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<v Speaker 1>I love Christmas. I love the decorations, quiet times, getting

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<v Speaker 1>you know later and I have time to reminisce a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. I hope you're doing well, Hide Cliff, your

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<v Speaker 1>host of birthday, and it is Christmas time, and my

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<v Speaker 1>best to you and your family. And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>end of twenty twenty four a whole. It really went quick.

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<v Speaker 1>If something is special, it's sacred. Christmas is a sacred time,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's time to reminisce about the year that's ending,

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<v Speaker 1>considered the year that's coming up, and all the good

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<v Speaker 1>things always the family gathering, friends and family, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of us become I mean, I'm included in this introspective

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about what happened in the year and all the good,

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<v Speaker 1>all the challenging, the traumatic, the sad. Life moves on,

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<v Speaker 1>friends and family move on, or you discover new friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family. So whatever it is, I hope you are

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about the holidays, and it is a time for

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<v Speaker 1>you to celebrate. So I wish you a happy holiday,

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<v Speaker 1>be it Christmas, Hanukkah, or whatever you celebrate in your home.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's a special edition of Earth Ancients. We are delving

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<v Speaker 1>into the question of these drones that have been found

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<v Speaker 1>primarily on the east coast New Jersey, Maryland, parts of Vermont,

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<v Speaker 1>North and South Carolina, all the way down to as

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<v Speaker 1>far as Florida. And we really have not been getting

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<v Speaker 1>a sufficient explanation. And this is surprising. You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you have a flying vehicle flying over military installations over

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<v Speaker 1>populated areas, usually the FAA or the Pentagon or someone

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<v Speaker 1>in the local government speaks up and says, hey, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what's going on. Don't be worried, don't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get upset about it. But in the case of

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<v Speaker 1>these drones, we haven't heard a great deal of anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and that leads to all kinds of speculation and rumors

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<v Speaker 1>everything from there are ships off the coasts sending these

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<v Speaker 1>drones up to These are UAPs, otherwise known as UFOs,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are here to make you aware of their presence. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not hearing much from even the muffon groups, the

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<v Speaker 1>UFO organizations that track UFO activity around the world. And

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<v Speaker 1>so today i'mresenting a panel discussion with a few experts

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<v Speaker 1>to give us their points of view and their reference

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<v Speaker 1>as to what the hell is going on? What are

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<v Speaker 1>these drones all about? And as I've been reading and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of preparing for this group, this panel discussion. I

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<v Speaker 1>have run across some of the most strange and anomalous

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<v Speaker 1>and wild explanations for these drones that you know, are

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<v Speaker 1>scan the possibilities everything from the typical prop driven drones

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<v Speaker 1>that we can purchase it, you know, at any Best

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<v Speaker 1>Buy or on Amazon for a few hundred dollars, all

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<v Speaker 1>the way up to these military grade drones that are

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<v Speaker 1>as big as a bus and have been reported in

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<v Speaker 1>the skies above New Jersey. Now, just a few days ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw an article where apparently a drone had crashed

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<v Speaker 1>into a freeway and they showed the body of this

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<v Speaker 1>drone which was cylindrical. The base body was cylindrical, surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by propellers. This thing was huge. It must have weighed

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<v Speaker 1>several hundred pounds. And we don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 1>battery driven or if it was it had propane or

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<v Speaker 1>gasoline or whatever. It was the damnedest looking thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it came out of the sky and according to witnesses,

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<v Speaker 1>just smashed into the divider, the cement divider on a highway.

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<v Speaker 1>And these reports are becoming stranger and stranger. There are

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<v Speaker 1>airline pilots one in Oregon who reported seeing a drone

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<v Speaker 1>which it turned out to be a UAP because it

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<v Speaker 1>flew up around twenty thousand feet and tailed him and

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<v Speaker 1>then blinked out. In other words, the lights went out

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<v Speaker 1>and he lost it. He didn't even see it on

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<v Speaker 1>his radar anymore. So that has all the trimmings of

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<v Speaker 1>a UAP and identified aerial phenomenon. Now, remember is the

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<v Speaker 1>rebranding of the classic u fo's Unidentified Flying objects, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the new terminology is Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon u A P.

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<v Speaker 1>And when they speak of UAPs, we're talking about exotic,

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<v Speaker 1>highly advanced, and in many cases extraterrestrial propulsion systems. And

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<v Speaker 1>it gets dimensional too. We have vehicles that are run

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<v Speaker 1>by gravitational fields. We have translucent drones, which in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>are orbs you can see through them, which which which

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<v Speaker 1>is also curious because are they manned drones? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>remote drones driven by somebody in another planet, another location?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know. So I got tired of this and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, let's let's pull some of our

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<v Speaker 1>experts together, some old, some new, and get their perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on just what is going on. And I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to frighten anybody. But there are a group of people

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<v Speaker 1>who believe these are off world and that means that

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<v Speaker 1>they are alien craft, alien design, alien physics. And whenever

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about alien physics, we're talking about vehicles that

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<v Speaker 1>can defy our gravity. They can link in, blink out,

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<v Speaker 1>they can pass through portals in the sky, they can

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<v Speaker 1>shadow planes, helicopters, even people have been shadowed by some

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<v Speaker 1>of these drones. So we want to get a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of what's going on, and we'll do that today with

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<v Speaker 1>a panel discussion of experts. So today's special edition of

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<v Speaker 1>Earth Ancients is Drones, u APS and First Contact. And

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<v Speaker 1>my guests are Greg Gons, doctor Michael Clawson, and doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Carlato. This is gonna be a good one today.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a special edition of Earth Ancients that we

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<v Speaker 1>are producing, and it is one that I have a

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<v Speaker 1>personal interest in a numbers of different levels anomalies, u A, P,

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<v Speaker 1>s UFOs, alien interactions, government discretion, disclosure and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>And mid November of this year and right up to now,

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<v Speaker 1>there have been waves of drones hovering over New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>at night. There's been a number of other sightings up

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<v Speaker 1>and down the East coast. Some of these are very

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<v Speaker 1>recognizable drones. Others are displaying unusual pulsion systems, movements, lights,

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<v Speaker 1>levels of design that are much more advanced that we

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<v Speaker 1>are used to, and we can't get any information from

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<v Speaker 1>the government. These are in many cases what we think

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<v Speaker 1>of typical drones with flashing lights, hovering propeller sounds. But

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<v Speaker 1>when they are reported to the authorities that be that Pentagon,

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<v Speaker 1>the government of whatever state, there are no reactions, no

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<v Speaker 1>definitions of any of this, and it has become a huge problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The FAA is giving light responses, the Pentagon is disavowing

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<v Speaker 1>most of these as unknown to them. And today we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to discuss this in detail with my panelic group here.

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<v Speaker 1>My first guest is Greg Goins. Greg is from New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a New Jersey resident who has been outspoken for

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<v Speaker 1>the lack of government transparency in the face of this

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<v Speaker 1>mass drone sighting. He has actually traveled to Washington, DC

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<v Speaker 1>and spoken to various congressional groups and individuals to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>this issue and to promote a UAP Disclosure Act that's

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<v Speaker 1>been around for a few months, and we'll learn more

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Greg's also appeared on Fox News to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>this UAP situation, and he recently wrote a op ed

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<v Speaker 1>article for the Philadelphia inquir which I read, which was excellent,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll also ask him a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 1>My next guest is doctor Michael Glaussan. He is the

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<v Speaker 1>co host of the podcast The Anonymalous Review. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>professor of biomedical ethics at the College of Charleston in

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina. He's also a member of the Scientific Coalition

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<v Speaker 1>for UAP Studies and he's written on UAPs and UFO,

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<v Speaker 1>The UFO Question, and a number of publications. My final

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<v Speaker 1>guest is returning doctor Mark Carlotto Marcus an aerospace engineer

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<v Speaker 1>with over forty years of satellite imaging, remote sensing, and

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<v Speaker 1>image processing field work. He has written over one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>technical papers and is the author of the Martian Enigmas,

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<v Speaker 1>The Sidonia Controversy and Beyond and Atlantis. We've had Mark

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<v Speaker 1>on a couple of different times. Gentlemen, Welcome to Earth ANXIO.

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<v Speaker 1>Is great to have you on the program.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks, Greg.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start with you, describe, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>what has happened and what is the settings in numbers

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<v Speaker 1>that we see in New Jersey. Talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about your neighbors and perhaps what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I mean, at this point, everybody's seeing something, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not they're actual drones or airplanes. But but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people are seeing some very unusual craft

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<v Speaker 3>in the sky. Almost every day I get a friend

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<v Speaker 3>or a neighbor texting me videos. Many of them are aeroplanes,

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<v Speaker 3>but some of them really you can't tell what they are,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. One friend just texted me today a picture

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<v Speaker 3>of fourteen to sixteen objects that were just lights and

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<v Speaker 3>groupings above his house, and it was very odd. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of different things people are seeing. People

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<v Speaker 3>have seen suv sized drones over their homes, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>really the talk of the town. You know, everywhere you go.

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<v Speaker 3>People are talking about it. Right now, is at the

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<v Speaker 3>bank today, and they're really talking about it. We were

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<v Speaker 3>getting into it. So there's a lot of confusion among

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<v Speaker 3>everybody wanting answers, and there's a lot of a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of fear too. I had a buddy that saw

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<v Speaker 3>something recently and he said, I'm going to Dominican Republic,

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<v Speaker 3>booked a ticket and got out of the here. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of the atmosphere that we're dealing with in

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<v Speaker 3>New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a problem that the local authorities can't define

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<v Speaker 1>what they what you guys are seeing, or is it

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<v Speaker 1>more of the fact that nobody can answer any questions.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they definitely can't define, you know, what they're seeing. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>some of it, the majority of it you're going to get,

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<v Speaker 3>are minist identifications right now. You know, airplanes that people see,

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<v Speaker 3>or typical drones or something else. But the objects that

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<v Speaker 3>fall outside of that, they can't really define it. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>a police helicopter got above one of these six foot

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<v Speaker 3>drones and as soon as they got above it, the

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<v Speaker 3>drone turned off their lights and completely were undetectable by

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<v Speaker 3>the police State Police chopter. So you know, they're having

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<v Speaker 3>a difficult time identifying what these items actually are. All

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<v Speaker 3>they see are lights sometimes that go away, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a big confusion. The federal government's not providing any

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<v Speaker 3>answers either.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you went to visit your congressmen in Washington

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<v Speaker 1>and confronted him or his staff, what was the reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, So this was a couple of months ago that

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<v Speaker 3>I did this to support the UAP Disclosure Act which

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<v Speaker 3>was making its way through the House and Senate, and

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<v Speaker 3>mostly the staff did not know about the UAP Disclosure

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<v Speaker 3>Act or UAP in general. There was a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>lack of information, lack of knowledge on their end. So

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<v Speaker 3>there were some that did and the few that didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know about it, you know, took it very seriously and

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<v Speaker 3>we're appreciative of it. But yeah, it wasn't taken seriously before.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a feeling now it's being taken more seriously

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<v Speaker 3>in Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>And one last thought on that is when you hear

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<v Speaker 1>that the Pentagon is not talking at all about this

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<v Speaker 1>and rather just kind of giving some weak excuse for

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<v Speaker 1>not reporting that, what does that make you feel?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Pentagon. I have a problem with the Pentagon

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<v Speaker 3>right now, you know, that's who my My big issue

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<v Speaker 3>is the Pentagon knows what these are. The Department of

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<v Speaker 3>Defense knows what's happening. They have the satellites, they have

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<v Speaker 3>the technology, they have the eight hundred and fifty billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollar budget next year. They know, and they're not taking

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<v Speaker 3>responsibility for informing not just the public, but even converse.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the different legislators are asking to be informed,

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<v Speaker 3>asking for these briefings and they're not getting any information

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<v Speaker 3>in them, So the Pentagon's holding whatever information they have,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's very frustrating because you know, there was a

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<v Speaker 3>and said they still don't know what they were from

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<v Speaker 3>Langley a year ago. You know, they're not getting answers

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<v Speaker 3>on that, and so any information is just being held

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<v Speaker 3>within the Department of Defense, and you know, it's time

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<v Speaker 3>that it comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's weird. Mark, I'm curious, you've been studying this phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we have a sense of the technology in place?

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<v Speaker 1>Are these typical prop drones or are we seeing all

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think the drones are sort of the

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<v Speaker 4>latest manifestation of the phenomenon. I mean, my interest is

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<v Speaker 4>I think has been occurring for not just tens of years,

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<v Speaker 4>but hundreds of perhaps thousands of years. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I think drones is sort of like the technology to Jore.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, in the seventies it was these enormous

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<v Speaker 4>been really a continuous evolution of the phenomenon and why

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<v Speaker 4>they're drones now.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, it's it's sort of.

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<v Speaker 4>Made their investigation even more challenging because it's very similar

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<v Speaker 4>to technology that we have, and like you know, Greg,

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<v Speaker 4>you were saying, it's kind of hard to sort out,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the more mundane explanations the hobbyists, the the

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<v Speaker 4>standard government uh, you know, devices and vehicles from those

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<v Speaker 4>that are more extraordinary and the ones that are more

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<v Speaker 4>extraordinary sound like UAP. And as far as the propulsion,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a big question mark.

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<v Speaker 5>No one knows.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, they're they're able to execute maneuvers and you know

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<v Speaker 4>pull g forces that would crush any kind of physical instrumentality,

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<v Speaker 3>A human oct.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, people have used the terms, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>have characterized them as as defying the laws of physics,

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<v Speaker 4>and uh, you know, a lot of the strange phenomenon

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<v Speaker 4>your uh you know, I've heard reports of drones switching

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<v Speaker 4>off or these these crash switching off drones and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>vehicles in pursuit similar to h you know, in the sixties,

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<v Speaker 4>reports of when there were sightings there would be power.

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<v Speaker 5>Failures, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think my my perspective on this is not

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<v Speaker 4>you guys, but it's sort of like the broad brush,

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<v Speaker 4>how does this fit into a more evolving perhaps historical.

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<v Speaker 5>Context with you know, in the age, with in humanity.

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<v Speaker 3>In the eighteen hundreds and these mystery airships too. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of to go with the times throughout history,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, these sightings, so like whatever time you're in,

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of have a sighting similar to what you're

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<v Speaker 3>knowledgeable about now. So right now it's drones because that's

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<v Speaker 3>what we all will. But I agree, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, UAP have evolved to kind of.

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<v Speaker 4>When it goes back, you know, it goes back to

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<v Speaker 4>the Bible, the wheels of Ezekiel.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>There are all sorts of unusual descriptions in the Bible

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<v Speaker 4>which were you know, attempts to describe what was being

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<v Speaker 4>observed with the technology of the time. And uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think some you know, like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>some like von Danigan uh attributed a lot of the

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<v Speaker 4>stuff to extraterrestrials and that's you know, that's one hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 4>But Uh, you know, I think that's that's problematic given

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<v Speaker 4>kind of where we are now with SETI, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we haven't really detected any signs of light outside of

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<v Speaker 4>the Earth, at least not in terms of physical you know,

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<v Speaker 4>signatures that we emit. So there are extraterrestrials out there,

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<v Speaker 4>why can't we find them?

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<v Speaker 5>Why can't we detect them?

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<v Speaker 4>And and so it's yeah, it's it's puzzling. I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>kind of curious. Greg, you you think that the government knows?

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<v Speaker 5>Why do you say that? I'm just kind of curious.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, No, that's a good question. And let me clarify.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't necessarily think they know everything. Like they might

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<v Speaker 3>not know where these uap originate from, but they have

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<v Speaker 3>satellite imagery. I'm sure they see them going into the ocean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and then where do they go after that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if the government knows that, but I

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<v Speaker 3>know they have a lot more information than their sharing,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they just have the technology for it. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>when it was Langley, they had a NASA reconnaissance shuttle

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<v Speaker 3>hovering over it trying to take images. But even if

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't get information, like say, the NASA reconnaissance Shuttle

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't identify these objects. That's information, you know, that's information

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know. So they definitely have a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more information, even if it's the lack of information that

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<v Speaker 3>tells us something about the technology, tells us something about

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<v Speaker 3>the origin. So, uh, there's that's That's what I meant

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<v Speaker 3>by that. There's definitely information that they're not sharing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mark on that note, why don't we why are

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<v Speaker 1>we not hearing from NASA? We have heard nothing from

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<v Speaker 1>NASA on any of these things.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I think it was a year or

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<v Speaker 4>so ago they had a big NASA meeting, a conference

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<v Speaker 4>on on U A P and you know, they give

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<v Speaker 4>the number of presentations by f A A and and

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<v Speaker 4>and D O D and and NASA and uh. NASA's

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<v Speaker 4>approach to the problems seems to be they want to

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<v Speaker 4>study it, you know, as they want to study it

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<v Speaker 4>as a scientific problem. They want calibrated data sets, they

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<v Speaker 4>want they want all sorts of information that is just

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<v Speaker 4>not you know, practical. It's sort of like beggars can

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<v Speaker 4>be choosing as you.

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<v Speaker 5>Got to you gotta take what you get.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know if you got If you remember

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<v Speaker 4>this conference, it was being streamed live and a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people the reactions were really kind of interesting. People

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<v Speaker 4>are like they couldn't believe what NASA was saying. It's

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<v Speaker 4>certainly not an agile approach to the problem. I think

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<v Speaker 4>the agile approach is you've got to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>use all this information and use you know, smart techniques,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe use AI to do some information fusion and try

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<v Speaker 4>to find where.

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<v Speaker 5>The gaps are.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I don't think NASA doesn't know. People are

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<v Speaker 4>looking to the government, to NASA to try to explain this,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't think they know the answer. That's that's

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<v Speaker 4>the reason for the silence.

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<v Speaker 1>Strange, Michael, Can we speculate on why this is happening now?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. One thing that I think is helpful when we

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<v Speaker 2>start speculating is to make a distinction between a few

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<v Speaker 2>different kinds of phenomena. So one thing that's going on

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<v Speaker 2>now are these drones settings over in your Jersey And

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<v Speaker 2>we might ask why has that gotten in the news

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<v Speaker 2>when lots of other sightings of strange phenomenon. This guy

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<v Speaker 2>don't get attraction, And I think there's a pretty simple

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<v Speaker 2>explanation for it. A New Jersey congressman went on Fox

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<v Speaker 2>and said that it was an Iranian mothership that was

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<v Speaker 2>launching drones from off the coast of America, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just not true. That just can't be true. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Iran is to busy getting it's you know, ass destroyed

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<v Speaker 2>in Syria right now, it's and their technological capabilities just

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<v Speaker 2>aren't there. It's just not the case. That's why it

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<v Speaker 2>got picked up. So probably there's lots and lots of

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<v Speaker 2>cities in the world where there are pretty frequent drone sightings,

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<v Speaker 2>and we might speculate why is that the case. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's aliens that I guess is possible, but maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>more prosaic explanation that might fit the data is that

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of startups that are testing drone

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<v Speaker 2>software and drone designs for things like deliver uber eats,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're really paltry regulations about drone operations. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not clear how you apply for a certificate to

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<v Speaker 2>test experimental drone designs and urban environments, for instance, And

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<v Speaker 2>if you were running a startup, you might think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just not apply for such a certificate and just

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<v Speaker 2>test our drones over the city and see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have a lot of people who are confused,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't really go anywhere until the Congressman says

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<v Speaker 2>something really stupid and then it gets on the news.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one I think that could explain most of the

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<v Speaker 2>drones sightings that people see. And I mean, drone is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a fuzzy term in the first place, but

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't explain everything. I haven't heard anything so far

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<v Speaker 2>about the New Jersey flat that tells me that these

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<v Speaker 2>objects have really extraordinary technological capabilities. Maybe they do. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's lots of people calling in, and I haven't heard

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<v Speaker 2>all the calls, but we might distinguish those from lots

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<v Speaker 2>of other sightings of strange objects callum drones or call

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<v Speaker 2>them whatever, that do exhibit really bizarre flight characteristics. So

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have, you know, surfaces that give them lyft,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have any sort of identifiable propulsion system. They

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<v Speaker 2>can do things like Mark said, They can accelerate in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that should just like annihilate whatever's inside of it.

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<v Speaker 2>They can go between air and water. We know that

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<v Speaker 2>there are versions of drones that can do this trans

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<v Speaker 2>medium thing from low earth orbit to air to water

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<v Speaker 2>and back out again without stopping or changing their propulsion method.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are truly bizarre, and calling them drones all just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of muddies the water because we don't even have

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<v Speaker 2>a consistent definition that FAA doesn't have a consistent definition

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<v Speaker 2>of what a drone is. They don't even really use

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<v Speaker 2>it in their language. They just say in the cases

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<v Speaker 2>where we do to talk about drones, we're relying on

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<v Speaker 2>Dictionary common definitions of it they use like remote aerial

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<v Speaker 2>vehicles or something. So well, if we want to speculate

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<v Speaker 2>on why this is happening now, we need to be

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<v Speaker 2>clear about what is the thing that we're asking. Why

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<v Speaker 2>are there lots of drones? There's lots of drones and

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<v Speaker 2>lots of companies and people operating them, and not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of good rules about who can and when, and

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<v Speaker 2>those rules are going to eventually catch up to our technology.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're way better at making technology than we are

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<v Speaker 2>at regulating it, so the new technology is always like

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<v Speaker 2>several steps ahead of our regulations. But that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>West right now, like it's all just you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>mistaking planes and people getting weirded out about actual consumer drones.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not the only set of phenomenon that are

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<v Speaker 2>and incomprehensible behavior that we don't even know how to

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<v Speaker 2>begin speculating on the engineering that's behind them. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably not helpful to call them drones. But it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>actually less than helpful because if you use the term drone,

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<v Speaker 2>then it's easy to kind of dismiss it and say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just seeing something that somebody brought off of him

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<v Speaker 2>on for two hundred bucks and your iPhone camera didn't

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Now you're freaked out aliens, which I actually

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that any of these things are aliens, but

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<v Speaker 1>Greg, I've read somewhere that over five thousand people have

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<v Speaker 1>reported sightings. Is this I mean, I've seen pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>drone groups, like hundreds of drones and grouping creating patterns

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. Is it the spectrum of sightings

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<v Speaker 1>where you see one, you see a few, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you see a whole bunch or what is the typical sighting?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the typical sighting is an airplane. But

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<v Speaker 3>there are sightings of groups of drones. You know, they

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<v Speaker 3>range from a few to eight to ten. Say, there's

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<v Speaker 3>not too many above ten. Like I said, my buddy

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<v Speaker 3>sent me a picture earlier today that I had like

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen or sixteen in there. That is very odd. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's typically where it is, between the four and eight range,

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<v Speaker 3>i'd say. And to Michael's point, you know, New Jersey

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<v Speaker 3>is also the most populous state, so you have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot more people in a very dense area, So there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more people looking up at the sky and

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<v Speaker 3>seeing things. So there's gonna be more people, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>reporting in this small area, so it might seem amplified.

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<v Speaker 3>There's definitely some mass hysteria going on, there's no question

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<v Speaker 3>about that. But I also agree that there are objects

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<v Speaker 3>up there that defy explanation, you know. And John Kozlowski

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<v Speaker 3>from ARROW, the older Main Anomaly Resolution Office, just brought

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<v Speaker 3>that up in hearing last month at the same time

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<v Speaker 3>this drone incursion was going on, when he said that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, ARROW is not just investigating birds or balloons

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<v Speaker 3>or drones. They're investigating truly anomalous objects that defy any explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>HM, We're got to take a short commercial break to

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<v Speaker 1>allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return

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<v Speaker 1>shortly with my panel discussion on drones, UAPs and first contact.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 6>Drive alone in de sembery.

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<v Speaker 1>That plame a favorite song see us no fake, not.

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<v Speaker 2>For call hovning for the holiday, calling days until your day.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be wading in this aldia.

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<v Speaker 3>Dear Christmas, Christmas, Christmas Lime know you may supper, but

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<v Speaker 3>to get.

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<v Speaker 1>The today's program is drones, UAPs and first contact. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have a special group of experts from around the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and we're learning exactly what they believe is

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<v Speaker 1>happening with these sightings on the East coast of America. Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>why would the Pentagon be so quiet on something like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't it be to their advantage to at least speculate

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<v Speaker 1>in a more grounded, educated view as to this not

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<v Speaker 1>being a threat to citizens, but also perhaps being a

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<v Speaker 1>contractor military contractor testing drones or I mean, we've heard

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<v Speaker 1>nothing of any substance from the Pentagon.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, people are concerned about credibility of sources, and

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<v Speaker 4>if sources start speculating, then there's no credibility. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>everything becomes that it's perial and there's no news is no,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no fact base, and I think it's to the

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<v Speaker 4>would be to the government's detriment to to to speculate.

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<v Speaker 4>I think honestly it would be better than to say

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<v Speaker 4>they don't know, rather than to make up x you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, crazy explanations or or just be silent. I

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<v Speaker 4>think I think they should simply say they don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, take the historical perspective again, that this

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<v Speaker 4>has been this is this is an ongoing phenomenon. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not it's not new. You know, back back in the sixties, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>and in the fifties and uh, you know it really

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<v Speaker 4>started in the early forties.

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<v Speaker 5>Has always been a fraction of craft.

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<v Speaker 4>That could not be identified, you know, fact that it

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<v Speaker 4>was swamp gas the planet venus. Uh, you know, this,

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<v Speaker 4>that and the other thing. Now you have more uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, more rational kinds of you know, explanations or

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<v Speaker 4>false alarms, hobby drones and so forth. I mean, those

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<v Speaker 4>are totally believable, but there's always been that traction that

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<v Speaker 4>have been unexplainable. And I think the government should say, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 4>this has been ongoing and it probably is not a

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<v Speaker 4>threat to us because it's been happening for such a

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<v Speaker 4>long period of time, and so this is sort of

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<v Speaker 4>like the latest manifestation, the latest version of it, and

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<v Speaker 4>we should we should really try to study it and

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<v Speaker 4>be open minded and not not be fearful, but be

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<v Speaker 4>And I think they need to be honest, because otherwise

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think at least any any good outcomes.

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<v Speaker 1>What does this tell us, though? Would you say that

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<v Speaker 1>it tells us that they, as you say, are they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what's going on. They don't know, so that that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that says pretty amazing to me when you

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<v Speaker 1>think this governmental agency that it's tens of billions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars every year, has nothing to say of any concrete nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they might be able to say things that are

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<v Speaker 2>of a concrete nature. Not to jump in and cut

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<v Speaker 2>Mark off, but they might be able to say things

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<v Speaker 2>about what they've observed that make them conclude that they

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. And I agree with Mark. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>government probably doesn't know what these really anomalous ones are

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<v Speaker 2>that are doing things that we can't attribute to prosaic means.

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<v Speaker 2>But saying what they know that baffling to them runs

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<v Speaker 2>the risk of giving away their sources and methods sort

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<v Speaker 2>of intelligence, like what sort of sensors they use to

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<v Speaker 2>make these observations. And I think it runs another strategic risk,

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<v Speaker 2>like we might want the government to be transparent with

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<v Speaker 2>us and say we just don't know what these things are.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the incentives that's bearing upon them is

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<v Speaker 2>that the second the CIA or the Department of Intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>says we don't know what these things are, Russia or

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<v Speaker 2>North Korea is going to say, well, yeah, we've got

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<v Speaker 2>some stuff that America doesn't know about, which probably is

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<v Speaker 2>not really true, but they're gonna love that opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>create a sense of imminent sort of superiority over US.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a huge risk for just national security, the

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<v Speaker 2>perception national security at least.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I'd hate to be a politician, you're exactly,

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<v Speaker 4>You're right, Michael. And and I think maybe the situation

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<v Speaker 4>now is maybe as maybe maybe it's just managed. Maybe

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<v Speaker 4>it's being managed the best it can.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Government's doing the best they can, and which isn't good

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<v Speaker 4>enough really for some of us, but it could be

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<v Speaker 4>a lot worse. And you know, like they say, and

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<v Speaker 4>this too, you know this too, shall pass.

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<v Speaker 5>It'll come and go.

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<v Speaker 4>And we'll be again wondering what it was, but it'll

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<v Speaker 4>be forgotten until until it happens maybe in another decade,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it was again. These things are happen in ways,

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<v Speaker 4>and I really think we need to take a historical

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<v Speaker 4>perspective on it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious to think what you guys put your opinion

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<v Speaker 3>of like whistleblowers like David Rush and lou of Alizondo

533
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<v Speaker 3>and people like Carl Nell who have come out and

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<v Speaker 3>said that the government has all of this information about

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<v Speaker 3>non human intelligence presence on Earth. You know, do you

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<v Speaker 3>guys take that with a grain of salt? Do you

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<v Speaker 3>give any credence to it? Because according to those people,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the government knows exactly, you know, what we're

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<v Speaker 3>dealing with, or at least they can surmise that we're

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<v Speaker 3>dealing with the non human intelligence based on the technology.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm just curious if you guys you know what

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<v Speaker 3>your position is on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know, No, I mean, they're they're they're

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<v Speaker 4>they're they're they're they're they're really smart. They're they're well educated,

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<v Speaker 4>they're totally plugged in.

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<v Speaker 5>They know what's going on, and I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I would not doubt anything they say. I think this

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<v Speaker 4>is also kind of a heterogeneous phenomenon. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 4>talking about just the distribution of of what's seen.

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<v Speaker 5>There's all kinds of stuff and.

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<v Speaker 4>There could be all there could be all sorts of

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<v Speaker 4>things going on. Uh, reality is is is probably much

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<v Speaker 4>more complicated and more nuanced and uh, you know then

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<v Speaker 4>than we.

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<v Speaker 5>Could possibly imagine.

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<v Speaker 4>And so who knows, But I really think there is

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<v Speaker 4>a class of of of of phenomenon that is I

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<v Speaker 4>want to I want to say I'm most timeless. It's

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<v Speaker 4>almost always been with us and you know, my my slands.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe a little bit towards towards more.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, you know, I'm not I'm not limiting our our understanding.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we should view this as purely a

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<v Speaker 4>physical phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's sort of like if you're, if you're, if you're

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if your world is is a is a

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<v Speaker 4>desktop and there's some sort of three D phenomenon that's

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<v Speaker 4>interacting with that. You can't possibly know that reality it's

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<v Speaker 4>beyond you, and I I feel that this is an

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<v Speaker 4>ext you know. Jacques Ballet, Ballet talked about, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>extra dimensional sort of phenomenon. It goes beyond our physics

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<v Speaker 4>and our understanding. But you know, I think we have

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<v Speaker 4>to leave the door open for for for that we

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<v Speaker 4>have to realize that our science and our physics is limited.

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<v Speaker 4>And so you know, I think we just have to

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<v Speaker 4>be a little bit open minded and maybe and maybe

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<v Speaker 4>patient about it. And and you know, again, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm the short answers.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Michael, I want to look at this from a

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<v Speaker 1>philosophical point of view.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I answer? Can I answer Grege's questions ahead? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I do have an answer, and it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>totally legitimate question, like what to say about these whistleblowers

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. So I just spent a weekend at Yale

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<v Speaker 2>with Danny Sheen and a few other people. Danny is

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<v Speaker 2>the is the lawyer for louel is Ondo and for

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<v Speaker 2>David Grush, And yeah, we got to talk a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about this. But my my perspective, the way I think

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<v Speaker 2>about it, is that in the way I think others

592
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<v Speaker 2>should think about it, obviously, is that it seems inconceivable

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<v Speaker 2>that nothing that they're the whistleblowers are saying it's true,

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<v Speaker 2>and it seems equally conceivable that there's no misinformation or

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<v Speaker 2>mistake in it. And I don't know where to draw

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<v Speaker 2>the lines in those but I know this that if

597
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<v Speaker 2>the government has found a bunch of crashed craft that

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<v Speaker 2>have beings in them or tech in them, the obvious

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<v Speaker 2>conclusion is that, well, we've just found like aliens or something. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>But it seems to me that anything that's powerful enough

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<v Speaker 2>and technologically advanced enough to create those things that we've

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<v Speaker 2>found could create them just as decoys or just as

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<v Speaker 2>misleading objects too. And we might not know what's on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the phenomena either way. So all

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<v Speaker 2>we can really know is whatever the truth is, where

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know how to draw that line about what's

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<v Speaker 2>true or not in the whistleblower testimony. Whatever the truth

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<v Speaker 2>actually is, that's all we have. We don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to infer on the basis of it. It might just

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<v Speaker 2>be created simply for the sake of misleadings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But on that note, Michael, is somebody trying to

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<v Speaker 1>tell us something, Oh, you mean in the government, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I just if this is off world And

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<v Speaker 1>as Mark speculates, this is a historic kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>regular occurrence every decade. It's a perhaps a symptom of

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<v Speaker 1>what Earth is going through politically, mentally, whatever social media

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<v Speaker 1>maybe has opened us. I've always said that the military

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be asking the priests about the reaction of the Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>They should be asking the people who are ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>social media. For all the ins and outs and all

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<v Speaker 1>the functions of the world, be it macro or macros,

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<v Speaker 1>levels is always revealed. So what is what is happening here?

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<v Speaker 1>What can you what do you speculate on that thought?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll speculate. I think that well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>when you ask the question, is somebody trying to tell

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<v Speaker 2>us something that seems to be like gesturing at the

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<v Speaker 2>question of whether the things we observe, the really strange

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<v Speaker 2>things we observe, are things that we're just like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of passively observing, as if like there's an expedition that

630
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<v Speaker 2>somebody else is running and we just happened to see

631
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:29.199
<v Speaker 2>them flying around in the sky while they were doing it,

632
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<v Speaker 2>or is it an intentional sort of signal. If we

633
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<v Speaker 2>take the whole history of phenomena and like try to

634
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<v Speaker 2>sort out the best evidence that we can the most

635
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<v Speaker 2>reliable accounts. It does seem like at least some aspect

636
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<v Speaker 2>of this phenomena has the ability to choose how it

637
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<v Speaker 2>appears right. And if that's the case, then it suggests

638
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<v Speaker 2>to me that at least a lot, if not all,

639
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<v Speaker 2>of the sightings that we do have, they could have

640
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<v Speaker 2>just cloaked themselves or whatever. Why did we Why do

641
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:02.400
<v Speaker 2>we see it at this point? Or if they can

642
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:06.119
<v Speaker 2>fly as fast as they seem, they could fly so

643
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 2>fast that you would never catch them with your eye,

644
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.679
<v Speaker 2>you know. So I think it is reasonable to say

645
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<v Speaker 2>that whenever we make these observations of truly strange phenomena,

646
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 2>it was in some way intended as a kind of

647
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.519
<v Speaker 2>message we're kind of signed, or at least they didn't

648
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:25.239
<v Speaker 2>care whatever's behind it, that we saw it. And then

649
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.920
<v Speaker 2>you have to speculate why, I don't know that there

650
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.920
<v Speaker 2>seem to be patterns of UAP above nuclear sites that

651
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:38.119
<v Speaker 2>seems to be really really consistent since we started being

652
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<v Speaker 2>able to harness nuclear energy. If that's the case, and

653
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<v Speaker 2>if it's intended, why, I mean pretty easy to draw

654
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.599
<v Speaker 2>the conclusion that they're saying, you know, we see you

655
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<v Speaker 2>in when we're advanced than you or something might be

656
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.800
<v Speaker 2>that the world's in such turmoil now that after an election,

657
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:00.800
<v Speaker 2>they start rising out of the ocean, trying to remind

658
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<v Speaker 2>us that the country that just divides itself so much

659
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.199
<v Speaker 2>isn't really the one that's you know, on top of

660
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the world or something. I mean that that is pure speculation,

661
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 2>but I think that's the realm that these phenomena push

662
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:14.920
<v Speaker 2>us into. It's really hard to just stay in the

663
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:18.639
<v Speaker 2>like nuts and bolts technology realm, where all you ask is, well,

664
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<v Speaker 2>how do they how do they stay aloft for so long?

665
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Like what kind of batteries do they have on them?

666
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Which are good questions, but there I think this phenomenon

667
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:29.079
<v Speaker 2>it always pushes you outside the realms of what you

668
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.639
<v Speaker 2>consider like normal, respectable discourse and into this realm of

669
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:37.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of like religious, spiritual political speculation. That's just where

670
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<v Speaker 2>we always land.

671
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's funny that you say that, because I've

672
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<v Speaker 1>always felt that the first contact is either being cloaked

673
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:50.320
<v Speaker 1>by the military or they're they're feeling our off world. Brother,

674
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 1>whoever they may be, may not feel we're ready for

675
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.800
<v Speaker 1>this kind of content, you know, as the Brookies Institute document,

676
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 1>which was written in nineteen sixty has to say, is

677
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:04.480
<v Speaker 1>that what we'd kill ourselves, we jump out of buildings,

678
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:11.800
<v Speaker 1>religion would fail, institutions would fall apart, and maybe that's

679
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 1>We're beyond that now. Maybe it's time to get these

680
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>little sightings, be it large or small. And I'm wondering, Greg,

681
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<v Speaker 1>is that something that you ever consider when your writing,

682
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>is the possibilities that maybe we are seeing the real thing,

683
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.079
<v Speaker 1>the real first contact.

684
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think we've been seeing first contact for

685
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 3>thousands of years, possibly, you know, these things have been

686
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:43.000
<v Speaker 3>going on to both third points for millennia likely, But

687
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 3>are they recognized, you know, are they being recognized by

688
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.760
<v Speaker 3>the mass population? And they haven't been recognized yet, and

689
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 3>they are very vague and they're there, but you can't

690
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:55.719
<v Speaker 3>really get a good idea of what they are. So

691
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.519
<v Speaker 3>that does seem to be an intentional thing, you know,

692
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<v Speaker 3>an intentional form of communitytion.

693
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<v Speaker 1>You know.

694
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<v Speaker 3>I kind of look at as we're in this ecosphere

695
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.880
<v Speaker 3>where we, you know, are on a very very thin

696
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.880
<v Speaker 3>piece of reality, and there's a lot going on around

697
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.480
<v Speaker 3>us that we don't perceive, you know. I mean, if

698
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 3>you're think about even the light spectrum we see in

699
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.840
<v Speaker 3>such a short you know, fandwidth of the light spectrum.

700
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:21.840
<v Speaker 3>But then you have dark matter and dark energy, which

701
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.239
<v Speaker 3>is ninety five percent of the universe supposedly. You know,

702
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.320
<v Speaker 3>we have no idea what's going on there. So are

703
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:33.159
<v Speaker 3>these you know, UAP from dark energy, dark mass sources,

704
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.719
<v Speaker 3>something in between, something below. I'm not sure. I just

705
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:40.639
<v Speaker 3>know that our perception is very limited, and there's definitely

706
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.840
<v Speaker 3>the possibility that these objects, these crafts come from outside

707
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 3>of our ability to perceive them. They're just like touching

708
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<v Speaker 3>our reality a little bit.

709
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<v Speaker 7>Man.

710
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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you, whenever I go on a podcast, I'm

711
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.800
<v Speaker 2>always like really nervous that I'm gonna find myself with

712
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.800
<v Speaker 2>a group of just crazy people and I'm gonna have

713
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.400
<v Speaker 2>to like train wreck the whole discussion just to prevent

714
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 2>it from going on. But I, like every one of you,

715
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:05.760
<v Speaker 2>like everything.

716
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:12.280
<v Speaker 1>We've already been through the acid test of insanity on

717
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:13.079
<v Speaker 1>the whole topic.

718
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, we're not We're not done yet, because because Cliff

719
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:18.800
<v Speaker 4>usually pushes me at the end and I start saying things.

720
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're not done by judgment, maybe we're all the

721
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:23.079
<v Speaker 2>same kind of crazy.

722
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<v Speaker 8>I'm okay with that, but but Michael, let me let

723
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.440
<v Speaker 8>me pick I just want to respond to something you said,

724
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.760
<v Speaker 8>you know, is what is it bad.

725
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:37.039
<v Speaker 4>To push it towards the spiritual and the psychology and

726
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:42.000
<v Speaker 4>all that. I feel that in some sense, and you

727
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 4>make a really good point about how they're allowing us

728
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<v Speaker 4>in a sense.

729
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:48.639
<v Speaker 5>To observe them.

730
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.280
<v Speaker 4>They could be totally they could be there and totally

731
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:54.079
<v Speaker 4>hidden all the time. Could it be that, you know,

732
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 4>we think that we're in control, we own all this,

733
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 4>and maybe the reality is they're the landlord and they're

734
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:04.840
<v Speaker 4>here and they're checking up on things they don't you know.

735
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.119
<v Speaker 4>You know, they appear around military bases where they're exercises.

736
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.280
<v Speaker 5>There's also a long term interest in in the health

737
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.519
<v Speaker 5>of our planet in terms of you know, how we're

738
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.280
<v Speaker 5>utilizing it and you know, pollution and so forth.

739
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:23.920
<v Speaker 4>It could be that they're just they just want, you know,

740
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:26.960
<v Speaker 4>to keep the property in you know, in good repair.

741
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.360
<v Speaker 5>They're the sort of the you know.

742
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<v Speaker 9>The the uh the Vedix would sort of uh sort

743
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:35.840
<v Speaker 9>of a liken them to uh sort of like the

744
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.079
<v Speaker 9>Avatar's addition new you know, vis News the preserver, right,

745
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:43.639
<v Speaker 9>Brahma creates Shiva destroys, but Vish News.

746
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.440
<v Speaker 4>Preserves and uh, you know, maybe someone needs to be

747
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:49.119
<v Speaker 4>around and take care of this because maybe we're not capable.

748
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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

749
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:51.800
<v Speaker 7>I like it.

750
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that it's a bad thing to push

751
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 2>into the realm of sort of spiritual manners or whatever.

752
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I think, in fact, that one of the problems humanity,

753
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:04.159
<v Speaker 2>at least Western humanity, has dug itself into, is that

754
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 2>we've drawn these really artificial boundaries between disciplines like science

755
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:09.800
<v Speaker 2>is one thing, in religion is another, in histories and

756
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.920
<v Speaker 2>other and philosophies another, and tried to chop up reality

757
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 2>into the disciplinary borders. But that doesn't work, and it

758
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.039
<v Speaker 2>makes it impossible to ask certain questions that humanity has

759
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.960
<v Speaker 2>taken really seriously for like thousands and thousands of years

760
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 2>and now are just like nowhere in the landscape of

761
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 2>serious discourse, like spiritual questions and religious questions. And I

762
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.280
<v Speaker 2>think that's a problem.

763
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Amen, Amen, no question about it. We've lost that, you know,

764
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.119
<v Speaker 3>what's natural to us. You know that once we got

765
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:40.719
<v Speaker 3>out of the cave and looked up at the sky

766
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 3>and like the spiritual connection to our universe. We definitely

767
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:45.920
<v Speaker 3>don't have that no Western culture right now, and it's

768
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:48.719
<v Speaker 3>kind of sad, you know, Shamanism, you know, and the

769
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:54.800
<v Speaker 3>plant medicine and just the real world of natural around us,

770
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.360
<v Speaker 3>and it's just kind of go on from our society's

771
00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:59.159
<v Speaker 3>I think we'll get back to it. I kind of

772
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:00.679
<v Speaker 3>feel like we are getting back to a little bit,

773
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:03.320
<v Speaker 3>and maybe that's part of this phenomenon as well. You know,

774
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:06.679
<v Speaker 3>maybe there's some connection there, but I know there's pushing

775
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.239
<v Speaker 3>to kind of recapture that. It's sad because there's so

776
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:14.320
<v Speaker 3>much of a loss of you know, the religious institutions.

777
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a big fan of. I was born, I

778
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.559
<v Speaker 3>was raising a Catholic family, I went to Catholic school,

779
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.239
<v Speaker 3>and I you know, that kind of got me to

780
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.480
<v Speaker 3>realize that things aren't what people tell you. You have

781
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:28.719
<v Speaker 3>to question everything, you know, but there is this spirituality

782
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.000
<v Speaker 3>that you know, religions bring out, and that Christianity even has,

783
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:34.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, in a connection with each other that we're

784
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 3>losing because we're ignoring the other aspects of it, you know.

785
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.360
<v Speaker 3>So I think getting rid of the institutionalized religions and

786
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.239
<v Speaker 3>dogmatic practices and kind of looking at the bigger picture

787
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.960
<v Speaker 3>and connecting it to other sciences would be useful.

788
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I agree, and I think that that one of the

789
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.559
<v Speaker 2>consequences of this view that we're all kind of espousing

790
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.639
<v Speaker 2>is something that you Greg hinted at, which is that

791
00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:00.199
<v Speaker 2>it may be that first contact is behind us, or

792
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe that there was never a moment that we weren't

793
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:06.800
<v Speaker 2>in contact with this thing. We've just sort of developed

794
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.000
<v Speaker 2>in the last few hundred years into this collective mindset

795
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:14.480
<v Speaker 2>where we think that most of reality, it just doesn't

796
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.119
<v Speaker 2>exist at all. It's just you know, the whole spiritual

797
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.679
<v Speaker 2>world or whatever. It's just nonsense.

798
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I think beyond and I hear what you're saying, Michael,

799
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:27.199
<v Speaker 1>But for me, it's like land your ships, get out

800
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:32.159
<v Speaker 1>and say something. This clandescent hiding in the dark behind trees,

801
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.599
<v Speaker 1>out in the in clouds, turning your invisibility cloak on,

802
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.039
<v Speaker 1>turning it off. That's gotten out of control. It's time

803
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>for the next phase of a first contact. We're going

804
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 1>to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors

805
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my

806
00:49:53.079 --> 00:50:00.280
<v Speaker 1>team of panelists discussing drones, UAPs and first contact. We'll

807
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:45.760
<v Speaker 1>be right back with you. Today's panel of experts is

808
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:50.760
<v Speaker 1>discussing drones, UAPs and the possibility of first contact with

809
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:54.840
<v Speaker 1>an alien race. We're getting a sense of their expertise

810
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:59.280
<v Speaker 1>in how they define the current wave of drones that

811
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 1>are found in a number of states on the East

812
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:08.800
<v Speaker 1>coast of America. That's how I feel. I've been studying

813
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the phenomenon for thirty years, and it seems like they're

814
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.239
<v Speaker 1>very advanced. And I'm just generalizing. It could be many, many,

815
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:24.719
<v Speaker 1>many different groups, but we are not getting enough interaction

816
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:29.320
<v Speaker 1>for my taste. I think we're getting just one point

817
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<v Speaker 1>zero versions of hey, here we are, goodbye, take a look.

818
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<v Speaker 2>I feel the frustration. I think though, that that frustration

819
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:40.280
<v Speaker 2>arises out of a belief, a sort of half conscious

820
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:43.239
<v Speaker 2>belief that we really, ultimately do know what it is,

821
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<v Speaker 2>and they're just like not coming out and saying the thing,

822
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:50.079
<v Speaker 2>like we think they have bodies, they're from a surface

823
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.639
<v Speaker 2>of another planet somewhere else. They got technology faster than

824
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:54.599
<v Speaker 2>we did or sooner than we did, and then they

825
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:56.320
<v Speaker 2>came over here and another just like zooming around our

826
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.360
<v Speaker 2>skies and being coy about it, right, and why don't

827
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.199
<v Speaker 2>they just come out and say it it? Maybe though

828
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:05.639
<v Speaker 2>that the truth is something that just cannot be said,

829
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 2>or that like defeats the purpose like that could say

830
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.599
<v Speaker 2>it to your face, but you wouldn't hear it. There's

831
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.360
<v Speaker 2>this line from Wittgenstein where he says, if a lion

832
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:16.639
<v Speaker 2>could speak, we couldn't understand him. It may be like

833
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 2>that that the most that they can say is hanging

834
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:25.199
<v Speaker 2>out in the clouds and annoying you and destabilizing your

835
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.639
<v Speaker 2>sense of reality until we get hit some gooestalt shift

836
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.000
<v Speaker 2>and we realize, oh, maybe the point is that I

837
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know, and then it's some unsayable.

838
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 4>Thing or maybe or maybe we can understand the lion,

839
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.880
<v Speaker 4>and what the lion says we can't possibly accept. And

840
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:43.920
<v Speaker 4>and that might be something like we're not in control

841
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:47.199
<v Speaker 4>of the situation. This is not our game. Like you

842
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:49.480
<v Speaker 4>want you want, you want them to just sort of

843
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:52.519
<v Speaker 4>come out from behind the bushes. Well it's it's it's

844
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:56.039
<v Speaker 4>their game, if you will. We're not in control. And

845
00:52:56.079 --> 00:53:00.159
<v Speaker 4>that may be the lesson We don't. We think we're

846
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.440
<v Speaker 4>the latest, and we think the greatest on this planet,

847
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.719
<v Speaker 4>but we just may be the most recent, and there

848
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 4>may have been countless generations and ages and civilizations and

849
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:14.920
<v Speaker 4>who knows, you know, Like like Greg mentioned, where this

850
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:20.320
<v Speaker 4>very thin a slice of the universe that we understand,

851
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 4>we can perceive, we can understand, we can deal with.

852
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:26.320
<v Speaker 4>There's so much more and and maybe the messages we're

853
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:27.440
<v Speaker 4>not in control.

854
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.559
<v Speaker 3>Thing it's simple. I don't think there's like a simple

855
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't think we can compare ourselves to them and

856
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.760
<v Speaker 3>look at it as apples and apples, like we will

857
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 3>come out of a craft and we'll like introduce ourselves.

858
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.400
<v Speaker 3>But I just don't think the answer is that simple.

859
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:45.800
<v Speaker 3>To Mike's point, you know, we don't know what they're

860
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.840
<v Speaker 3>capable of. We don't really know where they reside, you know,

861
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:52.039
<v Speaker 3>in the universe and our reality, in our oceans, and

862
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.719
<v Speaker 3>they might not be compatible with us. We might only

863
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 3>be able to see like a shadow of their what

864
00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 3>we're viewing may even be a shadow, even if it's

865
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:02.920
<v Speaker 3>a technical logical shadow, you know that has mass and material,

866
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:07.000
<v Speaker 3>it might not be the actual reality that they experience.

867
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:09.440
<v Speaker 3>So I just think that whatever the answer is is

868
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:11.760
<v Speaker 3>not that simple, and I wish it was. I would

869
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:14.639
<v Speaker 3>love for it to happen, but I don't expect it

870
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 3>to occur right now.

871
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Ultimately, I think you're right. Yeah, Hey, Greg, talk a

872
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:21.559
<v Speaker 1>little bit about these drones that have been cited over

873
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>military installations in New Jersey. What is a what are

874
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:27.079
<v Speaker 1>we what are we seeing there?

875
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:29.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, there's not many

876
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:33.400
<v Speaker 3>details released on what those are other than their anomalist

877
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.920
<v Speaker 3>to drones. You know, I haven't seen anything to say

878
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:39.519
<v Speaker 3>if they're the large ones or the small ones. I

879
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:44.760
<v Speaker 3>just know that Piccadilly and Earl Stations both experienced swarms

880
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:47.599
<v Speaker 3>of them over their bases in the last few weeks.

881
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:51.840
<v Speaker 3>I think Piccadilly had like eleven. So you know, when

882
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.400
<v Speaker 3>that happens, there's a lot of questions about what are

883
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:57.119
<v Speaker 3>these drones? Where they come from? You know, with them

884
00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:59.719
<v Speaker 3>flying over the bases, you kind of makes you think,

885
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.519
<v Speaker 3>first off, they're probably not military. If our own military

886
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 3>is trying to figure out what they are, you know,

887
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.280
<v Speaker 3>like I said about Langley, if they're sending out shuttles,

888
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.519
<v Speaker 3>reconnaissance shuttles and moving F twenty two fighter jets, I

889
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.960
<v Speaker 3>doubt there are military as you know, I mean, they're

890
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 3>they're pretty bad with communication, but I doubt that it's them.

891
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:19.679
<v Speaker 3>And there's geo fencing up, so we can't be a

892
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:23.159
<v Speaker 3>hobbyist drone you know, that would get returned to the sender.

893
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:26.280
<v Speaker 3>They're not allowed to go over these sensitive sites. So

894
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:29.000
<v Speaker 3>it really does make you question, well, what is it

895
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.719
<v Speaker 3>flying over these sensitive facilities? I mean, could it be

896
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.800
<v Speaker 3>an advisarial drones could be, but it's been happening forever

897
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 3>and if we haven't solved that problem yet, that's an issue.

898
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:43.039
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, again, like everything in this topic, it leaves

899
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:44.519
<v Speaker 3>you with more questions than answers.

900
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.679
<v Speaker 1>The thing that's odd about that though, is I FAA

901
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:52.400
<v Speaker 1>has specific guidelines for flying your drone, and if a

902
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 1>drone is found in a military installation, that's breaking so

903
00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:57.639
<v Speaker 1>many rules, if not laws.

904
00:55:58.480 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 6>What the hell?

905
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this needs to be brought up and you know,

906
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:07.880
<v Speaker 1>discussed more. I don't understand the quiet nature of these

907
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:12.920
<v Speaker 1>official agencies. Have you followed up on FAA, Greg Gun?

908
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:17.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, again, most drones you can't even fly over like

909
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:19.880
<v Speaker 3>in order. My understanding, I'm not a drone expert, but

910
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.199
<v Speaker 3>from my understanding is you can't fly over these restricted airspaces.

911
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.960
<v Speaker 3>The drone has a you know, there's a geo fencing

912
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.440
<v Speaker 3>and there's the GPS chip and it'll prevent the drone

913
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:34.559
<v Speaker 3>from crossing that boundary. So you know, it's not hobbyist

914
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:38.000
<v Speaker 3>drones and it's not. You know, people people are obviously

915
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:42.239
<v Speaker 3>trying to get around the FAA regulations. You know, they're

916
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.480
<v Speaker 3>not following them on purpose. If if that's what's occurring,

917
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:47.800
<v Speaker 3>very strange.

918
00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:50.639
<v Speaker 2>I can say a little bit about that from some

919
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:52.440
<v Speaker 2>of the people at SCU that I've talked to who

920
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.760
<v Speaker 2>do military history or who in the intelligence world. This

921
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:58.519
<v Speaker 2>is like a whole separate category of drone phenomena. These

922
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 2>military base some military airspace incursions. They're totally different from

923
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.239
<v Speaker 2>what people are seeing over cities and just civic space.

924
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:12.559
<v Speaker 2>There's lots of them, sometimes like uncountably many of them.

925
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 2>They can stay in flight for a really long time.

926
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:18.719
<v Speaker 2>They seem to have they seem to be immune to

927
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:26.480
<v Speaker 2>some of the not exactly weapons, but anti drone technology

928
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:30.480
<v Speaker 2>use lasers and other sorts of energy to confuse them

929
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:32.199
<v Speaker 2>or just get them to shut down. They don't seem

930
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.719
<v Speaker 2>to be affected by that. They seem to have software

931
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.079
<v Speaker 2>or some sort of control mechanism that allows them to

932
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:41.800
<v Speaker 2>behave and swarm behavior that we don't quite understand. And

933
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.519
<v Speaker 2>then we don't know where they come from, because when

934
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:46.960
<v Speaker 2>we try to send a plane to follow them back

935
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:50.480
<v Speaker 2>to wherever they go, they can either stay in the

936
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:53.719
<v Speaker 2>air longer than air planes can fuel themselves, or they

937
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.119
<v Speaker 2>accelerate so fast that we can't follow them out that's

938
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.920
<v Speaker 2>not obvious drones, and it really in those cases, I

939
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:03.880
<v Speaker 2>think there's been several hundred of these incursions that have

940
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:08.119
<v Speaker 2>been well documented. In those cases, every option is really bad.

941
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Either it's some adversary that we have that has some

942
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.000
<v Speaker 2>really intense gary technology they've developed that we don't have,

943
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.559
<v Speaker 2>and not just one, but like three or four different

944
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:21.000
<v Speaker 2>technological advancements that we haven't made, and that's that's no good,

945
00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:24.039
<v Speaker 2>especially since they seem to be using it to like

946
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:31.079
<v Speaker 2>intentionally spoof our airspace over military bases, or it's one

947
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:36.559
<v Speaker 2>branch of the government like going rogue and terrorizing another branch,

948
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:41.719
<v Speaker 2>which would be really disastrous for America because the civilian

949
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:43.719
<v Speaker 2>control of the military is like one of the founding

950
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:48.679
<v Speaker 2>principles that keeps America from turning into a military, you know,

951
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:53.159
<v Speaker 2>just a military state dictatorship. So if our military is

952
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:57.159
<v Speaker 2>going rogue against other branches are just acting without oversight,

953
00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:01.079
<v Speaker 2>then that it's pretty disastrous. Or tailing in sports something

954
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:03.920
<v Speaker 2>something we don't have a category for, which is kind

955
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:05.320
<v Speaker 2>of ry highly.

956
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:09.159
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I've found is really fascinating

957
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:12.199
<v Speaker 1>is the various sizes and shapes of these so called

958
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.519
<v Speaker 1>drones of the And this is the problem because of

959
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:20.480
<v Speaker 1>artificial intelligence, people can manipulate photographs on different levels. I mean,

960
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.679
<v Speaker 1>if you go do a search right now for drones,

961
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:27.039
<v Speaker 1>you'll get a million different variations. But the other day

962
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I saw a picture of a drone apparently that had

963
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:33.400
<v Speaker 1>crashed in a freeway. And this thing looked like a

964
00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:39.239
<v Speaker 1>small bus. The body was long elongated. I didn't see

965
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:41.760
<v Speaker 1>the propellers. I didn't know what the propulsion system was,

966
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:46.880
<v Speaker 1>but it was a monster. And I don't know who's

967
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:49.760
<v Speaker 1>putting out drones of that size with propellers, but I

968
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:53.280
<v Speaker 1>would think our military. And this comes to my next question.

969
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:56.800
<v Speaker 1>A number of UFO groups are speculating that this is

970
00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a black ops program that's gone a right ye, and

971
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering, Mark, I guess if that was the case,

972
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:09.159
<v Speaker 1>the Pentagon wouldn't want to say a thing, because that's

973
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:13.760
<v Speaker 1>they're people who have got gone rogue and are flying

974
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:19.960
<v Speaker 1>these without permission, or they're testing them in highly populated areas,

975
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 1>which would probably not be wise. You would typically want

976
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to test a new aircraft in a desert area that

977
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:30.119
<v Speaker 1>is not populated.

978
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:35.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know so, so I think this also appears.

979
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:37.239
<v Speaker 4>I think the answer to that also really, you know,

980
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.119
<v Speaker 4>sort of touches down on the whole, you know, the

981
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:42.639
<v Speaker 4>tic TAC phenomenon from which was sort of like the

982
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:46.159
<v Speaker 4>previous version of this, right, but you're you know, they're

983
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:53.800
<v Speaker 4>being cited over sensitive areas, the military exercises, they're exhibiting

984
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.440
<v Speaker 4>all these word behaviors. I just I, you know, I

985
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:01.960
<v Speaker 4>wanted to ask a question or because I think the

986
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:05.039
<v Speaker 4>answer sort of there relates to you know, it's to

987
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:09.760
<v Speaker 4>your point about you know, the government the overlap between

988
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:12.280
<v Speaker 4>I just wonder what the overlap between the tic TACs

989
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:13.159
<v Speaker 4>and the drones are.

990
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.039
<v Speaker 5>Did the is it is?

991
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.280
<v Speaker 4>I haven't followed the you know, the sightings of the

992
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.599
<v Speaker 4>logs of you know, what's been observed aware at what

993
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:25.239
<v Speaker 4>period of time, but you know, the tic TACs were

994
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.800
<v Speaker 4>the it was that way for a while and then

995
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:31.239
<v Speaker 4>now we have this is there overlap between the two?

996
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:34.639
<v Speaker 4>Do you sense that there one transition into another that

997
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:39.280
<v Speaker 4>is sort of another again a more recent manifestation of

998
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:43.000
<v Speaker 4>that phenomenon, because that was also you know, very problematic

999
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:45.039
<v Speaker 4>and raised a lot of these same questions that that

1000
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:50.360
<v Speaker 4>Flip's asking. I just wonder, you know, from you see

1001
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:50.719
<v Speaker 4>the theme.

1002
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:52.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you see the same thing over time.

1003
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.159
<v Speaker 3>You see the tic TACs now, even you see them

1004
01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:57.639
<v Speaker 3>twenty years ago, you see him hundreds of years ago.

1005
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think you see the rag in the

1006
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:03.679
<v Speaker 3>green or red and blue flashing lights. We call them

1007
01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:07.599
<v Speaker 3>drones now, but they had those, you know also decades,

1008
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.639
<v Speaker 3>if not centuries ago, there are reports of these flashing

1009
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:14.320
<v Speaker 3>lights red in the and blue. So I think I

1010
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:18.159
<v Speaker 3>think it's always been there. But you know, now you

1011
01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:21.679
<v Speaker 3>your mind, because you are familiar with drone technology, it

1012
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.840
<v Speaker 3>goes to drones. But I think that, uh, that there's

1013
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:27.920
<v Speaker 3>been an overlap and uh, I think it's it's been

1014
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:29.920
<v Speaker 3>going on like that for for a long time. I mean,

1015
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:34.679
<v Speaker 3>look at them. Look at the Nuremberg Celestial Battle. Are

1016
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:37.480
<v Speaker 3>you familiar with that from the fifteenth Yeah, you know,

1017
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:41.079
<v Speaker 3>they have a depiction of things that people talk about today.

1018
01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:44.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, in World War two, the Foo fighters, you know,

1019
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.000
<v Speaker 3>the orbs, and there were sightings of these rods, these

1020
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:50.719
<v Speaker 3>giant rods that had four or five orbs in them.

1021
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:54.599
<v Speaker 3>You know, that's exactly what the Nuremberg, you know, photo depicts.

1022
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:58.159
<v Speaker 3>So I think there's a consistency with all these sightings

1023
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:01.960
<v Speaker 3>throughout time, and maybe now people are a little bit

1024
01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:05.679
<v Speaker 3>more geared towards drones and what things look like drones

1025
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.039
<v Speaker 3>because it's a technology of today.

1026
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:11.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you know, just just to circle back and

1027
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:13.559
<v Speaker 4>ask your question clip, you know, the you know, the

1028
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:16.599
<v Speaker 4>black ops sort of that that's that's kind of like

1029
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:19.280
<v Speaker 4>a modern thing now that we talk about, But you know,

1030
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.039
<v Speaker 4>one hundred years ago, what was what would the equivalent

1031
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:24.360
<v Speaker 4>of you know, that have been, you know, would there.

1032
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:25.199
<v Speaker 5>Have been such a thing?

1033
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:29.400
<v Speaker 4>Certainly the technology to support that didn't exist. So it's

1034
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:31.320
<v Speaker 4>sort of like this is why I'm saying that.

1035
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:32.519
<v Speaker 5>I think when you look.

1036
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.400
<v Speaker 4>At it historically, certain things just fall out as being

1037
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:37.159
<v Speaker 4>just implausible.

1038
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:37.840
<v Speaker 5>Anymore of that.

1039
01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:41.880
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you're left with more questions than answers, unfortunately,

1040
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:44.920
<v Speaker 4>but I think it can rule out like you know,

1041
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:49.599
<v Speaker 4>row governments and foreign adversaries and you know, black ops

1042
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:51.639
<v Speaker 4>programs because they've been going on for so long.

1043
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just wonder if we're at a state in

1044
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:59.920
<v Speaker 1>our evolution, especially a young country like the United States,

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01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:04.840
<v Speaker 1>where we are changing to the point now where we're

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<v Speaker 1>not reporting things as regularly as we would perhaps in

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<v Speaker 1>the last ten years. And I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lacks of protocol, but there seems to be a

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01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.719
<v Speaker 1>huge void in trying to define these things. And this

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01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:22.920
<v Speaker 1>makes me think more and more that this is off

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<v Speaker 1>world tech that is not able to be easily explained,

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01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:34.400
<v Speaker 1>or they are moving more towards wanting to explain off

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01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:37.920
<v Speaker 1>world types of tech, but letting people kind of come

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01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:41.920
<v Speaker 1>up with their own conclusions, which is a problem because

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01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:45.800
<v Speaker 1>people go off the deep end and if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have some form of foundation, either a scientist, a military person,

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01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:56.360
<v Speaker 1>or a governmental representative saying hey, take care, you're okay,

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01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:00.360
<v Speaker 1>this is nothing to worry about. We're kind of getting that,

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01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:03.800
<v Speaker 1>but not really what you say to that, Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think they know what to follow that

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<v Speaker 2>up with. I mean, the narrative for a really long

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01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:12.639
<v Speaker 2>time from the US government at least, was these things

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<v Speaker 2>either aren't real, or they're like, we've got some military

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01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:20.280
<v Speaker 2>craft that we're testing, so don't worry about that, or

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01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:25.559
<v Speaker 2>their balloons or whatever. When they knew that wasn't the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, genuinely, this is just a manner of like

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<v Speaker 2>documented fact that since the forties, the US government has

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<v Speaker 2>known there are things that.

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<v Speaker 6>Are moving around in our.

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01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Airspace in ways that we can't explain, but they don't

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01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.079
<v Speaker 2>seem to be a threat. And that's really the only

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<v Speaker 2>question that the US military is like officially tasked with

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01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:51.599
<v Speaker 2>in this case is like determining. It's just doing threat

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01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:54.000
<v Speaker 2>assessment and if we don't think it's a threat, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a potential threat. We don't think it's an actual threat

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<v Speaker 2>because it seems like it could have done as harm

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01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:01.039
<v Speaker 2>if it wanted to, and it hasn't. So that's their

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01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:03.000
<v Speaker 2>only question. And you do want, like you do want

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01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:05.480
<v Speaker 2>a government office that just does that. That's like our

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01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:08.559
<v Speaker 2>job isn't to speculate about anything other than that. We

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01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:12.320
<v Speaker 2>just see if we're safe. And once they've done that analysis,

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01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:15.639
<v Speaker 2>they're good. But they just don't know what else to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if they did have applausible even if it

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01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.079
<v Speaker 2>was a plausible lie and they knew it was a lie,

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01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:25.079
<v Speaker 2>that that's what we'd be hearing. Silence in this case

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01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:28.440
<v Speaker 2>is pretty conspicuous. It's sort of deafening, and I think

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01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:32.119
<v Speaker 2>that we can interpret that silence as them not being

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01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:35.239
<v Speaker 2>able to come up with any kind of plausible, comforting

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01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.159
<v Speaker 2>narrative to give us.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Greg, doesn't this feel like off the wall,

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<v Speaker 1>Twilight Zone kind of reaction? It's like, what the hell? Yeah,

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01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:54.079
<v Speaker 1>you would You would think somebody would step up and go,

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01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:57.920
<v Speaker 1>this is what we think, don't worry about it. You know,

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01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:03.679
<v Speaker 1>we haven't had any crashes into any towers in New

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01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:07.320
<v Speaker 1>York or anything like that. You know, these aren't foreign adversaries.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just seems so unusual to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it seems like they know that it's not foreign adversary,

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01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:17.760
<v Speaker 3>like they've said, and they also know that it's something

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01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:20.639
<v Speaker 3>a novelists, you know, and not specifically about the drones

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01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:23.559
<v Speaker 3>in New Jersey, but in general, you know, the UAPs

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01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:27.079
<v Speaker 3>that we're dealing with. And honestly, I kind of see

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<v Speaker 3>it as they created this construct of withholding information and

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01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:37.039
<v Speaker 3>denying you know, UAPs that now when you deal with

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01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:40.519
<v Speaker 3>possibly an actual drone situation, they don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, we're talking about UAPs here, but are we

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<v Speaker 3>handling the same way we handle the drones?

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like they've created this own bed for themselves,

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01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.320
<v Speaker 3>and you know, I kind of hope that certain Congress,

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01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:56.079
<v Speaker 3>people like Senator jillibrandt is using that to their advantage

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01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:59.920
<v Speaker 3>to force some type of a more transparency from them,

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01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:03.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, kind of playing to this concern with not

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01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:08.679
<v Speaker 3>knowing what these drones are and hopefully from trying to

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01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:11.559
<v Speaker 3>get the information and create laws like they're trying to

1115
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:15.000
<v Speaker 3>pass now about taking out drones and about getting more information,

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01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:19.359
<v Speaker 3>hopefully that leads over into the UAP issue and we'll

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01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:20.560
<v Speaker 3>get more information there.

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<v Speaker 2>The point of what Greg just said is that the

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<v Speaker 2>problem that he said, you know, we've made our own

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<v Speaker 2>bed of sort of history of being silent, the government's

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01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:32.640
<v Speaker 2>history of being silent. Part of that is baked into

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01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:36.199
<v Speaker 2>the structure of the government, Like there is no official office,

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01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:39.079
<v Speaker 2>no person whose job it is to tell the American

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01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:41.640
<v Speaker 2>we do not know what this is, so it's never

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01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:43.800
<v Speaker 2>going to get done. We'd have to like create an

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01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:48.720
<v Speaker 2>office for the community public communication of what we're ignorant about,

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01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and then nobody want that job. But that's like it

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<v Speaker 2>really would take something like that to get the government

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01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:56.359
<v Speaker 2>to be like, Okay, here's the stuff we don't know

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01:08:56.359 --> 01:08:59.159
<v Speaker 2>and that we're concerned about, but you have a right

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<v Speaker 2>to know about.

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<v Speaker 1>Office of anomalist studies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, or but in the Office of Public Communicators,

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01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:06.920
<v Speaker 2>the Department.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Members.

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<v Speaker 2>Man incoming, the incoming administration would be really super qualified

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01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:17.039
<v Speaker 2>to create such a department. I think that that's something

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01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that's going there.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you though, if you look at if you

1140
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:23.439
<v Speaker 3>look at it right now, nobody even knows how to

1141
01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:26.039
<v Speaker 3>handle this situation. The FBI saying, oh, it's not us.

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01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:28.560
<v Speaker 3>The Department of Homeland Security is saying, you know, they're

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01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.640
<v Speaker 3>all looking at the Department of Defense, They're looking at

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01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.399
<v Speaker 3>the FAA. Nobody is catching this hot potato and saying,

1145
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:37.039
<v Speaker 3>this is our responsibility. That's just how bad and discombobulated

1146
01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:41.359
<v Speaker 3>that our government operates. And this is really shining a poor,

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01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:45.560
<v Speaker 3>poor light on how how the government communicates with one another.

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<v Speaker 1>And I totally agree with you. This is a growth

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01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.439
<v Speaker 1>uh spurt that we're having as a nation. And you

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01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:54.640
<v Speaker 1>would think that somebody in the know would say, we

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01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:57.680
<v Speaker 1>do need a department to discuss this. We do need

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01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:01.520
<v Speaker 1>individuals who have certain types of edgy ocasion too, uh,

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01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:05.279
<v Speaker 1>explain this to the press, to explain this to the

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01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:09.279
<v Speaker 1>country in so many words, And it seems like this

1155
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:13.960
<v Speaker 1>is an opportunity but who's going to take the mantle

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01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and consider it an office. That's the key. So we're

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01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:23.880
<v Speaker 1>going to take a short commercial break and allow our

1158
01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:28.079
<v Speaker 1>sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with

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<v Speaker 1>my penel discussing drones, UAPs and first contact. We'll be

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01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:36.680
<v Speaker 1>right back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh holy, nice to start brightly shining.

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01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Each the night, Oh the dear, say you spur.

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<v Speaker 6>Loan lay the world an error pine and.

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<v Speaker 1>To the and so fathy thou weary world rejoice. Our

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01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:31.640
<v Speaker 1>program today features panelists discussing drones, u aps, and first contact.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a small gallery I'll placed on the Earth

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01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:37.479
<v Speaker 1>Ancients Facebook page and you can see some of the

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01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:42.600
<v Speaker 1>sizes of these drones and also evidence of alien propulsion systems.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to move. I want to move on a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Uh Earlier, Greg made a reference to orbs,

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01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:55.199
<v Speaker 1>and I've spoken to Mark, doctor Mark a couple of

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01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:57.880
<v Speaker 1>times on this, and Mark, we brought brought this up

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01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:02.960
<v Speaker 1>when we began speaking on orbs, talking about dimensional beings,

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01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:08.479
<v Speaker 1>and orbs have been seen around drones, and it's been

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01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:13.159
<v Speaker 1>reported that when these drones come close to these orbs,

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01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:16.640
<v Speaker 1>they lose power and they actually fall out of the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you say to that, Michael, And what do

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01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:23.640
<v Speaker 1>you think that's an important consideration.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a great I don't know if it's a paper

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01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:30.760
<v Speaker 2>on its own, but Kevin Kanouth, who's at Sunny Albany,

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01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:35.000
<v Speaker 2>he's a physicist astrophysicist, has done a really good calculation

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01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:39.319
<v Speaker 2>on the using the idea that some UAP are powered

1183
01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:44.520
<v Speaker 2>using a really powerful electromagnetic field. And if that's the case,

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01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:49.680
<v Speaker 2>what he's shown that is that these UAP would disable

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01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:55.479
<v Speaker 2>not only electronics, but like regular internal combustion engines too

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01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:57.479
<v Speaker 2>because they would ionize the air in a way that

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01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:00.880
<v Speaker 2>would prevent combustion from taking place. Than once they left,

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01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:04.319
<v Speaker 2>the sort of ionization with the air would clear and

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01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:08.119
<v Speaker 2>the engines would be able to work. So that that

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01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:12.640
<v Speaker 2>sort of evidence might give us a little clue as

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01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:15.199
<v Speaker 2>to what's powering these things and how they work, and

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01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:19.319
<v Speaker 2>also like what kind of phenomenon they are, whether they're

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01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:22.760
<v Speaker 2>like just pure luminosity in some way, whether they are

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01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:27.520
<v Speaker 2>ionization themselves, or whether they're an object that's emitting an

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01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:32.279
<v Speaker 2>electromagnetic field or something. I think that's a really cool

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01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and empirical piece of evidence that we could do good science.

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<v Speaker 1>I only have I guess my problem with that is

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't have a physics to understand these orbs.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've seen some photographs in different publications that somewhat

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01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:53.000
<v Speaker 1>show close ups of these orbs, and they're very complex looking,

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01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:58.880
<v Speaker 1>almost cellular in some capacity. Are these ships? Are these

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01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:03.239
<v Speaker 1>are these intelligent? These we don't know? Mark, talk a

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01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:06.399
<v Speaker 1>little bit about your feeling on this topic.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean some some I believe that.

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01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:14.079
<v Speaker 4>I think they're called plasmoids or something, right, I mean,

1206
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:17.159
<v Speaker 4>they're called by a number of names. And again it's

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01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:20.640
<v Speaker 4>interesting because they're we're kind of ubiquitous.

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01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:22.720
<v Speaker 5>You find them, you can go.

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01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:25.720
<v Speaker 4>I I did a study on crop circles, and there's

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01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:29.960
<v Speaker 4>some really interesting sightings. Uh in fact of video that

1211
01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.119
<v Speaker 4>shows the formation of a crop circle, and there's a

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01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:35.439
<v Speaker 4>couple of words moving through a field and these things

1213
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:39.359
<v Speaker 4>just sort of take shape. Now again, you know a

1214
01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:41.720
<v Speaker 4>lot of people would say, oh, crop circles, that's that's

1215
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:44.319
<v Speaker 4>a lot of nonsense. But you know a lot of

1216
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:46.960
<v Speaker 4>them have been disproven, as you know, or proven to

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01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.239
<v Speaker 4>be hoaxes. But again there are some anomalies there. So

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01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:52.640
<v Speaker 4>again I think this is this is again a widespread

1219
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:55.960
<v Speaker 4>phenomenon that can also have been mistaken. It can be

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01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:59.960
<v Speaker 4>mistaken for like sprites or elves above thunderstorms, you know, space.

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01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:04.119
<v Speaker 4>I don't have seen similar things in lower Earth orbit,

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01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:07.119
<v Speaker 4>so you know, against it's another kind of phenomenon that

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01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:07.560
<v Speaker 4>needs to.

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01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:08.159
<v Speaker 5>Be sorted out.

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01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:11.840
<v Speaker 4>Some some you know, instantems may be prosaic, but others

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01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:14.840
<v Speaker 4>may be you know, maybe extraordinary, maybe something that we

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01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:15.640
<v Speaker 4>don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I don't know, Greg, Do you have any

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<v Speaker 1>feeling on on the orbs. Have there been sightings in

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01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:27.239
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey of of ORB like craft?

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01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:31.079
<v Speaker 3>There have been recently, but again I don't you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen any. I haven't gotten any videos from

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01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:38.960
<v Speaker 3>family or friends, so you just don't know. But I

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<v Speaker 3>know there was one by UH that's kind of making

1235
01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:44.600
<v Speaker 3>its winning around social media right now from UH from

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01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:50.199
<v Speaker 3>Matthew Nelson, the retired Air Force vet near Atlantic City,

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01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:54.840
<v Speaker 3>and it shows an ORB like object and there, I know,

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01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.800
<v Speaker 3>I've seen a couple other ones where it's not New

1239
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<v Speaker 3>Jersey but it's out Midwest where there you see the

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01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:02.239
<v Speaker 3>drone go up to it, get closer and then fall

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01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:06.279
<v Speaker 3>out of the sky. Seeing those videos, But yeah, I

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01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:11.560
<v Speaker 3>did I tell you guys about my sighting of an ORB. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So let me tell you about how I got interested

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01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:19.279
<v Speaker 3>in this topic. Okay, so two thousand and thirteen, Before that,

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01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:22.319
<v Speaker 3>I was a big skeptic. I was in college and

1246
01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:25.079
<v Speaker 3>there's a buddy of mine that I served with, and

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01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:28.960
<v Speaker 3>he was a huge UFO guy talking about roswell and

1248
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:31.760
<v Speaker 3>conspiracy theories and government cover ops and we used to

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<v Speaker 3>get in the lively debates about it. So I didn't

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01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:36.880
<v Speaker 3>believe him anyway. Twenty thirteen, me and my wife are

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01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.439
<v Speaker 3>driving down a rural road in New Jersey by our

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01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:42.760
<v Speaker 3>house and were going through like a wooded area and

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01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:45.840
<v Speaker 3>we come up to a straight line street for a

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01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:48.640
<v Speaker 3>back road and as we get up there, one hundred

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01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:51.840
<v Speaker 3>and fifty feet away from us to our left is

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01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:56.239
<v Speaker 3>an ORB size of a small school bus floating, hovering

1257
01:16:56.359 --> 01:16:59.640
<v Speaker 3>over the trees and the trees. This is interesting to

1258
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.239
<v Speaker 3>me out because I'd like studied it. The trees underneath

1259
01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:06.279
<v Speaker 3>were whipping around feverishly, and so we're driving in the

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01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:09.079
<v Speaker 3>same direction as this thing for like fifteen twenty seconds

1261
01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:13.039
<v Speaker 3>and it just it's literally driving parallel to us, and uh,

1262
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:15.720
<v Speaker 3>we're cursing. We're like, what the is that? You know,

1263
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:19.479
<v Speaker 3>and uh, it was it was mind blowing. So that's

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01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:22.600
<v Speaker 3>that's what got me into it. And when I saw

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01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:27.239
<v Speaker 3>that it definitely had some type of intelligence to it,

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01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:30.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, it seemed it I mean, it almost seemed

1267
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:36.600
<v Speaker 3>like a celestial event, like a micro black hole or something.

1268
01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:40.760
<v Speaker 3>But it seemed to move with purpose. So that that

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<v Speaker 3>that's why I got into the UFO and started like

1270
01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:46.159
<v Speaker 3>researching it, and uh, it's you know, I see the

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01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:52.000
<v Speaker 3>plasmoid conversation about sentient plasmoids sometimes there's papers on that.

1272
01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:53.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you guys haven't oi on that,

1273
01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:57.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, I lean to that though from my experience

1274
01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:01.239
<v Speaker 3>not being some like alien craft, you know, I think

1275
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:03.840
<v Speaker 3>of it as something else. I think it's it's a

1276
01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:08.239
<v Speaker 3>it's a different type of universal phenomena.

1277
01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:10.840
<v Speaker 5>Like a fourth kind of life. That's that's that's character.

1278
01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a fourth life, you know, or maybe even just

1279
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:17.840
<v Speaker 3>like like a connection to another universe or another parallel

1280
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:21.239
<v Speaker 3>dimensions something like that, like a way to observe our universe.

1281
01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:24.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure, but there seemed to be some intelligence

1282
01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:27.920
<v Speaker 3>behind it, and it definitely, uh, it was mind blowing.

1283
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's an eye one On that note, I'm

1284
01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:37.399
<v Speaker 1>gonna bring up another anomalist feature, and this is strange.

1285
01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:41.159
<v Speaker 1>Some people who have had some close encounters with these

1286
01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:46.199
<v Speaker 1>drones are reporting radiation like sickness. There's a woman who

1287
01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:49.960
<v Speaker 1>apparently was ill and I can't remember what state it was,

1288
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:53.840
<v Speaker 1>but she was in the proximity and I don't know

1289
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:57.399
<v Speaker 1>how close she was to this drone, but she had

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01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:01.279
<v Speaker 1>and others apparently in her group had what appeared to

1291
01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:07.039
<v Speaker 1>be radiation sickness of some kind. And I'm wondering if

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<v Speaker 1>any of you had any anything to say about that.

1293
01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:13.199
<v Speaker 3>I haven't really heard that myself.

1294
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, yeah, I don't know.

1295
01:19:17.119 --> 01:19:17.439
<v Speaker 7>I haven't.

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01:19:17.479 --> 01:19:25.399
<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard radiation sickness from drone encounters. I mean

1297
01:19:25.399 --> 01:19:27.079
<v Speaker 2>that would be where what would that mean? That would

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01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:33.199
<v Speaker 2>mean that there's some radioactive like really radioactive opponents.

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01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, there have been people who have had close encounters,

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01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:41.760
<v Speaker 1>who have touched the ships that have had what looked

1301
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:45.359
<v Speaker 1>like radiation burns. And we don't know if it's because

1302
01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:50.520
<v Speaker 1>the outer haul has a energy filled around it that

1303
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:56.600
<v Speaker 1>is tough on biology, but it could be something like that.

1304
01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:01.479
<v Speaker 1>So that's interesting. As we conclude, I want you all

1305
01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:04.479
<v Speaker 1>to kind of comment on some of the comments that

1306
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:09.399
<v Speaker 1>are coming up on the various news wires. One is

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01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:15.119
<v Speaker 1>that this is a psyops possibility where they are testing

1308
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the public's reaction to UAPs, and this is a considered

1309
01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:27.079
<v Speaker 1>effort to kind of do a test so that when

1310
01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:31.039
<v Speaker 1>we have the real event, they'll know more about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Greg, we'll hear from you, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't rule anything out until I have

1313
01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:39.880
<v Speaker 3>a reason to roll it out. I'll leave it on

1314
01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:44.439
<v Speaker 3>the table, you know. But I like to give likelihood

1315
01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:47.880
<v Speaker 3>to certain scenarios, So I would, you know, say that

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01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:51.079
<v Speaker 3>that's somewhat a possible scenario. I don't think it's the

1317
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:53.920
<v Speaker 3>most possible, but I haven't ruled it out yet, and

1318
01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:57.079
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, but

1319
01:20:57.319 --> 01:20:58.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's one of.

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01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:03.319
<v Speaker 7>The more likely scenarios personally, Okay, Michael, Yeah, that's a

1321
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:07.920
<v Speaker 7>that's a really bad scenario because it would be really legal,

1322
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:12.079
<v Speaker 7>seriously illegal, to terrorize the US public just to get

1323
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:12.520
<v Speaker 7>some data.

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01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:14.720
<v Speaker 2>It would also not be like very useful because we

1325
01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:17.800
<v Speaker 2>already have, you know, about seventy years of data about

1326
01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:20.960
<v Speaker 2>what the public does in response to UFOs. We've had

1327
01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:23.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of UFO sightings, and it would also be

1328
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:27.199
<v Speaker 2>a national security threat because what if the what if

1329
01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:30.479
<v Speaker 2>the answer is you terrorize the US and then like

1330
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:34.439
<v Speaker 2>a you know, a chaos ensues and we start burning

1331
01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:37.479
<v Speaker 2>things down, people die, Right, So if that's the case,

1332
01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:40.760
<v Speaker 2>it's another one of these versions of like a part

1333
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:44.800
<v Speaker 2>of the US government that's gone rogue and is defying

1334
01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:48.760
<v Speaker 2>its charter and is operating without congressional or civilian oversight.

1335
01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:51.840
<v Speaker 2>And that would be like kind of the the way

1336
01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:53.960
<v Speaker 2>that America goes down. So I really hope it's not

1337
01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:57.960
<v Speaker 2>that we shouldn't just blithely throw that possibility out there

1338
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:03.439
<v Speaker 2>without realizing that it has serious US awful consequences for America.

1339
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right about them going rogue without any oversight.

1340
01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:11.840
<v Speaker 1>That's a serious issue because that means they can do

1341
01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:15.840
<v Speaker 1>anything they feel they can do. Sky's a limit, uh,

1342
01:22:16.079 --> 01:22:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Mark any any comments on that?

1343
01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:21.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, orson Wells Radio broadcasts in theyde you know,

1344
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:24.399
<v Speaker 4>invaders from Mars. You know that was you know, a

1345
01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:28.239
<v Speaker 4>cheap way of maybe testing public reaction. This is kind

1346
01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:31.119
<v Speaker 4>of an expensive way and think about it. The technology

1347
01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:36.119
<v Speaker 4>that's the case. The technology they're using is probably indistinguishable

1348
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:39.399
<v Speaker 4>from the kind of technology they're they're trying to warn

1349
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:42.960
<v Speaker 4>us against. I mean, it's it's it's inexplicable, it's extraordinary technology.

1350
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:44.000
<v Speaker 5>Where did that come from?

1351
01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:47.079
<v Speaker 4>So it's I mean, it's just sort of that whole

1352
01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:50.039
<v Speaker 4>question is sort of problematic. If they were using you know,

1353
01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:53.119
<v Speaker 4>like just cheap drones or things that you know, drones

1354
01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:55.640
<v Speaker 4>and they put a saucer around it's something really you know,

1355
01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:59.840
<v Speaker 4>like really cheesy and you know, like really flaky like that, well, okay,

1356
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:02.600
<v Speaker 4>you know maybe, but you know, just a poorly executed

1357
01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:07.399
<v Speaker 4>syop campaign. But I mean, this is if this is

1358
01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:11.439
<v Speaker 4>the case, is being executed with you know, extraordinary technology,

1359
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:15.000
<v Speaker 4>where did that come from? So sort of it doesn't

1360
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:18.319
<v Speaker 4>really it doesn't really answer the question in my mind,

1361
01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:23.079
<v Speaker 4>because it's the technology that we're it's the phenomenon itself

1362
01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:26.399
<v Speaker 4>that is, like, you know, what are they?

1363
01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:28.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1364
01:23:28.239 --> 01:23:30.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm just kind of losing it in terms of what

1365
01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:32.000
<v Speaker 4>would the point be.

1366
01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:34.680
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was asking about the specifically about the

1367
01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:37.600
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey drones, and in that case, I haven't seen

1368
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:40.720
<v Speaker 2>anything that makes me think that they are extraordinary technologies.

1369
01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:44.079
<v Speaker 1>I'll throw that out to the whole country or actually earthwise,

1370
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:47.399
<v Speaker 1>if it's psyops operations, you're.

1371
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Just UAP all uf here or are kind of siops

1372
01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:50.359
<v Speaker 2>the idea.

1373
01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I did start off with the United

1374
01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:55.239
<v Speaker 1>States because this is what we're focusing on for this program,

1375
01:23:56.039 --> 01:24:00.199
<v Speaker 1>but there's other countries that are reporting similar types of

1376
01:24:01.079 --> 01:24:10.920
<v Speaker 1>sightings and they're also dealing with unusual craft. So but well,

1377
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, one of my thoughts on this whole thing

1378
01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:18.479
<v Speaker 1>is if the days of scrambling at fifteens at fourteens

1379
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:23.319
<v Speaker 1>to intercept the UFO are over and these drones are

1380
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:27.000
<v Speaker 1>now the new response. Is it possible that they are

1381
01:24:27.079 --> 01:24:31.880
<v Speaker 1>responding to a UFO UAP in a certain area and

1382
01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:38.640
<v Speaker 1>immediately flooding these areas with drones to analyze them, and

1383
01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:43.199
<v Speaker 1>we're getting confused as to which is the alien craft

1384
01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:47.439
<v Speaker 1>and which is the UAP. It seems to me, especially

1385
01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:50.000
<v Speaker 1>where you are greg, there's so many of these drones

1386
01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:53.920
<v Speaker 1>that are seen in these waves. Are they going are

1387
01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>they being ordered to go to a site to inspect

1388
01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:02.039
<v Speaker 1>a UAP UFO and this is the problem.

1389
01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:06.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So you know, I that scenario is more likely

1390
01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:08.000
<v Speaker 3>than the last one we discussed. For me, you know,

1391
01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:10.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm still not sure if that's the case, But that's

1392
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:15.920
<v Speaker 3>definitely a more likely scenario. But to Michael and Mark's point,

1393
01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:20.720
<v Speaker 3>there does seem to be some confusion about whether these

1394
01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:24.520
<v Speaker 3>are truly anomalous, you know, because most of the reporting

1395
01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:30.520
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have them being truly anomalous. But at the same time,

1396
01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:36.399
<v Speaker 3>there's such a similarity between this case and other ones

1397
01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:38.920
<v Speaker 3>that have happened in recent years where it seemed like

1398
01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:43.760
<v Speaker 3>there was truly anomalous behaviors, like from Langley and Colorado.

1399
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:48.439
<v Speaker 3>So it's a very confusing situation for me because, yeah,

1400
01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:51.520
<v Speaker 3>most of the technology doesn't seem very far out there.

1401
01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:53.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there are some verbs, who knows if those

1402
01:25:53.319 --> 01:25:56.960
<v Speaker 3>are real or not, but most of the technology doesn't

1403
01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:00.359
<v Speaker 3>seem like it's a UAP next level technology. So I

1404
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:02.680
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to throw that distinction out there because I

1405
01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:04.880
<v Speaker 3>do think that's part of the confusion that everybody's dealing with,

1406
01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:07.119
<v Speaker 3>and why I would like to see the government kind

1407
01:26:07.119 --> 01:26:10.560
<v Speaker 3>of more be more open and transparent about UAP and

1408
01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:12.640
<v Speaker 3>this issue, so that we can kind of say, no, no,

1409
01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:15.720
<v Speaker 3>this isn't the technology that you know, reps were saying

1410
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:17.520
<v Speaker 3>our fifty two one hundred years ahead of us, or

1411
01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:19.920
<v Speaker 3>John Ratcliffe was saying, you know, we don't have the

1412
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:22.680
<v Speaker 3>capability to defend it against It's not that it's a

1413
01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:26.279
<v Speaker 3>different type of UAP. But yeah, So to answer your

1414
01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:29.319
<v Speaker 3>actual question, though, I do think that that situation where

1415
01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:31.720
<v Speaker 3>there might be a UAP and then the place gets

1416
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:34.319
<v Speaker 3>flooded with drones as a response to it, I do

1417
01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:37.560
<v Speaker 3>see that being as a possibility in this situation and

1418
01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:38.760
<v Speaker 3>in the future going forward.

1419
01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:45.039
<v Speaker 1>All right, here's one last one for each of you.

1420
01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:50.079
<v Speaker 1>We've been talking about what we think is military or

1421
01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:55.159
<v Speaker 1>commercial craft if it is off world. Are we ready

1422
01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>for this? Are we ready for accepting that we are

1423
01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>part of a brotherhood of planets and we were being

1424
01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:11.159
<v Speaker 1>welcomed in by whatever means we're seen to begin acknowledging

1425
01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:12.039
<v Speaker 1>that we're not alone.

1426
01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Michael, No, we're not ready, But it's exactly what we need,

1427
01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:20.760
<v Speaker 2>is my answer. I think that it would disturb a

1428
01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:25.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of the basic conceptions that make up our worldview,

1429
01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>at least in the West and probably in all all

1430
01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:30.479
<v Speaker 2>sorts of parts of the world that are really technologically advanced,

1431
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:34.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, by human history standards. No, it would, it

1432
01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:36.359
<v Speaker 2>would totally upset that. I don't think that our economic

1433
01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>system would know how to adjust. I don't think our

1434
01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:44.439
<v Speaker 2>scientific theories about the world, are theories of political power

1435
01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>and governance, would be ready for it. But all of

1436
01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:52.479
<v Speaker 2>those systems are broken. They're all they're all sort of

1437
01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:57.800
<v Speaker 2>irretrievably sick. And maybe this is the poison that would

1438
01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:01.159
<v Speaker 2>cure us, or at least would shake us out of

1439
01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:05.520
<v Speaker 2>the dream of this worldview that we've fallen into where

1440
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:07.920
<v Speaker 2>we think that we're you know, that science is going

1441
01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.840
<v Speaker 2>to fix everything, that we've dominated the universe, that we

1442
01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:13.399
<v Speaker 2>understand everything, we're on the cusp of just like cracking

1443
01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:15.880
<v Speaker 2>all the codes and figuring it out, and then we'll

1444
01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:19.760
<v Speaker 2>be able to exploit all of reality for purposes of

1445
01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:23.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, economic production or whatever. That is what needs

1446
01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:26.279
<v Speaker 2>to be fixed. So I really, I really hope that no,

1447
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:28.439
<v Speaker 2>we're not ready, but that it is the truth. But

1448
01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:30.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it is the truth. I don't think

1449
01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that these are I like.

1450
01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Your scenario though, Michael, because you're like, everything's kind of

1451
01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:37.159
<v Speaker 1>broken right now, in disarray. Here in the United States,

1452
01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:39.760
<v Speaker 1>We've got a lot of systems that are beginning to fail.

1453
01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>We're a young country and other countries are also having

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<v Speaker 1>their issues. Is this a time when are the powers

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<v Speaker 1>it be the off world types are saying, maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>need to help, or maybe we this is what we

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01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:57.199
<v Speaker 1>had planned all along. Earth falls into this phase and

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01:28:57.960 --> 01:29:02.399
<v Speaker 1>we come and we re educate, or we we help

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01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:06.600
<v Speaker 1>with an evolutionary cycle. So interesting thoughts, Greg, What do

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<v Speaker 1>you say?

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<v Speaker 3>I like to think of a Plato's cave allegory, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>where the prisoners weren't ready to be free from the cave.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when they went out, it was a different

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<v Speaker 3>reality to them. You know, they weren't prepared, they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to go out. And I think that's where we

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<v Speaker 3>are right now, like we are not ready. You can't

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<v Speaker 3>be ready for it. You don't know what to expect.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the end, if anything like that did occur,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it would be for the benefit long term

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<v Speaker 3>for humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm okay, Mark, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, we're we're very heterogeneous, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think some would welcome it, some would be extremely fearful,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think the vast majority nowadays probably would be like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, who cares? I mean, I hate to be cynical,

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01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:59.159
<v Speaker 4>but a lot of people are so immersed in technology

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<v Speaker 4>and their devices in just what's going on in their

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01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:07.199
<v Speaker 4>lives that you know, how does how do the people

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<v Speaker 4>just aren't interested in the big questions anymore?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, where do we come from? Nature of life?

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<v Speaker 4>Are we alone in the universe? So would it be

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<v Speaker 4>totally disruptive? I kind of agree with Mike. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it probably would wreck hapick to the financial institutions, but maybe,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, maybe it gets rid of the banks, but

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<v Speaker 4>big points in the cryptocurrencies they survive. Who knows, So

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<v Speaker 4>it could be it could be a good thing, uh

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<v Speaker 4>penning it where you sit on that, But I think it'd.

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<v Speaker 5>Be kind of a mixed bag clip.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I personally think this is a wake up call,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it does turn out to be military or

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01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>private contractors flying their drones without permission and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>harrowing situations, uh whatever. But if this is some form

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<v Speaker 1>of communication from off world, I welcome it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's time that we take it to the

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<v Speaker 1>next level where we have necessarily government sponsored disclosure, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it has to go beyond the government to individuals

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<v Speaker 1>in the private sector, be it whole states of people

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<v Speaker 1>or various groups getting an understanding that we're not alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think we need to move beyond where we

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<v Speaker 1>are right now. On an evolutionary pattern and this could

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<v Speaker 1>be some form of evolution where we and I've always

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<v Speaker 1>said this, when we know we're not alone, we immediately

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01:31:42.399 --> 01:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>evolve because we know we are not the only beings around.

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<v Speaker 1>There's higher intelligences obviously they're in these crafts, so forth

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01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and so on. We are forced to evolve. And if

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<v Speaker 1>that is at the demise of religion, unfortunately, I think

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01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:04.399
<v Speaker 1>that's just part of our evolution. And so that's my feeling. Uh, Greg, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mark, thank you for joining me. I want to

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01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:11.159
<v Speaker 1>give everyone, because this is a podcast, we want everyone

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01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>to have access to you individually. Give us your contact information. Greg,

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01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>won't you give us your contact details?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure?

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<v Speaker 3>You go to Greg Goins GEO I N S unidentified

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<v Speaker 3>dot com or email me at Gregorytgoins at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for having me, Cliff, I really

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Thanks Michael, Yeah, thank you for being for

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01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:39.439
<v Speaker 2>letting me be here. This is a fantastic conversation. You

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01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>can reach out to me if you want to talk

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01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:42.159
<v Speaker 2>to me, if you want me to talk to you.

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01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:45.880
<v Speaker 2>And Michael Glasson at me dot com. That's Michael G.

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<v Speaker 6>L A W.

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<v Speaker 2>S O.

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<v Speaker 1>N at m E dot com And when is the

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<v Speaker 1>Anomalous Review air? Michael, we want to hear about that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we put out an episode every other Tuesday if

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01:32:56.479 --> 01:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>if possible. I mean holidays are in the way right now,

1529
01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:03.279
<v Speaker 2>but every every platform and on YouTube, so it's just

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01:33:03.359 --> 01:33:05.960
<v Speaker 2>the Anomalous Review. It's the official podcast of the Scientific

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01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Coalition for you AP studies, and you can email me

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01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:11.520
<v Speaker 2>about that too if you're if you're interested in finding

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<v Speaker 2>out more.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic, Mark Carlotto.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna do shameless self promotion.

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<v Speaker 4>This is my non in this world and it's my

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01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:25.640
<v Speaker 4>analysis of UFO phenomenon over the last thirty forty years,

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<v Speaker 4>going back the sixties, and you can contact me at

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<v Speaker 4>Markcarlatto dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic guys. I really appreciate your time. I get a

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01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:39.239
<v Speaker 1>little I feel a little warmer now that we've talked,

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01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:42.399
<v Speaker 1>and I kind of have a sense of these these

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01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:48.359
<v Speaker 1>drone phenomenon Personally. I hope there are UFOs u aps myself,

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01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>but it remains it be decided. So Hey, happy holidays

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<v Speaker 1>to each of you, and thanks for joining me.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks thanks talking to you guys. Take care.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you got some clarity on the on the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>I as I'm re listening to this, the interviews of

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01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:17.399
<v Speaker 1>the panel participants, we get some we get some daylight,

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01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>but I think we also because we don't know the

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01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:28.239
<v Speaker 1>truth behind the these waves. I think we're still left

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01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:34.199
<v Speaker 1>with lots of questions. And again, we are at a

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<v Speaker 1>strange type time period governmentally, because we are not getting

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<v Speaker 1>any satisfaction from government agencies. And that is for me,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the first I fully expected FAA, FBI, Pentagon, military,

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01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:59.479
<v Speaker 1>even the White House to say something more substantial than

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01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>don't worry. I mean, really, just to say don't worry

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01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:15.600
<v Speaker 1>seems dis genuine. It seems very unlike our government to respond,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes me think things are changing. Things are changing,

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01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily for the better. So what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>when we do have the identification of an alien craft?

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<v Speaker 1>How are we going to react to that?

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<v Speaker 6>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>We've had many discussions in the past on the Brookies

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<v Speaker 1>Institute Document of First Contact. We've had this last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years, the NASA going to various theologians around the

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<v Speaker 1>world to ask them kind of ask backwards way of

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01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:53.760
<v Speaker 1>reviewing how people react. But they ask these guys, these

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01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>priests and pastors and rabbis, how are you going to

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01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:03.560
<v Speaker 1>react to the first contact? And most of them said,

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01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:08.359
<v Speaker 1>or are very uncomfortable, because most advanced cultures are advanced

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<v Speaker 1>civilizations are going to look at religion probably and go,

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01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:14.840
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing? You know it's man made? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps they'll show us that there is a creator in

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<v Speaker 1>some form of tapping the a kashak record, And I

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<v Speaker 1>fully expect a kashk record which will probably be probably

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<v Speaker 1>be defined as some other level of reality, a reality

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01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:40.359
<v Speaker 1>that they are alien brethren can access more readily. I

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<v Speaker 1>fully expect them to go, hey, well, we don't call

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<v Speaker 1>it the akashik, we call it the whatever. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a source of information, it's a source of

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01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:55.920
<v Speaker 1>a source of confirmation. And there may be much much

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<v Speaker 1>deeper levels to this thing we call the Acajuk records.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we under stand so lost to look forward to.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope in my lifetime we do have some form

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<v Speaker 1>of contact, some form of clarification that we're not all

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<v Speaker 1>alone in our cosmos. I mean, I know for a

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01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:19.359
<v Speaker 1>fact that the Maya knew and regularly had contact with

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<v Speaker 1>off world beings. It's thought that the early Dynastic Egyptians

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<v Speaker 1>had the same kind of communication. And we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about the Chinese, we don't know about the other ancient cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a fascinating thought. I hope you enjoyed that. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a spot left on our Rappahannui tour. It's

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<v Speaker 1>March fifty to the twenty third. We all meet in Santiago, Chile,

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01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and then we all get on a plane and fly

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<v Speaker 1>to Easter Island. Our host is doctor Edwin Barnhardt, who's

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<v Speaker 1>been there a number of times and has surveyed the island,

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01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:03.720
<v Speaker 1>and we will follow his survey path and really see

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<v Speaker 1>some unusual sites when we're there with him. If you

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<v Speaker 1>like to learn more about it, go to Earthancients dot

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<v Speaker 1>com forward slash tour, look for the banner, click on it.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll see the full itinerary as well as information. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have any information. If you have any questions whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>so me an email, send it to Earth Ancients the

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<v Speaker 1>number four the letter you at gmail dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get right back to you. I mean, we probably

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01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>can squeeze another person into make twenty one, but Ed

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<v Speaker 1>was telling me the other day he prefers twenty. That's

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<v Speaker 1>one person. So if you have the adventure Bug going

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<v Speaker 1>to join us twenty people and a very intimate tour

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<v Speaker 1>with doctor Edwin Bonhardt. Join us. Go to Earth Ancients

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<v Speaker 1>you're interested register otherwise let me know in an email

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<v Speaker 1>if you have any questions. It's gonna be a last

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<v Speaker 1>all right, that's it for this program. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>thank my panel is today, Greg going coming to us

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01:39:08.399 --> 01:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>from New Jersey, Michael Glassan coming to us from South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>and doctor Mark Carlato coming to us from the East Coast.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, thank you to Gail Tour, Mark Foster and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock Merry

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas and we will see you and we'll see you

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<v Speaker 1>after Christmas next week.

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<v Speaker 6>Cheers, back back, back and dick dock bock and b

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<v Speaker 6>and dock and bock bock and buck bangle b a

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<v Speaker 6>back of dick and back and back and back and

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<v Speaker 6>back and back and back and bock a bock and

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<v Speaker 6>pock a peck and back a back and back and

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<v Speaker 6>back and back a back and back and back and

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<v Speaker 6>b