends and only too, 51 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:02.560 Like that's a blast. But just to be able to 52 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:04.480 sit down and be like I have the time, I 53 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:06.680 got a little bit of money. I've never been to 54 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:10.199 you know, Spain or you know wherever it is, you know, 55 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.039 Japan or wherever, and it's that has been epic. 56 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:15.479 I just I love that kind of stuff. 57 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:17.759 And to your point, I actually sometimes when people tell 58 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:20.319 me that they like they don't like being alone, they 59 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:21.759 look at me and they're like, oh, you're crazy, like 60 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:23.120 you travel sol. I look at them and I'm like, 61 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:26.800 you should probably figure that out. Yeah, you should probably 62 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.439 like you know, enjoy your lone time a little bit more, 63 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:31.840 because I think there's a lot of a lot of 64 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.520 peace and a lot of I just I just think 65 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.280 it can be healthy. Not that I'm like the epitome 66 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:37.960 of mental health, but I think there's a lot of 67 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:40.560 a lot of good that can come from just that's 68 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:44.240 those solo experiences kind of in your own thoughts and 69 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:46.599 your own experiences and all that. So it's been been 70 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:47.560 really cool personally. 71 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:48.240 Are you one? 72 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:50.159 So I I are you a golfer by the way, 73 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.639 you golf clubb No, tennis is going to be my 74 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:54.199 old man's sport, of it's good for you. 75 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.319 I did golf for a little bit when I was 76 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:59.240 in real estate. It was kind of my hand was forced, 77 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:01.800 but it didn't really can't really take well. 78 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.719 Tennis is an excellent old man sport. We are no 79 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.280 pickleball zone on the show because Porter plays tennis and 80 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:09.599 he makes fun of pooketball players and if for honest 81 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:11.400 like pick a ball players are the worst, we get it. 82 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:13.960 You like pickle ball? Okay, that's enough. Yeah, It's like 83 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.360 my friends that used to do CrossFit. I always say, 84 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:18.919 how do you know when somebody does CrossFit? You know 85 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.479 because they'll tell you right away. And now it's pickle ball. 86 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:23.879 You know people that love pickleball? All right, I get it, 87 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:24.599 you love pickleball. 88 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.560 It's yeah, it's the vegans, the pickleballers and the crossfitters. 89 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:30.520 Yeah, yes, well said so. Anyway, I bring it up 90 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:35.080 because I played. We had the State Am tournament last 91 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:37.199 week for golf a couple of weeks ago down at 92 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.080 the Logan Country Club and every year they let the 93 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.039 media hacks go up and play the course and we 94 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.800 interview golfers, and they put me with a former pro 95 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.319 named Steele de Wall. Porter doesn't believe he's a real 96 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:50.400 person because his name sounds like a power tool. It's 97 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.479 a name, it is a great name, and he went 98 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:56.039 through Q School, like Xander Schoffle. He's played with all 99 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.000 of them, Scotty, you name it. Like he was that 100 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:02.639 dude for a while, made corn Faery Tour and just 101 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.639 didn't enjoy that type of life where you have to grind. 102 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:10.439 And so he's now back playing as an amateur where 103 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:12.560 he's kind of rediscovered his love for the game. But 104 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:14.560 when he was done with pro golf, he was done 105 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:16.439 with it. Were you you were you kind of like 106 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:18.959 that with football? Were you footballed out when it when 107 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:19.959 the end came for you? 108 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:21.000 Yeah, it's a good question. 109 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:24.279 I I feel like I had a unique relationship with football, 110 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:26.319 just because I don't feel like I ever fell out 111 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:27.800 of love with the game. I think I thought I 112 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:30.399 did at the time, and I always felt like there's 113 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:32.759 a lot of other things I loved more than ball, 114 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:34.319 Like you know, I had this, you know, I want 115 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:35.279 to I love business. 116 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:36.879 I love traveling. I love the adventures. 117 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:38.160 You know. In my head, I had these ideas of 118 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:40.079 all these things I wanted to do, and I think 119 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:43.079 those were accurate. But I just think that I was 120 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.720 in constant pain. Like I think I fell out of 121 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:48.720 love with like constantly being in pain. Not that anyone's 122 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:50.920 in love with that, but it anytime I was healthy 123 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:52.439 and I was playing the game, I always loved it. 124 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:54.959 Like at any stage, at any point in time when 125 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.279 I was healthy and I was playing, I was like, 126 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:58.000 I loved the game. 127 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.399 It felt very natural, it was it was a it 128 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:01.040 was a great time. 129 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.040 It just the constant wear and tear and nature kind 130 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:06.360 of took its course with me, and no excuses. 131 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:06.800 It just it. 132 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:08.879 That's just the way my story kind of played out. 133 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:09.879 But it was just. 134 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.360 I fell out of love with the way I physically 135 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:16.879 felt while constantly trying to play the game and playing 136 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:20.199 the way I played it, And that was kind of 137 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:22.079 how it worked for me. It was never this moment 138 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:23.879 of like I just don't like football anymore. It was 139 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:25.879 more like, I feel like I'm not going to be 140 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:27.639 healthy enough to live my life, you know, if I 141 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:28.680 keep going down this road. 142 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:30.160 And so it was. 143 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:32.600 Yeah, it worked out, it was well timed, and I'm 144 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:33.600 grateful for what it gave me. 145 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:35.199 It just I still love it. 146 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:37.800 And now that i'm kind of outside of it, I'm like, 147 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.000 you know, back in with my passion of it. 148 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.079 It's just different. Do you different way looking at it? 149 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:45.800 Do you stay connected to former teammates at the U 150 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:46.879 or with the Saints? 151 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:48.240 Do you watch games? 152 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:52.000 Are you like interested in in actually consuming football? 153 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.000 Yeah, more so now than when I was playing, which 154 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:56.600 I'm sure I think a lot of guys will tell you, 155 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:58.759 Like when they're playing, sometimes they just they don't want 156 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:00.639 to talk or watch ball a lot of times unless 157 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:02.360 it's like film or like something that's actually going to 158 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.160 improve their game, right right. But yeah, I'll watch the boys. 159 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:07.639 I'll watch you know, my voice from New Orleans or 160 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:09.480 Utah all the time. And I love keeping an eye 161 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:12.720 on them. But they're they're doing big things and when 162 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.120 you're in that grind, you're you're in it, like you're 163 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:16.720 you're in the thick of it. And so I'll keep 164 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:18.560 tabs on them and just you know, keep an eye 165 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:19.279 on them all the time. 166 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:21.839 Do you live and die with results? Because this is 167 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:24.959 another interesting thing that I've talked to some former YOU 168 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.600 players or WHY players or NFL players, and you know, 169 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.959 my relationship with sports has changed over the years because 170 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.240 I was raised in a family setting where my father 171 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.759 was a pro sports executive with the Jazz and then 172 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:43.040 with the Knicks. UH brought RSL here and so growing up, 173 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:48.399 we would watch games with this intense passion and almost 174 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:52.839 liver dimontality because the family relied on it, needed to 175 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:55.639 win so dad could keep his job, and it always 176 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:58.399 felt so heavy, like when the Knicks were eliminated the playoffs. 177 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.279 I go to school the next day and cafeteria managers like, 178 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:02.839 is are they going to fire your dad this week? 179 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:04.879 Right? Yeah? So I used to watch you with that 180 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:05.959 level of anxiety. 181 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:07.879 Fascinating perspective on that, yeah. 182 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:09.399 And so he's no longer. 183 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:11.560 I mean he's involved kind of in an ancillary way, 184 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.120 but it's no longer day to day and Chase, I 185 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.920 just don't miss watching games like that. I don't miss 186 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.720 like feeling like the world is going to end if 187 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:22.600 BYU beat Utah or whatever it is. Do you do 188 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:26.399 you find the passion or the intensity with which you 189 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:28.639 consume is kind of dwindled as you age a little 190 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:29.240 bit mature. 191 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:33.720 Yeah, I don't know if I've ever been you know, live. 192 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:37.199 I've always tried to find something outside of football to 193 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:39.639 kind of hold on to so that when I lost, 194 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.199 or when I failed, or when my team lost, it 195 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:46.120 didn't affect me on that you know, existential level. And 196 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.199 I would say now I'm probably more invested ironically, like 197 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.920 emotionally in like what the you or what the jazz 198 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:53.319 or what the hockey team is doing, because I just 199 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.720 I kind of have this, uh, I guess this deep 200 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.360 rooted love for Utah and Utah sports like a lot 201 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.279 of people in Utah, but I'm I mean, I get 202 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:04.319 really curious with like, you know, what moves are we making, 203 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:05.519 what are we where are we putting our money? 204 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.120 Like when we bring it in, Like what's going on? 205 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.160 More so than did we win, It's more like how 206 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.360 are we Like how is the team being managed? Because 207 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:15.600 I've always been fascinated with, you know, how NFL teams. 208 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:17.879 You know, what's a general manager doing, who they're drafting, me, 209 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.079 their training Like it's a fascinating concept to be able 210 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:23.079 to look from the top down and organize and you know, 211 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:27.199 put the team together. And I've never been fascinated by 212 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:29.079 like being a coach or anything like that. But as 213 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:30.680 I look at it from a fans perspective, I think 214 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:32.240 I look about it a little bit differently. So it's 215 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:33.759 kind of a long answer to a short question. But 216 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:37.480 basically I don't feel like it, you know, affects me 217 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.879 on that existential level like you talked about, and I 218 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:42.919 get why you did, but I've never been like, oh, 219 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.559 this is going to consume my life if we lose. 220 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:45.000 But it does. 221 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:49.080 I'm emotionally invested, and I'm also just really invested in 222 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:53.120 like how are we managing? Like, like how is everything 223 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.000 being put together? Now that there's money and there's an 224 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:57.120 il on, there's transfers. It's just it's kind of this 225 00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:59.679 chess piece, which is really interesting to see the way 226 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.159 being put together, you know, in all the sports here 227 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:02.759 in Utah. 228 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:04.120 Yeah, and you never struck me. 229 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.919 It's funny because I'm entering my twentieth year doing this 230 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:08.759 full time. I did it part time for about four 231 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:11.240 or five years and now yeah, twenty years. 232 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:12.840 Yeah, that's awesome. I appreciate it. 233 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:15.879 It's a tough place to carve out real estate and 234 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:18.440 sometimes hard to hold on to, but over the years 235 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:21.759 interviewing college athletes. I'll tell right away, like, oh, I 236 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:23.440 hope he wants to coach, because that's probably all you 237 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.480 can do after he's done playing, Like he's a natural 238 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:26.480 coach or whatever it is. 239 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:28.720 I always tease my guy Britten Johnson. 240 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:30.440 Or I did jazz pre app and post with for years, 241 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:34.000 like I'm glad you're six' ten, dude and he's done 242 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:36.399 well for. Himself it's more tug and, cheek BUT i 243 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:39.120 bring it up in that. Context you never struck me 244 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.000 as somebody who was only defined by. Football you always 245 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:48.120 struck me as a well, balanced kind of, introspective thoughtful. 246 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.840 Person so we'll get to what you have going, on 247 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.519 and it's not surprising to me that you do look 248 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:56.039 for side. Hustles as you, said try to move forward 249 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:59.360 and interested in business and you're, gonna you, know pursue 250 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:02.279 a postgraduate degree with if you're, comfortable please talk about. 251 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:05.519 It but where did that balance come? From was It 252 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:07.440 mom and? Dad was it the way you were? Raised 253 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:09.600 was it your? Faith was it just you always have 254 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.240 been an intricately curious. 255 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.000 MIND i, mean those are great options and great great. 256 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.000 THOUGHTS i feel like it's a combination of a lot 257 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:18.480 of different. Things in my, HEAD i feel like my 258 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.799 parents did do great, jobs, like, hey sports are, big 259 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.919 but remember like there's a lot more outside of. Sports 260 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:25.720 that's not what defines you is and you know your 261 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:28.080 your abilities to your, decisions like they were great at doing. 262 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:30.919 THAT i ALSO i also THINK i was just really 263 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.200 curious about everything, Else LIKE i honestly never as a, 264 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:36.440 KID i always wanted to see where football take me took, 265 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:38.120 me BUT i wasn't necessarily a kid that was like 266 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:40.759 my dream is to play in THE. NFL i THINK 267 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.399 i did have that those, ambitions AND i HOPED i 268 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:45.879 would get, There BUT i was always curious about you, 269 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.000 know you know what's going on In, asia you know 270 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.360 what's going on in, business like what's going, on and you, 271 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:53.360 KNOW i THINK i was genuinely very curious of stuff 272 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:56.639 outside of sports and outside of. Ball SO i would 273 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:00.519 say It's i've never actually been asked the why or 274 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.279 the how of, this but it's really interesting to kind 275 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.080 of think about it now BECAUSE i think it's a 276 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.960 number of different things which you, know you've you alluded 277 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:09.840 to a couple of, them and my faith definitely played 278 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:14.879 a part in. That just, yeah realizing there is a 279 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.039 lot going on in. Life AND i loved ball AND 280 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:19.679 i loved you, know what sport can, do AND i 281 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:21.000 want to be involved in it somehow as. 282 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:21.919 Well, still. 283 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.600 But, YEAH i would say is a combination of a 284 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:27.879 bunch of those topics that you hit on just. 285 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:31.200 Barely and you also you have four brothers and three, sisters, 286 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:34.320 right so you come from a male. Family your father 287 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:37.120 played FOOTBALL. Byu it's interesting and we'll get to this 288 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.879 in a little. Bit you were part of this era 289 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:43.799 of a ton of recruits that decided to play For 290 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:47.440 kyle up here where family members had played football down 291 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:47.600 at B. 292 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:49.000 Yu it was an interesting. 293 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.919 Thing and certainly it feels like there's a little momentum 294 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:53.759 shift with the power of the. Purse AND i said 295 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.399 five years ago when Ni al started to become a, 296 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.799 realitist and watch about forty miles now, south all, right 297 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:00.679 they get how to do. This just watch how they do. 298 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.120 It hopefully you talk and can kind of keep. Up 299 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:05.919 but what was it like growing up with and where 300 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:07.240 do you fit in the hierarchy with your? 301 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.720 Siblings which number are you second, youngest second? 302 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.039 Youngest did were you raised in an ultra competitive environment 303 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:15.720 like with my, family there were years where we couldn't 304 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.200 even play like. Risk i'm, Like i'm not. Playing its 305 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.279 just it would get. Loose was it like that with you? 306 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:20.679 Guys for? 307 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.039 Sure, yeah our family is chaos and we have a mixed. 308 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:25.679 Bunch so all my oldest, siblings you, know we're all very. 309 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.039 Different you, know we got half siblings here and, there 310 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:30.320 but we're all still very. Close and in our house growing, 311 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:32.279 up it was five, boys so as me and my four, 312 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:36.399 brothers and, yeah very competitive in every, way like if 313 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:39.440 we're playing wifftball or, basketball like we're not going to 314 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.039 finish the game like a, fight it's gonna. Happen if 315 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:42.919 we're Playing, xbox it's just like it like IT'S i 316 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:44.919 mean it's five boys in the, home all very, competitive 317 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:47.240 and it's still that. Way Like i'll play my brother 318 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:49.279 in tennis and it's just LIKE i don't think it 319 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:51.360 ever goes, away but it's it's it's fun to dive 320 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:51.720 back into. 321 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:53.039 It but, yeah really competitive. 322 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:56.320 House just a bunch of boys and you know sisters 323 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:58.159 as well that you know they weren't in our, home 324 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:00.279 but still very close with all of. Them so just 325 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:02.600 it's it's a chaotic. Bunch but it's fun to have 326 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:04.720 the different. Personalities and you, Know. 327 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:05.919 Mom and dad competitive. 328 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:10.639 Too oh he, is but that's what he doesn't. Like 329 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:14.159 he won't play, games, yes but he ALSO i think 330 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:16.679 he kind of he's chilled out a. Lot like they 331 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.399 won't let us play certain games in our. 332 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:18.639 Home. 333 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:20.240 Uh there's this one board. 334 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.039 GAME i don't even know if the name IS, pc 335 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.000 but it's it's Called Secret hitler and like we're not 336 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.519 allowed to play it in the home because it just 337 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:29.360 gets it gets very. Personal And mom and dad they 338 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:34.720 they they don't like the. Fighting they it's. Competitive my mom's. 339 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:36.919 Not my dad, is even when he tries to act 340 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:40.039 like he's. Not and, yeah they'll they'll outlass certain. Games, 341 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:41.519 yeah that's that's the funny. 342 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.159 Thing when they try to act, like, Oh i'm the, 343 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.559 dad So i'm the, patriarch So i'm not, like, no 344 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:47.919 you want to slip my throat and watch. 345 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.679 Me, oh the, stories the STORY i already know Because 346 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.799 i've heard the stories of my dad and his brothers 347 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.240 and just like THE i mean different, times BUT i 348 00:13:56.279 --> 00:14:00.399 mean they were they were swinging on people. Often it's, 349 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.799 like hold, on we're just. Arguing you, know it's it's 350 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.519 a board. Game, yeah we know the. Story, yeah you, 351 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:08.440 know we. Do we need to bring these. Up and 352 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:11.559 so it's we get where it comes, from you. 353 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:14.440 Know, yeah you're. Right they can only hide it for so. Long, 354 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:14.879 NO i was. 355 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:17.480 Joking so a couple of weeks, ago the home run 356 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:20.679 derby took place In Major League, baseball and the catcher 357 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:22.440 who won his, name is escaping. 358 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.399 Me his father was throwing him, pitches AND. 359 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.120 I was joking that my dad would throw me junk 360 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:30.759 like he'd Throw, kurt like he. Wouldn't he would want 361 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:32.399 to strike me out. Right he would not want to 362 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:34.759 feed me straight down the. Middle he'd want to embarrass 363 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:35.200 me in front of. 364 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:38.000 Everyone so raised in a similar and probably got hit 365 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.039 hit in the probably got good at hitting the junk, 366 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:41.000 though oh yeah, yeah. 367 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:43.720 Yeah no for, Sure but there's no feeding me for. 368 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.559 Success he wants to strake me. Out so let me 369 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.000 ask you about the dynamic as a lone peak kid 370 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.879 who had his choice of where to, play and again 371 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:56.519 it was this interesting time The Britain covees of the, world, 372 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.120 like if your B, yu you can't Let Britain covey 373 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:02.519 get out of your. Backyard his grandpa's name is on 374 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:04.840 half your. Buildings how was he a? You but what 375 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.360 was that process that landed you here at The university 376 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:11.120 Of utah to play For kyle opposed to maybe considering 377 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:13.480 going TO byu and you were in there basically in their. 378 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.519 Backyard, Yeah i'll speak to. MINE i Know, couves he's 379 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.240 got his own. Story but essentially for, me it was 380 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.120 it was kind of What utah had and WHAT byu 381 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.759 didn't for me BECAUSE i think the expectation was That 382 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.399 i'd get to the, why and to keep it really, 383 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:29.679 SHORT i didn't have a great recruiting experience at THE 384 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:31.799 wy AND i think they all assumed LIKE i was going. 385 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:33.320 There my dad went there like it was a family. 386 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.679 Thing AND i got there AND i was, LIKE i 387 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:37.600 MEAN i tried not to be the, like you, know 388 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.440 show me the, money like let's put on a show for. 389 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:41.120 Me BUT i got there AND i was like they 390 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.399 did not sell me at, All like this is it 391 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.240 is not like this doesn't sound feeling for me to be. 392 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.639 HERE i think there was also an element of they 393 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.000 were very forward, About, hey you're coming here and you're playing, 394 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:55.039 linebacker AND i was in this mindset of actually, quarterback 395 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:56.039 which obviously we know how that. 396 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.639 Ended BUT i loved. 397 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.279 IT i Loved, SCALEY i love like the coaching staff 398 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:04.679 was a big part of my. Decision and to be 399 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:09.320 also super transparent about like my personal, DECISION i JUST 400 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:12.840 i didn't love the bubble that Was Utah county for, 401 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.200